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Welcome to the California Public Utilities Commission

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voting meeting on this day, Thursday, August 10th,

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2023. Today's call is being recorded if you have any

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objections. You may disconnect at this time. President

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Reynold. You may begin. Good morning, everyone and

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welcome to the California Public Utilities Commission

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I'm calling this meeting of August 10th 2023 public

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agenda number 3531. To order, we need to start by establishing

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a quorum and I will note that commissioner Douglas

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is necessarily absent today. Um And so we will not

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be calling her name for the roll call agenda clerk

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Could you please call the roll? Commissioner John Reynolds

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Commissioner,

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Commissioner

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President Alice Reynolds, we do have a quorum. So today

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to speak about open proceedings. All speakers will

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have one minute to speak. You will hear a bell sound

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when your time is up. Please be mindful of other speakers

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waiting to speak and keep to your allotted time. We

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really do want to get to everybody today. So if there

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are a large number of people waiting to speak again

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the time um may be changed to accommodate all colors

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But um it given the number of people today, I think

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we'll we'll stick with one minute. Um And as a reminder

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please speak clearly and slowly to accommodate accommodate

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Spanish interpreters. So, with that guidance in mind

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I welcome today's speakers. Um I am going to call the

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names of the speakers. And what I'll do is I'll call

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three names so that you'll know that you're coming

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up in the queue. And so I'll ask the first person to

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come forward and then the other two to either queue

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up or just get ready to approach the podium. Um So

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the first three speakers are um, Brett Bertolucci,

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Adam Alan Shore and Carol Brownson. So I'll ask, um

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Mr Be Berto to approach the podium right down here

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Hi, I'm Robert to, I'm a software engineer and I'm

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very concerned by the lack of regulation around A V

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software in any other industry where software controls

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dangerous mechanical devices, there's significant regulation

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to make sure that software is safe. We regulate autopilot

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software and airplanes. The commission knows that we

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regulate the software, controlling power plants with

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A vs. We have none of these assurances. We don't know

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how they are deploying their new software. We don't

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know how thoroughly it's being tested or in what scenarios

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we don't know what kind of bugs they're finding. These

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are all basics that need to be covered before they

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are allowed to expand. Cars can be extremely dangerous

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and it's negligent to expand before we have made sure

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that the software is safe. Expansion is a disaster

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waiting to happen. I urge the commission to vote. No

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Thank you.

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Thank you. And next we have Alan Shore.

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I am here to read a statement. Is that too loud? I'm

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sorry. I am here to read a statement by Doctor Sandra

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Ross of Mill Valley who is unable to attend due to

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an illness concerning the possibility of retirement

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of copper land landlines. She states I need the safety

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and reliability of wired equipment. It is a matter

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of survival in the hills of Marin County where wildfires

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can happen quickly. As a volunteer fireman of 15 years

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I need to send emergency calls. I cannot hear people

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when a cell phone is in use. Exposure to Wi Fi puts

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my blood pressure up to dangerous levels. I cannot

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use any wireless Wi Fi or smart technology without

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actually risking my life. My position on the County

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Health Commission also requires

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there is also considerable rigorous scientific evidence

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that microwave radiation can damage DNA. It is foolish

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Therefore to decommission copper landlines today, when

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future federal mandates may require that they be redeployed

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causing unnecessary costs in the future. Thank you

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Carol Brownson is next.

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Thank you

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on the.

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Ok. Take your time. We won't start until you're organized

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Are you ready? Ok. Uh My name is Carol Brownson and

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I oppose expanding the use of A vs on the streets of

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San Francisco at this time for three reasons. Uh First

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one might mistake me for a small dog and just run over

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me. Second, I've already had a worrying interaction

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with one. I was entering a crosswalk with the green

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light. I looked carefully in all directions and abruptly

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an empty cruise a turned right in front of me and went

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on its way third, I sometimes take taxis particularly

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to the airport. I have luggage and the taxi driver

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helps with folding up my mobility scooter and loading

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it in the trunk. Once I was going to sfo alone to

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meet my husband on the east coast, excuse me, the taxi

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driver took care of storing my luggage and loading

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my mobility scooter and then setting it up again at

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sfo making sure I was on it safely. He was also a

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very good driver. He even warned me we'd have to stop

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that interesting conversation when he got on the freeway

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because he had to watch those rapid drivers. Thank

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you. Thank you. And the next three speakers are David

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Friedlander, Holm Ruth Malone and Paul Wermer.

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Good morning commissioners. I'm here to ask you to

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oppose the motion to allow more A vs on our streets

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Listen to what these two companies are telling you

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They don't have the monitoring data up to the standards

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that you asked for. They don't have the data that show

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clearly much of anything other than what they want

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to show. I come here with data on citizen reports of

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A VS acting dangerously between the beginning of this

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month and the beginning of your Tuesday meeting there

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have been 37 reports since the beginning of Tuesday's

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meeting. There have been 10 more reports including

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one involving blocking the N Juda Muni Light rail for

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a rough average of 30 per week. No matter what they

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tell you, it's only a matter of time until an occupant

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is put at extreme risk by one of their cars. The very

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evening of the last meeting, a crew's car stopped for

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three minutes almost between an active fire truck and

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a police car monitoring that scene. Imagine if a driver

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did that, these cars are not ready for prime time,

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they they are here because at the time of the automobile

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is coming to a close and the companies are engaged

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in a desperate attempt to stay relevant and profitable

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stop them. You have the power and responsibility to

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do so. Thank you. Thank you,

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MS Malone is next.

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I strongly oppose the authorization, the expanded authorization

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of autonomous cars in San Francisco. Contrary to what

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a spokesperson was quoted as saying, these cars have

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not gone unnoticed as they cruise around and around

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and around and around with nobody in them. The future

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of cities is not cars, no matter what kind of cars

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they are, the future of cities is expanded and well

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connected public transit and active transportation

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My husband and I are seniors e bikes have been transformational

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for us. I'm not denying that there is a need occasionally

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for taxicabs, but we do not need thousands more cars

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on our streets. We don't need them and we don't want

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them finally in closing. I hope that those with recent

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ties to the companies under discussion here will recuse

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themselves from voting on this matter. Thank you. Thank

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you. The next speaker is Paul Wermer.

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Uh Good morning Commissioners. My name is Paul Wermer

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Uh I too urge you to oppose, uh or reject this proposal

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I strongly oppose the A VS uh for several reasons.

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Most significant, they discriminate, they discriminate

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significantly against anyone who does not have credit

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cards or paypal or Venmo, anyone who is unbanked, anyone

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who relies on cash. So where will they get service

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Uh I, they discriminate against people who cannot use

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um, digital devices. My father at age 44 lost taxi

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cab service about 2015 when Uber displaced the available

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taxis in Providence, Rhode Island, the service went

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away and instead of having freedom, he was trapped

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because he could not use the service because he could

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not use the cell phone. This is planned discrimination

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against a vulnerable population of many types. Thank

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you.

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Thank you. The next three speakers are Marcelo Fana

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Charles Minster and Lana Nieves.

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Good morning. My name is actually Marcelo Fonseca and

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uh I am a career cab driver based on all the incidents

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reported so far, especially from the San Francisco

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Fire Department. It's very clear that Wman crew's technology

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is premature. It's not ready for prime time if you

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allow them to operate full time and deploy an unlimited

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number of vehicles before their technology is fully

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developed. The problems they have caused can only get

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worse. So I urge you to put the brakes on. I urge

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you for a no vote. There's no need to rush. Uh I

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believe in technology. I know someday it will be ready

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but at the moment when cruz technology is not ready

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for prime time. Thank you. Thank you,

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Mr Minster.

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Uh uh I speak as an advocate for a workers' government

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The only way out of this situation we're in now, the

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billionaires are calling the shots in this country

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and around the world. They're, they're providing the

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money to build these uh Robo cars and Robo buses that

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are already testing over in the uh uh Treasure Island

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They want to eliminate the human being from the productive

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wealth

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as they're doing in Hollywood and anywhere else they

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can use A I and for us to allow this to continue

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means we're happy with having human beings doing nothing

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trying to scrape by and make a living. Go on the dole

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They can't find a way be homeless like we have a homeless

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society in this city. So uh I'm here as a working man

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Want to put a foot down on this process. Thank you

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Thank you. The next speaker is Lana Nieves.

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Good morning. My name is Lana Nevis. I'm a person with

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a Disability. I'm the executive director of the Independent

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Living Resource Center of San Francisco. My organization's

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mission revolves around every person's right to live

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as independently as they so choose and to work towards

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a fully accessible community for all. The following

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is from a New York Times article entitled Lunacy in

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England. And it's a quote, there is not the slightest

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doubt that engaging in the use of this modern form

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of transportation if persisted in leads to weakness

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of mind. General lunacy and homicidal mania. This quote

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from 18 94 isn't about autonomous vehicles but about

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the dangers of bicycle riding, which was thought to

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have been a have a devastating effect on the nervous

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system. Fear of the new untried and misunderstood has

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always been with us. When it comes to emerging technologies

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There will always be those who instead of embracing

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progress, choose to dig their heels in and stick their

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heads in the sand as if their pet can or will stop

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progress. It didn't work with bicycles, it won't work

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with the we're here to talk about for those of us who

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are part of the disability community, autonomous vehicle

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technology represents a future with greater independence

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the ability to go where we want to go when we want

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to go and to do so on our own without having to

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get into a car with a complete stranger, are autonomous

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vehicles fully accessible, not yet, but they will be

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and probably sooner than most people think, especially

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if the C PC makes it mandatory that any and all A

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V developers in California present a robust accessibility

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plan, provide parallel service to people with physical

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disabilities and truly accessible A vs are possible

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and that they fully engage members of the disability

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community in their accessibility efforts. In the meantime

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it's imperative that instead of being like the folks

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who believe that bicycle riding would lead to homicidal

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mania. We let cooler heads prevail A V. Technology

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represents progress, the promise of safer streets.

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And I'm gonna ask you to wrap up. OK. Thank you. The

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literal translation of the word progress is to go forward

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So go forward today instead of backwards, choose progress

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Thank you.

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All right. The next uh speaker is Ian Smith and then

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after that, we have Brent Ritz and Michael Martinez

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So Mr Smith is next

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is Mr Smith here, Ian Smith.

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Oh, ok.

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Do we need? Yeah,

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hi, I'm Ian Smith. I'm here to talk about the uh the

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resolutions on the on the agenda. Um I see a lot of

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potential in these technologies for the disability

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community. I see a lot of potentials for independence

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as somebody just talked about. And my concern is that

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we don't yet have an agreement on what accessibility

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looks like for our community. We don't yet have vehicles

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on the road or even in pilot programs that serve our

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community's needs. And I'm asking that the CPC not

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only vote no on these items today, but also work to

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establish standards that ensure access in the future

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both on the theater level. How do folks like myself

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who are full time wheelchair users enter and use and

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exit these vehicles safely? But also in terms of equivalence

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in hours of service, service areas, response times

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All this is something that's missing right now and

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this is a great opportunity to solve that problem,

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but we should not let it pass up just because the companies

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in question argue this is going to someday be wonderful

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for the disability community. It's not here yet. Thank

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you.

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Our next speaker is Brent Ritz.

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Hi, good day ad D contractor. I've actually already

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reported information to the state Department as well

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as the anti trust unit of the Department of Justice

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I don't think you have jurisdiction on this issue.

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Both of these are actually Saudi backed. So Madi

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Fund is probably about 71% owned by the Saudi government

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At this point, Uber technology is distributing through

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Waymo. They're also backed by the Saudis. They just

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want to burn fuel. You saw so desperate because this

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one is down 60% that they're trying to do their arm

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transaction or IP O in the UK to avoid regulators.

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And of course, they did a deal with intel and held

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back by Google. Funny how that happens. Coincidently

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also this month is labor reform. The president refers

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to this as the American Jobs Plan. So Kamala Harris

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which is how you pronounce it. And then Speaker Pelosi

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authored the Pro Act. This is actually going to be

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up for the Department of Labor this month and rule

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making. I would ask you to defer to uh

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and so you can actually do that. Yeah, so certainly

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it's not in line with our national agenda at this point

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Thank you. Thank you. Our next speaker is Michael Martinez

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Jesus Christ. Here we are again, San Francisco about

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to have four people make a decision on whether or not

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the city is going to be pimped out by yet another couple

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of large tech companies so that all their employees

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here today wearing yellow shirts might get to cash

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out their stock options. That was part of their on

00:23:59.969 --> 00:24:03.549
boarding at Waymo as employees. They're over here talking

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about safety trotting out blind people with dogs and

00:24:07.509 --> 00:24:10.338
the very elderly and so forth and so on. But yet in

00:24:10.348 --> 00:24:12.640
order to even get in one of their cars, you literally

00:24:12.650 --> 00:24:15.068
have to sign something that says that if you die in

00:24:15.078 --> 00:24:17.709
one of them,

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you can't sue your family, can't sue, you can't sue

00:24:20.509 --> 00:24:24.160
anybody, anybody, anybody. So when all of these little

00:24:24.170 --> 00:24:27.400
kids and the tech bros and the tech girls come up here

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and say this is about 50. Really? I'm like, but you

00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:34.969
just have to sign your life away to use it and know

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you four are about to make a decision as to whether

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or not you're going to let them run Rams shad. Oh,

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and by the way, the original mayoral Pimp Willie Brown

00:24:44.549 --> 00:24:49.598
he's actually on Cruz's payroll grease and holes around

00:24:49.608 --> 00:24:56.660
here. You guys aren't stupid. Don't be stupid. Thank

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you. The next three speakers are George Jenko. Matthew

00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:08.328
Sutter and Evelyn Ingle. Mr Jenko. Uh, good morning

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Uh, commissioners. I have a somewhat different tone

00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:12.779
to take. Uh, but it's nice to have this opportunity

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to speak. Um My name is George an, I'm an orthopedic

00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:19.000
surgeon. I have been practicing in San Francisco and

00:25:19.009 --> 00:25:22.309
serving our citizens for over 30 years. I'm also an

00:25:22.318 --> 00:25:26.410
avid bicycle rider and an enthusiastic Waymo rider

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Hoping that you'll see the good side of this technology

00:25:29.170 --> 00:25:32.868
as a physician and as a surgeon, I treat, I treat many

00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.199
patients who are, whose injuries are the consequences

00:25:36.209 --> 00:25:39.799
of distracted drivers, impaired drivers, angry drivers

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road rage and the like I have operated on citizens

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affected by these instances of road rage and preventable

00:25:45.890 --> 00:25:48.969
human error with often devastating injuries and too

00:25:48.979 --> 00:25:51.670
often patients who don't make it to my operating room

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because they have been killed by distracted drivers

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or road rage. I also cycle all over our city and always

00:25:58.108 --> 00:26:01.779
have to avoid driving. I come, I'm a defensive cyclist

00:26:01.789 --> 00:26:05.739
and I see how these ad vehicles behave, how they respond

00:26:05.779 --> 00:26:08.459
and I trust them much more than distracted drivers

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or angry drivers. I see this as an eventual improvement

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Finally, quickly as a father of three adult daughters

00:26:15.848 --> 00:26:19.920
who have had unwelcomed advances by drivers, no such

00:26:19.930 --> 00:26:22.420
no such inappropriate behavior will ever be incurred

00:26:22.430 --> 00:26:25.549
by autonomous vehicles. I encourage the panel to please

00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:28.930
embrace this technology that our city and region have

00:26:28.939 --> 00:26:32.500
long been renowned for. Thank you for your time. Thank

00:26:32.509 --> 00:26:37.759
you. The next speaker is Matthew Sutter. Good afternoon

00:26:37.769 --> 00:26:40.160
My name is Matthew Sutter. I'm a cab driver in San

00:26:40.170 --> 00:26:44.939
Francisco. 31 years. I'm urging you to vote. No, I'm

00:26:44.949 --> 00:26:48.588
all about technology but this is not ready guys. We

00:26:48.598 --> 00:26:51.459
heard the first responders the other day and we saw

00:26:51.469 --> 00:26:55.160
the charts. This is a danger to the citizens of San

00:26:55.170 --> 00:26:59.549
Francisco. We cannot pass this through today. It is

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definitely not ready. And we are talking about 400

00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.660
cars that aren't all in operation and they're doing

00:27:07.670 --> 00:27:10.469
their test out in the sunset in Richmond where we don't

00:27:10.479 --> 00:27:14.719
have all these people, all these cars handicapped people

00:27:14.930 --> 00:27:18.769
We have wheelchairs and what happens when they stall

00:27:18.779 --> 00:27:22.039
Why don't we tow them? Why don't we tell the MTA if

00:27:22.049 --> 00:27:26.259
there's a car that is abandoned and a fire engine comes

00:27:26.269 --> 00:27:30.289
up, they tow it. If a car stalls, you must tow it

00:27:30.299 --> 00:27:33.180
you bring money into San Francisco. Let's stop jing

00:27:33.189 --> 00:27:37.439
these tech companies, money guys. It is time to bring

00:27:37.449 --> 00:27:41.049
money into San Francisco. We see the conventions we've

00:27:41.059 --> 00:27:45.828
been losing. We are in desperate need of people. Coming

00:27:45.838 --> 00:27:48.858
to San Francisco. You're going to take away jobs with

00:27:48.868 --> 00:27:53.130
this thing. You have to vote. No, today it is not ready

00:27:53.709 --> 00:27:57.430
Nor will it be ready any time soon? The technology

00:27:57.439 --> 00:28:01.078
and the communication between the first responders

00:28:01.088 --> 00:28:06.630
and the AV cars is zero. The chart showed it every

00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:10.640
month the incidents are going up. How can you vote

00:28:10.650 --> 00:28:15.239
Yes. Those incidents must go down before you vote.

00:28:15.250 --> 00:28:19.118
Yes. Thank you.

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The next speaker is Evelyn Ingle.

00:28:27.309 --> 00:28:30.130
Good morning. My name is Evelyn Ingle. I've lived in

00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:34.078
San Francisco since 1978. I spent many years working

00:28:34.088 --> 00:28:36.939
in the medical device industry and I've also driven

00:28:36.949 --> 00:28:40.150
a taxi and I'm very familiar there. Therefore, with

00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:44.088
regulated industries on a very broad spectrum. I can't

00:28:44.098 --> 00:28:47.709
imagine uh, a manufacturer of a sophisticated medical

00:28:47.719 --> 00:28:52.588
device or a driver of a taxi self certifying that their

00:28:52.598 --> 00:28:56.009
technology or service is safe. I really ask you to

00:28:56.019 --> 00:28:59.309
delay this vote or vote. No, until you have a more

00:28:59.318 --> 00:29:03.430
robust regulations. And don't rely on this self certification

00:29:03.439 --> 00:29:07.299
by these manufacturers. I've actually seen reports

00:29:07.309 --> 00:29:10.630
of what can happen when, when you leave it up to the

00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.338
corporations to self certify. I also want to ask you

00:29:14.348 --> 00:29:17.650
to, you know, think of all the residents of San Francisco

00:29:17.660 --> 00:29:20.640
I've seen so many of these cars on my street. I can't

00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:23.578
believe it. Especially knowing the limited number that

00:29:23.588 --> 00:29:27.059
are in operation and both way mo crews were very coy

00:29:27.068 --> 00:29:29.449
about how many cars they're going to put on the street

00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:34.039
if they have no restrictions or caps. I know as a taxi

00:29:34.049 --> 00:29:38.180
driver that their business is not sustainable unless

00:29:38.189 --> 00:29:41.199
they can cut down the arrival times and to do that

00:29:41.209 --> 00:29:44.130
they will have to put a lot more cars. So please vote

00:29:44.140 --> 00:29:48.739
No, thank you. Thank you. Our next uh three speakers

00:29:48.750 --> 00:30:17.180
are Jessica Ellis King Ellis and Jessica Felix.

00:30:17.180 --> 00:30:20.769
Hello, President Reynolds and Commissioners. My name

00:30:20.779 --> 00:30:24.818
is Jessica Ellis. I am a mother of an incredible child

00:30:24.828 --> 00:30:30.279
with autism. A has given me a new hope. My son will

00:30:30.289 --> 00:30:34.130
grow, will grow up to have a greater level of independence

00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:37.809
and safety that I really ever thought was possible

00:30:39.368 --> 00:30:44.828
as advocates. We work to break down barriers. Um So

00:30:44.838 --> 00:30:48.939
all families or of all backgrounds, cultures, race

00:30:48.949 --> 00:30:53.549
and income, income levels can get services that they

00:30:54.150 --> 00:30:57.318
um services and support that they need and deserve

00:30:58.539 --> 00:31:03.858
has, has partnered directly with our community. So

00:31:03.868 --> 00:31:07.338
people with disabilities can benefit from a please

00:31:07.348 --> 00:31:12.739
vote. Yes. On do I say like, what you can wait for

00:31:12.750 --> 00:31:17.130
them to call your name? Ok.

00:31:17.130 --> 00:31:18.939
All right. Thank you, Miss Ellis. And now we have King

00:31:18.949 --> 00:31:23.130
Ellis. Hello. My name is King Ellis. I love technology

00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:26.890
in NASCAR. It was really cool riding in the YMO and

00:31:26.900 --> 00:31:30.078
seeing everything around me. And I would like to keep

00:31:30.088 --> 00:31:34.420
using Mo to get around San Francisco

00:31:34.420 --> 00:31:37.739
and we would like to end with this like the king of

00:31:37.750 --> 00:31:40.299
Nascar Richard Petty once said, the good Lord doesn't

00:31:40.309 --> 00:31:42.479
tell you what his plan is so all he can do is

00:31:42.489 --> 00:31:46.670
get up in the morning and see what happens next. Thank

00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.479
you.

00:31:49.479 --> 00:31:54.650
Thank you.

00:31:54.650 --> 00:32:03.180
All right next we have Jessica Felix.

00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:06.009
Hello. My name is Jessica Felix and I'm the taxi driver

00:32:06.019 --> 00:32:08.848
representative on the San Francisco Paratransit Coordinating

00:32:08.858 --> 00:32:11.459
Council. I could talk to you about the many unsafe

00:32:11.469 --> 00:32:14.199
behaviors of driverless vehicles from my experience

00:32:14.209 --> 00:32:16.799
driving around all day in San Francisco. But instead

00:32:16.809 --> 00:32:19.719
I want to speak to you about the Americans with Disabilities

00:32:19.729 --> 00:32:24.900
Act ad A ad A clearly states entitled to subtitle B

00:32:25.009 --> 00:32:27.348
that public transit systems must provide people with

00:32:27.358 --> 00:32:30.459
disabilities equal opportunity to benefit. And the

00:32:30.469 --> 00:32:33.420
same is true for private transit systems doing business

00:32:33.769 --> 00:32:36.108
Tell me how does a person who uses a wheelchair get

00:32:36.118 --> 00:32:38.949
into a cruise or a Waymo? So when using a walker in

00:32:38.959 --> 00:32:41.019
most cases, is not able to load their walker in the

00:32:41.029 --> 00:32:43.930
trunk, they cannot use these vehicles. How does a blind

00:32:43.939 --> 00:32:46.390
person find safe passage when the ay drops them several

00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.170
doors down from their destination. Google and General

00:32:49.180 --> 00:32:51.868
Motors play with billions of dollars every year and

00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.118
are more than capable of helping people with disabilities

00:32:54.130 --> 00:32:56.900
and have refused this governing body, especially with

00:32:56.910 --> 00:32:59.519
today's vote. Must tell them it is not ok to discriminate

00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.390
approval of the A B companies today will hold this

00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.108
government body liable in disobeying the ad A the demand

00:33:06.118 --> 00:33:08.739
The law supports equal access and suspension of their

00:33:08.750 --> 00:33:11.430
permits to operate and do business until all members

00:33:11.439 --> 00:33:13.759
of the community can be served. Thank you. Thank you

00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:19.549
Our next three speakers are Mara Math, Cheryl Miko

00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:23.108
and Barbara uh Wins.

00:33:23.108 --> 00:33:34.059
And so next we have ah Mara Math, Miss Math.

00:33:34.059 --> 00:33:38.420
Thank you. Hi, I'm Mara Math. I'm a member of the paratransit

00:33:38.430 --> 00:33:43.118
Coordinating council. Speaking here for myself, I oppose

00:33:43.130 --> 00:33:48.509
the current draft resolutions because they leave disabled

00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:52.939
San Franciscans out in the cold. Um, driverless cars

00:33:52.949 --> 00:33:56.598
already fail minimum accessibility and safety standards

00:33:56.608 --> 00:33:59.588
like recognizing street signs, double parked vehicles

00:33:59.598 --> 00:34:03.000
emergency street responders and yellow cones on their

00:34:03.009 --> 00:34:06.549
roads. The can driverless vehicles assist passengers

00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.780
who need escorting to and from the vehicle. Can they

00:34:09.789 --> 00:34:12.099
load and secure mobility aids like wheelchairs and

00:34:12.110 --> 00:34:15.418
walkers. Can a driverless car spot a blind passenger

00:34:15.429 --> 00:34:18.739
waiting? Can it call out to that blind passenger that

00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:22.869
it has arrived to pick them up? Does the CPUC really

00:34:22.878 --> 00:34:26.869
want to defend these exclusions in the ad a lawsuits

00:34:26.878 --> 00:34:30.869
that will follow the arguments for driverless cars

00:34:30.969 --> 00:34:34.570
are all too reminiscent of the 19 fifties and sixties

00:34:34.610 --> 00:34:39.530
when automated was touted as automatically superior

00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:43.829
to human. Remember, the Jetsons Den is now were promised

00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.688
that automation will usher in a golden age for us.

00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:49.769
And as usual, it turns out to be more of a golden

00:34:49.780 --> 00:34:54.320
shower on us. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker

00:34:54.329 --> 00:35:07.159
is Cheryl Domico.

00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:15.340
So

00:35:15.340 --> 00:35:19.599
sorry. Can you hear me? Yeah. Yes, we can. Ok. Uh,

00:35:19.610 --> 00:35:24.039
my name is Cheryl and you happen to get three in a

00:35:24.050 --> 00:35:30.989
row, uh, from a transit recording Council. Uh, I too

00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:37.199
am speaking from the angle of the ad a it's a federal

00:35:37.579 --> 00:35:44.300
uh, legislation where people with disabilities or elderly

00:35:44.739 --> 00:35:52.500
should have equal access to, um, including transportation

00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:58.739
Um, and these vehicles would not be. I'm in a power

00:35:58.849 --> 00:36:03.708
chair. Uh, yes, I, there are special vehicles to the

00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:11.398
city. They need extreme training in order to make sure

00:36:11.409 --> 00:36:16.389
I am safely in there. These new vehicles are they gonna

00:36:16.398 --> 00:36:21.969
be taught by a robot on how to secure renown to uh

00:36:21.978 --> 00:36:24.909
the vehicle?

00:36:24.909 --> 00:36:30.119
And I would like you to think about that before voting

00:36:31.869 --> 00:36:37.449
Thank you. Our next speaker is uh Barbara and I apologize

00:36:37.458 --> 00:36:46.458
uh for the pronunciation of your name. Ok.

00:36:46.458 --> 00:36:50.429
Uh Hello Commissioners. My name is Barbara Winches

00:36:50.438 --> 00:36:54.489
I live in West Marin County. I am here today to ask

00:36:54.500 --> 00:37:00.458
you to please turn down AT&T S application to uh discontinue

00:37:00.469 --> 00:37:05.039
using the copper landlines. They are a lifeline for

00:37:05.050 --> 00:37:09.164
us in the rural areas of California when the fires

00:37:09.175 --> 00:37:13.675
are raging and the power is out and the cell cell phone

00:37:13.684 --> 00:37:17.494
excuse me, cell phone towers will not operate because

00:37:17.503 --> 00:37:20.675
they're out of generator fuel and no one can get up

00:37:20.684 --> 00:37:23.875
to the towers. The same thing in the winter with the

00:37:23.885 --> 00:37:28.175
storms. The roads are muddy, trees are down, they cannot

00:37:28.184 --> 00:37:31.784
replenish the fuel we have no cell phone service. Therefore

00:37:31.793 --> 00:37:34.485
we absolutely need our landlines. They're the only

00:37:34.494 --> 00:37:38.619
thing that attaches us to emergency services and the

00:37:38.628 --> 00:37:42.438
outside world. I am also electromagnetic sensitive

00:37:42.449 --> 00:37:46.079
I need my landline. I cannot use a cell phone without

00:37:46.090 --> 00:37:50.199
becoming ill. There are so many like me that are unrecognized

00:37:50.208 --> 00:37:53.969
I represent probably 100 more people. Thank you so

00:37:53.978 --> 00:37:59.349
much for your time. Thank you. All right. Our next

00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:04.418
three speakers are John Doherty, Tim Elder and Abdul

00:38:04.429 --> 00:38:14.010
had Mr Doherty.

00:38:14.010 --> 00:38:17.030
Good morning. Uh My name is John Dorty. I'm the business

00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:21.860
manager of IBW local six in San Francisco. And uh we

00:38:21.869 --> 00:38:23.889
have represented electrical workers in San Francisco

00:38:23.898 --> 00:38:28.590
since 18 95. We've been at the forefront of electrical

00:38:28.820 --> 00:38:32.590
uh transportation in San Francisco uh from our founding

00:38:33.059 --> 00:38:36.559
uh and is with that history that we call on the CPUC

00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:43.320
uh to approve uh crews and os uh applications to expand

00:38:43.829 --> 00:38:47.760
uh all electric autonomous vehicle ride hail service

00:38:48.398 --> 00:38:50.418
We opened discussions with crews about a year and a

00:38:50.429 --> 00:38:53.539
half ago and asked them to partner with the IBW on

00:38:53.550 --> 00:38:55.449
the build out of their electrical vehicle charging

00:38:55.458 --> 00:38:59.159
infrastructure. We and the IBW have invested heavily

00:38:59.168 --> 00:39:01.539
in the training necessary for the successful expansion

00:39:01.550 --> 00:39:05.769
of ev charging infrastructure and stressed the importance

00:39:05.780 --> 00:39:07.878
of this training for the development of the next generation

00:39:07.889 --> 00:39:10.179
of electrical workers in San Francisco and beyond.

00:39:11.478 --> 00:39:15.079
Uh by allowing Cruz's expansion. The CPUC will make

00:39:15.090 --> 00:39:17.898
a commitment to green

00:39:17.898 --> 00:39:21.289
in charging infrastructure that will help California's

00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:24.438
transition to clean energy while working to hit our

00:39:24.449 --> 00:39:26.668
emission reduction goals. Thank you for your time.

00:39:26.829 --> 00:39:32.769
Thank you. Next we have Tim Elder

00:39:32.769 --> 00:39:37.989
come to my voice. Oh, ok. Thank you.

00:39:37.989 --> 00:39:40.659
Hello, my name is Tim Elder. I am the elected president

00:39:40.668 --> 00:39:43.550
of the National Federation of the Blind of California

00:39:43.610 --> 00:39:45.889
I'm here to represent the interests of blind people

00:39:45.898 --> 00:39:49.550
throughout the entire state, including those in our

00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.159
San Francisco chapter and the many other blind people

00:39:52.168 --> 00:39:55.438
in the city of San Francisco. We're very much in favor

00:39:55.449 --> 00:39:59.269
of the commission granting these two permits. We are

00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.539
here in our genuine interest in seeing this technology

00:40:02.550 --> 00:40:04.739
benefit the blindness community. We're not being trodden

00:40:04.750 --> 00:40:07.500
out. We are an independent organization. We're not

00:40:07.510 --> 00:40:10.869
in anyone's back pocket or payroll or employees. We

00:40:10.878 --> 00:40:14.099
are here to say that blind people really benefit from

00:40:14.110 --> 00:40:17.699
this technology. We've used it. It's been proven that

00:40:17.708 --> 00:40:20.219
it is safe. It's been operating on streets for a while

00:40:20.228 --> 00:40:23.829
now. We need to responsibly expand it. I think these

00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:28.989
permits are a responsible expansion and the the the

00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:34.679
need for these is very high. Taxis are too expensive

00:40:34.688 --> 00:40:37.878
for blind people. Uber and Lyft ride sharing often

00:40:37.889 --> 00:40:40.639
discriminates causing blind individuals with guide

00:40:40.648 --> 00:40:44.139
dogs to be left on the street corner. Public transit

00:40:44.389 --> 00:40:49.438
doesn't has a last mile problem. Pair of transit has

00:40:49.449 --> 00:40:53.250
unreasonable delays. This would be a great independence

00:40:53.260 --> 00:40:57.320
improvement for blind people. Please vote yes on this

00:40:57.329 --> 00:41:00.869
Responsible expansion of this safe and innovative technology

00:41:00.878 --> 00:41:06.090
Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is Abdo Haddin

00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:15.579
Hello, my name is Abdul Had with the CIU local 87 here

00:41:15.590 --> 00:41:19.099
in San Francisco. I'm here along with my brothers and

00:41:19.110 --> 00:41:22.789
sisters to fully support autonomous vehicles to uh

00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:27.050
operate 24 hours. I firmly believe that the development

00:41:27.059 --> 00:41:30.219
and integration of autonomous vehicles will bring about

00:41:30.228 --> 00:41:34.610
a new era of economic prosperity and jobs maintaining

00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:37.530
and creation here in the state. I encourage your support

00:41:37.539 --> 00:41:41.179
by voting. Yes, on this today. Thank you so much. Thank

00:41:41.188 --> 00:41:45.300
you. All right. Our next three speakers are Ying X

00:41:47.148 --> 00:41:58.478
uh Malea Ortiz and uh Noelia Noelia Linear.

00:41:58.478 --> 00:42:09.519
Do we have Yingxing me in the audience?

00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.929
Hi. Um My name is I'm an SI U local, 87 member

00:42:15.019 --> 00:42:20.719
I'm here to uh support in the stay in the San Francisco

00:42:20.949 --> 00:42:26.099
They will provide us uh the job we have. Uh we still

00:42:26.110 --> 00:42:32.820
have 3000 member uh on the bench. Thank you.

00:42:32.820 --> 00:42:42.550
Thank you. Uh Ortiz.

00:42:42.550 --> 00:42:45.469
Hi, good afternoon. My name is Ella Ortiz and I'm with

00:42:45.478 --> 00:42:49.228
the AC IU local at 87. I'm here to support Cruz to

00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.648
stay in San Francisco because they would create jobs

00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:55.050
for our members. Since the pandemic, we had 3000 members

00:42:55.059 --> 00:42:57.500
without jobs they're not able to provide for their

00:42:57.510 --> 00:43:02.639
families. And we believe that a lot of, a lot of companies

00:43:02.648 --> 00:43:05.239
are live in California. Cruz is saying we want to stay

00:43:05.250 --> 00:43:09.090
in California and provide jobs and also provide service

00:43:09.099 --> 00:43:12.929
for a much needed community. Thank you very much. Thank

00:43:12.938 --> 00:43:16.050
you.

00:43:16.050 --> 00:43:18.159
No,

00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:22.478
Les.

00:43:22.478 --> 00:43:26.128
Hello. Uh My name is Lena. I am one of the representatives

00:43:26.139 --> 00:43:29.619
of local 87. I am in support of Cruz. Staying in San

00:43:29.628 --> 00:43:32.389
Francisco. Cruz is one of the tech companies that is

00:43:32.398 --> 00:43:35.168
willing to become unionized and provide work for our

00:43:35.179 --> 00:43:38.329
3000 union members that right now are on the bench

00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:41.329
waiting for the opportunity to work. Having crews here

00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:44.329
in San Francisco will provide work and stability for

00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:48.139
our members and their families. We at local 87 support

00:43:48.148 --> 00:43:53.228
Cruz. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. The

00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.110
next three speakers are Wing Luck. Jose Castillo and

00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.750
Rhonda Campbell.

00:44:00.750 --> 00:44:07.659
So uh Wing Luck,

00:44:07.659 --> 00:44:14.628
right? I don't see anyone approaching, so I

00:44:14.628 --> 00:44:17.139
OK.

00:44:17.139 --> 00:44:19.369
Yes,

00:44:19.369 --> 00:44:25.300
great.

00:44:25.300 --> 00:44:28.228
Hello. My name is Jose Castillo. I am here to support

00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:32.728
Cruz because um they are gonna provide jobs to our

00:44:32.739 --> 00:44:35.469
industry janitor. That is the one that are suffering

00:44:35.478 --> 00:44:38.559
a lot of lost jobs right now.

00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:42.590
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next, we

00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:51.438
have Rhonda Campbell.

00:44:51.438 --> 00:44:54.429
Good morning commissioners. Um Thank you for your time

00:44:54.438 --> 00:44:57.478
this morning. My name is Rhonda Campbell and I am the

00:44:57.489 --> 00:45:00.570
California State lead victim service advocate for mothers

00:45:00.579 --> 00:45:03.389
against drunk driving. And I'm here to read a statement

00:45:03.398 --> 00:45:06.239
from our California executive director, Patricia Riera

00:45:06.869 --> 00:45:09.110
Drunk driving is the number one cause of deaths and

00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.110
injuries on America's roads. Taking the lives of more

00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:16.469
than 13,000 people. In 2021 drivers are increasingly

00:45:16.478 --> 00:45:19.010
testing positive for other drugs and combinations of

00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:22.208
substances contributing to historic rises in roadway

00:45:22.219 --> 00:45:25.478
deaths. We know that we need technology to step in

00:45:25.489 --> 00:45:27.708
when people refuse to make the right choice to never

00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.280
drive impaired. That's why Matt is proud of our partnership

00:45:31.289 --> 00:45:33.829
and our shared mission with autonomous vehicle companies

00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.889
like Waymo and Cruz Autonomous Technology that is now

00:45:37.898 --> 00:45:40.329
in development will help prevent tragedies on our roads

00:45:40.340 --> 00:45:44.090
including those caused by impaired drivers, advanced

00:45:44.099 --> 00:45:46.708
vehicle technology such as autonomous vehicle is a

00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:49.878
pillar of Mad's campaign to eliminate drunk driving

00:45:50.179 --> 00:45:53.250
as the largest nonprofit organization serving victims

00:45:53.260 --> 00:45:56.929
of these 100% preventable crimes and advocating for

00:45:56.938 --> 00:46:00.809
laws that will stop the crisis on our road. Mad supports

00:46:00.820 --> 00:46:04.300
the safe development and deployment of autonomous technology

00:46:04.688 --> 00:46:08.369
Since our founding in 1980 Mad has helped save more

00:46:08.378 --> 00:46:11.800
than 400,000 lives, reduce drunk driving deaths by

00:46:11.809 --> 00:46:15.898
more than 50% by promoting a non a designated non drinking

00:46:15.909 --> 00:46:19.250
driver. While great progress in highway safety has

00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:22.409
been made over the past four decades, traffic, traffic

00:46:22.418 --> 00:46:26.019
fatalities, injuries and crashes continue to take an

00:46:26.168 --> 00:46:28.719
enormous toll on our country. And I'm going to ask

00:46:28.728 --> 00:46:31.510
you to wrap up. We welcome all efforts to end impaired

00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:33.780
driving and make our streets safer. Thank you very

00:46:33.938 --> 00:46:35.978
much.

00:46:35.978 --> 00:46:40.039
Ok. Our next speaker is Jamie Crane and then we have

00:46:40.050 --> 00:46:50.000
Fran Taylor and Kathleen Fung.

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:55.070
Take your time.

00:46:55.070 --> 00:46:59.349
Good morning. Uh My name is Jamie Crane. I am the elected

00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.500
president of the Silicon Valley chapter of the National

00:47:02.510 --> 00:47:05.679
Federation of the Blind of California. Um You can hear

00:47:05.688 --> 00:47:08.340
I have my two year old in my arms. I'm also a

00:47:08.349 --> 00:47:11.148
mother of two Children, one of whom is blind and I

00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:15.769
myself am blind. Driverless vehicles would be an amazing

00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:19.969
advantage for us getting around as a family with two

00:47:19.978 --> 00:47:23.659
car seats, diaper bags, a stroller and a lot of other

00:47:23.668 --> 00:47:27.789
things that Uber and Lyft drivers frankly are not comfortable

00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:31.889
with us having just trying to get here today. I was

00:47:32.010 --> 00:47:35.550
almost a half hour late because an Uber driver denied

00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.219
me transportation because he didn't want my children's

00:47:38.228 --> 00:47:43.809
car seats touching his his vehicle seats for safety

00:47:43.829 --> 00:47:47.300
I need to know that when I get into a vehicle, I'm

00:47:47.309 --> 00:47:50.110
allowed to install my children's car seats and make

00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:54.059
sure they are safe before we start moving. Uh I urge

00:47:54.070 --> 00:48:00.179
the commission to approve yes dear to approve expansion

00:48:00.188 --> 00:48:03.260
of self driving vehicles and to do so responsibly so

00:48:03.269 --> 00:48:06.168
that we can get all of the safety and accessibility

00:48:06.369 --> 00:48:08.969
and all of the measures that we need to make this effective

00:48:08.978 --> 00:48:12.510
and accessible to everybody. Thank you. Thank you.

00:48:13.849 --> 00:48:28.599
All right. Next we have Fran Taylor.

00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:33.438
This process reminds me of an old twilight zone episode

00:48:33.539 --> 00:48:37.269
where you have this normal happy little town, everybody

00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:40.228
going on about their business and wholesome and all

00:48:40.478 --> 00:48:42.878
And then the camera pulls back and you see it's like

00:48:42.889 --> 00:48:46.250
a giant ant farm

00:48:46.250 --> 00:48:49.938
and there's some big hulking spider like being behind

00:48:49.949 --> 00:48:52.559
it sort of chuckling and saying, I think they're almost

00:48:52.570 --> 00:48:56.769
ready to eat now. And San Francisco has been an ant

00:48:56.780 --> 00:49:00.949
farm for crows at Waymo and we're the ants and we're

00:49:00.958 --> 00:49:05.809
asking you to please not be the spiders. I've been

00:49:05.820 --> 00:49:10.099
working for almost 40 years in safe streets with, you

00:49:10.110 --> 00:49:14.309
know, pedestrian organizations, disability and senior

00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:20.449
action and transit. And I was just hanging out on the

00:49:20.458 --> 00:49:23.570
steps waiting to come in with all the paid yellow shirts

00:49:23.579 --> 00:49:28.030
and I didn't recognize one face of anyone who has ever

00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:33.269
lifted a finger for safe streets. So it's BS.

00:49:33.269 --> 00:49:39.969
Thank you. Our next speaker is Kathleen Fung.

00:49:39.969 --> 00:49:43.648
Um Thank you very much supervisors Kathleen Fung. I

00:49:43.659 --> 00:49:48.789
live in San Francisco in Ashbury. Um Actually I own

00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:53.869
my own company. I work full time. I take public transportation

00:49:54.269 --> 00:50:00.019
I take buses, I take taxis and since August of 2021

00:50:00.349 --> 00:50:05.070
I have been a trusted tester for. I know the importance

00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:09.398
of safety. My grandfather was killed by a hit and run

00:50:09.409 --> 00:50:14.329
driver. So this hits me in the heart every time I get

00:50:14.340 --> 00:50:17.869
into a Waymo, I'm well aware that my comments and my

00:50:17.878 --> 00:50:22.438
evaluations are important to the company. I try my

00:50:22.449 --> 00:50:26.168
best. I critique it if the car is acting erratically

00:50:26.179 --> 00:50:29.909
I note every single detail because this is the information

00:50:30.050 --> 00:50:32.360
that Waymo needs. This is the information that these

00:50:32.369 --> 00:50:36.289
cars need. I am very happy to report my reports have

00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:39.128
been excellent. Over the past two years, I urge you

00:50:39.139 --> 00:50:43.250
please to consider and driverless cars. The technology

00:50:43.260 --> 00:50:47.269
is good. Let's give it a chance. Thank you. Thank you

00:50:48.099 --> 00:50:58.949
Our next speakers are Renee Claudia Vie. And uh,

00:50:58.949 --> 00:51:01.780
and I think I mispronounced your last name. Apologies

00:51:01.789 --> 00:51:05.820
It's ok. Ok. Hi. Uh Thank you so much, everybody for

00:51:05.829 --> 00:51:08.228
hearing me out. My name is Renee Turcios. I'm an A

00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.800
I startup founder and I just wanted to real quick,

00:51:10.809 --> 00:51:13.849
uh share a little thing. I want to highlight a critical

00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:16.349
aspect of autonomous vehicles, their potential to save

00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:20.110
lives by employing advanced algorithms that remove

00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.300
the possibility of human error. Autonomous vehicles

00:51:22.309 --> 00:51:24.668
are not just a technological innovation. They are a

00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.289
life saving measure in a city like San Francisco where

00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:29.869
innovation thrives. The adoption of autonomous vehicles

00:51:29.878 --> 00:51:32.639
could mean a future where traffic accidents are significantly

00:51:32.648 --> 00:51:35.550
reduced and lives are spared. The choice to support

00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.769
autonomous vehicles is more than a policy decision

00:51:37.780 --> 00:51:40.219
It's a commitment to prioritizing human life and safety

00:51:40.228 --> 00:51:44.148
in our transportation system. Thank you. Thank you

00:51:45.090 --> 00:51:47.978
Next, we have Claudia Vie.

00:51:47.978 --> 00:51:51.409
Good morning. My name is Claudia Vee and I've been

00:51:51.418 --> 00:51:54.510
working with community based nonprofit organizations

00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.849
in the city for almost 50 years. And I'm here today

00:51:57.860 --> 00:52:04.469
to ask you to, to um vote against AT&T S um proposal

00:52:04.478 --> 00:52:09.849
to eliminate copper landlines um these this uh policy

00:52:09.860 --> 00:52:13.898
would disproportionately affect home based peop, homebound

00:52:13.909 --> 00:52:18.188
people and the elderly. It would also particularly

00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:22.878
um affect emergency calls. Um The emergency calls with

00:52:22.889 --> 00:52:26.550
the landline. Um the address and the map is posted

00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.679
immediately so police and ambulance can respond. I

00:52:30.688 --> 00:52:34.539
experienced this myself firsthand. When 911 did not

00:52:34.550 --> 00:52:38.260
respond, I hung up and then the police arrived in five

00:52:38.269 --> 00:52:42.829
minutes. This um would not be happening with cell phones

00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.590
So thank you for considering this uh request to refuse

00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:52.619
AT&T. Thanks. Thank you. Next we have Miss Scull.

00:52:52.619 --> 00:52:56.989
Hi, I'm Sudi Skull. Good morning. EMF sensitivity follows

00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.978
a continuum such that many of us here could not function

00:52:59.989 --> 00:53:03.300
without accommodations at and Ts Copper landline is

00:53:03.309 --> 00:53:06.510
my only connection to the outside world. We are the

00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:11.000
canaries in the coal mine. On the other hand, my therapy

00:53:11.010 --> 00:53:14.378
clients increasingly present with anxiety, panic attacks

00:53:14.389 --> 00:53:17.260
and sleep disorders. A reflection of the public's high

00:53:17.269 --> 00:53:20.739
exposure to EMF from their workday, computers and social

00:53:20.750 --> 00:53:25.559
media addiction moderating their ef exposure lessens

00:53:25.570 --> 00:53:28.829
their symptoms. A legacy landline will work for 10

00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.668
days after an electrical shutdown. And even then it's

00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.728
only needed for the ringer when hurricane Sandy struck

00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:38.918
the east coast in 2012, cell phones became jammed with

00:53:38.929 --> 00:53:43.239
911 calls, intentional physical attacks on the power

00:53:43.250 --> 00:53:48.978
grid substations rose 71% in 2022 according to a recent

00:53:48.989 --> 00:53:53.688
CNN special that combined with earthquakes and fires

00:53:53.699 --> 00:53:58.889
makes at and TS essential for California. Don't be

00:53:58.898 --> 00:54:02.668
fooled by at and TS corporate profits scheme. Thank

00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:07.429
you. Thank you. Next, our next three speakers are Dwayne

00:54:07.438 --> 00:54:24.510
Post, Elizabeth Grisby and Sharon Giovanna.

00:54:24.510 --> 00:54:30.840
Good afternoon. I also strongly support that the CPUC

00:54:30.849 --> 00:54:36.019
deny any and all requests from AT&T to be relieved

00:54:36.030 --> 00:54:39.639
from their obligations to maintain copper landlines

00:54:40.369 --> 00:54:44.239
Other companies are not equipped to do the job, senior

00:54:44.250 --> 00:54:48.329
citizens and people with disabilities rely on landlines

00:54:48.340 --> 00:54:51.909
and regular telephones. They frequently do not have

00:54:51.918 --> 00:54:57.750
the means or skills to pay for and use expensive cell

00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:02.059
equipment. And you know that during an emergency cell

00:55:02.070 --> 00:55:06.398
service gets overwhelmed and the battery backups on

00:55:06.409 --> 00:55:12.360
the towers can go out. Please keep at and t responsible

00:55:12.389 --> 00:55:17.208
for copper landlines. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we

00:55:17.219 --> 00:55:31.728
have Elizabeth Grisby.

00:55:31.728 --> 00:55:37.898
Thank you. Happy to be here again.

00:55:37.898 --> 00:55:44.019
Oh, yeah, I'm all for the.

00:55:44.019 --> 00:55:52.409
Well, I can have fun. These cars are not

00:55:52.409 --> 00:55:59.800
to be on the road to pick up people. I'm in a

00:55:59.809 --> 00:56:09.128
wheelchair. Can you please tell me how are these

00:56:09.128 --> 00:56:13.489
curves go like

00:56:13.489 --> 00:56:18.239
safely? I'm done for

00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:25.938
that technology. What was at work? And when it doesn't

00:56:26.398 --> 00:56:36.059
it doesn't. And I'm not about to make my life. I, I

00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:47.500
the man in the work ain't going somewhere and I have

00:56:47.510 --> 00:56:51.728
this car go out

00:56:51.728 --> 00:56:59.590
and what can I do if I buy myself and of car

00:57:00.208 --> 00:57:05.300
The fight to go

00:57:05.300 --> 00:57:15.168
and then it turn out. We have no technology. Have you

00:57:16.090 --> 00:57:23.000
So I encourage you. You got

00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:32.708
right now. Wait a few more here they did. I would love

00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:40.949
to have way more. And the question, did they actually

00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:49.869
have it out with somebody with and disability? But

00:57:51.378 --> 00:58:00.110
if not, then you can't tell me it's a good thing. Thank

00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:06.750
you very much. Uh Thank you.

00:58:06.750 --> 00:58:11.898
Next we have uh Sharon Giovinazzo. You know, the name

00:58:11.909 --> 00:58:14.269
seems to be getting easier as we go on here. Commissioner

00:58:14.409 --> 00:58:17.159
honorable commissioners. Imagine a world where independence

00:58:17.168 --> 00:58:19.559
knows no boundaries, where the city streets becomes

00:58:19.570 --> 00:58:22.639
a canvas of opportunity for everyone. As a person who

00:58:22.648 --> 00:58:25.360
is blind, I stand before you to share my excitement

00:58:25.369 --> 00:58:28.340
about the incredible benefits of autonomous vehicles

00:58:28.349 --> 00:58:31.500
that bring to our lives in San Francisco for many years

00:58:31.510 --> 00:58:33.978
Navigating the bustling streets has been a challenge

00:58:33.989 --> 00:58:36.699
limiting freedom and potential for so many people with

00:58:36.708 --> 00:58:39.800
visual impairments, autonomous vehicles promise more

00:58:39.809 --> 00:58:42.849
than just mobility. They offer a renewed sense of confidence

00:58:42.860 --> 00:58:45.739
and empowerment. Imagine if you woke up tomorrow and

00:58:45.750 --> 00:58:48.199
you couldn't see, imagine the fear of crossing the

00:58:48.208 --> 00:58:51.639
busy intersections or struggling with public transportation

00:58:51.648 --> 00:58:54.449
until you could receive life saving training today

00:58:54.458 --> 00:58:57.099
because of your positive boat. I envision a future

00:58:57.110 --> 00:59:00.639
where I can hop into a self driving car, input my destination

00:59:00.648 --> 00:59:03.699
and relax as I smoothly and safely take me to where

00:59:03.708 --> 00:59:07.030
I need to go in the journey towards an autonomous future

00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.179
Let us remember that technology's true. Potential lies

00:59:10.188 --> 00:59:13.030
not only in its capabilities, but in the capacity to

00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.800
uplift and empower all. Thank you commissioners. Thank

00:59:15.809 --> 00:59:20.978
you. The next three speakers are Sherry, Sherry Albers

00:59:20.989 --> 00:59:38.570
Jessie Wolinsky and Patrick Crowe.

00:59:38.570 --> 00:59:42.199
Thank you. Thank you, President Reynolds and honorable

00:59:42.208 --> 00:59:44.619
commissioners.

00:59:44.619 --> 00:59:48.989
Um I am here to um in favor of the expansion of

00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:55.769
the testing for and cruz. Um Transportation has.

00:59:55.778 --> 00:59:59.638
Always been an issue for um people who are blind or

00:59:59.648 --> 01:00:04.188
have low vision. I stand before you as a blind person

01:00:04.198 --> 01:00:08.479
I was born with a generative eye disease. Um Transportation

01:00:08.489 --> 01:00:13.148
has been a barrier for employment, for recreation,

01:00:13.157 --> 01:00:17.029
for socialization and for just about everything that

01:00:17.038 --> 01:00:20.988
we do. I don't know if we and Cruz had in mind

01:00:20.997 --> 01:00:26.269
to develop this technology for a blind person, but

01:00:26.279 --> 01:00:29.598
I will take it what it means to me is independence

01:00:29.609 --> 01:00:34.019
it means freedom and it means just having the opportunity

01:00:34.028 --> 01:00:36.598
to do what I want when I want and not having to

01:00:36.609 --> 01:00:40.158
ask anyone to help me. I have been in a way car

01:00:40.168 --> 01:00:44.128
It is the most confidently driven car I have ever been

01:00:44.137 --> 01:00:46.329
in. And I thought my dad was the best driver in the

01:00:46.338 --> 01:00:50.418
world. Um Don't I don't want people to speak for blind

01:00:50.427 --> 01:00:54.198
people because they have no right to. But um I need

01:00:54.208 --> 01:00:58.039
to tell you that um rideshare, Uber and Lyft is not

01:00:58.048 --> 01:01:01.919
our friend. Thank you so much. Thank you. The next

01:01:01.928 --> 01:01:14.519
speaker is Jesse Wolinsky.

01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.568
Good morning Commissioners. My name is Jessie Wolinsky

01:01:17.577 --> 01:01:22.118
and as a blind woman, I am here fully to support autonomous

01:01:22.128 --> 01:01:27.488
technology. Not only has being a way tested writer

01:01:27.499 --> 01:01:30.077
provided me with a level of independence that I have

01:01:30.088 --> 01:01:33.547
never been able to experience before. It has provided

01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:36.889
me with a feeling of safety that I've never had before

01:01:37.098 --> 01:01:41.848
I have been harassed on public transit, para transit

01:01:41.937 --> 01:01:46.118
Ubers, lifts, taxis, even walking down the street.

01:01:46.407 --> 01:01:49.738
And quite frankly, I am absolutely tired of it. And

01:01:49.749 --> 01:01:53.407
when I get into a vehicle, I feel not only that I

01:01:53.419 --> 01:01:56.588
am able to get to where I need to be on my

01:01:56.598 --> 01:02:00.577
own terms, which is huge, but I am able to do so

01:02:00.588 --> 01:02:05.019
without the fear of being harassed, groped, assaulted

01:02:05.027 --> 01:02:09.168
attacked or potentially worse. And I deserve to get

01:02:09.178 --> 01:02:13.368
to the places I need to go without that fear. So please

01:02:13.379 --> 01:02:18.527
please support this today. Thank you. Thank you. Our

01:02:18.577 --> 01:02:26.519
next speaker is Patrick Crowe.

01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:29.777
Hello, good morning. My name is Patrick Crowe. I'm

01:02:29.789 --> 01:02:33.248
a resident of San Francisco and a Waymo trusted tester

01:02:33.557 --> 01:02:36.479
I've been using Waymo for several months and I just

01:02:36.488 --> 01:02:39.458
love it. I think it's great technology. The reason

01:02:39.468 --> 01:02:41.718
I'm here though is not, has nothing to do with Waymo

01:02:41.729 --> 01:02:44.759
or cruise. The reason I'm here is on behalf of San

01:02:44.769 --> 01:02:48.569
Francisco and California. I feel that this issue represents

01:02:48.577 --> 01:02:50.918
something that's much more important than self driving

01:02:50.928 --> 01:02:54.547
cars. I feel that this is an opportunity for us to

01:02:54.557 --> 01:02:57.819
say no and shut things down or say yes and open up

01:02:57.827 --> 01:03:01.588
new possibilities for our city. I have a sustainable

01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:04.868
San Francisco growing San Francisco and a San Francisco

01:03:04.879 --> 01:03:09.168
that provides new opportunities. I think that the concerns

01:03:09.178 --> 01:03:12.827
that people have can be addressed through working with

01:03:12.838 --> 01:03:17.118
these companies. And there's so many ways that we can

01:03:17.988 --> 01:03:21.527
use technology to help emergency services or maybe

01:03:21.539 --> 01:03:24.777
have self driving cars, avoid areas. So I urge you

01:03:24.789 --> 01:03:28.698
to vote for this resolution. Thank you. Thank you.

01:03:29.077 --> 01:03:33.118
The next three speakers are Kazuko Jones, Brent Johnson

01:03:33.129 --> 01:03:43.838
and Brian Hamilton.

01:03:43.838 --> 01:03:49.297
Uh Good afternoon. This is Kat Jones. Um, thank you

01:03:49.658 --> 01:03:54.807
Um, my name is Kat Jones. Uh I've been a, a trusted

01:03:54.819 --> 01:04:00.387
test for way more since 2021. October and I wrote,

01:04:00.398 --> 01:04:10.129
um about 1400 uh minutes and quite a few um times and

01:04:10.137 --> 01:04:14.908
uh I wanna say you should trust this technology. It's

01:04:14.918 --> 01:04:20.898
evolving rapidly since, uh, since I started to uh test

01:04:20.908 --> 01:04:25.269
it, it was some iffy moments, not safety issue. But

01:04:25.458 --> 01:04:31.778
um, it's been great and now I just, uh, I, I find

01:04:32.007 --> 01:04:36.857
way more safer than any other drivers, including myself

01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:43.468
It's its cautious side. That's why you see the articles

01:04:43.478 --> 01:04:47.749
in the newspaper. It stops because of the safety issue

01:04:48.078 --> 01:04:52.468
and it's not good, of course. But, um, I, I'm sure

01:04:52.478 --> 01:04:56.278
the technology can overcome the issue, cooperating

01:04:56.288 --> 01:05:01.179
with the authorities. So I, I just want to emphasize

01:05:01.189 --> 01:05:05.179
please vote. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker

01:05:05.189 --> 01:05:09.888
is Brent Johnson.

01:05:09.888 --> 01:05:13.098
Good morning commissioners. Good morning, everyone

01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.999
Ok. Hey, my name is David Brent Johnson. I have lived

01:05:17.007 --> 01:05:19.739
and driven taxi for over 30 years in San Francisco

01:05:20.857 --> 01:05:23.697
in life. I like to focus on a simple mantra in a

01:05:23.708 --> 01:05:27.107
good way that may include many elements, including

01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:30.418
integrity, responsibility and respect. I urge you to

01:05:30.429 --> 01:05:34.127
vote no on the expansion of autonomous vehicles. I'm

01:05:34.138 --> 01:05:36.088
here today to report what I see on the streets as a

01:05:36.098 --> 01:05:39.398
full time driver in San Francisco, I see empty A V

01:05:39.408 --> 01:05:43.278
cars stopped in traffic often, usually on major thoroughfares

01:05:43.288 --> 01:05:46.138
such as Howard street fell and go streets during peak

01:05:46.148 --> 01:05:49.627
traffic times. Way and crew want to be taxis. They

01:05:49.638 --> 01:05:52.788
are not taxis and it is illegal for them to imply or

01:05:52.797 --> 01:05:56.067
advertise as such in any way. San Francisco taxis are

01:05:56.078 --> 01:06:00.507
regulated by the S FA and Waymo are not driverless

01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:02.728
cars are of little use to the public when we have so

01:06:02.739 --> 01:06:05.638
many other viable safer options for transport. Let's

01:06:05.648 --> 01:06:08.848
explore those I do not oppose the people here today

01:06:09.249 --> 01:06:12.218
I do not on either side of this issue, I don't oppose

01:06:12.228 --> 01:06:14.619
anyone with this. I understand autonomous vehicles

01:06:14.627 --> 01:06:18.028
are simply not ready for prime time. Corporate greed

01:06:18.038 --> 01:06:19.908
Folks feel differently, they're ready for the money

01:06:20.749 --> 01:06:22.939
Um,

01:06:22.939 --> 01:06:25.197
as a tax driver, my coworkers and I have assessed in

01:06:25.208 --> 01:06:27.999
public countless episodes, we could write volumes,

01:06:28.007 --> 01:06:30.499
help helping disabled folks, people in danger, taking

01:06:30.507 --> 01:06:32.638
folks in need to the er, and helping them home from

01:06:32.648 --> 01:06:35.797
them, interrupting robberies. I'm gonna ask you to

01:06:35.809 --> 01:06:38.547
wrap up your time. And recently two of my cabby friends

01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:41.369
literally saving lives traveling with Narcan two times

01:06:41.377 --> 01:06:44.418
in the last month that I know of. Uh I urge you

01:06:44.429 --> 01:06:46.877
to vote no on this matter in a good way. Thank you

01:06:46.888 --> 01:06:57.769
Thank you. The next speaker is Brian Hamilton.

01:06:57.769 --> 01:07:01.598
Thank you. Our son Christopher is an adult with autism

01:07:01.607 --> 01:07:05.328
and a way more trusted tester not driving means ride

01:07:05.338 --> 01:07:08.088
sharing services are important to his independence

01:07:08.098 --> 01:07:11.138
He goes to the San Francisco Arc using Uni to get there

01:07:11.148 --> 01:07:14.357
He uses ride sharing services to return at night. When

01:07:14.369 --> 01:07:17.757
safety concerns exist in the neighborhood for individuals

01:07:17.769 --> 01:07:21.447
with autism, socialization can be challenging. Drivers

01:07:21.458 --> 01:07:24.189
often want to engage in conversation. This only heightens

01:07:24.197 --> 01:07:27.817
Christopher's anxiety, autonomous cars will significantly

01:07:27.828 --> 01:07:31.218
improve his life by eliminating the stressor. Another

01:07:31.228 --> 01:07:34.019
aspect to consider is safety. While most drivers are

01:07:34.028 --> 01:07:37.138
reliable, there have been and will continue to be security

01:07:37.148 --> 01:07:40.028
and safety issues. We worry about Christopher being

01:07:40.038 --> 01:07:43.317
vulnerable or being taken advantage of making the absence

01:07:43.328 --> 01:07:46.817
of a physical driver a security enhancement, neurological

01:07:46.828 --> 01:07:50.119
conditions like autism often go unnoticed because the

01:07:50.127 --> 01:07:53.697
individuals appear just like anyone else. Self driving

01:07:53.708 --> 01:07:56.468
cars offer more than just convenience. They provide

01:07:56.478 --> 01:07:59.559
an opportunity for independence for people like Christopher

01:08:00.059 --> 01:08:02.388
As you assess the input on this matter. I urge you

01:08:02.398 --> 01:08:05.168
to keep in mind those that lack a voice or struggle

01:08:05.179 --> 01:08:08.119
to use it effectively their well being and independence

01:08:08.127 --> 01:08:12.059
matters in this discussion. Thank you. Thank you. Our

01:08:12.067 --> 01:08:16.769
next three speakers are Vicky Severs, Rachel Gaunt

01:08:16.778 --> 01:08:28.697
and Garry Page

01:08:28.697 --> 01:08:34.336
Vicky Sandra. It is imperative that at and ts application

01:08:34.346 --> 01:08:38.077
for relief from its carrier of last resort obligations

01:08:38.086 --> 01:08:42.398
be denied ensuring reliable voice service for every

01:08:42.407 --> 01:08:46.736
customer, including disabled populations is critical

01:08:46.917 --> 01:08:51.216
at and ts claim that customers can choose another provider

01:08:51.407 --> 01:08:55.437
is meaningless when at and TS competitors are not obligated

01:08:55.447 --> 01:08:59.709
to serve anyone at all. Surely it is the responsibility

01:08:59.719 --> 01:09:03.778
of this body to deny an application that threatens

01:09:03.788 --> 01:09:07.817
health and safety because of my work with a network

01:09:07.827 --> 01:09:11.109
devoted to protecting people from the harms of wireless

01:09:11.118 --> 01:09:15.668
radiation. I know and know of many at and T customers

01:09:15.677 --> 01:09:19.418
who are EMF disabled and rely on the copper line system

01:09:19.427 --> 01:09:23.898
for low EMF voice service and reliable connection during

01:09:23.908 --> 01:09:28.839
outages and disasters already compromised and marginalized

01:09:28.849 --> 01:09:33.849
These citizens would experience exacerbation of their

01:09:33.859 --> 01:09:37.677
conditions unless this application is denied. Thank

01:09:37.687 --> 01:09:45.758
you. Thank you, Miss Gaunt is next.

