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Admin monitor.com.
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Welcome to the California
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Public Utilities Commission,
Public Voting Meeting
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on this day, Thursday, June 24th, 2021.
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Today's call is being recorded
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if you have any objections,
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you may disconnect at this time.
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President Batjer, you may proceed.
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Thank you very much.
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Good morning, everyone.
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We need to establish a quorum.
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So will the agenda clerk
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please call the role.
Hi, can you hear me?
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I'm testing this is Britney.
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Will the agenda clerk,
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please call the roll so we
can establish a quorum.
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Can you hear
me? This is Britney.
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Holly, I think you need to....
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Excuse me for one second.
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I think you need to go and mute, Holly.
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Operator, I think you
need to go on mute.
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I'm muted Commissioner.
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Somebody else needs
to go on mute, please.
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Thank you.
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Okay, now we call the roll.
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Commissioner Houck?
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Here.
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Commissioner Shiroma?
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Present.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
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Apologies for
interrupting President Batjer,
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this is Alison Brown,
the Public Advisor.
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I believe Holly, our Spanish
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and English signs may be merged.
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We may need to separate that out
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because we're hearing the
Spanish on the English line.
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Okay, and we're getting
background noise too.
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So let's pause for a second.
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I'm sorry to interrupt.
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Robert, are you on the line?
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Yes, President Batjer,
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I'm instructing operator and everyone
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to please have them all muted.
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And what about the line
that Allison just mentioned?
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I've directed
the operator.
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Okay, they're all muted
now President Batjer.
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Sorry for the interruption.
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Okay, let's start over
with the roll call, please,
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so we can hear everyone
and know that they are present.
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Thank you.
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Commissioner Houck?
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Here.
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Commissioner Shiroma?
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Present.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
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Here.
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Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
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Here.
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President Batjer?
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Here.
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We have established a quorum, thank you.
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So I'd like to welcome everyone
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to the California Public
Utilities Commission.
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I'm calling this meeting
of June 24th, 2021,
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public agenda number 3488 to order.
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Due to the corona virus pandemic
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and the shelter in place order,
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we are conducting today's
business meeting online
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and by remote participation.
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The meeting is live streamed
on the CPUC website.
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You can view the meeting
at www.adminmonitor,
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Closed captioning is available
in English and Spanish
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through the webcast.
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You can click on the green button
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to select your language of choice.
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Public engagement is
critical to the PUC process.
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If you wish to make a
public comment, please dial,
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800-857-1917
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and enter pass code 9899501
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and press *1.
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You will be placed into a queue
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and the operator will take your name
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and information if appropriate.
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You will be called upon to speak
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when we get to the public
comment period in today's agenda.
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If you encountered difficulty
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calling into the public
telephone line, please email,
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votingmeetinghelp@cupc.ca.gov.
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votingmeetinghealth is all one word.
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I will be speaking today slowly
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and I will pause occasionally
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as we are being translated
live into Spanish today
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and I will ask that the
speakers do the same.
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Last week before the
official start of summer,
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we experienced a heat wave
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that not only impacted California,
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but several states across the west.
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This heat event
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required the California
Independent System Operator
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to call the first Flex
Alert of the summer.
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Asking Californians to
voluntarily reduce their energy use
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during critical moments of
the afternoon and evening.
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Californians always respond
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and they did respond this year
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and they made a difference.
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Given how early in the
summer this heat event occurred
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as well as our experience
with weather variability
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in recent years,
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we must be prepared for
similar events later this summer.
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To do that, I'm encouraging
Californians to sign up.
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Please sign up now for Flex Alerts
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to receive information
about best practices
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and to get the word
when it's time for you to act
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and lessen your energy use.
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Practices such as pre-cooling your home
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prior to critical hours
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and setting your
thermostat to 78 degrees
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during the heat event can
make considerable contributions
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to maintaining stable grid conditions.
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To sign up and for more information,
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please visit www.flexalert,
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all one word.org.
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www.flexalert.org.
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It's very important.
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I encourage everyone
to sign up for Flex Alert.
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Thank you.
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We will now turn to the public
comment part of our agenda.
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If you wish to make a public comment
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and you have already dialed
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into the public comment telephone line,
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please press *1
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to get into the public comment queue.
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CPUC rules do not allow
for parties in proceedings
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to speak about open proceedings.
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The public can make comments
addressing items on the consent
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and regular agenda as well
as items not on the agenda.
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Please note that there
will not be public comment
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on all items on the
closed session agenda.
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You will have one minute to speak.
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Let me repeat that.
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You will have one minute to speak.
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You will hear a bell
sound when your time is up,
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so please listen for the bell.
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Please be mindful of
other speakers in the queue
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and keep to your allotted time.
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We believe we'll have quite a
few public commenters today.
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So please, I ask everyone to be mindful
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that there are other people,
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and yourself who wish to speak,
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and we wish very much to hear everyone.
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So with that guidance in mind,
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I welcome today's speakers
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and we'll now turn to the operator
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to open the public
comment telephone line.
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Operator?
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Thank you.
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The public comment
telephone line is now open.
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If you wish to speak,
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please press *1, unmute your phone
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and record your name when
prompted so I may introduce you.
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Our first caller is Tim Emes.
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You may go ahead.
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Hello, my name is Tim Emes
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and I'm speaking on the
integrated resource plan proceeding.
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I'm calling because I want to thank you
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for ordering 11,500 megawatts
zero emitting resources.
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I believe California is a leader
on solving climate change
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with legislation to move
us away from fossil fuels
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and that we can not afford
the unhealthy pollution
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from gas plants.
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So I urge the
Commissioners to stay strong
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on rejecting anymore
wasted money on fossil fuels,
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both in this decision
and future decisions.
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Our frontline communities
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that are living with the
effects of air pollution
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are being most effected,
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and we wanna see new
investment in renewables,
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especially in these
disadvantaged communities
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that are suffering the
most from unhealthy air.
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Additionally, in the future,
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I'd like to ask that the
Commission chooses
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a 38 million metric ton
greenhouse gas target
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and that's my...
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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The next caller, please.
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Our next
caller is Mayik Badwell.
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You may go ahead.
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Hello, my
name is Mayik Badwell
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and I'm 18 years old.
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I'm a rising freshman in college
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and I represent New Voices Are Rising
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and I stand with the
Reclaim Our Power campaign.
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I'm calling to advocate
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for COVID-19 utility debt forgiveness
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and say that we need
forgiveness because people of color
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and low income
communities are struggling
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and being left in the dark.
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Many lost their jobs
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and are unemployed
trying to make ends meet
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and pay their bills.
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Since the pandemic, people
have been stuck at home,
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which means their utility
usage has increased
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and they are more in debt.
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With the moratorium canceled
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and the rise to the new to
year plan that include interests,
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these struggling communities
will only meet more struggles,
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such as more debt and also
damages to their credit score,
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which in return will
affect their ability
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to take out loans for a house or cars,
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furthering their hardship.
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So we demand that the CPUC
extends the shut off moratorium
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because energy runs almost everything
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and should be affordable
and accessible to everyone.
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We also demand that you
ensure that repairs are not forced
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to cover the cost of mitigating
customer's pandemic bills.
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Alongside this, we need
to make policy incentives
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for local solar storage and
energy efficiency stronger.
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The CPUC should think of ways
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to bring local clean...
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, the next caller, please.
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Our next
caller is Jesse Parks.
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You may go ahead.
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Hello.
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Hello, go ahead.
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Hi, my name is Jesse Park
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and I'm speaking on the IRP proceeding.
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I'm calling because I'm a
19 year old college student
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here in California, Southern California,
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in Riverside to be specific.
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But yeah, as we all know,
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clean air is kind of
vital to our environment
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and our lives as humans,
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and it's important that we
keep it clean for our community.
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And honestly, I wanna thank you guys
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for the work you've done,
but it's still not enough.
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Our air here is toxic
and it's killing us
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and people are dying
and developing cancer.
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So the time to step up
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and continue a movement
towards clean air
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and dedicating our lives
to our community is now.
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So thank you guys,
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but please continue to reject
gas plants in this decision
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and keep up for the future
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and just really act with thought.
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And I want to thank you guys again
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because I know this work is tiring,
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but it's still needed.
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So thank you guys
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and please continue to
dismiss the gas industry.
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They're not here to support
any community members.
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They're here just to take...
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So, thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, the next caller, please.
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Our next
caller is Elliot Gonzalez.
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You may go ahead.
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Hello, can
you all hear me?
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Yes, we can.
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Okay, great.
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Good evening Commissioners.
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I just wanted to encourage
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a high greenhouse gas
reduction emission goal
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by implementing a 38 megawatt mandate
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for our energy procurement.
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As you can all tell
we're living in the past,
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we're in 2021, I live in Long Beach.
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All over California,
Arizona, all over the west,
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I don't see that many solar panels,
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especially in low income communities.
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We need to be procuring clean energy
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as if the world is on fire,
as if we're in a major drought
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and we don't know when it's gonna end,
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as if the future is on the line.
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So I ask that you all
demonstrate courage
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to stand up for the youth
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and for the young people.
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Begin the process of
getting us off of so Cal Edison
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and whatever three monopolies
control the state's energy,
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so that we can all begin procuring
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locally sourced clean
energy that encourages
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a clean energy economy locally
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and gets us off of being dependent
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on fossil fuel production,
natural gas production.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Next caller, please.
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Our next
caller is Francis Yang.
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You may go ahead.
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Morning,
my name is Francis,
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calling from Los Angeles,
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also speaking on the
midterm IRP proceeding.
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And like the other speakers,
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I really wanna thank you for listening
00:14:41.640 --> 00:14:43.917
to the community's
demands for clean energy
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and just as importantly
00:14:45.260 --> 00:14:48.030
the need to stop
investing in fossil fuels.
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I mean, 11,500 megawatts is huge
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and it's honestly been
such a great surprise
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to see the PUC moves so quickly
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to make the midterm procurement right.
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Secondly, I think it's
still incredibly important
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that we prioritize building
that procured clean energy
00:15:03.970 --> 00:15:05.950
in the same frontline
communities that are suffering
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and have suffered the consequences
00:15:07.890 --> 00:15:10.640
of a status quo energy infrastructure.
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I mean, this rule is great
00:15:12.300 --> 00:15:15.590
and really need y'all to
continue to take it home.
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Which brings me to my last point,
00:15:16.930 --> 00:15:19.540
which is obviously we can't
afford to waste any money
00:15:19.540 --> 00:15:21.510
on gas and to fossil fuels.
00:15:21.510 --> 00:15:23.680
So please make sure that
we continue to phase out
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the gas plants
00:15:24.700 --> 00:15:28.657
by regulating a 38 million
metric greenhouse target now,
00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:31.450
and hopefully we can adopt
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a 30 million metric ton grant
target greenhouse gas target,
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next cycle.
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And again, thank you so, so much
00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:39.010
for taking the right stance today.
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We're excited to see
what you do in the future.
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Thank you.
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Next caller, please operator.
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Our next
caller is Voya Allen.
00:15:50.740 --> 00:15:51.590
You may go ahead.
00:15:53.160 --> 00:15:54.620
Hi, my name is Voya Allen,
00:15:54.620 --> 00:15:57.000
I'm 16 years old and
arising senior in high school.
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I represent New Voices Are Rising
00:15:58.510 --> 00:16:00.220
and stand with Reclaim
Our Power campaign
00:16:00.220 --> 00:16:03.610
to transform our energy system
to meet community needs.
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I'm calling in to voice
my opinion and say
00:16:04.913 --> 00:16:07.300
that we need forgiveness
for COVID-19 cuts.
00:16:07.300 --> 00:16:08.470
We need to end power shut off
00:16:08.470 --> 00:16:10.090
for all the community
struggling in the dark.
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COVID-19 has impacted low income
00:16:12.127 --> 00:16:13.340
and communities of color
00:16:13.340 --> 00:16:14.670
and most with jobs being limited
00:16:14.670 --> 00:16:15.530
and people being let go,
00:16:15.530 --> 00:16:17.497
community are struggling
to pay the utility bills
00:16:17.497 --> 00:16:19.110
and are surrounded by debt.
00:16:19.110 --> 00:16:20.403
The California Public
Utilities Commission
00:16:20.403 --> 00:16:22.270
through your panel
that includes interest
00:16:22.270 --> 00:16:23.103
is a harmful stand,
00:16:23.103 --> 00:16:25.600
and does not have other
people in mind, but the money.
00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:27.780
The CPUC should be thinking
of ways to help communities,
00:16:27.780 --> 00:16:28.910
instead of implementing a plan
00:16:28.910 --> 00:16:30.790
that further causes people to struggle.
00:16:30.790 --> 00:16:31.920
If people are unable to pay,
00:16:31.920 --> 00:16:33.000
their credit scores are affected
00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:34.770
which puts them at an
even bigger disadvantage.
00:16:34.770 --> 00:16:36.060
And it is a corrupt and cruel cycle
00:16:36.060 --> 00:16:38.650
that will continue to put
down low income communities
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and communities of color.
00:16:40.110 --> 00:16:41.980
Affordable and clean
energy, they're human rights
00:16:41.980 --> 00:16:43.210
that we all deserve to have.
00:16:43.210 --> 00:16:45.850
We demand that you, the
CPUC extend the moratorium
00:16:45.850 --> 00:16:48.740
beyond June 30th, as it
is a least damaging plan
00:16:48.740 --> 00:16:50.710
to communities that are struggling.
00:16:50.710 --> 00:16:51.543
Thank you.
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Thank you, operator
the next caller, please.
00:16:57.107 --> 00:16:59.753
Our next
caller is Phil Evans.
00:16:59.753 --> 00:17:01.170
You may go ahead.
00:17:14.577 --> 00:17:18.680
And our next caller, if you're
able to mute your computer
00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:21.370
and your line is open, so you may speak.
00:17:21.370 --> 00:17:22.387
Mr. Evans?
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Mr. Evans, we can't hear you.
00:17:36.461 --> 00:17:38.797
I think you're gonna
need to mute your laptop
00:17:39.900 --> 00:17:42.863
or your computer, if you can do that.
00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:49.170
Okay, I'm sorry, Mr. Evans,
00:17:49.170 --> 00:17:50.770
we're gonna have to
go onto the next caller.
00:17:50.770 --> 00:17:55.580
Why don't you try again
calling in, I apologize.
00:17:55.580 --> 00:17:57.330
Operate in the next caller, please.
00:17:58.267 --> 00:18:00.440
Our next
caller is Jessica Polvar.
00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:01.290
You may go ahead.
00:18:05.370 --> 00:18:07.120
Hello, this
is Jessica Polvar,
00:18:07.120 --> 00:18:10.580
East Bay clean power lands
Local Clean Energy Alliance.
00:18:10.580 --> 00:18:14.340
And I'm calling in because
I want to encourage you
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to extend the moratorium
00:18:16.580 --> 00:18:20.950
and we need to find a
path to forgiving the debt
00:18:20.950 --> 00:18:24.560
that has been accumulated
since March of 2020,
00:18:24.560 --> 00:18:26.060
because of the pandemic
00:18:26.060 --> 00:18:29.030
and no fault at all of these
struggling communities
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and small businesses
throughout California.
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In addition to that,
00:18:33.940 --> 00:18:38.520
I also want to highlight
that we also need to
00:18:39.470 --> 00:18:41.880
in addition to forgiving the debt,
00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:43.806
we want to strengthen policies
00:18:43.806 --> 00:18:47.240
that incentivize our
local solar, storage
00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.170
and energy efficiency,
00:18:49.170 --> 00:18:51.680
because we need clean energy jobs
00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.820
and we need an end to power shut off
00:18:53.820 --> 00:18:56.370
that are leaving
communities in the dark.
00:18:56.370 --> 00:18:59.340
As someone who my personal experience
00:18:59.340 --> 00:19:01.940
has been having utilities cutoff,
00:19:01.940 --> 00:19:05.510
I have been traumatized by
having to take cold showers
00:19:05.510 --> 00:19:06.710
as a child.
00:19:06.710 --> 00:19:08.550
I really encourage
00:19:08.550 --> 00:19:11.947
that we don't shut off
people's utilities, thank you.
00:19:13.943 --> 00:19:14.960
Thank you.
00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:16.660
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:19:18.460 --> 00:19:21.240
Our next caller is Jose Torre-Bueno.
00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:22.090
You may go ahead.
00:19:23.410 --> 00:19:24.680
I'm Jose Torre-Bueno,
00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.310
speaking for the Center
of Community Energy.
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I wish to comment on updates
to the Avoided Cost Calculator.
00:19:31.470 --> 00:19:34.510
The basic principles of
sensitivity analysis tell us
00:19:34.510 --> 00:19:38.250
that any change to a model
that causes profound changes
00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:40.680
to the output cannot be minor.
00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:41.860
This is especially true
00:19:41.860 --> 00:19:44.500
when the outputs directly
contradict other studies
00:19:44.500 --> 00:19:46.650
modeling the same problem.
00:19:46.650 --> 00:19:49.670
It would be criminal
neglect of its responsibilities
00:19:49.670 --> 00:19:51.460
for the PUC to make decisions
00:19:51.460 --> 00:19:55.230
that had multi-billion dollar
consequences for rate payers
00:19:55.230 --> 00:19:58.170
without allowing a full examination
00:19:58.170 --> 00:20:00.810
of the new version of the
Avoided Cost Calculator
00:20:00.810 --> 00:20:02.470
by all interested parties.
00:20:02.470 --> 00:20:03.303
Thank you.
00:20:05.574 --> 00:20:06.420
Thank you.
00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:08.253
Operator the next caller, please.
00:20:09.683 --> 00:20:11.720
Our next
caller is Rob Holly.
00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:13.230
You may go ahead.
00:20:13.230 --> 00:20:14.990
Hi, I'm Rob
Holly from San Jose
00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:17.420
and I also oppose the new ACC.
00:20:17.420 --> 00:20:20.080
I have solar, a battery
and an electric car.
00:20:20.080 --> 00:20:22.050
Thanks for the car, I buy lots of power.
00:20:22.050 --> 00:20:24.690
I just don't do it when
PG&E wants me to.
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Any power I do buy is subject to NBC,
00:20:27.300 --> 00:20:29.560
so I contribute to those programs.
00:20:29.560 --> 00:20:31.230
On EV too my new power
00:20:31.230 --> 00:20:35.240
can be sold to my neighbors
at a profit, no subsidy there.
00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:36.480
When I'm running on battery,
00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:37.900
I'm not competing with my neighbors
00:20:37.900 --> 00:20:39.700
for the long distance power lines,
00:20:39.700 --> 00:20:42.590
yet like everyone else, I'm
subject to the minimum bill.
00:20:42.590 --> 00:20:45.020
I have zeroed my evening usage,
00:20:45.020 --> 00:20:48.300
which exceeds what the
state sponsored at TV ads ask.
00:20:48.300 --> 00:20:50.470
Why are you proposing
to add monthly fees
00:20:50.470 --> 00:20:53.360
for doing what you are asking me to do?
00:20:53.360 --> 00:20:54.193
Thank you.
00:20:56.630 --> 00:20:57.463
Thank you.
00:20:57.463 --> 00:21:00.377
Operator, next caller, please.
00:21:00.377 --> 00:21:02.403
Our next
caller is Tom Braz.
00:21:02.403 --> 00:21:03.573
You may go ahead.
00:21:05.170 --> 00:21:06.120
Hi, my name is Tom
00:21:06.120 --> 00:21:07.840
and I live in North San Diego County.
00:21:07.840 --> 00:21:10.570
I'm addressing you
today to tell you the CPUC,
00:21:10.570 --> 00:21:12.810
to table resolution 5150,
00:21:12.810 --> 00:21:15.750
which effectively will
remove bias that undercounts
00:21:15.750 --> 00:21:17.650
the value of distributed rooftop solar
00:21:17.650 --> 00:21:20.617
through the so-called Avoided
Cost Calculator or ACC.
00:21:21.679 --> 00:21:24.490
The ACC makes assumptions
about megawatt solar centers
00:21:24.490 --> 00:21:26.210
that do not now exist.
00:21:26.210 --> 00:21:28.770
This absurd assumption
will crowd out rooftop solar
00:21:28.770 --> 00:21:30.570
and push the value down.
00:21:30.570 --> 00:21:32.660
Make the call for ACC open source
00:21:32.660 --> 00:21:34.730
so that mathematicians petitions
00:21:34.730 --> 00:21:36.970
and engineers can
examine other assumptions
00:21:36.970 --> 00:21:38.750
baked into the ACC tool.
00:21:38.750 --> 00:21:40.500
For the record, I also
wanna make you aware
00:21:40.500 --> 00:21:43.660
that at least 6,000 individuals
admitted a public comment
00:21:43.660 --> 00:21:45.760
to the public advisor's email address
00:21:45.760 --> 00:21:47.700
on resolution 5150,
00:21:47.700 --> 00:21:50.220
and those comments do
not appear to be published
00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:51.110
on the record.
00:21:51.110 --> 00:21:52.877
Those individual comments
must be on the record
00:21:52.877 --> 00:21:53.820
and I request
00:21:54.810 --> 00:21:57.000
this be taken care of immediately.
00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:01.070
Is full-hearted to use a
brand new model set policy
00:22:01.070 --> 00:22:02.950
without thoroughly
vetting it with wide range
00:22:02.950 --> 00:22:05.250
of stakeholders, including
rooftop solar companies,
00:22:05.250 --> 00:22:07.560
providing thousands
of jobs to Californians,
00:22:07.560 --> 00:22:10.027
environmental organizations
fighting against climate change
00:22:10.027 --> 00:22:12.810
and rooftop solar owners
who have only contributed
00:22:12.810 --> 00:22:14.470
to using the power of the sun
00:22:14.470 --> 00:22:17.380
to generate electricity
for our great state.
00:22:17.380 --> 00:22:19.709
Thank you.
00:22:19.709 --> 00:22:20.670
Thank you.
00:22:20.670 --> 00:22:23.223
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:26.960
Our next
caller is Margie Lewis.
00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:27.810
You may go ahead.
00:22:29.660 --> 00:22:31.300
Good morning,
my name is Margie Lewis
00:22:31.300 --> 00:22:33.800
and I work with Communities
for a Better Environment.
00:22:33.800 --> 00:22:35.380
In eight days, the moratorium
00:22:35.380 --> 00:22:37.350
that has protected Californians
00:22:37.350 --> 00:22:39.880
from having their power
shut off is scheduled to end,
00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:42.040
leaving millions of families at risk
00:22:42.040 --> 00:22:44.740
of being left in the
dark, in the heat or dead.
00:22:44.740 --> 00:22:47.860
The CPUC hasn't taken
meaningful action yet.
00:22:47.860 --> 00:22:48.830
You need to respond
00:22:48.830 --> 00:22:51.050
to this devastating
pandemic appropriately
00:22:51.050 --> 00:22:52.850
because our time is running out.
00:22:52.850 --> 00:22:56.530
You have to extend the shut
off moratorium beyond June 30th
00:22:56.530 --> 00:22:58.810
and ensure that you
will not raise rates or fees
00:22:58.810 --> 00:23:01.920
on residential Californians
to cover customer debt.
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:04.250
Extending the moratorium is much simpler
00:23:04.250 --> 00:23:06.530
than your plans to
automatically enroll people
00:23:06.530 --> 00:23:09.420
unable to pay in two year
payments plans with interest.
00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:12.590
It is a less damaging
solution that allows California
00:23:12.590 --> 00:23:15.500
to keep their power on
without going deeper into debt.
00:23:15.500 --> 00:23:17.710
We know how PG&E spends the funds
00:23:17.710 --> 00:23:19.330
that rate payers give them.
00:23:19.330 --> 00:23:22.230
You must hold PG&E
accountable for causing fires,
00:23:22.230 --> 00:23:24.310
reckless shut offs and raising rates
00:23:24.310 --> 00:23:26.880
to fund the doubling of
their executive salaries.
00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:29.100
Don't let them start to
shut people off again,
00:23:29.100 --> 00:23:32.020
just to serve these
terrible spending priorities.
00:23:32.020 --> 00:23:34.550
I stand with the Reclaim
Our Power Campaign
00:23:34.550 --> 00:23:36.717
to transfer energy system.
00:23:38.870 --> 00:23:39.703
Thank you.
00:23:41.306 --> 00:23:43.085
Thank you.
President Batjer?
00:23:43.085 --> 00:23:43.950
Yes.
00:23:43.950 --> 00:23:45.140
Sorry to interrupt.
00:23:45.140 --> 00:23:47.070
I thought it might be good to clarify
00:23:47.070 --> 00:23:50.050
for just the public's greater awareness
00:23:50.050 --> 00:23:52.450
that we will be voting on an extension
00:23:52.450 --> 00:23:56.570
on the moratorium later today, IM27,
00:23:56.570 --> 00:24:00.721
to extend the moratorium
until September 30th.
00:24:00.721 --> 00:24:05.520
I just wanna make sure
that is aware for the public
00:24:05.520 --> 00:24:08.160
since we're getting quite
a few comments on that.
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:09.780
Thank you.
00:24:09.780 --> 00:24:11.913
Thank you, Commissioner
Guzman Aceves.
00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:16.723
I hope that those are
on the line heard you,
00:24:16.723 --> 00:24:17.556
but thank you.
00:24:17.556 --> 00:24:19.723
Okay, operator next caller, please.
00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:24.110
Our next caller
is Brianna Hernandez.
00:24:24.110 --> 00:24:24.960
You may go ahead.
00:24:28.100 --> 00:24:30.310
Hello, my name
is Brianna Hernandez
00:24:30.310 --> 00:24:31.190
and I am speaking
00:24:31.190 --> 00:24:34.120
on the integrated
resource plan proceeding.
00:24:34.120 --> 00:24:35.980
I'm calling because hotter climates
00:24:35.980 --> 00:24:38.350
make grass plants pollute more.
00:24:38.350 --> 00:24:41.820
The IRP cannot allow more
than 30 million metric tons
00:24:41.820 --> 00:24:44.680
of greenhouse gases,
increasing the admissions
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:47.100
is another excuse erasing the progress
00:24:47.100 --> 00:24:48.913
we were promised in this state.
00:24:49.780 --> 00:24:53.030
That's why I'm asking
the CPUC to reject plans
00:24:53.030 --> 00:24:55.450
to waste any more money on gas plants.
00:24:55.450 --> 00:24:56.283
Thank you.
00:24:59.660 --> 00:25:00.493
Thank you.
00:25:00.493 --> 00:25:01.783
Operator, next caller, please.
00:25:03.688 --> 00:25:05.170
Our next
caller is Mike Turgeon.
00:25:05.170 --> 00:25:06.020
You may go ahead.
00:25:07.320 --> 00:25:10.363
Hi Mike Turgeon
speaking on my own behalf.
00:25:11.260 --> 00:25:14.370
Yeah, my concern is that the process
00:25:14.370 --> 00:25:18.050
approving this new
Avoided Cost Calculators
00:25:18.050 --> 00:25:19.107
it's really in direct opposition
00:25:19.107 --> 00:25:22.940
to the PUC's on
priorities and procedures.
00:25:22.940 --> 00:25:25.290
So updating this calculator should go to
00:25:25.290 --> 00:25:28.103
the designated review
process that's already in place.
00:25:29.290 --> 00:25:32.490
Public's gonna need to
have more time to weigh in.
00:25:32.490 --> 00:25:36.330
So I would request that you
please pull the resolution 5150.
00:25:36.330 --> 00:25:37.163
Thank you.
00:25:39.930 --> 00:25:40.770
Thank you.
00:25:40.770 --> 00:25:41.903
Next caller, please.
00:25:50.090 --> 00:25:51.990
Operator, next caller please.
00:25:51.990 --> 00:25:54.110
Our next caller
is from Brett Garrett.
00:25:54.110 --> 00:25:55.233
You may go ahead.
00:25:57.410 --> 00:25:59.040
Good morning,
this is Brett Garrett
00:25:59.040 --> 00:26:01.390
with the Santa Cruz
Climate Action Network.
00:26:01.390 --> 00:26:05.400
I oppose item three resolution E5150,
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:08.140
updates to the Avoided Cost Calculator.
00:26:08.140 --> 00:26:11.130
This proposal is misidentified
as a minor change
00:26:11.130 --> 00:26:13.890
when it actually has
enormous ramifications,
00:26:13.890 --> 00:26:16.430
dramatically reducing
the value of rooftop solar
00:26:16.430 --> 00:26:17.593
and energy efficiency.
00:26:19.201 --> 00:26:24.201
E5150 should require
a robust public process.
00:26:24.490 --> 00:26:27.040
It ignores the equity
benefits of rooftop solar,
00:26:27.040 --> 00:26:29.050
including air quality, resiliency,
00:26:29.050 --> 00:26:31.730
and potential to reduce
transmission costs.
00:26:31.730 --> 00:26:34.820
The California Energy Commission
announced the build rates
00:26:34.820 --> 00:26:37.920
for wind and solar need
to triple in the next 10 years
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.710
to meet California climate goals,
00:26:39.710 --> 00:26:43.430
and resolution E5150 would
prevent this from happening.
00:26:43.430 --> 00:26:45.960
The CPUC must provide a fair treatment
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:47.720
of much needed local solar
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:50.940
and all small scale
distributed energy resources.
00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:54.740
Again, I oppose item
three, resolution E5150
00:26:54.740 --> 00:26:56.850
regarding the avoided cost calculator.
00:26:56.850 --> 00:26:57.683
Thank you.
00:26:59.780 --> 00:27:02.483
Thank you, operator,
next caller, please.
00:27:03.967 --> 00:27:05.830
Our next
caller is Cassandra Diaz.
00:27:05.830 --> 00:27:06.680
You may go ahead.
00:27:09.190 --> 00:27:10.960
Hi, my
name is Cassandra Diaz
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.570
and I'm speaking on the
integrated resource plan proceeding.
00:27:14.570 --> 00:27:15.757
I'm calling on behalf of communities
00:27:15.757 --> 00:27:18.120
who live with the
effects of air pollution
00:27:18.120 --> 00:27:20.200
and climate change every day
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:23.180
as gas pollutes the air.
00:27:23.180 --> 00:27:26.610
And we are pleased to
see the new IRP decision
00:27:26.610 --> 00:27:30.203
to move off fossil
fuels for procurement.
00:27:31.310 --> 00:27:36.310
And I'd like to ask the CPUC
to continue rejecting plans
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:41.380
and to continue rejecting
gas plans in this decision
00:27:41.380 --> 00:27:44.357
and to thank you for
prioritizing community
00:27:44.357 --> 00:27:47.120
and to keep up this work.
00:27:47.120 --> 00:27:47.953
Thank you.
00:27:51.540 --> 00:27:53.120
Thank you.
00:27:53.120 --> 00:27:55.523
Next caller, please operator.
00:28:02.498 --> 00:28:04.081
Next caller please.
00:28:12.013 --> 00:28:13.890
Operator?
Our next caller...
00:28:13.890 --> 00:28:15.420
Yeah, thank you.
00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:17.070
Is Loreen von Clan.
00:28:17.070 --> 00:28:17.920
You may go ahead.
00:28:18.950 --> 00:28:21.320
Hello, my name
is Loreen von Clan.
00:28:21.320 --> 00:28:23.190
I'm from Santa Monica.
00:28:23.190 --> 00:28:27.500
I'm calling to ask
you to resolution 5150.
00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:31.200
It is biased against
distributed local solar
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.100
and favors the utilities.
00:28:33.100 --> 00:28:34.600
On behalf of many people
00:28:34.600 --> 00:28:36.120
who are concerned about climate
00:28:36.120 --> 00:28:38.130
and who wants to see change,
00:28:38.130 --> 00:28:40.850
I urge you to shift your
perspective and policy
00:28:40.850 --> 00:28:43.010
to make local generation and storage
00:28:43.010 --> 00:28:46.240
to be most cost effective
and easiest adaptation
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.270
that people can take to
address the climate crisis
00:28:49.270 --> 00:28:51.410
while meeting their energy needs.
00:28:51.410 --> 00:28:53.500
This will allow more people middle
00:28:53.500 --> 00:28:55.370
and lower class especially,
00:28:55.370 --> 00:28:57.820
more control over
their financial future.
00:28:57.820 --> 00:29:00.950
It will leverage the energy
and finances of the community.
00:29:00.950 --> 00:29:04.200
It will support environmental
equity and local resilience.
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:06.280
It helps keep Wildlands wild
00:29:06.280 --> 00:29:09.500
and it will add to the
large-scale development
00:29:09.500 --> 00:29:12.060
of other renewable energy resources.
00:29:12.060 --> 00:29:14.890
Please table resolution 5150
00:29:14.890 --> 00:29:17.810
and help us establish
a new energy future.
00:29:17.810 --> 00:29:19.300
Thank you.
00:29:19.300 --> 00:29:20.133
Thank you.
00:29:20.980 --> 00:29:22.793
Operator, the next caller please.
00:29:24.460 --> 00:29:26.760
Our next
caller is Alice Sung.
00:29:26.760 --> 00:29:27.610
You may go ahead.
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:29.473
Yes, thank you.
00:29:29.473 --> 00:29:30.306
Can you hear me?
00:29:32.090 --> 00:29:33.420
Yes, we can hear you fine.
00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:34.260
Thank you.
00:29:34.260 --> 00:29:36.570
Alice Sung, Principal
of Greenbank Associates
00:29:36.570 --> 00:29:38.560
here in the state.
00:29:38.560 --> 00:29:41.630
I am calling as a citizen
advocate once again
00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:45.850
on behalf of the 6.3 million
public school students
00:29:45.850 --> 00:29:49.110
and their families in
10,000 schools sites
00:29:49.110 --> 00:29:51.120
over the state of California.
00:29:51.120 --> 00:29:52.500
We're here to reject
00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:56.930
and ask you to reject
resoundly resolution E5150.
00:29:56.930 --> 00:30:00.730
The Avoided Cost Calculator
update is major, not minor
00:30:00.730 --> 00:30:03.530
and approving this
calculator is also a violation
00:30:03.530 --> 00:30:05.410
of the due process for the public
00:30:05.410 --> 00:30:07.283
and the Commission's own procedures.
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.010
The calculator has many
assumptions manipulated
00:30:11.010 --> 00:30:13.160
by the IOU in their favor
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:16.277
that are both unrealistic and
embedded by stakeholders.
00:30:16.277 --> 00:30:20.860
And in particular, the cost of
transmission is not included
00:30:20.860 --> 00:30:23.160
nor are the cost of
wildfires and outages
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.853
that happen because
of long distance wire.
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:29.870
Furthermore, on the other side,
00:30:29.870 --> 00:30:32.120
the proposed changes
would continue to erode
00:30:32.120 --> 00:30:35.740
and falsely and wrongly
erode the calculated value
00:30:35.740 --> 00:30:39.340
of small distributed rooftop
and community solar systems,
00:30:39.340 --> 00:30:41.710
which are a critical part
of speeding the transition
00:30:41.710 --> 00:30:45.440
to 100% clean, resilient, safe grid.
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:50.150
Avoiding affordable energy
00:30:50.150 --> 00:30:53.550
and allowing schools to serve
as community resilience hubs.
00:30:53.550 --> 00:30:56.963
So thank you for
rejecting resolution E5150.
00:31:00.740 --> 00:31:01.590
Thank you.
00:31:01.590 --> 00:31:03.090
Operator, next caller, please.
00:31:05.342 --> 00:31:07.730
Our next
caller is Igor Tregub.
00:31:07.730 --> 00:31:08.580
You may go ahead.
00:31:11.131 --> 00:31:13.290
Good morning,
chair and Commissioners.
00:31:13.290 --> 00:31:15.240
This is Igor Tregub, Chair
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:20.100
of the California Democratic
Party Environmental Caucus.
00:31:20.100 --> 00:31:22.450
First of all, I would like to thank,
00:31:22.450 --> 00:31:24.530
Commissioner Guzman Aceves,
00:31:24.530 --> 00:31:29.530
for proposing an extension
on moratorium on shutoff.
00:31:29.910 --> 00:31:34.360
As a former elected and
current appointed city official,
00:31:34.360 --> 00:31:36.660
I frequently check in with my neighbors
00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:39.080
and I know that the recovery
00:31:39.080 --> 00:31:41.970
has not embraced everyone yet,
00:31:41.970 --> 00:31:44.000
and many of my constituents
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.023
and community members continue to hurt.
00:31:47.280 --> 00:31:51.100
I also wish to speak to resolution E5150
00:31:52.590 --> 00:31:55.360
and respectfully ask that it be tabled.
00:31:55.360 --> 00:32:00.110
You have already heard
testimony on it's trial backs
00:32:00.110 --> 00:32:03.530
and how it's offered looks
significant societal benefits,
00:32:03.530 --> 00:32:06.390
but I can just tell you
from my perspective,
00:32:06.390 --> 00:32:09.100
our city and cities just like it
00:32:09.100 --> 00:32:14.100
are striving to engage in
local and regional resiliency,
00:32:14.490 --> 00:32:17.570
rooftop solar and other
distributed generation
00:32:17.570 --> 00:32:20.230
are a key strategy to that.
00:32:20.230 --> 00:32:23.640
This resolution, if it moves forward
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:26.870
will squelch our efforts to electrify
00:32:26.870 --> 00:32:29.860
and provide an affordable
access to energy for all.
00:32:29.860 --> 00:32:30.693
Thank you.
00:32:33.460 --> 00:32:35.933
Thank you, operator,
next caller, please.
00:32:37.330 --> 00:32:39.210
Our next
caller is Alex Kronauer.
00:32:39.210 --> 00:32:40.060
You may go ahead.
00:32:41.250 --> 00:32:42.120
Oh, good morning.
00:32:42.120 --> 00:32:44.650
My name is Alex Kronauer
and I'm a Senior Manager
00:32:44.650 --> 00:32:47.640
on the energy services team at Walmart.
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.130
Thank you for the opportunity
to speak to you today.
00:32:50.130 --> 00:32:52.550
I would like to again, urge the CPUC
00:32:52.550 --> 00:32:56.140
to reconsider it's proposed
decision on Senate Bill 237,
00:32:56.140 --> 00:32:59.150
which recommends not
expanding direct access.
00:32:59.150 --> 00:33:02.900
The reason stated in the PD
for not expanding direct access
00:33:02.900 --> 00:33:04.830
is that reliability will be impaired
00:33:05.750 --> 00:33:07.580
simply due to more
customers being served
00:33:07.580 --> 00:33:10.030
by non utility LSE's.
00:33:10.030 --> 00:33:11.360
If this is the case,
00:33:11.360 --> 00:33:13.220
then why do you not
have the same concern
00:33:13.220 --> 00:33:14.680
about this far larger growth
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.890
in community choice aggregation?
00:33:16.890 --> 00:33:18.810
Put simply your logic and rationale
00:33:18.810 --> 00:33:21.920
for denying a direct
access expansion is flawed
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.580
as both direct access and CCA expansion
00:33:24.580 --> 00:33:26.940
can occur within the rules
that you have established
00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:28.840
to maintain reliability.
00:33:28.840 --> 00:33:30.630
And additionally,
00:33:30.630 --> 00:33:33.370
the PD also ignores
this express directive
00:33:33.370 --> 00:33:35.120
in Senate Bill 237,
00:33:35.120 --> 00:33:37.780
that the CPUC must provide a pathway
00:33:37.780 --> 00:33:39.770
for direct access expansion.
00:33:39.770 --> 00:33:41.420
Thank you for your consideration.
00:33:42.590 --> 00:33:44.220
Thank you for your call.
00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:45.720
Operator, next caller, please.
00:33:48.142 --> 00:33:49.940
Our next
caller is David McCord.
00:33:49.940 --> 00:33:50.790
You may go ahead.
00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:56.320
This is David
McCord, I live in El Cerrito.
00:33:56.320 --> 00:34:00.780
Please move proposed resolution E5150
00:34:00.780 --> 00:34:03.760
on the Avoided Cost Calculator.
00:34:03.760 --> 00:34:07.840
The resolution would
undervalue rooftop solar
00:34:10.700 --> 00:34:11.890
too much.
00:34:11.890 --> 00:34:14.010
There are much more broad-based
00:34:14.010 --> 00:34:16.880
and granular modeling tools out there.
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.550
Staff should use these
to get more accurate
00:34:20.550 --> 00:34:25.550
and valid values for avoided costs.
00:34:25.560 --> 00:34:29.610
Local rooftop solar and
storage on the distribution grid
00:34:29.610 --> 00:34:32.940
take strain off of the grid as a whole,
00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:37.400
increases it's resiliency
and reduces giant loss
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.170
from long distance transmission.
00:34:40.170 --> 00:34:45.090
As such, it has much more
value to overall grid resources,
00:34:45.090 --> 00:34:49.030
consumers and state climate goals
00:34:49.030 --> 00:34:52.193
than the proposed
resolution gives us credit for.
00:34:55.100 --> 00:34:57.800
Strongly, incentivize the installation
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.660
of additional rooftop solar and storage,
00:35:00.660 --> 00:35:03.580
and all of your relevant proceedings.
00:35:03.580 --> 00:35:04.413
Thank you.
00:35:05.898 --> 00:35:07.350
Thank you Mr. McCord.
00:35:07.350 --> 00:35:09.153
Operator the next caller, please.
00:35:10.810 --> 00:35:12.630
Our next
caller is Margo Davis.
00:35:12.630 --> 00:35:13.663
You may go ahead.
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:18.420
Hello, Margo
Davis from Ventura.
00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:20.320
I'm calling regarding
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:23.883
the Southern California
gas compressor station.
00:35:24.720 --> 00:35:26.800
And I would like to ask you
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:31.800
to please consider putting
this item on your agenda now,
00:35:33.530 --> 00:35:37.017
and to revisit the PUC 2019 approval
00:35:40.750 --> 00:35:43.180
of this expansion project
00:35:43.180 --> 00:35:48.153
and to consider requiring
an EIR for my community.
00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:54.760
This compressor is located
where it should not be,
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.920
directly in the middle of
a residential community
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.240
across the street from
an elementary school.
00:36:01.240 --> 00:36:04.470
You are aware of this fact.
00:36:04.470 --> 00:36:07.280
The gas company applied to the PUC
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:11.000
to permit this new
fossil fuel infrastructure.
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:16.000
And this body in 2019
gave rubber stamp approval,
00:36:17.870 --> 00:36:20.500
apparently with no consideration
00:36:20.500 --> 00:36:22.800
of the inappropriate location,
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.800
the school, the community,
or the increased danger.
00:36:27.980 --> 00:36:31.390
This PUC approval was an error.
00:36:31.390 --> 00:36:33.240
It was a mistake.
00:36:33.240 --> 00:36:36.260
A court will find it negligent.
00:36:36.260 --> 00:36:38.990
You can correct the mistake.
00:36:38.990 --> 00:36:40.560
You can save the state
00:36:40.560 --> 00:36:44.270
and the taxpayers a lot of legal fees.
00:36:44.270 --> 00:36:49.270
The PUC has jurisdiction
to correct it's own errors.
00:36:49.310 --> 00:36:52.760
Please consider putting
this on your agenda
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:57.030
and revisiting the 2019 approval
00:36:57.030 --> 00:37:00.820
and requiring an EIR for my community
00:37:00.820 --> 00:37:03.313
in the west side of Ventura.
00:37:03.313 --> 00:37:05.070
Thank you.
Well over time.
00:37:05.070 --> 00:37:06.470
Okay, thank you.
00:37:06.470 --> 00:37:08.120
Operator the next caller, please.
00:37:09.890 --> 00:37:11.940
Our next
caller is Rebecca Baxter.
00:37:11.940 --> 00:37:12.790
You may go ahead.
00:37:13.890 --> 00:37:15.930
Good morning, my
name is Rebecca Terrazas-Baxter
00:37:15.930 --> 00:37:17.920
and I am the Intergovernmental
Relations Director
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:19.230
for the County of Imperial.
00:37:19.230 --> 00:37:20.880
And I'm speaking in regards to item 26
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:21.990
on your regular agenda.
00:37:21.990 --> 00:37:24.130
On behalf of the Imperial
County Board of Supervisors,
00:37:24.130 --> 00:37:26.360
I'd like to express our strong support
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:27.850
of ALJ features proposal
00:37:27.850 --> 00:37:29.610
to procure at least 1000 megawatts
00:37:29.610 --> 00:37:32.140
of geothermal resources by 2025.
00:37:32.140 --> 00:37:34.430
We are in favor of specific
technology mandates
00:37:34.430 --> 00:37:36.553
such as geothermal in the proceeding,
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.940
as opposed to specifying the attributes
00:37:39.940 --> 00:37:41.420
of the types of resources needed.
00:37:41.420 --> 00:37:44.200
Our concern is that without
specifying the technology,
00:37:44.200 --> 00:37:45.033
there is a potential
00:37:45.033 --> 00:37:47.030
to completely eliminate
geothermal resources
00:37:47.030 --> 00:37:48.830
from playing a role
in the state's program
00:37:48.830 --> 00:37:50.660
to advance renewable energy.
00:37:50.660 --> 00:37:52.700
The procurement of
additional geothermal resources
00:37:52.700 --> 00:37:55.690
is necessary to promote
resource diversity,
00:37:55.690 --> 00:37:58.140
help to ensure that sufficient
electric capacity exists
00:37:58.140 --> 00:37:59.080
to meet demand
00:37:59.080 --> 00:38:02.050
and enhances the overall
reliability of the electrical grid.
00:38:02.050 --> 00:38:02.883
Additionally,
00:38:02.883 --> 00:38:04.940
the procurement of additional
geothermal resources
00:38:04.940 --> 00:38:08.010
would provide much needed
jobs and economic activity
00:38:08.010 --> 00:38:10.420
to disadvantaged areas in California
00:38:10.420 --> 00:38:13.220
that were even more impacted
by the COVID-19 pandemic,
00:38:13.220 --> 00:38:15.060
such as Imperial County.
00:38:15.060 --> 00:38:15.893
For these reasons,
00:38:15.893 --> 00:38:18.570
the county is eager to
work with you and your staff
00:38:18.570 --> 00:38:20.410
to make geothermal
procurement a reality,
00:38:20.410 --> 00:38:22.730
and we urge your strong
consideration of maintaining
00:38:22.730 --> 00:38:24.280
the specific technology mandate
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:25.860
of 1000 megawatts of geothermal.
00:38:25.860 --> 00:38:27.560
Thank you very much for your time.
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:30.040
Thank you.
00:38:30.040 --> 00:38:31.723
Operator the next caller, please.
00:38:32.989 --> 00:38:35.617
Our next
caller is Valerie Martinez.
00:38:35.617 --> 00:38:36.500
Concern is that
00:38:36.500 --> 00:38:37.610
without specifying the technology-
00:38:37.610 --> 00:38:39.503
Hi, can you hear me?
00:38:40.967 --> 00:38:42.350
Can you hear me?
00:38:42.350 --> 00:38:45.760
We can hear you but we're
having some background noise.
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.973
I'm sorry,
can you hear me now?
00:38:48.918 --> 00:38:51.910
We can hear you okay, just
something else is interfering.
00:38:51.910 --> 00:38:52.910
Hang on.
There's commenter
00:38:52.910 --> 00:38:55.303
is playing the webcast.
00:38:57.060 --> 00:38:58.200
Is that better?
00:38:58.200 --> 00:39:00.180
Did that take care of the problem?
00:39:00.180 --> 00:39:01.160
Yes, that did.
00:39:01.160 --> 00:39:03.580
All right, thank you.
Thank you.
00:39:03.580 --> 00:39:05.000
May I begin?
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.320
Yes, you may.
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:07.270
Okay, thank you.
00:39:07.270 --> 00:39:08.760
So my name is Valerie Martinez.
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:10.200
I'm the Executive Director
00:39:10.200 --> 00:39:12.437
of Redwood Community Action Agency
00:39:12.437 --> 00:39:14.490
and the current President of Access,
00:39:14.490 --> 00:39:18.350
a Statewide low-income
energy program advocate.
