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Maybe you can just
kind of put that a little bit
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more information in the chat.
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It's helpful for us to kind
of understand where,
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where everyone is in
the spectrum of things.
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Monica, are you gonna
be monitoring the chat
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during the (indistinct)?
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Yeah, I will be, and I
can respond to some
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and then I will try to weave
in things from time to time.
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If y'all wanna like call me out
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and I can try to pull up the
things that seem most relevant.
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That would be helpful.
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Great.
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I will address
this one out loud.
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This is the question is, will
we have any Commissioners
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or ALJs in this breakout?
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I want to be mindful of ex parte.
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So you may, I don't know for sure.
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And I'll keep checking
the participant list to see
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if particularly Commissioners
joined as well as ALJs,
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but for now, we're not
really gonna be talking,
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too much about specific
proceeding details.
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I'm just telling everybody to be mindful
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to try to keep the
conversation at a level
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that we don't run into ex parte issues.
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But I will try to flag
if that's an issue,
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but we're trying to make sure
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that we don't go
tread into that territory.
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Great.
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Matt, I think we could
go ahead and get started.
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Sure.
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So the, the goal of our session today
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is really to get a
potential new action items
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for the environmental and
social justice action plan update,
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which the CPUC intends
to take the further principles
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of Environmental and Social Justice.
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So that's the main goal
for today is really to focus
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on how we can incorporate
new new aspects
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of this with transportation
and rail safety.
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We hope to make this as much
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of an interactive
discussion as possible.
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Okay.
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So Matt, I'll take it from here.
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Okay.
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So thank you
everybody for joining
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it looks like there's a
few people still trickling in
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but we wanted to
start with a little bit of
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just brief self introduction
and introduction to our work
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in transportation and rail at CPUC,
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and really focus some Q and
A and discussion with you all
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on the phone about how we think
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about Environmental and Social Justice
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through the lens of transportation
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and rail safety work.
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I did want to take a
moment to see if that poll
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the poll has been running.
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We are just really eager
to kind of get a sense
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of our audience, because
we won't be able to see
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all of your faces today to
know kind of the breadth
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of where folks are coming from.
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And see we've pulled
up some results here,
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and we have quite a nice
spread across internal staff,
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community-based organizations
other government agencies
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at multiple local and state level
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and some policy and
advocacy organizations.
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So that's great.
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I'm glad we'll, hopefully
that'll lead to quite a rich
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and diverse discussion
when we get there.
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Thank you for responding.
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So I wanted to just start
with a brief self-introduction.
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My name is Terra Curtis.
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I joined CPUC in December of last year
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so I'm about two
months into this new role
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as the supervisor of our
transportation analysis group.
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And I came to the PUC after
early in my career about a year
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working with the City of
San Francisco with SFMTA.
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But at most recently I
spent the last eight years
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in transportation
consulting, working with cities
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and transit agencies,
community-based organizations
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regional governments, mobility providers
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all kinds of other organizations
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working to solve
transportation challenges
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across the region and state,
and sometimes nationally.
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And in that role really took
on a very people-centric
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or customer-centric
view of transportation.
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And in this new role, I
work within the PUCs,
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Consumer Protection and
Enforcement Division or CPED.
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And CPED serves multiple functions,
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but what I'm involved with is
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the passenger transportation
side of our division
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which oversees for
higher passenger carriers
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like limousines, airport shuttles,
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chartered, and scheduled bus services,
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transportation network companies,
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autonomous vehicles, and ferries.
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So as a policy supervisor,
I lead a team of analysts
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currently working on
programs related to accessible
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on demand, transportation,
piloting and deployment
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of autonomous vehicles,
reducing greenhouse gas emissions
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in the transportation network company,
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fleet like Uber and Lyft,
and really managing the loads
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of data we receive from those companies.
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So as someone who's worked
in transportation for a while
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I really appreciate
the broad intersections
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of our work with
environmental and social justice.
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And it's really this breadth of impact
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that transportation can have
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that draws me to it as a
profession in the first place.
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So some of the key transportation
issues that have come up
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for us from a ESJ
perspective include safety.
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Safety is really key at PUC,
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but safety for travelers
of all ages and abilities
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is a big focus in all of our work.
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Accessibility and we talked
this morning about definitions
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and really how to define accessibility
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and how to increase it.
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Transportation for limited
income communities
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and tribal communities and
transportation industry impacts
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on low-wage labor.
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Vehicle emissions and
reversing disproportionate impacts
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of past transportation
decisions on communities of color
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and ensuring access
to opportunity like jobs
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and schools and services.
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So I'm very excited to have
you all here in the breadth
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of experience that you
bring to get into a discussion
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and hear from you today.
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But first, I'm gonna
ask Matt to give a little
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introduction of himself
and his work as well.
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Thanks Terra.
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So I, my name is Matthew Bond.
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I'm the Supervisor in the Rail Crossings
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and Engineering Branch
of the Rail Safety Division
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and been at the CPUC
now for almost eight years,
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four years in the Rail Crossings Group.
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Specifically, my group handles
the safety of rail crossings,
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both new and existing.
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We handle quite a bit of
the planning side of things,
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the CPUC has to
approve all new crossings.
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So that includes quite a
bit of of the planning side of
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especially rail transit agencies,
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as they build out their systems.
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We've worked extensively with LA Metro
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on the expansion of their system
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and the in on the planning side of how,
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how and where to do that.
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Most recently,
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the Environmental and
Social Justice Action Plan
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has been included in those proceedings.
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So all applicants now have to answer
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how those new projects meet the goals
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of the ESJ Action Plan.
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So it's an interesting
field that we're going into.
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Yeah, that's kind of the general idea.
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Excellent.
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Okay, well, I think we'll
move into some discussion
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and Q and A and we've structured,
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we've prepared a few
questions to prompt everybody
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with that, Matt and I will be asking
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but I think also we're really interested
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in a fluid dialogue.
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So to the extent that time allows,
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feel free to raise other
issues or questions.
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So I wanted to start kind of
at the top and very big picture
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and broad and pose the question to you,
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just how can we help?
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With, given what you
know, either from following
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or being involved with our proceedings
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in our jurisdiction, our type of work?
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Really what's on your wishlist
for PUC to support your work
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in Environmental and Social Justice?
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And Monica are we going to monitor?
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Are we gonna be reading
aloud from the chat?
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Or taking folks off mute?
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Yeah, I mean, if you
wanna prioritize folks
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that have raised hands
and then I can also feed in
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from the chat.
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So we can check for
hands first and if not,
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I can read at least one thing
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that's come in through the chat.
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Okay.
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See any raised hands yet?
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Yeah.
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So in, from Matthew George,
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any efforts underway to
change the calculation for Cal?
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I think streets and highways one 90
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to prioritize grade
separation so that pedestrians
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are given more importance.
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So going right to the thick of it.
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Wow, that is very specific.
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(Matt, Monica laughing)
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But yes, there's actually
has been some discussion
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about how to prioritize
a number different issues
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with Section 190.
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There's, I have not heard
yet anything about pedestrians
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but we're certainly open to that idea.
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But other issues that we've talked
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about are blocked crossings
and just general thoughts
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about how to include
issues of communities
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in the Section 190 process.
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And for those of you who
might not know Section 190
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is a state funded program
that provides money
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for grade separations of
existing at grade crossings.
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And the CPUC handles the priority list
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for that program.
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I think you have a
Matthew George's hand up
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and then George from
IT, if we could unmute him
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and he could Xme.
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Oh yeah, of course.
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Yeah, Matthew, so I'm
sending you a request
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to unmute right now.
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Or actually, well ,there you go here.
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You're are unmuted actually, here we go.
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And thank you, I'm sorry.
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I didn't mean to put you on the spot
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and go straight into the weed.
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But there's some issues-
No problem.