01:09:45.758 --> 01:09:48.148
Hello, good morning commissioners. My name is Rachel

01:09:48.158 --> 01:09:51.729
Gaunt. I live out in West Marin and last year we had

01:09:51.738 --> 01:09:54.888
a number of power cuts. Some for several days. The

01:09:54.898 --> 01:09:59.388
only, um the only link to the outside world was our

01:09:59.398 --> 01:10:02.959
landline. It was really important. It for the same

01:10:02.969 --> 01:10:06.128
reason in fires to when things back up or the towers

01:10:06.138 --> 01:10:09.988
go down. It's a wonderful connection to the outside

01:10:09.998 --> 01:10:13.839
world. I use it exclusively for work. I don't use wired

01:10:13.849 --> 01:10:16.528
or voice over. IP because it doesn't make me feel so

01:10:16.538 --> 01:10:22.028
good. Um So I urge you to deny AT&T s application to

01:10:22.038 --> 01:10:24.697
phase out our copper landlines. It's just a lifeline

01:10:24.709 --> 01:10:27.187
for all of us

01:10:27.187 --> 01:10:30.998
and I wasn't going to speak on this, but I, I moved

01:10:31.008 --> 01:10:34.158
to, on behalf of the EMF sensitive community around

01:10:34.168 --> 01:10:36.758
the world, which is a much higher proportion than people

01:10:36.769 --> 01:10:40.908
realize whilst I think AV cars are probably here to

01:10:40.918 --> 01:10:44.197
stay. I urge you to look at the radar that they send

01:10:44.209 --> 01:10:47.859
out from hundreds of yards around them endangering

01:10:47.868 --> 01:10:51.339
possibly people walking by. Thank you very much. Thank

01:10:51.349 --> 01:10:57.979
you. Our next speaker is Garry Page.

01:10:57.979 --> 01:11:02.548
Good afternoon. I live in a dead cell area by choice

01:11:02.557 --> 01:11:06.488
Wireless RF radiation is contra indicated after radiation

01:11:06.498 --> 01:11:10.168
for cancer. In March, I had a dead cell phone or a

01:11:10.177 --> 01:11:14.057
dead phone and a doctor suspecting a heart attack who

01:11:14.067 --> 01:11:17.109
told me to go to the nearest er, to get help. I

01:11:17.118 --> 01:11:20.908
left my home and walked down the public street until

01:11:20.918 --> 01:11:24.408
I could flag down someone to drive me to the hospital

01:11:24.937 --> 01:11:28.427
at and T spends a large sums of money lobbying for

01:11:28.437 --> 01:11:32.168
its own self interests at and T has proven ability

01:11:32.177 --> 01:11:35.148
and infrastructure for landline service, which frontier

01:11:35.158 --> 01:11:39.538
does not. And I ask for a functioning well maintained

01:11:39.548 --> 01:11:44.738
landline. We need the CPS help cpc's help to assure

01:11:44.748 --> 01:11:48.278
the resilient redundant, reliable phone service in

01:11:48.288 --> 01:11:52.758
California at and TS a application of landlines limits

01:11:52.769 --> 01:11:56.577
diversity and danger in communication. As California

01:11:56.589 --> 01:12:01.567
wildfires and Maui's ongoing tragedy proves cell service

01:12:01.577 --> 01:12:06.878
fails in emergencies. Please save and maintain at and

01:12:06.888 --> 01:12:12.128
Ts copper landlines. Thank you. Thank you. Our next

01:12:12.138 --> 01:12:17.687
speakers are Jess Myers, Leslie Dialer

01:12:17.687 --> 01:12:24.988
and Ryan Deer.

01:12:24.988 --> 01:12:27.498
Good afternoon, President Reynolds and the commissioners

01:12:27.508 --> 01:12:30.197
My name is Jess Myers. I'm a resident of the Bay Area

01:12:30.209 --> 01:12:33.019
and I serve as Legal Advocacy Council for Chamber of

01:12:33.028 --> 01:12:36.219
Progress. A tech industry coalition committed to ensuring

01:12:36.229 --> 01:12:39.317
all Americans benefit from technological leaps. Our

01:12:39.327 --> 01:12:41.519
corporate partners include companies like Cruz and

01:12:41.528 --> 01:12:44.638
Waymo, but our partners do not have a vote nor a veto

01:12:44.648 --> 01:12:47.604
over our positions. We urge the commission to vote

01:12:47.613 --> 01:12:52.964
in favor of draft resolution. TL 19 144 and TL 19 145

01:12:52.984 --> 01:12:55.423
which would grant both Waymo and Cruz's respective

01:12:55.432 --> 01:12:57.883
applications to provide transportation service to the

01:12:57.894 --> 01:13:01.403
public in autonomous vehicles under the ongoing jurisdiction

01:13:01.413 --> 01:13:04.793
of the CPC. Over the past year, San Francisco experienced

01:13:04.802 --> 01:13:07.523
record traffic fatalities making the safety benefits

01:13:07.533 --> 01:13:10.927
of avs urgently needed. We applaud the commission's

01:13:10.937 --> 01:13:13.427
commitment to promoting safety and its regulation of

01:13:13.437 --> 01:13:16.128
its passenger carriers particularly as it relates to

01:13:16.138 --> 01:13:19.109
AVS according to the draft resolution, Waymo and Cruise's

01:13:19.118 --> 01:13:21.798
technology policies and procedures have successfully

01:13:21.807 --> 01:13:24.778
demonstrated a commitment to passenger safety by meeting

01:13:24.788 --> 01:13:28.724
the passenger safety plan minimum for these reasons

01:13:28.734 --> 01:13:31.423
We urge the commission to vote to approve Waymo and

01:13:31.432 --> 01:13:34.153
Cruz's draft resolution so that they may continue to

01:13:34.163 --> 01:13:36.932
advance the safe commercial deployment of autonomous

01:13:36.942 --> 01:13:39.793
vehicles and bring their benefits to more Californians

01:13:39.802 --> 01:13:43.273
including San Francisco residents and workers. Thank

01:13:43.283 --> 01:13:49.138
you for your time. Thank you.

01:13:49.138 --> 01:13:53.067
Are you Mr Door? Yes. Ok. Maybe we switch the order

01:13:53.077 --> 01:13:56.048
I think. Is that ok? Ok, great. Thank you. Please go

01:13:56.057 --> 01:13:58.988
ahead Mr Dor. My name is Ryan Deer. I have been a

01:13:58.998 --> 01:14:03.128
San Francisco resident since 2011 and I'm recently

01:14:03.138 --> 01:14:07.758
a new property owner. This is Pumpkin. She is a service

01:14:07.769 --> 01:14:10.599
animal. She is a guide dog. Her service she performs

01:14:10.609 --> 01:14:14.528
she guides me. I am totally blind. In the last month

01:14:14.538 --> 01:14:19.469
I have had three Uber drivers very explicitly deny

01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:22.248
pumpkin access to their vehicles simply because she

01:14:22.258 --> 01:14:26.349
is a service animal. This is not something that an

01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:30.269
autonomous vehicle is going to do. No autonomous vehicle

01:14:30.278 --> 01:14:34.557
is going to have this particular bias. Another thing

01:14:34.567 --> 01:14:39.817
to consider is that when we as blind people are traveling

01:14:40.577 --> 01:14:44.339
and trying to communicate with current ride share drivers

01:14:44.349 --> 01:14:47.378
sometimes this can be difficult. I am able to use an

01:14:47.388 --> 01:14:50.269
application on my phone that is fully accessible to

01:14:50.278 --> 01:14:53.548
do things like make the vehicle honk to be able to

01:14:53.557 --> 01:14:58.209
find it acoustically. I have high levels of what are

01:14:58.219 --> 01:15:01.197
called orientation and mobility skills. This makes

01:15:01.209 --> 01:15:04.668
me very independent, these vehicles add to my independence

01:15:04.677 --> 01:15:08.408
and I strongly encourage you to vote. Yes, thank you

01:15:09.118 --> 01:15:14.168
Thank you.

01:15:14.168 --> 01:15:18.548
Next, we have Leslie Dalian Dier. Good morning, President

01:15:18.557 --> 01:15:21.258
Reynolds and Commissioners I'd like to speak about

01:15:21.269 --> 01:15:24.817
the public's need to keep both copper at and T landline

01:15:24.827 --> 01:15:28.638
phone servers also known as pots, plain old telephone

01:15:28.648 --> 01:15:33.668
service and at and TS DSL wired internet connection

01:15:33.839 --> 01:15:37.918
which receives data via a copper telephone landline

01:15:38.258 --> 01:15:42.089
These two communication mediums do not expose users

01:15:42.099 --> 01:15:46.798
to harmful amounts of electromagnetic radiation. Seniors

01:15:46.807 --> 01:15:50.177
also depend on at and T copper landline phones. I know

01:15:50.187 --> 01:15:54.057
this first hand because I am a caregiver and to seniors

01:15:54.067 --> 01:15:57.859
and landlines are their connection to the world outside

01:15:58.238 --> 01:16:01.798
and the fact that landline phone, audio quality is

01:16:01.807 --> 01:16:07.128
superior. Excuse me to absolutely is superior. It's

01:16:07.138 --> 01:16:12.067
essential for seniors with hearing difficulties to

01:16:12.077 --> 01:16:16.868
have this type of phone service for a senior at and

01:16:16.878 --> 01:16:20.769
T copper. Landline phones are the simplest and easiest

01:16:20.778 --> 01:16:27.177
communication device to use. Thank you very much. Thank

01:16:27.187 --> 01:16:31.538
you. The next three speakers are Sheila French, Rebecca

01:16:31.548 --> 01:16:59.846
Miller and Sue Vaugh.

01:16:59.846 --> 01:17:02.699
Oh,

01:17:02.699 --> 01:17:06.137
my name is Shea French and I am the Transit organizing

01:17:06.149 --> 01:17:10.468
Director of Senior and Disability Action. We reach

01:17:10.478 --> 01:17:13.568
5000 seniors and people with disabilities in the Bay

01:17:13.578 --> 01:17:18.238
area. We oppose the draft resolutions. We want more

01:17:18.248 --> 01:17:21.728
regulation. We want the public to continue to have

01:17:21.738 --> 01:17:25.679
a voice in making this technology accessible, affordable

01:17:25.689 --> 01:17:29.278
and safe. There are no wheelchair accessible vehicles

01:17:29.288 --> 01:17:32.857
on the road, they don't pick up or drop off at the

01:17:32.867 --> 01:17:37.357
curb which endangers people's lives. And cruz have

01:17:37.367 --> 01:17:39.988
been in conversation with the disability community

01:17:39.998 --> 01:17:43.828
which we appreciate, but it would only take a change

01:17:43.837 --> 01:17:47.377
in CEO or falling stock for the accessibility, approve

01:17:47.387 --> 01:17:51.137
improvements. We need to get dropped. If it's left

01:17:51.149 --> 01:17:54.778
up to the companies, we need you to use your power

01:17:54.788 --> 01:17:58.107
to make accessible requirements that are specific and

01:17:58.117 --> 01:18:01.258
have a timeline and consequences for not following

01:18:01.269 --> 01:18:04.949
through until that happens. And other concerns are

01:18:04.958 --> 01:18:08.419
addressed. We urge you to vote. No,

01:18:08.419 --> 01:18:14.308
thank you. Our next speaker is Rebecca Miller.

01:18:14.308 --> 01:18:20.137
Hi. Oh, thank you. No problem. Hi. Uh I'm flying on

01:18:20.149 --> 01:18:23.857
the right side of both eyes. I take public transit

01:18:23.929 --> 01:18:28.718
to increase my freedom. A BS would need to be as affordable

01:18:28.728 --> 01:18:32.519
as public transit. They would need to drop me off at

01:18:32.528 --> 01:18:39.958
the curb. And I have concern also for pedestrians in

01:18:39.968 --> 01:18:45.019
addition to not mainly concern about A vs being fast

01:18:45.028 --> 01:18:49.877
but for myself. So somebody like myself with disabilities

01:18:49.887 --> 01:18:55.669
as well as pedestrians. And um so they need to not

01:18:55.679 --> 01:18:59.137
take away public transit options. Uh The only way to

01:18:59.149 --> 01:19:02.538
make that happen is to regulate them more. Please vote

01:19:02.548 --> 01:19:20.149
No, thank you. The next speaker is Sue Bon.

01:19:20.149 --> 01:19:22.847
Good afternoon commissioners. I'm going to urge you

01:19:22.857 --> 01:19:27.199
to vote. No, on the proposal to expand Robo taxi operations

01:19:27.208 --> 01:19:30.968
in San Francisco. And um I'd like to point out that

01:19:30.978 --> 01:19:33.909
Waymo Cruz and our Google are sponsors of a number

01:19:33.919 --> 01:19:36.107
of the organizations that have submitted letters of

01:19:36.117 --> 01:19:40.087
support for this proposal to unleash unlimited numbers

01:19:40.097 --> 01:19:43.857
of Robotaxis on San Francisco's streets. These include

01:19:43.867 --> 01:19:46.419
the Richmond neighborhood center, Green Bell Alliance

01:19:46.508 --> 01:19:49.318
independent Living Resources and the Curry Senior Center

01:19:49.328 --> 01:19:51.689
among others. I didn't have time to research them all

01:19:52.208 --> 01:19:56.127
Additionally, when is that going to happen? This authorization

01:19:56.137 --> 01:20:00.387
falls under the same authorization for TNC. These vehicles

01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:03.137
have been congesting traffic and exacerbating pollution

01:20:03.149 --> 01:20:05.939
and especially global warming for a decade. Still.

01:20:05.949 --> 01:20:09.769
No. Er, I, now you're considering authorization and

01:20:09.778 --> 01:20:12.558
for an unlimited number of robotaxis that will compete

01:20:12.568 --> 01:20:15.439
for passenger taxis and our best tool for fighting

01:20:15.449 --> 01:20:19.127
climate change, our public transportation. Um I don't

01:20:19.137 --> 01:20:22.429
have time to read the passage from the document in

01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:26.377
which you talk about not doing the eir. I don't know

01:20:26.387 --> 01:20:30.929
why. Thank you. Thank you. Our next three speakers

01:20:30.939 --> 01:20:36.377
are Kathleen Sullivan, Michelle Cassano and Sage Korn

01:20:43.429 --> 01:20:46.238
Good morning commissioners. My name is Doctor Kathleen

01:20:46.248 --> 01:20:49.637
Sullivan and I am the executive director of open house

01:20:49.649 --> 01:20:53.679
I urge you to support the resolution granting Avi's

01:20:54.008 --> 01:20:57.968
and cruise the permit to provide a passenger, commercial

01:20:57.978 --> 01:21:00.968
driverless passenger service in San Francisco. I'm

01:21:00.978 --> 01:21:03.929
a rider of this service. Um And more importantly, my

01:21:03.939 --> 01:21:07.788
organization benefited from driverless vehicle service

01:21:07.798 --> 01:21:11.097
which weekly delivers groceries to home bound LGBT

01:21:11.107 --> 01:21:15.048
Q seniors throughout San Francisco when Waymo is permitted

01:21:15.058 --> 01:21:17.488
to provide driverless passenger service throughout

01:21:17.498 --> 01:21:20.269
our wonderful city, seniors who otherwise would be

01:21:20.278 --> 01:21:24.199
isolated in their homes will be able to safely travel

01:21:24.208 --> 01:21:27.149
to open house for social support service services,

01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:30.363
educational and enrichment program. It's important

01:21:30.373 --> 01:21:33.133
to recognize that many of the seniors that we serve

01:21:33.153 --> 01:21:36.953
have been victims of violence, discrimination and marginalization

01:21:37.353 --> 01:21:40.894
A Waymo car does not discriminate, it does not marginalize

01:21:40.903 --> 01:21:43.333
and it certainly does not cause violence towards its

01:21:43.343 --> 01:21:47.933
passengers. The safety of a vehicle for older LGBT

01:21:47.943 --> 01:21:51.083
San Francisco's San Franciscan is a transformative

01:21:51.093 --> 01:21:54.593
experience. I urge you to support the resolution. Thank

01:21:54.603 --> 01:22:01.258
you. Thank you. Next Michelle Cao,

01:22:01.258 --> 01:22:03.269
President Reynolds and Commissioners. Thank you for

01:22:03.278 --> 01:22:05.818
this opportunity to hear from the community about autonomous

01:22:05.828 --> 01:22:08.738
vehicles. My name is Michelle Cassano and I'm the executive

01:22:08.748 --> 01:22:11.278
director of the Richmond Neighborhood Center at the

01:22:11.288 --> 01:22:13.508
Richmond Neighborhood Center. We run food pantries

01:22:13.519 --> 01:22:15.798
and a home delivered groceries program where volunteers

01:22:15.808 --> 01:22:18.328
from the community come pick up groceries to drop off

01:22:18.337 --> 01:22:21.087
to Home Bound senior so that they can continue to cook

01:22:21.097 --> 01:22:24.748
and live independently as they age in place. Many of

01:22:24.758 --> 01:22:28.149
these managing over 100 volunteers as you can imagine

01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:30.788
that some, sometimes they're unable to pick up their

01:22:30.798 --> 01:22:34.269
bag for the week due to vacations or illnesses. We

01:22:34.278 --> 01:22:37.367
see the potential of having A vs, help our non driving

01:22:37.377 --> 01:22:40.909
staff during those times so that they can get food

01:22:40.919 --> 01:22:43.679
to and from folks to deliver food more efficiently

01:22:43.689 --> 01:22:47.337
and effectively without interruption A VS could also

01:22:47.347 --> 01:22:50.548
help our food insecure neighbors without cars get to

01:22:50.558 --> 01:22:53.058
and from our pantries, especially working parents who

01:22:53.068 --> 01:22:56.587
are on tight schedules, getting to and from work. Both

01:22:56.597 --> 01:22:59.429
Waymo and Cruz have been supporters of these ideas

01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:02.988
and the work that we do they demonstrate what true

01:23:02.998 --> 01:23:05.528
community partnership should look like? Personally

01:23:05.538 --> 01:23:08.488
I support AV vehicles. I have been on a total of 87

01:23:08.498 --> 01:23:13.387
rides in Waymo and have never felt safer in San Francisco

01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:16.478
Street. You can tell where every pedestrian and every

01:23:16.488 --> 01:23:19.258
bicyclist is on the screen in front of you and it never

01:23:19.269 --> 01:23:21.558
rolls through a stop sign and always goes the speed

01:23:21.568 --> 01:23:24.758
limit. I've even taken my family and friends and my

01:23:24.769 --> 01:23:29.748
80 year old aunt says it's a who? Thank you.

01:23:29.748 --> 01:23:33.078
All right, the next three speakers are oh, Sage Kor

01:23:33.087 --> 01:23:37.278
sorry. Thank you. Yes, please proceed. My name is Sage

01:23:37.288 --> 01:23:39.949
Koren and I live in the Sunset District. I'm a ceramic

01:23:39.958 --> 01:23:43.278
artist and a crossword puzzle constructor. I'm here

01:23:43.288 --> 01:23:46.208
today to encourage the commission to approve ao's application

01:23:46.328 --> 01:23:50.337
My top concern is safety. My primary mode of transportation

01:23:50.347 --> 01:23:54.409
is bicycle. I biked here today. I am a keenly aware

01:23:54.419 --> 01:23:56.468
that my biggest risk in biking is that I may be taken

01:23:56.478 --> 01:24:00.728
out by a distracted human driver. Humo is not the problem

01:24:01.568 --> 01:24:04.117
when I'm not biking. I prefer to walk most days. I

01:24:04.127 --> 01:24:06.328
walk to the public library to print out my word puzzles

01:24:06.649 --> 01:24:09.528
This requires me to cross 19th Avenue. When I get the

01:24:09.538 --> 01:24:12.568
walk signal, I count how many human driven cars accelerate

01:24:12.578 --> 01:24:15.137
through the red light or make an illegal left turn

01:24:15.449 --> 01:24:18.228
through the crossing pedestrians. Yesterday, there

01:24:18.238 --> 01:24:21.058
were four red light runners and one illegal left. It

01:24:21.068 --> 01:24:24.488
has never been a Waymo

01:24:24.488 --> 01:24:26.828
when I'm not walking or biking, I do ride Way mo I

01:24:26.837 --> 01:24:29.468
have taken 183 trips as a member of the trusted tester

01:24:29.478 --> 01:24:33.068
program. My reality is that the Waymo driver is already

01:24:33.078 --> 01:24:35.738
safer than human drivers and it keeps getting better

01:24:35.748 --> 01:24:38.877
with every trip. I strongly believe the responsible

01:24:38.887 --> 01:24:41.298
deployment of autonomous vehicles is making our city

01:24:41.308 --> 01:24:44.159
safer. I encourage the commission to approve the application

01:24:44.258 --> 01:24:48.238
Thank you. Thank you. Our next three speakers are Sean

01:24:48.248 --> 01:25:18.607
Durkin, Adam Zoo and uh R Wang.

01:25:18.607 --> 01:25:20.837
All right, please proceed. Thank you. Good afternoon

01:25:20.847 --> 01:25:22.899
commissioners, President Reynolds and thank you for

01:25:22.909 --> 01:25:26.659
your time. My name is Sean Durkin. I'm a rider in driverless

01:25:26.669 --> 01:25:28.919
vehicles, a machine learning engineer and a resident

01:25:28.929 --> 01:25:32.357
of San Francisco. I rise today in support of the resolution

01:25:32.367 --> 01:25:34.929
to expand access to this revolutionary accessibility

01:25:34.939 --> 01:25:37.949
technology for three reasons. First, as a gender non

01:25:37.958 --> 01:25:40.738
conforming person, I have chosen a particular presentation

01:25:40.748 --> 01:25:44.699
today. This is not how I always present in those circumstances

01:25:44.708 --> 01:25:47.097
I had experienced ride share drivers who had left me

01:25:47.107 --> 01:25:49.458
on the side of the street refused to open their vehicles

01:25:50.357 --> 01:25:53.038
Drivers can discriminate against vulnerable populations

01:25:53.048 --> 01:25:55.478
including queer black and trans folks far more than

01:25:55.488 --> 01:25:58.528
any computer. Second, as a machine learning engineer

01:25:58.538 --> 01:26:01.318
I know well, the complexities of deploying these systems

01:26:01.328 --> 01:26:04.068
I do not have any financial or other stake in self

01:26:04.078 --> 01:26:07.159
driving, but I have worked on safety fairness, bias

01:26:07.169 --> 01:26:09.758
and antitrust, often seeking to regulate the very tech

01:26:09.769 --> 01:26:12.439
companies that are accused of sponsoring the supporters

01:26:12.449 --> 01:26:16.107
of Avis here today. Third, ensuring the future of San

01:26:16.117 --> 01:26:18.278
Francisco is the technological engine, not only of

01:26:18.288 --> 01:26:21.679
California, but of the world requires our support for

01:26:21.689 --> 01:26:24.597
this acceleration of technological progress. Fleets

01:26:24.607 --> 01:26:27.587
of autonomous electric vehicles powered by green energy

01:26:27.597 --> 01:26:30.538
reducing the need for private vehicles are an essential

01:26:30.548 --> 01:26:33.607
part of that future. Your decision here today will

01:26:33.617 --> 01:26:37.107
echo far beyond this room. You have a choice between

01:26:37.117 --> 01:26:41.328
stagnation and growth between hope and fear. I ask

01:26:41.337 --> 01:26:43.857
you to choose, hope. I ask you to vote in favor of

01:26:43.867 --> 01:26:47.877
this resolution. Thank you. Thank you.

01:26:47.877 --> 01:26:51.798
Our next speaker is Adam. Y

01:26:51.798 --> 01:26:56.409
Hi. Uh My name is Autumn. I live in Hay Ashbury. We're

01:26:56.419 --> 01:27:00.058
asking you commissioners to allow some driverless cars

01:27:00.068 --> 01:27:04.097
by Waymo, not to ban humans from driving cars or public

01:27:04.107 --> 01:27:07.179
transportation. There will always be people who want

01:27:07.189 --> 01:27:10.778
to take cars driven by humans. My mom is very traditional

01:27:10.788 --> 01:27:13.637
and one of them, there will always be some workers

01:27:13.649 --> 01:27:17.248
driving cars. It's not so black and white. We can have

01:27:17.258 --> 01:27:20.347
driverless cars and driver operated cars, coexist for

01:27:20.357 --> 01:27:23.508
people with different preferences. If you're afraid

01:27:23.519 --> 01:27:26.939
of people not wanting to take cars driven by humans

01:27:27.038 --> 01:27:30.208
you must ask yourself why you feel entitled to force

01:27:30.218 --> 01:27:33.328
people to do something against their will to deny them

01:27:33.337 --> 01:27:37.288
the right to a ride without a human stranger. If you're

01:27:37.298 --> 01:27:39.939
worried about driverless cars discriminating more than

01:27:39.949 --> 01:27:43.708
humans, regulate them so they have to be accessible

01:27:43.818 --> 01:27:47.367
Don't ban them entirely. I say this as a former regulator

01:27:47.377 --> 01:27:50.458
and policy maker, we don't have to be so afraid of

01:27:50.468 --> 01:27:53.409
progress in new technology. Technology can liberate

01:27:53.419 --> 01:27:56.847
humans from work, create abundance and empower us to

01:27:56.857 --> 01:27:59.218
spend our time doing what brings us joy and peace.

01:27:59.269 --> 01:28:07.097
Thank you. Our next speaker is R Wang.

01:28:07.097 --> 01:28:10.769
Hello everyone. My name is Rae Wang. Two years ago

01:28:10.778 --> 01:28:14.278
when I moved to San Francisco, I was often very frustrated

01:28:14.288 --> 01:28:18.278
by the riding journey with the unpredictable wait times

01:28:18.288 --> 01:28:21.929
the often prohibitive costs and the discomfort silence

01:28:21.939 --> 01:28:25.689
with the drivers which hampered my willingness to explore

01:28:25.699 --> 01:28:29.078
and connect with the city. With the advent of the Robo

01:28:29.087 --> 01:28:33.318
taxi. I found an entirely new level of freedom. These

01:28:33.328 --> 01:28:36.649
A vs were not constrained by the same issues they were

01:28:36.659 --> 01:28:40.748
available on demands and offer a consistent, reliable

01:28:40.758 --> 01:28:44.399
and cheap service. Robo Taxi has allowed me to fully

01:28:44.409 --> 01:28:47.978
immerse myself in San Francisco. They have become more

01:28:47.988 --> 01:28:50.847
than just a means of transportation. They have been

01:28:50.857 --> 01:28:54.758
an integral, integral part of my urban life. The full

01:28:54.769 --> 01:28:58.159
rollout of commercial driverless passenger services

01:28:58.169 --> 01:29:01.587
give me the new hope and the reasons to continue living

01:29:01.728 --> 01:29:05.169
and contributing in the city instead of the other location

01:29:05.179 --> 01:29:09.548
in the Bay area. I'm here to urge the CPC to expand

01:29:09.558 --> 01:29:13.519
the AV services to next.

01:29:13.519 --> 01:29:18.028
Thank you. The next three speakers are Brian Bernard

01:29:20.028 --> 01:29:28.718
via Fuentes, Maria Blanco de Mazzo.

01:29:28.718 --> 01:29:32.699
Hi, good afternoon. Um two years ago while I stopped

01:29:32.708 --> 01:29:34.597
at a red light, I was rear ended by a vehicle at

01:29:34.607 --> 01:29:45.058
50 MPH. Um, the driver wasn't paying attention.

01:29:45.058 --> 01:29:49.367
Try one more time, I'll try it again. Um, he never

01:29:49.377 --> 01:29:52.458
breaked. I was severely injured in the accident for

01:29:52.468 --> 01:29:55.409
the past two years. I've worked to regain my independence

01:29:56.498 --> 01:29:59.578
My story is one of thousands of people injured in this

01:29:59.587 --> 01:30:05.068
country each and every day by human error, drunk drivers

01:30:05.078 --> 01:30:09.949
and other, um, just human led accidents. Uh, autonomous

01:30:09.958 --> 01:30:14.117
vehicles represent a route to safer roads. Today. You

01:30:14.127 --> 01:30:16.538
have an opportunity before you to embrace a technology

01:30:16.548 --> 01:30:19.149
that promises to protect our friends, our families

01:30:19.409 --> 01:30:22.847
and our fellow residents of San Francisco. I call on

01:30:22.857 --> 01:30:24.958
you to exercise this duty in protecting our public

01:30:24.968 --> 01:30:34.748
safety. Thank you. Thank you.

01:30:34.748 --> 01:30:36.439
Ok.

01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:43.887
A

01:30:43.887 --> 01:30:50.929
she's ok.

01:30:50.929 --> 01:30:54.788
Is it Rosalia or Rosalinda?

01:30:54.788 --> 01:30:57.189
Hold up.

01:30:57.189 --> 01:31:00.568
Uh, Fuentes.

01:31:00.568 --> 01:31:02.788
Oh, ok,

01:31:02.788 --> 01:31:19.899
Peter Leah.

01:31:19.899 --> 01:31:22.669
Hello. My name is Victor Pala. I've been working for

01:31:22.679 --> 01:31:32.617
Uber for two years.

01:31:32.617 --> 01:31:35.909
I'm here because I'm totally against the idea that

01:31:36.968 --> 01:31:48.669
automatic drivers are working,

01:31:48.669 --> 01:31:52.149
first of all, because the driverless cars are gonna

01:31:52.159 --> 01:32:08.519
take the passengers away from Uber.

01:32:08.519 --> 01:32:13.387
I'm raising five Children and the, as the drivers expand

01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:16.199
as the driverless cars expand, they're gonna take away

01:32:16.218 --> 01:32:19.269
the work from us and I have five Children I'm trying

01:32:19.278 --> 01:32:21.409
to raise and I don't know how I'm gonna be able to

01:32:21.419 --> 01:32:30.419
do it with that work without that work.

01:32:30.419 --> 01:32:43.958
A

01:32:43.958 --> 01:32:47.887
so as I was coming in today, I saw a driverless car

01:32:47.899 --> 01:32:51.269
kill a dog and maybe it's a dog now. But when will

01:32:51.278 --> 01:32:54.949
it be an elderly person? A disabled person? Thank you

01:32:54.958 --> 01:33:02.718
very much. Thank you.

01:33:02.718 --> 01:33:07.278
Thank you. The next speaker is Maria Blanco de Monzo

01:33:12.269 --> 01:33:16.117
Ok. Uh Then we'll move to, uh I'll read out the next

01:33:16.127 --> 01:33:23.337
three starting with Alba Guzman. Um Santiago Cesar

01:33:23.347 --> 01:33:30.548
Uh

01:33:30.548 --> 01:33:50.568
um

01:33:50.568 --> 01:33:53.519
Yes. So I think this is a very essential, essential

01:33:53.528 --> 01:33:58.899
part of our city. I was attacked in 2019 because I

01:33:58.909 --> 01:34:01.798
was driving and I was attacked by someone. I think

01:34:01.808 --> 01:34:04.348
it's essential that we have driverless cars. Thank

01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:09.808
you very much. Thank you.

01:34:09.808 --> 01:34:17.678
Next, we have uh Santiago

01:34:17.678 --> 01:34:22.368
Buenos Aires, Santiago. Uh So your resident in Santa

01:34:22.379 --> 01:34:35.736
Cruz?

01:34:35.736 --> 01:34:39.966
Yes, my name is I'm here because I want to talk about

01:34:39.977 --> 01:34:51.468
the transportation of driverless cars.

01:34:51.468 --> 01:34:55.258
I'm, I'm the head of a family and I've been, I'm driving

01:34:55.269 --> 01:35:10.359
for a lift for the last six years.

01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:14.038
These um, driverless cars are taking away the income

01:35:14.049 --> 01:35:19.247
that people need and driving. Um, the cost of lifting

01:35:19.258 --> 01:35:35.589
Uber up.

01:35:35.589 --> 01:35:39.227
So these are very dangerous cars. Imagine if there's

01:35:39.238 --> 01:35:42.109
an accident with one person driving, it would be even

01:35:42.118 --> 01:35:50.408
worse with a driverless car.

01:35:50.408 --> 01:35:59.417
Ok.

01:35:59.417 --> 01:36:01.868
So another point that I'd like to make is there are

01:36:01.879 --> 01:36:04.747
people that are gonna need help, for example, someone

01:36:04.758 --> 01:36:15.758
bringing their luggage into a car

01:36:15.758 --> 01:36:29.319
of the

01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:31.589
so, and there's also disabled people who are gonna

01:36:31.598 --> 01:36:34.468
need help getting in the car and imagine if there's

01:36:34.477 --> 01:36:38.658
a driverless car who is gonna help them disabled people

01:36:38.667 --> 01:36:49.578
get in the car,

01:36:49.578 --> 01:36:53.569
people that transport.

01:36:53.569 --> 01:36:57.198
So those of you who have the deciding power, please

01:36:57.368 --> 01:37:00.839
don't allow the driverless cars to continue. Thank

01:37:00.848 --> 01:37:03.839
you. Thank you.

01:37:03.839 --> 01:37:12.069
The next speaker is Cesar Polica.

01:37:12.069 --> 01:37:17.049
Good afternoon, everybody. Uh uh

01:37:17.049 --> 01:37:20.977
The gig work is rising. My name is and I'm an organizer

01:37:20.988 --> 01:37:28.339
of gay workers writing,

01:37:28.339 --> 01:37:31.558
driverless cars cannot communicate with passengers

01:37:31.569 --> 01:37:38.129
the way human driving cars are,

01:37:38.129 --> 01:37:41.828
they also are very congesting traffic in the city.

01:37:42.859 --> 01:37:51.519
Taxes,

01:37:51.519 --> 01:37:54.497
driverless cars, take away the income that people need

01:37:54.508 --> 01:37:58.667
to raise their families. Yes. Good work is rising.

01:38:02.078 --> 01:38:06.428
Um And that's why um workers rising would implore you

01:38:06.437 --> 01:38:11.578
to not continue with this project. Thank you. Thank

01:38:11.589 --> 01:38:16.828
you. Uh We have one more speaker uh for with interpretation

01:38:16.839 --> 01:38:26.178
That's Laura Fras.

01:38:26.178 --> 01:38:34.319
Good afternoon. My name is

01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:37.448
I'm a senior citizen, but I've been working driving

01:38:37.457 --> 01:38:44.977
Uber for the last six years.

01:38:44.977 --> 01:38:50.948
And that's why I've chosen to speak in Spanish

01:38:50.948 --> 01:38:53.578
because I feel that we don't have enough support in

01:38:53.589 --> 01:38:59.269
this language.

01:38:59.269 --> 01:39:02.129
I'm here against the robot cars. That's what I call

01:39:02.138 --> 01:39:10.178
them.

01:39:10.178 --> 01:39:22.207
And I only work half time at Uber.

01:39:22.207 --> 01:39:25.238
So they um don't drive, well, they drive very badly

01:39:25.247 --> 01:39:37.348
and I ran into them and at the stop sign.

01:39:37.348 --> 01:39:40.428
So the other reason is that I've seen four or five

01:39:40.437 --> 01:39:50.658
cars go through the stop and they don't do that.

01:39:50.658 --> 01:39:53.258
And the other reason is that there's not any help for

01:39:53.269 --> 01:40:03.167
older people.

01:40:03.167 --> 01:40:05.888
So for one thing, they, they don't have help to put

01:40:05.897 --> 01:40:08.727
luggage in the car and they also don't have help to

01:40:08.738 --> 01:40:12.727
put people, uh elderly people or disabled people in

01:40:12.738 --> 01:40:30.258
the car while at a hospital.

01:40:30.258 --> 01:40:33.589
So I'm also taking care of my two grandchildren and

01:40:33.598 --> 01:40:36.788
I only part time and I've had issues with these driverless

01:40:36.799 --> 01:40:40.359
cars. That's why I'm here in, excuse me, that's why

01:40:40.368 --> 01:40:45.397
I'm here in opposition to them. Thank you.

01:40:45.397 --> 01:40:48.118
That's all for today. Thank you so much. Thank you

01:40:49.109 --> 01:40:53.029
The next three speakers are Karen Williams, Graham

01:40:53.468 --> 01:40:58.198
Isam and Sarah Hoffman.

01:40:58.198 --> 01:41:04.158
Ok.

01:41:04.158 --> 01:41:08.167
One second,

01:41:08.167 --> 01:41:12.638
one day.

01:41:12.638 --> 01:41:15.328
Yeah.

01:41:15.328 --> 01:41:19.779
Um Good afternoon. My name is Karen Williams. I'm a

01:41:19.788 --> 01:41:23.019
15 year San Francisco resident. I live in the Castro

01:41:23.029 --> 01:41:26.549
District. This is Leonardo. I just woke him up. He's

01:41:26.558 --> 01:41:29.977
my guide dog puppy in training. Um I came here on my

01:41:29.988 --> 01:41:34.437
own accord. Uh I'm here to strongly urge you to allow

01:41:34.647 --> 01:41:38.078
and other autonomous vehicles, the permission for passenger

01:41:38.089 --> 01:41:41.187
service in the city and the state. Um One of the main

01:41:41.198 --> 01:41:45.957
reasons is personal safety. As a woman who frequently

01:41:45.968 --> 01:41:48.718
needs to take ride share or public transportation on

01:41:48.727 --> 01:41:51.937
a regular basis, and especially during evening hours

01:41:51.948 --> 01:41:54.629
I feel much safer knowing that I'm writing in a judgment

01:41:54.638 --> 01:41:58.988
free discrimination, free beer, free vehicle rather

01:41:58.997 --> 01:42:01.457
than one that you nervously navigate. We've all been

01:42:01.468 --> 01:42:04.319
there where you pretend to make the call to say here's

01:42:04.328 --> 01:42:06.118
the license plate of the car I'm in, you know, I'm

01:42:06.129 --> 01:42:08.408
calling my partner or you get off the bus, maybe a

01:42:08.417 --> 01:42:11.019
couple of stops early and end up in an area where you

01:42:11.029 --> 01:42:13.348
don't want to be all because you didn't feel safe.

01:42:13.988 --> 01:42:16.308
In addition to road safety, personal safety could be

01:42:16.319 --> 01:42:19.299
highly impacted in a positive way with cars like Waymo

01:42:19.308 --> 01:42:25.279
Cruise. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is Graham

01:42:25.288 --> 01:42:30.069
Isam.

01:42:30.069 --> 01:42:33.658
Hello, my name is Graham Isom and I was born and raised

01:42:33.667 --> 01:42:36.078
in San Francisco and I've lived here my whole life

01:42:36.089 --> 01:42:39.558
I am asking the commission today to consider the possible

01:42:39.569 --> 01:42:43.118
future impacts on jobs that expanding autonomous vehicles

01:42:43.129 --> 01:42:45.977
could have. We've already heard from service drivers

01:42:45.988 --> 01:42:49.397
who fear that their jobs will be automated away and

01:42:49.408 --> 01:42:51.519
they'll be unable to take care of their families. But

01:42:51.529 --> 01:42:54.687
I also encourage you to think of the 3.5 million truck

01:42:54.698 --> 01:42:57.928
drivers in the United States. And to think that Cruz

01:42:57.937 --> 01:43:00.667
is currently rolling out delivery vehicles that they

01:43:00.678 --> 01:43:04.727
call driverless delivery with the express intent of

01:43:04.738 --> 01:43:10.508
replacing delivery drivers, long haul truckers and

01:43:10.519 --> 01:43:13.928
affecting the livelihoods of millions of American families

01:43:13.937 --> 01:43:16.629
and millions of working people. I'm not saying that

01:43:16.638 --> 01:43:19.348
there can be no place for autonomous vehicles, but

01:43:19.359 --> 01:43:22.008
there can absolutely be no expansion of autonomous

01:43:22.019 --> 01:43:25.687
vehicles at the cost of middle class and working class

01:43:25.698 --> 01:43:31.408
and union jobs which this will take.

01:43:31.408 --> 01:43:33.468
Thank you all for your time. I appreciate you. Thank

01:43:33.477 --> 01:43:45.098
you, Sarah Hoffman,

01:43:45.098 --> 01:43:48.098
President Reynolds and Commissioners. My name is Sarah

01:43:48.109 --> 01:43:51.508
Hoffman and I'm here on behalf of the Autonomous Vehicle

01:43:51.519 --> 01:43:56.428
Industry Association or a dia we urge the commission

01:43:56.437 --> 01:43:59.417
to approve the draft resolutions, grounding cruises

01:43:59.428 --> 01:44:03.388
and Waymo permits as the commission itself has recognized

01:44:03.508 --> 01:44:06.707
A vs, have maintained good passenger safety records

01:44:06.888 --> 01:44:09.328
and the resolutions will provide more opportunities

01:44:09.339 --> 01:44:13.848
for San Francisco residents to access the safety, mobility

01:44:13.859 --> 01:44:18.988
and affordability benefits of A VS as an A V user myself

01:44:18.997 --> 01:44:21.308
I feel much more safe in an A V than I have

01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:24.589
with many human drivers, including those I'm related

01:44:24.598 --> 01:44:29.988
to. Um And the performance of A VS far exceeds that

01:44:29.997 --> 01:44:32.968
of traditional vehicles primarily because they remove

01:44:32.977 --> 01:44:37.839
human error and human emotions from the equation. In

01:44:37.848 --> 01:44:40.758
light of the demonstrated safety record of A VS and

01:44:40.769 --> 01:44:44.618
because crews and applications comply with all regulatory

01:44:44.629 --> 01:44:47.908
requirements. We encourage the commission to vote favorably

01:44:47.917 --> 01:44:50.609
on the draft resolutions. Thank you for your time.

01:44:50.718 --> 01:44:53.638
Thank you.

01:44:53.638 --> 01:44:58.288
We have one more speaker uh for interpretation uh Rosalita

01:44:58.299 --> 01:45:05.348
Munez.

01:45:05.348 --> 01:45:08.138
Uh

01:45:08.138 --> 01:45:20.977
I know

01:45:20.977 --> 01:45:39.008
I've been working for, for the past seven years.

01:45:39.008 --> 01:45:42.957
I'm not here to say that you should entirely quit having

01:45:42.968 --> 01:45:57.769
autonomous drivers.

01:45:57.769 --> 01:46:01.397
So the problem with them is they're taking away the

01:46:01.408 --> 01:46:05.089
necessary income and the necessary food and drink that

01:46:05.098 --> 01:46:25.468
people are gonna have raising their families.

01:46:25.468 --> 01:46:29.187
So I'm a single woman with two Children, raising two

01:46:29.198 --> 01:46:31.468
Children and I know a lot of single people raising

01:46:31.477 --> 01:46:35.578
kids and we depend on the income that we get from driving

01:46:35.589 --> 01:46:48.457
for these companies.

01:46:48.457 --> 01:47:00.319
Uh The uh the,

01:47:00.319 --> 01:47:04.008
so the thing is, is that with crews and the other autonomous

01:47:04.019 --> 01:47:08.769
driver, driverless cars, it is not being put into effect

01:47:08.779 --> 01:47:34.299
for people who need the income because they drive

01:47:34.299 --> 01:47:36.879
interfering.

01:47:36.879 --> 01:47:40.109
So also I have noticed that the driverless cars get

01:47:40.118 --> 01:47:43.029
to a place and they don't know like what to do and

01:47:43.038 --> 01:47:45.589
they don't know how to stop or which way to turn. And

01:47:45.598 --> 01:47:48.359
there's a lot of fire firemen that have to come out

01:47:48.368 --> 01:47:51.457
and save the people that could possibly be hit by these

01:47:51.468 --> 01:47:53.618
cars because they don't know where to go and how to

01:47:53.629 --> 01:48:09.008
get there.

01:48:09.008 --> 01:48:12.747
So I'm here to express my opinion and say please do

01:48:12.758 --> 01:48:17.977
not permit the continuing autonomous drivers from.

01:48:31.678 --> 01:48:35.089
So this is gonna be the issue that the middle class

01:48:35.098 --> 01:48:37.727
will not have the income, they need to support their

01:48:37.738 --> 01:48:45.058
families and this is not helpful for all of us.

01:48:45.058 --> 01:48:49.457
Thank you very much. Have a nice day. Thank you. Our

01:48:49.468 --> 01:48:54.819
next speakers are Regina Chao

01:48:54.819 --> 01:48:59.828
Chala Regina.

01:48:59.828 --> 01:49:04.859
I'll come back to you. I don't see her here. Ok. Um

01:49:04.888 --> 01:49:18.448
Lisa Moscow and Jennifer Laporta,

01:49:18.448 --> 01:49:22.917
I'm here to ask you to vote no for the at and

01:49:22.928 --> 01:49:27.638
T request to eliminate landlines. Social connection

01:49:27.647 --> 01:49:31.397
is a very important part of human health. The landline

01:49:31.408 --> 01:49:36.558
provides a quality and precision sound that can not

01:49:36.569 --> 01:49:41.279
be equaled by cell phones or by text or email in a

01:49:41.288 --> 01:49:45.118
society plagued by isolation, loneliness and environmental

01:49:45.129 --> 01:49:49.178
disasters of fire and flood, reliable communication

01:49:49.187 --> 01:49:52.957
can be a matter of life and death in a storm. In

01:49:52.968 --> 01:49:56.678
recent past, in Marin, the self towers were disabled

01:49:56.687 --> 01:49:59.397
So only people with landlines had the ability to make

01:49:59.408 --> 01:50:03.118
calls. We have already invested large amounts of money

01:50:03.129 --> 01:50:06.348
and labor to create the technology. For landlines.

01:50:06.727 --> 01:50:10.269
We need to maintain this technology. A device has been

01:50:10.279 --> 01:50:13.738
invented that can be installed in electric wire to

01:50:13.747 --> 01:50:17.118
tell us if there is a problem. A device which can even

01:50:17.129 --> 01:50:21.008
shut off the current in an emergency. I've asked you

01:50:21.019 --> 01:50:25.647
again. Please vote no on the AT&T attempt to eliminate

01:50:25.658 --> 01:50:36.089
landlines. Thank you, Jennifer Laporta.

01:50:36.089 --> 01:50:39.538
Hi, I'm from Santa Rosa and I live through the 2017

01:50:39.549 --> 01:50:43.658
Tubbs fire and the 2020 glass fire resulting in loss

01:50:43.667 --> 01:50:48.069
of many lives. The fire departments could not communicate

01:50:48.078 --> 01:50:51.078
with each other because the cell phone providers would

01:50:51.089 --> 01:50:55.707
not share their data plans. Adding to these disasters

01:50:56.348 --> 01:50:59.879
copper landlines are vital to emergency communication

01:50:59.888 --> 01:51:03.008
for all of us, especially when cell phone towers are

01:51:03.019 --> 01:51:07.508
damaged during natural disasters. I rely on my landline

01:51:07.519 --> 01:51:10.828
in part on my landline, in part because the reception

01:51:10.839 --> 01:51:15.698
is better than my cell phone and as was noted earlier

01:51:15.707 --> 01:51:19.839
quicker location for 911 from landline versus cell

01:51:19.848 --> 01:51:22.647
phone

01:51:22.647 --> 01:51:25.848
at and T has an obligation to be the carrier of last

01:51:25.859 --> 01:51:29.558
resort for landlines at. And Ts claim that customers

01:51:29.569 --> 01:51:31.879
can choose a different provider is false because other

01:51:31.888 --> 01:51:35.238
providers are not obligated to serve anyone. Please

01:51:35.247 --> 01:51:38.738
deny that at and t application to ensure that everyone

01:51:38.747 --> 01:51:42.727
including EMF disabled customers have access to voice

01:51:42.738 --> 01:51:46.457
service that is crucial for communication. Society

01:51:46.468 --> 01:51:49.308
must ensure that ef customers are not discriminated

01:51:49.319 --> 01:51:52.718
against. We cannot use cell phones and we rely on landlines

01:51:52.968 --> 01:51:58.038
Thank you. Thank you. Our next three speakers are Tarell

01:51:58.049 --> 01:52:21.738
George Rusty Caddy. Carolyn Leonard.

01:52:21.738 --> 01:52:24.647
Good afternoon commissioners. I'm Tarell George. I

01:52:24.658 --> 01:52:28.558
live in West Beren County and um, I'm here that to

01:52:28.569 --> 01:52:32.957
ask that AT&T not be allowed to dismiss its obligation

01:52:33.308 --> 01:52:40.269
to provide uh safe, reliable, uh, clear communication

01:52:40.598 --> 01:52:46.008
via, via the uh copper landlines. Um Yeah, I've been

01:52:46.019 --> 01:52:48.819
in West for, for over 40 years and pretty much every

01:52:48.828 --> 01:52:51.988
year we're out of power and dependent upon those lines

01:52:52.178 --> 01:52:57.529
Um, at one point, the expense of it was so much that

01:52:57.538 --> 01:53:01.937
I decided I would try to use the universe and the connections

01:53:01.948 --> 01:53:05.917
was always so unreliable and unclear that I had to

01:53:05.928 --> 01:53:08.839
go back to spending a whole lot more money for the

01:53:08.848 --> 01:53:13.638
AT&T um landline, but it's worth it for communication

01:53:13.647 --> 01:53:19.258
and safety. So I ask you to deny their request to dismiss

01:53:19.269 --> 01:53:23.788
their obligation. Thank you. Thank you, Rusty Caddy

01:53:33.678 --> 01:53:38.488
Hi. My name is Rusty Katie and I live in rural West

01:53:38.497 --> 01:53:42.678
Marin also and it's absolutely vital for us to live

01:53:42.687 --> 01:53:45.589
out there without a landline. We don't get very good

01:53:45.598 --> 01:53:48.988
cell service and we like it that way because we live

01:53:48.997 --> 01:53:52.109
with ems sensitive people. And in fact, their only

01:53:52.118 --> 01:53:55.069
communication with the outside world is through landlines

01:53:55.779 --> 01:53:58.029
And

01:53:58.029 --> 01:54:01.747
like the rest of California, we suffered through a

01:54:01.758 --> 01:54:05.138
lot of disasters. This winter, the power went out five

01:54:05.147 --> 01:54:09.218
times one time. It was out for five days. And our only

01:54:09.227 --> 01:54:12.247
communication with the outside world was our landline

01:54:12.549 --> 01:54:16.368
and we did have verse one time and when the power goes

01:54:16.379 --> 01:54:19.238
out for days at a time, then we're completely cut off

01:54:20.288 --> 01:54:23.477
Um, so I'm also here representing two other people

01:54:23.488 --> 01:54:25.977
who live on the land and they can't even come here

01:54:25.988 --> 01:54:29.578
today to represent themselves because of the Ems here

01:54:30.008 --> 01:54:34.578
And, uh, at and t hasn't communicated their intention

01:54:34.589 --> 01:54:38.968
to pull landlines. So I really urge you to deny their

01:54:38.977 --> 01:54:44.569
requests. We need a safe, reliable service and it disproportionately

01:54:44.698 --> 01:54:48.299
affects people who are disabled and elderly and who

01:54:48.308 --> 01:54:52.448
live rurally. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker

01:54:52.457 --> 01:54:57.497
is Carolyn Leonard. Good afternoon, honorable commissioners

01:54:57.508 --> 01:55:01.207
and staff. My name is Carolyn Leonard. Samra urging

01:55:01.218 --> 01:55:05.109
you to support copper landlines. I'm not here as an

01:55:05.118 --> 01:55:09.758
environmentalist. I'm not here as a leader of the largest

01:55:09.769 --> 01:55:13.417
homeowners station in San Rafael, nor as the leader

01:55:13.428 --> 01:55:18.049
of a coalition of 37 homeowner associations representing

01:55:18.058 --> 01:55:21.519
a zip code in Marin County. I'm not here as a cert

01:55:21.529 --> 01:55:24.879
community emergency response instructor, federally

01:55:24.888 --> 01:55:28.569
certified. I'm not here as a former fire commissioner

01:55:28.888 --> 01:55:32.368
I'm not here as a realtor of 22 years but, or a

01:55:32.379 --> 01:55:36.019
citizen of the year, I'm here as a friend of someone

01:55:36.029 --> 01:55:40.508
who's disabled and asks me to come in her stead, I'm

01:55:40.519 --> 01:55:44.147
here as a citizen and a third generation Californian

01:55:44.839 --> 01:55:49.667
Um What is important is that you understand why? And

01:55:49.678 --> 01:55:53.667
what is the basis of your decisions today on any subject

01:55:53.968 --> 01:56:00.089
Are you clear on your values that you are of acting

01:56:00.098 --> 01:56:04.779
on in the environment? You would lose resilience. The

01:56:04.788 --> 01:56:08.508
economics would be that more electricity would be required

01:56:08.727 --> 01:56:12.227
ethically, you're increasing the digital divide. So

01:56:12.238 --> 01:56:15.388
what are your values that you're choosing to act on

01:56:15.457 --> 01:56:18.038
Because there are advantages and disadvantages from

01:56:18.109 --> 01:56:22.348
any proposal that you see here? I support the protest

01:56:22.359 --> 01:56:27.269
of Nina uh beat, beat and hope you have a chance to

01:56:27.279 --> 01:56:30.928
read that. Appreciate the time today. Thank you. Good

01:56:30.937 --> 01:56:34.658
day. Thank you. Our next three speakers are Jackson

01:56:34.667 --> 01:56:53.098
nut beers, Jason Sap Ford and OK. Uh Kinko.

01:56:53.098 --> 01:56:56.808
Thank you. Hi, my name is Jackson and I'm speaking

01:56:56.819 --> 01:56:59.437
on behalf of the San Francisco Chamber of Commerce

01:56:59.707 --> 01:57:02.078
Uh The San Francisco Chamber of Commerce urges the

01:57:02.089 --> 01:57:04.477
California Public Utilities Commission to approve without

01:57:04.488 --> 01:57:06.908
delay the expansion of the operations of autonomous

01:57:06.917 --> 01:57:10.977
vehicles in San Francisco right now. We need innovative

01:57:10.988 --> 01:57:14.158
businesses like and Cruz to help revitalize our city

01:57:14.167 --> 01:57:17.977
and to put us on a sustainable path to meet the climate

01:57:17.988 --> 01:57:21.558
action plan goals. If the California Public Utilities

01:57:21.569 --> 01:57:24.598
Commission approves the wide scale commercial use of

01:57:24.609 --> 01:57:27.658
these autonomous vehicles. It would bring lasting benefits

01:57:27.667 --> 01:57:30.589
for businesses, large and small their workers and local

01:57:30.598 --> 01:57:34.997
communities. Humo cruises service also creates excitement

01:57:35.008 --> 01:57:37.758
among residents and visitors, encouraging them to enjoy

01:57:37.769 --> 01:57:40.397
and explore the city, bringing much needed energy into

01:57:40.408 --> 01:57:42.988
the local economy. The Chamber of Commerce urges the

01:57:42.997 --> 01:57:45.698
commission to vote. Yes. On expansion of autonomous

01:57:45.707 --> 01:57:49.538
vehicles in San Francisco. Thank you. Thank you. The

01:57:49.549 --> 01:57:55.779
next speaker is Jason Sad.

01:57:55.779 --> 01:57:58.147
My name is Jason Spafford and I live in the mission

01:57:58.158 --> 01:58:02.109
I'm your neighbor. I want CPC to vote. Yes on AV technology

01:58:02.558 --> 01:58:05.069
San Francisco truly believes in having zero traffic

01:58:05.078 --> 01:58:07.868
deaths. Then the city has the moral obligation to support

01:58:07.879 --> 01:58:11.529
life saving AV technology. When my wife and I take

01:58:11.538 --> 01:58:14.477
our dog for a walk, there are so many instances of

01:58:14.488 --> 01:58:17.698
drivers flying past us inches away, completely ignoring

01:58:17.707 --> 01:58:21.428
stop signs, taking illegal turns. But guess what? I

01:58:21.437 --> 01:58:24.658
never ever have to guess if Cruz is going to decide

01:58:24.667 --> 01:58:28.269
to follow the traffic rules today, no matter what time

01:58:28.279 --> 01:58:31.589
of day how it was feeling at work. If it received some

01:58:31.598 --> 01:58:36.178
bad news, self driving cars always create a safe environment

01:58:36.207 --> 01:58:40.957
for my wife, my dog and myself. I'm tired of watching

01:58:40.968 --> 01:58:44.519
my family be put in danger and we have a solution to

01:58:44.529 --> 01:58:47.928
the danger that human drivers cause which nobody is

01:58:47.937 --> 01:58:51.109
really addressing. And I think self driving cars are

01:58:51.118 --> 01:58:54.667
infinitely better than human drivers right now and

01:58:54.678 --> 01:58:57.167
I'm going to take a bike to go to work after this

01:58:57.258 --> 01:58:59.948
And I hope I don't get hit by a terrible human driver

01:59:01.288 --> 01:59:15.029
Thank you. Thank you,

01:59:15.029 --> 01:59:18.058
honorable president, commissioners, staff members.

01:59:18.727 --> 01:59:22.187
My name is Alexander Poko. I have been a resident of

01:59:22.198 --> 01:59:27.437
San Francisco for over nine years. I urge the CPC to

01:59:27.448 --> 01:59:30.417
approve the resolution granting Bay more cruz and other

01:59:30.428 --> 01:59:34.569
auto, auto vehicle companies and grant them permit

01:59:34.578 --> 01:59:37.269
to provide commercial driverless passenger service

01:59:37.279 --> 01:59:41.658
in San Francisco. As a future driver, I'm looking forward

01:59:41.667 --> 01:59:43.957
to being able to access autonomous driving technology

01:59:43.968 --> 01:59:47.589
in San Francisco. I would use the technology both to

01:59:47.598 --> 01:59:52.917
commute to take to visit drugstores, hospitals, restaurants

01:59:52.928 --> 01:59:54.549
go shopping and errands.

01:59:54.928 --> 01:59:57.778
Most of all, I'm excited about the safety, sustainability

01:59:57.789 --> 02:00:00.239
and accessibility benefits that autonomous vehicle

02:00:00.247 --> 02:00:04.299
companies offer

02:00:04.299 --> 02:00:08.859
was a famous driver, autonomous, other autonomous vehicle

02:00:08.868 --> 02:00:12.799
companies. They know how to avoid collisions better

02:00:12.809 --> 02:00:18.329
than any other human uh alternative driver and has

02:00:18.338 --> 02:00:21.998
always improving safety for the road users, cyclists

02:00:22.007 --> 02:00:26.878
pedestrians and public roads. Uh Recently I graduated

02:00:26.889 --> 02:00:30.347
from University of California and I know so many business

02:00:30.359 --> 02:00:35.728
advantages of this impressive innovative technology

02:00:35.859 --> 02:00:39.147
But today, I would like to address your commission

02:00:39.158 --> 02:00:43.167
because I think it brings a lot of safety advantages

02:00:43.179 --> 02:00:46.658
that no other human alternatives can provide as of

02:00:46.667 --> 02:00:51.838
now. Thank you. Thank you. Our next speakers are Brian

02:00:51.847 --> 02:00:54.789
mcconn. Oh, I'm, yeah, that's right, Brian mcconnell

02:00:54.799 --> 02:01:13.919
Alvaro Silberstein and Kim Hah.

02:01:13.919 --> 02:01:17.008
Hello, I'm Brian mcconnell. I'm a 30 year San Francisco

02:01:17.018 --> 02:01:20.607
resident and I'm also a licensed pilot autopilot has

02:01:20.618 --> 02:01:23.988
been used in aviation for decades and that automation

02:01:23.997 --> 02:01:27.178
is one reason why not one person has died in a US

02:01:27.187 --> 02:01:31.368
airline crash in 14 years. We have zero tolerance for

02:01:31.378 --> 02:01:35.589
airline airline fatalities. Yet we allow tens of thousands

02:01:35.598 --> 02:01:39.878
of people to die on our roads each year. From my experience

02:01:39.887 --> 02:01:42.818
av technology is already on par with human drivers

02:01:43.077 --> 02:01:45.799
and it will only continue to improve exponentially

02:01:46.059 --> 02:01:48.568
I also say this as somebody who is skeptical of AV

02:01:48.577 --> 02:01:51.857
technology up until fairly recently when I started

02:01:51.868 --> 02:01:55.658
riding, I would ask you to vote yes, to expand the

02:01:55.669 --> 02:01:58.747
permits for Weibo and Cruz. And also I just want to

02:01:58.758 --> 02:02:01.118
point out this is a public hearing in San Francisco

02:02:01.128 --> 02:02:04.958
about robot taxis and I don't see one robot costume

02:02:05.417 --> 02:02:09.049
R two D two. Where are you San Francisco? You're better

02:02:09.057 --> 02:02:12.998
than this. Thank you.

02:02:12.998 --> 02:02:18.118
Thank you. Um The next speaker is Alvaro Silberstein

02:02:29.718 --> 02:02:33.228
We can come back to Mr Silverstein. Let's go to Kim

02:02:33.238 --> 02:02:36.549
Hah.

02:02:36.549 --> 02:02:40.688
Mm

02:02:40.688 --> 02:02:43.678
Kim Han San Rael.

02:02:43.678 --> 02:02:46.928
Thanks for letting me speak today about at and Ts proposal

02:02:46.938 --> 02:02:50.659
to take out the copper infrastructure. First. I would

02:02:50.667 --> 02:02:52.738
like to mention that the last time I stood in this

02:02:52.748 --> 02:02:56.428
room, your past President Michael Peavey announced

02:02:56.438 --> 02:02:59.549
that as his good farewell gesture on the last day of

02:02:59.557 --> 02:03:03.387
his reign, he would give us an opt out for smart meters

02:03:03.778 --> 02:03:07.807
This gift has saved the lives of many people who have

02:03:07.819 --> 02:03:11.188
electromagnetic hypersensitivity and it was because

02:03:11.198 --> 02:03:13.738
of the installation of a smart meter on my electrical

02:03:13.748 --> 02:03:18.039
service that my life changed in a moment. The first

02:03:18.049 --> 02:03:22.018
person that I spoke to, who knew how to dance around

02:03:22.028 --> 02:03:27.398
this em or EMR as she had been similarly injured years

02:03:27.409 --> 02:03:31.198
before while working at Yahoo was Jolie Andrezak and

02:03:31.208 --> 02:03:34.518
sadly, we lost Jolie last year who ended up in a tiny

02:03:34.528 --> 02:03:37.718
shack on the Russian River. The medical examiner said

02:03:37.728 --> 02:03:40.778
that she died in her sleep from a bad heart. But it's

02:03:40.789 --> 02:03:44.077
my feeling that she died from a broken heart because

02:03:44.087 --> 02:03:46.357
she had been let down by the people in the world who

02:03:46.368 --> 02:03:48.539
were supposed to take care of her. Please say no to

02:03:48.549 --> 02:03:52.879
at and t thank you so much. Thank you.

02:03:52.879 --> 02:03:55.278
I'm going to call three more speakers and then we'll

02:03:55.289 --> 02:03:58.268
take a 10 minute break. We still have a number of people

02:03:58.278 --> 02:04:01.879
left and we do want to get to everyone. So we have

02:04:02.009 --> 02:04:09.438
Robert Ernst, Joshua Sanders and Shana Ray

02:04:09.438 --> 02:04:20.649
Mr Ernst.

02:04:20.649 --> 02:04:24.738
How are you doing? I'm Bob. Uh Well, here we are again

02:04:24.748 --> 02:04:28.089
uh different faces. Same problem. I have a question

02:04:28.097 --> 02:04:31.318
for you all. Uh anybody up there, a former uh utilities

02:04:31.327 --> 02:04:37.399
executive at and TPGE uh no response. Just what I thought

02:04:37.688 --> 02:04:44.748
Um uh the cp's very own rulebook, the revival. I quote

02:04:44.758 --> 02:04:49.308
from rule 2.6 regarding your concept of universal service

02:04:49.318 --> 02:04:52.219
quality, this is I quote, the commissioner's carrier

02:04:52.227 --> 02:04:55.438
of last resort requirements are the foundation of the

02:04:55.448 --> 02:04:59.577
universal service policy, ensuring that every customer

02:04:59.589 --> 02:05:02.209
is able to obtain voice service and that, that the

02:05:02.219 --> 02:05:06.818
public utility and that's PG and at and T is obliged

02:05:06.827 --> 02:05:10.907
to serve and serve end quote. The recent federal indictments

02:05:10.918 --> 02:05:13.758
of Trump are listed as three overlapping conspiracies

02:05:13.998 --> 02:05:17.407
to defraud to disrupt and to deprive these charges

02:05:17.418 --> 02:05:19.948
Could also be applied to at and T in their application

02:05:19.959 --> 02:05:23.459
to the CPC, they referred to taking down the copper

02:05:23.469 --> 02:05:26.448
wire landline system. Number one, this application

02:05:26.459 --> 02:05:29.068
would harm no one that's totally fraudulent. Number

02:05:29.077 --> 02:05:31.899
two at and T wants to disrupt, silence the voice of

02:05:31.907 --> 02:05:35.089
a disabled fringe minority of society that is critical

02:05:35.097 --> 02:05:37.948
of them because they have so often been done to by

02:05:37.959 --> 02:05:41.209
them. Number three at and T obviously wants to deprive

02:05:41.219 --> 02:05:43.678
them of their only voice and contact they have left

02:05:43.688 --> 02:05:46.428
with the outside world. Are you folks sitting up there

02:05:46.438 --> 02:05:49.399
in judgment going to allow AT&T to bully you by dictating

02:05:49.407 --> 02:05:52.589
to you an unreasonable timeline. I need to ask you

02:05:53.529 --> 02:05:56.248
what your rule book says. You make sure every customer

02:05:56.258 --> 02:05:59.428
has the kind of service they need. Thanks for the great

02:05:59.438 --> 02:06:02.748
thank you.

02:06:02.748 --> 02:06:07.878
Right. Next speaker is Joshua Sanders.

