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Utilities Commission, public
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Thursday, June 3rd, 2021.

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President Batjer, you may proceed.

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Thank you operator and
good morning everyone.

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We need to establish a quorum.

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So will the agenda
court please call the roll.

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Commissioner Houck.
Here.

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Commissioner Shiroma.
Present.

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Commissioner Guzman.
I'm here.

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Commissioner Guzman Aceves

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Here

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Backley Berkshire?
Here.

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Again, welcome to the California

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public utilities Commission.

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I am calling this meeting of
June 3rd, 2021 public agenda

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number 34872 to order.

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Before we commence
with the public comment,

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I would like to highlight
two important topics today.

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First, June is pride month,

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a time to celebrate lesbian, gay,

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bisexual, transgender,
and clear history and culture.

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And to honor the sweeping impact

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of the LGBTQ plus community.

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The month of June
holds great significance

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for the LGBTQ community,

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as it marks the anniversary
of the 1969 Stonewall Uprising.

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During this time, LGBTQ
plus people could be arrested,

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lose their jobs,

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or have their children
taken away from them

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for the simple fact
of being who they are.

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Since that time, we have
made tremendous progress

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to end legal discrimination
against LGBTQ plus individuals,

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but unfortunately
discrimination in the workplace,

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healthcare, the criminal justice system

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and other areas continues.

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This is why alongside
celebrating LGBTQ plus history

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and culture, it is
important that we stand up

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for the rights of the
LGBTQ plus community

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by opposing Mylans
and attempts to deny them

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access of their rights and services

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afforded to them and to others.

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To celebrate pride month,

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the CPUC we'll be
hosting a panel discussion

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on LGBTQ plus history, current affairs,

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and to discuss what is on the horizon

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for the LGBTQ plus community.

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More information on this event

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and the CPUC's
recognition of pride month

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will be emailed to the
CPUC staff later this week.

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Second, extraordinarily warm
temperatures in April and May

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have accelerated already dry conditions

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with much of the west and
severe to exceptionally drought,

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severe drought conditions

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as defined by the US drought monitor.

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California is in its second
consecutive dry year.

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And 2020 was the third driest on record

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in terms of Statewide precipitation.

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Water is essential and central

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to the lives of all California's.

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It is critical for drinking, cooking,

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sanitary purposes, recreation,

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and countless other
aspects of our everyday life.

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Dry conditions create the possibility

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of an earlier wildfire season

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and decreases in the
amount of available water

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which could lead to
reduced power produced

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through our hydro
electric generation in state.

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Under the Governor's leadership
and through coordination

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with our sister agencies,

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we continue to track
possible impacts of the drought

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and what impacts there
may be on all Californians.

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The forecast for a hot and
dry summer is a reminder that

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we must do all of our part by
using water more efficiently.

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Every gallon say this year is
a gallon available next year,

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if these dry conditions
continue as some are predicting.

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For water savings tips,

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please visit saveourwater.com.

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Again, please visit saveourwater.com

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for tips on how to save water.

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Okay, thank you for that indulgence.

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We will now turn to the public
comment part of our agenda.

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If you wish to make a public comment

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and you have already dialed

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please press *1 to get into
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CPUC rules do not allow
for parties in proceedings

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to speak about open proceedings.

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The public can make comments
addressing items on the consent

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and regular agenda as well
as items not on today's agenda.

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Please note that there
will not be public comments

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on items 18 and 31

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and all items on the
closed session agenda.

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You will have two minutes to speak.

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Let me repeat that.

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You will have two minutes to speak.

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You will hear a bell
sound when your time is up.

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So please listen for a bell sound

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and please be mindful of
other speakers in the queue

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and keep to this two
minutes alloted time.

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With that guidance in mind,

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I welcome today's speakers

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and I will now turn to the operator

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to open the public comment
telephone line, operator.

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Thank you.

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The public comment
telephone line is now open.

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If it was to speak during
the public comment period,

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please press *1, unmute your phone

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and clearly record your name
and organization when prompted.

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Our first caller is Lucia Marquez.

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You may go ahead.

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Hi, can you hear me?

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Yes, we can.

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Hi, good morning.

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My name is Lucia
Marquez and I'm a resident

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of the Gorge county.

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And my community has
been overburdened by

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heavy gas infrastructure
where these facilities

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are housed as to
disadvantage neighborhoods.

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And because of that,

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our communities live with
the effects of air pollution

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and climate change every
day as gas pollutes our air.

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Right now,

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SoCalGas is rushing a
dangerous expansion project

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and Ventura right across the street

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from an elementary school

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without even notifying the community

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and parents of the children
who play across the street

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at that school.

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This project is moving forward.

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Without intervention from state agencies

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is a clear sign that
California is failing

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and responsible energy planning

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and has not been
looking at real alternatives.

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We're asking that you conduct
environmental impact report

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on the entire scope of the project

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and an alternative studies.

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We should also be prioritizing safe

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and clean energy projects

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shut down fossil fuel
infrastructure. We can't,

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I can't wrap my head around

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the fact that fossil fuel infrastructure

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is still being expanded
in California today.

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We need big investments in clean energy

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that support our climate, air
quality and reliability goals.

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This next IRP decision is something that

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Californians will be
stuck with for decades.

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And we cannot keep setting standards

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that spart progress and innovation.

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So I'm asking that this
Commission also reject any plan

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that waste any more money on gas plants

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and prioritize frontline communities

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for clean energy investment
rather than fossil fuels.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you, caller.

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Next caller, please operator.

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Our next
caller is Francis yang.

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You may go ahead.

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Morning.

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My name is Francis.

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I'm calling from the Lake county area

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and I want to talk about

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the proposed IRP proceedings.

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Really I mean calling because
our communities, as you know,

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suffered for far too long,

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living next to fossil
fuel infrastructure,

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pollutes and harms for
the planet and our lungs.

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Many of us look to you to CPUC,

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to phase out gas plants
right next to our homes,

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and to really help build better
future to seem to propose.

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APD makes it exciting to
see that 10,000 megawatts of

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nuclear energy will be procured,

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but also set and disappointed
that an additional 1000

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megawatts of natural
gas is also being delivered.

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We know that this procurement
is in line with the strong

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greenhouse gas reduction,

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but any new procurement of fossil fuels

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just continues to leave us worried

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that gas mints across California

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will continue to be excused to run.

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We have no room for
natural gas in our grid,

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and especially in frontline
communities already overburdened

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with systemic oppression.

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Lastly the introduction of
green hydrogen worries me.

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The sudden addition of green hydrogen

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and the APD signals to us

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that we'll never get rid of
combustion based energy.

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Meaning power plants
will always stay online

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in our communities.

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We don't know enough
about these technologies,

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so it's premature and worrying
that it gets the green light

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to enter our communities
without sufficient education

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and engagement about its impacts.

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Please keep the aggressive
10,000 megawatts of clean energy,

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remove the thousand
megawatts of natural gas

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and just halt any green
hydrogen procurement.

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And so we can better understand
what's going on. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Operator the next caller, please.

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Our next
caller is Shaw Lewis.

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You may go ahead.

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Hello.

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Hello, please go
ahead we can hear you.

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Oh, it's me, sorry.

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Hello. My name is Michelle,

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a concerned resident of Long Beach

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and I'm speaking on the IRP proceeding.

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I'm calling because
California is a leader

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on solving climate
change with legislation

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to move us away from
fossil fuels, relying on gas,

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capital expenses on the IRP proceeding.

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We'll continue to keep
communities in the dark.

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We cannot afford the unhealthy
pollution from gas plants.

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Then we cannot afford being blocked from

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100% local clean energy.

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That's why I'm asking
the CPUC to keep it clean,

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to order over a 10,000 megawatts
of zero emitting resources,

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reject plans to waste any
more money on gas plants

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prioritize frontline
communities for clean energy

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investments rather than fossil fuels.

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Choose a 38 million metric
ton greenhouse gas target now

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and adopt a lower 30
million metric time target.

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Then the next IRP
cycle. Thank you so much.

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Thank you for calling.

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Operator, the next call please.

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Our next caller is
Roger Pandey. Go ahead.

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Hi, thank you very much.

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I'm Roger Pandey from Irvine,

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and I would like to strongly
encourage the CPUC

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to keep rooftop solar

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and battery storage
growing in California

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and not to slow it down
by gutting net metering.

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Instead strengthen it so
that millions more California

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can make store and share solar energy.

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Solar and battery helps
all people including low

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and middle income residents.

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The more apartment
buildings that have rooftop,

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solar and battery,

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the lower electricity bills
will be for those tenants.

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And this cuts across all
rental units from high-end to

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subsidized housing.

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As their conditioning during
summer will likely become more

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prevalent over the years.

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Solar and battery can help
renters and homeowners of all

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incomes, lower their bills
and will help all Californians

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by decreasing stress on the grid.

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I recognize that utilities
must maintain their business.

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They provide jobs and
services to thousands of people.

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However, this bill swings
everything toward their profits

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at the expense of California's grid

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and our citizens' wallets.

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The concern about lower and
middle-income citizens paying

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more on electricity should
be addressed by incentivizing

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more solar and battery,

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not to destroy the solar
and battery industry,

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which will cost thousands
of jobs and kill many small

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businesses.

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The utility say that they'll
have to increase rates. Why?

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When my panels are providing
excess power to my neighbors,

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their meters are still running
because they're pulling power

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from the grid.

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So utilities are charging
them for power that day,

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that utilities are not using
their own resources to produce.

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If they are using less
of their resources,

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why would they have to
charge their customers more?

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Finally, please consider
that solar and battery

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as a model for how we should
face almost all challenges.

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It's about individuals and businesses

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stepping up to do something
to contributes mightily

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to our shared goals.

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We strengthened the incentives
of ordinary citizens like me

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to meet the urgent
challenges of grid stress,

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economic disparity and climate change.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Operator next caller, please.

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Our next caller
is Liz Composts

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with Westside community
council. You may go ahead.

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Good morning.

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I'm Liz, the chair of the
Westside community council

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in Ventura, California.

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I want to remind you
that your website says

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the purpose of the California
Public Utilities Commission

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is to regulate services and
utilities, protect customers,

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and safeguard the environment.

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What we know about
Southern California gas

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is that they are masters
of harming consumers

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and destroying the
California environment.

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In 2021 with both state
and federal government

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calling for swift and
decisive action on climate,

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you cannot allow Southern California Gas

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to expand their Ventura
compressor station

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in the middle of a historically
disadvantaged neighborhood

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where thousands of residents live, work

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and have school aged children.

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You can not allow them
to expand across the street

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from our elementary school

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where the children
can hear the machinery

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and hear the gas or smell the
gas when they play at recess.

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We demand that EIR be
completed for this project

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as soon as possible
for the entire project.

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If you want to join
millions of Californians

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in ending systemic racism

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that has plagued our
nation for over 200 years,

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you will shut this site down.

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We demand that you shut it down.

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Thank you for hearing me.

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Thank you for your call.

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Operator the next caller, please.

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My next
caller is Jan Dietrich

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with the three 50
Ventura, a club climate hub.

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You may go ahead.

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Thank you President
Batjer and Commissioners.

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I have three request.

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I want to bring up the
avoided cost calculator

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that you'll be reviewing,

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that we have noticed has
some quite major changes,

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inappropriate changes.

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We want to remove barriers
to DER's with their transmission

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access charges and ongoing requests.

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And we support Liz and
the west side neighborhood,

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just up the Waterside from us in asking

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or the prohibition of
expansion of a gas compressor

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To meet the goals to decarbonize

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and to triple renewables by 2030,

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we have to stop this fossil
fuel development and accelerate

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rooftop, solar and wholesale
distribution grid, PV,

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and not favor investment
in gas infrastructure

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or in solar on transmission lines.

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In your upcoming review of
the avoided cost calculator.

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This may seem subtle, but be aware.

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The staff is proposing a major
50% cut in the value of BDRs,

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undervaluing, rooftop
solar, and energy efficiency,

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which is how we'll get away

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from our dependence on fossil fuels.

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DER is actually are being
shown to save hundreds of

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billions of dollars

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utilities the IOUS want that
money to their 10% profit

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on transmission.

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We caution you to that.

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The avoided cost calculator
lighter update should properly

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value the ERS from the
perspective of the public

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not IOU benefit.

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That proposal takes us away

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from our goals for resilience,

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which we very much
need in this part of the state

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and safety.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Operator the next caller, please.

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Our next
caller is Bill Reese.

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You may go ahead.

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Take myself off of
mute. Can I be heard please?

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Yes, we hear you fine.

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Please go ahead.

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Thank you.

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My name is Bill Reesenight
and I have a concern

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that applies to effectively
item 35 on our agenda,

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which deals with safety.

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I experienced a very difficult situation

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over the Memorial Day Weekend.

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My father is 86 years
old and lives in San Diego

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while I live in Stockton.

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That's a 10 hour drive.

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My wife and I visited
him before the holiday

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because we went to make
sure everything was good.

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My wife was going to have surgery.

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So all of last week I
was taking care of her.

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And at the end of the week,

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I got a realization I couldn't
get through to my father

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and his buddy who had
flown down to see him at lunch

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calls and said it's as though
his telephone company

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had changed, I did some digging

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and T's team dug and
said no peers that we have

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a change in his service
from copper wire to fiber.

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He needs to reboot his motor.

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Well, unable to reach him
over the entire weekend

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because his phone service
was out, I was very concerned.

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His phone service is tied
to his emergency button.

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He has spent three of the
last eight months in hospital,

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and I was concerned about his health.

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It falls to what is called
bundling your services.

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Whereby a provider gives
you a single point of entry

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for your telephone, your
internet, and your television.

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And in this case,

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AT&T's U-verse service
provided his telephone.

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His telephone was totally useless.

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There was no way for me to
contact him the top of a 14 story

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building in San Diego,
short of calling 911.

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My concern is that as he
services continue with unregulated

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services being provided
the seniors in our community

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and others at risk are not
going to be able to reach out

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when an emergency happens
and that there will be unnecessary

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suffering and deaths as a result.

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The California CPUC needs
to work with the likes of Ricen,

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Comcast AT$T and so
forth that are providing

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all of these bundled services

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so that there is a
way for senior citizens

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to effectively and easily reach out

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in case that bundled service fails.

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Please look at it, find a way,

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and let's take care
of our people in need.

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Have a good day folks.

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Thank you very much.

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Operator please next caller.

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And our next caller
is Ashley Hernandez.

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You may go ahead.

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Hello. My name
is Ashley Hernandez.

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I'm speaking on the IRP proceeding

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and I'm from Wilmington, California

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living in a frontline community.

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I know that harder climates
make gas plants pollute more,

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and the IRP can not allow
more than 30 million metric tons

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of these greenhouse gases
and increasing the emissions

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is another excuse for
recent good progress.

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We are promised in the
state that next IRP decision

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is one that California will
be fed with for decades.

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And we cannot in any way,

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allow frontline
residents that are living

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amongst these plants
to keep setting standards

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and stop the progress
that we desperately need

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and the innovation that our communities

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absolutely desire.

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And that's why I'm asking
the CPUC to keep its plants

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to order over 10,000 megawatts
of zero emitting resources,

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reject the plans to waste any
more money on gas plants.

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This is really the most
important part I want to emphasize

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and obviously choosing

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a 30 metric ton
greenhouse gas target now

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and adopting the lower 30 metric target

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is really important
for the next IRP cycle

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and prioritizing frontline communities

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for clean energy investment
rather than fossil fuels.

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This is absolutely imperative.
Climate change is not ending.

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The health impacts and
realities that frontline communities

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are dealing with on the ground
due to COVID are not getting

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easier and our communities
need actual change in the next

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couple of years.

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So I really want to urge
the CPUC to please listen

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to our concerns as
residents and thank you

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Thank you. Operator
the next caller, please.

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Our next caller
is Dr. Jim Stewart.

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You may go ahead.

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Hi, good morning.

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I'm Jim Stewart, the energy
consultant in Long Beach,

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and I think the Commissioners
need to look into

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what's going on and they
had Randolph's energy division.

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It seems like your staff and
consultants are trying to pull

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a fast one to benefit the
utilities by proposing in draft

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resolution a 51 50 cut of
about 50% in the avoided costs

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calculator, which is, you know,

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is a critical tool to set
the value for local rooftop,

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solar storage and energy
efficiency for your CPUC analysis.

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If you allow this 50% cuts to happen,

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you'll undervalue the
distributed energy resources

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and waste billions on
unneeded transmission lines,

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which of course, as you know,

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benefit utility shareholders
with that excess

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10% guaranteed profits on
transmission investments.

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Take a look at the 350 bay
area comments for an intro

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to how this supposedly minor update

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could cost all ratepayers
millions of dollars

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if you don't stop it now.

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In addition, talking
about wasting millions,

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keep CPUC from cutting the trees.

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They need to Operator the utility wires.

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That's what will help us
stop these power shutoffs.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, operator
the next caller, please.

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Our next
caller is Margo Davis.

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You may go ahead

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Hello. My
name is Margo Davis.

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I am a homeowner on the
west side of Ventura, California,

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living six blocks from the
some Southern California gas

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compressor station at
1555 North College street.

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I am a member of the West
Side Clean Air Coalition,

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Southern California Gas wants to expand

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this compressor station

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with three new high power turbines.

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The PUC has jurisdiction
to help this project

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until an EIR is performed.

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We as a neighborhood coalition,

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as well as the city council of Interra,

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demand an EIR on the
whole expansion project.

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We, the west side community all live

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within the evacuation zone of
this new expanded compressor.

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We are stakeholders.

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We were never given
any notice of this project,

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including the city itself
was never given any notice

00:28:00.990 --> 00:28:03.780
by the DTSC.

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We found out about it by accident
submitted public comments,

00:28:09.190 --> 00:28:11.330
demanding a public hearing,

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which was denied by the DTSC for quote,

00:28:16.027 --> 00:28:18.607
"Lack of public interest".

00:28:20.357 --> 00:28:24.350
The DTSC as part of the California EPA

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is charged with
protecting the environment

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and the communities
from industrial pollution.

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That is their job,

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but by denying proper
notice to stakeholders,

00:28:38.360 --> 00:28:41.303
denying a public
hearing, denying an EIR,

00:28:42.670 --> 00:28:46.920
they are only protecting
the profits of a billion dollar

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corporation, which is
accelerating the climate crisis.

00:28:52.610 --> 00:28:55.610
On behalf of the west side community,

00:28:55.610 --> 00:29:00.180
I request the PUC to hope this expansion

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and require an EIR.

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Thank you.

00:29:06.330 --> 00:29:09.133
Thank you for the call
upgrading next caller, please.

00:29:11.430 --> 00:29:13.270
Our next caller
is Ron Whitehurst

00:29:13.270 --> 00:29:16.060
with spring convent
Tova and secretaries.

00:29:16.060 --> 00:29:16.910
You may go ahead.

00:29:17.970 --> 00:29:19.490
Thank you.

00:29:19.490 --> 00:29:21.650
My name's Ron white Harrison

00:29:21.650 --> 00:29:24.107
live on the west side of Ventura,

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and I'm calling regarding
the gas compressors

00:29:28.270 --> 00:29:33.240
that they want to expand
in west side of Ventura

00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:38.190
and I doc, a low income brown community,

00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:41.430
and they replaced the
originally because was,

00:29:41.430 --> 00:29:43.240
it was a red line district.

00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:45.120
And it's right next to the freeway,

00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:49.530
which was put through
a red line district.

00:29:49.530 --> 00:29:55.890
And so this is a continuation
of racial prejudice

00:29:55.890 --> 00:29:58.620
against poor brown folks.

00:29:58.620 --> 00:30:01.010
And so these compressors certainly

00:30:01.010 --> 00:30:03.180
don't belong in neighbors hoods.

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If they do then why not
move it up to Montecito

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next to Oprah Winfrey's house?

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I'm sure she'd be happy
to be a public service

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to host it in her community.

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This is similar to the
pointed power plant,

00:30:20.760 --> 00:30:25.760
another gas belching power
plant on our coast in Oxnard,

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that so we fought for four years

00:30:28.910 --> 00:30:30.470
to get you to agree with us.

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Don't make us fight you
on this compressor siding.

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You can help a lot by recommending that

00:30:36.380 --> 00:30:39.210
the energy Commission
seriously accelerate,

00:30:39.210 --> 00:30:41.070
getting methane out of buildings.

00:30:41.070 --> 00:30:43.900
We went distribution grid,

00:30:43.900 --> 00:30:45.730
renewable generation in front of,

00:30:45.730 --> 00:30:49.570
and behind the meter for
resiliency and efficiency

00:30:49.570 --> 00:30:52.250
than I constantly
methane infrastructure.

00:30:52.250 --> 00:30:55.883
It's bad for people in the planet.

00:30:57.070 --> 00:31:01.670
Help us not need
these gas resources.

00:31:01.670 --> 00:31:03.620
We don't need them. We don't want them.

00:31:04.510 --> 00:31:07.850
You can offer support
for placing gas stoves

00:31:07.850 --> 00:31:12.170
with things like induction,
heaters and such.

00:31:12.170 --> 00:31:15.210
And we'd like for you
to remove the barriers

00:31:15.210 --> 00:31:20.210
for local generated electricity,

00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:23.300
such as rooftop solar.

00:31:23.300 --> 00:31:26.530
I've got solar panels up on
my roof and I don't want to pay

00:31:26.530 --> 00:31:31.530
no stinking transmission access charges

00:31:33.693 --> 00:31:36.480
to Addison for solar electricity

00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.420
as I'm producing on my
rooftop. That's ridiculous.

00:31:40.420 --> 00:31:44.310
So let's remove the
barriers to local DER's

00:31:45.320 --> 00:31:50.320
and reform any for more
generous payment for compensation.

00:31:56.751 --> 00:31:59.350
And so the value of all of these

00:32:00.570 --> 00:32:05.510
matters for efforts to
provide more resilience

00:32:05.510 --> 00:32:08.250
are worth every penny for everyone

00:32:08.250 --> 00:32:10.193
and especially for low income folks.

00:32:11.100 --> 00:32:11.933
Thank you.

00:32:17.030 --> 00:32:18.783
Operator the
next caller, please.

00:32:22.970 --> 00:32:25.010
Our next caller
is Elliot Gonzalez

00:32:25.010 --> 00:32:26.870
with Mont in long beach.

00:32:26.870 --> 00:32:27.720
You may go ahead.

00:32:29.660 --> 00:32:31.313
Good afternoon,
Commissioner.

00:32:33.550 --> 00:32:35.114
Can you hear me?

00:32:35.114 --> 00:32:36.258
Yes.

00:32:36.258 --> 00:32:37.091
Okay, great.

00:32:37.091 --> 00:32:37.924
I just wanted to check.

00:32:37.924 --> 00:32:39.279
I just wanted to comment.

00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:40.423
So, you know,

00:32:40.423 --> 00:32:43.810
I do thank the Commissioned for creating

00:32:43.810 --> 00:32:46.275
more renewable mandates,

00:32:46.275 --> 00:32:49.320
but I always thought
that these Commissions

00:32:49.320 --> 00:32:51.120
and various bodies HUMD,

00:32:51.120 --> 00:32:53.230
all of them sort of sound weak

00:32:53.230 --> 00:32:56.170
when it comes to the
power over corporations,

00:32:56.170 --> 00:32:57.790
you all are the regulators.

00:32:57.790 --> 00:32:58.623
If you want,

00:32:58.623 --> 00:33:00.610
you have the power to
dissolve these corporations

00:33:00.610 --> 00:33:05.610
for non-compliance or for
egregious offenses to the public

00:33:05.730 --> 00:33:08.030
causing cancer, causing global warming.

00:33:08.030 --> 00:33:10.180
That's huge global
warming is going to be

00:33:10.180 --> 00:33:12.018
the death of all of us.

00:33:12.018 --> 00:33:14.170
You would think that

00:33:14.170 --> 00:33:16.610
you would have you be a little
more harsher than you would

00:33:16.610 --> 00:33:19.040
act as if you are a powerful entity

00:33:19.040 --> 00:33:21.800
in charge of regulating energy.

00:33:21.800 --> 00:33:23.950
Instead I see that these corporations

00:33:23.950 --> 00:33:26.000
are just running
circles around you guys.

00:33:27.130 --> 00:33:28.830
You're talking about renewable energy,

00:33:28.830 --> 00:33:30.620
but even in your latest rule,

00:33:30.620 --> 00:33:33.440
it still makes a space for natural gas.

00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.500
Natural gas is methane.

00:33:35.500 --> 00:33:38.350
It requires water to
extract it from underground.

00:33:38.350 --> 00:33:39.970
A lot of it is done through fracking.

00:33:39.970 --> 00:33:41.600
It's very controversial.

00:33:41.600 --> 00:33:43.543
It's very dangerous and very deadly.

00:33:44.731 --> 00:33:48.120
So I don't know why
California is still including this

00:33:48.120 --> 00:33:49.210
in our energy mix.

00:33:49.210 --> 00:33:51.640
We have nine years before this planet

00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:53.740
reaches a point of no return.

00:33:53.740 --> 00:33:54.600
And here we are,

00:33:54.600 --> 00:33:57.600
we start the day off with
some sort of ceremony.

00:33:57.600 --> 00:33:59.910
Talking about pride in
various months has been

00:33:59.910 --> 00:34:01.230
black lives matter,

00:34:01.230 --> 00:34:03.080
but those are all activists movement.

00:34:03.080 --> 00:34:08.080
People fought to to get these
movements advanced you all are

00:34:08.580 --> 00:34:11.720
in positions of power.
What are you fighting for?

00:34:11.720 --> 00:34:13.530
How are you fighting for the planet?

00:34:13.530 --> 00:34:15.350
Are you fighting for the children?

00:34:15.350 --> 00:34:16.599
Are you fighting for the communities

00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.150
that are affected by these gas plants?

00:34:19.150 --> 00:34:20.560
So I want to hear some of that

00:34:20.560 --> 00:34:22.660
and I want to see it in your regulation.

00:34:22.660 --> 00:34:23.900
You don't have to be an activist,

00:34:23.900 --> 00:34:27.066
but you do have to pass
policies that are in favor

00:34:27.066 --> 00:34:30.707
of a healthy and habitable
planet for future generations

00:34:30.707 --> 00:34:33.430
and for communities
that are suffering now.

00:34:33.430 --> 00:34:35.520
So again,

00:34:35.520 --> 00:34:39.130
methane is not a natural
is not a renewable source.

00:34:39.130 --> 00:34:40.720
It is a fossil fuel.

00:34:40.720 --> 00:34:43.560
I would like to see you
guys over overseeing them.

00:34:43.560 --> 00:34:44.393
Thank you.

00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:49.110
Thank you. Operator,
next caller, please.

00:34:51.510 --> 00:34:53.690
Our next caller
is Abby Thomas.

00:34:53.690 --> 00:34:54.540
You may go ahead.

00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:57.810
Good morning. My
name is Abby Thomas,

00:34:57.810 --> 00:35:00.970
and I'm calling in from
the west side of Ventura.

00:35:00.970 --> 00:35:03.980
As a member of the west
side Ventura community.

00:35:03.980 --> 00:35:07.830
I'm appalled by SoCalGases
Ventura compressor station

00:35:07.830 --> 00:35:09.310
expansion project,

00:35:09.310 --> 00:35:12.470
which is a major industrial
project that has a history of

00:35:12.470 --> 00:35:14.440
leaks and contamination.

00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:15.620
Not only this,

00:35:15.620 --> 00:35:19.910
but if it's in a state recognized
disadvantaged community

00:35:19.910 --> 00:35:22.580
right next to EAP
foster elementary school,

00:35:22.580 --> 00:35:25.330
the boys and girls club
and affordable housing,

00:35:25.330 --> 00:35:28.410
there is no other compressors
station and the residential

00:35:28.410 --> 00:35:31.513
neighborhood like this and
this and this site should not be

00:35:31.513 --> 00:35:35.780
in the Westside neighborhood
like other Ventura community

00:35:35.780 --> 00:35:38.380
members who have spoken and advocating

00:35:38.380 --> 00:35:41.670
for an environmental impact
review of the whole site

00:35:41.670 --> 00:35:43.480
and support other fellow speakers

00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:47.450
demanding no new gas
infrastructure in California.

00:35:47.450 --> 00:35:48.283
Thank you.

00:35:51.150 --> 00:35:53.773
Thank you. Operator
the next caller, please.

00:35:55.727 --> 00:35:57.680
My next caller
is David McCord.

00:35:57.680 --> 00:35:59.030
You may go ahead.

00:35:59.030 --> 00:36:01.760
This is a David
McCord and ratepayer

00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:03.490
and El Sorito.

00:36:03.490 --> 00:36:08.490
I'm speaking about the new
2021 avoided cost calculator

00:36:09.816 --> 00:36:13.220
used in many proceedings.

00:36:13.220 --> 00:36:17.230
I understand that results
using the new version

00:36:17.230 --> 00:36:20.020
are significantly different

00:36:20.020 --> 00:36:23.080
from those using the 2020 version.

00:36:23.080 --> 00:36:26.400
People are seriously concerned.

00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.830
Among other things I've been told

00:36:28.830 --> 00:36:33.830
that avoided transmission
costs are seriously undervalued.

00:36:35.120 --> 00:36:40.640
Over the past five years,
the regulated utilities

00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:44.050
have greatly increased
their revenue requirements

00:36:44.050 --> 00:36:45.540
for transmission costs.

00:36:45.540 --> 00:36:47.690
So at least that's
what they're asking for.

00:36:48.650 --> 00:36:53.260
Also, this agency should work with CAISO

00:36:53.260 --> 00:36:56.320
to remove the transmission access charge

00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:59.480
from distributed energy resources

00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.970
that do not use the
transmission network.

00:37:02.970 --> 00:37:03.803
Thank you.

00:37:10.030 --> 00:37:14.310
I'm done Operator,
next caller, please.

00:37:14.310 --> 00:37:17.630
Next caller
is Dusty Cavazade.

00:37:17.630 --> 00:37:18.480
You may go ahead.

00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:22.153
Hello.

00:37:22.153 --> 00:37:26.060
My name is Yassy and I'm
speaking on behalf of myself.

00:37:26.060 --> 00:37:29.780
I'm a resident of the inland
empire in Southern California,

00:37:29.780 --> 00:37:32.410
and our communities are
burdened with air pollution

00:37:32.410 --> 00:37:36.250
and unavailable opportunities
to generate clean energy.

00:37:36.250 --> 00:37:39.740
I'm also in solidarity with
the caller from Oxnard

00:37:39.740 --> 00:37:44.160
and Ventura regarding the
SoCalGas infrastructure projects.

00:37:44.160 --> 00:37:45.560
Gas infrastructure leaks,

00:37:45.560 --> 00:37:47.030
and harms our communities.

00:37:47.030 --> 00:37:49.610
As we keep its use lower and eventually

00:37:49.610 --> 00:37:51.880
hoping to phase it out.

00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.330
I'm mostly here to speak on
the integrated resources plan.

00:37:55.330 --> 00:37:58.866
I urge the Commission to
choose a 38 million metric ton

00:37:58.866 --> 00:38:01.900
greenhouse gas emission target now,

00:38:01.900 --> 00:38:06.860
and adopt a lower 30 million
metric ton target in the next

00:38:06.860 --> 00:38:08.160
IRP cycle.

00:38:08.160 --> 00:38:13.160
The IRP must reject wasting
resources on gas procurement.

00:38:13.210 --> 00:38:16.980
California can not afford to
move backwards on its renewable

00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:18.340
energy goal.

00:38:18.340 --> 00:38:19.480
A few weeks ago,

00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.960
the California grid was powered
by renewables up to 80%

00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:24.320
at one point.

00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:27.560
We need a resilient operating
system with local renewables

00:38:27.560 --> 00:38:31.400
at the center of it. I hope
they IRP can be an opportunity

00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:33.560
to grow renewable energies and not

00:38:33.560 --> 00:38:35.810
expand the gas infrastructure.

00:38:35.810 --> 00:38:39.380
Many communities in
California simply cannot afford it.

00:38:39.380 --> 00:38:42.840
Then you all have the
opportunity and responsibility

00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.970
to improve not only our
climate and our environment,

00:38:45.970 --> 00:38:49.390
but the health of
individual human lives.

00:38:49.390 --> 00:38:51.373
Thank you for the time to speak today.

00:38:58.140 --> 00:39:00.423
Operator the
next caller, please.

00:39:02.565 --> 00:39:04.930
Our next caller is Alexis.

00:39:04.930 --> 00:39:06.173
You may go ahead.

00:39:07.650 --> 00:39:08.483
Hi, thank you.

00:39:08.483 --> 00:39:09.740
Thanks Commissioner for your time.

00:39:09.740 --> 00:39:12.610
My name is Alexis and I'm
speaking mostly on the integrated

00:39:12.610 --> 00:39:14.600
resource plan proceeding.

00:39:14.600 --> 00:39:17.600
I'm calling because I'm
fearful that our state is not going

00:39:17.600 --> 00:39:19.820
far enough to combat the climate crisis

00:39:19.820 --> 00:39:21.400
with the urgency it needs.

00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:22.340
And as we all know,

00:39:22.340 --> 00:39:24.840
this threatens our entire
species and existence,

00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.070
but it disproportionately
harmed environmental justice

00:39:28.070 --> 00:39:31.020
communities the most
to breathe in toxic air

00:39:31.020 --> 00:39:32.650
and pollution on a daily basis,

00:39:32.650 --> 00:39:35.470
as well as experienced
the worst impacts from

00:39:35.470 --> 00:39:37.300
the intensifying climate disasters

00:39:37.300 --> 00:39:39.450
we've seen across our states.

00:39:39.450 --> 00:39:43.000
The next IRP decision is one
that Californians will be stuck

00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:44.310
with for decades.

00:39:44.310 --> 00:39:46.840
So I think it's very
important that we get it right.

00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:49.530
We can't set standards that
stop progress toward our clean

00:39:49.530 --> 00:39:50.363
energy goals.

00:39:50.363 --> 00:39:53.160
And we absolutely can not
rely on gas capital expenses

00:39:53.160 --> 00:39:54.893
that keep leaving our communities.

00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.760
This is why I'm asking the
Commission and the CPUC

00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.010
to please first and
foremost reject any plans

00:40:02.010 --> 00:40:04.600
to waste more money on gas plants.

00:40:04.600 --> 00:40:07.810
Secondly, I asked the
Commission to keep its plans

00:40:07.810 --> 00:40:09.940
to order over 10,000 megawatts

00:40:09.940 --> 00:40:12.720
of zero emitting resources and to

00:40:12.720 --> 00:40:14.350
prioritize frontline communities

00:40:14.350 --> 00:40:15.790
for clean energy investment,

00:40:15.790 --> 00:40:19.640
and finally to choose a 38
million metric ton greenhouse gas

00:40:19.640 --> 00:40:23.737
target now and adopt a lower
30 million metric tons target

00:40:23.737 --> 00:40:25.320
and the next IRP cycle,

00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.070
which will really help us be on track

00:40:28.070 --> 00:40:29.830
for our clean energy goal

00:40:29.830 --> 00:40:32.050
while there's some exciting
parts of the alternative

00:40:32.050 --> 00:40:33.500
proposed decision in the IRP.

00:40:34.710 --> 00:40:35.543
As I mentioned,

00:40:35.543 --> 00:40:38.110
we're in a climate emergency
and therefore urge the

00:40:38.110 --> 00:40:40.260
Commission to please go further

00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:42.410
and get this decision, right.

00:40:42.410 --> 00:40:44.920
Lastly, just want to
mention also in reference

00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:46.730
to the utility that proceeding,

00:40:46.730 --> 00:40:49.690
I also urge the Commission
to do everything in its power

00:40:49.690 --> 00:40:53.170
to provide full UT utility
debt relief for all Californians,

00:40:53.170 --> 00:40:56.380
and to create an easy and
expedient process for the relief

00:40:56.380 --> 00:40:59.540
to be delivered in a way that
does not place any additional

00:40:59.540 --> 00:41:03.360
burdens on customers only
then will we be able to recover

00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:07.450
from the COVID crisis and
begin to repair our state?

00:41:07.450 --> 00:41:09.050
Thank you so much for your time.

00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.070
Thank you for your call.

00:41:12.070 --> 00:41:13.923
Operator, next caller, please.

00:41:15.890 --> 00:41:18.650
Our next
caller is Wendy Avila.

00:41:18.650 --> 00:41:19.500
You may go ahead.

00:41:22.430 --> 00:41:23.370
Hello.

00:41:23.370 --> 00:41:27.690
Hi, this is Wendy Alvina and
I'm from the city of Maywood.

00:41:27.690 --> 00:41:29.160
Good afternoon, everyone.

00:41:29.160 --> 00:41:32.330
I'm here to comment
about the IRP proceedings.

00:41:32.330 --> 00:41:34.290
I think it's urgent that the CPUP

00:41:34.290 --> 00:41:36.980
are more strict with the
MMT recommendations,

00:41:36.980 --> 00:41:40.480
and I also want to like mimic
everyone else that has also

00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.200
commented on this and how urgent it is

00:41:43.200 --> 00:41:46.390
in order to prioritize
this for our planet

00:41:46.390 --> 00:41:48.080
and wellbeing for all our futures

00:41:48.080 --> 00:41:50.470
and livelihoods on this earth.

00:41:50.470 --> 00:41:52.980
I also asked to eliminate fossil fuels

00:41:52.980 --> 00:41:55.850
and that the communities
they're out the front lines

00:41:55.850 --> 00:41:57.030
are communities of color

00:41:57.030 --> 00:41:59.960
like the one that I currently
live in and are impacted

00:41:59.960 --> 00:42:01.660
on a daily basis.

00:42:01.660 --> 00:42:03.100
We're tired of falling sick

00:42:03.100 --> 00:42:05.760
from living near
oil drilling facilities.

00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.670
These are livelihoods or
homes, places that you know,

00:42:08.670 --> 00:42:11.820
we see every single day
that we live in every day.

00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:14.980
And we are at an extreme disadvantage.

00:42:14.980 --> 00:42:17.850
The CPUC needs to step it
up and transition into cleaner

00:42:17.850 --> 00:42:19.420
forms of energy.

00:42:19.420 --> 00:42:22.970
We don't want to move forward
with putting communities of

00:42:22.970 --> 00:42:24.370
color at risk,

00:42:24.370 --> 00:42:27.680
and we want clean energy
and healthy communities.

00:42:27.680 --> 00:42:28.513
Thank you.

00:42:30.889 --> 00:42:31.900
Thank you for the call.

00:42:31.900 --> 00:42:33.610
Operator, the next caller, please

00:42:38.925 --> 00:42:39.923
Patty Glick.
You may go ahead.

00:42:40.870 --> 00:42:41.730
Thank you.

00:42:41.730 --> 00:42:45.010
My name is Patty Glick
with the Alisal moms Alliance.

00:42:45.010 --> 00:42:48.530
I also serve on the Aliso
canyon disaster health steady

00:42:48.530 --> 00:42:50.260
community advisory group.

00:42:50.260 --> 00:42:51.970
As someone who has experienced

00:42:51.970 --> 00:42:55.140
the worst gas disaster in US history,

00:42:55.140 --> 00:42:58.770
the lethal canyon gas law in 2015,

00:42:58.770 --> 00:43:03.520
I improre the CPUC to
reconsider any plan expansion

00:43:03.520 --> 00:43:06.390
of the Venter compressor station.

00:43:06.390 --> 00:43:08.330
We know from the Lisa facility,

00:43:08.330 --> 00:43:09.670
which has been managed,

00:43:09.670 --> 00:43:14.110
proven to be managed by
Saco gas in negligent manner

00:43:14.110 --> 00:43:17.570
that our gas operations
damaged the health of nearby

00:43:17.570 --> 00:43:21.450
communities then seen at
other carcinogens are admitted

00:43:21.450 --> 00:43:23.363
daily from Alyssa Playa Del Rey,

00:43:24.439 --> 00:43:27.740
the Interra compressor
station at other gas facilities.

00:43:27.740 --> 00:43:30.230
CastleBay elementary
school in Porter ranch

00:43:30.230 --> 00:43:33.550
has seen too many teachers
come down with cancer.

00:43:33.550 --> 00:43:35.490
The latest I've heard is Tan.

00:43:35.490 --> 00:43:39.020
I wonder how many teachers
and students at AP foster

00:43:39.020 --> 00:43:41.700
elementary school will suffer
the same fate because of this

00:43:41.700 --> 00:43:43.530
comparison station.

00:43:43.530 --> 00:43:47.120
This station should not be
located near a community,

00:43:47.120 --> 00:43:50.180
which will be at risk from
the emissions and from the

00:43:50.180 --> 00:43:51.760
possibility of explosions.

00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.100
I hope the CPUC will
value health and safety

00:43:55.100 --> 00:43:56.870
over coal gas profits.