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That come
up with the rail crossing.
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I mean, one is that we
don't have this sort of issue
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of redlining and reparations
because by and large
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the railroad alignments were built first
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and then the communities
were kind of forced to them.
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But just from a philosophical,
crackle, legal perspective
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you have jurisdiction over
the crossing real danger
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with the homeless encampments
seems to be longitudinal.
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And so, is the Commission
taking any steps to sort of
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clarify how far the reach
that crossing jurisdiction is?
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Does that make sense?
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It does.
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I mean, there's some issues
with federal preemption there
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with things beyond the
crossings themselves.
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I don't think that the
Commission at this point
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is looking at any broadening
of that, the state authority
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if that answers your
question a little bit.
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Yes, thank you.
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I mean, I, yes, it does.
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And we can talk more some other time.
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Okay, great.
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But yes, there's
definitely been some talk
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about changing some of
the issues with Section 190.
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Okay.
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I don't see any other
questions in the chat.
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Let's see if we've got,
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we have another hand
raised here, Charles Mason.
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George, could you unmute Charles?
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Of course,
actually there we go, yeah.
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I can unmute myself.
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So I'm with the Public
Utilities Commission
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for those that don't know.
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And I work in the news and outreach area
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doing local government
and community outreach.
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But it, my questions
goes around the data
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around the TNCs, Uber and Lyft, right?
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And so one of the
coalitions that I'm working
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with addressing race
equity at the Commission
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there's been interest in
terms of what the TNC data
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that we get every year,
how we can look at it?
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In terms of geographically, right?
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Have we broken down that day to look at
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where there issues around
where pickups are happening?
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Or other incidents that
are happening within that?
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How have we done that?
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'Cause that that kind
of visual spatial data
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can be very helpful in understanding,
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is there discrimination
happening in terms of
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how TNCs are operating?
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And I know other states
and cities have actually taken
00:17:03.100 --> 00:17:07.200
that data from Uber, Lyft
and other related TNCs
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and used it to try to work with them
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and how are we doing that?
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How are we progressing
with that in California?
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Yeah. Great.
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Thanks for that question, Charles.
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You're absolutely right.
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We collect a lot of data from the TNCs.
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And just to give a
quick bit of background,
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there was a regulatory jurisdiction
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and regulatory program
over the TNCs was established
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in 2012 and on an annual
basis, we collect very
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disaggregated data from
all the TNCs in the state.
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And our team is responsible
for managing, cleaning
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and analyzing that data
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and using it to inform our policy work.
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And actually for anyone
who's really interested
00:17:58.830 --> 00:18:03.770
in this stuff, the templates
that we request data
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from the TNCs with
are also available online,
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so you can see specifically
what fields of data we collect.
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We to answer your
question about the analysis
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that we've done to look at
trip activity and geolocation
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and different kind of
behaviors of the TNCs,
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that's something that
since I came on board
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I've become aware of
some ongoing analysis
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that our staff had started
before I came on board
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and we are working to
advance that internally
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for the time being.
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And really this is getting
at some of our own
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some of our own questions
to advance our approach
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to policymaking, but also
in response to questions
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that we get through the
context of the proceeding
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or coming from the Commissioner's office
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or other internal stakeholders.
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So there's nothing, there's
been very little publicized
00:19:06.320 --> 00:19:10.670
in terms of the analysis on
that data since about 2015.
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I think that was the last time
a real comprehensive look
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at the full data set was
made public, but it's definitely
00:19:19.660 --> 00:19:24.660
a priority of mine and my
teams to mine that vast data set
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we have and be more
intelligent about the patterns
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that we see emerging.
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What are the problems?
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How does it correlate with
conditions on the ground?
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Or the demographic
information in terms of
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where the trip activity
is, or is being denied?
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So, yeah, it's a very rich
data set, we could ask
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almost infinite amount of
questions by looking at it,
00:19:53.120 --> 00:19:57.508
but hopefully within this
year we'll be able to share
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more detailed response to your question.
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Okay, and then just
real quick to help Matt out
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on a little bit of that last question
00:20:06.490 --> 00:20:10.080
'cause I deal with a
lot of rail safety issues
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and I just, the one strategy
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that the Business of Community
Outreach team has done
00:20:15.595 --> 00:20:16.970
and we've done this in partnership
00:20:16.970 --> 00:20:19.570
with Roger Clugston, the
Head of the Rail Safety Division
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and others.
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Is initially when there was
a lot of issues happening,
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we've had this a lot
in the Stockton area,
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and what I did was I brought in,
00:20:29.809 --> 00:20:32.100
(indistinct) community-based org
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and other entities in the region
00:20:37.090 --> 00:20:40.210
to have a dialogue
and this included fire
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and police and others,
because of all the multiple issues
00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:45.540
that happen around
the rail safety issues
00:20:45.540 --> 00:20:49.750
with mostly homeless
encampments around those areas.
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And I found that in some areas
00:20:52.490 --> 00:20:54.150
you have a lot of
communication happening.
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I think Fresno has a little bit more
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than other parts of the state
and other areas you have,
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and Stockton was kind of fragmented,
00:21:00.610 --> 00:21:05.490
but it is an effective tool that
kind of helps us get around
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a little bit of the restrictions
of what we can do
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around the enforcement
area but also maybe helping
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spur dialogue in the region,
00:21:13.630 --> 00:21:17.340
so others that have different
enforcement, regulatory
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legal requirements to
address those issues.
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So that's just an example of
a way that we can get creative
00:21:26.520 --> 00:21:29.630
to help address some of
the issues that are happening
00:21:29.630 --> 00:21:32.403
around homelessness
around rail encampment.
00:21:35.830 --> 00:21:37.530
Yeah, thank you for that.
00:21:39.950 --> 00:21:40.783
Great.
00:21:41.797 --> 00:21:43.590
Matt, I do see one more question,
00:21:43.590 --> 00:21:44.610
that's come in through the chat
00:21:44.610 --> 00:21:46.593
that I think is best directed to you.
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Any discussion about
allowing rubber tire vehicles
00:21:51.110 --> 00:21:52.220
on rail lines?
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For example, I have
seen on the internet,
00:21:54.310 --> 00:21:57.940
small bus-like vehicles
that travel on both rail lines
00:21:57.940 --> 00:22:01.373
and on streets, and that
came from Arnold San Miguel.
00:22:05.800 --> 00:22:08.530
I'm not aware of any
discussion at the Commission
00:22:08.530 --> 00:22:13.530
or with any of the rail
owners about allowing that.
00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:19.800
But it's an interesting idea
00:22:24.210 --> 00:22:25.760
Terra and Matt, I
just wanted to see
00:22:25.760 --> 00:22:28.760
if I could weave in one thing
from the chat, if that's okay?
00:22:30.130 --> 00:22:33.380
Yeah, so one question that
kind of zooms out a little bit
00:22:33.380 --> 00:22:36.750
and it's about participating
in CPUC processes
00:22:38.050 --> 00:22:40.487
and this is true across
divisions and across things
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but perhaps we can address it
00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:45.520
from a transportation and in rail angle.
00:22:45.520 --> 00:22:47.190
So I'll read the chat.
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The current process to authorize members
00:22:49.130 --> 00:22:51.010
of the public to become
members to a proceeding
00:22:51.010 --> 00:22:53.270
is cumbersome and resource intensive.
00:22:53.270 --> 00:22:55.180
And is an obstacle
for many organizations
00:22:55.180 --> 00:22:56.670
from becoming parties.
00:22:56.670 --> 00:22:58.940
Are we considering changing
or updating these rules
00:22:58.940 --> 00:23:01.650
of engagement to enable
greater public input?
00:23:01.650 --> 00:23:04.140
So I can speak to this a
little bit, but would love to hear
00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:05.490
feel free to take it first.