00:39:18.350 --> 00:39:21.623
We wanna go on record on
fully supporting agenda item 27
00:39:21.623 --> 00:39:23.850
and its proposed outcomes,
00:39:23.850 --> 00:39:25.770
which we firmly believe will safeguard
00:39:25.770 --> 00:39:29.125
the low-income households
affected by their arrearages
00:39:29.125 --> 00:39:32.250
that are covered under
the current moratorium.
00:39:32.250 --> 00:39:35.270
We strongly support the
extension of the moratorium
00:39:35.270 --> 00:39:37.440
to the end of September
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.470
and thank Commissioner Guzman Aceves
00:39:40.470 --> 00:39:42.337
for her leadership on this issue.
00:39:42.337 --> 00:39:44.670
Before the recommended
the proposed decision,
00:39:44.670 --> 00:39:48.120
building flexibilities to help
create new opportunities
00:39:48.120 --> 00:39:50.740
to better serve low-income consumers
00:39:50.740 --> 00:39:52.550
affected by the arrearages.
00:39:52.550 --> 00:39:54.920
Such as re-examining the rules governing
00:39:56.470 --> 00:39:58.390
the AMP program
00:39:58.390 --> 00:40:00.160
through discussions with the Commission
00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:03.260
and along a recent meeting we had.
00:40:03.260 --> 00:40:04.700
There are many other opportunities
00:40:04.700 --> 00:40:07.020
that can be brought to bear on this.
00:40:07.020 --> 00:40:09.480
We fully support the decisions,
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.970
proposed decisions
extension, as I said previously,
00:40:12.970 --> 00:40:13.803
and at this time
(bell rings)
00:40:13.803 --> 00:40:15.093
it's wise thing to do.
00:40:16.670 --> 00:40:18.340
Again, I catch the end of this,
00:40:18.340 --> 00:40:19.563
so thank you very much.
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:22.840
Thank you.
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:24.490
Operator the next caller, please.
00:40:28.936 --> 00:40:30.710
Our next
caller is Angie Baldarez.
00:40:30.710 --> 00:40:31.560
You may go ahead.
00:40:33.090 --> 00:40:35.270
Yes, hello, my
name is Angi Baldarez
00:40:35.270 --> 00:40:36.490
and I am calling
00:40:37.660 --> 00:40:39.690
regarding the IRP proceedings.
00:40:39.690 --> 00:40:41.920
I like to keep encouraging
the Commissioners
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:43.550
to continue to stand strong
00:40:43.550 --> 00:40:46.570
in helping in California
to solve climate change
00:40:46.570 --> 00:40:48.830
and move us away from fossil fuels.
00:40:48.830 --> 00:40:51.550
We cannot afford
pollution from gas plants
00:40:51.550 --> 00:40:53.500
that attack our lungs.
00:40:53.500 --> 00:40:55.920
I urge the Commissioners to stay strong
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.830
on rejecting the continuous
waste of money on fossil fuels.
00:41:00.830 --> 00:41:04.610
They're are continuing to
harm our frontline communities.
00:41:04.610 --> 00:41:09.610
Let's make sure we have
strong plans for renewable energy
00:41:09.640 --> 00:41:13.310
and prioritize communities
like mine here in the IE
00:41:13.310 --> 00:41:16.720
who are most impacted
by the worst air quality.
00:41:16.720 --> 00:41:19.730
We cannot afford to keep
putting our residents in harm
00:41:19.730 --> 00:41:21.500
of toxic air.
00:41:21.500 --> 00:41:24.710
Thank you for the work you
are doing and continue to do,
00:41:24.710 --> 00:41:27.670
but this is just the step
in the right direction.
00:41:27.670 --> 00:41:29.650
We have a long way to go
00:41:29.650 --> 00:41:32.890
in order to protect and
keep our community safe
00:41:32.890 --> 00:41:34.430
and breathing clean air.
00:41:34.430 --> 00:41:36.740
Remember when voting
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.702
and when
(bell rings)
00:41:40.702 --> 00:41:43.690
keep close to your heart community
00:41:43.690 --> 00:41:45.930
and their wellbeing and their health
00:41:45.930 --> 00:41:47.970
and not the corporate's dollars.
00:41:47.970 --> 00:41:51.340
Whenever you make your
vote, stand by community always.
00:41:51.340 --> 00:41:52.173
Thank you.
00:41:54.602 --> 00:41:55.435
Thank you.
00:41:55.435 --> 00:41:57.647
Operator the next caller, please.
00:41:57.647 --> 00:42:00.740
Our next
caller is Malia Coranaga.
00:42:00.740 --> 00:42:01.590
You may go ahead.
00:42:02.620 --> 00:42:04.600
Hi, my name Malia Coranaga
00:42:04.600 --> 00:42:07.920
and I'm commenting on
the integrated resource plan.
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:08.753
I'm very happy
00:42:08.753 --> 00:42:12.170
that the new IRP removed
all fossil fuel procurement
00:42:12.170 --> 00:42:14.450
by eliminating glass gas plants,
00:42:14.450 --> 00:42:17.130
and I urge you to retain
this position on this
00:42:17.130 --> 00:42:19.070
and future decisions.
00:42:19.070 --> 00:42:21.680
In addition to
eliminating fossil fuel use,
00:42:21.680 --> 00:42:25.090
I'd also like to see more
investment in renewable energy,
00:42:25.090 --> 00:42:27.900
especially in disadvantaged communities
00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:30.230
that are currently suffering
the negative effects
00:42:30.230 --> 00:42:33.490
of fossil fuel extraction and use.
00:42:33.490 --> 00:42:35.010
Thank you for your leadership.
00:42:35.010 --> 00:42:35.843
I'm done.
00:42:38.490 --> 00:42:39.650
Thank you.
00:42:39.650 --> 00:42:41.303
Operator the next caller, please.
00:42:42.970 --> 00:42:45.620
Our next
caller is Audrey Ichinose.
00:42:45.620 --> 00:42:46.470
You may go ahead.
00:42:47.620 --> 00:42:48.453
Thank you.
00:42:48.453 --> 00:42:49.640
I'm Adrrey Ichinose,
00:42:49.640 --> 00:42:52.070
from East Bay Clean Power Alliance.
00:42:52.070 --> 00:42:54.640
I urge the Commission to do two things.
00:42:54.640 --> 00:42:58.550
The moratorium on utility
shutoffs needs to be extended
00:42:58.550 --> 00:43:01.640
and further since the Governor
is on the verge of announcing
00:43:01.640 --> 00:43:04.460
a major debt relief program for renters,
00:43:04.460 --> 00:43:07.220
the CPUC should support this effort
00:43:07.220 --> 00:43:10.073
by also canceling their utility debt.
00:43:11.250 --> 00:43:14.060
My second concern is resolution 5150,
00:43:14.060 --> 00:43:16.600
a major change that
needs careful scrutiny
00:43:16.600 --> 00:43:18.680
and thorough public debate.
00:43:18.680 --> 00:43:21.360
The Avoided Cost Calculator
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:25.400
is presently applied one
sidedly to benefit the IOUs
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:27.400
and because of its far
reaching importance
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:28.960
on so many issues,
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.800
please reschedule any
consideration of the ACC.
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:33.853
Thank you very much.
00:43:36.170 --> 00:43:37.120
Thank you.
00:43:37.120 --> 00:43:38.733
Operator, next caller, please.
00:43:40.135 --> 00:43:42.170
Our next
caller, Joan Taylor.
00:43:42.170 --> 00:43:43.020
You may go ahead.
00:43:45.150 --> 00:43:47.780
Hello, I'm calling
from Palm Springs,
00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:52.020
and oppose 5150 for
all the reasons stated.
00:43:52.020 --> 00:43:55.363
In addition, it fails to look
the cost of transmission.
00:43:57.060 --> 00:44:00.130
Essentially, if we
get rid of rooftop solar
00:44:00.130 --> 00:44:03.070
and lower the value
of energy efficiency,
00:44:03.070 --> 00:44:05.120
we're just gonna keep
the goalposts moving.
00:44:05.120 --> 00:44:09.110
If we wanna reach the
state decarbonization goals,
00:44:09.110 --> 00:44:12.490
we have to have very
strong energy efficiency
00:44:12.490 --> 00:44:14.070
and rooftop solar.
00:44:14.070 --> 00:44:15.870
So please pull 5150.
00:44:15.870 --> 00:44:16.703
Thank you.
00:44:18.450 --> 00:44:19.640
Thank you.
00:44:19.640 --> 00:44:21.343
Operator the next caller, please.
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.293
Our next
caller is Harry Lumba.
00:44:34.496 --> 00:44:35.346
You may go ahead.
00:44:37.160 --> 00:44:39.460
Hi, this is Dr. Harry Lumba
00:44:39.460 --> 00:44:41.750
from (inaudible)
00:44:42.910 --> 00:44:46.540
I have proposed a global energy climate
00:44:46.540 --> 00:44:48.540
and core system plan,
00:44:48.540 --> 00:44:53.490
but I also have proposed
on detail time for California.
00:44:53.490 --> 00:44:54.570
Regardless of that,
00:44:54.570 --> 00:44:56.820
I'm asking the dear Commissioners
00:44:56.820 --> 00:45:01.280
to please reject resolution 5150.
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.240
I've had a long association
with the local energy.
00:45:04.240 --> 00:45:07.110
The two challenges
that you face are one,
00:45:07.110 --> 00:45:11.790
how to meet the climate and
energy goals for 2030 and 2050.
00:45:11.790 --> 00:45:13.630
Commissioners your second one
00:45:13.630 --> 00:45:16.930
is how to have the
benefits of all of this
00:45:16.930 --> 00:45:18.173
to be more distributed.
00:45:19.170 --> 00:45:21.310
To have solar energy
benefits more distributed,
00:45:21.310 --> 00:45:25.890
you need more rooftop solar
as it provides greater value,
00:45:25.890 --> 00:45:27.830
reduces transmission costs
00:45:27.830 --> 00:45:32.280
and also increases resiliency,
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:35.060
and you need lots of consumers
00:45:35.060 --> 00:45:36.970
as well as solar contractors
00:45:36.970 --> 00:45:39.010
benefiting from this process.
00:45:39.010 --> 00:45:43.150
So I ask you to reject resolution 5150,
00:45:43.150 --> 00:45:46.163
thank you very much.
(bell rings)
00:45:47.580 --> 00:45:49.743
Operator the
next caller, please.
00:45:51.215 --> 00:45:53.140
Our next
caller is Keith Wywoody.
00:45:53.140 --> 00:45:54.623
You may go ahead.
00:45:56.520 --> 00:45:58.563
Hi, this is Keith WyWoody
00:45:58.563 --> 00:46:01.470
with the Reclaim Our Power
Utility Justice Campaign.
00:46:01.470 --> 00:46:05.010
We represent over 75 organizations
00:46:05.010 --> 00:46:08.420
from environmental justice
and low-income communities
00:46:08.420 --> 00:46:11.200
and bio-tech survivor
and disability communities
00:46:11.200 --> 00:46:12.440
across the state.
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.210
Calling to encourage you all to vote
00:46:15.210 --> 00:46:17.250
with Commissioner Guzman Acevez.
00:46:17.250 --> 00:46:20.057
Incredibly grateful for you
Commissioner Guzman Acevez
00:46:20.057 --> 00:46:22.990
for putting forward a
extension to the moratorium,
00:46:22.990 --> 00:46:24.990
and that's a great first step.
00:46:24.990 --> 00:46:26.420
So we get three more months
00:46:26.420 --> 00:46:28.930
where people do not go into further debt
00:46:28.930 --> 00:46:30.210
and get their credit knocked
00:46:30.210 --> 00:46:32.420
for not being the ability to pay.
00:46:32.420 --> 00:46:36.290
Meanwhile, PG&E is raising
their executive salaries,
00:46:36.290 --> 00:46:38.800
paying lawyers to avoid the regulations
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:40.440
that you all have put in place
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.230
around their fire mitigation
00:46:42.230 --> 00:46:44.560
and the fires and the
deaths that they've caused
00:46:44.560 --> 00:46:47.790
and doing everything that
they can to hold on to power.
00:46:47.790 --> 00:46:49.700
So that's a great first step.
00:46:49.700 --> 00:46:53.010
Now let's work on
making sure that first of all,
00:46:53.010 --> 00:46:55.420
the rest of the Commissioners
vote for the extension
00:46:55.420 --> 00:46:58.240
and work on making sure that rate payers
00:46:58.240 --> 00:47:00.090
and tax payers don't bear the burden
00:47:00.090 --> 00:47:03.540
that this corporate entity
has to pick up the tab
00:47:03.540 --> 00:47:06.690
for the damage that has been caused
00:47:06.690 --> 00:47:08.900
and also encourage accountability
00:47:08.900 --> 00:47:10.240
in every step of this process.
00:47:10.240 --> 00:47:11.440
Thank you for your time.
00:47:14.500 --> 00:47:15.333
Thank you.
00:47:15.333 --> 00:47:16.833
Operator, next caller, please.
00:47:18.350 --> 00:47:20.230
Our next
caller is Leslie Tran.
00:47:20.230 --> 00:47:21.080
You may go ahead.
00:47:22.660 --> 00:47:25.450
Hi, I'm Leslie Tran
from the Uni Bay Area
00:47:25.450 --> 00:47:27.680
and I stand with the Reclaim
Our Power Campaign,
00:47:27.680 --> 00:47:29.080
and I thank you for extending
00:47:29.080 --> 00:47:32.470
or considering extending
the shutoff moratorium
00:47:32.470 --> 00:47:34.010
into September.
00:47:34.010 --> 00:47:36.050
But I also wanna call to ensure
00:47:36.050 --> 00:47:39.650
that you not raise rates or
fees on residential Californians
00:47:39.650 --> 00:47:41.590
to cover consumer debt.
00:47:41.590 --> 00:47:43.320
Waiting for the state
and federal government
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.170
to transfer taxpayer money to utilities
00:47:46.170 --> 00:47:48.470
while potentially
subjecting people to shut off
00:47:48.470 --> 00:47:50.680
incurring deeper debt
and damaging credit
00:47:50.680 --> 00:47:52.090
is the wrong solution.
00:47:52.090 --> 00:47:56.280
Once again, the CPUC
is shifting the burden away
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:59.190
from the Wall Street
investors and onto the people.
00:47:59.190 --> 00:48:02.520
Just like you've allowed
with PG&E raising rates
00:48:02.520 --> 00:48:04.680
for our failed wildfire plans.
00:48:04.680 --> 00:48:06.660
It has to stop now.
00:48:06.660 --> 00:48:09.050
So we demand that you
hold PG&E accountable
00:48:09.050 --> 00:48:11.930
for causing fires, reckless
shutoff and raising rates
00:48:11.930 --> 00:48:15.860
to fund the doubling of
their executive salaries.
00:48:15.860 --> 00:48:19.160
I'm also a rooftop solar owner,
00:48:19.160 --> 00:48:23.320
and I also ask that you
table 5150 resolution
00:48:25.220 --> 00:48:29.250
in order to promote democratic
ownership of electricity
00:48:29.250 --> 00:48:32.554
and to create a more
resilient grid power system.
00:48:32.554 --> 00:48:33.387
Thank you.
00:48:39.370 --> 00:48:40.350
Thank you.
00:48:40.350 --> 00:48:42.083
Operator the next caller, please.
00:48:43.540 --> 00:48:45.840
Our next
caller is Gabriela Mendez.
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:46.690
You may go ahead.
00:48:52.720 --> 00:48:53.670
Hello.
00:48:55.460 --> 00:48:58.090
Hello, please go
ahead, we can hear you.
00:48:58.090 --> 00:48:58.923
Oh, thank you.
00:48:58.923 --> 00:49:00.390
Good morning, I am Gabriela Mendez,
00:49:00.390 --> 00:49:03.030
a community member in Riverside County.
00:49:03.030 --> 00:49:05.007
I am calling in today
to congratulate you
00:49:05.007 --> 00:49:08.720
for all your hard work on
the most recent proposed rule.
00:49:08.720 --> 00:49:10.800
I'm looking forward to
having more renewable energy
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:12.020
in our communities.
00:49:12.020 --> 00:49:13.590
I specifically want to thank you
00:49:13.590 --> 00:49:18.407
for ordering 11,500 megawatts,
zero emitting resources,
00:49:18.407 --> 00:49:20.550
and also ask that you choose
00:49:20.550 --> 00:49:25.550
a 38 million metric tons MMT
greenhouse gas target now,
00:49:26.250 --> 00:49:30.680
and it's also a lower 30 MMT
target in the next RFP cycle.
00:49:30.680 --> 00:49:33.920
We need to continue to
support our frontline communities
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:35.720
and adopting this rule will be a great
00:49:35.720 --> 00:49:37.520
and necessary next step.
00:49:37.520 --> 00:49:38.493
Thank you so much.
00:49:41.108 --> 00:49:41.941
Thank you.
00:49:41.941 --> 00:49:45.244
Next caller please.
00:49:45.244 --> 00:49:47.920
And our next
caller is Wendy Miranda.
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:48.770
You may go ahead.
00:49:50.850 --> 00:49:52.293
Hi, can you hear me?
00:49:53.580 --> 00:49:55.660
Hello?
Yes we can, please go ahead.
00:49:55.660 --> 00:49:57.340
We can hear you.
Yeah, okay.
00:49:57.340 --> 00:50:00.430
So I'm speaking on the IRP proceeding.
00:50:00.430 --> 00:50:01.860
So hi, my name is Wendy.
00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:03.080
I'm a resident of Wilmington
00:50:03.080 --> 00:50:04.970
here in the city of Los Angeles,
00:50:04.970 --> 00:50:06.430
and I support the Commission's plans
00:50:06.430 --> 00:50:10.470
to order over 10,000 megawatts
to zero emitting resources.
00:50:10.470 --> 00:50:12.317
This is a major investment
in renewable energy
00:50:12.317 --> 00:50:14.400
and the right level of new bills
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.860
that we need to meet our climate goals.
00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:19.410
And I wanna thank you for recognizing
00:50:19.410 --> 00:50:21.050
the urgent need for this.
00:50:21.050 --> 00:50:24.010
However, the Commission
does need to reject plans
00:50:24.010 --> 00:50:26.140
to waste any more money on gas plants
00:50:26.140 --> 00:50:28.580
and it's upcoming IRP decision.
00:50:28.580 --> 00:50:31.240
The Commission needs to
stop wasting rate payer money
00:50:31.240 --> 00:50:32.243
on fossil fuels.
00:50:33.394 --> 00:50:35.330
Gas plants pollute our communities,
00:50:35.330 --> 00:50:38.440
destroy our climate
and hurt the bottom line
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:41.050
for clean energy and green jobs
00:50:41.050 --> 00:50:42.730
and frontline communities deserve
00:50:42.730 --> 00:50:46.800
focus clean energy investment
rather than fossil fuels.
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.370
The Commission should prioritize
disadvantaged communities
00:50:49.370 --> 00:50:51.350
for clean energy deployment,
00:50:51.350 --> 00:50:53.010
especially disadvantaged communities
00:50:53.010 --> 00:50:54.970
that suffer from poor air quality.
00:50:54.970 --> 00:50:56.780
So I'm urging the Commission to adopt
00:50:56.780 --> 00:51:00.850
a 38 million metric tons of
greenhouse gas target now
00:51:00.850 --> 00:51:04.607
and adopt a lower 30
million metric tons target
00:51:04.607 --> 00:51:07.163
in the next IRP cycle, thank you.
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:12.810
Thank you.
00:51:12.810 --> 00:51:14.313
Operator, next caller, please.
00:51:17.533 --> 00:51:19.820
Our next caller
is from Dr. Patrick Kern.
00:51:19.820 --> 00:51:20.993
You may go ahead.
00:51:26.870 --> 00:51:29.100
Good morning Madam
President and Commissioners.
00:51:29.100 --> 00:51:30.600
My name is Dr. Patrick Kern,
00:51:30.600 --> 00:51:32.300
I'm a rate payer in the South Bay.
00:51:33.140 --> 00:51:35.380
I want to thank you the Commission
00:51:35.380 --> 00:51:38.180
for your efforts to
reinforce the safety net
00:51:38.180 --> 00:51:41.360
for those impacted by the
pandemic through illness,
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.400
unemployment, loss of business
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:47.610
and communities on the wrong
side of the financial chasm.
00:51:47.610 --> 00:51:49.400
This rate payer would
like to acknowledge
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.680
the ongoing efforts of the Commission
00:51:51.680 --> 00:51:56.320
in dealing with rate
payers view of affordability,
00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:00.340
using a cumulative
view of utility balances,
00:52:00.340 --> 00:52:05.170
the illusionary disjointed
tactic using piecemeal requests
00:52:05.170 --> 00:52:09.200
for deceptively small revenue changes
00:52:09.200 --> 00:52:14.070
that the sum is overwhelming
to the disadvantaged.
00:52:14.070 --> 00:52:16.880
I would especially acknowledge
Commissioner Aceves'
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.373
timely proposed decision in the OIR,
00:52:20.390 --> 00:52:23.150
assessing affordability
of utility services
00:52:23.150 --> 00:52:26.633
and the Governor's executive
order on the moratorium.
00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:32.670
I would like to reclaim my yielded time
00:52:32.670 --> 00:52:34.640
from the 6, June
00:52:34.640 --> 00:52:37.523
if the Commissioner would be so kind.
00:52:38.900 --> 00:52:40.590
Per president's opening comment,
00:52:40.590 --> 00:52:43.820
we agree that citizens
participation is critical.
00:52:43.820 --> 00:52:47.690
We want to make the Commission
aware that their programs
00:52:47.690 --> 00:52:51.740
intended to assist low
and fixed income citizens
00:52:51.740 --> 00:52:53.420
are being misinterpreted
00:52:53.420 --> 00:52:57.870
and potentially corrupted
by utilities inadvertently
00:52:57.870 --> 00:52:59.460
and their subcontractors.
00:52:59.460 --> 00:53:03.360
The CARE program and now
San Jose water companies rap
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.050
have broadened qualifying period
00:53:06.050 --> 00:53:08.490
without apparent authorization
00:53:08.490 --> 00:53:09.600
to include customers.
Sir, I'm sorry,
00:53:09.600 --> 00:53:10.670
your time is up
00:53:12.060 --> 00:53:13.910
and we need to move
on to the next caller.
00:53:13.910 --> 00:53:15.930
We appreciate your comments, thank you.
00:53:15.930 --> 00:53:17.030
Thank you.
00:53:20.340 --> 00:53:21.943
Operator, next caller, please.
00:53:23.053 --> 00:53:25.130
Our next
caller is Joseph Ruiz.
00:53:25.130 --> 00:53:25.980
You may go ahead.
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.360
Hello, my
name is Joseph Ruiz.
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:33.823
I wanted to speak on item number 26.
00:53:35.170 --> 00:53:36.890
I'm in support of the Commission's plan
00:53:36.890 --> 00:53:40.873
to order over 10,000 megawatts
zero in emitting resources,
00:53:41.720 --> 00:53:43.120
but we also need it.
00:53:43.120 --> 00:53:44.960
We need you guys to reject the plans
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:49.580
to waste more money on gas
plants in the upcoming decision
00:53:49.580 --> 00:53:51.900
and to prioritize frontline communities
00:53:51.900 --> 00:53:54.780
like mine in Wilmington.
00:53:54.780 --> 00:53:56.770
Frontline communities like Wilmington
00:53:57.720 --> 00:54:00.210
deserve focused clean energy investments
00:54:00.210 --> 00:54:02.550
rather than dirty
fossil fuels, thank you.
00:54:05.350 --> 00:54:06.530
Thank you.
00:54:06.530 --> 00:54:08.030
Operator, next caller, please.
00:54:10.860 --> 00:54:13.050
Our next
caller is Korina Gonzalez.
00:54:13.050 --> 00:54:13.900
You may go ahead.
00:54:16.260 --> 00:54:17.620
Good morning,
President Batjer
00:54:17.620 --> 00:54:18.453
and Commissioners.
00:54:18.453 --> 00:54:19.790
My name is Korina Gonzalez
00:54:19.790 --> 00:54:22.820
and I'm a rate payer
in SPG New Territory.
00:54:22.820 --> 00:54:24.900
I'm calling in today to
respectfully urge you
00:54:24.900 --> 00:54:28.130
to not approve updates to
the Avoided Cost Calculator
00:54:28.130 --> 00:54:30.480
until the new methodology
is thoroughly vetted
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.510
with a wide range of stakeholders
00:54:32.510 --> 00:54:34.610
and put through a public process.
00:54:34.610 --> 00:54:37.290
The proposed changes in
the calculator are not minor
00:54:37.290 --> 00:54:39.410
and undercut the value of solar.
00:54:39.410 --> 00:54:41.460
Given that the calculator
is going to be used
00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:44.470
to evaluate the proposals
in the NEM-3 proceeding,
00:54:44.470 --> 00:54:46.450
it would be nearly
impossible for the Commission
00:54:46.450 --> 00:54:48.780
to establish a strong NEM-3.
00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:50.490
You have the power to vote on the future
00:54:50.490 --> 00:54:52.220
of rooftop solar in California,
00:54:52.220 --> 00:54:54.150
the nation's top solar state.
00:54:54.150 --> 00:54:56.790
And I ask that you allow rooftop solar
00:54:56.790 --> 00:55:00.200
to continue to grow
sustainably as directed by law.
00:55:00.200 --> 00:55:01.033
Thank you.
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:04.550
Thank you.
00:55:04.550 --> 00:55:06.200
Operator, the next caller please.
00:55:08.160 --> 00:55:09.780
Our next
caller is Ryan Pickering.
00:55:09.780 --> 00:55:10.630
You may go ahead.
00:55:12.690 --> 00:55:14.590
Hello, my name
is Ryan Pickering
00:55:14.590 --> 00:55:16.770
from Berkeley, California.
00:55:16.770 --> 00:55:20.680
I am calling to seek a
hold on resolution 5150.
00:55:22.560 --> 00:55:26.680
My feeling is that multiple
studies have concluded
00:55:26.680 --> 00:55:29.110
that residential and
commercial solar power
00:55:29.110 --> 00:55:32.100
are a net benefit to American utilities.
00:55:32.100 --> 00:55:34.820
Furthermore studies show
that distributed generation
00:55:34.820 --> 00:55:38.820
like solar enables more
utility scale renewables,
00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:41.860
again, showing a net
profit and net benefit
00:55:41.860 --> 00:55:44.050
for California utilities.
00:55:44.050 --> 00:55:45.930
While the Avoided Cost Calculator
00:55:45.930 --> 00:55:47.940
should be an evolving tool,
00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:52.410
this new effort to modify the
ACC to devalue rooftop solar
00:55:52.410 --> 00:55:54.600
is not evidence-based.
00:55:54.600 --> 00:55:57.600
Furthermore, any action
to devalue residential solar
00:55:57.600 --> 00:56:01.540
will curtail low and medium
income homeowner's ability
00:56:01.540 --> 00:56:04.450
to gain the benefits
of renewable energy.
00:56:04.450 --> 00:56:05.810
It feels disingenuous
00:56:05.810 --> 00:56:08.920
to use our fellow lower
income community members
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:12.167
as a strong man to
further utility interests.
00:56:12.167 --> 00:56:14.760
The distributed generation movement can
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:18.270
and will work with utilities
to ensure more reliability,
00:56:18.270 --> 00:56:21.490
more affordability
and deliverable future
00:56:21.490 --> 00:56:24.730
in California.
(bell rings)
00:56:27.040 --> 00:56:27.930
Thank you.
00:56:27.930 --> 00:56:29.780
Operator, you're next caller, please.
00:56:32.100 --> 00:56:33.647
Our next
caller is Jay Ansul.
00:56:33.647 --> 00:56:34.723
You may go ahead.
00:56:35.950 --> 00:56:37.400
Hello, this is Joe Ansul.
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:41.130
I'm calling to ask that
you make no changes
00:56:41.130 --> 00:56:43.260
to the Avoided Cost Calculator.
00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:47.810
And as it as outlined
in draft resolution 5150,
00:56:49.170 --> 00:56:51.550
it's clear that these
changes are a devious
00:56:51.550 --> 00:56:55.050
and malevolent attack on rooftop solar,
00:56:55.050 --> 00:56:56.660
they undervalue it.
00:56:56.660 --> 00:56:59.650
I'd also point out something
that few people note
00:56:59.650 --> 00:57:02.700
that homeowners who put in rooftop solar
00:57:02.700 --> 00:57:05.170
are paying all the capital costs,
00:57:05.170 --> 00:57:07.600
the maintenance
costs, the financing costs
00:57:10.170 --> 00:57:12.360
for production essentially.
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.640
I would urge you not to
undercut net metering.
00:57:15.640 --> 00:57:19.800
This is obviously a step
to attack rooftop solar,
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:23.740
and to ensure that the
IOUs, Investor Owned Utilities
00:57:23.740 --> 00:57:25.480
can charge a fixed fee
00:57:26.850 --> 00:57:30.750
for the privilege of receiving
essentially low cost power
00:57:30.750 --> 00:57:34.860
that then they can sell and then markup.
00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:35.930
So those are my comments.
00:57:35.930 --> 00:57:39.797
Please make no changes
to the AAC, thank you.
00:57:42.370 --> 00:57:43.540
Thank you.
00:57:43.540 --> 00:57:45.093
Operator, next caller, please.
00:57:46.710 --> 00:57:48.900
Our next
caller is Tracy Rosenberg.
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:49.750
You may go ahead.
00:57:51.990 --> 00:57:53.930
Yes, thank you.
00:57:53.930 --> 00:57:57.320
Good morning, my
name is Tracy Rosenberg.
00:57:57.320 --> 00:57:59.680
I am calling on behalf
of the organization
00:57:59.680 --> 00:58:02.730
that I direct, Media Alliance
00:58:02.730 --> 00:58:07.730
and our members throughout
the nine county Bay Area.
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:09.350
And I am asking you both
00:58:09.350 --> 00:58:14.350
to support Commissioner
Guzman Aceves proposal
00:58:14.500 --> 00:58:18.123
for ongoing utility debt relief
00:58:20.670 --> 00:58:24.510
and also to consider making it stronger.
00:58:24.510 --> 00:58:27.540
People are in difficult positions
00:58:27.540 --> 00:58:32.540
through no fault of their own.
00:58:32.580 --> 00:58:35.830
And if we could extend the moratorium
00:58:35.830 --> 00:58:39.510
rather than continuing
to pile debt onto people,
00:58:39.510 --> 00:58:41.400
I think that we can minimize
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:44.180
what are really the cascading problems
00:58:44.180 --> 00:58:47.350
that come out of utility shutoffs
00:58:47.350 --> 00:58:51.063
and ongoing continuing debt
that you can never pay off,
00:58:54.700 --> 00:58:57.560
which include problems
with children going to school.
00:58:57.560 --> 00:58:59.480
It includes job displacement.
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.490
It includes health cuts (bell rings)
00:59:01.490 --> 00:59:03.460
And things are serious
00:59:03.460 --> 00:59:06.807
and we honestly need to help
people out here, thank you.
00:59:08.718 --> 00:59:09.720
Thank you.
00:59:09.720 --> 00:59:11.423
Operator, next caller please.
00:59:14.281 --> 00:59:16.950
And our
next call is from Lylia.
00:59:16.950 --> 00:59:17.800
You may go ahead.
00:59:24.250 --> 00:59:25.870
Again, Lylia, your line is open.
00:59:25.870 --> 00:59:26.720
You may go ahead.
00:59:34.410 --> 00:59:35.913
Lydia, are you there?
00:59:39.961 --> 00:59:40.794
Hello?
00:59:42.881 --> 00:59:44.510
Lydia, I'm sorry, we're
gonna have to move on
00:59:44.510 --> 00:59:46.960
to the next caller, please.
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.540
Please call back in, thank you.
00:59:50.540 --> 00:59:53.230
Operator go onto the next call please.
00:59:53.230 --> 00:59:55.030
Our next caller
is from Mary Kay Benson.
00:59:55.030 --> 00:59:55.880
You may go ahead.
00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:59.870
Hello, at 350 Butte County,
00:59:59.870 --> 01:00:01.900
we stand with Reclaim Our Power
01:00:01.900 --> 01:00:04.540
in demanding utility justice
01:00:04.540 --> 01:00:07.000
and that you cancel utility debt
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.750
and that you ensure the
shareholders pay to cover the debt
01:00:09.750 --> 01:00:12.610
and not low income Californians.
01:00:12.610 --> 01:00:17.160
I live in a seniors mobile
home park with 309 homes.
01:00:17.160 --> 01:00:19.200
It gets hot here in Chico.
01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:24.200
It will be 108 to 109 degrees
Fahrenheit all next week.
01:00:24.310 --> 01:00:27.200
Twice this month, our
power has been shut off.
01:00:27.200 --> 01:00:29.800
All the heat here was in the high 90s.
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:33.173
We received two Flex
Alerts just last week.
01:00:34.290 --> 01:00:36.470
We live under this
domestic terrorist threat
01:00:36.470 --> 01:00:38.270
that every time it gets really hot
01:00:38.270 --> 01:00:41.710
or the winds blow
hard, our power gets cut.
01:00:41.710 --> 01:00:44.530
We are low income and many are disabled.
01:00:44.530 --> 01:00:46.300
Only a few have generators
01:00:46.300 --> 01:00:48.710
to keep their medical
life-saving equipment going
01:00:48.710 --> 01:00:50.470
during these shutoffs.
01:00:50.470 --> 01:00:52.800
I mentioned my senior mobile home park
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:56.120
because the serial killers
as we call PG&E here,
01:00:56.120 --> 01:00:58.480
ever since the 2018 campfires
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:01.570
where PG&E later pled guilty
01:01:01.570 --> 01:01:04.930
to 84 counts of manslaughter,
then the Bear Fire
01:01:04.930 --> 01:01:07.943
and North Complex Fire took 16 more.
01:01:16.050 --> 01:01:17.800
Okay, thank you.
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:19.563
Operator the next caller, please.
01:01:20.890 --> 01:01:22.570
Our next
caller is Stephanie Brown.
01:01:22.570 --> 01:01:23.420
You may go ahead.
01:01:26.350 --> 01:01:27.620
Thank you very much.
01:01:27.620 --> 01:01:28.910
My name is Stephanie Brown,
01:01:28.910 --> 01:01:31.300
I live in San Jose, California.
01:01:31.300 --> 01:01:36.160
I represent Together We
Will / Indivisible Los Gatos
01:01:37.010 --> 01:01:38.630
and I am calling today
01:01:38.630 --> 01:01:41.740
to encourage you to
reject resolution 5150
01:01:41.740 --> 01:01:45.020
for the reasons stated
by previous callers
01:01:45.020 --> 01:01:49.610
and also this over
7,000 statements/letters
01:01:49.610 --> 01:01:53.460
that you've received
to reject this resolution.
01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:58.460
I also urge you to really
dig deep in your work
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:03.690
to make solar a populous solution
01:02:03.690 --> 01:02:05.020
for Californians.
01:02:05.020 --> 01:02:07.120
Just when we are about
01:02:07.120 --> 01:02:09.840
to see solar become
accessible to people,
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.870
we really need even more support of it.
01:02:12.870 --> 01:02:17.870
So I urge you to endorse calculations
01:02:18.270 --> 01:02:21.690
and policies that make
this a popular solution
01:02:21.690 --> 01:02:24.640
and save money for the citizens.
01:02:24.640 --> 01:02:26.490
Thank you very much for your good work
01:02:26.490 --> 01:02:29.230
and we'll be listening.
01:02:29.230 --> 01:02:30.810
Take care.
01:02:30.810 --> 01:02:32.150
Thank you.
01:02:32.150 --> 01:02:33.823
Operator, next caller, please.
01:02:36.010 --> 01:02:37.870
Our next
caller is Nick Piltch.
01:02:37.870 --> 01:02:38.720
You may go ahead.
01:02:40.410 --> 01:02:42.270
Thank you, thank you,
chair and Commissioners,
01:02:42.270 --> 01:02:43.920
and thank you for the
opportunity to speak.
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:47.770
I'm speaking about
draft resolution 5150.
01:02:47.770 --> 01:02:49.530
I want to support all the other callers
01:02:49.530 --> 01:02:52.140
who've spoken against
this draft resolution
01:02:52.140 --> 01:02:56.400
and to ask for much more
public scrutiny on this decision
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:58.370
Save rooftop solar.
01:02:58.370 --> 01:03:01.990
AB 1139 went down because
the people are responding.
01:03:01.990 --> 01:03:04.500
Now, the CPUC's considering
the substance of this bill
01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:06.780
which seem to drastically
reduce the compensation
01:03:06.780 --> 01:03:10.220
to rooftop solar customers
and punish them with fees.
01:03:10.220 --> 01:03:12.510
If you do not table this and once again,
01:03:12.510 --> 01:03:15.150
the CPUC is poised to favor the wealthy,
01:03:15.150 --> 01:03:18.200
profit-driven utilities over the people.
01:03:18.200 --> 01:03:21.930
Please table resolution
5150 and remove the bias
01:03:21.930 --> 01:03:24.570
that undercounts the
value of rooftop solar.
01:03:24.570 --> 01:03:26.990
We must not punish those
who have already done their part
01:03:26.990 --> 01:03:30.200
for resiliency by putting
solar on their roofs.
01:03:30.200 --> 01:03:31.033
Thank you.
01:03:34.715 --> 01:03:35.829
Thank you.
01:03:35.829 --> 01:03:38.127
Operator the next caller, please.
01:03:38.127 --> 01:03:40.240
The next
caller is Laura Dehen.
01:03:40.240 --> 01:03:42.083
The line is open, please go ahead.
01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:45.860
Hello, this is Laura Dehen.
01:03:45.860 --> 01:03:49.280
I'm the State Director at
Environment California.
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.540
I'm also calling in
about item number three,
01:03:51.540 --> 01:03:53.750
resolution 5150,
01:03:53.750 --> 01:03:57.060
to oppose adoption of
the proposed changes
01:03:57.060 --> 01:04:00.340
to the Avoided Cost Calculator today.
01:04:00.340 --> 01:04:04.700
I'm very concerned about
a number of the changes
01:04:04.700 --> 01:04:06.930
that are being described as minor
01:04:06.930 --> 01:04:10.600
and that in fact they are significant
01:04:10.600 --> 01:04:14.070
and would have quite
significant consequences
01:04:14.070 --> 01:04:15.840
in particular on our ability
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:20.840
to get to 100% renewable
energy future as fast as we must.
01:04:23.231 --> 01:04:25.430
Just one example is that
01:04:25.430 --> 01:04:29.520
the new model significantly overestimate
01:04:29.520 --> 01:04:33.700
how quickly large scale
renewable projects can be built,
01:04:33.700 --> 01:04:37.400
anticipate 20 gigawatts
of large-scale solar
01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:39.560
in just five years.
01:04:39.560 --> 01:04:41.980
And our research shows that
01:04:41.980 --> 01:04:45.310
on average, these
projects takes far longer,
01:04:45.310 --> 01:04:47.340
just six years for one project.
01:04:47.340 --> 01:04:52.180
And if we want to get to
100% renewable energy future
01:04:52.180 --> 01:04:53.650
as fast as possible,
01:04:53.650 --> 01:04:57.470
we have to make sure we're
looking at the real benefits
01:04:57.470 --> 01:04:59.830
and the real opportunity
with rooftop solar
01:04:59.830 --> 01:05:02.293
and also energy efficiency, thank you.
01:05:04.690 --> 01:05:06.130
Thank you.
01:05:06.130 --> 01:05:07.830
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:05:09.165 --> 01:05:10.470
Our next
caller is Don Wood.
01:05:10.470 --> 01:05:12.220
Please go ahead, your line is open.
01:05:13.080 --> 01:05:14.570
Hello, my name is Don Wood
01:05:14.570 --> 01:05:17.440
representing the Pacific
Energy Policy Center,
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:21.420
which is an informal coalition
of older energy policy makers
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:24.910
retired from the state
energy regulatory agencies
01:05:24.910 --> 01:05:26.850
and the utilities.
01:05:26.850 --> 01:05:31.170
Please table resolution
E5150 in direct staff
01:05:31.170 --> 01:05:33.680
to remove the anti-solar bias.
01:05:33.680 --> 01:05:35.370
Obviously in the initial details
01:05:35.370 --> 01:05:37.340
so the proposed major changes
01:05:38.290 --> 01:05:41.370
to your traditional
Avoided Cost Calculator.
01:05:41.370 --> 01:05:43.670
Those changes ignore transmission costs
01:05:43.670 --> 01:05:46.580
and most benefits of rooftop solar.
01:05:46.580 --> 01:05:48.940
It's outrageous that
your staff would try
01:05:48.940 --> 01:05:50.590
to have you adopt these changes
01:05:50.590 --> 01:05:52.540
without a full public vetting
01:05:52.540 --> 01:05:55.410
of the new Avoided Cost Calculations,
01:05:55.410 --> 01:05:57.680
especially since they
are radical changes,
01:05:57.680 --> 01:06:01.400
clearly biased against rooftop solar.
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:04.000
Changes being proposed
would make rooftop solar
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:08.277
much less accessible to
low-income utility customers
01:06:08.277 --> 01:06:10.940
and disadvantaged communities.
01:06:10.940 --> 01:06:14.760
The Commission should
also order the utilities
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:16.040
to increase the budgets
01:06:16.040 --> 01:06:19.050
of their low-income
customer rooftop solar
01:06:19.050 --> 01:06:20.720
incentive programs,
01:06:20.720 --> 01:06:23.950
expand those programs
by making rooftop solar
01:06:23.950 --> 01:06:25.390
a standard measure
01:06:25.390 --> 01:06:29.233
under your energy savings
assistance programs.
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:33.610
The ACEP program has weatherized
01:06:33.610 --> 01:06:36.280
millions of homes in California
01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:40.960
and the same or agencies
that do install those measures
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:44.893
could go back to those
homes and install rooftop solar.
01:06:44.893 --> 01:06:45.726
Thank you.
01:06:48.515 --> 01:06:49.440
Thank you.
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:50.653
Next caller, please.
01:06:51.540 --> 01:06:53.890
Our next
caller is Jennifer Tanner.
01:06:53.890 --> 01:06:55.640
Please go ahead, your line is open.
01:06:56.860 --> 01:06:58.410
Yes, Jennifer
Tanner of Green Team.
01:06:58.410 --> 01:07:00.360
Good morning chairman
and Commission members.
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:02.520
Thank you for hearing our comments.
01:07:02.520 --> 01:07:05.710
We're asking you to
reject resolution 5150,
01:07:05.710 --> 01:07:08.880
which over 7,000 people
have submitted comments
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:11.750
to the CPUC and the Governor to...
01:07:14.010 --> 01:07:17.040
The calculator updates will
have huge consequences
01:07:17.040 --> 01:07:19.827
that will impact the future of
solar adoption in California,
01:07:19.827 --> 01:07:21.050
and should not be approved
01:07:21.050 --> 01:07:24.450
without a robust public
stakeholder review process,
01:07:24.450 --> 01:07:26.900
which should take place in 2022.
01:07:26.900 --> 01:07:27.820
If you approve it now,
01:07:27.820 --> 01:07:29.710
it is a violation of due process
01:07:29.710 --> 01:07:32.170
and Commission of your own procedures.
01:07:32.170 --> 01:07:36.100
The Avoided Cost Calculator
update is major, not minor.
01:07:36.100 --> 01:07:37.910
And the calculator has many assumptions
01:07:37.910 --> 01:07:41.280
that are both unrealistic
and unvetted by stakeholders.
01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:42.650
In particular, the assumptions
01:07:42.650 --> 01:07:45.870
about utility scale
solar timelines and costs
01:07:45.870 --> 01:07:47.760
are not based on the realities
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:50.670
of developing those
large scale projects.
01:07:50.670 --> 01:07:53.400
The cost of transmission is not included
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:54.950
nor are the costs of wildfires
01:07:54.950 --> 01:07:58.720
and outages that happened
because of long distance wires.
01:07:58.720 --> 01:08:00.110
We joined the many, many groups
01:08:00.110 --> 01:08:02.410
and rate payers all over California
01:08:02.410 --> 01:08:05.440
asking you to pull resolution 5150.
01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:07.040
Thank you so much for your time.
01:08:08.770 --> 01:08:09.830
Thank you.
01:08:09.830 --> 01:08:11.580
Operator the
next caller, please.
01:08:12.450 --> 01:08:14.390
Our next
caller is Melissa.
01:08:14.390 --> 01:08:16.313
Your line is please, go ahead.
01:08:20.250 --> 01:08:21.837
Hi, good morning,
my name is Melissa
01:08:21.837 --> 01:08:24.600
and I'm speaking on the IRP proceeding.
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:26.423
I'm calling because on our board,
01:08:28.610 --> 01:08:31.530
California is the leader on
following climate change,
01:08:31.530 --> 01:08:34.250
with the description to move
us away from fossil fuels.
01:08:34.250 --> 01:08:37.736
We cannot afford the unhealthy
pollution from gas plants.
01:08:37.736 --> 01:08:39.450
I urge the Commissioners to stay strong
01:08:39.450 --> 01:08:43.090
on accepting anymore
wasted money on fossil fuels
01:08:43.090 --> 01:08:45.763
because in this decision
and in future decisions.
01:08:46.986 --> 01:08:48.870
I would like to thank the CPUC
01:08:49.730 --> 01:08:51.848
for rejecting gas
plans in this decisions,
01:08:51.848 --> 01:08:54.078
and keep you out of future decisions
01:08:54.078 --> 01:08:57.000
and ask that we don't waste
any more money on gas plants.
01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:57.833
Thank you.
01:09:06.260 --> 01:09:07.690
Okay, thank you.
01:09:07.690 --> 01:09:09.393
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:09:11.901 --> 01:09:13.840
The next caller
comes from Jane Cleveland.
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:15.803
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:26.100
Please check your mute
button, your line is open.
01:09:26.100 --> 01:09:29.010
Hi, my name
is Jane Cleveland.
01:09:29.010 --> 01:09:30.940
I'm calling from Oakland, California.
01:09:30.940 --> 01:09:32.350
Hello to everybody.
01:09:32.350 --> 01:09:35.660
I agree with everything that
the commenters have said.
01:09:35.660 --> 01:09:37.310
And I would just like to add that
01:09:38.228 --> 01:09:42.090
in 2013, I installed a
solar collector on my roof
01:09:42.090 --> 01:09:45.430
and I bought an electric
car, a Nissan LEAF,
01:09:45.430 --> 01:09:50.430
and I'm very proud to be
reducing my carbon footprint
01:09:50.810 --> 01:09:52.223
and helping the grid.
01:09:53.790 --> 01:09:56.040
And every day I look
at my solar collectors
01:09:56.040 --> 01:09:56.873
and I feel happy,
01:09:56.873 --> 01:09:59.693
and everyday I think about
PG&E and I feel frumpy,
01:10:00.570 --> 01:10:01.730
to say the least.
01:10:01.730 --> 01:10:05.120
They have increased my fees
01:10:05.120 --> 01:10:08.320
and the rate at which my contribution
01:10:08.320 --> 01:10:10.210
to the grid is assessed
from the beginning.
01:10:10.210 --> 01:10:12.780
And the first year I had this collector
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.050
at the true-up time
at the end of the year,
01:10:16.050 --> 01:10:18.500
I got a check for $25
01:10:18.500 --> 01:10:22.857
because I scrupulously
observed the rate periods.
01:10:26.910 --> 01:10:30.410
Only use my appliances
at night and stuff like that.
01:10:30.410 --> 01:10:34.470
And now I owe quite a
bit at the end of the year,
01:10:34.470 --> 01:10:37.134
even though I'm producing
the same amount of electricity.
01:10:37.134 --> 01:10:39.551
(bell rings)
01:10:42.360 --> 01:10:43.193
Thank you.