00:43:56.870 --> 00:43:59.670
Let's move California off of the use of

00:43:59.670 --> 00:44:01.740
harmful fossil fuels for good.

00:44:01.740 --> 00:44:03.053
Thank you very much.

00:44:03.910 --> 00:44:05.350
Thank you for your call.

00:44:05.350 --> 00:44:07.023
Operator, next caller, please.

00:44:10.263 --> 00:44:12.223
My next
caller is John Brooks

00:44:13.580 --> 00:44:15.550
from Oakview near west Ventura.

00:44:15.550 --> 00:44:16.583
You may go ahead.

00:44:17.520 --> 00:44:18.800
Thank you Commissioners.

00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.420
You've you've heard now from many people

00:44:21.420 --> 00:44:23.890
about the McFarland gas compressor unit.

00:44:23.890 --> 00:44:26.080
What we need now is that
he's the Commissioner to step

00:44:26.080 --> 00:44:29.500
forward and put this on an
agenda for future discussion.

00:44:29.500 --> 00:44:32.710
Let Southern California gas
come in and explain why they

00:44:32.710 --> 00:44:35.110
need this facility. And if
it's a legend, if it's safe,

00:44:35.110 --> 00:44:36.430
according to them.

00:44:36.430 --> 00:44:38.500
We needed commisioners to step forward

00:44:38.500 --> 00:44:40.940
to correct the environmental injustice,

00:44:40.940 --> 00:44:43.990
which of Commissioners
would send your kids

00:44:43.990 --> 00:44:47.540
to EAP foster school in this
disadvantaged community

00:44:47.540 --> 00:44:50.730
directly across the street
from this compressor station?

00:44:50.730 --> 00:44:53.360
I was reading about the
backgrounds of the Commissioners.

00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:58.360
One said she was really
interested in environmental equity.

00:44:58.490 --> 00:45:01.600
Are those just words or
is there really something

00:45:01.600 --> 00:45:03.750
to environmental equity?

00:45:03.750 --> 00:45:06.850
There was another air quality
expert on the Commission

00:45:06.850 --> 00:45:08.350
why is the air quality at this

00:45:08.350 --> 00:45:10.130
environmental justice location

00:45:10.130 --> 00:45:12.600
not important to you Commissioner?

00:45:12.600 --> 00:45:16.980
The reason no one wants
the EIR is because they know

00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:20.070
the explosive danger
can not be mitigated.

00:45:20.070 --> 00:45:22.360
You need to put this
on the future agenda

00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:23.980
and let's move this forward.

00:45:23.980 --> 00:45:27.000
We're going to call every
meeting until this is done.

00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.800
I thank you very much for your time.

00:45:30.437 --> 00:45:31.820
Thank you for your call.

00:45:31.820 --> 00:45:33.823
Operator, the next caller, please.

00:45:36.050 --> 00:45:38.140
Our next
caller is Alden Slider.

00:45:38.140 --> 00:45:40.010
with the city of Ventura.

00:45:40.010 --> 00:45:40.860
You may go ahead.

00:45:42.860 --> 00:45:43.693
Hello.

00:45:43.693 --> 00:45:44.950
My name is Alden slider and I live

00:45:44.950 --> 00:45:46.580
and work in the city of Ventura.

00:45:46.580 --> 00:45:49.310
I'm calling to echo the demand
for an environmental impact

00:45:49.310 --> 00:45:52.040
review of the SoCalGas
compressor station project in the

00:45:52.040 --> 00:45:54.220
west side neighborhood of our city,

00:45:54.220 --> 00:45:56.680
the proximity of this
dangerous project to a residential

00:45:56.680 --> 00:45:58.440
community, one that
is disproportionately

00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.110
economically disadvantaged
at that is unprecedented

00:46:01.110 --> 00:46:02.940
and unacceptable.

00:46:02.940 --> 00:46:05.290
We must prioritize the health
and safety of the members of

00:46:05.290 --> 00:46:06.123
our community,

00:46:06.123 --> 00:46:08.060
especially those who have
been historically put at risk

00:46:08.060 --> 00:46:09.280
by commercial interests.

00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:10.113
Thank you.

00:46:12.410 --> 00:46:13.243
Thank you.

00:46:13.243 --> 00:46:14.653
Operator, next caller please.

00:46:16.799 --> 00:46:19.130
And our next
caller is Troy Corley.

00:46:19.130 --> 00:46:19.980
You may go ahead.

00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.240
Hi, this is Troy Corley

00:46:23.240 --> 00:46:26.333
and I am a resident of Ventura county,

00:46:26.333 --> 00:46:30.970
and I'm also a member of
the Westside clean air coalition.

00:46:30.970 --> 00:46:33.700
And I'm finding it rather shocking

00:46:33.700 --> 00:46:36.690
that we're having to beg our CPUC

00:46:38.040 --> 00:46:40.250
to do something about a situation

00:46:40.250 --> 00:46:45.250
that is clearly detrimental
to our entire county.

00:46:45.820 --> 00:46:50.820
It's your job to make
sure that these utilities

00:46:50.990 --> 00:46:54.420
are taking care of business,

00:46:54.420 --> 00:46:56.640
not only in terms of economic health,

00:46:56.640 --> 00:46:58.170
which I saw on your website,

00:46:58.170 --> 00:47:01.540
but in terms of our
environmental health.

00:47:01.540 --> 00:47:04.740
And this compressor station

00:47:04.740 --> 00:47:06.980
that is across the
street from the school,

00:47:06.980 --> 00:47:10.710
doesn't even provide gas
to the low income community

00:47:10.710 --> 00:47:12.920
in which it sits.

00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:17.680
It pushes that gas further
north and all the while

00:47:17.680 --> 00:47:22.550
it is contaminating the
air around the community,

00:47:22.550 --> 00:47:25.990
including children at a
school across the street.

00:47:25.990 --> 00:47:30.270
If SIM Bruno did not
put you guys on alert

00:47:30.270 --> 00:47:35.130
where just a pipeline blew
up and destroyed a community,

00:47:35.130 --> 00:47:36.950
what the heck are you going to do?

00:47:36.950 --> 00:47:39.970
If this compressor station blows up

00:47:39.970 --> 00:47:42.350
wide across from a school

00:47:42.350 --> 00:47:47.203
and right across from a low
income housing community.

00:47:48.570 --> 00:47:51.750
Also Alicia has that taught you nothing.

00:47:51.750 --> 00:47:54.500
I hope it's taught you something because

00:47:54.500 --> 00:47:58.680
we need you to step up and
do your job. We need an EIR.

00:47:58.680 --> 00:48:01.550
We need SoCalGas to
answer our questions.

00:48:01.550 --> 00:48:05.000
We have been to forums, we
have been online with them.

00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:06.610
They're not answering our questions

00:48:06.610 --> 00:48:10.010
and they can go forward as they please.

00:48:10.010 --> 00:48:12.300
That's not the way
it's supposed to work.

00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:15.380
And we hope that you'll
step up and do your job.

00:48:15.380 --> 00:48:16.513
Thank you so much.

00:48:17.640 --> 00:48:18.980
Thank you for the call.

00:48:18.980 --> 00:48:20.703
Upgrading the next caller, please.

00:48:22.882 --> 00:48:25.100
My next caller
is Alex Massey.

00:48:25.100 --> 00:48:25.950
You may go ahead.

00:48:27.100 --> 00:48:28.643
Hello. Can you hear me?

00:48:30.060 --> 00:48:32.270
Yes we can. Go ahead please.

00:48:32.270 --> 00:48:33.310
Awesome. Thank you.

00:48:33.310 --> 00:48:36.210
Hi, I'm Alex Massey and
I'm a high school student

00:48:36.210 --> 00:48:38.610
calling from Camerino California.

00:48:38.610 --> 00:48:40.890
As a member of the
environmental voices academy

00:48:40.890 --> 00:48:43.610
with sea frog I am demanding the CPUC

00:48:43.610 --> 00:48:48.020
stop the expansion of the
SoCalGas, Vinture compressor.

00:48:48.020 --> 00:48:49.980
The gas compressor poses public health,

00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:53.050
environmental and social
justice issues in the west side

00:48:53.050 --> 00:48:55.730
community and California as a whole.

00:48:55.730 --> 00:48:57.100
As a young environmentalist,

00:48:57.100 --> 00:49:00.350
I'm adamant about rapidly
moving away from fossil fuels,

00:49:00.350 --> 00:49:04.620
fuel energy to protect
current and future generations.

00:49:04.620 --> 00:49:06.317
The kids, parents, teachers,

00:49:06.317 --> 00:49:08.930
and community members in
the west side neighborhood in

00:49:08.930 --> 00:49:12.550
California are counting on
you to make the right decision.

00:49:12.550 --> 00:49:14.680
One based on the
wellbeing of our community,

00:49:14.680 --> 00:49:17.930
not the wellbeing of the
billion dollar corporation.

00:49:17.930 --> 00:49:20.240
Please listen to our
community and do the right thing

00:49:20.240 --> 00:49:21.620
by stopping the expansion

00:49:21.620 --> 00:49:24.673
of the SoCalGas compressor
station. Thank you.

00:49:27.290 --> 00:49:28.760
Thank you for your call.

00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:30.793
Operator, the next caller, please.

00:49:32.570 --> 00:49:34.090
Our next caller is Liz bell

00:49:34.090 --> 00:49:36.703
with Sea Frog in Ventura county.

00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:40.250
Yeah. Hi, good morning.

00:49:40.250 --> 00:49:43.430
My name is Liz bell. I'm the
executive director at sea frog.

00:49:43.430 --> 00:49:46.100
I also have a
background in biostatistics,

00:49:46.100 --> 00:49:48.636
epidemiology and public health.

00:49:48.636 --> 00:49:52.850
I wanted to just highlight
the fact that the health effects

00:49:52.850 --> 00:49:55.820
of natural gas at living
near these types of facilities

00:49:55.820 --> 00:49:58.510
in Ventura, especially
on vulnerable populations,

00:49:58.510 --> 00:50:00.940
like young children as well known.

00:50:00.940 --> 00:50:04.710
So the fact that this
compressor station is placed

00:50:04.710 --> 00:50:07.560
right across the street
from an elementary school

00:50:07.560 --> 00:50:11.560
and a boys and girls club
means that the pollution burdens

00:50:11.560 --> 00:50:14.730
experienced by this
community are extra, extra high.

00:50:14.730 --> 00:50:18.700
The 10,000 foot view can
be found in CalEnviroScreen.

00:50:18.700 --> 00:50:21.150
So if you go to that tool
and you look at Ventura,

00:50:21.150 --> 00:50:23.120
the city of Ventura as a whole,

00:50:23.120 --> 00:50:25.450
you'll see a long
skinny strip to the west.

00:50:25.450 --> 00:50:26.850
That's the west side,

00:50:26.850 --> 00:50:29.710
it's bright red where everything
else is yellow and green.

00:50:29.710 --> 00:50:33.560
That's the long history of
environmental racism in Ventura

00:50:33.560 --> 00:50:37.670
that has caused this area to
be overburdened with pollution

00:50:37.670 --> 00:50:39.650
for more than a hundred years.

00:50:39.650 --> 00:50:42.280
It's time for that practice
to come to an end.

00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:44.680
And now I want to take you
down on the street level to a

00:50:44.680 --> 00:50:47.130
story told to me by a friend of mine.

00:50:47.130 --> 00:50:49.570
This was September in 2020,

00:50:49.570 --> 00:50:52.630
and the whole neighborhood
filled with the smell of gas.

00:50:52.630 --> 00:50:54.490
Dozens of people called 911,

00:50:54.490 --> 00:50:56.490
called the fire department,

00:50:56.490 --> 00:50:59.160
children had asthma attacks, nosebleeds,

00:50:59.160 --> 00:51:03.740
everything was deemed
dangerous on the ground.

00:51:03.740 --> 00:51:06.390
And finally relayed
through the fire department.

00:51:06.390 --> 00:51:07.930
The message came.

00:51:07.930 --> 00:51:10.430
SoCalGas is just
blowing out their pipes.

00:51:10.430 --> 00:51:12.810
There's nothing to worry about.

00:51:12.810 --> 00:51:15.620
That's how this community gets treated.

00:51:15.620 --> 00:51:18.190
That's what happens
when environmental racism

00:51:18.190 --> 00:51:20.850
is allowed to continue for
more than a hundred years.

00:51:20.850 --> 00:51:24.180
We want that to come to
an end right now it's time.

00:51:24.180 --> 00:51:25.730
And it's in your hands.

00:51:25.730 --> 00:51:28.750
We recently had a
conversation with CPUC staff

00:51:28.750 --> 00:51:31.090
who were very dismissive of this.

00:51:31.090 --> 00:51:34.770
He UCS ability to conduct an
environmental impact report.

00:51:34.770 --> 00:51:37.970
They claim that all their approval
that SoCalGas gas needed

00:51:37.970 --> 00:51:40.710
was in the general rate case in 2019.

00:51:40.710 --> 00:51:44.260
So two paragraphs, but
don't mention any of that

00:51:44.260 --> 00:51:45.800
are being used to justify a

00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:48.060
massive expansion project.

00:51:48.060 --> 00:51:49.880
That's just not morally, right?

00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.200
It's also not technically correct.

00:51:52.200 --> 00:51:54.543
Please direct your
staff to conduct an EIR.

00:51:56.700 --> 00:51:57.533
Thank you.

00:51:57.533 --> 00:51:58.993
Operator the next caller please.

00:52:02.750 --> 00:52:05.730
And our next
caller is Annalise Flung.

00:52:05.730 --> 00:52:06.563
Go ahead.

00:52:07.950 --> 00:52:08.783
Good morning.

00:52:08.783 --> 00:52:10.480
My name is Annalise and
I am a high school student

00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:12.250
from Kimberly of California.

00:52:12.250 --> 00:52:14.840
In Tara city Council passed
a resolution on May 10th,

00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.730
unanimously asking for
further review finished project

00:52:17.730 --> 00:52:20.670
or the city council meetings,
residents, parents, teachers,

00:52:20.670 --> 00:52:23.360
the housing authority and
others testified in both English

00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:25.280
and Spanish about their concerns.

00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.410
Over 280 emails are submitted
in support of an environmental

00:52:28.410 --> 00:52:29.940
review of expansions.

00:52:29.940 --> 00:52:31.440
It is obvious that the public does not

00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.024
want the SoCalGas in the
Ventura and neighborhoods.

00:52:34.024 --> 00:52:34.857
Thank you.

00:52:37.110 --> 00:52:37.943
Thank you.

00:52:37.943 --> 00:52:39.593
Operator, next caller, please.

00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.563
Hello, next caller please.

00:52:52.750 --> 00:52:53.853
How are you there?

00:52:55.176 --> 00:52:58.520
Our next caller is Angie.

00:52:58.520 --> 00:52:59.793
Angie, you may proceed.

00:53:01.100 --> 00:53:02.050
Yes. Hello.

00:53:02.050 --> 00:53:05.276
This is Angie I'm
speaking regarding the Ms.

00:53:05.276 --> 00:53:09.520
I'm a resident of the IAE
and I'm speaking on the IRP

00:53:09.520 --> 00:53:10.470
decision.

00:53:10.470 --> 00:53:15.470
I hope I encourage and have
faith that the CPUC will uplift

00:53:16.250 --> 00:53:19.080
and fight for disadvantaged communities

00:53:20.120 --> 00:53:21.010
with more than just words

00:53:21.010 --> 00:53:24.800
we need y'all to do more
than just give uplifting words

00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:26.460
on specific months.

00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:29.260
We should celebrate
every day folks lives

00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:33.330
and what does our community
need? Yes, clean air.

00:53:33.330 --> 00:53:36.323
How can you help?
Well, here's a few ways.

00:53:37.740 --> 00:53:42.028
Move forward with the plans
to order over 10,000 megawatts

00:53:42.028 --> 00:53:45.960
of zero emitting resources
and per ties to disadvantaged

00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:47.060
communities.

00:53:47.060 --> 00:53:51.240
We shouldn't have to beg
y'all to make sure y'all vote

00:53:51.240 --> 00:53:54.640
the right way to throw us a lifesaver.

00:53:54.640 --> 00:53:59.320
This major investment in
renewable energy is the right level

00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:00.390
of you built that.

00:54:00.390 --> 00:54:04.140
We need to meet our climate
goals and remedy California's

00:54:04.140 --> 00:54:06.070
terrible air quality.

00:54:06.070 --> 00:54:07.430
During this pandemic,

00:54:07.430 --> 00:54:10.517
the last thing we need is
y'all wasting taxpayers' money

00:54:10.517 --> 00:54:14.460
on gas plants that are
harming our communities.

00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:17.930
As someone from the LGBTQ
community that you spoke

00:54:17.930 --> 00:54:20.090
so dear up earlier,

00:54:20.090 --> 00:54:24.110
The last thing I need as
I walked down the streets

00:54:24.110 --> 00:54:27.530
of my community and having
to always watch my back

00:54:27.530 --> 00:54:31.283
because of the hate that
goes on in our society, please,

00:54:33.820 --> 00:54:35.520
that goes on our societies.

00:54:35.520 --> 00:54:39.330
I don't want to have to worry
about the air I'm breathing,

00:54:39.330 --> 00:54:41.200
that's poisoning my lungs.

00:54:41.200 --> 00:54:45.480
Please do your part to stand
with us and show us some love

00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:47.250
gas equals hate.

00:54:47.250 --> 00:54:50.030
So please, are you an ally accomplished?

00:54:50.030 --> 00:54:52.132
Are you just full of words?

00:54:52.132 --> 00:54:55.255
Thank you.

00:54:55.255 --> 00:54:56.610
Thank you for your call.

00:54:56.610 --> 00:54:58.323
Operator, the next caller, please.

00:55:01.270 --> 00:55:03.463
Our next caller is Anika.

00:55:06.420 --> 00:55:08.883
Hi, can you hear me?

00:55:09.850 --> 00:55:11.500
Yes, we can please go ahead.

00:55:11.500 --> 00:55:12.333
Okay.

00:55:14.500 --> 00:55:16.650
First I want to acknowledge
the other speaker

00:55:16.650 --> 00:55:21.030
who reminded us all of
the incident in San Bruno.

00:55:21.030 --> 00:55:23.960
And I hadn't planned
on speaking to that point,

00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:27.670
but it happens that my
brother is a battalion chief

00:55:27.670 --> 00:55:30.840
with the San Bruno city fire department.

00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:32.900
And it was his station and his engine

00:55:32.900 --> 00:55:36.160
that was the first one
to go in on that call

00:55:36.160 --> 00:55:38.610
on that horrific explosion.

00:55:38.610 --> 00:55:43.610
It was also his job
to take the families in

00:55:43.830 --> 00:55:46.160
after the devastation

00:55:46.160 --> 00:55:48.560
and to show them their
homes or show them where

00:55:48.560 --> 00:55:49.810
their loved ones died.

00:55:49.810 --> 00:55:54.810
He personally accompanied
those people in to that situation.

00:55:55.830 --> 00:55:58.330
I didn't expect to get this emotional,

00:55:58.330 --> 00:56:01.953
but I wanted to predicate
my comments with that.

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.640
I oppose the expansion
of the SoCalGas station

00:56:05.640 --> 00:56:06.680
in west Ventura

00:56:07.610 --> 00:56:09.103
and demand a proper EIR.

00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:12.760
The city of Ventura resolved unanimously

00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:14.890
to request further review last month,

00:56:14.890 --> 00:56:17.970
based on overwhelming community
concern about the risks and

00:56:17.970 --> 00:56:22.050
pollution his station
presents to this neighborhood.

00:56:22.050 --> 00:56:26.030
One of the most economically
and socially marginalized parts

00:56:26.030 --> 00:56:27.193
of our county.

00:56:28.080 --> 00:56:30.360
This project is a violation of the PUC

00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:32.840
is environmental justice policies.

00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.880
There is no other such
compressor station in a residential

00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:37.810
neighborhood like this.

00:56:37.810 --> 00:56:41.100
This type of expansion
project has a history of leaks

00:56:41.100 --> 00:56:44.240
and contamination and
should not be approved.

00:56:44.240 --> 00:56:49.240
Please stop investing in
greenhouse gas production for the

00:56:49.300 --> 00:56:53.690
sake of all that is
precious and irreplaceable.

00:56:53.690 --> 00:56:55.913
And I thank you for your service.

00:56:58.180 --> 00:56:59.760
Thank you for your call.

00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.523
Operator, next caller, please.

00:57:04.493 --> 00:57:06.880
My next caller
is Nancy Chevelle.

00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:07.730
You may go ahead.

00:57:09.520 --> 00:57:11.470
Hi, my name
is Nancy Checelle.

00:57:11.470 --> 00:57:15.210
I'm a member of the
Ventura county community.

00:57:15.210 --> 00:57:18.710
I really appreciate the street
view story that Liz shared

00:57:18.710 --> 00:57:23.593
regarding the measurable
negative impacts.

00:57:26.115 --> 00:57:29.170
We well it is measurable.

00:57:29.170 --> 00:57:30.003
Anyway.

00:57:30.003 --> 00:57:32.026
I want to reiterate the comments
that we've heard from all

00:57:32.026 --> 00:57:34.641
of our community members
regarding the gas compression

00:57:34.641 --> 00:57:38.490
project and what to echo
Elliot's reminder is that

00:57:38.490 --> 00:57:41.310
your Commission has
the power to guide us

00:57:41.310 --> 00:57:43.223
thoughtfully into the future.

00:57:44.190 --> 00:57:47.370
The well-prepared public
comments that we've heard this

00:57:47.370 --> 00:57:50.320
morning reflects so many
of our residents perspectives

00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:54.020
regarding those risks and
consequences, and no doubt,

00:57:54.020 --> 00:57:55.490
there are many more of our neighbors

00:57:55.490 --> 00:57:57.560
would call in if they could,

00:57:57.560 --> 00:57:59.790
or if they even knew
that it was possible

00:57:59.790 --> 00:58:03.060
to voice their
opposition to this project,

00:58:03.060 --> 00:58:06.890
both in terms of public safety
and environmental safety,

00:58:06.890 --> 00:58:10.600
I will add that my husband
is a mathematician engineer

00:58:10.600 --> 00:58:13.340
at NASA, which I at JPL.

00:58:13.340 --> 00:58:16.420
And part of the mission of
NASA is to measure harmful global

00:58:16.420 --> 00:58:18.770
emissions. It is clear
that we have already

00:58:21.310 --> 00:58:26.310
been informed of the significant
issues from the compressor

00:58:27.160 --> 00:58:28.070
that we already have.

00:58:28.070 --> 00:58:31.483
It is a super emitter not a good title.

00:58:33.860 --> 00:58:36.510
I just want to reiterate the
need for greener energy

00:58:36.510 --> 00:58:41.080
mentioned by so many of
our residents and as retired

00:58:41.080 --> 00:58:41.913
teacher,

00:58:41.913 --> 00:58:43.750
I will piggyback on the
other callers concerns

00:58:43.750 --> 00:58:48.160
regarding unfair impact on
communities of lower income

00:58:48.160 --> 00:58:50.510
and the lack of
notification of this project

00:58:50.510 --> 00:58:53.910
due to supposedly
lack of public interests.

00:58:53.910 --> 00:58:58.030
Please do not allow Ventura
compressor project to proceed

00:58:58.030 --> 00:59:01.270
and focus instead on
decreasing harm to both people

00:59:01.270 --> 00:59:02.490
and the environment.

00:59:02.490 --> 00:59:03.323
Thank you.

00:59:14.270 --> 00:59:15.633
Next caller please.

00:59:18.405 --> 00:59:20.760
And the next
caller is Hans Cole.

00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:21.610
You may go ahead.

00:59:25.220 --> 00:59:26.410
Hello.

00:59:26.410 --> 00:59:28.210
My name is Hans Cole and I
lead the environmental team at

00:59:28.210 --> 00:59:31.130
Patagonia and outdoor clothing
and gear company has been in

00:59:31.130 --> 00:59:34.169
business in Ventura for nearly
50 years with over 500 local

00:59:34.169 --> 00:59:36.379
employees.

00:59:36.379 --> 00:59:38.850
SoCalGasses and
Ventura compressor station

00:59:38.850 --> 00:59:41.200
expansion project is
just over a mile away

00:59:41.200 --> 00:59:43.490
from Patagonia's global headquarters.

00:59:43.490 --> 00:59:45.810
And as you've heard
already from many folks today,

00:59:45.810 --> 00:59:49.274
it's right across the street
from EAP foster elementary

00:59:49.274 --> 00:59:50.357
school and the boys and
girls club of interrupt and in the

00:59:50.357 --> 00:59:54.030
immediate vicinity of many
homes and businesses,

00:59:54.030 --> 00:59:57.909
this is a neighborhood where
it employees and many of our

00:59:57.909 --> 01:00:00.770
larger community live work
and spend significant time.

01:00:00.770 --> 01:00:02.480
And our concern has already been stated,

01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:04.960
but compressor stations
like this one have a history

01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.710
of documented leaks and contamination

01:00:07.710 --> 01:00:10.010
and or even at risk of explosion.

01:00:10.010 --> 01:00:12.830
Recent Ventura city council
meetings have been packed with

01:00:12.830 --> 01:00:16.110
local people voicing their
concerns, parents, teachers,

01:00:16.110 --> 01:00:18.290
kids, businesses like ours,

01:00:18.290 --> 01:00:21.620
housing authority speaking
in English and Spanish

01:00:21.620 --> 01:00:24.450
and given our city
council's unanimous decision

01:00:24.450 --> 01:00:26.420
to pass a resolution for further review

01:00:26.420 --> 01:00:28.290
of the compressor station.

01:00:28.290 --> 01:00:31.800
It's clear that the community
does not want this facility in

01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:34.160
such a densely populated neighborhood.

01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:37.390
So near to schools,
street kids and families.

01:00:37.390 --> 01:00:38.700
More than that this is in a state

01:00:38.700 --> 01:00:40.250
recognized disadvantaged community,

01:00:40.250 --> 01:00:43.960
which makes this an
environmental justice issue as well.

01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:45.366
Patagonia supports all of our fellow

01:00:45.366 --> 01:00:46.990
Ventura community members,

01:00:46.990 --> 01:00:49.240
Who've expressed their
concerns about the site

01:00:49.240 --> 01:00:51.020
and we join them in demanding

01:00:51.020 --> 01:00:53.480
a full environmental impact review,

01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:57.350
clean up and shut down of
this compressor station site.

01:00:57.350 --> 01:00:59.760
I thank you very much for
your time and your serious

01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:01.453
consideration of these concerns.

01:01:03.130 --> 01:01:04.800
Thank you for your call.

01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:06.423
Operator, next caller, please.

01:01:08.270 --> 01:01:10.810
Our next
caller is Issa Silva.

01:01:10.810 --> 01:01:11.660
You may go ahead.

01:01:13.460 --> 01:01:15.480
Hi, my name is Issa Silva.

01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.400
I'm a resident of the
west side of Ventura,

01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:22.861
and I'm also a mother of two
children that will be attending

01:01:22.861 --> 01:01:24.983
AP foster elementary in the fall.

01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:29.210
I cannot state how disappointed I am,

01:01:29.210 --> 01:01:32.570
that one that I just found out that

01:01:32.570 --> 01:01:34.110
there's a fell castration.

01:01:34.110 --> 01:01:39.110
That was right across the
street where my kids go to school.

01:01:39.210 --> 01:01:41.280
Honestly, how many of us,

01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:43.730
how many of you would send your kids

01:01:43.730 --> 01:01:47.050
to AP Faster knowing
this now on the job.

01:01:48.090 --> 01:01:50.740
I just found this out and

01:01:51.690 --> 01:01:55.490
I have no means to like
move my kids to another school

01:01:55.490 --> 01:01:58.750
with this at this time anymore.

01:01:58.750 --> 01:02:01.840
I don't want my kids
inhaling all of these

01:02:04.220 --> 01:02:08.503
messing with the August
speaks of heavy happening.

01:02:09.460 --> 01:02:10.930
I don't want my kids growing up

01:02:10.930 --> 01:02:14.110
to have asthma problems, cancer.

01:02:14.110 --> 01:02:17.287
I'm concerned for the
teachers in the school

01:02:17.287 --> 01:02:20.350
and the boys and girls club as well.

01:02:20.350 --> 01:02:23.840
How many our kids
deserve to go to school

01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:27.500
with clean air free of contaminants.

01:02:27.500 --> 01:02:31.500
Some of these children
have their lunch in the outside

01:02:31.500 --> 01:02:32.950
thinking that it's healthier,

01:02:32.950 --> 01:02:35.100
especially during this COVID time.

01:02:35.100 --> 01:02:40.100
And instead they're inhaling
missing with their sandwiches.

01:02:40.485 --> 01:02:43.920
When SoCal started
their expansion project,

01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.850
the children will be
exposed to lead to arsenic

01:02:46.850 --> 01:02:50.560
and other volatile organic contaminants.

01:02:50.560 --> 01:02:55.560
SoCal company doesn't
belong in our community.

01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:58.681
I know they have been
here for a lot of time,

01:02:58.681 --> 01:03:02.600
they've been here for,
for a lot of years here,

01:03:02.600 --> 01:03:04.100
but its time that they go,

01:03:04.100 --> 01:03:06.130
they should not be expanding.

01:03:06.130 --> 01:03:08.900
We need an EIR required,

01:03:08.900 --> 01:03:13.900
and ultimately they need
to leave this community

01:03:14.010 --> 01:03:15.770
and go in the middle of the desert

01:03:16.990 --> 01:03:19.210
and when nobody is around them.

01:03:19.210 --> 01:03:20.210
Thank you very much.

01:03:28.060 --> 01:03:30.463
Okay. Operator
next caller please.

01:03:31.810 --> 01:03:34.337
The next caller
is Racheal Crerk.

01:03:34.337 --> 01:03:36.581
You may go ahead.

01:03:36.581 --> 01:03:38.540
Hello. My
name is Rachel Creck.

01:03:38.540 --> 01:03:40.940
I'm a resident of Opium, California,

01:03:40.940 --> 01:03:45.600
which is the next town north and upwind

01:03:45.600 --> 01:03:50.600
from where the compressor
station is located.

01:03:51.670 --> 01:03:56.410
So I have a personal interest
in not having this go through,

01:03:56.410 --> 01:04:01.410
but my concern is much
more for the people in that area,

01:04:01.630 --> 01:04:02.650
especially the,

01:04:02.650 --> 01:04:05.290
all the points that people
have brought up before

01:04:05.290 --> 01:04:08.880
are, you know, I won't repeat them,

01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.450
except I'll summarize them yet.

01:04:11.450 --> 01:04:13.563
This compressor station,

01:04:14.430 --> 01:04:15.263
they leak

01:04:17.210 --> 01:04:21.120
organic compounds

01:04:21.120 --> 01:04:25.330
that are very deleterious to health.

01:04:25.330 --> 01:04:27.343
They do explode once in a while.

01:04:30.460 --> 01:04:33.040
We should not be expanding anything

01:04:33.040 --> 01:04:35.879
that relates to the use of fossil fuels.

01:04:35.879 --> 01:04:40.879
Our emphasis should
be on deCommissioning,

01:04:41.630 --> 01:04:45.110
all fossil fuel production
and putting in place

01:04:47.990 --> 01:04:51.440
sustainable forms of energy production.

01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:53.900
It's astounding that
they can even consider

01:04:54.904 --> 01:04:55.770
that you as a Commission

01:04:55.770 --> 01:04:59.190
could even consider
this process going ahead

01:04:59.190 --> 01:05:03.173
without an EIR that's
what they were created for.

01:05:04.140 --> 01:05:07.620
So the, the problems are not just local

01:05:07.620 --> 01:05:10.830
in that community the
poisoned, the explosion

01:05:10.830 --> 01:05:11.663
and all of that,

01:05:11.663 --> 01:05:15.470
but in terms of the methane output

01:05:15.470 --> 01:05:19.040
of these compressor
stations, it's not just as I said,

01:05:19.040 --> 01:05:22.550
life in our smaller area
with Ventura county,

01:05:22.550 --> 01:05:24.760
but the more methane we put in the air,

01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.200
the more that life on the
entire, our life support system,

01:05:28.200 --> 01:05:31.470
which we call mother
earth is threatened.

01:05:31.470 --> 01:05:33.900
So it's time to start deCommissioning

01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:36.670
all fossil fuel projects.

01:05:36.670 --> 01:05:39.030
And I appreciate your consideration

01:05:39.030 --> 01:05:40.553
and listening to all of us,

01:05:42.130 --> 01:05:43.100
give you our opinions.

01:05:43.100 --> 01:05:44.543
So thank you very much.

01:05:46.228 --> 01:05:47.670
Thank you for your call.

01:05:47.670 --> 01:05:49.223
Operator, next caller, please.

01:05:50.630 --> 01:05:53.503
The next
caller is Veer Long.

01:05:53.503 --> 01:05:55.053
You may go ahead.

01:05:57.340 --> 01:05:58.890
Did you say Veer long?

01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:03.050
Yes. Veer long.

01:06:03.050 --> 01:06:04.470
Oh, hello, hello.

01:06:04.470 --> 01:06:06.170
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

01:06:06.170 --> 01:06:10.350
My name is Veer Long. I'm
calling from Ohio, California,

01:06:10.350 --> 01:06:14.070
but I've lived in Ventura
county for over 30 years.

01:06:14.070 --> 01:06:16.790
I was a firefighter for six years.

01:06:16.790 --> 01:06:19.210
I've been a mother for over 20 years

01:06:19.210 --> 01:06:21.123
and a teacher for over 10 years.

01:06:22.200 --> 01:06:24.800
20 years ago when I was first pregnant,

01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:28.960
I opened the paper to read
a big sprawling article that

01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:33.410
cited a research study that
children in the Oxnard claim

01:06:33.410 --> 01:06:36.870
were being harmed by the air pollution.

01:06:36.870 --> 01:06:40.200
The overspray from the
fields that were right next to

01:06:40.200 --> 01:06:41.033
school,

01:06:41.033 --> 01:06:45.300
they were spraying pollutants
with brown eyes from planes.

01:06:45.300 --> 01:06:46.960
I was a gas.

01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:49.000
This study had proven,

01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:52.260
measurably lowering
these children by cues,

01:06:52.260 --> 01:06:55.830
harming their organs, harming
their reproductive rights,

01:06:55.830 --> 01:06:58.940
to be able to have kids
when they grew older

01:06:58.940 --> 01:07:02.470
and just causing respiratory problems.

01:07:02.470 --> 01:07:05.360
I thought it would be
something that would be fixed.

01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:07.420
I went into teaching.

01:07:07.420 --> 01:07:11.410
I've taught at exclusive private
schools and lower income

01:07:11.410 --> 01:07:13.360
schools. And I can tell you,

01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:15.830
every one of those kids is precious.

01:07:15.830 --> 01:07:19.260
They are all geniuses.
This is a community.

01:07:19.260 --> 01:07:20.970
Those are our neighbors kids,

01:07:20.970 --> 01:07:23.390
and we should treat them with our kids.

01:07:23.390 --> 01:07:26.420
And I know that their economic industry,

01:07:26.420 --> 01:07:29.190
but when you have clean energy options,

01:07:29.190 --> 01:07:31.540
that's what you're going to do because

01:07:32.436 --> 01:07:37.436
we cannot let treat children
as collateral damage

01:07:38.500 --> 01:07:39.563
for industry.

01:07:41.090 --> 01:07:44.743
These future health problems.

01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:49.640
When kids go to public school,

01:07:49.640 --> 01:07:51.490
they're in the public trust.

01:07:51.490 --> 01:07:56.230
It's not an acceptable balance
sheet to balance organ damage

01:07:56.230 --> 01:07:58.113
against industrial profit.

01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:02.310
And you've got clean
energy options on the table.

01:08:02.310 --> 01:08:05.780
So I strongly urge the
Commission to demand

01:08:05.780 --> 01:08:07.370
an environment impact report

01:08:07.370 --> 01:08:09.870
and get behind the
clean energy solutions.

01:08:09.870 --> 01:08:13.130
We need to beyond just
your job as the Commission

01:08:13.130 --> 01:08:16.940
(beep) it's to protect kids.

01:08:16.940 --> 01:08:18.240
And they're all important.

01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:20.393
Thank you.

01:08:22.420 --> 01:08:23.820
Thank you.

01:08:23.820 --> 01:08:26.980
Operator, we had a
difficult time hearing you

01:08:26.980 --> 01:08:28.830
on the last couple callers.

01:08:28.830 --> 01:08:32.080
Can you speak more
directly into the phone

01:08:32.080 --> 01:08:34.023
and can you bring on the next caller.

01:08:35.429 --> 01:08:39.890
The next speaker
is Stephanie Sullivan.

01:08:39.890 --> 01:08:40.883
You may go ahead.

01:08:42.620 --> 01:08:43.453
Yes, hi.

01:08:43.453 --> 01:08:45.640
My name is Stephanie
Sullivan and I'm calling

01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:48.730
from thousand Oaks,
California in Ventura county,

01:08:48.730 --> 01:08:53.700
but I've lived in Ventura,
the city AMA in the past.

01:08:53.700 --> 01:08:55.570
And I spend a lot of time
there cause I have a lot of

01:08:55.570 --> 01:08:59.330
friends and I spend
time in the downtown area

01:08:59.330 --> 01:09:01.270
and learning about

01:09:01.270 --> 01:09:05.970
the SoCalGas compressor
expansion project

01:09:05.970 --> 01:09:07.350
was just, honestly,

01:09:07.350 --> 01:09:09.480
it's heartbreaking and
listening to all of the people

01:09:09.480 --> 01:09:10.660
who've called in today

01:09:10.660 --> 01:09:13.190
to share their personal experiences

01:09:13.190 --> 01:09:16.030
and ask that you take
a closer look at this.

01:09:16.030 --> 01:09:19.570
It shouldn't have to be
this hard. It really shouldn't.

01:09:19.570 --> 01:09:21.840
This is right next to a
school and I'm a mother.

01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:25.250
I can't fathom having to
put my child in a school.

01:09:25.250 --> 01:09:29.060
I've got mothers who called
just a few times ago and putting

01:09:29.060 --> 01:09:32.900
them in potential danger
and that being a staff person,

01:09:32.900 --> 01:09:36.330
a faculty member, or
per teacher at that school,

01:09:36.330 --> 01:09:39.890
just knowing that that's a
possibility that there could be

01:09:39.890 --> 01:09:42.330
an explosion that I
would have to deal with.

01:09:42.330 --> 01:09:45.000
It's just seriously unfathomable.

01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:48.707
There needs to be an EIR
conducted for this entire project.

01:09:48.707 --> 01:09:50.720
No vague approvals.

01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:51.553
And honestly,

01:09:51.553 --> 01:09:54.740
the community needs to be
more informed about any updates

01:09:54.740 --> 01:09:56.430
and changes to this project.

01:09:56.430 --> 01:09:58.792
There needs to be
more stringent oversight.

01:09:58.792 --> 01:10:01.330
Also, there should be an emphasis

01:10:01.330 --> 01:10:03.000
on renewable energy so that

01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:06.090
there is no need for gas
resources of this type.

01:10:06.090 --> 01:10:07.470
We know the science,

01:10:07.470 --> 01:10:10.770
we understand how
methane has impacted us,

01:10:10.770 --> 01:10:13.290
how it's dangerous
and it's important that

01:10:13.290 --> 01:10:14.970
we actually start making,

01:10:14.970 --> 01:10:18.770
taking actionable steps to
eradicate it as opposed to

01:10:18.770 --> 01:10:21.003
letting it continue to expand.

01:10:21.850 --> 01:10:24.130
People in Ventura
county have been asking

01:10:24.130 --> 01:10:28.030
for this oversight have
emails in, sent letters,

01:10:28.030 --> 01:10:30.920
spoken at the city council meetings.

01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.440
And it's clear that
there is a strong desire

01:10:34.440 --> 01:10:37.290
to have SoCalGas out
of this neighborhood.

01:10:37.290 --> 01:10:40.040
So I ask that you
please do the right thing

01:10:40.040 --> 01:10:42.842
and support the people who live here,

01:10:42.842 --> 01:10:45.690
especially since it is
disadvantaged communities

01:10:45.690 --> 01:10:48.770
who have been exposed to red lining

01:10:48.770 --> 01:10:52.123
and environmental
racism for far too long.

01:10:57.320 --> 01:10:59.123
Operator the
next caller, please.

01:11:00.660 --> 01:11:04.093
Thank you. The
next caller is Alice Edgar.

01:11:08.900 --> 01:11:10.983
I'm sorry. I could
not hear you.

01:11:12.460 --> 01:11:13.933
your line.

01:11:16.460 --> 01:11:17.983
Hello? Can you hear me?

01:11:19.220 --> 01:11:20.090
Yes, we can hear you.

01:11:20.090 --> 01:11:21.720
Please go ahead.

01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:23.380
Awesome. Hello everyone.