02:06:07.878 --> 02:06:12.928
Hi. My name is Joshua Saunders and I'm a member of

02:06:12.938 --> 02:06:16.748
the California Council, the Blind of San Francisco

02:06:16.959 --> 02:06:21.347
And I wanted to speak to you about autonomous vehicles

02:06:21.358 --> 02:06:23.618
And I wanted to speak a little differently about this

02:06:23.628 --> 02:06:26.227
issue. And the reason I'm going to speak differently

02:06:26.238 --> 02:06:29.928
is basically what you heard is either I'm for this

02:06:29.938 --> 02:06:33.358
issue or I'm against this issue. This is good or this

02:06:33.368 --> 02:06:38.758
is bad about it. And I wanted to say that I for

02:06:38.769 --> 02:06:41.977
a long time, have thought positively about haunted

02:06:41.988 --> 02:06:44.549
this vehicles and thought it would be a good thing

02:06:44.558 --> 02:06:49.108
for the future and stuff and what I wanted to say was

02:06:49.118 --> 02:06:51.657
that

02:06:51.657 --> 02:06:58.459
I want you to look at their issues and stuff and look

02:06:58.469 --> 02:07:05.269
into if you decide to grant their, their petition and

02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:10.488
what they want, then I also want you to provide required

02:07:11.488 --> 02:07:18.008
for safety regulations and ensure that they have safety

02:07:18.019 --> 02:07:22.219
requirements provided. And this is the time to do it

02:07:22.227 --> 02:07:25.787
because this is when they are asking to have their

02:07:25.799 --> 02:07:29.928
fleet expanded, trying to do that in the future would

02:07:29.938 --> 02:07:32.808
be much more difficult than doing it at this time.

02:07:33.299 --> 02:07:39.089
And also try to make sure that they have accessibility

02:07:39.097 --> 02:07:43.719
requirements provided for people like me who are visually

02:07:43.727 --> 02:07:47.299
impaired. For example, I got out of a lift vehicle

02:07:47.308 --> 02:07:51.899
today um out in front of this auditorium and the driver

02:07:51.907 --> 02:07:54.378
was able to say that I had arrived at the destination

02:07:54.387 --> 02:07:56.998
the app that I had provided that and I want to make

02:07:57.008 --> 02:08:03.657
sure that the app that Cruz and has has the same functionality

02:08:03.918 --> 02:08:08.769
Thank you. Thank you,

02:08:08.769 --> 02:08:17.738
MS Ray is next.

02:08:17.738 --> 02:08:22.428
Hi, my name is Shana Ray. Um I also came here by

02:08:22.438 --> 02:08:26.818
uh a lift today and

02:08:26.818 --> 02:08:30.808
the benefits of having a human driver is that if I

02:08:30.818 --> 02:08:34.227
call a lifter, an Uber, I can tell that the driver

02:08:34.239 --> 02:08:36.928
I can text them and say, please look for me. I'm blind

02:08:36.938 --> 02:08:40.528
I have a cane and I don't know how I would communicate

02:08:40.538 --> 02:08:45.369
with an autonomous vehicle also. Um As far as Cruz

02:08:45.379 --> 02:08:49.597
is concerned, they, they don't pick people up on the

02:08:49.607 --> 02:08:52.847
curb and they, and they drop people off in the middle

02:08:52.857 --> 02:08:56.428
of the street, which is extremely unsafe. I'm not opposed

02:08:56.438 --> 02:08:59.477
to autonomous vehicles, but I think there should definitely

02:08:59.489 --> 02:09:02.999
be some safety regulations in place at the, at the

02:09:03.009 --> 02:09:07.207
outset. Thank you. Thank you.

02:09:07.207 --> 02:09:11.438
Ok, we are gonna be taking a 10 minute break. Um, we'll

02:09:11.448 --> 02:09:15.847
be back in 10 minutes which is uh 1 32. Thank you

02:09:18.087 --> 02:09:22.148
Sure,

02:09:22.148 --> 02:09:38.009
momentarily. Thank you for your patience.

02:09:38.009 --> 02:09:46.957
Ok?

02:09:46.957 --> 02:09:48.857
Yeah,

02:09:48.857 --> 02:09:52.558
that all right, we're gonna get going again. If everybody

02:09:52.568 --> 02:10:35.268
could, please find a seat.

02:10:35.268 --> 02:10:38.268
Today's conference has resumed.

02:10:38.268 --> 02:10:41.639
Ok, thank you. Uh We do need to reestablish a quorum

02:10:41.648 --> 02:10:45.328
and uh, I'll note that Commissioner Douglas is necessarily

02:10:45.337 --> 02:10:49.768
absent and ask the agenda clerk to call the role. Commissioner

02:10:49.778 --> 02:10:56.678
John Reynolds. Commissioner Commissioner

02:10:56.678 --> 02:11:00.818
Alice Reynolds here. We have a quorum. We're back in

02:11:00.828 --> 02:11:04.389
the public comment portion of today's meeting. I'm

02:11:04.398 --> 02:11:09.438
going to be calling three individuals as the next commenters

02:11:09.448 --> 02:11:14.438
to provide their comments today. So the next commenters

02:11:14.448 --> 02:11:21.389
are Rena, we are Markowitz and then Frank Fay and John

02:11:21.398 --> 02:11:27.597
Potter.

02:11:27.597 --> 02:11:31.549
Good afternoon. Um I'm Renata Vivi and I've been a

02:11:31.558 --> 02:11:38.068
cab driver for 30 years and I just want to say my

02:11:38.078 --> 02:11:41.749
concern is always public safety and I like to drive

02:11:41.759 --> 02:11:45.658
and get my passengers safely wherever we go. I have

02:11:45.668 --> 02:11:49.707
a lot of ladies that I drive who are disabled, they

02:11:49.717 --> 02:11:53.068
appreciate it. I can get them in and out of the car

02:11:53.078 --> 02:11:56.629
with their walkers, their canes. I take them shopping

02:11:56.639 --> 02:12:00.288
We go inside, I go in the store with them shopping

02:12:00.389 --> 02:12:03.869
I help them with everything. Driverless car can't do

02:12:03.879 --> 02:12:09.438
that. And, and, and, and another thing, a car has to

02:12:09.448 --> 02:12:13.707
have a driver in it. It's insane not to have a driver

02:12:13.717 --> 02:12:17.607
in a car. I, I don't know why anybody can say that

02:12:17.619 --> 02:12:21.999
That's ok. I've, and I've been driving around all these

02:12:22.009 --> 02:12:26.268
driverless cars. One almost hit me when I was parked

02:12:26.278 --> 02:12:28.678
at Scott and Bush. I was waiting for a customer to

02:12:28.688 --> 02:12:33.227
come out from the tennis club there. And then, and

02:12:33.239 --> 02:12:37.107
it, it, it swerved and missed me by inches. And then

02:12:37.119 --> 02:12:41.678
uh, one customer told me they saw the driverless car

02:12:41.688 --> 02:12:45.288
hit a little dog. Another customer told me that they

02:12:45.299 --> 02:12:49.778
saw him hit a post. Uh, there was a, uh, several months

02:12:49.788 --> 02:12:53.759
ago a news report about the driverless car hitting

02:12:53.768 --> 02:12:56.928
the back of a bus that was on the news and that's

02:12:56.938 --> 02:13:00.739
just me and I, and I'm hearing and seeing, uh, fire

02:13:01.869 --> 02:13:06.107
on high street. Ok, block the fire truck, block the

02:13:06.119 --> 02:13:09.948
police cars. They stop in the middle of the intersection

02:13:10.038 --> 02:13:12.879
Those, those drivers cars, they'll stop at a green

02:13:12.889 --> 02:13:16.977
light and not move or they get behind. Thank you your

02:13:16.989 --> 02:13:21.389
time. I know. But they, they get behind a double parked

02:13:21.398 --> 02:13:23.629
car and they go back and forth because they don't know

02:13:23.639 --> 02:13:27.129
where to go or what to do. Nobody's reporting this

02:13:27.139 --> 02:13:31.139
or talking about this. I drive 10 hours a day and I

02:13:31.148 --> 02:13:34.389
see all these different things going on with these

02:13:34.398 --> 02:13:38.688
cars. They're not totally safe and a car needs a driver

02:13:38.698 --> 02:13:43.759
in it. Thank you very much.

02:13:43.759 --> 02:13:46.428
We appreciate everyone's comments. We do have a lot

02:13:46.438 --> 02:13:49.918
of folks who would like to speak today. So I ask everyone

02:13:49.928 --> 02:13:54.249
to pay attention to the timing, Frank Fay. Yeah, it's

02:13:54.278 --> 02:14:00.078
me. I'm a, I'm a retired taxi driver and uh, I, I

02:14:00.768 --> 02:14:05.227
what let me take, put it simply, I think it's ok for

02:14:05.239 --> 02:14:08.698
the suburbs and not for the cities, especially not

02:14:08.707 --> 02:14:13.249
San Francisco. I think it's got too many unique aspects

02:14:13.259 --> 02:14:18.058
to it. Um, but, and, and you're in that you're a state

02:14:18.068 --> 02:14:20.688
and you can, you can't really micromanage the counties

02:14:20.698 --> 02:14:26.107
I guess that's not an option. You know, I'm, I'm thinking

02:14:26.119 --> 02:14:30.038
of telling more stories about the, you know, people

02:14:30.049 --> 02:14:32.448
throwing up in the back and some of the guide dogs

02:14:32.457 --> 02:14:37.198
getting sick and, and, you know, pooping in the back

02:14:37.207 --> 02:14:39.879
and uh,

02:14:39.879 --> 02:14:45.808
having people fighting in the back

02:14:45.808 --> 02:14:48.889
things happen that sometimes you have to be a little

02:14:48.898 --> 02:14:53.078
captain of your little ship and, and fix them and uh

02:14:53.087 --> 02:14:57.658
I maybe that's possible remotely, but I doubt it. So

02:14:58.038 --> 02:15:01.078
I'll keep it simple.

02:15:01.078 --> 02:15:05.217
I asked the road down and uh, unless you

02:15:05.217 --> 02:15:15.818
thank you, the next speaker is John Potter.

02:15:15.818 --> 02:15:22.639
Yeah, good afternoon, John Potter. I'm not with Waymo

02:15:22.648 --> 02:15:29.938
or Cruz or any particular organization other than the

02:15:29.948 --> 02:15:34.357
EAC movement on Twitter, if that counts, which would

02:15:34.369 --> 02:15:37.918
be uh effective acceleration is. But I, I would just

02:15:37.928 --> 02:15:42.438
say there's a lot of fear and what I would, what I

02:15:42.448 --> 02:15:46.477
would in my view call emotionalism, which is understandable

02:15:46.768 --> 02:15:50.578
on this topic. And I would just urge people to look

02:15:50.587 --> 02:15:54.707
at the huge potential benefits of self driving cars

02:15:54.717 --> 02:16:00.268
and what they've already proven in the data, which

02:16:00.278 --> 02:16:04.288
I feel bears out pretty clearly, it's very safe, very

02:16:04.299 --> 02:16:07.607
effective, lots of potential to benefit the economy

02:16:08.148 --> 02:16:10.698
No one's going to be forced to use these cars. There

02:16:10.707 --> 02:16:13.698
will still be Uber and Lyft drivers for quite some

02:16:13.707 --> 02:16:18.428
time and I feel, you know, the benefits in my view

02:16:18.438 --> 02:16:23.249
very clearly outweigh the risks.

02:16:23.249 --> 02:16:27.518
Thank you. The next three speakers are Jennifer Walsh

02:16:27.749 --> 02:17:16.358
Max Gregor and Jason Beckham.

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Ok.

02:17:19.488 --> 02:17:25.147
My name is Jennifer Walsh and I work

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here to express our concerns regarding the resolution

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19145,

02:17:31.528 --> 02:17:46.969
one day

02:17:46.969 --> 02:17:49.689
of autonomous self driving vehicles as the ultimate

02:17:49.699 --> 02:17:52.858
assistive technology holds great promise, but it is

02:17:52.867 --> 02:17:56.117
crucial that appropriate safety standards and accessibility

02:17:56.127 --> 02:18:00.598
regulations are enforced by the CPUC. Many in the senior

02:18:00.608 --> 02:18:03.258
and disability communities cannot drive themselves

02:18:03.268 --> 02:18:06.647
and must rely on public transportation resulting in

02:18:06.657 --> 02:18:09.338
lengthy commutes of up to three hours round trip due

02:18:09.348 --> 02:18:13.558
to scheduling limitations as someone who relies on

02:18:13.568 --> 02:18:16.417
others to drive, I urge the commission to delay the

02:18:16.429 --> 02:18:20.748
draft resolutions at today's meeting instead taking

02:18:20.758 --> 02:18:23.518
a more incremental approach that prioritizes safety

02:18:23.528 --> 02:18:27.897
and accessibility in the long term. Thank you for listening

02:18:27.907 --> 02:18:33.068
and ensuring access to A vs for all abilities.

02:18:33.068 --> 02:18:41.238
Thank you. Our next speaker is Max Grego,

02:18:41.238 --> 02:18:43.799
president, members of the commission. Good afternoon

02:18:44.167 --> 02:18:46.758
My name is Max Gori and I'm an engineer in San Francisco

02:18:46.768 --> 02:18:49.689
and a cruise rider. I'd like to strongly urge the commission

02:18:49.699 --> 02:18:51.979
to approve the resolution granting the permit to A

02:18:51.988 --> 02:18:54.719
B companies. I'll start with a short example. I was

02:18:54.729 --> 02:18:57.508
just in China and on the streets of a large city, electric

02:18:57.518 --> 02:19:00.719
vehicles comprise about half of the traffic. California

02:19:00.729 --> 02:19:03.147
used to be the hotbed for innovation in electric vehicles

02:19:03.157 --> 02:19:06.008
but only about 7% of all cars sold last year in California

02:19:06.018 --> 02:19:09.248
are electric would definitely falling behind. But area

02:19:09.258 --> 02:19:11.127
companies are building the future of transportation

02:19:11.137 --> 02:19:13.268
right now and their technology is state of the art

02:19:13.278 --> 02:19:16.028
It is not absolutely safe but neither are distracted

02:19:16.038 --> 02:19:18.709
exhausted or aggressive cab drivers. As then if its

02:19:18.719 --> 02:19:21.469
cyclists, I can assure you of that the v safety numbers

02:19:21.479 --> 02:19:24.998
should be looked in contest of general car safety statistics

02:19:25.068 --> 02:19:28.689
accidents per miles driven is what matters. The comments

02:19:28.699 --> 02:19:30.929
saying technology is not ready also is missing the

02:19:30.939 --> 02:19:33.867
point. As an engineer with 23 years of experience,

02:19:33.877 --> 02:19:37.189
I can testify that no device or software can be completed

02:19:37.199 --> 02:19:39.939
in the lab without context without context for the

02:19:39.949 --> 02:19:42.588
real world. We can always add regulation later, but

02:19:42.598 --> 02:19:45.157
we can't make up for the last time. If we hold these

02:19:45.167 --> 02:19:47.258
companies back now, this technology will be built somewhere

02:19:47.268 --> 02:19:52.268
else. One can build the future by prioritizing perceived

02:19:52.278 --> 02:19:54.828
safety above everything else that lets us fall behind

02:19:54.838 --> 02:19:57.377
again. Please vote. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Our

02:19:57.387 --> 02:20:13.147
next speaker is Jason Beckham.

02:20:13.147 --> 02:20:17.979
Jason Beckham. You in the audience.

02:20:17.979 --> 02:20:22.518
Ok. Um I'll go to the next three speakers. We have

02:20:22.528 --> 02:20:29.508
James Naci, Nacio Tua, Eugene Choo and Charles Rael

02:20:39.238 --> 02:20:42.959
Hello, my name is James Nasso Tua and I'm a born and

02:20:42.969 --> 02:20:45.867
raised resident of San Francisco and a rider with crews

02:20:45.877 --> 02:20:48.397
and I fully support the expansion of autonomous vehicles

02:20:48.407 --> 02:20:51.568
in San Francisco. My experience using AVS has been

02:20:51.578 --> 02:20:54.127
a very helpful tool to ensure I get from point A to

02:20:54.137 --> 02:20:57.699
point B entirely safely. An electric autonomous vehicle

02:20:57.709 --> 02:21:00.038
ride ensures that I don't have to worry about unsafe

02:21:00.049 --> 02:21:02.498
driving while I'm in the vehicle. Nor do I have to

02:21:02.508 --> 02:21:05.848
fear for comments, harassment or worse, physical assault

02:21:05.858 --> 02:21:09.137
regarding my ethnicity, gender presentation or sexuality

02:21:09.147 --> 02:21:12.238
from human drivers. The rides, I take keep me safe

02:21:12.248 --> 02:21:14.518
coming home from late night shifts at work without

02:21:14.528 --> 02:21:17.088
fear. For days when I need a little more help, I also

02:21:17.098 --> 02:21:19.598
can appreciate that an AV will never turn me away on

02:21:19.608 --> 02:21:22.157
days. I need to use my cane and it lets me take

02:21:22.167 --> 02:21:25.088
my time entering an visiting a vehicle without moving

02:21:25.098 --> 02:21:27.439
before I'm ready. I can always know if it'll let me

02:21:27.449 --> 02:21:29.308
off on the correct side of the street. So I might easily

02:21:29.318 --> 02:21:31.657
get to the destination and I don't have to worry about

02:21:31.667 --> 02:21:34.248
judgment or comments when explaining my accommodations

02:21:34.258 --> 02:21:36.887
and it fills the gaps in public transit service. I

02:21:36.897 --> 02:21:39.387
would like to see the California Public Utilities Commission

02:21:39.397 --> 02:21:41.939
vote. Yes, on allowing AV expansion so that we can

02:21:41.949 --> 02:21:44.288
create a safer world for people like me, the often

02:21:44.299 --> 02:21:46.429
overlooked members of all communities who want to feel

02:21:46.439 --> 02:21:49.897
safe and accommodated above all else. Thank you. Thank

02:21:49.907 --> 02:21:56.799
you, Eugene Chow.

02:21:56.799 --> 02:22:00.808
Do we have Eugene Chow? Right. Let's go to Charles

02:22:00.818 --> 02:22:05.328
Right.

02:22:05.328 --> 02:22:08.078
Good afternoon. A bunch of people have spoken about

02:22:08.088 --> 02:22:11.049
how self driving cars will improve their lives. My

02:22:11.058 --> 02:22:14.058
grandmother's 92 can't drive and lives outside of the

02:22:14.068 --> 02:22:16.818
reach of public transit, self driving cars would give

02:22:16.828 --> 02:22:19.679
her and other seniors freedom that they have not experienced

02:22:19.689 --> 02:22:23.969
in years. But there's a quote about statistics often

02:22:23.979 --> 02:22:27.199
attributed to philosopher Bertrand Russell that goes

02:22:27.209 --> 02:22:30.939
like this. The mark of a civilized human is the ability

02:22:30.949 --> 02:22:34.808
to look at a column of numbers and weep. That sounds

02:22:34.818 --> 02:22:38.929
a bit pompous. But I think it's appropriate here. I'm

02:22:38.939 --> 02:22:41.828
a resident of San Francisco and a physicist and I urge

02:22:41.838 --> 02:22:44.598
the commission to be quantitative and remember that

02:22:44.608 --> 02:22:47.387
the stories people have shared here today in this meeting

02:22:47.657 --> 02:22:51.709
represent a truly enormous daily impact every single

02:22:51.719 --> 02:22:54.748
day without self driving cars. 10 Californians are

02:22:54.758 --> 02:22:58.768
killed, about 100 Americans, another 200 Californians

02:22:58.778 --> 02:23:01.407
and 2000 Americans are injured and there are literally

02:23:01.417 --> 02:23:05.429
millions who cannot drive and are unnecessarily prevented

02:23:05.439 --> 02:23:08.127
from going where they need to go to live their best

02:23:08.137 --> 02:23:11.729
life every day matters. Please approve the expansion

02:23:11.738 --> 02:23:15.137
of self driving cars without delay. Thank you. Thank

02:23:15.147 --> 02:23:21.838
you. The next three speakers are Jose Quintero, Patrick

02:23:21.848 --> 02:23:26.528
Mulligan and Christine Willey.

02:23:26.528 --> 02:23:28.979
Good afternoon. My name is Jose Quintero and I live

02:23:28.988 --> 02:23:32.469
in the out of Richmond. Um about 20 years ago, my daughter

02:23:32.479 --> 02:23:35.637
was born at home and however, we had not planned for

02:23:35.647 --> 02:23:38.799
home birth. That meant I got my first and only ride

02:23:38.808 --> 02:23:41.598
in the front seat of an ambulance. And what I saw that

02:23:41.608 --> 02:23:44.729
day, I will never forget so many cars that did knock

02:23:44.738 --> 02:23:47.828
it out of the way. The one, the one woman who looked

02:23:47.838 --> 02:23:51.799
at us clearly panic stricken as she turned, left in

02:23:51.808 --> 02:23:55.038
front of this ambulance that had its lights on and

02:23:55.049 --> 02:24:00.018
its um sirens on. I read some of the complaints from

02:24:00.028 --> 02:24:02.199
the emergency services and I don't want to minimize

02:24:02.209 --> 02:24:04.018
their concerns. I think they should be addressed and

02:24:04.028 --> 02:24:06.858
definitely you should hold the self driving cars feet

02:24:06.867 --> 02:24:08.808
to the fire on that, that they should address those

02:24:08.818 --> 02:24:11.647
problems. There are serious problems that should be

02:24:11.657 --> 02:24:15.189
fixed, but that is the thing, they can be fixed and

02:24:15.199 --> 02:24:17.598
that's a real promise of autonomous vehicles. Once

02:24:17.608 --> 02:24:21.488
a problem is fixed, it stays fixed. Um And for that

02:24:21.498 --> 02:24:24.038
reason, I urge you to approve the draft resolution

02:24:24.049 --> 02:24:29.498
Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is Christine

02:24:29.508 --> 02:24:40.209
will help me.

02:24:40.209 --> 02:24:43.219
Good afternoon. My name is Christina. I live in Haight

02:24:43.229 --> 02:24:46.738
Ashbury. So I'm speaking as a private person who experience

02:24:47.288 --> 02:24:51.719
non autonomous vehicles in present life every day.

02:24:51.917 --> 02:24:54.998
The group cars, way more cars are all over the street

02:24:55.008 --> 02:24:59.288
every day. And I'm a pedestrian and a bicyclist in

02:24:59.299 --> 02:25:03.219
San Francisco and I've never feel safer. Those cars

02:25:03.229 --> 02:25:08.387
they stop when I'm around. Uh my experience with personal

02:25:08.397 --> 02:25:10.979
drivers in cars is totally different. I've been in

02:25:10.988 --> 02:25:14.199
dangerous situations here in San Francisco. I lost

02:25:14.209 --> 02:25:17.657
a family member to a traffic accident that was caused

02:25:17.667 --> 02:25:24.808
by a person who just fell asleep in the car. And um

02:25:24.818 --> 02:25:30.209
while I think yes, there are safety issues with autonomous

02:25:30.219 --> 02:25:33.959
vehicles. I do think they can be addressed and also

02:25:33.969 --> 02:25:36.788
see it as the same way as it was brought up. Um

02:25:36.799 --> 02:25:40.729
We have to look at the credit data as well and it

02:25:40.738 --> 02:25:45.038
supports that autonomous vehicles are safe. So I would

02:25:45.049 --> 02:25:48.647
like you to put. Yes, on the application. Thank you

02:25:48.887 --> 02:25:53.689
Thank you. Our next speaker is Ja our next three speakers

02:25:53.699 --> 02:25:59.078
Uh Jason Munder, Michael Smith, Jefferson. So we have

02:25:59.088 --> 02:26:11.258
uh Jason Munder first.

02:26:11.258 --> 02:26:14.147
Hello, my name is Jason Mundlow. I'm a San Francisco

02:26:14.157 --> 02:26:17.417
native and a part time ride share driver. My concern

02:26:17.429 --> 02:26:20.367
is this, where does the money go when you get in my

02:26:20.377 --> 02:26:23.647
car? I spend about half of what you paid on fare on

02:26:23.657 --> 02:26:27.598
average back into the community when you pay for a

02:26:27.608 --> 02:26:30.058
ride in a driverless car, where does the money go?

02:26:30.367 --> 02:26:33.949
It's just gone. That money leaves the city when I'm

02:26:33.959 --> 02:26:36.679
paid for a ride. I spend it here and the person I'm

02:26:36.689 --> 02:26:39.528
paying it to, whether it's for food or rent also spends

02:26:39.538 --> 02:26:43.028
it locally and it circulates all of which is taxed

02:26:43.038 --> 02:26:46.068
for spending on infrastructure, including roads, money

02:26:46.078 --> 02:26:49.229
spent on driverless ride is just gone. Maybe it gets

02:26:49.238 --> 02:26:52.518
taxed once which will not be enough to pay the cost

02:26:52.528 --> 02:26:54.858
on infrastructure that we're hearing so much about

02:26:54.867 --> 02:26:58.219
today. As I mentioned before, the lift corporation

02:26:58.229 --> 02:27:00.299
and its investors take about half of what you pay for

02:27:00.308 --> 02:27:02.998
lift the ride share company. The ride share economy

02:27:03.008 --> 02:27:05.439
is a mess and though those same investors want to take

02:27:05.449 --> 02:27:09.598
100% of what passengers pay. No, they're either unwilling

02:27:09.608 --> 02:27:13.078
or unable to fix problems with the Americans with disabilities

02:27:13.088 --> 02:27:16.117
act compliance and a host of other things. They've

02:27:16.127 --> 02:27:18.848
got to clean up the mess they've already made. Shouldn't

02:27:18.858 --> 02:27:22.248
we investigate the total overall cost before making

02:27:22.258 --> 02:27:27.078
a change? Thank you. The next speaker is Michael Smith

02:27:30.538 --> 02:27:33.189
Thank you Commissioners. My name is Michael Smith and

02:27:33.199 --> 02:27:35.988
I'm the technical co founder of a successful startup

02:27:35.998 --> 02:27:39.288
here in San Francisco and I'm currently the Chief Innovation

02:27:39.299 --> 02:27:44.709
Officer there. I also cannot drive. Thank you. I also

02:27:44.719 --> 02:27:49.637
I cannot drive and I strongly support tech when it's

02:27:49.647 --> 02:27:52.308
useful, safe and actually works And so I expect everybody

02:27:52.318 --> 02:27:56.538
to applaud for me and the Robotaxis. I want to point

02:27:56.549 --> 02:27:59.578
out though they currently do not meet that criteria

02:27:59.598 --> 02:28:02.538
and should not be expanded at this time. Their weak

02:28:02.549 --> 02:28:07.637
technology is completely befuddled by the simple traffic

02:28:07.647 --> 02:28:10.179
code.

02:28:10.179 --> 02:28:13.657
They have caused over 600 incidences and interfered

02:28:13.667 --> 02:28:16.627
with emergency services. They are not 88 accessible

02:28:16.637 --> 02:28:19.528
as required. And the AV companies have been refusing

02:28:19.538 --> 02:28:23.549
to honestly answer your questions for the CPC C nor

02:28:23.558 --> 02:28:26.679
give you the data you need first. Have them fix their

02:28:26.689 --> 02:28:30.127
weak technology and provide the means for the CPC to

02:28:30.137 --> 02:28:34.288
truly verify that it is fixed. Please listen to our

02:28:34.299 --> 02:28:38.768
firefighters. Their motivation is solely to save lives

02:28:39.848 --> 02:28:43.758
Thank you.

02:28:43.758 --> 02:28:46.758
I'm going to call Patrick Mulligan. I think I may have

02:28:46.768 --> 02:28:49.387
missed him previously, Mr Mulligan and then we'll go

02:28:49.397 --> 02:28:53.528
to Jefferson life.

02:28:53.528 --> 02:28:56.248
Thank you. Hello commissioners. My name is Patrick

02:28:56.258 --> 02:28:58.098
Mulligan. I live in the inner sunset neighborhood of

02:28:58.108 --> 02:29:00.939
San Francisco. I'm speaking today in support of expanding

02:29:00.949 --> 02:29:03.799
way Mo's deployment of self driving cars. I have yet

02:29:03.808 --> 02:29:05.959
to ride in one of way, Mo's vehicles, but I have shared

02:29:05.969 --> 02:29:08.709
the road with them as a fellow driver and as a pedestrian

02:29:09.058 --> 02:29:11.689
they do not run stop signs or stop lights. They do

02:29:11.699 --> 02:29:14.709
not drive at unsafe speeds. They take care on other

02:29:14.719 --> 02:29:16.848
pedestrians and they do a more than adequate job of

02:29:16.858 --> 02:29:20.127
sharing the road with other drivers. I do not disregard

02:29:20.137 --> 02:29:22.738
the concerns, prioritizing public safety, but from

02:29:22.748 --> 02:29:25.488
everything I've personally witnessed and after reviewing

02:29:25.498 --> 02:29:28.179
each of the documented incidents involving Waymo and

02:29:28.189 --> 02:29:31.469
other rideshare vehicles, my opinion is that adding

02:29:31.479 --> 02:29:33.929
thousands of these vehicles to the streets of San Francisco

02:29:33.939 --> 02:29:36.449
would improve public safety. It would be an asset to

02:29:36.459 --> 02:29:39.189
this city and any others that would allow it. I look

02:29:39.199 --> 02:29:41.387
forward to the day that their service along with others

02:29:41.397 --> 02:29:45.179
like it fully replaces all current ride share offerings

02:29:45.219 --> 02:29:47.667
Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. Thank

02:29:47.679 --> 02:29:54.147
you. The next speaker is Jefferson Live. Welcome. Thanks

02:29:54.157 --> 02:29:57.147
CPUC commissioners. I'm here to request the commissioners

02:29:57.157 --> 02:30:00.848
to approve the resolution for and only for way more

02:30:00.858 --> 02:30:03.699
operating in San Francisco as a future rider, they

02:30:03.709 --> 02:30:08.449
replace expensive low income city scooters and taxi

02:30:08.459 --> 02:30:11.488
drivers specifically on fly wheel that keep canceling

02:30:11.498 --> 02:30:14.508
our ride, especially just recently just to get here

02:30:14.988 --> 02:30:19.078
And also have we take the sensor chip card also make

02:30:19.088 --> 02:30:22.738
this single permit only as no A V is perfect, but I

02:30:22.748 --> 02:30:25.318
have high hopes for Waymo as they are brave just like

02:30:25.328 --> 02:30:28.538
Tesla and I'm hoping to work with Waymo to patch the

02:30:28.549 --> 02:30:31.588
traffic on floor, expand the areas and address any

02:30:31.598 --> 02:30:35.459
concerns for our future.

02:30:35.459 --> 02:30:39.897
Thank you. Thank you. Our next three speakers are Emily

02:30:40.049 --> 02:30:47.998
Loper, James Mahen and Todd Kawakita.

02:30:47.998 --> 02:30:49.998
Good afternoon commissioners, Emily Loper with Bay

02:30:50.008 --> 02:30:53.137
Area Council. We represent over 300 major employers

02:30:53.147 --> 02:30:55.709
across the region and we strongly urge you to vote

02:30:55.719 --> 02:30:59.328
to approve both applications by Waymo and crew to expand

02:30:59.338 --> 02:31:02.828
operations in the city. Um As you've heard at length

02:31:02.838 --> 02:31:06.117
today, for many residents who don't own a car or can't

02:31:06.127 --> 02:31:10.028
drive a car or for whom public transit is not convenient

02:31:10.038 --> 02:31:14.828
driverless cars offer a safe, comfortable and uh affordable

02:31:14.838 --> 02:31:17.693
mobility option. And the data is very clear that they

02:31:17.703 --> 02:31:20.282
are extremely safe, safer in most cases than human

02:31:20.292 --> 02:31:23.252
drivers. It's also important to note that the companies

02:31:23.262 --> 02:31:26.363
are planning a gradual and incremental rollout of these

02:31:26.373 --> 02:31:29.594
vehicles and they have proceeded through a very thoughtful

02:31:29.604 --> 02:31:33.574
and reasonable regulatory process so far. So the council

02:31:33.584 --> 02:31:36.522
is proud that San Francisco is home to this innovation

02:31:36.532 --> 02:31:38.933
that will transform the way that we move. And we urge

02:31:38.943 --> 02:31:41.492
you to move forward with these applications today to

02:31:41.502 --> 02:31:43.834
deliver the many benefits to San Francisco residents

02:31:43.844 --> 02:31:47.778
and visitors. Thanks so much. Thank you.

02:31:47.778 --> 02:31:52.278
The next speaker is James mcgahan.

02:31:52.278 --> 02:31:55.299
Hey, good afternoon. I'm James mcgauran. I'm a San

02:31:55.308 --> 02:31:58.348
Francisco resident in the Glen Park neighborhood. I'm

02:31:58.358 --> 02:32:02.268
not yet a Waymo customer, just a pedestrian and cyclist

02:32:03.528 --> 02:32:07.127
just a normal guy. And on September 22nd of this year

02:32:07.137 --> 02:32:10.338
I want to share a kind of a nerdy fact. On September

02:32:10.348 --> 02:32:12.588
22nd of this year, Governor Newsom passed assembly

02:32:12.598 --> 02:32:16.209
bill 19 09, which is known as the Omni Bike bill A

02:32:16.229 --> 02:32:19.157
19 09 amends the California vehicle code to require

02:32:19.167 --> 02:32:21.988
drivers to change lanes when overtaking a bicyclist

02:32:22.288 --> 02:32:25.637
This law went into effect on January 1st of this year

02:32:25.778 --> 02:32:28.058
And the interesting anecdote I want to share is that

02:32:28.068 --> 02:32:31.518
all autonomous vehicles such as Waymo Cruz and Tesla's

02:32:31.528 --> 02:32:34.617
autopilot software immediately started complying with

02:32:34.627 --> 02:32:37.637
the law because they were programmed to do so many

02:32:37.647 --> 02:32:40.018
human drivers are still either completely oblivious

02:32:40.028 --> 02:32:42.729
to this new law or intentionally defined of it. This

02:32:42.738 --> 02:32:45.488
is an absolutely amazing win for road safety. And as

02:32:45.498 --> 02:32:48.699
a bicyclist, I want to see more of this in my personal

02:32:48.709 --> 02:32:52.318
experience, Waymo and crews have been infinitely patient

02:32:52.328 --> 02:32:55.268
and respectful to pedestrians. They never get drunk

02:32:55.278 --> 02:32:57.979
high or distracted. And it's amazing to see these safety

02:32:57.988 --> 02:33:00.127
improvements instantly deploy to an entire fleet of

02:33:00.137 --> 02:33:03.308
vehicles. So I urge you to vote. Yes, on expanding

02:33:03.318 --> 02:33:05.617
the autonomous vehicle program. Thank you. Thank you

02:33:06.588 --> 02:33:10.949
Next, we have Todd Kawakita.

02:33:10.949 --> 02:33:14.179
Hello, my name is Todd Kawakita and I live in the Richmond

02:33:14.189 --> 02:33:17.137
District without a car and I've taken over 200 rides

02:33:17.147 --> 02:33:19.998
on a Waymo. I've taken my senior citizen and mom previously

02:33:20.008 --> 02:33:22.288
as a skeptic and also friends on the Waymo and as a

02:33:22.299 --> 02:33:25.117
driver myself, I believe the Waymo is safer for both

02:33:25.127 --> 02:33:27.939
people inside and pedestrians, bicyclists and cars

02:33:27.949 --> 02:33:30.288
outside of it. It follows a speed limit. It doesn't

02:33:30.299 --> 02:33:32.939
blast through yellow lights, it sees all pedestrians

02:33:32.949 --> 02:33:35.719
cars and cyclists and in my experience, it's recognized

02:33:35.729 --> 02:33:38.417
and made space for emergency vehicles at all times

02:33:38.748 --> 02:33:41.049
I believe there's a common misconception about stalled

02:33:41.058 --> 02:33:44.049
cars. This is not sort of mechanical error. It's cars

02:33:44.058 --> 02:33:46.578
waiting for occupants and because there aren't enough

02:33:46.588 --> 02:33:48.887
cars on the road, a lot of people hail the cars before

02:33:48.897 --> 02:33:51.117
they're actually at the curb. I think this is an area

02:33:51.127 --> 02:33:54.578
where the CPC can help waymo improve. But overall,

02:33:54.588 --> 02:33:57.498
I would encourage CPC to look at the data, their magnitude's

02:33:57.508 --> 02:34:00.788
more ubers and lifts on the road, Waymo are just recognizable

02:34:00.799 --> 02:34:02.898
because they're white and look like stormtroopers.

02:34:03.099 --> 02:34:06.068
Um So overall, in summary, I'd like to just basically

02:34:06.079 --> 02:34:08.217
pose the question. Will we mo change the face of usa

02:34:08.318 --> 02:34:10.938
Yes. But will it make our roads safer and protect our

02:34:10.947 --> 02:34:13.768
citizens? Yes. And I'm confident once the broader public

02:34:13.777 --> 02:34:15.987
can access the service, the public will support it

02:34:16.277 --> 02:34:18.588
and it can exist in a landscape of multiple modes of

02:34:18.599 --> 02:34:23.119
transport. Thank you. Thank you. Our next three speakers

02:34:23.128 --> 02:34:27.958
are Oleg Vaskevitch, Milo Stern and Utah Hashimoto

02:34:43.186 --> 02:34:46.476
Right. Good afternoon commissioners. My name is Oleg

02:34:46.487 --> 02:34:49.027
I'm a software engineer who's lived in San Francisco

02:34:49.038 --> 02:34:51.878
for eight years and I currently live a few blocks away

02:34:51.887 --> 02:34:54.916
from here. I'm here in support of the commission granting

02:34:54.927 --> 02:34:58.677
these permits to. And cruz today over the past nine

02:34:58.688 --> 02:35:00.757
months, I've had the opportunity to take cruises at

02:35:00.768 --> 02:35:03.728
night and experience autonomous driving first hand

02:35:03.909 --> 02:35:06.697
And as a regular biker during the day, I've shared

02:35:06.708 --> 02:35:09.228
a road with Waymo and cruise vehicles for several years

02:35:09.418 --> 02:35:11.737
As far as safety is concerned, I have only great things

02:35:11.748 --> 02:35:14.809
to say for autonomous vehicles when compared to distracted

02:35:14.818 --> 02:35:17.878
and careless human drivers on the road. While there

02:35:17.889 --> 02:35:20.128
are a few issues to work out such as long routes and

02:35:20.139 --> 02:35:22.538
requesting rides. It's a short matter of time before

02:35:22.549 --> 02:35:25.197
they're addressed. And I believe Waymo and crews have

02:35:25.208 --> 02:35:27.998
the right incentives and expertise to address them

02:35:28.737 --> 02:35:30.849
I know we long cruises might not meet the requirements

02:35:30.858 --> 02:35:33.168
of some people with luggage, accessibility needs or

02:35:33.177 --> 02:35:36.079
assistance requirements. But I believe this is in black

02:35:36.088 --> 02:35:39.588
and white and these services can coexist with traditional

02:35:39.599 --> 02:35:42.139
taxis and rideshare. I believe we're witnessing the

02:35:42.148 --> 02:35:46.268
future of safer, more sustainable and more affordable

02:35:46.277 --> 02:35:48.909
transportation and innovation. And I'm excited for

02:35:48.918 --> 02:35:54.318
San Francisco to be the pioneer. Thank you. Thank you

02:35:55.309 --> 02:35:59.599
Our next speaker is Milo Stern.

02:35:59.599 --> 02:36:06.288
Yeah.

02:36:06.288 --> 02:36:10.217
All right, sweet. Hi, good afternoon. Um, so I was

02:36:10.228 --> 02:36:14.099
gonna have something prepared for you guys today. But

02:36:14.108 --> 02:36:17.288
um I want you to consider the irony that I was in

02:36:17.299 --> 02:36:21.088
an accident with a road rage in the time that I was

02:36:21.099 --> 02:36:25.909
gonna spend doing that. Um I'm not exactly the average

02:36:25.918 --> 02:36:29.717
supporter of Cruz or, or any of these other companies

02:36:29.987 --> 02:36:34.309
Um I'm an 18 year old kid who's working as a doordash

02:36:34.318 --> 02:36:39.277
driver to pay off a little tuition to keep the loans

02:36:39.288 --> 02:36:45.858
down. Um I think the biggest thing that I want you

02:36:45.869 --> 02:36:49.018
guys to consider is when you're considering the decision

02:36:49.027 --> 02:36:54.947
obviously is, you know, people have a big kind of opposition

02:36:54.958 --> 02:36:58.378
to when these um, vehicles stop in the middle of the

02:36:58.389 --> 02:37:02.748
road or, you know, put their hazards on and freak out

02:37:02.958 --> 02:37:06.639
Um as someone who's had the privilege to study artificial

02:37:06.648 --> 02:37:10.628
intelligence and work on it. Uh For almost half a decade

02:37:10.639 --> 02:37:13.927
at this point, I'd like to, I'd like you to consider

02:37:13.938 --> 02:37:18.588
it um as instead of it making a mistake, uh consider

02:37:18.599 --> 02:37:22.299
it as it. Artificial intelligence is just like any

02:37:22.309 --> 02:37:25.579
other learner on the road. Every time it makes a mistake

02:37:25.588 --> 02:37:28.277
it gets corrected and the algorithm learns from that

02:37:28.639 --> 02:37:30.717
So just please consider that and thank you very much

02:37:31.349 --> 02:37:40.728
Thank you. Our next speaker is Utah Hashimoto.

02:37:40.728 --> 02:37:44.487
Hello, everyone. I'm Yuta Hashimoto and as one of the

02:37:44.498 --> 02:37:48.398
Japanese student of San Francisco, I think the city

02:37:48.409 --> 02:37:52.958
should accept we by two reasons. First, I believe that

02:37:52.967 --> 02:37:57.958
on innovation vehicle, like we will not only provide

02:37:57.967 --> 02:38:01.958
a novel mode of transportation for citizens but also

02:38:01.967 --> 02:38:07.568
like iconic C car potentially become a new tourist

02:38:07.579 --> 02:38:11.768
attraction in San Francisco. Second, other countries

02:38:11.777 --> 02:38:16.518
are advancing technology through widespread use by

02:38:16.527 --> 02:38:23.568
their citizens in everyday you. Um The question at

02:38:23.579 --> 02:38:27.559
hand is whether San Francisco will contribute to the

02:38:28.467 --> 02:38:32.507
advancement of driverless car technology in the United

02:38:32.518 --> 02:38:39.389
States by blessing women or if it will left being pressed

02:38:39.487 --> 02:38:44.288
by other countries due to the emotional bias, considering

02:38:44.299 --> 02:38:48.079
the factors, I believe it would be difficult for San

02:38:48.088 --> 02:38:51.938
Francisco to permit to introduce the technology to

02:38:51.947 --> 02:38:56.018
the public. Thank you. Thank you.

02:38:56.018 --> 02:38:59.579
All right. I have a next three speakers.

02:38:59.579 --> 02:39:05.299
Um, no, Leon, although I believe I've called her before

02:39:05.309 --> 02:39:12.309
so. Ok. Um, Jason Rabinowitz and I'll do one more.

02:39:12.318 --> 02:39:17.268
Tony Delreal

02:39:17.268 --> 02:39:20.809
and that's all. Oh.

02:39:20.809 --> 02:39:23.128
Oh, dear, President Renault and Commissioners. My name

02:39:23.139 --> 02:39:26.068
is, and I've been living in San Francisco, um, sunset

02:39:26.079 --> 02:39:29.708
District for 25 years. I've been riding Waymo for six

02:39:29.717 --> 02:39:33.369
months now. And in my humble opinion, the benefit that

02:39:33.378 --> 02:39:36.478
way more autos this vehicle has provided is invaluable

02:39:36.869 --> 02:39:39.639
Waymo is over cautious when it comes to driving. Way

02:39:39.648 --> 02:39:43.369
more, always go below the allowable speed limit. And

02:39:43.378 --> 02:39:46.007
I'm grateful for the state of safety, especially at

02:39:46.018 --> 02:39:50.217
night when I uh come back from work at home uh from

02:39:50.228 --> 02:39:55.018
from home to uh um when I take and um at least

02:39:55.027 --> 02:39:59.518
I don't have to worry about my driver at um attempt

02:39:59.527 --> 02:40:01.628
to speed through the street in San Francisco in order

02:40:01.639 --> 02:40:05.088
to meet or exceed the unattainable financial quota

02:40:05.208 --> 02:40:07.398
that would jeopardize the safety of passengers and

02:40:07.409 --> 02:40:10.498
pedestrians. I also appreciate how the app and the

02:40:10.507 --> 02:40:15.668
car service experience in um we that offer Spanish

02:40:15.677 --> 02:40:18.527
and Chinese language and I don't have to worry about

02:40:18.538 --> 02:40:21.418
uh my mom when she wants to head to the store on

02:40:21.427 --> 02:40:23.958
her own, especially when she doesn't speak English

02:40:23.967 --> 02:40:27.967
when she use a Way App. Um I strongly urge that you

02:40:27.978 --> 02:40:31.858
vote yes to expand the autonomous vehicle for San Francisco

02:40:31.869 --> 02:40:35.349
Thank you for your time. Thank you. Our next speaker

02:40:35.358 --> 02:40:39.329
is Jason Rabinowitz. Thank you. Hi, Commissioners.

02:40:39.338 --> 02:40:41.427
I'm Jason Rabinowitz. President of teams who joint

02:40:41.438 --> 02:40:45.148
council seven on behalf of 100,000 workers across northern

02:40:45.159 --> 02:40:49.139
California and Nevada and 1.3 million across our country

02:40:49.148 --> 02:40:51.768
including hundreds of thousands of safe professional

02:40:51.777 --> 02:40:55.478
drivers. All of labor stand united with first responders

02:40:55.487 --> 02:40:58.717
and our community members and urging the PC to deny

02:40:58.728 --> 02:41:02.838
expansion of unsafe robot taxis. I have a letter from

02:41:02.849 --> 02:41:06.038
all the labor unions including Teamsters, Eu State

02:41:06.049 --> 02:41:08.487
Council, California Federation of Labor and more, I'll

02:41:08.498 --> 02:41:11.728
give it to you. You know, San Francisco residents have

02:41:11.737 --> 02:41:14.619
seen with their own eyes that this technology is not

02:41:14.628 --> 02:41:17.909
ready to be deployed safely with just a few 100 avs

02:41:17.918 --> 02:41:20.467
on the road. Currently, they're wreaking havoc on the

02:41:20.478 --> 02:41:24.099
city, hundreds of accidents, injuries causing traffic

02:41:24.108 --> 02:41:26.947
jams, interfering with first responders and their vehicles

02:41:26.958 --> 02:41:30.329
If you expand this unsafe technology, those problems

02:41:30.338 --> 02:41:32.918
will grow exponentially. Not to mention the threat

02:41:32.927 --> 02:41:36.538
to our jobs, millions of driving jobs that support

02:41:36.549 --> 02:41:40.668
families and our economy are at risk in the labor movement

02:41:40.677 --> 02:41:43.588
We have a saying, which side are you on commissioners

02:41:43.599 --> 02:41:45.628
Which side are you on? Are you on the side of greedy

02:41:45.639 --> 02:41:48.027
tech companies and their profits and robots or are

02:41:48.038 --> 02:41:50.829
you on the side of human beings? Our jobs, our communities

02:41:50.838 --> 02:41:53.748
our safety, the choice is clear. We urge you to vote

02:41:53.757 --> 02:42:14.619
No, thank you. The next speaker is Tony de Lorio

02:42:14.619 --> 02:42:17.099
the war.

02:42:17.099 --> 02:42:21.507
All right. And let's go then to Quentin Booker, Robert

02:42:21.518 --> 02:42:30.708
Sandoval and Saul Medina.

02:42:30.708 --> 02:42:33.018
Good afternoon commissioners. Uh, I'm Robert Sand Quinton

02:42:33.027 --> 02:42:36.349
Booker is not here. Good afternoon. My name is Robert

02:42:36.358 --> 02:42:38.438
Sanville and I'm a resident of San Francisco and a

02:42:38.447 --> 02:42:40.268
business agent for teams. There is local 350 which

02:42:40.277 --> 02:42:42.568
represents the hard working men and women who collect

02:42:42.579 --> 02:42:45.038
solid waste and recycling in the city of San Francisco

02:42:45.288 --> 02:42:47.427
I'm here today to ask you not to expand the use of

02:42:47.438 --> 02:42:49.918
waymo and cruise vehicles because of the dangers. It

02:42:49.927 --> 02:42:52.788
presents to our workers and the public. The push for

02:42:52.799 --> 02:42:54.927
autonomous vehicles like cruise and Waymo in San Francisco

02:42:54.938 --> 02:42:57.927
not only raises safety concerns but also demonstrates

02:42:57.938 --> 02:43:00.849
a stark disregard for the daily lives of its residents

02:43:00.858 --> 02:43:04.177
and the employees or my members, I should say while

02:43:04.188 --> 02:43:07.248
tech corporations tout the benefits, the reality is

02:43:07.257 --> 02:43:09.338
that these vehicles have become a downright downright

02:43:09.349 --> 02:43:11.757
nuisance that the people of San Francisco have rejected

02:43:11.768 --> 02:43:14.318
In fact, just today, I have received a video from one

02:43:14.329 --> 02:43:16.427
of my members where a cruise car was stalled in front

02:43:16.438 --> 02:43:20.099
of his vehicle, his truck and our member had to perform

02:43:20.108 --> 02:43:23.027
unsafe maneuvers to back up and remove himself from

02:43:23.038 --> 02:43:26.248
the street being a garbageman is the fifth most dangerous

02:43:26.257 --> 02:43:28.478
job in the country and these vehicles just make it

02:43:28.487 --> 02:43:31.608
more dangerous. These are first hand accounts of affected

02:43:31.619 --> 02:43:33.777
residents and workers of the middle class, but they're

02:43:33.788 --> 02:43:36.467
being drowned out by tech giants. Utopian promises

02:43:36.478 --> 02:43:38.677
disregarding the overwhelming opposition to autonomous

02:43:38.688 --> 02:43:41.583
vehicles and their expansion in San Francisco, the

02:43:41.592 --> 02:43:44.523
city has become a tech playground eroding trust as

02:43:44.534 --> 02:43:47.353
these corporations prioritize self interest over safety

02:43:47.362 --> 02:43:50.853
It is crucial to prioritize residents, employees, workers

02:43:50.862 --> 02:43:53.284
and the well being and to listen to their concerns

02:43:53.293 --> 02:43:56.813
Again, I ask you to not approve this expansion. Thank

02:43:56.822 --> 02:44:01.208
you. Thank you. The next speaker is Robert Sandoval

02:44:03.027 --> 02:44:08.708
Oh, that was you. I'm sorry, Medina

02:44:08.708 --> 02:44:11.518
nurse Medina.

02:44:11.518 --> 02:44:15.217
Uh I am a UPS driver in San Francisco and a member

02:44:15.228 --> 02:44:18.398
of the team of local 275. We are professional drive

02:44:18.409 --> 02:44:21.318
We are a professional drivers union and pride ourselves

02:44:21.329 --> 02:44:23.978
of being safe drivers and keeping our roads safe. We

02:44:23.987 --> 02:44:26.108
go through a lot of training to get to where we are

02:44:26.217 --> 02:44:29.018
yet. It seems contradictory to what you expect from

02:44:29.027 --> 02:44:32.809
crews and Waymo. Today you plan to give the unrestricted

02:44:32.818 --> 02:44:36.318
access to our roads despite these companies providing

02:44:36.329 --> 02:44:39.987
the technology isn't there yet. There was literally

02:44:39.998 --> 02:44:43.518
an accident on Monday as a professional driver. I would

02:44:43.527 --> 02:44:46.889
never get away with anything that crews and Waymo are

02:44:46.898 --> 02:44:49.498
getting away with. We need to have higher standards

02:44:49.507 --> 02:44:52.177
for these vehicles like you do for professional drivers

02:44:52.188 --> 02:44:55.059
like myself, you may just see another driver, but I

02:44:55.068 --> 02:44:57.677
am someone who is part of the community who sees what's

02:44:57.688 --> 02:45:00.849
what's going on and helps people in need. I respectfully

02:45:00.858 --> 02:45:03.619
ask that you reconsider the restricted expansion of

02:45:03.628 --> 02:45:06.628
Waymo and Crews in San Francisco. I was also born and

02:45:06.639 --> 02:45:09.507
raised here. I drive here all the time. I've been driving

02:45:09.518 --> 02:45:12.248
for 22 years.

02:45:12.248 --> 02:45:15.079
There's a lot of cars, a lot of cars, they're all in

02:45:15.088 --> 02:45:17.858
the way already. It's hard for someone to move over

02:45:17.869 --> 02:45:19.568
and get out of the way. That's my job to get out

02:45:19.579 --> 02:45:22.349
of the way to not cause the traffic jam. These vehicles

02:45:22.358 --> 02:45:25.068
can't move out of the way. There's only one lane in

02:45:25.079 --> 02:45:26.938
the streets. There's a lot of bike lanes. I'm ok with

02:45:26.947 --> 02:45:29.409
bike lanes. I'm ok with bus lanes, there's only one

02:45:29.418 --> 02:45:31.608
lane. We got to get them out of the way. Thank you

02:45:31.619 --> 02:45:36.568
Thank you. Thank you. Our next three speakers are Mariana

02:45:36.579 --> 02:45:49.927
Porras, uh Darius Mora and Rosalina Munez.

02:45:49.927 --> 02:45:55.049
I think so too. I was just realizing. Ok,

02:45:55.049 --> 02:45:57.378
good afternoon commissioners. I am Mariana Porras.

02:45:57.389 --> 02:46:00.108
I am a San Francisco native. I am also here with gig

02:46:00.119 --> 02:46:03.369
workers rising. I've been driving for Uber in San Francisco

02:46:03.378 --> 02:46:07.329
since 2017. I started off doing Uber and Lyft and collectively

02:46:07.338 --> 02:46:11.818
have done about 7000 rides. I'm here today to ask the

02:46:11.829 --> 02:46:15.248
CPC to vote against driver, driverless taxis in the

02:46:15.257 --> 02:46:17.829
cities. Please take the time to listen to our concerns

02:46:17.838 --> 02:46:20.197
I am a single mother of three school aged Children

02:46:20.208 --> 02:46:22.389
due to the cost of living here in San Francisco. I've

02:46:22.398 --> 02:46:25.237
had multiple jobs at once and have been dependent on

02:46:25.248 --> 02:46:28.418
rideshare app based work to make ends meet. Like I

02:46:28.427 --> 02:46:31.148
mentioned before, I've done about 7000 rides and a

02:46:31.159 --> 02:46:33.188
lot of them have required me to help passengers by

02:46:33.197 --> 02:46:37.079
giving them a hand in and out of the car with many

02:46:37.088 --> 02:46:40.358
types of disabilities, injuries, injuries, over indulging

02:46:40.369 --> 02:46:44.277
day or night out, loading, unloading luggages, groceries

02:46:44.288 --> 02:46:46.518
equipment, et cetera. I also want to bring attention

02:46:46.527 --> 02:46:50.559
to human trafficking. Are these driverless taxis equipped

02:46:50.568 --> 02:46:53.447
to possibly detect human trafficking. Human drivers

02:46:53.458 --> 02:46:56.748
are essential as we can easily adapt and handle complex

02:46:56.757 --> 02:46:59.927
situations while assisting passengers. The role goes

02:46:59.938 --> 02:47:04.079
beyond driving as we provide valuable information and

02:47:04.088 --> 02:47:06.757
support particularly to visitors. We play a crucial

02:47:06.768 --> 02:47:09.909
part in ensuring safety, preventing delays and offering

02:47:09.918 --> 02:47:12.677
assistance. Drivers like us are an integral part of

02:47:12.688 --> 02:47:15.228
the city. I have voiced my concerns. I urge you to

02:47:15.237 --> 02:47:21.059
make the right decision. Thank you. Thank you.

02:47:21.059 --> 02:47:33.507
The next speaker is Darius K Mubarak.

02:47:33.507 --> 02:47:38.378
Good afternoon. My name is Dash Mubarak and I'm a right

02:47:38.389 --> 02:47:41.818
shirt driver. I've been driving with, been driving

02:47:41.829 --> 02:47:43.788
in San Francisco for the past 10 years and drive for

02:47:43.799 --> 02:47:47.049
Uber and Lyft. I'm here today to ask the CPC to vote

02:47:47.059 --> 02:47:49.688
against the expansion of driverless vehicles in the

02:47:49.697 --> 02:47:53.427
city because it takes time to listen. Please take time

02:47:53.438 --> 02:47:56.027
to listen to the concern of drivers like me and of

02:47:56.038 --> 02:47:59.628
public safety advocates before making a decision that

02:47:59.639 --> 02:48:03.498
will impact our work. Driverless cars struggle with

02:48:03.507 --> 02:48:06.648
complex situations. They're risking safety for passengers

02:48:06.659 --> 02:48:09.668
and others on the road. Driverless taxis can't communicate

02:48:09.677 --> 02:48:12.559
like human drivers causing sudden stops and traffic

02:48:12.568 --> 02:48:15.427
congestion. The rapid expansion of driverless cars

02:48:15.438 --> 02:48:17.898
on our roads will make it more difficult for us to

02:48:17.909 --> 02:48:22.128
do our jobs safely and efficiently. Drivers like us

02:48:22.139 --> 02:48:24.757
are an integral part of the city. We urge you to listen

02:48:24.768 --> 02:48:27.748
to our concerns and make the right decision so that

02:48:27.757 --> 02:48:31.128
the city remains safe and welcoming to everybody and

02:48:31.139 --> 02:48:34.358
that drivers like us can have jobs. Thank you for that

02:48:35.409 --> 02:48:38.318
Thank you.

02:48:38.318 --> 02:48:42.288
The next three speakers are Miranda Oga Shema Hernandez

02:48:42.378 --> 02:48:52.139
Gill Abdulla, um

02:48:52.139 --> 02:48:55.478
Miss Olga.

02:48:55.478 --> 02:49:01.869
Oh, great.

02:49:01.869 --> 02:49:05.878
Oh, good afternoon commissioners. My name is Olga Miranda

02:49:05.889 --> 02:49:09.498
I'm the president of Sciu local 87 and I represent

02:49:09.507 --> 02:49:16.418
uh janitors in the private sector.

02:49:16.418 --> 02:49:20.427
Um I'm here speaking in support of autonomous vehicles

02:49:20.438 --> 02:49:24.228
and the expansion of that for cruise. Um We have seen

02:49:24.237 --> 02:49:27.228
the work that's been done, not just with labor, but

02:49:27.237 --> 02:49:31.599
also we already represent workers within cruise spaces

02:49:32.128 --> 02:49:35.268
Cruz is one of the few, one of the few companies in

02:49:35.277 --> 02:49:38.793
San Francisco that is going celebrating the fact that

02:49:38.802 --> 02:49:41.112
they want to stay in San Francisco and operate in San

02:49:41.123 --> 02:49:43.784
Francisco. And right now, we need to be able to celebrate

02:49:43.793 --> 02:49:46.704
those opportunities. I understand what is on your shoulders

02:49:46.713 --> 02:49:49.713
and the decision to make. But A V is here and we

02:49:49.724 --> 02:49:51.784
want to make sure that the partnerships that have already

02:49:51.793 --> 02:49:54.813
been built with communities. I represent workers that

02:49:54.822 --> 02:49:57.898
are typically invisible and we have partnered up with

02:49:57.909 --> 02:50:00.829
communities that are not treated equally the same and

02:50:00.838 --> 02:50:04.309
the same services and accessibility is where it is

02:50:04.318 --> 02:50:07.518
at right now. So I ask every commissioner, please support

02:50:07.717 --> 02:50:20.447
it

02:50:20.447 --> 02:50:23.688
again. We are labor, we are our organized labor and

02:50:23.697 --> 02:50:27.677
we support crews and the expansion of a vehicles. Thank

02:50:27.688 --> 02:50:36.559
you. Thank you.

02:50:36.559 --> 02:50:39.389
Good afternoon. Honorable Commission commissioners

02:50:39.398 --> 02:50:42.248
My name is Chema Hernandez Gill. I stand before you

02:50:42.257 --> 02:50:45.409
today as a representative of the 60,000 member Strong

02:50:45.418 --> 02:50:49.889
Service Employees International Union. Eu local 1021

02:50:49.987 --> 02:50:53.197
voicing our strong opposition to the proposed expansion

02:50:53.208 --> 02:50:56.838
of Cruz way more autonomous vehicle operations. Street

02:50:56.849 --> 02:51:00.018
safety is paramount. The autonomous vehicle industry

02:51:00.027 --> 02:51:04.208
hasn't convincingly ensured public safety raising value

02:51:04.217 --> 02:51:07.498
valid concerns. Our members believe we must focus on

02:51:07.507 --> 02:51:12.389
reducing vehicle miles traveled and congestion, prioritizing

02:51:12.398 --> 02:51:15.849
public transit and active transportation, especially

02:51:15.858 --> 02:51:19.748
during our climate emergency. An expansion of these

02:51:19.757 --> 02:51:23.588
autonomous vehicles could would also negative negatively

02:51:23.599 --> 02:51:27.369
impact some of the densest working class communities

02:51:27.378 --> 02:51:29.967
in the Western United States neighborhoods that are

02:51:29.978 --> 02:51:33.697
already disproportionately impacted by traffic violence

02:51:33.708 --> 02:51:37.987
Consequently, seu local 1021 urges you to reject this

02:51:37.998 --> 02:51:42.717
expansion. Our communities deserve thoughtful evaluation

02:51:42.728 --> 02:51:45.967
and true dedication to their well being. Thank you

02:51:48.369 --> 02:51:50.927
Thank you.

02:51:50.927 --> 02:52:00.757
The next speaker is Abdu Ghani Agam.

02:52:00.757 --> 02:52:04.358
All right. Uh Did we have the next three speakers?

02:52:04.369 --> 02:52:10.498
Claudia Center, John Hahn and Mary Maguire.

02:52:10.498 --> 02:52:21.757
This center.

02:52:21.757 --> 02:52:25.838
Uh Good afternoon. Uh My name is Claudia Center and

02:52:25.849 --> 02:52:29.268
I am with Disability rights Education and Defense Fund

02:52:29.478 --> 02:52:32.927
Safer Road for all should include people with diverse

02:52:32.938 --> 02:52:36.809
disabilities. Dr has been engaged in this issue and

02:52:36.818 --> 02:52:39.728
these proceedings from the beginning. And we have long

02:52:39.737 --> 02:52:43.389
urged the C PC to require a V providers to provide

02:52:43.398 --> 02:52:47.217
services that are accessible to and equally safe for

02:52:47.228 --> 02:52:51.318
people with disabilities. This has not happened. The

02:52:51.329 --> 02:52:54.288
foundational principle of the ada is that new things

02:52:54.299 --> 02:52:57.518
should be built fully accessible. This is a new thing

02:52:57.527 --> 02:53:01.139
We have new vehicles, new systems, new infrastructure

02:53:01.358 --> 02:53:04.708
The time is now to require av providers to build and

02:53:04.717 --> 02:53:08.099
include adequate numbers of wheelchair accessible vehicles

02:53:08.108 --> 02:53:11.809
as components of their fleets and to ensure equal safety

02:53:11.818 --> 02:53:15.027
including curb pickup and drop off for people with

02:53:15.038 --> 02:53:20.108
disabilities. Um We urge a no vote until these elements

02:53:20.119 --> 02:53:25.409
are included. Thank you. Thank you. Our next speaker

02:53:25.418 --> 02:53:28.829
is John Ha.

02:53:28.829 --> 02:53:32.128
Hello, my name is Johan. I'm a former San Francisco

02:53:32.139 --> 02:53:34.697
taxi cab driver. I drove a cab for about 14 years.

02:53:35.038 --> 02:53:38.987
Uh I look around the room, it looks a lot like uh

02:53:38.998 --> 02:53:42.728
10 or so years ago when the C PC was listening to

02:53:42.737 --> 02:53:47.677
Uber and Lyft make their case for approval. Um And

02:53:48.049 --> 02:53:52.438
Uber and Lyft didn't turn out to be everything that

02:53:52.447 --> 02:53:54.947
they were claiming they were going to be. Um I don't

02:53:54.958 --> 02:53:59.027
I don't, I just want to say that so far it's been

02:53:59.038 --> 02:54:01.958
a trusted tester program. But once you open this thing

02:54:01.967 --> 02:54:05.038
up for everybody out there to go ahead and take one

02:54:05.049 --> 02:54:07.809
of you, it's not going to always be these rosy stories

02:54:08.168 --> 02:54:14.648
as a cab driver. You know, I've witnessed abusive spouses

02:54:15.458 --> 02:54:18.967
interacting in the taxi cab and if there's nobody there

02:54:18.978 --> 02:54:21.409
I don't know what's to stop domestic violence or date

02:54:21.418 --> 02:54:26.619
rate from happening in a driverless robo taxi. So I

02:54:26.628 --> 02:54:29.299
think you really need to take these kinds of things

02:54:29.309 --> 02:54:33.688
into consideration. I would strongly urge you to assert

02:54:33.697 --> 02:54:39.799
your regulatory authority for a limited expansion pilot

02:54:39.809 --> 02:54:42.527
program. 3 to 6 months down the road, you have to do

02:54:42.538 --> 02:54:45.049
an evaluation and have an independent study, determine

02:54:45.059 --> 02:54:49.159
the pros and cons and the impacts of robo taxes. Thank

02:54:49.168 --> 02:54:51.478
you. They'll just let these companies put as many as

02:54:51.487 --> 02:54:53.648
they want out there. That would be a big mistake. Thank

02:54:53.659 --> 02:54:59.788
you. The next speaker is Mary mcguire.