00:23:08.560 --> 00:23:11.710
Yeah, well, I'll just
take a first stab at that.
00:23:11.710 --> 00:23:15.780
And Matt and feel free
to jump in and follow.
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I'll say that I'm still personally,
00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:19.770
on the learning curve as well
00:23:19.770 --> 00:23:22.090
on how to get involved
with our own proceedings
00:23:22.090 --> 00:23:26.210
since I joined so recently
and can appreciate
00:23:26.210 --> 00:23:29.343
the real challenge that it is.
00:23:30.430 --> 00:23:35.430
So for example, Monica and I
have started some conversations
00:23:36.050 --> 00:23:41.050
internally about this, that
issue specific to our work
00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:46.680
and a real desire to make it
more accessible and available
00:23:46.810 --> 00:23:51.240
to participate for a
broad set of stakeholders.
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:54.500
And I think we really recognize
00:23:54.500 --> 00:23:58.210
that there is just so much more value
00:23:58.210 --> 00:24:00.830
and we can do smarter
work with a broader set
00:24:00.830 --> 00:24:03.423
of perspectives
represented in the dialogue.
00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:09.500
So I'm aware of the issue
and trying to address it
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.973
in the ways that I can and
will maintain that as a priority.
00:24:17.670 --> 00:24:18.630
Yeah, I agree.
00:24:18.630 --> 00:24:23.630
It is an issue with
rail safety proceedings
00:24:25.540 --> 00:24:27.873
especially applications
for new crossings.
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We rarely get very
many parties participating.
00:24:35.500 --> 00:24:40.180
So it's definitely something
that we would welcome
00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:43.920
additional participation
and it obviously is
00:24:44.860 --> 00:24:47.560
a complicated process to become a party
00:24:47.560 --> 00:24:49.363
and to comment and things like that.
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.401
Any ideas from people in the group
00:24:56.401 --> 00:24:59.420
about how to make that easier?
00:24:59.420 --> 00:25:04.420
And how to engage additional
groups in the process?
00:25:08.343 --> 00:25:11.170
I can bring up one
comment that's related
00:25:11.170 --> 00:25:16.170
that some folks can become
parties to the proceeding,
00:25:16.201 --> 00:25:18.470
ALJs tend to be pretty open
00:25:18.470 --> 00:25:20.390
that this person's
perspective, open-minded
00:25:20.390 --> 00:25:22.460
about who can become
a party to proceeding.
00:25:22.460 --> 00:25:24.720
One of the issues is
outreach at the outset.
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:25.680
So people are actually knowing
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:27.340
about a proceeding being opening
00:25:27.340 --> 00:25:32.260
and knowing the process
to be to get involved.
00:25:32.260 --> 00:25:35.260
It seems to be what this
person, Matthew George,
00:25:35.260 --> 00:25:38.420
springing back up, is one point.
00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:43.420
And I mean, I'll just offer
just from the ESJ broader lens.
00:25:43.610 --> 00:25:45.160
We talked about this this morning.
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.400
We're also trying to
explore how we can better
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:51.140
include public comments on
the record as part of proceedings
00:25:51.140 --> 00:25:53.090
as another way of being involved,
00:25:53.090 --> 00:25:55.580
if organizations and
people don't want to become
00:25:55.580 --> 00:25:59.670
full parties to our proceedings
and invest all that time
00:25:59.670 --> 00:26:02.900
how can we can make sure
public comment gets utilized
00:26:02.900 --> 00:26:04.450
in a way that affects decision-making?
00:26:04.450 --> 00:26:06.100
It's still an open question
00:26:06.100 --> 00:26:08.000
but there is movement in that direction.
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.690
So I'm hopeful that, that
will be a much bigger opening
00:26:11.690 --> 00:26:13.284
for people to be able to participate
00:26:13.284 --> 00:26:16.890
and for more perspectives
to be able to be included.
00:26:16.890 --> 00:26:17.890
Yeah.
00:26:17.890 --> 00:26:19.490
Yeah, I would just add on to that Monica
00:26:19.490 --> 00:26:21.600
that I think from my perspective
00:26:21.600 --> 00:26:23.860
and I think yours, this is
something we've talked
00:26:23.860 --> 00:26:27.740
about is the challenge is
certainly outreach at the outset
00:26:27.740 --> 00:26:30.650
but also the fact that
it takes a lot of time
00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:32.320
and effort to participate.
00:26:32.320 --> 00:26:37.290
In some cases, our proceedings
are years long processes
00:26:37.290 --> 00:26:42.170
and we, and there several
opportunities to engage
00:26:42.170 --> 00:26:44.890
and some of that quite in-depth work.
00:26:44.890 --> 00:26:47.560
And so generally speaking,
00:26:47.560 --> 00:26:51.290
the Commission has something
called Intervener Compensation
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:57.720
which is available in
certain proceedings
00:26:58.130 --> 00:27:01.260
and it just so happens
to not be available
00:27:01.260 --> 00:27:04.490
in transportation proceedings, save one
00:27:04.490 --> 00:27:07.670
that we're involved with
the TNC Access for All work,
00:27:07.670 --> 00:27:10.350
because that has its own revenue source.
00:27:10.350 --> 00:27:12.763
We're able to offer
Intervener Compensation,
00:27:13.670 --> 00:27:17.920
and that just means there's
essentially a stipend available
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:22.920
for qualifying entities
participation in the proceeding.
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:28.893
So that's also something
that I'm learning about
00:27:30.190 --> 00:27:31.550
and looking into, and then I know
00:27:31.550 --> 00:27:34.143
is on Monica's mind as well.
00:27:35.760 --> 00:27:38.460
And I did see that somebody
also suggested to us
00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:42.030
in the chat, another
place to look is reviewing
00:27:42.030 --> 00:27:45.023
how federal agencies
handle public input.
00:27:47.100 --> 00:27:49.800
So that's something that
we'll certainly take note of.
00:27:54.070 --> 00:27:56.620
And let me see, there's
certainly a lot of comments
00:27:56.620 --> 00:27:59.670
and questions flowing in the chat now.
00:27:59.670 --> 00:28:00.503
Yeah, do you
want me to feed you?
00:28:00.503 --> 00:28:02.220
You want me to have
feed you on right now?
00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:04.180
Sure.
I can do that.
00:28:04.180 --> 00:28:05.690
Okay, so it's just turning a little more
00:28:05.690 --> 00:28:07.075
to Q and A, but you know what?
00:28:07.075 --> 00:28:08.540
We can roll with it.
00:28:08.540 --> 00:28:13.403
So I am not sure this
is in you all domain
00:28:14.370 --> 00:28:15.960
but I will put it out there anyway.
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:17.070
What is being done to?
00:28:17.070 --> 00:28:19.530
I think this is more of an
Energy Division question.
00:28:19.530 --> 00:28:21.250
What is being done
to support the scaling
00:28:21.250 --> 00:28:24.060
of electric bus fleets
for public transit?
00:28:24.060 --> 00:28:26.740
Could there be a new
rate structure for charging?
00:28:26.740 --> 00:28:29.340
Any other instead of programs
for local transit agencies?
00:28:29.340 --> 00:28:31.660
I believe that would be more
of an Energy Division question
00:28:31.660 --> 00:28:34.233
but I just wanna confirm
that with Terra and Matt.
00:28:35.080 --> 00:28:38.670
Yeah, I think
you're right, Monica.
00:28:38.670 --> 00:28:41.740
Certainly they would be
able to respond better to that.
00:28:41.740 --> 00:28:44.180
And I'd be happy to help follow up
00:28:44.180 --> 00:28:47.233
to get a more prescriptive
response to your question.
00:28:47.233 --> 00:28:48.860
But one thing I would point you to
00:28:48.860 --> 00:28:50.650
that I know they're working
on is something called
00:28:50.650 --> 00:28:53.720
the Transportation
Electrification Framework.