01:11:23.380 --> 01:11:28.060
My name is Alex Edgar
and I am 17 years old

01:11:28.060 --> 01:11:30.000
and a senior at Royal high school

01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:32.350
in Simi valley, California.

01:11:32.350 --> 01:11:37.350
And I'm calling in on today.
My graduation day 11/15.

01:11:38.650 --> 01:11:41.520
Not not because this is how I
imagined spending the morning

01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:43.060
of my graduation,

01:11:43.060 --> 01:11:45.800
but because this is something that is

01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:48.610
extremely important to
me and extremely important

01:11:48.610 --> 01:11:51.590
to many other members of my community.

01:11:51.590 --> 01:11:56.590
The SoCalGas compressor
station expansion project is

01:11:56.700 --> 01:12:00.120
unethical and it is extremely
disappointing to see

01:12:00.120 --> 01:12:02.590
how it's going forward in this way.

01:12:02.590 --> 01:12:06.560
We have a extreme
amount of community support

01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:08.470
at the Ventura county,

01:12:08.470 --> 01:12:11.890
the Ventura city council meeting
just a couple of weeks ago.

01:12:11.890 --> 01:12:13.110
As you heard before,

01:12:13.110 --> 01:12:16.470
it was unanimously
voted on by the city council

01:12:16.470 --> 01:12:18.360
to ask for this EIR

01:12:18.360 --> 01:12:23.360
and not only that, we had
283 community comments.

01:12:23.830 --> 01:12:27.030
That is an insane number
two was the, for anything,

01:12:27.030 --> 01:12:29.460
let alone for a city council meeting,

01:12:29.460 --> 01:12:32.310
the public wants to
see this change happen.

01:12:32.310 --> 01:12:36.070
They want to see this EIR be done

01:12:36.070 --> 01:12:40.210
and we are tired of waiting
and waiting and waiting

01:12:40.210 --> 01:12:44.000
for the bureaucracy
to change for our kids,

01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:46.740
for our community to protect us.

01:12:46.740 --> 01:12:49.500
This is a issue of utmost importance.

01:12:49.500 --> 01:12:51.980
This is an issue of the people

01:12:51.980 --> 01:12:56.810
versus a multi-billion dollar
corporation that has no rights

01:12:56.810 --> 01:12:59.500
acting in this way and
being pushed aside

01:12:59.500 --> 01:13:01.110
as, oh, you know,

01:13:01.110 --> 01:13:04.250
this small paragraph gives
them the right to continue to

01:13:04.250 --> 01:13:08.710
pollute our community
and truly just run rampant

01:13:08.710 --> 01:13:10.420
over our health.

01:13:10.420 --> 01:13:13.040
It is not something that
should be allowed anywhere.

01:13:13.040 --> 01:13:17.310
Let alone in California where
this compressor station is the

01:13:17.310 --> 01:13:22.310
only one in the entire state
located in such an area that is

01:13:23.090 --> 01:13:26.330
densely populated,
surrounded by community.

01:13:26.330 --> 01:13:29.100
There have been protests.
There has been outreach.

01:13:29.100 --> 01:13:32.900
These kids, they're
too young to be here.

01:13:32.900 --> 01:13:35.070
They are too young
to be able to speak up,

01:13:35.070 --> 01:13:36.620
and that's why we're speaking up.

01:13:36.620 --> 01:13:40.173
So I urge you to take
action on the CIR. Thank you.

01:13:42.020 --> 01:13:43.030
Thank you for your call.

01:13:43.030 --> 01:13:44.883
Operator, the next caller, please.

01:13:45.900 --> 01:13:50.193
The caller is Mrs.
Massey. Your line is open.

01:13:52.080 --> 01:13:54.880
Thank you to the
Commission for hearing comments

01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:55.713
this morning.

01:13:55.713 --> 01:13:58.500
I am here to echo what you've
heard numerous times with

01:13:58.500 --> 01:14:01.410
regards to the gas compressor

01:14:01.410 --> 01:14:03.910
next to AP foster elementary school.

01:14:03.910 --> 01:14:06.640
I have grave concerns about the health,

01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:07.840
not only to our environment,

01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:10.210
but mostly the children and
the neighbors in that area.

01:14:10.210 --> 01:14:14.490
This is a disadvantaged area
and their voices are not heard

01:14:14.490 --> 01:14:16.557
often and they weren't heard for this.

01:14:16.557 --> 01:14:19.490
And I really asked the Commission
to this Commission to do

01:14:19.490 --> 01:14:21.210
whatever it can,

01:14:21.210 --> 01:14:23.840
to make sure that we're
protecting the community

01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:25.940
and the environment in this area.

01:14:25.940 --> 01:14:28.220
I would ask you to look into
an environmental protection

01:14:28.220 --> 01:14:31.023
report to see what's the impact,

01:14:31.023 --> 01:14:32.050
or maybe an impact report to see

01:14:32.050 --> 01:14:34.070
how this is going to impact that area

01:14:34.070 --> 01:14:36.880
and treat these citizens
at the high regard that

01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:39.540
you would want yourselves
treated and that you would want

01:14:39.540 --> 01:14:41.070
the entire community of Ventura,

01:14:41.070 --> 01:14:43.220
which I am proud to be a resident of.

01:14:43.220 --> 01:14:45.860
Please help us be proud of
the work you're doing today.

01:14:45.860 --> 01:14:47.010
Thank you for the time.

01:14:49.203 --> 01:14:51.440
Thank you for your call.

01:14:51.440 --> 01:14:53.223
Operator, next caller, please.

01:14:55.640 --> 01:14:57.600
President
Batjer. Our next caller is

01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.350
Laila Michael Hannon.

01:15:00.350 --> 01:15:01.300
Ma'am you may peak?

01:15:02.610 --> 01:15:03.443
Thank you Laila.

01:15:03.443 --> 01:15:07.440
Hi, I'm from Ventura
county calling to put a stop

01:15:07.440 --> 01:15:10.910
to the SoCalGas into
her compressor station

01:15:10.910 --> 01:15:12.463
in the west side of Ventura.

01:15:13.730 --> 01:15:17.370
This compressor is known to
have many weaks containing

01:15:17.370 --> 01:15:21.000
methane, volatile, organic
compounds, nitric oxide,

01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:24.200
and other chemicals that are
extremely harmful to overall

01:15:24.200 --> 01:15:25.923
health and child development.

01:15:32.650 --> 01:15:34.960
This would occur in the state
recognized disadvantaged

01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.900
community right next to an
elementary school boys and girls

01:15:37.900 --> 01:15:39.870
club and affordable housing.

01:15:39.870 --> 01:15:42.450
There is no other compressor
station in a residential

01:15:42.450 --> 01:15:45.310
neighborhood like this
SoCalGas should not be in the

01:15:45.310 --> 01:15:46.860
west side neighborhoods.

01:15:46.860 --> 01:15:48.616
Thank you.

01:15:48.616 --> 01:15:49.616
Thank you.

01:15:50.643 --> 01:15:52.177
Next caller please.

01:15:55.270 --> 01:15:57.830
Our next caller
is Jonathan Ahlman.

01:15:57.830 --> 01:15:59.113
Sir, you may proceed.

01:16:00.330 --> 01:16:01.410
Hi Commissioners.

01:16:01.410 --> 01:16:02.427
My name is Jonathan Ahlman.

01:16:02.427 --> 01:16:05.070
I'm the director of the Los
Padres chapter of the Sierra

01:16:05.070 --> 01:16:09.290
club representing Ventura
and Santa Barbara counties.

01:16:09.290 --> 01:16:13.170
Boy, I wish we had
had these calls in 2019,

01:16:16.460 --> 01:16:21.460
right before you approved
the, the document for SoCalGas,

01:16:21.590 --> 01:16:24.630
which only had two paragraphs

01:16:24.630 --> 01:16:28.313
and no budget for this project in it.

01:16:29.950 --> 01:16:32.880
Did those two paragraphs
convey what was going on?

01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:36.030
No, they didn't because the
community didn't know about it.

01:16:36.030 --> 01:16:38.430
And why did the community
not know about it? Well,

01:16:38.430 --> 01:16:40.600
the community did not
know about it because

01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:42.613
they weren't even told about it,

01:16:43.978 --> 01:16:47.860
by DTSC until January.

01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:51.810
Now they say that they distributed

01:16:51.810 --> 01:16:54.650
all of the information out,

01:16:54.650 --> 01:16:57.370
but the truth is the city had no idea

01:16:57.370 --> 01:16:58.447
and the school had no idea.

01:16:58.447 --> 01:17:00.570
and the school district had no idea.

01:17:00.570 --> 01:17:03.800
And I bet you had no idea
when you voted for this,

01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:08.210
but you do have the
power to open this back up

01:17:08.210 --> 01:17:09.610
and look at it closely,

01:17:09.610 --> 01:17:14.610
because this is like no other
project that you may normally

01:17:14.970 --> 01:17:17.260
approve without much thought.

01:17:17.260 --> 01:17:19.170
This is, as we've said,

01:17:19.170 --> 01:17:22.500
it's in the middle of a dense community.

01:17:22.500 --> 01:17:24.780
It's next to an elementary school.

01:17:24.780 --> 01:17:27.273
It's next to the boys and girls club.

01:17:28.270 --> 01:17:30.530
And it is an expansion.

01:17:30.530 --> 01:17:34.620
It is not just a
modernization as SoCalGas

01:17:34.620 --> 01:17:38.953
and some of the staff members
of the PUC continue to say,

01:17:40.660 --> 01:17:42.960
please talk to your staff.

01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.600
Please take some action, please.

01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:48.320
This is I'm telling you,
this is only going to Crow.

01:17:48.320 --> 01:17:50.690
This I've never seen
anything like this before.

01:17:50.690 --> 01:17:54.520
This is a turnout from
Simi valley to Ventura.

01:17:56.912 --> 01:17:59.700
It's pretty broad

01:17:59.700 --> 01:18:02.030
and it's not going away. So anyway,

01:18:02.030 --> 01:18:05.263
I thank you for your time and take care.

01:18:07.830 --> 01:18:09.710
Thank you for the call.

01:18:09.710 --> 01:18:11.113
Next caller, please.

01:18:11.985 --> 01:18:12.890
President Batjer,

01:18:12.890 --> 01:18:15.340
our next caller is Kathleen Maloney.

01:18:15.340 --> 01:18:16.837
Ma'am you may proceed

01:18:23.690 --> 01:18:25.223
Kathleen, please go ahead.

01:18:26.090 --> 01:18:28.190
Was it Kathleen Maloney?

01:18:28.190 --> 01:18:29.205
Yes, it was.

01:18:29.205 --> 01:18:30.038
[Kathleen] That's me.

01:18:30.038 --> 01:18:31.040
Okay. I'm sorry.

01:18:31.040 --> 01:18:32.863
I couldn't hear you.

01:18:34.440 --> 01:18:38.070
Well, I'm just reiterating
what many have said.

01:18:38.070 --> 01:18:41.590
I strongly object to the
expansion of this natural gas

01:18:41.590 --> 01:18:44.460
compression station in Ventura.

01:18:44.460 --> 01:18:48.140
I live Camereo but I
have family in Ventura,

01:18:48.140 --> 01:18:49.960
not in this immediate neighborhood,

01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:53.507
but I certainly am concerned
for this neighborhood with the

01:18:53.507 --> 01:18:57.020
contains an elementary
school right across the street,

01:18:57.020 --> 01:19:01.530
from where they want to expand
this natural gas compressor

01:19:01.530 --> 01:19:02.656
station.

01:19:02.656 --> 01:19:07.460
It will greatly increase
health risks, leaked the station,

01:19:08.300 --> 01:19:10.850
leaks toxic chemicals
into the air. I mean,

01:19:10.850 --> 01:19:12.313
it's methane gas.

01:19:14.220 --> 01:19:16.203
There's the possibility of explosions,

01:19:17.210 --> 01:19:21.350
the people in that community
need to live in constant danger

01:19:21.350 --> 01:19:24.720
of health issues and explosions.

01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:29.720
I definitely oppose this expansion

01:19:30.900 --> 01:19:33.230
and would like to see money

01:19:34.410 --> 01:19:37.053
invested much more in clean energy.

01:19:37.970 --> 01:19:41.660
And it's definitely there is
a need for an environmental

01:19:41.660 --> 01:19:45.223
impact report. I can't
believe that's not been done.

01:19:46.810 --> 01:19:49.247
That's about all I
have to say. Thank you.

01:19:52.040 --> 01:19:53.960
Thank you for your call.

01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:55.920
Next caller please.

01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:56.753
Thank you.

01:19:56.753 --> 01:19:58.030
Our next question is from Terra Creech.

01:19:58.030 --> 01:19:59.133
Your line is open.

01:20:01.120 --> 01:20:01.953
Hello.

01:20:01.953 --> 01:20:05.010
Thank you for allowing us
to make public comments.

01:20:05.010 --> 01:20:08.460
I wanted to echo many of
the that were made about the

01:20:08.460 --> 01:20:13.353
expansion in the Ventura
compressor for SoCalGas.

01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:18.010
My concerns are as a Ventura resident,

01:20:18.010 --> 01:20:21.361
my whole life as a
teacher and as a parent,

01:20:21.361 --> 01:20:25.700
I lived in Ventura through
2008 and I live in the city of

01:20:25.700 --> 01:20:27.660
Camerino right now.

01:20:27.660 --> 01:20:31.210
One of the things I wanted
to point out is that one of the

01:20:32.980 --> 01:20:36.230
values that you have
listed on your website under

01:20:36.230 --> 01:20:39.380
stewardship is to ask with a
commitment to the health and

01:20:39.380 --> 01:20:43.080
safety of California and to
the preservation of the natural

01:20:43.080 --> 01:20:46.700
environment and to design
and implement public policies that

01:20:46.700 --> 01:20:50.240
promote California's
environmental sustainability goals.

01:20:50.240 --> 01:20:53.330
I believe that we need to
make sure that there is an

01:20:53.330 --> 01:20:57.540
environmental review of that
SoCal Ventura compressor

01:20:57.540 --> 01:21:02.260
station based on adhering to
those two values that we talked

01:21:02.260 --> 01:21:06.800
about right there, there
is several things that

01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:09.660
are of concern with
that particular site.

01:21:09.660 --> 01:21:11.380
As multiple people have mentioned,

01:21:11.380 --> 01:21:14.270
it's already near a elementary school.

01:21:14.270 --> 01:21:18.100
It is in a state recognized
disadvantaged community.

01:21:18.100 --> 01:21:21.630
And I can say for sure that as a parent,

01:21:21.630 --> 01:21:25.070
I would not want my students
to be attending an elementary

01:21:25.070 --> 01:21:27.137
school near that.

01:21:27.137 --> 01:21:28.590
And as a teacher,

01:21:28.590 --> 01:21:31.530
I wouldn't want to be
teaching at that school.

01:21:31.530 --> 01:21:34.790
In addition, as other
people have mentioned,

01:21:34.790 --> 01:21:39.790
the city of Ventura did
unanimously unanimously in a 7-O

01:21:39.850 --> 01:21:44.470
vote asked for an environmental
review of that expansion.

01:21:44.470 --> 01:21:47.100
And I also wanted to add an echo,

01:21:47.100 --> 01:21:52.100
many of the concerns around
the climate concerns with using

01:21:53.080 --> 01:21:56.560
fossil fuels and expanding
the use of fossil fuel when we

01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:59.560
should in fact be going
in the opposite direction.

01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:00.760
Thank you for your time.

01:22:02.530 --> 01:22:03.530
Thank you for your call.

01:22:03.530 --> 01:22:04.673
Next caller, please.

01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:07.473
Thank you.

01:22:07.473 --> 01:22:09.050
Our next question
comes from Karen Boston.

01:22:09.050 --> 01:22:10.023
Your line is open.

01:22:12.280 --> 01:22:14.570
Well. This is Karen Boston.

01:22:14.570 --> 01:22:19.570
I am a resident of Ventura
county and I am calling

01:22:19.650 --> 01:22:20.830
everything that I was going to say.

01:22:20.830 --> 01:22:22.310
It's been said multiple times,

01:22:22.310 --> 01:22:25.210
so I'm not going to go over it
except to say that I hope the

01:22:25.210 --> 01:22:29.550
Commissioners are noticing
what a groundswell there is in

01:22:29.550 --> 01:22:33.400
our community, teenagers,
parents, teachers,

01:22:33.400 --> 01:22:37.483
corporate entities, activists.

01:22:38.330 --> 01:22:41.320
We all are, excuse me,

01:22:41.320 --> 01:22:44.850
We are all joining our voices
and we are demanding an EIR.

01:22:44.850 --> 01:22:45.683
Thank you.

01:22:47.150 --> 01:22:48.740
Thank you.

01:22:48.740 --> 01:22:50.033
Next caller, please.

01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:53.633
Thank you.

01:22:53.633 --> 01:22:55.660
Our next question or comment
comes from Molly McCoy.

01:22:55.660 --> 01:22:56.640
Your line is open.

01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:57.493
Please go ahead.

01:22:59.050 --> 01:23:01.020
Good morning.
My name is Molly McCoy.

01:23:01.020 --> 01:23:03.690
I'm calling as a student from
Ventura county in regards to

01:23:03.690 --> 01:23:05.378
the SoCalGas into our compressor

01:23:05.378 --> 01:23:07.580
station expansion project.

01:23:07.580 --> 01:23:08.700
I first want to thank everyone.

01:23:08.700 --> 01:23:11.520
Who's called in expressing
concern for this issue.

01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:14.140
Second, I'm calling for the
rest of my team members

01:23:14.140 --> 01:23:16.330
who could not be here
today due to the timing

01:23:16.330 --> 01:23:17.960
and nature of this meetings.

01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:21.330
This compressor station
has a history of leaks in 2017

01:23:21.330 --> 01:23:25.380
it was found to be by NASA
to be supervisor of nothing.

01:23:25.380 --> 01:23:28.780
I suddenly know methane
is a greenhouse gas known

01:23:28.780 --> 01:23:32.010
to contribute to the effects of
climate change, at 20 times,

01:23:32.010 --> 01:23:34.990
the rate of carbon
dioxide as Californians,

01:23:34.990 --> 01:23:36.520
we have all experienced

01:23:38.410 --> 01:23:41.780
the drastic clinical
consequences of climate change.

01:23:41.780 --> 01:23:43.350
As we have seen our forest in the Hills,

01:23:43.350 --> 01:23:46.460
ravished by wildfires,
climate change is no joke.

01:23:46.460 --> 01:23:47.860
There's no reason why we should.

01:23:47.860 --> 01:23:50.750
We put in more time and
energy towards fossil fuels.

01:23:50.750 --> 01:23:52.714
As our federal government is
moving towards renewable and

01:23:52.714 --> 01:23:54.490
green energy.

01:23:54.490 --> 01:23:57.300
This compressor station poses
a direct threat to those who

01:23:57.300 --> 01:23:58.550
live in west side and attend.

01:23:58.550 --> 01:24:00.370
AP foster elementary

01:24:00.370 --> 01:24:02.450
which is located
right across the street.

01:24:02.450 --> 01:24:04.220
This is a state recognized
disadvantaged community.

01:24:04.220 --> 01:24:07.270
There is no other compressor
station in a residential

01:24:07.270 --> 01:24:08.510
neighborhood like this.

01:24:08.510 --> 01:24:10.840
Please do your part to help
us in the fight against the

01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:12.210
environmental injustice.

01:24:12.210 --> 01:24:13.710
Thank you for your
time and consideration.

01:24:13.710 --> 01:24:16.569
I hope you join us who is
doing this is what is doing best

01:24:16.569 --> 01:24:18.593
for our community. Thank you.

01:24:21.430 --> 01:24:24.313
Thank you for your call.
The next caller, please.

01:24:25.700 --> 01:24:27.340
Thank you, Catherine Nancy,

01:24:27.340 --> 01:24:28.483
please go ahead.

01:24:30.060 --> 01:24:30.893
Good morning.

01:24:30.893 --> 01:24:32.350
My name is Catherine Nancy

01:24:32.350 --> 01:24:34.920
and I'm a resident of Ventura county.

01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:38.540
I'm a parent of two
school aged children.

01:24:38.540 --> 01:24:42.210
Our community has
spoken and has demanded

01:24:42.210 --> 01:24:45.110
and an environmental impact report.

01:24:45.110 --> 01:24:48.160
Please conduct a further
review before allowing this

01:24:48.160 --> 01:24:51.370
compressor station to expand.

01:24:51.370 --> 01:24:53.770
Children, parents and the community

01:24:53.770 --> 01:24:56.700
don't deserve to be
exposed to a constant

01:24:56.700 --> 01:25:01.040
fear of respiratory health
issues and explosions

01:25:01.040 --> 01:25:02.780
in their neighborhood.

01:25:02.780 --> 01:25:06.150
Commission, please do the right thing

01:25:06.150 --> 01:25:08.040
and reject this expansion.

01:25:08.040 --> 01:25:08.873
Thank you.

01:25:12.400 --> 01:25:13.470
Thank you.

01:25:13.470 --> 01:25:14.803
Next caller, please.

01:25:16.420 --> 01:25:19.103
Thank you. Shana
Steiner, please go ahead.

01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:24.260
Hi. Can you hear me? Hello?

01:25:24.260 --> 01:25:25.600
We can please go ahead.

01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:26.503
We can hear you.

01:25:27.360 --> 01:25:28.260
Thank you. Okay.

01:25:28.260 --> 01:25:30.780
My name is Shana
Steiner. I'm 20 years old.

01:25:30.780 --> 01:25:35.010
I'm a Santa Paula residents
and I'm a substitute teacher

01:25:35.010 --> 01:25:37.210
for elementary school grade kids.

01:25:37.210 --> 01:25:40.610
I'm calling about the
Ventura gas compressor,

01:25:40.610 --> 01:25:43.720
just to reiterate that
the science points out,

01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:46.690
that it emits noxious
fumes, such as methane,

01:25:46.690 --> 01:25:49.740
nitrous oxide, vinyl,
fluoride, arsenic lead,

01:25:49.740 --> 01:25:52.230
and more that directly call

01:25:52.230 --> 01:25:55.070
the morbidity of chronic
illnesses exacerbate

01:25:55.070 --> 01:25:56.640
and already climbing temperature

01:25:56.640 --> 01:25:58.510
and pollutes ground water

01:25:58.510 --> 01:26:02.703
that is approximately
only 35 feet below ground.

01:26:03.620 --> 01:26:05.590
Somehow these are
the best case scenarios

01:26:05.590 --> 01:26:07.250
concerning the gas compressor.

01:26:07.250 --> 01:26:10.750
And that's because
they're known for exploding

01:26:11.930 --> 01:26:15.550
with an elementary school
just across the street,

01:26:15.550 --> 01:26:19.760
several affordable
housing plans in the area,

01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:24.500
a homeless shelter and a
veteran shelter that works

01:26:24.500 --> 01:26:27.700
to keep bedrooms off the
street. It's their only option.

01:26:27.700 --> 01:26:30.180
As far as housing in the area.

01:26:30.180 --> 01:26:35.180
It really just stresses that
the value placed on all these

01:26:35.300 --> 01:26:36.330
people's lives

01:26:38.273 --> 01:26:40.230
isn't much in your eyes.

01:26:40.230 --> 01:26:42.207
I don't think there's a
moral gray area here.

01:26:42.207 --> 01:26:45.750
And if you don't work
to shut down this project,

01:26:45.750 --> 01:26:47.060
there will be blood on your hands.

01:26:47.060 --> 01:26:49.390
I can't think of another way to say it.

01:26:49.390 --> 01:26:50.993
This shouldn't proceed.

01:26:53.130 --> 01:26:58.130
I would urge you to
carry out an EIR report

01:26:58.440 --> 01:27:01.220
and just shut it down please.

01:27:01.220 --> 01:27:02.073
People will die.

01:27:02.980 --> 01:27:03.813
Thank you.

01:27:06.330 --> 01:27:07.163
Thank you.

01:27:08.430 --> 01:27:09.643
Next caller, please.

01:27:11.300 --> 01:27:13.950
Thank you, Elizabeth
Kane, please go ahead.

01:27:15.470 --> 01:27:16.303
Good morning.

01:27:16.303 --> 01:27:18.960
My name is Elizabeth keen
and I'm a Ventura county resident

01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:20.690
living in unincorporated Oxnard

01:27:20.690 --> 01:27:22.230
as well as a small business owner

01:27:22.230 --> 01:27:24.860
and I'm calling regarding
the IRP proceeding.

01:27:24.860 --> 01:27:28.036
I'd like to ask you prohibit
the expansion of the SoCal

01:27:28.036 --> 01:27:29.290
gas compressor station.

01:27:29.290 --> 01:27:31.070
This project like many others have,

01:27:31.070 --> 01:27:32.830
it's kind of catering to big business.

01:27:32.830 --> 01:27:35.400
And the use of fossil fuels
is failing to do the work of

01:27:35.400 --> 01:27:38.270
actually determining how
this project might affect the

01:27:38.270 --> 01:27:40.493
community or our environment long-term.

01:27:41.670 --> 01:27:42.980
When I learned this,

01:27:42.980 --> 01:27:44.850
I read the removal action work plan,

01:27:44.850 --> 01:27:47.290
and it seems glaringly clear
that the gas company is trying

01:27:47.290 --> 01:27:50.030
to absolve themselves from
having to address the past and

01:27:50.030 --> 01:27:53.060
current groundwater
contamination beginning from the

01:27:53.060 --> 01:27:56.690
previous Ventura manufactured
gas plants that reportedly

01:27:56.690 --> 01:27:59.510
proceeded its operation
at the same location.

01:27:59.510 --> 01:28:02.100
According to a recent
article by the VC star toxic

01:28:02.100 --> 01:28:04.710
substances remain in the
soil from decades of industrial

01:28:04.710 --> 01:28:06.700
operations at the site.

01:28:06.700 --> 01:28:09.500
And the plan as is only
removes toxic soil from shallow

01:28:09.500 --> 01:28:12.176
depth, leaving contaminants
that have also been found in

01:28:12.176 --> 01:28:15.100
groundwater samples.
To make matters worse,

01:28:15.100 --> 01:28:16.900
since the gas company
has acquired the property,

01:28:16.900 --> 01:28:19.990
this facility is known to
leak harmful chemicals

01:28:19.990 --> 01:28:21.860
into the air and soil.

01:28:21.860 --> 01:28:24.090
While they have claimed to
take a handful of samples that

01:28:24.090 --> 01:28:26.220
discuss the need to
clean up the soil beneath

01:28:26.220 --> 01:28:27.370
the current building.

01:28:27.370 --> 01:28:28.670
It seems as though it would be best

01:28:28.670 --> 01:28:31.420
to have a full review
done by an outside agency

01:28:31.420 --> 01:28:34.460
with no motive to gain
from an expansion project.

01:28:34.460 --> 01:28:37.040
Unlike Norris who was
hired by the gas company

01:28:37.040 --> 01:28:40.720
to complete the removal
action workplace plan,

01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:43.090
the families and students
of EAP foster deserve to be

01:28:43.090 --> 01:28:46.040
informed of such a dangerous
project. And they were not.

01:28:46.040 --> 01:28:48.380
This is a clear case of
environmental injustice

01:28:48.380 --> 01:28:49.700
given the neighborhood,

01:28:49.700 --> 01:28:52.097
which is known for being
historically disadvantaged,

01:28:52.097 --> 01:28:55.240
having to already persist
with the sprawl of gentrification

01:28:55.240 --> 01:28:57.187
right next to an affordable housing

01:28:58.912 --> 01:29:02.010
and as well as the school
and the boys and girls club.

01:29:02.010 --> 01:29:04.310
How is it fair that the gas
company can try and come in and

01:29:04.310 --> 01:29:07.280
take resources from the land
through dangerous fracking

01:29:07.280 --> 01:29:09.470
while offering none of the
benefits of the come to the

01:29:09.470 --> 01:29:11.960
resident with
substantially increased risk

01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:13.233
for disaster incidents.

01:29:14.110 --> 01:29:15.860
Further, these kinds of
incidents have been followed

01:29:15.860 --> 01:29:18.640
with little accountability
or follow up on

01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:22.440
environmental cleanup after
the corporations are well aware

01:29:22.440 --> 01:29:24.240
that they are rarely forced to clean up

01:29:24.240 --> 01:29:26.883
in costly legal settlements.

01:29:27.857 --> 01:29:28.870
(bell beep)

01:29:28.870 --> 01:29:32.531
Please do not allow this
project to move forward.

01:29:32.531 --> 01:29:33.364
Thank you.

01:29:34.344 --> 01:29:35.640
Thank you.

01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:37.313
Operator, next caller, please.

01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:40.220
Thank you, Liz Lamar.

01:29:40.220 --> 01:29:41.103
You may go ahead.

01:29:42.140 --> 01:29:43.100
Hi, thank you.

01:29:43.100 --> 01:29:47.040
I'm Liz Lamar and I'm chair
of the Ventura Sierra club.

01:29:47.040 --> 01:29:49.050
I currently live in Oxnard,

01:29:49.050 --> 01:29:52.100
but I used to live on
the west side of Ventura

01:29:52.100 --> 01:29:55.820
and I still have
family that lives there.

01:29:55.820 --> 01:29:59.190
I'm calling because I'm
really concerned about,

01:29:59.190 --> 01:30:01.830
SoCalGas has plans of expanding

01:30:01.830 --> 01:30:04.440
the Ventura compressor station.

01:30:04.440 --> 01:30:09.440
This compressor creates more
air pollution and it increases

01:30:09.440 --> 01:30:13.670
health issues for people in a
predominantly BiPAP or working

01:30:13.670 --> 01:30:17.220
class community compressor
stations have been known to

01:30:17.220 --> 01:30:21.730
explode. They leak
they're simply unsafe.

01:30:21.730 --> 01:30:25.560
Explosions would harm nearby homes,

01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:29.470
the elementary school
and the boys and girls club.

01:30:29.470 --> 01:30:31.600
Children and low-income residents

01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:35.030
should not have to face
yet another burden like this.

01:30:35.030 --> 01:30:38.790
Well, SoCalGas makes
millions of dollars profiting

01:30:38.790 --> 01:30:41.080
off the harmful gas compressor.

01:30:41.080 --> 01:30:42.560
At the very least,

01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:45.850
we needed an
environmental impact report.

01:30:45.850 --> 01:30:48.700
Gas is dead. It's deadly.

01:30:48.700 --> 01:30:52.220
The future is electric
and it's clean energy

01:30:52.220 --> 01:30:53.850
and we all know this.

01:30:53.850 --> 01:30:56.150
So please stand up
and do the right thing.

01:30:56.150 --> 01:30:56.983
Thank you.

01:30:59.390 --> 01:31:01.240
Thank you for your call.

01:31:01.240 --> 01:31:02.783
Operator, next caller, please.

01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:05.553
Thank you.

01:31:05.553 --> 01:31:08.600
The next caller is Benito Delgado Olson.

01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:09.450
You may go ahead.

01:31:12.060 --> 01:31:13.920
Thank you. Good
morning Commissioners.

01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:16.170
My name is Benito Delgado Olson,

01:31:16.170 --> 01:31:18.270
and I have the privilege of
serving as the chairperson of

01:31:18.270 --> 01:31:21.140
the low-income oversight
board at the PUC.

01:31:21.140 --> 01:31:23.620
On behalf of my colleagues
voting the affirmative

01:31:23.620 --> 01:31:26.510
I'm speaking to offer
two key recommendations

01:31:26.510 --> 01:31:30.600
for your consideration and
the proposed decision item 26.

01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:32.680
The first is on the topic
of tribal communities,

01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:35.520
consultations and benchmarks for success

01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:37.570
that are key to evaluation.

01:31:37.570 --> 01:31:39.580
Following the discovery
of the need for substantial

01:31:39.580 --> 01:31:42.890
improvement in this area on
November 17th of last year,

01:31:42.890 --> 01:31:45.340
with the assistance of our
assigned Commissioner,

01:31:45.340 --> 01:31:47.420
our board convened a
panel of tribal community

01:31:47.420 --> 01:31:50.730
representatives to understand
how consultations from IOUs

01:31:50.730 --> 01:31:53.300
to tribal communities could be improved.

01:31:53.300 --> 01:31:54.990
The direct outcome of this convening

01:31:54.990 --> 01:31:56.550
in a subsequent board meeting

01:31:56.550 --> 01:31:59.470
was the recommendation
for a grant program is in our

01:31:59.470 --> 01:32:02.090
letter from December
18th of the same year

01:32:02.090 --> 01:32:04.750
and further expanded upon in
public comments or excuse me,

01:32:04.750 --> 01:32:07.090
submitted comments on January 15th

01:32:07.090 --> 01:32:09.380
by the public advocate's office.

01:32:09.380 --> 01:32:11.410
While this PD does
provide some guidance,

01:32:11.410 --> 01:32:14.110
which we're happy with our
board believes that the absence

01:32:14.110 --> 01:32:16.510
of clear benchmarks
will limit the success

01:32:16.510 --> 01:32:19.120
that we've experienced in
the past of tribal consultations

01:32:19.120 --> 01:32:22.010
and maintaining contacts
within each community.

01:32:22.010 --> 01:32:25.040
We suggest incorporating
public advocates proposal

01:32:25.040 --> 01:32:28.980
to the greatest extent possible
as our first recommendation.

01:32:28.980 --> 01:32:31.940
The second is on the topic
of the ISA working group.

01:32:31.940 --> 01:32:34.270
While we do commend
to ALJ for authorizing

01:32:34.270 --> 01:32:36.470
a historic six year budget cycle

01:32:36.470 --> 01:32:37.790
for the low-income programs,

01:32:37.790 --> 01:32:41.030
We also recognize that this
represents a significant shift

01:32:41.030 --> 01:32:44.690
in the ISA program design
policy and implementation.

01:32:44.690 --> 01:32:45.940
The program will move towards

01:32:45.940 --> 01:32:48.490
a customer centered prioritization model

01:32:48.490 --> 01:32:51.893
based on treating households
on need and customer profiles.

01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:55.050
With the new measures
that focus on deeper energy

01:32:55.050 --> 01:32:57.740
savings and prioritize
cost effectiveness,

01:32:57.740 --> 01:32:59.500
our board believes
that well-trained workers

01:32:59.500 --> 01:33:01.110
compromises essential frontline

01:33:01.110 --> 01:33:03.580
to any programs effectiveness.

01:33:03.580 --> 01:33:06.210
As such, we recommend
the Commission established

01:33:06.210 --> 01:33:09.690
transition plans that will
preserve this workforce network,

01:33:09.690 --> 01:33:13.010
avoid gaps in programs,
unnecessary fixed costs

01:33:13.010 --> 01:33:16.470
and delays in effective
delivery of program services.

01:33:16.470 --> 01:33:20.110
The way we see to accomplish
this is a recommendation that

01:33:20.110 --> 01:33:23.060
the ISA working group be
required to include a member

01:33:23.060 --> 01:33:24.443
of the low-income oversight board

01:33:24.443 --> 01:33:26.450
that is equally qualified as

01:33:26.450 --> 01:33:28.720
stated in the PDs current form.

01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:30.960
We believe this will ensure
continuity of the board,

01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:33.760
statutory purpose and inclusivity,

01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:37.040
and is consistent with our
charter and statutory charge.

01:33:37.040 --> 01:33:39.410
Thank you again to the
ALJ, the Commissioners,

01:33:39.410 --> 01:33:42.170
and all parties involved for
their work to improve the lives

01:33:42.170 --> 01:33:44.657
of low income children and
families throughout California,

01:33:44.657 --> 01:33:46.553
and this decision. Thanks very much.

01:33:48.020 --> 01:33:51.020
Thank you for the call Appreciate it.

01:33:51.020 --> 01:33:52.470
Operator, next caller please.

01:33:54.440 --> 01:33:56.603
Lauren McCoy,
please go ahead.

01:33:59.230 --> 01:34:01.520
Hi. I have the
term county residents

01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:05.420
I am calling about
SoCalGas expansion projects.

01:34:05.420 --> 01:34:07.930
This is an unsafe project
that it's supposed to go in next

01:34:07.930 --> 01:34:10.610
to the school and neighborhood
planning has already been

01:34:10.610 --> 01:34:12.580
shown to be a super emitter right now.

01:34:12.580 --> 01:34:16.250
I think I oxide and other
compounds and they gave me our

01:34:16.250 --> 01:34:18.990
environment into some
chunks of elements.

01:34:18.990 --> 01:34:22.723
This is a county needs to be
making changes to move towards

01:34:22.723 --> 01:34:24.690
these that seen energy.

01:34:24.690 --> 01:34:26.940
We noticed this would be a
healthy choice for our community,

01:34:26.940 --> 01:34:28.490
both residents and environment.

01:34:29.586 --> 01:34:30.710
Like we need to start
making the transition energy.

01:34:30.710 --> 01:34:33.780
Now it's not putting
money towards fossil fuel

01:34:33.780 --> 01:34:36.280
and it says energy.

01:34:36.280 --> 01:34:38.888
We're just supposed to
get EIR at the very least.

01:34:38.888 --> 01:34:43.070
they're really just meant to
be phased out and it does not

01:34:43.070 --> 01:34:44.720
serve to help our community.

01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:47.080
And where does it serve
our transition to see energy?

01:34:47.080 --> 01:34:49.470
We are looking to you. So
please take extra minutes.

01:34:49.470 --> 01:34:50.303
Thank you.

01:34:52.495 --> 01:34:55.363
Thank you. Next caller please.

01:34:57.680 --> 01:35:00.793
Laura Golan,
You may go ahead.

01:35:04.030 --> 01:35:06.380
Hello. Thank you so much.

01:35:06.380 --> 01:35:08.200
Appreciate the time.

01:35:08.200 --> 01:35:12.950
Also, the ability to have
input from the public

01:35:12.950 --> 01:35:16.543
is so well done and
I sure appreciate it.

01:35:18.550 --> 01:35:23.340
SoCalGas has not been
upfront with this project

01:35:23.340 --> 01:35:27.280
and what it entails from day one

01:35:27.280 --> 01:35:30.570
and that alone raises alarms.

01:35:30.570 --> 01:35:35.230
Well when asked why? Well,
there just wasn't any interest.

01:35:35.230 --> 01:35:39.720
Well, I guess they see now
that there is a lot of interest

01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:43.800
Once we're aware of what has happened.

01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:48.800
The school across from right
now from the contaminated site,

01:35:49.900 --> 01:35:51.270
AP foster.

01:35:51.270 --> 01:35:56.270
When I started there in 1968,
it was just K through three.

01:35:57.000 --> 01:35:59.560
Now it's K through five.

01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:04.560
So, many more children
are being put at risk.

01:36:05.990 --> 01:36:10.990
And I think you've heard
everybody so well presented today.

01:36:11.750 --> 01:36:13.930
And now it's not a question of,

01:36:13.930 --> 01:36:18.930
oh, are we going to let
them keep making it bigger?

01:36:18.970 --> 01:36:23.970
It needs to be cleaned
up the soil and the water

01:36:24.320 --> 01:36:26.000
and then not expanded.

01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:29.050
It needs to be shut down.

01:36:29.050 --> 01:36:32.156
Thank you so much for the opportunity

01:36:32.156 --> 01:36:35.430
to get our voices heard.

01:36:35.430 --> 01:36:36.763
Bey now, thank you.

01:36:37.803 --> 01:36:39.690
Thank you for your call.

01:36:39.690 --> 01:36:41.483
Operator, the next caller, please.

01:36:43.340 --> 01:36:45.543
Jasmine Gill.
You may go ahead.

01:36:49.120 --> 01:36:49.953
Hello.

01:36:49.953 --> 01:36:53.170
I am Jasmine from
Camaria of Ventura county

01:36:53.170 --> 01:36:55.360
and I'm calling to demand the halt

01:36:55.360 --> 01:36:59.270
of the SoCalGas Ventura
compressor station expansion,

01:36:59.270 --> 01:37:01.510
because I was a high schooler.

01:37:01.510 --> 01:37:03.750
When I looked back, when
I was in elementary school,

01:37:03.750 --> 01:37:07.940
I see myself carefree, happy
little self playing outside,

01:37:07.940 --> 01:37:10.730
always never ever having to worry

01:37:10.730 --> 01:37:14.013
about constant dangers of
health issues and explosions.

01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:17.970
I can't imagine being
an elementary school

01:37:17.970 --> 01:37:21.170
with kids only up to 10 or 11 years old

01:37:21.170 --> 01:37:22.727
and already having to
worry about my health

01:37:22.727 --> 01:37:26.690
and potential problems with my safety.

01:37:26.690 --> 01:37:28.730
There's no other compressor station

01:37:28.730 --> 01:37:31.210
in a residential neighborhood like this.

01:37:31.210 --> 01:37:34.003
SoCalGas should not be in
the west side neighborhood.

01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:44.440
Okay, thank you.