02:54:59.788 --> 02:55:05.079
Good afternoon. Um One thing that's been going through

02:55:05.088 --> 02:55:07.409
my mind since I've seen these out on the road is how

02:55:07.418 --> 02:55:10.549
can you, you compare the safety records of cars that

02:55:10.559 --> 02:55:13.927
have been out there? What one year something when automobiles

02:55:13.938 --> 02:55:16.458
have been on the road for over 100 years? So that just

02:55:16.467 --> 02:55:20.237
makes no sense to me. Um Another thing is I've, well

02:55:20.248 --> 02:55:22.088
I can't really go into everything I've seen. I don't

02:55:22.099 --> 02:55:26.858
have time because I'm a taxi driver. So I just question

02:55:26.869 --> 02:55:29.599
are, are these companies in compliance with your current

02:55:29.608 --> 02:55:32.639
regulations?

02:55:32.639 --> 02:55:35.257
I guess the most important thing I want to say is,

02:55:35.938 --> 02:55:39.049
you know, to all you janitors and all the young people

02:55:39.059 --> 02:55:42.369
here in the yellow shirts, private citizens supporting

02:55:42.378 --> 02:55:45.849
this, you're really victims, you're victims of short

02:55:45.858 --> 02:55:48.987
term thinking sometimes I wonder, do you all just hate

02:55:48.998 --> 02:55:51.829
people? But we're people, we're supposed to be taking

02:55:51.838 --> 02:55:54.878
care of other people and these are jobs and you know

02:55:54.889 --> 02:55:57.487
what? It's going to be your jobs, it's going to be

02:55:57.498 --> 02:56:01.349
your jobs next. So take that into consideration. Uh

02:56:01.608 --> 02:56:03.358
and I think I'm going to go join those people with

02:56:03.369 --> 02:56:05.838
those orange cones because they're way cooler than

02:56:05.849 --> 02:56:09.588
you are.

02:56:09.588 --> 02:56:13.559
Thank you. Our next three speakers are Rosine Bussi

02:56:13.568 --> 02:56:26.159
Barry Toronto and Rachel Clyde.

02:56:26.159 --> 02:56:28.688
Thank you.

02:56:28.688 --> 02:56:32.309
Hello, good afternoon commissioners. My name is Rosine

02:56:32.318 --> 02:56:35.889
Bussin. I am a Uber and a Lyft driver for over seven

02:56:35.898 --> 02:56:39.579
years. I am also a member of a G worker right wing

02:56:40.478 --> 02:56:44.608
Um It's kind of interesting to me to see other human

02:56:44.619 --> 02:56:49.418
being speaking down on human being drivers as the worst

02:56:49.427 --> 02:56:52.809
thing on earth, just like the lady after he just said

02:56:53.938 --> 02:56:58.427
we just discovered this new self-driving taxi and all

02:56:58.438 --> 02:57:01.038
of a sudden we're making, it seems like it's the best

02:57:01.049 --> 02:57:04.579
thing that ever happened and that we are worse and

02:57:04.588 --> 02:57:08.257
yet we want human beings to become the passengers of

02:57:08.268 --> 02:57:15.007
those robot taxi. If you allow this self-driving taxi

02:57:15.527 --> 02:57:19.068
to expand is gonna take our job away from families

02:57:19.309 --> 02:57:22.788
like me, I'm a, I'm a single mom. It's gonna take a

02:57:22.799 --> 02:57:25.987
job away from people. Therefore, it's gonna cause more

02:57:25.998 --> 02:57:29.358
homelessness in this city, we already see clearly.

02:57:29.369 --> 02:57:32.427
The main reason for this is San Francisco City going

02:57:32.438 --> 02:57:37.068
down is because of remote working. It's causing businesses

02:57:37.079 --> 02:57:41.418
to crash. So allowing self-driving taxi to expand is

02:57:41.427 --> 02:57:44.068
gonna just make the situation worse. It's gonna cause

02:57:44.079 --> 02:57:47.338
more homelessness, more drugs on the street. We don't

02:57:47.349 --> 02:57:51.978
want that. So I urge you to please vote no for expansion

02:57:51.987 --> 02:57:56.467
of the self-driving car. Thank you. Thank you. Next

02:57:56.478 --> 02:58:01.369
speaker is Barry Toronto.

02:58:01.369 --> 02:58:06.507
Hi, good afternoon. Uh on Monday, we heard from the

02:58:06.518 --> 02:58:10.338
fire department, the police department and the SF MA

02:58:10.349 --> 02:58:13.909
and the impact it has on the services they provide

02:58:14.119 --> 02:58:18.599
Today. You heard from the sanitation workers and from

02:58:18.608 --> 02:58:24.188
and from taxi driving community and from uh the the

02:58:24.197 --> 02:58:28.349
parcel delivery community. So I know a lot of the labor

02:58:28.358 --> 02:58:32.108
unions are divided except the ones who are doing the

02:58:32.119 --> 02:58:37.228
work on the streets are impacted by the by the incidents

02:58:37.237 --> 02:58:41.708
occur, occur with these autonomous vehicles. But I

02:58:41.717 --> 02:58:44.998
want to say don't call them Robotaxis, have them, make

02:58:45.007 --> 02:58:48.068
them buy medallions if you're going to call them Robotaxis

02:58:48.248 --> 02:58:51.898
Because of your decisions over 300 medallions have

02:58:51.909 --> 02:58:55.447
been foreclosed on and and, and this and the airport

02:58:55.458 --> 02:58:58.869
is restricted to only those who have purchased medallions

02:58:58.878 --> 02:59:02.349
I cannot work at the airport. So this, so I urge you

02:59:02.527 --> 02:59:06.188
to understand the ramifications of your decision today

02:59:06.288 --> 02:59:10.389
And to please I ask you to put off the decision and

02:59:10.398 --> 02:59:14.139
to have more regulations and the actual number of clamping

02:59:14.148 --> 02:59:17.049
down. How many can be on the road at one time? I

02:59:17.059 --> 02:59:21.809
see them in groups of 4 to 7 at night. A cab

02:59:21.818 --> 02:59:24.717
driver goes home. These, these drivers just stay on

02:59:24.728 --> 02:59:28.549
the road. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is

02:59:28.559 --> 02:59:35.288
Rachel Clyde.

02:59:35.288 --> 02:59:38.438
Hello, my name is Rachel Clyde. I am a community organizer

02:59:38.447 --> 02:59:41.277
with the San Francisco Bicycle Coalition. We are in

02:59:41.288 --> 02:59:44.978
strong opposition of the A B permit expansion. The

02:59:44.987 --> 02:59:47.728
San Francisco Bicycles coalition is to make bicycling

02:59:47.737 --> 02:59:50.737
accessible to all San Franciscans and to ensure their

02:59:50.748 --> 02:59:52.318
safety and comfort while doing so.

02:59:52.918 --> 02:59:55.458
In our experience, autonomous vehicles operating in

02:59:55.467 --> 02:59:57.928
San Francisco are currently hindering our ability to

02:59:57.936 --> 03:00:00.577
reach the school. We have seen and heard countless

03:00:00.587 --> 03:00:03.257
events where an AV has threatened the safety of a person

03:00:03.266 --> 03:00:06.157
walking or biking. Just two weeks ago, we went on a

03:00:06.167 --> 03:00:08.938
bike ride in the Fillmore with a group of inexperienced

03:00:08.947 --> 03:00:11.877
and new bike riders where an AV almost crashed into

03:00:11.886 --> 03:00:15.787
several bikers someday in the future with strong regulation

03:00:15.848 --> 03:00:18.767
AVS might play a role in street safety but the events

03:00:18.776 --> 03:00:21.598
we've seen recently do not indicate that that day is

03:00:21.607 --> 03:00:24.497
today. We urge the commission to oppose the permit

03:00:24.507 --> 03:00:29.128
expansion today. Thank you. Thank you. Our next three

03:00:29.137 --> 03:00:34.777
speakers are Joseph Nelson Wing Luck and Michael Howie

03:00:34.908 --> 03:00:39.198
Howley.

03:00:39.198 --> 03:00:43.318
Hello, my name is Joseph Nelson and I'm a bicycle advocate

03:00:43.327 --> 03:00:45.558
with the San Francisco Bicycle Commission similar to

03:00:45.568 --> 03:00:48.736
my colleague Rachel. Here

03:00:48.736 --> 03:00:52.347
we are here in opposition to the approval of permits

03:00:52.357 --> 03:00:55.147
allowing AV companies to roam our streets with no fleet

03:00:55.158 --> 03:00:58.986
limits 24 hours a day, seven days a week, every day

03:00:58.998 --> 03:01:01.906
We hear and see more instances of autonomous vehicles

03:01:01.917 --> 03:01:05.167
causing traffic jams inhibiting emergency services

03:01:05.177 --> 03:01:07.757
and endangering road users such as pedestrians and

03:01:07.766 --> 03:01:10.688
bike riders. While we believe these vehicles may play

03:01:10.697 --> 03:01:13.557
a very important part in the future of transportation

03:01:13.787 --> 03:01:16.486
They should not be allowed free range on our streets

03:01:16.498 --> 03:01:19.757
today until these companies are able to prove without

03:01:19.766 --> 03:01:22.568
a doubt that they can operate on our city streets with

03:01:22.578 --> 03:01:27.346
safety, reliability and transparency. We urge the CPUC

03:01:27.427 --> 03:01:30.766
to oppose the expansion of these permit applications

03:01:30.867 --> 03:01:33.137
Thank you.

03:01:33.137 --> 03:01:37.727
Thank you.

03:01:37.727 --> 03:01:44.328
The next speaker is Wing Luck.

03:01:44.328 --> 03:01:53.938
All right, we'll go to Michael Howley.

03:01:53.938 --> 03:01:56.068
Hello, commissioners. My name is Michael Howley and

03:01:56.078 --> 03:01:58.807
I urge you to oppose allowing autonomous vehicle companies

03:01:58.818 --> 03:02:01.618
to expand revenue passenger service. I'm not here to

03:02:01.626 --> 03:02:03.767
tell you that EVs are bad or that these companies should

03:02:03.778 --> 03:02:06.287
be banned. That's not what you're voting on today.

03:02:06.568 --> 03:02:08.626
There are many ways these technologies could be used

03:02:08.637 --> 03:02:10.917
to make money. We're here today because these companies

03:02:10.928 --> 03:02:13.247
have chosen a business plan that requires your consent

03:02:13.257 --> 03:02:16.088
to operate as a public utility. These companies want

03:02:16.096 --> 03:02:17.846
to charge rates because they're in the business of

03:02:17.856 --> 03:02:20.686
making money for investors allowing them to charge

03:02:20.697 --> 03:02:23.537
creates an incentive to maximize profit. This commission

03:02:23.547 --> 03:02:26.517
cannot allow that incentive without ensuring regulations

03:02:26.528 --> 03:02:29.957
control the real world consequences of moving violations

03:02:29.967 --> 03:02:33.436
emergency response interference, accessibility, compliance

03:02:33.447 --> 03:02:36.717
buggy software rollouts and other as yet unknown issues

03:02:36.727 --> 03:02:39.528
with this brand new technology. This commission has

03:02:39.537 --> 03:02:42.846
a mandate to ensure safe, reliable utility service

03:02:42.856 --> 03:02:45.747
at reasonable rates. You wouldn't let PG and E raise

03:02:45.757 --> 03:02:48.957
the rates without adhering to safety regulations allowing

03:02:48.967 --> 03:02:52.447
full revenue service here without any regulations would

03:02:52.457 --> 03:02:55.457
put the passengers and general public at unacceptable

03:02:55.467 --> 03:02:58.106
risk in their current form. Please vote. No. Thank

03:02:58.118 --> 03:03:02.037
you very much. Thank you. The next three speakers are

03:03:02.047 --> 03:03:07.406
Praveen, Vila Lamu Lauren Renault and Jason Beckham

03:03:10.227 --> 03:03:13.987
Hi, my name is Praveen and I am a transportation safety

03:03:13.997 --> 03:03:18.678
researcher for the last 13, 14 years developed and

03:03:18.686 --> 03:03:22.118
developing countries. So even though there are challenges

03:03:22.126 --> 03:03:26.356
with autonomous vehicles, I would like to encourage

03:03:26.368 --> 03:03:31.398
adopting that on a gradually incremental basis so that

03:03:31.406 --> 03:03:35.186
we can roll out all the possible income outcomes from

03:03:35.197 --> 03:03:37.868
that one, especially like when it comes to safety,

03:03:37.876 --> 03:03:39.987
there are different kinds of crashes. So we want to

03:03:39.997 --> 03:03:43.068
look at what kind of crashes are happening to the autonomous

03:03:43.076 --> 03:03:47.178
vehicles which can be eliminated when it comes to California

03:03:47.186 --> 03:03:51.106
and when it comes to innovation, California, we are

03:03:51.118 --> 03:03:55.227
the leaders and if we cannot implement these kinds

03:03:55.237 --> 03:03:58.547
of innovations, then who else? And if you look at like

03:03:58.558 --> 03:04:02.868
how autonomous vehicles are neatly or you know, deployed

03:04:02.876 --> 03:04:06.868
in Phoenix, Arizona, then that's a role model for us

03:04:06.876 --> 03:04:12.687
to implement that. Thank you. Thank you, Lauren Renaud

03:04:16.437 --> 03:04:20.988
Uh Good afternoon. The question is not, are EVs today

03:04:20.996 --> 03:04:23.918
or in the future safer than human drivers? The question

03:04:23.926 --> 03:04:26.967
is not, have people in this room had individual good

03:04:26.978 --> 03:04:30.207
rides in a car here and there. The question is, should

03:04:30.217 --> 03:04:32.866
they be expanded without much regulation? As Michael

03:04:32.877 --> 03:04:36.277
just testified about it seems that there are very clear

03:04:36.288 --> 03:04:39.627
issues they have come up many times that says to me

03:04:39.637 --> 03:04:42.187
that it's pretty obvious we need some rules, we need

03:04:42.197 --> 03:04:44.837
some regulations, we need some more safety. If the

03:04:44.846 --> 03:04:48.457
point of limiting the rollout so far was to learn and

03:04:48.467 --> 03:04:51.897
test before creating regulations because the technology

03:04:51.906 --> 03:04:56.397
is too immature, then stop. The time is now pause,

03:04:56.406 --> 03:04:59.267
make those regulations figure out what safety checks

03:04:59.277 --> 03:05:02.931
need to happen or code goes onto public roads. These

03:05:02.943 --> 03:05:05.702
are private companies testing their private R and D

03:05:05.712 --> 03:05:08.983
on public roads. You are a regulatory agency. Please

03:05:08.991 --> 03:05:12.181
do your job and create regulations. I did not consent

03:05:12.193 --> 03:05:15.301
to be a beta tester walking around on our public streets

03:05:15.312 --> 03:05:20.137
Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is Jason Beckham

03:05:24.577 --> 03:05:29.027
All right, I will go to the next, um, two speakers

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Um,

03:05:35.406 --> 03:05:44.176
and Jay Chatfield.

03:05:44.176 --> 03:05:47.507
Hey, uh, my name is,

03:05:47.507 --> 03:05:52.257
and I'm here to say, let's allow autonomous vehicles

03:05:53.027 --> 03:05:57.277
on sf streets. Um, I'm a software engineer and I grew

03:05:57.288 --> 03:06:02.437
up here in San Francisco and the technology is rapidly

03:06:02.447 --> 03:06:06.687
improving. It's at the point where it can help San

03:06:06.697 --> 03:06:10.837
Francisco and the fact that we can use more modes of

03:06:10.846 --> 03:06:15.207
transportation here in the city. Um, the, you know

03:06:15.217 --> 03:06:18.858
there are people who work evenings and the ability

03:06:18.866 --> 03:06:23.156
to have a vehicle that can pick them up at any time

03:06:23.168 --> 03:06:26.568
of the hour. It's something that San Francisco should

03:06:26.577 --> 03:06:31.358
champion. This brings clean electric, uh, transportation

03:06:31.366 --> 03:06:37.318
to the city. So we have um, cleaner, um modes of transportation

03:06:37.366 --> 03:06:41.676
safety for all the residents here in the city. So I

03:06:41.687 --> 03:06:45.988
think we should be championing this technology to help

03:06:45.996 --> 03:06:49.496
improve San Francisco's infrastructure and not, um

03:06:49.507 --> 03:06:54.568
impede it and stifle innovation. Thank you. Thank you

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The next speaker is Jay Chatfield.

03:07:00.637 --> 03:07:04.116
Hello, my name is Jay Chatfield. I'm a San Francisco

03:07:04.127 --> 03:07:08.327
taxi driver. Um, if not today, I'm sure you will in

03:07:08.337 --> 03:07:11.846
the future approve this. Uh, I'd like to know why cruz

03:07:11.858 --> 03:07:15.327
and won't have to purchase a vehicle for hire. Medallion

03:07:15.337 --> 03:07:19.366
Like an individual cab driver. Uber and Lyft were able

03:07:19.377 --> 03:07:21.988
to skirt existing laws stating they were just an app

03:07:22.668 --> 03:07:25.918
Waymo and crews, however, are massing fleets of vehicles

03:07:25.926 --> 03:07:30.116
for hire. They will both be prearranged and on demand

03:07:30.127 --> 03:07:33.577
Exactly like a San Francisco taxi. The only difference

03:07:33.587 --> 03:07:36.846
being billion dollar companies opposed to individual

03:07:36.858 --> 03:07:41.527
drivers unable to afford lobbyists, Waymo and crew

03:07:41.538 --> 03:07:44.656
should purchase medallions from drivers first, then

03:07:44.668 --> 03:07:49.967
the city. Thank you. Thank you.

03:07:49.967 --> 03:07:52.757
All right. That is the end of the list of speakers

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that I have. But I am going to ask if there's anyone

03:07:55.038 --> 03:07:57.656
else in the room who would like to make a public comment

03:08:00.846 --> 03:08:03.806
All right, I don't see anyone approaching the dias

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So I'm now going to go to the operator to take the

03:08:07.467 --> 03:08:12.197
callers that we have on the phone line operator.

03:08:12.197 --> 03:08:16.627
Thank you. The public comment line is now open if you

03:08:16.637 --> 03:08:19.527
wish to speak during the public comment period, please

03:08:19.538 --> 03:08:22.988
unmute your phone. Press star one and record your first

03:08:22.996 --> 03:08:26.486
and last name slowly and clearly when prompted. We

03:08:26.496 --> 03:08:30.616
currently have 63 and Q. Our first three callers are

03:08:30.626 --> 03:08:34.876
Alan Kornhauser, Alan Marling and Karen Hudson. We

03:08:34.885 --> 03:08:38.226
will go to Alan Kornhauser first. You may go ahead

03:08:38.236 --> 03:08:42.427
Your line is open. I speak today in support of the

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development of safe, affordable equitable, sustainable

03:08:46.398 --> 03:08:49.616
and high quality mobility to improve the lives of all

03:08:49.626 --> 03:08:53.388
institutions. Such mobility can be delivered only through

03:08:53.398 --> 03:08:56.008
the deployment of vehicles that don't encourage the

03:08:56.018 --> 03:08:59.347
high cost of drivers. That's reducing the cost of a

03:08:59.356 --> 03:09:03.568
ride by more than 50% cruise and rain have proven that

03:09:03.577 --> 03:09:06.778
vehicles without drivers can deliver safe demand response

03:09:06.856 --> 03:09:11.138
rides 24 7. But their focus to date has been on technical

03:09:11.148 --> 03:09:15.217
solutions. Affordability is the real value proposition

03:09:15.226 --> 03:09:18.667
because the cost at scale for driverless mobility is

03:09:18.677 --> 03:09:22.398
really inexpensive ride sharing further cuts the cost

03:09:22.408 --> 03:09:25.457
in half. We believe that a well managed state serving

03:09:25.467 --> 03:09:28.626
San Francisco can achieve vehicle productivity of 100

03:09:28.638 --> 03:09:31.986
person trips per vehicle day. Average vehicle occupancies

03:09:31.996 --> 03:09:36.268
of two yielding costs under 85 cents per person trip

03:09:36.278 --> 03:09:40.677
mile and break even fares without subsidies of $2.43

03:09:40.976 --> 03:09:44.197
per person.

03:09:44.197 --> 03:09:47.236
Such low cost makes high quality mobility affordable

03:09:47.246 --> 03:09:50.437
by all, especially by those who need a ride because

03:09:50.447 --> 03:09:54.856
they can't drive themselves. Thank you.

03:09:54.856 --> 03:09:58.577
Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

03:09:58.577 --> 03:10:01.126
Our next caller is Allen Marling. You may go ahead

03:10:01.856 --> 03:10:04.917
President and commissioners. I'm a Livermore resident

03:10:04.927 --> 03:10:08.568
and often visit San Francisco. I oppose a V because

03:10:08.577 --> 03:10:11.837
cars are a dead end technology. They are a scourge

03:10:11.847 --> 03:10:15.557
on cities and unsustainable. Instead we need better

03:10:15.568 --> 03:10:19.746
public transportation. However, I called in today concerning

03:10:19.758 --> 03:10:24.486
solar energy, the C PC must protect Californians from

03:10:24.496 --> 03:10:28.347
the fiery greed of PG and E to avoid wildfires, we

03:10:28.356 --> 03:10:31.616
must reduce our reliance on high voltage lines and

03:10:31.626 --> 03:10:34.626
for that, we need more distributed power such as from

03:10:34.638 --> 03:10:38.087
roofed off solar. The proposal today on multi family

03:10:38.097 --> 03:10:41.888
housing discourages this life saving energy for no

03:10:41.898 --> 03:10:45.908
reason except to enrich colonist corporations guilty

03:10:45.917 --> 03:10:49.447
of burning people alive in their homes. Commissioners

03:10:49.457 --> 03:10:54.366
modified the proposed decision to include on site netting

03:10:54.807 --> 03:10:59.057
then regulate PGE back where it belongs into bankruptcy

03:11:00.856 --> 03:11:05.068
Thank you operator. Next caller please.

03:11:05.068 --> 03:11:07.398
Our next caller is Karen Hudson. You may go ahead and

03:11:09.077 --> 03:11:12.447
um my name is Karen Hudson. I vote. I urge you to

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vote no on hr 3557 when near cell phones or towers

03:11:18.207 --> 03:11:21.518
I get sharp pains in my head. My husband who has low

03:11:21.528 --> 03:11:24.568
cholesterol had a stroke last year causing aphasia

03:11:24.807 --> 03:11:29.606
I'm a two time cancer survivor. We use landline phones

03:11:29.638 --> 03:11:33.087
without phone access. My husband would not have survived

03:11:33.707 --> 03:11:36.967
It was not from cell phone use but studies show cell

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phone use can trigger a stroke and cause premature

03:11:39.937 --> 03:11:43.268
thinning of the cerebral cortex. Cancer rates where

03:11:43.278 --> 03:11:46.996
cell towers are installed exceed 10 times. The average

03:11:47.427 --> 03:11:53.726
in studies reviewed globally, 73.6 showed effects 73.9

03:11:53.736 --> 03:11:58.888
for radio frequency sickness. 76.9 for cancer and 75%

03:11:58.898 --> 03:12:03.167
for changes in biochemical parameters. Older people

03:12:03.177 --> 03:12:07.398
will be adversely affected. Most have landlines have

03:12:07.408 --> 03:12:10.366
never owned cell phones or may not remember how to

03:12:10.376 --> 03:12:14.207
use them in an emergency.

03:12:14.207 --> 03:12:18.606
Households currently use copper landline phones. A

03:12:18.616 --> 03:12:22.587
Harvard Harvard City showed that EMF radiation from

03:12:22.597 --> 03:12:25.158
looking at a cell phone is directly related to brain

03:12:25.167 --> 03:12:30.856
changes. I urge you to vote now on hr 355 7. Thank

03:12:30.888 --> 03:12:37.447
you. Thank you operator call, please.

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And our next three calls are Alan Whitmore, Pat Patty

03:12:41.687 --> 03:12:45.577
Wick and Julia Ross. We will go to Alan Whitmore. Next

03:12:45.587 --> 03:12:49.476
you may go ahead. Hello, I'm here today to express

03:12:49.486 --> 03:12:52.398
my strong support for the expansion of riders ride

03:12:52.408 --> 03:12:56.226
hail services in the city of San Francisco as we are

03:12:56.236 --> 03:12:58.417
increasingly have new tools to move our world towards

03:12:58.427 --> 03:13:01.018
cleaner and more sustainable transportation. It's crucial

03:13:01.028 --> 03:13:03.246
that we embrace innovative solutions that reduce our

03:13:03.258 --> 03:13:07.106
carbon footprint and enhance urban mobility. The ABC

03:13:07.116 --> 03:13:09.717
that we've seen successfully deployed in San Francisco

03:13:09.726 --> 03:13:12.476
represent a significant step forward in achieving the

03:13:12.486 --> 03:13:15.347
climate, access and broader societal goals with the

03:13:15.356 --> 03:13:18.626
coalition for reimagining mobility and safe share by

03:13:18.638 --> 03:13:21.226
expanding service. Excuse me, expanding service in

03:13:21.236 --> 03:13:23.226
San Francisco. These services have the potential to

03:13:23.236 --> 03:13:26.278
improve traffic traffic congestion reduce air pollution

03:13:26.508 --> 03:13:29.457
increase accessibility and provide a safe mode of transportation

03:13:29.467 --> 03:13:32.077
for residents and visits alike. We know this isn't

03:13:32.087 --> 03:13:35.068
a silver solution but the bottom line is that supporting

03:13:35.077 --> 03:13:37.217
the expansion will help build a more resilient and

03:13:37.547 --> 03:13:40.888
city and act as improving down for other cities in

03:13:40.898 --> 03:13:44.008
our nation. In conclusion, I urge the CPUC to vote

03:13:44.018 --> 03:13:46.996
in favor of driverless right ha expansion in San Francisco

03:13:47.197 --> 03:13:49.888
that ac opportunity contribute to a greener future

03:13:51.626 --> 03:13:55.068
and stronger local economy. Thank you. Thank you. Operate

03:13:55.077 --> 03:13:58.827
our next call, please.

03:13:58.827 --> 03:14:03.138
Our next caller is Patty Glick. You may go ahead. Thank

03:14:03.148 --> 03:14:06.787
you, Patty Glick of the Aliso Moms Alliance. I urge

03:14:06.797 --> 03:14:10.518
the commissioners to vote against any increase in capacity

03:14:10.528 --> 03:14:15.587
at Aliso Canyon. Instead, please enact the 2022 staff

03:14:15.597 --> 03:14:20.547
proposal to shut down Aliso by 2027. The latest more

03:14:20.557 --> 03:14:25.449
gas stored at Aliso means more. If a quake erupts on

03:14:25.461 --> 03:14:28.520
a fault line which runs through every well or on one

03:14:28.530 --> 03:14:31.559
of the other fault lines in the area, more gas stored

03:14:31.569 --> 03:14:36.101
at this very high fire hazard security zone means more

03:14:36.111 --> 03:14:40.170
danger. If a fire reaches the wells, more gas means

03:14:40.179 --> 03:14:44.683
more polyox emissions of the car engine. We've already

03:14:44.693 --> 03:14:47.843
seen too many of our family members and neighbors become

03:14:47.853 --> 03:14:51.124
diagnosed with cancer and other serious diseases that

03:14:51.133 --> 03:14:55.093
could be related to the lethal facility. Nearly 2 million

03:14:55.103 --> 03:14:59.153
people are at risk every day that Lisa remains in operation

03:14:59.164 --> 03:15:02.712
Let's get our state on the right path and off of this

03:15:02.723 --> 03:15:07.496
dangerous fossil fuel. Thank you. Thank you. Operate

03:15:07.508 --> 03:15:11.758
our next caller, please.

03:15:11.758 --> 03:15:20.927
Our next scholar is Julia Ross. You may go ahead

03:15:20.927 --> 03:15:23.337
again, Julia Ross, your line is open. You may go ahead

03:15:23.347 --> 03:15:25.268
We're not able to hear you. Please check your mute

03:15:25.278 --> 03:15:36.518
button.

03:15:36.518 --> 03:15:39.557
And should we go to the next caller? Yes, please. Thank

03:15:39.568 --> 03:15:43.356
you operator. Our next three callers are Ari Kenner

03:15:43.366 --> 03:15:47.807
Stephanie Sier and Audrey Ichinose. We will go to Ari

03:15:47.818 --> 03:15:52.818
Kenner. May go ahead uh as an avid biker in San Francisco

03:15:52.827 --> 03:15:56.366
for the last 25 years. I average about uh 50 miles

03:15:56.376 --> 03:15:58.967
a week on my bike. I bike everywhere and I can tell

03:15:58.976 --> 03:16:02.888
you we wouldn't need bike lanes if all the cars on

03:16:02.898 --> 03:16:07.207
the road were automated cars. I strongly urge you to

03:16:07.337 --> 03:16:10.447
try to get as many automated driver cars as we can

03:16:10.457 --> 03:16:13.638
on the street for the safety of me, my kids and my

03:16:13.648 --> 03:16:17.236
fellow bikers.

03:16:17.236 --> 03:16:21.057
Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

03:16:21.057 --> 03:16:23.687
Our next caller is Stephanie Si. You may go ahead.

03:16:25.986 --> 03:16:30.057
Hi, my name is Stephanie Kiper. Um I'm calling to urge

03:16:30.068 --> 03:16:33.837
you to vote no on expanding the automated vehicles

03:16:34.138 --> 03:16:37.226
Um, automated cars cause danger to other vehicles,

03:16:37.236 --> 03:16:39.528
cyclists and pedestrians. They also pose a risk for

03:16:39.537 --> 03:16:41.996
emergency vehicles by blocking them from accessing

03:16:42.008 --> 03:16:45.597
roads. The future of San Francisco needs less cars

03:16:45.606 --> 03:16:48.976
and more public transportation and cycling infrastructure

03:16:48.986 --> 03:16:53.996
not automated vehicles. Thank you. Thank you, operator

03:16:54.008 --> 03:16:56.797
Next caller, please

03:16:56.797 --> 03:17:00.827
Our next scholar is Audrey. I, you may go ahead. Thank

03:17:00.837 --> 03:17:04.527
you. My name is Audrey. I live in South Berkeley on

03:17:04.537 --> 03:17:08.228
the Oakland border. We're a small landlord with a duplex

03:17:08.238 --> 03:17:12.307
in the back and I wish to address the issue of VMM

03:17:12.318 --> 03:17:17.416
And M MA I urge the commission to include on site netting

03:17:17.426 --> 03:17:21.116
in the proposed decision sharing the benefits of solar

03:17:21.125 --> 03:17:25.676
and storage benefits, tenement tenants and landlords

03:17:25.696 --> 03:17:30.227
But to my mind, more important is that including on

03:17:30.235 --> 03:17:34.246
site netting would substantially facilitate the necessary

03:17:34.256 --> 03:17:39.317
dialogue and solutions that we must have on how landlords

03:17:39.327 --> 03:17:43.665
and tenants can share, share equitably the costs and

03:17:43.676 --> 03:17:47.367
benefits of adopting clean energy solutions. I recently

03:17:47.377 --> 03:17:50.877
returned from a family event in Hawaii and the current

03:17:50.886 --> 03:17:55.436
wildfire catastrophe on Maui underscores how urgently

03:17:55.448 --> 03:17:59.698
change is needed. We should all stand ready landlords

03:17:59.708 --> 03:18:04.617
and tenants to do our part to mitigate

03:18:04.617 --> 03:18:07.926
very much. Thank you, operator. Next color, please

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And our next scholars are Howard Su Gabriel Kauffman

03:18:16.698 --> 03:18:20.117
and Heat.

03:18:20.117 --> 03:18:22.837
We'll go with Howard Sue. Your line is open. You may

03:18:22.847 --> 03:18:30.208
go ahead

03:18:30.208 --> 03:18:32.347
again, Howard Sue. We're not able to hear you. Please

03:18:32.357 --> 03:18:34.686
check your mute button. I'm here. Hello. Can you hear

03:18:34.698 --> 03:18:39.646
me? Yes, we can. Hello. Oh, awesome. Ok. Uh yeah, my

03:18:39.656 --> 03:18:42.087
name is Howard too. I'm a proud resident of San Francisco's

03:18:42.097 --> 03:18:45.107
Bernal Heights neighborhood um here to express my unwavering

03:18:45.117 --> 03:18:47.906
support for autonomous vehicles and specifically cruise

03:18:47.916 --> 03:18:51.307
A VS and their expansion across San Francisco. I personally

03:18:51.318 --> 03:18:53.307
experienced the convenience and safety that they bring

03:18:53.318 --> 03:18:56.468
to our city uh compared to Uber or Lyft Cruise A vs

03:18:56.478 --> 03:18:59.646
provide consistency and predictability. They stay in

03:18:59.656 --> 03:19:02.347
their lane, avoid obstacles while never exceeding their

03:19:02.357 --> 03:19:06.577
set maximum speed of 35 MPH. This contrasts with personal

03:19:06.587 --> 03:19:08.627
experiences of sitting with rideshare drivers that

03:19:08.636 --> 03:19:11.208
speed and weep through traffic to get to their next

03:19:11.218 --> 03:19:13.718
fare quicker or those that become distracted with their

03:19:13.728 --> 03:19:16.436
smartphones as they juggle ride requests from both

03:19:16.448 --> 03:19:20.228
rideshare apps. The technology gives me peace of mind

03:19:20.238 --> 03:19:22.686
especially as my daughter approaches her teenage years

03:19:22.698 --> 03:19:25.228
and becomes more independent. I would feel more at

03:19:25.238 --> 03:19:27.557
ease putting her in a cruise A V knowing she will not

03:19:27.568 --> 03:19:30.896
be exposed to distracted drivers. Truth is I just wouldn't

03:19:30.906 --> 03:19:33.367
put her in a car with a stranger. I look forward to

03:19:33.377 --> 03:19:35.027
being able to put her in a cruise A V to ST

03:19:35.057 --> 03:19:37.208
in town when my wife and I aren't available to take

03:19:37.218 --> 03:19:40.107
her or for those occasions, she's too embarrassed to

03:19:40.117 --> 03:19:42.958
be dropped off by her parents.

03:19:42.958 --> 03:19:45.228
The commission will have a hand in making this a reality

03:19:45.238 --> 03:19:48.886
not just for my family but for everyone. Um I strongly

03:19:48.896 --> 03:19:52.186
urge the public utilities commission to yes in allowing

03:19:52.198 --> 03:19:54.948
Cruz and we to expand their services. Thank you for

03:19:54.958 --> 03:19:57.988
your time. Thank you operator. Next caller, please

03:20:00.257 --> 03:20:04.478
Our next call is Gabriel Kaufman. You may go ahead

03:20:29.998 --> 03:20:36.728
with emergency vehicles blocking cops and first responders

03:20:36.738 --> 03:20:41.386
and causing huge risks and operations in the city.

03:20:44.027 --> 03:20:47.087
We just can't have so many cars in the city because

03:20:47.097 --> 03:20:53.198
this adds to pollution

03:20:53.198 --> 03:20:56.676
and also they don't pull over. So traffic comes to

03:20:56.686 --> 03:20:59.698
a standstill, especially in certain intersections and

03:20:59.708 --> 03:21:03.367
we can't afford to have more and more cars in the city

03:21:04.867 --> 03:21:09.867
It'll just continue to get worse and worse.

03:21:09.867 --> 03:21:13.146
They promised that they would be sustainable and they're

03:21:13.156 --> 03:21:18.498
actually causing worse congestion.

03:21:18.498 --> 03:21:22.386
We want to really try to reach our environmental goals

03:21:23.718 --> 03:21:25.708
and to be able to do this, we need to not have

03:21:25.718 --> 03:21:28.347
so many cars and to be able to cap way more in

03:21:31.968 --> 03:21:35.416
and really all commercial vehicles to be able to make

03:21:35.426 --> 03:21:39.136
sure that things are sustainable. Thank you. Thank

03:21:39.146 --> 03:21:45.007
you operator. Next caller, please.

03:21:45.007 --> 03:21:50.377
Our next caller is Kyoko Gino. You may go ahead.

03:21:50.377 --> 03:21:54.517
Uh Hi, my name is Kyoko Hino. I live next door to

03:21:54.627 --> 03:21:59.627
Addisu Canyon storage for 16 years. I urge you to reject

03:21:59.636 --> 03:22:03.527
the proposal to increase the capacity of Aiso Canyon

03:22:03.827 --> 03:22:08.857
and support to shut down the facility by 2027. I, my

03:22:08.867 --> 03:22:12.708
family, pets and the community were greatly suffered

03:22:12.718 --> 03:22:17.087
physically, mentally and financially by the gas blowout

03:22:17.097 --> 03:22:20.837
and ongoing invisible toxic plume of chemicals through

03:22:20.847 --> 03:22:24.748
the facility. The proposal will increase the level

03:22:24.757 --> 03:22:29.017
of carcinogen in our community including BEN, which

03:22:29.027 --> 03:22:33.396
is already increasing trend since the opening of the

03:22:33.406 --> 03:22:38.517
facility after the blowout has recent report. Uh It

03:22:38.527 --> 03:22:44.238
will also rock us up um in the dependency on gas which

03:22:44.248 --> 03:22:47.827
makes impossible to meet the California's goal to carbon

03:22:47.896 --> 03:22:51.978
free future. It is your responsibility to take initiative

03:22:54.176 --> 03:22:57.478
at the pro proposal. Thank you. Thank you operator

03:22:57.488 --> 03:23:01.007
Next caller, please.

03:23:01.007 --> 03:23:04.498
Our next three colors are Aaron Waters, Dr Matthew

03:23:05.156 --> 03:23:09.277
Deleo and Suzanne Reyna. We'll go with Aaron Waters

03:23:09.287 --> 03:23:12.818
You may go ahead. Hi. My name is Aaron Waters. I'm

03:23:12.827 --> 03:23:16.307
an apprentice with the IBEW local six. I'm calling

03:23:16.318 --> 03:23:19.666
in support of cruise and applications to expand their

03:23:19.676 --> 03:23:22.787
all electrical vehicle ride, ride hail services. Uh

03:23:22.797 --> 03:23:25.587
The expansion will provide valuable training opportunities

03:23:25.867 --> 03:23:28.277
for local apprentices and prepares for the expansion

03:23:28.287 --> 03:23:31.068
of the green economy and environmentally friendly greenhouse

03:23:31.077 --> 03:23:35.248
gas, free transportation. Thank you. Thank you operator

03:23:35.257 --> 03:23:40.386
Next caller, please.

03:23:40.386 --> 03:23:43.708
Our next caller is Dr Matthew Deleo. You may go ahead

03:23:44.748 --> 03:23:48.507
Yes. Hi. I am a geology professor at Cal State Northridge

03:23:48.517 --> 03:23:51.896
an earthquake geologist and I have testified before

03:23:51.906 --> 03:23:54.896
the joint legislative committee for emergency management

03:23:54.906 --> 03:23:58.468
back in 2019 about the Aliso Canyon gas storage facility

03:23:58.557 --> 03:24:00.988
I just wanted to remind you about some of the things

03:24:00.998 --> 03:24:05.307
about it that are really important. All 66 active wells

03:24:05.318 --> 03:24:08.666
at the site are cut by the Santa Susana fault and that

03:24:08.676 --> 03:24:12.297
fault is capable of generating magnitude seven earthquakes

03:24:13.007 --> 03:24:17.176
And according to SOCAL gas analysis, such a large earthquake

03:24:17.186 --> 03:24:20.847
could cause in the worst case scenario, all 66 wells

03:24:20.857 --> 03:24:23.847
to rupture simultaneously causing blowouts on every

03:24:23.857 --> 03:24:27.007
single one of them with about three times more gas

03:24:27.017 --> 03:24:30.017
released. The rate of gas released is three times higher

03:24:30.027 --> 03:24:33.277
than the 2015 blowout. This is not the place to put

03:24:33.287 --> 03:24:36.827
a gas storage, a critical facility. So I urge you to

03:24:36.837 --> 03:24:41.107
deny any requests to expand it and to work on closing

03:24:41.117 --> 03:24:45.587
it at the timeline specified in the governor's request

03:24:45.597 --> 03:24:48.718
Thank you so much. Thank you. Upgrade our next color

03:24:48.728 --> 03:24:57.926
please.

03:24:57.926 --> 03:25:00.458
Our next caller is Suzanne Rana. You may go ahead.

03:25:01.307 --> 03:25:06.107
Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Fantastic. Thank

03:25:06.117 --> 03:25:08.367
you. Good afternoon commissioners. My name is Suzanne

03:25:08.377 --> 03:25:11.787
Rayna. I appreciate the opportunity to express my support

03:25:11.797 --> 03:25:15.238
for Cruz's deployment permit and the draft resolution

03:25:15.248 --> 03:25:20.057
tl 19145. In addition to the incredible environmental

03:25:20.068 --> 03:25:23.936
and economic benefits provided by Cruise's technology

03:25:23.948 --> 03:25:26.557
the company is committed to being a good community

03:25:26.568 --> 03:25:29.777
partner in each of the regions that it's operating

03:25:29.787 --> 03:25:33.666
in a more sustainable city relies not only on its climate

03:25:33.676 --> 03:25:37.307
goals being met, but the ability for its residents

03:25:37.318 --> 03:25:41.406
to thrive in quality jobs to assist in that effort

03:25:41.416 --> 03:25:44.837
Cruz has created a program called Future Work to provide

03:25:44.847 --> 03:25:47.936
career support to communities and individuals who are

03:25:47.948 --> 03:25:52.367
historically under represented in tech in partnership

03:25:52.377 --> 03:25:55.068
with local and nonprofit organizations. Future work

03:25:55.077 --> 03:25:57.857
provides educational and skill building activities

03:25:57.867 --> 03:26:00.568
to the community. This is a wonderful opportunity for

03:26:00.577 --> 03:26:03.708
both residents and businesses across the state. And

03:26:03.718 --> 03:26:06.426
I urge you to approve this item before you so that

03:26:06.436 --> 03:26:09.757
we can continue.

03:26:09.757 --> 03:26:13.087
Thank you. Thank you, operator Nick color, please.

03:26:15.886 --> 03:26:19.777
Our next caller is Matt Paco. We save the Porter Ranch

03:26:19.787 --> 03:26:22.847
You may go ahead.

03:26:22.847 --> 03:26:25.186
Hey, my name is Matt. I'm just speaking as a Valley

03:26:25.198 --> 03:26:27.877
resident in San Fernando Valley. Regarding investigation

03:26:27.886 --> 03:26:33.436
17 02002. I employ you to not approve any storage increases

03:26:33.448 --> 03:26:36.557
for the SOCAL gas Leo Canyon facility and urge you

03:26:36.568 --> 03:26:39.748
to adopt your own staff proposal to close that facility

03:26:39.757 --> 03:26:44.087
by 2007 and to reinstate the mitigation measures required

03:26:44.097 --> 03:26:46.906
right after the gas blow out there that worked and

03:26:46.916 --> 03:26:50.198
have been removed by you before you consider any increased

03:26:50.208 --> 03:26:54.396
storage. And again, that facility was shut down bypassing

03:26:54.406 --> 03:26:57.926
the C PC because of the health disaster it caused in

03:26:57.936 --> 03:27:02.377
the blowout in the nearby communities. So health issues

03:27:02.386 --> 03:27:05.057
are a reliability issue and they must be addressed

03:27:05.077 --> 03:27:08.728
and also a Q MD data from 2021. The latest available

03:27:08.738 --> 03:27:12.198
at that facility when the pressure was lower before

03:27:12.208 --> 03:27:16.097
you approved the increase in November 21 shows an increase

03:27:16.107 --> 03:27:19.787
year over year in benzene, a known carcinogen and other

03:27:19.797 --> 03:27:23.656
toxins after the blowout. That place continues to deteriorate

03:27:23.666 --> 03:27:27.468
It needs to be retired according to

03:27:27.468 --> 03:27:29.238
the least you could do is look at the latest A Q

03:27:29.327 --> 03:27:32.367
MD data before making any decisions. Thank you. Thank

03:27:32.377 --> 03:27:36.617
you, operator. Next caller, please.

03:27:36.617 --> 03:27:39.738
Our next three callers are Annie Hens, Adam Anderson

03:27:39.748 --> 03:27:43.377
and Jeff Shield. We'll go to Annie Hen. Next, your

03:27:43.386 --> 03:27:46.867
line is open. You may Go ahead and, hi, my name is

03:27:46.877 --> 03:27:50.267
Annie and, and I'm a resident of San Francisco. I support

03:27:50.277 --> 03:27:53.498
Cruz's ability to expand across San Francisco. I'm

03:27:53.507 --> 03:27:55.857
a young woman and a student who came to know Cruz through

03:27:55.867 --> 03:27:58.587
their partnership with the University of San Francisco

03:27:58.777 --> 03:28:01.248
Cruz has allowed me and my friends to get safe and

03:28:01.257 --> 03:28:03.636
easy rides around the city at night and early in the

03:28:03.646 --> 03:28:06.208
mornings where I never have to think twice about my

03:28:06.218 --> 03:28:08.686
safety like I would on public transport where I've

03:28:08.698 --> 03:28:12.307
had several close calls or in some Ubers or lifts because

03:28:12.318 --> 03:28:14.676
of this, I urge you to vote. Yes. In Cruz's ability

03:28:14.686 --> 03:28:17.097
to expand within San Francisco and help ensure the

03:28:17.107 --> 03:28:20.318
safety of other people like me in the city. Thank you

03:28:21.547 --> 03:28:25.537
Thank you, operator. Next color, please.

03:28:25.537 --> 03:28:28.347
Our next caller is Adam Anderson. You may go ahead

03:28:28.357 --> 03:28:33.087
Your line is open. Hi there. Long time residents, each

03:28:33.097 --> 03:28:35.646
company here I think should be judged on their own

03:28:35.656 --> 03:28:39.117
individual track record. But without the data sharing

03:28:39.127 --> 03:28:41.718
that's impossible. We've heard a lot about the passenger

03:28:41.728 --> 03:28:44.498
safety. But what about the rest of us walking in the

03:28:44.507 --> 03:28:48.047
streets of Sf Waymo seems to be doing a little bit

03:28:48.057 --> 03:28:51.767
better of a job, taking it slow. But the crews AVS

03:28:52.037 --> 03:28:54.936
and their machine learning have already turned their

03:28:54.948 --> 03:28:59.818
cars into aggressive robots, constantly making me feel

03:28:59.827 --> 03:29:02.867
threatened while crossing the street or riding my bike

03:29:02.877 --> 03:29:06.257
multiple times. Just this week, the vehicle was turning

03:29:06.267 --> 03:29:09.337
the corner while I'm still in the crosswalk and instead

03:29:09.347 --> 03:29:12.287
of slowing down and playing it safe, it aggressively

03:29:12.297 --> 03:29:15.636
tried to swerve around me as I stopped in surprise

03:29:16.228 --> 03:29:19.307
and just baffled that it was even allowed on the street

03:29:19.327 --> 03:29:23.077
as it is, let alone being given permission for more

03:29:23.087 --> 03:29:27.517
of these rambunctious Johnny cabs, unfettered access

03:29:27.527 --> 03:29:30.436
to our dear city again. You know, where is the data

03:29:30.448 --> 03:29:34.988
I urge you to vote. No, on

03:29:34.988 --> 03:29:38.257
our hungry companies, especially crews and their robots

03:29:38.267 --> 03:29:42.198
from turning our town into a dystopian nightmare for

03:29:42.208 --> 03:29:45.208
those of us that are left fixed. Thank you, operator

03:29:45.218 --> 03:29:49.926
Next caller, please.

03:29:49.926 --> 03:29:52.577
Our next caller is Jeff Shields. You may go ahead.

03:29:53.787 --> 03:29:56.896
Thank you, President Reynolds and members of the commission

03:29:56.906 --> 03:30:01.136
My name is Jeff Shields. I for the last decade longer

03:30:01.146 --> 03:30:05.017
than that 12 years have served as the treasurer for

03:30:05.027 --> 03:30:08.916
turn the utility reform network. I'm calling on a frustration

03:30:08.926 --> 03:30:12.537
that the commissions put consumer interest in jeopardy

03:30:12.547 --> 03:30:15.396
of losing effective professional representation at

03:30:15.406 --> 03:30:20.708
your proceedings uh as a result of this uh lack of

03:30:20.718 --> 03:30:24.307
inter compensation and the backlog that I've never

03:30:24.318 --> 03:30:27.017
seen in the last 12 years to the extent that it exists

03:30:27.027 --> 03:30:31.797
today. Uh You put the physical integrity of turn at

03:30:31.807 --> 03:30:35.636
risk and the board frankly can no longer stand down

03:30:35.646 --> 03:30:39.267
on this issue. I really implore you to take immediate

03:30:39.277 --> 03:30:43.896
and decisive action and to remedy this injustice. Thank

03:30:43.906 --> 03:30:51.436
you. Thank you, operator. Next caller, please.

03:30:51.436 --> 03:30:55.277
Our next three colors are Isaia, Beverly Heilig and

03:30:55.287 --> 03:30:59.587
Julie Kornstein we will go to is next. You may go ahead

03:30:59.597 --> 03:31:05.867
Your line is open. Thank you. Um I'm addressing the

03:31:05.877 --> 03:31:13.166
uh AT&T application. Um Communication is the key to

03:31:13.176 --> 03:31:18.318
life. CPSC do not give at and t the right to cancel

03:31:18.327 --> 03:31:25.877
out our safe, reliable landline communication. My power

03:31:25.886 --> 03:31:30.218
was out because of storms for over a week. My sheets

03:31:30.228 --> 03:31:35.198
were cold and damp but I had my old reliable landline

03:31:36.257 --> 03:31:41.738
do not allow AT&T to rob us of our right to reliable

03:31:41.748 --> 03:31:47.367
and safe communication. I want to keep my landline

03:31:47.636 --> 03:31:53.527
deny AT&T application to cancel out our amazing landlines

03:31:53.537 --> 03:31:57.547
Thank you. Thank you operator. Next caller, please

03:32:00.228 --> 03:32:02.857
Our next caller is Beverly Heilig. You may go ahead

03:32:04.077 --> 03:32:08.926
Yes. My name is Beverly Heilig. I'm 79 years old and

03:32:08.936 --> 03:32:11.988
driving is getting more difficult all the time, especially

03:32:11.998 --> 03:32:15.998
night driving for me to have another technology that

03:32:16.007 --> 03:32:19.557
would give myself and my friends who are all aging

03:32:19.676 --> 03:32:23.377
the ability to go to the store, go to doctor's appointments

03:32:23.636 --> 03:32:27.337
and especially social engagements when we are looking

03:32:27.347 --> 03:32:29.656
forward to probably not being able to drive in the

03:32:29.666 --> 03:32:35.228
future at a, at a later date. So to maintain the way

03:32:35.238 --> 03:32:37.568
I look at it to maintain a full life in our senior

03:32:37.577 --> 03:32:41.267
years is the objective, aloneness and isolation is

03:32:41.277 --> 03:32:45.396
the problem if we can't get out when we need to. So

03:32:45.406 --> 03:32:48.676
I really do believe that this is the future. So please

03:32:48.686 --> 03:32:52.568
vote Yes, and thank you very much for your time today

03:32:52.777 --> 03:32:57.218
Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

03:32:57.218 --> 03:32:59.787
Our next caller is Julie Kornstein. You may go ahead

03:33:00.557 --> 03:33:05.936
Hello, my name is Julie Kornstein. I am against any

03:33:05.948 --> 03:33:09.537
increase of gas at Aliso Canyon. I want the commission

03:33:09.547 --> 03:33:14.238
to vote. Yes. On staff's proposal to close Aliso by

03:33:14.248 --> 03:33:18.837
2027. At the latest, I moved into the Porter Ranch

03:33:18.847 --> 03:33:23.117
area over 45 years ago. We knew nothing about the gas

03:33:23.127 --> 03:33:28.757
company storing over 80 billion cubic feet of natural

03:33:28.767 --> 03:33:32.568
gas in the hills behind our homes and our schools.

03:33:32.577 --> 03:33:37.577
We knew nothing until the massive methane explosion

03:33:37.797 --> 03:33:43.057
that affected our lives forever. No one was ever warned

03:33:43.507 --> 03:33:47.458
We live in a geographic seismic area with two fault

03:33:47.468 --> 03:33:51.277
lines. The North Ridge earthquake was massive with

03:33:51.287 --> 03:33:55.517
extensive damage and loss of lives. The wells are also

03:33:55.527 --> 03:33:59.297
in a fire zone area where there have been massive fires

03:33:59.307 --> 03:34:03.767
one being caused by the gas company causing the community

03:34:03.776 --> 03:34:09.037
to be evacuated. It feels like

03:34:09.037 --> 03:34:12.618
we feel like we have a hydrogen bomb about to go off

03:34:12.627 --> 03:34:17.078
at any time in the hills behind our homes. I implore

03:34:17.087 --> 03:34:21.006
you, please do not increase the capacity at Aliso Canyon

03:34:21.037 --> 03:34:25.046
and please support closing the facility. Thank you

03:34:25.057 --> 03:34:30.437
Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

03:34:30.437 --> 03:34:34.276
Our next three callers are Arian Marcus, Teresa, Brady

03:34:34.287 --> 03:34:38.026
and Thomas Foley, Arian Marcus. You may go ahead. Your

03:34:38.037 --> 03:34:41.437
mind is open. Thank you. Uh good afternoon and thank

03:34:41.446 --> 03:34:44.256
you, Commissioner I know today has been a slog. Uh

03:34:44.267 --> 03:34:47.828
My name is Arian San Francisco resident of 15 years

03:34:47.837 --> 03:34:51.446
and an avid cyclist. Um I've been riding happily with

03:34:51.638 --> 03:34:54.578
for over a year now. And the only time I feel safe

03:34:54.587 --> 03:34:58.167
riding my bike on our streets is when I'm around autonomous

03:34:58.178 --> 03:35:01.446
vehicles. Uh San Francisco really has the opportunity

03:35:01.457 --> 03:35:04.506
to lead the country in addressing the preventable epidemic

03:35:04.517 --> 03:35:08.078
of vehicle related deaths and injuries. Uh way and

03:35:08.087 --> 03:35:10.658
crews really have a tangible solution here. And I understand

03:35:10.667 --> 03:35:13.337
some of the opposition to a tech are concerned about

03:35:13.348 --> 03:35:17.417
the replacement of jobs as well as other traffic related

03:35:17.428 --> 03:35:20.377
issues. But if someone prefers a human to help with

03:35:20.388 --> 03:35:22.607
their luggage or boxes, then there's an option for

03:35:22.618 --> 03:35:25.006
that. If you don't want to ride in an navy, you don't

03:35:25.017 --> 03:35:28.138
have to, no one is forcing anyone to do that. But by

03:35:28.147 --> 03:35:31.526
approving crews and we application today, we'll have

03:35:31.537 --> 03:35:34.318
access to innovative and sustainable and most importantly

03:35:34.328 --> 03:35:39.207
safer options, transit options today that translates

03:35:39.216 --> 03:35:42.397
to immediate live stage. So let's show the world that

03:35:42.408 --> 03:35:44.986
San Francisco

03:35:44.986 --> 03:35:47.977
for progress. We know it can be and keep the companies

03:35:47.986 --> 03:35:50.888
and jobs in California and not end up on another story

03:35:50.897 --> 03:35:54.118
on clocks. Um And lastly, I just wanted to recommend

03:35:54.127 --> 03:35:56.716
those who in the room who say wheelchair users are

03:35:56.727 --> 03:36:01.477
not able to access cars and suggest you look up wheelchair

03:36:01.486 --> 03:36:04.578
accessible vehicle wave program which is available

03:36:04.587 --> 03:36:08.118
and in use, I urge you to approve the application today

03:36:08.127 --> 03:36:11.328
Thank you. Thank you operator. Next caller, please

03:36:13.296 --> 03:36:21.638
Our next caller is Teresa Brady. You may go ahead

03:36:21.638 --> 03:36:24.098
again, Teresa Brady, your line is open. We're not able

03:36:24.107 --> 03:36:27.437
to hear you. Please check your mute button. Oh, ok

03:36:27.446 --> 03:36:31.908
Can you hear me now? We can please go ahead. My name

03:36:31.917 --> 03:36:35.216
is Brady and I'm against any increase in storage of

03:36:35.227 --> 03:36:40.318
gas at Aliso Canyon and I also want you to vote. Yes

03:36:40.328 --> 03:36:44.408
on the staff report to close Aliso Canyon by 2027.

03:36:45.756 --> 03:36:49.957
Thank you. Thank you. Operate our next caller, please

03:36:51.767 --> 03:36:54.537
Our next caller is Thomas Foley. You may go ahead.

03:36:55.276 --> 03:36:57.466
Thank you for the opportunity. Again, my name is Thomas

03:36:57.477 --> 03:37:00.607
Foley. I'm a person who is totally blind, but I'm also

03:37:00.618 --> 03:37:04.328
the CEO of the National Disability Institute. Um We

03:37:04.337 --> 03:37:08.337
work exclusively on issues of financial and economic

03:37:08.348 --> 03:37:11.638
inclusion for people with disabilities. Um The current

03:37:11.647 --> 03:37:14.057
workforce participation rate for folks with disabilities

03:37:14.068 --> 03:37:19.107
is 21% versus 67% for people without disabilities.

03:37:19.658 --> 03:37:24.587
And one critical barrier to integrated employment for

03:37:24.598 --> 03:37:26.957
people with disabilities is transportation. It's one

03:37:26.966 --> 03:37:29.587
of the most highly cited issues for people with all

03:37:29.598 --> 03:37:32.187
sorts of different disabilities. It's that lack of

03:37:32.196 --> 03:37:37.337
affordable accessible transportation. Um autonomous

03:37:37.348 --> 03:37:41.946
accessible vehicles are a potential solution for these

03:37:41.957 --> 03:37:46.587
issues. Our economic analysis indicates that for people

03:37:46.598 --> 03:37:49.767
with disabilities with widespread adoption of accessible

03:37:49.776 --> 03:37:55.417
autonomous vehicles, 4.4 million people with disabilities

03:37:55.428 --> 03:37:59.807
would be able to join the workforce

03:37:59.807 --> 03:38:04.417
$160 billion in earnings for people with disabilities

03:38:04.428 --> 03:38:11.477
and $867 billion to the economy. So please choose progress

03:38:11.486 --> 03:38:16.057
choose inclusion and choose expansion of rideshare

03:38:16.068 --> 03:38:20.506
services. Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

03:38:22.678 --> 03:38:26.707
Our next three colors are Marlon Cruz Murcia, Stephanie

03:38:26.977 --> 03:38:31.397
Dimon and Cyrus Hall. Our next caller is Marlon Cruz

03:38:31.408 --> 03:38:35.348
Murcia. You may go ahead and your line is open. Thank

03:38:35.357 --> 03:38:38.307
you. Hello, my name is Marlon. I have been a resident

03:38:38.318 --> 03:38:41.267
of San Francisco my entire life and I am here to ask

03:38:41.276 --> 03:38:45.307
commissioners to vote for the expansion of A V services

03:38:46.057 --> 03:38:48.598
I believe that expanding driverless vehicle services

03:38:48.607 --> 03:38:52.138
represents a monumental stride towards redefining urban

03:38:52.147 --> 03:38:56.167
mobility. These services offer not just convenience

03:38:56.187 --> 03:38:59.928
but an avenue to address traffic congestion and pollution

03:39:00.236 --> 03:39:03.287
by optimizing routes and eliminating human induced

03:39:03.296 --> 03:39:07.388
errors. They can enhance safety and reduce accidents

03:39:07.687 --> 03:39:11.348
Furthermore, this expansion aligns with our quest for

03:39:11.357 --> 03:39:15.196
sustainable efficient urban living, promising reduced

03:39:15.207 --> 03:39:19.057
dependence on personal vehicles as technology advances

03:39:19.068 --> 03:39:22.457
embracing drivers, vehicles services bans as a pivotal

03:39:22.466 --> 03:39:25.986
solution for more connected eco-friendly and accessible

03:39:25.997 --> 03:39:30.167
urban landscapes. I repeat embracing driverless technology

03:39:30.178 --> 03:39:34.187
is a leap toward a smarter and safer and more inclusive

03:39:34.196 --> 03:39:38.756
future for transportation. Thank you. Thank you, operator

03:39:38.767 --> 03:39:41.687
Next caller, please.

03:39:41.687 --> 03:39:44.638
Our next caller is Stephanie Big. You may go ahead

03:39:45.506 --> 03:39:48.647
Hi, thanks everyone. My name is Stephanie Dig Dig.

03:39:48.848 --> 03:39:51.517
I'm here representing the Arc, San Francisco, Arc,

03:39:51.526 --> 03:39:53.917
San Francisco. Partners with adults with developmental

03:39:53.928 --> 03:39:56.986
disabilities as they design their futures and transform

03:39:56.997 --> 03:39:58.807
our communities through lifelong learning and self

03:39:58.818 --> 03:40:01.957
determination. Our organization supports increasing

03:40:01.966 --> 03:40:05.307
transportation options with A V vehicles and sees potential

03:40:05.318 --> 03:40:08.167
benefits for the disability community. We outlined

03:40:08.178 --> 03:40:10.651
those things in our letters of support. However, we

03:40:10.662 --> 03:40:12.993
are concerned about the lack of accessibility standards

03:40:13.002 --> 03:40:16.453
set by the CPC. The Arc San Francisco is appreciative

03:40:16.462 --> 03:40:19.203
of the accessibility and inclusion work that has been

03:40:19.212 --> 03:40:22.482
done up until this point by Waymo and Cruz and are

03:40:22.493 --> 03:40:25.171
excited to see these practices continuing to be refined

03:40:25.182 --> 03:40:27.993
and implemented. But we do not believe corporations

03:40:28.002 --> 03:40:30.792
should be responsible for defining their own standards

03:40:30.803 --> 03:40:34.013
standards as it could cause inconsistencies between

03:40:34.022 --> 03:40:37.587
services. We urge the commission to set standards based

03:40:37.598 --> 03:40:40.908
on current accessibility, best best practices and move

03:40:40.917 --> 03:40:43.678
forward with expanding A V vehicles in San Francisco

03:40:43.687 --> 03:40:46.276
and California. Thank you all for your time. Thank

03:40:46.287 --> 03:40:51.818
you, operator. Next caller, please.

03:40:51.818 --> 03:40:56.537
Our next caller is

03:40:56.537 --> 03:40:58.796
there was,

03:40:58.796 --> 03:41:02.888
you may go ahead. Your line is open afternoon commissioners

03:41:02.897 --> 03:41:05.727
My name is Cyrus Hall. I have a phd in computer science

03:41:05.736 --> 03:41:08.707
with 20 years of experience. I'm also a quote, avid

03:41:08.716 --> 03:41:11.937
cyclist and quote in San Francisco. I'm urging you

03:41:11.946 --> 03:41:14.796
to vote no on agenda items. Two and three, I commented

03:41:14.807 --> 03:41:17.736
Monday on the false narrative painted by and Cruz that

03:41:17.747 --> 03:41:21.296
software and A I only make positive progress. But today

03:41:21.307 --> 03:41:23.138
I want to focus on what we've learned over the last

03:41:23.147 --> 03:41:26.408
week yesterday, a local newspaper published 55 other

03:41:26.417 --> 03:41:29.247
reports from the San Francisco Fire Department on interference

03:41:29.256 --> 03:41:33.147
by Robo cars. May 4th firefighters could not leave

03:41:33.158 --> 03:41:35.928
station 36 as they were blockaded into the station

03:41:35.937 --> 03:41:40.006
by an immobilized AV. June 5th engine two was blocked

03:41:40.017 --> 03:41:43.477
in its station by Waymo, June 7th engine two was once

03:41:43.486 --> 03:41:45.618
again blocked in the station. Took over eight minutes

03:41:45.627 --> 03:41:48.917
to resolve. June 12th. A crew failed to yield to a

03:41:48.928 --> 03:41:51.428
firefighter leading to a collision of a parked car

03:41:51.966 --> 03:41:55.318
A V stalls and uncontrolled driving are not safe. San

03:41:55.328 --> 03:41:57.977
Francisco fire commissioner Jeanine Nicholson is correct

03:41:57.986 --> 03:42:00.776
until the cars can respond immediately to commands

03:42:00.857 --> 03:42:03.408
Increasing. The number of A vs is deeply premature

03:42:03.517 --> 03:42:06.256
Please vote. No,

03:42:06.256 --> 03:42:11.776
thank you operator. Next caller, please.

03:42:11.776 --> 03:42:15.236
Our next three calls are Rebecca Heisler, Lamar Hermans

03:42:15.318 --> 03:42:19.526
and Ryan Spurlock. We'll go with Rebecca Heisler. Next

03:42:19.736 --> 03:42:22.818
You may go ahead and your life is open.

03:42:22.818 --> 03:42:27.897
Hello? Can you hear me? Yes, thank you. I'm urging

03:42:27.908 --> 03:42:30.957
you to keep copper lines. I'm a health care provider

03:42:30.966 --> 03:42:34.946
I do exclusively telehealth without good signals. I

03:42:34.957 --> 03:42:38.828
can't tell if my patients suicidal, dealing with addictions

03:42:38.837 --> 03:42:42.578
domestic violence, et cetera. We need clear lines and

03:42:42.587 --> 03:42:46.678
my landline helps personally, I've been injured by

03:42:46.687 --> 03:42:50.417
wireless and I cannot have a cell phone and so I am

03:42:50.428 --> 03:42:55.087
totally reliant on copper lines. My heart flat lined

03:42:55.098 --> 03:42:59.828
after 17 smart meters were put outside my condo in

03:42:59.837 --> 03:43:03.368
San Diego and I had to go live in remote areas. I

03:43:03.377 --> 03:43:07.068
need copper lines I'm a senior. I have ada issues.