01:10:44.670 --> 01:10:46.200
Thank you.
01:10:46.200 --> 01:10:48.003
Operator the next caller, please.
01:10:49.210 --> 01:10:51.010
Our next
caller is Renee Wine.
01:10:51.010 --> 01:10:52.773
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:57.170
Yes, hi, my
name is Renee Wine.
01:10:57.170 --> 01:11:00.163
I live in Fremont and I have
solar panels on my house.
01:11:01.400 --> 01:11:03.670
I'm personally asking the CPUC
01:11:03.670 --> 01:11:06.423
to reject resolution E5150.
01:11:07.650 --> 01:11:09.090
Climate change is real.
01:11:09.090 --> 01:11:12.060
California forest fires are
getting worse every year.
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:14.640
We need to do all we can as a state
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:16.750
to stop burning fossil fuels,
01:11:16.750 --> 01:11:18.360
and reach California climate goals
01:11:18.360 --> 01:11:21.320
to reduce carbon emissions.
01:11:21.320 --> 01:11:24.440
Distributed solar powered
generators like myself,
01:11:24.440 --> 01:11:26.370
allows me to stand up to climate change
01:11:26.370 --> 01:11:28.300
and make a difference.
01:11:28.300 --> 01:11:29.980
Please don't gut
01:11:29.980 --> 01:11:32.770
rooftop solar power
generation conversation,
01:11:32.770 --> 01:11:34.577
and allow the big utilities
to change the rules
01:11:34.577 --> 01:11:37.073
of how we individual
homeowners are compensating.
01:11:37.990 --> 01:11:41.780
The County Assembly just
voted down to 70 bill 1130,
01:11:41.780 --> 01:11:43.990
which was a well-funded
and Powerpack effort
01:11:43.990 --> 01:11:45.570
by the big investor owned utilities
01:11:45.570 --> 01:11:48.030
to change the rules in their favor.
01:11:48.030 --> 01:11:49.700
That defeat should make it clear
01:11:49.700 --> 01:11:52.540
that people like me wanting
to see the continued growth
01:11:52.540 --> 01:11:55.530
of individually owned rooftop solar
01:11:55.530 --> 01:11:57.390
and expects an open and fair process
01:11:57.390 --> 01:11:59.890
at the CPUC on this matter.
01:11:59.890 --> 01:12:02.260
Again, I'm personally asking you CPUC
01:12:02.260 --> 01:12:04.643
to reject resolution E5150,
01:12:07.004 --> 01:12:09.347
(bell rings)
01:12:09.347 --> 01:12:10.700
and remove the bias that undercounts
01:12:10.700 --> 01:12:12.660
the value of distributed solar.
01:12:12.660 --> 01:12:15.440
Thank you for listening, take care, bye.
01:12:15.440 --> 01:12:16.690
Thank you.
01:12:16.690 --> 01:12:18.733
Operator, next caller, please.
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:21.620
The next
caller is Chris Thomas.
01:12:21.620 --> 01:12:23.370
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:12:24.700 --> 01:12:26.680
Good morning, my
name is Chris Thomas.
01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.400
I'm a retired member, a solar roof owner
01:12:30.400 --> 01:12:32.540
in Fairfield, California.
01:12:32.540 --> 01:12:34.030
The elephant in the room here
01:12:34.030 --> 01:12:36.600
is the profit for the power companies.
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:39.470
I urge the CPUC to move towards the idea
01:12:39.470 --> 01:12:41.500
that energy is a necessity
01:12:41.500 --> 01:12:43.650
and therefore should
provide provided at a cost
01:12:43.650 --> 01:12:45.180
and not a profit.
01:12:45.180 --> 01:12:48.840
PG&E and other fuel
business models cost us lives,
01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:52.160
fires, gas, explosions, and our money.
01:12:52.160 --> 01:12:54.580
Again, I am retired on a fixed income.
01:12:54.580 --> 01:12:56.700
I don't wish to provide for their return
01:12:56.700 --> 01:12:58.143
on investment programs.
01:12:59.570 --> 01:13:04.260
The failure Bay Bill 1139
should tell the CPU a lot.
01:13:04.260 --> 01:13:08.110
I'm not sure if the P in CPUC
stands for power company
01:13:08.110 --> 01:13:09.760
or for the public.
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:11.800
If water were a source of energy,
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:14.360
I'm sure that power companies
would create legislation
01:13:14.360 --> 01:13:15.750
to own all of it.
01:13:15.750 --> 01:13:18.200
Please act on our behalf and not theirs.
01:13:18.200 --> 01:13:20.150
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
01:13:22.170 --> 01:13:23.670
Thank you for your call.
01:13:23.670 --> 01:13:25.633
Operator the next caller, please.
01:13:27.396 --> 01:13:30.050
The next caller
is Nancy Titus Espinosa.
01:13:30.050 --> 01:13:31.800
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:13:33.610 --> 01:13:36.480
Good morning, madam
chair and Commissioners.
01:13:36.480 --> 01:13:37.850
Nancy Titus Espinosa
01:13:37.850 --> 01:13:40.680
on behalf of the
School Energy Coalition.
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:42.850
We also ask that you remove item three
01:13:42.850 --> 01:13:46.500
from the consent calendar
and table resolution E 5150,
01:13:46.500 --> 01:13:49.290
the updates on the
Avoided Cost Calculator.
01:13:49.290 --> 01:13:50.940
It appears to have significant impact
01:13:50.940 --> 01:13:52.940
on the viability of solar energy project
01:13:52.940 --> 01:13:54.310
in California schools,
01:13:54.310 --> 01:13:56.320
and we need more time
for those participating
01:13:56.320 --> 01:13:58.610
as members of the public
to review the proposal.
01:13:58.610 --> 01:14:01.670
We also need access to the
data that serve as the basis
01:14:01.670 --> 01:14:04.520
for the assumptions that the
proposal changes, thank you.
01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:08.040
Thank you.
01:14:08.040 --> 01:14:09.723
Operator the next caller, please.
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:13.060
Our next
caller is Stacy Colstrom.
01:14:13.060 --> 01:14:14.860
Your line is open, please, go ahead.
01:14:15.950 --> 01:14:17.010
Good morning and thank you
01:14:17.010 --> 01:14:19.240
for allowing me this chance to ask you
01:14:19.240 --> 01:14:22.830
to please table resolution E5150.
01:14:22.830 --> 01:14:24.240
My name is Stacy Colstrom,
01:14:24.240 --> 01:14:26.330
my husband and I reside in Sacramento.
01:14:26.330 --> 01:14:29.310
And in 1999, with the
assistance of SMAD,
01:14:29.310 --> 01:14:31.690
we added rooftop solar to our home.
01:14:31.690 --> 01:14:34.450
We've since updated our
system and always thought
01:14:34.450 --> 01:14:37.090
and been proud of the fact
that we were part of the solution
01:14:37.090 --> 01:14:38.260
to energy needs.
01:14:38.260 --> 01:14:40.030
Now it seems that utility companies
01:14:40.030 --> 01:14:41.730
think we're part of the energy problem,
01:14:41.730 --> 01:14:44.430
and they want to charge us or fine us
01:14:44.430 --> 01:14:48.190
for the privilege of sending
electricity to the grid.
01:14:48.190 --> 01:14:50.240
We want the Commission
to keep rooftop solar
01:14:50.240 --> 01:14:52.560
and battery storage
growing in California,
01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:54.430
and also make it financially possible
01:14:54.430 --> 01:14:56.290
for more people, working class people
01:14:56.290 --> 01:14:58.170
to add solar to their homes.
01:14:58.170 --> 01:15:01.990
Rooftop solar does not create
a cost to utility companies,
01:15:01.990 --> 01:15:04.400
reduces costs across the board.
01:15:04.400 --> 01:15:05.540
There are many arguments
01:15:05.540 --> 01:15:07.640
for encouraging rooftop solar systems
01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:10.280
to allow utilities to charge
consumers for rooftop.
01:15:10.280 --> 01:15:13.073
Solar has the effect of
disincentivizing consumers
01:15:13.073 --> 01:15:15.850
from making the significant investment
01:15:15.850 --> 01:15:18.110
of adding solar to their home.
01:15:18.110 --> 01:15:21.880
This is about climate
change at this point,
01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.470
our state is having
unprecedented fire seasons.
01:15:24.470 --> 01:15:25.770
We're on fire(bell rings).
01:15:28.820 --> 01:15:32.033
I thank you for your time
and for this opportunity.
01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:35.240
Thank you for your call.
01:15:35.240 --> 01:15:37.003
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:15:38.684 --> 01:15:41.170
The next caller
comes from Baraz Brisby.
01:15:41.170 --> 01:15:42.970
Your line is open, please, go ahead.
01:15:44.910 --> 01:15:46.213
Hello, can you hear me?
01:15:47.780 --> 01:15:50.040
Yes, we can
hear you, please go ahead.
01:15:50.040 --> 01:15:51.560
Hi, my name is Baraz Brisby
01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:53.857
and I'm here located
in Riverside County.
01:15:53.857 --> 01:15:58.857
And I'm calling because I
wanted to congratulate the board
01:16:00.550 --> 01:16:03.290
or the Commission
for the revised changes
01:16:03.290 --> 01:16:05.433
during the midterm procurement,
01:16:05.433 --> 01:16:10.403
the 11,500 megawatts of
clean zero emission energy
01:16:11.240 --> 01:16:12.660
is a big step forward.
01:16:12.660 --> 01:16:17.340
And it's one of the
major decisive changes
01:16:17.340 --> 01:16:20.470
that we really need to
tackle the climate crisis.
01:16:20.470 --> 01:16:23.080
And I hope we can continue to make bold
01:16:23.080 --> 01:16:25.030
and decisive changes together.
01:16:25.030 --> 01:16:27.080
So thank you for listening
to our communities
01:16:27.080 --> 01:16:28.970
and uplifting our voices.
01:16:28.970 --> 01:16:32.260
And of course there's still
a lot more work to be done.
01:16:32.260 --> 01:16:34.730
This is just a step
in the right direction,
01:16:34.730 --> 01:16:36.850
and we wanna make sure that over time
01:16:36.850 --> 01:16:39.340
we still adopt a 30 MMT
01:16:40.420 --> 01:16:43.100
on the greenhouse gas target
01:16:43.100 --> 01:16:45.160
and that we're making sure
01:16:45.160 --> 01:16:49.970
that we're building renewable
energy infrastructure
01:16:51.636 --> 01:16:53.690
in environmental justice communities
01:16:53.690 --> 01:16:57.210
and not just in the nicer richer areas
01:16:57.210 --> 01:16:59.070
that extreme heat that we're facing,
01:16:59.070 --> 01:17:00.053
especially here in Southern California
01:17:00.053 --> 01:17:04.113
and really all over is a
big change, thank you.
01:17:06.940 --> 01:17:07.773
Thank you.
01:17:07.773 --> 01:17:09.603
Operator the next caller, please.
01:17:10.942 --> 01:17:12.630
Our next
caller is Kim McKeever.
01:17:12.630 --> 01:17:14.493
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:17:16.970 --> 01:17:19.270
Yes, my name is Kim
McKeever. I live in Rocklin.
01:17:19.270 --> 01:17:20.860
Please do not make any policy changes
01:17:20.860 --> 01:17:23.030
that would prevent or
even slow the adoption
01:17:23.030 --> 01:17:26.140
of rooftop solar power and
distributed energy storage.
01:17:26.140 --> 01:17:27.140
The case in front of you today,
01:17:27.140 --> 01:17:29.800
the change in the calculation
that values rooftop solar
01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:31.740
is deeply flawed and comes from a source
01:17:31.740 --> 01:17:33.670
that runs the same
playbook over and over.
01:17:33.670 --> 01:17:35.060
They're a highly paid consulting firm
01:17:35.060 --> 01:17:36.020
that takes utility money
01:17:36.020 --> 01:17:37.930
to give them the answer
they're looking for.
01:17:37.930 --> 01:17:39.200
They ignore all of the benefits
01:17:39.200 --> 01:17:40.630
that distributed generation provides
01:17:40.630 --> 01:17:42.780
and make wild assumptions
about the utilities adoption
01:17:42.780 --> 01:17:45.810
of renewables that have
just not born out by history.
01:17:45.810 --> 01:17:46.990
We need all possible sources
01:17:46.990 --> 01:17:48.750
of renewable power and
energy storage brought online
01:17:48.750 --> 01:17:50.000
as fast as possible.
01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:52.540
It is clear this distributed
solar saves us all money
01:17:52.540 --> 01:17:54.137
by minimizing new
spending on transmission,
01:17:54.137 --> 01:17:56.240
and new fossil infrastructure.
01:17:56.240 --> 01:17:57.850
If you accept the
utilities argument today,
01:17:57.850 --> 01:18:00.540
you are directly crippling
the solar industry in the state.
01:18:00.540 --> 01:18:02.510
There are tens of thousands
of jobs that will be eliminated
01:18:02.510 --> 01:18:04.890
mostly from small
businesses in every district.
01:18:04.890 --> 01:18:05.820
It would also disrupt new
01:18:05.820 --> 01:18:07.760
and successful solar equity programs
01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:09.840
like the Mandate of
Solar on New Construction
01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:12.540
and the Solar on Multi-family
Affordable Housing Programs.
01:18:12.540 --> 01:18:15.010
Utilities have had years to
embrace zero carbon generation
01:18:15.010 --> 01:18:16.200
and has failed.
01:18:16.200 --> 01:18:18.160
Instead, they have
chosen profits and dividends
01:18:18.160 --> 01:18:20.230
over maintenance to safety and life.
01:18:20.230 --> 01:18:22.620
Do not reward them for
those disastrous decisions.
01:18:22.620 --> 01:18:24.480
Also notice that 6,000
comments have been sent
01:18:24.480 --> 01:18:27.303
to the Commission supporting
rooftop solar, just this week.
01:18:30.980 --> 01:18:32.780
Operator, the
next caller, please.
01:18:33.670 --> 01:18:35.960
Next caller comes
from Jennifer Cardenas.
01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:37.710
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:18:40.870 --> 01:18:41.710
Thank you.
01:18:41.710 --> 01:18:43.300
Good morning Public
Utilities Commission.
01:18:43.300 --> 01:18:44.800
My name is Jennifer Cardenas.
01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:46.165
I'm a recent graduate
of Columbia University
01:18:46.165 --> 01:18:48.220
from Fontana, California.
01:18:48.220 --> 01:18:50.800
Thank you for your newly
revised proposal decision
01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:52.453
that includes no new fuel,
01:18:53.750 --> 01:18:57.080
no new fossil fuel procurement.
01:18:57.080 --> 01:18:59.590
Please continue to
prioritize clean energy
01:18:59.590 --> 01:19:00.670
and frontline communities
01:19:00.670 --> 01:19:03.040
when it comes to clean
energy transformation.
01:19:03.040 --> 01:19:05.640
Clean air should not be
just for those who can afford
01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:07.340
to live away from gas lines
01:19:07.340 --> 01:19:10.640
or cities where their
city council like Fontana
01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:12.350
are starting to talk to warehouses.
01:19:12.350 --> 01:19:13.550
Thank you for your time.
01:19:16.100 --> 01:19:17.170
Thank you.
01:19:17.170 --> 01:19:18.920
Operator to the next color, please.
01:19:20.046 --> 01:19:21.530
The next
caller is Sheila Auer.
01:19:21.530 --> 01:19:23.333
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:19:25.707 --> 01:19:27.230
Good morning,
President Batjer
01:19:27.230 --> 01:19:28.150
and Commissioners.
01:19:28.150 --> 01:19:29.420
My name is Sheila Auer
01:19:29.420 --> 01:19:31.670
and I'm with the San Diego
Green New Deal Alliance
01:19:31.670 --> 01:19:35.260
and a rate payer in the
same SDG&E territory.
01:19:35.260 --> 01:19:37.800
I'm calling in today to urge
you to reject the updates
01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:39.750
to the Avoided Cost Calculator.
01:19:39.750 --> 01:19:41.850
The proposed changes in the calculator
01:19:41.850 --> 01:19:44.157
use an entirely new and untested model,
01:19:44.157 --> 01:19:47.170
and we cannot start using it
without thoroughly vetting it
01:19:47.170 --> 01:19:49.560
with a wide range of stakeholders.
01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:52.600
The proposed changes also
devalue solar by two thirds
01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:55.650
compared to the 2020
version of the calculator.
01:19:55.650 --> 01:19:57.640
So if approved, it
would make it impossible
01:19:57.640 --> 01:20:00.670
for a strong NEM 3.0 to be implemented.
01:20:00.670 --> 01:20:03.450
The future of rooftop solar
is at stake in California,
01:20:03.450 --> 01:20:05.830
which has been the
country's leader in solar
01:20:05.830 --> 01:20:08.840
and I respectfully urge you
to not approve the updates
01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:10.600
to the Avoided Cost Calculator,
01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:14.373
so solar can continue to grow
as directed by law, thank you.
01:20:16.930 --> 01:20:17.763
Thank you.
01:20:17.763 --> 01:20:19.300
Operator the next caller, please.
01:20:20.384 --> 01:20:22.210
The next
caller is Allen Marlene.
01:20:22.210 --> 01:20:23.713
Your line is open, go ahead.
01:20:24.780 --> 01:20:26.640
Hello, I'm a
California resident
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:31.143
and I call on the Commission
to reject resolution 5150.
01:20:31.143 --> 01:20:34.410
It will kill rooftop solar,
and as we enter the...
01:20:34.410 --> 01:20:35.440
That's the last thing we need
01:20:35.440 --> 01:20:39.180
as we enter the dangers of
another fire season made worse
01:20:39.180 --> 01:20:42.700
by the ever rising temperatures
of the climate crisis.
01:20:42.700 --> 01:20:45.580
We must not discourage
local solar energy,
01:20:45.580 --> 01:20:48.000
doing so would have no benefit
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:51.620
except to the bottom line of
corporate energy companies.
01:20:51.620 --> 01:20:54.960
Tabling resolution 5150 today
01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:57.410
will affirm the
Commissioners are not corrupt
01:20:57.410 --> 01:20:59.793
and in the pocket of
big energy, thank you.
01:21:02.160 --> 01:21:03.650
Thank you.
01:21:03.650 --> 01:21:05.393
Operator the next caller, please.
01:21:06.440 --> 01:21:08.300
Our next
caller is Tara Hammonds.
01:21:08.300 --> 01:21:09.700
Your line is open, go ahead.
01:21:11.830 --> 01:21:13.750
Good morning, President
Batjer and Commissioners.
01:21:13.750 --> 01:21:15.320
My name is Tara Hammond,
01:21:15.320 --> 01:21:17.160
I'm the founder of
Hammond Climate Solutions
01:21:17.160 --> 01:21:19.740
and we're actively working
to end climate injustices
01:21:19.740 --> 01:21:21.730
and stop the climate crisis.
01:21:21.730 --> 01:21:23.680
Please reject this void calculator
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:25.660
that would devalue rooftop solar,
01:21:25.660 --> 01:21:28.490
and give the investor
and utilities another win
01:21:28.490 --> 01:21:30.960
during a time when we
should be stopping fracking
01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:33.380
and oil refineries in California
01:21:33.380 --> 01:21:36.690
and creating a fossil
fuel free resilient grid
01:21:36.690 --> 01:21:38.530
with local clean energy
01:21:38.530 --> 01:21:40.600
that isn't going to burn down our state,
01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:42.760
which rate payers have to pay for.
01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:44.330
We are in a climate emergency
01:21:44.330 --> 01:21:46.470
and should be protecting rooftop solar
01:21:46.470 --> 01:21:49.180
and making solar and
storage more assessable,
01:21:49.180 --> 01:21:51.340
especially in communities of concern,
01:21:51.340 --> 01:21:52.690
not making it less attractive
01:21:52.690 --> 01:21:55.540
for the sake of utility
shareholder profits.
01:21:55.540 --> 01:21:58.260
Please do not jeopardize
a just livable future
01:21:58.260 --> 01:22:01.070
by making them
pre-attractive financially.
01:22:01.070 --> 01:22:02.980
Please reject this flawed ACC.
01:22:02.980 --> 01:22:03.813
Thank you.
01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:08.490
Thank you.
01:22:08.490 --> 01:22:10.463
Next caller, please operator.
01:22:12.300 --> 01:22:13.560
Yes, if
you wish to speak
01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:15.560
during the public
comment period, press *1,
01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:17.330
unmute your phone
01:22:17.330 --> 01:22:19.890
and clearly record your
name when prompted.
01:22:19.890 --> 01:22:22.400
Our next caller is Barbara Stevan.
01:22:22.400 --> 01:22:24.150
Your line is open, go ahead please.
01:22:25.650 --> 01:22:27.380
My name is Barbara Stevan.
01:22:27.380 --> 01:22:29.797
I'm with Local Clean Energy Alliance
01:22:29.797 --> 01:22:32.250
and I am commenting on two items
01:22:32.250 --> 01:22:36.190
that are critical to
equitable energy access.
01:22:36.190 --> 01:22:38.510
The first is to urge the Commission
01:22:38.510 --> 01:22:43.090
to approve the extension
of the utility debt moratorium.
01:22:43.090 --> 01:22:45.120
It is essential that
we keep the lights on
01:22:45.120 --> 01:22:48.650
until the Governor's promise
of paying off utility debt
01:22:48.650 --> 01:22:50.880
can actually be accomplished.
01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.760
The second is to be
reject resolution 5150
01:22:54.900 --> 01:22:59.350
decreasing the Avoided Cost Calculator.
01:22:59.350 --> 01:23:02.580
Is clearly an IOU profit grab
01:23:02.580 --> 01:23:05.230
designed to wipe out rooftop solar.
01:23:05.230 --> 01:23:08.510
The equity issue is that all programs
01:23:08.510 --> 01:23:11.340
that could increase
frontline community control
01:23:11.340 --> 01:23:14.780
of the energy resources
and energy resilience
01:23:14.780 --> 01:23:19.250
are based on generation
by local rooftop solar,
01:23:19.250 --> 01:23:23.300
which would no longer
be available or accessible.
01:23:23.300 --> 01:23:25.320
Thank you.
01:23:25.320 --> 01:23:26.660
Thank you.
01:23:26.660 --> 01:23:28.173
Operator next caller, please.
01:23:29.641 --> 01:23:31.410
The next
caller is William Vasquez.
01:23:31.410 --> 01:23:33.407
Your line is open, go ahead please.
01:23:34.550 --> 01:23:36.800
Hello, my
name is William Vasquez
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:40.140
and I am speaking on the IRP proceeding.
01:23:40.140 --> 01:23:44.060
So I'm here today because
our state and cities need to move
01:23:44.060 --> 01:23:47.280
from unhealthy
pollution from fossil fuels
01:23:47.280 --> 01:23:49.470
that significantly
affect our communities
01:23:49.470 --> 01:23:50.920
and our air quality.
01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:53.500
So with this next IRP decision
01:23:53.500 --> 01:23:54.630
we need to make it right
01:23:54.630 --> 01:23:58.220
by advancing renewable
energy to help our communities
01:23:58.220 --> 01:24:00.400
and public health.
01:24:00.400 --> 01:24:02.300
Oh, sorry, excuse me, public health.
01:24:02.300 --> 01:24:04.920
So by choosing the next
step that we need to do
01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:09.920
is to choose a lower 30 MMT
target in the next IRP cycle.
01:24:10.200 --> 01:24:11.730
Thank you for your time and efforts.
01:24:11.730 --> 01:24:12.843
Have a nice day.
01:24:13.980 --> 01:24:15.410
Thank you for your call.
01:24:15.410 --> 01:24:17.110
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:24:18.264 --> 01:24:20.050
The next
caller, Arlene Glendale.
01:24:20.050 --> 01:24:21.863
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:24:27.610 --> 01:24:30.310
Arlene Glendale, you may
wanna check your mute button.
01:24:32.530 --> 01:24:34.370
Hi, my name
is Arlene Glendale.
01:24:34.370 --> 01:24:35.760
I am part of the leadership team
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:38.460
at the Environmental
Justice Coalition for Water.
01:24:38.460 --> 01:24:40.070
We are a nonprofit organization
01:24:40.070 --> 01:24:42.220
that advocates for
environmental justice.
01:24:42.220 --> 01:24:45.260
We serve low income
immigrant or communities of color.
01:24:45.260 --> 01:24:46.620
Every community we work with
01:24:46.620 --> 01:24:48.810
has similar environmental challenges,
01:24:48.810 --> 01:24:50.530
that is that those
communities have been treated
01:24:50.530 --> 01:24:53.350
like dumping grounds for
industrial emissions and waste.
01:24:53.350 --> 01:24:54.183
Fortunately,
01:24:54.183 --> 01:24:56.400
with the affordable
green energy technologies
01:24:56.400 --> 01:24:58.100
such as rooftop solar energy,
01:24:58.100 --> 01:24:59.500
we're beginning to break the cycle
01:24:59.500 --> 01:25:01.800
of environmental injustice
on our communities.
01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:04.070
We strongly believe that
clean energy technologies
01:25:04.070 --> 01:25:06.820
such as rooftop solar
serve as a safety net
01:25:06.820 --> 01:25:09.240
to mitigate the stress
that occurs on the grid
01:25:09.240 --> 01:25:11.120
during hot summer months.
01:25:11.120 --> 01:25:13.240
That stress forces the California ISO
01:25:13.240 --> 01:25:15.330
to employ poorly regulated peaker plants
01:25:15.330 --> 01:25:17.490
to avoid blackouts on the grid.
01:25:17.490 --> 01:25:21.140
These plants emit unacceptable
amounts of NOx SOx
01:25:21.140 --> 01:25:22.230
in particular.
01:25:22.230 --> 01:25:24.510
This is a threat to
their respiratory health
01:25:24.510 --> 01:25:26.470
of the people in the
communities we serve.
01:25:26.470 --> 01:25:28.900
A grid with substantial
rooftop solar generation
01:25:28.900 --> 01:25:31.570
will serve to lessen the
public health consequences
01:25:31.570 --> 01:25:33.560
of running these dirty peaker plants.
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:35.820
We strongly urge all PUC Commissioners
01:25:35.820 --> 01:25:38.200
to vote against resolution 5150.
01:25:38.200 --> 01:25:40.020
The resolution is a deceptive means
01:25:40.020 --> 01:25:42.210
of undervaluing the
tremendous public health benefits
01:25:42.210 --> 01:25:43.920
of rooftop solar.
01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:45.820
We are also concerned
that the report being used
01:25:45.820 --> 01:25:47.530
to justify resolution 5150
01:25:47.530 --> 01:25:49.120
was generated by a consulting firm
01:25:49.120 --> 01:25:52.410
that lists the 32 investor
owned utilities as their clients.
01:25:52.410 --> 01:25:54.950
Since that list includes PG&E,
San Diego Gas and Electric
01:25:54.950 --> 01:25:56.500
and Southern California Edison.
01:25:56.500 --> 01:25:59.070
We find the underlying
creation of resolution 5150
01:25:59.070 --> 01:26:01.300
to be significant conflict of interest.
01:26:01.300 --> 01:26:03.520
These IOUs have been openly antagonistic
01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:07.030
with the market based
growth rooftop solar energy.
01:26:07.030 --> 01:26:09.230
To give all people the
hope of clean air future
01:26:09.230 --> 01:26:10.573
please vote no on resolution 5150.
01:26:10.573 --> 01:26:13.520
Can you please bring
your comments to a closure
01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:15.580
you're over the limited time.
01:26:15.580 --> 01:26:17.300
I'm very sorry.
01:26:17.300 --> 01:26:19.030
Thank you.
01:26:19.030 --> 01:26:20.210
Thank you.
01:26:20.210 --> 01:26:23.807
Operator could you please
bring on the next caller.
01:26:29.879 --> 01:26:31.450
The next
caller is Sabiha Hannan.
01:26:31.450 --> 01:26:33.200
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:36.953
Hi, yes, my
name is Sabiha Hannan.
01:26:36.953 --> 01:26:39.520
I've lived in California all my life.
01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:42.397
I grew up in Los Angeles
in the San Fernando Valley,
01:26:42.397 --> 01:26:44.263
and I now live in San
Francisco on Ohlone Land.
01:26:45.130 --> 01:26:46.360
And I opposed the resolution
01:26:46.360 --> 01:26:49.640
because it nearly serves
as a deterrent in our efforts
01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:52.190
to bring clean energy to California.
01:26:52.190 --> 01:26:55.270
I believe that as California
residents we're unique
01:26:55.270 --> 01:26:57.580
in having such community
and individual support
01:26:57.580 --> 01:26:59.027
for solar and clean energy,
01:26:59.027 --> 01:27:01.310
and we're well positioned
to lead other states
01:27:01.310 --> 01:27:02.450
in our initiatives.
01:27:02.450 --> 01:27:03.990
It's far more efficient, accessible,
01:27:03.990 --> 01:27:06.700
and effective to allow
small and home grid,
01:27:06.700 --> 01:27:09.493
instead of having a large
scale company owned grid.
01:27:10.930 --> 01:27:14.460
I worked on solar
engineering in other countries,
01:27:14.460 --> 01:27:17.270
including Costa Rica
and in very remote areas
01:27:17.270 --> 01:27:18.110
that aren't even on the map.
01:27:18.110 --> 01:27:22.040
I've seen communities
who own their solar grids,
01:27:22.040 --> 01:27:24.453
and I've seen homes where
every single home had a grid.
01:27:24.453 --> 01:27:27.490
They were able to power even
their cell phones completely
01:27:27.490 --> 01:27:28.660
off of solar.
01:27:28.660 --> 01:27:30.870
And I imagine that California residents
01:27:30.870 --> 01:27:32.560
would be able to do the same
01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:37.430
if only we put the power in
their hands, pun intended.
01:27:37.430 --> 01:27:39.770
I've also volunteered with
going some service workers
01:27:39.770 --> 01:27:43.530
in east Oakland and other
places in the Bay Area,
01:27:43.530 --> 01:27:47.400
and just seeing the conditions
in terms of utility ownership
01:27:47.400 --> 01:27:49.550
and access to electricity is far worse
01:27:49.550 --> 01:27:51.250
than what I saw in Costa Rica.
01:27:51.250 --> 01:27:53.829
So I urge you to oppose the resolution.
01:27:53.829 --> 01:27:56.483
Thank you.
01:27:56.483 --> 01:27:59.173
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:28:00.817 --> 01:28:02.880
The next
caller is Kathy Nicholson.
01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:04.673
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:28:06.350 --> 01:28:08.350
Yes, hello, my
name is Kathy Nicholson.
01:28:08.350 --> 01:28:11.240
I'm an independent energy
consultant in distributed solar
01:28:11.240 --> 01:28:14.040
and storage system
designer in San Diego.
01:28:14.040 --> 01:28:16.900
I have over 30 years of
experience as an energy engineer
01:28:16.900 --> 01:28:19.700
in clean energy and energy efficiency.
01:28:19.700 --> 01:28:23.010
Please table resolution E5150.
01:28:23.010 --> 01:28:26.550
The Avoided Cost Calculator
uses a new and untested model
01:28:26.550 --> 01:28:28.860
for predicting how
wholesale energy pricing
01:28:28.860 --> 01:28:30.480
will behave in the future.
01:28:30.480 --> 01:28:33.240
And we cannot start
using it to set rates,
01:28:33.240 --> 01:28:35.400
including net energy metering rates
01:28:35.400 --> 01:28:36.860
without thoroughly vetting it
01:28:36.860 --> 01:28:39.370
with a wide range of stakeholders.
01:28:39.370 --> 01:28:42.230
This calculator is the basis
for valuing solar energy
01:28:42.230 --> 01:28:45.290
in the state and should
go through a public process
01:28:45.290 --> 01:28:47.150
with plenty of stakeholder input
01:28:47.150 --> 01:28:48.663
before using them in practice.
01:28:49.634 --> 01:28:52.816
Thank you.
01:28:52.816 --> 01:28:53.900
Thank you.
01:28:53.900 --> 01:28:55.563
Operator the next caller, please.
01:28:57.190 --> 01:28:58.860
Our next
caller is Cheryl Auger.
01:28:58.860 --> 01:29:00.703
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:29:01.781 --> 01:29:02.750
Good morning
Commissioners.
01:29:02.750 --> 01:29:04.000
My name is Cheryl Auger
01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:08.690
and I'm a long-term resident
of Pasadena and a solar owner.
01:29:08.690 --> 01:29:13.140
I'm calling to ask you
to reject resolution 5150.
01:29:13.140 --> 01:29:15.440
We need green energy like solar.
01:29:15.440 --> 01:29:17.900
Solar's contribution is evident
01:29:17.900 --> 01:29:20.140
with each brownout and outage,
01:29:20.140 --> 01:29:24.720
plus fossil fuel energy
uses up to 85% more water.
01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:28.390
We need to mitigate the climate crisis
01:29:28.390 --> 01:29:29.903
and the looming drought.
01:29:30.780 --> 01:29:33.710
Large-scale projects are
more environmentally damaging
01:29:33.710 --> 01:29:36.910
than rooftop solar, we
need to support rooftop solar.
01:29:36.910 --> 01:29:39.550
Also as a former SEE employee,
01:29:39.550 --> 01:29:42.120
I remember when the rate model
01:29:42.120 --> 01:29:45.360
for deregulation was not checked
01:29:45.360 --> 01:29:48.240
and we were paying $1000 per megawatt
01:29:49.310 --> 01:29:51.160
because of false assumptions.
01:29:51.160 --> 01:29:55.410
So I urge you to reject resolution 5150.
01:29:55.410 --> 01:29:56.243
Thank you.
01:29:58.180 --> 01:29:59.780
Thank you.
01:29:59.780 --> 01:30:01.313
Operator, next caller, please.
01:30:02.850 --> 01:30:04.920
Okay and
if you wish to speak
01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:06.590
during the public comment period,
01:30:06.590 --> 01:30:09.650
please press *1, unmute your phone
01:30:09.650 --> 01:30:12.260
and clearly record your
name when prompted.
01:30:12.260 --> 01:30:14.400
Our next caller is Emanuel Martinez.
01:30:14.400 --> 01:30:16.173
Your line is open, please go ahead.
01:30:18.036 --> 01:30:19.960
Good
morning Commissioners.
01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:21.840
Emmanuel Martinez
Governor of first specialist
01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:23.500
with the Imperial Irrigation District.
01:30:23.500 --> 01:30:26.320
We're a public utility
in Southern California
01:30:26.320 --> 01:30:29.060
and Pearl Valley and
Eastern Riverside County,
01:30:29.060 --> 01:30:30.670
calling regarding item 26
01:30:30.670 --> 01:30:34.150
regarding the procurement
to address midterm reliability.
01:30:34.150 --> 01:30:36.970
The ID strongly supports
the midterm reliability goal
01:30:36.970 --> 01:30:40.230
to procure a thousand
megawatts of geothermal energy.
01:30:40.230 --> 01:30:41.930
In addition to providing clean power
01:30:41.930 --> 01:30:44.420
to increase grid reliability
01:30:44.420 --> 01:30:45.407
and helping them meet the RPS goals.
01:30:45.407 --> 01:30:48.530
This that target will
provide ancillary benefits
01:30:48.530 --> 01:30:51.190
to the Imperial Valley
and Riverside county,
01:30:51.190 --> 01:30:54.380
including geothermal and
lithium production, related jobs,
01:30:54.380 --> 01:30:56.520
as well as with the assisting
01:30:56.520 --> 01:31:00.040
with Salton Sea
Environmental mitigation efforts.
01:31:00.040 --> 01:31:02.010
Our service area is largely comprised
01:31:02.010 --> 01:31:03.150
of low-income communities
01:31:03.150 --> 01:31:05.410
facing significant environmental burdens
01:31:05.410 --> 01:31:08.433
as identified in the
CalEnviroScreen Raslouw,
01:31:09.610 --> 01:31:12.290
home to AB 617 communities.
01:31:12.290 --> 01:31:14.300
So we believe that procuring geothermal
01:31:14.300 --> 01:31:16.800
from the Salt and Sea geothermal area
01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:19.770
will provide economic positive benefits
01:31:19.770 --> 01:31:21.170
to the region and the state.
01:31:22.010 --> 01:31:24.600
This could also facilitate
01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:27.050
as mentioned co-production of lithium.
01:31:27.050 --> 01:31:29.420
The Lithium Valley Commission
is working on the report
01:31:29.420 --> 01:31:32.540
to the legislature on
challenges and opportunities
01:31:32.540 --> 01:31:35.720
and given all the multi benefits
01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:37.190
to clean air electric vehicles,
01:31:37.190 --> 01:31:39.110
renewable energy and
economic development,
01:31:39.110 --> 01:31:40.800
we strongly support this goal.
01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:43.323
Thank you very much for
the opportunity to speak.
01:31:46.950 --> 01:31:47.783
Thank you.
01:31:49.140 --> 01:31:50.790
Operator the next caller, please.
01:31:52.624 --> 01:31:54.290
Our
next caller is Janet.
01:31:54.290 --> 01:31:56.090
Your line is open, please, go ahead.
01:31:57.410 --> 01:31:59.490
Thank you,
hi, good morning.
01:31:59.490 --> 01:32:01.130
My name is Janet Bernabe,
01:32:01.130 --> 01:32:02.870
I am the Organizing Director
01:32:02.870 --> 01:32:04.440
for the Center for Community Action
01:32:04.440 --> 01:32:07.160
and Environmental Justice,
also known as CCAEJ,
01:32:07.160 --> 01:32:08.863
and I'm calling in to comment
on number R-20-05003.
01:32:14.332 --> 01:32:17.582
And I am calling to urge the Commission
01:32:20.070 --> 01:32:23.550
not to vote on spending any more money
01:32:23.550 --> 01:32:27.080
on fossil fuels as we can
meet a major investment
01:32:27.080 --> 01:32:30.280
in renewable clean
energy in our community.
01:32:30.280 --> 01:32:32.450
Specifically in our
communities of color,
01:32:32.450 --> 01:32:35.290
as we have seen in the
work that we do in the field
01:32:35.290 --> 01:32:37.940
in the Inland Empire which
oversees both counties,
01:32:37.940 --> 01:32:39.940
Riverside and San Bernardino.
01:32:39.940 --> 01:32:42.700
The burden of pollution
01:32:43.831 --> 01:32:45.560
and the cost always tends to come
01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:47.563
to the community of the color.
01:32:48.410 --> 01:32:53.220
Just to emphasize, the work that I do
01:32:53.220 --> 01:32:54.850
and also as part of the community,
01:32:54.850 --> 01:32:57.110
I live in the City of Paris
01:32:57.110 --> 01:33:01.540
and been resident for the
City of Paris for over 25 years
01:33:01.540 --> 01:33:03.367
and time and time again (bell rings).
01:33:04.730 --> 01:33:05.563
Thank you.
01:33:06.770 --> 01:33:07.603
Thank you.
01:33:08.490 --> 01:33:10.867
Operator the next caller, please
01:33:18.374 --> 01:33:22.070
Our next
caller is Jackie Barshaq.
01:33:22.070 --> 01:33:24.540
Your line is open, go ahead please.
01:33:26.167 --> 01:33:28.950
So, I'm calling
from Ohlone Land
01:33:28.950 --> 01:33:31.510
and I am a rate payer.
01:33:31.510 --> 01:33:36.070
And I want you to really urge
the rest of the Commissioners
01:33:36.070 --> 01:33:39.760
to vote in favor of a moratorium,
01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:42.103
extending the moratorium.
01:33:43.090 --> 01:33:46.550
And not only extending the moratorium,
01:33:46.550 --> 01:33:49.893
which is canceling the
utility bill completely.
01:33:50.990 --> 01:33:54.104
Also take control of PG&E
01:33:54.104 --> 01:33:56.740
'cause this is so irritating
01:33:56.740 --> 01:34:01.507
that you keep allowing
PG&E to be unaccountable
01:34:03.910 --> 01:34:11.610
for really creating a
genocide on Californians.
01:34:11.610 --> 01:34:12.443
I mean,
01:34:14.300 --> 01:34:17.117
I ask for accountability to rate payers
01:34:17.117 --> 01:34:18.620
and don't raise rates
01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:24.020
on rate payers
01:34:25.060 --> 01:34:27.360
just to cover our debts.
01:34:27.360 --> 01:34:32.360
And then finally, the
payments plans with interests,
01:34:34.050 --> 01:34:37.120
that is so counter.
01:34:37.120 --> 01:34:39.680
I can't wait until you are paid
01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:43.135
by the state and federal government,
01:34:43.135 --> 01:34:46.970
and meantime you're
threatening me with shut off
01:34:46.970 --> 01:34:49.760
and damaging my credit.
01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:52.800
So you need to shift the burden away
01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:55.093
from your Wall Street investors
01:34:57.050 --> 01:35:00.510
and shift your attention
on people like me.
01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:06.310
Just like you've done with
PG&E allowing them to raise rates
01:35:06.310 --> 01:35:09.730
to burning our homes down, unacceptable.
01:35:09.730 --> 01:35:14.920
I am tired of PG&E
using my money to double-
01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:18.220
Jackie, you're over your time.
01:35:18.220 --> 01:35:19.670
We appreciate very much your call
01:35:19.670 --> 01:35:21.573
but you're over your time, thank you.
01:35:25.547 --> 01:35:26.437
Operator.
President Batjer,
01:35:26.437 --> 01:35:28.450
there are no more participants
01:35:28.450 --> 01:35:30.950
on the public comment
telephone line at this time.
01:35:31.790 --> 01:35:32.723
Okay.
01:35:35.360 --> 01:35:37.430
Well with no more callers on the line,
01:35:37.430 --> 01:35:39.790
the public comment period
01:35:39.790 --> 01:35:43.650
of this agenda is now closed.
01:35:43.650 --> 01:35:45.330
Thank you all for calling in.
01:35:45.330 --> 01:35:46.620
And I appreciate very much
01:35:46.620 --> 01:35:49.840
as do my fellow Commissioners
your comments today.
01:35:49.840 --> 01:35:54.220
With that we are going
to take a 15 minute break,
01:35:54.220 --> 01:35:56.110
so we will be back
01:35:58.830 --> 01:35:59.933
at 10 of 12.
01:36:02.790 --> 01:36:04.133
Okay, thank you all.
01:36:08.280 --> 01:36:09.850
The feed
for this streaming event.
01:36:09.850 --> 01:36:11.520
And thank
you all for standing by.
01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:13.490
Today's conference has resumed.
01:36:13.490 --> 01:36:15.190
President Batjer, you may proceed.
01:36:16.030 --> 01:36:18.170
Thank you very much Operator.
01:36:18.170 --> 01:36:20.160
I would like to establish the quorum.
01:36:20.160 --> 01:36:23.913
So could you the agenda
clerk, please call the roll.
01:36:25.240 --> 01:36:27.220
Commissioner Houck?
01:36:27.220 --> 01:36:28.053
Here
01:36:28.937 --> 01:36:31.000
Commissioner Shiroma?
01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:31.833
Present.
01:36:32.915 --> 01:36:35.070
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
01:36:35.070 --> 01:36:35.903
Here.
01:36:36.980 --> 01:36:39.140
Commissioner Guzman Acevez?
01:36:39.140 --> 01:36:40.630
Here.
01:36:40.630 --> 01:36:41.980
President Batjer?
01:36:42.830 --> 01:36:43.663
Here.
01:36:43.663 --> 01:36:46.960
We have now established
a forum, thank you.
01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:50.820
I want to remind
everybody before we begin
01:36:50.820 --> 01:36:53.020
along the other items on our agenda,
01:36:53.020 --> 01:36:56.560
that we will have Spanish translators
01:36:56.560 --> 01:37:00.770
and we need to speak
slowly and occasionally pause.
01:37:00.770 --> 01:37:04.840
I will remind you along the way as well.
01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:07.530
Okay, we have some
changes to the agenda.
01:37:07.530 --> 01:37:09.520
These are the following changes.
01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:13.253
Items three will be taken
up with the regular agenda.
01:37:14.340 --> 01:37:17.147
Item 14 will be held to
01:37:17.147 --> 01:37:22.147
the 7, 15, 2021 Commission meeting.
01:37:22.640 --> 01:37:24.800
Item 24 will also be held
01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:29.180
until the 7, 15, 2021 hearing.
01:37:29.180 --> 01:37:31.070
Commission meeting, excuse me.
01:37:31.070 --> 01:37:34.520
Item 26A has been withdrawn.
01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:39.440
Item 29 will be taken up
with a Consent Agenda.
01:37:39.440 --> 01:37:44.440
Item 35 will be taken up with
the Consent Agenda today.
01:37:44.690 --> 01:37:47.220
And item 36 will also be taken up
01:37:47.220 --> 01:37:49.950
with the Consent Agenda today.
01:37:49.950 --> 01:37:53.110
Okay, we will now take
up the consent items.
01:37:53.110 --> 01:37:54.253
Do I have a motion?
01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:56.473
So moved.
01:37:58.570 --> 01:37:59.870
Second.
Second.
01:37:59.870 --> 01:38:01.500
It's been moved and seconded.
01:38:01.500 --> 01:38:04.603
Will the agenda clerk please
call the roll on consent items.
01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:07.233
Commissioner Houck?
01:38:08.270 --> 01:38:09.780
Yes.
01:38:09.780 --> 01:38:11.770
Commissioner Shiroma?
01:38:11.770 --> 01:38:12.603
Aye.
01:38:13.550 --> 01:38:15.570
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
01:38:15.570 --> 01:38:16.403
Yes.
01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:19.751
Commissioner Guzman Acevez?
01:38:19.751 --> 01:38:21.011
Aye.
01:38:21.011 --> 01:38:22.660
President Batjer?
01:38:22.660 --> 01:38:23.670
Yes.
01:38:23.670 --> 01:38:27.570
The consent items have
been passed unanimously.
01:38:27.570 --> 01:38:29.140
Thank you all.
01:38:29.140 --> 01:38:33.533
Okay, we will now turn to
the regular agenda items.
01:38:36.010 --> 01:38:39.460
Item number three will be presented
01:38:39.460 --> 01:38:43.950
by Director Simon Baker,
01:38:43.950 --> 01:38:48.440
and I believe he has
Joy Morganstern with him.
01:38:48.440 --> 01:38:53.440
So if we have additional
questions, we can ask Joy as well.
01:38:54.100 --> 01:38:57.970
So we will take a vote
after this presentation,
01:38:57.970 --> 01:38:59.400
just as a reminder.
01:38:59.400 --> 01:39:04.400
So I'll now turn to
Director Simon Baker.
01:39:04.750 --> 01:39:05.593
Good morning.
01:39:07.750 --> 01:39:09.660
Good morning,
well, now afternoon.
01:39:09.660 --> 01:39:11.210
We're right on the cusp here.
01:39:11.210 --> 01:39:12.400
Can you hear me?
01:39:12.400 --> 01:39:15.493
Yes, we can
hear you perfectly Simon.
01:39:15.493 --> 01:39:17.383
Thank you.
01:39:17.383 --> 01:39:19.330
Thank you
and are the slides
01:39:19.330 --> 01:39:20.573
being pulled up as well?
01:39:23.430 --> 01:39:25.460
They are now, yes.
01:39:25.460 --> 01:39:26.760
Okay, thank you.
01:39:27.650 --> 01:39:29.960
Good afternoon, President
Batjer, Commissioners
01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:31.120
and the public.
01:39:31.120 --> 01:39:33.500
I'm here to present the draft resolution
01:39:33.500 --> 01:39:37.203
to update the Avoided
Cost Calculator for 2021.
01:39:38.156 --> 01:39:39.750
And as you heard from public comment
01:39:39.750 --> 01:39:42.027
there's great interest
in this resolution,
01:39:42.027 --> 01:39:44.430
and we take this opportunity to explain
01:39:44.430 --> 01:39:47.550
what the resolution
does and to highlight
01:39:47.550 --> 01:39:50.170
the diverse perspectives
heard in opposition
01:39:50.170 --> 01:39:52.710
and in support of the resolution,
01:39:52.710 --> 01:39:56.173
and hopefully to clarify
some misconceptions.