01:37:44.440 --> 01:37:46.140
Operator, the next caller, please.

01:37:47.990 --> 01:37:50.190
Kaitlin Tackett,
you may go ahead.

01:37:53.580 --> 01:37:54.413
Hi, good morning.

01:37:54.413 --> 01:37:55.500
I'm Kaitlin Tackett,

01:37:55.500 --> 01:37:58.850
a resident and students
from Cambrio Ventura county

01:37:58.850 --> 01:38:00.340
and I'm calling to demand the halt

01:38:00.340 --> 01:38:04.040
of the SoCalGas Ventura
compressor stations expansion.

01:38:04.040 --> 01:38:07.000
Thankfully, I grew up in
a stress free environment

01:38:07.000 --> 01:38:08.810
elementary school environment.

01:38:08.810 --> 01:38:11.250
Although I live in a district
where I was required to go to

01:38:11.250 --> 01:38:13.660
a high school across the
street from a field that got

01:38:13.660 --> 01:38:16.420
sprayed with pesticides
and chemicals very often,

01:38:16.420 --> 01:38:18.010
fortunately, I found a way around it

01:38:18.010 --> 01:38:20.390
and ended up going to a
better safer high school.

01:38:20.390 --> 01:38:21.710
But I still worry about my friends

01:38:21.710 --> 01:38:23.400
that had to go to that school.

01:38:23.400 --> 01:38:24.930
I can't imagine having to go to a school

01:38:24.930 --> 01:38:27.240
where you can't even
focus on your education

01:38:27.240 --> 01:38:29.313
because of the environment around you.

01:38:30.360 --> 01:38:33.230
The SoCalGas compressor
expansion will cause

01:38:33.230 --> 01:38:35.900
an increase as
affects to the air quality

01:38:35.900 --> 01:38:38.520
and create a risk of
potential explosion.

01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:41.240
All in all the expansion of
the SoCalGas compressor

01:38:41.240 --> 01:38:42.560
needs to be stopped.

01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:45.110
Let's care about children's
lives and the lives of everyone

01:38:45.110 --> 01:38:47.210
within that neighborhood and the avenue.

01:38:47.210 --> 01:38:48.410
Thank you for your time.

01:38:49.780 --> 01:38:51.053
Thank you for the call.

01:38:52.130 --> 01:38:53.900
Next caller, please operator

01:38:55.580 --> 01:38:57.580
Evan Taylor.
You may go ahead.

01:39:01.510 --> 01:39:03.040
Hello, my
name is Evan Taylor.

01:39:03.040 --> 01:39:05.390
I'm a 17 year old junior
high school student

01:39:05.390 --> 01:39:07.080
calling from Cameroon.

01:39:07.080 --> 01:39:09.610
I recently learned from my
peers about the Venter compressor

01:39:09.610 --> 01:39:12.460
station and would like
to express my concerns.

01:39:12.460 --> 01:39:15.100
The expansion of the SoCalGas
into our compressor station

01:39:15.100 --> 01:39:17.100
holds a history of many mistakes,

01:39:17.100 --> 01:39:19.587
dangerous mistakes that
include contamination and leaks.

01:39:19.587 --> 01:39:22.380
According to the column
compressor station threatened

01:39:22.380 --> 01:39:26.110
school, children denies
community voices and the PC star.

01:39:26.110 --> 01:39:29.490
The facility has had

01:39:29.490 --> 01:39:32.400
a bad track record of
leaks and violations over its

01:39:32.400 --> 01:39:35.940
100 year history as an
industrial and fossil fuel site.

01:39:35.940 --> 01:39:36.773
As a result,

01:39:36.773 --> 01:39:39.570
the soil is contaminated
with lead, diesel fuel

01:39:39.570 --> 01:39:42.300
and many other known carcinogens.

01:39:42.300 --> 01:39:44.390
If this expansion
continues, it will be placed

01:39:44.390 --> 01:39:46.693
in a state recognized
disadvantaged community.

01:39:47.590 --> 01:39:50.090
It will also neighbor the
EP foster elementary school

01:39:50.090 --> 01:39:53.020
and affordable housing further
disadvantaging the community

01:39:53.020 --> 01:39:55.140
while simultaneously putting many lives,

01:39:55.140 --> 01:39:57.530
including those of
young children at risk.

01:39:57.530 --> 01:39:59.400
It is a threat to the community,

01:39:59.400 --> 01:40:01.820
to the children and to the environment.

01:40:01.820 --> 01:40:04.230
Under no circumstances
is it right or just

01:40:04.230 --> 01:40:06.700
to allow for such a dangerous
compressor station to

01:40:06.700 --> 01:40:08.170
neighbor and elementary school.

01:40:08.170 --> 01:40:09.370
Thank you for your time.

01:40:11.330 --> 01:40:12.230
Thank your call.

01:40:13.495 --> 01:40:14.945
Operator, next caller please.

01:40:16.200 --> 01:40:18.550
Dr. Patrick Kearns,
you may go ahead.

01:40:21.730 --> 01:40:23.420
Madam president
and Commissioners.

01:40:23.420 --> 01:40:24.800
My name is Dr. Patrick Kearns.

01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:26.570
I'm a rate payer in the south bay.

01:40:26.570 --> 01:40:30.490
Thank you for your efforts
to reinforce the safety net

01:40:30.490 --> 01:40:32.880
for those impacted by the pandemic

01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:36.730
or born on the wrong
side of the financial divide.

01:40:36.730 --> 01:40:40.090
I've had a patient recognize
that I was running late

01:40:40.090 --> 01:40:43.440
and offered to cut
their appointment short

01:40:43.440 --> 01:40:46.530
so I could have time to
attend to other patients'

01:40:46.530 --> 01:40:48.580
significant problems.

01:40:48.580 --> 01:40:51.040
I've been moved by the
compelling comments

01:40:51.040 --> 01:40:54.060
articulated by today's speakers.

01:40:54.060 --> 01:40:59.060
I yield my time for commenting
on other crucial issues

01:41:00.850 --> 01:41:03.710
out of respect to your
time required to absorb

01:41:03.710 --> 01:41:07.260
and deliberate on these
public health issues

01:41:07.260 --> 01:41:11.690
articulated by students,
seniors, and an entire community.

01:41:11.690 --> 01:41:13.290
Most impressive.

01:41:13.290 --> 01:41:15.253
Thank you very much for your time.

01:41:17.970 --> 01:41:20.430
Thank you
Dr. Kearn for your call.

01:41:20.430 --> 01:41:22.203
Operator, the next call, please.

01:41:24.533 --> 01:41:26.563
Rose Aley,
you may go ahead.

01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:30.610
As a biologist
Thousand Oaks resident

01:41:30.610 --> 01:41:32.480
and Woolsey fire survivor,

01:41:32.480 --> 01:41:36.440
I oppose any expansion of the
gas compressor station across

01:41:36.440 --> 01:41:40.390
from EP foster elementary
school in west Ventura.

01:41:40.390 --> 01:41:42.580
As the parent of the child who suffers

01:41:42.580 --> 01:41:45.850
with Petro chemical
pollution triggered asthma,

01:41:45.850 --> 01:41:48.370
I have watched helplessly as my daughter

01:41:48.370 --> 01:41:51.150
struggled to breathe and could not.

01:41:51.150 --> 01:41:55.590
It is unconscionable for you
to knowingly allow SoCalGas

01:41:55.590 --> 01:41:58.690
to cite their dangerous
polluting infrastructure,

01:41:58.690 --> 01:42:01.660
anywhere near where
children congregate daily,

01:42:01.660 --> 01:42:04.050
exposing them to the constant danger

01:42:04.050 --> 01:42:05.900
of respiratory health issues

01:42:05.900 --> 01:42:08.410
and life-threatening explosions.

01:42:08.410 --> 01:42:11.830
Parents shouldn't have to
worry whether our kids are safe

01:42:11.830 --> 01:42:13.600
in our homes and schools.

01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:16.330
And it's your duty as
public servants to ensure

01:42:16.330 --> 01:42:19.667
we don't have to identified as a nets

01:42:19.667 --> 01:42:21.740
and super emitter by NASA.

01:42:21.740 --> 01:42:25.930
This facility has a dismal
record of leaks and violations.

01:42:25.930 --> 01:42:30.770
We all witnessed what
similar conditions at STGs Aliso

01:42:30.770 --> 01:42:34.083
storage facility did to the
community of Porter ranch.

01:42:35.020 --> 01:42:35.853
Furthermore,

01:42:35.853 --> 01:42:40.490
ITCC warned over two years
ago that preventing an overshoot

01:42:40.490 --> 01:42:45.160
over 1.5 C degrees and the
most catastrophic impacts of

01:42:45.160 --> 01:42:46.330
climate payoff,

01:42:46.330 --> 01:42:50.080
including the devastating heat
drought and wildfires already

01:42:50.080 --> 01:42:51.620
plaguing our county,

01:42:51.620 --> 01:42:55.600
which is warming faster than
any other in the continental US

01:42:55.600 --> 01:43:00.600
requires massive cuts in the
use of coal oil and natural gas

01:43:00.930 --> 01:43:04.970
IPCC's report makes it
absolutely clear that in a world

01:43:04.970 --> 01:43:08.840
where clean energy
renewables are not only available,

01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:11.820
but also less expensive
than traditional polluting

01:43:11.820 --> 01:43:15.980
counterparts, fossil fuel
energy is not worth it's health,

01:43:15.980 --> 01:43:18.560
safety and climate justice impacts

01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:21.750
and is incompatible
with our climate goals.

01:43:21.750 --> 01:43:24.650
The international energy
agency further warned

01:43:24.650 --> 01:43:27.510
just last month that meeting those goals

01:43:27.510 --> 01:43:31.540
requires no new fossil fuel investment.

01:43:31.540 --> 01:43:35.690
That means you and
people in agencies like yours

01:43:35.690 --> 01:43:37.690
at every level of government

01:43:37.690 --> 01:43:42.180
must prohibit any additional
fossil fuel infrastructure,

01:43:42.180 --> 01:43:46.270
not at some later date,
but starting right now.

01:43:46.270 --> 01:43:49.590
This compressor should never
have been allowed anywhere near

01:43:49.590 --> 01:43:50.770
this community.

01:43:50.770 --> 01:43:55.700
You not allow it or any
natural gas facilities to expand.

01:43:55.700 --> 01:43:56.963
Thank you for your time.

01:43:59.450 --> 01:44:01.200
Thank you for your call.

01:44:01.200 --> 01:44:03.063
Operator, the next caller, please.

01:44:04.380 --> 01:44:06.033
Maya, you may go ahead.

01:44:09.270 --> 01:44:10.780
Hi. My name is Maya Yetz,

01:44:10.780 --> 01:44:13.880
and I'm in Sophomore High
School from Cambrio California

01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:15.690
located in Ventura county.

01:44:15.690 --> 01:44:18.470
I'm calling in regards to the
compressor station expansion

01:44:18.470 --> 01:44:19.690
in our community.

01:44:19.690 --> 01:44:21.260
I believe this is so wrong,

01:44:21.260 --> 01:44:23.600
especially for the
health of those children.

01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:24.630
As a youth myself,

01:44:24.630 --> 01:44:26.260
I understand that all those kids

01:44:26.260 --> 01:44:27.880
just want to play outside for hours

01:44:27.880 --> 01:44:30.180
and they shouldn't have
to worry about anything.

01:44:30.180 --> 01:44:32.510
As a 16 year old now
I'm able to look back

01:44:32.510 --> 01:44:34.720
and appreciate those experiences I had,

01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:36.520
especially with my friends.

01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:39.160
Being outdoors is so
crucial free kids' life

01:44:39.160 --> 01:44:40.340
and imagination,

01:44:40.340 --> 01:44:42.720
and we should not be
putting their health in danger.

01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:44.970
Would you all send your
kids to that nearby school?

01:44:44.970 --> 01:44:46.940
I honestly don't think so.

01:44:46.940 --> 01:44:49.460
This is dangerous children
and other community members,

01:44:49.460 --> 01:44:51.740
which makes it hard for
me to wrap around the idea

01:44:51.740 --> 01:44:53.660
that this is even being discussed.

01:44:53.660 --> 01:44:56.100
My dad, Dr. Todd Gates is an oncologist

01:44:56.100 --> 01:44:57.490
Ventura city himself

01:44:57.490 --> 01:44:59.540
and I've had a long discussion with him

01:44:59.540 --> 01:45:02.020
about the horrible effects
of this leading to cancer

01:45:02.020 --> 01:45:03.350
and other health problems.

01:45:03.350 --> 01:45:04.183
As a specialist,

01:45:04.183 --> 01:45:05.920
I believe that you all
should listen to that

01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:07.580
along with all the wonderful speakers

01:45:07.580 --> 01:45:09.730
who have voiced their
opinions and concerns,

01:45:09.730 --> 01:45:12.450
knowing that these children
are becoming higher risk to

01:45:12.450 --> 01:45:15.520
cancer for going to
school is so heartbreaking.

01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:16.735
Continuing on,

01:45:16.735 --> 01:45:18.980
SoCalGas claims this
project was approved

01:45:18.980 --> 01:45:21.640
in 2019 rate case.

01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:23.270
But myself, along with my peers,

01:45:23.270 --> 01:45:25.260
don't think this project
has been approved.

01:45:25.260 --> 01:45:27.860
The rate case is vague about
the project and no plans or

01:45:27.860 --> 01:45:29.700
costs for the project were included.

01:45:29.700 --> 01:45:32.390
The community was never
notified and the residential

01:45:32.390 --> 01:45:34.030
location was never disclosed.

01:45:34.030 --> 01:45:37.160
If it's supposed through it is
a major violation of the PUC,

01:45:37.160 --> 01:45:38.720
environmental justice policies.

01:45:38.720 --> 01:45:40.410
We cannot let this happen.

01:45:40.410 --> 01:45:41.660
And for the last two hours,

01:45:41.660 --> 01:45:43.410
it has been a privilege
to listen to everyone,

01:45:43.410 --> 01:45:44.610
voice their opinions.

01:45:44.610 --> 01:45:45.443
Thank you.

01:45:45.443 --> 01:45:48.010
And please keep in mind the
health of our community members.

01:45:50.457 --> 01:45:51.290
Thank you.

01:45:51.290 --> 01:45:52.660
Thank you for your call.

01:45:52.660 --> 01:45:54.310
Operator, our next caller, please

01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:04.563
Operator next caller, please.

01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:09.353
President a Batjer.

01:46:09.353 --> 01:46:11.060
Yes please.

01:46:11.060 --> 01:46:12.590
Thank you ma'am.

01:46:12.590 --> 01:46:16.220
Our next caller is James Brown sprint,

01:46:16.220 --> 01:46:17.053
please proceed.

01:46:19.270 --> 01:46:20.343
Yes. Hi.

01:46:22.260 --> 01:46:24.040
I'd like to speak on a few things,

01:46:24.040 --> 01:46:26.800
including the Ventura
compressor station,

01:46:26.800 --> 01:46:31.800
the IRP hearing, the
avoided cost calculator.

01:46:31.830 --> 01:46:35.930
The second two of which I
honestly don't know much about,

01:46:35.930 --> 01:46:38.080
and I haven't known
much about until today.

01:46:40.270 --> 01:46:44.810
I hope that you are as moved
as I am by all of the comments

01:46:44.810 --> 01:46:48.680
that we've heard today.
And I would like to echo them.

01:46:48.680 --> 01:46:50.513
I live in this neighborhood
and west Ventura

01:46:50.513 --> 01:46:53.770
and I don't want this
in my neighborhood.

01:46:53.770 --> 01:46:55.483
The risk is unacceptable.

01:46:56.600 --> 01:46:59.610
I would also like to point out that

01:46:59.610 --> 01:47:02.160
the international energy agency,

01:47:02.160 --> 01:47:04.040
as I'm sure you're well aware of

01:47:04.040 --> 01:47:05.590
is not just a bunch of hippies,

01:47:06.590 --> 01:47:08.220
has announced that all new oil

01:47:08.220 --> 01:47:09.950
and gas infrastructure must cease.

01:47:09.950 --> 01:47:14.950
If we are to stop global
warming from reaching

01:47:15.200 --> 01:47:16.260
critical levels

01:47:18.637 --> 01:47:20.813
by 2050.

01:47:23.740 --> 01:47:26.116
And I want to point to the big picture,

01:47:26.116 --> 01:47:27.850
And I want to point
to the big, big picture,

01:47:27.850 --> 01:47:30.530
What did scientists predict
to happen before 2100,

01:47:30.530 --> 01:47:32.780
if we did not significantly
alter our course?

01:47:33.730 --> 01:47:37.350
Life-threatening heat, global
water and food shortages,

01:47:37.350 --> 01:47:39.090
billions of climate refugees,

01:47:39.090 --> 01:47:41.890
possible release of
ancient bacteria and viruses

01:47:41.890 --> 01:47:44.880
from melting ice which
no immunities exists,

01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:47.540
acidification of the oceans
that is already happening

01:47:47.540 --> 01:47:48.940
and may kill all marine life

01:47:48.940 --> 01:47:51.940
besides certain slimes and algae,

01:47:51.940 --> 01:47:54.650
toxification of the air we breathe,

01:47:54.650 --> 01:47:57.280
the perpetual war and civil unrest

01:47:57.280 --> 01:47:58.833
and economic collapse.

01:48:01.130 --> 01:48:02.633
What is your job?

01:48:03.610 --> 01:48:06.590
Who are you working for?

01:48:06.590 --> 01:48:10.190
If your job is to protect
members of the public,

01:48:10.190 --> 01:48:11.063
please do it.

01:48:12.440 --> 01:48:17.440
If your job is to protect
economic, the answer is the same.

01:48:19.120 --> 01:48:21.670
I want you to think
about this really seriously.

01:48:21.670 --> 01:48:26.670
It sounds silly, but how
much does the planet cost?

01:48:27.340 --> 01:48:31.653
Is that in your avoided
cost calculator? How much?

01:48:36.966 --> 01:48:38.340
Thank you.

01:48:38.340 --> 01:48:39.950
Thank you, Mr. Brown.

01:48:39.950 --> 01:48:41.203
Next caller, please.

01:48:43.404 --> 01:48:45.230
Our next
caller is Karena Kay

01:48:45.230 --> 01:48:46.080
You may go ahead.

01:48:48.690 --> 01:48:51.000
Hi, thank you
for calling today.

01:48:51.000 --> 01:48:52.140
My name is Karena Kay,

01:48:52.140 --> 01:48:54.010
and I'm a board member of climate first,

01:48:54.010 --> 01:48:56.560
replacing oil and gas and Ventura.

01:48:56.560 --> 01:49:00.530
In 2017, SoCalGas is
the insurer compressor site

01:49:00.530 --> 01:49:03.933
was founded by NASA to
be a super emitter of methane.

01:49:03.933 --> 01:49:06.780
And one of the few sites in California

01:49:06.780 --> 01:49:09.260
that creates most emissions.

01:49:09.260 --> 01:49:12.130
Methane is a greenhouse
gas known to contribute to

01:49:12.130 --> 01:49:15.250
the effects of climate
change at 28 times

01:49:15.250 --> 01:49:17.300
the rate of carbon dioxide.

01:49:17.300 --> 01:49:18.640
Under no circumstances,

01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:21.780
an energy resource that
will plunge as fed into climate

01:49:21.780 --> 01:49:25.860
chaos. Okay. It's unfathomable to me

01:49:25.860 --> 01:49:28.820
that's at least it has
been at least five years

01:49:28.820 --> 01:49:32.040
since the Aliso canyon
gas leak in Porter ranch

01:49:32.040 --> 01:49:34.780
has been widely reported
for its longterm negligence

01:49:34.780 --> 01:49:37.900
and leaking gas
employees in the community.

01:49:37.900 --> 01:49:40.900
Governor Newsome has
condemned the at least obtaining site.

01:49:40.900 --> 01:49:42.300
And from your own website,

01:49:42.300 --> 01:49:46.730
I see the joint agencies,
the CPUC LAD WP,

01:49:46.730 --> 01:49:51.310
the CEC and CalISO have a
disappointingly slow withdrawal

01:49:51.310 --> 01:49:55.413
protocol for that site, which
is also owned by SoCalGas.

01:49:56.380 --> 01:50:00.040
So why is this site at the
state recognized disadvantage

01:50:00.040 --> 01:50:03.960
community of the west side
of Ventura allowed to seek

01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:08.280
expansion without a full EIR
when other similar methane

01:50:08.280 --> 01:50:10.740
leaking sites have been
called to be shut down

01:50:10.740 --> 01:50:12.850
for over half a decade?

01:50:12.850 --> 01:50:16.980
It's just irresponsible
dangerous and having natural gas

01:50:16.980 --> 01:50:19.060
in our energy portfolio is an unfair,

01:50:19.060 --> 01:50:22.160
terracing, wrong headed investment

01:50:22.160 --> 01:50:25.600
in the clean, renewable
energy transition that we need.

01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:26.433
Thank you.

01:50:29.380 --> 01:50:30.213
Thank you.

01:50:30.213 --> 01:50:31.873
Operator, next caller, please.

01:50:35.261 --> 01:50:37.040
Our next
caller is Jane Fowler.

01:50:37.040 --> 01:50:37.890
You may go ahead.

01:50:40.070 --> 01:50:43.420
Hi, my name's Jane Fowler

01:50:43.420 --> 01:50:46.230
and I live in Granada Hills.

01:50:46.230 --> 01:50:49.760
I'm also a co-founder
of Elisa moms Alliance.

01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:52.560
I I'm calling today
because I lived through

01:50:52.560 --> 01:50:57.560
and am still living through
SoCalGas's largest gas blowout

01:50:58.420 --> 01:51:02.830
in US history and it continues to leak

01:51:02.830 --> 01:51:06.080
our health continues to be affected.

01:51:06.080 --> 01:51:09.430
And I know that you at the
PC have heard testimony

01:51:09.430 --> 01:51:11.830
from my Aliso community.

01:51:11.830 --> 01:51:14.660
So for me, in a way I cannot believe

01:51:14.660 --> 01:51:18.430
you are even considering
more compressors

01:51:18.430 --> 01:51:22.332
or building any kind of thing
for the fossil fuel industry.

01:51:22.332 --> 01:51:24.370
I mean, these new compressors are gonna

01:51:24.370 --> 01:51:27.940
let press gas push gas
through harder and faster

01:51:27.940 --> 01:51:31.360
so that it can blow
out, leak or explode.

01:51:31.360 --> 01:51:33.630
We have too many examples of

01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:38.320
these horrible occurrences
because it's SoCalGas has

01:51:38.320 --> 01:51:40.700
old infrastructure pipelines.

01:51:40.700 --> 01:51:44.730
They're crumbling also
methane is a fugitive gas.

01:51:44.730 --> 01:51:49.730
So, any nut or bolt
it's going to leak from,

01:51:50.620 --> 01:51:53.243
and there really is no safe compressor.

01:51:54.240 --> 01:51:56.900
And the fact that it's across
the street from an elementary

01:51:56.900 --> 01:51:59.950
school and you know, a
disadvantaged community,

01:51:59.950 --> 01:52:01.200
this is dangerous.

01:52:01.200 --> 01:52:03.123
And I worry for the community.

01:52:04.160 --> 01:52:08.060
The school that was in our area

01:52:08.060 --> 01:52:12.140
by the Aliso canyon gas
facility was a mile away

01:52:12.140 --> 01:52:14.500
and it had to be relocated.

01:52:14.500 --> 01:52:17.630
So many teachers have
died, residents have died,

01:52:17.630 --> 01:52:20.410
pets have died, elders have died,

01:52:20.410 --> 01:52:23.910
cancers of all kinds are
propping up in our community,

01:52:23.910 --> 01:52:27.060
blood disorders and so much more.

01:52:27.060 --> 01:52:30.310
And it continues and it is slow.

01:52:30.310 --> 01:52:34.510
It is a slow invisible death to many

01:52:34.510 --> 01:52:38.080
or a disruption to physical health.

01:52:38.080 --> 01:52:39.140
And as many have said,

01:52:39.140 --> 01:52:42.102
mass all causes place a super admin or,

01:52:42.102 --> 01:52:45.200
and that's because SoCalGas
doesn't really keep track of

01:52:45.200 --> 01:52:47.603
their product. Their methane gas.

01:52:50.430 --> 01:52:53.850
Anyway, I just wished that
you would stop expanding.

01:52:53.850 --> 01:52:56.340
The world is moving away
from fossil fuels to gas was

01:52:56.340 --> 01:53:00.683
killing people and do not build
any more gas infrastructure.

01:53:02.100 --> 01:53:04.350
It is coming to an end fossil fuels.

01:53:04.350 --> 01:53:05.240
Thank you so much.

01:53:05.240 --> 01:53:06.073
Thank you.

01:53:07.570 --> 01:53:10.613
Thank you. Operator,
next caller, please.

01:53:13.625 --> 01:53:15.600
Our next caller
is Gabriela Mendez.

01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:16.450
You may go ahead.

01:53:19.070 --> 01:53:20.713
Hello? Can you hear me?

01:53:21.980 --> 01:53:23.490
Yes go ahead.

01:53:23.490 --> 01:53:25.490
Yes, we can hear you fine.

01:53:25.490 --> 01:53:26.570
Thank you. Good morning.

01:53:26.570 --> 01:53:29.650
I'm Gabriel amended and I
live in the county of Riverside.

01:53:29.650 --> 01:53:31.947
I'm here to speak for
myself and for my family

01:53:31.947 --> 01:53:33.670
and my friends.

01:53:33.670 --> 01:53:36.580
I'm here to ask also for the IFP role

01:53:36.580 --> 01:53:40.430
to keep with plans, to
order over 10,000 megawatts

01:53:40.430 --> 01:53:43.176
of zero emitting sources also,

01:53:43.176 --> 01:53:47.490
and this is super important
as I'm also hearing from various

01:53:47.490 --> 01:53:50.670
community members as well
throughout the state to reject

01:53:50.670 --> 01:53:54.180
plans, to waste any
more money on gas plants

01:53:54.180 --> 01:53:55.760
and also to prioritize,

01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:58.330
but like communities for
clean energy investment

01:53:58.330 --> 01:53:59.863
rather than fossil fuels.

01:54:01.330 --> 01:54:03.480
I just want to come in
here and mentioned that

01:54:03.480 --> 01:54:05.360
we are always on these calls.

01:54:05.360 --> 01:54:08.520
I am always on these calls
and the reason why people

01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:10.250
are so emotional is because

01:54:10.250 --> 01:54:11.870
this is dealing with their lives.

01:54:11.870 --> 01:54:16.160
And it's quite frustrating that
we have to gamble our lives

01:54:16.160 --> 01:54:18.890
for the decision that you guys make.

01:54:18.890 --> 01:54:21.300
It is really important that you guys

01:54:21.300 --> 01:54:22.550
phase off fossils fuels now.

01:54:22.550 --> 01:54:25.150
Do not make any more investment in gas

01:54:25.150 --> 01:54:27.580
because our communities
cannot afford to have that

01:54:27.580 --> 01:54:29.840
in our community any longer.

01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:32.740
We're also in a climate emergency.

01:54:32.740 --> 01:54:35.420
It is terrifying, terrifying.

01:54:35.420 --> 01:54:38.840
I am scared to see
what is about to happen.

01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:41.000
If we don't fight this now.

01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:43.120
It is not the time to keep investing

01:54:43.120 --> 01:54:45.750
in dirty energy.

01:54:45.750 --> 01:54:48.570
We need to go green,
not because it's an option,

01:54:48.570 --> 01:54:50.180
but because it's an emergency.

01:54:50.180 --> 01:54:52.620
And because it is our only option,

01:54:52.620 --> 01:54:54.670
it is our only option for
the sake of the health

01:54:54.670 --> 01:54:57.750
of my family, for the sake
of the health of myself,

01:54:57.750 --> 01:55:01.173
for my friends, for every
community in this state,

01:55:03.810 --> 01:55:05.163
This is urgent,

01:55:06.010 --> 01:55:08.330
I really hope that you listened
to the committee members

01:55:08.330 --> 01:55:10.810
because they're giving it all they got,

01:55:10.810 --> 01:55:14.670
we're giving it all we have
so that you can listen to us

01:55:15.530 --> 01:55:16.940
and pass the correct rule.

01:55:16.940 --> 01:55:19.800
You know what the right thing
to do is you are well aware of

01:55:19.800 --> 01:55:21.300
what the right thing to do is.

01:55:21.300 --> 01:55:23.910
So I really hope that you do that today.

01:55:23.910 --> 01:55:24.743
Thank you.

01:55:27.050 --> 01:55:28.320
Thank you.

01:55:28.320 --> 01:55:29.943
Operator, next caller, please.

01:55:33.449 --> 01:55:35.797
Our next caller
is Tomas Waterwatch

01:55:40.746 --> 01:55:41.960
Hi, good
morning Commissioners.

01:55:41.960 --> 01:55:43.700
My name is Tomas Morales Becky,

01:55:43.700 --> 01:55:46.772
and I worked for food and
water watch in Ventura county.

01:55:46.772 --> 01:55:49.247
And yeah, we were part of the west side,

01:55:49.247 --> 01:55:50.080
clean air coalition,

01:55:50.080 --> 01:55:52.310
along with dozens of other
groups and hundreds of local

01:55:52.310 --> 01:55:53.720
residents. Many of
you've heard from today,

01:55:53.720 --> 01:55:57.030
but many could not be on
because of the timing and work

01:55:57.030 --> 01:55:59.220
for extremely opposed to
the SoCalGaseous plan,

01:55:59.220 --> 01:56:01.220
to double the size of their
compressor station in our

01:56:01.220 --> 01:56:02.580
neighborhood.

01:56:02.580 --> 01:56:04.610
I live a couple blocks
from the facility to,

01:56:04.610 --> 01:56:07.530
with my two young children
whose lungs are still developing.

01:56:07.530 --> 01:56:11.240
So my daughter and son will
soon be attending the EAP boss

01:56:11.240 --> 01:56:13.100
of the military school
right across the street.

01:56:13.100 --> 01:56:16.970
So it's extremely personal
and issue that affects us daily.

01:56:16.970 --> 01:56:19.381
We can frequently smell
gas coming from that facility as

01:56:19.381 --> 01:56:23.146
mentioned many times before
NASA captured as a super emitter

01:56:23.146 --> 01:56:26.370
just a few years ago. And
in those NASA images,

01:56:26.370 --> 01:56:29.060
you can see the toxic plumes
surrounding the facility and

01:56:29.060 --> 01:56:31.800
leaking into the school
playground and nearby homes.

01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:33.900
This facility has a long
history of other leaks too

01:56:33.900 --> 01:56:36.290
documented by our air
pollution control district

01:56:36.290 --> 01:56:37.790
and many leaks that were never reported

01:56:37.790 --> 01:56:39.890
or just people don't
know how to report them.

01:56:39.890 --> 01:56:42.100
Not only is it across the street
from an elementary school,

01:56:42.100 --> 01:56:44.970
but also at boys and girls
club and thousands of residents,

01:56:44.970 --> 01:56:46.010
homes, teachers,

01:56:46.010 --> 01:56:49.410
and students who recorded
toxic smells going back decades

01:56:49.410 --> 01:56:52.393
from this facility, you
heard from a teacher date,

01:56:52.393 --> 01:56:54.320
two that taught through
the '90's and retired.

01:56:54.320 --> 01:56:56.640
We already live in a California
disadvantaged community,

01:56:56.640 --> 01:57:00.150
which has been mentioned over
and over for over 70% Latinex.

01:57:00.150 --> 01:57:03.180
And many of my neighbors
suffer from higher rates of asthma,

01:57:03.180 --> 01:57:04.310
heart disease, and cancer

01:57:04.310 --> 01:57:06.616
as a result of the pollution
we are exposed to.

01:57:06.616 --> 01:57:09.210
SoCalGas claims this
project was approved

01:57:09.210 --> 01:57:10.860
in the 2019 rate case.

01:57:10.860 --> 01:57:12.260
So we don't think this project

01:57:12.260 --> 01:57:14.030
has been properly approved yet.

01:57:14.030 --> 01:57:16.110
The rate case is
vague about this project.

01:57:16.110 --> 01:57:18.560
Just a couple of
paragraphs of description,

01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:21.870
no cost for the project were included.

01:57:21.870 --> 01:57:24.460
So basically they were given
a blank check without showing

01:57:24.460 --> 01:57:27.120
any evidence that it's actually needed.

01:57:27.120 --> 01:57:30.760
The fact is it was located in
a disadvantaged community,

01:57:30.760 --> 01:57:33.250
was not mentioned right across
from the elementary school

01:57:33.250 --> 01:57:35.310
was never mentioned this slips through.

01:57:35.310 --> 01:57:38.190
It will be completely
contradictory to the PUC,

01:57:38.190 --> 01:57:40.120
environmental justice policies.

01:57:40.120 --> 01:57:41.399
Your own staff has said that.

01:57:41.399 --> 01:57:45.060
SoCalGas has misrepresented
the PUC approval of this

01:57:45.060 --> 01:57:46.773
project and SoCalGas claims,

01:57:48.780 --> 01:57:51.410
which is ridiculous because
even a botanical garden in our

01:57:51.410 --> 01:57:53.330
area needed an EIR.

01:57:53.330 --> 01:57:57.400
So I'm asking you to do
what's right with and your power.

01:57:57.400 --> 01:57:59.410
Listen to us, do an
environmental impact review.

01:57:59.410 --> 01:58:01.230
That's a basic bare minimum,

01:58:01.230 --> 01:58:04.110
but also this should be shut
down and there should be no

01:58:04.110 --> 01:58:07.950
more funding for any fossil
fuel infrastructure period.

01:58:07.950 --> 01:58:08.783
Thank you.

01:58:11.340 --> 01:58:13.270
Thank you for your call.

01:58:13.270 --> 01:58:14.770
Operator, next caller, please.

01:58:16.290 --> 01:58:19.493
Our next caller
is Marvin Norman.

01:58:19.493 --> 01:58:20.910
You may go ahead.

01:58:22.760 --> 01:58:24.360
Hello.

01:58:24.360 --> 01:58:26.077
Hello, please go ahead.

01:58:26.077 --> 01:58:27.580
Hi. Yes, my
name is Marvin Norman.

01:58:27.580 --> 01:58:29.550
I am a resident of the San Bernardino.

01:58:29.550 --> 01:58:30.383
I mean the inland empire.

01:58:30.383 --> 01:58:35.113
And I'm fine to first
talk about the gas plant

01:58:35.113 --> 01:58:36.923
or a compressor station.
I'm here about a Ventura.

01:58:36.923 --> 01:58:39.301
This sounds absolutely maddening.

01:58:39.301 --> 01:58:42.225
It's ridiculous that
we're to be putting this

01:58:42.225 --> 01:58:43.513
in the community.

01:58:45.516 --> 01:58:46.740
And although I don't live in Ventura,

01:58:46.740 --> 01:58:48.570
I know the type of community

01:58:48.570 --> 01:58:50.040
because we have the same problem here

01:58:50.040 --> 01:58:51.650
in the inland empire on occasion.

01:58:51.650 --> 01:58:54.390
So it's stimulus that we
were going forward with this

01:58:56.500 --> 01:58:57.333
but moving on,

01:58:57.333 --> 01:59:01.710
we also need to start working
on limiting these emissions.

01:59:01.710 --> 01:59:04.550
You know, we hear a
lot about that climate time.

01:59:04.550 --> 01:59:06.930
The window of opportunity is closing,

01:59:06.930 --> 01:59:09.470
but the truth is the
window of opportunity really

01:59:09.470 --> 01:59:10.303
is already closed.

01:59:10.303 --> 01:59:13.110
The fact that people say
that we have nine more years

01:59:13.110 --> 01:59:15.510
before we have climate catastrophe,

01:59:15.510 --> 01:59:17.740
but that's a really a privileged
view that we have here in

01:59:17.740 --> 01:59:20.090
the Western world, in the
other parts of the world,

01:59:20.090 --> 01:59:21.220
where they are less fortunate,

01:59:21.220 --> 01:59:22.500
they are already in catastrophe

01:59:22.500 --> 01:59:25.540
and it's largely due to our actions and,

01:59:25.540 --> 01:59:27.580
or rather in this case inaction

01:59:27.580 --> 01:59:31.110
and continuation of
putting projects like this,

01:59:31.110 --> 01:59:32.450
that community.

01:59:32.450 --> 01:59:36.020
So we need to get the 10,

01:59:36.020 --> 01:59:39.070
at least 10,000 megawatts of
viewer emitting sources gone

01:59:39.070 --> 01:59:40.683
online. If you diddly, honestly,

01:59:42.041 --> 01:59:44.283
that should be a bare minimum
and go as high as possible.

01:59:45.518 --> 01:59:48.280
We need to not waste a
single more cent on gas

01:59:48.280 --> 01:59:49.617
infrastructure.

01:59:49.617 --> 01:59:50.640
You know, these things have 25,

01:59:50.640 --> 01:59:54.010
30 year payback times in many cases.

01:59:54.010 --> 01:59:59.010
So even if we're saying that
with where we have 10 more

01:59:59.790 --> 02:00:02.278
years, that's clearly less time than we.

02:00:02.278 --> 02:00:04.230
And then, you know,

02:00:04.230 --> 02:00:06.540
the payback time for such
an infrastructure would be.

02:00:06.540 --> 02:00:09.520
And so there's no reason to
waste that money now and leave

02:00:09.520 --> 02:00:11.057
those stranded assets out there.

02:00:11.057 --> 02:00:13.450
And we need to really prioritize
our frontline communities

02:00:13.450 --> 02:00:17.150
like Ventura that we're hearing
now and your investment in

02:00:17.150 --> 02:00:21.820
clean energy sources and to
environmental justice that they

02:00:21.820 --> 02:00:24.960
deserve to stop this
environmental racism against them.

02:00:24.960 --> 02:00:30.200
And finally, we need to
get a lower GHD target

02:00:30.200 --> 02:00:32.950
or it's 38 million metric ton,

02:00:32.950 --> 02:00:37.440
but we really need to
go by even 25 million

02:00:37.440 --> 02:00:41.067
for the next cycle emergency

02:00:41.067 --> 02:00:42.440
and we need to act like it.

02:00:42.440 --> 02:00:43.630
So thank you for your time

02:00:43.630 --> 02:00:46.313
and hope you have the right decisions.

02:00:48.870 --> 02:00:49.703
Thank you.

02:00:49.703 --> 02:00:51.163
Operator, next caller, please.

02:00:53.240 --> 02:00:55.040
Our next caller is Edward.

02:00:57.090 --> 02:00:57.940
You may go ahead.

02:00:59.604 --> 02:01:00.830
Hello, everyone.

02:01:00.830 --> 02:01:03.546
My name is Edward Lassy
and I'm in Oxford resident,

02:01:03.546 --> 02:01:06.750
but working in Ventura
when calling to further bring

02:01:06.750 --> 02:01:09.000
attention to the SoCalGas
compressor station,

02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:11.950
extension immune trend echo,

02:01:11.950 --> 02:01:14.250
a lot of things that
previous callers have said,

02:01:14.250 --> 02:01:16.310
district post expansion is
dangerous named Claire,

02:01:16.310 --> 02:01:18.898
that you take action for a full
environmental impact review

02:01:18.898 --> 02:01:20.371
of the extension project.

02:01:20.371 --> 02:01:21.730
But I also just want to highlight that,

02:01:21.730 --> 02:01:26.070
although you heard many
concerns today from many residents,

02:01:26.070 --> 02:01:27.870
there are many that you didn't today

02:01:28.900 --> 02:01:30.750
that come from non-English speakers.

02:01:30.750 --> 02:01:35.750
And I want to make sure
that that is brought up many

02:01:36.750 --> 02:01:39.210
non-English speakers
could enjoy due to the lack of

02:01:39.210 --> 02:01:40.860
accessibility of this meeting.

02:01:40.860 --> 02:01:43.610
And I want you to know that
they care about this issue.

02:01:44.660 --> 02:01:47.160
And yeah,

02:01:47.160 --> 02:01:51.430
so I just wanna say that I
hope that you would take action

02:01:51.430 --> 02:01:55.080
again fossil fuels and how
the transition away from them.

02:01:55.080 --> 02:01:57.000
And I hope you all support
their quest that you received

02:01:57.000 --> 02:02:00.700
today and not ignore that
environmental justice issue.

02:02:00.700 --> 02:02:02.683
Thank you and have a great day.

02:02:04.740 --> 02:02:05.573
Thank you for the call.

02:02:05.573 --> 02:02:07.403
Operator, next caller, please.

02:02:20.730 --> 02:02:21.563
President Batjer,

02:02:21.563 --> 02:02:24.040
our next speaker is Dan Cortney.

02:02:24.040 --> 02:02:25.623
Mr. Courtney, you may proceed.