03:43:07.078 --> 03:43:09.696
There's medical evidence, scientific evidence about

03:43:09.707 --> 03:43:13.216
the wireless, the impact of a wireless, harming our

03:43:13.227 --> 03:43:17.578
hearts, our brains, all kinds of stuff. I get, I get

03:43:17.587 --> 03:43:20.526
pain syndromes. If you take copper away, I'll have

03:43:20.537 --> 03:43:23.377
no fire warnings. I'll have no way to work and no way

03:43:23.388 --> 03:43:26.587
to participate in our present culture. Please. We need

03:43:26.598 --> 03:43:30.506
copper lines. It's an ada issue

03:43:30.506 --> 03:43:33.357
for all of us. Thank you so much for listening to me

03:43:33.368 --> 03:43:36.517
Bye bye. Thank you, operator. Next caller, please.

03:43:38.716 --> 03:43:41.837
Our next call is Lamar Herman. You may go ahead. Your

03:43:41.848 --> 03:43:44.348
line is open.

03:43:44.348 --> 03:43:46.486
Good afternoon and thank you for your time. I've been

03:43:46.497 --> 03:43:50.627
calling to express my strong position on expanding

03:43:50.638 --> 03:43:54.526
a V use and permitting within San Francisco for and

03:43:54.537 --> 03:43:58.557
Cruise. Um I live in this community for 13 years with

03:43:58.568 --> 03:44:01.678
my three generational family here. My wife, my daughter

03:44:01.687 --> 03:44:04.917
and my aging father who is managing Parkinson's. We

03:44:04.928 --> 03:44:07.618
walk around the neighborhood all the time and we've

03:44:07.627 --> 03:44:11.328
noticed a dramatic difference in driving behavior ever

03:44:11.337 --> 03:44:14.138
since the pandemic, people are driving faster. People

03:44:14.147 --> 03:44:16.917
are driving more aggressive. They're not paying attention

03:44:16.928 --> 03:44:19.568
to all of the changes that have been made by the m

03:44:19.776 --> 03:44:23.736
to try and make our road safer. But you notice a very

03:44:23.747 --> 03:44:26.477
big difference with the autonomous vehicles. They slow

03:44:26.486 --> 03:44:29.388
down for crosswalks, they don't blow past stop signs

03:44:29.397 --> 03:44:31.517
into the intersections, which is incredibly important

03:44:31.526 --> 03:44:34.578
for my father who has Parkinson's when easily startled

03:44:34.587 --> 03:44:38.537
he can lose balance and fall. Having AV vehicles respect

03:44:38.546 --> 03:44:41.747
the stop signs where they're posted before creeping

03:44:41.756 --> 03:44:44.618
into the intersection increases his safety when walking

03:44:44.627 --> 03:44:49.727
in his community. And also vehicles are approaching

03:44:49.736 --> 03:44:54.408
crosswalks without stop signs and traffic lights, av

03:44:54.417 --> 03:44:57.627
vehicles will slow down whereas human drivers oftentimes

03:44:57.638 --> 03:45:03.466
don't. And we are creatures that will follow the environment

03:45:03.477 --> 03:45:06.247
around us, especially when driving, seeing an AV vehicle

03:45:06.256 --> 03:45:08.966
slow down when I've been using them. Other vehicles

03:45:08.977 --> 03:45:11.068
have also slowed down increasing our safety within

03:45:11.078 --> 03:45:13.796
the neighborhood. These improve the um increase the

03:45:13.807 --> 03:45:16.328
expansion of youth and, and thank you for your time

03:45:16.337 --> 03:45:18.446
and thank you for my community members for expressing

03:45:18.457 --> 03:45:21.736
their opinions in either way. Thank you, operator.

03:45:21.747 --> 03:45:24.946
Next caller, please.

03:45:24.946 --> 03:45:29.256
Our next caller is Brian Spurlock from human made.

03:45:29.638 --> 03:45:38.486
You may go ahead

03:45:38.486 --> 03:45:40.986
again, Ryan Spurlock. Your line is open. We're not

03:45:40.997 --> 03:45:54.537
able to hear you. Please check your mute button

03:45:54.537 --> 03:45:56.986
and shall we go to the next caller? Yes, thank you

03:45:56.997 --> 03:46:04.727
operator. One moment.

03:46:04.727 --> 03:46:08.627
Our next three colors is Justin Pinar

03:46:08.627 --> 03:46:12.618
and Michael Tortilla. Go with Justin Pin car. Next

03:46:12.627 --> 03:46:24.747
your line is open. You may go ahead

03:46:24.747 --> 03:46:26.986
again, Justin Pin card. Your line is open. We're not

03:46:26.997 --> 03:46:38.517
able to hear you. Please check your mute button

03:46:38.517 --> 03:46:40.917
and should we go to the next caller? Yes, let's do

03:46:40.928 --> 03:46:46.767
Thank you.

03:46:46.767 --> 03:46:49.796
Our next caller is land when you may go ahead, your

03:46:49.807 --> 03:46:52.828
line is open.

03:46:52.828 --> 03:46:55.517
Hello, I'm speaking on behalf of the school Energy

03:46:55.526 --> 03:46:58.627
Coalition, California's Statewide Association of School

03:46:58.638 --> 03:47:02.486
Energy Professionals. SEC is profoundly disappointed

03:47:02.497 --> 03:47:05.537
that the proposed decision fails to address the impact

03:47:05.546 --> 03:47:08.868
it will have on the education sector. California cannot

03:47:08.877 --> 03:47:11.928
meet its decarbonisation and greenhouse gas reduction

03:47:11.937 --> 03:47:15.037
goals without adequately supporting public schools

03:47:15.046 --> 03:47:19.118
This PD sets us back by making solar energy more costly

03:47:19.127 --> 03:47:22.098
which will require us to take resources out of classrooms

03:47:22.578 --> 03:47:25.647
at a minimum. The PD should be amended to allow for

03:47:25.658 --> 03:47:29.437
15 minute netting across the benefiting meters as schools

03:47:29.446 --> 03:47:32.696
by design require multiple meters on each site with

03:47:32.707 --> 03:47:36.307
nearly 11,000 public K through 12 school sites across

03:47:36.318 --> 03:47:39.127
the state. The failure to address or even mentioned

03:47:39.138 --> 03:47:42.707
schools in the PD is glaring and short sighted schools

03:47:42.716 --> 03:47:45.477
want to be partners in achieving California's energy

03:47:45.486 --> 03:47:48.477
goals. But in order to do that, we need the commission

03:47:48.486 --> 03:47:51.667
to be responsive to the serious issues we have raised

03:47:51.678 --> 03:47:56.687
with respect to the Ne Ma. Thank you.

03:47:56.687 --> 03:48:01.026
Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

03:48:01.026 --> 03:48:04.318
Our next scholar is Michael Tortilla. You may go ahead

03:48:05.818 --> 03:48:08.428
Hi, my name is Michael Tortora San Francisco resident

03:48:08.437 --> 03:48:10.868
I am strongly urging CPAC to oppose the expansion of

03:48:10.877 --> 03:48:13.247
A vs due to their failures around the common edge cases

03:48:13.256 --> 03:48:15.897
of city driving, namely their behavior around intersections

03:48:15.908 --> 03:48:18.287
that have lost power and around emergency vehicles

03:48:18.537 --> 03:48:21.348
I myself was almost hit by a Waymo earlier this year

03:48:21.357 --> 03:48:23.466
when all the storms have left many sf intersections

03:48:23.477 --> 03:48:25.957
without power. A Waymo did not recognize the traffic

03:48:25.966 --> 03:48:27.517
light was out and then it had to treat it as a

03:48:27.526 --> 03:48:29.877
stop sign and instead followed the car in front of

03:48:29.888 --> 03:48:32.348
it through the intersection without stopping, yielding

03:48:32.357 --> 03:48:35.142
slowing, re acknowledging my presence in the crosswalk

03:48:35.151 --> 03:48:36.973
Had I not been looking both ways. I would have been

03:48:36.982 --> 03:48:39.582
hit by it. It's the commission's job to look past all

03:48:39.591 --> 03:48:41.432
the marketing and hype and objectively look at the

03:48:41.443 --> 03:48:44.283
failures and problems they are causing and rule accordingly

03:48:44.352 --> 03:48:46.861
These AVS still need much more testing. They're not

03:48:46.872 --> 03:48:49.203
ready for wider release with public passengers. Thank

03:48:49.212 --> 03:48:52.966
you very much. Thank you operator. Next caller, please

03:48:55.307 --> 03:48:59.417
Our next three calls are Sherri Wolf, Trish Suzuki

03:48:59.578 --> 03:49:04.638
and Stephen Naser. Our next caller is Sherri Wolf.

03:49:04.857 --> 03:49:08.267
You may go ahead. Your line is open. Hi there. I'm

03:49:08.276 --> 03:49:10.837
calling to voice my strong opposition to removing the

03:49:10.848 --> 03:49:13.568
landline telephone. So even though that I have a cell

03:49:13.578 --> 03:49:15.696
phone, I also depend on my landline when I want to

03:49:15.707 --> 03:49:18.678
make longer calls. But I know in cases of emergencies

03:49:18.687 --> 03:49:20.828
especially if there's ever an earthquake or fire. How

03:49:20.837 --> 03:49:24.178
essential these landline telephones are to us. I was

03:49:24.187 --> 03:49:26.107
born and raised in San Francisco and I know a lot of

03:49:26.118 --> 03:49:28.888
elderly people here that didn't grow up with cell phones

03:49:28.897 --> 03:49:31.557
they're not accustomed to using them and they completely

03:49:31.568 --> 03:49:34.796
depend on landlines. My mom happens to be one of them

03:49:34.997 --> 03:49:37.707
and her landline is her only way to make a call. It's

03:49:37.716 --> 03:49:40.837
simply discriminatory to the elderly and anyone else

03:49:40.848 --> 03:49:42.776
who wants a landline and is willing to pay for the

03:49:42.787 --> 03:49:46.207
service to do away with landline phones. Please keep

03:49:46.216 --> 03:49:48.917
them, please allow us to use them. Even those of us

03:49:48.928 --> 03:49:52.732
who are not EMF sensitive per se. It's really not healthy

03:49:52.743 --> 03:49:55.832
for anybody. It's been classified by the World Health

03:49:55.841 --> 03:49:59.401
Organization Electromagnetic Radiation to be a type

03:49:59.412 --> 03:50:03.421
two carcinogen. And so for all of our health, please

03:50:03.432 --> 03:50:06.542
continue to allow us to have landline telephones if

03:50:06.553 --> 03:50:10.421
we choose to do so. Thank you so much. Thank you operator

03:50:10.432 --> 03:50:13.357
Next caller, please.

03:50:13.357 --> 03:50:16.607
Our next caller is Trish Suzuki. You may go ahead.

03:50:16.618 --> 03:50:20.118
Your line is open. Hi, my name is Trish Suzuki. I'm

03:50:20.127 --> 03:50:22.568
the political director for team joint council seven

03:50:22.578 --> 03:50:25.747
Our president Jason Robin submitted a letter that demonstrates

03:50:25.756 --> 03:50:27.997
that organized labor is united and stands with police

03:50:28.006 --> 03:50:30.477
and fire. And again, we ask you to reject the application

03:50:30.486 --> 03:50:33.368
to expand Weimer and Cruz due to safety concerns that

03:50:33.377 --> 03:50:35.796
shows it's not ready for prime time. The union signatories

03:50:35.807 --> 03:50:38.006
against the expansion are California Labor Federation

03:50:38.017 --> 03:50:42.236
asked me, Alameda Labor Council Transit Union, California

03:50:42.247 --> 03:50:44.818
Federation of Teachers, California Nurses Association

03:50:44.828 --> 03:50:46.986
California professional firefighters, California school

03:50:46.997 --> 03:50:50.337
Employees Association, California Public Affairs Council

03:50:50.348 --> 03:50:54.287
Central Coast Labor Council Labor Council Entertainment

03:50:54.296 --> 03:50:57.138
Union Coalition, Machinist Union L A County Federation

03:50:57.147 --> 03:50:59.917
of Labor, Monterey Bay Labor Council, Napa Sala Labor

03:50:59.928 --> 03:51:02.247
Council, North Bay Labor Council, Orange County Labor

03:51:02.256 --> 03:51:05.716
Federations after San Diego and Imperial Labor Council

03:51:05.727 --> 03:51:09.776
San Francisco Labor Council Labor Council, smart transportation

03:51:09.787 --> 03:51:12.796
division, Labor Council State Building and construction

03:51:12.807 --> 03:51:15.187
trades union, transportation, Workers, Union, United

03:51:15.196 --> 03:51:17.877
Auto Workers, United Food and Commercial Workers. Western

03:51:17.888 --> 03:51:21.046
States Council unite here and last at CIU State Council

03:51:21.057 --> 03:51:25.337
Thank you. Thank you, operator. Next caller, please

03:51:27.747 --> 03:51:32.216
Our next caller is Steven. You may go ahead. Hello

03:51:32.227 --> 03:51:36.196
and thank you. I'm against any increase in the capacity

03:51:36.207 --> 03:51:39.707
of gas at Aliso Canyon which is the location of the

03:51:39.716 --> 03:51:42.247
largest methane gas disaster in the history of the

03:51:42.256 --> 03:51:46.337
United States that also made thousands of people sick

03:51:48.236 --> 03:51:51.966
Please do not set us up for another potential disaster

03:51:52.428 --> 03:51:54.946
I would appreciate if the commission would vote. Yes

03:51:54.957 --> 03:52:00.986
on the staff proposal to close Aliso Canyon ASAP. Thank

03:52:00.997 --> 03:52:05.167
you very much. Thank you operator. Next caller, please

03:52:07.276 --> 03:52:11.678
Our next three colors are Nick Ivaco, Ming Zao and

03:52:11.687 --> 03:52:15.818
Chris Wilson, Nicky Vasco. You may go ahead. Your line

03:52:15.828 --> 03:52:19.607
is open. Hello, commission. I live in the Richmond

03:52:19.618 --> 03:52:22.818
District and I'm not a driver. I'm a biker. I encourage

03:52:22.828 --> 03:52:26.256
the C PC to vote. No. On the expansion in light of

03:52:26.267 --> 03:52:28.857
the undemocratic nature of the potential approval.

03:52:30.207 --> 03:52:33.908
I've nearly been hit two times by way, mill and crew

03:52:33.917 --> 03:52:36.078
because they do not recognize hand signals common with

03:52:36.087 --> 03:52:39.408
bike riders. When I contacted my supervisor for help

03:52:39.417 --> 03:52:41.966
I was told they could not help. When I contacted my

03:52:41.977 --> 03:52:44.868
state assembly member, I was told they could not help

03:52:44.877 --> 03:52:46.848
And finally, when I contacted my state senator, I was

03:52:46.857 --> 03:52:49.446
again told they had no power, billion and trillion

03:52:49.457 --> 03:52:51.986
dollar corporations like General Motors and Google

03:52:52.756 --> 03:52:55.196
depend on their ability to influence our society through

03:52:55.207 --> 03:52:57.667
obscure rule making, overseen by an unelected commission

03:52:57.917 --> 03:53:00.227
because they fear what real regulation could mean for

03:53:00.236 --> 03:53:02.986
their future. Not ours. When democratically elected

03:53:02.997 --> 03:53:05.807
officials are empowered to represent us. Commissioners

03:53:05.818 --> 03:53:08.787
please choose people over profit. Vote now on a expansion

03:53:08.868 --> 03:53:11.196
and end the social experiment, terrorizing San Francisco

03:53:11.207 --> 03:53:14.857
Thank you. Thank you, operator. Next color, please

03:53:16.687 --> 03:53:20.368
Our next call is you may go ahead. Your line is open

03:53:29.328 --> 03:53:32.107
again. Your line is open. You may go ahead with your

03:53:32.118 --> 03:53:35.147
comments.

03:53:35.147 --> 03:53:40.318
Hi. Um Can you guys hear me? Yes, we can. Great. Thanks

03:53:40.328 --> 03:53:43.977
I would like to support I support way and I think that

03:53:43.986 --> 03:53:47.578
way deserves its chance to be distributed more broadly

03:53:47.587 --> 03:53:50.986
throughout San Francisco. Um I think that it is necessary

03:53:50.997 --> 03:53:54.537
to allow greater access for the algorithm to improve

03:53:54.546 --> 03:53:58.727
even more. Um I'd also like to point out that as a

03:53:58.736 --> 03:54:01.966
woman in San Francisco and I'm sure many other women

03:54:01.977 --> 03:54:04.848
in San Francisco can attest to this as well. Um We

03:54:04.857 --> 03:54:10.167
often feel uncomfortable um as riding in the back of

03:54:10.178 --> 03:54:13.568
Ubers and would much prefer riding in the back of a

03:54:13.767 --> 03:54:17.877
where there is no risk of sexual harassment or anything

03:54:17.888 --> 03:54:22.296
or any behavior of such. So I would advocate uh for

03:54:22.307 --> 03:54:25.247
the commission to support the expansion of way. Thank

03:54:25.256 --> 03:54:28.578
you very much. Thank you operator. Next color, please

03:54:31.716 --> 03:54:34.627
Our next caller is Chris Wilson, you may go ahead.

03:54:34.638 --> 03:54:36.957
Your line is open.

03:54:36.957 --> 03:54:39.216
Thank you and good afternoon commissioners. My name

03:54:39.227 --> 03:54:42.068
is Chris Wilson with the Los Angeles County Business

03:54:42.078 --> 03:54:44.877
Federation. I serve as their senior policy manager

03:54:45.196 --> 03:54:48.006
I am here today to encourage the commission to support

03:54:48.247 --> 03:54:51.888
uh item two Waymo, driverless deployment program and

03:54:51.897 --> 03:54:55.568
item three deployment permit and draft resolution.

03:54:55.917 --> 03:54:58.868
We believe both items will provide clean, safe and

03:54:58.877 --> 03:55:02.497
accessible transportation options to Californians that

03:55:02.506 --> 03:55:05.078
will, that will strengthen regional economies and make

03:55:05.087 --> 03:55:08.747
a positive impact across the states. Maintaining California's

03:55:08.756 --> 03:55:13.078
position at the forefront of A B development is transformational

03:55:13.158 --> 03:55:15.807
and improving these items will go a long way in ensuring

03:55:15.818 --> 03:55:18.877
that these innovative technologies continue to grow

03:55:18.888 --> 03:55:22.107
right here in California. Given the many economic and

03:55:22.118 --> 03:55:25.497
environmental benefits that both and Cruz will provide

03:55:25.578 --> 03:55:28.118
I encourage the commission to approve both items according

03:55:28.127 --> 03:55:30.897
today. Thank you so much for your time and consideration

03:55:31.537 --> 03:55:37.276
Thank you, operator. Next color, please.

03:55:37.276 --> 03:55:41.147
Our next three callers are Susanna Portee, Shelley

03:55:41.158 --> 03:55:46.437
Casini and Justin Costco. Susan, portly, you may go

03:55:46.446 --> 03:55:50.388
ahead and your line is open. Hi. Uh I'm calling about

03:55:50.397 --> 03:55:53.057
your proposed decision on virtual net metering of solar

03:55:53.068 --> 03:55:55.388
panels on apartment buildings, schools, et cetera.

03:55:55.857 --> 03:55:58.837
Please modify your proposed decision on virtual net

03:55:58.848 --> 03:56:02.807
metering to include on site. Netting your plan effectively

03:56:02.818 --> 03:56:05.848
forces customers to first sell their solar production

03:56:05.857 --> 03:56:08.946
to the utility and then buy it back at higher rates

03:56:09.267 --> 03:56:12.868
This is just absurd. It's yet another profit giveaway

03:56:12.877 --> 03:56:17.658
To the Pgesdge and S CE and it's part of their plan

03:56:17.667 --> 03:56:21.397
to take over rooftop solar entirely. You failed us

03:56:21.408 --> 03:56:24.877
on them 3.0 so please don't be a follow up here. Please

03:56:24.888 --> 03:56:28.017
do your job as intended, which is to regulate the utilities

03:56:28.026 --> 03:56:32.017
not side with them on every decision. This PD is disastrous

03:56:32.026 --> 03:56:35.977
for renters, small farmers, schools and colleges and

03:56:35.986 --> 03:56:39.696
for California's economy and environment. Thank you

03:56:40.457 --> 03:56:46.187
Thank you, operate our next caller, please.

03:56:46.187 --> 03:56:49.776
Our next caller is Shelley Costantini. You may go ahead

03:56:49.787 --> 03:56:54.017
Your line is open. Hi, I'm calling in support of driverless

03:56:54.026 --> 03:56:56.756
cars. I live in downtown San Francisco and I've taken

03:56:57.147 --> 03:57:01.196
27 times as a woman. I feel much safer with driverless

03:57:01.207 --> 03:57:04.158
cars in some taxis and Ubers. I've encountered the

03:57:04.167 --> 03:57:07.957
smell of marijuana. I've seen beer cans in the back

03:57:07.966 --> 03:57:10.756
and I, you know, I don't have to have strange conversations

03:57:10.767 --> 03:57:14.068
or fear for my late night drop offs. Um Also, I've

03:57:14.078 --> 03:57:18.267
had a lot of tourists get super excited um, as it fuels

03:57:18.276 --> 03:57:21.557
our city's reputation for innovation to have things

03:57:21.568 --> 03:57:25.977
like this. Um Lastly, a cab driver earlier mentioned

03:57:25.986 --> 03:57:29.946
that she drives 10 hours a day, which I find unsafe

03:57:29.957 --> 03:57:32.756
I wouldn't want my driver on the end of a 10 hour

03:57:32.767 --> 03:57:36.937
shift. And then also, um, for the cab driver or the

03:57:36.946 --> 03:57:40.526
cab drivers who were talking about arguments and sexual

03:57:40.997 --> 03:57:43.428
you know, misconduct in the back of the cars, there's

03:57:43.437 --> 03:57:47.767
cameras in each car. So everything is noticed and documented

03:57:47.776 --> 03:57:50.388
In fact, I fell asleep one day and kind of went to

03:57:50.397 --> 03:57:55.486
my side towards the seat.

03:57:55.486 --> 03:57:59.127
You have to get up now, please wake up so they're aware

03:57:59.138 --> 03:58:03.167
Thank you so much. Thank you operator. Next color,

03:58:03.178 --> 03:58:05.877
please.

03:58:05.877 --> 03:58:08.736
Our next caller is Justin Costco. You might go ahead

03:58:08.747 --> 03:58:10.857
and

03:58:10.857 --> 03:58:16.078
hi Justin Ko consumer watchdog, um commenting on the

03:58:16.087 --> 03:58:21.227
resolutions to expand driverless cars. Um You know

03:58:21.607 --> 03:58:25.837
why are, why are we doing this? What is this all for

03:58:25.848 --> 03:58:30.497
Um driverless cars will take away jobs and they're

03:58:30.506 --> 03:58:35.946
definitely not safe. There have been over 250 stopping

03:58:35.957 --> 03:58:38.747
incidents around the city of Assaf over the past year

03:58:39.736 --> 03:58:42.828
But we wouldn't know that if we ask these companies

03:58:43.457 --> 03:58:47.296
they don't have to report it. The C PC wouldn't, wouldn't

03:58:47.307 --> 03:58:51.568
know that if the public didn't say something. There's

03:58:51.578 --> 03:58:55.598
a huge financial pressure on this vote. Cruz lost over

03:58:55.607 --> 03:58:58.417
a billion dollars so far this year. It hasn't been

03:58:58.428 --> 03:59:01.787
profitable in 10 years.

03:59:01.787 --> 03:59:06.307
Uh This is all just a big assist. The CPUC has just

03:59:06.318 --> 03:59:09.568
been assisting in a massive transfer of wealth away

03:59:09.578 --> 03:59:12.557
from working people. That's what these tech monopolies

03:59:12.568 --> 03:59:16.318
have been accelerating for years now. Uh So we know

03:59:16.328 --> 03:59:19.118
we know

03:59:19.118 --> 03:59:20.828
a

03:59:20.828 --> 03:59:24.057
yeah, we, we urge you to vote no on, on these resolutions

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Thanks. Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

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Our next caller is Josh Hart. You may go ahead.

03:59:35.546 --> 03:59:39.178
Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can. My name is Josh

03:59:39.187 --> 03:59:41.977
Hart, a founding member of Save Landlines. We also

03:59:41.986 --> 03:59:45.098
oppose hazardous driverless cars on California's roads

03:59:45.767 --> 03:59:47.928
Personally. I live in Plymouth County where the climate

03:59:47.937 --> 03:59:50.037
fuel dixie fire burned two years ago.

03:59:50.046 --> 03:59:53.037
At and T now seeks to pull the plug on our essential

03:59:53.045 --> 03:59:55.897
landlines, potentially leaving millions with no voice

03:59:55.905 --> 03:59:59.646
communication from our homes. AT&T discontinued DS

03:59:59.655 --> 04:00:01.946
L without alternatives. And now they want to do the

04:00:01.956 --> 04:00:05.087
same with landlines like millions of Californians.

04:00:05.097 --> 04:00:08.466
I suffer pain and discomfort from wireless communications

04:00:08.765 --> 04:00:11.966
at and T landline service is the only wired voice and

04:00:11.977 --> 04:00:15.686
internet connection available to us. If you allow at

04:00:15.695 --> 04:00:18.297
and T to discontinue landline service, our household

04:00:18.306 --> 04:00:21.526
will lose all access to voice and internet services

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including evacuation alerts with no viable alternative

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Californians must have basic, reliable and affordable

04:00:29.277 --> 04:00:32.205
communications that are not dependent on the electric

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grid during increasing wildfires and other extreme

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weather events. C PC commissioners please turn down

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at and T

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and basic reliable landline phone service and the carrier

04:00:44.676 --> 04:00:47.667
of last resort obligations for the people of California

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Finally, no public transportation options should be

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permitted to exclude people simply because they choose

04:00:53.917 --> 04:00:57.636
not to use a cell phone. Thank you. Thank you, operator

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Next caller, please.

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Our next three colors are T Ma Isaac Rogers and Michelle

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Gates.

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You may go ahead. Your line is open. Hi, my name is

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and I'm with Curry Senior Center. We have a partnership

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with which has allowed our seniors to travel safely

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to places they normally are not able to go due to lack

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of parking or a car. And it's also given them the ability

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to experience the excitement of the futuristic technology

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Many times our seniors get left behind when it comes

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to innovation and it's so wonderful to see how excited

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they get when they get to ride in a driverless vehicle

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and safely at that. Um I've also experienced these

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rides myself and I prefer them over alternative ride

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options way more safe and it's clean and they offer

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a service that can greatly benefit the community. And

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I urge the PV C to approve their application. I also

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urge the PV C to deny AT&T S application to eliminate

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landlines so that we don't take away communications

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from vulnerable populations who rely on them. In addition

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to ensuring reliable communication, ems sensitivity

04:02:00.397 --> 04:02:02.466
is a serious health issue for those who suffer from

04:02:02.476 --> 04:02:05.787
it and those who don't are very fortunate. And a lot

04:02:05.795 --> 04:02:08.176
of times they don't understand how serious it is and

04:02:08.186 --> 04:02:10.537
it becomes something that gets ridiculed or ignored

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So again, I urge PC to deny ATT S application for this

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Thank you. Thank you operator. Next call, please.

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Our next caller is Isaac Rogers. You may go ahead and

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your line is open. Hi there. I'm calling uh in support

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of the expanding of in San Francisco, I as a person

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with a visual disability has, has used way o now 200

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times with over 1000 fully autonomous miles with 00

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major incidents that 1000 miles has definitely, definitely

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learned a lot about autonomous driving and I believe

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it is safe and it provides me as a person with a

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disability or many other people with disabilities,

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the freedom that they have never frankly have never

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had. And also in regards to cruise, I probably would

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hold off on cruise for now, but we definitely is a

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lot safer than the than the average human driver. Again

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taxi drivers doing 10 hour, 10 hour shifts, working

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10 hours a day. I don't want to ride in a taxi

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with someone who's been up for 18 20 hours. Thank you

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Thank you operator. Next caller please.

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Our next caller is Michelle Gates. You may go ahead

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Good afternoon. I've lived in San Francisco for over

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20 years. I have had the opportunity to ride in both

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Waymo and Cruz in the last year and they are safe,

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reliable and easy to use. Also, their customer service

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is extremely quick to respond. Once contacted as someone

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who has been a test writer in Waymo, it is impressive

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to see the changes they continue to make, to improve

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their quality of service. They are continually evolving

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to become better reliable drivers. I can't say the

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same about the human drivers. I see on the road I've

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rid in the car with a friend who is in a wheelchair

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and it has accommodated us perfectly. He loved the

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experience. I like that when riding in the car, I am

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safe in both Uber Lyft. In the past, I've had inappropriate

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unwelcome physical advances and even a driver's dick

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picture shown to me it's emotionally unsettling, unprofessional

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and traumatic. I'm grateful. I don't have to worry

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about that kind of crap with and cruz these cars are

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safe and reliable as I say, vote. Yes, to expand A

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B services.

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Thank you, operator. Next color, please.

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Our next call, next three colors are Maya Waldman,

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Alex Ryan and Tony Deloria, Maya Waldman. You may go

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ahead. Your line is open.

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Hey, everyone. Thank you for your time. I'm a local

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educator born in sf I speak in favor of a V expansion

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Writing over 20 months with Wayne, I've kept a detailed

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spreadsheet of my 785 rides. I read the data and I

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keep my own too. I observed the Waymo driver as a researcher

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during my rides. The Waymo driver has prioritized my

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safety and the safety of pedestrians, cyclists and

04:05:23.676 --> 04:05:26.577
others. The Waymo driver doesn't run lights or stop

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signs or speed. It doesn't punitively honk get angry

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with cyclists or get tired and it keeps learning and

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improving. I've had dozens of positive way mo interactions

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with emergencies and construction while writing to

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hearing some comments. I'm reminded of historical distrust

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of innovation, but I don't uncritically support A B

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when the research or experience changes, I'll adjust

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my stance. I urge to vote supporting the data, not

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misinformation and anecdotes based on fear, resisting

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change is a historical tradition, but so is innovation

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I can get you off. Thank you. Operate your next color

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please.

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Our next caller is Alex Ryan. You may go ahead.

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Hi, I live in the Castro and work in downtown S A

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I'm not affiliated with Waymo Cruz or any other organization

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Please vote. Yes. To move Avis forward since December

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I've taken 87 Waymo rides in all those rides. I've

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never witnessed a single dangerous mistake over the

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same nine months. I've also taken TNC rides with human

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drivers who are talking on the phone, texting, driving

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aggressively and high. The bar is just so, so low,

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Avis have perfect vision even at night, they never

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get tired or have a bad day. And every one of those

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87 rides felt safer than the safest PNC ride I've ever

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taken. And I, I haven't just felt safer. The data shows

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that I was in fact safer as were the vulnerable road

04:07:02.125 --> 04:07:04.895
users around me. I never have to wonder when I'm crossing

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the street. If a way or cruise is going to blow through

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a spotlight the way that I wonder about human drivers

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on behalf of the Californians whose lives will be saved

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by the wider roll out of a vs over the coming decade

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I urge you to stand up to the pressure from Luddites

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and self-interest actors and do everything you can

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life saving technology. Thank you. Thank you operator

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Next caller, please.

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Our next caller is Tony Deloria. You may go ahead.

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Your line is open.

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Yeah, my name is Tony Deloria from team local 6 65

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Proud San Francisco resident. I speak on behalf of

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the vast majority of not only San Francisco residents

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community and labor leaders that are highly against

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the expansion of these A V vehicles. There's roughly

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500 on the street as we speak and it just seems like

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most people in support of this obviously do not read

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or listen to um the negative press of accident after

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accident and walking lanes of emergency responders

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fire police and we need to not let these expand. Can

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you imagine the damage that this will do when that

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500 number turns into 5000? One other thing I would

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like to quickly mention is they're not here for Robo

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taxis. Ok. That's the start. They're here for parcel

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delivery and they're trying to take all of our jobs

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away by eventually rolling out parcel delivery all

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through the city. And if you don't believe me, go look

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on their website, that's what they're here for. They're

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not here to car people around us, rubble taxis. Thank

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you. Thank you operator. Um We're now gonna take a

04:08:38.556 --> 04:08:43.276
short break. Um So I would ask people to be back in

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a, in 20 minutes. We'll take a 20 minute break and

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then we'll come back. We still have a large number

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of callers on the line. So I ask for everyone's patience

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as we continue to get through the public comment, period

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Thank you everyone

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for this streaming event brought to you by admin monitor

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dot com. We'll begin momentarily. We're gonna get started

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again. If everybody could take a seat. Great,

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Robert. Are we ready to open up?

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I think.

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Thank you all for standing by today's conference has

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resumed. Ok, great. And I'll ask for a roll call again

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and note that Commissioner Douglas is necessarily absent

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Commissioner John Reynolds, commissioner hacker Chroma

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Alice Reynolds here. Ok. We have a quorum. We're in

04:09:45.316 --> 04:09:48.345
the public comment portion of today's meeting. We'll

04:09:48.357 --> 04:09:52.186
go back to the operator to uh resume the callers on

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the telephone line.

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Thank you. We currently have 37 in Q. Our next callers

04:10:00.237 --> 04:10:05.845
are Cormac mckay, Anthony Miller and Albert for Mac

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mckay. You may go ahead. Your line is open.

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Good afternoon. President and commissioners Robotaxis

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are not ours. They are the next evolution of both public

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and private transport. The world is watching what is

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happening here in San Francisco for this much needed

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road safety development to reduce deaths and life altering

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accidents on our roads. San Francisco's transport authorities

04:10:32.806 --> 04:10:36.636
have had many years to prepare for Robotaxis and have

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been under development for over 10 years and have not

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just appeared overnight, but unfortunately, they have

04:10:42.617 --> 04:10:45.205
chosen to stick their head in the sand and pretend

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that it wasn't actually going to happen and are worried

04:10:48.857 --> 04:10:52.766
about losing street parking revenue and fines rather

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than providing pick up and drop off spots on every

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block. The city is now blaming way and crew for the

04:10:59.867 --> 04:11:03.367
city's failure to prepare, who have actually engaged

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with all members of the community, including first

04:11:06.386 --> 04:11:10.585
responders who have been very responsible, cautious

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and cautiously learning from their deployment and are

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ready to expand your approval to the expansion. Today

04:11:18.156 --> 04:11:21.617
will encourage San Francisco and other cities around

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the world that they must must now realistically plan

04:11:25.266 --> 04:11:29.345
and prepare for large scale deployment of robotaxis

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in a much better manner. And yes, there must be a just

04:11:32.955 --> 04:11:37.066
transition for current workers whose jobs will evolve

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into new roles within the autonomous vehicle ecosystem

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Just like jobs have always evolved into new roles over

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time. Thank you for your consideration. Thank you operator

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Next caller, please.

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Our next caller is Anthony Miller. You may go ahead

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Your line is open. Hello, commission. Hello, President

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Thank you all for taking all of our calls and going

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with us all today in this long day. I currently live

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in San Francisco for over 20 years. I am a business

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owner. I am a commuter. I walk to work sometimes I

04:12:12.227 --> 04:12:14.776
walk a lot and I drive a car. I commute over 15,000

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miles on my car yearly in the city of San Francisco

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I strongly advise the moving forward with A I driving

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technology. I am a writer with Cruz. Currently, I have

04:12:27.845 --> 04:12:30.095
noticed that there are some hiccups in the road, but

04:12:30.107 --> 04:12:32.715
we cannot move forward if we just stop everything in

04:12:32.727 --> 04:12:36.127
its tracks. Right now. I strongly see some problems

04:12:36.136 --> 04:12:38.906
that do occur but mainly with other drivers cutting

04:12:38.916 --> 04:12:42.256
off the cars and then coming to a complete stop, riders

04:12:42.266 --> 04:12:44.386
that are almost getting hit from what I could see.

04:12:44.396 --> 04:12:47.867
I live off of 26 in Balboa. There is no stop sign

04:12:47.877 --> 04:12:50.487
in that intersection, pedestrians feel that they have

04:12:50.497 --> 04:12:53.575
it right away in the city which they do. But when you

04:12:53.585 --> 04:12:57.037
are coming across the car and it's in the medium of

04:12:57.046 --> 04:13:00.256
the intersection, it does not have time to move our

04:13:00.266 --> 04:13:03.487
stop sometimes, but it doesn't move around. We cannot

04:13:03.497 --> 04:13:07.367
fit these cars in p a pedestrian in an unsafe environment

04:13:07.377 --> 04:13:10.146
and expect the car to react the way it does even us

04:13:10.156 --> 04:13:13.316
as drivers make mistakes. The only way to learn is

04:13:13.325 --> 04:13:18.016
to keep moving forward. Thank you, operator. Next caller

04:13:18.026 --> 04:13:20.247
please.

04:13:20.247 --> 04:13:24.497
Our next caller is Albert. You may go ahead.

04:13:24.497 --> 04:13:26.936
Hello, commissioners. My name is Albert, longtime lower

04:13:26.945 --> 04:13:29.455
hate resident. First time caller, I'd like to urge

04:13:29.465 --> 04:13:31.566
this commission to approve Waymo and Cruz's application

04:13:31.575 --> 04:13:33.835
for expansion. She can't be on the car right now, but

04:13:33.845 --> 04:13:35.906
when my mom was 16, she was involved in a severe car

04:13:35.916 --> 04:13:38.136
accident when she was t boned by a drunk driver. She's

04:13:38.146 --> 04:13:40.656
now ac six quadriplegic and she's in a wheelchair and

04:13:40.666 --> 04:13:42.617
has been for my whole life, which has obviously been

04:13:42.627 --> 04:13:45.227
a hugely impactful thing for our entire family. The

04:13:45.237 --> 04:13:47.325
only way to truly prevent more tragedies and costs

04:13:47.335 --> 04:13:49.776
to society from drunk and distracted drivers is to

04:13:49.787 --> 04:13:52.627
take human drivers out of the equation entirely. We

04:13:52.766 --> 04:13:54.686
mo and crews have shown an incredible safety record

04:13:54.695 --> 04:13:56.617
especially for being at such early stages and their

04:13:56.627 --> 04:13:58.987
safety will surely only improve from here. I've been

04:13:58.997 --> 04:14:01.526
very impressed from a personal standpoint at how safe

04:14:01.537 --> 04:14:04.345
and confident the way mo and cruise drivers are the

04:14:04.357 --> 04:14:06.296
worst malfunctions of a current self driving car do

04:14:06.306 --> 04:14:08.656
not approach the level of danger of even a typical

04:14:08.666 --> 04:14:11.367
distracted driver on the road, let alone a drunk driver

04:14:11.377 --> 04:14:13.335
I'd also like to note that human drivers frequently

04:14:13.345 --> 04:14:16.056
impede emergency vehicles as well, even if, even if

04:14:16.066 --> 04:14:18.727
that is so routine as to not be noticed and more importantly

04:14:18.737 --> 04:14:20.617
often know the cause of their necessity in the first

04:14:20.627 --> 04:14:23.075
place. Please support the safety of everyone on California

04:14:23.085 --> 04:14:25.276
roads and approve this application. Thank you for your

04:14:25.287 --> 04:14:27.546
time and thoughtfulness in this matter. Thank you,

04:14:27.556 --> 04:14:32.497
operator. Next caller, please. Hm. Thank you. Our next

04:14:32.506 --> 04:14:37.006
three callers are Richard, Jake Jackson Wong and via

04:14:37.026 --> 04:14:41.705
Gumble, Richards, you may go ahead your line is open

04:14:43.377 --> 04:14:45.987
Um

04:14:45.987 --> 04:14:52.426
Can you hear me now? Yes, we can, you can,

04:14:52.426 --> 04:14:56.867
uh I don't know whether you can hear me. Yes.

04:14:56.867 --> 04:15:00.095
Ok, thank you. Can I start now,

04:15:00.095 --> 04:15:05.886
these um, proposed new public transit systems clearly

04:15:05.896 --> 04:15:12.926
serve some people. There's no question. Um There are

04:15:12.936 --> 04:15:19.215
questions, serious questions about safety and operation

04:15:19.845 --> 04:15:23.316
that absolutely must be dealt with before these go

04:15:23.325 --> 04:15:28.166
prime time. However, there is something even more structural

04:15:28.396 --> 04:15:32.556
that's a problem here and the commission is prepared

04:15:32.566 --> 04:15:39.497
It sounds like to do the same thing they did when Uber

04:15:39.506 --> 04:15:45.075
and Lyft came before them. I, I don't think your ad

04:15:45.085 --> 04:15:49.377
a coordinator, Mr Cho has apparently educated the commission

04:15:49.825 --> 04:15:54.737
as to its responsibility, its actual mandate that it

04:15:54.747 --> 04:15:57.715
must comply with. And that's the Americans with Disabilities

04:15:57.727 --> 04:16:00.965
Act. We have not only the Americans with Disabilities

04:16:00.977 --> 04:16:06.146
Act but the 504 Civil Rights Act and these proposed

04:16:06.156 --> 04:16:11.997
programs cannot be moved forward and started until

04:16:12.006 --> 04:16:16.386
they are fully accessible. If you suggest that it will

04:16:16.396 --> 04:16:19.227
come in the future, we've been waiting for that with

04:16:19.237 --> 04:16:23.506
Uber and Lyft. Look where we are. Can't still get a

04:16:23.516 --> 04:16:27.845
wheelchair accessible ride on Uber and Lyft. If this

04:16:27.857 --> 04:16:34.026
goes forward, there will be action taken. Thank you

04:16:34.436 --> 04:16:39.987
Thank you, operator. Next caller, please.

04:16:39.987 --> 04:16:42.816
Yeah, next call is

04:16:42.816 --> 04:16:46.877
you may go ahead. Your line is open. Hi, my name is

04:16:47.095 --> 04:16:49.676
aka Bula. I'm a tech worker living in the district

04:16:49.715 --> 04:16:52.357
I'm here to ask you to vote. No, and oppose the expansion

04:16:52.367 --> 04:16:55.316
of robot cars. We've heard a lot of good reasons to

04:16:55.326 --> 04:16:58.447
oppose this a expansion today, eliminating human jobs

04:16:58.457 --> 04:17:00.437
interference with emergency vehicles, unaccountable

04:17:00.447 --> 04:17:03.076
surveillance and unpredictable behavior on our streets

04:17:03.375 --> 04:17:05.496
I want to talk about the environmental angle. Our,

04:17:06.006 --> 04:17:08.645
our state climate goals require reducing vehicle miles

04:17:08.655 --> 04:17:11.316
traveled and expanding robot cars would only increase

04:17:11.326 --> 04:17:14.336
them with much VNT. Completely empty. Uber and Lyft

04:17:14.346 --> 04:17:16.846
also promised to reduce VNT 10 years ago, but we all

04:17:16.855 --> 04:17:19.806
know how that went moving. two tons of metal per person

04:17:19.816 --> 04:17:22.355
takes an unconscionable amount of energy, whether that's

04:17:22.365 --> 04:17:25.145
stored in oil or in lithium, mined out of indigenous

04:17:25.155 --> 04:17:28.177
land. Tire pollution is the greatest source of particulate

04:17:28.187 --> 04:17:30.787
pollution in the air causing asthma in poor black and

04:17:30.796 --> 04:17:33.125
brown communities next to highways and killing salmon

04:17:33.135 --> 04:17:36.427
in our rivers for ecological stability. Our only option

04:17:36.437 --> 04:17:39.217
is to increase public transit, encourage biking and

04:17:39.226 --> 04:17:42.526
create car free spaces. Environmental safety is public

04:17:42.537 --> 04:17:46.476
safety. Robot cars are a VC funded distraction away

04:17:46.486 --> 04:17:50.316
from building healthier more sustainable cities.

04:17:50.316 --> 04:17:54.016
Thank you. Thank you. Operate our next caller, please

04:17:57.236 --> 04:18:01.447
Our next three colors are Chris Revere, Karen Cederholm

04:18:01.526 --> 04:18:05.006
and Zach Butter.

04:18:05.006 --> 04:18:07.855
Uh Chris Revere, you may go ahead. Your line is open

04:18:08.927 --> 04:18:11.947
Thank you. I'd like to express my opinion in favor

04:18:11.957 --> 04:18:15.046
of Cruz's ability to expand operations in San Francisco

04:18:15.417 --> 04:18:18.026
I found it provides a safe alternative to existing

04:18:18.037 --> 04:18:21.917
modes of transportation, addressing some gaps, buses

04:18:21.927 --> 04:18:25.276
and bark are not the most reliable, especially at night

04:18:25.917 --> 04:18:29.846
Um Not the safest options as well. Um I, I'm a huge

04:18:29.855 --> 04:18:32.437
fan of lift bike share and use it on almost a daily

04:18:32.447 --> 04:18:36.687
basis um for fear of not having my personal bike stolen

04:18:36.976 --> 04:18:39.167
Um, but I think we really should be focusing on providing

04:18:39.177 --> 04:18:42.986
more options um with these existing modes for residents

04:18:42.996 --> 04:18:47.217
Thank you. Thank you operator. Next caller, please

04:18:50.246 --> 04:18:53.375
And our next call is Karen Cederholm. You may go ahead

04:18:55.256 --> 04:18:58.167
Hi, good afternoon, President Reynolds and Commissioners

04:18:58.177 --> 04:19:00.976
My name is Karen Peter Holm. I'm with Hammond Climate

04:19:00.986 --> 04:19:03.927
Solutions Foundation and I'm a resident of the city

04:19:03.937 --> 04:19:07.447
of San Diego for my entire life. My family has rented

04:19:07.457 --> 04:19:09.875
apartments because we can't afford to own a home of

04:19:09.885 --> 04:19:13.385
our own. We are part of over the 16 million renters

04:19:13.395 --> 04:19:16.207
in the state and the large population of residents

04:19:16.217 --> 04:19:19.316
who want to benefit from solar but will never have

04:19:19.326 --> 04:19:22.526
the opportunity to if the utilities have their way

04:19:22.596 --> 04:19:25.976
The recently published proposed decision on net energy

04:19:25.986 --> 04:19:28.375
metering goes against the governor's own commitment

04:19:28.385 --> 04:19:31.236
to affordable housing because it sides with the utility

04:19:31.246 --> 04:19:33.645
companies that will make building and maintenance costs

04:19:33.655 --> 04:19:37.246
even more expensive everyday people such as my family

04:19:37.256 --> 04:19:40.197
a navy, veteran father, an immigrant mother and a first

04:19:40.207 --> 04:19:43.046
generation college student will only be burdened by

04:19:43.056 --> 04:19:46.506
this decision. Please modify the proposed decision

04:19:46.516 --> 04:19:50.246
to include on site netting so that renters can access

04:19:50.256 --> 04:19:53.037
the local and affordable energy in the form of rooftop

04:19:53.046 --> 04:19:56.316
solar. Thank you. Thank you operator. Next caller,

04:19:56.326 --> 04:19:59.355
please.

04:19:59.355 --> 04:20:03.667
Our next call is Zach Butter. You may go ahead High

04:20:03.677 --> 04:20:07.326
Commissioner and President. Uh, I'm calling as a sf

04:20:07.336 --> 04:20:10.707
resident who's been living here my whole life. Um,

04:20:10.816 --> 04:20:13.457
and I can see that in the short time that A vs

04:20:13.467 --> 04:20:16.135
have been a part of the streets of San Francisco, that

04:20:16.145 --> 04:20:19.287
they've become a danger in the streets to other residents

04:20:19.385 --> 04:20:22.256
Not only do they block emergency responders from getting

04:20:22.266 --> 04:20:26.405
to emergency situations in a quick and responsible

04:20:26.417 --> 04:20:30.496
manner and therefore they could be costing lives, but

04:20:30.506 --> 04:20:33.526
they also prove dangerous to everyday citizens by blocking

04:20:33.537 --> 04:20:36.197
streets and causing other drivers to need to perform

04:20:36.207 --> 04:20:39.046
dangerous maneuvers to get around them because there's

04:20:39.056 --> 04:20:42.375
no way for them to move forwards or backwards. If I

04:20:42.385 --> 04:20:45.155
were to block a street causing dangerous situations

04:20:45.167 --> 04:20:47.576
just like that, I would receive a ticket at the very

04:20:47.586 --> 04:20:50.917
least. There is no accountability for these cars and

04:20:50.927 --> 04:20:54.037
we're letting billion dollar companies get away with

04:20:54.046 --> 04:20:57.096
crimes that average day citizens would not be able

04:20:57.105 --> 04:21:01.726
to, to me this is just half of the issue that I

04:21:01.736 --> 04:21:04.395
urge you to vote against the expansion of AV vehicles

04:21:04.405 --> 04:21:07.957
coming from a lower middle class

04:21:07.957 --> 04:21:11.155
driver services. How for lower income families providing

04:21:11.167 --> 04:21:13.405
ways for working class citizens to be able to fit in

04:21:13.417 --> 04:21:16.417
their time to work in between their primary job and

04:21:16.427 --> 04:21:18.746
taking care of their kids? Thank you for listening

04:21:18.756 --> 04:21:25.615
to me. Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

04:21:25.615 --> 04:21:28.806
And our next three calls are Tyler mcclure. Jim Sprouse

04:21:28.917 --> 04:21:32.385
and Julie Martin Tyler mcclure, you may go ahead and

04:21:32.395 --> 04:21:36.717
your line is open.

04:21:36.717 --> 04:21:41.427
Um Hi. Yeah. Uh so I just wanted to say that I

04:21:41.437 --> 04:21:46.846
am a Cal State students and I have been writing in

04:21:46.855 --> 04:21:51.905
a way mo this entire semester. So for, since December

04:21:53.105 --> 04:21:57.427
and I know there's a lot of confusion about the car

04:21:57.437 --> 04:22:03.546
the or the, the A TV S uh blocking traffic. But part

04:22:03.556 --> 04:22:06.336
of the reason is that they're in my experience, they're

04:22:06.346 --> 04:22:11.506
very defensive drivers. So like many people have mentioned

04:22:11.516 --> 04:22:16.155
today, any any near accident was just that it was a

04:22:16.167 --> 04:22:21.586
near accident and not, not an actual collision, which

04:22:21.596 --> 04:22:25.476
is not something that happens very commonly with normal

04:22:25.486 --> 04:22:30.177
human drivers. Uh I also wanted to point out that this

04:22:30.187 --> 04:22:34.707
technology is a new tool that is going to get better

04:22:34.717 --> 04:22:40.855
as it develops and if there isn't a financial incentive

04:22:40.865 --> 04:22:43.417
for the

04:22:43.417 --> 04:22:45.937
to move forwards progressed and they won't make that

04:22:45.947 --> 04:22:50.266
progress. And thank you for my time. Thank you operator

04:22:50.276 --> 04:22:55.365
Next call, please.

04:22:55.365 --> 04:23:03.467
Our next caller is Jim Sprouse. You may go ahead.

04:23:03.467 --> 04:23:07.226
Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Well, thank you

04:23:07.236 --> 04:23:09.496
and good afternoon commissioners. I'm calling to voice

04:23:09.506 --> 04:23:12.306
my strong opposition to the proposed decision on the

04:23:12.316 --> 04:23:17.667
MM 3.0 version of virtual net metering. Um Bottom line

04:23:17.677 --> 04:23:20.927
is it discriminates discriminates against lower income

04:23:20.937 --> 04:23:24.125
citizen and citizens and renters? Um You've heard a

04:23:24.135 --> 04:23:25.855
couple of comments and I'm sure you probably hear a

04:23:25.865 --> 04:23:29.266
couple more. Um What I like to do is challenge you

04:23:29.326 --> 04:23:32.746
in a courteous manner. I'll preface my challenge by

04:23:32.756 --> 04:23:35.546
talking about a prolific American statesman. He was

04:23:35.556 --> 04:23:38.417
an entrepreneur, scientist, businessman and helped

04:23:38.427 --> 04:23:40.635
draft a declaration of independence. And yes, it's

04:23:40.645 --> 04:23:43.496
Benjamin Franklin. When Ben would make decisions, he

04:23:43.506 --> 04:23:46.217
did it in a very simple way and this is my challenge

04:23:46.226 --> 04:23:49.296
to you. He would make a simple T graph and write down

04:23:49.306 --> 04:23:52.427
the pros and cons of his decisions. I challenge you

04:23:52.437 --> 04:23:54.697
to do that. In the case of the proposed regulations

04:23:54.707 --> 04:23:59.105
regarding VM, make two graphs, label them one utilities

04:23:59.135 --> 04:24:01.895
and the other side, label them as citizens of California

04:24:02.246 --> 04:24:05.066
Then table the pros and cons to each side of the current

04:24:05.256 --> 04:24:08.677
if as if the current language were to be passed as

04:24:08.687 --> 04:24:13.496
commissioner, you do have a

04:24:13.496 --> 04:24:16.016
thank you very much for your time and we look forward

04:24:16.026 --> 04:24:18.766
to seeing if your duty of care relies upon the citizens

04:24:18.776 --> 04:24:22.187
of California or the utilities. Thank you. Thank you

04:24:22.197 --> 04:24:28.016
operator. Next caller, please.

04:24:28.016 --> 04:24:30.707
Our next caller is Julie Martin. You may go ahead.

04:24:32.287 --> 04:24:35.476
Thank you. Hello, commissioners. Um I'm an educator

04:24:35.486 --> 04:24:39.296
parent and a 25 year resident of San Francisco. And

04:24:39.306 --> 04:24:42.957
I urge you to adjust the A V expansion resolution.

04:24:43.266 --> 04:24:45.655
You already know that they are not required to produce

04:24:45.667 --> 04:24:48.586
or share any safety data and that the safety data that

04:24:48.596 --> 04:24:52.115
the city of NASA produce places them at a point on

04:24:52.125 --> 04:24:54.496
their learning curve that's still unsafe for other

04:24:54.506 --> 04:24:57.707
cars and pedestrians relative to human drivers, that

04:24:57.717 --> 04:25:00.927
they obstruct emergency workers on a regular basis

04:25:00.976 --> 04:25:03.927
and that they don't yet meet the needs and safety requirements

04:25:03.937 --> 04:25:07.457
of disabled people. Under the. Ada additionally, mass

04:25:07.467 --> 04:25:10.197
deployment will immediately threaten the food and shelter

04:25:10.207 --> 04:25:13.405
safety of countless families losing their jobs as drivers

04:25:13.417 --> 04:25:16.246
to rower taxis. And there's strong implications for

04:25:16.256 --> 04:25:19.526
climate safety by prioritizing development of individual

04:25:19.537 --> 04:25:22.846
car service over public transit. The consequences are

04:25:22.855 --> 04:25:25.615
just far too serious to leave the improvements to wishful

04:25:25.625 --> 04:25:27.947
thinking that the car companies will rise the task

04:25:27.957 --> 04:25:30.437
on their own with transparency. That's why we have

04:25:30.447 --> 04:25:34.145
regulatory bodies such as the CPC. It's your duty to

04:25:34.155 --> 04:25:37.976
make the decisions based on protecting

04:25:37.976 --> 04:25:41.026
and my sons, students and community should not be endangered

04:25:41.037 --> 04:25:43.787
by being a testing ground. Banking on the notion that

04:25:43.796 --> 04:25:45.986
they'll improve their skills before too much damage

04:25:45.996 --> 04:25:49.586
is done. Please focus on developing regulatory guidelines

04:25:49.596 --> 04:25:52.967
allow cities time to prepare and improve expansion

04:25:52.976 --> 04:25:55.546
of a resolution like this. Once driverless cars have

04:25:55.556 --> 04:25:58.365
demonstrated through data that it's not just potential

04:25:58.375 --> 04:26:01.316
but they've already received that bar. Thank you. Thank

04:26:01.326 --> 04:26:07.197
you operator. Next caller, please.

04:26:07.197 --> 04:26:10.526
Our next three callers are Daniel Butter, Trisha Greer

04:26:10.967 --> 04:26:15.266
and Lorraine Lindquist. Daniel Butter. You may go ahead

04:26:15.276 --> 04:26:19.486
and your line is open.

04:26:19.486 --> 04:26:23.576
Most of the evidence or arguments made for the safety

04:26:23.586 --> 04:26:25.457
and defending the safety of driverless cars have been

04:26:25.467 --> 04:26:28.177
based on anecdotal experience. People who have experienced

04:26:28.187 --> 04:26:31.375
being test drivers for way more include, but anecdotal

04:26:31.385 --> 04:26:34.496
experience is fine unless it is directly contradicting

04:26:34.506 --> 04:26:36.996
the empirical evidence that we have about the safety

04:26:37.006 --> 04:26:39.976
of these cars. Now, the fire chief herself of San Francisco

04:26:39.986 --> 04:26:42.476
has reported over 50 incidents of self driving cars

04:26:42.486 --> 04:26:44.486
getting in the way of emergency vehicles just this

04:26:44.496 --> 04:26:47.885
year. And self driving cars are actually reported to

04:26:47.895 --> 04:26:51.276
have collisions at 130% more than human drivers. That's

04:26:51.287 --> 04:26:54.957
130% more. And this is with the important factor that

04:26:54.967 --> 04:26:57.486
right now the cars are only allowed to drive at 35

04:26:57.576 --> 04:27:01.135
ph. Now, the new proposal for them would allow far

04:27:01.145 --> 04:27:03.566
far, far more cars to be on the roads of Sanan and

04:27:03.576 --> 04:27:06.885
they would be allowed to drive as quickly as 65 ph

04:27:06.967 --> 04:27:09.927
that has the risk of drastically increasing the number

04:27:09.937 --> 04:27:13.506
of collisions and with the collisions already being

04:27:13.516 --> 04:27:16.586
so much only at 35 MP H. And on top of this

04:27:16.596 --> 04:27:19.385
we cruise would drastically increase the amount of

04:27:19.395 --> 04:27:21.846
vehicles on the road worsening the climate crisis for

04:27:21.875 --> 04:27:27.135
people. And so what's important about my point, please

04:27:27.625 --> 04:27:31.667
Until A vs are actually as safe as human drivers. Please

04:27:31.677 --> 04:27:33.417
do not let them on the road. It may come one day

04:27:33.427 --> 04:27:35.395
But right now, this is wishful thinking, this is hope

04:27:35.405 --> 04:27:37.486
for the future, which means that this cannot be rolled

04:27:37.496 --> 04:27:39.746
out right now in a way that won't harm San Franciscans

04:27:39.756 --> 04:27:42.895
and California Thank you. Thank you operator. Next

04:27:42.905 --> 04:27:48.895
caller, please.

04:27:48.895 --> 04:27:53.287
Our next call is Trisha re You may go ahead.

04:27:53.287 --> 04:27:57.056
Yes, can I be heard? Yes, you can, we can hear you

04:27:57.066 --> 04:28:00.655
Hi. My name is Trisha Grider and this is a statement

04:28:00.667 --> 04:28:04.437
on behalf of Rachel Grider, the first vice president

04:28:04.447 --> 04:28:07.496
of the National Federation of the Blind of California

04:28:08.236 --> 04:28:13.346
He had to step out to go to work. And I quote

04:28:13.355 --> 04:28:16.787
I would like to urge the commission to vote to expand

04:28:16.796 --> 04:28:21.437
the use of autonomous vehicles in San Francisco as

04:28:21.447 --> 04:28:25.537
a blind person. I use public transportation and rideshare

04:28:25.546 --> 04:28:29.026
to travel and I always need to plan for extra time

04:28:29.037 --> 04:28:33.296
to get anywhere. I am forced to use rideshare to get

04:28:33.306 --> 04:28:37.246
to work because public transportation does not go anywhere

04:28:37.256 --> 04:28:41.885
near my job, but I often face discrimination from ride

04:28:41.895 --> 04:28:46.365
share drivers because I use a guide dog, having access

04:28:46.375 --> 04:28:50.417
to autonomous vehicles would be an absolute game changer

04:28:50.427 --> 04:28:54.246
for me and others because it will allow us to travel

04:28:54.256 --> 04:29:01.895
more efficiently and independently responsible

04:29:01.895 --> 04:29:05.865
autonomous vehicles in San Francisco. Keeping safety

04:29:05.875 --> 04:29:10.427
and accessibility in mind is an essential step in empowering

04:29:10.437 --> 04:29:14.537
all blind Californians with the right to travel independently

04:29:14.605 --> 04:29:18.026
and without discrimination. Thank you so much for your

04:29:18.037 --> 04:29:23.986
time. Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

04:29:23.986 --> 04:29:27.246
Our next caller is Lorraine Lundquist. You may go ahead

04:29:27.256 --> 04:29:29.947
and your line is open.

04:29:29.947 --> 04:29:34.066
Hi. My name is Doctor Lorraine Lures. I, I just want

04:29:34.076 --> 04:29:35.895
to thank the commissioners. I know it's been a long

04:29:35.905 --> 04:29:38.096
meeting and I really appreciate the opportunity to

04:29:38.105 --> 04:29:42.006
speak to you today. I'm calling about Aliso Kenyon

04:29:42.016 --> 04:29:45.556
and asking you to vote um to close down the facility

04:29:45.566 --> 04:29:48.596
according to the governor's proposed timeline, uh to

04:29:48.605 --> 04:29:52.437
close down the facility by 2027. This is good for the

04:29:52.447 --> 04:29:55.457
community. It's good for public safety, but it's also

04:29:55.467 --> 04:29:59.506
good for our critical climate goals for our state.

04:29:59.516 --> 04:30:04.266
Um The Aliso Canyon gas storage facility is in an active

04:30:04.375 --> 04:30:08.135
earthquake fault zone. Literally every well actually

04:30:08.145 --> 04:30:12.596
crosses the Santa Susana fault, um which has had major

04:30:12.605 --> 04:30:15.076
earthquakes in the past. And if there were another

04:30:15.086 --> 04:30:18.792
major earthquake, all of the wells could rupture multiple

04:30:18.802 --> 04:30:22.901
wells. Our community suffered greatly when the there

04:30:22.912 --> 04:30:28.461
was a well blowout in 2015. And it just makes sense

04:30:28.611 --> 04:30:32.691
to use this opportunity where we've been operating

04:30:34.246 --> 04:30:38.236
to shut down the facility. Thank you. Thank you operator

04:30:38.246 --> 04:30:43.806
Next caller, please.

04:30:43.806 --> 04:30:46.687
Our next call, our next three callers are Ming Samuel

04:30:46.697 --> 04:30:52.306
Luke Kheer and Joseph pre savage, Ming Samuel. You

04:30:52.316 --> 04:30:56.236
may go ahead. Your line is open.

04:30:56.236 --> 04:30:58.707
Hi, my name is Mwai Samuel. I used to think cruise

04:30:58.717 --> 04:31:00.875
A vs were all right. Then last month I started paying

04:31:00.885 --> 04:31:04.086
attention, June 23rd cruise serves a crossing pedestrian

04:31:04.096 --> 04:31:07.355
July 11th cruz runs at red lights almost hitting bus

04:31:07.365 --> 04:31:10.056
a few stalls in intersections, blocking buses and crosswalks

04:31:10.066 --> 04:31:12.865
Sure, whatever. But as the data turned from a short

04:31:12.875 --> 04:31:15.927
list into a 180 item on spreadsheet. It's become clear

04:31:15.937 --> 04:31:18.437
to me that A V are simply not ready and that there's

04:31:18.447 --> 04:31:21.947
a huge regulatory vacuum. We've collected 48 in instances

04:31:21.957 --> 04:31:25.066
since the start of August. Today's August 10th, 40

04:31:25.076 --> 04:31:28.855
unsafe stalls, actually 40 42. Now 15 of those walking

04:31:28.865 --> 04:31:31.645
crosswalks five times, messing with police and firefighters

04:31:31.655 --> 04:31:34.266
six times walking the box. We're averaging 30 a week

04:31:34.276 --> 04:31:36.766
reported with photos and videos at space streetb dot

04:31:36.776 --> 04:31:40.256
com slash a failures including four stalls during this

04:31:40.266 --> 04:31:43.076
meeting. AVS are not self driving. They use a team

04:31:43.086 --> 04:31:46.096
to remotely direct them during stalls. In June 2022

04:31:46.105 --> 04:31:48.667
crews had a network outage. Cars were on their own

04:31:48.677 --> 04:31:51.766
within hours, 60 cruises stalled all across the city

04:31:51.826 --> 04:31:54.246
mainly when encountering other stalls plotting the

04:31:54.256 --> 04:31:57.496
streets like platelets after a expansion. I look forward

04:31:57.506 --> 04:32:01.826
with morbid excitement to the day 2000. Please vote

04:32:01.836 --> 04:32:06.096
No, especially against Cruz. Thank you. Thank you operator

04:32:06.105 --> 04:32:09.296
Next caller, please.

04:32:09.296 --> 04:32:14.865
Our next caller is Luke Kheer. You may go ahead.

04:32:14.865 --> 04:32:17.177
Yeah, my name is Luke Bheer. I urge you to vote. No

04:32:17.187 --> 04:32:20.246
on the expansion of and Cruz's ability to operate evs

04:32:20.256 --> 04:32:23.096
in San Francisco. I'm a former tech worker as well

04:32:23.105 --> 04:32:25.355
as a father and a safe street advocate who has seen

04:32:25.365 --> 04:32:28.417
the negative effects of our car dominated streets.