01:39:57.020 --> 01:39:57.983
Next slide, please.
01:40:00.750 --> 01:40:04.350
Now first, it's helpful to
provide a broad overview
01:40:04.350 --> 01:40:08.190
of what the Avoided
Cost Calculator calculates,
01:40:08.190 --> 01:40:10.480
and it has several different components
01:40:10.480 --> 01:40:13.310
which are illustrated
on this slide here.
01:40:13.310 --> 01:40:18.000
First is the value of
electric generation capacity,
01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:23.000
basically the ability to meet
peak demand on the system.
01:40:24.530 --> 01:40:28.850
And secondly, it calculates
what the value of the energy
01:40:28.850 --> 01:40:30.453
of electric generation is.
01:40:31.590 --> 01:40:36.560
It also calculates the value
of avoided investments
01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:39.663
in transmission and
distribution infrastructure.
01:40:41.350 --> 01:40:46.350
It calculates the value
of ancillary services
01:40:47.270 --> 01:40:52.003
which are provided onto
the grid to ensure reliability.
01:40:53.320 --> 01:40:57.323
It also calculates the
avoided cost value.
01:41:03.350 --> 01:41:05.750
Simon, we've lost you.
01:41:05.750 --> 01:41:07.500
Something happened with your audio.
01:41:09.780 --> 01:41:11.543
We were hearing you clearly but.
01:41:15.224 --> 01:41:16.420
Can you hear me now?
01:41:16.420 --> 01:41:18.510
Yes, now we can.
01:41:18.510 --> 01:41:20.379
Okay, thank you.
01:41:20.379 --> 01:41:22.244
(clears throat)
01:41:22.244 --> 01:41:25.680
And something that was
introduced in the previous update
01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:28.750
was to incorporate a value
01:41:28.750 --> 01:41:31.930
of avoided high global
warming potential gases,
01:41:31.930 --> 01:41:34.710
such as methane and refrigerant.
01:41:34.710 --> 01:41:35.643
Next slide please.
01:41:39.050 --> 01:41:40.070
So by way of background,
01:41:40.070 --> 01:41:42.380
the Avoid Cost Calculator
is one of the tools
01:41:42.380 --> 01:41:43.570
that the Commission uses
01:41:43.570 --> 01:41:46.140
to accurately determine the value
01:41:46.140 --> 01:41:49.330
of distributed energy
resources, such as rooftop solar,
01:41:49.330 --> 01:41:52.720
energy efficiency and electric vehicles.
01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:56.210
And in 2020 major changes
were made to the calculators
01:41:56.210 --> 01:42:01.210
through decision 20-04-010,
01:42:01.360 --> 01:42:03.240
and this was done to closely align it
01:42:03.240 --> 01:42:04.710
to grid planning efforts
01:42:04.710 --> 01:42:06.700
in the integrated resource
planning proceeding
01:42:06.700 --> 01:42:09.300
and the distributed
resource plan proceedings.
01:42:09.300 --> 01:42:10.170
And we did this to ensure
01:42:10.170 --> 01:42:13.300
that they pair expenditure
decisions on customer programs
01:42:13.300 --> 01:42:16.360
aligned with the most
current planning settings,
01:42:16.360 --> 01:42:18.150
and this provides greater coherence
01:42:18.150 --> 01:42:20.363
across planning and procurement.
01:42:22.500 --> 01:42:23.760
Now the Avoided Cost Calculator
01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:26.010
uses both input and output data
01:42:26.010 --> 01:42:28.700
from something called
the reference system plan
01:42:28.700 --> 01:42:30.990
in the integrated resource plan,
01:42:30.990 --> 01:42:33.660
which is the Commission's
adopted long-term plan
01:42:33.660 --> 01:42:35.340
for achieving greenhouse gas goals
01:42:35.340 --> 01:42:37.800
while maintaining safe,
reliable, affordable service,
01:42:37.800 --> 01:42:40.527
and meeting other
statutory requirements.
01:42:40.527 --> 01:42:43.040
And the IRP proceeding
produces this plan
01:42:43.040 --> 01:42:45.910
using a capacity expansion model
01:42:45.910 --> 01:42:48.670
or a resource build-out
model called resolve,
01:42:48.670 --> 01:42:50.380
which optimizes the build out
01:42:50.380 --> 01:42:52.503
of new electric generation resources.
01:42:53.460 --> 01:42:55.240
The inputs and assumptions
used to determine
01:42:55.240 --> 01:42:56.980
the reference system plan
01:42:56.980 --> 01:42:59.830
are also used to determine
an alternative scenario called
01:42:59.830 --> 01:43:01.610
the 'No New DER' case,
01:43:01.610 --> 01:43:03.710
which is used in the
Avoided Cost Calculator
01:43:03.710 --> 01:43:06.850
to determine what the state
would hypothetically build
01:43:06.850 --> 01:43:09.370
in the absence of any
further repair investments
01:43:09.370 --> 01:43:11.603
in distributed energy resource programs.
01:43:12.700 --> 01:43:17.040
As per a 2019 decision 19-05-019,
01:43:17.040 --> 01:43:20.440
annual Avoided Cost
Calculator updates alternate
01:43:20.440 --> 01:43:23.060
between major changes done in even years
01:43:23.060 --> 01:43:25.420
and minor changes done in odd years,
01:43:25.420 --> 01:43:27.480
and this is a minor change year.
01:43:27.480 --> 01:43:29.480
Major changes require a decision,
01:43:29.480 --> 01:43:32.963
minor changes go through
a staff initiated resolution.
01:43:34.130 --> 01:43:37.470
Now, the reason for controversy
in this proposed update
01:43:37.470 --> 01:43:41.050
is that the 2021 Avoided
Cost Calculator forecast
01:43:41.050 --> 01:43:42.840
indicates lower avoided costs,
01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:45.710
particularly for midday hours
01:43:45.710 --> 01:43:48.270
as compared with the 2020 calculator.
01:43:48.270 --> 01:43:49.220
Next slide, please.
01:43:51.450 --> 01:43:54.150
The methodological details
of the Avoided Cost Calculator
01:43:54.150 --> 01:43:57.290
are complex and they can
be arcane to the lay person.
01:43:57.290 --> 01:43:59.520
I'll try to explain the
main technical reasons
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:02.553
for why the proposed
updates have lower value
01:44:02.553 --> 01:44:04.420
than the current calculator.
01:44:04.420 --> 01:44:06.530
First, the resource build out
01:44:06.530 --> 01:44:10.680
or capacity expansion
modeling in the IRP process
01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:13.800
produce a lower greenhouse gas value
01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:17.970
due primarily to lower
costs for utility scale solar
01:44:17.970 --> 01:44:19.333
and energy storage.
01:44:20.350 --> 01:44:24.770
The 2030 greenhouse gas value
computed through this process
01:44:24.770 --> 01:44:30.900
decline from $202
per ton to $118 per ton.
01:44:30.900 --> 01:44:32.980
Now this 2030 greenhouse gas value
01:44:32.980 --> 01:44:34.980
is the primary data
input used to determine
01:44:34.980 --> 01:44:37.300
the annual greenhouse gas adder,
01:44:37.300 --> 01:44:40.210
which is used to
estimate the value per ton
01:44:40.210 --> 01:44:42.070
of avoided GHD emissions.
01:44:42.070 --> 01:44:44.090
And once that value
per ton is determined,
01:44:44.090 --> 01:44:48.280
then another model called the
production cost model and IRP
01:44:48.280 --> 01:44:51.700
is used to determine the
forecasted amount of GHG emitted
01:44:51.700 --> 01:44:53.730
by the generation fleet.
01:44:53.730 --> 01:44:57.080
The updated IRP modeling
found that the generation fleet
01:44:57.080 --> 01:45:00.230
is expected to become more
efficient or in technical jargon,
01:45:00.230 --> 01:45:03.630
the fleet has lower marginal heat rates.
01:45:03.630 --> 01:45:06.920
The average annual implied
marginal heat rates for 2030
01:45:07.890 --> 01:45:11.810
were 8,203 BTU per kilowatt hour
01:45:11.810 --> 01:45:13.900
in the 2020 calculator
01:45:13.900 --> 01:45:18.277
versus the new computed
values of 5,788 BTU.
01:45:21.130 --> 01:45:23.570
These fleet efficiency or heat rates
01:45:23.570 --> 01:45:26.640
are used to estimate
hourly grid GHG emissions,
01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:28.950
which are then multiplied
by the GHG adder
01:45:28.950 --> 01:45:32.373
to determine the GHG cost.
01:45:34.050 --> 01:45:36.330
Secondly, the same....
01:45:36.330 --> 01:45:38.670
Thirdly, the same IRP modeling
01:45:39.610 --> 01:45:41.810
to update the forecasted
production costs
01:45:41.810 --> 01:45:44.710
found significantly lower energy prices
01:45:44.710 --> 01:45:47.030
due to corrections to the model used
01:45:47.030 --> 01:45:49.150
in this model that's called SERVM.
01:45:49.150 --> 01:45:52.800
And also because the model
simulations were benchmarked
01:45:52.800 --> 01:45:55.030
to historical CAISO market prices
01:45:55.030 --> 01:45:57.943
as a way of ground-truthing
them to empirical data.
01:45:58.780 --> 01:46:00.610
And the result of this was that
01:46:00.610 --> 01:46:04.480
the average annual energy
value in 2030 declined
01:46:04.480 --> 01:46:07.813
from $62 a megawatt hour to 44.
01:46:09.380 --> 01:46:14.380
And now for the hour of
noon to 1:00 PM in the mid day,
01:46:15.410 --> 01:46:19.150
the average annual energy
value declined from $46 to $16.
01:46:20.860 --> 01:46:23.590
So we can see that there
was a much bigger decline
01:46:23.590 --> 01:46:25.420
for those midday hours.
01:46:25.420 --> 01:46:28.040
This is more in line
with lower daytime prices
01:46:28.040 --> 01:46:30.400
observed in recent years
in the CAISO markets
01:46:30.400 --> 01:46:33.283
due to abundance utility
scale solar generation.
01:46:34.780 --> 01:46:38.743
Finally, the resource buildup
model in IRP updated estimates
01:46:40.440 --> 01:46:43.990
of the value of the
avoided generation capacity.
01:46:43.990 --> 01:46:46.600
This is due to lower
energy storage costs.
01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:48.700
In the previous Avoided
Cost Calculator update
01:46:48.700 --> 01:46:51.220
the Commission changed
its longstanding methodology,
01:46:51.220 --> 01:46:54.320
which had assumed that
a gas fired generation plant
01:46:54.320 --> 01:46:56.560
would be the resource on the margin.
01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:59.090
In other words, the resource
that would otherwise be built
01:46:59.090 --> 01:47:00.743
to meet demand in peak periods.
01:47:01.640 --> 01:47:04.980
The currently adopted
method assumes that storage
01:47:04.980 --> 01:47:07.440
is the resource that would
be built on the margin.
01:47:07.440 --> 01:47:10.100
And due to policies to
promote storage investment,
01:47:10.100 --> 01:47:12.180
the cost of storage is going down.
01:47:12.180 --> 01:47:13.610
So these updated assumptions
01:47:13.610 --> 01:47:17.040
reflect this more positive
outlook for storage costs.
01:47:17.040 --> 01:47:19.680
In addition, the cost of
new capacity was lowered
01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:23.500
due to updated forecast of
increased market revenues
01:47:23.500 --> 01:47:25.160
these resources would earn
01:47:25.160 --> 01:47:27.310
to offset the net capacity cost
01:47:27.310 --> 01:47:29.402
that rate payers would bear.
01:47:29.402 --> 01:47:33.490
And the results in the current
Avoided Cost Calculator,
01:47:33.490 --> 01:47:37.940
the fixed costs for a
standalone four hour battery
01:47:37.940 --> 01:47:42.017
was $228 per kilowatt year,
01:47:42.017 --> 01:47:47.017
and the new figure computed
is $186 per kilowatt year
01:47:48.110 --> 01:47:51.120
for the 2021 calculator.
01:47:51.120 --> 01:47:52.070
Next slide, please.
01:47:54.250 --> 01:47:56.230
It is illustrative and
informative to see how
01:47:56.230 --> 01:47:58.200
the proposed updates affect
01:47:58.200 --> 01:48:01.840
different distributed
energy resources differently.
01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:04.550
The updates would lower
the values for some resources
01:48:04.550 --> 01:48:06.230
and raise them for others.
01:48:06.230 --> 01:48:09.050
All of the resources
highlighted in this table contribute
01:48:09.050 --> 01:48:10.890
to achieving our climate goals,
01:48:10.890 --> 01:48:14.330
including the heat pump and
electric vehicle technologies,
01:48:14.330 --> 01:48:17.270
which would see increases in benefits.
01:48:17.270 --> 01:48:19.190
The table shows the benefits calculated
01:48:19.190 --> 01:48:22.790
for these technologies in 2019, 2020,
01:48:22.790 --> 01:48:26.370
and for the proposed 2020 calculator.
01:48:26.370 --> 01:48:28.440
And we can see in the final column,
01:48:28.440 --> 01:48:32.520
the percent change
from the 2020 calculator
01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:34.140
that's proposed here.
01:48:34.140 --> 01:48:37.610
Where as we've been
hearing from solar parties,
01:48:37.610 --> 01:48:41.990
there is a significant drop of 74%
01:48:41.990 --> 01:48:43.900
and efficiency technologies
01:48:43.900 --> 01:48:48.900
such as residential cooling
also would drop here by 43%,
01:48:50.030 --> 01:48:53.560
but we see that residential
heat pumps would increase
01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:55.530
by 145%,
01:48:55.530 --> 01:48:59.920
and electric vehicles
would increase by 31%.
01:48:59.920 --> 01:49:00.870
Next slide, please.
01:49:02.750 --> 01:49:04.530
It's also illuminating to see the trend
01:49:04.530 --> 01:49:05.920
in avoided cost values
01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:10.260
since the original 2004
Avoided Cost Calculator
01:49:10.260 --> 01:49:12.910
and in updates to the calculator
01:49:12.910 --> 01:49:15.497
that have occurred since 2011.
01:49:15.497 --> 01:49:18.900
And we can see that the current
2020 Avoided Cost Calculator
01:49:18.900 --> 01:49:21.460
represents an outlier
relative to the trend,
01:49:21.460 --> 01:49:23.240
and that the proposed update is in line
01:49:23.240 --> 01:49:25.290
with previous versions
of the calculator.
01:49:26.330 --> 01:49:28.090
It's important to note that these data
01:49:28.090 --> 01:49:30.660
which were filed in the
joint utilities comments
01:49:30.660 --> 01:49:33.233
were also verified by staff consultants.
01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:35.710
Next slide, please.
01:49:37.830 --> 01:49:39.790
Eight parties opposed
the proposed updates.
01:49:39.790 --> 01:49:43.330
These parties largely
represents solar storage
01:49:43.330 --> 01:49:44.900
and energy efficiency advocates.
01:49:44.900 --> 01:49:49.900
We heard objections from solar
energy industries association
01:49:49.910 --> 01:49:51.500
and Vote Solar, CALSSA,
01:49:56.250 --> 01:49:58.443
AEE, CCSA,
01:49:59.547 --> 01:50:05.210
CEDMC, CESA, Clean
Coalition and 350 Bay Area.
01:50:05.210 --> 01:50:07.220
And apologies for not reading out
01:50:07.220 --> 01:50:09.323
all of the full names of those.
01:50:11.120 --> 01:50:13.280
It's worth noting that
staff took reply comments
01:50:13.280 --> 01:50:14.350
on this resolution,
01:50:14.350 --> 01:50:17.420
something that's not
normally done on resolutions.
01:50:17.420 --> 01:50:19.730
And we did that because we
wanted to provide an opportunity
01:50:19.730 --> 01:50:22.020
for counterpoint
01:50:22.020 --> 01:50:24.543
and to provide a more
robust written record.
01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:28.740
Some of the main
points raised in protests
01:50:28.740 --> 01:50:33.030
were that the changes are
major in scope and impact.
01:50:33.030 --> 01:50:35.120
And they alleged that this is contrary
01:50:35.120 --> 01:50:38.690
to a Commission decision
guidance on this process.
01:50:38.690 --> 01:50:41.370
They contend that the
changes to other models
01:50:41.370 --> 01:50:43.580
such as the IRP models used as inputs
01:50:43.580 --> 01:50:46.780
to the Avoided Cost
Calculator were in fact major,
01:50:46.780 --> 01:50:49.730
that they were not given
enough time or information
01:50:49.730 --> 01:50:51.370
to analyze those changes
01:50:51.370 --> 01:50:54.400
and that the model
results are inaccurate.
01:50:54.400 --> 01:50:58.100
They believe that it's improper
to use IRP modeling results
01:50:58.100 --> 01:51:00.340
that have not been formally adopted
01:51:00.340 --> 01:51:02.793
by Commission decision
in the IRP proceeding.
01:51:04.351 --> 01:51:06.900
These parties also dispute the validity
01:51:06.900 --> 01:51:09.490
of several inputs and
outputs of the IRP modeling
01:51:09.490 --> 01:51:13.560
used for the calculator updates,
01:51:13.560 --> 01:51:16.680
which they also say is unvetted.
01:51:16.680 --> 01:51:19.130
And they contend that
there were procedural errors
01:51:19.130 --> 01:51:22.740
that didn't allow parties
opportunity to provide input.
01:51:22.740 --> 01:51:25.360
Each of these points
are addressed at length
01:51:25.360 --> 01:51:27.890
in the revised resolution
before the Commission,
01:51:27.890 --> 01:51:29.943
and I will highlight a few points.
01:51:30.910 --> 01:51:34.990
With regard to concerns about
the validity of the IRP inputs
01:51:34.990 --> 01:51:37.590
to the Avoided Cost Calculator,
01:51:37.590 --> 01:51:39.440
solar energy industries association
01:51:39.440 --> 01:51:43.910
and both solar contend that
updated IRP modeling assumptions
01:51:43.910 --> 01:51:48.280
to remove the two
gigawatt hour per year tab
01:51:48.280 --> 01:51:49.640
on the solar build-out
01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:51.880
results in an unrealistic build-out
01:51:51.880 --> 01:51:54.600
of 18 gigawatts of solar
01:51:54.600 --> 01:51:59.070
and 10 gigawatts of storage by 2025.
01:51:59.070 --> 01:52:02.530
And the natural resources
defense council replied
01:52:02.530 --> 01:52:04.320
in comments that quotes
01:52:04.320 --> 01:52:06.130
'SIA and both solar misunderstand
01:52:06.130 --> 01:52:08.270
how the GHD adder is estimated
01:52:08.270 --> 01:52:11.530
and incorrectly assert
that solar and storage builds
01:52:11.530 --> 01:52:15.890
in 2024 to 2026 impact the GHG adder.
01:52:15.890 --> 01:52:17.680
The GHG adder is impacted
01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:20.910
by the marginal resource build in 2030,
01:52:20.910 --> 01:52:24.207
and the discount rate applied
to develop the GHG adder.'
01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:27.690
We also heard from
some public commentors
01:52:27.690 --> 01:52:29.520
a claim being made by solar parties
01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:32.530
which is that a new and
untested model would use
01:52:32.530 --> 01:52:34.830
for predicting how
wholesale energy pricing
01:52:34.830 --> 01:52:36.810
will behave in the future.
01:52:36.810 --> 01:52:38.790
We wanna clarify that
it's the same model
01:52:38.790 --> 01:52:39.760
as previously used,
01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:42.660
but the methods have been
updated to improve accuracy.
01:52:42.660 --> 01:52:45.270
The pricing model forecast low prices
01:52:45.270 --> 01:52:49.270
when the solar is generating
due to surplus energy,
01:52:49.270 --> 01:52:50.930
but the price forecasted they go up
01:52:50.930 --> 01:52:52.430
when the sun goes down
01:52:52.430 --> 01:52:55.980
and this is consistent with
today's pricing patterns.
01:52:55.980 --> 01:52:56.930
Next slide, please.
01:52:59.427 --> 01:53:01.950
A diverse group of parties
support the resolution.
01:53:01.950 --> 01:53:05.600
They include California Advocates,
01:53:05.600 --> 01:53:08.320
the Utility Reform Network,
01:53:08.320 --> 01:53:10.830
the Natural Resources Defense Council,
01:53:10.830 --> 01:53:14.980
the Joint Utilities and the
Utility Employee Group, CUE.
01:53:14.980 --> 01:53:17.090
In summary, these parties maintain that
01:53:17.090 --> 01:53:19.290
the changes are minor in scope,
01:53:19.290 --> 01:53:22.500
as regards to modeling
methods and input assumptions,
01:53:22.500 --> 01:53:24.930
even though the impact was large.
01:53:24.930 --> 01:53:27.560
They also contend that
changes to other models,
01:53:27.560 --> 01:53:30.090
such as IRP models are minor.
01:53:30.090 --> 01:53:32.640
They believe that the
proposed 2021 update
01:53:32.640 --> 01:53:34.810
makes necessary corrections of errors
01:53:34.810 --> 01:53:37.470
found in the 2020 calculator.
01:53:37.470 --> 01:53:39.850
These parties also contend
that it's not necessary
01:53:39.850 --> 01:53:43.660
to use only Commission
adopted IRP modeling results.
01:53:43.660 --> 01:53:45.450
They state that prior
Commission decisions
01:53:45.450 --> 01:53:46.860
do not require this detail.
01:53:46.860 --> 01:53:50.650
And they contend that all IRP
modeling was publicly vetted,
01:53:50.650 --> 01:53:52.773
contrary to protest and contention.
01:53:53.610 --> 01:53:55.870
In response to claims
that the documentation
01:53:55.870 --> 01:53:58.820
of proposed changes was
inadequate, these parties maintain
01:53:58.820 --> 01:54:01.290
that all changes were
documented sufficiently
01:54:01.290 --> 01:54:02.710
by energy division staff.
01:54:02.710 --> 01:54:05.780
And they also believe
that parties had ample time
01:54:05.780 --> 01:54:07.503
and opportunity to comment.
01:54:08.480 --> 01:54:10.190
We've heard claims from solar advocates
01:54:10.190 --> 01:54:11.820
and other protestants
that this resolution
01:54:11.820 --> 01:54:15.450
is the result of backchannel
lobbying by the utilities,
01:54:15.450 --> 01:54:16.690
and this is untrue.
01:54:16.690 --> 01:54:17.710
Environmental groups
01:54:17.710 --> 01:54:20.380
and consumer groups
support this resolution
01:54:20.380 --> 01:54:23.840
and agree that there was
a process for all parties
01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:26.130
to vet the inputs to this proposal.
01:54:26.130 --> 01:54:28.643
For example, TAN stated,
01:54:29.743 --> 01:54:31.493
'There appears to be little dispute
01:54:33.370 --> 01:54:36.810
that these changed outputs
are more consistent with reality
01:54:36.810 --> 01:54:39.720
than the results of the
2020 voting cost calculator.
01:54:39.720 --> 01:54:42.750
And thus the Commission
should ensure that critical planning
01:54:42.750 --> 01:54:46.010
and valuation decisions
impacting long-term deployment
01:54:46.010 --> 01:54:48.840
of DER programs and incentives be guided
01:54:48.840 --> 01:54:51.597
by the revised 2021 calculator.'
01:54:52.490 --> 01:54:54.821
And NRDC states,
01:54:54.821 --> 01:54:56.797
'The main drivers have
changed between 2020
01:54:56.797 --> 01:55:00.640
and 2021 are more
accurate energy prices,
01:55:00.640 --> 01:55:04.190
updated GHT prices and
improved emissions forecast.
01:55:04.190 --> 01:55:08.410
And the 2021 calculator
correctly updates GHG prices
01:55:08.410 --> 01:55:12.580
and overestimates of
midday thermal generation
01:55:12.580 --> 01:55:14.220
in the 2020 calculator,
01:55:14.220 --> 01:55:16.860
bringing the calculator in
line with market conditions
01:55:16.860 --> 01:55:18.173
and recent market trends.
01:55:19.980 --> 01:55:22.460
Finally, we've heard
from solar advocates
01:55:22.460 --> 01:55:26.360
that this proposal will hurt
solar customers taking service
01:55:26.360 --> 01:55:28.357
under the NEM 1.0
01:55:29.215 --> 01:55:30.548
and 2.0 tariffs.
01:55:32.013 --> 01:55:32.846
The NEM grandfathering rules
to these customers still apply.
01:55:35.230 --> 01:55:36.750
The PUC has a strong record
01:55:36.750 --> 01:55:38.590
of not making retroactive changes
01:55:38.590 --> 01:55:40.300
to customer facing programs.
01:55:40.300 --> 01:55:44.210
So any claims that the
PUC is intending to change
01:55:44.210 --> 01:55:45.043
the current structure
01:55:45.043 --> 01:55:48.620
for current solar
customers are misleading.
01:55:48.620 --> 01:55:51.030
Finally, we heard from
some public commenters
01:55:51.030 --> 01:55:53.220
that avoided transmission value
01:55:53.220 --> 01:55:56.130
is not included in the
Avoided Cost Calculator,
01:55:56.130 --> 01:55:57.500
and this is inaccurate.
01:55:57.500 --> 01:55:59.660
The calculator does include this value
01:55:59.660 --> 01:56:02.260
though it may be lower than
advocate groups contend.
01:56:04.150 --> 01:56:06.133
And that concludes my presentation.
01:56:08.850 --> 01:56:10.533
Thank you very much Simon.
01:56:11.510 --> 01:56:13.410
Before I make any comments,
01:56:13.410 --> 01:56:16.880
I want to first turn to
the Commissioners
01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:20.820
and ask if they have
any questions or thoughts
01:56:20.820 --> 01:56:24.450
that they need to ask you or Joy.
01:56:24.450 --> 01:56:25.860
Joy is on the line, I believe.
01:56:25.860 --> 01:56:27.550
Is that correct Simon?
01:56:27.550 --> 01:56:28.383
Yeah.
01:56:28.383 --> 01:56:29.690
Yes, I'm here.
01:56:29.690 --> 01:56:31.200
Oh, good, thank you, Joy.
01:56:31.200 --> 01:56:33.820
I just can't see everybody, thanks.
01:56:33.820 --> 01:56:35.393
So yes,
01:56:36.460 --> 01:56:39.900
Commissioner Guzman
Aceves has a question.
01:56:39.900 --> 01:56:41.070
Thank you, President Batjer
01:56:41.070 --> 01:56:45.740
and thank you Simon for
such a thorough explanation.
01:56:45.740 --> 01:56:50.500
I think just writing down
some of the public comments,
01:56:50.500 --> 01:56:53.670
I think you addressed
all of them, except one,
01:56:53.670 --> 01:56:56.570
which hopefully is an easier answer.
01:56:56.570 --> 01:56:58.400
But it was concerning when we heard
01:56:58.400 --> 01:57:00.770
from one of the representatives
from the school districts
01:57:00.770 --> 01:57:03.960
that they did not have
access to the data
01:57:03.960 --> 01:57:06.180
that was used to update the ACC.
01:57:07.140 --> 01:57:10.840
And I wonder if there's
somewhere we can point them to
01:57:10.840 --> 01:57:14.043
or any response to that point.
01:57:15.900 --> 01:57:16.733
Thank you.
01:57:16.733 --> 01:57:20.080
I'm gonna turn to Joy to
respond to that question.
01:57:20.080 --> 01:57:20.913
Joy please.
01:57:22.210 --> 01:57:25.880
Yeah, we released
quite a bit of data
01:57:25.880 --> 01:57:29.700
when we released the
draft resolution on May 3rd.
01:57:29.700 --> 01:57:32.050
We posted quite a bit of data
01:57:33.290 --> 01:57:38.260
related to the output of the
production cost modeling.
01:57:38.260 --> 01:57:43.120
We asked the IRP team
to also post output data
01:57:44.070 --> 01:57:48.610
from various IRP
resolve modeling results.
01:57:50.540 --> 01:57:53.170
That's the capacity expansion model.
01:57:53.170 --> 01:57:55.670
After we released the draft resolution,
01:57:55.670 --> 01:57:57.950
we received an email
01:57:57.950 --> 01:58:01.620
from the solar energy
industries association
01:58:01.620 --> 01:58:03.873
asking for more data.
01:58:04.740 --> 01:58:08.180
We released many, many files of data.
01:58:08.180 --> 01:58:11.630
We released all the output
data that they asked for.
01:58:11.630 --> 01:58:15.747
We released quite a bit of
detailed information from...
01:58:17.620 --> 01:58:20.610
We asked the IRP team
to post more information
01:58:20.610 --> 01:58:23.420
about the results
coming from their resolve
01:58:23.420 --> 01:58:24.853
and server models.
01:58:25.740 --> 01:58:28.700
That has all been posted on our website.
01:58:28.700 --> 01:58:33.700
It is on the I-D-E-R
cost effectiveness page,
01:58:33.840 --> 01:58:36.970
which you can search
for on the CPUC website
01:58:38.046 --> 01:58:39.710
and the IRP data
01:58:39.710 --> 01:58:44.710
is on the integrated resource
planning page of our website.
01:58:44.780 --> 01:58:48.130
There are data sets
after datasets that are...
01:58:49.240 --> 01:58:54.240
And we have no problem
with releasing data
01:58:54.870 --> 01:58:56.210
from our modeling.
01:58:56.210 --> 01:58:59.230
And additionally Avoided
Cost Calculator itself
01:58:59.230 --> 01:59:01.320
is a spreadsheet model.
01:59:01.320 --> 01:59:03.180
It's completely transparent.
01:59:03.180 --> 01:59:05.370
Anybody can download the spreadsheet
01:59:05.370 --> 01:59:06.353
and look at it.
01:59:08.350 --> 01:59:09.200
Thank you, Joy.
01:59:12.819 --> 01:59:15.902
President Batjer,
I have a question
01:59:18.130 --> 01:59:20.733
for Simon or Joy.
01:59:24.744 --> 01:59:25.583
One of the recurring issues
01:59:25.583 --> 01:59:28.770
and the concern raised by the parties is
01:59:28.770 --> 01:59:31.760
what's the line between
major and minor changes
01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:34.400
to the Avoided Cost Calculator,
01:59:34.400 --> 01:59:37.680
given that the level
of review is different?
01:59:37.680 --> 01:59:39.960
And I'm wondering if
you could elaborate on
01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:44.270
what we're gonna do going
forward in updates to make clear
01:59:45.650 --> 01:59:48.320
how we distinguish between the two
01:59:48.320 --> 01:59:51.243
and the different process for the two.
01:59:53.300 --> 01:59:55.410
Yeah, we recognize that
01:59:55.410 --> 01:59:59.940
there maybe some additional clarity
01:59:59.940 --> 02:00:02.950
that the Commission could provide
02:00:02.950 --> 02:00:07.430
as regards what the
Commission intends to say
02:00:10.660 --> 02:00:15.660
when it says that minor
changes are acceptable
02:00:16.200 --> 02:00:19.120
during the minor updates cycle.
02:00:19.120 --> 02:00:21.520
The question kind of hinges around
02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:24.550
as we saw illustrated
in the parties comments
02:00:24.550 --> 02:00:29.170
that advocates that are contrary,
02:00:29.170 --> 02:00:31.900
that oppose the updates,
02:00:31.900 --> 02:00:36.510
they perforate that
language to mean that
02:00:36.510 --> 02:00:41.260
if there are significant
changes in the results
02:00:41.260 --> 02:00:43.240
that come out of those updates,
02:00:43.240 --> 02:00:48.240
that it is therefore by
definition, a major update.
02:00:49.300 --> 02:00:52.210
And then the other parties contend that,
02:00:52.210 --> 02:00:58.770
no, you could have minor
changes that result in...
02:00:59.730 --> 02:01:03.340
Minor updates that
results in major impact.
02:01:03.340 --> 02:01:05.923
An example given there
might be, for example,
02:01:08.784 --> 02:01:12.860
the minor updates allow for
updates to input assumptions
02:01:12.860 --> 02:01:15.023
like gas prices for example.
02:01:16.230 --> 02:01:21.230
Imagine a scenario in which
there were major changes
02:01:21.520 --> 02:01:23.580
in the natural gas
industry that resulted
02:01:25.008 --> 02:01:27.670
in spikes and gas price forecast.
02:01:27.670 --> 02:01:31.120
The current Commission
rules allow for input
02:01:31.120 --> 02:01:35.300
to be updated in a minor update cycle.
02:01:35.300 --> 02:01:40.300
And that could result in
major changes in the results
02:01:41.110 --> 02:01:43.470
or the outcomes of the model,
02:01:43.470 --> 02:01:46.820
and yet it was only an
update to an input assumption.
02:01:46.820 --> 02:01:48.853
So process wise,
02:01:50.170 --> 02:01:52.850
staff recognized that
there's an opportunity
02:01:52.850 --> 02:01:54.530
to provide further clarity
02:01:55.370 --> 02:01:59.920
with regard to the scope of changes
02:01:59.920 --> 02:02:01.470
in a minor update cycle.
02:02:01.470 --> 02:02:06.470
We're going into now a major
update cycle going into 2022,
02:02:07.916 --> 02:02:12.037
and we are recommending
putting before the parties
02:02:13.168 --> 02:02:16.630
this issue to seek greater
clarity from the Commission
02:02:16.630 --> 02:02:18.733
and a forthcoming
decision on this matter.
02:02:20.810 --> 02:02:24.920
Thank you, I think clarifying
the line would be helpful
02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:26.030
as you suggest.
02:02:27.600 --> 02:02:30.990
Yes, I agree with
that comment Clifford
02:02:30.990 --> 02:02:35.300
and I think it seems
like it's tied to the year
02:02:35.300 --> 02:02:40.300
as opposed to, as you
just described Simon
02:02:42.570 --> 02:02:45.540
to whether it's actually
having an impact
02:02:45.540 --> 02:02:46.940
that's major or minor.
02:02:46.940 --> 02:02:51.940
So I definitely think
it's very much worthy
02:02:52.420 --> 02:02:53.930
of some clarification.
02:02:53.930 --> 02:02:56.733
I think Commissioner
Shiroma had her hand up too.
02:03:00.930 --> 02:03:02.193
You might be muted.
02:03:03.870 --> 02:03:04.943
I am, thank you.
02:03:05.920 --> 02:03:07.750
Thank you President Batjer.
02:03:07.750 --> 02:03:10.850
So thank you Simon for the presentation,
02:03:10.850 --> 02:03:12.313
the answers to the questions.
02:03:13.700 --> 02:03:16.780
I'm very keenly aware that
02:03:17.780 --> 02:03:21.270
you have the model itself,
02:03:21.270 --> 02:03:25.950
you've got the
spreadsheets, the algorithms,
02:03:25.950 --> 02:03:27.383
the calculations,
02:03:29.030 --> 02:03:32.200
and these models,
whether it's resolve
02:03:32.200 --> 02:03:35.280
or the reference system
plan and resolved.
02:03:35.280 --> 02:03:38.520
And it's been around for a long time,
02:03:38.520 --> 02:03:43.520
has been vetted, reviewed,
assessed, third party,
02:03:43.850 --> 02:03:45.580
and so forth.
02:03:45.580 --> 02:03:50.580
Here the inputs to the model
02:03:50.680 --> 02:03:53.370
have caused great consternation.
02:03:53.370 --> 02:03:56.420
Now, as I look at the spreadsheet,
02:03:56.420 --> 02:03:58.320
looking at the comparison of benefits,
02:03:59.770 --> 02:04:04.560
the 2020 dollar amounts
02:04:06.965 --> 02:04:11.280
were based on substantially the RF
02:04:11.280 --> 02:04:15.497
at integrated resource plan
resource adequacy roadmap
02:04:17.300 --> 02:04:20.560
that we had anticipated
02:04:20.560 --> 02:04:23.870
in that 2019, 2020 timeframe.
02:04:23.870 --> 02:04:27.120
But then we updated that more recently
02:04:27.120 --> 02:04:29.753
and especially with solar for...
02:04:30.670 --> 02:04:33.640
I mean, I'm recalling in the
previous decision that we...
02:04:33.640 --> 02:04:38.640
In terms of the data
input into this assessment,
02:04:39.060 --> 02:04:41.760
I think I heard you say that
one of the key things was
02:04:43.020 --> 02:04:48.020
we added a large amount
of industrial size solar
02:04:50.070 --> 02:04:52.473
for that 2030 timeframe.
02:04:54.770 --> 02:04:59.770
Certainly not to be in lieu
02:05:00.120 --> 02:05:03.520
of additional rooftop solar,
02:05:03.520 --> 02:05:05.490
whether it residential or commercial,
02:05:05.490 --> 02:05:08.830
but that is a key reason why
02:05:08.830 --> 02:05:11.720
as we update the calculation
02:05:12.630 --> 02:05:17.630
that that benefit level
then goes from $80
02:05:17.710 --> 02:05:19.663
to $139 to $58.
02:05:22.862 --> 02:05:26.740
Am I describing this properly, Simon
02:05:26.740 --> 02:05:30.283
in terms of what are the
key factors at play here?
02:05:36.200 --> 02:05:41.110
Is the addition of where we specified
02:05:41.110 --> 02:05:43.710
large megawatts anticipation
02:05:43.710 --> 02:05:45.883
of utility scale solar.
02:05:49.580 --> 02:05:50.413
Okay, yeah.
02:05:51.870 --> 02:05:54.720
The key factors that explain
02:05:55.810 --> 02:05:59.690
the lower avoided cost
values are explained
02:05:59.690 --> 02:06:01.510
on slide four.
02:06:01.510 --> 02:06:06.510
And it's a combination of some updates
02:06:09.240 --> 02:06:11.580
and input assumptions with regard to
02:06:11.580 --> 02:06:16.170
the assumed cost of utility scale
02:06:16.170 --> 02:06:18.610
and energy storage resources,
02:06:18.610 --> 02:06:22.010
which are the primary new resources,
02:06:22.010 --> 02:06:23.910
which are assumed to be built
02:06:23.910 --> 02:06:27.560
in the capacity expansion
modeling in IRP.
02:06:27.560 --> 02:06:31.160
And so it's a bit of a
success story actually
02:06:33.870 --> 02:06:37.470
that we're forecasting lower prices
02:06:37.470 --> 02:06:40.820
for those clean energy resources,
02:06:40.820 --> 02:06:43.400
but then that is having
this feedback effect
02:06:43.400 --> 02:06:46.740
because then the avoided cost benefits
02:06:46.740 --> 02:06:49.070
of rooftop solar and other DER's
02:06:51.710 --> 02:06:54.810
are therefore then not
assumed to be as high,
02:06:54.810 --> 02:06:59.060
because the resource build
out is expected to be less costly
02:07:00.700 --> 02:07:03.600
than we had previously assumed.
02:07:03.600 --> 02:07:04.433
So that's one.
02:07:04.433 --> 02:07:05.360
And then the other is
02:07:07.730 --> 02:07:09.820
how that increase in the amount of solar
02:07:09.820 --> 02:07:14.100
on the fleet then feeds
into the energy prices
02:07:15.910 --> 02:07:17.920
that are forecasted onto the grid
02:07:17.920 --> 02:07:21.900
by having more and more surplus solar
02:07:21.900 --> 02:07:24.033
during the mid day time periods.
02:07:25.180 --> 02:07:30.180
The updated modeling then
reflect lower energy prices
02:07:31.250 --> 02:07:32.763
than was previously assumed.
02:07:35.380 --> 02:07:36.257
Okay, thank you.
Did that answer
02:07:36.257 --> 02:07:37.168
your question?
02:07:37.168 --> 02:07:39.150
Okay.
Yes, indeed you did.
02:07:39.150 --> 02:07:43.660
We approve and anticipate
a large amount of storage,
02:07:43.660 --> 02:07:45.400
which we absolutely need
02:07:45.400 --> 02:07:48.843
for that next peak
pricing period of time.
02:07:50.820 --> 02:07:55.020
Whether it's five to
eight or four to nine
02:07:56.180 --> 02:08:00.400
and it's the boon and
the bane, as far as...
02:08:00.400 --> 02:08:03.110
By anticipating any of those resources,
02:08:03.110 --> 02:08:08.110
it then brings down the prices overall.
02:08:11.020 --> 02:08:13.393
At this point, President Batjer,
02:08:15.090 --> 02:08:16.750
I was gonna also make comments.
02:08:16.750 --> 02:08:19.663
Should I wait until your questions are-
02:08:20.570 --> 02:08:24.740
Let me see if Commissioner
Houck has any questions
02:08:24.740 --> 02:08:27.820
and then sure, okay?
02:08:27.820 --> 02:08:29.960
Commissioner Houck?
Thank you, yeah.
02:08:29.960 --> 02:08:31.680
I just wanted to
comment that I agree
02:08:31.680 --> 02:08:34.200
with both Commissioner Rechtschaffen
02:08:34.200 --> 02:08:36.730
and you President Batjer regarding
02:08:36.730 --> 02:08:40.040
in this next cycle for the major update,
02:08:40.040 --> 02:08:42.420
there is significant
public process built there,
02:08:42.420 --> 02:08:45.870
and we should address this
issue of the distinction between
02:08:45.870 --> 02:08:50.650
the major and minor process
and how we can ensure input
02:08:50.650 --> 02:08:52.120
during those minor years,
02:08:52.120 --> 02:08:55.250
given there could be
significant outcomes,
02:08:55.250 --> 02:08:58.383
even though the process is
considered a minor process.
02:08:59.850 --> 02:09:00.710
Thank you, Commissioner.
02:09:00.710 --> 02:09:03.590
I just wanna note that
there's actually language
02:09:03.590 --> 02:09:08.320
in the resolution itself
that calls for clarification
02:09:08.320 --> 02:09:11.960
on this major versus minor change issue
02:09:11.960 --> 02:09:13.270
for that to be updated
02:09:13.270 --> 02:09:18.270
in this forthcoming 2022 update cycle.
02:09:19.830 --> 02:09:21.540
Thank you, I appreciate that.
02:09:21.540 --> 02:09:23.420
Yeah, thank you.
02:09:23.420 --> 02:09:25.980
I do have one follow-up question
02:09:25.980 --> 02:09:29.520
and then I'll turn to
Commissioner Shiroma
02:09:29.520 --> 02:09:32.043
to have her remarks.
02:09:33.080 --> 02:09:37.520
One of the callers commented
today, this morning on
02:09:39.040 --> 02:09:41.830
that there was an outside consultant
02:09:41.830 --> 02:09:44.940
that had a conflict of interest
02:09:44.940 --> 02:09:48.117
that helped with the
development of the modeling.
02:09:48.117 --> 02:09:50.000
Could you clarify that?
02:09:50.000 --> 02:09:51.970
Not so much about the conflict,
02:09:51.970 --> 02:09:55.043
but what consultant
were they referring to?
02:09:58.750 --> 02:10:03.410
I'm imagining that they were
referring to Stan Consultant
02:10:03.410 --> 02:10:06.250
which is the firm E3.
02:10:06.250 --> 02:10:11.250
And we have a robust
02:10:11.550 --> 02:10:14.060
conflict of interest policy
02:10:14.060 --> 02:10:17.770
and procedure for continuously reviewing
02:10:18.710 --> 02:10:24.080
the other contracts that E3 has,
02:10:24.080 --> 02:10:28.600
to ensure that any new new contracts
02:10:28.600 --> 02:10:29.990
or changes in contracts
02:10:31.102 --> 02:10:34.790
that they may be considering
are properly reviewed
02:10:34.790 --> 02:10:38.340
and conflicts are avoided.
02:10:38.340 --> 02:10:42.000
And we've had instances
actually through this process
02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:46.910
where we've basically
had to tell E3 that
02:10:47.800 --> 02:10:49.990
we thought that a potential contract
02:10:49.990 --> 02:10:51.890
that they might enter into is improper
02:10:53.263 --> 02:10:56.460
and they've gone ahead and
not entered into that contract.
02:10:56.460 --> 02:10:59.073
So we take that issue very seriously.
02:11:00.080 --> 02:11:03.070
Thank you for that
clarification, Simon.
02:11:03.070 --> 02:11:04.410
I think that's helpful.
02:11:04.410 --> 02:11:07.100
I hope the call is still on the line.
02:11:07.100 --> 02:11:09.970
Okay, I will turn to the
Commissioners now
02:11:09.970 --> 02:11:13.127
for their comments
about item number three.
02:11:13.127 --> 02:11:16.570
Commissioner Shiroma?
02:11:16.570 --> 02:11:17.510
Yes, thank you President.
02:11:17.510 --> 02:11:20.850
First I want to thank
everyone who called in
02:11:21.990 --> 02:11:26.663
to provide public comments
and express their perspective,
02:11:28.090 --> 02:11:30.560
their passion for solar,
02:11:30.560 --> 02:11:34.343
their commitment to solar
clearly comes through.
02:11:35.940 --> 02:11:40.600
I've spent many a
decade on energy matters,
02:11:40.600 --> 02:11:44.640
and during my time at SMUD,
02:11:45.800 --> 02:11:50.800
another colleague and I, we
became the champion of solar
02:11:51.690 --> 02:11:53.390
at that time to say,
02:11:53.390 --> 02:11:56.523
hey, we've gotta be a leader in solar.
02:11:57.390 --> 02:12:00.270
We've got to invest in solar,
02:12:00.270 --> 02:12:02.770
and doll forward to today
02:12:02.770 --> 02:12:06.363
and it has been a highly
successful program.
02:12:07.540 --> 02:12:12.540
I do certainly as a human being,
02:12:12.980 --> 02:12:15.800
I'm concerned that anything I say
02:12:17.881 --> 02:12:20.183
will be viewed and scanned
02:12:22.220 --> 02:12:25.290
because I am going to be voting
02:12:25.290 --> 02:12:28.913
in support of this
resolution but here goes.
02:12:31.130 --> 02:12:36.130
In assessing our grid,
02:12:36.800 --> 02:12:40.947
our essential utility service
02:12:42.580 --> 02:12:49.010
that must provide
reliability and quality of life,
02:12:49.010 --> 02:12:50.080
affordable rate
02:12:53.305 --> 02:12:55.510
have all started with
02:12:55.510 --> 02:13:00.100
what is the foundational tool?
02:13:00.100 --> 02:13:02.100
What are the foundational tools
02:13:02.100 --> 02:13:07.060
that we use to assess the facts
02:13:07.060 --> 02:13:10.970
of what are happening
on our electricity grid?
02:13:10.970 --> 02:13:12.940
And that's where this revolution
02:13:12.940 --> 02:13:17.940
has used more time
model resolve and so forth.
02:13:17.940 --> 02:13:21.870
E3 is a very credible consultant
02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:27.303
and where these models are
tested and tested and tested.
02:13:29.000 --> 02:13:33.920
And in this mid-year assessment,
02:13:36.540 --> 02:13:41.540
the south is not making large changes
02:13:41.890 --> 02:13:45.750
to the calculations,
algorithms so forth.
02:13:45.750 --> 02:13:50.030
But what we have here
are what are the data inputs
02:13:50.030 --> 02:13:52.780
into this model that send results in
02:13:53.810 --> 02:13:56.530
what we foresee for 2030?
02:13:57.860 --> 02:14:03.790
And surely that
results will incur
02:14:03.790 --> 02:14:06.730
policy decisions on our parts
02:14:06.730 --> 02:14:10.220
as far as what does the model tell us
02:14:11.410 --> 02:14:15.863
in terms of the anticipated
cost, drivers and so forth.
02:14:16.780 --> 02:14:20.800
Then as we approach what is the future
02:14:20.800 --> 02:14:23.330
of rooftop solar and so forth?
02:14:23.330 --> 02:14:25.090
I very much appreciated that
02:14:27.420 --> 02:14:29.570
Director Baker said that
02:14:30.590 --> 02:14:35.170
we have had a long
standing policy perspective
02:14:35.170 --> 02:14:38.670
in terms of distinct customers
02:14:38.670 --> 02:14:40.470
and what they can rely on
02:14:40.470 --> 02:14:44.330
for their rates going forward.