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.620
And this is essentially
as I understand it sort of
00:28:56.620 --> 00:29:01.620
a strategy for rolling out
electrification infrastructure,
00:29:02.670 --> 00:29:04.023
charging infrastructure.
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.990
I don't know specifically how it relates
00:29:07.990 --> 00:29:12.990
or specifies transit versus
sort of general public
00:29:13.790 --> 00:29:16.970
of charging infrastructure
00:29:16.970 --> 00:29:18.670
but that's one thing
you could look into.
00:29:18.670 --> 00:29:20.700
And again, I'd be happy to follow up
00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:23.303
with the Energy Division
if that'd be helpful.
00:29:24.990 --> 00:29:27.630
And then similarly, I
think this would apply.
00:29:27.630 --> 00:29:29.920
Here's another question
related to prioritizing
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.230
electric vehicle charging infrastructure
00:29:32.230 --> 00:29:35.173
and Environmental and
Social Justice Communities,
00:29:35.173 --> 00:29:38.170
especially in areas of
high concentrations of folks
00:29:38.170 --> 00:29:40.440
who drive for TNCs.
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.380
How are we tracking progress?
00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:45.400
I definitely know eBay
charging his Energy Division.
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:47.337
So consider that one,
00:29:47.337 --> 00:29:52.150
but is there any kind of
link to the TNC discussion?
00:29:52.150 --> 00:29:55.000
I don't see that right now, but curious.
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.120
Yeah, well, so I think
I'll take a quick step back
00:29:59.120 --> 00:30:04.110
on this one and note that
there is Senate Bill 10 14
00:30:06.100 --> 00:30:08.423
which established the
Clean Miles standard.
00:30:09.330 --> 00:30:13.380
And this is a statute
00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:16.210
that both the California
Air Resources Board
00:30:16.210 --> 00:30:20.880
and the PUC are responsible
for establishing regulations
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:23.000
around and implementing.
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.663
And that is a, it sets targets
00:30:30.260 --> 00:30:35.260
and requirements for the
electrification of TNC services.
00:30:35.937 --> 00:30:40.740
So this question really
relates to the core issues
00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:45.740
being explored through the development
00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:49.790
of the Clean Miles Standard
Program that is currently
00:30:49.790 --> 00:30:51.660
in the hands of the Air Resources Board.
00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:53.890
They have an open proceeding dealing
00:30:53.890 --> 00:30:56.500
with their regulatory process.
00:30:56.500 --> 00:30:59.280
We have not opened our proceeding yet
00:30:59.280 --> 00:31:02.720
so we are very much in collaboration
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.860
with them to follow their work
and our own Energy Division
00:31:06.860 --> 00:31:10.523
because the topics
are very intersecting,
00:31:12.184 --> 00:31:16.600
but we don't have anything
open on our end yet.
00:31:16.600 --> 00:31:19.343
So watch for that in the coming year.
00:31:23.840 --> 00:31:26.960
Okay, so we're continuing
to have some comments
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.500
related to public participation
and some interesting things
00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:32.506
like specific to
transportation and rail.
00:31:32.506 --> 00:31:36.840
So, holding more workshops, work groups
00:31:36.840 --> 00:31:39.670
and with stakeholders
to get them more involved
00:31:39.670 --> 00:31:42.220
in policy discussions
related transportation and rail.
00:31:42.220 --> 00:31:46.570
And there was a suggestion
you could require public notice
00:31:46.570 --> 00:31:50.620
at the site of the proposed
project amend General Order 88-B
00:31:50.620 --> 00:31:52.670
to require public notice.
00:31:52.670 --> 00:31:54.440
So I think that's a rail, I'm assuming
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:56.643
that's a rail general order, Matt?
00:31:57.630 --> 00:31:59.060
Yes.
00:31:59.060 --> 00:32:01.990
Okay, what does
that general order say?
00:32:01.990 --> 00:32:06.350
So that delegates CPUC
authority over the modifications
00:32:06.350 --> 00:32:08.213
of existing rail crossings-
00:32:09.270 --> 00:32:10.103
Okay.
00:32:10.103 --> 00:32:13.633
So that's a staff level
approval of changes to crossings.
00:32:16.270 --> 00:32:17.640
We haven't had any discussion
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:22.640
about, public participation
in that process.
00:32:28.390 --> 00:32:32.083
So, but something to consider on that.
00:32:34.100 --> 00:32:38.700
As to me, the bigger
issue is official proceedings
00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:42.483
with the Commission and
how to better engage the public.
00:32:46.270 --> 00:32:47.660
Yeah, and just following up on
00:32:47.660 --> 00:32:51.110
that something that's come
up in the first session as well.
00:32:51.110 --> 00:32:53.350
People have been told by
constituents, they feel discouraged
00:32:53.350 --> 00:32:56.210
and do not wanna spend time
submitting informal comments
00:32:56.210 --> 00:32:57.600
if they are not going to be considered
00:32:57.600 --> 00:32:58.710
as part of the record.
00:32:58.710 --> 00:33:00.300
Yes, we have heard that.
00:33:00.300 --> 00:33:02.260
And they also do not
want to have the bandwidth
00:33:02.260 --> 00:33:05.020
to fully officially
participate as a party.
00:33:05.020 --> 00:33:08.410
So in terms of thinking
about these other openings
00:33:08.410 --> 00:33:13.200
it's just, like ALL ADA,
something to consider
00:33:14.100 --> 00:33:14.933
Right.
00:33:18.580 --> 00:33:21.230
Yeah, I think somebody
mentioned on the federal side,
00:33:22.230 --> 00:33:26.410
looking at at how the
federal government handles
00:33:26.410 --> 00:33:29.560
comments like that, and
certainly on rulemakings
00:33:32.020 --> 00:33:35.003
members of the public can
simply submit a comment.
00:33:36.750 --> 00:33:39.547
They don't have to, you
don't have to become a party
00:33:39.547 --> 00:33:44.547
and do a lot of other work
throughout the process.
00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:50.370
So something like that might
be interesting to consider
00:33:50.370 --> 00:33:51.640
but it's probably a little bit above
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:53.673
what we're thinking here.
00:33:56.660 --> 00:34:00.900
Matt, it might be good to
pose your second question here,
00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:03.620
I see the comments are
slowing down a little bit,
00:34:03.620 --> 00:34:05.890
although one just
came in as I was talking.
00:34:05.890 --> 00:34:09.090
I don't see any handrails
but your second question
00:34:09.090 --> 00:34:11.510
is on point of this discussion.
00:34:11.510 --> 00:34:15.210
So maybe we could go there and come back
00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:17.360
to the last question
that came in the chat.
00:34:18.390 --> 00:34:21.963
Sure, yeah, so that
question is basically,
00:34:23.040 --> 00:34:28.040
what stakeholders should
we try to get involved in?
00:34:30.120 --> 00:34:32.383
In especially rail work?
00:34:33.340 --> 00:34:38.340
Are there specific groups
that the people are aware of
00:34:39.160 --> 00:34:41.663
that we can reach out to?
00:34:44.490 --> 00:34:48.173
How do we get more participation?
00:35:01.590 --> 00:35:03.170
And while folks are thinking
00:35:03.170 --> 00:35:07.133
about who else we could
or should get involved,
00:35:08.090 --> 00:35:11.420
I'm seeing some responses
come in the chat now,
00:35:11.420 --> 00:35:13.970
Matt, there is a question
I think is directed to you
00:35:13.970 --> 00:35:14.803
in the chat.
00:35:14.803 --> 00:35:18.440
Any plans for CPUC
involvement in the electrification
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.180
of the in-state locomotives?
00:35:20.180 --> 00:35:23.510
In line with other state
goals under SB and 350.
