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Welcome
to the California Public
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Utilities Commission
meeting on this day,
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January 14th, 2021,
President Batjer, you may begin.
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Thank you operator
and good morning.
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We need to establish a
quorum so in the agenda,
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please call the roll.
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Commissioner Shiroma.
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Present.
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Commissioner Guzman Aceves
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Present.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
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I'm here.
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President Batjer
Here, thank you.
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And a quorum has been established.
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Welcome to the California
Public Utilities Commission.
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I am calling this meeting
of January 14th, 2021,
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public agenda number 3478 to order.
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Through the coronavirus pandemic
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and the shelter in place order
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we are conducting today's
business meeting online
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and by remote participation.
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The meeting is live-streamed
on the CPUC's website.
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You can view the meeting
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Admin monitor is one word.
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critical to the CPUC process.
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will take your name and information.
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You will be called upon to speak
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when we get to the public
comment period in today's agenda.
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into the public telephone line,
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please email voting
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voting meeting health, all together.
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Before we commence
with the public comment
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I would like to share my
gratitude and excitement
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to start this new term
as a CPUC president.
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First, I would like to
thank Governor Newsome
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for his continued
support and confidence.
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My fellow Commissioners,
I would like to say
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that I'm inspired to know, I
will continue to work with you
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and count on our camaraderie
and with your wisdom.
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And to staff, I want you
to know I'm reinvigorated
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at with the fact that I
will continue to lead
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and work with some of the smartest
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and hardest working public
servants in state government.
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When I took on this role
nearly a year and a half ago,
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I knew we would
initiate important efforts
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that would require more
than 15 months of which
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to make meaningful progress.
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I am reassured and more determined
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to know this new term gives us the time
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to see through the critical
work we have started.
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And anyway, you look at it,
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we have been through a very
tumultuous and challenging year.
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And when we think about the
possibilities of the year ahead,
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we should expect it to be difficult
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but not less challenging,
but no less challenging.
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The people we serve have
endured unfashionable disruption
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and loss in recent months.
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More than ever Californians seek from us
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and those reregulate
to live up to our duties
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and commitments to predictably
provide high quality services
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to their lives can, excuse me,
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high quality service
their lives can depend on.
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They want certainty
from us in these moments
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when so much appears uncertain.
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The astronomic damage
caused by COVID-19 pandemic
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and the social inequities it
has highlighted for example,
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called upon us to maintain
an increased access to services
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that'd become more
essential as individuals
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and families move to shelter
work and learn from home.
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We also see these threats to certainty,
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California seek as we better
prepare for climate change
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and extreme weather events,
like those that contributed
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to the power outages last August.
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The acceleration of
climate change demands,
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we enhance our planning
efforts and regulatory requirements
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and with broader anticipation
for what is possible.
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It is my top priority this year
to ensure we have demand
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and supply side resources needed
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to maintain reliability
this summer and beyond,
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and to continue to decarbonize the grid.
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We are living through a
critical moment in history
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when our open and democratic
institutions at all levels
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are being called upon to step up
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and demonstrate they can deliver
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on their respective missions,
the CPUC is amongst them.
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So I call upon all of us at the CPUC
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to consciously fulfill this
duty by doing our part
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in ensuring the wellbeing
of all Californians
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and by so doing
restoring California's faith
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in the institution that give
all of them an equal voice
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in meeting their mission.
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You can count on my
devotion and leadership
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in this important effort.
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Now, before we move
on to public comment,
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there is an important item
I would like to report on.
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Pursuant to government code
one, one, one, two, six, a one.
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The Commission took action
at it's December 28th, 2020,
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a continuation meeting
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of its December 17th,
2020 closed session
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and voted to appoint a
new executive director
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by a roll call vote and
are reporting today
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that Rachel Peterson was
appointed as executive director
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by the following roll call vote.
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Genevieve Shiroma, yes.
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Martha Guzman Aceves, yes.
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Clifford Rechtschaffen, yes.
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Leanne Randolph, yes.
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Marybel Batjer, yes.
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Executive director
Peterson was most recently
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the CPUC's acting executive director.
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She has worked at the CPUC's since 2011
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in several leadership
positions including chief of staff
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and advisor to Commissioners.
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Acting director of the
safety policy division
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and deputy executive director
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for safety enforcement and policy.
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She has experienced in numerous areas
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of the CPUCs utility
regulation, including electricity,
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natural gas and safety
and transportation,
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and has led initiatives to
bring greater transparency
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to the CPUC's processes,
she is an attorney
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and a former non-profit
executive director.
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My fellow Commissioners
and I look forward
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to working very much with Rachel.
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Please join us in
welcoming executive director,
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Peterson in her new role.
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Okay, I'm gonna turn to Rachel,
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would you like to say a few words?
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Welcome executive director Peterson.
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Thank you very
much, President Batjer,
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and thank you to all the Commissioners
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including now chair Randalls
of the Air Resources Board.
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I am very deeply honored
to have been appointed
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as the new executive
director of the CPUC.
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We are a remarkable agency
with a significant role to play
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in California since we regulate
essential utility services.
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I want to emphasize
again the extraordinary work
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that everyone has done at
this agency to serve the public
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during this COVID-19 pandemic.
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As you just said, President
Batjer we stepped up
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and delivered in many, many ways.
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We're also already acting
on behalf of Californians
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in numerous ways as the
state pushes to turn the corner
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and emerge from the pandemic.
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And I just wanna
note that as you set out
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your top priorities for 2021,
mine are very similar to yours
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and hopefully compliment them.
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I wanted to just name
the six that I've identified
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for myself in this new role in 2021.
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First progress on our
diversity, equity, inclusion,
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staff morale and
upward mobility efforts.
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Second, ensuring that our core
operations teams are partners
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with all staff and provide that
excellent customer service.
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Third, reconceptualizing and planning
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our returns office space work.
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Forth, implementing the
new enforcement policy
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that you adopted last year,
which will definitely draw
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on nearly all of our
regulatory divisions.
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Fifth, regulatory work that
contemplates a drier future
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in California, as you just
noted the experiences
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that we had in 2020 will very
likely become more frequent.
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And this is going to
draw on our wildfire work,
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our energy work, our water
division, our environmental
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and social justice work just
in so many ways we are going
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to be impacted and will need
to continue our regulations
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in that dryer future.
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And then six, then last I'm
really excited about planning
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and actions that will move us
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toward a more innovative future.
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And this is about initiatives and ideas
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that have flowed from
you as Commissioners
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but also from our staff
efforts, like brought them for all,
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our engagement with California's tribes,
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remote access to our
proceedings consumer protection
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as the industries that
we regulate evolve,
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autonomous vehicles and
ride sharing access for all,
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the future of natural gas,
climate change adaptation,
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and you can just see
the range of efforts
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that we already have
going on that are going
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to help move California towards
that more innovative future.
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So thank you again, President
Batjer and Commissioners
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for the support and confidence
that you have placed in me
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to lead this remarkable
organization, thank you.
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Thank you very much, Rachel.
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And again, congratulations to you,
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we're just so privileged
and honored to have you.
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We will now turn to the public
comment period in our agenda.
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If you wish to make a public comment,
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and you have already dialed
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into the public comment telephone line,
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please press star one to get
into the public comment two.
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CPUC rules, do not allow
for parties in proceeding
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to speak about open proceeding.
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The public can make comments,
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addressing items on the
consent and regular agenda
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and including items
not on the agenda today.
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Please note that there
will not be public comment
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on items 9, 44 and all on
the closed session agenda.
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You will have two minutes to speak.
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Let me repeat, you will
have two minutes to speak.
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You'll hear a bell sound
when your time is up,
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please be mindful of
other speakers in the queue
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and keep to your allotted time.
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With that guidance in mind,
I welcome today's speakers.
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I will now turn to the operator
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to open the public comment
telephone line, operator.
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That public
comment line is now open.
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Our first speaker is Barbara Stebbins,
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please state your
organization, your line is open.
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My name
is Barbara Stebbins.
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I am with the Local
Clean Energy Alliance.
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We're calling in supportive
of the letter is submitted
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by Reclaim Our Power,
regarding the proposed decision
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on track two of the
microgrid proceedings.
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We urge the Commission
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to reject the current proposed decision
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and to include the
voices of black indigenous
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and people of color in making revisions
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to the proposed decisions
that will include control
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and ownership in development
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of these resources in those communities.
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The current proposed decision
gives almost complete control
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over microgrid development
to the investor on utilities
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which is completely contrary
to the intent of SB 1339
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which gave rise to these proceedings
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and was intended to
open up the distribution grid
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for microgrid development by community
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and other organizations.