02:02:27.430 --> 02:02:28.810
My name is Dan Courtney

02:02:28.810 --> 02:02:29.970
a member of this year club,

02:02:29.970 --> 02:02:32.610
utility wildfire provision taskforce,

02:02:32.610 --> 02:02:35.310
but I'm speaking today
solely as a property owner

02:02:35.310 --> 02:02:38.960
in high risk community of
Samil mountain in 20 county.

02:02:38.960 --> 02:02:41.773
And as a survivor
of the rim fire of 2013,

02:02:42.980 --> 02:02:44.650
I'd like to ask the
Commission to reconsider

02:02:44.650 --> 02:02:46.830
as focus on directing PG&E,

02:02:46.830 --> 02:02:49.760
to focus on vegetation
management and particularly

02:02:49.760 --> 02:02:52.820
the proposed removal
of all restrict trees,

02:02:52.820 --> 02:02:54.863
meaning any tree tall
enough to potentially

02:02:54.863 --> 02:02:56.830
reach a power line.

02:02:56.830 --> 02:02:59.400
We're now seeing the vast
majority of utility wildfires

02:02:59.400 --> 02:03:01.430
are caused by equipment failure.

02:03:01.430 --> 02:03:03.830
This is no surprise given
how much a PG&E circuits

02:03:03.830 --> 02:03:05.850
in a high fire threat districts

02:03:05.850 --> 02:03:08.840
have exceeded their
maximum lifespan of 70 years

02:03:08.840 --> 02:03:12.410
and feature bare uninsulated,
high voltage electrical wires

02:03:12.410 --> 02:03:14.140
running through forests.

02:03:14.140 --> 02:03:17.600
Even in the case of tree
branch bird or blue strikes

02:03:17.600 --> 02:03:19.480
fires could be prevented
by the installation

02:03:19.480 --> 02:03:24.110
of steel core insulated
conductor, arc fault interrupters,

02:03:24.110 --> 02:03:27.780
frequently conductors
and connections that is,

02:03:27.780 --> 02:03:32.044
and other 20th century equipment
as SCI and STG have done

02:03:32.044 --> 02:03:35.700
in their high fire risk districts.

02:03:35.700 --> 02:03:38.110
More over scientific research is proving

02:03:38.960 --> 02:03:40.840
that clearing trees,

02:03:40.840 --> 02:03:43.920
cleaner life trees along power
lines is actually increasing

02:03:43.920 --> 02:03:47.010
the threat of catastrophic
wildfires by creating heat

02:03:47.010 --> 02:03:51.550
islands of flaming flammable,
dry brush and wind tunnels,

02:03:51.550 --> 02:03:54.610
which propelled the flame
of brands at a higher velocity.

02:03:54.610 --> 02:03:57.510
And these studies have
shown the rate of fire spread

02:03:57.510 --> 02:03:59.610
was much faster on
the power line corridors

02:03:59.610 --> 02:04:04.210
in Elisa campfire and
SEU complex fires at peace.

02:04:04.210 --> 02:04:07.540
As there were less trees
to slow a block the wind.

02:04:07.540 --> 02:04:08.780
Of course the ultimate safety

02:04:08.780 --> 02:04:10.320
is through undergrounding.

02:04:10.320 --> 02:04:13.390
And with regards to two agenda item 24,

02:04:13.390 --> 02:04:17.040
originally Commissioned
to prioritize fire prevention

02:04:17.040 --> 02:04:22.040
as a factor in selecting areas
to perform under grounding.

02:04:22.330 --> 02:04:24.930
The other thing is I would urge them

02:04:24.930 --> 02:04:29.930
to try to adopt a rule
20 D such as STG has,

02:04:33.150 --> 02:04:35.940
which will accelerate
the rate of conversion

02:04:35.940 --> 02:04:38.903
to undergrounding in
the high fire districts.

02:04:42.280 --> 02:04:45.840
Finally, just please
recognize it's not the trees,

02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:47.670
it's the wires they're
sparking the fires.

02:04:47.670 --> 02:04:48.503
Thank you.

02:04:51.050 --> 02:04:52.700
Thank you

02:04:52.700 --> 02:04:54.400
Operator, the next caller, please.

02:04:56.160 --> 02:04:58.370
Our next caller
is Katelyn Kerrwood.

02:04:58.370 --> 02:04:59.220
You may go ahead.

02:05:01.630 --> 02:05:03.270
Hi, I'm Karen Kerrwood.

02:05:03.270 --> 02:05:05.310
I'm a high school student
from Ventura county

02:05:05.310 --> 02:05:06.817
and I'm calling to demand the halt

02:05:06.817 --> 02:05:10.510
the SoCalGas to a
compressor station expansion.

02:05:10.510 --> 02:05:11.343
When I was young,

02:05:11.343 --> 02:05:13.230
I lived a carefree and enjoyable life.

02:05:13.230 --> 02:05:15.220
I will not trade my
childhood for anything

02:05:15.220 --> 02:05:18.030
and I hope other
children can live as I did.

02:05:18.030 --> 02:05:19.960
I was able to go out and not be worried

02:05:19.960 --> 02:05:22.277
about my health
conditions or explosions.

02:05:22.277 --> 02:05:23.560
And my life was switched

02:05:23.560 --> 02:05:25.740
and I had to constantly
worry about the dangers

02:05:25.740 --> 02:05:27.870
of health issues in my community.

02:05:27.870 --> 02:05:29.540
My life would be stressful.

02:05:29.540 --> 02:05:32.230
I would not be able to live
my childhood to the full extent

02:05:32.230 --> 02:05:34.880
and would wake up to
the constant fear every day.

02:05:34.880 --> 02:05:36.987
Expanding the SoCalGas
compressor will increase

02:05:36.987 --> 02:05:39.390
the stress of children
while they are at play,

02:05:39.390 --> 02:05:41.490
as well as the parents who
will be raising their children

02:05:41.490 --> 02:05:44.310
in a community that is
directly across the street

02:05:44.310 --> 02:05:45.750
from a gas compressor.

02:05:45.750 --> 02:05:47.740
With this SoCalGas compressors

02:05:48.629 --> 02:05:50.390
should not expand and
should not be located

02:05:50.390 --> 02:05:52.030
across from a community.

02:05:52.030 --> 02:05:53.230
Thank you for your time.

02:05:54.360 --> 02:05:55.920
Thank you for your call.

02:05:57.080 --> 02:05:58.780
Operator, our next caller, please.

02:06:03.150 --> 02:06:05.313
Our next call
for Ross Brisby.

02:06:08.160 --> 02:06:09.700
Hi, my name is Ross Brisby

02:06:09.700 --> 02:06:13.340
and I'm speaking here from
Riverside county, California.

02:06:13.340 --> 02:06:15.493
And I'm calling for the IRP proceeding,

02:06:16.460 --> 02:06:20.130
which kind of dovetails into a
lot of what we've heard about

02:06:20.130 --> 02:06:22.683
the Ventura county substation.

02:06:24.180 --> 02:06:28.610
The reality is that we cannot
afford to invest any more in

02:06:28.610 --> 02:06:30.190
fossil fuel generation.

02:06:30.190 --> 02:06:31.700
We need to make sure that

02:06:31.700 --> 02:06:35.070
all of our energy portfolio spread out

02:06:35.070 --> 02:06:38.590
across renewable clean energy,

02:06:38.590 --> 02:06:41.050
and we're not moving fast enough.

02:06:41.050 --> 02:06:44.180
You're the decision makers.
You're the ones with the power.

02:06:44.180 --> 02:06:47.380
Our environmental justice
communities like Ventura county,

02:06:47.380 --> 02:06:48.480
like Riverside county,

02:06:48.480 --> 02:06:50.460
like our neighboring
San Bernardino county.

02:06:50.460 --> 02:06:51.900
They've been for too long burdened

02:06:51.900 --> 02:06:53.899
by a dirty dangerous system.

02:06:53.899 --> 02:06:57.980
And the emissions from these
they're not spread out evenly.

02:06:57.980 --> 02:07:02.750
The reality is that when
we invest in these fossil fuel

02:07:02.750 --> 02:07:05.210
generation and these
fossil fuel systems,

02:07:05.210 --> 02:07:08.030
the risk is not spread
out evenly across society.

02:07:08.030 --> 02:07:11.100
And it doesn't matter if
even if it was it's not okay,

02:07:11.100 --> 02:07:12.600
but the reality is it's not

02:07:13.943 --> 02:07:16.820
it adversely impacts
disadvantaged communities,

02:07:16.820 --> 02:07:18.360
black and brown communities.

02:07:18.360 --> 02:07:20.050
And this is exactly what we talk about.

02:07:20.050 --> 02:07:22.130
When we talk about environmental racism.

02:07:22.130 --> 02:07:23.990
We need to make sure
that as we move forward,

02:07:23.990 --> 02:07:26.560
as the climate crisis
becomes even bigger,

02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:29.920
and even ahead of us is occurring now

02:07:29.920 --> 02:07:34.030
that we take bold
steps to make sure that

02:07:34.030 --> 02:07:36.673
we have a renewable
system Thank you.

02:07:39.250 --> 02:07:40.083
Thank you.

02:07:40.083 --> 02:07:41.480
Operator, next caller, please.

02:07:45.169 --> 02:07:47.070
Our next caller is Jerry.

02:07:47.070 --> 02:07:49.790
Let me get this.
You may go ahead

02:07:49.790 --> 02:07:51.663
All right. Stand
standby, hold on.

02:07:54.246 --> 02:07:56.610
Hi. Yeah, forgive me.

02:07:56.610 --> 02:07:58.360
Sorry. I was in the middle of
class and then started a class

02:07:58.360 --> 02:07:59.870
council meeting. I,

02:07:59.870 --> 02:08:01.820
I just wanted to make a note that

02:08:03.240 --> 02:08:05.890
is this a modernization
project or an expansion project.

02:08:05.890 --> 02:08:09.110
And I don't think that
SaCalGas even knows

02:08:09.110 --> 02:08:12.310
during the city of Ventura
council meeting a month back

02:08:13.280 --> 02:08:16.600
representatives from the
SoCalGas site stated that

02:08:17.570 --> 02:08:18.870
this would not be an expansion,

02:08:18.870 --> 02:08:20.970
it would simply be modernization,

02:08:20.970 --> 02:08:22.650
but when pressed by our council members,

02:08:22.650 --> 02:08:25.920
it came clear that there
would be additional horsepower

02:08:25.920 --> 02:08:27.187
coming from this site.

02:08:27.187 --> 02:08:29.490
Now I'm trying to be rational
here and assume that maybe

02:08:29.490 --> 02:08:31.600
a modern modernized pump.

02:08:31.600 --> 02:08:33.440
Maybe it's going to have
cleaner emissions or something

02:08:33.440 --> 02:08:34.730
along those lines,

02:08:34.730 --> 02:08:37.304
but I think it's clear today
and it's clear to everyone else

02:08:37.304 --> 02:08:39.390
or to all of you as Commissioners,

02:08:39.390 --> 02:08:42.210
that I'm not sure that
that can be trusted

02:08:42.210 --> 02:08:44.010
and history shows that in fact,

02:08:44.010 --> 02:08:45.143
it probably won't be.

02:08:47.959 --> 02:08:50.480
Do due to closure of pumping sites

02:08:50.480 --> 02:08:53.650
north of us in Santa Barbara,
San Luis Obispo counties,

02:08:53.650 --> 02:08:55.740
it was stated by dusk Foley,

02:08:55.740 --> 02:08:58.640
the planning construction
manager, SoCalGas,

02:08:58.640 --> 02:09:01.820
that there would be additional
horsepower pumping in our

02:09:01.820 --> 02:09:05.460
facility and coupled with
everything else we heard today,

02:09:05.460 --> 02:09:08.010
I have a hard time believing
that that is a good thing.

02:09:08.010 --> 02:09:11.280
That that is a recipe for the
health of the local community,

02:09:11.280 --> 02:09:13.240
who, as we heard countless times again,

02:09:13.240 --> 02:09:15.620
had been marginalized. And
what stood out to me most

02:09:15.620 --> 02:09:18.280
toward educators are
heard at a local meetings

02:09:18.280 --> 02:09:22.440
leading up to this who recounted tales

02:09:22.440 --> 02:09:25.900
of the brushing kids
indoors from playgrounds

02:09:25.900 --> 02:09:30.900
due to leaks a variety of
harmful carcinogenic chemicals.

02:09:31.870 --> 02:09:34.690
So I just want to
remind you all of that,

02:09:34.690 --> 02:09:36.280
remind you all that risk is there

02:09:36.280 --> 02:09:38.920
and that no one
deserves to live with that.

02:09:38.920 --> 02:09:40.470
And I think we heard also trends

02:09:40.470 --> 02:09:42.880
as to where our economy is going

02:09:42.880 --> 02:09:46.270
with regard to electricity over gas

02:09:46.270 --> 02:09:49.050
for certain necessities
in terms of utilities.

02:09:49.050 --> 02:09:50.830
So I think with all of that in mind,

02:09:50.830 --> 02:09:53.110
I think there's a clear
answer today as to where the

02:09:53.110 --> 02:09:56.140
Commission should be
moving forward with this project.

02:09:56.140 --> 02:09:57.760
And I hope you all
make the right choice.

02:09:57.760 --> 02:09:59.060
Thank you for hearing out.

02:10:02.580 --> 02:10:04.380
Operator, the
next caller, please.

02:10:06.570 --> 02:10:08.540
Sorry guys. That
was my next call.

02:10:19.010 --> 02:10:22.500
Again Kendall(radio interference)

02:10:24.200 --> 02:10:25.130
Hi, this is Kendall.

02:10:25.130 --> 02:10:26.193
Sorry about that.

02:10:27.160 --> 02:10:29.700
I'm just so blown
away by all the beautiful

02:10:29.700 --> 02:10:31.430
and passionate comments.

02:10:31.430 --> 02:10:35.300
And I don't think I can
say any of that any better.

02:10:35.300 --> 02:10:39.570
What I can speak to is that I
live on the west side of town

02:10:39.570 --> 02:10:41.140
off the avenue,

02:10:41.140 --> 02:10:46.040
very close to the compressor
site and my children attend

02:10:46.040 --> 02:10:47.860
Ventura charter school,

02:10:47.860 --> 02:10:52.310
which is down the road from
EAP foster in the back of data,

02:10:52.310 --> 02:10:53.730
which is a middle school.

02:10:53.730 --> 02:10:56.823
So there are a lot of children here.

02:10:56.823 --> 02:11:01.823
I am disgusted and heartbroken
that this is even an issue.

02:11:04.600 --> 02:11:07.840
The station should be
shut down, cleaned up,

02:11:07.840 --> 02:11:11.630
and there shouldn't even be
a question of expanding it or

02:11:11.630 --> 02:11:15.300
the joke of saying
that it's modernization.

02:11:15.300 --> 02:11:17.250
I don't believe that.

02:11:17.250 --> 02:11:20.660
And I personally want it
cleaned up. My children are here,

02:11:20.660 --> 02:11:21.520
my children,

02:11:21.520 --> 02:11:24.923
and all of the children
are not acceptable losses.

02:11:28.972 --> 02:11:31.150
I live on this side of
town and be proud of it.

02:11:31.150 --> 02:11:33.530
My family has lived here for 17 years,

02:11:33.530 --> 02:11:35.750
which is not even close
to the amount of time

02:11:35.750 --> 02:11:37.850
that most of the people have lived here.

02:11:37.850 --> 02:11:41.700
And then also want to say
something that I think is related.

02:11:41.700 --> 02:11:43.340
When the Thomas fire burned,

02:11:43.340 --> 02:11:46.040
we watched the fire come down our hill

02:11:46.040 --> 02:11:48.220
and almost hit our house.

02:11:48.220 --> 02:11:52.470
The only reason for it because
my husband's a firefighter

02:11:52.470 --> 02:11:55.370
and he had to save the five
or six houses that were right

02:11:55.370 --> 02:11:57.010
here on the hill.

02:11:57.010 --> 02:11:59.040
Nobody came over here to help us.

02:11:59.040 --> 02:12:01.630
When that when the
house above us burned,

02:12:01.630 --> 02:12:04.870
we called it was smoldering
and could have still caught our

02:12:04.870 --> 02:12:06.830
health and fire. Nobody came here,

02:12:06.830 --> 02:12:08.650
everybody was in Ohio

02:12:08.650 --> 02:12:10.770
and they were on the other side of town.

02:12:10.770 --> 02:12:11.853
It's a big houses.

02:12:12.850 --> 02:12:17.340
This is happening because
it's a majority BiPAP community

02:12:17.340 --> 02:12:19.033
that is low income.

02:12:20.170 --> 02:12:25.170
I am so sad and I am so scared
that this is happening here,

02:12:26.220 --> 02:12:27.880
that it could happen here.

02:12:27.880 --> 02:12:31.140
The right thing to do is shut this down.

02:12:31.140 --> 02:12:32.693
I appreciate you.

02:12:39.160 --> 02:12:41.143
Operated, the
next caller, please.

02:12:45.470 --> 02:12:48.253
Our next caller
is Burger Height.

02:12:49.270 --> 02:12:50.120
You may go ahead.

02:12:59.640 --> 02:13:01.390
I Don't think
they're on the line

02:13:03.720 --> 02:13:05.930
Burger Height
your line is open.

02:13:13.637 --> 02:13:14.863
Can you hear me now.

02:13:15.704 --> 02:13:18.650
Okay. Yes, please go ahead.

02:13:18.650 --> 02:13:19.483
Oh, Yes.

02:13:19.483 --> 02:13:22.880
There's a problem with
radioactive pipe scale and

02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:24.910
natural gas pipe.

02:13:24.910 --> 02:13:26.980
And I believe in compressors too.

02:13:26.980 --> 02:13:31.380
Like Polonius, harmful levels.

02:13:31.380 --> 02:13:34.520
Also, we got another problem coming up.

02:13:34.520 --> 02:13:36.820
It's that the radioactive mud,

02:13:36.820 --> 02:13:39.140
they're having a problem in
Pennsylvania with radioactive

02:13:39.140 --> 02:13:43.300
mud, from various types of
unconventional oil extraction.

02:13:43.300 --> 02:13:46.770
And they're throwing in the
dumps and wherever this is the

02:13:46.770 --> 02:13:48.663
hazardous waste dump is still V-shape.

02:13:48.663 --> 02:13:52.210
And the lead shapes that are
leaking this treatment ponds

02:13:52.210 --> 02:13:54.520
that condense it to really high,

02:13:54.520 --> 02:13:56.830
unsafe radioactivity levels.

02:13:56.830 --> 02:13:59.660
And then the liners
leak and all that mess.

02:13:59.660 --> 02:14:02.100
That'd be like expensive
cleaning up the mess

02:14:02.100 --> 02:14:03.380
they made in Pennsylvania.

02:14:03.380 --> 02:14:06.520
And that might happen over
here in California fact that the

02:14:06.520 --> 02:14:10.730
DTSC has not even have any
oversight over the radioactive

02:14:10.730 --> 02:14:12.959
mud and where it's going.

02:14:12.959 --> 02:14:15.970
And there's going to be a big
mess to clean up very soon.

02:14:15.970 --> 02:14:17.360
Try going to the regular dumps.

02:14:17.360 --> 02:14:20.517
And that's why there's all
these families stay and the cows

02:14:20.517 --> 02:14:21.410
and the families,

02:14:21.410 --> 02:14:26.410
one family member after
another dying below the dumps,

02:14:27.310 --> 02:14:31.663
and there'll be blowing around
like radioactive PMT $0.50.

02:14:33.430 --> 02:14:35.163
Alright, thank you very much.

02:14:37.160 --> 02:14:38.710
Thank you.

02:14:38.710 --> 02:14:40.253
Operator, next caller, please.

02:14:42.656 --> 02:14:44.793
Next caller is Rosa Resa.

02:14:48.557 --> 02:14:49.960
Thanks so
much for your time.

02:14:49.960 --> 02:14:51.980
I am executive director of one step.

02:14:51.980 --> 02:14:53.000
I love it.

02:14:53.000 --> 02:14:55.427
And I would like to raise
up what Eduardo from C prov

02:14:55.427 --> 02:14:58.960
mentioned around the
lack of language justice,

02:14:58.960 --> 02:15:02.620
and the fact that people of
colour have been asking you all

02:15:02.620 --> 02:15:05.710
to take their health into consideration,

02:15:05.710 --> 02:15:08.950
and that we shouldn't have
to beg for our lives for our

02:15:08.950 --> 02:15:10.806
children, for our lungs,

02:15:10.806 --> 02:15:13.147
for the right to breathe and exist

02:15:13.147 --> 02:15:16.930
and dream in our communities.

02:15:16.930 --> 02:15:20.810
We ask you to start taking
our lives into consideration.

02:15:20.810 --> 02:15:21.930
Please shut it down.

02:15:21.930 --> 02:15:26.570
Now we don't need this SoCal
modernization and just make

02:15:26.570 --> 02:15:29.270
sure that you are actually
taking into consideration

02:15:29.270 --> 02:15:32.020
the health of the people of this county,

02:15:32.020 --> 02:15:34.443
because that should be
your number one priority.

02:15:38.064 --> 02:15:38.964
Okay. Thank you.

02:15:40.250 --> 02:15:41.913
Operator, next caller, please.

02:15:48.990 --> 02:15:50.741
President Batjer,

02:15:50.741 --> 02:15:52.553
On the line.

02:15:54.380 --> 02:15:55.213
Sorry, Holly.

02:15:55.213 --> 02:15:56.740
I can't hear you, you're in and out.

02:15:58.468 --> 02:16:00.880
You have no
more public comment

02:16:00.880 --> 02:16:02.390
on telephones line.

02:16:02.390 --> 02:16:04.090
Okay. Thank you.

02:16:04.090 --> 02:16:05.213
Thank you, Holly.

02:16:06.570 --> 02:16:07.420
All Right.

02:16:07.420 --> 02:16:10.773
There are no more callers
on the line at this time.

02:16:11.740 --> 02:16:15.503
So the public comment
period is now officially closed.

02:16:16.700 --> 02:16:21.200
We will take a 15 minute break.

02:16:21.200 --> 02:16:24.303
And so let's be back here at 1235,

02:16:28.534 --> 02:16:29.770
1235.

02:16:29.770 --> 02:16:30.603
Thank you all.

02:16:37.245 --> 02:16:39.828
(upbeat music)

02:17:12.510 --> 02:17:15.040
President Batjer.
You may proceed.

02:17:15.040 --> 02:17:17.100
Thank you operator.

02:17:17.100 --> 02:17:20.860
We're now moving into the agenda changes

02:17:20.860 --> 02:17:22.423
for our agenda today.

02:17:23.280 --> 02:17:24.910
These are the changes.

02:17:24.910 --> 02:17:26.890
Item number six will be held.

02:17:26.890 --> 02:17:29.450
And this is an assignment

02:17:29.450 --> 02:17:32.630
I think you may want
to re-establish quorum.

02:17:32.630 --> 02:17:33.690
Oh, yes, I do.

02:17:33.690 --> 02:17:35.550
I'm so sorry. Thank you Ann.

02:17:35.550 --> 02:17:40.550
And can we please establish
quorum by calling the roll.

02:17:42.820 --> 02:17:45.623
Commissioner Houck.
Here.

02:17:46.970 --> 02:17:49.020
Commissioner Shiroma.
Present.

02:17:51.594 --> 02:17:55.367
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
Present.

02:17:55.367 --> 02:17:59.152
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
Present.

02:17:59.152 --> 02:18:01.470
President Batjer.
Here.

02:18:01.470 --> 02:18:04.230
Thank you. Quorum
has been established.

02:18:04.230 --> 02:18:09.030
All right. Now I will announce
the agenda changes for today.

02:18:09.030 --> 02:18:14.030
Item number six will be held
until June 24th, 2021 meeting

02:18:15.120 --> 02:18:20.100
item 32 will be taken up with
the Consent Agenda today.

02:18:20.100 --> 02:18:24.050
Item 33 will be held until
the Commission meeting on

02:18:24.050 --> 02:18:26.533
June 24th, 2021.

02:18:27.610 --> 02:18:31.190
All right, we will now
take up the consent items.

02:18:31.190 --> 02:18:32.503
Is there a motion?

02:18:34.530 --> 02:18:35.363
Will move.

02:18:36.980 --> 02:18:37.813
Any second

02:18:40.684 --> 02:18:42.210
Okay, thank you.

02:18:42.210 --> 02:18:43.853
Could you please call the roll.

02:18:45.990 --> 02:18:48.433
Commissioner Houck
Yes.

02:18:49.920 --> 02:18:52.343
Commissioner Shiroma
Aye.

02:18:53.676 --> 02:18:57.130
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
Yes.

02:18:57.130 --> 02:18:59.650
Commissioner Guzman
Yes

02:19:00.640 --> 02:19:03.640
President Batjer.
Yes.

02:19:03.640 --> 02:19:07.670
The Consent Agenda
passes unanimously.

02:19:07.670 --> 02:19:10.240
I believe that Commissioner
Guzman Aceves

02:19:10.240 --> 02:19:13.990
and Commissioner Rechtschaffen
wish to speak on items three

02:19:13.990 --> 02:19:15.450
and then Commissioner Rechtschaffen

02:19:15.450 --> 02:19:20.080
would also like to speak
on item number 16,

02:19:20.080 --> 02:19:21.553
Commissioner Guzman Aceves

02:19:22.580 --> 02:19:24.080
Thank you, President Batjer.

02:19:25.012 --> 02:19:26.293
That's her decision,

02:19:27.443 --> 02:19:31.290
which we adopted more
streamlined process under rule 21

02:19:31.290 --> 02:19:33.040
for interconnection.

02:19:33.040 --> 02:19:37.030
And particularly I wanted to
highlight that there is a new

02:19:37.030 --> 02:19:42.030
pilot that we're also rising
for a notification only of

02:19:42.546 --> 02:19:46.130
both the solar and solar plus storage

02:19:46.130 --> 02:19:49.630
that is in non export system.

02:19:49.630 --> 02:19:53.730
And we hope this will
facilitate a greater expansion

02:19:53.730 --> 02:19:57.589
by just requiring a
notification only approach

02:19:57.589 --> 02:20:02.420
and not having to have the
more elaborate collaboration

02:20:02.420 --> 02:20:05.193
with the utilities on
getting the interconnection.

02:20:06.610 --> 02:20:10.380
This I did want to just acknowledge that

02:20:10.380 --> 02:20:14.010
of course the solar and
storage industry would like to

02:20:14.010 --> 02:20:17.537
broaden that pilot
and to include systems

02:20:17.537 --> 02:20:21.660
these are not just not exporting,

02:20:21.660 --> 02:20:25.660
but I think this is a
very good first step

02:20:25.660 --> 02:20:27.800
and just wanted to acknowledge

02:20:27.800 --> 02:20:32.800
and reflect on the fact
that we share the goal

02:20:33.050 --> 02:20:35.336
of wanting to have a
more streamlined process

02:20:35.336 --> 02:20:38.260
for all systems moving forward.

02:20:38.260 --> 02:20:42.350
But I hope this will give us
some lessons learned in order

02:20:42.350 --> 02:20:46.010
to figure out how we do
that best for all systems.

02:20:46.010 --> 02:20:46.843
And finally,

02:20:46.843 --> 02:20:50.080
I just want to thank all the
teams and all the stakeholders

02:20:50.080 --> 02:20:54.020
that have really been working
together on this process.

02:20:54.020 --> 02:20:58.680
Most notably the team
that is under Justin Rainier,

02:20:58.680 --> 02:21:03.140
including Jose Anna
Carol as well some of

02:21:03.140 --> 02:21:07.910
your staff, Mcbrown over at
Commissioner Houck's office

02:21:07.910 --> 02:21:11.105
and Brian corporate,
who is in your office,

02:21:11.105 --> 02:21:12.330
President Batjer.

02:21:12.330 --> 02:21:15.600
Many folks have worked on
this proceeding for many years.

02:21:15.600 --> 02:21:17.640
And of course our judge, judge Hines,

02:21:17.640 --> 02:21:22.110
who is always able to put a
very common understanding

02:21:22.110 --> 02:21:24.017
to what we're doing into her PDs.

02:21:24.870 --> 02:21:28.520
So thank you for letting
me share that exciting pilot

02:21:28.520 --> 02:21:31.530
and hopefully it's just the beginning.

02:21:31.530 --> 02:21:33.500
Great. Thank you.

02:21:33.500 --> 02:21:36.820
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
that I believe you wish to speak on

02:21:36.820 --> 02:21:38.290
item three as well.

02:21:38.290 --> 02:21:39.123
Yes. Thank you.

02:21:39.123 --> 02:21:43.423
I agree with what Commissioner
Guzman has articulated.

02:21:44.460 --> 02:21:49.280
And I wanted to just offer a
couple of comments or thoughts

02:21:49.280 --> 02:21:54.280
really on the notification only
process that Commissioner

02:21:54.790 --> 02:21:57.270
Guzman have just highlighted.

02:21:57.270 --> 02:21:59.470
There's two issues specifically about

02:21:59.470 --> 02:22:03.083
how this is going to be implemented.

02:22:04.360 --> 02:22:09.070
The decision has a 10
project per developer limit for,

02:22:09.070 --> 02:22:12.950
for line segment in the,

02:22:12.950 --> 02:22:15.390
the information about a
customer's blind segment

02:22:15.390 --> 02:22:17.283
is not public.

02:22:18.800 --> 02:22:23.740
It's not in the integration
capacity analysis maps.

02:22:23.740 --> 02:22:25.180
So I think in,

02:22:25.180 --> 02:22:28.713
as this is implemented
through our advicory process,

02:22:29.870 --> 02:22:34.870
we need to ensure that the
IOUs are required to disclose

02:22:35.020 --> 02:22:40.020
this information to customers
and developers upon request.

02:22:41.190 --> 02:22:45.053
This is something, this is a
limit that the IOUs requested.

02:22:46.550 --> 02:22:50.590
So we want to make sure that
the solution they've come up

02:22:50.590 --> 02:22:52.090
with is workable.

02:22:52.090 --> 02:22:56.810
So that's the first suggestion.

02:22:56.810 --> 02:23:01.710
And then the second
relates to the question about

02:23:03.647 --> 02:23:05.708
what systems are eligible for this

02:23:05.708 --> 02:23:08.720
notification only process.

02:23:08.720 --> 02:23:13.720
And the first revision allowed
is for new non-expert storage

02:23:15.040 --> 02:23:18.690
at a site with existing Nam customers,

02:23:18.690 --> 02:23:21.313
the final revision
doesn't doesn't allow this.

02:23:22.700 --> 02:23:25.822
So that's the majority of
customers already have.

02:23:25.822 --> 02:23:28.970
And then, them interconnection
agreement that allows

02:23:31.490 --> 02:23:34.273
for exports. I understand.

02:23:34.273 --> 02:23:36.930
what does the decision does

02:23:36.930 --> 02:23:39.030
and that the second
revision doesn't allow

02:23:45.676 --> 02:23:47.676
for the existing systems

02:23:48.910 --> 02:23:52.340
if they existing NEM systems.

02:23:52.340 --> 02:23:55.750
But I do want to offer a comment
about how they implemented

02:23:55.750 --> 02:23:58.980
this based on understanding
is that my staff has had with

02:23:59.830 --> 02:24:01.614
the energy division.

02:24:01.614 --> 02:24:06.614
And that is that the
existing them customers

02:24:07.800 --> 02:24:10.990
will be able to use this
notification only process

02:24:10.990 --> 02:24:14.540
to add non export storage.

02:24:14.540 --> 02:24:19.540
If they convert their existing
Nam care up to a non-expert

02:24:19.710 --> 02:24:21.310
tariff.

02:24:21.310 --> 02:24:26.050
So they should be able to
switch to a non-expert generation

02:24:26.050 --> 02:24:30.690
tariff through this
notification only process

02:24:31.968 --> 02:24:35.433
when they apply to add not export solar,

02:24:36.480 --> 02:24:41.010
I think we should give IOUs
direction to allow this switch

02:24:41.010 --> 02:24:44.040
through the notification
process only again,

02:24:44.040 --> 02:24:47.519
to ensure that the intent of
what we're trying to do here

02:24:47.519 --> 02:24:49.770
is realized.

02:24:49.770 --> 02:24:51.160
So that's, those are two comments

02:24:51.160 --> 02:24:52.770
about how to implement this in a way

02:24:52.770 --> 02:24:56.560
that furthers our intend to
have this more streamlined

02:24:56.560 --> 02:24:57.883
process really work.

02:25:03.886 --> 02:25:05.063
okay.

02:25:08.030 --> 02:25:09.710
Are there any other comments?

02:25:09.710 --> 02:25:10.543
Yeah.

02:25:12.140 --> 02:25:13.210
I have a comment.

02:25:13.210 --> 02:25:15.800
I don't know if Commissioners
would monitor this once they

02:25:18.896 --> 02:25:20.562
respond or, I'll
just say briefly that I,

02:25:20.562 --> 02:25:24.870
I share those and I think I
committed to working on those

02:25:24.870 --> 02:25:28.440
and seeing that happened
through advice letter,

02:25:28.440 --> 02:25:30.873
those clarification
and the transparency,

02:25:31.960 --> 02:25:33.053
all those line drops.

02:25:34.880 --> 02:25:37.310
Thank you very much.
And thanks for your work

02:25:38.790 --> 02:25:42.030
on the decision in item 16,

02:25:42.030 --> 02:25:46.530
we approved appointments to
the disadvantaged community

02:25:46.530 --> 02:25:48.270
advisory group.

02:25:48.270 --> 02:25:53.270
This group was established
in 2017 pursuant to SB 350

02:25:53.820 --> 02:25:58.220
to advise both us and the
California energy Commission

02:25:58.220 --> 02:26:01.750
on how to make our clean
energy programs more accessible

02:26:01.750 --> 02:26:04.200
to disadvantaged communities.

02:26:04.200 --> 02:26:07.020
And the group is comprised
of representatives of various

02:26:07.020 --> 02:26:09.460
communities and community
based organizations

02:26:09.460 --> 02:26:11.540
from around California.

02:26:11.540 --> 02:26:15.020
Very exciting. We appointed
three new members today,

02:26:15.020 --> 02:26:19.580
Jose Hernandez, Elaina
Krieger, and Curtis silvers.

02:26:19.580 --> 02:26:22.710
These candidates are
all extremely well qualified,

02:26:22.710 --> 02:26:24.610
a lot of relevant experience.

02:26:24.610 --> 02:26:27.100
I was happy to say we
had a very very large group

02:26:27.100 --> 02:26:30.240
of very talented and very well qualified

02:26:30.240 --> 02:26:33.400
applicants VYing for these positions.

02:26:33.400 --> 02:26:35.970
These new appointees
bring diverse perspectives

02:26:35.970 --> 02:26:38.226
from a variety of communities.

02:26:38.226 --> 02:26:39.960
Again, very well-qualified

02:26:39.960 --> 02:26:42.220
and we look forward to continuing to

02:26:42.220 --> 02:26:45.410
work with the disadvantaged
community, the advisory group,

02:26:45.410 --> 02:26:49.390
and benefiting from their input
and the new members input on

02:26:49.390 --> 02:26:51.813
our programs and initiatives. Thank you.

02:26:53.460 --> 02:26:54.400
Great.

02:26:54.400 --> 02:26:55.300
Thank you, Commissioner Rechtschaffen

02:26:55.300 --> 02:26:57.473
and Commissioner Guzman Aceves.

02:26:58.666 --> 02:27:02.103
We will now move into
the regular agenda items.

02:27:04.170 --> 02:27:08.950
The first agenda item is item 24

02:27:10.069 --> 02:27:12.483
and I will be introducing it.

02:27:13.580 --> 02:27:16.730
This proposed decision
makes important reforms

02:27:16.730 --> 02:27:20.887
to the electric rule 20,
which enables cities,

02:27:20.887 --> 02:27:24.637
unincorporated counties and
private applicants to request

02:27:24.637 --> 02:27:25.470
unincorporated counties and
private applicants to request

02:27:29.287 --> 02:27:30.890
that their electric utility
underground overhead our lines

02:27:30.890 --> 02:27:34.362
The rule 20 program is
divided into four sub programs

02:27:34.362 --> 02:27:38.610
that provide very low levels
of rate pair contributions

02:27:38.610 --> 02:27:39.513
to the project.

02:27:40.424 --> 02:27:41.257
project.

02:27:45.179 --> 02:27:48.990
The proposed decision
largely focuses on this.

02:27:48.990 --> 02:27:53.523
I should say this proposed
decision largely focuses on the

02:27:53.523 --> 02:27:56.630
rule 28 sub program it's allows
undergrounding projects that

02:27:56.630 --> 02:28:00.360
percent rate payer funded
for the current rule 20 A

02:28:00.360 --> 02:28:05.150
public interest criteria
are focused on aesthetics.

02:28:05.150 --> 02:28:08.340
We initiated this rulemaking in May,

02:28:08.340 --> 02:28:11.660
and I dare say you all,

02:28:11.660 --> 02:28:15.308
some of you all initiated
this rulemaking in May, 2017

02:28:15.308 --> 02:28:19.836
to address longstanding
issues with the rule 20 program,

02:28:19.836 --> 02:28:22.620
address longstanding issues
with the rule 20 program,

02:28:22.620 --> 02:28:24.358
particularly rule 28.

02:28:24.358 --> 02:28:29.050
knees rule 28 program,

02:28:29.050 --> 02:28:33.228
and a staff proposal issued
in this proceeding in February

02:28:33.228 --> 02:28:35.450
and a staff proposal issued
in this proceeding in February

02:28:35.450 --> 02:28:40.390
the PG&E audit report
detailed how PG&E had not

02:28:40.390 --> 02:28:44.520
prudently managed its rule 28 program,

02:28:44.520 --> 02:28:47.816
and the fraud risks raised

02:28:47.816 --> 02:28:51.258
by its poor document
retention processes.

02:28:51.258 --> 02:28:52.091
processes.

02:28:55.323 --> 02:29:00.100
The audit report also
asserted the PG&E systematic

02:29:00.100 --> 02:29:02.013
which increased project costs.

02:29:05.060 --> 02:29:09.323
The staff proposal for the
illuminates ongoing issues with

02:29:09.323 --> 02:29:13.773
the staff proposal for the
illuminates ongoing issues with

02:29:13.773 --> 02:29:18.190
rural 28, including a large
balance of unused fronts.

02:29:19.286 --> 02:29:21.836
Over 1.5, 6 billion with a B Statewide.

02:29:21.836 --> 02:29:23.586
It is also described,

02:29:26.886 --> 02:29:31.886
it also describes the unequal
use of 20 rule 28 funds as

02:29:31.910 --> 02:29:35.010
projects worth hundreds
of millions of dollars

02:29:35.010 --> 02:29:37.398
paid for by the rate payers.

02:29:37.398 --> 02:29:38.748
the rate payers.

02:29:38.748 --> 02:29:40.248
On the other hand,

02:29:43.498 --> 02:29:44.415
since 2005.

02:29:45.810 --> 02:29:49.480
To improve transparency
of the rule 20 programs,

02:29:49.480 --> 02:29:53.255
this proposed decision
requires that the utilities develop

02:29:53.255 --> 02:29:56.233
This proposed decision
requires that the utilities develop

02:29:56.233 --> 02:29:58.816
consistent rule 20 guide books,

02:30:01.805 --> 02:30:02.638
that detail program rules and
processes establish one way

02:30:06.205 --> 02:30:07.038
balancing accounts and annually
submit detailed program data

02:30:08.867 --> 02:30:09.867
to the CPUC.

02:30:14.004 --> 02:30:14.950
This PD also makes modest
changes to rule 28 public interest

02:30:18.104 --> 02:30:18.937
criteria that the first
consideration of more extensive

02:30:22.520 --> 02:30:23.840
More importantly,

02:30:23.840 --> 02:30:28.050
this PD discontinues
approval of new work credits

02:30:28.050 --> 02:30:33.050
for the rule 28 program after
December 31st, 2000, I mean,

02:30:33.947 --> 02:30:35.998
rule 28 program after
December 31st, 2000, I mean,

02:30:35.998 --> 02:30:37.331
excuse me, 2022.

02:30:38.892 --> 02:30:39.725
It is abundantly clear that
the work credit system lacks

02:30:42.678 --> 02:30:45.734
So our first step is to
halt further allocation

02:30:45.734 --> 02:30:49.063
of the right payer funds.

02:30:50.249 --> 02:30:53.119
We do not however, since that rule 28,

02:30:53.119 --> 02:30:56.369
We do not. However, since that rule 28,

02:30:57.243 --> 02:31:01.551
as there is no end date for
using existing work credits,

02:31:01.551 --> 02:31:05.662
we know that many communities
are concerned about stranded

02:31:05.662 --> 02:31:08.902
rule 28 projects addressing
active projects will be a

02:31:08.902 --> 02:31:09.735
priority in phase two of the ruling.