00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:32.603
I'm not aware of any major,
00:35:37.910 --> 00:35:41.253
mandates or anything like that.
00:35:42.150 --> 00:35:47.150
I have heard some talk of
funding for some projects
00:35:47.410 --> 00:35:51.253
like that, but I haven't
heard anything major on that.
00:35:53.010 --> 00:35:53.843
Okay.
00:35:53.843 --> 00:35:56.160
And actually that person
also asked any updates
00:35:56.160 --> 00:35:59.120
on the timing for the Clean
Miles Standard proceeding.
00:35:59.120 --> 00:36:00.093
So that's, for me.
00:36:00.930 --> 00:36:04.300
Not really what I would point you to
00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:06.220
for the most up-to-date information
00:36:06.220 --> 00:36:09.520
is through the Air
Resources Board website.
00:36:09.520 --> 00:36:14.170
And as of their November, 2020 workshop,
00:36:14.170 --> 00:36:19.050
they released their draft
regulation, which is available
00:36:19.050 --> 00:36:20.710
for public review at this point.
00:36:20.710 --> 00:36:23.620
So that's probably
the most current thing,
00:36:23.620 --> 00:36:28.490
but again we are very
actively in communication
00:36:28.490 --> 00:36:32.813
collaborating with them
internally at the same time.
00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:37.040
Terra if it's okay I wanted
to chime in with two things
00:36:37.040 --> 00:36:38.930
in the chat and then I
think you have two hands
00:36:38.930 --> 00:36:41.020
in the participation list.
00:36:41.020 --> 00:36:43.750
So in terms of your
question of, or Matt's question
00:36:43.750 --> 00:36:46.700
of who to involve in real
proceedings and whatnot
00:36:46.700 --> 00:36:49.860
transit riders' unions and
associations came up as
00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:51.540
I think those are folks that
we probably haven't had
00:36:51.540 --> 00:36:53.960
as much in our proceedings.
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.540
And then also for rail
specifically focusing
00:36:57.540 --> 00:37:00.070
on transit agencies,
municipalities counties
00:37:00.070 --> 00:37:03.810
and state agencies, because
freights the freight companies
00:37:03.810 --> 00:37:05.920
can argue federal preemption
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:07.890
if the Commission
tries to compel action.
00:37:07.890 --> 00:37:10.080
So getting some of
those other folks involved
00:37:10.080 --> 00:37:12.203
is a recommendation here.
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:14.660
Yeah.
00:37:14.660 --> 00:37:15.493
Yeah
00:37:16.350 --> 00:37:18.393
Yeah, in my experience so far,
00:37:19.550 --> 00:37:22.140
the parties to the proceeding,
we're really relying on them
00:37:22.140 --> 00:37:25.390
to represent individual, transit riders
00:37:25.390 --> 00:37:28.830
or customers of the
systems that we regulate.
00:37:28.830 --> 00:37:33.390
So I liked that idea more organizations
00:37:33.390 --> 00:37:36.920
that directly represent transit riders
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:41.920
or other similar groups,
sort of user groups
00:37:42.120 --> 00:37:43.420
would make a lot of sense.
00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:51.430
And then feel free to
call folks can actually
00:37:51.430 --> 00:37:52.263
unmute themselves.
00:37:52.263 --> 00:37:53.750
So just if you wanna call on somebody
00:37:53.750 --> 00:37:55.100
they can unmute themselves.
00:38:00.263 --> 00:38:01.430
Okay.
00:38:02.711 --> 00:38:03.886
Okay.
00:38:03.886 --> 00:38:04.719
Okay
I think there's couple
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:05.552
of hands up.
00:38:05.552 --> 00:38:06.385
Yeah.
00:38:11.240 --> 00:38:12.260
Feel free to call
on one of them
00:38:12.260 --> 00:38:14.060
and then they can unmute themselves.
00:38:18.700 --> 00:38:19.723
Is it Jose?
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.150
(indistinct)
00:38:23.150 --> 00:38:23.983
Hi.
Thank you.
00:38:23.983 --> 00:38:26.460
This is Jose Saldana with CARB.
00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:30.760
And I just saw Doug Ito's comment
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:32.780
and it's kind of along those lines.
00:38:32.780 --> 00:38:36.820
So CARB is working to
engage with communities
00:38:36.820 --> 00:38:41.820
on rail issues and a regulatory
item they have coming up.
00:38:41.890 --> 00:38:46.380
And I just wanna say that
engaging with residents
00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:49.550
and grassroots folks while
there is a lot of interest,
00:38:49.550 --> 00:38:51.790
there's not a lot of time.
00:38:51.790 --> 00:38:55.410
And I think that your
best bet would probably
00:38:55.410 --> 00:39:00.380
be going to communities like,
Ivan EJ Task Force meetings.
00:39:00.380 --> 00:39:01.338
And if it's just during
public (indistinct) minutes
00:39:01.338 --> 00:39:06.338
to share with you're doing.
00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:11.500
It at least in my experience
with doing this work,
00:39:11.500 --> 00:39:14.250
and I've even heard it
from advocates themselves
00:39:14.250 --> 00:39:19.250
where they show up in a
space and the first year folks
00:39:20.600 --> 00:39:22.669
are like, "What are you doing here?"
00:39:22.669 --> 00:39:23.897
And then the second year or the like,
00:39:23.897 --> 00:39:25.830
"Oh, you're still here."
00:39:25.830 --> 00:39:28.130
And then the third year,
maybe they start trusting you.
00:39:28.130 --> 00:39:31.890
And so I don't think there's
any short-term answers.
00:39:31.890 --> 00:39:36.550
And I think government
usually is thinking of outreach
00:39:36.550 --> 00:39:38.280
in terms of the next meeting
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.340
and instead of city building opportunity
00:39:43.340 --> 00:39:45.290
so that it builds on itself.
00:39:45.290 --> 00:39:46.123
Thank you.
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:49.753
Great.
00:39:49.753 --> 00:39:50.633
Thank you, Jose.
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:58.890
And I think, Charles, do you
have your hand raised again?
00:39:58.890 --> 00:40:00.160
Or is that from last time?
00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:03.500
Yes, again, and I'm
glad my friend Jose,
00:40:03.500 --> 00:40:05.933
jumped on right before me.
00:40:06.770 --> 00:40:08.850
We sit in the monthly meeting together
00:40:08.850 --> 00:40:11.400
and he always has those right on point
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.220
in terms of engaging the community.
00:40:13.220 --> 00:40:14.595
I think there's two sides,
00:40:14.595 --> 00:40:17.657
he already hit on a couple of them
00:40:17.657 --> 00:40:19.360
the community-based organizations
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.150
and targeted task forces around
00:40:22.150 --> 00:40:24.200
in those communities that
are working on this issue.
00:40:24.200 --> 00:40:26.930
I think I mentioned before,
in my other comments,
00:40:26.930 --> 00:40:29.427
the homeless advocates, but
also the advocates around us,
00:40:29.427 --> 00:40:32.380
around the rail safety issue,
mental health advocates
00:40:32.380 --> 00:40:34.640
and social service
advocates that provide
00:40:34.640 --> 00:40:37.390
all those wraparound
services that help people
00:40:38.300 --> 00:40:41.430
who are living near rails
or congregating near rails.
00:40:41.430 --> 00:40:43.900
And so that you can bring
down the incidents of people
00:40:43.900 --> 00:40:47.352
being killed or, or hurt
around the rail stations.
00:40:47.352 --> 00:40:48.740
And so that's, that's very important.
00:40:48.740 --> 00:40:51.580
And then a lot of, in a lot of
cases around the communities
00:40:51.580 --> 00:40:55.010
where these larger
congregations of homeless issues
00:40:55.010 --> 00:40:56.277
are going to be in Environmental
00:40:56.277 --> 00:40:58.170
and Social Justice communities.