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Frontline communities
are most at risk from failures
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of the current energy system
and their voices are critical
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to developing resilient alternatives
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including making decisions
such as which facilities
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are truly critical for these communities
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during climate derived or
other kinds of catastrophes.
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We urge you to include
the voices of these people
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in making decisions around
something so important
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as microgrid development
which will be the future
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of a reorganized energy
grid in California, thank you.
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Eminis Devons, operator
the next call, please.
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The next caller
is Lincoln Oliver O'Neill,
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please state your
organization, your line is open.
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Mr. O'Neil, please
check your mute button.
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Okay, sorry about that.
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Thank you for your recognition operator,
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good morning Commissioners.
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My name is Lincoln Oliver
O'Neill and I organized
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with the Sunrise movement
Bay Area Chapter.
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I'm calling today to say that we stand
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with Reclaim Our Power to
transform our energy system
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to meet our community
needs and endorsed the letter
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that they delivered to you on Monday.
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I myself have grown up in a time
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where the centralized
corporate controlled entities
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like PG&E have proven
to be lethal time and again.
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Young people in sunrise
are inheriting the climate crisis
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but we refuse to inherit the systems
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that have brought us here.
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Today we urge you to include
frontline community priorities
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on the track to microgrid
proceeding, proposed decision
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and call for the CQC to
allow community members
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not private utilities, to
define which facilities
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to protect against power shutoffs.
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To allow an organization who
has caused so much damage
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to make life or death decisions related
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to energy prioritization,
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reinforces a paternalistic
narrative that draws its strength
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from the white supremacist
roots of this country
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that we have already seen
surging around the America.
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That white people with
the deepest pockets
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know what's best for everyone.
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This is a deadly delusion
that we must let go of
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if we are to adapt our energy system
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and survive the climate crisis.
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I call upon the CPUC to
host community workshops
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to hear what the people
of California value,
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not the utilities that have
endangered our lives.
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Thank you and have a
great rest of your day.
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Thank you, Mr. O'Neill
operator, the next caller, please.
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The next
caller is Miriam Aye.
00:16:25.800 --> 00:16:28.963
Please state your name and
organization, your line is open.
00:16:30.560 --> 00:16:33.880
Hello, my
name is Miriam and I am
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with Sunrise Bay Area and I stand
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with the Reclaim Our Power campaign
00:16:38.850 --> 00:16:41.710
to transform our energy
system to meet community needs
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and endorse the letter they
delivered to you on Monday.
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We need energy that is
affordable, safe, and resilient,
00:16:48.540 --> 00:16:52.030
and utilities that are
community and worker controlled.
00:16:52.030 --> 00:16:57.030
For me, this means being able
to see my community members
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and myself, having a part
in the energy that we use.
00:17:01.170 --> 00:17:03.590
As we've seen time and time again,
00:17:03.590 --> 00:17:05.690
there's little or no
control over whether
00:17:05.690 --> 00:17:08.510
or not our electricity
is shut off, turned on,
00:17:08.510 --> 00:17:11.870
or how it is produced,
which has a direct impact
00:17:11.870 --> 00:17:14.533
on my future and the
future of those around me.
00:17:16.310 --> 00:17:19.950
We urge you to include frontline
community priorities today
00:17:19.950 --> 00:17:21.780
on the track you might
preferred proceeding,
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proposed decision and call
for the CPUC to not only ensure
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that microgrid and the grid itself
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is owned by the community,
00:17:32.740 --> 00:17:35.480
but also to ensure that it is clean.
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At the moment, the CPUC
has assured us that diesel
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is a short-term solution
that will be followed
00:17:42.507 --> 00:17:44.608
by a transition to clean
energy generation.
00:17:44.608 --> 00:17:48.550
And we demand that this
happens as soon as possible
00:17:48.550 --> 00:17:51.100
and that we can move
to the energy generation
00:17:51.100 --> 00:17:52.890
that will support our future.
00:17:52.890 --> 00:17:55.840
In addition, rather than simply staying
00:17:55.840 --> 00:17:58.390
at community controlled,
this energy system
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must be community owned,
ensuring the most simple
00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.056
and direct control of the community
00:18:05.056 --> 00:18:07.410
rather than keeping the complex model
00:18:07.410 --> 00:18:09.653
that has not worked
in the past, thank you.
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Thank you very much,
operator, the next caller, please.
00:18:15.280 --> 00:18:17.160
The next
caller is Rachel Cohen.
00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:20.363
Please state your name and
organization, your line is open.
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Good morning and
thank you for taking time
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to hear my comment,
my name is Rachel Cohen
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and I am a 23 year old
resident of San Francisco
00:18:29.420 --> 00:18:32.610
and a member of Sunrise
Movement Bay Area.
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As a young person who
understands the gravity of the effects
00:18:35.590 --> 00:18:38.930
of climate change and as a
recent graduate whose employment
00:18:38.930 --> 00:18:42.440
and finances have been largely
impacted by the pandemic,
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I'm calling to say that I stand
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with the Reclaim Our Power campaign
00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:49.790
to transform our energy system,
to meet community needs.
00:18:49.790 --> 00:18:52.930
I also endorsed the letter that
Reclaim Our Power delivered
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to the California Public
Utilities Commission on Monday.
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We need energy that is
affordable, safe and resilient,
00:19:00.070 --> 00:19:02.080
and we need to have community and work
00:19:02.080 --> 00:19:05.380
in control of utilities
as soon as possible.
00:19:05.380 --> 00:19:08.130
Microgrid must be
controlled by our communities
00:19:08.130 --> 00:19:09.910
because investor owned utilities
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have continually endangered
our lives in California.
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They're for profit and not for people.
00:19:15.620 --> 00:19:18.440
Please help to empower
communities to invest
00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:20.690
in their own energy futures.
00:19:20.690 --> 00:19:22.820
Additionally, I urge you to please
00:19:22.820 --> 00:19:26.040
include frontline
community priorities today
00:19:26.040 --> 00:19:28.910
on the track to microgrid proceedings.
00:19:28.910 --> 00:19:32.000
And I call for the California
Public Utilities Commission
00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:36.530
to ensure that the $200
million in microgrid incentives
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actually makes it to
disadvantage communities
00:19:39.150 --> 00:19:42.120
and even prioritizes these
disadvantaged communities
00:19:42.120 --> 00:19:43.620
over affluent communities
00:19:43.620 --> 00:19:45.890
and the dispersal of these incentives.
00:19:45.890 --> 00:19:48.380
These are the kinds of
changes that I feel we need
00:19:48.380 --> 00:19:51.660
for an equitable energy
model in California
00:19:51.660 --> 00:19:54.397
and that will support
everyone's future, thank you.
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Thank you, Ms. Cohen,
operator, the next caller please.
00:20:02.210 --> 00:20:03.940
The next
caller is Mary Rose,
00:20:03.940 --> 00:20:07.223
please state your name and
organization, your line is open.
00:20:09.520 --> 00:20:12.217
Good morning
Commissioners, this is Mary Rose.
00:20:12.217 --> 00:20:15.760
I'm the coordinator of the
Reclaim Our Power campaign,
00:20:15.760 --> 00:20:19.570
which is a campaign of thousands
of black indigenous people
00:20:19.570 --> 00:20:21.160
of color communities fighting
00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:25.810
for local clean energy
solutions in the face of an assault
00:20:25.810 --> 00:20:30.810
by the PG&E and IOUs by
fire by shut off by pollution.
00:20:31.760 --> 00:20:34.710
So we authored the letter
that was delivered to you
00:20:34.710 --> 00:20:37.840
on Monday, supported
by many, many community
00:20:37.840 --> 00:20:39.930
and clean energy organizations
00:20:39.930 --> 00:20:44.930
for how this microgrid program
can work for our communities
00:20:44.950 --> 00:20:48.930
and serve the needs of frontline
so that we can be resilient
00:20:48.930 --> 00:20:52.330
through fire shutoff
and the climate crisis.
00:20:52.330 --> 00:20:56.670
So after reviewing the
final decision for track two,
00:20:56.670 --> 00:21:00.830
we still see glaring
inadequacies of the program.
00:21:00.830 --> 00:21:05.830
So for instance, the 200
million microgrid incentive
00:21:06.009 --> 00:21:11.009
program is a good start,
but if we can't get the facilities
00:21:11.730 --> 00:21:14.500
that are essential to our communities,
00:21:14.500 --> 00:21:17.180
then it doesn't actually help us.
00:21:17.180 --> 00:21:21.420
So I'm actually an accidental
energy justice advocate,
00:21:21.420 --> 00:21:23.700
I grew up in the central
Valley as the daughter
00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:26.630
of farm workers and I appeal especially
00:21:26.630 --> 00:21:29.530
to Commissioner Shiroma and
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
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who has done long standing work
00:21:33.110 --> 00:21:34.670
with farm worker communities.