04:32:28.697 --> 04:32:31.316
The proposed expansion of A BS in San San Francisco

04:32:31.326 --> 04:32:33.385
streets will have widespread negative effects on our

04:32:33.395 --> 04:32:36.135
streets. The city as a whole and the planet including

04:32:36.145 --> 04:32:39.796
but not limited to an increase in vehicle miles traveled

04:32:40.296 --> 04:32:42.816
I urge you to vote no on today's resolution. Delaying

04:32:42.826 --> 04:32:45.447
further authorization of autonomous vehicles in San

04:32:45.457 --> 04:32:48.467
Francisco roll back previous authorizations while the

04:32:48.476 --> 04:32:52.655
impacts of A vs on vehicle miles traveled, climate

04:32:52.667 --> 04:32:55.177
change, pollution and public safety are studied by

04:32:55.187 --> 04:32:57.836
an independent government body and demand that A V

04:32:57.846 --> 04:33:00.905
companies share unredacted incident data with the public

04:33:01.447 --> 04:33:04.776
I my child and the rest of the general public rely

04:33:04.787 --> 04:33:08.986
on you to regulate EB companies like and Cruz so as

04:33:08.996 --> 04:33:12.056
to protect us our streets and our plants from the negative

04:33:12.066 --> 04:33:15.506
impacts of unregulated corporations who have and will

04:33:15.516 --> 04:33:19.605
continue to put their business interests

04:33:19.605 --> 04:33:22.875
of the general public and public land. Please do everything

04:33:22.885 --> 04:33:25.066
in your power to regulate these companies to ensure

04:33:25.076 --> 04:33:27.336
the public is protected from the negative impact of

04:33:27.346 --> 04:33:30.467
unlimited expansion of beta A B software on our streets

04:33:30.736 --> 04:33:33.207
We, the people do not consent to being guinea pigs

04:33:33.217 --> 04:33:35.816
for these for profit corporations and their beta software

04:33:35.865 --> 04:33:38.496
Please vote no on the expansion of Way and Cruz's ability

04:33:38.506 --> 04:33:42.276
to operate beta software on our streets. We need way

04:33:42.287 --> 04:33:46.217
mo regulation. Thank you.

04:33:46.217 --> 04:33:51.645
Thank you, operator. Next color, please. Our next caller

04:33:51.655 --> 04:33:55.875
is Joseph Krensavage. You may go ahead. Good afternoon

04:33:55.885 --> 04:33:57.697
commissioners. Thank you very much for your public

04:33:57.707 --> 04:34:00.616
service. My name is Joseph Krensavage. I support the

04:34:00.627 --> 04:34:04.955
expansion of operations of autonomous vehicles by cruise

04:34:04.966 --> 04:34:09.366
in because my daughter is a developmentally disabled

04:34:09.377 --> 04:34:12.087
person, she may never be able to obtain a driver's

04:34:12.096 --> 04:34:15.556
license and will very likely benefit from autonomous

04:34:15.567 --> 04:34:19.377
vehicles by enabling her access to reliable and convenient

04:34:19.386 --> 04:34:23.326
transportation without the risk of human error or negligence

04:34:23.337 --> 04:34:27.196
by a driver of an Uber or Lyft, a vehicle, autonomous

04:34:27.205 --> 04:34:29.966
vehicles will also eliminate the risk of a driver taking

04:34:29.975 --> 04:34:32.547
advantage of my daughter's cognitive limitations and

04:34:32.556 --> 04:34:35.486
compromising her personal safety and well being. I

04:34:35.495 --> 04:34:38.567
believe autonomous vehicle technology is ready for

04:34:38.576 --> 04:34:41.995
responsible expansion and it will continue to improve

04:34:42.006 --> 04:34:44.806
I believe the enormous benefits of autonomous vehicles

04:34:44.817 --> 04:34:48.415
far outweigh the potential risks. Thank you. Thank

04:34:48.426 --> 04:34:53.357
you operator. Next caller, please.

04:34:53.357 --> 04:34:56.256
And we currently have 25 callers in queue. Our next

04:34:56.265 --> 04:35:00.857
three callers are Mary Morris Ryan Walstrom and Logan

04:35:01.415 --> 04:35:04.656
Ivaco. Mary Morris. You may go ahead. Your line is

04:35:04.665 --> 04:35:08.857
open. Good afternoon, President Reynolds and Commissioners

04:35:08.866 --> 04:35:11.886
My name is Mary Morris and I'm here on behalf of thrive

04:35:11.897 --> 04:35:15.076
and the small school districts association to thank

04:35:15.087 --> 04:35:18.076
the commission for investing in rural communities through

04:35:18.205 --> 04:35:21.386
the digital Divide grant program. This program will

04:35:21.397 --> 04:35:24.736
be a life changing transformative investment, ensuring

04:35:24.745 --> 04:35:28.616
that communities though we are not disconnected. It

04:35:28.627 --> 04:35:31.576
will also ensure that teachers in rural places have

04:35:31.587 --> 04:35:34.696
the tools to create transformative learning experiences

04:35:34.705 --> 04:35:38.386
for their students. So from the bottom of our hearts

04:35:38.406 --> 04:35:41.636
we wanted to show our gratitude for this investment

04:35:41.647 --> 04:35:46.176
in rural California communities. Thank you. Thank you

04:35:46.185 --> 04:35:50.276
operator. Next caller, please.

04:35:50.276 --> 04:35:53.486
Our next caller is Ryan Walstrom. You may go ahead

04:35:54.616 --> 04:35:58.806
Yes, ma'am. Um, uh, hi, my name is Ryan Walstrom and

04:35:58.817 --> 04:36:02.245
uh, I'm currently 1/5 year apprentice in, uh, the IBW

04:36:02.256 --> 04:36:06.276
and local six. I'm calling to show my support for a

04:36:06.287 --> 04:36:11.256
cruise and application to, uh, expand the EV, uh, Ride

04:36:11.265 --> 04:36:14.756
Hill Services in San Francisco. Um, you know, I, I

04:36:14.765 --> 04:36:17.297
know it's a subject that might rub some people the

04:36:17.306 --> 04:36:19.946
wrong way and some people the right way. I just, I

04:36:19.955 --> 04:36:22.196
really appreciate how everybody today has been really

04:36:22.205 --> 04:36:27.435
civil. And um you know, I hope in the end that, you

04:36:27.446 --> 04:36:30.446
know, everybody feels at least ok about the solution

04:36:30.455 --> 04:36:33.265
and it works out for everybody, but this is what America

04:36:33.276 --> 04:36:36.886
is all about. It's about talking about things and expressing

04:36:36.897 --> 04:36:40.526
our views publicly. And um yeah, I just hope it works

04:36:40.537 --> 04:36:43.096
out for everybody in the end, but I do support it.

04:36:43.107 --> 04:36:45.826
We lost a lot of jobs during COVID as electricians

04:36:45.837 --> 04:36:48.317
and this would be a great way for us to kind of

04:36:48.986 --> 04:36:51.486
you know, I'll get back on the map. So, um thank you

04:36:51.495 --> 04:36:53.547
for listening to me today and y'all have a great day

04:36:53.685 --> 04:36:59.337
Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

04:36:59.337 --> 04:37:03.765
Our next caller is Logan Ivaco. You may go ahead. Hi

04:37:03.776 --> 04:37:06.946
I urge you to vote against the expansion of the A BS

04:37:06.955 --> 04:37:09.776
These companies have no fiduciary responsibility to

04:37:09.787 --> 04:37:12.317
their writers or the public. They have a responsibility

04:37:12.326 --> 04:37:15.866
to their investors and that's not how safe cost effective

04:37:15.877 --> 04:37:19.386
environmentally just or labor oriented utilities work

04:37:19.705 --> 04:37:22.006
I live in the Richmond District where A VS showed up

04:37:22.015 --> 04:37:24.866
suddenly without community involvement. I've personally

04:37:24.877 --> 04:37:27.366
had multiple dangerous experiences with A VS in my

04:37:27.377 --> 04:37:30.475
neighborhood including one blocking a fire truck after

04:37:30.486 --> 04:37:33.995
a motorcycle accident and ignoring bike hand signals

04:37:34.087 --> 04:37:36.790
These A VS are doing much Uber and lifted. They're

04:37:37.261 --> 04:37:41.361
superficially keeping prices low to gain public support

04:37:41.370 --> 04:37:44.951
and will raise prices once they become a monopoly and

04:37:44.962 --> 04:37:47.772
run humans out of business, this is all being done

04:37:47.781 --> 04:37:50.821
without appropriate oversight or real jobs transition

04:37:50.830 --> 04:37:54.136
plan. Additionally, people who say these are environmentally

04:37:54.147 --> 04:37:56.526
friendly solution failed to note that the regional

04:37:56.537 --> 04:37:59.397
air district has cited that the largest pollutant to

04:37:59.406 --> 04:38:02.475
our air and water actually comes from tires rather

04:38:02.486 --> 04:38:05.185
than expanding car infrastructure. We should be investing

04:38:05.196 --> 04:38:09.076
in improving, meet the needs of those on the call.

04:38:09.127 --> 04:38:11.946
Finally, how did we get to the point where we're relying

04:38:11.955 --> 04:38:14.866
on another human is seen as more dangerous than corporate

04:38:14.877 --> 04:38:18.567
greed? Thank you. Thank you operator. Next caller,

04:38:18.576 --> 04:38:22.406
please.

04:38:22.406 --> 04:38:26.475
Our next three calls are Bruce Wolf, Kane, Shay and

04:38:26.486 --> 04:38:30.136
Julia Dillard Bruce. If you may go ahead, your line

04:38:30.147 --> 04:38:32.607
is open.

04:38:32.607 --> 04:38:35.647
Hi, my name is Bruce Wolf Pack of San Francisco and

04:38:35.656 --> 04:38:39.357
Animal Welfare Group. Please vote no on this for uh

04:38:39.366 --> 04:38:43.647
the and uh cruise autonomous vehicles making these

04:38:43.656 --> 04:38:46.297
publicly traded companies a utility will allow them

04:38:46.306 --> 04:38:50.225
incumbency just like any other municipal utility franchisee

04:38:50.236 --> 04:38:53.256
And we've seen the problems they bring which uh come

04:38:53.265 --> 04:38:57.087
before you. And I echo the previous speaker on ad a

04:38:57.096 --> 04:39:00.415
requirements for all disabilities before approving

04:39:00.426 --> 04:39:04.076
use of these vehicles. Instead, the public's concerns

04:39:05.116 --> 04:39:08.547
will have to come back here before you. And according

04:39:08.556 --> 04:39:10.656
to you, as regulators, your charge is to follow the

04:39:10.665 --> 04:39:14.026
law and not public opinion words that you have mentioned

04:39:14.037 --> 04:39:17.265
many times and many other issues such as smart meters

04:39:17.276 --> 04:39:20.205
and public power. But the public's concerns must pay

04:39:20.216 --> 04:39:22.926
heed to you. Our voices should affect your assessments

04:39:22.935 --> 04:39:26.886
on life changing decisions like this and not be discounted

04:39:26.897 --> 04:39:30.216
voicing this on the public without our voice having

04:39:30.225 --> 04:39:34.745
an effect is disingenuous. Any advantages or benefits

04:39:34.756 --> 04:39:38.986
to the public by exist as independent businesses in

04:39:38.995 --> 04:39:42.837
regular market competition. But allowing them full

04:39:42.846 --> 04:39:45.787
access statewide with no local ability to regulate

04:39:45.797 --> 04:39:48.377
is excessive and overbearing which will cause more

04:39:48.386 --> 04:39:51.696
harm to humans, pet some wildlife and lawsuits which

04:39:51.705 --> 04:39:54.636
I for one do not want my tax funded state budget to

04:39:54.647 --> 04:39:58.265
pay for. I personally had to scrape a dog who was run

04:39:58.276 --> 04:40:01.596
over by an autonomous vehicle after midnight that didn't

04:40:01.607 --> 04:40:05.047
stop even after the salt and battery. Who's responsible

04:40:05.056 --> 04:40:08.857
How are you going to account for their Felonious responsibility

04:40:09.725 --> 04:40:13.975
Recall the gas leak explosions. Uh Thank you. Please

04:40:13.986 --> 04:40:21.475
vote. No, thank you operator. Next color, please.

04:40:21.475 --> 04:40:24.306
Our next caller is Kane. She, you may go ahead. Your

04:40:24.317 --> 04:40:29.526
line is open. Uh Hi, I'm calling from 22nd and Harrison

04:40:29.537 --> 04:40:33.185
Street in San Francisco where last March, a human truck

04:40:33.196 --> 04:40:36.096
driver ran down and killed an elementary school teacher

04:40:36.107 --> 04:40:39.317
in broad daylight. Um I know there's a lot of positive

04:40:39.326 --> 04:40:42.087
and negative emotional reactions to technology. So

04:40:42.096 --> 04:40:45.725
I'm just going to directly cite some SF MC A and CPUC

04:40:45.806 --> 04:40:51.665
publications the 2022 SFMT A speed management evaluation

04:40:51.676 --> 04:40:54.986
summary said San Francisco is at a record number of

04:40:54.995 --> 04:40:57.466
pedestrian deaths over double our vision zero goals

04:40:57.475 --> 04:41:00.955
all from human drivers last year, they tried to reduce

04:41:00.966 --> 04:41:04.776
speed in 28 corridors with 300 speed limit signs and

04:41:04.787 --> 04:41:07.256
the direct quote here, speed is the leading cause of

04:41:07.265 --> 04:41:10.897
severe and fatal crashes. In San Francisco, speed limit

04:41:10.906 --> 04:41:14.725
compliance has decreased on every street where they

04:41:14.787 --> 04:41:18.665
implemented new signs and there was essentially no

04:41:18.676 --> 04:41:22.857
change in egregious speeding. So that is where we are

04:41:22.866 --> 04:41:28.047
with human drivers. I'm now studying CPUC agenda resolution

04:41:28.056 --> 04:41:34.705
TL 44 that found in millions of miles with four accidents

04:41:34.955 --> 04:41:39.685
caused autonomous vehicles. All four were human faults

04:41:39.696 --> 04:41:43.245
So in three human drivers hit the car and then the

04:41:43.256 --> 04:41:45.665
other in the last one, the human driver tried to cut

04:41:45.676 --> 04:41:48.986
across the limo and cause an accident. I urge you to

04:41:48.995 --> 04:41:51.665
vote to expand the autonomous vehicles for safety.

04:41:51.676 --> 04:41:55.147
Thank you. Thank you operator. Next caller, please

04:41:58.776 --> 04:42:02.587
Our next caller is Julia Dillard with IBEW local six

04:42:02.716 --> 04:42:05.317
You may go ahead.

04:42:05.317 --> 04:42:07.935
Good afternoon commissioners. Uh My name is Julia Dillard

04:42:07.946 --> 04:42:10.576
and I'm an apprentice in IVW local six as well as the

04:42:10.587 --> 04:42:12.866
San Francisco resident. And I'm just calling to uh

04:42:12.877 --> 04:42:16.547
to support with my support for the expansion of Cruz

04:42:16.556 --> 04:42:21.107
and uh applications to expand their vehicle ride services

04:42:21.116 --> 04:42:25.196
in the city. Um This expansion will be especially valuable

04:42:25.205 --> 04:42:28.656
to uh us local six apprentices. Um It'll also help

04:42:28.665 --> 04:42:31.156
us prepare for the expansion of the green economy uh

04:42:31.165 --> 04:42:34.156
in terms of helping us learn more about electrical

04:42:34.165 --> 04:42:38.015
infrastructure and how to install charging stations

04:42:38.026 --> 04:42:40.756
and things like that. So, um overall, I think this

04:42:40.765 --> 04:42:42.596
is going to be a net benefit for the city for the

04:42:42.607 --> 04:42:46.047
residents as well as for labor here in the city. Um

04:42:46.056 --> 04:42:48.886
So I'm very much in support of this and I just wanted

04:42:48.897 --> 04:42:51.986
to thank you for your time.

04:42:51.986 --> 04:43:00.026
Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

04:43:00.026 --> 04:43:03.495
Our next three calls are Devin Terry, Ryan Gilmore

04:43:03.506 --> 04:43:07.236
and Ryan Spurlock seven Perry. You may go ahead. Your

04:43:07.245 --> 04:43:09.857
line is open.

04:43:09.857 --> 04:43:13.776
Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Hi, my name is

04:43:13.787 --> 04:43:17.415
Devon Terry. I'm a current cruise writer. I have to

04:43:17.426 --> 04:43:23.337
say I strongly urge the support for expanding cruise

04:43:23.346 --> 04:43:26.826
and I've written in the person, I'm running in them

04:43:26.837 --> 04:43:29.656
with the person as a person with a disability. I feel

04:43:29.665 --> 04:43:35.047
real safe riding them and because it's like they go

04:43:35.056 --> 04:43:39.317
like they go everywhere. I had drivers like fall asleep

04:43:39.326 --> 04:43:43.176
on me and lift in Ubers and almost got into an accident

04:43:43.966 --> 04:43:47.547
Never had that happen in a cruise vehicle. Thank you

04:43:47.556 --> 04:43:51.256
for your time. Thank you operator. Next caller, please

04:43:53.475 --> 04:43:56.185
Our next caller is Ryan Gilmore. You may go ahead.

04:43:57.236 --> 04:44:01.466
Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Great. Hi, my name

04:44:01.475 --> 04:44:03.906
is Ryan Gilmore and I urge you all to vote against

04:44:03.915 --> 04:44:06.406
the expansion of A V operations on the streets of San

04:44:06.415 --> 04:44:10.026
Francisco. As a driver in San Francisco. I have seen

04:44:10.037 --> 04:44:12.397
a vs behave erratically and break the rules of the

04:44:12.406 --> 04:44:15.357
road. I was on a heavily backed up Irving Street in

04:44:15.366 --> 04:44:17.826
a sunset a few weeks ago and a cruise vehicle seemed

04:44:17.837 --> 04:44:20.185
to have thought the line of traffic before a stop sign

04:44:20.196 --> 04:44:23.357
was a row of parked cars. It was driving west on the

04:44:23.366 --> 04:44:25.685
wrong side of the street, oblivious to the countless

04:44:25.696 --> 04:44:28.547
drivers honking and waving at it as I understand it

04:44:28.556 --> 04:44:31.037
there is no pathway to accountability for the traffic

04:44:31.047 --> 04:44:34.346
violations committed by these who will be held responsible

04:44:34.357 --> 04:44:37.446
when a software or logic error results in death. Even

04:44:37.455 --> 04:44:39.866
beyond my doubts as a driver trying to conscientiously

04:44:39.877 --> 04:44:42.647
share the road with public transit bicyclists and avs

04:44:42.765 --> 04:44:45.616
I am also greatly concerned with the complete absence

04:44:45.627 --> 04:44:47.946
of obligation on the part of Waymo and crews to share

04:44:47.955 --> 04:44:50.547
operations data freely with the city and the public

04:44:50.906 --> 04:44:52.857
We were not consulted on whether we wanted to live

04:44:52.866 --> 04:44:55.116
in a test course for A VS. And I think it's reasonable

04:44:55.127 --> 04:44:57.537
to demand visibility to how these machines impact our

04:44:57.547 --> 04:45:00.676
communities. I also have great concern over the surveillance

04:45:00.685 --> 04:45:02.567
these vehicles conduct on our neighborhoods, not to

04:45:02.576 --> 04:45:06.745
mention the way er jobs and work opportunities, increasing

04:45:06.756 --> 04:45:08.986
the number of A vs on the road will also increase energy

04:45:08.995 --> 04:45:12.636
consumption and create more waste. And I deeply appreciate

04:45:12.647 --> 04:45:14.526
the comments given today about how these technologies

04:45:14.537 --> 04:45:16.276
can improve the lives of the elderly and different

04:45:16.287 --> 04:45:18.665
enabled members of our community. But disregarding

04:45:18.676 --> 04:45:21.185
these concerns I and others have raised will undoubtedly

04:45:21.196 --> 04:45:23.587
cause great harm to our community and society. I urge

04:45:23.596 --> 04:45:26.676
you not to expand authorizations and to roll back existing

04:45:26.685 --> 04:45:28.627
authorization until these questions of accountability

04:45:28.636 --> 04:45:31.576
have been addressed. Thank you. Thank you, operator

04:45:31.587 --> 04:45:35.787
Nick Color, please.

04:45:35.787 --> 04:45:38.236
Our next caller is Ryan Spurlock. You may go ahead

04:45:38.245 --> 04:45:42.185
and your line is open. Hi, my name is Ryan Spurlock

04:45:42.265 --> 04:45:45.787
and I'm the founder and CEO of Human Made, a nonprofit

04:45:45.797 --> 04:45:48.346
advanced manufacturing training and workforce development

04:45:48.357 --> 04:45:51.397
organization that serves underserved individuals through

04:45:51.406 --> 04:45:53.685
our career training and placement as well as we support

04:45:53.696 --> 04:45:56.486
the hardware and startup community here in San Francisco

04:45:56.665 --> 04:45:59.676
I'm calling in to share our strong support of Cruz's

04:45:59.685 --> 04:46:02.955
request to expand its operations 24 7 to service all

04:46:02.966 --> 04:46:05.787
of San Francisco as an important community partner

04:46:05.797 --> 04:46:08.245
to us. And many other organizations in San Francisco

04:46:08.616 --> 04:46:11.087
Cruise is helping to advance sustainable clean and

04:46:11.096 --> 04:46:13.986
safe transportation options for everyone in all communities

04:46:14.076 --> 04:46:16.765
Human made is proud to be a long time partner of Cruise

04:46:17.037 --> 04:46:19.776
for many years through its social impact program. Crews

04:46:19.787 --> 04:46:23.185
for good. Cruz has used its all electric self driving

04:46:23.196 --> 04:46:26.107
fleet to deliver more than 2.3 million meals to San

04:46:26.116 --> 04:46:29.406
Franciscans. In our program, participants receive meals

04:46:29.415 --> 04:46:31.486
delivered by cruise through our mutual partnership

04:46:31.495 --> 04:46:34.165
with at that New Deal. And we are grateful for their

04:46:34.176 --> 04:46:36.826
efforts to support our community with this critical

04:46:36.837 --> 04:46:39.745
need. As soon as insecurities continue to persist.

04:46:39.955 --> 04:46:42.547
We asked the commission to approve Cruz's application

04:46:42.636 --> 04:46:45.725
to expand its services

04:46:45.725 --> 04:46:48.415
through first hand experience of the impact that autonomous

04:46:48.426 --> 04:46:50.676
vehicles have in the lives of our workforce, trainees

04:46:50.685 --> 04:46:53.506
here in San Francisco through our new delivery partnerships

04:46:53.515 --> 04:46:55.736
We believe that approving cruises application will

04:46:55.745 --> 04:46:58.047
help grow the number of green jobs in the bay area

04:46:58.236 --> 04:47:00.587
like fleet repair technicians and charging station

04:47:00.596 --> 04:47:03.397
technicians and will provide clean transportation options

04:47:03.406 --> 04:47:05.966
that benefit our city businesses, residents and visitors

04:47:05.975 --> 04:47:07.787
and more importantly, better serve our most vulnerable

04:47:07.797 --> 04:47:09.846
communities. Thank you commissioners in advance for

04:47:09.857 --> 04:47:12.935
your time and consideration. Thank you, operator. Next

04:47:12.946 --> 04:47:16.866
caller, please.

04:47:16.866 --> 04:47:19.926
We have 20 currently in Q. Our next three callers are

04:47:19.935 --> 04:47:26.547
Bonnie Jane and Erica Bonnie Jane. You wanna go ahead

04:47:26.556 --> 04:47:30.107
Your line is open. I can see the older Republican guys

04:47:30.116 --> 04:47:32.056
just like saying whatever the fuck they put in front

04:47:32.067 --> 04:47:34.995
of that reality

04:47:34.995 --> 04:47:38.556
again, Bonnie Jane, your line is open. You may go ahead

04:47:38.567 --> 04:47:48.297
with your comment

04:47:48.297 --> 04:47:53.037
and shall we go to the next caller? Yes, please.

04:47:53.037 --> 04:47:58.745
Our next color is fennel. You may go ahead.

04:47:58.745 --> 04:48:04.765
Hello, good afternoon. My name is Fennel Doyle and

04:48:04.776 --> 04:48:10.897
I'm calling because I am adamantly opposed to A V.

04:48:11.366 --> 04:48:16.696
I'm a San Francisco resident of 13 years and the PPUC

04:48:16.705 --> 04:48:19.287
must delay any further authorization of the autonomous

04:48:19.297 --> 04:48:22.837
vehicles in San Francisco roll back previous authorizations

04:48:22.846 --> 04:48:25.995
while the impact of A vs on vehicle miles travel, climate

04:48:26.006 --> 04:48:28.616
change, pollution and public safety are studied by

04:48:28.627 --> 04:48:32.136
an independent government body in demand that A V companies

04:48:32.147 --> 04:48:37.455
share unredacted incident data with the public.

04:48:37.455 --> 04:48:41.486
I unapologetically demand that all cars are banned

04:48:41.495 --> 04:48:45.326
from San Francisco on a breastfeeding birth giving

04:48:45.337 --> 04:48:48.377
mother of a human child. The cars are problematic and

04:48:48.386 --> 04:48:52.426
harmful to all living beings.

04:48:52.426 --> 04:48:56.636
I had to even start a home school because San Francisco

04:48:56.647 --> 04:49:00.806
was unable to provide a clean environment for my son

04:49:00.817 --> 04:49:05.107
and I during COVID, we put on double. Have you even

04:49:05.116 --> 04:49:10.955
researched the chemicals? This object which is fundamentally

04:49:10.966 --> 04:49:16.475
trash is roving around our city according to the provisions

04:49:16.486 --> 04:49:24.787
and chemicals listed on California prop 65.

04:49:24.787 --> 04:49:27.015
My son and I, we've been fighting for car free spaces

04:49:27.026 --> 04:49:29.897
transit, equity and end of car dominance, people, community

04:49:29.906 --> 04:49:32.147
and open green space. Once they prioritized over polluting

04:49:32.156 --> 04:49:34.556
dangerous and murderous vehicles, all cars should be

04:49:34.567 --> 04:49:37.926
banned in San Francisco

04:49:37.926 --> 04:49:42.995
Robotaxis. Add more. I need to ask you to cars

04:49:42.995 --> 04:49:46.047
during a climate and traffic violence crisis. If we

04:49:46.107 --> 04:49:48.156
allow these become as pervasive as the proponent so

04:49:48.297 --> 04:49:50.067
often to be our cities will be forced further into

04:49:50.076 --> 04:49:52.906
car dependency and these to sell more cars for private

04:49:52.915 --> 04:49:57.287
profits. American Auto Auto need to ask you to wrap

04:49:57.297 --> 04:50:01.607
up your time. Thank you very much for your cars, addressing

04:50:01.616 --> 04:50:03.915
the problems that come with car to tenancy means changing

04:50:03.926 --> 04:50:06.386
our city neighborhoods to function with fewer of them

04:50:06.397 --> 04:50:11.225
driverless are not. Thank you for your comment operator

04:50:11.236 --> 04:50:14.256
Let's go to the next caller.

04:50:14.256 --> 04:50:18.136
Our next call is Erica. You may go ahead. Your line

04:50:18.147 --> 04:50:20.287
is open.

04:50:20.287 --> 04:50:23.216
Hi, I'm Eric. I live in the Castro in San Francisco

04:50:23.225 --> 04:50:26.287
I'm a UX researcher in tech and I urge you to vote

04:50:26.297 --> 04:50:29.647
no on the authorization, uh authorization of autonomous

04:50:29.656 --> 04:50:32.736
vehicles in San Francisco. You can't ignore the fact

04:50:32.745 --> 04:50:36.015
that the rollout of A VS has been a disaster. The number

04:50:36.026 --> 04:50:38.897
of incidents of A VS, blocking emergency responders

04:50:38.906 --> 04:50:41.877
which is a life or death scenario, blocking buses,

04:50:41.886 --> 04:50:44.803
creating congestion and dangerous traffic scenarios

04:50:44.812 --> 04:50:47.662
and putting pedestrians in harm's way are overwhelmingly

04:50:47.672 --> 04:50:50.361
high. Personally, I've been pushed out of crosswalks

04:50:50.372 --> 04:50:52.602
by them and I can actually never tell if they can see

04:50:52.611 --> 04:50:55.662
me allowing the expansion of this, given all the data

04:50:55.672 --> 04:50:58.392
we have on what's going wrong is reckless premature

04:50:58.401 --> 04:51:01.533
and it will kill people. This company's ethos is to

04:51:01.542 --> 04:51:04.131
move fast and make profit and we can see that with

04:51:04.142 --> 04:51:07.058
all these incidents go to their lack of transparency

04:51:07.067 --> 04:51:10.198
with data use of surveillance without our consent and

04:51:10.209 --> 04:51:13.138
seeing accessibility as an afterthought in the non-compliance

04:51:13.149 --> 04:51:15.868
with ad A as we've heard about today. Is unethical

04:51:15.879 --> 04:51:18.527
It's, it's unethical to put our transit system into

04:51:18.538 --> 04:51:21.649
the hands of these CEO S with the wrong motivations

04:51:21.658 --> 04:51:23.959
Thank you. And I urge you to vote no and oppose the

04:51:23.968 --> 04:51:26.859
expansion of A Ds in San Francisco and roll back previous

04:51:26.868 --> 04:51:30.839
authorizations. Thank you, operator. Next caller, please

04:51:34.915 --> 04:51:38.826
Our next three callers are Brian Kilton, Bill mcleod

04:51:38.837 --> 04:51:43.265
and Andrew Kennedy. Brian Kilton. You may go ahead

04:51:43.276 --> 04:51:54.765
Your line is open

04:51:54.765 --> 04:51:57.127
again, Brian Culton, your line is open. We are not

04:51:57.136 --> 04:52:08.386
able to hear you. Please check your mute button.

04:52:08.386 --> 04:52:10.636
And should we go to the next caller? Yes, thank you

04:52:10.647 --> 04:52:12.857
operator

04:52:12.857 --> 04:52:15.745
and Bill mcleod. You may go ahead. Your line is open

04:52:16.245 --> 04:52:19.787
Great. Thanks very much as a San Francisco native.

04:52:20.216 --> 04:52:23.765
I'm a biker. I'm a pedestrian and I really appreciate

04:52:23.776 --> 04:52:27.397
the potential safety of non distracted drivers at a

04:52:27.406 --> 04:52:32.756
time where driving or drivers have really gotten incredibly

04:52:32.765 --> 04:52:38.587
dangerous. But um, also I was at the DARPA Grand challenge

04:52:38.596 --> 04:52:41.906
19 years ago, which was really the watershed moment

04:52:41.915 --> 04:52:45.705
for these cars. None of the cars, autonomous vehicles

04:52:45.716 --> 04:52:48.607
finished the course and several didn't even get out

04:52:48.616 --> 04:52:52.236
of the starting gate. Um So we've come a long way since

04:52:52.245 --> 04:52:55.756
then and that's really incredible, but we are not ready

04:52:55.765 --> 04:52:59.366
yet. I don't think a 10 fold increase in having these

04:52:59.377 --> 04:53:03.127
on the road. I've been biking along and an autonomous

04:53:03.136 --> 04:53:05.886
vehicle will be next to me and it just stalls in the

04:53:05.897 --> 04:53:10.216
road next to me, blocking the road. This happened this

04:53:10.225 --> 04:53:12.886
week on Valencia Street, which has a new center bike

04:53:12.897 --> 04:53:17.056
lane and that shuts down the entire street because

04:53:17.067 --> 04:53:22.176
there's no flexibility anymore. In Valencia,

04:53:22.176 --> 04:53:25.756
all the cars had to go up and drive through and pummel

04:53:25.765 --> 04:53:29.435
the new bike lane barriers. So it's when more, more

04:53:29.446 --> 04:53:32.656
oversight is needed. I think if you come back in six

04:53:32.665 --> 04:53:35.837
months and you know, they, they not just oversight

04:53:35.846 --> 04:53:39.366
from the PC, but also there needs to be a system where

04:53:39.377 --> 04:53:43.245
first responders can immediately contact the vehicles

04:53:43.256 --> 04:53:45.547
not just from a QR code, but they can speak to the

04:53:45.556 --> 04:53:48.886
car and there have to be people watching and monitoring

04:53:48.897 --> 04:53:52.665
every car that doesn't have a driver. And if and if

04:53:52.676 --> 04:53:54.526
you do allow this, I mean, I need to ask you to

04:53:54.537 --> 04:53:56.806
wrap up like Valencia Street that will be shutting

04:53:57.225 --> 04:54:00.857
up if one car stops. So, thank you. Great. Thank you

04:54:01.537 --> 04:54:06.665
operator. Next caller, please.

04:54:06.665 --> 04:54:10.156
We currently have 15 in Q our next caller is current

04:54:10.165 --> 04:54:14.176
I'm sorry, Andrew Kennedy. You may go ahead.

04:54:14.176 --> 04:54:16.716
Thank you. Hi, my name is Andrew Kennedy. I'm an sf

04:54:16.725 --> 04:54:21.337
resident. I often use a scooter to get around sf as

04:54:21.346 --> 04:54:23.955
well as drive. And the one thing that I think I noticed

04:54:23.966 --> 04:54:26.627
the most is with a driver and a pedestrian and scooter

04:54:26.636 --> 04:54:29.455
rider on the streets is that there is a very, very

04:54:29.466 --> 04:54:32.966
low enforcement of ss traffic laws. People are constantly

04:54:32.975 --> 04:54:35.776
speeding. I see run stop signs red lights roll through

04:54:35.787 --> 04:54:39.317
stop signs as a driver. It infuriates me watching other

04:54:39.326 --> 04:54:41.676
drivers endangered pedestrians like this. And the one

04:54:41.685 --> 04:54:44.366
thing that as a way, Mo and cruise rider I've noticed

04:54:44.377 --> 04:54:47.797
is the cars are perfectly obeying the laws all the

04:54:47.806 --> 04:54:50.906
time. I have never seen a way mo run through a red

04:54:50.915 --> 04:54:52.946
light and almost hit a biker, almost hit knee on a

04:54:52.955 --> 04:54:55.736
scooter. I've been in one, I've seen them perfectly

04:54:55.745 --> 04:54:59.236
carefully stop and move around riders. It's, it's a

04:54:59.245 --> 04:55:02.426
thing that we need that people that are never enforced

04:55:02.435 --> 04:55:04.537
in the city and that it can be perfectly enforced with

04:55:04.547 --> 04:55:08.636
software. So I urge the CPC to expand its rod. So we

04:55:08.647 --> 04:55:10.705
get better behaved drivers all throughout the city

04:55:11.386 --> 04:55:16.567
Thank. Thank you operator. Next caller please.

04:55:16.567 --> 04:55:21.165
Our next three calls are Ronald Martin Jerry and Helen

04:55:21.656 --> 04:55:25.317
at our next caller is Ronald Martin. You may go ahead

04:55:25.326 --> 04:55:27.995
Your line is open.

04:55:27.995 --> 04:55:31.486
I'm commenting from Fresno, California and to eliminate

04:55:31.495 --> 04:55:35.037
virtual net electricity metering is to do the opposite

04:55:35.047 --> 04:55:37.435
of the mission of the public utilities commission.

04:55:38.176 --> 04:55:41.576
Your duty is to protect consumers from predatory pricing

04:55:41.787 --> 04:55:45.587
by corporations that are necessarily monopolies. If

04:55:45.596 --> 04:55:48.716
you eliminate virtual net electricity metering, you're

04:55:48.725 --> 04:55:51.975
denying depriving nearly half of the Californians who

04:55:51.986 --> 04:55:55.256
live in multi family housing from benefiting from savings

04:55:55.265 --> 04:55:59.537
that they could realize from rooftop solar panels to

04:55:59.547 --> 04:56:03.696
deny the is not only malfeasance of your mission as

04:56:03.705 --> 04:56:06.647
a commission, but it's a threat to our democracy while

04:56:06.656 --> 04:56:09.716
the US economy is directing most of its income to the

04:56:09.725 --> 04:56:14.245
top 1% of our citizens and our corporations, you are

04:56:14.256 --> 04:56:18.047
commissioned to be against rigging the economy against

04:56:18.056 --> 04:56:20.797
our least. Well off. At least they should get a break

04:56:20.806 --> 04:56:24.306
on their power bills if they participate in sustainable

04:56:24.317 --> 04:56:28.897
energy heat, virtual net energy energy metering for

04:56:28.906 --> 04:56:33.935
people in multi family.

04:56:33.935 --> 04:56:38.486
Thank you, operator. Next caller, please.

04:56:38.486 --> 04:56:43.156
Our next scholar is Jerry Ho. You may go ahead.

04:56:43.156 --> 04:56:46.587
Hi everyone, dear commissioners. Uh My name is, and

04:56:46.596 --> 04:56:50.455
I'm the executive director of car. We are a nonprofit

04:56:50.466 --> 04:56:53.107
organization connecting communities in need with the

04:56:53.116 --> 04:56:57.337
mobility empowerment. Please vote yes to permit crews

04:56:57.346 --> 04:57:01.537
and we to expand their odd um as a trained architect

04:57:01.547 --> 04:57:05.326
and urban planner, I wanted to point out that one A

04:57:05.337 --> 04:57:09.026
vs, do not discriminate. Unfortunately, humans discriminate

04:57:09.287 --> 04:57:12.087
and humans are dangerous with road rages and drunk

04:57:12.096 --> 04:57:15.537
driving. Um A vs do not discriminate against who and

04:57:15.547 --> 04:57:20.346
where the passengers are. Two A vs can replace cars

04:57:20.357 --> 04:57:24.806
Yes, more ride share A V shuttles like the cruise origin

04:57:24.817 --> 04:57:29.426
or vehicles will help us replace single occupancy cars

04:57:29.975 --> 04:57:33.656
in three most of the vote. No comments point to limitations

04:57:33.665 --> 04:57:36.736
of a right now and that I think that's exactly why

04:57:36.745 --> 04:57:39.627
you should vote. Yes to expand the services because

04:57:39.636 --> 04:57:43.256
these services need to learn and, and grow as an A

04:57:43.265 --> 04:57:47.406
I. Um And but it's only,

04:57:47.406 --> 04:57:50.877
thank you very much. Have a good day. Thank you operator

04:57:50.886 --> 04:57:57.526
Next caller, please.

04:57:57.526 --> 04:58:01.377
Our next three callers are Bonnie Jane Helen and Timothy

04:58:01.386 --> 04:58:04.326
Matthews. Bonnie Jane. You may go ahead. Your line

04:58:04.337 --> 04:58:08.745
is open. Hi. Uh Thank you to everyone. I wanted to

04:58:08.756 --> 04:58:11.915
speak up today to announce my support for and Cruz

04:58:11.926 --> 04:58:15.236
as they expand accessibility to A vs in San Francisco

04:58:15.857 --> 04:58:18.047
I think it's very disheartening to hear the voices

04:58:18.056 --> 04:58:22.366
of people today who hate technology companies so much

04:58:22.377 --> 04:58:25.236
that they are willing to turn off their empathy and

04:58:25.245 --> 04:58:27.787
that they're willing to turn off their consideration

04:58:27.797 --> 04:58:31.346
for the needs of our blind people in our community

04:58:31.357 --> 04:58:33.995
for elderly people, in our community, for people with

04:58:34.006 --> 04:58:36.587
mental and physical disabilities in our community who

04:58:36.596 --> 04:58:39.886
need autonomous vehicles to be able to function properly

04:58:39.897 --> 04:58:42.475
in their daily lives. And to think that some people's

04:58:42.486 --> 04:58:45.826
hatred for technology companies blinds them to the

04:58:45.837 --> 04:58:48.975
empathy that they should have as members of our community

04:58:49.067 --> 04:58:52.817
to all of those who benefit from the ways that autonomous

04:58:52.826 --> 04:58:55.935
vehicles allows us to live our lives fully is very

04:58:55.946 --> 04:58:58.205
disheartening to me. I hope these people will be able

04:58:58.216 --> 04:59:02.236
to turn off their blind hatred and instead see some

04:59:02.245 --> 04:59:04.857
empathy for once to the people in our community who

04:59:04.866 --> 04:59:08.736
will benefit from A BS. Thank you. Thank you. Operate

04:59:08.745 --> 04:59:13.116
Our next caller, please.

04:59:13.116 --> 04:59:17.576
Our next caller is Helen Atta. You may go ahead

04:59:17.576 --> 04:59:21.107
president and all commissioners. Thank you for taking

04:59:21.116 --> 04:59:23.547
my call on me. It's been a long day. I just hope

04:59:23.556 --> 04:59:28.797
you're still listening with your heart. Uh I'm a co-founder

04:59:28.806 --> 04:59:33.765
of Alliance and a member of Safe Ranch. I live in,

04:59:33.776 --> 04:59:37.846
uh, I have been affected by the gas storage, initial

04:59:37.857 --> 04:59:42.236
gas storage. I want you to vote. No on the expansion

04:59:42.245 --> 04:59:44.265
of the facility.

04:59:45.434 --> 04:59:48.484
Capacity. We are still suffering, believe it or not

04:59:48.495 --> 04:59:50.854
After all these years, we are still suffering. I woke

04:59:50.864 --> 04:59:54.413
up just this week gathering for the same air that's

04:59:54.424 --> 04:59:59.163
making me sick. My husband just had a biopsy. I have

04:59:59.174 --> 05:00:02.194
to go every year for a colonoscopy for precancerous

05:00:02.205 --> 05:00:05.865
situation. I have, my daughter is suffering night sweats

05:00:05.874 --> 05:00:09.545
stomach issues and it's been mentally very difficult

05:00:09.554 --> 05:00:12.984
for us. Last for the last eight years and even longer

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Please shut this facility down. Uh They are late for

05:00:18.194 --> 05:00:23.154
2017 but hopefully soon

05:00:23.154 --> 05:00:26.113
the president that you met a few years ago. I don't

05:00:26.124 --> 05:00:28.584
know if you remember or not. The Sacramento before

05:00:28.594 --> 05:00:31.133
you became president of CPC. At governor's office.

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I showed you a girl's picture was suffering. We lost

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she lost her battle because her weak body could not

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take this poison that the gas company was putting in

05:00:43.613 --> 05:00:49.073
her body. She was only 28 years old and just look at

05:00:49.084 --> 05:00:52.683
the human side of this another financial game for gas

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Please do what I know, you know in your heart. That's

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the right thing to do. Please do the right thing. Thank

05:00:58.885 --> 05:01:02.165
you very much for your time. Thank you operator. Next

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caller, please.

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Our next caller is Timothy Matthews. You may go ahead

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Your line is open.

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Hi. My name is Timothy Matthews. I'm the research director

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for Teamsters local 856 and a San Francisco resident

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I wanted to take the opportunity to thank my fellow

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labor siblings for all of their opposition to the expansion

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of autonomous vehicles. Unfortunately, there are two

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local unions who are, who are on the wrong side of

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this issue and they also just so happen to have the

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same lobbyist that's on the cruise payroll. This whole

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thing looks to be another instance of big money buying

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policy, politics, and friends. It's disappointing since

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I was unable to attend in person. I wanted to say a

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quick hello to all the way employees in the back of

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the hearing room, the ones wearing the yellow shirts

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I hope that you've enjoyed your field trip today. Um

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Please vote no on the autonomous vehicle issue. Oh

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and if you used to be the lawyer for Cruz, perhaps

05:02:05.904 --> 05:02:08.454
you should recuse yourself from this issue. Thank you

05:02:08.464 --> 05:02:10.815
for your time. Vote. No, on the autonomous vehicle

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issue. Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

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And at this time, we currently have 14 in Q. Our next

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three calls are Alice Sung, Sarah Ruth and Re Shackley

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Alice Sung. You may go ahead. Your line is open.

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Thank you. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you

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Thank you. Commissioners. I'm here to express opposition

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to the current discriminatory proposed nem three VVNEM

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decision um for these reasons. Number one, it discriminates

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against our 3 million students. Um Title one students

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over 6 million students who do not currently have solar

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schools, unlike their wealthier counterparts who may

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already benefit disproportionately. Second, as our

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federal state and energy and climate goals and rules

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require more energy efficiency, decarbonisation and

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solar. This will further burden especially the title

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one public schools and increase disparities, working

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against equity in resilient communities.

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And lastly, I would like to say that I would like you

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to please please consider modifying the decision to

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include on site netting at least for our public school

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districts, our Children and our grandchildren will

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Thank you.

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Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

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Our next caller is Sarah Ruth. Let me go ahead. Thank

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you. Um I'd like to second the remarks of the previous

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caller. They were spot on. I'm calling in with opposition

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to the commission's ma proposal. My name is Sarah Roose

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I'm a parent living in West L A. And though through

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my interest in children's issues, I've assumed the

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chair of the Children's Caucus of the California Democratic

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Party. In my own personal opinion, it's critical that

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we adopt and expand our use of alternative energies

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This proposal introduces perverse incentives to that

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goal in the form of penalizing or making economically

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infeasible the participation of properties that are

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not single households that means schools, it means

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apartment buildings, it means large institutions. They

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are all financially harmed by this proposition. Instead

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of being allowed to lead the way forward by adopting

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clean or safer alternative energies. This is not a

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beneficial proposal for any of us. Please amend the

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proposal to include on site netting. Thank you. Thank

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you operator. Next caller, please.

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Our next caller is re Shackley. You may go ahead. Your

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line is open.

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Hi, my name is Garren Check. I am a resident of San

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Francisco and biking is my primary mode of transit

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as a biker, I feel much safer around autonomous vehicles

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Just yesterday. A human driver almost killed me. This

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is a regular occurrence. I ride near autonomous vehicles

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all the time and yet they've never threaten me. In

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fact, since we're talking about who to who to allow

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on the road, I urge you to vote to ban human drivers

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on the road. Human drivers drive drunk and drowsy.

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They threaten me as a cyclist. They drive aggressively

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when they're late or even hungry. Human drivers are

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weirdly attached to incredibly polluting internal combustion

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engines, counterintuitively safer cars, autonomous

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vehicles will help get people out of cars and bike

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more just like I feel safer around babies and taxed

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appropriately to help fund transit. I urge you to vote

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to accept autonomous vehicles and sure, let's ban human

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drivers.

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Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

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Thank you. Before we go to the next caller again, if

05:05:55.224 --> 05:05:57.685
you would like to make a comment, please unmute your

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phone. Press star one and record your first and last

05:06:01.094 --> 05:06:04.384
name slowly and clearly when prompted. So I may introduce

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you. We currently have 11 in Q. Our next three callers

05:06:08.344 --> 05:06:15.063
are Henry Swanson Lei is, and Brian Donohoe

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Rewson, you may go ahead. Your line is open. Uh Hi

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Can you hear me?

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Yes, we can hear you. Uh Hi. So, um uh thanks for

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taking my call. Um I'm calling to express my support

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for expanding we's operation. Uh I have a close friend

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with the sea disorder and we allows her to get around

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independently. Um, she can't take ride shares but like

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a lot, like from a lot of the stories we've heard,

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um, she'll often encounter some unsavory behavior from

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uh some drivers. Uh public transit gets here part of

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the way there sometimes, but the last mile problem

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is still difficult and I know we've all seen the news

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articles. Uh I mean, I've read them too but when I

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look at the streets with my own eyes, I see much, much

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better behavior from way most other rabies and from

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human drivers. Um I know that's just anecdotes. But

05:07:07.365 --> 05:07:08.873
what we see in the news, there are also anecdotes.

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I think the responsible thing for the commission to

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do is look at the aggregate safety data which only

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you can demand um, and decide whether uh we safety

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record exceeds that of human drivers. I think that's

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the bar that needs to be cleared. I think that's the

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bar that they do clear and I would like to see them

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continue to operate. Think so. Yes.

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Thank you, operator. Next caller, please.

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Our next caller is Leilani. Is, you may go ahead. Your

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line is open. Hi. Um, I am a San Francisco native and

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I've actually been using crews throughout, um, the

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Richmond district. Um, and parts of the city I usually

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use it at night. Um, after 10, which is when I get

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off of work and I prefer using crew. Um, sometimes

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I've written with Uber taxi drivers and the experience

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has been unpleasant. And so to me, it was upon Uber

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and the taxi drivers to get their act in order to provide

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customer service to us. And when that failed, some

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of us turned to cruise which became available. I feel

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that I deserve to have a safe ride home. One that is

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free from bigotry, free from discrimination free from

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misogyny. And that's what Cruz is offering. Um, at

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night, there's less cars on the streets in the Richmond

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district. What I do see is a lot of cars that don't

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stop at the stoplight that lurch into the um, cross

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have gone around crew that have literally draw, driven

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around cruise because it doesn't want to follow the

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rules. And I want to say I understand that cruise is

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not perfect and is not perfect. But we need to understand

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that drivers themselves, um they've killed a lot of

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people in this city and they refused to follow the

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rules of the road. And so I'm sorry, Uber and taxi

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have brought themselves here. Um and that would have

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helped with better customer service and respect that

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their customers just as you want. Respect. And you

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know, I said before in my written comments, I am ok

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with giving some type of wage and training so that

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they can be retrained. But when humans start to treat

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humans better, maybe we can work together. But until

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then I want to use a driverless car because then there

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is no argument. Then there's just a nice calm ride

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home. Thank you. Thank you operator. Next caller, please

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Our next caller is Brian Donohoe. You may go ahead

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Your line is open. Hello, my name is Brian Donohoe

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I'm a civil engineer and San Francisco residents. I

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oppose the expansion of a VY service in San Francisco

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We've heard time and time again, even from the people

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that are pro the expansion of av service that these

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vehicles are glitchy. They're bad, they mess up, they

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make mistakes during the meeting earlier this week

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Cruz was directly asked how many vehicles had unexpected

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stops. Cruz said they had 100 and 77 Vres this year

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but Vres are vehicle retrieval events when they have

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to bring the vehicle back to the garage. They completely

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sidestepped the question, which was the number of unexpected

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stops. This attitude will persist at every step of

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the way when working with billion dollar corporations

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that do not have the best interests of this city at

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heart. And last month alone

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operator, should we go to the next color? Yes, he's

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dropped. And we have 13 in queue at this time. Our

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next three colors are Regina, Mike and Dylan Sabre

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Regina. You may go ahead.

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Hi. Hello, President Reynolds and members of the calculated

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public commission. My name is Regina. I'm the vice

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president of Berkeley Federation of Teachers and a

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school board member with Emory Unified School District

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and a first grade teacher. I'm here to urge members

05:11:27.943 --> 05:11:32.205
of this committee to add on site into the N MA successor

05:11:32.215 --> 05:11:35.063
tariff decision. So our public schools can consume

05:11:35.073 --> 05:11:38.984
generate energy in real time or store it on site. Increase

05:11:38.994 --> 05:11:41.664
in energy expenditures directly reduces funding for

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educational services and hurts already overburdened

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school districts. Last night, our Emory school board

05:11:47.794 --> 05:11:50.465
passed a resolution supporting net energy metering

05:11:50.475 --> 05:11:53.274
for schools and our district just begun installing

05:11:53.284 --> 05:11:56.073
our solar panels but without on site netting, there's

05:11:56.085 --> 05:11:59.654
a real change that they won't pencil. Please remedy

05:12:03.965 --> 05:12:08.313
cost of solar on a rooftop. Thank you. Thank you operator

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Next caller, please.

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Our next caller is Mike. You may go ahead. Oh, hi.

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My name is Mike debating. I'll try to make this brief

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police fire and first responders. Generally all urge

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a no vote due to what we've seen the demonstrated impedances

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Some people will die waiting for a blocked fire truck

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or ambulance. It's going to happen and people are going

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to remember this meeting and the outcome of this vote

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as far as the, if not here, they'll do it somewhere

05:12:39.585 --> 05:12:42.784
else. Argument. So what let cruz and Waymo put lives

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at risk elsewhere, not here in my hometown and transparency

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I feel is important. Uh I think it's, it's worth putting

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on the record officially. I haven't heard already that

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uh Commissioner John Reynolds has made a lot of money

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working for Cruz and I think it's important that he

05:12:58.874 --> 05:13:01.144
recuses himself. I mean, otherwise, I mean, I want

05:13:01.154 --> 05:13:03.955
to know that. Yes, money buy a lot of fucking cheese

05:13:03.965 --> 05:13:07.404
won't it? You goddamn rat. That's the truth. Recuse

05:13:07.414 --> 05:13:11.114
yourself. Have some self respect, respect, the respect

05:13:11.124 --> 05:13:15.524
democracy. Simple as that. Thank you. Next caller,

05:13:15.534 --> 05:13:46.813
please.

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Our next caller is Dylan Sabras. You may go ahead.

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Your line is open.

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Thank you, commissioners. My name is Dylan Fabris and

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I'm the community policy manager at San Francisco Transit

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Writers, which the member supported nonprofit advocacy

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organization sf pr opposes the applications to expand

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Robotaxis in San Francisco A vs, may play a role in

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the future of our transit network, but we and many

05:14:10.524 --> 05:14:12.544
of our members are concerned about the way it is set

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to be rolled out. You heard earlier this week that

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even with the relatively small yet unknown number of

05:14:17.933 --> 05:14:20.794
A vs on the road. Right now, the SFMT A has documented

05:14:20.803 --> 05:14:23.254
hundreds of incidents involving them, many of which

05:14:23.265 --> 05:14:26.254
have created dangerous situations and obstructed transit

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vehicles. Companies are not currently required to report

05:14:30.073 --> 05:14:33.114
many of the unsafe situations they cause unexpected

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stops, create a safety issue for all road users including

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AV passengers by forcing cars and transit vehicles

05:14:38.254 --> 05:14:41.664
into oncoming traffic or bike lanes. We're also concerned

05:14:41.673 --> 05:14:44.524
that our unregulated expansion will add more cars and

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congestion to our streets just as Uber did after the

05:14:47.345 --> 05:14:50.914
CPC granted them similar permits years ago. Among promises

05:14:50.923 --> 05:14:53.994
that they would reduce car usage wide AV expansion

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goes against our state's transit and climate goals

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San Francisco transit riders urges you to vote no,

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on the application before you today. Thank you. Thank

05:15:03.193 --> 05:15:08.504
you operator. Next caller, please.

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We currently have 11 in Q. Our next callers are Jackson

05:15:12.553 --> 05:15:18.144
Wong, Steve Torres and Brian Kilton Jackson Wong. You

05:15:18.193 --> 05:15:21.823
can go ahead. Your line is open. Hi, can you hear me

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Yes, we can. Ok. So give me one second. I know and

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I'm gonna pull that.

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Ok. Hello. Uh My name is Jackson Wong and I'm an engineer

05:15:36.205 --> 05:15:38.573
who lived and worked in San Francisco. I oppose the

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expansion of autonomous vehicles in the city

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algorithm as a single driver as there have been over

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600 reported incidents of behaving erratically and

05:15:48.404 --> 05:15:51.475
dangerously in if any single driver was the cause of

05:15:51.484 --> 05:15:54.034
600 safety incidents, their license would be revoked

05:15:54.044 --> 05:15:56.774
dozens of times over. There's no mechanism to hold

05:15:56.784 --> 05:15:58.914
these companies accountable when their cars cause moving

05:15:58.923 --> 05:16:01.384
violations on our roads. They must prove their safety

05:16:01.394 --> 05:16:03.794
before they can be allowed to exponentially expand

05:16:03.803 --> 05:16:05.725
their potential for errors. Putting more of us at risk

05:16:06.274 --> 05:16:08.173
Furthermore, it is clear that the community of San

05:16:08.183 --> 05:16:10.404
Francisco rejects the presence of these unaccountable

05:16:10.414 --> 05:16:12.794
surveillance drones on the streets based on the phenomenon

05:16:12.803 --> 05:16:15.813
of disabling these vehicles with cones before any expansion

05:16:15.823 --> 05:16:17.835
can be made. The community must be engaged to address

05:16:17.884 --> 05:16:20.374
our valid concerns over mass surveillance, undercutting

05:16:20.384 --> 05:16:22.433
labor and public transit, the environmental dangers

05:16:22.443 --> 05:16:25.183
of electric, single occupancy vehicles, accessibility

05:16:25.193 --> 05:16:29.323
and safety. Thank you. Thank you operator. Next caller

05:16:29.335 --> 05:16:31.904
please.

05:16:31.904 --> 05:16:34.515
Our next colorist Steven Torres. You may go ahead.

05:16:35.725 --> 05:16:38.134
Thank you. Good afternoon commissioners. My name is

05:16:38.144 --> 05:16:40.644
Steven Torres and I'm a San Francisco Entertainment

05:16:40.654 --> 05:16:43.673
Commissioner and serve in the Cultural District program

05:16:43.784 --> 05:16:47.073
Although I'm speaking on my own behalf, I am well aware

05:16:47.085 --> 05:16:49.544
of the barriers to accessibility and equity that face

05:16:49.554 --> 05:16:52.685
residents and workers in the city. Unfortunately, the

05:16:52.695 --> 05:16:55.744
privatization of transportation will not improve these

05:16:55.754 --> 05:16:58.214
conditions and none of the current Navy companies have

05:16:58.224 --> 05:17:01.784
met the threshold of good faith or transparency. Furthermore

05:17:02.064 --> 05:17:04.405
like the concerns shared around the Decommissioning

05:17:04.415 --> 05:17:07.004
of landlines, these companies have also not demonstrated

05:17:07.015 --> 05:17:10.224
an ability to make contingencies for emergencies or

05:17:10.234 --> 05:17:14.314
for first responders. The current situation in Hawaii

05:17:14.324 --> 05:17:17.603
draws how quickly draws into focus, how quickly emergencies

05:17:17.613 --> 05:17:20.314
can arise and how accessibility and communication by

05:17:20.324 --> 05:17:23.645
both first responders and residents is essential to

05:17:23.655 --> 05:17:27.474
saving lives, innovation and proper regulation, process

05:17:27.484 --> 05:17:30.464
and oversight. Do not need to be mutually exclusive

05:17:30.474 --> 05:17:34.165
Thank you. Thank you, operator. Next caller, please

05:17:38.333 --> 05:17:41.304
Our next caller is Brian Kilton. You may go ahead.

05:17:42.843 --> 05:17:46.873
Hi. Can you hear me now? Yes, we can. All right. Thank

05:17:46.883 --> 05:17:49.623
you commissioners. I'm calling today to oppose the

05:17:49.633 --> 05:17:53.415
expansion of Mo and Cruz. A couple days ago, this commission

05:17:53.425 --> 05:17:57.554
heard about significant safety gaps with A VS. And

05:17:57.564 --> 05:18:00.695
during this meeting alone, there were four A V safety

05:18:00.704 --> 05:18:05.165
incidents that I know of on the visits on coal on Fillmore

05:18:05.175 --> 05:18:09.794
And on 18th, we heard from, at that meeting, we heard

05:18:09.804 --> 05:18:13.254
from the SF fire department that A vs dangerously interfere

05:18:13.265 --> 05:18:16.113
with emergency responses. Like happened earlier today

05:18:16.123 --> 05:18:20.155
on 18th and this happens almost every day. We heard

05:18:20.165 --> 05:18:23.074
that the SF police department is not allowed by law

05:18:23.083 --> 05:18:25.765
to ticket A vs for the dangerous moving violations

05:18:25.774 --> 05:18:29.794
They commit a driver, human or robot that cannot immediately

05:18:29.804 --> 05:18:33.363
respond to direction of first responders, puts passengers

05:18:33.373 --> 05:18:37.123
at risk in emergency situations and a driver, human

05:18:37.133 --> 05:18:40.494
or robot that consistently breaks traffic laws should

05:18:40.504 --> 05:18:44.214
be ticketed and have their license suspended. A companies

05:18:44.224 --> 05:18:47.714
should return for approval after they have finished

05:18:48.765 --> 05:18:52.314
respond immediately to hand signals and verbal direction

05:18:52.324 --> 05:18:57.984
from first responders as SFFD has requested. And California

05:18:57.994 --> 05:19:01.175
has fixed the regulatory gap to allow ticketing A VS

05:19:01.185 --> 05:19:04.113
for their consistent breaking of our traffic laws.

05:19:04.754 --> 05:19:07.445
Uh Thank you and I encourage you to vote. No, thank

05:19:07.454 --> 05:19:12.324
you operator N call, please. And our next three calls

05:19:12.333 --> 05:19:16.765
are a poor of Naro Kent Bullard and Margo Woolsey.

05:19:17.405 --> 05:19:23.175
A poor of you may go ahead. Your line is open.

05:19:23.175 --> 05:19:27.504
Hi, I'm a, I'm a resident of San Francisco. I'm a driver

05:19:27.515 --> 05:19:31.093
and I'm a biker and I urge the C PC to allow

05:19:31.103 --> 05:19:35.435
a companies to move ahead. Um cities and states around

05:19:35.445 --> 05:19:38.133
the world would be begging to be the capital of innovation

05:19:38.145 --> 05:19:40.784
and have the future built in those cities. But for

05:19:40.794 --> 05:19:43.464
some reason, people in the state have a habit of saying

05:19:43.474 --> 05:19:46.754
no to every single positive change for the next generation

05:19:47.015 --> 05:19:50.214
and just thinking about themselves, I've used these

05:19:50.224 --> 05:19:52.794
cruise cars and they're safer than like any cars I've

05:19:52.804 --> 05:19:56.254
driven in humans are killing 2 to 3 people every month

05:19:56.265 --> 05:19:59.363
on the roads of San Francisco. These cars are safer

05:19:59.373 --> 05:20:02.633
than any driver, including me as a driver. They will

05:20:02.645 --> 05:20:04.974
unlock a world of opportunity for disabled and old

05:20:04.984 --> 05:20:08.103
folk. They will change our lives for the better. And

05:20:08.113 --> 05:20:10.974
yes, there are genuine concerns on traffic and jobs

05:20:10.984 --> 05:20:13.603
and we should solve them over time, but we shouldn't

05:20:13.613 --> 05:20:17.093
slow down innovation for no good reason for now. Please

05:20:17.103 --> 05:20:19.314
let these companies expand and show us the future.

05:20:19.324 --> 05:20:21.464
We should be celebrating them in San Francisco and

05:20:21.474 --> 05:20:24.074
we should be very lucky to have them here in California

05:20:24.214 --> 05:20:27.593
Thank you. Thank you. Operate our next caller, please

05:20:30.564 --> 05:20:34.603
Our next color is Kent Bullard. You may go ahead. This

05:20:34.613 --> 05:20:37.274
is Kent Bullard. I live in Ventura California. I'm

05:20:37.284 --> 05:20:40.744
an advocate for sustainability including solar energy

05:20:40.964 --> 05:20:44.984
I wish to have President Reynolds and the fellow commissioners

05:20:44.994 --> 05:20:50.224
modify the proposal to continue allowing net metering

05:20:50.234 --> 05:20:55.574
on multifamily units. Do not tax solar with the new

05:20:55.685 --> 05:20:59.675
metering proposals allowing you in front of the meter

05:20:59.685 --> 05:21:03.343
um billing we have to move forward with solar, continue

05:21:03.353 --> 05:21:06.964
clean energy adoption in the state. It's totally critical

05:21:06.984 --> 05:21:10.853
Think about Maui, think about climate change. Keep

05:21:10.863 --> 05:21:14.484
people in the loop with their personal decisions to

05:21:14.685 --> 05:21:17.843
install and utilize solar energy. Thank you. Thank

05:21:17.853 --> 05:21:22.685
you. Operate our next caller, please.

05:21:22.685 --> 05:21:26.054
Our next caller is Margo Wool.

05:21:26.054 --> 05:21:31.054
You may go ahead. Your line is open. Hi, I'm Michael

05:21:32.445 --> 05:21:42.405
I don't drive. So having the opportunity to the

05:21:42.405 --> 05:21:49.613
is really important to me. One thing I love is, is

05:21:49.623 --> 05:21:57.445
this controversy is not pretty well.

05:21:57.445 --> 05:21:59.405
And

05:21:59.405 --> 05:22:04.665
where

05:22:04.665 --> 05:22:07.685
of this?

05:22:07.685 --> 05:22:12.623
I bought this rainbow. I

05:22:12.623 --> 05:22:16.274
will grow.

05:22:16.274 --> 05:22:19.824
Oh no, this is

05:22:19.824 --> 05:22:25.883
and they will grow very fast. Yeah. Well, I I just

05:22:25.895 --> 05:22:32.915
I don't like to shoot this. I believe they will or

05:22:32.925 --> 05:22:36.534
can they be young?

05:22:36.534 --> 05:22:40.024
Find your company?

05:22:40.024 --> 05:22:47.633
Hey guys. Great dad. How

05:22:47.633 --> 05:22:55.685
on this show, California? We just most of the two years

05:22:57.274 --> 05:23:06.034
to falling behind of the. Thank you. Thank you operator

05:23:06.044 --> 05:23:10.395
Next caller, please.

05:23:10.395 --> 05:23:14.034
Our next caller is Laria Burnell.

05:23:14.034 --> 05:23:17.494
You may go ahead and your line is open. Thank you dear

05:23:17.504 --> 05:23:19.883
President and commissioners. I'm a resident in the

05:23:19.895 --> 05:23:22.484
city of SF and I want to encourage the commission to

05:23:22.494 --> 05:23:25.395
approve cruz's request because their service is safe

05:23:25.405 --> 05:23:28.784
and reliable. My experience with cruises A B has been

05:23:28.794 --> 05:23:31.244
satisfactory and exceptional since I began using the

05:23:31.254 --> 05:23:35.044
service in December 2022. Their A B has improved my

05:23:35.054 --> 05:23:37.484
transportation options and safely transported me from

05:23:37.494 --> 05:23:41.435
point A to point B Alive. Well, and out of harm's way

05:23:41.445 --> 05:23:45.145
of any unwanted advances or harassment. I accept that

05:23:45.155 --> 05:23:47.734
the vehicle does not drive too fast for the road or

05:23:47.744 --> 05:23:50.435
weather conditions, but it requires me to wear my seatbelt

05:23:50.445 --> 05:23:53.445
at all times that it succeeds to obey road signs and

05:23:53.454 --> 05:23:56.363
signals or yield the right of way that it does not

05:23:56.373 --> 05:23:59.133
ride recklessly or aggressively and that it reacts

05:23:59.145 --> 05:24:03.224
safely to unexpected hazards such as pedestrians, animals

05:24:03.935 --> 05:24:07.324
slow moving or halted vehicles on the road in all 80

05:24:07.333 --> 05:24:09.925
plus rides. I've taken with Cruz, I've experienced

05:24:09.935 --> 05:24:13.724
consistently the same level of safe, low risk driving

05:24:13.824 --> 05:24:16.113
I trust cruises, driverless service and recommend the

05:24:16.123 --> 05:24:19.405
commission to approve the request. Thank you. Thank

05:24:19.415 --> 05:24:24.853
you operator. Next caller, please.