00:40:58.170 --> 00:41:01.250
So the advocates around
that are gonna be there.
00:41:01.250 --> 00:41:04.490
I'll say the other thing
for the TNCs is maybe
00:41:04.490 --> 00:41:06.154
we need to talk to the drivers sometimes
00:41:06.154 --> 00:41:08.890
but I don't know all the
regulations and rules around that.
00:41:08.890 --> 00:41:11.100
But the other thing is with the CPUC
00:41:11.100 --> 00:41:14.130
for those of you don't know,
and I'm in one of those roles
00:41:14.130 --> 00:41:17.830
and as a local government
and community liaison
00:41:17.830 --> 00:41:21.060
many community-based
organizations work through us
00:41:21.060 --> 00:41:22.860
and can get their input through us.
00:41:22.860 --> 00:41:24.680
Like even if they're not willing to go
00:41:24.680 --> 00:41:27.610
to the new comment
feature, which is in the process
00:41:27.610 --> 00:41:30.970
of being considered by
Administrative Law Judges,
00:41:30.970 --> 00:41:33.150
as they're writing up their memos
00:41:33.150 --> 00:41:37.090
is thinking about
utilizing, there's eight of us
00:41:37.090 --> 00:41:39.370
around the state that really allow you
00:41:39.370 --> 00:41:41.080
access point to the organization.
00:41:41.080 --> 00:41:43.530
And if you don't have the
time to follow up proceeding
00:41:43.530 --> 00:41:45.760
for three years, four years, five years
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.660
how long has the TNC one been open?
00:41:47.660 --> 00:41:49.635
Eight years or something.
00:41:49.635 --> 00:41:50.470
Nine.
00:41:50.470 --> 00:41:54.660
Nine years, yeah, you can
actually communicate with us,
00:41:54.660 --> 00:41:56.920
and we actually write reports that go up
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:58.760
through the Commission
and end up in other reports.
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.333
So they get to be looked
at it in a different way.
00:42:02.364 --> 00:42:05.359
So I think that's really
important to understand
00:42:05.359 --> 00:42:07.070
that there's other access points.
00:42:07.070 --> 00:42:11.290
But we do have to do a
better job at figuring out ways
00:42:11.290 --> 00:42:14.310
and making it easier
for people to comment.
00:42:14.310 --> 00:42:17.570
And Jose's right on
point, being an outreach
00:42:17.570 --> 00:42:20.790
and engagement person,
it is a multi-year process,
00:42:20.790 --> 00:42:23.040
we can't do one-offs and we have to,
00:42:23.040 --> 00:42:25.210
build those relationships
not only just through our team,
00:42:25.210 --> 00:42:28.610
but through obviously
through your two units
00:42:28.610 --> 00:42:32.010
of the organization,
so that people see us
00:42:32.010 --> 00:42:35.547
not just when we need
something, but all along the way.
00:42:39.110 --> 00:42:39.943
Great.
00:42:39.943 --> 00:42:40.776
Thank you.
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:44.690
Matt and Terra,
I can feed y'all
00:42:44.690 --> 00:42:47.080
one more thing from the chat.
00:42:47.080 --> 00:42:50.100
It's a TNC related question.
00:42:50.100 --> 00:42:51.980
So Terra may be more for you.
00:42:51.980 --> 00:42:53.360
TNCs are having a huge impact
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.020
on both emissions and congestion.
00:42:55.020 --> 00:42:57.810
So electrification may
improve down the road
00:42:57.810 --> 00:42:58.643
but to what extent?
00:42:58.643 --> 00:42:59.476
It's not clear.
00:43:00.640 --> 00:43:03.210
In a recent study says
TNCs have more than doubled
00:43:03.210 --> 00:43:04.920
their vehicle miles traveled
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.780
and even pooled rides
create more congestion.
00:43:07.780 --> 00:43:10.423
Are you considering any
limits on TNC numbers?
00:43:11.330 --> 00:43:14.103
Or giving city some regulatory control?
00:43:16.550 --> 00:43:18.880
Yeah, I saw that study as well.
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:22.920
And it's not the only one
that deals with that topic.
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:23.760
You're absolutely right.
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.530
So to the question
where you will consider
00:43:27.530 --> 00:43:32.530
limiting numbers in major
cities, I to my knowledge
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:34.980
that's not something
that's been discussed
00:43:36.030 --> 00:43:39.480
within the Commission,
but also just to clarify here
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:44.034
that we, as a staff,
at least in my group,
00:43:44.034 --> 00:43:46.210
we are advisory staff.
00:43:46.210 --> 00:43:50.120
We advise the Commission,
the Commissioners
00:43:50.120 --> 00:43:54.130
and ultimately decisions
like the one you're suggesting
00:43:54.130 --> 00:43:56.833
is a decision that rests
on the Commissioners.
00:43:58.330 --> 00:44:00.950
But certainly the, some
of the data that we have
00:44:00.950 --> 00:44:05.273
and analyze really could
inform such a decision.
00:44:07.330 --> 00:44:09.850
But one thing that we are doing
00:44:09.850 --> 00:44:11.600
trying to be even more proactive
00:44:11.600 --> 00:44:16.600
about this is developing,
maintaining sustaining
00:44:16.810 --> 00:44:20.740
our collaboration, our
working relationships
00:44:20.740 --> 00:44:25.130
with cities and regional
governments across the state.
00:44:25.130 --> 00:44:27.330
And just in the last couple of months
00:44:27.330 --> 00:44:29.970
since I've come on
board, I think we've had,
00:44:29.970 --> 00:44:32.050
a handful of meetings like that
00:44:32.050 --> 00:44:35.993
just to explore what those
cities or regions are working on
00:44:35.993 --> 00:44:37.390
what their priorities are?
00:44:37.390 --> 00:44:38.590
What they're planning around?
00:44:38.590 --> 00:44:41.900
And how we can help
inform their decision-making
00:44:41.900 --> 00:44:42.920
and planning.
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:47.920
So even without,
incorporating some of the things
00:44:48.690 --> 00:44:52.660
you're suggesting through
a regulatory process
00:44:52.660 --> 00:44:55.770
we are trying to be more
collaborative and connected
00:44:55.770 --> 00:45:00.380
at the local level, because
ultimately that's where we know
00:45:00.380 --> 00:45:04.540
that the challenges are
and the cities really know
00:45:05.830 --> 00:45:08.663
those challenges and
the potential solutions best.
00:45:21.050 --> 00:45:23.250
That's all I
have in the chat for now.
00:45:23.250 --> 00:45:24.970
Okay, cool.
00:45:24.970 --> 00:45:28.000
Maybe I'll go onto the next
question that we had prepared
00:45:29.500 --> 00:45:31.399
which is also around data.
00:45:31.399 --> 00:45:34.590
And we're just wondering
for folks thoughts
00:45:34.590 --> 00:45:37.000
on what metrics should we be using
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.790
to evaluate environmental
social justice impacts?
00:45:40.790 --> 00:45:45.790
As it relates to
transportation and rail safety.
00:45:46.520 --> 00:45:48.510
And specifically
00:45:48.510 --> 00:45:51.450
what kinds of analysis
should we be conducting
00:45:51.450 --> 00:45:52.393
and considering?
00:45:53.250 --> 00:45:55.010
I know there's a rich
discussion this morning
00:45:55.010 --> 00:45:57.650
about definitions and data sources
00:45:58.950 --> 00:46:01.030
and some existing challenges with those,
00:46:01.030 --> 00:46:03.590
so I'm really curious to
continue that conversation
00:46:03.590 --> 00:46:05.263
specific to transportation here.
00:46:24.600 --> 00:46:25.433
See.
00:46:30.603 --> 00:46:31.540
(indistinct)
00:46:31.540 --> 00:46:34.150
Could you
repeat the question?