02:14:44.330 --> 02:14:48.833
There have been an aspect
of grandfathering in rates,
02:14:49.690 --> 02:14:51.090
and then looking forward to the future
02:14:51.090 --> 02:14:53.810
as to how do we problem solve together
02:14:53.810 --> 02:14:56.773
in building solar with storage,
02:14:57.610 --> 02:14:59.220
solar with storage,
02:14:59.220 --> 02:15:03.990
and what do those future rates look like
02:15:03.990 --> 02:15:06.530
as we true up...
02:15:08.856 --> 02:15:12.630
What is there in terms of the cost
02:15:14.130 --> 02:15:18.240
and then what do we want
to do from a policy perspective
02:15:18.240 --> 02:15:22.200
towards supporting
programs like this rooftop solar
02:15:22.200 --> 02:15:26.883
and their role in meeting
our 2030, 2045 goals?
02:15:27.970 --> 02:15:32.970
So here we are assessing the tool
02:15:34.760 --> 02:15:37.433
and what it is predicting for us.
02:15:38.340 --> 02:15:41.893
And then in our proceedings
that are still open,
02:15:42.820 --> 02:15:45.230
I feel that we will be assessing,
02:15:45.230 --> 02:15:50.230
well what overall is our policy
and commitments to customers
02:15:51.150 --> 02:15:53.240
who are investing
02:15:54.800 --> 02:15:57.860
in these very important, essential
02:15:59.190 --> 02:16:01.530
distributing energy resources.
02:16:01.530 --> 02:16:03.640
So thank you for the opportunity
02:16:03.640 --> 02:16:05.500
to give my perspective,
02:16:05.500 --> 02:16:07.027
back to your President Batjer.
02:16:09.860 --> 02:16:11.370
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:16:11.370 --> 02:16:13.900
Who would like to make
any further comments
02:16:13.900 --> 02:16:15.253
on item number three?
02:16:17.240 --> 02:16:19.197
Yes, Commissioner
Guzman Aceves.
02:16:21.840 --> 02:16:22.970
Thank you President Batjer.
02:16:22.970 --> 02:16:26.530
Really just to reiterate
Commissioner Shiroma point
02:16:26.530 --> 02:16:30.210
which is certainly as we look
at each individual programs
02:16:30.210 --> 02:16:34.010
and proceeding, this
cost effectiveness test
02:16:34.010 --> 02:16:38.570
is just one of many
things that we look at.
02:16:38.570 --> 02:16:42.260
And so, as we heard very much today,
02:16:42.260 --> 02:16:45.320
the focus of much common
is a concern on the future
02:16:45.320 --> 02:16:48.290
of the net energy metering program.
02:16:48.290 --> 02:16:49.830
And I just wanna reiterate
02:16:49.830 --> 02:16:54.210
that we'll be looking at
many different sets of values
02:16:54.210 --> 02:16:56.200
of the programs, sets of benefits.
02:16:56.200 --> 02:16:58.630
We heard many of them today in the call,
02:16:58.630 --> 02:17:01.760
resiliency benefits,
air quality benefits,
02:17:01.760 --> 02:17:03.330
things that are not currently captured
02:17:03.330 --> 02:17:05.980
in this cost effectiveness test.
02:17:05.980 --> 02:17:10.610
So this is a very foundational
piece of information,
02:17:10.610 --> 02:17:13.440
but it is not the only element.
02:17:13.440 --> 02:17:14.663
So thank you very much.
02:17:16.820 --> 02:17:18.230
Thank you, Commissioner.
02:17:18.230 --> 02:17:20.410
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:17:20.410 --> 02:17:22.590
Thank you for those comments
Commissioners Shiroma
02:17:22.590 --> 02:17:24.030
and Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:17:24.030 --> 02:17:28.710
I think the last point you
made is really, really critical.
02:17:28.710 --> 02:17:30.540
And while this is a difficult decision
02:17:30.540 --> 02:17:32.500
and obviously controversial,
02:17:32.500 --> 02:17:36.830
and one which commentators
express a lot of concern,
02:17:36.830 --> 02:17:37.663
it is very important
02:17:37.663 --> 02:17:39.900
that we have the most up-to-date numbers
02:17:39.900 --> 02:17:42.160
in informing our policy.
02:17:42.160 --> 02:17:46.290
I wanna reiterate two points
that Director baker said,
02:17:46.290 --> 02:17:50.620
one is that, in some ways,
this is really a success story.
02:17:50.620 --> 02:17:53.890
The reason the avoided
costs numbers are dropping
02:17:53.890 --> 02:17:57.430
for distributed resources
like rooftop solar
02:17:57.430 --> 02:17:59.950
is because we've been so successful
02:17:59.950 --> 02:18:04.650
in our other policies and
the cost of utility scale solar
02:18:04.650 --> 02:18:08.480
and storage resources
have dramatically declined.
02:18:08.480 --> 02:18:11.140
Second while rooftop solar,
02:18:11.140 --> 02:18:13.590
and some other distributed resources
02:18:13.590 --> 02:18:15.740
show lower avoided costs,
02:18:15.740 --> 02:18:19.970
it's really important that
other demand side resources
02:18:19.970 --> 02:18:24.240
that will be equally critical
to our decarbonization goals,
02:18:24.240 --> 02:18:27.120
such as heat pumps and electric vehicles
02:18:27.120 --> 02:18:28.920
show higher avoided costs,
02:18:28.920 --> 02:18:31.500
and we shouldn't lose sight of that.
02:18:31.500 --> 02:18:33.370
So I will be supporting the resolution.
02:18:33.370 --> 02:18:35.323
Thank you for your
detailed presentation.
02:18:38.520 --> 02:18:39.593
Any other comments?
02:18:41.930 --> 02:18:43.320
Okay.
02:18:43.320 --> 02:18:48.190
I just want to add my
thanks to Director Baker
02:18:48.190 --> 02:18:54.210
and to Ms. Morganstern
and to the whole team.
02:18:54.210 --> 02:18:56.220
This is been a great deal of work,
02:18:56.220 --> 02:18:58.220
and I greatly appreciate it.
02:18:58.220 --> 02:19:00.200
It's certainly understand the importance
02:19:00.200 --> 02:19:03.160
of the cost effectiveness results
02:19:03.160 --> 02:19:05.257
for all the distributed energy resources
02:19:05.257 --> 02:19:07.371
and that many of the resources
02:19:07.371 --> 02:19:10.530
can have a strong
influence on their viabilities.
02:19:10.530 --> 02:19:14.530
So I also believe it's
important that we use data
02:19:14.530 --> 02:19:17.070
that is most current and accurate
02:19:17.070 --> 02:19:20.120
and an accurate reflection
on our current reality.
02:19:20.120 --> 02:19:23.633
I think that's been well spoken
about in the presentation.
02:19:24.580 --> 02:19:27.300
And I appreciate that there are those
02:19:27.300 --> 02:19:30.540
who questioned the
changes to the certain inputs.
02:19:30.540 --> 02:19:32.580
However, there are also those
02:19:32.580 --> 02:19:36.400
as was mentioned by Director Baker,
02:19:36.400 --> 02:19:39.780
they're all also those like
the consumer advocates
02:19:39.780 --> 02:19:44.490
and the environmental
groups like NRDC and others
02:19:44.490 --> 02:19:47.010
who argue that these updates
02:19:47.010 --> 02:19:49.250
are very important and appropriate.
02:19:49.250 --> 02:19:52.720
So given the importance of
the Avoided Cost Calculator
02:19:52.720 --> 02:19:56.400
for evaluating all
distributed energy resources
02:19:56.400 --> 02:19:58.207
as both Commissioner Shiroma
02:19:58.207 --> 02:20:00.157
and Commissioner Guzman have well said,
02:20:01.700 --> 02:20:03.710
I think the resolution ended up
02:20:03.710 --> 02:20:06.760
is in the appropriate place,
02:20:06.760 --> 02:20:08.930
and I will be indeed supporting it.
02:20:08.930 --> 02:20:11.590
So again, I thank the division staff,
02:20:11.590 --> 02:20:13.003
the energy division staff,
02:20:14.220 --> 02:20:15.800
for all their hard work.
02:20:15.800 --> 02:20:18.743
And again, thank you very
much for this presentation.
02:20:20.640 --> 02:20:23.120
Any other comments or concerns?
02:20:23.120 --> 02:20:24.740
Okay, seeing none,
02:20:24.740 --> 02:20:29.513
will the agenda clerk, please
call the roll on item three.
02:20:31.440 --> 02:20:33.530
Commissioner Houck?
02:20:33.530 --> 02:20:34.363
Yes.
02:20:35.390 --> 02:20:37.340
Commissioner Shiroma?
02:20:37.340 --> 02:20:38.930
Aye.
02:20:38.930 --> 02:20:40.980
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
02:20:40.980 --> 02:20:42.630
Yes.
02:20:42.630 --> 02:20:44.731
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
02:20:44.731 --> 02:20:46.236
Aye.
02:20:46.236 --> 02:20:47.069
President Batjer?
02:20:48.280 --> 02:20:49.740
Aye.
02:20:49.740 --> 02:20:52.710
The item three passes unanimously.
02:20:52.710 --> 02:20:54.160
Thank you very much.
02:20:54.160 --> 02:20:56.713
Moving now on to item 23,
02:20:57.560 --> 02:21:00.970
that is Commissioner
Guzman Aceves' item.
02:21:00.970 --> 02:21:05.700
Just another little reminder
about slow presentation
02:21:05.700 --> 02:21:07.710
and pause occasionally.
02:21:07.710 --> 02:21:09.220
Thank you very much.
02:21:09.220 --> 02:21:11.220
Commissioner, that wasn't
pointed directly at you,
02:21:11.220 --> 02:21:12.140
by the way Martha.
02:21:12.140 --> 02:21:14.753
That was a general
statement to everybody.
02:21:15.740 --> 02:21:17.950
Okay, thank you.
02:21:17.950 --> 02:21:21.020
Okay, thank you,
President Batjer.
02:21:21.020 --> 02:21:26.020
This PD closes out our
direct access proceeding,
02:21:26.650 --> 02:21:29.930
which was opened up a few years back
02:21:29.930 --> 02:21:34.233
to implement Senate Bill
237 by Senator Hertzberg.
02:21:36.248 --> 02:21:37.260
And as you all know,
02:21:37.260 --> 02:21:41.190
direct access is the
ability for certain customers
02:21:41.190 --> 02:21:43.640
to purchase their own power
02:21:43.640 --> 02:21:46.083
through a non utility service provider.
02:21:46.970 --> 02:21:51.970
In our previous decision
under this proceeding in 2019,
02:21:51.980 --> 02:21:55.720
we did vote to increase
the cap on direct access.
02:21:55.720 --> 02:22:00.040
That was an element
required in that statute as well.
02:22:00.040 --> 02:22:04.300
This particular decision
addresses another main requirement
02:22:04.300 --> 02:22:07.870
which asks us as a Commission
to provide a recommendation
02:22:07.870 --> 02:22:11.000
to the legislature about a schedule
02:22:11.000 --> 02:22:14.630
for reopening further direct access
02:22:14.630 --> 02:22:18.063
to all remaining
non-residential customers.
02:22:18.960 --> 02:22:21.500
It's very important to
note a couple of elements
02:22:21.500 --> 02:22:26.380
of the statute that were
required for us to consider
02:22:27.320 --> 02:22:29.390
in our recommendation.
02:22:29.390 --> 02:22:32.670
And these were the four findings
that we were asked to make.
02:22:32.670 --> 02:22:37.670
First, we had to find that the
opening would be consistent
02:22:37.940 --> 02:22:39.713
with our greenhouse gas goals.
02:22:40.580 --> 02:22:45.570
Second, that it did not
increase criteria pollutants
02:22:45.570 --> 02:22:47.753
or toxic air contaminants.
02:22:48.880 --> 02:22:53.280
Third, that we must
ensure electric reliability
02:22:54.530 --> 02:22:58.590
and forth, that it does not
cause an undue cost shift
02:22:58.590 --> 02:23:02.433
on direct access and
bundled customers, either one.
02:23:04.010 --> 02:23:07.300
Energy division had
prepared a staff report
02:23:07.300 --> 02:23:08.693
on all of these issues,
02:23:09.530 --> 02:23:13.337
and it was commented on by
many parties and revised again.
02:23:13.337 --> 02:23:16.023
I mean there has been
a lot of iteration on this.
02:23:18.410 --> 02:23:21.980
But ultimately what we
found and what is in the PD
02:23:21.980 --> 02:23:26.500
is the recommendation
against reopening direct access
02:23:26.500 --> 02:23:27.993
at this time.
02:23:29.210 --> 02:23:33.953
And foundational because we
could not make all the findings
02:23:35.130 --> 02:23:36.630
that were required of us.
02:23:36.630 --> 02:23:41.110
Most importantly, the big
one was we could not ensure
02:23:42.230 --> 02:23:47.230
that there was going
to be certainly reliability
02:23:47.490 --> 02:23:48.843
with opening this up.
02:23:50.060 --> 02:23:54.690
Can the Commission
ensure that with this reopening
02:23:54.690 --> 02:23:58.023
of low migration, there would
be that continued reliability.
02:23:59.780 --> 02:24:02.870
And not to say this is not
something that cannot continue
02:24:02.870 --> 02:24:05.490
to be explored, but with
the information before us,
02:24:05.490 --> 02:24:08.190
with the status of where
we are with our grid,
02:24:08.190 --> 02:24:09.803
we can make the finding today.
02:24:11.180 --> 02:24:12.013
As we all know,
02:24:12.013 --> 02:24:14.660
we have an unprecedented
level of procurement
02:24:14.660 --> 02:24:16.710
that is needed for both the near term
02:24:16.710 --> 02:24:18.640
that has been recently approved
02:24:18.640 --> 02:24:20.890
and then midterm that
we're looking at today.
02:24:22.230 --> 02:24:25.690
Increasing and making
greater predictability with shifts
02:24:25.690 --> 02:24:30.610
and load really does
undermine this reliability concern
02:24:30.610 --> 02:24:33.290
that we face today,
and particularly for those
02:24:33.290 --> 02:24:35.183
that require a long-term contract.
02:24:38.220 --> 02:24:43.020
I wanna just thank all the
staff that's been working on this
02:24:43.020 --> 02:24:45.160
and all of the interpretive process
02:24:45.160 --> 02:24:47.020
and dialogue that they undertook
02:24:47.020 --> 02:24:49.063
to come to this difficult decision.
02:24:50.093 --> 02:24:53.510
And most notably, I wanna
thank Dina Mackin and her team,
02:24:53.510 --> 02:24:56.470
Sasha Cole and Kathleen Blake.
02:24:56.470 --> 02:25:00.700
Our folks from legal
Mitchell Shapson in particular,
02:25:00.700 --> 02:25:02.827
my verdict partner, President Batjer
02:25:02.827 --> 02:25:05.217
and her advisor, Anand Durvasula,
02:25:06.490 --> 02:25:08.830
and of course my advisors, Maria Sotero
02:25:08.830 --> 02:25:10.770
and Kerry Fleisher.
02:25:10.770 --> 02:25:11.970
But most of all, I wanna thank
02:25:11.970 --> 02:25:14.830
the Administrative Law
Judge Jeanne McKinney,
02:25:14.830 --> 02:25:18.050
for her commitment
on many of these issues
02:25:18.050 --> 02:25:20.400
and the difficult findings
that we had to make.
02:25:21.630 --> 02:25:23.373
With that, I ask for your support.
02:25:24.870 --> 02:25:27.000
Thank you very
much, Commissioner.
02:25:27.000 --> 02:25:29.080
Are there any questions
or thoughts or comments
02:25:29.080 --> 02:25:32.660
that you wish to make at
this time, Commissioners
02:25:32.660 --> 02:25:35.003
on item number 23?
02:25:38.020 --> 02:25:42.558
Okay, seeing none I just
want to add my thanks to-
02:25:42.558 --> 02:25:44.160
President Batjer?
Yes.
02:25:44.160 --> 02:25:46.581
I think Commissioner Houck
wanted to say something.
02:25:46.581 --> 02:25:48.470
Oh, I'm sorry, I could
not see your hands.
02:25:48.470 --> 02:25:49.820
Please, Commissioner Houck.
02:25:50.700 --> 02:25:54.290
Just briefly, I wanted to thank
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
02:25:54.290 --> 02:25:57.140
and Judge McKinney for all their work
02:25:57.140 --> 02:25:59.700
on this matter, embracing my office.
02:25:59.700 --> 02:26:03.790
I do understand the complexities of this
02:26:03.790 --> 02:26:07.450
and having to look at
the situation as a whole
02:26:07.450 --> 02:26:09.840
with all of the ESPN.
02:26:09.840 --> 02:26:11.790
I do think this issue at some point
02:26:11.790 --> 02:26:14.410
is gonna be back before us again.
02:26:14.410 --> 02:26:18.780
And I would just ask
that we consider looking at
02:26:19.730 --> 02:26:21.870
whether there's a way to separate out
02:26:21.870 --> 02:26:25.780
some of the energy service
providers, such as UC and CSU
02:26:25.780 --> 02:26:28.700
that do have aggressive greenhouse gas
02:26:28.700 --> 02:26:30.510
emission reduction goals
02:26:30.510 --> 02:26:35.450
to try and reach 100%
zero emissions by 2025.
02:26:36.340 --> 02:26:39.450
To see if there are certain providers
02:26:39.450 --> 02:26:41.350
that could meet those four criteria
02:26:41.350 --> 02:26:46.313
as we go forward and
continue to look at this issue.
02:26:47.640 --> 02:26:50.040
So with that, I will be
supporting the decision.
02:26:51.300 --> 02:26:52.820
Thank you, excellent point.
02:26:52.820 --> 02:26:54.420
Thank you for making that point.
02:26:55.820 --> 02:26:58.800
Again, I wanna thank
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
02:26:58.800 --> 02:27:02.900
and her terrific staff for
working so hard on this,
02:27:02.900 --> 02:27:05.483
and as has been mentioned,
02:27:06.370 --> 02:27:10.843
ALJ McKinney and Mitchell Shapson
02:27:10.843 --> 02:27:12.420
of the legal division,
02:27:12.420 --> 02:27:15.640
and of course the fantastic
energy division teams
02:27:15.640 --> 02:27:19.640
of Kathleen Blake,
Sasha Cole, Dina Mackin.
02:27:19.640 --> 02:27:22.750
And, as you had said, Martha,
02:27:22.750 --> 02:27:24.930
my own wonderful, superb,,
02:27:24.930 --> 02:27:28.070
unbelievable adviser, Anand Durvasula.
02:27:29.510 --> 02:27:31.090
So thank you.
02:27:31.090 --> 02:27:33.873
A lot of hard work and I
appreciate it very much,
02:27:35.360 --> 02:27:37.180
and so thank you all.
02:27:38.250 --> 02:27:41.030
Okay, any other comments or thoughts?
02:27:41.030 --> 02:27:42.820
Seeing none, will the agenda clerk,
02:27:42.820 --> 02:27:45.963
please call the roll on item 23.
02:27:47.350 --> 02:27:49.222
Commissioner Houck?
02:27:49.222 --> 02:27:51.234
Yes.
02:27:51.234 --> 02:27:53.401
Commissioner Shiroma?
02:27:53.401 --> 02:27:54.914
Aye.
02:27:54.914 --> 02:27:57.290
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
02:27:57.290 --> 02:27:58.926
Yes.
02:27:58.926 --> 02:28:01.051
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
02:28:01.051 --> 02:28:02.569
Aye.
02:28:02.569 --> 02:28:04.688
President Batjer?
02:28:04.688 --> 02:28:05.920
Aye.
02:28:05.920 --> 02:28:10.130
The item number 23 passes unanimously.
02:28:10.130 --> 02:28:11.640
Thank you all very much.
02:28:11.640 --> 02:28:14.723
I will be introducing item 25.
02:28:15.710 --> 02:28:17.800
While I will keep my comments brief,
02:28:17.800 --> 02:28:21.380
this item is nevertheless
very important.
02:28:21.380 --> 02:28:24.600
This proposed decision
adopts additional guidance
02:28:24.600 --> 02:28:26.870
for the investor owned utilities
02:28:26.870 --> 02:28:31.060
aimed to improve their
planning and execution
02:28:31.060 --> 02:28:34.643
of their public safety
power shut off events.
02:28:36.100 --> 02:28:38.810
A loss of power means loss of income,
02:28:38.810 --> 02:28:43.420
loss of a day or more of
learning and fear and uncertainty
02:28:43.420 --> 02:28:45.480
for those who rely on power
02:28:45.480 --> 02:28:48.890
to sustain life supporting
medical devices,
02:28:48.890 --> 02:28:53.890
thus the decision by a
utility to initiate a PSPS event
02:28:55.950 --> 02:29:00.223
must always be a measure of last resort.
02:29:01.600 --> 02:29:06.310
With that understanding, these
adjustments to the guidelines
02:29:06.310 --> 02:29:08.370
are focused on ensuring
02:29:08.370 --> 02:29:12.050
that the utilities provide
proper advanced notice
02:29:12.050 --> 02:29:15.700
of DSPS events and mitigate impacts
02:29:15.700 --> 02:29:17.880
to the greatest extent possible
02:29:17.880 --> 02:29:22.863
if, and when they determine
they must indeed call an event.
02:29:23.930 --> 02:29:26.820
There are numerous specific
adjustments we have made
02:29:26.820 --> 02:29:28.130
to the guidelines,
02:29:28.130 --> 02:29:32.653
but overall, they are focused
on improvement in two areas,
02:29:33.520 --> 02:29:37.390
ensuring utilities are
continually improving planning,
02:29:37.390 --> 02:29:41.910
preparation, and access to
resources during PSPS events
02:29:43.380 --> 02:29:47.300
and requiring utilities
to better notify access
02:29:47.300 --> 02:29:52.300
and functional leads customers
and vulnerable populations,
02:29:52.860 --> 02:29:56.603
and minimize the impacts
of PSPS events on them.
02:29:58.420 --> 02:30:01.750
With that, I would like to
thank the many stakeholders
02:30:01.750 --> 02:30:05.580
and impacted communities
for their feedback,
02:30:05.580 --> 02:30:08.433
which informed many of
the adjustments this year.
02:30:09.590 --> 02:30:13.960
And of course I wan to thank
the Administrative Law Judges
02:30:13.960 --> 02:30:17.400
who work so quickly
and thoroughly, thoroughly
02:30:17.400 --> 02:30:18.713
on these guidelines,
02:30:20.390 --> 02:30:23.680
Valerie Kao and Regina DeAngelis
02:30:25.314 --> 02:30:27.000
worked so very hard
02:30:27.000 --> 02:30:30.210
and compiled a proposed decision
02:30:30.210 --> 02:30:33.513
of many, many pages as you all know.
02:30:34.530 --> 02:30:38.600
I would also like to thank Shelby
Chaste and Antony Knowles
02:30:38.600 --> 02:30:41.910
in the Safety and Enforcement Division.
02:30:41.910 --> 02:30:46.490
And Kim Chin Jim Chu, David van Dyken
02:30:46.490 --> 02:30:48.770
in the Safety Policy Division,
02:30:48.770 --> 02:30:51.240
Nathan Pun and Kevin Miller
02:30:51.240 --> 02:30:54.340
in the Wildfire Safety Division.
02:30:54.340 --> 02:30:58.210
Matt Yugavicic in legal,
02:30:58.210 --> 02:31:00.690
and Marianne Davina and Julie Lang
02:31:00.690 --> 02:31:04.803
in our ALJ unit for their support.
02:31:06.030 --> 02:31:08.750
I especially want to thank
02:31:08.750 --> 02:31:12.120
my unbelievable Begley King partner
02:31:13.931 --> 02:31:17.160
on this proceeding,
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
02:31:17.160 --> 02:31:21.600
and his staff Shawn
Simon for their collaboration
02:31:21.600 --> 02:31:23.750
and always great insights.
02:31:23.750 --> 02:31:24.743
And finally,
02:31:25.800 --> 02:31:27.490
and most sincerely,
02:31:27.490 --> 02:31:31.180
I would like to thank my
advisor, Nora Hawkins
02:31:31.180 --> 02:31:35.500
and my unbelievable Chief
of Staff, Shannon O'Rourke
02:31:35.500 --> 02:31:36.990
for their hard work.
02:31:36.990 --> 02:31:39.960
And with that, I ask my
fellow Commissioners
02:31:39.960 --> 02:31:41.930
for your support.
02:31:41.930 --> 02:31:42.763
Thank you.
02:31:44.110 --> 02:31:45.080
Are there any...
02:31:45.080 --> 02:31:48.470
Yes, Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:31:48.470 --> 02:31:52.770
I wanna add my thanks
to the judges in our team
02:31:52.770 --> 02:31:55.310
working so hard on these issues
02:31:55.310 --> 02:31:59.220
and to you President
Batjer for your leadership,
02:31:59.220 --> 02:32:01.500
as well as the work of Nora Hawkins
02:32:01.500 --> 02:32:05.910
and Shannon O'Rourke
you're terrific advisers.
02:32:05.910 --> 02:32:09.130
I really think that you,
along with the Safety
02:32:09.130 --> 02:32:12.260
and Enforcement Division,
Wildfire Safety Division
02:32:12.260 --> 02:32:16.170
and Executive Director Peterson
02:32:16.170 --> 02:32:20.010
has kept a laser light
focus on this issue
02:32:20.890 --> 02:32:23.620
and on what the IOUs are doing.
02:32:23.620 --> 02:32:27.583
And I think as a result of
that intense focus and scrutiny,
02:32:28.470 --> 02:32:32.483
we've significantly improved
their PSPS practices.
02:32:33.420 --> 02:32:37.400
Even as there's considerable
room for improvement,
02:32:37.400 --> 02:32:39.410
quite considerable room,
02:32:39.410 --> 02:32:44.203
I think the focus has really
resulted in better results.
02:32:45.560 --> 02:32:49.580
As you noted, there are important things
02:32:49.580 --> 02:32:51.640
that they need to continue to do
02:32:52.580 --> 02:32:54.400
as they harden their systems,
02:32:54.400 --> 02:32:57.737
as they reduce the need for PSPS
02:32:57.737 --> 02:32:59.800
and as we hold them accountable
02:32:59.800 --> 02:33:04.140
to reaching those lower PSPS targets,
02:33:04.140 --> 02:33:07.780
they need to continue to
effectively communicate
02:33:07.780 --> 02:33:09.123
with their customers,
02:33:10.480 --> 02:33:12.440
especially the most vulnerable ones.
02:33:12.440 --> 02:33:16.960
Provide them with accurate
information, backup batteries,
02:33:16.960 --> 02:33:18.950
community resource centers,
02:33:18.950 --> 02:33:22.160
and also effectively
communicate with their local state
02:33:22.160 --> 02:33:24.460
and tribal partners.
02:33:24.460 --> 02:33:27.780
Those are ongoing
needs, they're critical,
02:33:27.780 --> 02:33:32.320
no matter what level
of PSPS events we see.
02:33:32.320 --> 02:33:36.280
I take this excellent decision
reinforces those principles
02:33:36.280 --> 02:33:38.970
with the very clear
guidelines that you outlined,
02:33:38.970 --> 02:33:41.463
and I will be supporting this decision.
02:33:42.650 --> 02:33:45.294
Thank you very much
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:33:45.294 --> 02:33:48.790
Is there any other comments
or questions on item 25?
02:33:48.790 --> 02:33:50.423
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma?
02:33:52.990 --> 02:33:56.190
Thank you, President Batjer
for your leadership on this
02:33:56.190 --> 02:34:00.170
and for the team at the CPUC
02:34:00.170 --> 02:34:03.763
that have worked very
hard and very excellently.
02:34:04.930 --> 02:34:07.760
We Commissioners, we're provided,
02:34:07.760 --> 02:34:10.180
any number of opportunities
02:34:10.180 --> 02:34:14.450
to participate in a public workshop
02:34:15.290 --> 02:34:19.980
on this topic of public
safety power shut off.
02:34:19.980 --> 02:34:24.980
Where the utilities were
brought in to talk about
02:34:25.260 --> 02:34:27.870
what they had done,
what lessons were learned,
02:34:27.870 --> 02:34:29.520
what else did they need to do?
02:34:29.520 --> 02:34:31.043
What are the best practices?
02:34:32.090 --> 02:34:37.090
And this proposal today
reflects all of that good work.
02:34:38.750 --> 02:34:43.010
Because as we said,
it is a tool of last resort,
02:34:43.010 --> 02:34:47.730
it has a very big impact on
the customers of California,
02:34:47.730 --> 02:34:52.700
even as it is a tool
towards preventing wildfires,
02:34:52.700 --> 02:34:56.400
it has a tremendous impact
on people's quality of life.
02:34:56.400 --> 02:35:00.240
And we learned, especially
through the 2019 season
02:35:00.240 --> 02:35:04.773
the lack of resources for
those who were without power.
02:35:07.340 --> 02:35:09.920
The best practices, the engagement
02:35:09.920 --> 02:35:12.340
of local and tribal governments
02:35:12.340 --> 02:35:14.740
and community based organizations,
02:35:14.740 --> 02:35:19.740
all of that should provide
for a much better tool in place
02:35:20.430 --> 02:35:24.410
for the feature for customers
to know what to expect
02:35:24.410 --> 02:35:26.720
and ultimately to really look after
02:35:26.720 --> 02:35:30.890
our most vulnerable
customers in California,
02:35:30.890 --> 02:35:34.130
including the medical
baseline customers.
02:35:34.130 --> 02:35:35.060
So thank you for the work
02:35:35.060 --> 02:35:38.950
and I will be supporting
this proposal, thank you.
02:35:38.950 --> 02:35:39.980
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:35:39.980 --> 02:35:41.063
Commissioner Houck.
02:35:42.630 --> 02:35:44.370
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:35:44.370 --> 02:35:49.370
I want to thank your office
and ALJs Kao and DeAngelis
02:35:50.690 --> 02:35:54.300
for the excellent job on this decision.
02:35:54.300 --> 02:35:55.440
It was a lot of work.
02:35:55.440 --> 02:35:56.860
It's a very important decision.
02:35:56.860 --> 02:35:59.810
And I concur with all of the statements
02:35:59.810 --> 02:36:01.950
of my fellow Commissioners
02:36:03.560 --> 02:36:05.750
and I support the PD.
02:36:05.750 --> 02:36:09.860
Particularly its intent
to facilitate compliance
02:36:09.860 --> 02:36:11.810
by our Safety and Enforcement division
02:36:11.810 --> 02:36:13.770
as the next step in the proceeding.
02:36:13.770 --> 02:36:16.100
And I would just encourage our Safety
02:36:16.100 --> 02:36:17.150
and Enforcement divisions
02:36:17.150 --> 02:36:19.680
to work with our executive director
02:36:19.680 --> 02:36:22.010
to assess and make any recommendations
02:36:22.010 --> 02:36:25.370
as to whether there are
portions of these guidelines
02:36:25.370 --> 02:36:28.720
that could be conducive to
either our citation program
02:36:28.720 --> 02:36:33.130
or could be enforced through
our existing citation program,
02:36:33.130 --> 02:36:35.770
given the importance of
the need for notification
02:36:35.770 --> 02:36:36.870
in local communities.
02:36:36.870 --> 02:36:40.030
And again, will be
supporting this decision
02:36:40.030 --> 02:36:42.023
and thank you for the great work on it.
02:36:55.850 --> 02:36:58.870
Sorry I was on mute.
02:36:58.870 --> 02:37:00.440
Thank you, seeing no other comments
02:37:00.440 --> 02:37:04.377
will the agenda clerk please
call the roll on item 25 .
02:37:05.370 --> 02:37:07.202
Commissioner Houck?
02:37:07.202 --> 02:37:08.749
Yes.
02:37:08.749 --> 02:37:10.781
Commissioner Shiroma?
02:37:10.781 --> 02:37:11.614
Aye.
02:37:12.558 --> 02:37:14.604
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
02:37:14.604 --> 02:37:16.295
Yes.
02:37:16.295 --> 02:37:18.490
Commissioner Guzman Acevez?
02:37:18.490 --> 02:37:20.045
Aye.
02:37:20.045 --> 02:37:22.295
President Batjer.
02:37:26.047 --> 02:37:28.087
You're muted President Batjer.
02:37:32.360 --> 02:37:33.223
Thank you.
02:37:33.223 --> 02:37:34.640
(chuckles)
02:37:34.640 --> 02:37:39.640
Okay, the vote on item 25 is unanimous.
02:37:39.720 --> 02:37:40.940
Thank you all.
02:37:40.940 --> 02:37:44.050
Now, moving on to item 26,
02:37:44.050 --> 02:37:48.690
which will be presented by
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:37:48.690 --> 02:37:49.920
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:37:49.920 --> 02:37:54.920
Item 26 is a mid-term
energy procurement decision
02:37:54.980 --> 02:37:55.813
that comes out
02:37:55.813 --> 02:37:59.161
of our integrated resource
planning proceeding.
02:37:59.161 --> 02:38:01.197
We heard a number of public
comment there was about it,
02:38:01.197 --> 02:38:04.310
and Commissioner
Guzman Acevez referenced it
02:38:04.310 --> 02:38:06.880
just a moment ago.
02:38:06.880 --> 02:38:08.410
I'm supporting this decision.
02:38:08.410 --> 02:38:10.500
And as I'll explain, given the revisions
02:38:10.500 --> 02:38:13.950
that have been made, I've
withdrawn the alternate decision
02:38:13.950 --> 02:38:18.830
that I had circulated
earlier this month.
02:38:18.830 --> 02:38:22.730
This is the result of a
tremendous amount of staff work
02:38:22.730 --> 02:38:25.890
as well as a lot of
inter-agency coordination
02:38:25.890 --> 02:38:27.900
with our sister agencies,
02:38:27.900 --> 02:38:30.930
the Energy Commission
and the Air Resources Board,
02:38:30.930 --> 02:38:35.370
there's been a tremendous
amount of party interest.
02:38:35.370 --> 02:38:39.970
In this case, we had over
50 parties, filing comments.
02:38:39.970 --> 02:38:42.560
We had over 40 parties participating
02:38:42.560 --> 02:38:45.620
in the all party meeting
we had last week.
02:38:45.620 --> 02:38:48.970
I wanna especially thank
the people who called in today
02:38:48.970 --> 02:38:50.430
and who've been calling in steadily
02:38:50.430 --> 02:38:52.953
over the past few meetings.
02:38:54.940 --> 02:38:57.730
This is a land mark decision.
02:38:57.730 --> 02:39:02.730
I don't think it's hyperbole
to describe it as such.
02:39:03.870 --> 02:39:07.920
We are directing the
various load serving entities
02:39:07.920 --> 02:39:12.920
to procure what is an
unprecedented amount
02:39:13.070 --> 02:39:18.070
of new clean energy
resources, 11,000 megawatts.
02:39:18.510 --> 02:39:20.580
These will come online in
the middle of the decade,
02:39:20.580 --> 02:39:23.120
that's why we're turning
it a midterm decision
02:39:23.120 --> 02:39:27.210
between 2023 and 2026.
02:39:27.210 --> 02:39:29.640
Just to give you a sense of the scale.
02:39:29.640 --> 02:39:31.890
This is enough to power
02:39:31.890 --> 02:39:35.850
about two and a half million
households in the state.
02:39:35.850 --> 02:39:38.370
And all of it will be
coming from renewable
02:39:38.370 --> 02:39:40.183
or zero emitting resources.
02:39:42.430 --> 02:39:44.900
These resources, we need them to respond
02:39:44.900 --> 02:39:49.340
to the change in climate and to
more extreme weather events,
02:39:49.340 --> 02:39:51.660
such as the one we saw last summer,
02:39:51.660 --> 02:39:53.510
and we're gonna continue to see.
02:39:53.510 --> 02:39:57.780
We needed to respond
to the changing grid.
02:39:57.780 --> 02:40:01.090
There are multiple gas
plants that are retiring
02:40:01.090 --> 02:40:03.620
for environmental and other reasons.
02:40:03.620 --> 02:40:06.610
PG&E, Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant,
02:40:06.610 --> 02:40:10.480
a very large plant and a
large source of energy capacity
02:40:10.480 --> 02:40:14.070
is also retiring as a result
of PG&E's voluntary decision
02:40:14.070 --> 02:40:18.913
not to seek a new order
that it's licensed to operate.
02:40:20.140 --> 02:40:22.340
I wanna highlight a few key changes
02:40:22.340 --> 02:40:24.880
from what was originally proposed
02:40:24.880 --> 02:40:27.173
in the propose decision
and the alternate.
02:40:28.040 --> 02:40:31.740
Those decisions had
mandated a limited amount
02:40:33.220 --> 02:40:37.460
ranging from 500 to 1500 megawatts
02:40:37.460 --> 02:40:40.150
from efficiency
improvements and upgrades
02:40:40.150 --> 02:40:42.670
at existing gas plants.
02:40:42.670 --> 02:40:45.043
None of that was from
any new gas plants,
02:40:45.990 --> 02:40:48.160
but there was an authorization
02:40:48.160 --> 02:40:51.320
or a mandate at existing plants.
02:40:51.320 --> 02:40:52.840
There were limits and restrictions
02:40:52.840 --> 02:40:55.100
and disadvantaged communities
02:40:55.100 --> 02:40:57.880
and an encouragement
for innovative technology,
02:40:57.880 --> 02:41:01.170
such as green hydrogen to replace
02:41:01.170 --> 02:41:03.090
the existing source of gas
02:41:04.644 --> 02:41:06.750
in some of these gas plants.
02:41:06.750 --> 02:41:10.290
As you've heard, we received
a lot of critical comments
02:41:10.290 --> 02:41:11.940
arguing that we hadn't demonstrated
02:41:11.940 --> 02:41:16.060
the need for the gas
procurement to ensure liability.
02:41:16.060 --> 02:41:18.020
Others said we hadn't documented
02:41:18.020 --> 02:41:19.940
the specific amounts of megawatts
02:41:19.940 --> 02:41:22.633
that were needed to
provide that margin of safety.
02:41:23.900 --> 02:41:26.920
The revised PD that
we're voting on today
02:41:26.920 --> 02:41:31.920
removes the requirement to
procure any fossil resources.
02:41:32.020 --> 02:41:34.460
And instead, our staff
02:41:35.310 --> 02:41:38.080
will work with the
Energy Commission staff
02:41:38.080 --> 02:41:42.580
to conduct additional analysis
over the next few months
02:41:42.580 --> 02:41:45.510
about the need for fossil resources
02:41:45.510 --> 02:41:47.620
for reliability purposes.
02:41:47.620 --> 02:41:50.610
What do we need, what
amounts do we need,
02:41:50.610 --> 02:41:54.580
what's a more granular
analysis of this question?
02:41:54.580 --> 02:41:57.440
And the results of this
analysis from our staff
02:41:57.440 --> 02:41:59.210
and the energy Commission
02:41:59.210 --> 02:42:02.700
will help inform our next
procurement decision,
02:42:02.700 --> 02:42:07.700
which we will debate
about later this year.
02:42:07.800 --> 02:42:09.730
So we will have another
procurement decision
02:42:09.730 --> 02:42:11.100
later this year,
02:42:11.100 --> 02:42:15.250
we will also be addressing
the preferred system portfolio
02:42:15.250 --> 02:42:16.810
that we'll be ordering
02:42:16.810 --> 02:42:19.960
based on individual
integrated resource plans
02:42:19.960 --> 02:42:22.930
that all of the load serving entities
02:42:22.930 --> 02:42:25.410
will file this September.
02:42:25.410 --> 02:42:27.640
So again, that's our
plan for later this year
02:42:27.640 --> 02:42:28.480
in other decision
02:42:28.480 --> 02:42:31.590
that we'll deal with
these procurement issues.
02:42:31.590 --> 02:42:34.963
And that's why I'm
withdrawing my alternate.
02:42:35.910 --> 02:42:40.910
Because we're not ordering
any fossil resources at all,
02:42:40.910 --> 02:42:44.540
we are likewise differing issues
02:42:44.540 --> 02:42:48.280
that have come up and a lot
of parties commented about
02:42:48.280 --> 02:42:49.990
what the proper definition
02:42:49.990 --> 02:42:54.240
of eligible green hydrogen
resources should be.
02:42:54.240 --> 02:42:56.070
Again, those issues will be addressed
02:42:56.070 --> 02:42:59.780
in a subsequent decision.
02:42:59.780 --> 02:43:01.343
Then finally,
02:43:02.290 --> 02:43:06.510
the revised decision provides
and I'm gonna quote here
02:43:06.510 --> 02:43:08.180
that in our planning track,
02:43:08.180 --> 02:43:10.393
we have a planning
track of the proceeding.
02:43:11.370 --> 02:43:15.850
We're gonna explore
and continue to explore
02:43:15.850 --> 02:43:20.160
coordinated planning
for resource build out
02:43:20.160 --> 02:43:21.800
and resource retirement
02:43:22.950 --> 02:43:27.950
to inform an orderly and
equitable path to SB 100 goals,
02:43:28.660 --> 02:43:32.510
which of course SBE 100
requires 100% clean electricity
02:43:32.510 --> 02:43:33.770
by 2045.
02:43:33.770 --> 02:43:37.500
So we had a plan for an
orderly and equitable path
02:43:37.500 --> 02:43:39.300
to get to those goals,
02:43:39.300 --> 02:43:43.310
optimizing for
greenhouse gas reductions,
02:43:43.310 --> 02:43:45.870
reliability, and costs.
02:43:45.870 --> 02:43:48.640
So we're committed to
this process going forward
02:43:49.480 --> 02:43:50.423
in this order.
02:43:51.820 --> 02:43:56.300
Also in response to comments
from a number of parties,
02:43:56.300 --> 02:44:00.240
we revised the timing of
some of the procurements.
02:44:00.240 --> 02:44:04.910
Some of it's been
moved from 2023 to 2024
02:44:06.220 --> 02:44:09.310
that we'll still meet
our reliability needs,
02:44:09.310 --> 02:44:10.730
but it will do so in a way
02:44:10.730 --> 02:44:14.450
that should not cause unnecessary costs
02:44:14.450 --> 02:44:17.830
and is a little bit, perhaps
a little bit more realistic
02:44:17.830 --> 02:44:21.840
to what can come on
in that earlier timeframe.
02:44:21.840 --> 02:44:26.020
We may clear in the
decision that demand side
02:44:26.020 --> 02:44:30.373
or distributed energy
resources can count toward
02:44:31.450 --> 02:44:35.660
the procurement
requirements in the decision,
02:44:35.660 --> 02:44:37.010
so long as they're incremental,
02:44:37.010 --> 02:44:38.470
so long as they're new resources.
02:44:38.470 --> 02:44:41.800
Demand side resources,
distributed energy resources,
02:44:41.800 --> 02:44:44.003
absolutely can count.
02:44:46.760 --> 02:44:50.830
Just summarizing the other
key elements of the decision.
02:44:50.830 --> 02:44:55.830
As I mentioned it, the overall
orders 11,500 megawatts.
02:44:58.460 --> 02:45:00.200
That is at the upper end
02:45:00.200 --> 02:45:03.900
of what our modeling
showed was the potential need
02:45:03.900 --> 02:45:05.523
in this midterm period.
02:45:06.520 --> 02:45:09.930
But we wanted to build
in a buffer for uncertainty,
02:45:09.930 --> 02:45:12.900
and that's why we
chose the higher level.
02:45:12.900 --> 02:45:15.560
This is consistent with
the recommendation
02:45:15.560 --> 02:45:18.673
of independent system operator, CALISO.
02:45:19.920 --> 02:45:23.150
It also allows for things
like 800 megawatts
02:45:23.150 --> 02:45:25.130
of unanticipated retirements
02:45:25.130 --> 02:45:27.080
that builds in that uncertainty factor.
02:45:28.180 --> 02:45:31.270
The procurement is allocated equitably
02:45:31.270 --> 02:45:33.780
to various load serving entities
02:45:33.780 --> 02:45:37.670
based on the customer's
electricity demand,
02:45:37.670 --> 02:45:41.450
basically on the load of
those load serving entities.
02:45:41.450 --> 02:45:43.580
And we think this is the best solution
02:45:44.520 --> 02:45:49.520
for promoting both accountability
and procurement autonomy.
02:45:51.300 --> 02:45:56.300
The decision orders that
at least 2,500 megawatts
02:45:57.610 --> 02:46:01.590
of zero emitting resources
be procured specifically
02:46:01.590 --> 02:46:05.630
to replace the generation
from the Diablo Canyon
02:46:05.630 --> 02:46:07.173
that we're losing.
02:46:08.070 --> 02:46:10.683
And just to be precise,
02:46:12.230 --> 02:46:15.980
these resources must be online by 2025
02:46:15.980 --> 02:46:18.450
and they must include generation.
02:46:18.450 --> 02:46:20.860
It could be generation
paired with storage
02:46:20.860 --> 02:46:23.083
or demand response resources,
02:46:24.612 --> 02:46:28.550
but it has to be able
to deliver continuously
02:46:28.550 --> 02:46:31.850
during the evening ramp
period when solar goes online.
02:46:31.850 --> 02:46:36.850
So that's directly replacing
what we lost with Diablo.
02:46:36.880 --> 02:46:40.210
We also direct procurement
of 2000 megawatts
02:46:40.210 --> 02:46:45.210
of clean resources with
specific operational capabilities
02:46:45.610 --> 02:46:49.070
that give us important
reliability attributes.
02:46:49.070 --> 02:46:50.650
We refer to them in the decision
02:46:50.650 --> 02:46:52.490
as long lead time resources.
02:46:52.490 --> 02:46:56.470
Is it been somewhat elusive
in past procurement efforts
02:46:56.470 --> 02:47:00.460
that we tried to make more
explicit what we're looking for.
02:47:00.460 --> 02:47:02.390
The first is 1000 megawatts
02:47:02.390 --> 02:47:05.510
of long duration storage resources
02:47:05.510 --> 02:47:08.340
that can generate at maximum capacity
02:47:08.340 --> 02:47:12.350
for at least eight hours
from a single resource.
02:47:12.350 --> 02:47:15.040
And the second is 1000 megawatts
02:47:15.040 --> 02:47:18.090
of renewable energy generation resources
02:47:18.090 --> 02:47:23.090
that has at least an
80% capacity factor.
02:47:24.460 --> 02:47:28.480
And what that means is that
these generating resources
02:47:28.480 --> 02:47:33.480
can produce electricity
about at least 80% of the hours
02:47:33.680 --> 02:47:35.180
throughout the year.
02:47:35.180 --> 02:47:38.650
And they are available continuously
02:47:38.650 --> 02:47:40.530
during our evening peak period.
02:47:40.530 --> 02:47:44.413
Again, that's the key
reliability period for us.
02:47:45.610 --> 02:47:48.090
The most likely resources
that will be eligible
02:47:48.090 --> 02:47:50.270
as the decision indicates
02:47:50.270 --> 02:47:54.270
to satisfy this 1000 megawatt bucket,
02:47:54.270 --> 02:47:57.763
are geothermal resources
and bio resources,
02:47:58.640 --> 02:48:00.470
biomass resources.
02:48:00.470 --> 02:48:04.070
And then two other things,
02:48:04.070 --> 02:48:07.960
the decision has reporting
and enforcement provisions,
02:48:07.960 --> 02:48:09.920
and it establishes the process
02:48:09.920 --> 02:48:14.460
for so-called backstop
procurement by the investor
02:48:14.460 --> 02:48:18.780
on utilities for any community
choice aggregation district
02:48:18.780 --> 02:48:21.920
or energy service provider that has...