00:21:34.670 --> 00:21:37.640
So if we look at these
communities and what facilities
00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:40.050
are needed for resilient power,
00:21:40.050 --> 00:21:44.000
we need then the
community resource centers
00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:47.760
during shutoff to have microgrid power,
00:21:47.760 --> 00:21:51.030
we need cooling centers,
food banks, health clinics,
00:21:51.030 --> 00:21:53.710
childcare centers, and
currently the definition
00:21:53.710 --> 00:21:57.930
that we're seeing in the
decision does not include
00:21:57.930 --> 00:21:59.290
or lift up those communities
00:21:59.290 --> 00:22:00.990
to have these microgrid systems.
00:22:00.990 --> 00:22:04.010
And so we need the
definitions of critical facilities
00:22:04.010 --> 00:22:05.963
to include these types of buildings.
00:22:08.269 --> 00:22:09.950
Especially lift up the comments
00:22:09.950 --> 00:22:12.930
of the California
Environmental Justice Alliance
00:22:12.930 --> 00:22:17.213
federal definition
of critical facilities.
00:22:18.380 --> 00:22:21.770
There's more in our
letter and it will be echoed
00:22:21.770 --> 00:22:23.810
by other speakers that support
00:22:23.810 --> 00:22:26.547
the Reclaim Our Power
company, thank you.
00:22:28.772 --> 00:22:32.000
Thank you, operator
the next caller, please.
00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.210
The next
caller is Gabriel Gossner.
00:22:34.210 --> 00:22:36.890
Please state your name
as well as your organization,
00:22:36.890 --> 00:22:38.163
your line is open.
00:22:39.330 --> 00:22:41.470
Hello, can you hear me?
00:22:41.470 --> 00:22:43.250
Yes, we can.
00:22:43.250 --> 00:22:44.540
This is Gabe Gossner,
00:22:44.540 --> 00:22:49.540
I'm a member of DSA;
Democratic Socialists of America
00:22:50.190 --> 00:22:54.233
San Francisco Chapter and
Eco-socialists Committee.
00:22:55.340 --> 00:22:59.180
And also I am calling to stand
00:22:59.180 --> 00:23:01.770
with the Reclaim Our Power campaign
00:23:01.770 --> 00:23:04.640
and their letter that they
live with you on Monday.
00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:08.743
We need energy that is
affordable, safe and resilient,
00:23:08.743 --> 00:23:12.680
and, you know, influenced
and controlled by the community
00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:17.680
and workers specifically the microgrids
00:23:19.166 --> 00:23:21.910
should be clean, not dirty.
00:23:21.910 --> 00:23:26.910
The CPUC assure that Giza
would be a short term solution
00:23:27.850 --> 00:23:31.089
before transition to
clean generation already,
00:23:31.089 --> 00:23:33.980
it's quite possible to
have a backup power
00:23:33.980 --> 00:23:38.720
that is not diesel, and we
also need an opportunity
00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:40.083
for community ownership,
00:23:41.380 --> 00:23:44.353
especially now when
we face rolling blackouts,
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:47.270
communities that own
my kids can you know,
00:23:47.270 --> 00:23:49.420
avoid those things,
and there's no reason
00:23:49.420 --> 00:23:51.190
it's these canoes, you know,
00:23:52.045 --> 00:23:52.953
want to invest in them they can't.
00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:56.930
Furthermore, the process,
behind the proposed decision
00:23:56.930 --> 00:24:00.680
was rushed a pig and locked
out of community voices,
00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:05.633
and it really didn't comply
with the mandate of SB 1339,
00:24:06.505 --> 00:24:08.000
it was issued just before the holidays
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:11.670
with a very quick turnaround
time and no real lounge
00:24:11.670 --> 00:24:15.060
of community engagement,
and that's not really a way
00:24:15.060 --> 00:24:17.400
for us to build our future entity system
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.820
especially as we face
these rolling blackouts
00:24:19.820 --> 00:24:21.900
and where they need
to decentralize our grid
00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:25.210
and have an amazing
opportunity to centralize our grid
00:24:25.210 --> 00:24:30.210
with the growth of distributed
resources, such as solar,
00:24:30.560 --> 00:24:33.720
SPG 39 was passed to give
communities more control
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:35.940
over the microgrid development process,
00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:39.323
not relegated to PG&E
and other investment
00:24:39.323 --> 00:24:42.740
on utilities and PG&E
do this, thank you.
00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:50.343
Thank you, operator
the next caller, please.
00:24:51.260 --> 00:24:53.590
The next
caller is Jessica Tillbar,
00:24:53.590 --> 00:24:57.183
please state your name and
organization, your line is open.
00:24:59.270 --> 00:25:00.900
Hi, Jessica Tillbar,
00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:03.850
I'm with the East Bay
Clean Power Alliance
00:25:03.850 --> 00:25:08.440
in support of Reclaim
Our Power utility justice.
00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.024
And I just wanna echo what was said.
00:25:11.024 --> 00:25:15.790
We have an opportunity
here to provide resilience
00:25:15.790 --> 00:25:19.003
and clean energy for the
communities that need it the most.
00:25:19.910 --> 00:25:22.340
We have been living in
the shadows of dirty energy
00:25:22.340 --> 00:25:25.360
for way too long and
demanding that we get off
00:25:25.360 --> 00:25:29.610
of fossil fuels and implement
clean energy solutions
00:25:29.610 --> 00:25:33.687
in our communities to
serve us, to protect us,
00:25:33.687 --> 00:25:35.600
and so that our families can thrive.
00:25:35.600 --> 00:25:39.500
You have an opportunity
today to do better
00:25:39.500 --> 00:25:44.141
for our communities and
actually bail out our communities
00:25:44.141 --> 00:25:49.141
with resilience, with
health, with clean air.
00:25:49.260 --> 00:25:51.850
This is the time to do it.
00:25:51.850 --> 00:25:55.720
To move forward with a
diesel generated microgrid
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:59.790
is blatant disregard of
environmental justice communities
00:25:59.790 --> 00:26:02.100
throughout the state of California.
00:26:02.100 --> 00:26:07.000
We know what we need to do,
and we need to be empowered,
00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:08.713
we need to have ownership,
00:26:10.010 --> 00:26:12.490
we are living in a global pandemic
00:26:12.490 --> 00:26:16.950
with no end in sight at this point.
00:26:16.950 --> 00:26:19.073
We have people around us who are dying,
00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:25.160
dying from pollution,
dying from this virus
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:27.890
that is circulating in our communities.
00:26:27.890 --> 00:26:31.800
We need to be able
to survive this crisis
00:26:31.800 --> 00:26:34.800
and the money crisis is that
we are facing in our community.
00:26:35.770 --> 00:26:38.730
We demand that you do the right thing,
00:26:38.730 --> 00:26:43.730
implement clean energy
microgrid in our community
00:26:44.300 --> 00:26:47.493
So that we can move
forward in a healthy way.
00:26:48.860 --> 00:26:52.080
It's time that the CPUC step up
00:26:52.080 --> 00:26:54.423
and actively listened to our demands.
00:26:55.430 --> 00:27:00.280
We can't be living in this
mess that we've been living in,
00:27:00.280 --> 00:27:03.803
you can no longer move
forward and ignore our demands.
00:27:04.834 --> 00:27:08.053
We need to do this now,
clean power to the people.
00:27:09.890 --> 00:27:12.933
Thank you very much,
next caller, please.
00:27:13.830 --> 00:27:15.750
The next
color is Lee Miller.
00:27:15.750 --> 00:27:19.403
Please state your name and
organization, your line is open.
00:27:20.340 --> 00:27:21.900
Good morning Commissioners.
00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:25.050
My name is Lee Miller,
I live in Sacramento
00:27:25.050 --> 00:27:28.800
and I'm on the Board of
Directors for Solar Rights Alliance.
00:27:28.800 --> 00:27:31.770
Solar Rights Alliance
is a nonprofit association
00:27:31.770 --> 00:27:34.140
of California solar users.
00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:37.750
I am speaking on behalf of
Solar Rights Alliance today.
00:27:37.750 --> 00:27:41.540
We oppose the current
proposed decision on microgrids
00:27:41.540 --> 00:27:44.320
and ask that you make
changes outlined to you
00:27:44.320 --> 00:27:47.840
by the Reclaim Our Power coalition.
00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:50.650
Californians desperately
need more choices
00:27:50.650 --> 00:27:53.670
to protect themselves
from power outages,
00:27:53.670 --> 00:27:57.220
and outrageously high electricity bills.