00:46:34.150 --> 00:46:35.830
The latter part?
00:46:35.830 --> 00:46:37.050
Yeah.
00:46:37.050 --> 00:46:40.017
What metrics should we be
using to evaluate environmental
00:46:40.017 --> 00:46:42.020
and social justice impacts?
00:46:42.020 --> 00:46:45.173
As it relates to
transportation, rail safety,
00:46:46.470 --> 00:46:48.920
and specifically, what kinds of analysis
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:50.923
should we be conducting or considering?
00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:59.280
Thank you.
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:00.130
You're welcome.
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.040
I had a question
on transportation,
00:47:10.040 --> 00:47:13.983
but I'm not sure I'm understanding,
00:47:16.710 --> 00:47:19.617
'cause it's so broad,
like the context here.
00:47:24.340 --> 00:47:26.880
It's intentionally broad,
so go ahead and respond,
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:27.912
however you wish.
00:47:27.912 --> 00:47:30.495
(Terra laughs)
00:47:32.830 --> 00:47:35.580
So what I'll do
is like paint a picture
00:47:35.580 --> 00:47:37.150
and I bring it up often
00:47:37.150 --> 00:47:40.750
because the condition is still there.
00:47:40.750 --> 00:47:45.750
So there's a housing
projects in the Bay Area,
00:47:46.010 --> 00:47:47.060
City of (indistinct),
00:47:51.156 --> 00:47:52.730
and this particular housing projects
00:47:52.730 --> 00:47:56.133
is on the fence line to
oil and gas operations.
00:47:57.420 --> 00:48:02.420
It's kinda tucked away, away
from the main metropolitan area
00:48:04.300 --> 00:48:06.840
or there's nothing there.
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.760
There's no stores near them,
there's a sewage treatment
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:14.243
across the street and oil and
gas storage facilities around.
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:26.230
I go there and I noticed
that if cars break down,
00:48:26.230 --> 00:48:28.763
they die because folks
can't afford to fix them.
00:48:29.610 --> 00:48:31.300
And so there's just tons of cars
00:48:31.300 --> 00:48:33.990
along the sides of the streets.
00:48:33.990 --> 00:48:38.870
And so there hasn't
been any funding there
00:48:38.870 --> 00:48:42.670
that I'm aware of, and they're very high
00:48:42.670 --> 00:48:47.240
on the CalEnviroScreen, list.
00:48:47.240 --> 00:48:50.200
And so the transportation, I don't know
00:48:50.200 --> 00:48:53.320
if you manage this
broadly, but the folks there
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:56.270
don't have transportation to get places
00:48:56.270 --> 00:48:57.520
and there's not funding.
00:48:57.520 --> 00:49:02.520
And so it seems like a,
very big inequity issue
00:49:03.200 --> 00:49:07.100
and I'm not gonna pretend
I know who does what,
00:49:07.100 --> 00:49:10.150
but I wasn't sure if it
was the CPUC or the CEC
00:49:10.150 --> 00:49:14.090
that brings infrastructure to places,
00:49:14.090 --> 00:49:18.040
so that they could start improving
00:49:18.040 --> 00:49:22.710
on their transportation access
and things of that nature.
00:49:22.710 --> 00:49:27.710
So I guess I would encourage
just as a metric looking at
00:49:35.710 --> 00:49:38.350
where there hasn't been investment
00:49:38.350 --> 00:49:40.920
and the needs are
the same, if not greater
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:44.107
than where the investments
are currently happening.
00:49:46.160 --> 00:49:47.740
Yes.
00:49:47.740 --> 00:49:51.010
Matt, did you wanna respond
to that from at least partially
00:49:51.010 --> 00:49:52.863
or an infrastructure perspective?
00:49:58.970 --> 00:49:59.803
Yeah, unfortunately
00:49:59.803 --> 00:50:00.730
I'm not-
If you are not speaking,
00:50:00.730 --> 00:50:02.670
could you mute yourself please?
00:50:02.670 --> 00:50:03.503
Thank you.
00:50:10.050 --> 00:50:13.120
Yeah, unfortunately I'm
not sure I have a good answer
00:50:13.120 --> 00:50:18.120
for that with how the, how the
CPUC can be involved there.
00:50:21.510 --> 00:50:22.343
Yeah.
00:50:22.343 --> 00:50:26.207
Yeah, I think generally
that the point about needing
00:50:28.230 --> 00:50:31.660
more investment in places
that has, that have not
00:50:31.660 --> 00:50:36.660
enjoyed investment in
the past is a key point,
00:50:36.950 --> 00:50:38.840
a key takeaway point.
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:39.673
Let's see
00:50:40.710 --> 00:50:41.543
Okay, thank you.
00:50:41.543 --> 00:50:43.000
I misunderstood the question
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.621
and this wasn't the right
question for this conversation.
00:50:46.621 --> 00:50:48.090
No, no worries at all.
00:50:48.090 --> 00:50:49.133
Yeah, no worries.
00:50:51.600 --> 00:50:54.240
And then it sounds like we
might have one more hand up
00:50:54.240 --> 00:50:56.253
before we do a little bit of summary.
00:50:57.860 --> 00:50:58.693
Let's see.
00:51:02.120 --> 00:51:04.145
I don't see any hands, Monica is there?
00:51:04.145 --> 00:51:05.268
Okay.
00:51:05.268 --> 00:51:07.733
It was I think, it was Pat.
00:51:09.050 --> 00:51:11.110
Oh yeah,
Patricia un-muted herself.
00:51:11.110 --> 00:51:13.010
So I wasn't sure if she had a comment.
00:51:16.220 --> 00:51:17.440
Yeah, I apologize.
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:19.040
I've got some background noise
00:51:19.040 --> 00:51:21.200
so that's why I tried not doing this,
00:51:21.200 --> 00:51:26.200
but my quick response
to your question is
00:51:28.300 --> 00:51:31.150
and I was just trying
to type it into the chat
00:51:32.150 --> 00:51:35.473
but why not try and find out
who you're not hearing from?
00:51:37.470 --> 00:51:42.030
Because, given some of the
comments that have been raised
00:51:42.030 --> 00:51:45.330
about the difficulty of
becoming a party and what does
00:51:45.330 --> 00:51:50.330
or doesn't count for
being on the record,
00:51:50.690 --> 00:51:55.690
there are I've been
particularly personally following
00:51:56.105 --> 00:52:01.105
the wheelchair accessible TNCs process.
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:07.280
And while you're hearing
from disability advocates
00:52:07.630 --> 00:52:12.630
you're not hearing from
the traditional EJ population
00:52:13.451 --> 00:52:16.000
and communities and advocates,
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:21.000
and you're getting that
the statute was set up
00:52:23.010 --> 00:52:27.700
to skew the involvement.
00:52:27.700 --> 00:52:31.860
And there's a lot of the
people you're not hearing from
00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:35.230
on that particular issue, and
I suspect from just listening
00:52:35.230 --> 00:52:40.230
to these various other
comments made today,
00:52:41.770 --> 00:52:43.620
there's a lot of people
you're not hearing from.
00:52:43.620 --> 00:52:46.990
And that might be a metric to look at is
00:52:49.900 --> 00:52:51.600
where are your?
00:52:51.600 --> 00:52:53.050
I'm saying this respectfully,
00:52:53.050 --> 00:52:56.060
where are your glaring holes and gaps?
00:52:56.060 --> 00:52:59.300
Of who's not part of your process?
00:52:59.300 --> 00:53:00.565
So good luck.
00:53:00.565 --> 00:53:01.720
(Patricia laughs)
00:53:01.720 --> 00:53:02.553
Thank you.
00:53:02.553 --> 00:53:04.080
Well, I'll just say, I really appreciate
00:53:04.080 --> 00:53:06.920
that comment and prompt.