02:48:21.920 --> 02:48:24.620
Electricity service provider, excuse me,
02:48:24.620 --> 02:48:27.620
that has not moved
ahead with its allocated
02:48:27.620 --> 02:48:30.973
amount of procurement
in a timely manner.
02:48:31.810 --> 02:48:33.950
Finally, the decision allows
02:48:33.950 --> 02:48:36.860
utility owned resources to qualify
02:48:36.860 --> 02:48:40.040
if the utility can
demonstrate reasonableness
02:48:40.040 --> 02:48:42.713
compared to independent
project developers.
02:48:44.672 --> 02:48:46.830
Those projects will
have to come before us
02:48:47.900 --> 02:48:49.343
via an application.
02:48:52.387 --> 02:48:54.853
That's the gist of the decision.
02:48:56.550 --> 02:49:00.280
In thinking about this
just like all of our decisions
02:49:00.280 --> 02:49:02.040
that we vote on,
02:49:02.040 --> 02:49:07.040
there's a very strong expert
team of judges and staff
02:49:11.152 --> 02:49:12.960
that put this together.
02:49:12.960 --> 02:49:16.270
This decision is
absolutely no exception.
02:49:16.270 --> 02:49:18.580
I wanna thank everybody
who's been involved in this.
02:49:18.580 --> 02:49:23.130
I want to start with our
superstar Judge, Julie Fitch,
02:49:23.130 --> 02:49:27.910
amazingly efficient and
productive, Nathan Barsick,
02:49:27.910 --> 02:49:31.950
who supervises our
really talented IRP team,
02:49:31.950 --> 02:49:33.960
that includes Neil Rouson,
02:49:33.960 --> 02:49:37.753
Lauren Riza, James
McGarry, Caroline Mislanka,
02:49:38.900 --> 02:49:42.240
Ali Ashari, Ash Roggie,
02:49:42.240 --> 02:49:44.213
Jared Ferguson and David Withrow.
02:49:46.570 --> 02:49:50.670
We also benefited from
technical rigor and analysis
02:49:50.670 --> 02:49:52.770
from Donald Brooks, Michelle Ketone,
02:49:52.770 --> 02:49:57.010
Dina Mackin, Sasha
Cola, and Travis Alycia.
02:49:57.010 --> 02:49:59.250
Energy Division Management guidance
02:49:59.250 --> 02:50:02.340
from Molly Sterkel,
Simon Baker, Pete Skala,
02:50:02.340 --> 02:50:04.280
and Ed Randolph.
02:50:04.280 --> 02:50:06.010
I want to express a huge thanks
02:50:06.010 --> 02:50:08.990
to my Begley King
partner, President Batjer
02:50:08.990 --> 02:50:11.010
and our Chief of Staff, Shannon O'Rourke
02:50:11.010 --> 02:50:13.477
and her advisor Anand Durvasula.
02:50:16.139 --> 02:50:18.350
I greatly benefited
from the partnership.
02:50:18.350 --> 02:50:20.620
President Batjer made
this decision stronger,
02:50:20.620 --> 02:50:23.113
and more rigorous and more thorough.
02:50:23.113 --> 02:50:25.500
I very much appreciate our partnership.
02:50:25.500 --> 02:50:28.830
And I wanna thank my three advisors
02:50:28.830 --> 02:50:32.170
who worked on this Yuliya
Schmidt, Sandy Goldberg,
02:50:32.170 --> 02:50:33.490
and Sean Simon.
02:50:33.490 --> 02:50:36.193
So with that, I ask for your support.
02:50:38.850 --> 02:50:42.270
Thank you for that
very thorough and helpful
02:50:44.103 --> 02:50:48.593
and comprehensive review
of the proposed decision.
02:50:49.936 --> 02:50:53.117
And I want to thank you
Commissioner Rechtschaffen,
02:50:53.117 --> 02:50:55.420
for your tremendous leadership
02:50:55.420 --> 02:51:00.340
and incredible hard work
on this extremely important
02:51:00.340 --> 02:51:04.903
and as you, well-stated
landmark decision and proceeding.
02:51:06.460 --> 02:51:08.637
You've worked very, very
hard over the last few months,
02:51:08.637 --> 02:51:11.060
and I know you've had
some sleepless nights,
02:51:11.060 --> 02:51:13.010
as you and I have shared those stories.
02:51:13.850 --> 02:51:16.160
At the outset I want to recognize
02:51:16.160 --> 02:51:19.460
how significant indeed
the procurement order
02:51:19.460 --> 02:51:21.070
in this decision is.
02:51:21.070 --> 02:51:25.490
We are ordering as you have
well-stated 11,500 megawatts
02:51:25.490 --> 02:51:28.290
of new electricity resources
02:51:28.290 --> 02:51:31.610
structured coming from
the preferred resources,
02:51:31.610 --> 02:51:34.010
such as pivoted energy resources,
02:51:34.010 --> 02:51:37.140
renewables, and zero emitting resources
02:51:37.140 --> 02:51:39.610
or sources as you had well outlined.
02:51:39.610 --> 02:51:42.650
The decision votes moves us closer
02:51:42.650 --> 02:51:47.157
to meeting the state goal of
100% clean energy by 2045
02:51:48.640 --> 02:51:53.640
and responds to our reliability
concerns between 23 and 26.
02:51:54.280 --> 02:51:57.300
As we seek to replace
to capacity retiring
02:51:57.300 --> 02:51:58.690
from Diablo Canyon
02:51:58.690 --> 02:52:01.683
as well as several thermal power plants,
02:52:03.050 --> 02:52:04.590
compliance, excuse me,
02:52:04.590 --> 02:52:07.593
the once through cooling
regulations of the water board.
02:52:08.980 --> 02:52:10.360
In terms of reliability,
02:52:10.360 --> 02:52:14.210
I see this decision as a starting point,
02:52:14.210 --> 02:52:16.760
as we consider what resources we need
02:52:16.760 --> 02:52:19.400
to ensure that all load serving entities
02:52:19.400 --> 02:52:24.140
in our jurisdiction are featuring
sufficient new resources
02:52:24.140 --> 02:52:29.140
to meet increased demand
resulting from extreme heat events
02:52:29.190 --> 02:52:33.470
caused by climate change
and the increased electrification
02:52:33.470 --> 02:52:35.863
of our transportation
and building sectors.
02:52:37.561 --> 02:52:39.470
To that end, I am very happy
02:52:39.470 --> 02:52:43.450
that our staff will be
coordinating with, excuse me,
02:52:43.450 --> 02:52:47.280
with the CEC staff
over the next few weeks
02:52:47.280 --> 02:52:50.150
on further modeling and studies
02:52:50.150 --> 02:52:51.970
to try and answer the question
02:52:53.100 --> 02:52:57.223
of the need for fossil fuel
based resources in the midterm.
02:52:58.120 --> 02:53:01.320
As the decision notes
and you have well-stated
02:53:01.320 --> 02:53:04.290
with respect to the
fossil fuel resources,
02:53:04.290 --> 02:53:08.810
there is a likelihood that
the best case scenario for us
02:53:08.810 --> 02:53:10.430
in terms of reliability
02:53:11.520 --> 02:53:14.220
is that we may need
these types of resources
02:53:14.220 --> 02:53:18.690
for capacity purposes
and to remain on standby.
02:53:18.690 --> 02:53:20.910
But if we have enough renewable
02:53:20.910 --> 02:53:24.630
and zero emissions
generation in the system,
02:53:24.630 --> 02:53:29.200
the fossil fuel resources
ideally will not have to run
02:53:30.681 --> 02:53:34.540
and just serve as only
an insurance policy.
02:53:34.540 --> 02:53:36.383
And I too take the many comments
02:53:36.383 --> 02:53:40.200
that we received this morning to heart
02:53:42.900 --> 02:53:46.343
and with great respect
and consideration.
02:53:47.460 --> 02:53:50.080
We will see a proposed decision
02:53:50.080 --> 02:53:54.033
on the preferred system
portfolio by the end of this year.
02:53:57.330 --> 02:54:00.000
The decision will be
informed by the analysis
02:54:00.000 --> 02:54:02.740
that our staff and the CEC undertake
02:54:02.740 --> 02:54:04.153
over the next few weeks.
02:54:05.260 --> 02:54:07.980
With that, an inordinate
amount of thanks
02:54:07.980 --> 02:54:10.780
for everyone for their
work in this challenging
02:54:10.780 --> 02:54:13.320
and historic decision.
02:54:13.320 --> 02:54:16.880
First and foremost to you
Commissioner Rechtschaffen,
02:54:16.880 --> 02:54:20.450
a great deal of thanks my BK partner,
02:54:20.450 --> 02:54:23.140
and to his Chief of Staff, Sean Simon,
02:54:23.140 --> 02:54:27.410
and advisors Yuliya, and Sandy Goldberg.
02:54:27.410 --> 02:54:29.180
Yuliya Schmidt, excuse me,
02:54:29.180 --> 02:54:32.940
and Sandy Goldberg,
are incredibly brilliant
02:54:32.940 --> 02:54:36.590
and talented, and dedicated ALJ,
02:54:36.590 --> 02:54:39.160
the incomparable Julie Fitch.
02:54:39.160 --> 02:54:42.530
Our fantastic IRD team
in the energy division
02:54:42.530 --> 02:54:46.570
supervised by Nathan Barcic,
02:54:46.570 --> 02:54:52.453
with Neil Raffin, Lauren
Riser, James McGarry,
02:54:53.492 --> 02:54:54.825
Carlina Maslanka
02:54:55.710 --> 02:54:58.460
and Ali Nashkari,
02:54:58.460 --> 02:55:01.883
David Withrow and Jared Ferguson.
02:55:02.740 --> 02:55:04.790
Folks from the energy
division management
02:55:04.790 --> 02:55:08.670
who helped me understand
many, many, many times
02:55:08.670 --> 02:55:12.820
various complicated
facets of this decision,
02:55:12.820 --> 02:55:15.980
such as Michele Kito, Donald Brooks,
02:55:15.980 --> 02:55:18.570
Molly Sterkel and Pete Skala,.
02:55:18.570 --> 02:55:22.070
And of course my Chief of Staff,
02:55:22.070 --> 02:55:24.550
the incomparable Shannon O'Rourke,
02:55:24.550 --> 02:55:29.550
and the unbelievably
brilliant Anand Durvasula.
02:55:29.840 --> 02:55:32.070
So thank you all very much.
02:55:32.070 --> 02:55:34.723
And I will be supporting this item.
02:55:36.630 --> 02:55:38.433
Other questions and comments?
02:55:41.120 --> 02:55:44.470
Okay, oh, you guys
are late to their hands up.
02:55:44.470 --> 02:55:48.407
Okay, I think it was first
Commissioner Guzman Acevez.
02:55:49.403 --> 02:55:51.860
Okay, hank you very much.
02:55:51.860 --> 02:55:53.150
I didn't wanna be late
02:55:53.150 --> 02:55:55.690
because I'm actually extremely excited
02:55:55.690 --> 02:55:59.630
and just really grateful
02:55:59.630 --> 02:56:02.113
to see this proposal finally before us.
02:56:03.770 --> 02:56:07.970
We certainly could always
have gotten her sooner,
02:56:07.970 --> 02:56:11.970
but this is just in time for avoiding
02:56:11.970 --> 02:56:14.540
what we can see into
the future and this midterm
02:56:14.540 --> 02:56:19.080
as Commissioner Rechtschaffen
says mid decade procurement.
02:56:19.080 --> 02:56:23.220
I think it is our core function here
02:56:23.220 --> 02:56:27.090
to really do this type of
Statewide system analysis
02:56:27.090 --> 02:56:29.070
and derive down the obligations
02:56:29.070 --> 02:56:31.000
of each of the load serving entities
02:56:31.990 --> 02:56:33.980
to ensure that we're on track,
02:56:33.980 --> 02:56:37.800
to meeting not just
our clean energy goals,
02:56:37.800 --> 02:56:39.160
but to meeting them in a way
02:56:39.160 --> 02:56:42.970
that maybe fixes some of the errors
02:56:42.970 --> 02:56:45.820
of our past of just anything green.
02:56:45.820 --> 02:56:47.540
In particular I wanna call out
02:56:47.540 --> 02:56:50.360
as I am currently missing
02:56:50.360 --> 02:56:54.730
the Lithium Valley Commission,
02:56:54.730 --> 02:56:56.180
just wanna acknowledge
02:56:56.180 --> 02:56:59.920
that we are making a
tremendous acknowledgement
02:56:59.920 --> 02:57:03.360
of the role the geothermal
has in our future
02:57:03.360 --> 02:57:05.230
and the role it needs
to have immediately
02:57:05.230 --> 02:57:06.143
in this decade.
02:57:07.530 --> 02:57:12.530
I also want to really thank the staff
02:57:13.710 --> 02:57:16.630
for hitting the pause button
02:57:16.630 --> 02:57:20.930
on this more difficult
questions during our transition
02:57:20.930 --> 02:57:23.160
and the need to
really ensure reliability
02:57:23.160 --> 02:57:26.780
as we transition our resources.
02:57:26.780 --> 02:57:30.360
And what I'm hoping we
can look at in coordination
02:57:30.360 --> 02:57:33.460
with the Aliso proceeding
in this next stage
02:57:33.460 --> 02:57:34.933
of the IRP procurement.
02:57:36.910 --> 02:57:41.240
The dynamics between the
efforts in the closure of Aliso
02:57:41.240 --> 02:57:43.340
that has very quick timelines.
02:57:43.340 --> 02:57:48.340
There's two scenarios there
2027 and 2045 that we've studied
02:57:48.350 --> 02:57:53.350
and it's assuming last
gas generation in the basin.
02:57:54.420 --> 02:57:55.453
And so that,
02:57:56.429 --> 02:57:59.400
it's something that I really
want us to look at intently
02:57:59.400 --> 02:58:03.050
in the next six months and
have an open discussion
02:58:03.050 --> 02:58:05.100
with the public on that
02:58:05.100 --> 02:58:07.263
for both their ideas and their concerns.
02:58:08.560 --> 02:58:12.030
But overall I'm very
excited for this procurement
02:58:12.030 --> 02:58:15.150
and I won't iterate everybody's names,
02:58:15.150 --> 02:58:19.000
but I do wanna think all the
staff in the Energy Division
02:58:20.314 --> 02:58:22.280
and the Administrative
Law Judge divisions,
02:58:22.280 --> 02:58:23.970
especially Judge Fitch.
02:58:23.970 --> 02:58:25.033
Thank you very much.
02:58:26.570 --> 02:58:29.050
Thank you, Commissioner
Guzman Acevez.
02:58:29.050 --> 02:58:30.303
Commissioner Houck.
02:58:32.930 --> 02:58:35.470
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:58:35.470 --> 02:58:39.020
And I will not repeat
all of the comments
02:58:39.910 --> 02:58:40.743
that have been said,
02:58:40.743 --> 02:58:43.430
but I too, I'm happy
to see this decision
02:58:43.430 --> 02:58:45.490
and we'll be supporting it.
02:58:45.490 --> 02:58:48.490
I wanna thank Commissioner
Rechtschaffen and his office
02:58:48.490 --> 02:58:49.560
for all of their work.
02:58:49.560 --> 02:58:51.680
And President Batjer, your office,
02:58:51.680 --> 02:58:53.570
and all of the work
02:58:53.570 --> 02:58:58.570
that both of you have put
into this cutting edge decision.
02:58:58.610 --> 02:59:02.940
I also want to recognize
and thank the 37 parties
02:59:02.940 --> 02:59:04.090
who appeared before us
02:59:04.090 --> 02:59:07.490
during the IRP all-party
meeting last Thursday,
02:59:07.490 --> 02:59:11.790
as well as the public that
commented earlier today.
02:59:11.790 --> 02:59:13.970
I appreciated the
opportunity to hear directly
02:59:13.970 --> 02:59:16.890
from the parties and
the public comments.
02:59:16.890 --> 02:59:20.110
I want to also thank
02:59:21.320 --> 02:59:24.250
and recognize the exceptional
work of Judge Julie Fitch
02:59:24.250 --> 02:59:28.270
on the decision as well as
the team in Energy Division
02:59:28.270 --> 02:59:30.410
for all of their tremendous work on this
02:59:30.410 --> 02:59:32.710
and the briefings that
they provided my office.
02:59:32.710 --> 02:59:35.970
So I will be supporting
the decision today
02:59:35.970 --> 02:59:40.040
with the revisions and
look forward to seeing
02:59:40.040 --> 02:59:42.440
and following the next
steps in the proceedings.
02:59:42.440 --> 02:59:44.653
So with that, I'll conclude my remarks.
02:59:45.880 --> 02:59:46.810
Thank you, Commissioner.
02:59:46.810 --> 02:59:48.460
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:59:49.401 --> 02:59:50.851
Thank you President Batjer.
02:59:51.830 --> 02:59:55.930
This decision takes an
approach that is not only bold,
02:59:55.930 --> 03:00:01.440
it's dynamic, pragmatic
with the two stages
03:00:01.440 --> 03:00:02.993
of additional procurement.
03:00:03.930 --> 03:00:06.480
Utilities and load serving entities
03:00:06.480 --> 03:00:10.840
are economic engines for development
03:00:10.840 --> 03:00:14.330
and our vote today will task them
03:00:14.330 --> 03:00:17.490
to invest in clean generation necessary
03:00:17.490 --> 03:00:22.000
to address climate change
and with accountability.
03:00:22.000 --> 03:00:26.050
So it's a tremendous amount
of work, my appreciation,
03:00:26.050 --> 03:00:28.313
and I'll be voting in
support, thank you.
03:00:30.250 --> 03:00:31.083
Thank you.
03:00:31.083 --> 03:00:33.400
With that, seeing no other comments,
03:00:33.400 --> 03:00:36.893
will the agenda clerk please
call the roll on item 26?
03:00:39.640 --> 03:00:41.450
Commissioner Houck?
03:00:41.450 --> 03:00:42.283
Yes.
03:00:43.680 --> 03:00:45.610
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:00:45.610 --> 03:00:46.443
Aye.
03:00:47.670 --> 03:00:49.490
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:00:49.490 --> 03:00:50.323
Yes.
03:00:51.700 --> 03:00:53.774
Commissioner Guzman Acevez?
03:00:53.774 --> 03:00:55.380
Aye.
03:00:55.380 --> 03:00:56.347
President Batjer.
03:00:57.460 --> 03:00:58.600
Aye.
03:00:58.600 --> 03:01:01.430
Item 26 has been passed unanimously.
03:01:01.430 --> 03:01:02.533
Thank you all.
03:01:03.590 --> 03:01:06.280
Moving now onto item 27,
03:01:06.280 --> 03:01:08.343
Commissioner Guzman Acevez will present.
03:01:09.270 --> 03:01:10.868
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:01:10.868 --> 03:01:14.643
This was the item I referenced
during public comments today.
03:01:15.640 --> 03:01:19.100
As you know over a year ago now,
03:01:19.100 --> 03:01:21.060
or nearly a year ago I should say,
03:01:21.060 --> 03:01:24.470
we opened this proceeding
to look at the COVID relief
03:01:24.470 --> 03:01:28.570
that might be needed for
additional measures of protection
03:01:28.570 --> 03:01:30.470
for our customers.
03:01:30.470 --> 03:01:35.370
And just a little over a
week ago, on June 11th,
03:01:35.370 --> 03:01:37.820
the Governor issued an extension
03:01:37.820 --> 03:01:40.970
of many of his executive orders.
03:01:40.970 --> 03:01:45.910
There was a series of
extensions on moratoriums,
03:01:45.910 --> 03:01:48.170
including rental evictions
03:01:48.170 --> 03:01:50.860
and drinking water
service disconnection.
03:01:50.860 --> 03:01:55.360
And those were extended
until September 30th of this year.
03:01:55.360 --> 03:01:58.433
And this PD aligns with that timeline.
03:01:59.560 --> 03:02:04.560
The extension of disconnection
applies to residential
03:02:04.560 --> 03:02:07.833
and small business
electric and gas customers.
03:02:09.180 --> 03:02:12.310
The additional time
we'll do a couple of things,
03:02:12.310 --> 03:02:15.040
obviously provide the
additional protection,
03:02:15.040 --> 03:02:18.440
but it also will provide
time for the utilities
03:02:18.440 --> 03:02:21.890
to get their customer what was calling
03:02:21.890 --> 03:02:24.163
the default payment plans in place.
03:02:25.130 --> 03:02:29.410
And that is one or two
major protections in the PD.
03:02:29.410 --> 03:02:33.770
This is a default 24 month
payment plan as a large IOU
03:02:34.660 --> 03:02:37.853
and a 12 month payment
plan as a small IOU.
03:02:39.860 --> 03:02:42.860
So most notably will provide us
03:02:42.860 --> 03:02:44.460
with just a little bit of time
03:02:44.460 --> 03:02:49.460
to try to really draw down
that federal and state money
03:02:50.420 --> 03:02:54.930
and get the arrears
forgiven as soon as possible
03:02:54.930 --> 03:02:59.170
without impacting customers
from disconnecting them.
03:02:59.170 --> 03:03:04.170
This is the other major component
of this proposed decision.
03:03:05.280 --> 03:03:09.170
And of course we've clarified
that nothing in this decision
03:03:09.170 --> 03:03:14.110
prevents the ongoing strategies
that have been successful,
03:03:14.110 --> 03:03:18.100
like the participation in
arrear management plan
03:03:18.100 --> 03:03:21.050
or any efforts to provide
accelerated payments
03:03:21.050 --> 03:03:25.780
or payments of relief
and other local programs
03:03:25.780 --> 03:03:29.183
that have come into support customers.
03:03:30.480 --> 03:03:32.380
Okay and then one final thing
03:03:32.380 --> 03:03:34.840
that this PD does incorporate
03:03:35.893 --> 03:03:38.960
that we will be keeping
the proceeding open
03:03:38.960 --> 03:03:41.203
to continue to monitor
the situation of course,
03:03:41.203 --> 03:03:42.740
when the things are...
03:03:44.000 --> 03:03:47.680
As we all continue to
recover from the pandemic,
03:03:47.680 --> 03:03:49.840
hopefully this actually provides
03:03:49.840 --> 03:03:51.670
the largest bill protection.
03:03:51.670 --> 03:03:53.120
But what are the other elements?
03:03:53.120 --> 03:03:55.170
As I said, low-income oversight board
03:03:56.110 --> 03:04:00.960
really called upon us
to do is to have utilities
03:04:00.960 --> 03:04:04.210
really have a more
cooperative relationship
03:04:04.210 --> 03:04:07.113
to the local community-based
organizations.
03:04:07.997 --> 03:04:09.900
Although we know
they currently work with
03:04:09.900 --> 03:04:14.900
but many times to convene
a very non-structured manner
03:04:15.790 --> 03:04:19.940
or depending on an event or so forth.
03:04:19.940 --> 03:04:21.730
So we're asking them to really give us
03:04:21.730 --> 03:04:23.660
a better understanding
03:04:23.660 --> 03:04:25.440
of what their current relationship
03:04:25.440 --> 03:04:29.190
with the community based
organization networks is,
03:04:29.190 --> 03:04:33.530
including what their compensation
structure with them may be
03:04:33.530 --> 03:04:35.810
and how it benefits the communities,
03:04:35.810 --> 03:04:38.330
in particular disadvantaged communities.
03:04:38.330 --> 03:04:42.120
This will help us have a
greater baseline of information
03:04:42.120 --> 03:04:45.020
as we continue to move
forward in the proceeding
03:04:45.020 --> 03:04:47.740
and really take into consideration
03:04:47.740 --> 03:04:49.913
what the LLB has been recommending.
03:04:50.820 --> 03:04:51.910
Okay.
03:04:51.910 --> 03:04:53.240
So with that,
03:04:53.240 --> 03:04:57.760
I wanna thank all of the
adaptive management
03:04:57.760 --> 03:05:00.120
that's been used with this proceeding
03:05:00.120 --> 03:05:01.647
as many other proceedings,
03:05:01.647 --> 03:05:05.730
but this one has really
been trying to be responsive
03:05:06.660 --> 03:05:09.660
to this really dynamic
situation that we're in,
03:05:09.660 --> 03:05:12.230
in recovering from the pandemic.
03:05:12.230 --> 03:05:13.610
I wanna start
03:05:13.610 --> 03:05:17.440
by thanking our amazing
Judge, Camille Watts-Zagha,
03:05:17.440 --> 03:05:20.287
who has been the lead Commissioner
03:05:20.287 --> 03:05:23.430
and also on the water recovery efforts.
03:05:23.430 --> 03:05:26.680
And it's been a benefit
to have her on both,
03:05:26.680 --> 03:05:28.180
and we've kind of been able to learn
03:05:28.180 --> 03:05:30.890
cross industries best practices.
03:05:30.890 --> 03:05:32.700
And many times we did just that.
03:05:32.700 --> 03:05:36.050
We called upon the sister utilities
03:05:36.050 --> 03:05:39.580
to follow the best
practices of the others.
03:05:39.580 --> 03:05:42.670
I also wanna thank Judge
Colbert for his involvement
03:05:42.670 --> 03:05:47.090
through this whole process
and the team from Legal,
03:05:47.090 --> 03:05:50.870
especially Christopher
Chow and Sarah Thomas
03:05:50.870 --> 03:05:55.460
and Energy Division's team
Paul Philips, Ben Menzies
03:05:55.460 --> 03:05:59.243
and Julie Lang as well from ALJ vision.
03:06:00.100 --> 03:06:03.150
And of course I wanna thank really
03:06:03.150 --> 03:06:06.010
both my BK partner Commissioner Houck
03:06:06.010 --> 03:06:07.370
and my previous partner
03:06:07.370 --> 03:06:10.300
on all these issues,
Commissioner Shiroma
03:06:10.300 --> 03:06:14.380
as we navigated through
what measures to take up.
03:06:14.380 --> 03:06:19.370
MC Brown, who has also
crossed offices and Kathleen Yip
03:06:20.270 --> 03:06:23.550
and of course to my
advisor, Justin Fong.
03:06:23.550 --> 03:06:24.720
So thank you very much.
03:06:24.720 --> 03:06:26.760
And please I ask for your support
03:06:26.760 --> 03:06:29.423
in this continued
protection for customers.
03:06:30.950 --> 03:06:33.230
Thank you Commissioner
Guzman Acevez.
03:06:33.230 --> 03:06:34.850
And I especially wanna thank you
03:06:34.850 --> 03:06:39.600
for your very strong,
passionate advocacy
03:06:40.910 --> 03:06:43.870
for this very important protection
03:06:43.870 --> 03:06:46.230
for people in California.
03:06:46.230 --> 03:06:48.340
Your leadership has been immense,
03:06:48.340 --> 03:06:52.420
and this has been yet
another one of these decisions
03:06:52.420 --> 03:06:54.810
that there's been a lot of hard work
03:06:54.810 --> 03:06:59.170
and very fast moving proceeding,
03:06:59.170 --> 03:07:03.210
which it was open just
four short months ago.
03:07:03.210 --> 03:07:06.900
So we do move things quickly.
03:07:06.900 --> 03:07:10.280
We do respond quickly underscore
03:07:10.280 --> 03:07:11.790
and we do it often.
03:07:11.790 --> 03:07:16.000
So thank you again for
your incredible leadership
03:07:16.000 --> 03:07:17.900
on this subject.
03:07:17.900 --> 03:07:19.237
And I will turn to,
03:07:19.237 --> 03:07:21.430
and I of course will be supporting that.
03:07:21.430 --> 03:07:24.850
I will turn to the other
Commissioners for their comments.
03:07:24.850 --> 03:07:26.050
Yes, Commissioner Houck.
03:07:29.930 --> 03:07:31.580
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:07:31.580 --> 03:07:35.870
I'd like to thank my BK partner,
Commissioner Guzman Acevez
03:07:35.870 --> 03:07:39.520
for all of her amazing
work and dedication
03:07:39.520 --> 03:07:41.993
to getting this through so quickly.
03:07:43.530 --> 03:07:45.140
And then the team at her office,
03:07:45.140 --> 03:07:49.330
as well as all of the
other folks on the team,
03:07:49.330 --> 03:07:54.140
Ben Menzies, Sarah Thomas,
Judge Camille Watts-Zagha
03:07:54.140 --> 03:07:57.390
for all of their work
on this important PD.
03:07:57.390 --> 03:08:00.620
This proposed decision is
going to provide additional relief
03:08:00.620 --> 03:08:02.340
for customers working to recover
03:08:02.340 --> 03:08:05.220
from the devastating
impacts of the COVID crisis.
03:08:05.220 --> 03:08:06.870
And it will limit disconnections,
03:08:06.870 --> 03:08:10.430
no matter how much the customer
debt has been accumulated.
03:08:10.430 --> 03:08:12.870
The relief payment
plans do not interfere
03:08:12.870 --> 03:08:14.430
with existing assistance
03:08:14.430 --> 03:08:17.740
and the relief that's already available.
03:08:17.740 --> 03:08:19.820
So I'm looking forward
to continuing to work
03:08:19.820 --> 03:08:22.290
with Commissioner Guzman
Acevez on the next phase
03:08:22.290 --> 03:08:23.250
of the proceeding
03:08:23.250 --> 03:08:26.160
that will be looking at debt forgiveness
03:08:26.160 --> 03:08:29.093
for small businesses
and I'm pleased to see
03:08:29.093 --> 03:08:33.110
that we were able to get
the moratorium extended.
03:08:33.110 --> 03:08:37.540
And again, commend
Commissioner Guzman Acevez
03:08:37.540 --> 03:08:39.650
for all of her great
work on this proceeding.
03:08:39.650 --> 03:08:41.750
I will be supporting this decision.
03:08:41.750 --> 03:08:44.113
Thank you and that
concludes my comments.
03:08:47.230 --> 03:08:48.950
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma.
03:08:50.900 --> 03:08:51.780
Yes, thank you
03:08:51.780 --> 03:08:55.977
for the tremendous work
Commissioner Guzman Acevez
03:08:55.977 --> 03:08:58.870
and for folding in the input
03:08:58.870 --> 03:09:01.560
from the low-income oversight board.
03:09:01.560 --> 03:09:06.560
With this decision the CPUC
continues to support customers
03:09:06.940 --> 03:09:10.410
in addressing the
consequences of a pandemic
03:09:10.410 --> 03:09:13.420
by offering these
additional payments plans
03:09:13.420 --> 03:09:17.440
and created a latitude
to avoid disconnections.
03:09:17.440 --> 03:09:20.653
Thank you to the team,
thank you all, I'm in support.
03:09:23.540 --> 03:09:24.620
Thank you.
03:09:24.620 --> 03:09:25.973
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
03:09:26.880 --> 03:09:27.733
Well, President Batjer,
03:09:27.733 --> 03:09:29.983
I think we should have
a new name for the PUC
03:09:31.360 --> 03:09:33.450
to be nimbleness or us.
03:09:33.450 --> 03:09:34.350
What do you think?
03:09:35.330 --> 03:09:36.803
I think lickidislip?
03:09:38.900 --> 03:09:43.900
Well, I do think it is important
to highlight as you noted
03:09:44.500 --> 03:09:48.970
that we have responded very quickly
03:09:48.970 --> 03:09:52.600
and I think powerfully to
the crisis posed by COVID.
03:09:52.600 --> 03:09:55.040
And this is the latest example of that
03:09:55.040 --> 03:09:58.120
where core consumer
protections are at stake.
03:09:58.120 --> 03:10:00.110
I think we could feel good about that
03:10:00.110 --> 03:10:02.730
the contribution that we've made.
03:10:02.730 --> 03:10:06.090
I do, I just wanna echo my thanks
03:10:06.090 --> 03:10:07.773
to Commissioner Guzman Acevez,
03:10:09.655 --> 03:10:12.370
for her leadership on this,
03:10:12.370 --> 03:10:17.370
and also Judge Watts-Zagha,
really tremendous work on this.
03:10:18.700 --> 03:10:20.627
We know that the impacts of COVID
03:10:20.627 --> 03:10:25.210
are still very much front and
center for many consumers.
03:10:25.210 --> 03:10:29.300
So it's very important that
we extend the moratorium,
03:10:29.300 --> 03:10:30.747
give people more time,
03:10:30.747 --> 03:10:34.420
let other efforts catch
up to where people are.
03:10:34.420 --> 03:10:37.300
I'm very appreciative that
is not just the protection
03:10:37.300 --> 03:10:39.480
that the decision provides,
03:10:39.480 --> 03:10:41.810
which are important
as my colleagues noted,
03:10:41.810 --> 03:10:45.030
but that these are complimentary
03:10:45.030 --> 03:10:47.723
to the previous
protections we put in place.
03:10:48.690 --> 03:10:51.950
We will be monitoring
very closely to the extent
03:10:51.950 --> 03:10:55.960
to which state and
federal funding efforts
03:10:55.960 --> 03:10:59.530
address the debt that consumers face
03:10:59.530 --> 03:11:04.230
and phase two provides an
opportunity for further action.
03:11:04.230 --> 03:11:06.593
So with that, I'll be
supporting this decision.
03:11:08.990 --> 03:11:11.000
Okay, thank you.
03:11:11.000 --> 03:11:13.483
Seeing no further comments or questions,
03:11:13.483 --> 03:11:16.363
will the agenda clerk,
please call the roll.
03:11:17.390 --> 03:11:19.150
Commissioner Houck?
03:11:19.150 --> 03:11:20.520
Yes.
03:11:20.520 --> 03:11:21.353
Commissioner Shiroma.
03:11:22.410 --> 03:11:23.780
Aye.
03:11:23.780 --> 03:11:25.688
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:11:25.688 --> 03:11:26.521
Yes.
03:11:27.420 --> 03:11:29.419
Commissioner Guzman Acevez?
03:11:29.419 --> 03:11:30.697
Aye.
03:11:30.697 --> 03:11:32.974
President Batjer?
03:11:32.974 --> 03:11:34.310
Aye.
03:11:34.310 --> 03:11:38.430
Item number 27
03:11:39.900 --> 03:11:41.440
passes unanimously.
03:11:41.440 --> 03:11:43.050
Thank you all very much.
03:11:43.050 --> 03:11:47.897
Okay, moving on now to item 28
03:11:47.897 --> 03:11:51.023
and that is going to be presented
by Commissioner Houck.
03:11:52.840 --> 03:11:54.830
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:11:54.830 --> 03:11:57.350
I'm very excited to
introduce this new order
03:11:57.350 --> 03:12:00.470
instituting rulemaking to
modernize the electric grid
03:12:00.470 --> 03:12:04.683
for a high distributed energy
resource or DE for future.
03:12:05.590 --> 03:12:07.230
I will provide a brief overview
03:12:07.230 --> 03:12:09.150
of the new rulemaking in a moment,
03:12:09.150 --> 03:12:12.100
but first I do wanna take a minute
03:12:12.100 --> 03:12:14.300
because I think it's
important to take a step back
03:12:14.300 --> 03:12:16.320
and place the rulemaking in context
03:12:16.320 --> 03:12:18.730
of the larger effort
underway at the Commission
03:12:18.730 --> 03:12:21.370
to begin thinking about the next wave
03:12:21.370 --> 03:12:23.463
of DER policy development.
03:12:24.480 --> 03:12:28.790
So in 2016, the Commission
endorsed the DER action plan
03:12:28.790 --> 03:12:31.590
to align the organization's
vision and actions
03:12:31.590 --> 03:12:36.590
in shaping California's
DER future for 2016 to 2020,
03:12:36.730 --> 03:12:39.800
and to serve as a roadmap
in coordinating activities
03:12:39.800 --> 03:12:42.160
across multiple proceedings.
03:12:42.160 --> 03:12:44.870
We've made progress on
many elements of the plan,
03:12:44.870 --> 03:12:48.850
including providing
incentives to jumpstart industry,
03:12:48.850 --> 03:12:51.340
reforming utility,
distribution, planning,
03:12:51.340 --> 03:12:55.090
and interconnections to
leverage the benefits of DER's
03:12:55.090 --> 03:12:59.380
and facilitating DER integration
into wholesale markets.
03:12:59.380 --> 03:13:01.790
While work on these
topics is still underway,
03:13:01.790 --> 03:13:04.450
many of the Commission's
proceedings on these issues
03:13:04.450 --> 03:13:05.910
are in their later stages.
03:13:05.910 --> 03:13:07.950
And five years on we're facing a host
03:13:07.950 --> 03:13:10.433
of new policy challenges
and opportunities.
03:13:11.280 --> 03:13:14.560
DER growth is expected to
escalate in the coming years
03:13:14.560 --> 03:13:18.130
and response to state
electrification and climate policies,
03:13:18.130 --> 03:13:21.730
changing grid and resiliency
needs and declining costs.
03:13:21.730 --> 03:13:25.080
Many of these new DER's
will be capable of shifting load,
03:13:25.080 --> 03:13:28.040
including electric vehicles
behind the meter storage
03:13:28.040 --> 03:13:30.180
and space and water heating systems
03:13:30.180 --> 03:13:33.640
to dispatch can be scheduled
or controlled remotely.
03:13:33.640 --> 03:13:36.150
California's climate goals
are expected to result
03:13:36.150 --> 03:13:40.823
in millions of new EVs by
2030 and executive order N7920.
03:13:42.057 --> 03:13:45.990
That's the target for all new
cars and passenger truck sales
03:13:45.990 --> 03:13:49.090
to be zero emission by 2035.
03:13:49.090 --> 03:13:51.540
The new wave of DER is led by millions
03:13:51.540 --> 03:13:54.320
of new electric vehicles
and all electric buildings
03:13:54.320 --> 03:13:57.060
will pose new challenges
for distribution planning
03:13:57.060 --> 03:14:00.140
and demand management,
but also new opportunities
03:14:00.140 --> 03:14:02.330
for making customer load more flexible,
03:14:02.330 --> 03:14:03.620
addressing the duct curve,
03:14:03.620 --> 03:14:07.110
increasing customer
resiliency and promoting equity.
03:14:07.110 --> 03:14:08.690
Given the shifting landscape,
03:14:08.690 --> 03:14:11.630
the time is right to
update the DER action plan
03:14:11.630 --> 03:14:13.610
to ensure we have a cohesive vision
03:14:13.610 --> 03:14:16.440
and roadmap for
leveraging the DER growth
03:14:16.440 --> 03:14:18.233
to achieve our clean energy goals.
03:14:19.180 --> 03:14:20.280
I'm excited to announce
03:14:20.280 --> 03:14:22.470
that we're updating the DER action plan
03:14:22.470 --> 03:14:25.020
and we'll issue a first
draft in early June.
03:14:25.020 --> 03:14:27.860
We've used stakeholder
feedback as a crucial step
03:14:27.860 --> 03:14:29.070
in updating the plan,
03:14:29.070 --> 03:14:30.940
and we'll solicit a written comments
03:14:30.940 --> 03:14:32.430
and hold a public workshop
03:14:33.450 --> 03:14:35.717
that's anticipated to
be held on July 20th.
03:14:35.717 --> 03:14:38.960
And I strongly encourage
those interested to attend
03:14:38.960 --> 03:14:40.850
and provide comments.
03:14:40.850 --> 03:14:42.330
I'm also excited to announce
03:14:42.330 --> 03:14:44.270
that the Commission anticipate launching
03:14:44.270 --> 03:14:47.160
at least three new rulemakings this year
03:14:47.160 --> 03:14:50.860
under the umbrella of
the DER Action Plan 2.0.
03:14:50.860 --> 03:14:53.280
The first is the OYR
on the agenda today,
03:14:53.280 --> 03:14:55.520
which focuses on distribution, planning
03:14:55.520 --> 03:15:00.060
and grid modernization to
accommodate high levels of DER's.
03:15:00.060 --> 03:15:02.490
The second OYR will
serve as the successor
03:15:02.490 --> 03:15:05.120
to the IDER are proceeding
03:15:05.120 --> 03:15:08.000
and will focus on updating
avoided cost calculator,
03:15:08.000 --> 03:15:11.280
improving overall DER
program coordination.
03:15:11.280 --> 03:15:14.440
And we anticipate launching
that later this summer.
03:15:14.440 --> 03:15:16.810
The third OIR will focus on strategies
03:15:16.810 --> 03:15:19.380
to make customer demands more flexible.
03:15:19.380 --> 03:15:22.480
A need underscored by the
rolling blackouts last August
03:15:22.480 --> 03:15:24.330
and the energy division hosted
03:15:24.330 --> 03:15:26.090
an excellent workshop last month,
03:15:26.090 --> 03:15:29.740
and we expect to issue a
staff proposal later this summer,
03:15:29.740 --> 03:15:32.610
and hopefully a rulemaking in the fall.
03:15:32.610 --> 03:15:34.960
Before I provide more
detail about the OIR
03:15:34.960 --> 03:15:36.040
on today's agenda.
03:15:36.040 --> 03:15:38.450
I want to acknowledge the
tremendous amount of work
03:15:38.450 --> 03:15:40.580
that our outstanding
internal team has done
03:15:40.580 --> 03:15:42.720
on the DER action plan update.
03:15:42.720 --> 03:15:47.430
Most notably Kesha Austin,
Gabe Catlin, Joy Morganstin,
03:15:47.430 --> 03:15:50.840
Paul Phillips, Flores
Kaiser, Aloke Gupta,
03:15:50.840 --> 03:15:53.140
Josh Honeycutt, Simon Baker.
03:15:53.140 --> 03:15:57.070
And I wanna particularly
thank my advisor MC Brown,
03:15:57.070 --> 03:15:59.140
who has worked diligently
03:16:00.290 --> 03:16:05.290
and has just been extremely
active and amazing on this OIR.
03:16:06.454 --> 03:16:11.030
So now I wanna introduce
the OIR on today's agenda.
03:16:11.030 --> 03:16:13.720
The purpose of this proceeding will,
03:16:13.720 --> 03:16:16.810
which we're calling the
high DER rulemaking
03:16:16.810 --> 03:16:19.530
is to consider revisions
to distribution, planning,
03:16:19.530 --> 03:16:22.670
and operations, to accommodate
a high number of DER's,
03:16:22.670 --> 03:16:24.660
especially electric vehicles
03:16:24.660 --> 03:16:26.900
and to address outstanding issues
03:16:26.900 --> 03:16:30.400
from the DRP and IDER proceedings.
03:16:30.400 --> 03:16:32.850
The proposed scope
of the OIR is organized
03:16:32.850 --> 03:16:34.050
into three tracks.
03:16:34.050 --> 03:16:37.670
The first track is a blue sky
consultant supported exercise
03:16:37.670 --> 03:16:40.610
to study alternative
distribution system operator
03:16:40.610 --> 03:16:42.490
or DSL models.
03:16:42.490 --> 03:16:45.680
The second track focuses on
reforming distribution planning
03:16:45.680 --> 03:16:48.310
to accommodate electrification
of the transportation
03:16:48.310 --> 03:16:49.640
and building sectors,
03:16:49.640 --> 03:16:52.150
as well as facilitating
local community input
03:16:52.150 --> 03:16:54.060
into distribution planning.
03:16:54.060 --> 03:16:55.980
The third track centers on leveraging
03:16:55.980 --> 03:16:58.450
the advanced functionality
of smart inverters
03:16:58.450 --> 03:17:00.870
and updating the grid
modernization framework
03:17:00.870 --> 03:17:03.740
adopted in the DRP proceeding.
03:17:03.740 --> 03:17:07.170
Where the prior DRP and
IDR proceedings focused on
03:17:07.170 --> 03:17:10.560
the distribution deferral value of DER,
03:17:10.560 --> 03:17:12.880
this proceeding is intended to explore
03:17:12.880 --> 03:17:14.490
more wide ranging questions
03:17:14.490 --> 03:17:16.600
related to distribution planning.
03:17:16.600 --> 03:17:19.400
This naturally leads to a
bit of an unwieldy scope,
03:17:19.400 --> 03:17:22.100
and we are there for
we'll be relying heavily
03:17:22.100 --> 03:17:24.020
on parties over the
next couple of months
03:17:24.020 --> 03:17:27.350
to help us identify a set of
clearly defined scoping issues
03:17:27.350 --> 03:17:29.230
and a realistic procedural path
03:17:29.230 --> 03:17:32.260
to achieving them
within this scoping memo.
03:17:32.260 --> 03:17:35.500
Written comments on
the OIR are due in 45 days
03:17:35.500 --> 03:17:38.460
and Energy Division will host
a half day scoping workshop
03:17:38.460 --> 03:17:40.980
in September to hear
directly from stakeholders
03:17:40.980 --> 03:17:42.980
on scope and schedule.
03:17:42.980 --> 03:17:45.930
To help us achieve the
ambitious goals of this proceeding,
03:17:45.930 --> 03:17:47.010
the Commission is seeking
03:17:47.010 --> 03:17:49.510
to leverage two external resources.
03:17:49.510 --> 03:17:51.440
First we plan to bring on a consultant
03:17:51.440 --> 03:17:53.880
to provide technical
support on the proceeding.
03:17:53.880 --> 03:17:58.160
We've posted a request for
proposals to the CAL E procure
03:17:58.160 --> 03:18:00.870
with responses due on July 30th.
03:18:00.870 --> 03:18:01.703
And additionally,
03:18:01.703 --> 03:18:04.020
we will be working closely
with our sister agency,
03:18:04.020 --> 03:18:05.920
the California Energy Commission
03:18:05.920 --> 03:18:08.017
to leverage their
analytical work on the value
03:18:08.017 --> 03:18:09.790
and scope of grid services
03:18:09.790 --> 03:18:12.900
that DER's can provide
to address reliability
03:18:12.900 --> 03:18:15.280
and Senate bill 100 goals.
03:18:15.280 --> 03:18:16.730
I'd like to conclude my remarks
03:18:16.730 --> 03:18:19.670
by thanking the large
dedicated CPUC team
03:18:19.670 --> 03:18:22.000
that has made this OIR possible.
03:18:22.000 --> 03:18:25.120
Rob Peterson, Gabe
Petlin, Josh Honeycutt
03:18:25.120 --> 03:18:28.230
Ed Pike, Simon Baker, Molly Sterkel,
03:18:28.230 --> 03:18:31.692
Forest Kaser, Nusim Golstani,
03:18:31.692 --> 03:18:35.925
Keisha Austin, Ed Randolph,
03:18:35.925 --> 03:18:39.620
ALJs Judge Mason and Judge Himes.
03:18:39.620 --> 03:18:42.740
And again, I want to
03:18:42.740 --> 03:18:45.600
particularly thank my advisor MC Brown
03:18:45.600 --> 03:18:48.660
for all of her work
on this important OIR.
03:18:48.660 --> 03:18:51.110
The amount of research
and visionary thinking
03:18:51.110 --> 03:18:53.510
that went into this
document is truly impressive.
03:18:53.510 --> 03:18:55.460
I look forward to following the advances
03:18:55.460 --> 03:18:58.590
this proceeding will make to
integrate high levels of DER
03:18:58.590 --> 03:19:01.360
into our distribution system
planning and operations
03:19:01.360 --> 03:19:03.030
over the next few years.
03:19:03.030 --> 03:19:05.390
I hope you will join me
in supporting the adoption
03:19:05.390 --> 03:19:07.980
of this course important to OIR today.
03:19:07.980 --> 03:19:10.413
Thank you and that concludes my remarks.
03:19:12.590 --> 03:19:14.800
Thank you very much
Commissioner Houck.
03:19:14.800 --> 03:19:19.370
Are there any questions
or thoughts or comments?
03:19:19.370 --> 03:19:21.677
Yes, Commissioner Guzman Acevez.
03:19:23.122 --> 03:19:24.593
Thank you President Batjer
03:19:24.593 --> 03:19:26.243
and thank you Commissioner Houck.
03:19:27.820 --> 03:19:31.220
I know the scope is so wide as you said,
03:19:31.220 --> 03:19:36.220
and one just constant opportunity
03:19:38.070 --> 03:19:39.890
that I think is this out there with DER
03:19:39.890 --> 03:19:44.150
is that we really
haven't quite captured is
03:19:45.170 --> 03:19:49.530
what their value is in
the local reliability space.