00:27:57.220 --> 00:28:01.040
Microgrid power by
local solar and storage
00:28:01.040 --> 00:28:04.640
are a key solution, but
the solution only works
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.070
if we empowered communities
to establish microgrids
00:28:08.070 --> 00:28:12.530
in a way that they seek that
and do not allow the utilities
00:28:12.530 --> 00:28:14.220
to use their monopoly power
00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:17.660
to undercut community-based microgrids.
00:28:17.660 --> 00:28:21.610
The proposed decision gives
the utilities way too much power
00:28:21.610 --> 00:28:23.690
over microgrid development,
00:28:23.690 --> 00:28:27.700
which is ironic given the
utilities caused the problem
00:28:27.700 --> 00:28:29.960
that microgrids will solve.
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.530
Vote, no thank you
for listening to our input.
00:28:33.530 --> 00:28:34.403
Have a nice day.
00:28:35.620 --> 00:28:39.113
Thank you, Ms. Miller,
operator, the next caller, please.
00:28:40.110 --> 00:28:42.840
The next
caller is Al Wineruff.
00:28:42.840 --> 00:28:46.053
Please state your name and
organization, your line is open.
00:28:55.082 --> 00:28:56.982
Mr. Al, please check your mute button.
00:29:01.922 --> 00:29:03.732
I'm sorry, caller,
we do not hear you.
00:29:03.732 --> 00:29:06.815
I think you have your mute button on.
00:29:14.819 --> 00:29:19.140
The next
caller is Erica Morgan.
00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:20.930
Please state your name and organization,
00:29:20.930 --> 00:29:22.423
your line is now open.
00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:26.557
Thank you, good
morning, chair Batjer
00:29:26.557 --> 00:29:28.950
and Commission, my name is Erica Morgan,
00:29:28.950 --> 00:29:32.300
I'm a resident of San Diego
00:29:32.300 --> 00:29:35.720
and an independent clean
energy consultant working
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.760
to advance climate safe
alternatives in neighborhoods
00:29:38.760 --> 00:29:42.220
and local communities, I
am also on the committee
00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:45.483
of the California Alliance
for Community Energy.
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.750
And as such and for many reasons,
00:29:48.750 --> 00:29:50.900
I am a supporter of community choice
00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:53.950
as the most innovative
alternative we have
00:29:53.950 --> 00:29:58.710
to help reshape this
centuries old electricity system
00:29:58.710 --> 00:30:02.790
is that is causing so much
difficulty at the moment
00:30:02.790 --> 00:30:05.660
into one that utilizes
climate safe technologies
00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:08.200
to benefit all of our community.
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:11.262
I thank you for the
opportunity to come in today
00:30:11.262 --> 00:30:12.700
and have two things I want to say first,
00:30:12.700 --> 00:30:14.836
I want to urge the Commission
00:30:14.836 --> 00:30:17.580
to support the alternative
proposed decision
00:30:17.580 --> 00:30:22.580
under item 37 and 37a, as
one of many here in San Diego
00:30:23.320 --> 00:30:26.170
who've been supporting the
formation of community choice
00:30:27.312 --> 00:30:29.790
for over eight years,
it would be travesty
00:30:29.790 --> 00:30:34.030
against the loaders will
to undermine the launch
00:30:34.030 --> 00:30:39.030
of San Diego community
power by allowing the utility
00:30:39.410 --> 00:30:43.763
to artificially lower
its competitive rates.
00:30:44.650 --> 00:30:49.173
It is that's just an
unbelievable scenario.
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.117
I wanna thank Commissioner
Guzman Aceves for her leadership
00:30:54.117 --> 00:30:57.240
and her effort in crafting
the alternative decision
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:58.960
which should be adopted.
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.130
My second comment is to echo a lot
00:31:01.130 --> 00:31:03.410
of what you've heard here
already and urge the Commission
00:31:03.410 --> 00:31:07.700
to reject, rewrite and
reissue the proposed decision
00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:09.940
in the track to group proceeding.
00:31:09.940 --> 00:31:13.550
The proposed decision
as it is failed to consider,
00:31:13.550 --> 00:31:17.320
the voices, not only of the
communities as spelled out
00:31:17.320 --> 00:31:20.480
in Reclaim Our Powers
letter, but also the voices
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:25.480
of a great many of the parties
who commented on the function
00:31:25.700 --> 00:31:29.120
that this proposed decision should play
00:31:29.120 --> 00:31:34.120
in enabling community
operation of these facilities.
00:31:34.810 --> 00:31:37.930
So the extensive of record
needs to be reconsidered,
00:31:37.930 --> 00:31:39.420
and I thank you for the opportunity
00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:41.223
to say that, take care, bye-bye.
00:31:43.040 --> 00:31:46.310
Thank you very much,
operator the next caller, please.
00:31:46.310 --> 00:31:48.790
The next caller
is Beverley Dayshow.
00:31:48.790 --> 00:31:51.030
Your line is now open,
please state your name
00:31:51.030 --> 00:31:52.793
as well as your organization.
00:31:56.660 --> 00:31:58.380
Morning Commissioners.
00:31:58.380 --> 00:32:00.150
My name is Beverly
Dayshow I'm the president
00:32:00.150 --> 00:32:02.771
of the Electric Auto Association
00:32:02.771 --> 00:32:07.250
which has over 100 chapters
across the United States.
00:32:07.250 --> 00:32:11.250
And we are looking at the future
00:32:11.250 --> 00:32:15.470
of our whole economy
becoming electrified.
00:32:15.470 --> 00:32:20.470
And as such, if we have a
power outage, everything goes
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.440
you know, our heating, our
transportation, everything.
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:28.137
So I am in support of locally owned
00:32:31.540 --> 00:32:36.240
and controlled microgrids
and of your helping us
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.730
to be able to facilitate
that by actually SB 1339,
00:32:41.610 --> 00:32:43.943
as we have seen with the CCAs,
00:32:46.260 --> 00:32:50.477
the TPC has been
favoring policies of the IOU
00:32:54.040 --> 00:32:59.040
that are not conducive
to the success of CCAs,
00:32:59.300 --> 00:33:02.820
and I would like to see
that the CCAs are successful
00:33:02.820 --> 00:33:07.760
as well as locally owned
and operated microgrids.
00:33:08.620 --> 00:33:11.250
And especially this is an opportunity
00:33:11.250 --> 00:33:16.250
to repair some inequities by
giving special consideration
00:33:20.150 --> 00:33:21.963
to disadvantaged communities,
00:33:23.100 --> 00:33:26.910
those are communities know what we need
00:33:26.910 --> 00:33:29.730
what our critical facilities
are, and we should be able
00:33:29.730 --> 00:33:33.540
to make those choices
rather than that the IOUs do,
00:33:33.540 --> 00:33:37.270
and that we do not have
those choices locally.
00:33:37.270 --> 00:33:42.270
So I encourage you to
help us with local resilience
00:33:43.970 --> 00:33:47.030
by supporting locally owned
00:33:47.030 --> 00:33:50.527
and controlled microgrids, thank you.
00:33:53.300 --> 00:33:56.320
Thank you, operator,
the next caller please.
00:33:56.320 --> 00:33:58.040
The next
caller is Gregg Morris,
00:33:58.040 --> 00:34:00.730
please state your name
as well as your organization,
00:34:00.730 --> 00:34:02.023
your line is open.
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:05.760
Hello, this is Greg Morris
00:34:05.760 --> 00:34:08.180
at the Green Power Institute.
00:34:08.180 --> 00:34:10.220
And I would like to talk to you today
00:34:10.220 --> 00:34:13.273
about the intervener
compensation program.
00:34:15.164 --> 00:34:18.050
The intervener compensation program
00:34:18.050 --> 00:34:21.693
has various deadlines
written into statute,
00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:27.280
including for interveners
a 30 day deadline
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:32.180
from a pre hearing conference
to file a notice of intent,
00:34:32.180 --> 00:34:37.180
a 60 day window to file
a intervener comp claim
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:41.200
after a decision is rendered.
00:34:41.200 --> 00:34:46.200
If we fail to meet those
deadlines, we're basically out,
00:34:47.100 --> 00:34:49.770
and we recognize that
as part of the program
00:34:49.770 --> 00:34:54.770
and we accept that, but the
Commission has an obligation
00:34:55.390 --> 00:35:00.390
to settle filed claims
within 75 days of their filing.
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:09.320
I look at the latest data that
is on the Commission website
00:35:11.209 --> 00:35:16.209
and I find that, and
that date is dated 12/11.
00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:20.980
So therefore everything before 9/28
00:35:20.980 --> 00:35:22.320
should already be settled.
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.320
There are 137 claims
that are already overdue
00:35:28.730 --> 00:35:31.823
as of December 11th on that website.