05:24:24.853 --> 05:24:27.254
And we currently have six callers in queue. But again

05:24:27.265 --> 05:24:29.425
as a reminder, if you would like to make a comment

05:24:29.435 --> 05:24:33.333
please press star one unmute your phone and record

05:24:33.343 --> 05:24:36.794
your first and last name slowly and clearly our next

05:24:36.804 --> 05:24:41.883
callers are Louis Luis Amaral, Steve Rhodes and Joshua

05:24:41.895 --> 05:24:46.744
Babcock Luis, you may go ahead. Your line is open.

05:24:48.373 --> 05:24:51.945
Hi. Um I'm Louisa Mal and I live in North Beach. Uh

05:24:51.954 --> 05:24:56.165
I support the cruise expansion. I believe that voting

05:24:56.175 --> 05:25:00.195
no to the and cruise expansion might be a big hit,

05:25:00.204 --> 05:25:03.524
not only for the bay area but also to in general to

05:25:03.534 --> 05:25:07.484
the A V industry all over the country. A are probably

05:25:07.494 --> 05:25:10.784
one of our best options today to deal with drunk driving

05:25:10.794 --> 05:25:14.185
road range and drivers working around the clock, but

05:25:14.195 --> 05:25:18.324
also to indirectly stop crime. This expansion may be

05:25:18.333 --> 05:25:21.155
may not be the perfect solution, but it's part of the

05:25:21.165 --> 05:25:24.064
transportation industry development and we can't be

05:25:24.074 --> 05:25:29.123
stuck forever on regulation while perpetuating vehicle

05:25:29.133 --> 05:25:33.214
related deaths and life threatening accident. Um, in

05:25:33.224 --> 05:25:35.665
a way, I do not understand that humans by default,

05:25:35.675 --> 05:25:38.593
we prefer accidents provoked by other humans rather

05:25:38.603 --> 05:25:41.994
than by a machine. Um And I guess we got so used

05:25:42.004 --> 05:25:44.804
to human provocate accidents that we've accepted them

05:25:45.224 --> 05:25:50.994
Uh We are very fast in tracking E va V accidents, but

05:25:51.004 --> 05:25:53.843
nobody talks about

05:25:53.843 --> 05:25:57.515
more than 100 people die in related car accidents every

05:25:57.524 --> 05:26:02.034
day in the U si urge the commission to vote yes to

05:26:02.044 --> 05:26:05.395
the expansion. Thank you. Thank you operator. Next

05:26:05.405 --> 05:26:09.244
caller, please.

05:26:09.244 --> 05:26:12.024
My next call is Steve. You may go ahead. Your line

05:26:12.034 --> 05:26:17.234
is open. Hi, I live in Bernal Heights where and cruz

05:26:17.244 --> 05:26:20.833
cars use the narrow streets. There are testing ground

05:26:20.843 --> 05:26:24.984
for a long time. Um First of all, they don't always

05:26:24.994 --> 05:26:27.574
follow traffic laws. It is against the traffic law

05:26:27.583 --> 05:26:30.494
to not pull aside when there is emerged vehicle and

05:26:30.504 --> 05:26:34.103
to not follow the orders of a police officer or firefighter

05:26:34.474 --> 05:26:40.833
Um I've an unexpected stop is also not following traffic

05:26:40.843 --> 05:26:45.155
laws. I saw an unexpected stop in April on Geary street

05:26:45.165 --> 05:26:48.765
near Van. He just before seven pm with heavy traffic

05:26:48.774 --> 05:26:51.853
it stopped in the middle of the street. Buses, cars

05:26:51.863 --> 05:26:55.718
had to pass on either side as it, he was stuck there

05:26:55.728 --> 05:26:59.458
It was named Grits, which is cute but something scary

05:26:59.468 --> 05:27:03.040
could happen during an unexpected stop. I don't hate

05:27:03.050 --> 05:27:06.890
technology. I just think technology should be regulated

05:27:06.939 --> 05:27:12.199
and you have the power to do that. You can't ban humans

05:27:12.208 --> 05:27:18.804
from driving though. Certainly most humans will

05:27:18.804 --> 05:27:24.083
yield, will yield to an emergency vehicle. I hope you

05:27:24.093 --> 05:27:26.343
will both know at the very least you should cap the

05:27:26.353 --> 05:27:30.274
number of these vehicles and also require far more

05:27:30.284 --> 05:27:33.165
data to be reported to the city of San Francisco so

05:27:33.175 --> 05:27:36.044
they can monitor what is happening. Thank you. Thank

05:27:36.054 --> 05:27:41.274
you, operator. Next caller, please.

05:27:41.274 --> 05:27:43.984
Our next caller is Joshua Babcock. You may go ahead

05:27:43.994 --> 05:27:47.534
Your line is open. Hello, my name is Joshua Babcock

05:27:47.544 --> 05:27:49.905
I am a resident of San Francisco and I work for an

05:27:49.915 --> 05:27:52.895
energy engineering firm devoted to solving issues related

05:27:52.905 --> 05:27:56.343
to climate change, including transportation electrification

05:27:56.353 --> 05:28:00.133
And unfortunately, these firms like Cruz and are making

05:28:00.145 --> 05:28:02.464
a lot of claims that aren't backed up by any data.

05:28:03.304 --> 05:28:05.304
And I urge the commission to oppose the expansion of

05:28:05.314 --> 05:28:07.695
the Navy operation in the city due to the numerous

05:28:07.704 --> 05:28:10.665
safety concerns side of the date. I've personally witnessed

05:28:10.675 --> 05:28:13.435
these cars seriously interfering and interfering and

05:28:13.445 --> 05:28:16.734
impeding traffic numerous times including emergency

05:28:16.744 --> 05:28:18.984
vehicles. Recently in my neighborhood, one of these

05:28:18.994 --> 05:28:21.214
cars blocked a lane while emergency vehicles were trying

05:28:21.224 --> 05:28:23.935
to get to the scene of a shooting with multiple victims

05:28:23.945 --> 05:28:26.494
This technology is currently deployed with a menace

05:28:26.504 --> 05:28:29.655
to the public safety and benefits private corporations

05:28:29.695 --> 05:28:32.224
at the expense of the public good through the avoidance

05:28:32.234 --> 05:28:35.373
of an appropriate regulatory framework. San Francisco's

05:28:35.383 --> 05:28:37.853
unique geography and density specifically requires

05:28:37.863 --> 05:28:41.395
less cars and more public transit, biking and pedestrian

05:28:41.405 --> 05:28:43.915
infrastructure. I believe it's absolutely urgent that

05:28:43.925 --> 05:28:46.853
the CPC Act and respect the interests of the residents

05:28:46.863 --> 05:28:49.754
and the city government to block

05:28:49.754 --> 05:28:53.244
vehicles in San Francisco. Thank you. Thank you operator

05:28:53.254 --> 05:28:56.544
Next caller, please.

05:28:56.544 --> 05:28:59.103
We currently have seven callers in queue. Our next

05:28:59.113 --> 05:29:04.593
three callers are Erica. Oh, Andre and Melissa Garcia

05:29:06.175 --> 05:29:10.353
Erica. Oh, you may go ahead. Your line is open. Hi

05:29:10.363 --> 05:29:16.784
Um, my name is Erica and I'm a resident of

05:29:16.784 --> 05:29:20.425
and we cruise operations allowing hundreds of more

05:29:20.435 --> 05:29:22.984
cars on the road is only going to drive up emissions

05:29:22.994 --> 05:29:25.925
and do more harm to our environment, allowing way more

05:29:25.935 --> 05:29:28.363
and crews to expand with an unlimited number of vehicles

05:29:28.373 --> 05:29:31.314
will only increase our city's reliance on cars and

05:29:31.324 --> 05:29:34.145
decrease public transit use if we want to meet our

05:29:34.155 --> 05:29:37.494
city's climate goals. We need to vote. No. And all

05:29:37.504 --> 05:29:39.935
these comments about unsafe human drivers are missing

05:29:39.945 --> 05:29:42.274
the point. We should be decreasing the total number

05:29:42.284 --> 05:29:45.454
of cars autonomous or not. If we truly want to fight

05:29:45.464 --> 05:29:48.474
for our differently abled community, our elderly community

05:29:48.484 --> 05:29:51.494
low income community and everyone else who needs better

05:29:51.504 --> 05:29:54.454
transit options. More vehicles are not the answer.

05:29:54.564 --> 05:29:57.175
We should instead be focusing on cheap, accessible

05:29:57.185 --> 05:29:59.655
and safe public transit for all and investing in the

05:29:59.665 --> 05:30:02.704
jobs of our bus drivers and street car operators. Thank

05:30:02.714 --> 05:30:06.425
you and I encourage you to vote. No, thank you, operator

05:30:06.435 --> 05:30:09.704
Next call, please.

05:30:09.704 --> 05:30:12.804
Our next caller is Andre. You may go ahead. Your line

05:30:12.814 --> 05:30:14.925
is open.

05:30:14.925 --> 05:30:17.954
High commissioners. I'm wonder accurate. I live in

05:30:18.504 --> 05:30:22.425
Hills, San Francisco and I'm asking you to approve

05:30:22.435 --> 05:30:27.454
and support and Cruz expanded autonomous vehicle service

05:30:28.165 --> 05:30:32.083
I've taken many rides in self driving cars in San Francisco

05:30:32.484 --> 05:30:35.734
and I feel the service is ready for expansion. Now

05:30:35.744 --> 05:30:41.244
more importantly, I ask you to consider long term impacts

05:30:41.254 --> 05:30:46.704
of your decisions. Future generations of San Franciscans

05:30:46.714 --> 05:30:50.435
Californians, people around the country and the world

05:30:50.445 --> 05:30:54.515
They need us to invest in their safety as well. And

05:30:54.524 --> 05:31:00.685
we need to be able to test these things outside where

05:31:00.695 --> 05:31:04.123
there are people where there are traffic and other

05:31:04.133 --> 05:31:09.145
instances these cars have to navigate. We need to make

05:31:09.155 --> 05:31:12.734
a decision that thinks a little bit longer term than

05:31:12.744 --> 05:31:16.314
next year and the year after generations from now will

05:31:16.324 --> 05:31:19.324
benefit from us

05:31:19.324 --> 05:31:24.044
things. Thank you for investing and for doing the right

05:31:24.054 --> 05:31:27.883
thing for future generations. Thank you. Operate our

05:31:27.895 --> 05:31:30.623
next call, please.

05:31:30.623 --> 05:31:33.524
Our next caller is Melissa Garcia. You may go ahead

05:31:33.534 --> 05:31:36.445
and your line is open.

05:31:36.445 --> 05:31:41.265
I'm Melissa Garcia. I live in the de Viro and page

05:31:41.274 --> 05:31:44.685
area of San Francisco. The lower today. I shot a viral

05:31:44.695 --> 05:31:48.445
video of a car blocking all of the visits, traffic

05:31:48.454 --> 05:31:51.445
for a tourist bus and an emergency vehicle who had

05:31:51.454 --> 05:31:54.103
to drive over some bumpers to get to where they were

05:31:54.113 --> 05:31:57.744
going and it took about 20 minutes and this is a regular

05:31:57.754 --> 05:32:01.695
occurrence on our street. My concern is also shared

05:32:01.704 --> 05:32:05.935
with transit. I'm a lifelong uni writer. I love uni

05:32:05.945 --> 05:32:08.613
we should be putting way more energy there and letting

05:32:08.623 --> 05:32:12.574
tech companies use us as guinea pigs while they figure

05:32:12.583 --> 05:32:15.324
things out doesn't mean more generations are going

05:32:15.333 --> 05:32:18.133
to have a cleaner future. Means more generations might

05:32:18.145 --> 05:32:21.754
not even make it to that future. Will it take a kid

05:32:21.765 --> 05:32:24.353
getting hit on their way to school? That the way can't

05:32:24.363 --> 05:32:28.373
see for us to really think about regulations? We don't

05:32:28.383 --> 05:32:31.214
have any data to support any of the things these folks

05:32:31.224 --> 05:32:34.304
from and Cruz are clearly paying and encouraging people

05:32:34.314 --> 05:32:37.024
to call on this line and say, I don't think any of

05:32:37.034 --> 05:32:42.034
those are legit and I thank you for your time today

05:32:42.204 --> 05:32:48.383
Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

05:32:48.383 --> 05:32:50.274
And again, as a reminder if you would like to ask,

05:32:50.284 --> 05:32:54.195
I'm sorry, make a comment. Please press star one unmute

05:32:54.204 --> 05:32:57.405
your phone and record your name clearly when prompted

05:32:57.744 --> 05:33:01.214
Our next caller is Andre. I'm sorry, Erin Rice. You

05:33:01.224 --> 05:33:07.284
may go ahead. Your line is open.

05:33:07.284 --> 05:33:10.474
Hi, my name is Aaron Rice and I'm a resident of San

05:33:10.484 --> 05:33:13.534
Francisco and I encourage you to vote. No. On today's

05:33:13.544 --> 05:33:17.224
expansion of access to Robotaxis, there are already

05:33:17.234 --> 05:33:19.484
enough deployed on the road for them to improve their

05:33:19.494 --> 05:33:22.265
algorithm algorithms, which is an argument that I've

05:33:22.274 --> 05:33:24.734
heard a lot today. Um I don't know why we would need

05:33:24.744 --> 05:33:27.445
to expand the number that are already on the road in

05:33:27.454 --> 05:33:30.363
order for them to be able to, to get it right, which

05:33:30.373 --> 05:33:35.004
they haven't clearly so far. I also absolutely don't

05:33:35.015 --> 05:33:37.113
think an expansion should be authorized without open

05:33:37.123 --> 05:33:40.175
access to real data, not just convenient talking points

05:33:40.915 --> 05:33:44.204
I'm pro innovation, but I'm very against private corporations

05:33:44.214 --> 05:33:46.935
being given unlimited access to our streets, especially

05:33:46.945 --> 05:33:50.113
without a full citywide vote. So all residents can

05:33:50.123 --> 05:33:55.855
have a proper say. Um I also want to echo the point

05:33:56.105 --> 05:34:02.234
that any member of the commission that is making any

05:34:02.243 --> 05:34:04.973
considerable money from any of these companies should

05:34:04.984 --> 05:34:08.855
recuse themselves from the vote. Thank you. Thank you

05:34:09.074 --> 05:34:15.015
operator. Next caller, please.

05:34:15.015 --> 05:34:17.924
Our next call is Walter Park. You may go ahead. Your

05:34:17.933 --> 05:34:21.203
line is open.

05:34:21.203 --> 05:34:24.203
Thank you. My name is Walter Park. I live in San Francisco

05:34:24.783 --> 05:34:27.274
I was the founding director of America Office Disability

05:34:27.283 --> 05:34:29.873
I'm currently a member of the California Department

05:34:29.882 --> 05:34:33.333
of Justice Disability Advisory Group. I'm not speaking

05:34:33.344 --> 05:34:36.804
on behalf of either of those organizations today. Safety

05:34:36.813 --> 05:34:39.922
is of course a concern. I think that the NBC news story

05:34:39.933 --> 05:34:43.873
on Tuesday night was pretty much the ultimate nightmare

05:34:43.882 --> 05:34:48.263
demonstration of a vehicle that blocked two lanes of

05:34:48.274 --> 05:34:52.065
traffic for 20 minutes when they were trying to show

05:34:52.074 --> 05:34:55.085
off how good they are. Very embarrassing and something

05:34:55.094 --> 05:34:57.585
that we really can't tolerate on a daily basis. My

05:34:57.594 --> 05:35:00.504
main concern though is not safety. It's full accessibility

05:35:00.875 --> 05:35:04.404
You may not approve something that excludes one protected

05:35:04.413 --> 05:35:07.663
class of citizens, potential riders and that's people

05:35:07.674 --> 05:35:11.464
with disabilities. These cars are not designed to allow

05:35:11.473 --> 05:35:15.504
a person in a wheelchair to use them. They could be

05:35:15.515 --> 05:35:18.085
I think the software is fine. The software needs matching

05:35:18.094 --> 05:35:23.034
hardware, New York City um has recently introduced

05:35:23.045 --> 05:35:25.924
a fleet of fully accessible goods

05:35:25.924 --> 05:35:28.674
manufactured in America and they're on the streets

05:35:28.683 --> 05:35:31.134
today. These cars, the software in these cars can be

05:35:31.143 --> 05:35:34.335
put into accessible vehicles. You may not approve them

05:35:34.344 --> 05:35:37.375
without that. The alternative means that they propose

05:35:37.384 --> 05:35:40.953
are not equivalent facilitation to wave and the center's

05:35:40.964 --> 05:35:44.743
health care programs are not equivalent promising to

05:35:44.754 --> 05:35:48.565
later add on accessibility while we do this now, it

05:35:48.574 --> 05:35:52.315
always fails. We cannot have accessibility in the future

05:35:52.324 --> 05:35:55.045
As an add on it has to be part of the original

05:35:55.054 --> 05:35:58.284
full design. Let's not start retrofitting the stuff

05:35:58.315 --> 05:36:02.344
please again, vote. No, on two and three. Thank you

05:36:02.355 --> 05:36:05.565
very much. Thank you operator. Next caller, please

05:36:08.703 --> 05:36:11.964
Our next caller is Shica. You may go ahead. Your line

05:36:11.973 --> 05:36:14.094
is open.

05:36:14.094 --> 05:36:17.913
Hello. Um I would strongly support the motion to allow

05:36:17.924 --> 05:36:22.614
more Avis on our streets. Um I believe they are better

05:36:22.625 --> 05:36:25.683
than many, many human drivers who are increasingly

05:36:25.694 --> 05:36:29.703
distracted and sleep deprived these days. As a parent

05:36:29.714 --> 05:36:33.025
of young elementary school kids, I see drivers run

05:36:33.034 --> 05:36:35.795
over red traffic lights even when a crossing guard

05:36:35.804 --> 05:36:40.105
is present. It is very scary and shocking how irrational

05:36:40.114 --> 05:36:44.413
humans are behaving on roads these days. In contrast

05:36:44.424 --> 05:36:47.094
I took a 40 minute long way more ride. It was very

05:36:47.105 --> 05:36:51.243
safe and at no point in 40 minutes, I felt a lack

05:36:51.254 --> 05:36:54.134
of trust or lack of confidence, writing it. I wrote

05:36:54.143 --> 05:36:58.614
it with my kids and so I would highly uh support this

05:36:58.625 --> 05:37:02.893
motion to allow more Avis on our road. Thank you. Thank

05:37:02.904 --> 05:37:07.065
you operator. Next caller, please.

05:37:07.065 --> 05:37:10.884
Our next caller is mu you may go ahead. Your line is

05:37:10.893 --> 05:37:14.375
open.

05:37:14.375 --> 05:37:17.355
Hi there. Uh Thanks for giving me a chance. I work

05:37:17.364 --> 05:37:19.393
in San Francisco. I would like to, I, I'll keep it

05:37:19.404 --> 05:37:22.625
short and everyone's tired. Uh I expressed support

05:37:22.634 --> 05:37:26.703
for, uh, for allowing the expansion of A V. Uh I think

05:37:26.714 --> 05:37:31.504
Well, I mean, uh, my is these machines do not get distracted

05:37:31.515 --> 05:37:34.634
they don't text while drivers, they don't get drunk

05:37:34.643 --> 05:37:37.953
Uh, and I think we also need to be less about ideologies

05:37:37.964 --> 05:37:41.464
and more about looking into data and statistics. Um

05:37:41.884 --> 05:37:44.585
from what I've looked at most of the so-called incidents

05:37:44.594 --> 05:37:48.015
have been, uh the A is being actually rear ended. And

05:37:48.025 --> 05:37:50.835
if the biggest thing that is that they, they stall

05:37:51.015 --> 05:37:55.315
I think um it is worth giving a chance and uh kind

05:37:55.324 --> 05:37:58.545
of make San Francisco still like the at the cutting

05:37:58.554 --> 05:38:02.424
edge of technology. Uh That's it. Thanks. Thank you

05:38:02.433 --> 05:38:06.694
operator. Next caller, please.

05:38:06.694 --> 05:38:08.815
And before we go to the next caller again, if you would

05:38:08.824 --> 05:38:11.904
like to make a comment, please unmute your phone, press

05:38:11.913 --> 05:38:15.315
star one and record your first and last name slowly

05:38:15.324 --> 05:38:17.944
and clearly when prompted. So I may introduce you.

05:38:18.554 --> 05:38:21.674
Our next caller is Bridget Bailey. You may go ahead

05:38:21.683 --> 05:38:25.703
your line is open. Hello, I would like to encourage

05:38:25.714 --> 05:38:30.163
you to vote. Yes, in favor of planet Earth just experienced

05:38:30.174 --> 05:38:33.015
the hottest year on record as a grandmother. I worry

05:38:33.025 --> 05:38:36.344
deeply about the climate crisis and how it will impact

05:38:36.355 --> 05:38:39.424
the future of my grandchildren. When given the opportunity

05:38:39.433 --> 05:38:42.254
anyone in a position of leadership such as the members

05:38:42.265 --> 05:38:45.364
of the public Utility Commission should use their power

05:38:45.375 --> 05:38:49.243
to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Autonomous vehicles

05:38:49.254 --> 05:38:52.893
would bring electric vehicle transportation to thousands

05:38:52.904 --> 05:38:55.984
of people who can't afford or don't need to purchase

05:38:55.993 --> 05:38:59.844
their own electric vehicle. Please use this opportunity

05:38:59.855 --> 05:39:04.025
to advance sustainable transportation and help us meet

05:39:04.034 --> 05:39:08.375
the climate crisis. Also, my 66 year old brother in

05:39:08.384 --> 05:39:12.625
law is losing his sight and is now legally blind the

05:39:12.634 --> 05:39:17.114
ability for him to use self driving cars such as would

05:39:17.125 --> 05:39:20.904
provide him with much needed independence. Thank you

05:39:21.634 --> 05:39:26.795
Thank you operator. Next caller, please.

05:39:26.795 --> 05:39:30.174
Our next caller is the men. You may go ahead. Your

05:39:30.183 --> 05:39:34.243
line is open. Hi there. Uh, just calling in that also

05:39:34.254 --> 05:39:36.464
Uh, of course, safety is a complex topic and there

05:39:36.473 --> 05:39:39.493
there's many aspects to it, but as a person who, who

05:39:39.504 --> 05:39:41.433
worked in San Francisco and has lived in San Francisco

05:39:41.444 --> 05:39:44.493
for almost a decade. Uh I, I very much feel a lot

05:39:44.504 --> 05:39:49.004
safer with a V than I feel with uh with human drivers

05:39:49.015 --> 05:39:52.125
Uh In particular when I'm biking. Uh So wanted to contribute

05:39:52.134 --> 05:39:55.674
their perspective. Thank you very much. Thank you operator

05:39:55.683 --> 05:39:59.815
Next caller, please.

05:39:59.815 --> 05:40:02.183
And at this time, we have no additional callers on

05:40:02.194 --> 05:40:06.953
the public common telephone line. All right. Um Thank

05:40:06.964 --> 05:40:10.565
you operator. And with no more callers on the line

05:40:10.574 --> 05:40:18.525
the public comment period is now closed.

05:40:18.525 --> 05:40:21.143
Sure,

05:40:21.143 --> 05:40:28.134
you the comment. It will be one minute.

05:40:28.134 --> 05:40:35.214
Sorry.

05:40:35.214 --> 05:40:38.913
Ok. I'm a 23 year San Francisco resident, a mom and

05:40:38.924 --> 05:40:41.453
a bike person here to advocate for liability, liable

05:40:41.464 --> 05:40:44.183
streets, liveable cities, liveable earth, make the

05:40:44.194 --> 05:40:47.973
solar thing work. Uh close the gas thing tomorrow.

05:40:48.234 --> 05:40:51.605
Um And likewise, can we end the century long experiment

05:40:51.614 --> 05:40:54.694
that is human driving? No one cried for the lamplighters

05:40:54.703 --> 05:40:56.875
the elevator and switchboard operators or the typing

05:40:56.884 --> 05:40:59.663
pool. There are other jobs, there are better jobs,

05:40:59.674 --> 05:41:02.114
the drivers, regular and professional are injuring

05:41:02.125 --> 05:41:05.243
and killing us. People have asked for statistics. Here

05:41:05.254 --> 05:41:09.045
it is. Here's what has happened in San Francisco and

05:41:09.054 --> 05:41:15.344
in the streets around us since 2014, there have been

05:41:15.364 --> 05:41:21.375
about 30,000 incidents, injury, crashes by cars and

05:41:21.384 --> 05:41:29.364
drivers since 2014. Um, here is a B 17 by three companies

05:41:29.375 --> 05:41:32.493
and nearly always they were the victim. Oh, and if

05:41:32.504 --> 05:41:36.004
the city wants to be serious about what they're doing

05:41:36.015 --> 05:41:40.674
about safety, here is what they have done. San Francisco

05:41:40.683 --> 05:41:43.893
Fire Department, police any workers, I count count

05:41:43.904 --> 05:41:46.784
358. But the data hygiene is poor and I'm sure there

05:41:46.795 --> 05:41:49.973
are many, many more. How many more need to be injured

05:41:49.984 --> 05:41:52.404
and killed before we do something? Our city won't make

05:41:52.413 --> 05:41:54.924
the necessary infrastructure changes because the taxi

05:41:54.933 --> 05:41:57.565
drivers, labor folk and firefighters have rejected

05:41:57.574 --> 05:41:59.969
the improvement. I need you to wrap up, made transit

05:41:59.980 --> 05:42:02.739
faster and people walking and biking safer because

05:42:02.750 --> 05:42:07.078
with slow drivers, I believe a vs can help us. It is

05:42:07.089 --> 05:42:09.859
Thank you very much for your, it is hard to hear street

05:42:09.868 --> 05:42:13.359
rebel and people that I actually have blocked car traffic

05:42:13.368 --> 05:42:17.808
with in protest of cars and others that I greatly respect

05:42:17.819 --> 05:42:20.328
to over you for your comment and try to ask you to

05:42:20.489 --> 05:42:22.078
step

05:42:22.078 --> 05:42:29.784
in. We did hear you.

05:42:29.784 --> 05:42:35.344
We did hear your comment. Thank you very much.

05:42:35.344 --> 05:42:38.614
All right. Uh we have no more callers on the line and

05:42:38.625 --> 05:42:41.913
took all of the comments in the room. Um So the public

05:42:41.924 --> 05:42:45.254
comment period is now closed. I did want to thank everyone

05:42:45.265 --> 05:42:49.433
uh who waited patiently today and to uh let everyone

05:42:49.444 --> 05:42:53.545
get a chance uh to speak. So uh we're now going to

05:42:53.554 --> 05:42:58.605
move to the public agenda. I'm going to start by reading

05:42:58.614 --> 05:43:04.364
the following changes to today's agenda items. 234

05:43:04.375 --> 05:43:09.234
and six have been moved to the regular agenda and with

05:43:09.243 --> 05:43:12.375
those changes, I'll move on to the consent agenda.

05:43:13.094 --> 05:43:15.884
So we're taking up the consent agenda. We need a motion

05:43:15.893 --> 05:43:19.855
for the consent agenda. So, all right, we have a motion

05:43:19.864 --> 05:43:23.085
from Commissioner Sharo. Do we have a 2nd 2nd, 2nd

05:43:23.094 --> 05:43:25.824
from Commissioner Hauck. So with a motion and a second

05:43:25.835 --> 05:43:28.824
for the consent agenda, I'm going to ask the clerk

05:43:28.835 --> 05:43:31.034
to call the role. But before starting, I did want to

05:43:31.045 --> 05:43:34.384
note that Commissioner Douglas is necessarily absent

05:43:34.893 --> 05:43:38.964
agenda. Clerk, Commissioner John Reynolds. Commissioner

05:43:38.973 --> 05:43:44.045
Hak. Yes, Commissioner Chroma President Alice Reynolds

05:43:44.054 --> 05:43:48.984
Yes, the vote is 40. The consent agenda has been approved

05:43:49.315 --> 05:43:53.723
I will now move to item two on the regular agenda and

05:43:53.734 --> 05:43:57.634
we are going to be taking up items two and items and

05:43:57.643 --> 05:44:01.775
item three item two and item three together. Item two

05:44:01.784 --> 05:44:05.944
is authorization for Waymo LLC service, an autonomous

05:44:05.953 --> 05:44:09.295
vehicle, passenger service phase one, driverless appoint

05:44:09.304 --> 05:44:16.214
deployment program resolution TL 19144 item three is

05:44:16.223 --> 05:44:20.094
resolution for authorization for crew LLC S expanded

05:44:20.105 --> 05:44:22.953
service, an autonomous vehicle passenger service. Phase

05:44:22.964 --> 05:44:26.515
one, driverless deployment deployment program resolution

05:44:26.525 --> 05:44:33.194
TL 19 1 45. And I will turn to executive Director Rachel

05:44:33.203 --> 05:44:36.094
Peterson to make a presentation on these two items

05:44:36.105 --> 05:44:38.634
And I did also want to note that we'll be voting separately

05:44:38.643 --> 05:44:42.824
but we'll discuss both items together. M Peterson.

05:44:43.585 --> 05:44:46.134
Uh Good afternoon. Thank you, President Reynolds and

05:44:46.143 --> 05:44:49.154
Commissioners for the opportunity to present this overview

05:44:49.163 --> 05:44:53.754
of items. Two and three. I'll start with item two addressing

05:44:53.765 --> 05:44:58.933
WO LLC S application. The resolution approves wmo's

05:44:58.944 --> 05:45:02.105
advice letter requesting authorization to participate

05:45:02.114 --> 05:45:06.324
in this program. With this approval, Waymo may offer

05:45:06.335 --> 05:45:09.835
passenger service in its autonomous vehicles without

05:45:09.844 --> 05:45:13.194
a safety driver present in the city of San Francisco

05:45:13.203 --> 05:45:16.643
and a portion of San Mateo County at all hours of day

05:45:16.654 --> 05:45:21.625
or night per wmo's operational design domain which

05:45:21.634 --> 05:45:25.565
is approved by the Department of Motor Vehicles. Waymo

05:45:25.754 --> 05:45:29.143
Autonomous Vehicles may operate on roadways with speeds

05:45:29.154 --> 05:45:34.034
up to 65 MPH and in inclement, weather conditions including

05:45:34.045 --> 05:45:38.054
rain and fog. Waymo may collect fares for these rides

05:45:38.424 --> 05:45:42.875
The draft resolution was issued on May 11th. 2023 was

05:45:42.884 --> 05:45:46.335
served to several transportation related service lists

05:45:46.634 --> 05:45:51.254
It received 27 timely comments 23 in support of wmo's

05:45:51.265 --> 05:45:55.085
application. One expressing conditional support and

05:45:55.094 --> 05:45:58.355
three expressing concerns or in opposition to wmo's

05:45:58.364 --> 05:46:03.105
request. I'll go to item three. This proposed resolution

05:46:03.114 --> 05:46:08.004
approves cruise LLC S advice letter requesting expansion

05:46:08.015 --> 05:46:11.743
of its operational design domain under its existing

05:46:11.754 --> 05:46:15.723
driverless deployment authorization. With this approval

05:46:15.734 --> 05:46:19.964
Cruz may offer faired passenger service in its autonomous

05:46:19.973 --> 05:46:22.824
vehicles without a safety driver throughout the city

05:46:22.835 --> 05:46:27.094
of San Francisco at all hours of day and night per

05:46:27.105 --> 05:46:31.815
its DMV approved operational design. Domain crews may

05:46:31.824 --> 05:46:36.284
operate on roadways with speed limits up to 35 MPH

05:46:36.304 --> 05:46:39.074
and will not operate in weather conditions such as

05:46:39.085 --> 05:46:43.254
heavy fog, rain or smoke crews may collect fares for

05:46:43.265 --> 05:46:47.114
these rides. This is an expansion of cruise's existing

05:46:47.125 --> 05:46:50.375
authorization which presently allows it to provide

05:46:50.384 --> 05:46:53.574
fared driverless service in a limited geographic area

05:46:53.585 --> 05:46:57.654
of San Francisco from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. Similar to

05:46:57.663 --> 05:47:01.384
the WMO uh resolution. This draft resolution was also

05:47:01.393 --> 05:47:06.265
issued on May 11th, 2023 served to several transportation

05:47:06.384 --> 05:47:11.194
related service lists received 30 timely comments 27

05:47:11.203 --> 05:47:14.493
in support. One expressing, expressing conditional

05:47:14.504 --> 05:47:18.355
support and two expressing concerns or in opposition

05:47:19.143 --> 05:47:22.433
I want to thank the staff who worked on these resolutions

05:47:22.444 --> 05:47:26.284
and supported your offices and the public by answering

05:47:26.295 --> 05:47:30.413
questions and providing information, Tara Curtis, Josh

05:47:30.424 --> 05:47:34.723
Honeycutt and Ashlyn Kong led by director Doug Ito

05:47:34.734 --> 05:47:39.174
and deputy executive director, Pat Sun Brian cars provided

05:47:39.183 --> 05:47:42.795
key publication support and our staff team was assisted

05:47:42.804 --> 05:47:45.964
along the way by attorneys on our legal division, Ian

05:47:45.973 --> 05:47:49.134
Culver Jonathan Cots and of course under the leadership

05:47:49.143 --> 05:47:52.154
of General Council Christine Hammond. Thank you for

05:47:52.163 --> 05:47:54.594
your consideration of these resolutions. Today and

05:47:54.605 --> 05:48:00.203
I'm happy to take any questions.

05:48:00.203 --> 05:48:03.515
Thank you, Executive director, uh Peterson. Um I'm

05:48:03.525 --> 05:48:06.795
gonna now go to commissioner comments and I'll start

05:48:06.804 --> 05:48:09.775
with Commissioner Sharma. Thank you, President Reynolds

05:48:10.993 --> 05:48:15.404
colleagues. And first, thank you to all the public

05:48:15.574 --> 05:48:20.025
who gave extensive comments and I really hung in there

05:48:20.034 --> 05:48:24.105
to this late hour. I very much appreciate it colleagues

05:48:24.114 --> 05:48:27.203
We have before us today on the voting agenda, two resolutions

05:48:27.214 --> 05:48:30.864
that if approved would permit both Cruz and Waymo to

05:48:30.875 --> 05:48:33.654
provide fair driverless autonomous vehicle services

05:48:33.663 --> 05:48:38.574
throughout all of San Francisco on a 24 7 basis. I

05:48:38.585 --> 05:48:41.683
asked that these be put on the regular agenda because

05:48:41.694 --> 05:48:45.804
before taking such a monumental vote, I believe it

05:48:45.815 --> 05:48:48.315
is important to stress that the record that it has

05:48:48.324 --> 05:48:51.393
been developed through the advice letter process, the

05:48:51.404 --> 05:48:54.515
comments to the advice letters from government entity

05:48:54.525 --> 05:48:57.844
parties who speak for our first responders and the

05:48:57.855 --> 05:49:01.335
responses to those comments from Cruz. And in my view

05:49:01.344 --> 05:49:04.034
it demonstrates that the commission lacks at present

05:49:04.275 --> 05:49:07.795
sufficient information to evaluate in a comprehensive

05:49:07.804 --> 05:49:11.953
fashion that the safety aspects of this mode of transportation

05:49:12.125 --> 05:49:16.085
especially insofar as driverless autonomous vehicles

05:49:16.094 --> 05:49:19.703
impact the ability of our first responders to carry

05:49:19.714 --> 05:49:23.355
out their life saving duties because of this insufficient

05:49:23.364 --> 05:49:26.504
record. I believe it is premature to vote to approve

05:49:26.515 --> 05:49:29.714
these resolutions today. Instead the resolution should

05:49:29.723 --> 05:49:33.384
be held or withdrawn so that crew and we have the additional

05:49:33.393 --> 05:49:37.804
time to explain with greater granularity. One why its

05:49:37.815 --> 05:49:40.464
driverless autonomous vehicles are making unexpected

05:49:40.473 --> 05:49:44.464
and unexplained stops. Well, how cruz and we plan to

05:49:44.473 --> 05:49:48.304
improve the technology to prevent these unexpected

05:49:48.315 --> 05:49:51.824
and unexplained vehicle stops in the future? Three

05:49:51.835 --> 05:49:55.424
how cruz and we will ensure that driverless autonomous

05:49:55.433 --> 05:49:59.393
vehicles will not interfere with first responder activities

05:49:59.444 --> 05:50:02.734
and for what additional training will be provided to

05:50:02.743 --> 05:50:05.754
our essential first responders so that they will know

05:50:05.765 --> 05:50:08.754
how to communicate with these driverless autonomous

05:50:08.765 --> 05:50:12.114
vehicles. I see the achievement of these goals as occurring

05:50:12.125 --> 05:50:15.804
on three simultaneous tracks, the technology improvement

05:50:15.815 --> 05:50:19.344
track, the information sharing track and the training

05:50:19.355 --> 05:50:22.074
track that should be completed before the resolutions

05:50:22.085 --> 05:50:26.525
are voted on the first responders. The A B companies

05:50:26.534 --> 05:50:31.723
and the DMV can work together to update the DMV mandated

05:50:31.734 --> 05:50:35.183
law enforcement interaction plans prior to us avoiding

05:50:35.194 --> 05:50:39.335
out these resolutions, any updates to the law enforcement

05:50:39.344 --> 05:50:42.933
interaction plans would then be included in our required

05:50:42.944 --> 05:50:46.444
passenger safety plans and that update would be attached

05:50:46.453 --> 05:50:50.254
to these resolutions for comment and approval seeking

05:50:50.265 --> 05:50:53.703
a delay in this vote is not unreasonable. In fact,

05:50:53.714 --> 05:50:56.864
the commission would be legally justified in not voting

05:50:56.875 --> 05:51:00.174
on these resolutions today. Pursuant to General order

05:51:00.183 --> 05:51:06.065
96 B, the commission has until November 7th, 2023 to

05:51:06.074 --> 05:51:09.154
decide to approve way's advice letter and November

05:51:09.163 --> 05:51:13.605
11th 2023 to decide whether to approve Cruz's advice

05:51:13.614 --> 05:51:17.674
letter. There is no reason to rush to a vote today

05:51:17.844 --> 05:51:20.953
when there are still three additional months for Cruz

05:51:20.964 --> 05:51:23.875
and Waymo to meet and confer with the city and county

05:51:23.884 --> 05:51:26.594
of San Francisco. And to explain to the commission

05:51:26.795 --> 05:51:30.094
how the existing driverless autonomous vehicle technology

05:51:30.234 --> 05:51:33.824
can be improved to prevent the unexpected and unexplained

05:51:33.835 --> 05:51:37.194
vehicles loss from occurring. Such a delay is also

05:51:37.203 --> 05:51:39.815
supported by the comments the commission has received

05:51:39.824 --> 05:51:43.754
in response to the advice letters. The city and County

05:51:43.765 --> 05:51:47.154
of San Francisco Transportation authorities, the Los

05:51:47.163 --> 05:51:50.723
Angeles Department of Transportation commented on the

05:51:50.734 --> 05:51:53.324
cruise and waymo resolution that first responders do

05:51:53.335 --> 05:51:57.034
not know how to communicate with AVS effectively during

05:51:57.045 --> 05:52:00.105
emergencies and that the commission's required passenger

05:52:00.114 --> 05:52:03.174
safety plans filed by the companies need to be revised

05:52:03.183 --> 05:52:06.565
to address these concerns. The comments of the County

05:52:06.574 --> 05:52:09.183
of San Francisco. Transportation authorities provide

05:52:09.194 --> 05:52:12.214
examples where a driverless autonomous vehicle has

05:52:12.223 --> 05:52:15.464
impeded the ability of first responders to respond

05:52:15.473 --> 05:52:19.534
to potentially life threatening situations. In response

05:52:19.545 --> 05:52:22.565
the resolutions claim that San Francisco's anecdotes

05:52:22.574 --> 05:52:25.855
do not represent a sufficiently robust, robust set

05:52:25.864 --> 05:52:29.384
of facts upon which to alter the draft resolutions

05:52:29.393 --> 05:52:33.404
finding our conclusions. I disagree. All it takes is

05:52:33.413 --> 05:52:36.784
one real life example of a driverless autonomous vehicle

05:52:37.004 --> 05:52:39.913
that prevents a first responder from doing its job

05:52:39.924 --> 05:52:43.694
in real time that convinces me that we should not approve

05:52:43.703 --> 05:52:46.574
citywide deployment of driverless autonomous vehicles

05:52:46.605 --> 05:52:50.393
until crews of take the time to improve their vehicles

05:52:50.404 --> 05:52:54.074
so that there are no such interferences. Now imagine

05:52:54.085 --> 05:52:57.795
if one of those so called anecdotes involved a family

05:52:58.054 --> 05:53:01.625
a member of your family uh in need of urgent medical

05:53:01.634 --> 05:53:05.085
attention or is trapped in a burning building. I would

05:53:05.094 --> 05:53:09.855
not characterize such an event as anecdote. Human life

05:53:09.864 --> 05:53:12.913
is not an anecdote. Instead, the city and county of

05:53:12.924 --> 05:53:15.413
San Francisco are confronted with life threatening

05:53:15.424 --> 05:53:18.453
situations in which first responders do not know how

05:53:18.464 --> 05:53:20.875
to communicate with this new mode of transportation

05:53:21.515 --> 05:53:24.565
I believe a delay in the vote is also warranted by

05:53:24.574 --> 05:53:26.765
the safety record that has been developed to date.

05:53:27.284 --> 05:53:30.714
The resolutions claim that available data show that

05:53:30.723 --> 05:53:34.324
crew and we have maintained a good safety record because

05:53:34.335 --> 05:53:37.234
none of the incidences have resulted in bodily harm

05:53:37.243 --> 05:53:41.473
to passengers or the public. I consider that conclusion

05:53:41.484 --> 05:53:44.525
to be short sighted passengers and the public should

05:53:44.534 --> 05:53:47.815
not be endangered. First responders should not be prevented

05:53:47.824 --> 05:53:51.625
from doing their job. The fact that an injury or fatality

05:53:51.634 --> 05:53:55.094
has not occurred yet is not the end of the inquiry

05:53:55.433 --> 05:53:57.734
The commission needs a better explanation regarding

05:53:57.743 --> 05:54:00.924
why these events occur and what Cruz and we are going

05:54:00.933 --> 05:54:04.424
to do to prevent such occurrences in the future. Now

05:54:04.433 --> 05:54:06.654
I would think that Cruz and we would want to share

05:54:06.663 --> 05:54:09.525
this information with the commission. So we commissioners

05:54:09.534 --> 05:54:12.723
have as full a picture as possible before voting to

05:54:12.734 --> 05:54:16.143
permit driverless autonomous vehicles to operate throughout

05:54:16.154 --> 05:54:20.335
San Francisco. Finally, we do not know how the cruise

05:54:20.344 --> 05:54:22.953
and way business models will alter if the resolutions

05:54:22.964 --> 05:54:25.775
are approved, neither Cruz or way will have informed

05:54:25.784 --> 05:54:28.795
us as to the number of driverless autonomous vehicles

05:54:28.804 --> 05:54:31.924
they will seek to deploy if the resolutions are approved

05:54:32.404 --> 05:54:35.924
Cruz is a subsidiary of General Motors Way is owned

05:54:35.933 --> 05:54:39.525
by alphabet Google's parent company given their financial

05:54:39.534 --> 05:54:43.074
backing Cruz and we will have the capacity to fund

05:54:43.275 --> 05:54:46.545
alter our understanding of passenger service in San

05:54:46.554 --> 05:54:49.243
Francisco. So it's not unreasonable for the commission

05:54:49.254 --> 05:54:51.973
to have a better understanding of the safety impacts

05:54:51.984 --> 05:54:56.355
before the resolutions are approved Because of my concerns

05:54:56.643 --> 05:54:59.625
I asked the commission not to vote on the resolutions

05:54:59.634 --> 05:55:03.194
today. Instead, I ask that these be suspended so that

05:55:03.203 --> 05:55:07.163
the issues I've identified can be resolved in suggesting

05:55:07.174 --> 05:55:10.105
this pathway today. I'm not asking the commission to

05:55:10.114 --> 05:55:13.525
travel down a road that interferes with the jurisdiction

05:55:13.534 --> 05:55:16.393
of the California Department of Motor vehicles over

05:55:16.404 --> 05:55:19.884
autonomous vehicles. Nothing in the vehicle code presents

05:55:19.893 --> 05:55:23.545
the commission as a regulatory body that has jurisdiction

05:55:23.554 --> 05:55:26.893
over autonomous vehicles, acting as permanent charter

05:55:26.904 --> 05:55:30.993
party carriers from engaging in necessary fact gathering

05:55:31.004 --> 05:55:34.723
activities, providing prescriptive suggestions to ensure

05:55:35.163 --> 05:55:38.634
the safety of driverless autonomous vehicle operations

05:55:38.855 --> 05:55:43.243
Thank you for considering my comments. Thank you, Commissioner

05:55:43.254 --> 05:55:45.973
Shiroma. I'll turn to other commissioners. Commissioner

05:55:45.984 --> 05:55:50.324
Reynolds. Thank you, President Reynolds. Good evening

05:55:50.335 --> 05:55:53.743
everyone. I would like to begin by recognizing the

05:55:53.754 --> 05:55:58.134
leadership of my keen partner in this uh in this matter

05:55:58.143 --> 05:56:00.683
Commissioner Shama who's exercised leadership over

05:56:00.694 --> 05:56:03.515
the course of the, the considerable journey that this

05:56:03.525 --> 05:56:06.355
industry has been on as it's regulated by the puc.

05:56:06.364 --> 05:56:09.154
I would also like to thank her chief of Staff, Cheryl

05:56:09.174 --> 05:56:12.265
W and her advisor Jack Chang on the subject area which

05:56:12.275 --> 05:56:14.884
has been full of challenging issues that they've been

05:56:14.893 --> 05:56:17.275
working through.

05:56:17.275 --> 05:56:19.884
I would like to offer my appreciation for the work

05:56:19.893 --> 05:56:22.554
of the consumer protection enforcement division and

05:56:22.565 --> 05:56:25.864
the A V program staff team, Deputy executive director

05:56:25.875 --> 05:56:30.754
Pat director Doug Tara Curtis, Josh Honeycutt and Ashlyn

05:56:31.515 --> 05:56:33.663
who developed these resolutions and have been supporting

05:56:33.674 --> 05:56:36.815
our A V passenger programs. I would also like to offer

05:56:36.824 --> 05:56:39.025
my thanks to Judge Mason for all of his work on the

05:56:39.034 --> 05:56:42.835
proceeding that crafted the rules that these resolutions

05:56:43.174 --> 05:56:45.824
are prepared. Under.

05:56:45.824 --> 05:56:48.714
Lastly, I would like to thank the parties and external

05:56:48.723 --> 05:56:52.163
stakeholders for their ongoing active engagement in

05:56:52.174 --> 05:56:54.765
recent workshops and public forums on this topic as

05:56:54.775 --> 05:56:56.554
well as the members of the public who have appeared

05:56:56.634 --> 05:57:00.065
before us today and at prior forums to offer their

05:57:00.074 --> 05:57:03.025
comments about these resolutions and this industry

05:57:04.913 --> 05:57:07.654
these resolutions have received a fair amount of attention

05:57:07.663 --> 05:57:10.424
in the press and in the public. I would like to begin

05:57:10.433 --> 05:57:12.284
by discussing some of the broader context around this

05:57:12.295 --> 05:57:15.143
industry which has been the subject of public debate

05:57:15.154 --> 05:57:18.515
surrounding these resolutions. We have heard concerns

05:57:18.525 --> 05:57:20.663
raised by the city of San Francisco about this emerging

05:57:20.674 --> 05:57:24.364
technology covering multiple general issue areas, first

05:57:24.375 --> 05:57:27.045
responder interactions, compliance with the rules of

05:57:27.054 --> 05:57:31.784
the road traffic tickets, congestion and more. We have

05:57:31.795 --> 05:57:34.163
also heard from A V companies about the danger on our

05:57:34.174 --> 05:57:36.804
roadways today and the potential for this technology

05:57:36.815 --> 05:57:40.433
to reduce those dangers. I can understand what these

05:57:40.444 --> 05:57:43.545
arguments are raised before us. Ultimately, advocates

05:57:43.554 --> 05:57:45.723
on both sides of this issue, care about the future

05:57:45.844 --> 05:57:48.444
And so do we,

05:57:48.444 --> 05:57:51.364
I also observe mistaken assumptions echoed in the press

05:57:51.375 --> 05:57:55.154
regarding these resolutions. For example, I see debate

05:57:55.163 --> 05:57:58.993
about unlimited 24 7 operation of self driving vehicles

05:57:59.754 --> 05:58:03.275
yet unlimited 24 7 operations are already permitted

05:58:03.734 --> 05:58:06.404
These resolutions have no impact on the ability of

05:58:06.413 --> 05:58:09.674
these carriers to operate 24 7. Nor did they impact

05:58:09.683 --> 05:58:12.134
the number of cars authorized to operate on the road

05:58:13.605 --> 05:58:16.473
The question before us is not how many cars should

05:58:16.484 --> 05:58:19.194
be on the road or what times of day should they operate

05:58:20.015 --> 05:58:23.585
Those questions are addressed by other formats. The

05:58:23.594 --> 05:58:26.045
question before us is whether these two companies should

05:58:26.054 --> 05:58:29.034
be permitted to charge fares for carrying passengers

05:58:29.045 --> 05:58:32.315
when operating without a human driver in particular

05:58:32.324 --> 05:58:36.324
geographic and hours of operation where the DMV has

05:58:36.335 --> 05:58:38.824
already determined that these companies are deployment

05:58:38.835 --> 05:58:41.694
ready

05:58:41.694 --> 05:58:45.025
as these resolutions acknowledge some advocates have

05:58:45.034 --> 05:58:49.025
deployed anecdotal data analysis lacking sufficient

05:58:49.034 --> 05:58:55.114
rigor to justify a change to our resolutions.

05:58:55.114 --> 05:58:57.884
And some such data has filtered into the public debate

05:58:57.893 --> 05:59:01.534
surrounding self driving cars. The context surrounding

05:59:01.545 --> 05:59:03.964
this industry has captured the public view around these

05:59:03.973 --> 05:59:07.315
resolutions. But I would like to turn now to the substance

05:59:07.324 --> 05:59:11.413
of the decisions before us and within our area of responsibility

05:59:12.795 --> 05:59:16.484
I would like to first touch on the regulatory split

05:59:16.504 --> 05:59:20.404
in the autonomous vehicle space. This is an industry

05:59:20.413 --> 05:59:23.714
involving several different regulators. The puc is

05:59:23.723 --> 05:59:26.143
the state's regulator of charter party carriers of

05:59:26.154 --> 05:59:30.473
passengers. These are prearranged commercial transportation

05:59:30.484 --> 05:59:35.275
providers in that role. The passenger charter party

05:59:35.284 --> 05:59:38.194
carriers act directs the commission to regulate certain

05:59:38.203 --> 05:59:40.795
types of passenger transportation service in the state

05:59:41.084 --> 05:59:45.464
Per the act. The use of the public highways for the

05:59:45.474 --> 05:59:48.964
transportation of passengers for compensation is a

05:59:48.974 --> 05:59:53.083
business affected with the public interest. It is the

05:59:53.095 --> 05:59:55.935
purpose of this chapter to promote carrier and public

05:59:55.943 --> 05:59:58.863
safety through its safety enforcement regulations.

05:59:58.874 --> 06:00:02.834
End quote. At the same time, we fit into a landscape

06:00:02.843 --> 06:00:05.825
of regulators related to this emerging technology and

06:00:05.834 --> 06:00:08.424
rely upon one another for different aspects of this

06:00:08.433 --> 06:00:12.244
oversight. Alongside us in this journey, we have the

06:00:12.253 --> 06:00:15.434
Department of Motor Vehicles or the DMV, the National

06:00:15.444 --> 06:00:18.834
Highway Traffic Safety Administration or NHTSA, the

06:00:18.843 --> 06:00:21.574
National Transportation Safety Bureau, the California

06:00:21.584 --> 06:00:24.245
Highway Patrol and local law enforcement who enforce

06:00:24.254 --> 06:00:28.434
the rules of the road.

06:00:28.434 --> 06:00:31.295
Vehicle safety is addressed primarily by the DMV and

06:00:31.495 --> 06:00:35.045
NSO. The dmv's primary position with respect to vehicle

06:00:35.054 --> 06:00:38.163
safety at the state level derives from its legislative

06:00:38.175 --> 06:00:43.285
mandate as set forth in vehicle code section 38750

06:00:44.413 --> 06:00:47.114
And NSA is the national regulator of roadway safety

06:00:47.415 --> 06:00:50.823
with staff divisions dedicated to crash safety, vehicle

06:00:50.835 --> 06:00:54.195
safety compliance defects, investigation, and other

06:00:54.204 --> 06:00:57.284
vehicle safety subject matter

06:00:57.284 --> 06:01:00.665
at the state level. The California legislature in SB

06:01:00.674 --> 06:01:03.764
1298 established an approach to regulating the safe

06:01:03.775 --> 06:01:07.915
testing and operation of autonomous vehicles. The legislature

06:01:07.924 --> 06:01:11.754
designated the California DMV as the implementing agency

06:01:11.933 --> 06:01:15.614
to oversee the implementation of this approach. The

06:01:15.624 --> 06:01:18.124
California DMV has established regulations governing

06:01:18.133 --> 06:01:20.594
the safe testing and operation of autonomous vehicles

06:01:21.004 --> 06:01:24.124
including specific regulations governing a law enforcement

06:01:24.133 --> 06:01:27.103
interaction plan that a companies must develop and

06:01:27.114 --> 06:01:31.353
update as well as regulations related to following

06:01:31.364 --> 06:01:35.204
the rules of the road. When I spoke earlier about the

06:01:35.213 --> 06:01:37.674
broader context of this industry and the subject of

06:01:37.683 --> 06:01:40.493
public debate. What is really being debated broadly

06:01:40.504 --> 06:01:44.353
here is the interactions of A vs on the roadway which

06:01:44.364 --> 06:01:46.603
falls within the jurisdiction of our sister agency

06:01:46.614 --> 06:01:51.502
the California DMV. Some parties are asking us to override

06:01:51.512 --> 06:01:54.744
the judgment of the DMV, even though it is the agency

06:01:54.752 --> 06:01:57.603
tasked with this oversight.

06:01:57.603 --> 06:02:00.375
And while on the topic of safety, it is also worth

06:02:00.383 --> 06:02:03.295
acknowledging the broader context of roadway safety

06:02:04.264 --> 06:02:07.553
Over 30,000 people in the US die on roadways annually

06:02:08.424 --> 06:02:12.474
and over 4200 people died on California roads in 2021

06:02:12.484 --> 06:02:16.144
according to the Office of Traffic Safety, while we

06:02:16.155 --> 06:02:19.464
don't yet have the data to judge a vs against the standard

06:02:19.474 --> 06:02:21.875
that human drivers are setting. I do believe in the

06:02:21.883 --> 06:02:24.864
potential of this technology to increase safety on

06:02:24.875 --> 06:02:28.103
the roadway and collaboration between key stakeholders

06:02:28.114 --> 06:02:30.934
in the industry and the first responder community will

06:02:30.944 --> 06:02:33.803
be vital in resolving issues as they arise in this

06:02:33.815 --> 06:02:37.073
emerging technology space.

06:02:37.073 --> 06:02:41.114
I would also note that NTS A under the under the leadership

06:02:41.125 --> 06:02:44.103
of the Biden administration has engaged its oversight

06:02:44.114 --> 06:02:47.524
function in the autonomous vehicle space by establishing

06:02:47.535 --> 06:02:50.535
a standing general order governing self self driving

06:02:50.545 --> 06:02:53.345
vehicles which includes a collision reporting requirement

06:02:54.184 --> 06:02:58.364
And NSA has also initiated inquiry into a V I mobilizations

06:02:58.375 --> 06:03:01.494
and unexpected heartbreaking.

06:03:01.494 --> 06:03:03.883
So with all of the swirling debate in recent weeks

06:03:03.894 --> 06:03:06.625
some might ask why consider these resolutions now,

06:03:07.864 --> 06:03:10.954
first and foremost, as I see it, these resolutions

06:03:10.964 --> 06:03:14.333
apply the rules this agency adopted regarding commercial

06:03:14.345 --> 06:03:18.815
A V passenger service. As a licensing agency for commercial

06:03:18.823 --> 06:03:21.744
passenger transportation, we establish rules, then

06:03:21.755 --> 06:03:25.714
we apply them. If we determine that rules need to change

06:03:25.724 --> 06:03:27.704
then we can make different rules through our rule making

06:03:27.714 --> 06:03:31.974
process here. However, we apply our rules to the commercial

06:03:31.984 --> 06:03:35.633
services proposed by these carriers. Of course, if

06:03:35.644 --> 06:03:38.163
we determine the future that different rules are needed

06:03:38.174 --> 06:03:41.444
for these carriers, then such new rules would apply

06:03:41.454 --> 06:03:45.224
to these carriers after we adopt them, these carriers

06:03:45.234 --> 06:03:48.214
So permits under our rules eight months ago, these

06:03:48.224 --> 06:03:50.514
resolutions are before us because these character,

06:03:50.524 --> 06:03:54.853
these carriers satisfy our rules. Well, there has been

06:03:54.864 --> 06:03:57.754
some debate in recent weeks. Many months of review

06:03:57.765 --> 06:04:00.465
and analysis have been underway before these resolutions

06:04:00.473 --> 06:04:03.585
reached our agenda with opportunity for further stakeholder

06:04:03.593 --> 06:04:06.153
input.

06:04:06.153 --> 06:04:09.025
Additionally, this technology has the ability to help

06:04:09.033 --> 06:04:11.234
California meet its clean energy and transportation

06:04:11.244 --> 06:04:14.025
goals. As these carriers offer service in electric

06:04:14.033 --> 06:04:18.444
vehicles and evs also provide people with more transportation

06:04:18.455 --> 06:04:22.045
options and have the potential to offer transformative

06:04:22.054 --> 06:04:25.955
options for those with disabilities. As a passenger

06:04:25.965 --> 06:04:29.804
transportation regulator, the puc often sits in a market

06:04:29.814 --> 06:04:33.874
facilitator seat for passenger transportation. California's

06:04:33.883 --> 06:04:36.965
increasingly multimodal system with people choosing

06:04:36.973 --> 06:04:39.823
which transportation options work best for their needs

06:04:40.045 --> 06:04:43.795
has the potential to improve our lives daily. Given

06:04:43.804 --> 06:04:46.364
that the safety regulator has already approved deployment

06:04:46.374 --> 06:04:49.354
for these companies. There is a customer benefit in

06:04:49.364 --> 06:04:51.795
having more competition in the passenger transportation

06:04:51.804 --> 06:04:53.895
space.

06:04:53.895 --> 06:04:57.025
And I'll note that in our deployment decision, we outlined

06:04:57.033 --> 06:05:00.653
four key goals for our AV deployment program. First

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protect passenger safety as we discussed in our deployment

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decision. This is distinct from vehicle safety and

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roadway safety.

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Second, expand the benefits of A V technology to all

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Californians, including people with disabilities. And

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I'll note here that we've, we've heard from many members

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of the public who have expressed views on both sides

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of these resolutions who have access needs, some of

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whom have indicated that the services today may provide

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them with an option that's really beneficial to their

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access needs. Others have told us that their access

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needs are not met by these services and there is, I

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think it's fair to say continued work needed to make

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sure that the transportation system provides access

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to those regardless of their needs.

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Our third goal is to improve transportation options

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for all particularly disadvantaged and low income communities

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And our fourth goal is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions

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criteria, air pollutants, toxic, air contaminants and

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particularly reduce all of those in disadvantaged communities

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So the resolutions before us would allow two autonomous

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vehicle companies out of the 41 licensed A V entities

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who are licensed by the California DMV to provide expanded

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driverless passenger service with fares.

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The resolution for Waymo would approve wmo's application

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for a phase one driverless auto autonomous vehicle

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passenger service deployment, satisfying the requirements

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of the deployment decision. We would be able to offer

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passenger service and its autonomous vehicles without

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a safety driver present throughout the city of San

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Francisco at all hours of day or night. Among other

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conditions specified in its operational design domain

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approved by the DMV,

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may currently offer fared passenger service throughout

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San Francisco with a safety driver present non fare

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passenger service throughout San Francisco without

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a safety driver present and non Fareed passenger service

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in parts of Los Angeles and in and around the cities

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of mountain view with a safety driver present all of

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those authorizations allow operations at any time of

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day

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for Cruz. Our resolution would approve Cruz's request

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to expand its odd under its existing phase one driverless

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autonomous vehicle passenger service deployment authorization

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satisfying the requirements of the deployment decision

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Crews would be able to offer passenger service in its

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autonomous vehicles without a safety driver present

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throughout the city of San Francisco at all hours of

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day or night. Among other conditions specific in its

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hoodie D that is approved by the DMV.

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Crews may currently offer fared passenger service in

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limited areas of San Francisco from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.

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without a safety driver present, faired passenger service

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throughout San Francisco at any time of day with a

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safety driver present and non fared passenger service

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throughout San Francisco at any time of day without

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a safety driver present.

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I would like to offer my appreciation for the thoughtful

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revisions on both resolutions that identify and need

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to continue collaboration with the Department of Motor

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Vehicles first responders, local law enforcement and

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transportation agencies. It is with these constructive

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conversations that we can move forward with the resolutions

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at hand and make improvements. While I acknowledge

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that these subjects are regulated by the DMV, I expect

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industry to engage in ongoing dialogue with first responders

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to resolve issues as they arise. This will be critical

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to forging partnership between cities and the companies

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operating this technology genuine partnership. As I

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see it is a shared interest we heard this week from

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city departments and from these carriers, all of whom

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expressed a desire to work together to find solutions

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to problems as they arise. That is a start and I expect

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to see these carriers and the cities follow through

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on this desire where there is a will, there is a will

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as both resolutions find it is reasonable for a V regulation

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and policy at the commission to evolve as a V technology

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and operations scale and change. It's appropriate and

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necessary for such an innovative transportation service

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Before closing, I do want to take a moment to address

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comments regarding my prior employment as is publicly

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disclosed before my appointment and confirmation to

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the puc I had the opportunity to serve as staff here

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at the commission as well as staff at res. Both experiences

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drew heavily from my legal training, critical thinking

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and dedication to public service in this regard. When

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I returned to the commission in February 2022 as a

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commissioner, I took a step back from the commission's

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A V and TNC proceedings for a year and I recused myself

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on votes for these matters during that time period

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And now, well after such passage, passage of time,

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I plan to use my experience as a consumer advocate

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and my familiarity with this emerging technology to

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the benefit of the Californians that we serve as the

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state through multiple agencies. Continues to develop

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the regulatory environment for this technology. I look

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forward to continuing to work with my colleagues on

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building forward looking policies across all of our

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regulated industries. I would like to offer thanks

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to my advisor, Duo for this matter, Kate Pollock and

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Sasha Goldberg, who have embraced this emerging topic

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and have worked diligently to stay on top of all of

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the moving, moving parts throughout this resolution

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process.

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Today is the first of many steps in bringing a V transportation

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services to Californians and setting a successful and

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transparent model for other states to follow. And with

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that, I will be supporting these items. Thank you.