03:19:49.530 --> 03:19:53.170
And that know that we
have traditionally seen that
03:19:53.170 --> 03:19:58.170
as something that is
focused on reducing load
03:19:58.680 --> 03:20:00.370
and reducing need.
03:20:00.370 --> 03:20:02.530
So I think there's an opportunity now
03:20:02.530 --> 03:20:04.940
to kind of evolve to a place
03:20:04.940 --> 03:20:08.070
where these local clean resources
03:20:08.070 --> 03:20:10.960
can really play to the supply side,
03:20:10.960 --> 03:20:13.835
and recognizing that
03:20:13.835 --> 03:20:17.270
as we just discussed in the IRP decision
03:20:17.270 --> 03:20:20.490
that there's a large number of megawatts
03:20:20.490 --> 03:20:24.320
that are used locally
for reliability needs.
03:20:24.320 --> 03:20:29.320
And these DERS could a
provide a real opportunity
03:20:29.710 --> 03:20:32.080
if we really take the challenge
03:20:32.080 --> 03:20:35.650
in these geographic locations
03:20:35.650 --> 03:20:38.150
that are difficult to build in.
03:20:38.150 --> 03:20:41.080
But that really
underscores the importance
03:20:41.080 --> 03:20:43.670
of having community involvement
03:20:43.670 --> 03:20:45.610
and local government involvement
03:20:45.610 --> 03:20:49.830
to figure out how these
difficult geographic areas
03:20:49.830 --> 03:20:53.710
like the LA basin to really
be a focus for growth for DER.
03:20:54.760 --> 03:20:56.530
And so I'm hoping that this is something
03:20:56.530 --> 03:21:00.600
that could be really
taken on in this proceeding
03:21:00.600 --> 03:21:04.930
to find those optimizations
in the distribution plans
03:21:04.930 --> 03:21:08.270
to take into account the opportunity
03:21:08.270 --> 03:21:12.610
to really fill that local
reliability supply side resource.
03:21:12.610 --> 03:21:15.400
I'm also very thankful to see
03:21:15.400 --> 03:21:18.550
the OIR acknowledges the environmental
03:21:18.550 --> 03:21:21.080
and social justice action plan goals.
03:21:21.080 --> 03:21:22.750
And again, reiterating the importance
03:21:22.750 --> 03:21:25.830
to work with local government
and tribal governments
03:21:25.830 --> 03:21:28.060
and communities to figure out
03:21:28.060 --> 03:21:32.170
how best to build these
resources in communities
03:21:32.170 --> 03:21:34.830
to get out that localized benefits
03:21:34.830 --> 03:21:37.230
and to finally really be the driver
03:21:37.230 --> 03:21:39.410
to the displacement of fossil.
03:21:39.410 --> 03:21:41.530
So thank you for taking this on,
03:21:41.530 --> 03:21:43.990
and I'm very excited for the prospects
03:21:44.830 --> 03:21:46.533
and you narrow the scope.
03:21:47.540 --> 03:21:48.590
Good luck, thank you.
03:21:51.820 --> 03:21:54.190
Yeah, I liked that last phrase.
03:21:54.190 --> 03:21:55.600
Good luck.
03:21:55.600 --> 03:21:57.320
And thank you.
03:21:57.320 --> 03:21:58.713
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma.
03:22:00.490 --> 03:22:01.594
Thank you.
03:22:01.594 --> 03:22:06.594
I just wanna say that
the electric grid is evolving
03:22:07.140 --> 03:22:11.040
as more distributed energy
resources are anticipated.
03:22:11.040 --> 03:22:16.040
The electric grid is a
very precious resource,
03:22:16.230 --> 03:22:18.873
I mentioned that in previous comment.
03:22:20.040 --> 03:22:25.040
And this OIR will really
look to protect it, amplify it,
03:22:26.350 --> 03:22:31.123
modernize it with
innovation and new ideas
03:22:33.200 --> 03:22:36.660
and all towards becoming
an even greater resource
03:22:36.660 --> 03:22:40.120
that it is now and really prepare us for
03:22:40.120 --> 03:22:45.120
that new future for the
2030 future, for 2045 future
03:22:45.360 --> 03:22:48.720
of a zero greenhouse gas footprint.
03:22:48.720 --> 03:22:50.620
Thank you, look forward to the effort.
03:22:52.940 --> 03:22:54.810
Thank you, any other comments?
03:22:54.810 --> 03:22:56.310
Okay, seeing none we'll...
03:22:56.310 --> 03:22:59.830
Oh, I'm sorry, Commissioner Houck.
03:22:59.830 --> 03:23:00.663
I apologize.
03:23:00.663 --> 03:23:01.920
I just would be remissed
03:23:01.920 --> 03:23:04.583
without recognizing President Batjer
03:23:04.583 --> 03:23:06.360
that you are my BK partner
03:23:06.360 --> 03:23:08.340
on this very important proceeding.
03:23:08.340 --> 03:23:12.780
And you started and did
the majority of the work
03:23:12.780 --> 03:23:16.770
getting up to where we are in February.
03:23:16.770 --> 03:23:20.000
So I just want to recognize
the work that Nora
03:23:20.000 --> 03:23:22.840
and your office has
done in assisting us.
03:23:22.840 --> 03:23:26.150
And I'm looking forward
to working with you on-
03:23:26.150 --> 03:23:29.010
I would certainly
pat Nora on the back
03:23:29.010 --> 03:23:34.010
and I think that some of the
folks in the Energy Division,
03:23:34.120 --> 03:23:38.299
such as my former
advisor, Josh Huneycutt
03:23:38.299 --> 03:23:40.372
would probably say, no,
she didn't do anything on that.
03:23:40.372 --> 03:23:41.210
Are you kidding me?
03:23:41.210 --> 03:23:43.387
She was waiting for you to come.
03:23:43.387 --> 03:23:44.830
(laughs)
03:23:44.830 --> 03:23:47.820
So anyway, I'm excited
that you're excited
03:23:47.820 --> 03:23:48.970
about this proceeding
03:23:48.970 --> 03:23:51.820
'cause it needs that kind
of wonderful stewardship.
03:23:51.820 --> 03:23:52.880
So thank you.
03:23:52.880 --> 03:23:55.313
Okay, seeing no other comments,
03:23:56.850 --> 03:23:59.000
will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
03:24:00.131 --> 03:24:02.030
Commissioner Houck?
03:24:02.030 --> 03:24:03.563
Yes.
03:24:03.563 --> 03:24:05.341
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:24:05.341 --> 03:24:06.174
Aye.
03:24:07.043 --> 03:24:08.730
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:24:08.730 --> 03:24:09.563
Yes.
03:24:10.450 --> 03:24:12.546
Commissioner Guzman Acevez?
03:24:12.546 --> 03:24:14.122
Aye.
03:24:14.122 --> 03:24:14.955
President Batjer?
03:24:17.470 --> 03:24:18.570
Aye.
03:24:18.570 --> 03:24:20.120
Thank you.
03:24:20.120 --> 03:24:24.740
The item number 28 passes unanimously.
03:24:24.740 --> 03:24:25.820
Now moving on
03:24:26.803 --> 03:24:30.100
to item number 30,
03:24:30.100 --> 03:24:32.760
this is an order extending
statutory deadline
03:24:32.760 --> 03:24:34.060
that I will present.
03:24:34.060 --> 03:24:37.840
It is for the wildfire
mitigation plan proceeding,
03:24:37.840 --> 03:24:41.640
an extension of the statutory
deadline from June 30th, 2021
03:24:41.640 --> 03:24:43.473
to December 31st, 2021.
03:24:45.820 --> 03:24:47.770
Will support a smooth transition
03:24:47.770 --> 03:24:50.640
of the Commission's
wildfire safety division
03:24:50.640 --> 03:24:52.550
to the department of natural resources,
03:24:52.550 --> 03:24:53.403
or excuse me,
03:24:54.510 --> 03:24:57.460
the natural resources agency.
03:24:57.460 --> 03:25:01.250
As we will discuss
later in this meeting,
03:25:01.250 --> 03:25:03.540
the new office of energy infrastructure
03:25:03.540 --> 03:25:05.100
will commence oversight
03:25:05.100 --> 03:25:09.730
of the utilities wildfire
mitigation activities on July one.
03:25:09.730 --> 03:25:12.920
Keeping this proceeding
open to the end of the year
03:25:12.920 --> 03:25:16.260
will enable a smooth
transition of this important work
03:25:16.260 --> 03:25:19.923
and support the collaboration
between our two agencies.
03:25:21.628 --> 03:25:25.870
That will continue even
after the proceeding closes.
03:25:25.870 --> 03:25:29.140
So with that, I request your support.
03:25:29.140 --> 03:25:31.600
Any questions or thoughts?
03:25:31.600 --> 03:25:32.710
Okay, seeing none,
03:25:32.710 --> 03:25:34.910
will the agenda clerk,
please call the roll.
03:25:36.700 --> 03:25:38.230
Commissioner Houck?
03:25:38.230 --> 03:25:39.731
Yes.
03:25:39.731 --> 03:25:41.659
Commissioner Shiroma.
03:25:41.659 --> 03:25:42.492
Aye.
03:25:43.422 --> 03:25:45.200
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:25:45.200 --> 03:25:46.033
Yes.
03:25:47.380 --> 03:25:49.340
Commissioner Guzman Acevez?
03:25:49.340 --> 03:25:50.923
Aye.
03:25:50.923 --> 03:25:52.683
President Batjer?
03:25:52.683 --> 03:25:54.460
Aye, thank you all.
03:25:54.460 --> 03:25:58.050
The item Number 30 passes unanimously,
03:25:58.050 --> 03:25:59.880
I'm moving to item 31.
03:25:59.880 --> 03:26:03.513
This is related to item
23 on the regular agenda,
03:26:04.750 --> 03:26:06.320
and it will be withdrawn
03:26:06.320 --> 03:26:11.320
as item 23 was voted
unanimously a few minutes ago.
03:26:12.910 --> 03:26:17.560
then moving on to item
32 and it will be withdrawn
03:26:17.560 --> 03:26:21.350
because it is related to
item 16, which was voted on,
03:26:21.350 --> 03:26:24.900
on the Consent Agenda
earlier this morning.
03:26:24.900 --> 03:26:27.100
So now moving on to item 33,
03:26:27.100 --> 03:26:29.773
that is to be presented
by Commissioner Houck.
03:26:31.210 --> 03:26:32.790
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:26:32.790 --> 03:26:35.930
This is an order extending
the statutory deadline
03:26:35.930 --> 03:26:41.000
of rule making R14-08-013,
03:26:41.000 --> 03:26:43.610
the distribution resource
plans rule making
03:26:43.610 --> 03:26:46.500
and related utility applications.
03:26:46.500 --> 03:26:51.500
The extension is for four
months to November 8th, 2021.
03:26:51.520 --> 03:26:52.960
As I announced earlier today,
03:26:52.960 --> 03:26:55.180
the Commission is in the process
03:26:55.180 --> 03:26:56.800
of closing these proceedings
03:26:56.800 --> 03:27:01.110
and voted open as successor proceeding
03:27:01.110 --> 03:27:02.360
just a few moments ago.
03:27:02.360 --> 03:27:04.610
So a short extension here is needed
03:27:04.610 --> 03:27:09.610
in order to provide adequate
time for the Commission
03:27:10.230 --> 03:27:13.300
to issue and consider a decision closing
03:27:13.300 --> 03:27:14.770
these older proceedings out.
03:27:14.770 --> 03:27:15.603
And with that,
03:27:15.603 --> 03:27:18.260
I ask for your support on the extension
03:27:18.260 --> 03:27:21.163
for the statutory deadline
in this proceeding.
03:27:25.440 --> 03:27:27.150
Okay, thank you.
03:27:27.150 --> 03:27:30.320
Are there any questions or comments?
03:27:30.320 --> 03:27:31.153
Okay, seeing none,
03:27:31.153 --> 03:27:33.243
will the agenda clerk
please call the roll.
03:27:34.080 --> 03:27:35.333
Commissioner Houck?
03:27:36.350 --> 03:27:37.183
Yes.
03:27:38.366 --> 03:27:40.370
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:27:40.370 --> 03:27:41.203
Aye.
03:27:42.190 --> 03:27:44.350
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:27:44.350 --> 03:27:45.183
Yes.
03:27:46.840 --> 03:27:48.263
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:27:49.270 --> 03:27:50.640
Aye.
03:27:50.640 --> 03:27:52.370
President Batjer?
03:27:52.370 --> 03:27:53.390
Aye.
03:27:53.390 --> 03:27:56.917
Item number 33 passes
unanimously, thank you all.
03:27:57.930 --> 03:27:59.820
Now moving on to item 34,
03:27:59.820 --> 03:28:03.777
which will be presented by
Commissioner Guzman Acevez.
03:28:05.260 --> 03:28:06.093
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:28:06.093 --> 03:28:09.600
This item is extending the deadline
03:28:09.600 --> 03:28:13.860
for the managing meter
proceedings 2.0 and not 3.0
03:28:13.860 --> 03:28:18.400
as referred to it and that's
rule making 14-07-02.
03:28:18.400 --> 03:28:20.620
And this will give us
some time to consider
03:28:20.620 --> 03:28:22.210
depending proposed decision
03:28:22.210 --> 03:28:26.980
regarding the solar
consumer assistance fund
03:28:26.980 --> 03:28:29.680
until October of this year.
03:28:29.680 --> 03:28:32.790
And really we're just
waiting to see the outcome
03:28:32.790 --> 03:28:37.790
of this year's budget to
see if this PD still necessary.
03:28:38.640 --> 03:28:39.473
Thank you.
03:28:42.240 --> 03:28:43.470
Thank you.
03:28:43.470 --> 03:28:44.330
Any questions
03:28:45.570 --> 03:28:47.010
on Commissioner Guzman Acevez?
03:28:47.010 --> 03:28:49.360
Seeing none, will the
agenda clerk please call the roll
03:28:49.360 --> 03:28:50.943
on item 34.
03:28:52.110 --> 03:28:53.880
Commissioner Houck?
03:28:53.880 --> 03:28:54.713
Yes.
03:28:56.120 --> 03:28:58.090
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:28:58.090 --> 03:28:58.923
Aye.
03:28:59.890 --> 03:29:02.000
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:29:02.000 --> 03:29:02.833
Yes.
03:29:04.387 --> 03:29:06.440
[Clerk] Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:29:06.440 --> 03:29:07.830
Aye.
03:29:07.830 --> 03:29:10.050
And President Batjer?
03:29:10.050 --> 03:29:10.883
Aye.
03:29:10.883 --> 03:29:13.440
Item 34 passes unanimously.
03:29:13.440 --> 03:29:14.500
Thank you all very much.
03:29:14.500 --> 03:29:19.270
That finalizes the regular agenda items.
03:29:19.270 --> 03:29:21.270
Given the hour,
03:29:21.270 --> 03:29:24.130
we are going to take a
shorter break than normally.
03:29:24.130 --> 03:29:27.100
We're gonna take a 30 minute break.
03:29:27.100 --> 03:29:31.113
So let's be back at 2:20.
03:29:32.400 --> 03:29:34.070
Okay, thank you all very much.
03:29:34.070 --> 03:29:34.903
Short break.
03:29:38.730 --> 03:29:40.130
Shiroma is on the telephone.
03:29:41.060 --> 03:29:42.363
Are you all hooked up?
03:29:44.026 --> 03:29:44.859
Genevieve?
03:29:47.570 --> 03:29:50.526
Yes, thank
you President Batjer.
03:29:50.526 --> 03:29:51.693
Okay, great.
03:29:55.160 --> 03:29:56.820
Operator?
03:29:56.820 --> 03:29:58.633
Are you ready to go?
03:30:01.170 --> 03:30:02.303
Yes ma'am.
03:30:03.754 --> 03:30:05.260
We're live.
03:30:05.260 --> 03:30:08.363
So I can tell by your
voice you're not Holly.
03:30:11.110 --> 03:30:13.660
No, ma'am,
my name's Calvin.
03:30:13.660 --> 03:30:14.493
Okay.
03:30:16.950 --> 03:30:18.640
All right, well, the
Commissioners are already,
03:30:18.640 --> 03:30:21.163
so I think we can begin....
03:30:22.700 --> 03:30:23.550
Hang on a second.
03:30:32.290 --> 03:30:34.790
You said we are already
live, so we're good to go?
03:30:36.000 --> 03:30:38.240
Yes, ma'am
we are already live.
03:30:38.240 --> 03:30:40.050
Okay, thank you.
03:30:40.050 --> 03:30:44.030
So I will ask the agenda
clerk to please call the roll
03:30:44.030 --> 03:30:48.800
as we reconvene the
Commission meeting today
03:30:48.800 --> 03:30:52.470
and commence with our agenda items.
03:30:52.470 --> 03:30:54.020
Would you please call the roll.
03:30:55.270 --> 03:30:56.553
Commissioner Houck?
03:30:58.108 --> 03:30:59.742
Here.
03:30:59.742 --> 03:31:02.325
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:31:05.837 --> 03:31:07.587
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:31:16.829 --> 03:31:18.579
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:31:25.920 --> 03:31:27.410
I will send her a note.
03:31:52.580 --> 03:31:56.620
Okay, let's go ahead
and continue the role
03:31:56.620 --> 03:31:58.740
because we can establish a quorum.
03:31:58.740 --> 03:32:01.443
I just sent her a note,
but let's go ahead.
03:32:03.545 --> 03:32:06.083
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:32:06.083 --> 03:32:06.916
Present.
03:32:08.517 --> 03:32:10.550
Commissioner Guzman Acevez?
03:32:10.550 --> 03:32:11.383
Here.
03:32:12.432 --> 03:32:13.265
President Batjer?
03:32:14.410 --> 03:32:15.243
Here.
03:32:15.243 --> 03:32:16.780
So we have established a quorum
03:32:18.560 --> 03:32:21.290
with Commissioner Rechtschaffen
and Commissioner Houck,
03:32:21.290 --> 03:32:23.760
Commissioner Guzman Acevez and myself.
03:32:23.760 --> 03:32:25.640
Commissioner Shiroma is on the phone.
03:32:25.640 --> 03:32:27.640
and she may be having some difficulties.
03:32:29.387 --> 03:32:32.120
We will now turn to the
next item on our agenda
03:32:32.120 --> 03:32:34.053
and that's management reports.
03:32:35.220 --> 03:32:38.400
There is no report for item 37
03:32:38.400 --> 03:32:39.920
manager afforded discussion
03:32:39.920 --> 03:32:43.570
on recent consumer
protection and safety activities.
03:32:43.570 --> 03:32:47.680
Moving now to item 38,
management report and discussion
03:32:47.680 --> 03:32:49.970
on administrative activities.
03:32:49.970 --> 03:32:51.630
We do have a report
03:32:51.630 --> 03:32:56.150
on the Wildfire Safety
Division transition to the office
03:32:56.150 --> 03:32:58.620
of Energy Infrastructure Safety
03:32:58.620 --> 03:33:01.600
at the California Resource Agency.
03:33:01.600 --> 03:33:02.570
I will now turn
03:33:02.570 --> 03:33:04.870
to Executive Director Rachel Peterson
03:33:04.870 --> 03:33:08.663
to introduce Director
Caroline Thomas Jacobs.
03:33:09.670 --> 03:33:11.730
Rachel are you on?
03:33:11.730 --> 03:33:13.570
President
Batjer sorry to interrupt.
03:33:13.570 --> 03:33:15.740
This is Commissioner Genevieve Shiroma,
03:33:15.740 --> 03:33:18.010
I'm back online, thank you.
03:33:18.010 --> 03:33:19.660
Okay.
Thank you.
03:33:19.660 --> 03:33:22.050
All right, very well, so noted.
03:33:22.050 --> 03:33:23.416
Okay, thank you.
03:33:23.416 --> 03:33:26.523
Now over to Rachel Peterson.
03:33:28.030 --> 03:33:28.863
Good afternoon.
03:33:28.863 --> 03:33:31.523
Thank you President
Batjer and Commissioners.
03:33:32.700 --> 03:33:36.710
I'm actually gonna
give a short slide first.
03:33:36.710 --> 03:33:39.823
If you could go to the
next slide, please Robert.
03:33:43.930 --> 03:33:45.400
And actually this following.
03:33:45.400 --> 03:33:46.363
Yes, thank you.
03:33:47.420 --> 03:33:51.810
We are one week away from
a very important transition.
03:33:51.810 --> 03:33:54.100
As you noted, the
Wildfire Safety Division
03:33:54.100 --> 03:33:58.240
will be come a new
state agency on July 1st.
03:33:58.240 --> 03:34:00.550
Those Wildfire Safety Advisory board
03:34:00.550 --> 03:34:04.120
will also transition to the new agency.
03:34:04.120 --> 03:34:07.870
I'm going to give a few
remarks about the CPUC's role
03:34:07.870 --> 03:34:10.100
leading up to this transition
03:34:10.100 --> 03:34:13.260
and then Director Caroline Thomas Jacobs
03:34:13.260 --> 03:34:14.910
will present about the office
03:34:14.910 --> 03:34:17.410
of Energy, Infrastructure Safety,
03:34:17.410 --> 03:34:20.713
which will stand up on July
1st, one week from today.
03:34:21.660 --> 03:34:26.320
We are working collectively
under the mandate of AB 1054
03:34:26.320 --> 03:34:30.700
and AB 111, which set
the scope of responsibility
03:34:30.700 --> 03:34:33.100
for the wildfire safety decision,
03:34:33.100 --> 03:34:35.843
and also ordered this
transition to take place.
03:34:37.480 --> 03:34:39.400
I am hearing a little bit of feedback
03:34:40.464 --> 03:34:41.820
or is it just me?
03:34:41.820 --> 03:34:43.403
No, I am too.
03:34:45.050 --> 03:34:45.883
I'm hearing.
03:34:45.883 --> 03:34:48.973
I don't know if everyone's
muted, perhaps not.
03:34:51.440 --> 03:34:52.603
Let's try that first.
03:34:53.600 --> 03:34:56.470
Please mute your phones
if you're not speaking,
03:34:56.470 --> 03:34:58.720
and Rachel is the only one
currently that's speaking.
03:34:58.720 --> 03:35:00.820
So everybody else
please mute your phones.
03:35:04.600 --> 03:35:06.350
Right, thank you.
03:35:06.350 --> 03:35:09.600
So on this slide, I wanted
to show the activities
03:35:09.600 --> 03:35:13.020
that we have done at the CPUC from 2019,
03:35:13.020 --> 03:35:15.410
up until this point of transition
03:35:15.410 --> 03:35:18.840
and then touch on a little
bit of what my expectations
03:35:18.840 --> 03:35:21.463
and hopes are for after the transition.
03:35:22.360 --> 03:35:24.690
So from 2019, until today,
03:35:24.690 --> 03:35:29.070
the CPUC started up
the welfare safety division
03:35:29.070 --> 03:35:32.610
with its focus on one of
our top safety priorities,
03:35:32.610 --> 03:35:36.090
which is to reduce the
risk of wildfires ignited
03:35:36.090 --> 03:35:38.233
by electric utility equipment.
03:35:39.160 --> 03:35:40.470
From across the Commission
03:35:40.470 --> 03:35:42.910
this was really a collective effort.
03:35:42.910 --> 03:35:46.320
Teams of employees
worked to set up the first tools
03:35:46.320 --> 03:35:50.430
and processes to meet
the mandates of AB 1054.
03:35:50.430 --> 03:35:55.430
Just a few examples are
the six revolutions each year,
03:35:55.600 --> 03:35:57.980
evaluating each electric utilities
03:35:57.980 --> 03:36:00.270
wildfire mitigation plans,
03:36:00.270 --> 03:36:03.330
the framework for the safety
culture assessment process
03:36:03.330 --> 03:36:05.460
that will address wildfire
03:36:05.460 --> 03:36:09.300
and a push to improve
the utilities execution
03:36:09.300 --> 03:36:11.363
of public safety power shut off.
03:36:12.600 --> 03:36:14.930
The CPUC also supported the standup
03:36:14.930 --> 03:36:17.510
of the wildfire safety advisory board,
03:36:17.510 --> 03:36:21.560
including legal process
and analytical support
03:36:21.560 --> 03:36:23.180
to ensure that the board members
03:36:23.180 --> 03:36:26.770
can meet their own
responsibilities and mandate.
03:36:26.770 --> 03:36:29.350
Importantly, we helped the board pivot
03:36:29.350 --> 03:36:32.340
to virtual meetings in March, 2020
03:36:32.340 --> 03:36:35.180
when the emergency stay at
home orders went into effect
03:36:35.180 --> 03:36:36.793
because of COVID-19.
03:36:38.300 --> 03:36:41.830
Now shifting to the
much more recent past
03:36:41.830 --> 03:36:45.050
in these last few months
and weeks and days,
03:36:45.050 --> 03:36:48.030
the CPUC's internal operations teams
03:36:48.030 --> 03:36:50.730
have played a large
role in setting the stage
03:36:50.730 --> 03:36:52.300
for the transition.
03:36:52.300 --> 03:36:56.210
Our IT, human
resources, fiscal facilities,
03:36:56.210 --> 03:36:59.640
and other core teams have
been preparing all of the myriad
03:36:59.640 --> 03:37:02.540
and complicated items and protocols
03:37:02.540 --> 03:37:06.073
that will happen on July
1st to transition the division.
03:37:08.090 --> 03:37:09.850
And now just to touch on
03:37:09.850 --> 03:37:12.340
a little bit of after July one,
03:37:12.340 --> 03:37:15.970
Director Thomas Jacobs and
I, along with many other people
03:37:15.970 --> 03:37:19.190
have also been working on a
memorandum of understanding
03:37:19.190 --> 03:37:22.070
for our continued collaboration.
03:37:22.070 --> 03:37:24.207
The reality is that the CPUC
03:37:24.207 --> 03:37:27.500
and the office of Energy
Infrastructure Safety
03:37:27.500 --> 03:37:29.870
have very closely aligned missions.
03:37:29.870 --> 03:37:32.010
And so we all understand the need
03:37:32.010 --> 03:37:34.500
to continue that collaboration.
03:37:34.500 --> 03:37:37.690
From my perspective,
it's particularly important
03:37:37.690 --> 03:37:39.370
in two areas.
03:37:39.370 --> 03:37:43.470
First understanding the cost
of wildfire mitigation plans
03:37:43.470 --> 03:37:47.060
and the impact of those
costs on customer rates.
03:37:47.060 --> 03:37:51.540
Second collaborating closely
on matters of enforcement.
03:37:51.540 --> 03:37:54.380
Those go to the heart of the CPUCs
03:37:54.380 --> 03:37:58.220
and the new OEIS shared mission
03:37:58.220 --> 03:38:02.763
of reducing utility ignited
wildfire risk in California.
03:38:04.220 --> 03:38:07.700
I just wanna add a personal
and professional note
03:38:07.700 --> 03:38:10.350
about Director Thomas Jacobs.
03:38:10.350 --> 03:38:13.040
I have worked closely with
her in the past two years,
03:38:13.040 --> 03:38:16.670
and I can attest directly to her drive
03:38:16.670 --> 03:38:19.060
toward a safer California.
03:38:19.060 --> 03:38:22.110
She sets very high
expectations for herself,
03:38:22.110 --> 03:38:24.680
and she sets the same high expectations
03:38:24.680 --> 03:38:27.020
for utilities as well.
03:38:27.020 --> 03:38:30.310
I worked closely with her
to oversee PG&E's progress
03:38:30.310 --> 03:38:31.290
towards improvements
03:38:31.290 --> 03:38:35.050
in how they execute
public safety power shut off.
03:38:35.050 --> 03:38:36.870
And quite honestly I learned a lot
03:38:36.870 --> 03:38:39.550
from her emergency response expertise
03:38:39.550 --> 03:38:41.400
that she brought to the table,
03:38:41.400 --> 03:38:44.630
but also saw how she directly engaged
03:38:44.630 --> 03:38:49.100
and pressed PG&E into
improving their execution.
03:38:49.100 --> 03:38:51.780
And it's that kind of
impact that I fully know
03:38:51.780 --> 03:38:54.360
that Director Thomas
Jacobs will continue to have
03:38:54.360 --> 03:38:58.170
at the new office of
Energy Infrastructure Safety.
03:38:58.170 --> 03:39:01.120
I feel lucky, honestly, as a Californian
03:39:01.120 --> 03:39:03.203
to have her as a leader in our states.
03:39:04.840 --> 03:39:07.200
And as pass the mic to her,
03:39:07.200 --> 03:39:11.500
I am proud of the CPUCs
contribution in the last two years
03:39:11.500 --> 03:39:15.080
to the standup of a
successful new division.
03:39:15.080 --> 03:39:17.860
I am sad to see the division depart,
03:39:17.860 --> 03:39:19.660
but I'm also proud
03:39:19.660 --> 03:39:23.200
of what I know will be a
highly successful new agency
03:39:23.200 --> 03:39:26.123
under Director Thomas
Jacobs' leadership.
03:39:27.200 --> 03:39:28.763
Caroline, over to you.
03:39:31.720 --> 03:39:33.633
Thank you,
Executive Director Peterson.
03:39:33.633 --> 03:39:36.400
I really appreciate those kind words.
03:39:36.400 --> 03:39:37.940
So thank you.
03:39:37.940 --> 03:39:40.640
Good afternoon President
Batjer and Commissioners.
03:39:40.640 --> 03:39:42.400
Thank you for the
opportunity to speak today
03:39:42.400 --> 03:39:45.560
on the transition of the
Wildfire Safety Division.
03:39:45.560 --> 03:39:46.930
I'll provide a high-level update
03:39:46.930 --> 03:39:48.990
on the status of our transition,
03:39:48.990 --> 03:39:52.330
our plan for the ongoing
coordination with the Commission
03:39:52.330 --> 03:39:55.060
and of course to answer
any questions you may have.
03:39:55.060 --> 03:39:56.740
As we are all quite aware at this point,
03:39:56.740 --> 03:39:58.090
next Thursday, July one,
03:39:58.090 --> 03:39:59.570
the division is set to transfer
03:39:59.570 --> 03:40:02.070
over to the Natural Resources Agency
03:40:02.070 --> 03:40:03.790
and become a new department called
03:40:03.790 --> 03:40:05.640
the Office of Energy
Infrastructure Safety,
03:40:05.640 --> 03:40:08.500
what we have begun to refer to as OEIS,
03:40:08.500 --> 03:40:10.540
or Energy Safety for short.
03:40:10.540 --> 03:40:13.530
For the sake of brevity
during my remarks today,
03:40:13.530 --> 03:40:16.320
I'll refer to it as Energy Safety.
03:40:16.320 --> 03:40:18.110
I'm not gonna go into all the details
03:40:18.110 --> 03:40:20.830
of what it took to get
to a us to this point,
03:40:20.830 --> 03:40:25.420
suffice it to say it took a
small village to get us here.
03:40:25.420 --> 03:40:27.580
Since the establishment of the division
03:40:27.580 --> 03:40:30.010
back in January, 2020,
03:40:30.010 --> 03:40:33.050
we've been thinking about
and planning for this transition.
03:40:33.050 --> 03:40:36.460
At the time I focused our
efforts on building our team,
03:40:36.460 --> 03:40:39.640
establishing our procedures
and procuring all the tools,
03:40:39.640 --> 03:40:43.250
equipment, and systems
we needed to do our job.
03:40:43.250 --> 03:40:46.830
Within each of these areas,
people, procedures, systems,
03:40:46.830 --> 03:40:49.280
we prioritized building the division
03:40:49.280 --> 03:40:52.850
with ideally the
ability to take it with us.
03:40:52.850 --> 03:40:53.683
Second,
03:40:53.683 --> 03:40:56.850
the ability to transfer into
an other existing process
03:40:56.850 --> 03:40:58.870
over at natural resources
03:40:58.870 --> 03:41:00.480
or lastly with the knowledge
03:41:00.480 --> 03:41:04.170
that we might need to redo
or rebuild some capabilities
03:41:04.170 --> 03:41:06.280
over at resources.
03:41:06.280 --> 03:41:08.930
This approach has meant
that we have been planning for
03:41:08.930 --> 03:41:11.980
and executing our
transition right from the start
03:41:11.980 --> 03:41:14.880
to ensure that we have a
smooth and successful transition.
03:41:16.260 --> 03:41:18.850
At this point, we are
in the very final stages
03:41:18.850 --> 03:41:21.210
of executing our transition plan.
03:41:21.210 --> 03:41:25.110
The transfer of our people,
specifically our positions
03:41:25.110 --> 03:41:28.270
and our budget is on track
to transfer effective July, one
03:41:28.270 --> 03:41:30.150
with the new fiscal year.
03:41:30.150 --> 03:41:34.360
We've prepared agreements
as a Director Peterson mentioned
03:41:34.360 --> 03:41:38.280
to facilitate our transfer and
maintain active coordination
03:41:38.280 --> 03:41:41.750
in collaboration with both
the Commission and CAL Fire.
03:41:41.750 --> 03:41:44.240
Specifically, we have a
memorandum of understanding
03:41:44.240 --> 03:41:45.564
or an MOU
03:41:45.564 --> 03:41:47.370
that we're gonna have
with both departments
03:41:47.370 --> 03:41:50.070
and are executing
inter-agency agreements
03:41:50.070 --> 03:41:52.870
for HR services and
remaining transition items
03:41:52.870 --> 03:41:55.003
between the Commission
and energy safety.
03:41:55.930 --> 03:41:59.320
We have also had ongoing
communication since March
03:41:59.320 --> 03:42:00.920
directly with our state partners,
03:42:00.920 --> 03:42:04.630
the utilities and public
stakeholders about the transition,
03:42:04.630 --> 03:42:07.350
including hosting a
public meeting last week
03:42:07.350 --> 03:42:09.890
to answer any remaining questions.
03:42:09.890 --> 03:42:10.840
Next slide, please.
03:42:14.060 --> 03:42:16.930
A few comments about the
structure of Energy Safety,
03:42:16.930 --> 03:42:18.130
We will be headquartered
03:42:18.130 --> 03:42:20.520
in the new natural resources building
03:42:20.520 --> 03:42:23.400
at 715 P street in Sacramento.
03:42:23.400 --> 03:42:26.010
Sacramento based staff will
move into the new building
03:42:26.010 --> 03:42:27.820
at the end of July.
03:42:27.820 --> 03:42:30.817
We will also have two regional
offices, one in the Bay Area,
03:42:30.817 --> 03:42:33.920
and one down in Los
Angeles later this year.
03:42:33.920 --> 03:42:35.250
Specific regional locations
03:42:35.250 --> 03:42:37.200
will be determined after the transition,
03:42:37.200 --> 03:42:40.530
since we're currently operating
in a remote environment.
03:42:40.530 --> 03:42:43.840
Staff email addresses
will change on July one.
03:42:43.840 --> 03:42:46.530
So if folks email our old addresses,
03:42:46.530 --> 03:42:49.500
you'll receive a bounce
back to our old addresses,
03:42:49.500 --> 03:42:52.260
but it will provide you
our new email address.
03:42:52.260 --> 03:42:54.970
And our new email
addresses for all staff
03:42:54.970 --> 03:42:57.630
will use the standard
domain state format
03:42:57.630 --> 03:43:00.590
of first name.last name
at our new domain,
03:43:00.590 --> 03:43:03.513
which is energysafety.ca.gov.
03:43:04.470 --> 03:43:06.210
This will also be our
new website address
03:43:06.210 --> 03:43:08.723
energysafety.ca.gov.
03:43:09.810 --> 03:43:11.760
All of this information is currently
03:43:11.760 --> 03:43:14.220
on our current wildfire
safety division webpage,
03:43:14.220 --> 03:43:16.740
and we'll stay up there
for a period of time
03:43:16.740 --> 03:43:19.010
to ensure that all
stakeholders can find us
03:43:19.010 --> 03:43:20.520
and our relevant documents
03:43:20.520 --> 03:43:22.870
like the wildfire mitigation plans.
03:43:22.870 --> 03:43:23.770
Next slide please.
03:43:26.410 --> 03:43:29.040
From day one we've
had three key priorities
03:43:29.040 --> 03:43:30.020
in our transition.
03:43:30.020 --> 03:43:31.130
First and foremost,
03:43:31.130 --> 03:43:33.570
we wanted to successfully
transition all of our people,
03:43:33.570 --> 03:43:35.550
procedures and systems
03:43:35.550 --> 03:43:38.560
while maintaining
continuity of operations.
03:43:38.560 --> 03:43:40.020
We are actively in the middle
03:43:40.020 --> 03:43:41.530
of several important work streams
03:43:41.530 --> 03:43:43.920
per our statutory responsibilities.
03:43:43.920 --> 03:43:46.750
Specifically, we will not
skip a beat in our evaluation
03:43:46.750 --> 03:43:49.440
of the 2021 wildfire mitigation plans,
03:43:49.440 --> 03:43:51.190
nor will we delay or interrupt
03:43:51.190 --> 03:43:53.290
our executive compensation
structure reviews,
03:43:53.290 --> 03:43:55.360
independent evaluator
report submissions,
03:43:55.360 --> 03:43:58.773
or finalizing the 2021
safety certification guidance.
03:43:59.840 --> 03:44:02.330
Lastly, we understand
and value the relationships
03:44:02.330 --> 03:44:04.090
we have built within the Commission
03:44:04.090 --> 03:44:05.550
on the various subject areas,
03:44:05.550 --> 03:44:07.360
in which we have a shared mission
03:44:07.360 --> 03:44:08.800
to drive oversight and safety.
03:44:08.800 --> 03:44:10.720
Through the formal agreements
03:44:10.720 --> 03:44:13.040
and our established
working relationships,
03:44:13.040 --> 03:44:14.290
we look forward to continuing
03:44:14.290 --> 03:44:15.347
to strengthen our coordination
03:44:15.347 --> 03:44:17.170
and collaboration with the Commission
03:44:17.170 --> 03:44:19.270
by maintaining regular
and ongoing communication
03:44:19.270 --> 03:44:20.383
on a number of items.
03:44:21.690 --> 03:44:25.210
On behalf of the Wildfire
Safety Division staff and myself,
03:44:25.210 --> 03:44:27.960
I would like to close
with a heartfelt thank you.
03:44:27.960 --> 03:44:29.810
It has been truly an honor and pleasure
03:44:29.810 --> 03:44:31.930
to work with the Commission,
staff and leadership
03:44:31.930 --> 03:44:33.860
over the past 18 months.
03:44:33.860 --> 03:44:36.120
We deeply value and
appreciate the engagement
03:44:36.120 --> 03:44:38.390
and support from across the Commission.
03:44:38.390 --> 03:44:41.890
There are too many people
to call out specific names,
03:44:41.890 --> 03:44:44.570
but that support came
from across all divisions
03:44:44.570 --> 03:44:45.820
within the Commission.
03:44:45.820 --> 03:44:47.990
From my team who
supported us from day one
03:44:47.990 --> 03:44:49.400
to get up and running as a division,
03:44:49.400 --> 03:44:51.780
and then played a huge
role in helping us transfer
03:44:51.780 --> 03:44:53.280
over to resources,
03:44:53.280 --> 03:44:55.900
to HR, helping us
hire our division staff
03:44:55.900 --> 03:44:59.490
all within the last year
under COVID conditions
03:44:59.490 --> 03:45:01.440
and is continuing to
play an important role
03:45:01.440 --> 03:45:04.340
in helping energy safety
get up and running,
03:45:04.340 --> 03:45:05.840
and legal who has helped us
03:45:05.840 --> 03:45:08.250
through all of the
complex legal questions
03:45:08.250 --> 03:45:11.760
and analysis in this
new regulatory space.
03:45:11.760 --> 03:45:13.660
And that's not even to
mention all the support
03:45:13.660 --> 03:45:16.450
and collaboration we've
had with safety policy,
03:45:16.450 --> 03:45:18.670
safety enforcement, energy division,
03:45:18.670 --> 03:45:20.920
communications, finance, admin,
03:45:20.920 --> 03:45:23.950
and the Executive
Director's Office as well.
03:45:23.950 --> 03:45:25.710
And of course, all of you Commissioners
03:45:25.710 --> 03:45:27.350
and President Batjer.
03:45:27.350 --> 03:45:30.163
Truly, truly appreciate
the time we've had here.
03:45:31.290 --> 03:45:35.350
We're looking forward to
re-engaging in our new roles,
03:45:35.350 --> 03:45:38.710
but it has been a true
pleasure to work with all of you
03:45:38.710 --> 03:45:40.720
under the division and
within the Commission.
03:45:40.720 --> 03:45:43.010
Thank you for your support
and I truly look forward
03:45:43.010 --> 03:45:46.200
to continuing our close
relationship going forward.
03:45:46.200 --> 03:45:48.190
With that, I would be happy
to answer any questions
03:45:48.190 --> 03:45:49.023
you may have.
03:45:50.250 --> 03:45:52.440
Before we get to questions.
03:45:52.440 --> 03:45:54.540
If I may just jump in and say,
03:45:54.540 --> 03:45:57.113
Caroline, I'm almost tearful right now.
03:45:57.957 --> 03:46:00.130
But as you know, for the last year,
03:46:00.130 --> 03:46:04.410
you and I have
frequently talked about this
03:46:04.410 --> 03:46:08.020
and you've planned so
beautifully as has your team.
03:46:08.020 --> 03:46:11.810
There's been, I mean, having
reorganized the departments
03:46:11.810 --> 03:46:13.160
and stood departments up,
03:46:13.160 --> 03:46:16.800
I know what a Herculean
effort it takes to do it well,
03:46:16.800 --> 03:46:20.180
and you have done it well, very well
03:46:20.180 --> 03:46:23.320
under some really
difficult circumstances.
03:46:23.320 --> 03:46:25.240
And I just wanna make sure
03:46:25.240 --> 03:46:27.510
that the team knows you and I plan,
03:46:27.510 --> 03:46:30.560
we've agreed we will
continue having our check-ins
03:46:31.740 --> 03:46:33.067
because there will be so many things
03:46:33.067 --> 03:46:36.203
that we have to
continue to collaborate on.
03:46:37.270 --> 03:46:39.930
Caroline knows that I'm concerned
03:46:39.930 --> 03:46:42.280
that there's some
built-in tension in the bill,
03:46:43.420 --> 03:46:47.140
how the bill was written
and unintended I'm sure.
03:46:47.140 --> 03:46:50.000
But still we're gonna do our mighty best
03:46:50.000 --> 03:46:53.370
to make sure that none
of that comes to fruition,
03:46:53.370 --> 03:46:55.560
that we have a smooth sailing
03:46:55.560 --> 03:47:00.050
for both the CPUC and the OEIS.
03:47:00.050 --> 03:47:02.190
So thank you so much, Caroline.
03:47:02.190 --> 03:47:04.010
And we're not saying goodbye.
03:47:04.010 --> 03:47:05.630
I'll just gonna say that.
03:47:05.630 --> 03:47:07.860
So now I'm gonna turn
to the Commissioners
03:47:07.860 --> 03:47:10.010
and see if there are
any questions for you.
03:47:12.160 --> 03:47:13.110
Commissioner Houck.
03:47:15.430 --> 03:47:18.970
I just wanna echo
President Batjer's comments
03:47:18.970 --> 03:47:21.260
and just have been very impressed with
03:47:21.260 --> 03:47:22.900
how everybody has come together
03:47:22.900 --> 03:47:26.360
in the work you've been
doing on the transition
03:47:26.360 --> 03:47:29.210
and feel that we've been
very lucky to have you
03:47:29.210 --> 03:47:30.610
as part of the CPUC.
03:47:30.610 --> 03:47:33.700
And I look forward to
continuing to work with you
03:47:33.700 --> 03:47:34.790
in your new role.
03:47:34.790 --> 03:47:37.993
So thank you for this
presentation and all of your work.
03:47:42.409 --> 03:47:45.520
Well, you may not
know this Caroline,
03:47:45.520 --> 03:47:48.330
but I was in court earlier this morning,
03:47:48.330 --> 03:47:51.280
filing an injunction to
keep you from moving
03:47:51.280 --> 03:47:52.280
the resources later.
03:47:53.960 --> 03:47:56.810
We'll know the outcome of
that litigation this afternoon.
03:47:58.666 --> 03:47:59.816
You don't mind, do you?
03:48:01.630 --> 03:48:02.463
No, sir.
03:48:05.090 --> 03:48:07.070
Well, that just shows you
how much we're gonna miss you
03:48:07.070 --> 03:48:08.560
and how valuable you've been.
03:48:10.160 --> 03:48:14.530
I think you came to the
Commission at a critical time
03:48:14.530 --> 03:48:16.670
when the risks of wildfire,
03:48:16.670 --> 03:48:20.210
utility costs wildfires were
at perhaps their height,
03:48:20.210 --> 03:48:24.073
confidence in the utility's
ability to deal with them
03:48:24.073 --> 03:48:26.130
at a low point.
03:48:26.130 --> 03:48:29.460
And we were really challenged
as the PUC to step up our game
03:48:29.460 --> 03:48:32.510
and to address the
challenges that we needed to,
03:48:32.510 --> 03:48:37.510
to really take wildfire safety
and wildfire risk management
03:48:38.440 --> 03:48:43.343
to a much higher, more
professional, more systematic level.
03:48:44.823 --> 03:48:47.230
It came upon us in a
rush the past few years
03:48:47.230 --> 03:48:49.690
because of the
intensity of the wildfires,
03:48:49.690 --> 03:48:52.060
the frequency with which
they were happening,
03:48:52.060 --> 03:48:54.400
the scale on the devastation.
03:48:54.400 --> 03:48:58.584
And we're doing more
than any utility Commission
03:48:58.584 --> 03:48:59.417
in the country on this
03:48:59.417 --> 03:49:01.730
but still it was novel for us.
03:49:01.730 --> 03:49:04.040
So your professionalism,
03:49:04.040 --> 03:49:07.950
your incredible organization,
your calmness, your diligence,
03:49:07.950 --> 03:49:09.393
your collaboration,
03:49:10.760 --> 03:49:14.010
just your uber competence
was exactly what we needed
03:49:14.010 --> 03:49:17.540
to get our stuff together
03:49:17.540 --> 03:49:20.940
and to push the utilities
to keep doing more,
03:49:20.940 --> 03:49:24.310
to adopt very sophisticated,
03:49:24.310 --> 03:49:27.290
much more sophisticated
approaches to wildfire safety,
03:49:27.290 --> 03:49:30.280
including maturity matrix model,
03:49:30.280 --> 03:49:32.280
and a whole host of other efforts
03:49:32.280 --> 03:49:35.020
that really are not in
day from where they were
03:49:35.020 --> 03:49:36.260
two or three or four years ago.
03:49:36.260 --> 03:49:38.420
So we're very, very grateful to you
03:49:38.420 --> 03:49:41.200
and look forward to
continuing to collaborate
03:49:41.200 --> 03:49:42.600
with you going forward.
03:49:44.910 --> 03:49:47.670
And I think I see Martha.
03:49:47.670 --> 03:49:49.960
Commissioner Guzman Acevez, yes please.
03:49:49.960 --> 03:49:52.840
Well Commissioner
Rechtschaffen said it so well too,
03:49:52.840 --> 03:49:56.420
but just the organizational management
03:49:56.420 --> 03:49:58.110
that you brought to this issue
03:49:59.600 --> 03:50:02.740
and really you're not only helping us
03:50:02.740 --> 03:50:04.070
in our accountability metrics,
03:50:04.070 --> 03:50:07.250
but you're showing the
utilities how to organize
03:50:07.250 --> 03:50:10.740
and prioritize to be a
risk-based organization.
03:50:10.740 --> 03:50:12.963
And you have made us all safer.