00:35:33.620 --> 00:35:38.620
In fact of the claims that
are still legally eligible
00:35:39.910 --> 00:35:44.910
on that website, there
are 22 and not a single one
00:35:45.250 --> 00:35:48.430
has even been assigned to staff.
00:35:48.430 --> 00:35:52.840
And of course, assigning
the staff is only the first step,
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:56.400
it's still takes sometimes quite awhile
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.573
beyond that before there's a settlement.
00:36:01.120 --> 00:36:04.730
My estimate based on the
data that's on your website
00:36:04.730 --> 00:36:07.573
is that there must be
something like 150.
00:36:12.185 --> 00:36:15.610
Let me just, if that's my time say
00:36:15.610 --> 00:36:19.560
that you really need
to be settling three
00:36:20.500 --> 00:36:25.500
or more claims per week, just to keep up
00:36:25.900 --> 00:36:28.210
with the inventory coming in
00:36:28.210 --> 00:36:32.270
and that doesn't even
include the backlog.
00:36:32.270 --> 00:36:35.840
My institute has eight
claims pending right now,
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.020
seven of them are overdue.
00:36:39.020 --> 00:36:42.310
We make a great, I
think great contribution
00:36:42.310 --> 00:36:47.310
to the Commission, we need
to have our claims acted on
00:36:49.210 --> 00:36:51.210
on time, it makes it very hard
00:36:51.210 --> 00:36:56.180
to run a small public
interest organization,
00:36:56.180 --> 00:36:57.493
thank you very much.
00:36:59.030 --> 00:37:01.890
Thank you for your
information, Mr. Morris.
00:37:01.890 --> 00:37:04.050
The next caller, please.
00:37:04.050 --> 00:37:07.000
The next caller
is Matthew Vasilakis.
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.820
Please state your name
as well as your organization,
00:37:09.820 --> 00:37:11.073
your line is open.
00:37:12.860 --> 00:37:14.280
Thank you
and good morning chair
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.250
and Commissioners, my name
is Matthew Vasilakis co-director
00:37:17.250 --> 00:37:19.520
of Policy at Climate Action Campaign.
00:37:19.520 --> 00:37:20.610
Dialing in to support
00:37:20.610 --> 00:37:22.550
the revised alternate proposed decision
00:37:22.550 --> 00:37:27.160
by Commissioner Guzman
Aceves under items 37 and 37a.
00:37:27.160 --> 00:37:29.000
For nearly a decade a constellation
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.480
of grassroots community
organizations and leaders
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:34.410
have thought to bring energy,
democracy and fair competition
00:37:34.410 --> 00:37:36.520
to San Diego, families and businesses.
00:37:36.520 --> 00:37:38.800
After a long and arduous
battle, we are thrilled
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:40.760
to be on the cusp of
launching community choice
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.910
in our region, however, SDGs proposal
00:37:43.910 --> 00:37:46.760
to artificially decrease its
system average bundle rates
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.970
for 2021, as a clear
attempt to undermine
00:37:49.970 --> 00:37:51.920
and kill community twice in San Diego,
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.630
before he even launches and
causes distress and volatility
00:37:55.630 --> 00:37:57.510
on bundled customers rates.
00:37:57.510 --> 00:38:00.250
We appreciate Commissioner
Guzman as says leadership
00:38:00.250 --> 00:38:02.680
in protecting choice
competition and fair rates
00:38:02.680 --> 00:38:06.047
for San Diegans, we recommend
approval of the revised APD
00:38:06.047 --> 00:38:09.280
and support doing so with
the revision that directs SDG
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.940
to apply the system average
percent change method
00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:14.740
to protect all customer
restaurant uneven rate spikes.
00:38:14.740 --> 00:38:18.110
Thank you.
00:38:18.110 --> 00:38:21.250
Thank you, operator,
the next caller please?
00:38:21.250 --> 00:38:23.250
The next
caller is David McCord.
00:38:23.250 --> 00:38:25.670
Please state your name
and your organization,
00:38:25.670 --> 00:38:27.380
your line is open.
00:38:27.380 --> 00:38:31.447
This is Dave McCord and
I'm a rate payer and El Sabido.
00:38:31.447 --> 00:38:34.450
And I'm speaking on
today's proposed decision
00:38:34.450 --> 00:38:37.653
on microgrids in the
rule-making 1909009.
00:38:40.500 --> 00:38:45.020
I'm requesting that you modify
today's proposed decision
00:38:45.020 --> 00:38:50.020
to allow communities or
third parties to define, install
00:38:51.273 --> 00:38:56.273
and run their own
microgrids independently
00:38:56.330 --> 00:38:58.243
of the investor owned utilities.
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:03.223
Microgrids should not be
controlled only by the IOUs.
00:39:04.600 --> 00:39:07.610
If you cannot modify
this proposed decision,
00:39:07.610 --> 00:39:10.003
please take this up in a new decision.
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:14.720
On net energy metering,
the proposed decision
00:39:14.720 --> 00:39:19.370
was published January
five on guiding principles.
00:39:19.370 --> 00:39:22.220
Those of encouraging
they'll help us move
00:39:22.220 --> 00:39:24.020
in the right direction.
00:39:24.020 --> 00:39:27.820
In order to help the state
to meet its climate goals,
00:39:27.820 --> 00:39:30.110
incentives should be high
00:39:30.110 --> 00:39:35.110
to encourage additional net
energy metering participation.
00:39:35.640 --> 00:39:39.620
Caps on participant energy, production
00:39:39.620 --> 00:39:41.840
and storage need to be raised
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.380
and better participate in these goals.
00:39:45.380 --> 00:39:48.020
The more energy that can produce
00:39:48.020 --> 00:39:49.993
for the grid the better, I'm done.
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:56.867
Thank you, Mr. McCord,
I mean operator,
00:39:56.867 --> 00:39:58.263
the next caller, please.
00:39:59.260 --> 00:40:01.020
The next
caller is Eric Brooks.
00:40:01.020 --> 00:40:03.520
Please state your name
as well as your organization,
00:40:03.520 --> 00:40:04.623
your line is open.
00:40:06.150 --> 00:40:08.740
Yeah, I am
Eric Brooks actually.
00:40:08.740 --> 00:40:12.230
And I'm the coordinator of
Californians for Energy Choice
00:40:12.230 --> 00:40:15.850
which is a Statewide coalition
that's been in existence
00:40:15.850 --> 00:40:18.390
for 12 years to work to support
00:40:18.390 --> 00:40:21.693
and expand community-based
clean energy programs.
00:40:22.560 --> 00:40:26.532
I'm calling to support the
Reclaim Our Power letter
00:40:26.532 --> 00:40:30.523
and oppose the proposed
decision for microgrids.
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:36.260
You know, the investor
owned utilities, their entire,
00:40:36.260 --> 00:40:40.090
the core of their business
model, especially PG&E
00:40:40.090 --> 00:40:42.290
is to build large capital projects
00:40:42.290 --> 00:40:46.330
especially long range
transmission networks and charge us
00:40:46.330 --> 00:40:48.900
to use those long range
transmission networks
00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:52.810
which cause fire danger
and cause land loss
00:40:52.810 --> 00:40:54.653
that loses us electricity.
00:40:55.660 --> 00:40:57.690
The fact that that's the main source
00:40:57.690 --> 00:41:02.650
of their bread and butter,
makes it ridiculous quite frankly
00:41:02.650 --> 00:41:06.550
to put them in charge of
microgrids which are designed
00:41:06.550 --> 00:41:09.720
to take away, take communities away
00:41:09.720 --> 00:41:12.830
from those long range
transmission lines to make them safer
00:41:12.830 --> 00:41:15.540
and more resilient from power shut offs
00:41:15.540 --> 00:41:17.450
and to promote local community-based
00:41:17.450 --> 00:41:20.200
to clean energy adoption.
00:41:20.200 --> 00:41:23.868
So what we need is a proposed decision
00:41:23.868 --> 00:41:28.868
that will empower communities
to build their own microgrids
00:41:29.170 --> 00:41:31.830
and residents and businesses
in those communities
00:41:31.830 --> 00:41:36.254
to build their own microgrids
so that they're resilient
00:41:36.254 --> 00:41:41.254
and help diminish the use of
these long range power lines,
00:41:41.930 --> 00:41:44.591
this does exactly the opposite.
00:41:44.591 --> 00:41:47.100
The reality is the investor on utilities
00:41:47.100 --> 00:41:48.900
have an inherent conflict of interest
00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:52.030
and shouldn't own any microgrids at all.
00:41:52.030 --> 00:41:54.350
They should all be community-based,
00:41:54.350 --> 00:41:56.250
they should all be publicly owned
00:41:56.250 --> 00:41:59.300
and publicly planned and publicly run.