02:31:09.735 --> 02:31:10.735
In addition,

02:31:13.418 --> 02:31:14.251
this proposed decision does
not modify to existing pathways

02:31:15.610 --> 02:31:19.760
First local governments
may contribute funds

02:31:19.760 --> 02:31:22.848
to their rule 28 projects.

02:31:22.848 --> 02:31:23.848
28 projects.

02:31:27.222 --> 02:31:28.055
Second electric utilities can
continue to reallocate unused

02:31:30.809 --> 02:31:34.009
work credits to active rule
28 projects in accordance with

02:31:34.009 --> 02:31:37.130
In summary,

02:31:37.130 --> 02:31:40.630
this proposed decision makes
important for steps to fix the

02:31:40.630 --> 02:31:43.360
rule 28 sub program.

02:31:43.360 --> 02:31:46.480
In phase two, we will
address the rule 28 projects,

02:31:46.480 --> 02:31:49.300
eligibility criteria more broadly,

02:31:49.300 --> 02:31:53.880
and examine how we can
modify rule 28 to support projects

02:31:53.880 --> 02:31:57.670
located in underserved communities.

02:31:57.670 --> 02:31:59.690
To complete phase two,

02:31:59.690 --> 02:32:02.810
this decision extends a
statutory deadline for this

02:32:02.810 --> 02:32:06.073
proceeding by 12 months
from today, with that,

02:32:06.073 --> 02:32:08.530
I would like to thank
administrative law,

02:32:08.530 --> 02:32:12.210
judge Stephanie Wang
and the energy division staff,

02:32:12.210 --> 02:32:17.110
Molly circle, putz
Petland, and former ed err,

02:32:17.110 --> 02:32:20.980
and Tim for their hard work
on this complex proceeding.

02:32:20.980 --> 02:32:24.860
I would also like to thank
my adviser, Nora Hopkins,

02:32:24.860 --> 02:32:27.930
and my former advisor, Dave Beck.

02:32:27.930 --> 02:32:32.563
I asked myself Commissioners
for your support on item 24,

02:32:34.574 --> 02:32:36.324
Is there any comments or questions?

02:32:39.030 --> 02:32:40.280
Okay.

02:32:40.280 --> 02:32:44.869
Oh yes. There is a
Commissioner Houck briefly.

02:32:44.869 --> 02:32:48.440
Thank you for your leadership
on this President Batjer

02:32:48.440 --> 02:32:52.700
and for judge Wong for all of
her work and energy division.

02:32:52.700 --> 02:32:55.380
I appreciate the revisions
that were made in the decision

02:32:55.380 --> 02:32:58.010
that clarify that there will
still be a funding pathway

02:32:58.010 --> 02:32:59.640
for existing projects.

02:32:59.640 --> 02:33:03.010
And I look forward to following
phase two's consideration

02:33:03.010 --> 02:33:04.890
of the alternative funding mechanisms

02:33:04.890 --> 02:33:07.030
to the current work process

02:33:07.030 --> 02:33:09.990
and expanding the
underground program criteria

02:33:09.990 --> 02:33:11.880
to possibly include wildfire safety.

02:33:11.880 --> 02:33:14.750
So thank you for your work
and I will be supporting this.

02:33:14.750 --> 02:33:16.500
Thank you very
much Commissioner.

02:33:17.410 --> 02:33:19.473
Did you have your hand up Martha?

02:33:21.520 --> 02:33:23.907
No, but I, I would
just echo that.

02:33:23.907 --> 02:33:26.750
I'm more excited about
the next phase here,

02:33:26.750 --> 02:33:30.510
and I know we did have at
least one public comments

02:33:30.510 --> 02:33:35.510
or reference San Diego
gas and electric rule 20 D

02:33:35.600 --> 02:33:38.370
and particularly as
Commissioner health said in

02:33:38.370 --> 02:33:41.490
relation to these high hazard areas.

02:33:41.490 --> 02:33:45.110
So I think it's really
exciting to finally get

02:33:45.110 --> 02:33:47.700
to focus on that issue.

02:33:47.700 --> 02:33:49.560
Yeah. Yep, absolutely.

02:33:49.560 --> 02:33:50.393
I agree.

02:33:51.702 --> 02:33:55.830
This was in great
need of reform, so okay.

02:33:55.830 --> 02:33:58.670
With that say no more questions.

02:33:58.670 --> 02:34:03.163
We'll the agenda court,
please call the roll for item 24.

02:34:04.390 --> 02:34:06.883
Commissioner Houck.
Yes.

02:34:08.230 --> 02:34:10.480
Commissioner Shiroma
Aye

02:34:11.850 --> 02:34:13.953
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
Yes.

02:34:15.310 --> 02:34:16.320
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.

02:34:16.320 --> 02:34:18.173
Aye.

02:34:19.110 --> 02:34:22.200
President Batjer.
Yes.

02:34:22.200 --> 02:34:24.870
Item 24 passes unanimously.

02:34:24.870 --> 02:34:28.110
Moving on now to item 25,

02:34:28.110 --> 02:34:30.663
I will also be introducing this item.

02:34:30.663 --> 02:34:35.663
This proposed and
decision finds that PG& E and

02:34:35.962 --> 02:34:39.180
SCE and SDGNA failed to comply

02:34:39.180 --> 02:34:40.910
with numerous Commission guidelines

02:34:40.910 --> 02:34:45.480
and rules in their execution of the 2019

02:34:45.480 --> 02:34:48.090
public safety power shutoff PSP.

02:34:48.090 --> 02:34:49.740
Yes events.

02:34:49.740 --> 02:34:54.050
We initiated this investigation
in November of 2019

02:34:54.050 --> 02:34:59.050
to examine the utility's
poor execution PSPS events

02:34:59.910 --> 02:35:01.670
of that fall.

02:35:01.670 --> 02:35:03.060
As part of the investigation,

02:35:03.060 --> 02:35:07.150
we directed the CQC safety
and enforcement division

02:35:07.150 --> 02:35:11.950
to evaluate utilities
actions prior to, during

02:35:11.950 --> 02:35:16.170
and after the 2019 PSPS events.

02:35:16.170 --> 02:35:20.111
Today's proposed decision
is built upon the findings from

02:35:20.111 --> 02:35:25.030
and parties comments on that evaluation.

02:35:25.030 --> 02:35:28.010
I want to emphasize that this
proceeding and the proposed

02:35:28.010 --> 02:35:33.010
decision is only focused
on utilities 2019 PSDS.

02:35:34.500 --> 02:35:39.320
It does not cover any of
the 2020 PSPS events.

02:35:39.320 --> 02:35:40.900
In terms of outcomes,

02:35:40.900 --> 02:35:43.820
this proposed decision
adopts a number of important

02:35:43.820 --> 02:35:47.630
corrective actions that will
compel the utilities to improve

02:35:47.630 --> 02:35:50.960
their implementation of PSPS events

02:35:50.960 --> 02:35:53.340
and increase our transparency

02:35:53.340 --> 02:35:56.480
and do utility PSPS performance.

02:35:56.480 --> 02:35:59.860
This includes requiring the utilities

02:36:01.115 --> 02:36:04.540
to file annual PSPS reports,

02:36:04.540 --> 02:36:08.660
share PSPS best practices and support

02:36:08.660 --> 02:36:11.480
our safety and enforcement division

02:36:11.480 --> 02:36:14.970
in developing a standardized template.

02:36:14.970 --> 02:36:19.970
The utilities 10 days
post event PSPS reports.

02:36:20.480 --> 02:36:23.060
In addition to these
important corrective actions,

02:36:23.060 --> 02:36:28.060
if PD adopt a rate making
remedy to create ongoing

02:36:28.390 --> 02:36:31.700
incentives for utilities
to improve their conduct

02:36:31.700 --> 02:36:35.830
leading up to initiating
future PSPS events.

02:36:35.830 --> 02:36:36.930
Under this new rate,

02:36:36.930 --> 02:36:40.880
making remedy do utilities
will be barred from recovering

02:36:40.880 --> 02:36:42.320
from customers,

02:36:42.320 --> 02:36:46.730
any money for electricity
that the utility doesn't provide

02:36:46.730 --> 02:36:49.713
when they shut off
their customers power.

02:36:51.360 --> 02:36:54.480
Since the 2019 PSPS events,

02:36:54.480 --> 02:36:58.560
we have taken numerous
actions on a number of fronts

02:36:58.560 --> 02:36:59.710
to drive the utilities,

02:36:59.710 --> 02:37:04.310
to continue to reduce the
scope and the duration of PSPS

02:37:04.310 --> 02:37:07.370
events and prioritize customer safety

02:37:08.540 --> 02:37:11.370
directly coming out of the 2019 events

02:37:11.370 --> 02:37:15.300
where he required PG&E
to implement a series of,

02:37:15.300 --> 02:37:20.300
to press efficiencies in
it's 2019 PSPS events

02:37:20.950 --> 02:37:25.750
and mate with our leadership
weekly throughout 2020

02:37:25.750 --> 02:37:27.523
to report on their progress.

02:37:28.390 --> 02:37:29.820
In May, 2020,

02:37:29.820 --> 02:37:34.820
we adopted the phase two
PSPS guidelines that refined

02:37:35.780 --> 02:37:38.440
and improve the existing PSPS guidelines

02:37:38.440 --> 02:37:42.470
in advance of the 2020 wildfire season.

02:37:42.470 --> 02:37:47.210
And also in the PSPS
events of fall 2020.

02:37:47.210 --> 02:37:50.410
We held public meetings
for the utilities to report on

02:37:50.410 --> 02:37:55.180
lessons learned and to hear
from the impacted communities

02:37:55.180 --> 02:37:58.063
and access and functional
needs communities.

02:37:59.270 --> 02:38:04.240
We also specifically required
FCE Edison to implement

02:38:04.240 --> 02:38:08.799
a series of actions to
correct deficiency in its PSPS

02:38:08.799 --> 02:38:13.380
execution of that year 2020.

02:38:13.380 --> 02:38:16.020
I also want to highlight ongoing actions

02:38:16.020 --> 02:38:20.370
we are taking to continue to
improve PSPS performance

02:38:20.370 --> 02:38:25.210
and hold utilities accountable
for poor performance.

02:38:25.210 --> 02:38:27.550
First, less than two weeks ago,

02:38:27.550 --> 02:38:30.980
I issued a proposed decision
with additional improvements

02:38:30.980 --> 02:38:34.350
to PSPS guidelines
based on lessons learned

02:38:34.350 --> 02:38:39.350
from the last wildfire season
to be placed, to excuse me,

02:38:39.740 --> 02:38:44.393
to be in place prior to
the 2021 wildfire season.

02:38:46.039 --> 02:38:49.490
Second, a presiding
officer's decision just issued

02:38:51.689 --> 02:38:55.290
in the order to show cause
on the PG&E October,

02:38:55.290 --> 02:38:58.564
November, 2019 PSPS events.

02:38:58.564 --> 02:39:02.950
The presiding officer's
decision would impose penalties

02:39:02.950 --> 02:39:06.750
on the PG on PGD for its
flawed and implementation

02:39:06.750 --> 02:39:10.380
of its 2019 PSPS events.

02:39:10.380 --> 02:39:11.430
With that,

02:39:11.430 --> 02:39:14.810
I would like to thank the
wonderful Administrative Law Judge

02:39:14.810 --> 02:39:18.240
who works so diligently
on these proceedings,

02:39:18.240 --> 02:39:19.837
Regina DeAngelis.

02:39:22.360 --> 02:39:26.500
These were extensive
and long proceedings.

02:39:26.500 --> 02:39:31.490
I also want to thank Shelby
chased to Nishan and Tony Knoll

02:39:31.490 --> 02:39:33.910
in the safety and enforcement division.

02:39:33.910 --> 02:39:38.040
Julia Endy, David says
more and Franz Shin

02:39:38.040 --> 02:39:39.690
in the energy division,

02:39:39.690 --> 02:39:43.570
Matt Vitch in legal and Marianne Davina,

02:39:43.570 --> 02:39:48.460
Becky Fon, Julie Lang
Gabby Rez in our ALJ unit

02:39:49.550 --> 02:39:51.000
for their support as well.

02:39:51.000 --> 02:39:55.527
I want to also thank my
Begley teen partner on this

02:39:56.390 --> 02:40:00.733
proceeding and his
steadfast help always to me,

02:40:02.950 --> 02:40:06.690
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
and his wonderful chief of staff,

02:40:06.690 --> 02:40:11.410
John Simon for their
collaboration and great insights.

02:40:11.410 --> 02:40:15.410
And finally, I would
like to thank my advisor,

02:40:15.410 --> 02:40:17.900
Nora Hopkins for all of her,

02:40:17.900 --> 02:40:22.900
very hard work on this
proceeding and my former advisor,

02:40:23.080 --> 02:40:24.170
Dave Peck.

02:40:24.170 --> 02:40:28.610
And of course the magnificent
chief of staff that I have

02:40:28.610 --> 02:40:33.180
Shannon Erog for her
incredible and incomparable work.

02:40:33.180 --> 02:40:37.833
I asked my fellow
Commissioners to support item 25.

02:40:39.558 --> 02:40:41.308
Are there any questions or thoughts

02:40:44.758 --> 02:40:46.758
Commissioner Rechtschaffen

02:40:47.700 --> 02:40:49.390
I don't know what the better

02:40:49.390 --> 02:40:51.780
you have a magnificent chief of staff

02:40:51.780 --> 02:40:53.870
and I have a wonderful chief of staff,

02:40:53.870 --> 02:40:56.930
and I agree with you a
hundred percent on both of them.

02:40:56.930 --> 02:41:01.930
And I do think those compliments
are earned and they worked

02:41:02.270 --> 02:41:05.040
very hard on this decision
as well as so many others.

02:41:05.040 --> 02:41:08.210
So I endorse everything
you just said about

02:41:09.252 --> 02:41:11.028
President Batjer.

02:41:11.028 --> 02:41:13.380
I want to just comment very briefly.

02:41:13.380 --> 02:41:18.270
This obviously remains an
extremely challenging pressing

02:41:18.270 --> 02:41:23.270
issue for us as we enter
another tough season of

02:41:24.290 --> 02:41:26.963
wildfire possibilities
made worse by the drought.

02:41:27.940 --> 02:41:32.680
The risk of PSPS adds to
the overall risk from wildfire

02:41:32.680 --> 02:41:37.243
outages and the hardship
that so many residents face.

02:41:38.150 --> 02:41:42.110
As President Batjer
outlined this decision

02:41:42.110 --> 02:41:47.020
and the review is part of one
part of many, many efforts,

02:41:47.020 --> 02:41:52.020
extensive iterative efforts
that we've been pursuing to

02:41:53.150 --> 02:41:57.290
develop the best possible
guidelines for safely executing

02:41:57.290 --> 02:42:01.630
PSPS events for holding
the utilities accountable for

02:42:01.630 --> 02:42:06.130
meeting those guidelines
for meeting with the public and

02:42:06.130 --> 02:42:11.130
otherwise minimizing the use
of PSPS is the decision from

02:42:11.747 --> 02:42:13.430
the PSPS is,

02:42:13.430 --> 02:42:18.430
are available to the IOUs as
a last resort needed to avoid

02:42:18.980 --> 02:42:23.980
catastrophic wildfires, but
it is part of the over the very,

02:42:24.060 --> 02:42:26.340
very important oversight that

02:42:26.340 --> 02:42:31.340
we're exercising over how
utilities carry out these events.

02:42:32.250 --> 02:42:36.290
I want to particularly acknowledge
the strong collaboration

02:42:36.290 --> 02:42:40.675
with our sister agencies,
Cal fire and Calloway.

02:42:40.675 --> 02:42:43.160
Yes, that's been orchestrated
by President Batjer.

02:42:43.160 --> 02:42:46.590
We also relied on an
extensive public process

02:42:46.590 --> 02:42:51.590
to bring more transparency
and accountability to this issue.

02:42:52.530 --> 02:42:54.423
As President Batjer mentioned,

02:42:55.410 --> 02:42:57.880
the decision makes
important improvements

02:42:57.880 --> 02:42:59.940
to reporting requirements.

02:42:59.940 --> 02:43:02.400
We want to make sure the
information is more accessible

02:43:02.400 --> 02:43:05.620
and useful for
stakeholders, policymakers

02:43:05.620 --> 02:43:10.620
and utilities is also
create a very important

02:43:10.985 --> 02:43:15.985
financial disincentive for
calling PSPS is so that utilities

02:43:16.710 --> 02:43:19.920
minimize the scope and
duration of these events.

02:43:19.920 --> 02:43:23.860
This rate making treatment
is quite appropriate.

02:43:23.860 --> 02:43:26.600
It's critical that the utilities
never lose sight of the

02:43:26.600 --> 02:43:31.600
impacts of these events on
customers and communities.

02:43:31.710 --> 02:43:34.870
I want to echo President
Batjer's thanks to everyone who

02:43:34.870 --> 02:43:38.520
worked on this, particularly
judge the Angeles in the very,

02:43:38.520 --> 02:43:43.120
very dedicated
multi-disciplinary staff team,

02:43:43.120 --> 02:43:46.530
a special appreciation to the
STD staff that prepared the

02:43:46.530 --> 02:43:50.527
report that informed this
decision and to President Batjer

02:43:50.527 --> 02:43:54.979
and all our advisors or
chief of staff, Shannon,

02:43:54.979 --> 02:43:58.060
a rock Rourke Nor Houckins saints tech.

02:43:58.060 --> 02:44:00.550
They really have a very,
very deep commitment

02:44:01.465 --> 02:44:03.660
to this issue that shows with this

02:44:04.665 --> 02:44:06.250
and many, many other
decisions that grapple

02:44:06.250 --> 02:44:09.450
with an extremely
difficult set of issues.

02:44:09.450 --> 02:44:12.950
And also my wonderful
chief of staff, Shawn Simon,

02:44:12.950 --> 02:44:15.040
who helped me a great deaL

02:44:15.040 --> 02:44:16.830
and everyone on this decision.

02:44:16.830 --> 02:44:19.213
With that, I'll be
supporting the decision.

02:44:20.660 --> 02:44:23.932
Thank you so much
for those comments.

02:44:23.932 --> 02:44:28.932
And thank you for also
recognizing with enthusiasm,

02:44:29.340 --> 02:44:30.683
the SCV staff.

02:44:32.550 --> 02:44:37.223
So any other questions or
thoughts or comments on items 25?

02:44:38.250 --> 02:44:40.496
Okay. Seeing none then
we'll the agenda clerk.

02:44:40.496 --> 02:44:43.575
Please call the roll.

02:44:43.575 --> 02:44:45.435
Well, it looks like
Commissioner Shiroma

02:44:45.435 --> 02:44:46.768
Oh, I'm sorry.

02:44:49.822 --> 02:44:51.660
I'm supporting
this, so it's okay.

02:44:51.660 --> 02:44:53.493
Let's go for the next.

02:44:55.447 --> 02:44:56.947
Okay. Thank you.

02:44:57.921 --> 02:45:00.873
The agenda clerk, please
call the roll on item 25.

02:45:02.160 --> 02:45:04.630
Commissioner Houck.
Yes

02:45:05.924 --> 02:45:09.435
Commissioner Shiroma
Aye.

02:45:09.435 --> 02:45:12.567
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
Yes.

02:45:12.567 --> 02:45:14.317
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.

02:45:16.480 --> 02:45:19.160
President Batjer
Yes.

02:45:19.160 --> 02:45:23.050
Item 25 passes
unanimously. Thank you all.

02:45:23.050 --> 02:45:26.140
Now, moving on to item
26, which is assigned to it,

02:45:26.140 --> 02:45:27.543
Commissioner Shiroma.

02:45:30.260 --> 02:45:33.930
Yes. Thank you.
President Batjer.

02:45:33.930 --> 02:45:38.020
26 is a proposed decision that

02:45:38.020 --> 02:45:43.020
transformed three main
California, low income programs.

02:45:43.550 --> 02:45:47.780
This is the hardship of income
qualified Californias and the

02:45:47.780 --> 02:45:51.930
communities with the greatest
need to lower their energy

02:45:51.930 --> 02:45:55.310
bills come back climate
change and to have health,

02:45:55.310 --> 02:45:56.643
comfort and safety.

02:45:58.790 --> 02:46:03.279
What I understand the
first time in history that,

02:46:03.279 --> 02:46:08.279
this proceeding and this
PD examines all aspects of

02:46:09.350 --> 02:46:14.160
administrating the three
Mulligan programs across all four

02:46:14.160 --> 02:46:18.980
investor owned utilities
to address equity issues,

02:46:18.980 --> 02:46:20.660
to reduce barriers to participation

02:46:20.660 --> 02:46:23.090
and deliver deeper energy savings,

02:46:23.090 --> 02:46:26.550
especially equity issues is key.

02:46:26.550 --> 02:46:29.433
So the PD is over 500 pages pages.

02:46:32.960 --> 02:46:36.170
It authorizes the
large investor on utility,

02:46:36.170 --> 02:46:41.170
a total of $11 billion through
2020 fifth to administer

02:46:43.340 --> 02:46:48.340
a California alternate rates
for energy share the family

02:46:49.190 --> 02:46:53.010
electric rate assistance for
shell and the energy savings

02:46:53.010 --> 02:46:56.750
assistance program ISA.

02:46:56.750 --> 02:47:00.580
This TV also introduces
program design changes to

02:47:00.580 --> 02:47:04.460
alleviate administrative
burden with program enrollments

02:47:04.460 --> 02:47:06.860
and advances the objectives

02:47:06.860 --> 02:47:10.460
from the California public
utility Commission, environmental

02:47:10.460 --> 02:47:12.683
and social justice action plan.

02:47:13.570 --> 02:47:15.320
Starting with care,

02:47:15.320 --> 02:47:19.700
the state senior assistance
program I'll briefly highlight

02:47:19.700 --> 02:47:24.700
the modifications and trends
adopted the post-production to

02:47:25.923 --> 02:47:27.710
this proposed decision.

02:47:27.710 --> 02:47:31.613
So established in 1989
here in a low-income as a rate

02:47:31.613 --> 02:47:36.613
assistance program that my
income qualified customers

02:47:37.030 --> 02:47:40.740
with a 20% discount on their gas bills,

02:47:40.740 --> 02:47:44.560
30% discount on their electric
bills from the large investor

02:47:44.560 --> 02:47:49.560
on the PD authorizes a
total 8.5 billion three I'll

02:47:52.323 --> 02:47:57.323
use and maintain care annual
goal of at least 90% of all

02:47:57.890 --> 02:48:02.890
eligible customers for
the 2021 to 2025 cycles.

02:48:03.180 --> 02:48:06.840
The total eligible care
population in California is

02:48:06.840 --> 02:48:11.780
calculated in annually on
independent economic assaulted

02:48:11.780 --> 02:48:16.780
IOU forecast more than
4.5 million income qualify

02:48:16.810 --> 02:48:21.710
customers enrolled in care
annually from 2021 to 2026.

02:48:23.180 --> 02:48:26.290
To decrease various participation,

02:48:26.290 --> 02:48:29.170
the PD for the direct CIU simplify.

02:48:29.170 --> 02:48:32.307
Did you have occasion of
verification rules for income

02:48:32.307 --> 02:48:36.380
qualified customers who
have payer energy burdens

02:48:36.380 --> 02:48:37.939
and economic hardships

02:48:37.939 --> 02:48:42.460
and are likely to have
frequent changes in income

02:48:43.330 --> 02:48:45.510
To reach program enrollment goals,

02:48:45.510 --> 02:48:49.310
the PD directs the IOUs to
implement cheered marketing

02:48:49.310 --> 02:48:53.150
outreach strategies, targeting
disadvantaged communities,

02:48:53.150 --> 02:48:55.680
rural community and tribal community,

02:48:55.680 --> 02:48:58.850
and spend partnerships
with the community

02:48:58.850 --> 02:49:01.373
and faith based organizations.

02:49:02.416 --> 02:49:06.050
The PDA increasing demand
first met rate paid to community

02:49:06.050 --> 02:49:10.113
organizations and care partners
assisting within moments for

02:49:10.113 --> 02:49:14.780
them that form of $20 use
for the past five years to up to

02:49:15.807 --> 02:49:20.522
$30 per enrollment now to
Sarah, Sarah and her family,

02:49:20.522 --> 02:49:21.753
and like a great assistance.

02:49:23.357 --> 02:49:26.430
Vera was established in
2004, some of the care,

02:49:26.430 --> 02:49:28.860
and that is a Louis Angie, right?

02:49:28.860 --> 02:49:29.963
This is for them,

02:49:31.090 --> 02:49:35.240
but here I provide up to 18%
discount for electric bills for

02:49:35.240 --> 02:49:39.820
low income households
that don't qualify for care.

02:49:39.820 --> 02:49:43.090
This is a program offered
by the electricity providers

02:49:43.930 --> 02:49:45.470
During the pandemic

02:49:45.470 --> 02:49:50.470
the enrollment averages has
the average about 27% up to the

02:49:51.267 --> 02:49:56.267
pre pandemic levels ranging
from 10 to 20% enrollment.

02:49:58.980 --> 02:50:00.410
The PD authorizes 394 million.

02:50:00.410 --> 02:50:03.870
It's only two I'll use 2021,

02:50:03.870 --> 02:50:08.870
2026 cycles establishes
is 50% and won't go 23.

02:50:11.220 --> 02:50:15.597
And it's 70% goal by 2026 for the IOUs.

02:50:16.550 --> 02:50:19.580
By 2023, we are happy.

02:50:19.580 --> 02:50:24.580
I doubled their Britain
moments doubled again,

02:50:24.690 --> 02:50:29.690
a pandemic we saw about
27% enrollment of those qualified

02:50:31.970 --> 02:50:36.970
overall there as an estimate
of 300 topics customers

02:50:37.010 --> 02:50:41.020
Statewide qualified to
set up a fair program,

02:50:41.020 --> 02:50:44.220
also quizzed the killers,
marketing and outreach programs,

02:50:44.220 --> 02:50:48.050
respect and goals,
as for marking pilots,

02:50:48.050 --> 02:50:50.880
understand barriers to participation.

02:50:50.880 --> 02:50:53.410
We also aligned changes to enrollment,

02:50:53.410 --> 02:50:56.527
eligibility and verification
rules with what would you mean

02:50:56.527 --> 02:50:57.810
for care

02:50:57.810 --> 02:51:01.106
and added a similar program
to reimburse community based

02:51:01.106 --> 02:51:02.440
organizations,

02:51:02.440 --> 02:51:06.883
assistant muster enrollment
for up to $3 per enrollment.

02:51:08.900 --> 02:51:12.900
Now on the ether and it just
savings assistance at no cost

02:51:12.900 --> 02:51:16.800
to customers who
received Easter treatments,

02:51:16.800 --> 02:51:19.170
either provides weatherization services,

02:51:19.170 --> 02:51:22.750
energy efficiency measures,
and energy education to income,

02:51:22.750 --> 02:51:26.362
qualified households,
those decisions, a lot of rise,

02:51:26.362 --> 02:51:30.090
2.2 billion in funding,

02:51:30.090 --> 02:51:34.420
new measures and new annual
home treatment set of goals.

02:51:34.420 --> 02:51:39.120
I don't lose the poetry over
1 million homes by the end of

02:51:39.120 --> 02:51:43.130
2026 to achieve deeper savings,

02:51:43.130 --> 02:51:48.130
the tedious task over the
requires issue to be coordinated

02:51:48.780 --> 02:51:50.580
across multiple things.

02:51:50.580 --> 02:51:54.490
As you progress and shift
the focus at ISA towards a

02:51:54.490 --> 02:51:58.140
customer centered prioritization model,

02:51:58.140 --> 02:52:02.034
treat households based on
need and customer profile,

02:52:02.034 --> 02:52:02.910
introduce us to

02:52:04.288 --> 02:52:09.288
her savings and treating
homes located in wildfire.

02:52:09.530 --> 02:52:12.380
So for California's ambitious,

02:52:12.380 --> 02:52:15.750
greenhouse gas should actually
provide measurable benefits

02:52:15.750 --> 02:52:20.750
to the customers that PD
provides or proposes choose new

02:52:21.620 --> 02:52:25.260
building onto vacation
pilots and new multifamily,

02:52:25.260 --> 02:52:29.123
whole building programs delivered,

02:52:30.347 --> 02:52:35.120
and also really committed
as location PD extends M C E

02:52:36.060 --> 02:52:41.060
multifamily buildings
pilot until is rolled out

02:52:42.304 --> 02:52:44.800
anticipated in 2024.

02:52:46.400 --> 02:52:50.640
The PT approved the ILU
supposedly provide workforce

02:52:50.640 --> 02:52:54.150
education and training
opportunities and just hire people

02:52:54.150 --> 02:52:56.933
living in disadvantaged communities.

02:52:56.933 --> 02:53:00.610
The PDs further direct the
IMU to coordinate with other job

02:53:00.610 --> 02:53:04.250
training programs and community
colleges to implement new

02:53:04.250 --> 02:53:07.113
reporting metrics, to
track performance areas.

02:53:08.146 --> 02:53:10.505
It also requires the IMU sure,

02:53:10.505 --> 02:53:14.230
additional workforce development
opportunities hiring within

02:53:14.230 --> 02:53:15.770
local communities. Again,

02:53:15.770 --> 02:53:19.360
the disadvantage to me
via the partnership with the

02:53:19.360 --> 02:53:22.621
California workforce
development for energy and climate

02:53:22.621 --> 02:53:25.780
change, chronic jobs initiative,

02:53:25.780 --> 02:53:27.493
and also the community colleges.

02:53:28.810 --> 02:53:31.040
Similar to care and Vera,

02:53:31.040 --> 02:53:35.750
he also directs the material
marketing and outreach efforts,

02:53:35.750 --> 02:53:39.210
retreat research targets,
disadvantaged communities,

02:53:39.210 --> 02:53:43.280
tribal communities, and
cooperate with local state,

02:53:43.280 --> 02:53:44.490
federal agencies,

02:53:44.490 --> 02:53:49.490
water and communications
agencies and other programs.

02:53:49.770 --> 02:53:54.240
Overall, these programs
will continue to direct benefits.

02:53:54.240 --> 02:53:57.930
Did you directly benefit into
by customers by reducing their

02:53:57.930 --> 02:54:02.690
energy bills and increasing
the comfort and safety of home,

02:54:02.690 --> 02:54:07.283
and also in that fashion
contribute to research advocacy and

02:54:07.283 --> 02:54:09.358
a lower carbon footprint.

02:54:09.358 --> 02:54:11.490
So in closing, I want to thank the Lord,

02:54:11.490 --> 02:54:14.640
my oversight board for
keen participation and

02:54:14.640 --> 02:54:16.890
recommendations to improve the program.

02:54:16.890 --> 02:54:21.890
We heard some chair this
morning in public comment session.

02:54:25.690 --> 02:54:30.690
he mentioned two things.

02:54:30.970 --> 02:54:31.920
First of all,

02:54:31.920 --> 02:54:36.920
let me just say that the Lowe's
oversight board a big thanks

02:54:38.750 --> 02:54:43.750
because they did a panel
on tribal consultation.

02:54:45.180 --> 02:54:50.180
And I think that really helped
inform the revisions that we

02:54:50.280 --> 02:54:54.620
made to our tribal
land traffic, healthy,

02:54:54.620 --> 02:54:56.373
the consultation requirements,

02:54:57.270 --> 02:54:59.560
and that that was very important.

02:54:59.560 --> 02:55:02.760
Also they follow on with a letter that

02:55:02.760 --> 02:55:05.833
referred to, and for the first time,

02:55:08.783 --> 02:55:10.920
our issue that letter as a ruling,

02:55:10.920 --> 02:55:13.750
going to comment from parties,

02:55:13.750 --> 02:55:16.280
I to have the investor on utilities,

02:55:16.280 --> 02:55:21.193
advocates to that
letter and out of that,

02:55:23.863 --> 02:55:28.863
but he did talk about how
the ISA working groups should

02:55:28.910 --> 02:55:32.010
include the low income
oversight boards. In fact,

02:55:32.010 --> 02:55:35.170
in his decision wheeling,

02:55:35.170 --> 02:55:38.070
we've added 70 to 70
nations representatives from

02:55:38.070 --> 02:55:43.070
contractors, CDOs, hella
advocates and consumer protection.

02:55:44.260 --> 02:55:49.030
And we have LA members
who are qualified for those.

02:55:49.030 --> 02:55:53.770
But beyond that, we actually also say,

02:55:53.770 --> 02:55:58.540
and are number 48 divisions
of wall that utilities should

02:55:58.540 --> 02:56:02.950
form working members continue
to coordinate with the LLP

02:56:02.950 --> 02:56:06.320
facilitate feedback and monitor program.

02:56:06.320 --> 02:56:11.000
I think that provides a good
frame assuring that we do have

02:56:11.000 --> 02:56:15.363
LIOB versus patients
on the ISA working group.

02:56:15.363 --> 02:56:20.363
And then on the topic
of the tribal outreach,

02:56:22.225 --> 02:56:25.510
there's reference to
a mate in the program

02:56:27.345 --> 02:56:30.337
and you talked about
meeting their benchmarks

02:56:32.960 --> 02:56:37.960
and the advocates
commentary on this and all,

02:56:39.840 --> 02:56:42.590
all and very important. And so again,

02:56:42.590 --> 02:56:46.680
I think we have a good framework
for that because we do say

02:56:46.680 --> 02:56:50.180
on page 456 of the PD, that

02:56:54.610 --> 02:56:57.790
the IOUs are to determined
a specific outreach,

02:56:57.790 --> 02:57:00.180
including the benchmark, the squad

02:57:01.434 --> 02:57:06.434
that's all outlined in the
PDs and that the appropriate

02:57:10.613 --> 02:57:15.613
funding levels can be provided
to align with those already

02:57:15.960 --> 02:57:20.480
proposed in the educational
asparagus and the fashion.

02:57:22.660 --> 02:57:25.442
And so, you know,
anticipate that to that effort,

02:57:25.442 --> 02:57:27.186
the dialogue too,

02:57:27.186 --> 02:57:32.186
wasn't what's the criteria are
sensitize world clear have to

02:57:35.850 --> 02:57:39.760
find for these grants and
qualifying for these rent.

02:57:39.760 --> 02:57:41.493
That's why we didn't want to say, well,

02:57:43.290 --> 02:57:44.793
you spend at the rock and
said, long walk when it sure.

02:57:46.317 --> 02:57:47.150
Folks know what the path is for that.

02:57:47.150 --> 02:57:52.060
So I guess there's just the
ILD and I hope this becomes the

02:57:54.120 --> 02:57:57.189
norm in terms of the way
that we work with them.

02:57:57.189 --> 02:57:58.880
It's common early.

02:57:58.880 --> 02:58:03.880
We had to vet them and
he just told us into a PD.

02:58:04.030 --> 02:58:07.080
Now I want to recognize the
leadership of administrative law

02:58:07.080 --> 02:58:11.350
judge in the trends and the
edge of division team compliance

02:58:11.350 --> 02:58:16.193
appeal Kokanee, Jason
Simmons, Jillian lever, harsh

02:58:17.564 --> 02:58:22.564
Allison Labonte then tells
us and middle divisions,

02:58:22.690 --> 02:58:23.923
Christopher child.

02:58:24.760 --> 02:58:28.010
Also, my dad became
partner Commissioner.

02:58:28.010 --> 02:58:31.830
What shopping in your
wonderful chief and staff,

02:58:31.830 --> 02:58:33.113
Tom Flaman's your,

02:58:35.731 --> 02:58:38.971
I was getting advisor Sandy
Goldberg for your contribution

02:58:38.971 --> 02:58:41.480
Commissioner Rechtschaffen

02:58:41.480 --> 02:58:44.673
with the pivotal time
Commissioner for this program

02:58:44.673 --> 02:58:47.050
and the short shopping
you laid the groundwork for

02:58:47.050 --> 02:58:49.530
us to get to this point.

02:58:49.530 --> 02:58:52.550
I don't want to say my former
advisor had brown who worked

02:58:52.550 --> 02:58:56.750
on these proceedings before
transferring to Commissioner,

02:58:56.750 --> 02:59:00.980
Jackie hatboxes lashes out on that,

02:59:00.980 --> 02:59:04.610
unless you want to
thank my team, my office,

02:59:04.610 --> 02:59:08.580
my energy advisors Shaw
Ween chief of staff legal advisor,

02:59:08.580 --> 02:59:13.032
mom, that I respectfully
ask you for your ayes.

02:59:13.032 --> 02:59:14.003
Thank you.

02:59:17.620 --> 02:59:19.277
Okay. Thank you.

02:59:20.220 --> 02:59:21.820
Any questions? Yes.

02:59:21.820 --> 02:59:23.070
Commissioner Rechtschaffen

02:59:24.710 --> 02:59:26.400
Thank you very much.

02:59:26.400 --> 02:59:29.050
Thank you, Commissioners Shiroma.

02:59:29.050 --> 02:59:32.350
I'm very pleased to
support this decision.

02:59:32.350 --> 02:59:34.490
I'm very, very happy that it ended up

02:59:34.490 --> 02:59:35.993
in such capable hands.

02:59:37.637 --> 02:59:40.950
When you took over the decision
and membership on the LR,

02:59:40.950 --> 02:59:45.950
LIOB this decision as
Commissioner Shiroma articulate has

02:59:46.700 --> 02:59:49.623
several important new
programs and approaches,

02:59:50.510 --> 02:59:54.080
very supportive of the efforts
to enhance and simplify care

02:59:54.080 --> 02:59:54.913
enrollment,

02:59:55.880 --> 02:59:59.370
promote Farrah enrollment
at a much higher level.

02:59:59.370 --> 03:00:01.370
It's exciting to see the building deep,

03:00:01.370 --> 03:00:04.000
the building electrification pilots.

03:00:04.000 --> 03:00:06.680
I'm also pleased to see the
whole building program that you

03:00:06.680 --> 03:00:07.622
mentioned.

03:00:07.622 --> 03:00:09.930
That was something
that I had hoped to see

03:00:11.350 --> 03:00:13.570
in this next decision.

03:00:13.570 --> 03:00:18.570
It's also very gratifying
to hear the lab contribution

03:00:19.310 --> 03:00:22.180
and I fully support their
inclusion going forward

03:00:22.180 --> 03:00:23.520
on east of working groups.

03:00:23.520 --> 03:00:26.770
And otherwise I thought
that their insights were very,

03:00:26.770 --> 03:00:31.490
very helpful in informing my
thinking about this program.

03:00:31.490 --> 03:00:34.500
And I want to echo
your thanks, enthusiastic,

03:00:34.500 --> 03:00:35.810
thanks to judge Tran,

03:00:35.810 --> 03:00:38.810
the energy division team and
your advisors, Cheryl Ween

03:00:38.810 --> 03:00:41.013
and while I'm testified.

03:00:42.490 --> 03:00:45.060
As Commissioner Shiroma noted that the

03:00:45.060 --> 03:00:48.840
decision directs the
utilities to develop plans that

03:00:48.840 --> 03:00:53.430
encourage hiring employees
from disadvantaged communities.

03:00:53.430 --> 03:00:54.960
And as she also noted,

03:00:54.960 --> 03:00:59.330
it requires the utilities
to report various metrics

03:00:59.330 --> 03:01:02.800
regarding the workforce
in the ISA program

03:01:02.800 --> 03:01:05.220
over the next few years.

03:01:05.220 --> 03:01:09.170
This decision does
not adopt a living wage

03:01:09.170 --> 03:01:12.133
for workers as some
parties had proposed.

03:01:13.040 --> 03:01:15.790
And as we've done in at
least one or their program

03:01:15.790 --> 03:01:16.623
here at the PUC,

03:01:17.460 --> 03:01:22.410
and it does not order wage
reporting by contractors

03:01:22.410 --> 03:01:25.240
and reporting of wages
or contractors pay

03:01:25.240 --> 03:01:27.320
the decision does know however that

03:01:27.320 --> 03:01:30.095
the energy division can
collect data about the

03:01:30.095 --> 03:01:35.095
wages provided by energy
contractors through data requests.

03:01:37.230 --> 03:01:41.963
So in my view, all these
are good steps going forward.

03:01:42.950 --> 03:01:47.320
I'd like to see the PUC do
more to ensure that rate payer

03:01:47.320 --> 03:01:52.320
funds in the ISA program go
to create high road jobs that

03:01:52.690 --> 03:01:56.345
pay a living wage and
offer career advancement

03:01:56.345 --> 03:01:58.183
opportunities.

03:01:59.080 --> 03:02:03.290
Governor Newsome has
made a cornerstone of the state's

03:02:03.290 --> 03:02:05.460
economic recovery,

03:02:05.460 --> 03:02:09.830
the advancement of
these high road job policies.

03:02:09.830 --> 03:02:13.850
And these are policies and
programs that promote high-wage

03:02:13.850 --> 03:02:18.580
good quality jobs with
opportunities for career advancement.