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Thank you, Commissioner Reynolds, Commissioner Hogg

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Thank you, President Reynolds. Um I want to begin by

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thanking the public for their time and thoughtful participation

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in our process, both for the written comments and the

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many meetings that you've attended and provided feedback

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I also um want to begin by thanking Commissioner Sharo

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and her office for their leadership in um rulemaking

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R 12 12 01. The order instituting rulemaking on regulations

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related to passenger carriers, ride sharing and new

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online enabled transportation services. She has and

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continues to diligently work to ensure the integrity

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of the program and ensure public and passenger safety

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And I want to thank our Consumer Protection and enforcement

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division or CPD staff um and Judge Mason for all of

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their work in this area. I also want to thank my advisor

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Maram Mosari Nicky Baa and Victor Smith for all of

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their work on examining this issue. Um advising me

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and looking into this matter, we at the commission

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have the responsibility to ensure safe and reliable

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operation of passenger carriers and we take that responsibility

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seriously. Staff have carefully considered this matter

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in submitting the proposed resolution to us for a vote

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It's important to note that the resolution before us

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recognizes that the department of Motor vehicles may

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suspend or revoke a carrier's permit if it determines

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based on the performance of its vehicles that the carrier's

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vehicles are not safe for the public's operation. The

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commission also has the authority pursuant to the public

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utilities code to initiate investigatory and or enforcement

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actions against its permits and may modify suspend

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or revoke an A B program authorization if warranted

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The resolutions also acknowledge continued and emerging

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challenges related to passenger and public safety as

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well as data collection reference. Some of which was

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referenced by Commissioner Shama in moving forward

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with phase one driverless autonomous vehicle passenger

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service deployment. The commission must ensure safe

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and reliable operation of passenger carriers as such

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We must approach the deployment of these technologies

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with caution. And to this end, the commission staff

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will continue to engage with stakeholders including

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meeting regularly with the industry, the city, the

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department of Motor vehicles, other go government entities

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and the public to continue the dialogue regarding the

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process and substance of updating our requirements

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for our A V program on an ongoing basis. And through

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um the rule making under Commissioner Shamas leadership

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for this program to work. It is critical that the industry

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work directly with the city to ensure one effective

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incident review and development of corrective actions

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and two to work towards effective standardization and

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training between first responders and the industry

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Something that I believe both the industry and the

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first responders committed to earlier this week. I

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strongly encourage the industry to meet regularly and

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share information with um first responders regarding

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all incidents of interaction between San Francisco

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emergency vehicles and personnel and driverless A VS

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and to identify of operations and training that can

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be standardized. Both the city and the industry should

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have appropriate personnel present to conduct these

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meetings and take sufficient time for these meetings

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to work through any issues and communicate the results

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of these meetings on a regular basis with our staff

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to ensure the commission continues to be updated on

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the status of the program. I ask my colleagues to join

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me in asking staff to come back in three months to

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provide an update to the commissioners and the public

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on the program if the resolutions are approved today

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um If we find an increase in traffic impediments, particularly

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as it relates to interaction with emergency responders

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staff should examine um options to modify the permits

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to place limits on the number of vehicles that could

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be on the road or suspend the programs if warranted

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the companies have met the requirements of decision

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2011 46 as set out in the resolutions and are in compliance

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with their department of motor vehicle permits that

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said I want to stress that issuance of approvals today

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would not alleviate any obligations for cruz or way

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o to comply with any existing or future requirements

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The commission may adopt going forward for operation

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of A B passenger programs or prevent suspension or

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revocation of permits if warranted a broad range of

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opinions have been presented to us by the public regarding

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the resolutions before us today, I do not take this

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decision lightly. The companies must understand that

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any decision to grant authority to either or both companies

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come with tremendous responsibility and they need to

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live up to this responsibility by putting safety first

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and foremost, which means close, continued and ongoing

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coordination and with San Francisco first responders

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the Department of Motor Vehicles and Commission staff

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Again, it's important that we as the commissioner stay

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informed as to the rollout of the program and the coordination

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between industry and emergency responders into this

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end. Again, I would like staff to come back in three

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months to provide an update to the commission and the

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public. I do believe that staff have demonstrated that

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the companies are in compliance with the requirements

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that were set out by the commission and the state and

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therefore will be voting to support the resolutions

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Thank you, Commissioner Hack. Um I'd like to just turn

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to executive Director Peterson just briefly given Commissioner

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Hacks, uh, comment about a staff report back. Uh Thank

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you. Um, Commissioner Halk and President Reynolds.

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Um Yes, we can come back to you in three months by

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my calculation that would be around the middle of November

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Um in order to provide a report on how the program

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is going. Um, you know, as I think we um know we

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are in still in the process of setting data and reporting

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requirements and that is under the leadership of Commissioner

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Chroma in the broader proceeding. And so we will endeavor

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to bring you what we can at that point, knowing that

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um, it might be still in, in the works and whatever

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we can make public and bring to you. We will. All right

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I heard take that as a yes, that you were brought back

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to the greatest extent possible. All right. Um Thank

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you, commissioners. Um I did want to start also by

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thanking Commissioner Sharo for her leadership in this

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proceeding and for what I anticipate will be continued

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work in the proceeding, both with our staff and the

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DMV to track progress and improve the operation and

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services of um A vs throughout the state. I also wanted

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to thank Commissioner Reynolds um as Commissioner Sharma's

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Bagley Ken, partner for his continued work on this

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proceeding. Um We heard a lot of discussion and comments

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today and I did want to emphasize a few points. Um

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I'll start by pointing to the resolutions themselves

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Staff has done a very thorough job of uh outlining

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the evidence and the data in these resolutions. We

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must base our decision on this data and evidence and

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on the proper scope of our authority. The C PC regulates

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private passenger carriers in the state including limos

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buses, ferries, trains, transportation, network companies

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and of course the subject of today's resolutions, autonomous

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vehicle companies. The CPC verifies that these companies

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have proper licenses, vehicle registrations and insurance

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and, and that they comply with rules to protect passengers

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and the public. In the case of A V companies, the state

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legislature has given the DMV the role of evaluating

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and granting licenses to operate and deploy A V services

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and the DMV registers vehicles enrolls their safety

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drivers, develops the regulations that ensure the safe

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operation of the vehicles and enforces regulatory compliance

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These duties include monitoring of autonomous vehicle

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performance and suspending or revoking operating authority

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when necessary. The advice letters before us as you've

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heard, provide crews and Waymo with authority to collect

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fares for their autonomous vehicle services in San

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Francisco during all hours of the day and night with

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limitations such as preventing prohibiting services

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from operating on certain streets and roads such as

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busy freeways. And as you've heard, this is an incremental

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approval. It builds on existing approvals and it's

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not the last action the CPUC or the DMV will be taking

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in regulating these vehicles. This is part of the ongoing

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process of oversight and testing of a new technology

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This process of course has been developing for a number

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of years with the DMV first granting authority for

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the vehicles to operate in California in 2014. And

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the Navy companies have been piloting autonomous passenger

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service since the C PC granting them authority in 2018

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including collecting fares in some circumstances. Additionally

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cities across the country are also testing and authorized

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authorizing these services. Um And as you heard at

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the all party meeting, for those of you who were in

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attendance on Monday, the conversation on how best

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to integrate AVIS into our communities is far from

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over. We'll work with our partner agency, the DMV to

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refine data reporting requirements. Consider the best

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strategies for coordinating with local governments

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and continue to improve communication with emergency

06:20:50.613 --> 06:20:54.363
responders and any requirements that are adopted in

06:20:54.373 --> 06:20:58.314
the future will apply to the services of A vs including

06:20:58.324 --> 06:21:02.754
in San Francisco. And as you've heard, we do expect

06:21:02.764 --> 06:21:06.004
companies the AV companies to engage with first responders

06:21:06.014 --> 06:21:08.893
with law enforcement, with city officials and we do

06:21:08.903 --> 06:21:13.903
expect actions to address concerns. In the meantime

06:21:13.913 --> 06:21:17.304
the resolutions before us do meet our requirements

06:21:17.314 --> 06:21:19.975
And for that reason, I will also be supporting them

06:21:22.274 --> 06:21:26.663
with that. I will now ask for a motion on item number

06:21:26.675 --> 06:21:29.465
two. We'll start with item number two. Is there a motion

06:21:30.113 --> 06:21:32.613
so moved. We have a motion by Commissioner Reynolds

06:21:32.623 --> 06:21:35.054
Is there a second

06:21:35.054 --> 06:21:38.623
second? Ok. We have a motion and a second agenda clerk

06:21:38.633 --> 06:21:41.653
Could you please call the roll? Commissioner John Reynolds

06:21:41.863 --> 06:21:45.393
Oh, I'm sorry, can we just, we'll start over. I did

06:21:45.403 --> 06:21:48.104
want to note that uh Commissioner Douglas is not in

06:21:48.113 --> 06:21:51.594
attendance today because of a necessary absence. And

06:21:51.604 --> 06:21:54.034
with that, a agenda clerk, could you please call the

06:21:54.045 --> 06:21:58.524
role on item two. Commissioner John Reynolds. Commissioner

06:22:00.054 --> 06:22:05.744
commissioner? No, President Alice Reynolds. Yes, the

06:22:05.754 --> 06:22:10.344
vote is 31. The item pass the motion passes. I'll now

06:22:10.354 --> 06:22:15.685
call for a vote on item three a motion. Do we have

06:22:15.695 --> 06:22:20.413
a motion on item three?

06:22:20.413 --> 06:22:23.455
So moved motion by Commissioner Reynolds. And is there

06:22:23.465 --> 06:22:27.004
a second? Second? Ok. Second by Commissioner Halk.

06:22:27.054 --> 06:22:30.064
Um I'm going to ask the agenda clerk to call the role

06:22:30.074 --> 06:22:33.824
on item three. and I wanted to note before you call

06:22:33.834 --> 06:22:36.465
the role agenda clerk that Commissioner Douglas is

06:22:36.475 --> 06:22:38.975
abs is, has a necessary absence. So she's not here

06:22:38.984 --> 06:22:45.185
today. Commissioner John Reynolds. Yes, Mr Halk. Commissioner

06:22:45.893 --> 06:22:50.675
no, President Alice Reynolds. Yes, the vote is 31.

06:22:50.903 --> 06:22:54.903
The item passes.

06:22:54.903 --> 06:23:00.984
All right, I will now move to item four.

06:23:00.984 --> 06:23:08.663
Item four is R 20 08022. And this is a proposed decision

06:23:08.675 --> 06:23:12.195
on an order. Instituting rule making, authorizes authorizing

06:23:12.205 --> 06:23:15.545
the expansion of the on bill financing programs for

06:23:15.554 --> 06:23:18.295
non residential customers administered by Pacific Gas

06:23:18.304 --> 06:23:21.024
and Electric, Southern California, Edison, Southern

06:23:21.034 --> 06:23:24.225
California Gas Company, and San Diego Gas and Electric

06:23:24.234 --> 06:23:28.163
to support clean energy technologies beyond energy

06:23:28.175 --> 06:23:30.675
efficiency.

06:23:30.675 --> 06:23:33.334
And Commissioner Shara, would you like to present this

06:23:33.344 --> 06:23:35.965
item? Thank you. Thank you, President Reynolds. I'm

06:23:35.975 --> 06:23:38.824
gonna give a truncated presentation given the lateness

06:23:38.834 --> 06:23:40.653
of the hour. That sounds good and I know there's a

06:23:40.663 --> 06:23:43.633
little noise with people um leaving the room but I

06:23:43.643 --> 06:23:46.445
think everyone can still hear you so feel free to go

06:23:46.455 --> 06:23:50.094
ahead. Ok. Thank you. Uh So financing strategies are

06:23:50.104 --> 06:23:53.215
becoming increasingly important as California gains

06:23:53.225 --> 06:23:58.024
traction, transitioning to a clean energy future. Achieving

06:23:58.034 --> 06:24:02.104
the goal of 100% clean energy by 2045 will require

06:24:02.113 --> 06:24:05.475
the involvement of Californians in all market sectors

06:24:05.913 --> 06:24:09.455
at unprecedented levels including those in urban, rural

06:24:09.465 --> 06:24:13.675
tribal and disproportionately burd communities to fully

06:24:13.685 --> 06:24:17.784
reach the state's goal. By 2045 or sooner, large numbers

06:24:17.795 --> 06:24:23.175
of electric heat, uh electric uh heat pump, water heaters

06:24:23.185 --> 06:24:26.024
electric space heaters, electric vehicle, charging

06:24:26.034 --> 06:24:28.893
infrastructure and energy efficiency measures will

06:24:28.903 --> 06:24:33.084
need to be purchased and installed. Um Many Californians

06:24:33.094 --> 06:24:36.383
struggle to pay for these improvements or will not

06:24:36.393 --> 06:24:39.784
make those technologies a priority for purchase without

06:24:39.795 --> 06:24:43.045
available financing. So this rule making intends to

06:24:43.054 --> 06:24:46.254
provide a comprehensive strategy for helping customers

06:24:46.264 --> 06:24:49.504
finance energy improvements for their homes and buildings

06:24:49.514 --> 06:24:52.594
and to expand the current financing programs to include

06:24:52.604 --> 06:24:55.564
clean energy technologies beyond energy efficiency

06:24:55.873 --> 06:24:59.514
It is designed to improve access to capital for energy

06:24:59.524 --> 06:25:02.955
improvements, improve equity and accessibility, increase

06:25:02.965 --> 06:25:06.945
customer protection and ensure financing programs backed

06:25:06.955 --> 06:25:10.494
by rate payer funding are targeted to attract investment

06:25:10.504 --> 06:25:15.725
by third party partners. It, this rule making coordinates

06:25:15.734 --> 06:25:19.045
across multiple commission proceedings with finance

06:25:19.054 --> 06:25:22.844
related options and works closely with our sister agencies

06:25:22.854 --> 06:25:25.363
The California Energy Commission, California Air Resources

06:25:25.373 --> 06:25:28.863
Board and the California Advanced Energy and Alternative

06:25:28.873 --> 06:25:32.685
Transportation Financing Authority or which is housed

06:25:32.695 --> 06:25:37.475
within the California Treasurer's office. Um uh The

06:25:37.484 --> 06:25:41.295
the proposed decision uh addresses clean energy financing

06:25:41.304 --> 06:25:44.354
proposals that were submitted uh as President Reynolds

06:25:44.363 --> 06:25:48.545
outlined from the utilities and also also Silicon Valley

06:25:48.554 --> 06:25:52.284
Clean Energy Authority and the local government sustainable

06:25:52.295 --> 06:25:56.393
energy coalition. This proposal approves many of the

06:25:56.403 --> 06:25:59.534
proposals denies others. Launches the next phase of

06:25:59.545 --> 06:26:03.403
this proceeding which will focus on new options for

06:26:03.413 --> 06:26:06.764
residential customers. This proposed decision focuses

06:26:06.774 --> 06:26:11.354
on commercial non residential customers. Uh There are

06:26:11.363 --> 06:26:13.854
existing on build financing programs that are well

06:26:13.863 --> 06:26:18.004
established and administered by the electric and gas

06:26:18.014 --> 06:26:22.334
utilities. They have a default rate of less than 1%

06:26:22.344 --> 06:26:25.725
and demonstrates that the utilities have have prudently

06:26:25.734 --> 06:26:29.004
administered their programs. The on bill financing

06:26:29.014 --> 06:26:34.295
programs provide loans ranging from $5000 to $250,000

06:26:34.475 --> 06:26:37.975
and for exceptional projects to a maximum of $4 million

06:26:37.984 --> 06:26:41.863
depending on the investor owned utility for energy

06:26:41.873 --> 06:26:45.534
efficiency upgrades paid through a fixed monthly installment

06:26:45.545 --> 06:26:49.163
on the customer's utility bill. The program uses rate

06:26:49.175 --> 06:26:53.284
payer dollars uh to fund a revolving loan pool. Uh

06:26:53.295 --> 06:26:56.945
offers loans with no interest, no finance charges or

06:26:56.955 --> 06:27:00.955
prepayment penalties. So now we are expanding these

06:27:00.965 --> 06:27:05.925
programs to include beyond energy efficiency. Uh things

06:27:05.935 --> 06:27:11.774
uh that um I think you mentioned solar storage uh um

06:27:11.784 --> 06:27:15.455
uh electric, electric vehicle infrastructure micro

06:27:16.034 --> 06:27:20.373
Now the program is being expanded as well. Uh They

06:27:20.383 --> 06:27:25.893
go green program. Uh And what we are doing there is

06:27:25.903 --> 06:27:32.804
that uh they they currently are authorized for uh 70%

06:27:32.814 --> 06:27:36.244
energy efficiency. Again, this, this decision expands

06:27:36.484 --> 06:27:40.205
uh these financing programs beyond energy efficiency

06:27:40.524 --> 06:27:44.074
Uh this proposed decision based on comments will allow

06:27:44.185 --> 06:27:51.965
uh to, to go up to 100% uh and also will allow

06:27:51.975 --> 06:27:56.975
for uh 30% of other kinds of clean energy equipment

06:27:57.074 --> 06:28:00.403
So, so basically, it will expand our sister agency's

06:28:00.413 --> 06:28:05.475
ability to provide financing for clean energy. There

06:28:05.484 --> 06:28:10.425
is going to be a new tariff on bill working group uh

06:28:10.435 --> 06:28:14.354
that uh effort for residents for residential customers

06:28:14.554 --> 06:28:18.324
uh is a, a little more complicated in terms of how

06:28:18.334 --> 06:28:22.504
does that financing occur on the bills and then should

06:28:22.514 --> 06:28:26.123
somebody sell their house? What happens to uh that

06:28:26.133 --> 06:28:29.754
loan? So there will be a working group. Uh Pacific

06:28:29.764 --> 06:28:32.244
Gas and Electric will be assigned as the lead. They

06:28:32.254 --> 06:28:35.295
have quite a bit of experience. Uh The Silicon Valley

06:28:35.304 --> 06:28:39.403
Clean Energy Authority tariffs on bill financing proposal

06:28:39.413 --> 06:28:42.004
will be a starting point. They will be a part of this

06:28:42.014 --> 06:28:45.163
working group. Uh And there will be an eye to assuring

06:28:45.175 --> 06:28:48.594
that stakeholder groups representing low income disadvantaged

06:28:48.604 --> 06:28:51.373
communities, travel communities and tenants are also

06:28:51.584 --> 06:28:56.965
uh involved. So, uh with that, I asked for your eye

06:28:56.975 --> 06:29:00.774
vote. I do have many to think by the way. So I

06:29:00.784 --> 06:29:04.643
I wanted to think, OK, testified Deputy executive Director

06:29:04.653 --> 06:29:08.084
for Energy and climate Policy, Simon Baker, Jim, Cali

06:29:08.354 --> 06:29:14.054
Hal, Peter Francis and Kevin, also our administrative

06:29:14.064 --> 06:29:18.844
law judge uh toy, also judge Sofia Park Legal Divisions

06:29:18.854 --> 06:29:23.024
Matt Kovich and Intern Malia Libby, also my bay partner

06:29:23.034 --> 06:29:26.094
Commissioner Darcy Hak, her chief of staff, Karen Sung

06:29:26.393 --> 06:29:30.675
advisors. Uh, Adam, uh I think I've been mispronouncing

06:29:30.685 --> 06:29:33.854
it, Blitz. I've been mispronouncing his name all this

06:29:33.863 --> 06:29:37.163
time. Intern Jill Ferguson from my office, my chief

06:29:37.175 --> 06:29:41.494
of Staff, Cheryl Wynn. Uh, and, uh, thank you, I ask

06:29:41.504 --> 06:29:43.685
for your eye vote.

06:29:43.685 --> 06:29:46.175
All right. Thank you. Uh Commissioner, how would you

06:29:46.185 --> 06:29:49.314
like to go next? Yes. Thank you. Uh, President Reynolds

06:29:49.324 --> 06:29:51.715
Um I'd first like to thank Commissioner She Roma for

06:29:51.725 --> 06:29:55.133
her leadership in this very important proceeding. Today's

06:29:55.143 --> 06:29:58.445
decision is a strong step forward in embedding equity

06:29:58.455 --> 06:30:01.175
into clean energy deployment in both residential and

06:30:01.185 --> 06:30:04.675
industrial sectors. While the commission and other

06:30:04.685 --> 06:30:07.653
state agencies and utilities have worked for decades

06:30:07.663 --> 06:30:12.354
to provide numerous rebates and incentives programs

06:30:12.363 --> 06:30:14.764
for residential energy efficiency and clean energy

06:30:14.774 --> 06:30:18.225
technologies. Our funding and financing solutions have

06:30:18.234 --> 06:30:22.133
left out many Californians, for example, rebates and

06:30:22.143 --> 06:30:25.534
incentives function as coupons which exclude those

06:30:25.545 --> 06:30:29.844
without enough disposable income to make up the difference

06:30:29.854 --> 06:30:32.965
and loan programs exclude renters and anyone unable

06:30:32.975 --> 06:30:36.215
or unwilling to take on debt because access to debt

06:30:36.225 --> 06:30:38.965
is restricted based on income, credit score and renter

06:30:38.975 --> 06:30:41.804
status. Disadvantaged communities are disproportionately

06:30:41.814 --> 06:30:45.304
affected by this systematic disqualification from our

06:30:45.314 --> 06:30:49.054
new clean energy economy and recognition that the surest

06:30:49.064 --> 06:30:51.534
path to reaching our state climate targets must be

06:30:51.545 --> 06:30:54.663
an inclusive one. Today's clean energy finance decision

06:30:54.854 --> 06:30:58.264
will form a tariff on bill inclusive utility investment

06:30:58.274 --> 06:31:01.074
working group that aims to make home upgrades for energy

06:31:01.084 --> 06:31:04.534
efficiency and other related technologies accessible

06:31:04.545 --> 06:31:07.715
without any out of pocket expenses or incurring debt

06:31:08.133 --> 06:31:10.695
At the conclusion of the working group, all investor

06:31:10.705 --> 06:31:13.734
owned utilities and Silicon Valley Clean Energy are

06:31:13.744 --> 06:31:17.175
to file a joint proposal for inclusive utility investment

06:31:17.304 --> 06:31:20.455
based on the robust consumer protections embedded in

06:31:20.465 --> 06:31:23.344
pay as you save programs which have been highlighted

06:31:23.354 --> 06:31:26.754
by the US Environmental Protection Agency. This decision

06:31:26.764 --> 06:31:29.883
also expands existing debt based on bill financing

06:31:29.893 --> 06:31:32.913
programs for non residential customers to support clean

06:31:32.925 --> 06:31:36.955
energy technologies beyond energy efficiency and approves

06:31:37.514 --> 06:31:40.844
the California alternative Energy and advanced Transportation

06:31:40.893 --> 06:31:44.304
Financing Authority proposal to expand the clean energy

06:31:44.314 --> 06:31:47.524
technologies eligible under the California hub for

06:31:47.534 --> 06:31:51.094
energy efficiency financing programs. Um So again,

06:31:51.104 --> 06:31:53.925
I want to thank Commissioner Sharo for all of her work

06:31:53.935 --> 06:31:57.304
in this historic decision. I want to thank Judge Park

06:31:57.504 --> 06:32:03.475
Judge Toy Peter Franzi, Kevin, um Bay Ha Kane Jennifer

06:32:03.484 --> 06:32:07.613
Cali legal divisions. Matt Yo, uh my former advisor

06:32:07.623 --> 06:32:11.413
Adam Buchholtz, my intern Joe Ferguson and my chief

06:32:11.425 --> 06:32:14.064
of staff, Karen Sung for all of their hard work and

06:32:14.074 --> 06:32:17.274
dedication on this important matter. So, thank you

06:32:17.604 --> 06:32:20.074
Thank you, Commissioner Commissioner Reynolds. Thank

06:32:20.084 --> 06:32:22.795
you, President Reynolds. I would also like to thank

06:32:22.804 --> 06:32:25.264
Commissioner Chroma for her leadership and for her

06:32:25.274 --> 06:32:27.883
office's work on this critical rulemaking to expand

06:32:27.893 --> 06:32:30.445
clean energy financing options. And I want to thank

06:32:30.455 --> 06:32:32.975
Judge Choi for responding to my office's questions

06:32:32.984 --> 06:32:35.314
about this PD

06:32:35.314 --> 06:32:37.324
in my mind. What makes this rulemaking so critical

06:32:37.334 --> 06:32:40.195
so crucial is that we're implicitly recognizing the

06:32:40.205 --> 06:32:42.863
importance of financing and recognizing that customers

06:32:42.873 --> 06:32:45.705
can face barriers to deployment of critical technologies

06:32:45.715 --> 06:32:48.824
because of a lack of financing. It's here that this

06:32:48.834 --> 06:32:51.965
rule making becomes key. We need new and creative ways

06:32:51.975 --> 06:32:54.205
to finance projects if we're going to hit our climate

06:32:54.215 --> 06:32:57.195
goals. And I'm glad to see this PD expand on built

06:32:57.205 --> 06:33:00.784
financing for a portion of our customers. I want to

06:33:00.795 --> 06:33:03.643
acknowledge as, as has been discussed, but there's

06:33:03.653 --> 06:33:06.133
still much work to be done here as this proceeding

06:33:06.143 --> 06:33:09.685
will remain open to vet proposals to enable residential

06:33:09.695 --> 06:33:12.084
customers to engage in similar financing strategies

06:33:12.734 --> 06:33:14.893
I look forward to seeing what parties come up with

06:33:14.903 --> 06:33:17.804
and want to encourage them to focus on financing solutions

06:33:17.814 --> 06:33:20.814
that will focus on expanding clean energy access to

06:33:20.824 --> 06:33:23.764
communities historically left out or left behind in

06:33:23.774 --> 06:33:26.123
this transition with that. I will be supporting this

06:33:26.133 --> 06:33:30.844
decision. Thank you. Great. Um I will start by piling

06:33:30.854 --> 06:33:33.185
on my thanks to Commissioner Chroma. She really does

06:33:33.195 --> 06:33:36.254
have, has done a wonderful job in uh leading on this

06:33:36.264 --> 06:33:39.195
um proceeding and also would like to thank her uh chief

06:33:39.205 --> 06:33:42.254
of staff, Sheryl Winn and then specifically Energy

06:33:42.264 --> 06:33:45.795
division staff um would like to thank them for offering

06:33:45.804 --> 06:33:48.715
answering the questions from my office on this proceeding

06:33:48.725 --> 06:33:54.954
including um Peter Fr Easy. Uh Kevin, uh I've been

06:33:54.963 --> 06:33:58.805
pronouncing names all day. Um I'm gonna get this wrong

06:33:58.874 --> 06:34:03.825
Um Kevin Fey, uh Hal Kane and Jen Cali and then also

06:34:03.834 --> 06:34:07.414
um my chief of staff uh carry Fleischer. Uh I'll start

06:34:07.423 --> 06:34:10.854
by saying I'll be supporting this uh proposed decision

06:34:10.865 --> 06:34:14.345
and I do appreciate how stakeholders have put forth

06:34:14.354 --> 06:34:19.023
um thoughtful proposals on how to expand the existing

06:34:19.034 --> 06:34:21.733
non residential on bill financing program so that it

06:34:21.744 --> 06:34:24.784
can evolve to help us reach a high electrification

06:34:24.795 --> 06:34:29.325
future faster. And it's really wise in my mind that

06:34:29.334 --> 06:34:32.483
this proposed decision leverages already authorized

06:34:32.494 --> 06:34:35.724
and underutilized rapa funds to test a new approach

06:34:35.733 --> 06:34:38.905
with oversight, annual oversight checkpoints. And I

06:34:38.914 --> 06:34:42.124
also think it's prudent that the PD defers adopting

06:34:42.135 --> 06:34:44.854
a tariff on Bell financing pilot for the residential

06:34:44.865 --> 06:34:48.014
sector until a working group can pressure test all

06:34:48.023 --> 06:34:51.624
of the creating ideas put forth by the parties. There's

06:34:51.635 --> 06:34:56.463
a lot of promise here and the proceeding is, is appropriately

06:34:56.474 --> 06:35:00.314
taking a careful approach when contemplating complex

06:35:00.325 --> 06:35:03.325
financing tools that will impact consumers and their

06:35:03.334 --> 06:35:06.963
homes in the past. In the state of California, we've

06:35:06.974 --> 06:35:09.943
unfortunately witnessed unintended consequences through

06:35:09.954 --> 06:35:13.084
well intentioned programs like pace financing for the

06:35:13.095 --> 06:35:16.894
residential solar industry. So I that's why I'm very

06:35:16.905 --> 06:35:19.805
grateful for the long list of pointed questions that

06:35:19.814 --> 06:35:22.764
the PD poses to the parties on critical issues like

06:35:22.773 --> 06:35:26.213
bill savings estimates, disclosures and disconnections

06:35:27.584 --> 06:35:31.095
Um With that, uh I will be looking forward to keeping

06:35:31.104 --> 06:35:34.974
my eye on the working group um and I will be uh

06:35:34.983 --> 06:35:38.795
and reviewing the joint proposal. So thank you to everyone

06:35:38.805 --> 06:35:42.045
for their work on this proceeding and I will now call

06:35:42.055 --> 06:35:45.284
for a vote

06:35:45.284 --> 06:35:49.264
on the PD. So let's see. We're on item number four

06:35:49.733 --> 06:35:53.673
and I need to ask for. So a motion on item number

06:35:53.684 --> 06:35:57.273
four. Do we have a motion? I'll make the motion. All

06:35:57.284 --> 06:35:59.704
right. Uh, motion by Commissioner Chroma. Is there

06:35:59.713 --> 06:36:04.494
a second? A 2nd 2nd, from Commissioner Houk. So we

06:36:04.503 --> 06:36:08.845
have a motion and a second on item four. And um, I

06:36:08.854 --> 06:36:12.264
will note that Commissioner Douglas is not present

06:36:12.273 --> 06:36:15.144
uh, she's necessarily absent. And with that, I'll ask

06:36:15.155 --> 06:36:24.233
the agenda clerk to call the role, John

06:36:24.233 --> 06:36:26.443
Alice Reynolds.

06:36:26.443 --> 06:36:30.994
The vote is 40. The item passes, I'll now move to item

06:36:31.003 --> 06:36:37.314
six. Item six is resolution T dash 17794. It approves

06:36:37.325 --> 06:36:44.295
four grants totaling $997,480. Uh In the digital divide

06:36:44.305 --> 06:36:48.414
grant program, pilot reuse uh to reduce the digital

06:36:48.423 --> 06:36:51.894
divide in nine schools located in low income urban

06:36:51.905 --> 06:36:55.244
and rural areas. I'll turn to uh executive director

06:36:55.253 --> 06:36:59.164
Peterson to present this resolution. Thank you, President

06:36:59.173 --> 06:37:01.595
Reynolds and Commissioners. I'll also do a truncated

06:37:01.604 --> 06:37:06.144
presentation in recognition of the hour. Um staff recommends

06:37:06.155 --> 06:37:09.744
approval of these four grant awards which will go to

06:37:09.753 --> 06:37:13.664
four community-based organizations outside the lens

06:37:13.673 --> 06:37:18.414
Human it, the small school district association and

06:37:18.423 --> 06:37:23.115
thrive each one will support digital access initiatives

06:37:23.124 --> 06:37:27.273
in low income, urban and rural areas. They'll be serving

06:37:27.284 --> 06:37:31.483
schools in San Diego, Ino County, Modoc County and

06:37:31.494 --> 06:37:34.814
Kern County and all of the schools that will be served

06:37:34.825 --> 06:37:38.295
to have a majority of students or all of their students

06:37:38.334 --> 06:37:41.555
eligible for the free and reduced price school lunch

06:37:41.564 --> 06:37:45.314
program. I did have snapshots prepared of each one

06:37:45.325 --> 06:37:47.943
in the interest of time. I would like to only provide

06:37:47.954 --> 06:37:50.564
a description of one of them because I think that these

06:37:50.575 --> 06:37:53.305
stories are quite um they're the reason that we do

06:37:53.314 --> 06:37:58.664
these grants um thrive thrive is an organization that

06:37:58.673 --> 06:38:02.365
will support two rural schools in Modoc County which

06:38:02.374 --> 06:38:06.264
includes students from the Fort Bidwell Indian community

06:38:06.655 --> 06:38:10.273
thrive has decades of experience. Implementing community

06:38:10.284 --> 06:38:14.664
based projects in schools thrives project will include

06:38:14.673 --> 06:38:21.545
a hot spot for connectivity for 115 students with prepaid

06:38:21.555 --> 06:38:25.845
data plans for 12 months, an ipad or chromebook for

06:38:25.854 --> 06:38:30.273
each student, six charging carts to facilitate charging

06:38:30.443 --> 06:38:33.934
workshops and training sessions for the students and

06:38:33.943 --> 06:38:38.233
for their families on device usage, safety, digital

06:38:38.244 --> 06:38:41.684
citizenship and career development partnership with

06:38:41.693 --> 06:38:45.365
Arizona State University and Copernicus Solutions to

06:38:45.374 --> 06:38:48.213
offer professional development for teachers and school

06:38:48.224 --> 06:38:50.805
staff so that they can make sure that the learning

06:38:50.814 --> 06:38:54.334
is maximized with the new devices and the connectivity

06:38:54.595 --> 06:38:58.845
And last a access to online courses through a su prep

06:38:59.604 --> 06:39:02.943
This is just one of the very worthy four projects that

06:39:02.954 --> 06:39:06.934
we'll be funding with these grant uh proposals today

06:39:06.943 --> 06:39:10.334
Pursuant to your vote, I've had the privilege of presenting

06:39:10.345 --> 06:39:13.503
this to you, but I definitely want to mention and thank

06:39:13.514 --> 06:39:17.095
the Community Communications division staff who worked

06:39:17.104 --> 06:39:20.764
on these grant applications. The staff team is Carole

06:39:21.193 --> 06:39:26.075
Daniel, Lukin Leia Serpas and their supervisor, Lena

06:39:26.084 --> 06:39:29.385
Coy and they had assistance from attorney Lisa Marie

06:39:29.394 --> 06:39:33.104
Clark. Thank you commissioners. Uh And I'm happy to

06:39:33.115 --> 06:39:37.204
answer any questions. Thank you, Miss Peterson. Um

06:39:37.213 --> 06:39:41.124
comments on this item, Commissioner hack.

06:39:41.124 --> 06:39:45.135
I just want to thank you. Um, Director Peterson. I'm

06:39:45.144 --> 06:39:47.644
pleased to support this resolution that approves a

06:39:47.655 --> 06:39:51.034
million dollars for the four digital divide grant programs

06:39:51.193 --> 06:39:54.334
These grants provide support to nine rural and urban

06:39:54.345 --> 06:39:57.045
low income schools in California to provide digital

06:39:57.055 --> 06:40:00.814
literacy training, take home devices, broadband connections

06:40:00.825 --> 06:40:04.434
and teacher training, broadband availability by itself

06:40:04.443 --> 06:40:07.095
will not close the digital divide if we do not provide

06:40:07.104 --> 06:40:09.463
our students and teachers the skills to utilize the

06:40:09.474 --> 06:40:13.034
full benefits of the essential services. And therefore

06:40:13.045 --> 06:40:15.514
I look forward to seeing these grants implemented to

06:40:15.523 --> 06:40:17.943
further our collective efforts to close the digital

06:40:17.954 --> 06:40:20.624
divide. And I want to join in thanking the communications

06:40:20.635 --> 06:40:24.325
to staff that director Peterson referenced my advisor

06:40:24.334 --> 06:40:27.854
um Nicky Baa and uh Director Osborne for all of their

06:40:27.865 --> 06:40:31.795
work on this. Great Commissioner Sharma. Thank you

06:40:32.144 --> 06:40:35.753
Uh simply put, I appreciate the continued progress

06:40:35.764 --> 06:40:41.084
being made in low income and rural uh schools, digital

06:40:41.095 --> 06:40:44.514
literacy is so important to the success of students

06:40:44.523 --> 06:40:49.954
and for uh going into adulthood. Hood. Thank you, Commissioner

06:40:49.963 --> 06:40:53.514
Reynolds. Thank you. I'll be brief. Uh I'd like to

06:40:53.523 --> 06:40:55.744
echo the thanks for the communications division in

06:40:55.753 --> 06:40:58.325
preparing this resolution for us today. I'm looking

06:40:58.334 --> 06:41:00.564
forward to following the progress of each of these

06:41:00.575 --> 06:41:03.374
grant recipients. And I look forward to our agency

06:41:03.385 --> 06:41:05.994
receiving the progress report within four months of

06:41:06.003 --> 06:41:07.923
implementation. I'll be supporting this item. Thank

06:41:07.934 --> 06:41:12.034
you. Great. Thanks. I am really pleased to be supporting

06:41:12.045 --> 06:41:15.264
uh this resolution as well. I'll just note that um

06:41:15.273 --> 06:41:19.483
this program was created 20 years ago by the late assembly

06:41:19.494 --> 06:41:23.604
member Marco Antonio Firebaugh. Um and the program

06:41:23.615 --> 06:41:26.664
at the time was way ahead of its time. And so I'm

06:41:26.673 --> 06:41:30.305
just thrilled to see it um come to fruition now. And

06:41:30.744 --> 06:41:34.894
the community organizations that are being funded today

06:41:34.905 --> 06:41:38.115
will provide invaluable services to school districts

06:41:38.354 --> 06:41:41.115
across the state. They'll be providing digital literacy

06:41:41.124 --> 06:41:44.854
training, take home uh devices, broadband connections

06:41:44.865 --> 06:41:47.615
and teacher training and will serve, serve approximately

06:41:47.624 --> 06:41:53.494
777 students. And we all know how important um these

06:41:53.503 --> 06:41:57.534
items are for students across the state. Um The program

06:41:57.545 --> 06:42:00.943
also is just one part of our larger broadband for all

06:42:00.954 --> 06:42:04.414
effort. Um And so I'm just really pleased to be supporting

06:42:04.423 --> 06:42:07.764
this individual um piece. I think it, it will make

06:42:07.773 --> 06:42:11.584
a real difference in the students lives. And so I just

06:42:11.595 --> 06:42:15.104
wanted to celebrate that for a minute. And um we'll

06:42:15.115 --> 06:42:21.914
ask for a motion on uh item six.

06:42:21.914 --> 06:42:24.463
So, all right, a motion from Commissioner Reynolds

06:42:24.474 --> 06:42:27.664
Is there a 2nd 2nd, 2nd from Commissioner Hawk. Um

06:42:27.673 --> 06:42:31.724
Before we vote on the motion on item six, I'll note

06:42:31.733 --> 06:42:35.034
that uh Commissioner Douglas is necessarily absent

06:42:35.295 --> 06:42:38.503
and I will ask the agenda clerk to call the roll. Commissioner

06:42:38.514 --> 06:42:44.635
John Reynolds. Commissioner Commissioner

06:42:44.635 --> 06:42:48.865
Alice Reynolds. Yes, the vote is 40. The item passes

06:42:50.534 --> 06:42:55.914
All right. The next item is item 32. Um, this is a

06:42:55.923 --> 06:43:02.365
21 09008. It's an application of Pacific Gas and electric

06:43:02.814 --> 06:43:06.405
um for recovery of recorded expenditures related to

06:43:06.414 --> 06:43:08.845
welfare, mitigation, catastrophic events and other

06:43:08.854 --> 06:43:15.314
recorded um costs. Um I will be introducing this item

06:43:15.325 --> 06:43:19.744
I will try to keep it brief given the late hour, but

06:43:19.753 --> 06:43:22.443
I did want to provide a bit of an explanation. The

06:43:22.454 --> 06:43:25.434
proposed decision relates to an application filed by

06:43:25.443 --> 06:43:31.064
PGE seeking recovery of recorded expenditures incurred

06:43:31.075 --> 06:43:36.385
primarily in 2019 and 22,020 related to wildfire mitigation

06:43:36.624 --> 06:43:40.905
and to respond to catastrophic events. The proposed

06:43:40.914 --> 06:43:44.253
decision approves an uncontested partial settlement

06:43:44.264 --> 06:43:48.295
agreement among PGE the Public Advocates Office and

06:43:48.305 --> 06:43:51.615
the Utility reform Network under which PG and E may

06:43:51.624 --> 06:43:57.095
recover 831 million in costs consisting of 681 million

06:43:57.104 --> 06:43:59.943
associated with operations and maintenance expenses

06:44:00.273 --> 06:44:03.795
and 150 million associated with capital expenditures

06:44:04.523 --> 06:44:09.295
Um So unlike uh capital expenses, utilities don't earn

06:44:09.305 --> 06:44:12.753
a um return on O and M expenses which constitute a

06:44:12.764 --> 06:44:16.055
majority of the costs that may be recovered by PGE

06:44:16.064 --> 06:44:22.503
under the terms of the settlement. Um So the um just

06:44:22.514 --> 06:44:25.773
you know, in raising this uh in bringing this um proposed

06:44:25.784 --> 06:44:29.164
decision uh today or, or highlighting it, I wanted

06:44:29.173 --> 06:44:32.943
to take the opportunity to really underscore the significance

06:44:32.954 --> 06:44:36.545
of wildfire mitigation activities and what the CPUC

06:44:36.555 --> 06:44:39.345
is doing to address the continued risk of catastrophic

06:44:39.354 --> 06:44:43.983
events. Um Most of our activities are um a collaboration

06:44:43.994 --> 06:44:47.624
with the Office of Energy Safety um Energy Infrastructure

06:44:47.635 --> 06:44:50.943
Safety. And in July, I'll just note that we held our

06:44:50.954 --> 06:44:53.963
third annual Utility Safety briefings and we heard

06:44:53.974 --> 06:44:56.994
from all three, all of the IO us on their welfare prevention

06:44:57.003 --> 06:45:00.045
programs and related action. So again, this settlement

06:45:00.055 --> 06:45:03.104
is just a piece of a larger picture of activities that

06:45:03.115 --> 06:45:06.545
we have going on at the puc and in cooperation with

06:45:06.555 --> 06:45:10.244
our sister agencies. I wanted to thank the parties

06:45:10.253 --> 06:45:13.023
for working together to settle these contested issues

06:45:13.034 --> 06:45:17.534
And I also want to thank Judge um Camil Watz um and

06:45:17.545 --> 06:45:20.075
to staff who worked on this proceeding, Julia Ende

06:45:20.124 --> 06:45:25.385
Franz Chang, Sarah Thomas Matt Jovic, and also my advisor

06:45:25.394 --> 06:45:29.635
Drew Holl and my advisor Simmy George. Um with that

06:45:29.644 --> 06:45:33.173
I will ask for a motion on item 32 or no. I'm

06:45:33.184 --> 06:45:35.273
sorry. I'm going to let the other commissioners speak

06:45:35.284 --> 06:45:39.555
to um who would like to go first. Commissioner Reynolds

06:45:40.045 --> 06:45:43.463
Thank you, President Reynolds. I want to start by thanking

06:45:43.474 --> 06:45:46.233
you for your leadership on this important application

06:45:46.244 --> 06:45:49.115
And I also want to extend my thanks to Judge Zaga for

06:45:49.124 --> 06:45:51.773
answering my office's questions about this decision

06:45:52.144 --> 06:45:55.454
and the underlying settlement agreement,

06:45:55.454 --> 06:45:58.503
the settlement agreement is a positive example of stakeholders

06:45:58.514 --> 06:46:01.253
before our commission engaging constructively to agree

06:46:01.264 --> 06:46:04.474
on a set of complex financial considerations. Settlements

06:46:04.483 --> 06:46:07.224
are never easy and require compromise in the engagement

06:46:07.233 --> 06:46:09.914
of everyone involved. I want to thank the parties for

06:46:09.923 --> 06:46:12.434
engaging constructively and coming to a resolution

06:46:12.443 --> 06:46:14.624
on many of the underlying issues in this application

06:46:15.753 --> 06:46:20.084
I also want to echo um the importance of the underlying

06:46:20.095 --> 06:46:23.784
wildfire mitigation work that's connected to portions

06:46:23.795 --> 06:46:25.655
of the settlement agreement. I'll be supporting this

06:46:25.664 --> 06:46:29.414
decision. Thank you. Thank you, uh, Commissioner Hawk

06:46:29.983 --> 06:46:32.213
Uh I just wanted to thank you, President Reynolds for

06:46:32.224 --> 06:46:35.104
your leadership and all of the staff um that worked

06:46:35.115 --> 06:46:37.874
on this, particularly Sarah Thomas who helped answer

06:46:37.885 --> 06:46:41.545
questions for my office and my chief of staff, Karen

06:46:41.555 --> 06:46:47.253
Sung Commission Sharma. I just want to echo and acknowledge

06:46:47.264 --> 06:46:51.213
the tremendous amount of work that went into this settlement

06:46:51.224 --> 06:46:55.454
for this first batch of expenses. I'm in support. Thank

06:46:55.463 --> 06:46:59.253
you. All right. Wonderful. Um Now I will ask for a

06:46:59.264 --> 06:47:04.213
motion on item 32. I'll move it. Ok. We have a motion

06:47:04.224 --> 06:47:07.523
from Commissioner Chroma. Is there a second second

06:47:07.814 --> 06:47:11.934
Ok. With a motion and a second on item 32. Um I

06:47:11.943 --> 06:47:15.423
want to turn to the agenda clerk and note that uh Commissioner

06:47:15.434 --> 06:47:18.854
Douglas is necessarily absent and I'll ask the agenda

06:47:18.865 --> 06:47:22.983
clerk to call the roll. John Reynolds commissioner

06:47:27.923 --> 06:47:32.983
Yes, the vote is 40. The item passes and now we move

06:47:32.994 --> 06:47:37.624
to item 33 item 33 is management report on administrative

06:47:37.635 --> 06:47:40.713
actions and consumer protection and safety activities

06:47:41.014 --> 06:47:43.874
We do have a management report today. Um, Executive

06:47:43.885 --> 06:47:46.503
director, uh Peterson. Uh, would you like to start

06:47:46.514 --> 06:47:49.584
the management report? Yes. Thank you, President Reynolds

06:47:49.595 --> 06:47:52.295
and Commissioners. Now, noting the late hour, what

06:47:52.305 --> 06:47:56.264
I'm about to do is introduce our summer interns. It

06:47:56.273 --> 06:47:59.684
wasn't part of their job description to stay until

06:47:59.693 --> 06:48:03.604
6:40 p.m. at a voting meeting there might I believe

06:48:03.615 --> 06:48:07.764
they've all departed, but at least I can present this

06:48:07.773 --> 06:48:10.624
to you and we can give them their recording to watch

06:48:10.635 --> 06:48:13.664
tomorrow. Um I think it's such a special thing that

06:48:13.673 --> 06:48:17.173
we have interns here during the summer at the CPUC

06:48:17.365 --> 06:48:20.233
You heard about A LJS and legals and the ones I'll

06:48:20.244 --> 06:48:24.385
talk about today are in, have been working in our consumer

06:48:24.394 --> 06:48:27.604
protection and enforcement division, Energy Division

06:48:27.795 --> 06:48:33.905
and hr and it divisions. OK, Sean Vincent in the Consumer

06:48:33.914 --> 06:48:37.434
protection and enforcement division. Uh Sean is from

06:48:37.443 --> 06:48:41.115
the Bay area and he joined the Transportation Licensing

06:48:41.124 --> 06:48:44.805
and Analysis branch this summer after his first year

06:48:44.814 --> 06:48:47.784
at the University of California College of the Law

06:48:47.795 --> 06:48:51.773
San Francisco. He conducted research and analysis on

06:48:51.784 --> 06:48:56.023
issues including the clean miles standard and the applicability

06:48:56.034 --> 06:48:59.664
of existing transportation regulations to the next

06:48:59.673 --> 06:49:02.954
generation of transportation technologies. He enjoys

06:49:02.963 --> 06:49:06.365
hiking in the East Bay and visiting new restaurants

06:49:07.233 --> 06:49:11.454
in energy division. Evan Chen is from San Francisco

06:49:11.463 --> 06:49:15.193
and is an incoming senior at UC Berkeley majoring in

06:49:15.204 --> 06:49:19.204
economics and mining in data science. This summer,

06:49:19.213 --> 06:49:22.253
Evan has been supporting energy divisions, compliance

06:49:22.264 --> 06:49:25.724
with ordering paragraphs by researching and identifying

06:49:25.733 --> 06:49:29.503
commission orders involving energy and climate initiatives

06:49:29.753 --> 06:49:33.604
His interests lie in the intersection of data and policy

06:49:33.615 --> 06:49:39.115
making. Moon Moon is an incoming fourth year at UC

06:49:39.124 --> 06:49:42.914
Davis pursuing a degree in civil and environmental

06:49:42.923 --> 06:49:46.733
engineering with a focus on transportation. This summer

06:49:46.744 --> 06:49:50.264
she has also been supporting energy divisions compliance

06:49:50.273 --> 06:49:53.523
with ordering paragraphs by similarly researching and

06:49:53.534 --> 06:49:56.784
identifying commission orders involving energy and

06:49:56.795 --> 06:50:00.055
climate initiatives. She is from San Francisco and

06:50:00.064 --> 06:50:04.555
enjoys outdoor activities and has run three half marathons

06:50:05.173 --> 06:50:10.213
Spencer. Goldstein. Spencer is a rising senior studying

06:50:10.224 --> 06:50:14.295
genetics and plant biology at UC Berkeley. This summer

06:50:14.305 --> 06:50:18.104
Spencer is interning with the gas cost and rates section

06:50:18.374 --> 06:50:21.264
and is working on the implementation of the cost and

06:50:21.273 --> 06:50:25.545
rate tracker tool. An excel workbook used to model

06:50:25.555 --> 06:50:28.483
the residential bill impacts of pending proceedings

06:50:28.644 --> 06:50:31.615
In his free time, you can find him at the beach hiking

06:50:31.624 --> 06:50:35.354
or exploring the bay area with his friends. Devin.

06:50:35.365 --> 06:50:40.003
Hunter Devin is a graduate of UC Merced with a Bachelor

06:50:40.014 --> 06:50:43.244
of Arts in economics and is pursuing a master's degree

06:50:43.253 --> 06:50:47.934
in economics at CS U Sacramento. He's joined the CPU

06:50:47.943 --> 06:50:51.744
CS Energy Division and has assisted the customer generation

06:50:51.753 --> 06:50:55.604
team. He's interested in understanding how renewable

06:50:55.615 --> 06:50:59.164
energy projects can be valued by the time of day that

06:50:59.173 --> 06:51:03.874
the resource generates energy. We'd also like to congratulate

06:51:03.885 --> 06:51:08.064
Devon on the birth of his son. Reel this June during

06:51:08.075 --> 06:51:11.865
his internship, Kel, if you're listening, it is never

06:51:11.874 --> 06:51:15.084
too early to start thinking about a career at the CPUC

06:51:16.704 --> 06:51:21.463
Krishna Harri holds bachelors and Masters of Technology

06:51:21.474 --> 06:51:25.295
degrees in chemical engineering and is currently completing

06:51:25.305 --> 06:51:29.604
a master's degree in public policy at UC Berkeley is

06:51:29.615 --> 06:51:32.764
working within energy division and contributing to

06:51:32.773 --> 06:51:37.173
a project exploring rate based solutions for effective

06:51:37.184 --> 06:51:41.213
distribution system management. Now I'll turn to our

06:51:41.224 --> 06:51:48.295
hr and it interns. Hr Devon Williams. Devon is a communications

06:51:48.305 --> 06:51:51.934
major at Sacramento State and is entering his final

06:51:51.943 --> 06:51:55.744
semester in the fall. Devon works in the talent acquisition

06:51:55.753 --> 06:51:59.905
unit in HR where he assists with big picture recruitment

06:51:59.914 --> 06:52:04.155
efforts like championing direct out outreach to collegiate

06:52:04.164 --> 06:52:07.825
departments with the goal of finding new talent pipelines

06:52:07.834 --> 06:52:12.414
for the CPUC in his free time, Devon enjoys exercising

06:52:12.423 --> 06:52:17.575
lifting weights and video games. Emily, Ne Emily will

06:52:17.584 --> 06:52:21.545
be starting her senior year of high school and has

06:52:21.555 --> 06:52:24.744
worked in the Sacramento hr office this summer. I'm

06:52:24.753 --> 06:52:26.805
so delighted when we have high school students working

06:52:26.814 --> 06:52:30.684
with us. Emily is currently assisting hr with making

06:52:30.693 --> 06:52:34.795
documents available online so that staff has easier

06:52:34.805 --> 06:52:39.514
access and hr has streamlined processes. This is her

06:52:39.523 --> 06:52:42.624
first job and she's taking the opportunity to gain

06:52:42.635 --> 06:52:47.744
experience for her future growth, information technology

06:52:47.753 --> 06:52:51.773
Lindsay de Lindsay is a college student at San Francisco

06:52:51.784 --> 06:52:55.193
State University majoring in accounting with a minor

06:52:55.204 --> 06:52:59.003
in information systems. Lindsay is is assigned to the

06:52:59.014 --> 06:53:01.994
It service desk where she assists with the deployment

06:53:02.003 --> 06:53:05.443
and disposal of computer equipment. Lindsay is a San

06:53:05.454 --> 06:53:08.193
Francisco native in her free time. She likes to watch

06:53:08.204 --> 06:53:14.204
TV, shows youtube and listen to music. Davis. Davis

06:53:14.213 --> 06:53:18.064
is a freshman at San Francisco State University majoring

06:53:18.075 --> 06:53:21.523
in computer science. Davis is assigned also to the

06:53:21.534 --> 06:53:24.753
it service desk and is working on the deployment and

06:53:24.764 --> 06:53:27.624
disposal of computer equipment and with fulfilling

06:53:27.635 --> 06:53:31.385
requests for hotel and configurations. Davis is always

06:53:31.394 --> 06:53:34.423
looking forward to learning and meeting new people

06:53:36.084 --> 06:53:37.624
No,

06:53:37.624 --> 06:53:41.173
Maddy is a senior at Cal State Sacramento where he's

06:53:41.184 --> 06:53:44.994
pursuing a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science. His

06:53:45.003 --> 06:53:48.305
internship this summer has also been at the IT service

06:53:48.314 --> 06:53:52.764
desk helping CPC employees with their technology issues

06:53:52.773 --> 06:53:57.144
and working on fulfilling requests for hotel configurations

06:53:57.825 --> 06:54:01.555
Elton Wang Elton is working toward a Bachelor of Science

06:54:01.564 --> 06:54:04.994
in Business Administration with a concentration in

06:54:05.003 --> 06:54:09.124
management information systems at San Jose State University

06:54:09.354 --> 06:54:12.385
He has been working on fixing a bug with our preceding

06:54:12.394 --> 06:54:16.334
common online form. He's been learning oracle Apex

06:54:16.345 --> 06:54:20.055
and working with our data analytics tableau software

06:54:20.213 --> 06:54:24.523
Elton has a keen interest in the intersection of information

06:54:24.534 --> 06:54:29.704
technology and project management. Cayman Ribald o'keefe

06:54:30.405 --> 06:54:33.463
Kaman is working toward a Bachelor of Science in Computer

06:54:33.474 --> 06:54:37.095
Science at San Francisco State during his internship

06:54:37.104 --> 06:54:40.155
in our software development section in it. This summer

06:54:40.284 --> 06:54:44.733
Kaman has been fixing bugs in our C PC employee directory

06:54:44.744 --> 06:54:47.795
working on our oracle Apex environment and writing

06:54:47.805 --> 06:54:50.635
procedure documentation which is a tremendous help

06:54:50.644 --> 06:54:56.345
to us. Kaman enjoys writing, reading web tunes, programming

06:54:56.354 --> 06:55:01.753
small gains and automating tasks. Nicholas maybe last

06:55:01.764 --> 06:55:05.854
one, Nicholas joined software development, the software

06:55:05.865 --> 06:55:10.095
development section in it as an intern nearly 14 months

06:55:10.104 --> 06:55:14.104
ago and has interned virtually during two semesters

06:55:14.115 --> 06:55:17.374
at UC Santa Barbara where he just graduated with a

06:55:17.385 --> 06:55:22.385
BS in electrical engineering. Nicholas' focus has been

06:55:22.394 --> 06:55:26.604
on the oracle apex environment and supporting our power

06:55:26.615 --> 06:55:30.144
plant outage reporting application which we are making

06:55:30.155 --> 06:55:34.253
active use of during these hot summer months. Thank

06:55:34.264 --> 06:55:36.454
you, Commissioner so much for letting me introduce

06:55:36.463 --> 06:55:39.963
our interns at this late hour. I am so delighted to

06:55:39.974 --> 06:55:43.055
have them and I really want to say to all of them

06:55:43.064 --> 06:55:46.865
virtually. It is well known that an internship is a

06:55:46.874 --> 06:55:50.733
pipeline to leadership positions at the CPUC. We are

06:55:50.744 --> 06:55:53.354
hiring now and we will be hiring when you finish your

06:55:53.365 --> 06:55:56.314
degree. So I hope you've had a rewarding experience

06:55:56.325 --> 06:55:59.003
and please consider us in the future. Thank you so

06:55:59.014 --> 06:56:03.894
much.

06:56:03.894 --> 06:56:06.273
Thank you, Executive Director Peterson so much for

06:56:06.284 --> 06:56:11.014
those introductions and the details about the interns

06:56:11.023 --> 06:56:13.764
I think it's fair to say we're all also delighted to

06:56:13.773 --> 06:56:18.534
have them here at the CPUC. All right. Uh We'll now

06:56:18.545 --> 06:56:22.184
move to commissioner reports.

06:56:22.184 --> 06:56:27.374
Who wants to go first, Mr Shama? Thank you, truncated

06:56:27.385 --> 06:56:31.115
Uh There are workshops coming up in the epic program

06:56:31.124 --> 06:56:33.334
and the group of C program. They're all going to be

06:56:33.345 --> 06:56:35.795
on the day of the calendar. But the one I'll highlight

06:56:35.805 --> 06:56:40.764
for tonight is, uh, we have upcoming public participation

06:56:40.773 --> 06:56:45.463
hearings in the suburban water, uh, general rates case

06:56:46.014 --> 06:56:52.434
Uh, and those will be held on. Oh, gosh. Now I managed

06:56:52.443 --> 06:56:55.595
to not have a date in my notes here. Uh, they will

06:56:55.604 --> 06:56:58.104
be in the daily calendar and we'll be holding them

06:56:58.115 --> 06:57:01.325
virtually this time. They'll be one at 2 p.m. and one

06:57:01.334 --> 06:57:05.345
at six pm. And customers will be able to call in and

06:57:05.354 --> 06:57:08.273
express their views and they will receive bill inserts

06:57:08.284 --> 06:57:11.423
about the dates and times and what the proposed uh

06:57:11.434 --> 06:57:16.434
uh rates are from suburban water. Thank you.

06:57:16.434 --> 06:57:19.954
Great commission help. I will also try and make this

06:57:19.963 --> 06:57:23.055
quick. Um We are looking to hold a workshop in the

06:57:23.064 --> 06:57:28.595
public um the service quality workshop for um telecommunications

06:57:28.644 --> 06:57:31.974
um on September 7th in San Francisco. It will be in

06:57:31.983 --> 06:57:36.084
person in hybrid um that hasn't been noticed yet, but

06:57:36.095 --> 06:57:39.684
that is the date we're looking at. Um We also have

06:57:39.693 --> 06:57:43.124
um items in our bead proceeding that can be commented

06:57:43.135 --> 06:57:47.184
on our initial our five year plan and we will be holding

06:57:47.193 --> 06:57:50.954
workshops um soon and that proceeding will be moving

06:57:50.963 --> 06:57:53.994
fast. So if you're interested, please continue to watch

06:57:54.284 --> 06:57:57.164
for that. Um

06:57:57.164 --> 06:58:00.334
I had an opportunity to attend one of the tribal broadband

06:58:00.345 --> 06:58:03.693
boot camps um that are being put on around the country

06:58:03.704 --> 06:58:07.193
and that was um just a really amazing event to get

06:58:07.204 --> 06:58:12.744
first hand um hands on experience seeing what it takes

06:58:12.753 --> 06:58:17.894
to um have the internet run and talk with tribal communities

06:58:17.905 --> 06:58:21.135
about the work they're doing to develop their own um

06:58:21.345 --> 06:58:24.264
telecommunications companies. And so hopefully more

06:58:24.273 --> 06:58:27.014
to come and maybe we can talk about bringing a presentation

06:58:27.023 --> 06:58:31.494
to the commission at some point. Um Last but not least

06:58:31.503 --> 06:58:35.014
I wanted to announce a staffing change. I have a new

06:58:35.023 --> 06:58:38.575
advisor in my office, Carrie Anne Shepherd. Carrie

06:58:38.584 --> 06:58:41.624
Anne Shepherd Johnson is from the beautiful island

06:58:41.635 --> 06:58:45.193
of Saint Croix. Um The US Virgin Islands she completed

06:58:45.284 --> 06:58:48.644
did her undergraduate education at Liberty University

06:58:48.655 --> 06:58:51.805
in Lynchburg, Virginia and majored in government with

06:58:51.814 --> 06:58:54.814
a concentration in pre-law and minored in business

06:58:54.825 --> 06:58:58.045
administration. She then went on to attend law school

06:58:58.055 --> 06:59:00.595
at the University of Pacific MC George School of Law

06:59:00.604 --> 06:59:05.443
in Sacramento and graduated in 2009. Carry Anne was

06:59:05.454 --> 06:59:09.023
admitted to the California State Bar in 2009 and obtained

06:59:09.034 --> 06:59:12.164
a master's degree from Grand Canyon University in Phoenix

06:59:12.173 --> 06:59:15.724
Arizona with a concentration of in business marketing

06:59:15.733 --> 06:59:19.825
In 2012. She's practiced tax law, employment law, civil

06:59:19.834 --> 06:59:22.615
and criminal law. Prior to working at the California

06:59:22.624 --> 06:59:25.713
Public Utilities Commission. She began working in the

06:59:25.724 --> 06:59:29.834
commission star unit in 2014 and joined the legal division

06:59:29.845 --> 06:59:34.193
in June of 2014 as an advocacy attorney. Carryanne

06:59:34.204 --> 06:59:37.064
then became an advisory attorney in the legal division

06:59:37.075 --> 06:59:41.354
in 2018 and has advised on legal matters in telecommunications

06:59:41.365 --> 06:59:44.934
water, transportation and energy. She's been married

06:59:44.943 --> 06:59:47.825
for almost nine years to her husband Dominique Johnson

06:59:47.834 --> 06:59:49.974
They have a beautiful four year old daughter named

06:59:49.983 --> 06:59:54.034
Kari and has another baby on the way. Um That's due

06:59:54.045 --> 06:59:57.124
in February. Please join me in welcoming Carrie to

06:59:57.135 --> 07:00:00.034
my office. We're very excited to have carry on board

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Great Commissioner Reynolds. Thank you. I will be brief

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Um Yesterday, I was in Bishop California in the Eastern

07:00:08.874 --> 07:00:12.345
Sierras and I had the opportunity to attend a ribbon

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cutting for the first tribal. So a project that has

07:00:18.314 --> 07:00:21.713
been successfully delivered by the bishop. Um It's

07:00:21.724 --> 07:00:24.503
a solar installation on some tribal low income housing

07:00:24.923 --> 07:00:28.233
Um It's really tremendous to see the project developed

07:00:28.244 --> 07:00:31.644
and I look forward to the bishop sharing their uh their

07:00:31.655 --> 07:00:33.795
experience and expertise now with the project with

07:00:33.805 --> 07:00:35.934
other tribes so that hopefully we can get some more

07:00:36.034 --> 07:00:39.834
some more projects going. Thank you. Great. Everyone's

07:00:39.845 --> 07:00:44.334
so efficient today. Um OK, I do have a report uh to

07:00:44.345 --> 07:00:48.155
take us home. Um I'll start off with a brief uh CPUC

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staffing update. I'm pleased to announce that Hank

07:00:52.075 --> 07:00:55.463
Brady has been appointed as our director of, of the

07:00:55.474 --> 07:00:59.443
Office of Governmental Affairs Division and um a little

07:00:59.454 --> 07:01:02.434
bit about Hank. He brings more than 10 years of state

07:01:02.443 --> 07:01:05.334
legislative experience working in various roles across

07:01:05.345 --> 07:01:08.784
California and he steps into a role previously filled

07:01:08.795 --> 07:01:12.693
by Grant. Mack. Hank has been a committee consultant

07:01:12.704 --> 07:01:15.055
for the California State Assembly local government

07:01:15.064 --> 07:01:19.155
committee since 2020. And prior to that, he served

07:01:19.164 --> 07:01:23.934
as the SB 13 83 implementation manager at CAL cycle

07:01:23.954 --> 07:01:28.213
from 2016 to 2020. And he was chief legislative consultant

07:01:28.224 --> 07:01:33.923
there from 2014 to 2016. Pre prior to that, Hank was

07:01:33.934 --> 07:01:36.664
a legislative aide in the office of State Assembly

07:01:36.673 --> 07:01:39.693
member, Mark Levine and he was a California Senate

07:01:39.704 --> 07:01:44.115
fellow in the office of State Senator Joe. So welcome

07:01:44.124 --> 07:01:47.604
Hank. Um And then also I would like to take a moment

07:01:47.615 --> 07:01:50.724
to thank Amanda Singh in the Office of Government Affairs

07:01:50.733 --> 07:01:53.534
for stepping up and taking on such a critical role

07:01:53.545 --> 07:01:57.454
during her extended time. Um During, while we had a

07:01:57.463 --> 07:02:00.845
director vacancy, she never missed a beat and she had

07:02:00.854 --> 07:02:03.805
kept us all incredibly well informed during the better

07:02:03.814 --> 07:02:08.503
half of 2023. And she did so with her trademark enthusiasm

07:02:08.514 --> 07:02:12.494
efficiency, and candor. So I know I speak for everyone

07:02:12.503 --> 07:02:15.155
who interacts with Amanda when I say that I'm very

07:02:15.164 --> 07:02:17.334
much looking forward to continuing to work with her

07:02:17.345 --> 07:02:20.454
and benefiting from her insights and policy experience

07:02:20.463 --> 07:02:23.974
So thank you, Amanda. All right. Lastly, um I wanted

07:02:23.983 --> 07:02:27.273
to share that the CPUC will be joining our sister agencies

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to host the SP 120 25 joint agency kickoff workshop

07:02:31.753 --> 07:02:35.135
on August 22nd. The workshop will take place at the

07:02:35.144 --> 07:02:38.423
California Natural Resources Agency building in Sacramento

07:02:38.983 --> 07:02:44.345
Um Sp 100 of course requires CE CCPUC and CARB to regularly

07:02:44.354 --> 07:02:47.894
complete a joint agency report to the legislature evaluating

07:02:47.905 --> 07:02:52.773
the 100% 0 carbon electricity policy. This workshop

07:02:52.784 --> 07:02:56.423
will include an overview of the 2021 report. Um and

07:02:56.434 --> 07:02:59.414
it will include staff presentations on policy funding

07:02:59.423 --> 07:03:02.454
and planning process updates and a presentation on

07:03:02.463 --> 07:03:07.023
the proposed 2025 report vision. So I'm looking forward

07:03:07.034 --> 07:03:09.885
to this important joint agency work that will help

07:03:09.894 --> 07:03:14.244
us chart the path to meet our clean energy goals that

07:03:14.253 --> 07:03:17.733
concludes my report And um with that, that includes

07:03:17.744 --> 07:03:20.564
all of the commission reports. That is the last item

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on our agenda today. And so the public, this public

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meeting of the California Public Utilities Commission

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is now adjourned. Thank you everyone

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and there's.