00:41:59.300 --> 00:42:01.720
That's the way this needs to be done,
00:42:01.720 --> 00:42:06.410
and especially because we need
to empower local communities
00:42:06.410 --> 00:42:09.370
and local businesses and local residents
00:42:09.370 --> 00:42:12.340
to create their own microgrids
in a way that allows them
00:42:12.340 --> 00:42:17.340
to produce excess renewable
energy to put out onto the grid.
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:20.360
There's no way that the
investor owned utilities
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.040
are gonna go along with that,
00:42:22.040 --> 00:42:27.040
because it's exactly the
opposite of their business model.
00:42:27.550 --> 00:42:30.130
So please reject this proposed decision
00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:33.890
and come up with something
that empowers local communities
00:42:33.890 --> 00:42:36.170
and provides jobs in local communities
00:42:36.170 --> 00:42:39.950
for building their own
microgrids that they control.
00:42:39.950 --> 00:42:42.610
Thank you.
00:42:42.610 --> 00:42:45.850
Thank you, operator,
our next caller, please.
00:42:45.850 --> 00:42:48.200
The next caller is
Dr. James Stewart,
00:42:48.200 --> 00:42:50.690
please state your name
as well as your organization,
00:42:50.690 --> 00:42:51.913
your line is open.
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:55.680
Hi, this is Dr. Jim Stewart,
00:42:55.680 --> 00:42:58.590
independent energy consultant.
00:42:58.590 --> 00:43:01.300
And I certainly agree
with the previous speakers
00:43:01.300 --> 00:43:05.030
you must allow commercial
third parties and communities
00:43:05.030 --> 00:43:08.570
to install and run their own microgrids.
00:43:08.570 --> 00:43:12.150
Having the IOUs run
them all is ridiculous
00:43:12.150 --> 00:43:16.090
and certainly inequitable
as all the previous speakers
00:43:16.090 --> 00:43:17.823
have demonstrated.
00:43:18.750 --> 00:43:23.090
In addition, I want to say
that the proposed decision
00:43:23.090 --> 00:43:28.090
on net energy metering
principle eight is way too narrow.
00:43:30.750 --> 00:43:35.750
You need to have the whole
net metering approach to embrace
00:43:40.180 --> 00:43:45.180
and include the societal
and health benefits.
00:43:45.910 --> 00:43:47.630
And that needs to be
00:43:47.630 --> 00:43:52.630
a complete societal total resources test
00:43:53.980 --> 00:43:58.467
that will actually value the generation
00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:03.820
of local rooftop, solar power, right?
00:44:03.820 --> 00:44:06.560
I mean, that's the
whole point of us getting
00:44:06.560 --> 00:44:11.560
to the elimination of fossil
fuels so that we can clean up
00:44:14.870 --> 00:44:19.350
and move to solve the global
warming issue is we need
00:44:19.350 --> 00:44:24.350
to value the great benefits
that happened to society as well
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.450
as to the customers and the entire grid
00:44:28.450 --> 00:44:31.010
by eliminating so much need
00:44:31.010 --> 00:44:34.070
for transmission et cetera, et cetera.
00:44:34.070 --> 00:44:37.077
And so that knit must be included.
00:44:37.077 --> 00:44:42.077
And then finally, this latest
report on Tyso blackout
00:44:43.890 --> 00:44:48.890
is indicating that the IOUs do not give
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:54.280
this TCA's real time
data from smart meters.
00:44:55.671 --> 00:44:58.820
And the result is that
the CCAs were not able
00:44:58.820 --> 00:45:02.820
to increase their day ahead orders
00:45:02.820 --> 00:45:07.283
and Cal ISO was way under forecasting.
00:45:08.910 --> 00:45:11.676
And I hope you can fix it
00:45:11.676 --> 00:45:15.780
with just a simple
administrative order, thank you.
00:45:18.012 --> 00:45:21.340
Thank you, Mr. Stewart,
next caller, please operator.
00:45:21.340 --> 00:45:23.350
The next
caller, Collin Miller,
00:45:23.350 --> 00:45:26.693
please state your name and
organization, your line is open.
00:45:29.250 --> 00:45:31.870
Staff and California
community members,
00:45:31.870 --> 00:45:34.450
my name is Colin Miller and I'm calling
00:45:34.450 --> 00:45:37.190
with Environmental Justice Solutions.
00:45:37.190 --> 00:45:41.610
I reside in Humboldt County
and occupied we yacht homelands,
00:45:41.610 --> 00:45:46.610
and I'm calling today with
Reclaim Our Power campaign
00:45:47.140 --> 00:45:50.980
to transform our energy
system, to meet community needs
00:45:50.980 --> 00:45:52.800
and to endorse the
letter that they delivered
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.930
to you on Monday, we need
energy that is affordable,
00:45:56.930 --> 00:46:01.410
that is safe and resilient and
utilities that are community
00:46:01.410 --> 00:46:05.340
and worker controlled
and microgrids controlled
00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:08.510
by our communities
are especially important
00:46:08.510 --> 00:46:10.630
because for California
to be safe and healthy
00:46:10.630 --> 00:46:13.053
we need to be resilient all the time.
00:46:14.010 --> 00:46:16.800
We deserve the power and the right
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.060
to community owned microgrids
00:46:19.060 --> 00:46:20.270
which can provide our communities
00:46:20.270 --> 00:46:22.540
with clean affordable power before,
00:46:22.540 --> 00:46:26.630
during and after power
shutoff to ensure that hospitals,
00:46:26.630 --> 00:46:30.130
food, banks, schools,
and people with disabilities
00:46:30.130 --> 00:46:34.150
and medical issues who
are dependent on that power
00:46:34.150 --> 00:46:37.680
to live can access it, so we urge you
00:46:37.680 --> 00:46:41.060
to include frontline
community priorities today
00:46:41.060 --> 00:46:45.060
on the track to microgrid
proceeding proposed decision
00:46:45.060 --> 00:46:48.430
and call for the CPUC
to increase investment
00:46:48.430 --> 00:46:51.313
in black indigenous and
people of color communities,
00:46:52.860 --> 00:46:55.995
to allow community
members, not private utilities,
00:46:55.995 --> 00:46:59.010
to define which facilities to protect
00:46:59.010 --> 00:47:01.480
against power shutoffs.
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:04.980
We encourage you to host
community workshops facilitated
00:47:04.980 --> 00:47:08.360
by a community-driven
climate resilience planner
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.940
to hear what frontline
and most impacted people
00:47:10.940 --> 00:47:14.300
of California value not the utilities
00:47:14.300 --> 00:47:15.620
that have endangered our lives
00:47:15.620 --> 00:47:18.180
and killed hundreds of California.
00:47:18.180 --> 00:47:21.210
And the process behind this
proposed decision was rushed
00:47:21.210 --> 00:47:25.690
with opaque and locked out
community voices did not comply
00:47:25.690 --> 00:47:29.900
with the mandate of legislation SB 1339.
00:47:30.770 --> 00:47:32.490
That legislation was passed
00:47:32.490 --> 00:47:37.490
to give communities more
control, not relegated to PG&E
00:47:37.970 --> 00:47:39.573
and other corporate IOUs.
00:47:41.060 --> 00:47:43.390
Community owned
microgrids are a critical solution
00:47:43.390 --> 00:47:44.680
that can meet our community's needs
00:47:44.680 --> 00:47:47.800
especially with this COVID-19 pandemic
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:52.230
and in LA one person dying
of COVID every six minutes.
00:47:52.230 --> 00:47:55.570
We need this to be community
owned now, thank you.
00:47:56.941 --> 00:47:57.774
Thank you, Mr. Miller.
00:47:57.774 --> 00:47:59.190
Operator, next caller, please.
00:48:00.454 --> 00:48:02.390
The next
caller is Jennifer Tanner.
00:48:02.390 --> 00:48:05.060
Please state your name
as well as your organization,
00:48:05.060 --> 00:48:06.373
your line is open.
00:48:07.470 --> 00:48:08.303
Jennifer Tanner,
00:48:08.303 --> 00:48:10.293
Indivisible California Green team.
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.030
Thank you very much for the open hearing
00:48:13.030 --> 00:48:15.470
and the opportunity to speak.
00:48:15.470 --> 00:48:19.740
The CPUC has had an opportunity
to commercialize microgrids
00:48:19.740 --> 00:48:24.416
with the directors clearly
laid out in SB 1339.
00:48:24.416 --> 00:48:26.840
To provide immediate
resiliency solutions
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:28.550
for our communities with the creation
00:48:28.550 --> 00:48:30.423
of robust microgrid tariffs.