03:02:18.580 --> 03:02:23.580
EAs outlined this in executive
order and 79 20 last year.

03:02:23.920 --> 03:02:27.580
And there was a lot of
discussion of this in his current

03:02:27.580 --> 03:02:30.483
budget, including the may revise.

03:02:31.530 --> 03:02:34.520
Commissioner Shiroma
noted the requirement

03:02:36.081 --> 03:02:40.671
in the PD for consultation
with the California workforce

03:02:40.671 --> 03:02:42.813
development board.

03:02:43.660 --> 03:02:48.423
We have MOU with the board
to incorporate hydro job creation

03:02:48.423 --> 03:02:50.510
into our programs.

03:02:50.510 --> 03:02:54.210
We also have a goal in our
environmental and social justice

03:02:54.210 --> 03:02:57.860
action plan to promote economic
and workforce development

03:02:57.860 --> 03:03:02.030
opportunities in environmental
justice communities.

03:03:02.030 --> 03:03:05.430
I think a first step that
we can take is gathering

03:03:05.430 --> 03:03:08.820
information about what the
wages are that are currently

03:03:08.820 --> 03:03:12.730
provided by ISA contracts
towards noting that we

03:03:12.730 --> 03:03:15.015
Commissioned studies last decade,

03:03:15.015 --> 03:03:19.630
that found evidence of low
wages paid by some contractors

03:03:19.630 --> 03:03:21.693
in the energy efficiency field.

03:03:22.690 --> 03:03:26.630
And beyond that beyond
the gathering of information,

03:03:26.630 --> 03:03:30.970
when we consider how
and whether and what,

03:03:30.970 --> 03:03:34.690
in terms of adopting
wage for these programs,

03:03:34.690 --> 03:03:38.810
we can work with the workforce board.

03:03:38.810 --> 03:03:40.710
It has great expertise in this area.

03:03:40.710 --> 03:03:42.070
It can supplement a record.

03:03:42.070 --> 03:03:45.220
It can help us work through
challenging issues such as

03:03:45.220 --> 03:03:50.090
how to address geographic
wage differences and so forth.

03:03:50.090 --> 03:03:55.900
So at bottom we're
directing the investment of

03:03:55.900 --> 03:03:57.160
hundreds of millions of dollars,

03:03:57.160 --> 03:04:00.390
billions of dollars as
Commissioner Shiroma explained

03:04:00.390 --> 03:04:04.360
into the state's economy each
year through the ISA program,

03:04:04.360 --> 03:04:06.360
through our other clean energy programs.

03:04:07.450 --> 03:04:08.290
Since we're doing that,

03:04:08.290 --> 03:04:11.700
I think we should take steps
to make sure that our programs

03:04:11.700 --> 03:04:15.210
are providing workers with
high quality high wage jobs

03:04:15.210 --> 03:04:18.695
so that they can fully share
the state's economic growth

03:04:18.695 --> 03:04:20.780
and prosperity.

03:04:20.780 --> 03:04:21.613
With that,

03:04:21.613 --> 03:04:23.763
I'll be enthusiastically
supporting this decision.

03:04:25.730 --> 03:04:27.383
Thank you. Any other comments?

03:04:30.220 --> 03:04:31.895
You guys are killing me today?

03:04:31.895 --> 03:04:36.895
Okay, Martha Gozmann Zedek.

03:04:37.581 --> 03:04:39.610
Well thank you very much. And I,

03:04:39.610 --> 03:04:43.590
I realized that last out
our last voting meeting,

03:04:43.590 --> 03:04:46.690
I was speaking to this
decision around, obviously.

03:04:46.690 --> 03:04:51.690
So I won't repeat myself about
how excited I am about this

03:04:52.366 --> 03:04:56.770
kind of transition and really
customer focus that the

03:04:56.770 --> 03:05:00.550
program is taking now
and even greater focus.

03:05:00.550 --> 03:05:03.050
I did want to highlight
just one dynamic that we're

03:05:03.050 --> 03:05:08.050
continuing to work with this
excellent energy division team

03:05:08.100 --> 03:05:12.970
on, and it relates to
some of the collaborations

03:05:12.970 --> 03:05:15.450
and partnerships this utilities have

03:05:15.450 --> 03:05:19.280
with some of the
community-based organizations,

03:05:19.280 --> 03:05:24.280
some of which do receive
a cafe, the cafeteria.

03:05:25.300 --> 03:05:26.500
I always forget the word there,

03:05:26.500 --> 03:05:30.300
but the funding for kind of
the peace rate for signing

03:05:30.300 --> 03:05:31.923
people up for care and Farrah.

03:05:33.040 --> 03:05:35.910
And that is an important piece of work.

03:05:35.910 --> 03:05:40.910
However, as we learned with
the disconnections proceeding,

03:05:41.670 --> 03:05:46.670
and certainly as we prepare
for June 15th and later on the

03:05:47.340 --> 03:05:50.230
lifting of the moratorium
and the transition back,

03:05:50.230 --> 03:05:54.080
or many of our customers is
the importance of knowing about

03:05:54.080 --> 03:05:56.600
all programs available to them,

03:05:56.600 --> 03:06:01.030
including urge
management plans, et cetera.

03:06:01.030 --> 03:06:05.330
And so there is a real
need to have a more robust

03:06:05.330 --> 03:06:08.800
relationship with these
community-based organizations.

03:06:08.800 --> 03:06:13.214
It's a question we had in their
COVID transition plans that

03:06:13.214 --> 03:06:17.810
is not fully answered.
And so we're going to,

03:06:17.810 --> 03:06:20.210
we are continuing to ask that question,

03:06:20.210 --> 03:06:23.250
as you may have seen already
in the PD that is out in the

03:06:23.250 --> 03:06:27.250
disconnections proceeding
that overlaps greatly with this

03:06:27.250 --> 03:06:28.410
ISA care proceeding,

03:06:28.410 --> 03:06:31.940
because it is the same
potential organizations that are

03:06:31.940 --> 03:06:34.815
looking on a capitation.

03:06:34.815 --> 03:06:36.635
There you go, that word,

03:06:36.635 --> 03:06:39.523
and already in touch
with these customers.

03:06:40.680 --> 03:06:45.410
I think the changes model
that is also incorporated here in

03:06:45.410 --> 03:06:49.370
this PD is a great model that
potentially could serve as a

03:06:49.370 --> 03:06:52.680
model that we need
to expand or replicate.

03:06:52.680 --> 03:06:56.380
Because of course, the
focus on limited English,

03:06:56.380 --> 03:07:00.830
the population that changes
has the team changes is really

03:07:00.830 --> 03:07:02.320
a great focus,

03:07:02.320 --> 03:07:05.160
but we know who the
disconnections work that

03:07:05.160 --> 03:07:05.993
we've been doing.

03:07:05.993 --> 03:07:08.630
And certainly with COVID
that the need will be greater

03:07:10.175 --> 03:07:11.730
and it is greater.

03:07:11.730 --> 03:07:14.298
So I look forward to
working with the team on that

03:07:14.298 --> 03:07:19.298
and again, the leadership of the LIOB,

03:07:19.340 --> 03:07:23.480
they did send us a letter with
the COVID transition plans,

03:07:23.480 --> 03:07:28.480
really highlighting this need
for on the ground capacity

03:07:28.800 --> 03:07:30.650
to help customers.

03:07:30.650 --> 03:07:32.610
So thank you very much.

03:07:32.610 --> 03:07:35.900
And I look forward to
that next little bit of work

03:07:35.900 --> 03:07:37.600
that we'll be working on together.

03:07:46.310 --> 03:07:48.310
Looks like you're muted President Batjer

03:07:49.820 --> 03:07:51.990
Well, I keep hitting it,
but it wasn't unmuting.

03:07:51.990 --> 03:07:53.800
I think Commissioner
Houck you wanted to make

03:07:53.800 --> 03:07:55.053
some comments as well.

03:07:55.930 --> 03:07:57.110
Yes, just briefly.

03:07:57.110 --> 03:07:59.470
I wanted to thank Commissioner
Shiroma and her office

03:07:59.470 --> 03:08:02.050
for their leadership on this matter,

03:08:02.050 --> 03:08:04.990
judge Tran, Alison Labonte, and her team

03:08:04.990 --> 03:08:07.550
for the thoughtful work
to strategically design

03:08:07.550 --> 03:08:12.180
the next six years for the
care ISA thera programs,

03:08:12.180 --> 03:08:14.900
the decision adopts a large
number of improvements to the

03:08:14.900 --> 03:08:17.870
program. I'm not
going to go into detail.

03:08:17.870 --> 03:08:18.920
I think Commissioner Shiroma,

03:08:18.920 --> 03:08:23.760
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
provided the details for the

03:08:23.760 --> 03:08:26.380
program. And so I
just wanted to say that

03:08:26.380 --> 03:08:29.759
I support this decision and
also want to thank my advisor,

03:08:29.759 --> 03:08:31.260
Mary, Claire brown,

03:08:31.260 --> 03:08:34.960
for helping to bring me up
to speed on all of the details

03:08:34.960 --> 03:08:36.610
and this important decision. Okay.

03:08:36.610 --> 03:08:37.443
Thank you.

03:08:40.600 --> 03:08:42.003
Okay. Thank you.

03:08:43.140 --> 03:08:44.440
Thank all of you.

03:08:44.440 --> 03:08:45.990
Any other comments or thoughts?

03:08:46.910 --> 03:08:48.453
Okay. Seeing non will the,

03:08:50.148 --> 03:08:51.898
will the clerk please call the roll

03:08:54.663 --> 03:08:56.013
Commissioner Houck
Yes.

03:08:56.955 --> 03:09:00.712
Commissioner Shiroma.
Aye.

03:09:00.712 --> 03:09:03.363
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
Yes.

03:09:05.070 --> 03:09:06.820
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.

03:09:08.660 --> 03:09:10.863
President Batjer
Yes.

03:09:12.110 --> 03:09:15.310
Item number 26 passes unanimously.

03:09:15.310 --> 03:09:17.330
Moving on now to item 27

03:09:17.330 --> 03:09:18.830
And that is Commissioner Houck.

03:09:25.090 --> 03:09:26.229
Thank you.

03:09:26.229 --> 03:09:30.610
I will, Let me just make
sure I've got the right one.

03:09:30.610 --> 03:09:34.580
I think I've got another
extension on, so thank you,

03:09:34.580 --> 03:09:36.300
President Batjer.

03:09:36.300 --> 03:09:39.730
I'm asking for your support
Commissioners for this order.

03:09:39.730 --> 03:09:43.347
Extending the statutory
deadline for application 1806008

03:09:45.290 --> 03:09:48.230
The Metro gold line Foothill
extension construction

03:09:48.230 --> 03:09:51.610
authority is application to
construct two light rail tracks

03:09:51.610 --> 03:09:55.240
and to alter to commuter
in the city of Claremont Los

03:09:55.240 --> 03:09:56.310
Angeles.

03:09:56.310 --> 03:09:59.290
This proceeding became delayed
after the applicant asked the

03:09:59.290 --> 03:10:02.390
Commission to process its
higher priority applications

03:10:02.390 --> 03:10:05.950
outside the order in which
all the applications were filed,

03:10:05.950 --> 03:10:08.810
this application was
deemed a lower priority for the

03:10:08.810 --> 03:10:09.950
applicant.

03:10:09.950 --> 03:10:11.600
Therefore, I'm asking for your support

03:10:11.600 --> 03:10:15.630
to extend this proceeding
to December 31st, 2021.

03:10:15.630 --> 03:10:18.250
However, because the
assigned administrative law

03:10:18.250 --> 03:10:20.380
judge is working on
the proposed decision.

03:10:20.380 --> 03:10:22.840
Now we anticipate that
it will be ready for your

03:10:22.840 --> 03:10:25.916
consideration before
that time. And with that,

03:10:25.916 --> 03:10:29.863
I request you support
this extension. Thank you.

03:10:30.720 --> 03:10:31.703
Thank you.

03:10:31.703 --> 03:10:34.283
Are there any questions of
Commissioner Houck or comments?

03:10:35.170 --> 03:10:36.100
Okay. Seeing none.

03:10:36.100 --> 03:10:38.423
We'll the agenda
court, please call the roll.

03:10:39.260 --> 03:10:41.593
Commissioner Houck
Yes.

03:10:42.820 --> 03:10:45.010
Commissioner Shiroma.
Aye

03:10:46.760 --> 03:10:49.563
Commissioner Houck.
Yes.

03:10:50.820 --> 03:10:52.570
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
Aye

03:10:54.412 --> 03:10:58.290
President Batjer
Yes.

03:10:58.290 --> 03:10:59.180
Thank you all

03:11:00.020 --> 03:11:03.553
Item number 27 passes unanimously.

03:11:04.970 --> 03:11:09.710
We are not going to take up
item 28 cause it is related to

03:11:09.710 --> 03:11:13.503
an item number 15, that
was on our consent calendar.

03:11:14.730 --> 03:11:17.120
So we'll move on to item 29,

03:11:17.120 --> 03:11:19.003
which is also a Commissioner Houck.

03:11:20.630 --> 03:11:22.930
Thank you, President Batjer.

03:11:22.930 --> 03:11:25.690
So I am asking for
support today for this order,

03:11:25.690 --> 03:11:28.860
which extends the
statutory deadline for nine,

03:11:28.860 --> 03:11:33.860
1202 San Jose and water
company's application regarding cost

03:11:34.640 --> 03:11:38.120
recovery for its advanced
metering infrastructure

03:11:38.120 --> 03:11:42.010
projects to December six, 2021.

03:11:42.010 --> 03:11:44.530
I understand that the parties
are currently engaged in

03:11:44.530 --> 03:11:45.890
settlement discussions.

03:11:45.890 --> 03:11:48.130
Extending this deadline
will provide parties,

03:11:48.130 --> 03:11:51.500
an opportunity to complete
these discussions and still allow

03:11:51.500 --> 03:11:55.494
time for the other parties
to weigh in on the potential

03:11:55.494 --> 03:11:58.723
proposals and hold
hearings, if necessary.

03:11:59.760 --> 03:12:00.640
So with that,

03:12:00.640 --> 03:12:03.550
I'm asking that you support
this request for an extension to

03:12:03.550 --> 03:12:05.693
December six, 2021.

03:12:12.360 --> 03:12:14.310
Sorry we have
it's on mute again.

03:12:14.310 --> 03:12:15.653
Any questions or comments?

03:12:16.840 --> 03:12:17.840
Okay. Seeing none.

03:12:17.840 --> 03:12:20.180
Will the agenda clerk
please call the roll

03:12:21.210 --> 03:12:23.483
Commissioner Houck
Yes.

03:12:24.820 --> 03:12:28.220
Commissioner Shiroma.
Aye.

03:12:28.220 --> 03:12:30.070
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
Yes.

03:12:31.544 --> 03:12:32.377
Commissioner Guzman Aceves

03:12:32.377 --> 03:12:33.210
Aye.

03:12:35.769 --> 03:12:39.144
President Batjer
Yes.

03:12:39.144 --> 03:12:43.070
Thank you. Item number
29 passes unanimously.

03:12:43.070 --> 03:12:46.633
Moving on now to item number 30.

03:12:47.850 --> 03:12:49.660
This is assigned to me.

03:12:49.660 --> 03:12:54.660
This order extending
deadline is for the 2018 nuclear

03:12:55.250 --> 03:13:00.220
deCommissioning cost
triennial proceeding for Edison

03:13:00.220 --> 03:13:05.220
and SDGE also known as the
San Onofre nuclear generating

03:13:05.950 --> 03:13:10.680
station or song's proceeding
an extension of statutory

03:13:10.680 --> 03:13:15.247
deadline from June, 1920
21 to October 20 2021

03:13:18.012 --> 03:13:23.012
is necessary in order to
allow time for the judge to

03:13:23.320 --> 03:13:26.770
issue a proposed decision and
to allow the Commission enough

03:13:26.770 --> 03:13:31.060
time to deliberate and
issue its final decision.

03:13:31.060 --> 03:13:35.010
We expect a proposed decision
to issue this summer and this

03:13:35.010 --> 03:13:37.990
extension will allow time for
the decision to be thoroughly

03:13:37.990 --> 03:13:42.223
considered. I request
your support on items 30,

03:13:43.760 --> 03:13:45.243
any questions or thoughts?

03:13:47.710 --> 03:13:48.710
Okay. Seeing none.

03:13:48.710 --> 03:13:52.040
We'll be agenda clerk. Please
call the roll Commissioner.

03:13:52.040 --> 03:13:53.853
Commissioner Houck
Yes.

03:13:55.095 --> 03:13:58.843
Commissioner Shiroma.
Aye.

03:13:58.843 --> 03:14:02.035
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
Yes.

03:14:02.035 --> 03:14:05.368
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.

03:14:06.429 --> 03:14:08.429
President Batjer
Yes.

03:14:10.156 --> 03:14:11.190
Thank you.

03:14:11.190 --> 03:14:15.640
Item 30 passes unanimously.
Now moving on to item 31,

03:14:15.640 --> 03:14:17.640
which is Commissioner Houcks to proceed.

03:14:19.556 --> 03:14:23.540
This is an extension
order for a complaint case

03:14:23.540 --> 03:14:28.540
C 1904005 five filed by the developer,

03:14:28.550 --> 03:14:32.740
Mr. Fred against San Jose
water company regarding

03:14:32.740 --> 03:14:34.930
the cost involved in repositioning,

03:14:34.930 --> 03:14:37.220
a portion of San Jose water companies,

03:14:37.220 --> 03:14:39.970
water main understands hella drive

03:14:39.970 --> 03:14:41.373
and the town of Los Gatos.

03:14:43.276 --> 03:14:46.140
I was assigned to this
proceeding on March 8th, 2021.

03:14:46.140 --> 03:14:50.980
And this request for an
extension would have the statutory

03:14:50.980 --> 03:14:55.050
deadline goes through
October 8th, 2021. At this time,

03:14:55.050 --> 03:14:57.920
the record has been submitted
and the only remaining

03:14:57.920 --> 03:15:01.130
procedural steps are to issue
a proposed decision for party

03:15:01.130 --> 03:15:03.550
comments and a Commission vote.

03:15:03.550 --> 03:15:07.500
We anticipate that this will
be resolved before the October

03:15:07.500 --> 03:15:09.310
eight, 2021 deadline.

03:15:09.310 --> 03:15:11.913
And I asked for your
support on this item. Okay.

03:15:13.290 --> 03:15:15.997
Okay. Any comments or questions?

03:15:17.157 --> 03:15:18.223
All right. Thank you.

03:15:19.170 --> 03:15:22.853
Will the agenda clerk
please call the roll on item 31.

03:15:24.030 --> 03:15:26.253
Commissioner Houck
Yes.

03:15:27.520 --> 03:15:29.993
Commissioner Shiroma.
Aye.

03:15:31.060 --> 03:15:33.493
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
Yes.

03:15:34.520 --> 03:15:36.270
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.

03:15:37.930 --> 03:15:41.010
President Batjer
Yes.

03:15:41.010 --> 03:15:43.140
Item 31 passes unanimously.

03:15:43.140 --> 03:15:46.560
Thank you. Moving now onto item 34.

03:15:46.560 --> 03:15:49.530
And this will be a presented.

03:15:49.530 --> 03:15:53.978
I understand by the legal
division and I believe Helen is

03:15:53.978 --> 03:15:58.978
going to be presenting
this item is Helen on

03:16:01.774 --> 03:16:03.580
not seeing her here.

03:16:03.580 --> 03:16:04.940
Okay. There we go.

03:16:04.940 --> 03:16:05.773
Oh, good.

03:16:06.734 --> 03:16:08.170
I'm in the dark. And
I apologize for that.

03:16:08.170 --> 03:16:10.729
It's just the lighting here.

03:16:10.729 --> 03:16:11.710
Yeah.

03:16:11.710 --> 03:16:13.157
Never in the dark pill.

03:16:14.751 --> 03:16:16.051
I never you're too kind.

03:16:17.354 --> 03:16:21.810
So I this item was assigned
to an attorney who works in

03:16:21.810 --> 03:16:24.070
my group, carry a shepherd.

03:16:24.070 --> 03:16:27.110
Well, before this item was
scheduled to be on this agenda,

03:16:27.110 --> 03:16:30.980
she had planned a trip home
to take her daughter to visit

03:16:30.980 --> 03:16:33.790
her parents for the first
time in a very long time.

03:16:33.790 --> 03:16:35.840
And so I am filling in for her.

03:16:35.840 --> 03:16:37.940
I am not as familiar
with this as she is.

03:16:37.940 --> 03:16:41.610
And so I have a staff person
carceral from CDE who can

03:16:41.610 --> 03:16:44.870
answer any substance of
questions you might have.

03:16:44.870 --> 03:16:48.200
This is a request from
the FCC for comments.

03:16:48.200 --> 03:16:52.033
The FCC issued a report, an order

03:16:52.033 --> 03:16:54.400
and a further notice of
proposed rule making in May

03:16:54.400 --> 03:16:57.150
and its docket in the matter

03:16:57.150 --> 03:17:00.803
of rates for interstate
inmate calling services.

03:17:01.700 --> 03:17:05.293
And the FCC has unlike us,

03:17:05.293 --> 03:17:06.126
they keep belting dockets for years.

03:17:06.126 --> 03:17:08.780
And so this doc has been open
for awhile and they've sought

03:17:08.780 --> 03:17:09.613
comment before.

03:17:09.613 --> 03:17:12.280
And we have submitted
comments before in this renewed

03:17:12.280 --> 03:17:14.707
request for comments or speaking, we,

03:17:14.707 --> 03:17:18.880
our staff is proposing to
address three particular issues.

03:17:18.880 --> 03:17:23.650
One is the FCC is proposing
to adopt a permanent cap for

03:17:23.650 --> 03:17:28.283
interstate and international
inmate calling services.

03:17:28.283 --> 03:17:31.968
And we found when we have,
we have an open docket here,

03:17:31.968 --> 03:17:34.530
as well as I think you all know,

03:17:34.530 --> 03:17:38.350
and on the same general
subject and in our docket,

03:17:38.350 --> 03:17:43.330
we held public participation
hearings where we heard from

03:17:43.330 --> 03:17:47.250
participants that
incarcerated persons rely on

03:17:47.250 --> 03:17:49.710
interstate and international
communication services

03:17:49.710 --> 03:17:53.140
to maintain contact with their families

03:17:53.140 --> 03:17:55.760
as well as in the country,

03:17:55.760 --> 03:17:57.580
as well as those out of the country.

03:17:57.580 --> 03:18:00.690
So this is what we would
inform the FCC about that.

03:18:00.690 --> 03:18:04.950
We found that this is important
in California through this

03:18:04.950 --> 03:18:09.692
taking of information. And
we would also recommend,

03:18:09.692 --> 03:18:12.760
that the Commission
should continue ongoing data

03:18:12.760 --> 03:18:15.140
collection efforts and adopt a rate cap,

03:18:15.140 --> 03:18:18.090
and then annually revive that
rate cap based on its ongoing

03:18:18.090 --> 03:18:20.350
data collection. That's one issue.

03:18:20.350 --> 03:18:23.913
Another one is revising
ancillary service, charge rules,

03:18:26.755 --> 03:18:29.100
ancillary charges are for
services like credit card

03:18:29.100 --> 03:18:32.200
transactions or
speaking with a live agent.

03:18:32.200 --> 03:18:37.200
And the FCC is looking at adopting rules

03:18:38.890 --> 03:18:41.360
that would bring those charges

03:18:41.360 --> 03:18:44.490
in line with what other
folks pay instead of having

03:18:44.490 --> 03:18:48.366
extra high charges for
incarcerated persons.

03:18:48.366 --> 03:18:53.366
The FCC should clarify that
the application of these charges

03:18:54.771 --> 03:18:58.520
will not allow, sorry,
I'm let me back up.

03:18:58.520 --> 03:19:00.720
The object here is to
ensure that these charges are

03:19:00.720 --> 03:19:04.450
appropriately imposed and
properly assessed rather than

03:19:04.450 --> 03:19:06.620
being all over the map,
which is how they are now.

03:19:06.620 --> 03:19:08.876
So I apologize for the confusion there.

03:19:08.876 --> 03:19:12.440
And then the last item is
to ensure that international

03:19:12.440 --> 03:19:14.790
calls are allowed.

03:19:14.790 --> 03:19:18.160
The only the FCC has
authority to regulate international

03:19:18.160 --> 03:19:20.440
calling. So we can't
get involved in this at all.

03:19:20.440 --> 03:19:22.260
It's their job.

03:19:22.260 --> 03:19:25.430
And we can inform the FCC
about this was the information

03:19:25.430 --> 03:19:27.990
again that we collected
from our public participation

03:19:27.990 --> 03:19:31.707
hearings, where we heard
from members of the public,

03:19:31.707 --> 03:19:35.070
that some incarcerated
individuals are unable to make

03:19:35.070 --> 03:19:37.010
international calls from
facilities in California.

03:19:37.010 --> 03:19:40.850
And we want to support the
FCC making that mandatory across

03:19:40.850 --> 03:19:44.360
the board. So those are the
proposals that staff has made.

03:19:44.360 --> 03:19:46.908
And that is what we were
asking for you for authority to

03:19:46.908 --> 03:19:50.000
make this, make these comments, sorry,

03:19:50.000 --> 03:19:52.500
prepare these comments
and submit them to the FCC.

03:19:53.690 --> 03:19:54.870
Oh, and one other thing,

03:19:54.870 --> 03:19:58.950
if the Commission would like
to do so you can delegate the

03:19:58.950 --> 03:20:02.083
final review of these comments
to Commissioner Shioma,

03:20:02.980 --> 03:20:05.830
who has a particular interest
in this topic, but you know,

03:20:05.830 --> 03:20:06.787
that's up to you.

03:20:10.833 --> 03:20:12.916
Okay. Thank you, Helen.

03:20:14.470 --> 03:20:18.767
Are there any questions or
further comments on item 34

03:20:21.918 --> 03:20:25.335
Present Batjer.
Yes. Mr. Gusman Asavis

03:20:26.600 --> 03:20:28.167
Thank you. I thank you, Helen,

03:20:28.167 --> 03:20:33.167
for that update and providing
more detail on the elements

03:20:33.290 --> 03:20:36.513
that we would advocate
for under the FCC.

03:20:38.180 --> 03:20:39.013
First of all,

03:20:39.013 --> 03:20:41.810
want to acknowledge the
FCC for their leadership on this,

03:20:41.810 --> 03:20:45.250
and actually finally taking this on.

03:20:45.250 --> 03:20:46.293
I think it's,

03:20:47.630 --> 03:20:51.660
as we've learned very deeply
in our public participation

03:20:51.660 --> 03:20:56.332
hearings, the real life
impact on every aspect,

03:20:56.332 --> 03:21:00.210
particularly on the
ability for rehabilitation

03:21:00.210 --> 03:21:01.923
and connectivity with family.

03:21:03.090 --> 03:21:07.360
So I thank the FCC for
actually taking the action

03:21:07.360 --> 03:21:09.590
and to take action from that week.

03:21:11.490 --> 03:21:15.980
I just wanted to make sure
we are being the best advocates

03:21:15.980 --> 03:21:20.260
for California in California and
with family members who are

03:21:20.260 --> 03:21:25.200
incarcerated in particular.
And so wanted to really urge us.

03:21:25.200 --> 03:21:28.203
We have a strong position with CSCC.

03:21:29.200 --> 03:21:32.400
I'm very happy to hear that
one of the three elements will

03:21:32.400 --> 03:21:35.350
be on the international
calling, as Helen mentioned,

03:21:35.350 --> 03:21:40.350
that was a real barrier or a
folk heard some really sad

03:21:41.480 --> 03:21:42.990
stories on that.

03:21:42.990 --> 03:21:47.990
So I'm hoping that it gets
resolved by the FCC and our staff

03:21:48.240 --> 03:21:50.030
has done a tremendous
amount of research.

03:21:50.030 --> 03:21:54.890
I know Carol is on here on
the auxiliary charges that are

03:21:54.890 --> 03:21:56.120
really atrocious,

03:21:56.120 --> 03:21:59.837
probably the most atrocious
of all of these Emmanuel's here.

03:22:04.079 --> 03:22:07.540
And we've heard many
cases of that during our public

03:22:07.540 --> 03:22:08.950
participation hearings,

03:22:08.950 --> 03:22:13.540
that to folks were charged
without even making actual

03:22:13.540 --> 03:22:15.093
connections.

03:22:15.093 --> 03:22:20.093
So that is a really key element
that I hope we can use all

03:22:20.940 --> 03:22:25.940
the testimony that we gather
to make it as a prohibited

03:22:26.250 --> 03:22:27.753
and limited as possible.

03:22:28.800 --> 03:22:31.820
And finally, on the rate cap itself,

03:22:31.820 --> 03:22:36.820
I'm happy that we'll be proposing
kind of an ongoing review.

03:22:37.130 --> 03:22:42.130
And mostly because we have
seen such a dramatic drop in the

03:22:42.740 --> 03:22:46.810
rates here in California,
and most notably,

03:22:46.810 --> 03:22:50.980
one of the things we learned
about was the CDCR contract

03:22:50.980 --> 03:22:54.013
that was recently signed last month,

03:22:54.850 --> 03:22:58.050
California department of
corrections and rehabilitation.

03:22:58.050 --> 03:23:02.900
They signed a contract
with a 2.50 cent rate,

03:23:02.900 --> 03:23:07.900
which is astronomically lower
than with what the sec had

03:23:08.320 --> 03:23:09.503
considered previously.

03:23:10.744 --> 03:23:15.250
So it is a real important that
we pushed that here we are

03:23:16.270 --> 03:23:20.760
already seeing the market to
meet and meet the regulation to

03:23:21.730 --> 03:23:25.560
stay adopted in that regard and
that we should at minimum be

03:23:25.560 --> 03:23:29.710
pushing what is that
current trajectory lower?

03:23:32.370 --> 03:23:37.018
So of course we did hear
many folks from public that each

03:23:37.018 --> 03:23:40.530
may be provided, you know,

03:23:40.530 --> 03:23:43.120
different people propose
different amounts of time,

03:23:43.120 --> 03:23:47.188
but could be provided a free
weekly call allotment because

03:23:47.188 --> 03:23:50.400
even though we, we
would reduce the rates,

03:23:50.400 --> 03:23:51.970
it's still prohibited for people.

03:23:51.970 --> 03:23:54.450
So I don't know if we'll get that far,

03:23:54.450 --> 03:23:58.100
but I do certainly hope that at
minimum we advocate for the

03:23:58.100 --> 03:24:01.620
lowest rate that we
know of at this point,

03:24:01.620 --> 03:24:04.670
the lowest rate that I am
aware of is that CDCR contracts,

03:24:04.670 --> 03:24:08.790
which of course is a large
part of the prison population

03:24:08.790 --> 03:24:10.120
here in California.

03:24:11.490 --> 03:24:13.220
So, and I would say

03:24:13.220 --> 03:24:16.110
I'm asked a hundred percent
supportive of delegating,

03:24:16.110 --> 03:24:18.510
a final sign off to
Commissioner ShIroma.

03:24:20.800 --> 03:24:22.670
Thank you, Commissioner
Guzman Aceeves.

03:24:22.670 --> 03:24:26.580
I want to ask Ann a question,

03:24:26.580 --> 03:24:31.539
do we need to take two votes
vote on item 34 and then vote

03:24:31.539 --> 03:24:36.539
on delegating the final
review to Commissioner

03:24:38.650 --> 03:24:41.470
Sherma? Could I be advised on that?

03:24:41.470 --> 03:24:42.480
President Batjer,.

03:24:42.480 --> 03:24:45.550
If someone makes a motion
that has both those elements

03:24:45.550 --> 03:24:47.860
you can vote on at once.

03:24:47.860 --> 03:24:49.623
Okay. Appreciate
that very much.

03:24:50.600 --> 03:24:53.620
Oh, I'm sorry.

03:24:53.620 --> 03:24:56.270
Are there any other comments
to be made on this item?

03:24:59.050 --> 03:25:00.290
I've seen none.

03:25:00.290 --> 03:25:05.290
I'm up for a motion as
was just advised by our

03:25:07.250 --> 03:25:09.423
chief ALJ council.

03:25:10.880 --> 03:25:14.340
I move to adopt the
recommendation of the legal

03:25:14.340 --> 03:25:18.480
division has delegated
authority for final review of the

03:25:18.480 --> 03:25:20.310
comments to Commissioner Shiroma.

03:25:21.590 --> 03:25:22.720
And I second that

03:25:23.654 --> 03:25:26.840
it's been first and
seconded to adopt the

03:25:26.840 --> 03:25:29.890
recommendation by legal.
And I want to thank again,

03:25:29.890 --> 03:25:34.220
Helen from present presenting
and also to delegating

03:25:34.220 --> 03:25:37.993
to Mr. Shiroma final review of comments.

03:25:38.920 --> 03:25:42.680
Will the agenda court please
call the roll a number item 34

03:25:44.646 --> 03:25:48.318
Commissioner Houck
Yes.

03:25:48.318 --> 03:25:51.673
Commissioner Shiroma.
Aye.

03:25:53.360 --> 03:25:55.693
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
Yes.

03:25:56.550 --> 03:25:58.755
Commissioner Guzman Aceves

03:25:58.755 --> 03:25:59.588
Aye.

03:26:00.600 --> 03:26:02.920
President Batjer
Yes.

03:26:02.920 --> 03:26:07.920
Thank you all item 34
is passed unanimously.

03:26:09.350 --> 03:26:10.780
So thank you all again.

03:26:10.780 --> 03:26:15.130
We will move from the regular
agenda to management reports

03:26:15.130 --> 03:26:19.140
and there is no report for item 35,

03:26:19.140 --> 03:26:21.900
which is the report and
discussion on recent consumer

03:26:21.900 --> 03:26:25.000
protection and safety activities.

03:26:25.000 --> 03:26:29.980
I'm going to ask for a
very brief 10 minute break

03:26:31.020 --> 03:26:34.500
before we take up items
36, because we, you know,

03:26:34.500 --> 03:26:39.500
have a presentation by the
safety and enforcement division

03:26:40.070 --> 03:26:43.660
oversight of actions resulting
from the Pacific gas electric

03:26:43.660 --> 03:26:44.900
company,

03:26:44.900 --> 03:26:49.900
2020 locate and mark
settlement and executive director.

03:26:50.430 --> 03:26:53.870
Rachel Peterson will be
introducing the presenters,

03:26:53.870 --> 03:26:55.560
but if we can just first,

03:26:55.560 --> 03:26:59.380
before we do that
presentation and I apologize,

03:26:59.380 --> 03:27:02.739
I did not ask Rachel if
she were okay with this,

03:27:02.739 --> 03:27:06.090
but a 10 minute break. It is one 50.

03:27:06.090 --> 03:27:08.800
Let's all be back at two. Okay.

03:27:08.800 --> 03:27:09.683
Thank you all.

03:27:39.110 --> 03:27:41.623
So well, let's get back underway.

03:27:42.550 --> 03:27:43.960
I'm ready to go.

03:27:43.960 --> 03:27:46.530
Robert and the Operator.

03:27:46.530 --> 03:27:47.363
Yes, ma'am.

03:27:47.363 --> 03:27:48.196
We're ready to go.

03:28:00.013 --> 03:28:00.846
Okay.

03:28:04.370 --> 03:28:05.303
Operator there.

03:28:08.600 --> 03:28:10.183
Yes. Your line is open.

03:28:11.030 --> 03:28:12.430
Okay. Thank you very much.

03:28:14.910 --> 03:28:18.053
We're now back in session,

03:28:19.420 --> 03:28:24.210
we are in the management
report section of our agenda today,

03:28:24.210 --> 03:28:27.590
and I need the agenda clerk
to please call the roll so we

03:28:27.590 --> 03:28:28.640
can establish quorum.

03:28:30.630 --> 03:28:33.803
Commissioner Houck
Here.

03:28:35.100 --> 03:28:38.603
Commissioner Shiroma.
Present.

03:28:39.900 --> 03:28:42.250
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
Here

03:28:44.140 --> 03:28:45.820
Commissioner Guzman Aceves

03:28:46.980 --> 03:28:47.813
Here

03:28:48.701 --> 03:28:51.270
President Batjer
Here.

03:28:51.270 --> 03:28:52.720
We do have a quorum.

03:28:52.720 --> 03:28:57.720
We will now move on to item
36, which is before the break.

03:28:58.910 --> 03:29:03.910
I announced it is a
presentation by our C oversight

03:29:04.560 --> 03:29:09.560
and actions by SED regarding
oversight and actions resulting

03:29:10.430 --> 03:29:15.430
from the PG&E 2020
locate and mark settlement,

03:29:16.280 --> 03:29:19.453
executive director Peterson. Are you on?

03:29:20.610 --> 03:29:23.330
I am. Thank you,
President Batjer.

03:29:23.330 --> 03:29:24.380
Super. Okay.

03:29:24.380 --> 03:29:25.333
Take it away.

03:29:26.860 --> 03:29:29.000
All right. Good
afternoon President Badjer

03:29:29.000 --> 03:29:30.710
and Commissioners.

03:29:30.710 --> 03:29:32.300
Today, you're going to hear

03:29:32.300 --> 03:29:34.747
the second of two presentations

03:29:34.747 --> 03:29:37.580
by our safety and enforcement division

03:29:37.580 --> 03:29:42.580
about our oversight as safety
at Pacific gas and electric.

03:29:42.670 --> 03:29:43.690
At the last meeting,

03:29:43.690 --> 03:29:46.930
we presented to you an
update on our oversight of the

03:29:46.930 --> 03:29:51.340
penalties and remedies that this
Commission imposed on PG&E

03:29:51.340 --> 03:29:55.570
following the tragic Northern
California wildfires of 2017

03:29:55.570 --> 03:29:57.460
and 2018.

03:29:57.460 --> 03:29:58.293
In that case,

03:29:58.293 --> 03:30:01.800
our oversight work is
focusing on PG&E operation of

03:30:01.800 --> 03:30:05.790
its electric infrastructure
and reducing the risk of utility

03:30:05.790 --> 03:30:07.123
ignited wildfire.

03:30:08.010 --> 03:30:10.470
Today, Terrence Ang from the gas,

03:30:10.470 --> 03:30:13.980
safety and reliability branch
of safety and enforcement

03:30:13.980 --> 03:30:17.491
division will brief you
on our investigation,

03:30:17.491 --> 03:30:22.491
which commenced in 2016
and launched as a formal order

03:30:22.510 --> 03:30:27.050
instituting investigation
in 2018 of problems

03:30:27.050 --> 03:30:31.590
with PG&E capability
and honesty in managing

03:30:31.590 --> 03:30:33.750
one of its core safety programs

03:30:33.750 --> 03:30:36.963
related to underground
natural gas facilities.

03:30:38.370 --> 03:30:39.480
This Commission you,

03:30:39.480 --> 03:30:43.170
the Commissioners imposed a
set of remedies and penalties in

03:30:43.170 --> 03:30:46.010
your February, 2020 decision.

03:30:46.010 --> 03:30:48.850
And Mr. Ann emphasis
will be on our oversight

03:30:48.850 --> 03:30:51.620
in the last 16 months of PG$E

03:30:51.620 --> 03:30:54.053
implementation of the
penalties and remedies.

03:30:55.430 --> 03:30:59.200
The case revolves around
the locate and mark information

03:30:59.200 --> 03:31:00.630
management system,

03:31:00.630 --> 03:31:03.680
which underlies the
safety of anyone excavating

03:31:03.680 --> 03:31:06.940
and potentially digging
into PG&E underground

03:31:06.940 --> 03:31:09.050
natural gas facilities.

03:31:09.050 --> 03:31:13.020
It also revolves around an
inaccurate ticketing system

03:31:13.020 --> 03:31:17.113
and a failure of management
to respond to reported issues.

03:31:17.980 --> 03:31:21.830
The themes here are
accuracy of PG needs databases

03:31:21.830 --> 03:31:25.840
and record keeping
systems intentional or

03:31:25.840 --> 03:31:28.170
unintentional falsification,

03:31:28.170 --> 03:31:31.660
and the culture within the
utility that at the time of our

03:31:31.660 --> 03:31:35.720
investigation did not
encourage people at all levels to

03:31:35.720 --> 03:31:39.530
speak up about a safety issue
and did not hold management

03:31:39.530 --> 03:31:41.003
accountable to respond.

03:31:41.955 --> 03:31:44.810
The system enhancement
initiatives that Terrance will

03:31:44.810 --> 03:31:48.550
present about are intended
to address those issues.

03:31:48.550 --> 03:31:49.920
But as you well know,

03:31:49.920 --> 03:31:53.140
these are areas that we
continue to focus on with respect to

03:31:53.140 --> 03:31:56.470
PG&E. Upon your vote earlier this year,

03:31:56.470 --> 03:32:00.750
we've placed PG&E in step
one of our enhanced oversight

03:32:00.750 --> 03:32:02.800
and enforcement process.