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.170
In fact, one of the
questions I had jotted down
00:53:09.170 --> 00:53:10.840
if we were gonna
get there is just simply
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:13.560
to ask you all where our blind spots?
00:53:13.560 --> 00:53:17.120
And part of the motivation
for today was for us
00:53:17.120 --> 00:53:20.573
to identify some of
those as it relates to,
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.730
our outreach process and
who has not been able to
00:53:24.730 --> 00:53:28.390
or who's even aware that
they could be engaged.
00:53:28.390 --> 00:53:29.860
So point very well taken.
00:53:29.860 --> 00:53:34.140
And I do like the idea
of having this something
00:53:34.140 --> 00:53:37.010
that we are explicit about and we track
00:53:37.010 --> 00:53:38.344
and we try to identify.
00:53:38.344 --> 00:53:42.210
It's obviously a hard
thing for us to know.
00:53:42.210 --> 00:53:45.250
So it's also I think
why we are excited to
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.770
have this conversation
and to start a relationship
00:53:48.770 --> 00:53:51.920
with everyone on this call,
so that you can let us know
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:52.970
when we miss someone.
00:54:01.820 --> 00:54:02.653
Okay.
00:54:02.653 --> 00:54:03.620
Okay.
00:54:03.620 --> 00:54:04.870
Go ahead, Monica.
00:54:04.870 --> 00:54:05.703
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:05.703 --> 00:54:06.620
Okay, so I'm happy to summarize.
00:54:06.620 --> 00:54:08.320
So yeah, thanks
everybody for your feedback.
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:12.310
I think one thing I can mention
from just the broader plan
00:54:12.310 --> 00:54:14.810
that we're working on is that we had
00:54:14.810 --> 00:54:17.010
not a lot of action
items in the last plan
00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:19.760
for the work that's happening
in transportation and rail,
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:21.110
that's specific to the PUC.
00:54:21.110 --> 00:54:23.390
We had some, but we didn't have a ton.
00:54:23.390 --> 00:54:25.760
So this conversation
is really breaking the ice
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.070
I think in a lot of
ways on these issues.
00:54:28.070 --> 00:54:30.240
So really glad we could
have kind of an open
00:54:30.240 --> 00:54:32.360
higher level discussion and trust
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:34.250
that we will be continuing to dig
00:54:34.250 --> 00:54:36.640
into these issues over time.
00:54:36.640 --> 00:54:39.410
But in terms of some of the takeaways
00:54:39.410 --> 00:54:41.540
I think I'll keep it pretty short.
00:54:41.540 --> 00:54:44.240
There definitely seems to
be some potential openings
00:54:44.240 --> 00:54:46.370
and a few general orders related to rail
00:54:46.370 --> 00:54:47.900
that we will might want to follow up on
00:54:47.900 --> 00:54:50.520
in terms of noticing and getting,
00:54:50.520 --> 00:54:52.350
thinking about pedestrian access
00:54:52.350 --> 00:54:54.320
and how that gets prioritized
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:56.330
from an environmental
and social justice lens.
00:54:56.330 --> 00:55:00.250
We wanna make sure
that there isn't sort of a
00:55:00.250 --> 00:55:03.500
disparate impact or a
disproportionate burden
00:55:03.500 --> 00:55:05.070
in communities on some of those things.
00:55:05.070 --> 00:55:08.430
So those are potentially
some areas to look at.
00:55:08.430 --> 00:55:10.470
I'm gonna keep looking at my notes,
00:55:10.470 --> 00:55:13.150
definitely some things
around transportation
00:55:13.150 --> 00:55:17.363
networking companies, TNCs,
and access to that information.
00:55:18.220 --> 00:55:21.050
So that's something
that's hopefully coming up.
00:55:21.050 --> 00:55:24.000
So we'll be, thank you.
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:24.957
Sorry about that.
00:55:24.957 --> 00:55:26.440
(Monica laughs)
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:27.840
My mom was taking very good care of me
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:29.820
while I work on this workshop.
00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:33.050
Anyways, so that's that.
00:55:33.050 --> 00:55:34.700
But the big thing that has come up
00:55:34.700 --> 00:55:36.890
and it makes a lot of sense
considering that this is one
00:55:36.890 --> 00:55:40.730
of the first times we're
having these discussions
00:55:40.730 --> 00:55:41.567
about transportation.
00:55:41.567 --> 00:55:45.050
The CPUC is making sure we
have the right people involved.
00:55:45.050 --> 00:55:48.540
So in a real context, we have challenges
00:55:48.540 --> 00:55:51.580
with the rail companies
arguing preemption.
00:55:51.580 --> 00:55:53.910
So there's a need to think
about other people we can bring
00:55:53.910 --> 00:55:57.010
to the table to perhaps
push some of these issues.
00:55:57.010 --> 00:55:58.780
There were some good
comments from outreach folks
00:55:58.780 --> 00:56:02.590
like Jose at CARB about kind
of thinking more proactively
00:56:02.590 --> 00:56:06.090
about getting to people,
looking at our blind spots,
00:56:06.090 --> 00:56:07.330
and who's not at our table.
00:56:07.330 --> 00:56:10.290
And again, proactive
thinking about that and trying
00:56:10.290 --> 00:56:13.590
to reach out to folks to
get them knowledgeable
00:56:13.590 --> 00:56:14.440
about proceedings.
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.600
Let them know when like things
like pre hearing conferences
00:56:16.600 --> 00:56:19.530
are happening so
people can become parties
00:56:19.530 --> 00:56:21.010
and continue to work on this issue
00:56:21.010 --> 00:56:22.740
related to public comment.
00:56:22.740 --> 00:56:25.773
So people hopefully
have an access point there.
00:56:27.540 --> 00:56:30.407
Those are kind of some
of the big takeaways for,
00:56:30.407 --> 00:56:32.830
at least from my
perspective, Matt or Terra
00:56:32.830 --> 00:56:35.783
anything else in terms of like
what you're carrying forward?
00:56:40.230 --> 00:56:43.150
No, I think you summarized
it really well, Monica.
00:56:43.150 --> 00:56:45.270
I really appreciate the feedback
00:56:45.270 --> 00:56:48.330
and specifically the
constructive criticism.
00:56:48.330 --> 00:56:51.033
I really appreciate that,
it does inform our work.
00:56:56.100 --> 00:56:57.950
Yeah, I appreciate
all the comments
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:00.690
and we certainly have some work to do
00:57:00.690 --> 00:57:05.690
on a variety of different
things, especially Section 190.
00:57:06.420 --> 00:57:08.583
I think that's a good
takeaway from this.
00:57:18.490 --> 00:57:19.657
Sounds good.
00:57:19.657 --> 00:57:21.657
Alright, I think it's about two o'clock.
00:57:22.910 --> 00:57:24.210
Great.
00:57:24.210 --> 00:57:27.570
Well, I guess I can just
briefly wrap us up then
00:57:27.570 --> 00:57:29.630
we, again really want
to thank you for your time
00:57:29.630 --> 00:57:30.800
and feedback.
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.300
And from that, this
feedback will be considered
00:57:35.300 --> 00:57:37.513
in the update to the ESJ Action Plan.
00:57:39.310 --> 00:57:41.760
We intend to release a
draft of that updated plan
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:44.230
later this spring and
will allow for additional
00:57:44.230 --> 00:57:46.880
public comment at that time.
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.720
And in the meantime, if
you have additional thoughts,
00:57:49.720 --> 00:57:51.500
please feel free to submit those
00:57:51.500 --> 00:57:56.500
to esjactionplan@cpuc.ca.gov.
00:57:58.860 --> 00:57:59.960
Thanks everyone again.
00:58:01.580 --> 00:58:02.552
Take care.
00:58:02.552 --> 00:58:05.058
Thank you.
Thank you.
00:58:05.058 --> 00:58:06.225
Bye.