00:48:31.470 --> 00:48:34.880
Instead, the CPUC is
approving wants to approve
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:39.080
an expensive rate payer
funded utility control program
00:48:39.080 --> 00:48:40.750
that will not result in the development
00:48:40.750 --> 00:48:42.933
of any microgrid for several years.
00:48:44.090 --> 00:48:46.110
This program does nothing
for our immediate need
00:48:46.110 --> 00:48:49.763
for resiliency today, or even
this year aspire seasons.
00:48:51.260 --> 00:48:53.670
Microgrids are not a new
technology and there's nothing
00:48:53.670 --> 00:48:56.570
in the record to
demonstrate they're not say.
00:48:56.570 --> 00:48:59.380
In fact it's the IOUs who are the ones
00:48:59.380 --> 00:49:01.750
who do not have safe infrastructure
00:49:01.750 --> 00:49:04.980
causing massive wildfires
and endless blackouts
00:49:04.980 --> 00:49:07.930
due to their shoddy infrastructure
and greedy shareholders.
00:49:09.150 --> 00:49:12.520
The IOUs are the ones, price gouging us,
00:49:12.520 --> 00:49:14.253
not developers of microgrids.
00:49:15.370 --> 00:49:17.800
Please stop making bogus
claims that you're worried
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:21.800
about price gouging, if
you wanted to avoid that
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:23.820
you would allow more competition
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:25.670
to give customers more choices
00:49:25.670 --> 00:49:27.813
for their power needs, not less.
00:49:29.250 --> 00:49:31.480
You have not met the
commercialization mandate
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.483
called for by SB 1339.
00:49:34.610 --> 00:49:37.020
You ignored letters from the legislator,
00:49:37.020 --> 00:49:38.460
including from the Bill's author
00:49:38.460 --> 00:49:41.270
and 16 legislators in December calling
00:49:41.270 --> 00:49:42.523
for a microgrid tariff.
00:49:44.010 --> 00:49:47.650
I urge you to focus on creating
a robust, micro good tariff
00:49:47.650 --> 00:49:51.380
and track too, so that all
customers and all communities
00:49:51.380 --> 00:49:54.400
can make their own
investments in microgrids.
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:56.700
And I urge you to begin
this work immediately.
00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:59.780
In summary I agree with all the people
00:49:59.780 --> 00:50:02.513
who have spoken
today very, very clearly.
00:50:03.710 --> 00:50:06.940
And I am disappointed
because after all this time
00:50:06.940 --> 00:50:09.660
and comments and hearings and years
00:50:09.660 --> 00:50:13.883
with bailing out the utilities,
nothing's has being done.
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:17.100
I hope this year will
be different, thank you.
00:50:19.985 --> 00:50:23.240
Thank you, operator,
next caller, please.
00:50:23.240 --> 00:50:26.120
The next caller is
Laura Rosenberger-Hyder,
00:50:26.120 --> 00:50:28.650
please state your as
well as our organization,
00:50:28.650 --> 00:50:29.720
your line is open.
00:50:42.526 --> 00:50:45.603
Yes, this is Lauren repair
00:50:45.603 --> 00:50:50.603
and well UC Davis pipeline
studies shows pipeline leakage,
00:50:53.730 --> 00:50:57.843
negates climate benefits
of renewable natural gas.
00:51:01.475 --> 00:51:03.543
Also another article.
00:51:05.690 --> 00:51:10.690
Alright, this is UC Davis
ITS research report 1620.
00:51:14.770 --> 00:51:17.290
The feasibility of renewable natural gas
00:51:17.290 --> 00:51:20.500
as large scale low carbon substitutes.
00:51:20.500 --> 00:51:22.980
Well, that was the name of the article.
00:51:22.980 --> 00:51:27.980
It shows pipeline costs are
estimated at 1 million per mile
00:51:28.390 --> 00:51:33.390
based on updating the EPA
region nine natural upgrading
00:51:33.740 --> 00:51:37.730
the EPA region nine
natural gas pipeline.
00:51:37.730 --> 00:51:42.730
They also found 0.39% leakage
of methane for each 680 miles
00:51:44.560 --> 00:51:47.540
of pipeline leads and venting
00:51:47.540 --> 00:51:49.853
and they can't really stop the venting.
00:51:51.380 --> 00:51:54.187
And also there was some study referenced
00:51:54.187 --> 00:51:57.800
by the concerned health
professionals of New York
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.200
and in their compendium
00:52:00.200 --> 00:52:04.220
concerned healthy newyork.org/companion
00:52:04.220 --> 00:52:07.980
on the higher leakage
rate found in recent studies
00:52:07.980 --> 00:52:09.431
than previously estimated
00:52:09.431 --> 00:52:12.370
for the natural gas infrastructure,
00:52:12.370 --> 00:52:15.473
which was the social
intended to be plans to be used.
00:52:19.530 --> 00:52:22.629
I mean, the article I was
quoting from UC Davis
00:52:22.629 --> 00:52:25.923
was by the author.
00:52:31.989 --> 00:52:34.530
No, I didn't actually
write that down, thanks.
00:52:34.530 --> 00:52:39.530
Amy Myers was the author,
it's June, 2016 study, right?
00:52:48.750 --> 00:52:51.593
Thank you, operator
the next caller, please.
00:52:53.060 --> 00:52:55.250
The next
caller is Tara Hammond,
00:52:55.250 --> 00:52:57.810
please state your name
as well as your organization,
00:52:57.810 --> 00:52:59.083
your line is open.
00:53:00.820 --> 00:53:02.720
Good morning, President
Batjer and Commissioners.
00:53:02.720 --> 00:53:05.630
My name is Tara Hammond
and I'm a San Diego resident.
00:53:05.630 --> 00:53:07.810
I helped advocate for
Community Choice Energy
00:53:07.810 --> 00:53:10.190
in San Diego for over nine years.
00:53:10.190 --> 00:53:14.150
In regard to item number
37 on today's agenda,
00:53:14.150 --> 00:53:17.420
I am deeply concerned
about SDG news proposal
00:53:17.420 --> 00:53:19.010
in this proceeding which could kill
00:53:19.010 --> 00:53:22.310
our community choice
energy program as it launches.
00:53:22.310 --> 00:53:24.893
Knowing SDG and his
track record of attacking clean
00:53:24.893 --> 00:53:27.120
and competition, it's hard to think
00:53:27.120 --> 00:53:28.480
that this isn't intentional
00:53:29.410 --> 00:53:31.840
SDG&E is introducing a substantial
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.080
and artificial rate decrease
00:53:34.080 --> 00:53:37.030
in its system average
bundled rates this year.
00:53:37.030 --> 00:53:38.500
The ridiculously low rates
00:53:38.500 --> 00:53:40.980
would have immediate
negative consequences
00:53:40.980 --> 00:53:44.070
on new CCE programs launching in 2021,
00:53:44.070 --> 00:53:47.900
including San Diego community
power and an eventual true-up
00:53:47.900 --> 00:53:49.880
is not the solution,
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.910
I wanna thank Commissioner
Guzman Aceves for her leadership
00:53:52.910 --> 00:53:55.680
with the revised alternative
proposed decision
00:53:55.680 --> 00:53:58.920
that properly rejects this
approach which fails to conform
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:00.723
to basic rainmaking principles.
00:54:01.570 --> 00:54:04.290
Not only does SDG&E
proposal stifled choice
00:54:04.290 --> 00:54:08.010
and competition that
we fought for 10 years for,
00:54:08.010 --> 00:54:11.290
it also causes the
stress through volatility
00:54:11.290 --> 00:54:13.210
on bundled customers rates.
00:54:13.210 --> 00:54:15.920
This is unreasonable to put
on families and businesses
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.540
in the middle of a pandemic
and an economic recession.
00:54:19.540 --> 00:54:20.780
I'd love for you to adopt
00:54:20.780 --> 00:54:23.700
the revised alternate proposed decision
00:54:23.700 --> 00:54:26.750
with the recent revision
that directs SDG&E
00:54:26.750 --> 00:54:29.730
to apply the system average
percent change method
00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:31.570
to protect all customer classes
00:54:31.570 --> 00:54:33.910
from an uneven spiking rates.
00:54:33.910 --> 00:54:36.550
This would help protect San
Diego families and businesses,
00:54:36.550 --> 00:54:39.350
while supporting choice
competition, affordable rates
00:54:39.350 --> 00:54:41.540
and a more sustainable future.
00:54:41.540 --> 00:54:44.310
Also, I echo the comments
today that support rejecting
00:54:44.310 --> 00:54:46.350
and rewriting the microgrid PD
00:54:46.350 --> 00:54:48.760
to better support
communities of concern,
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:49.773
thank you very much.
00:54:51.570 --> 00:54:54.743
Thank you Ms. Hammond,
the next caller please, operator.