03:32:02.800 --> 03:32:06.360
The utility is in step one
because we are concerned about

03:32:06.360 --> 03:32:10.620
whether another one of their
internal safety systems in this

03:32:10.620 --> 03:32:14.540
case, a risk model is
accurately identifying risk.

03:32:14.540 --> 03:32:15.670
And just as important,

03:32:15.670 --> 03:32:19.560
whether it's being acted upon
at all levels of the company

03:32:19.560 --> 03:32:22.050
for enhanced vegetation management,

03:32:22.050 --> 03:32:25.730
that will reduce the risks that
PG&E equipment will ignite a

03:32:25.730 --> 03:32:28.383
wildfire because of vegetation context.

03:32:29.400 --> 03:32:30.450
On June 17th,

03:32:30.450 --> 03:32:33.520
I'm leading a workshop at
which PG&E will present its

03:32:33.520 --> 03:32:37.180
corrective action plan on that issue.

03:32:37.180 --> 03:32:39.020
And as you heard from Ms,

03:32:39.020 --> 03:32:41.490
gently from STD at
the last voting meeting,

03:32:41.490 --> 03:32:43.770
and we'll hear from Mr. Ang today,

03:32:43.770 --> 03:32:46.932
we're actively overseeing PG
needs progress on safety issues

03:32:46.932 --> 03:32:50.500
across several lines of business.

03:32:50.500 --> 03:32:52.900
Thank you for the
opportunity to present today.

03:32:52.900 --> 03:32:54.923
And now I'll turn it over to Taryn.

03:32:58.310 --> 03:33:01.876
Thank you. Executive director
Peterson, good afternoon.

03:33:01.876 --> 03:33:06.876
President Batjer, Commissioners,
fellow Commission staff,

03:33:07.127 --> 03:33:08.827
and members of the general public.

03:33:09.830 --> 03:33:12.290
As executive director Peterson mentioned

03:33:12.290 --> 03:33:14.268
I am Terrance ING.

03:33:14.268 --> 03:33:17.340
I am the program manager
of the gas safety and reliability

03:33:17.340 --> 03:33:22.070
branch of the safety
and enforcement division.

03:33:22.070 --> 03:33:27.070
Today I'll briefly cover STDs
oversight actions resulting

03:33:27.490 --> 03:33:31.543
from the 2020 PG&E
locate and mark sediments.

03:33:32.630 --> 03:33:33.580
Next slide, please.

03:33:39.301 --> 03:33:41.950
To give an overview of
my presentation today,

03:33:41.950 --> 03:33:44.710
I'll answer a few questions.

03:33:44.710 --> 03:33:48.370
What is a Locate and Mark program?

03:33:48.370 --> 03:33:50.383
What is a late Locate and Mark ticket?

03:33:51.340 --> 03:33:56.340
Then I'll be talking about
the OII timeline a little bit.

03:33:59.930 --> 03:34:04.003
I'll try to speak a little
louder to findings of facts,

03:34:05.170 --> 03:34:07.313
the OII decision and settlement.

03:34:08.730 --> 03:34:13.650
I'll talk about PG&E's
implementation of the required system

03:34:13.650 --> 03:34:15.093
enhancement initiatives,

03:34:16.000 --> 03:34:18.300
which were required
as part of the settlement.

03:34:19.850 --> 03:34:20.683
And finally,

03:34:20.683 --> 03:34:25.100
I'll talk about STDs oversight
of PG&Es implementation

03:34:25.100 --> 03:34:26.303
of those initiatives.

03:34:27.930 --> 03:34:28.763
Next slide.

03:34:32.830 --> 03:34:37.133
Okay. What is a Locate and Mark program?

03:34:38.390 --> 03:34:39.223
Okay.

03:34:39.223 --> 03:34:43.393
And mark program activities
are required under the federal

03:34:43.393 --> 03:34:45.610
gas safety regulations

03:34:46.470 --> 03:34:49.660
as well as California government code,

03:34:49.660 --> 03:34:53.270
which is required of all operators

03:34:53.270 --> 03:34:56.193
who operate subsurface installations.

03:34:57.030 --> 03:35:02.030
So we're thinking gas,
electric, water communications,

03:35:03.400 --> 03:35:04.233
et cetera.

03:35:05.590 --> 03:35:09.460
Some of the objectives of the
program include responding to

03:35:09.460 --> 03:35:13.893
requests to Locate and
Mark's subsurface installation,

03:35:15.120 --> 03:35:17.890
educating the public about the existence

03:35:17.890 --> 03:35:20.170
of the 811 program.

03:35:20.170 --> 03:35:24.900
So that's the program where
you call 811 before you dig.

03:35:24.900 --> 03:35:28.283
And that notifies the
operators to mark their facilities.

03:35:30.180 --> 03:35:35.080
The third objective is to protect
the public from excavation

03:35:35.080 --> 03:35:36.403
related damages.

03:35:37.780 --> 03:35:38.613
Next slide.

03:35:42.170 --> 03:35:44.240
What is a late Locate and Mark tickets

03:35:46.950 --> 03:35:51.950
when an excavator needs
facilities marked say, for example,

03:35:52.340 --> 03:35:54.710
they're replacing their water line.

03:35:54.710 --> 03:35:58.290
They want to know if there
are electric facilities or gas

03:35:58.290 --> 03:36:02.330
facilities nearby so that
when I dig in to install that

03:36:02.330 --> 03:36:03.970
water line,

03:36:03.970 --> 03:36:07.100
I want to make sure I can
locate the other facilities so

03:36:07.100 --> 03:36:08.323
that I don't hit them.

03:36:10.036 --> 03:36:12.440
But as the water company, I'll call 811

03:36:13.580 --> 03:36:16.870
and an operator, they, for example,

03:36:16.870 --> 03:36:21.870
gas and electric will have
to locate and field mark their

03:36:22.050 --> 03:36:26.490
facilities within that delineated area.

03:36:26.490 --> 03:36:27.993
Within two working days.

03:36:30.550 --> 03:36:32.620
If they can't do that,

03:36:32.620 --> 03:36:35.060
they have other options.
They can provide information.

03:36:35.060 --> 03:36:40.010
The excavator where the
active and inactive subsurface

03:36:40.010 --> 03:36:41.663
installations are located.

03:36:42.840 --> 03:36:47.840
They can also tell the
excavator that there are no

03:36:48.170 --> 03:36:52.113
subsurface installations
within that area.

03:36:53.540 --> 03:36:54.963
The operator failed.

03:36:56.230 --> 03:36:59.740
Just a question for
you. There is that timeline,

03:36:59.740 --> 03:37:04.280
ProPublica will just for the 48 hours,

03:37:04.280 --> 03:37:07.290
is that applied for
residential digs as well.

03:37:07.290 --> 03:37:11.753
And is that just for
commercial or business?

03:37:14.230 --> 03:37:19.230
This applies to every USA
ticket. So yes, it would not

03:37:21.460 --> 03:37:24.403
discriminate against
residential or commercial.

03:37:27.112 --> 03:37:28.053
It'll be two working
days across the board.

03:37:29.649 --> 03:37:33.410
Okay. Well, I'm sorry to say.

03:37:33.410 --> 03:37:34.650
I didn't make that mark.

03:37:34.650 --> 03:37:38.573
When my called date one
month live PG&E, I did have,

03:37:40.580 --> 03:37:45.580
I did some work here on my
property and water company came

03:37:46.180 --> 03:37:48.270
out and marked within that timeframe.

03:37:48.270 --> 03:37:50.893
Sewer came out and
marked within that timeframe,

03:37:51.910 --> 03:37:54.290
but PG&E did come out eventually,

03:37:54.290 --> 03:37:56.130
but it took them a little longer.

03:37:56.130 --> 03:38:00.840
So I just wondered
about that, but sorry, I just,

03:38:00.840 --> 03:38:02.720
sorry to cut you off there.

03:38:02.720 --> 03:38:03.820
Keep going.

03:38:03.820 --> 03:38:04.653
Oh right.

03:38:06.570 --> 03:38:08.113
That's interesting to hear.

03:38:11.070 --> 03:38:14.610
So if the operator fails to
mark within two working days

03:38:15.910 --> 03:38:19.810
or mutually agreed upon time later,

03:38:19.810 --> 03:38:23.003
that would constitute a late ticket.

03:38:25.110 --> 03:38:25.943
Next slide.

03:38:34.220 --> 03:38:37.320
I'll be talking about the OII timeline.

03:38:37.320 --> 03:38:39.080
In 2016 Faenza,

03:38:39.080 --> 03:38:43.280
which is the Federal
Pipeline Safety Authority

03:38:43.280 --> 03:38:47.790
notified SED that PG&E
had possibly falsified

03:38:47.790 --> 03:38:50.163
many of its Locate and Mark records.

03:38:51.990 --> 03:38:55.920
As a result, SED
conducted an investigation,

03:38:55.920 --> 03:38:59.820
conducted interviews and data requests

03:38:59.820 --> 03:39:02.883
to learn more about this situation.

03:39:04.110 --> 03:39:07.097
In 2018, PG&E sent a letter to SED,

03:39:08.460 --> 03:39:13.460
attaching an investigation
report by a consultant,

03:39:14.110 --> 03:39:17.670
and that report included some
facts and conclusions about

03:39:17.670 --> 03:39:22.670
the extent of inaccuracies in
PG&E Located and Mark program.

03:39:25.610 --> 03:39:28.408
Based on SEDs investigation,

03:39:28.408 --> 03:39:33.270
SED believed that PG&E
falsified several of its Locate

03:39:33.270 --> 03:39:36.843
and Mark tickets so that
they would not appear late.

03:39:38.940 --> 03:39:41.050
And finally, the
Commission opened an OII

03:39:42.440 --> 03:39:44.223
in December of 2018.

03:39:45.430 --> 03:39:46.263
Next slide.

03:39:53.060 --> 03:39:55.543
Here are some of
the OII findings of fact,

03:39:56.550 --> 03:40:01.550
the Commission found that
PG&E undercounted numerous late

03:40:01.990 --> 03:40:04.913
Located and Mark tickets
over a period of years,

03:40:06.519 --> 03:40:11.060
they reported a number
of inaccurate late Locate

03:40:11.060 --> 03:40:12.790
and Mark Tickets to the Commission

03:40:13.990 --> 03:40:17.940
and PG&E failed to provide adequate

03:40:17.940 --> 03:40:20.060
qualified electrical worker support

03:40:21.010 --> 03:40:23.643
for some of its Locate
and Mark activities.

03:40:25.220 --> 03:40:26.053
Next slide.

03:40:31.410 --> 03:40:33.663
The OII decision and settlement.

03:40:35.000 --> 03:40:37.370
In February of 2020,

03:40:37.370 --> 03:40:40.650
the Commission approved the settlement

03:40:40.650 --> 03:40:42.973
based on the violations
that I just mentioned.

03:40:44.980 --> 03:40:47.340
Some of the federal in
parties include PG&E,

03:40:48.360 --> 03:40:53.360
the Coalition of California
Utility Employees and SED.

03:40:55.570 --> 03:40:56.403
Next slide.

03:41:00.950 --> 03:41:05.680
As part of the settlement,
PG&E was required to pay

03:41:05.680 --> 03:41:10.600
110 million of which 66 million

03:41:11.800 --> 03:41:13.280
would be shareholder funded

03:41:13.280 --> 03:41:16.910
and would go towards gas and electric

03:41:16.910 --> 03:41:18.903
System Enhancement Initiatives,

03:41:20.160 --> 03:41:23.563
which I will talk about
later in this presentation.

03:41:25.090 --> 03:41:28.316
PG&E was also ordered to pay 44 million

03:41:28.316 --> 03:41:30.663
to the General Fund.

03:41:32.500 --> 03:41:34.090
The compliance audit period

03:41:34.090 --> 03:41:39.090
for some of the required
audits that PG&E consultants will

03:41:40.920 --> 03:41:45.920
be spearheading will take
place over a period of four years.

03:41:48.520 --> 03:41:49.470
Next slide, please.

03:41:55.060 --> 03:41:58.070
I'll be talking about PG&E
implementation of the system

03:41:58.070 --> 03:41:59.333
enhancement initiatives.

03:42:00.230 --> 03:42:03.713
These are required as
part of the settlement.

03:42:06.660 --> 03:42:09.830
The first...actually let me back up.

03:42:09.830 --> 03:42:12.633
There were nine Locate
and Mark focus proposals.

03:42:13.790 --> 03:42:16.790
And as of April of this year,

03:42:16.790 --> 03:42:19.533
PG&E has implemented five of those nine.

03:42:21.780 --> 03:42:23.548
PG&E, I'm sorry.

03:42:23.548 --> 03:42:28.548
SED has selected one
call concept as a third-party

03:42:28.720 --> 03:42:33.720
consultant to spearhead
the ticket timeliness audit.

03:42:33.760 --> 03:42:38.330
This is to make sure that
PG&E is reporting its tickets

03:42:38.330 --> 03:42:42.393
accurately and keeping adequate records.

03:42:44.010 --> 03:42:49.010
SED also selected another
consultant ICQ Professionals

03:42:49.520 --> 03:42:53.970
who will lead the Locate and
Mark field compliance audits.

03:42:53.970 --> 03:42:56.829
That is to make sure
that PG&E is conducting

03:42:56.829 --> 03:42:59.210
its field activities,

03:42:59.210 --> 03:43:02.810
following field procedures
and actually marketing

03:43:02.810 --> 03:43:05.113
its facilities on time.

03:43:06.850 --> 03:43:11.850
PG&E has also increased
its staffing or Locate and Mark

03:43:13.320 --> 03:43:17.193
staff as required by the settlement.

03:43:18.410 --> 03:43:22.520
PG&E has submitted written
requests for information

03:43:22.520 --> 03:43:27.480
to Dig Alert in USA North as required.

03:43:27.480 --> 03:43:31.943
And PG&E has reached out to new vendors,

03:43:32.803 --> 03:43:37.803
some of them who are accredited
in terms of Locate and Mark.

03:43:40.080 --> 03:43:41.030
Next slide, please.

03:43:45.084 --> 03:43:47.740
PG&E was also required-- Yes.

03:43:47.740 --> 03:43:48.710
Sorry.

03:43:48.710 --> 03:43:51.653
What is the augmentation
of the look versus at 319?

03:43:51.653 --> 03:43:54.193
The alimentation or is that the total?

03:43:58.240 --> 03:43:59.650
Let's
go back one slide.

03:43:59.650 --> 03:44:02.310
I think I know what
you're talking about.

03:44:05.284 --> 03:44:10.284
So the total required
as part of the settlement

03:44:10.350 --> 03:44:15.350
was that PG&E increase its
staffing to a minimum of 319,

03:44:17.730 --> 03:44:20.130
or it's Locate and Mark staff.

03:44:20.130 --> 03:44:22.810
And so including...

03:44:22.810 --> 03:44:24.963
they've increased their staffing.

03:44:26.050 --> 03:44:28.960
So they've gone 293 full-time employees,

03:44:28.960 --> 03:44:30.620
plus the 35 contractors,

03:44:30.620 --> 03:44:34.713
which will put them
over the 319 threshold.

03:44:37.093 --> 03:44:39.510
Do you know where
they were at and what the actual

03:44:39.510 --> 03:44:40.773
augmentation was?

03:44:42.790 --> 03:44:47.500
Were they at 250 and
they needed to get to 319?

03:44:47.500 --> 03:44:50.600
I'm just wondering if the
Delta is all the contractors,

03:44:50.600 --> 03:44:53.233
if they've actually hired
any additional in house.

03:44:54.520 --> 03:44:55.353
Oh, I see.

03:44:55.353 --> 03:44:56.655
Yes, the...

03:44:56.655 --> 03:44:58.940
I don't remember the full
time off the top of my head,

03:44:58.940 --> 03:45:03.580
but I do remember it was less than 293.

03:45:03.580 --> 03:45:06.797
I would, if I were to ballpark,
I think it was like 230,

03:45:07.680 --> 03:45:10.573
240, but I'd probably
have to check up on that.

03:45:11.610 --> 03:45:12.873
Okay. Thank you.

03:45:13.810 --> 03:45:14.643
Sure.

03:45:17.940 --> 03:45:19.023
Okay, next slide.

03:45:22.480 --> 03:45:27.480
PG&E was also required to
work on five qualified electric

03:45:28.520 --> 03:45:30.303
worker focused proposals.

03:45:31.420 --> 03:45:34.363
As of April, they
completed two of those five.

03:45:36.460 --> 03:45:41.460
PG&E updated its training
and delivered those materials

03:45:42.720 --> 03:45:47.720
to SED to review PG&E
developed and deployed additional

03:45:49.200 --> 03:45:53.343
training regarding electric locating.

03:45:54.460 --> 03:45:57.030
The two of the five
have been implemented,

03:45:57.030 --> 03:45:59.030
and three of the five are still pending.

03:45:59.890 --> 03:46:00.723
Next slide.

03:46:04.910 --> 03:46:09.170
PG&E was also required
to implement seven

03:46:09.170 --> 03:46:10.993
enterprise-wide proposals.

03:46:11.970 --> 03:46:14.563
All seven to date have been implemented.

03:46:16.440 --> 03:46:21.440
The first was to collect and assess

03:46:22.870 --> 03:46:24.610
and review information regarding

03:46:24.610 --> 03:46:27.260
its Reach Every Employee program.

03:46:27.260 --> 03:46:31.340
This is a program that
encourages their employees

03:46:31.340 --> 03:46:36.310
to speak up if they see or
experience any safety issues,

03:46:36.310 --> 03:46:41.310
any cultural issues or
a flag any ethics issues.

03:46:44.720 --> 03:46:47.750
PG&E also updated its website.

03:46:47.750 --> 03:46:50.963
They call it the Speak
Up Now website and app.

03:46:52.110 --> 03:46:53.503
So they've completed that.

03:46:55.720 --> 03:46:59.890
PG&E employees have also
participated in numerous surveys

03:47:01.410 --> 03:47:06.050
that is to learn about the
safety and the cultural issues

03:47:07.070 --> 03:47:12.070
that are going on at PG&E.

03:47:12.810 --> 03:47:17.610
Sorry, PGME as a
compliance and ethics group

03:47:18.640 --> 03:47:23.620
and they've been reviewing
the code of conduct violations

03:47:23.620 --> 03:47:25.500
that have been recorded at PG&E.

03:47:26.450 --> 03:47:29.883
And of course holding
those in violation accountable.

03:47:31.080 --> 03:47:31.913
Next slide.

03:47:37.500 --> 03:47:42.500
PG&E is updating its code of
conduct training and has also

03:47:43.570 --> 03:47:46.203
delivered those
materials to SED to review.

03:47:48.080 --> 03:47:53.080
PG&E has provided safe
raising safety concern training

03:47:55.630 --> 03:47:57.443
to its management team.

03:47:58.360 --> 03:48:01.157
And it has provided
those materials to SED.

03:48:04.003 --> 03:48:08.230
SED selected Conger &
Elsea to lead the compliance

03:48:08.230 --> 03:48:10.150
and ethics audits of PG&E.

03:48:11.483 --> 03:48:15.147
And that process has begun.

03:48:17.030 --> 03:48:17.863
Next slide.

03:48:21.550 --> 03:48:25.510
PG&E was ordered to
implement seven transparency

03:48:25.510 --> 03:48:26.973
and visibility measures;

03:48:28.490 --> 03:48:30.240
two of which have been implemented.

03:48:32.600 --> 03:48:37.600
PG&E will cooperate with
SEDs requests or any root cause

03:48:37.990 --> 03:48:41.913
analysis for any information
requests of that nature,

03:48:45.240 --> 03:48:46.203
and SED...

03:48:47.530 --> 03:48:51.320
I'm sorry, the Commission
asked PG&E to provide SED

03:48:51.320 --> 03:48:53.440
some training materials,

03:48:53.440 --> 03:48:57.857
which PG&E developed and
provided those materials to SED.

03:48:59.990 --> 03:49:00.940
Next slide, please.

03:49:05.245 --> 03:49:08.093
Just a quick timeline of SEDs oversight.

03:49:09.360 --> 03:49:11.499
In August of 2020,

03:49:11.499 --> 03:49:14.990
SED selected Conger
& Elsea as I mentioned,

03:49:14.990 --> 03:49:19.990
they will lead the Compliance
and Ethics audit of PG&E

03:49:22.620 --> 03:49:26.620
that is to learn more about
PG&Es Compliance and Ethics

03:49:26.620 --> 03:49:31.113
program and offer recommendations.

03:49:32.620 --> 03:49:34.277
In October of 2020,

03:49:34.277 --> 03:49:39.140
SED selected One Call Concept to lead

03:49:39.140 --> 03:49:42.440
the Locate and Marks compliance audits,

03:49:42.440 --> 03:49:45.120
that is to make sure that PG&E

03:49:45.120 --> 03:49:48.980
is documenting and recording

03:49:48.980 --> 03:49:52.643
its Locate and Mark ticket
information accurately.

03:49:54.270 --> 03:49:56.920
SED also selected ICQ professionals

03:49:58.282 --> 03:49:59.710
to locate the field audit.

03:49:59.710 --> 03:50:04.580
And that is to make sure PG&E
follows their field procedures

03:50:04.580 --> 03:50:07.820
and actually marks
or facilities accurately

03:50:07.820 --> 03:50:09.103
and on time.

03:50:10.880 --> 03:50:11.713
In January,

03:50:11.713 --> 03:50:16.700
we reviewed the proposed
methodologies and we approved them.

03:50:18.770 --> 03:50:21.053
In February, PG&E made a request.

03:50:22.160 --> 03:50:25.223
One of their consultants
wanted to reach out to exponent,

03:50:26.290 --> 03:50:29.630
to help with developing
some of their sampling

03:50:29.630 --> 03:50:32.570
methodologies, SED reviewed it,

03:50:32.570 --> 03:50:34.563
and we approved that request.

03:50:36.010 --> 03:50:36.960
Next slide, please.

03:50:41.950 --> 03:50:45.483
In April of this year, about
a month and a half ago,

03:50:47.100 --> 03:50:51.453
SED received PG&E first
Locate and Mark annual report.

03:50:52.490 --> 03:50:56.050
As part of the decision,
PG&E is to provide us this

03:50:56.050 --> 03:51:00.837
report annually to update
us on their progress with

03:51:02.250 --> 03:51:05.113
implementing these System
Enhancement Initiatives.

03:51:06.020 --> 03:51:10.750
So we received their
first annual report in April.

03:51:10.750 --> 03:51:15.740
We reviewed that report
and we crosschecked

03:51:15.740 --> 03:51:20.740
PG&E's compliance with
all of those ordered initiatives,

03:51:22.210 --> 03:51:24.783
which I just mentioned
in my previous slides.

03:51:26.200 --> 03:51:27.150
Next slide, please.

03:51:30.670 --> 03:51:35.560
So we will, in SED, we will
continue to review PG&E's

03:51:35.560 --> 03:51:38.620
annual report as we receive them,

03:51:38.620 --> 03:51:43.110
they will also be submitting
us semi-annual reports.

03:51:43.110 --> 03:51:48.110
So twice a year on some of
those required audits that we're

03:51:48.130 --> 03:51:51.910
going to be led by those third
party consultants that were

03:51:51.910 --> 03:51:56.910
selected by SED to make sure
our PG&E is doing exactly what

03:51:58.400 --> 03:52:02.390
they're supposed to do,
which is following the required

03:52:02.390 --> 03:52:04.570
Locate and Mark procedures,

03:52:04.570 --> 03:52:07.270
and recording their Locate and Mark

03:52:07.270 --> 03:52:10.883
ticket documentation accurately.

03:52:12.410 --> 03:52:14.810
So with that, I'll open
it up for any questions.

03:52:19.090 --> 03:52:20.393
Yes, Commissioner Houck.

03:52:21.300 --> 03:52:24.300
I just wanted to thank you
very much for the presentation.

03:52:24.300 --> 03:52:25.460
It was very informative.

03:52:25.460 --> 03:52:27.830
I have to leave at 2:30,

03:52:27.830 --> 03:52:29.550
so I just wanted the
record to note that,

03:52:29.550 --> 03:52:31.490
but also to thank you
for the presentation

03:52:31.490 --> 03:52:33.733
before I leave the meeting.

03:52:35.960 --> 03:52:36.793
Okay, great.

03:52:36.793 --> 03:52:37.910
Thank you, Commissioner.

03:52:41.540 --> 03:52:42.474
Yeah.

03:52:42.474 --> 03:52:44.721
(crosstalk)

03:52:44.721 --> 03:52:49.010
John, I have a question for
you that may bear on the seven

03:52:49.010 --> 03:52:52.873
enterprise wide initiatives
that you talked about.

03:52:54.660 --> 03:52:56.570
This may have been
incorporated in what you said,

03:52:56.570 --> 03:53:00.910
although I couldn't really
tell what are the problems that

03:53:00.910 --> 03:53:04.020
the Locate and Mark
investigation uncovered

03:53:04.020 --> 03:53:05.510
was that there was

03:53:05.510 --> 03:53:10.510
a lot of pressure on PG&E
staff to inaccurately close

03:53:12.110 --> 03:53:16.660
requests or falsify data
because there was pressure from

03:53:16.660 --> 03:53:20.970
upper management
to not report late tickets.

03:53:20.970 --> 03:53:22.720
So as a result,

03:53:22.720 --> 03:53:27.140
employees did inappropriate
and illegal things in order to

03:53:27.140 --> 03:53:30.370
ensure that they didn't
report any late tickets.

03:53:30.370 --> 03:53:35.370
What among these measures
is getting at that this behavior?

03:53:38.560 --> 03:53:39.420
Thank you, Commissioner.

03:53:39.420 --> 03:53:41.980
That's a great question.

03:53:41.980 --> 03:53:46.980
I think one of the measures
to combat that is to increase

03:53:47.240 --> 03:53:52.240
staffing, that way you have
the required amount of staff

03:53:53.200 --> 03:53:56.610
that can actually handle the
workload instead of people just

03:53:56.610 --> 03:54:00.033
rushing and falsifying records.

03:54:01.000 --> 03:54:06.000
Another thing is the third-party
consultants who will look

03:54:06.920 --> 03:54:11.920
into PG&E Compliance and
Ethics program to see how PG&E

03:54:12.120 --> 03:54:14.630
encourages people to speak up

03:54:14.630 --> 03:54:18.420
when they see somebody
doing something non ethical,

03:54:18.420 --> 03:54:23.420
such as falsifying records
or marking things as complete

03:54:24.830 --> 03:54:27.280
when they're really not complete.

03:54:27.280 --> 03:54:32.280
So those are two of the
things that the Commission

03:54:32.420 --> 03:54:35.423
has required PG&E to work on.

03:54:36.380 --> 03:54:41.250
And one of the consultants
is also working on an audit

03:54:41.250 --> 03:54:45.680
to ensure that PG&E is
not falsifying those records.

03:54:45.680 --> 03:54:49.740
So they will be reviewing a
large sample of those records

03:54:51.160 --> 03:54:53.380
from cradle to grave to see

03:54:53.380 --> 03:54:55.030
that they're not being falsified.

03:54:58.610 --> 03:54:59.443
Thank you.

03:55:02.373 --> 03:55:03.730
I have a question,
(indistinct).

03:55:03.730 --> 03:55:08.730
And not sure whether
you're able to sort of answer

03:55:10.040 --> 03:55:12.960
this right now, but are you...

03:55:12.960 --> 03:55:17.960
Are we getting periodic reports
from some of the folks that

03:55:18.490 --> 03:55:19.323
are auditing?

03:55:19.323 --> 03:55:23.389
Is there any updates that
we get on a regular basis that

03:55:23.389 --> 03:55:27.100
shows us that they are
making improvements?

03:55:27.100 --> 03:55:29.930
Or we won't know that
until the audits are complete.

03:55:29.930 --> 03:55:32.767
Is there any kind of
periodic update that we get?

03:55:33.948 --> 03:55:35.200
Yes.

03:55:35.200 --> 03:55:39.230
So the consultants and
PG&E are required to give us

03:55:39.230 --> 03:55:41.400
semi-annual updates.

03:55:41.400 --> 03:55:46.390
So these are twice a year
updates for the three different

03:55:46.390 --> 03:55:49.520
audits, they will be
providing those twice a year.

03:55:49.520 --> 03:55:50.510
So once we get those,

03:55:50.510 --> 03:55:55.510
we will review them and make
sure that PG&E is on track with

03:55:56.300 --> 03:55:57.763
meeting its initiatives.

03:56:00.530 --> 03:56:03.910
Okay, nothing except
for those, of course,

03:56:03.910 --> 03:56:07.723
those will be our check-ins
with how things are going.

03:56:08.940 --> 03:56:10.250
You don't have to wait on the end.

03:56:10.250 --> 03:56:11.320
Okay.

03:56:11.320 --> 03:56:12.840
That's correct.

03:56:12.840 --> 03:56:14.230
Okay, thank you.

03:56:14.230 --> 03:56:16.430
And thanks for your what to do.

03:56:19.307 --> 03:56:21.640
(crosstalk)

03:56:23.178 --> 03:56:24.227
I just wanted to thank Karen.

03:56:24.227 --> 03:56:27.290
Thank you, Jess for the overview,

03:56:27.290 --> 03:56:32.260
the excellent PowerPoint is
five and it shows the overall

03:56:32.260 --> 03:56:36.220
effort, very little plus biggest effort,

03:56:36.220 --> 03:56:38.020
including the art sets in the back,

03:56:38.020 --> 03:56:43.020
just spoke up and your August 24, 2020s

03:56:43.502 --> 03:56:48.502
unless it's late February
efforts to really make sure that

03:56:51.020 --> 03:56:53.100
there are some third party efforts to

03:56:53.100 --> 03:56:54.480
help keep track.

03:56:55.691 --> 03:56:57.141
PG&E keep truck of its truck.

03:56:58.070 --> 03:57:01.740
And it's so important because
of course the consequences of

03:57:01.740 --> 03:57:04.610
not marking properly are horrendous.

03:57:05.501 --> 03:57:07.340
Okay. Thank you very
much for all the answers.

03:57:10.120 --> 03:57:12.357
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma.

03:57:13.583 --> 03:57:14.580
Thanks.

03:57:14.580 --> 03:57:17.613
Do you have have a
sensor or any of these items.

03:57:19.820 --> 03:57:22.160
Maybe not these guys,
are there any efforts to look

03:57:22.160 --> 03:57:25.150
at the proportionality,

03:57:25.150 --> 03:57:29.020
particularly like on the
workforce issue that PG&E has

03:57:29.020 --> 03:57:33.460
in relation to SoCalGas
and their timeliness

03:57:33.460 --> 03:57:35.360
and accountability on Locate and Mark.

03:57:36.365 --> 03:57:40.240
Have you looked at them
kind of how they relate

03:57:40.240 --> 03:57:45.240
to each other to see if there
is really fast discrepancies

03:57:45.550 --> 03:57:46.383
or?

03:57:50.500 --> 03:57:51.333
Thanks, Commissioner.

03:57:51.333 --> 03:57:53.080
That's a great question.

03:57:53.080 --> 03:57:58.080
I don't believe we conducted
an analysis like that.

03:57:59.727 --> 03:58:00.560
The OHI,

03:58:01.500 --> 03:58:06.280
the focus of this OII was
PG&E and their short staff

03:58:06.280 --> 03:58:07.623
and their shortcomings,

03:58:08.530 --> 03:58:11.230
but that is definitely a great
question and something that

03:58:11.230 --> 03:58:12.780
we should definitely look into.

03:58:14.492 --> 03:58:15.850
Okay. Yeah.

03:58:15.850 --> 03:58:16.683
It's helpful.

03:58:16.683 --> 03:58:18.220
Even just for the perspective, you know,

03:58:18.220 --> 03:58:22.540
we had a totally separate
gas issue actually with the gas

03:58:22.540 --> 03:58:25.958
companies, SoCalGas
and they were taking,

03:58:25.958 --> 03:58:28.440
I don't know if you guys
remember for a really long time

03:58:28.440 --> 03:58:32.500
to reconnect folks who
live in disconnected,

03:58:32.500 --> 03:58:34.270
even after they paid,

03:58:34.270 --> 03:58:37.830
they were taking like two
weeks and it was really helpful

03:58:37.830 --> 03:58:40.310
to look at PG&Es practice in that regard

03:58:40.310 --> 03:58:42.830
'cause PG&E was like reconnecting people

03:58:42.830 --> 03:58:44.223
in like 24 hours.

03:58:45.310 --> 03:58:49.030
And so it got, you know,
and interestingly enough,

03:58:49.030 --> 03:58:51.823
when we looked at
the proportional labor,

03:58:53.775 --> 03:58:57.270
it didn't seem to be
that much of a difference.

03:58:57.270 --> 03:58:59.670
So sometimes else
was a little low on it, but,

03:58:59.670 --> 03:59:03.080
it wasn't necessarily the
driver, it was more of the,

03:59:03.080 --> 03:59:08.080
you know, little
prioritization, but anyhow,

03:59:08.270 --> 03:59:09.923
I just have mean be,

03:59:09.923 --> 03:59:14.923
get to just have that relativity
to know how we're doing

03:59:15.510 --> 03:59:16.743
Statewide anyway.

03:59:19.830 --> 03:59:22.320
Anyway, thank you for the option.

03:59:22.320 --> 03:59:25.960
Yeah, it's very good to
see some progress here.

03:59:25.960 --> 03:59:27.110
And of course,

03:59:27.110 --> 03:59:31.500
as everyone has mentioned
already the need for continuing

03:59:31.500 --> 03:59:35.940
monitoring and my little
anecdote concern that (laughs)

03:59:35.940 --> 03:59:39.723
fortunately I wasn't in any
sort of urgency, but it was,

03:59:41.410 --> 03:59:45.490
I did call them and they
will responsive after that,

03:59:45.490 --> 03:59:47.673
about a week and a half or something,

03:59:50.496 --> 03:59:51.840
but that's just one anecdote.

03:59:51.840 --> 03:59:54.740
So I think the audit will be
more important than for sure.

03:59:56.900 --> 03:59:58.420
Thanks, Commissioner.

04:00:04.547 --> 04:00:06.030
Okay.

04:00:06.030 --> 04:00:07.910
If you have any other
questions in the future,

04:00:07.910 --> 04:00:10.130
feel free to shoot me an email.

04:00:10.130 --> 04:00:11.750
Yes?

04:00:11.750 --> 04:00:15.470
I just wanted to say thank
you again for your presentation

04:00:16.380 --> 04:00:17.620
and all your hard work.

04:00:18.838 --> 04:00:20.260
That's really appreciate
it was my pleasure.

04:00:20.260 --> 04:00:21.460
Thank you for having me.

04:00:22.380 --> 04:00:23.213
Thank you.

04:00:24.900 --> 04:00:29.900
Okay. And thank you also,
Rachel, if you're still online.

04:00:33.840 --> 04:00:37.430
I'm still here, thanks for
the chance to present today.

04:00:37.430 --> 04:00:38.470
Okay, great.

04:00:38.470 --> 04:00:39.763
Thank you so much.

04:00:41.580 --> 04:00:45.210
So moving on back into our agenda,

04:00:45.210 --> 04:00:49.800
there is no report for item 37,

04:00:49.800 --> 04:00:53.560
which is a management report
on administrative activities.

04:00:53.560 --> 04:00:57.610
So we will now move to
the Commissioner's report.

04:00:57.610 --> 04:01:00.353
And as I always do,
who would like to go first?

04:01:01.390 --> 04:01:02.860
Any hands up?

04:01:02.860 --> 04:01:06.570
Yes, Commissioner Guzman (indistinct)

04:01:06.570 --> 04:01:07.597
Thank you, President Batjer.

04:01:07.597 --> 04:01:10.590
I just have two small things.

04:01:10.590 --> 04:01:14.420
One is to share that as you may recall,

04:01:14.420 --> 04:01:18.030
from last August when Governor
Newsome issued his executive

04:01:18.030 --> 04:01:23.010
order on broadband, we were
directed to do a few things.

04:01:23.010 --> 04:01:25.720
And one of those items was to optimize

04:01:25.720 --> 04:01:28.757
the electric utility infrastructure.

04:01:28.757 --> 04:01:31.340
We're really getting, you know,

04:01:31.340 --> 04:01:36.170
those middle and last mile
service to Californians that are

04:01:36.170 --> 04:01:37.810
still lacking them.

04:01:37.810 --> 04:01:40.710
And we will be having a
workshop that utilities will be

04:01:40.710 --> 04:01:44.052
hosting a workshop June 30th.

04:01:44.052 --> 04:01:47.840
So I do invite you all to
participate in that where they

04:01:47.840 --> 04:01:51.410
have been ordered to
present proposals for this,

04:01:51.410 --> 04:01:53.493
for meeting this executive mandate.

04:01:55.110 --> 04:01:58.100
And secondly, in that same proceeding,

04:01:58.100 --> 04:02:01.196
one of the other elements
that we charged to look at was

04:02:01.196 --> 04:02:04.470
really everything we could do to get

04:02:04.470 --> 04:02:06.520
all Californians served.

04:02:06.520 --> 04:02:09.850
I did just issue a ruling last Friday,

04:02:09.850 --> 04:02:14.850
publishing and requesting
comments on a series of studies

04:02:15.160 --> 04:02:20.160
from USC, Communication
Workers, Red Lining, excuse me,

04:02:20.207 --> 04:02:25.207
Greenlining on the issue of
red lining and what has resulted

04:02:26.520 --> 04:02:30.730
unfortunately, in areas of disinvestment

04:02:30.730 --> 04:02:35.730
across the state and the
demographics are very unfortunate.

04:02:36.420 --> 04:02:38.430
So, that is also also comment.

04:02:38.430 --> 04:02:42.533
And of course the question
is what can we do about it?

04:02:43.650 --> 04:02:48.650
And then, finally I wanted to
share that and think my intern

04:02:49.200 --> 04:02:53.760
that I had this spring semester
from the Goldman school of

04:02:53.760 --> 04:02:58.410
public policy, it's a master's
programs here in Berkeley.

04:02:58.410 --> 04:03:00.020
Her name is Anna Nicona.

04:03:00.020 --> 04:03:03.840
Anna has been a huge help in our office.

04:03:03.840 --> 04:03:08.220
I think got involved in
anything COVID related that had

04:03:08.220 --> 04:03:12.310
anticipated in terms of
helping folks with the broadband

04:03:12.310 --> 04:03:16.403
needs, helping
troubleshoot many new suits.

04:03:18.800 --> 04:03:22.210
And how I hope to actually
meet her physically in person

04:03:22.210 --> 04:03:24.650
for the first time next week.

04:03:24.650 --> 04:03:26.460
So I'm very excited about that.

04:03:26.460 --> 04:03:30.210
She completed her project
analysis was on closing

04:03:30.210 --> 04:03:33.120
the digital divide to
equity and inclusion,

04:03:33.120 --> 04:03:36.300
achieving broad down for all California.

04:03:36.300 --> 04:03:39.850
I will be posting that on my
Commissioner website for you.

04:03:39.850 --> 04:03:41.340
It's a great read.

04:03:41.340 --> 04:03:44.540
And she incorporated many
of the case studies that she got

04:03:44.540 --> 04:03:45.750
to work on.

04:03:45.750 --> 04:03:46.600
As you all know,

04:03:46.600 --> 04:03:50.080
we all get calls on these
cases and what she did so

04:03:50.080 --> 04:03:54.450
eloquently with tying
it to the policy solution.

04:03:54.450 --> 04:03:58.530
And so invite you all to read
that and everyone to read it.

04:03:58.530 --> 04:04:03.530
She was anyhow, she's
a tremendous asset.

04:04:03.850 --> 04:04:06.380
I wish we could hire her here
and hope that she considered

04:04:06.380 --> 04:04:07.373
working at the PEC.

04:04:08.340 --> 04:04:10.525
And she's a native from Arizona.

04:04:10.525 --> 04:04:13.090
And if not here, maybe over in Arizona,

04:04:13.090 --> 04:04:16.240
but thank you so much
Anna for your service.

04:04:16.240 --> 04:04:18.343
And I wish you the best of luck.

04:04:19.210 --> 04:04:20.043
Thank you.

04:04:23.815 --> 04:04:25.580
And who would
like to speak next,

04:04:25.580 --> 04:04:27.433
if there are any other reports?

04:04:29.930 --> 04:04:31.410
Okay.

04:04:31.410 --> 04:04:33.890
I do not have a report today either.

04:04:33.890 --> 04:04:38.660
So I think we are finished
with the management reports,

04:04:38.660 --> 04:04:42.940
excuse me, the Commissioners reports.

04:04:42.940 --> 04:04:45.750
So with no further reports,

04:04:45.750 --> 04:04:48.633
this public meeting is now adjourned.