03:50:14.140 --> 03:50:19.040
Calling out just the level
of detail all the way up
03:50:19.040 --> 03:50:20.610
to kind of a systems approach
03:50:20.610 --> 03:50:23.363
and looking at investments
in a more holistic way,
03:50:24.890 --> 03:50:27.260
It's not anything we're
gonna lose as Marybel said,
03:50:27.260 --> 03:50:29.810
we're gonna have it,
it's going to continue.
03:50:29.810 --> 03:50:33.870
But personally it will be sad to miss,
03:50:33.870 --> 03:50:35.627
to finally we're gonna
finally get to see each other
03:50:35.627 --> 03:50:37.227
in the office each day.
03:50:39.540 --> 03:50:42.450
I just so appreciate who
you are and what you bring
03:50:42.450 --> 03:50:44.820
and the perspective that
you've brought to all of this.
03:50:44.820 --> 03:50:49.020
And amidst all the covered conductors
03:50:49.020 --> 03:50:51.140
you bought so much humanity to it,
03:50:51.140 --> 03:50:54.780
and always just so
centered in your work.
03:50:54.780 --> 03:50:57.413
So thank you for doing this,
03:50:58.536 --> 03:51:01.023
as President Batjer
says for all California.
03:51:03.420 --> 03:51:05.320
I hope Wayne gives you a good window
03:51:05.320 --> 03:51:07.138
'cause I don't think
you're getting off soon.
03:51:07.138 --> 03:51:09.388
(laughing)
03:51:10.853 --> 03:51:12.680
President Batjer?
03:51:12.680 --> 03:51:14.110
Yes, yes.
03:51:14.110 --> 03:51:15.770
And I think Commissioner Shiroma
03:51:15.770 --> 03:51:17.850
would like to say something.
03:51:17.850 --> 03:51:19.670
Yes, thank you.
03:51:19.670 --> 03:51:23.817
I'm not sure how many
folks are aware of the values.
03:51:25.100 --> 03:51:28.000
It's on our website at the CPUC,
03:51:28.000 --> 03:51:32.580
but essentially what
we work to accomplish
03:51:32.580 --> 03:51:36.653
is of course, accountability,
excellence, integrity,
03:51:38.980 --> 03:51:41.433
very good communications, stewardship,
03:51:42.460 --> 03:51:45.050
and Caroline, you and your team
03:51:45.050 --> 03:51:48.880
have exemplified these core values
03:51:49.890 --> 03:51:53.533
and to the viewing audience,
03:51:55.481 --> 03:51:59.110
the sophistication,
the kinds of tools,
03:51:59.110 --> 03:52:04.110
the best state of the
art types of efforts
03:52:04.760 --> 03:52:09.233
that involve people,
power, software tools,
03:52:10.100 --> 03:52:12.990
hardware, knowledge.
03:52:12.990 --> 03:52:15.630
I mean, all of these things
that go into the safety
03:52:15.630 --> 03:52:18.160
of our infrastructure
and the safety system,
03:52:18.160 --> 03:52:20.840
these are all things that Caroline
03:52:20.840 --> 03:52:24.430
and her team have
embraced and are experts on.
03:52:24.430 --> 03:52:27.250
So I know that we are
in good hands, Caroline,
03:52:27.250 --> 03:52:31.700
with you going over to
the resources agency,
03:52:31.700 --> 03:52:34.430
and I'm very appreciative
that the good communication
03:52:34.430 --> 03:52:38.800
will continue not only with
the CPUC, but with the public.
03:52:38.800 --> 03:52:42.460
Thank you and back you President Batjer.
03:52:42.460 --> 03:52:44.330
Okay, great, thank you.
03:52:44.330 --> 03:52:46.720
Caroline, I think you had
something else you wanted to say.
03:52:46.720 --> 03:52:48.190
Yeah, I just wanted to respond.
03:52:48.190 --> 03:52:50.640
One, just want to really
appreciate the kind words.
03:52:50.640 --> 03:52:52.730
I will be sure to pass
it onto the full team
03:52:52.730 --> 03:52:57.730
'cause I wanted to say I have
a great, amazing team with me
03:52:58.290 --> 03:52:59.900
that's doing the work.
03:52:59.900 --> 03:53:01.320
Actually, many of them today
03:53:01.320 --> 03:53:02.800
are probably not even able to watch this
03:53:02.800 --> 03:53:04.820
'cause they're literally
handing in their computers
03:53:04.820 --> 03:53:08.300
to get them re-imaging over
the weekend to become OEIS,
03:53:08.300 --> 03:53:10.070
so they can't even see this right now.
03:53:10.070 --> 03:53:13.100
but I do wanna say it's
been an amazing team.
03:53:13.100 --> 03:53:16.200
The folks that they
there's a level of passion
03:53:16.200 --> 03:53:18.960
and focus on safety
03:53:18.960 --> 03:53:23.780
and truly driving it with all
the mechanisms that we have.
03:53:23.780 --> 03:53:28.050
And I've been extremely
impressed with the sheer quantity,
03:53:28.050 --> 03:53:30.560
but more importantly
the quality of the work
03:53:30.560 --> 03:53:32.550
that they've been able to produce
03:53:32.550 --> 03:53:34.480
over the course of the last year.
03:53:34.480 --> 03:53:35.650
While most of them,
03:53:35.650 --> 03:53:38.890
literally, I think six
seventh of the team
03:53:38.890 --> 03:53:42.510
were hired remotely all
under COVID conditions.
03:53:42.510 --> 03:53:44.060
We shipped them a computer and a phone
03:53:44.060 --> 03:53:45.630
and said welcome to the team.
03:53:45.630 --> 03:53:48.550
And yet they were able
to produce and collaborate
03:53:48.550 --> 03:53:50.960
and coordinate and really
do some deep thinking
03:53:50.960 --> 03:53:51.793
on these issues.
03:53:51.793 --> 03:53:54.490
So just wanna acknowledge
all the work that they've done.
03:53:54.490 --> 03:53:56.310
It's been a true honor
to get to work with them
03:53:56.310 --> 03:53:59.670
and definitely looking
forward to continuing
03:53:59.670 --> 03:54:04.120
to work with all of
you on a regular basis
03:54:04.120 --> 03:54:06.610
in this shared mission
to drive a reduction
03:54:06.610 --> 03:54:10.560
in the risk of catastrophic
utility related wildfire.
03:54:10.560 --> 03:54:14.250
So really appreciate the
collaboration and support.
03:54:14.250 --> 03:54:15.083
Thank you.
03:54:16.940 --> 03:54:19.580
Thanks again, Caroline.
03:54:19.580 --> 03:54:21.770
Rachel I think you're still on.
03:54:21.770 --> 03:54:25.280
Did you have some something
else you wanted to say?
03:54:25.280 --> 03:54:27.240
No, that was terrific.
03:54:27.240 --> 03:54:29.110
Thank you all for your comments.
03:54:29.110 --> 03:54:32.920
And I share all the
sentiments about Caroline
03:54:32.920 --> 03:54:33.753
and the division.
03:54:33.753 --> 03:54:35.800
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:54:35.800 --> 03:54:37.547
Yes, thank you.
03:54:37.547 --> 03:54:41.200
And do Caroline, please pass along
03:54:41.200 --> 03:54:45.830
all of our heartfelt appreciation
and respect to your team.
03:54:45.830 --> 03:54:46.870
Incredible.
03:54:46.870 --> 03:54:49.440
I mean, just one,
03:54:49.440 --> 03:54:52.570
P&GE's two volumes
of wildfire mitigation
03:54:52.570 --> 03:54:54.440
is a ways, 120 pounds.
03:54:54.440 --> 03:54:56.100
It's unbelievable.
03:54:56.100 --> 03:54:59.455
I said to Caroline,
did you read all this?
03:54:59.455 --> 03:55:01.538
(laughs)
03:55:02.770 --> 03:55:04.150
It's overwhelming to me.
03:55:04.150 --> 03:55:07.270
And not only did you
read it all and analyze it all
03:55:07.270 --> 03:55:08.370
and your team did,
03:55:08.370 --> 03:55:12.670
but just analyze it to the matrix
03:55:12.670 --> 03:55:15.990
and unbelievable,
unbelievable amount of work.
03:55:15.990 --> 03:55:17.290
And to think that you did this
03:55:17.290 --> 03:55:19.090
in such a short amount of time
03:55:19.090 --> 03:55:21.610
in terms of establishing the office
03:55:21.610 --> 03:55:26.130
and assuring us of
such important safety.
03:55:26.130 --> 03:55:28.023
So with that, my dear friend,
03:55:29.928 --> 03:55:32.128
we'll be together
tomorrow morning actually.
03:55:34.000 --> 03:55:34.833
We will.
03:55:34.833 --> 03:55:36.560
Thank you for a great presentation.
03:55:36.560 --> 03:55:37.593
Thank you, Rachel.
03:55:39.470 --> 03:55:40.780
So with that,
03:55:40.780 --> 03:55:45.490
we will be moving on in the
agenda to Commissioner reports.
03:55:45.490 --> 03:55:47.290
So who would like to go first today?
03:55:48.500 --> 03:55:50.128
President Batjer?
03:55:50.128 --> 03:55:51.070
Yes, of course.
03:55:51.070 --> 03:55:53.350
Yes, do
you mind if I go first?
03:55:53.350 --> 03:55:54.183
No, please do.
03:55:54.183 --> 03:55:56.840
I know you have a time situation.
03:55:56.840 --> 03:55:58.010
Thank you, thank you.
03:55:58.010 --> 03:55:59.940
So for my report today,
03:55:59.940 --> 03:56:02.630
I would like to introduce
our summer intern
03:56:02.630 --> 03:56:05.500
to team Shiroma.
03:56:05.500 --> 03:56:08.130
His name is Carlos Siezar Real.
03:56:08.130 --> 03:56:11.300
Carlos comes to the CPUC this summer
03:56:11.300 --> 03:56:15.070
from the Schultz Energy
Fellowship Program at Stanford.
03:56:15.070 --> 03:56:17.910
Carlos is a recent
Master's graduate student
03:56:17.910 --> 03:56:20.420
from the Atmosphere Energy Program
03:56:20.420 --> 03:56:21.750
within the Stanford Civil
03:56:21.750 --> 03:56:24.840
and Environmental
Engineering Department.
03:56:24.840 --> 03:56:27.920
He also graduated in 2020 from Stanford
03:56:27.920 --> 03:56:29.190
with a bachelor of science
03:56:29.190 --> 03:56:31.750
in environmental assistance engineering.
03:56:31.750 --> 03:56:33.680
His an undergraduate honors thesis
03:56:33.680 --> 03:56:36.500
focused on statistical simulations
03:56:36.500 --> 03:56:40.640
of the revenue potential for
tidal and wave energy projects
03:56:40.640 --> 03:56:42.810
in California's wholesale market.
03:56:42.810 --> 03:56:44.730
Carlos has also assisted in research
03:56:44.730 --> 03:56:47.580
with the Stanford
Graduate School of Business
03:56:47.580 --> 03:56:50.010
in 2019 to 2021.
03:56:50.010 --> 03:56:51.570
The research project model
03:56:51.570 --> 03:56:54.790
is the life cycle costs
of clean energy vehicles
03:56:54.790 --> 03:56:57.740
like battery, electric transit buses.
03:56:57.740 --> 03:56:59.410
And during the summer of 2018,
03:56:59.410 --> 03:57:03.680
Carlos was a Schultz Energy
Fellow at the California ISO,
03:57:03.680 --> 03:57:05.360
where he studied the efficiency
03:57:05.360 --> 03:57:08.100
of the ancillary services market.
03:57:08.100 --> 03:57:10.910
So Carlos will will be working
with us on energy issues,
03:57:10.910 --> 03:57:13.600
including the customer financing
03:57:14.460 --> 03:57:16.780
and micro goods proceedings.
03:57:16.780 --> 03:57:17.870
Welcome Carlos.
03:57:17.870 --> 03:57:20.300
Back to you President Batjer, thank you.
03:57:20.300 --> 03:57:22.403
Thank you so much
and welcome, Carlos.
03:57:23.980 --> 03:57:25.450
I've made a mistake.
03:57:25.450 --> 03:57:27.820
I skipped over an agenda item.
03:57:27.820 --> 03:57:32.730
So can we hold for the rest
of the Commissioner reports?
03:57:32.730 --> 03:57:34.520
I'm so sorry.
03:57:34.520 --> 03:57:38.040
We need to go back to item 39,
03:57:38.040 --> 03:57:39.500
and that would be the update
03:57:39.500 --> 03:57:44.290
on the Western clean
energy situation at the CCA
03:57:44.290 --> 03:57:49.020
that is currently filed
Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
03:57:49.020 --> 03:57:52.130
So we have deputy Executive
Director Ed Randolph,
03:57:52.130 --> 03:57:56.910
I believe is on the line
and Dina Mackin as well.
03:57:56.910 --> 03:57:59.763
Ed may have had to step
out to a FERC meeting.
03:58:00.900 --> 03:58:02.833
Ed are you on or is Dina on?
03:58:07.050 --> 03:58:08.890
Is Dina on?
03:58:08.890 --> 03:58:10.154
I'm on, President Batjer.
03:58:10.154 --> 03:58:12.060
Okay, great.
03:58:12.060 --> 03:58:14.530
It would be terrific if you
could go ahead please
03:58:15.720 --> 03:58:16.757
with that update.
03:58:17.672 --> 03:58:19.197
Sure, thank you.
03:58:19.197 --> 03:58:21.550
And good afternoon Commissioners.
03:58:21.550 --> 03:58:26.550
I'm here to present on
Western Community Energy,
03:58:26.680 --> 03:58:30.890
which is a community
choice aggregation entity
03:58:30.890 --> 03:58:32.543
in Southern California.
03:58:33.930 --> 03:58:36.590
As a way of background about...
03:58:36.590 --> 03:58:37.923
Next slide, please.
03:58:39.220 --> 03:58:43.390
As a way of background,
Western Community Energy, WCE
03:58:43.390 --> 03:58:46.050
that launched in April of 2020
03:58:46.050 --> 03:58:50.510
and served customers in six
Western Riverside county cities,
03:58:50.510 --> 03:58:54.230
Eastvale, Hemet, Jurupa Valley,
03:58:54.230 --> 03:58:57.687
Norco, Perris, and Wildomar.
03:58:57.687 --> 03:59:02.687
WCE served roughly 113,000 customers
03:59:02.890 --> 03:59:06.973
and around 40% of those
customers are on CARE rates.
03:59:08.710 --> 03:59:12.590
WCE load peaked last
year at 485 megawatts,
03:59:14.050 --> 03:59:18.833
which is roughly 2% of STEs load.
03:59:21.240 --> 03:59:24.940
So to give you a
timeline of the key events.
03:59:24.940 --> 03:59:25.903
Next slide.
03:59:28.300 --> 03:59:31.193
To give you a timeline
of the key events,
03:59:32.245 --> 03:59:36.060
WCE filed for Chapter
nine bankruptcy protection
03:59:36.060 --> 03:59:39.060
on May 24th, 2021
03:59:39.060 --> 03:59:42.453
with the intent to restructure
and to continue service.
03:59:43.540 --> 03:59:46.283
In the meantime, in the subsequent week,
03:59:47.290 --> 03:59:52.290
the procurement contracts
that WCE had entered into
03:59:53.960 --> 03:59:58.260
were terminated by the other parties.
03:59:58.260 --> 04:00:00.213
And as a result,
04:00:01.130 --> 04:00:05.650
WCE found themselves in a
position with cashflow issues
04:00:05.650 --> 04:00:10.650
and inability to meet their
load through the end of June.
04:00:11.540 --> 04:00:14.578
And so on June 9th, 2021,
04:00:14.578 --> 04:00:17.603
WCE's board voted to
do register as a CCA.
04:00:19.280 --> 04:00:24.280
WCE notified CPUC of its
decision to deregister on June 10th
04:00:25.200 --> 04:00:28.263
and served it's notice
on multiple service lists.
04:00:29.350 --> 04:00:33.830
On June 11 SCE began to
transfer the customer back
04:00:33.830 --> 04:00:36.083
into bundled service in batches.
04:00:37.690 --> 04:00:40.890
On June 15th, SCE took over this role
04:00:40.890 --> 04:00:43.590
of scheduling coordinator
04:00:43.590 --> 04:00:47.083
for all of WCEs customers
in the CAISO markets.
04:00:48.010 --> 04:00:52.110
And by June 25th, which is tomorrow
04:00:52.110 --> 04:00:55.750
expects to complete the
transfer, of WCE customers
04:00:55.750 --> 04:00:57.263
back into their system.
04:00:59.455 --> 04:01:04.455
At that time as SCE plans to
file its proposed reentry fees
04:01:05.350 --> 04:01:08.290
for WCE to the Commission,
04:01:08.290 --> 04:01:12.213
which will be due by July 12th, 2021.
04:01:13.190 --> 04:01:15.350
So to give you context,
04:01:15.350 --> 04:01:20.350
there were several causes
to WCE's financial crisis,
04:01:20.510 --> 04:01:25.510
and it became a series of
cascading financial problems.
04:01:25.580 --> 04:01:29.920
To begin with, COVID-19
stay at home orders
04:01:29.920 --> 04:01:32.980
caused residential energy use to spike,
04:01:32.980 --> 04:01:37.600
and the pandemic led to
$6 million in unpaid bills,
04:01:37.600 --> 04:01:40.220
which the COVID relief program
04:01:40.220 --> 04:01:45.113
under which the CCAs were
not disconnecting customers.
04:01:46.410 --> 04:01:51.380
Meanwhile, instability in the
power market last summer
04:01:51.380 --> 04:01:54.323
created significant cost increases.
04:01:55.270 --> 04:01:57.220
The power supply was constrained,
04:01:57.220 --> 04:02:01.590
which meant that WCE
could not always buy power
04:02:01.590 --> 04:02:02.673
when it was needed.
04:02:03.570 --> 04:02:07.610
It was also determined that
WCE was insufficiently hedged
04:02:07.610 --> 04:02:09.613
to meet it's 2021 needs.
04:02:11.010 --> 04:02:14.790
So the high spot market in the heat wave
04:02:14.790 --> 04:02:18.750
resulted in an additional
$12 million in costs
04:02:19.720 --> 04:02:22.723
that WCE was not anticipating.
04:02:23.690 --> 04:02:28.640
At this time, WCE made
the intent of raising their rates
04:02:28.640 --> 04:02:32.150
in order to recover the
revenue that had been lost.
04:02:32.150 --> 04:02:37.150
And while they increased the
rate multiple times over 2021,
04:02:39.750 --> 04:02:44.750
they were still had unpaid liabilities
04:02:46.210 --> 04:02:50.990
and they were seeking
bridge loans and federal funds
04:02:50.990 --> 04:02:53.670
in order to cover these liabilities,
04:02:53.670 --> 04:02:56.563
but these loans did not come through.
04:02:57.610 --> 04:03:02.220
And so at the point
that they filed bankruptcy
04:03:02.220 --> 04:03:05.110
at that point most of
the WCE's contracts
04:03:05.110 --> 04:03:07.580
had been counseled for nonpayment.
04:03:07.580 --> 04:03:10.090
This accelerated its failure.
04:03:10.090 --> 04:03:13.320
WCE relied on increasingly
on the stock market
04:03:13.320 --> 04:03:16.160
and was only able to
pay certain creditors
04:03:16.160 --> 04:03:18.883
as a result of the
bankruptcy court orders.
04:03:20.220 --> 04:03:25.220
And at that point their
cashflow became such
04:03:25.230 --> 04:03:26.400
that they were not gonna be able
04:03:26.400 --> 04:03:28.823
to cover their costs
through the month of June.
04:03:30.210 --> 04:03:34.780
I will also note that WCE had
originally pegged their rates
04:03:34.780 --> 04:03:37.240
at 2% below SCE.
04:03:37.240 --> 04:03:40.090
And these were found
not to cover their costs,
04:03:40.090 --> 04:03:43.533
partly because of the fact of COVID-19.
04:03:44.650 --> 04:03:48.270
And so while they
changed their rates in 2021,
04:03:48.270 --> 04:03:51.863
these were not enough to
prevent insolvencies through June.
04:03:55.280 --> 04:03:56.450
When it was determined
04:03:56.450 --> 04:04:00.350
that they would need to return
customers of energy division,
04:04:00.350 --> 04:04:05.200
Edison and WCE and CAISO
met over throughout May and June
04:04:05.200 --> 04:04:08.210
to ensure a coordinated response.
04:04:08.210 --> 04:04:12.313
Minimizing customer
impact was our primary goal.
04:04:13.855 --> 04:04:17.300
WCE initiated their
deregistration on June 10th,
04:04:17.300 --> 04:04:20.610
which triggered the
involuntary return of customers
04:04:20.610 --> 04:04:23.263
to bundled SCE service.
04:04:24.196 --> 04:04:29.196
SCE is treating the customer
returns after May 24th,
04:04:30.210 --> 04:04:31.730
all as involuntary.
04:04:31.730 --> 04:04:35.800
Even if the customers
requested a return to Edison.
04:04:35.800 --> 04:04:39.400
This will provide these
customers with protection
04:04:40.520 --> 04:04:45.080
because voluntary
return to Edison service
04:04:45.080 --> 04:04:48.090
places them on the
transitional bundled rate,
04:04:48.090 --> 04:04:51.963
which passes through
real time CAISO prices.
04:04:54.050 --> 04:04:58.220
SCE will be filing the advice letter
04:04:58.220 --> 04:05:00.300
for the proposed reentry fees
04:05:00.300 --> 04:05:03.390
within 30 days of deregistration,
04:05:03.390 --> 04:05:07.290
and this will cover the
administrative and procurement costs
04:05:07.290 --> 04:05:10.993
that are necessary to serve
returning WCE customers.
04:05:11.960 --> 04:05:14.640
And this also avoids cost shifting
04:05:14.640 --> 04:05:17.123
to bundle customers.
04:05:18.012 --> 04:05:20.480
WCE will be contributing to these fees
04:05:21.680 --> 04:05:24.580
through its financial
security requirements
04:05:24.580 --> 04:05:26.040
that are paid upfront
04:05:26.930 --> 04:05:29.920
and is seeking other funding sources.
04:05:29.920 --> 04:05:32.080
Any remaining costs will be backstopped
04:05:32.080 --> 04:05:34.663
by returning WCE customers.
04:05:37.870 --> 04:05:42.870
I'm sorry, I did not request
moving forward of the slides.
04:05:46.420 --> 04:05:49.533
There we go, causes
of the financial crisis.
04:05:51.523 --> 04:05:54.283
Okay, next slide is
coordinated response.
04:05:59.294 --> 04:06:02.163
And now the final slide is,
04:06:03.040 --> 04:06:05.383
impacts on WCE customers.
04:06:08.423 --> 04:06:13.360
SCE has taken over scheduling
energy for WCE customers
04:06:13.360 --> 04:06:18.060
in the CAISO market and
there will be no service impacts.
04:06:18.060 --> 04:06:23.060
WCE should continue to
receive their bills as normal.
04:06:23.280 --> 04:06:25.020
Since the transfer may occur
04:06:25.020 --> 04:06:26.730
in the middle of the bill cycle,
04:06:26.730 --> 04:06:30.590
the first bill after the
transfer, maybe smaller,
04:06:30.590 --> 04:06:33.340
larger or smaller than usual.
04:06:33.340 --> 04:06:37.050
SCEs costs to handle
returning WCE customers
04:06:38.070 --> 04:06:39.650
are still being calculated
04:06:40.500 --> 04:06:44.043
and are expected to
be filed by July 12th.
04:06:45.314 --> 04:06:49.360
And so we're not counting
any of the potential reentry fees
04:06:49.360 --> 04:06:51.453
since they are not known at this time.
04:06:52.550 --> 04:06:56.220
Returning customers should
see decreases in their rates
04:06:56.220 --> 04:07:01.220
since WCE has implemented
significant rate increases
04:07:01.980 --> 04:07:05.790
since 2021 to cover
their under collections.
04:07:05.790 --> 04:07:08.850
So as we see WCE's rates have increased
04:07:08.850 --> 04:07:11.903
to about 12 cents per kilowatt hour,
04:07:12.780 --> 04:07:17.780
while SCEs residential rate
is 9 cents per kilowatt hour,
04:07:18.640 --> 04:07:23.640
and residential care rate is
6.80 cents per kilowatt hour.
04:07:23.820 --> 04:07:26.010
So the customer impact is going to be
04:07:26.010 --> 04:07:27.810
a significant reduction in their rates
04:07:27.810 --> 04:07:29.320
from what it would be
04:07:29.320 --> 04:07:33.083
if they were to be
remaining on WCE service.
04:07:36.250 --> 04:07:38.333
Just a question on that point.
04:07:39.900 --> 04:07:43.213
That's without counting
the reentry fees?
04:07:44.430 --> 04:07:46.993
That is without
counting the reentry fee?
04:07:48.450 --> 04:07:50.823
Well, the reentry fees,
04:07:51.750 --> 04:07:54.890
we don't have an actual
number at this time.
04:07:54.890 --> 04:07:57.170
We know that in terms of its scale
04:07:57.170 --> 04:08:01.473
it's significantly smaller
than this rate decrease.
04:08:02.969 --> 04:08:06.860
So in total the customer impact
04:08:06.860 --> 04:08:09.630
will be that they will
actually see a decrease
04:08:09.630 --> 04:08:13.803
in their bills relative to what
if they had stayed on WCE.
04:08:14.960 --> 04:08:19.960
In addition, WCE is making all efforts
04:08:20.930 --> 04:08:23.130
to find the funds available
04:08:24.792 --> 04:08:27.500
to cover the reentry fees on their own
04:08:27.500 --> 04:08:31.433
so that they are not actually
impacting WCE customers.
04:08:41.320 --> 04:08:42.670
Next slide, please.
04:08:46.010 --> 04:08:51.010
We have found several different
implications for the market.
04:08:52.540 --> 04:08:54.860
At this time, energy
division is not aware
04:08:54.860 --> 04:08:57.180
of any other CCAs who are in
04:08:57.180 --> 04:08:58.920
or near a situation like WCE
04:09:00.160 --> 04:09:02.823
but we'll be continuing
to monitor development.
04:09:04.940 --> 04:09:08.120
COVID effected all load serving entities
04:09:08.120 --> 04:09:09.773
and was not predictable.
04:09:10.720 --> 04:09:14.780
And meanwhile, the extreme
heat event are hard to predict,
04:09:14.780 --> 04:09:17.163
but are increasingly expected.
04:09:18.760 --> 04:09:20.980
This situation
underscores the importance
04:09:21.950 --> 04:09:26.950
of forward procurement hedging,
realistic rate development,
04:09:26.950 --> 04:09:29.473
and advanced notice of problems.
04:09:30.380 --> 04:09:33.590
Outside of energy compliance programs,
04:09:33.590 --> 04:09:35.020
such as resource adequacy
04:09:35.020 --> 04:09:39.040
and or renewables portfolio standard,
04:09:39.040 --> 04:09:43.400
the Commission has limited
jurisdiction over CCA activities
04:09:43.400 --> 04:09:47.113
and no authority to review
feasibility plans and finance.
04:09:49.740 --> 04:09:53.080
However these will all be
issues that we will be considering
04:09:53.080 --> 04:09:57.470
in the provider of last
resort proceeding polar
04:09:59.870 --> 04:10:01.973
pursuant to SB 56520.
04:10:18.360 --> 04:10:19.420
Were you done Dina?
04:10:19.420 --> 04:10:21.160
I was gonna ask another question.
04:10:21.160 --> 04:10:23.358
Okay, thank you.
Yeah, I'm done, thank.
04:10:23.358 --> 04:10:24.858
Okay, thank you.
04:10:26.210 --> 04:10:27.520
Do you have a,
04:10:27.520 --> 04:10:30.447
I know you're talking about
the impacted customers here
04:10:30.447 --> 04:10:31.790
and their bill impacts,
04:10:31.790 --> 04:10:35.253
is there any impact to the
existing bundled customers?
04:10:36.840 --> 04:10:38.200
No.
04:10:38.200 --> 04:10:40.590
That is the purpose.
04:10:40.590 --> 04:10:42.000
Well, let me just clarify.
04:10:42.000 --> 04:10:45.290
That is the purpose of the reentry fees
04:10:45.290 --> 04:10:48.490
as any incremental procurement costs
04:10:48.490 --> 04:10:52.340
that are necessary to cover the cost
04:10:52.340 --> 04:10:55.480
of those returning
customers are captured
04:10:55.480 --> 04:10:57.620
by the reentry fees.
04:10:57.620 --> 04:10:59.880
The one caveat I would say
04:10:59.880 --> 04:11:02.820
is that those are forward
estimated procurement costs
04:11:02.820 --> 04:11:06.350
and not the actual real
time CAISO market costs
04:11:07.430 --> 04:11:11.350
that will occur at the
time that Edison needs
04:11:11.350 --> 04:11:12.810
to do the procurement.
04:11:12.810 --> 04:11:14.170
So there is a possibility
04:11:14.170 --> 04:11:15.770
that there could be some difference
04:11:15.770 --> 04:11:18.403
between those two type of cost.
04:11:22.180 --> 04:11:23.740
And this is still
what you're saying,
04:11:23.740 --> 04:11:27.403
is still within the margin
of a net decrease?
04:11:30.030 --> 04:11:35.030
So there's a net decrease
to the WCE customers
04:11:35.650 --> 04:11:40.650
because WCE had to
increase its rates so significantly
04:11:40.960 --> 04:11:45.790
in order to recover its
liabilities and unmet cost.
04:11:50.410 --> 04:11:54.130
Okay, so I think I
must have been...
04:11:54.130 --> 04:11:55.280
I don't know why I was thinking
04:11:55.280 --> 04:11:57.450
there was gonna be an
impact of bundled customers,
04:11:57.450 --> 04:11:59.493
but I'm glad to hear that there's not.
04:12:02.350 --> 04:12:06.100
Dina, would they
hypothetically been able
04:12:06.100 --> 04:12:07.790
to weather these impacts
04:12:07.790 --> 04:12:12.790
if they'd gotten relief from
COVID underpayment sooner?
04:12:13.120 --> 04:12:16.463
You said it was $6 million impact.
04:12:20.270 --> 04:12:25.230
Their unpaid liabilities
were around $40 million.
04:12:25.230 --> 04:12:30.230
So $6 million would not
have met their liabilities.
04:12:32.350 --> 04:12:33.183
Got it.
04:12:39.510 --> 04:12:41.813
Are there any other
questions of Dina?
04:12:44.240 --> 04:12:46.900
Okay, Dina that was
a superb presentation.
04:12:46.900 --> 04:12:49.460
You answered a lot of
my questions, thank you.
04:12:49.460 --> 04:12:51.910
I mean, before I even
had to ask them, obviously.
04:12:52.900 --> 04:12:55.120
So well done, I appreciate it.
04:12:55.120 --> 04:12:59.153
And I don't think
Commissioner Shiroma is still on.
04:13:01.580 --> 04:13:04.610
Okay, well, thank you very
much, very much appreciated
04:13:04.610 --> 04:13:07.440
and we will keep in touch on this.
04:13:07.440 --> 04:13:10.413
And I misspoke when I
said they filed Chapter 11.
04:13:11.490 --> 04:13:13.100
Thank you for pointing out.
04:13:13.100 --> 04:13:16.283
They actually had filed
Chapter nine, so thank you.
04:13:17.400 --> 04:13:18.453
Great, thanks.
04:13:21.100 --> 04:13:22.650
Bye bye.
04:13:22.650 --> 04:13:25.480
Okay, now Commissioners,
04:13:25.480 --> 04:13:30.480
we will get back to the
next item on the agenda,
04:13:31.410 --> 04:13:34.120
which is Commissioning report
04:13:34.120 --> 04:13:37.180
and Commissioner
Shiroma gave her report.
04:13:37.180 --> 04:13:40.093
Does anybody else have a
report they would like to give?
04:13:41.790 --> 04:13:43.823
Yes, Commissioner
Guzman Acevez.
04:13:46.020 --> 04:13:46.853
Thank you, President Batjer,
04:13:46.853 --> 04:13:49.730
I too would like to welcome a new intern
04:13:49.730 --> 04:13:53.010
to our office, Madalsa Singh.
04:13:53.010 --> 04:13:56.910
Madalsa is a PhD student in
energy resources engineering
04:13:56.910 --> 04:13:59.070
at Stanford university.
04:13:59.070 --> 04:14:03.460
Her main research focus is on
equitable energy transmission
04:14:03.460 --> 04:14:06.980
in transportation
and electricity sectors.
04:14:06.980 --> 04:14:10.400
She uses engineering
as statistical techniques
04:14:10.400 --> 04:14:13.350
to evaluate impacts on air quality,
04:14:13.350 --> 04:14:16.110
climate change and environmental justice
04:14:16.110 --> 04:14:20.430
from carbon constraints,
transport and electricity systems.
04:14:20.430 --> 04:14:23.260
She holds a Master's in energy science
04:14:23.260 --> 04:14:27.120
and mechanical engineering
from Carnegie Mellon
04:14:27.120 --> 04:14:32.120
and a degree in material
science from IIT Bombay in India.
04:14:32.510 --> 04:14:36.010
She will be doing focus
projects this summer
04:14:36.010 --> 04:14:40.210
to help us with a net energy
metering successor proceeding.
04:14:40.210 --> 04:14:42.983
Please help me welcome Madalsa.
04:14:45.800 --> 04:14:47.263
That is marvelous.
04:14:48.350 --> 04:14:51.293
What an incredible academic background.
04:14:52.559 --> 04:14:53.642
Yeah.
Huge.
04:14:53.642 --> 04:14:56.610
We're so fortunate to
have her as an intern.
04:14:56.610 --> 04:15:00.273
Let's just pave the way they
have her as a new employee.
04:15:01.300 --> 04:15:02.693
That's always the plan.
04:15:05.030 --> 04:15:06.620
You've got to
give them the public.
04:15:06.620 --> 04:15:09.780
We got to give them the
public service bug, Martha.
04:15:09.780 --> 04:15:14.780
Yeah, we're batting 50
50 right now with our interns.
04:15:14.840 --> 04:15:16.090
Half of them are staying.
04:15:17.280 --> 04:15:19.570
I have two other short announcements.
04:15:19.570 --> 04:15:22.900
One is I would like to invite
you to a broadband joint
04:15:22.900 --> 04:15:26.520
utility pilot proposals workshop,
04:15:26.520 --> 04:15:29.400
which is at the end of
the month on June 30th
04:15:29.400 --> 04:15:31.730
from 9:30 to 11:30.
04:15:31.730 --> 04:15:34.770
Where the electric
IOUs will be presenting
04:15:34.770 --> 04:15:36.710
on their pilot proposals
04:15:36.710 --> 04:15:39.180
for how to leverage their infrastructure
04:15:39.180 --> 04:15:42.740
for deployment of
broadband in unserved areas.
04:15:42.740 --> 04:15:45.683
And you can find all the
details on the Daily Calendar.
04:15:46.610 --> 04:15:49.750
And finally, on July 23rd,
04:15:49.750 --> 04:15:51.370
I also like to invite you all
04:15:51.370 --> 04:15:54.623
to the Interagency Solar
Task Force meeting.
04:15:55.840 --> 04:15:58.230
We divided it into two sessions.
04:15:58.230 --> 04:16:00.660
The morning session will
be a confidential session
04:16:00.660 --> 04:16:04.960
amongst the agencies and
the afternoon one will be public,
04:16:04.960 --> 04:16:05.900
which is what we've done
04:16:05.900 --> 04:16:09.030
with most of these quarterly check-ins.
04:16:09.030 --> 04:16:12.600
And really it's an opportunity
to update everyone.
04:16:12.600 --> 04:16:14.100
All agencies update each other
04:16:14.100 --> 04:16:15.710
on what we've been working on.
04:16:15.710 --> 04:16:18.630
And we talk about next steps
04:16:18.630 --> 04:16:21.350
as we continue to work
together to eliminate fraud
04:16:21.350 --> 04:16:25.363
in the residential net
energy metering space.
04:16:26.620 --> 04:16:27.670
And as you all know,
04:16:27.670 --> 04:16:31.520
the joint task force is made up of us,
04:16:31.520 --> 04:16:33.800
contractors state licensing board,
04:16:33.800 --> 04:16:37.093
and the Department of Financial
Protection and Innovation.
04:16:38.290 --> 04:16:39.580
It will be a virtual meeting,
04:16:39.580 --> 04:16:42.070
so it will be easy to participate in.
04:16:42.070 --> 04:16:42.903
Thank you.
04:16:44.910 --> 04:16:47.760
Okay, any other reports?
04:16:47.760 --> 04:16:49.123
Yes, Commissioner Houck.
04:16:50.450 --> 04:16:52.750
Thank you, President Batjer.
04:16:52.750 --> 04:16:57.750
I have recently got my staff in place
04:16:57.950 --> 04:16:59.710
and I just wanted to
make an announcement
04:16:59.710 --> 04:17:03.180
and I wanted to thank
my interim Chief of Staff,
04:17:03.180 --> 04:17:05.950
Christine Powell, for all of her work
04:17:05.950 --> 04:17:10.950
and my former in term
legal advisor, Sarah Thomas,
04:17:11.240 --> 04:17:12.200
for all of her work.
04:17:12.200 --> 04:17:14.540
She has gone back to legal division
04:17:14.540 --> 04:17:18.540
to work on wildfire safety
issues among other matters.
04:17:18.540 --> 04:17:21.870
I appreciate both Sarah
and Christine's willingness
04:17:21.870 --> 04:17:25.300
to take the time to help me
get my office up and running.
04:17:25.300 --> 04:17:27.790
They both contributed
so much to the team
04:17:27.790 --> 04:17:31.940
and I'm very grateful for all
of the work that they've done.
04:17:31.940 --> 04:17:35.530
I also want to welcome my Chief of Staff
04:17:35.530 --> 04:17:39.640
and Legal Advisor, Pouneh Ghaffarian.
04:17:39.640 --> 04:17:44.230
She most formerly
served in the legal office.
04:17:44.230 --> 04:17:47.230
She joined the Commission in 2007
04:17:47.230 --> 04:17:49.230
and was working in the federal section
04:17:49.230 --> 04:17:50.930
of the PUC's legal division,
04:17:50.930 --> 04:17:52.570
where she represented the PUC
04:17:52.570 --> 04:17:55.480
at the Federal Energy
Regulatory Commission.
04:17:55.480 --> 04:17:58.760
As a staff counsel, she's
advised on energy, privacy,
04:17:58.760 --> 04:18:01.250
governance, contracts,
and employment matters.
04:18:01.250 --> 04:18:04.780
Pouneh previously served
as an interim legal advisor
04:18:04.780 --> 04:18:07.090
to Commissioner Cliff Rechtschaffen.
04:18:07.090 --> 04:18:08.890
She holds a BA in literature
04:18:08.890 --> 04:18:11.910
from the University of
California at Santa Cruz,
04:18:11.910 --> 04:18:15.670
an MS in Administrative
Studies from Boston University
04:18:15.670 --> 04:18:19.130
and a JD from Golden Gate
University School of Law.
04:18:19.130 --> 04:18:22.160
And I wanna welcome Pouneh to my staff.
04:18:22.160 --> 04:18:25.610
She's only been on
for about five days now
04:18:25.610 --> 04:18:30.610
and she sort of, it
was trial by fire here,
04:18:31.760 --> 04:18:32.593
'cause it was right in the middle
04:18:32.593 --> 04:18:33.850
of my confirmation hearing.
04:18:33.850 --> 04:18:36.530
So I want to just extend
a great thanks to her
04:18:36.530 --> 04:18:39.110
for just jumping right in.
04:18:39.110 --> 04:18:44.110
I want to also announce
that my rotational advisors,
04:18:46.570 --> 04:18:49.100
I wanna welcome Candace Choe,
04:18:49.100 --> 04:18:51.210
who serves as my communications,
04:18:51.210 --> 04:18:54.100
water, safety and legal policy advisor.
04:18:54.100 --> 04:18:56.440
Candace joined the PUC in 2012
04:18:56.440 --> 04:18:58.320
and most recently worked as an attorney
04:18:58.320 --> 04:18:59.940
with the Commission's legal division,
04:18:59.940 --> 04:19:03.310
representing advocacy divisions
and safety communications,
04:19:03.310 --> 04:19:05.370
water and energy matters.
04:19:05.370 --> 04:19:09.230
Candace also has worked as
an analyst at the Commission
04:19:09.230 --> 04:19:10.910
within the communications division
04:19:10.910 --> 04:19:13.030
and the Public Advocate's Office.
04:19:13.030 --> 04:19:14.420
Prior to joining the Commission,
04:19:14.420 --> 04:19:17.570
she worked for a nonprofit
protecting water resources
04:19:18.660 --> 04:19:20.680
and a transportation planner.
04:19:20.680 --> 04:19:22.730
Candace holds a BA in Urban Planning
04:19:22.730 --> 04:19:25.850
from the University of
California, San Diego, and a JV
04:19:25.850 --> 04:19:29.670
from the University of California
Hastings School of Law.
04:19:29.670 --> 04:19:31.680
I also wanna welcome Kathleen Yip,
04:19:31.680 --> 04:19:34.280
who will serve as my
energy transportation
04:19:34.280 --> 04:19:36.430
and tribal policy advisor.
04:19:36.430 --> 04:19:39.540
Kathleen joined the PUC in late 2019,
04:19:39.540 --> 04:19:42.380
and most recently worked
on energy equity issues
04:19:43.634 --> 04:19:45.530
in the CPUC energy division.
04:19:45.530 --> 04:19:48.640
Before coming to the PUC,
she worked at a nonprofit
04:19:48.640 --> 04:19:51.110
working to link clean
transportation options
04:19:51.110 --> 04:19:52.810
with affordable housing.
04:19:52.810 --> 04:19:55.520
Other previous work
includes zero emission vehicle
04:19:55.520 --> 04:19:57.410
and bus planning as a consultant,
04:19:57.410 --> 04:19:59.440
implementing clean mobility programs
04:19:59.440 --> 04:20:02.200
in low-income communities
as a graduate student,
04:20:02.200 --> 04:20:06.250
and advancing policies
that speed commercialization
04:20:06.250 --> 04:20:09.000
of clean vehicles and
fuels through grants.
04:20:09.000 --> 04:20:11.960
Kathleen has a BA in
science and technology studies
04:20:11.960 --> 04:20:14.860
and an MS in transportation
technology and policy
04:20:14.860 --> 04:20:18.460
from the University
of California, Davis.
04:20:18.460 --> 04:20:21.420
I'm also happy to announce
that Mary Claire Brown
04:20:21.420 --> 04:20:24.880
and Suzanne Casazza,
whose bios I've read previously
04:20:24.880 --> 04:20:26.970
are staying on in my office
04:20:26.970 --> 04:20:29.950
and Eileen Odell will be staying on also
04:20:29.950 --> 04:20:32.810
for a limited amount of time.
04:20:32.810 --> 04:20:36.700
And I also wanna welcome
Anna-Marie Madrigal
04:20:36.700 --> 04:20:39.090
who's joined my office as an AGPA.
04:20:39.090 --> 04:20:42.040
Anna-Marie's been with
the Commission for 15 years
04:20:42.040 --> 04:20:44.070
and has worked for
Commissioner Guzman Acevez
04:20:44.070 --> 04:20:46.070
and former Commissioner Sandoval
04:20:46.070 --> 04:20:48.870
as well as three former
Executive Directors.
04:20:48.870 --> 04:20:52.140
Most recently, she has been
working as a contact tracer
04:20:52.140 --> 04:20:54.820
and vaccine coordinator for LA county
04:20:54.820 --> 04:20:56.510
and her most recent previous role
04:20:56.510 --> 04:20:58.270
was in the consumer affairs branch
04:20:58.270 --> 04:21:00.160
where she served three years.
04:21:00.160 --> 04:21:02.030
and I am very happy
04:21:02.030 --> 04:21:06.180
to have all of these great,
wonderful people on my staff.
04:21:06.180 --> 04:21:07.900
I am very lucky
04:21:08.930 --> 04:21:11.280
and they have all helped
me get through the last week
04:21:11.280 --> 04:21:14.810
and I could not have done it
without them or without grant.
04:21:14.810 --> 04:21:16.550
So thank you to everybody.
04:21:16.550 --> 04:21:19.863
And please join me in
welcoming my new team.
04:21:21.230 --> 04:21:24.670
Thank you so much,
Commissioner Houck.
04:21:24.670 --> 04:21:29.670
You have put together a
marvelous, impressive team.
04:21:29.870 --> 04:21:34.280
And I want to give my thanks to them
04:21:34.280 --> 04:21:38.490
and to you for such a marvelous
job that you did yesterday
04:21:38.490 --> 04:21:42.160
before Senate Rules
Committee on your confirmation.
04:21:42.160 --> 04:21:44.883
You were voted out unanimously,
04:21:45.810 --> 04:21:48.110
and now we wait for
the vote on the floor
04:21:48.110 --> 04:21:51.850
that which will also be
unanimous, I am sure.
04:21:51.850 --> 04:21:55.130
So congratulations to you and your team
04:21:55.130 --> 04:21:56.370
Really, really well done.
04:21:56.370 --> 04:22:00.033
You did us all proud, very proud of you.
04:22:01.770 --> 04:22:05.460
So I think Commissioner Rechtschaffen,
04:22:05.460 --> 04:22:07.760
did you have anything
you wanted to report on?
04:22:08.910 --> 04:22:11.017
No, I just wanted to
congratulate Commissioner Houck,
04:22:11.017 --> 04:22:12.877
but you stole my thunder.
04:22:12.877 --> 04:22:14.080
(laughs)
04:22:14.080 --> 04:22:17.010
Well, congratulations
from all of us.
04:22:17.010 --> 04:22:19.440
Okay, I will only report on one item.
04:22:19.440 --> 04:22:22.440
Seeing the clock is ticking
and this has been long day
04:22:22.440 --> 04:22:23.880
for all of us.
04:22:23.880 --> 04:22:25.190
My only item to report
04:22:25.190 --> 04:22:27.850
is that I presented before
the Assembly Utilities
04:22:27.850 --> 04:22:29.470
and Energy Committee last Wednesday
04:22:29.470 --> 04:22:33.800
as part of the annual
CPUC oversight hearing.
04:22:33.800 --> 04:22:35.880
Along with me from the CPUC
04:22:35.880 --> 04:22:38.260
were Executive Director Peterson
04:22:38.260 --> 04:22:41.380
and Deputy-Executive
Director, Ed Randolph
04:22:41.380 --> 04:22:43.663
and Director Caroline Thomas Jacobs.
04:22:45.930 --> 04:22:49.660
The issues we discussed range broadly.
04:22:49.660 --> 04:22:52.480
It was I think an important opportunity
04:22:52.480 --> 04:22:56.300
for me to highlight the
critical body of work conducted
04:22:56.300 --> 04:22:57.970
by my fellow Commissioners
04:22:57.970 --> 04:23:01.190
and all of our wonderful
staff this last year,
04:23:01.190 --> 04:23:04.020
and I was proud to represent you all.
04:23:04.020 --> 04:23:05.890
I have already had one followup meeting
04:23:05.890 --> 04:23:08.210
with chairman, Holden,
04:23:09.440 --> 04:23:11.070
and I plan to meet individually
04:23:11.070 --> 04:23:12.630
with a couple of the other members
04:23:12.630 --> 04:23:14.410
who had some particular questions
04:23:14.410 --> 04:23:16.770
that I want to follow up and answer.
04:23:16.770 --> 04:23:18.833
So thank you all very much.
04:23:20.207 --> 04:23:22.980
If there are no other
comments or questions
04:23:22.980 --> 04:23:26.050
on Commissioner
reports, and looks like it.
04:23:26.050 --> 04:23:29.330
So that finishes out the
Commissioner's report
04:23:29.330 --> 04:23:31.700
and the public meeting is now adjourned.
04:23:31.700 --> 04:23:33.253
Thank you all very much.