00:54:55.900 --> 00:54:56.990
The next caller is Jill,
00:54:56.990 --> 00:54:59.610
please state your name
as well as your organization,
00:54:59.610 --> 00:55:00.883
your line is open.
00:55:11.070 --> 00:55:12.870
Jill, please check your mute button.
00:55:15.780 --> 00:55:18.193
Hello, can you hear me now?
00:55:19.040 --> 00:55:21.620
Yes, we can please continue.
00:55:21.620 --> 00:55:26.540
I'm Jill for peace, I
endorsed the letter submitted
00:55:26.540 --> 00:55:30.670
by Reclaim Our Power campaign
to transform our energy system
00:55:30.670 --> 00:55:32.530
to meet community needs.
00:55:32.530 --> 00:55:36.040
We seek an affordable, safe
and resilient energy structure
00:55:36.040 --> 00:55:38.890
which is community
and worker controlled.
00:55:38.890 --> 00:55:42.880
We seek opportunities for
community ownership in order
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:44.620
to empower these communities
00:55:44.620 --> 00:55:49.220
to invest in their own energy
needs, desires, and futures.
00:55:49.220 --> 00:55:51.880
We seek assurance that microgrids
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.350
utilize clean sustainable
energy sources,
00:55:55.350 --> 00:55:57.520
and we seek increased investment
00:55:57.520 --> 00:56:00.163
in disadvantaged communities, thank you.
00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:06.540
Thank you, operator,
the next caller, please.
00:56:07.982 --> 00:56:09.430
The next
caller is Shayla Od.
00:56:09.430 --> 00:56:11.870
Please state your name
as well as your organization,
00:56:11.870 --> 00:56:13.113
your line is open.
00:56:15.420 --> 00:56:17.620
Hi, good
morning CPUC president
00:56:17.620 --> 00:56:20.540
and Commissioners, my name is Shayla Od
00:56:20.540 --> 00:56:22.220
am with Hammond climate solutions
00:56:22.220 --> 00:56:24.700
and am a San Diego resident.
00:56:24.700 --> 00:56:29.160
I'm calling in regarding
agenda items, 37 and 37a
00:56:29.160 --> 00:56:30.430
to recommend adoption
00:56:30.430 --> 00:56:33.190
of the revise alternate
proposed decision
00:56:33.190 --> 00:56:37.573
that rejects SDGs absurd
and artificially decreased rates.
00:56:38.470 --> 00:56:40.960
The proposed rates would
immediately negatively
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:44.520
impact new community
choice energy programs
00:56:44.520 --> 00:56:49.520
that to launch in 2021 including
San Diego community power,
00:56:50.090 --> 00:56:53.830
restraining choice and
competition that we fought for
00:56:53.830 --> 00:56:57.040
and causing unnecessary
anguish through volatility
00:56:57.040 --> 00:56:59.450
on bundled customers rate.
00:56:59.450 --> 00:57:02.400
I recommend adopting the revised APD
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:06.420
including the recent
revision that directs SDG&E
00:57:06.420 --> 00:57:09.926
to apply the system average
percent change method,
00:57:09.926 --> 00:57:12.210
to protect all customer classes
00:57:12.210 --> 00:57:14.730
from an uneven spiking rates.
00:57:14.730 --> 00:57:17.770
Thank you to Commissioner
Guzman Aceves and her office
00:57:17.770 --> 00:57:20.930
for protecting San Diego
families and businesses
00:57:20.930 --> 00:57:23.890
by rejecting SDG&E proposition.
00:57:23.890 --> 00:57:26.160
I also wanted to reiterate
what folks have said
00:57:26.160 --> 00:57:29.187
in their comments today
that support a rejection of,
00:57:29.187 --> 00:57:32.830
and a rewrite of the
microgrid proposed decision
00:57:32.830 --> 00:57:37.030
to ensure communities of
concern are sufficiently supported
00:57:37.030 --> 00:57:39.770
and included in these
significant decisions.
00:57:39.770 --> 00:57:44.490
Thank you so much.
00:57:44.490 --> 00:57:47.640
Thank you, operator,
the next caller, please.
00:57:47.640 --> 00:57:49.740
The next
caller is Alice Sang,
00:57:49.740 --> 00:57:52.300
please state your name
as well as your organization,
00:57:52.300 --> 00:57:54.350
your line is open.
00:57:54.350 --> 00:57:56.210
Thank you,
Alice Sand=g principal
00:57:56.210 --> 00:57:57.890
of Greenbank Associates.
00:57:57.890 --> 00:58:00.350
I'm an independent school's architect
00:58:00.350 --> 00:58:02.500
and sustainability professional.
00:58:02.500 --> 00:58:04.790
Today I speak as a climate advocate
00:58:04.790 --> 00:58:07.090
for zero carbon public school districts
00:58:07.950 --> 00:58:11.873
and the cities within that support over,
00:58:11.873 --> 00:58:16.873
I'm speaking on behalf
of over 10,000 school sites
00:58:17.490 --> 00:58:21.993
in 1000 school districts
and 6 million school students.
00:58:23.120 --> 00:58:25.440
We stand with the Reclaim
Our Power campaign
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:29.200
to transform our energy system
to meet community needs,
00:58:29.200 --> 00:58:31.770
including those of
public school districts,
00:58:31.770 --> 00:58:33.230
community college districts
00:58:33.230 --> 00:58:34.830
and the cities that they're within.
00:58:34.830 --> 00:58:38.383
We endorse the letter that
they deliver to you on Monday.
00:58:39.574 --> 00:58:44.020
We believe that we need
energy that's affordable, safe,
00:58:44.020 --> 00:58:48.635
and resilient and utilities
that are community
00:58:48.635 --> 00:58:50.950
and public school district
00:58:50.950 --> 00:58:53.516
and community college district owned.
00:58:53.516 --> 00:58:57.190
We urge you to include the
frontline community priorities
00:58:57.190 --> 00:59:01.360
which also includes public
school districts and the concerns
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:05.760
of over 6 million school-aged children.
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:09.970
Over half of which are
title one eligible, frontline
00:59:09.970 --> 00:59:13.373
disadvantaged community,
students, and families.
00:59:14.370 --> 00:59:19.370
So in speaking, we
urge you to rewrite track
00:59:19.430 --> 00:59:22.370
to microgrid proceeding
proposed decision,
00:59:22.370 --> 00:59:27.010
but before doing so
come to the communities
00:59:27.010 --> 00:59:30.000
for community workshops and
speak to public school districts
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.510
and public community
colleges and cities together
00:59:33.510 --> 00:59:38.510
to create a true a plan that
meets the intent of SB 1339.
00:59:40.070 --> 00:59:44.920
And I just wanna reiterate
three or four points from that.
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:46.010
We would like to request
00:59:46.010 --> 00:59:48.290
that you allow community
members school districts,
00:59:48.290 --> 00:59:51.754
and community colleges
and cities, not private utilities
00:59:51.754 --> 00:59:56.210
to define which facilities to
protect against power shutoff,
00:59:56.210 --> 00:59:59.840
schools and community
facilities need this ability
01:00:00.890 --> 01:00:02.420
within their own communities.
01:00:02.420 --> 01:00:05.270
And to ensure that
zero-carbon school districts
01:00:05.270 --> 01:00:09.350
as we move forward are
not clean and not dirty,
01:00:09.350 --> 01:00:12.440
and we support community
ownership as well
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:15.470
as self-determination
by public school districts.
01:00:15.470 --> 01:00:16.433
Thank you so much.
01:00:18.670 --> 01:00:21.503
Thank you, Miss Sang,
operator the next caller please.
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:25.010
The next
caller is Erica Alderson,
01:00:25.010 --> 01:00:27.380
please state your name
as well as your organization,
01:00:27.380 --> 01:00:28.593
your line is open.
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:34.180
Hi, my name is Eric Edelson,
I live in Mendocino County
01:00:34.180 --> 01:00:37.973
and I am a customer
of Sonoma Clean Power.
01:00:39.030 --> 01:00:43.460
My area has frequent power outages,
01:00:43.460 --> 01:00:45.840
sometimes they last as long as a week,
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.760
one I think the longest was 12 days
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:52.610
and these blackouts
usually occur in the summer
01:00:52.610 --> 01:00:55.580
when it's often over a
hundred degrees up here
01:00:56.705 --> 01:01:00.870
and to go that long without
electricity or refrigeration
01:01:00.870 --> 01:01:03.200
is truly life-threatening.
01:01:03.200 --> 01:01:07.790
My family spent $4,000
installing a backup generator
01:01:07.790 --> 01:01:11.150
but I know most people can't afford that
01:01:11.150 --> 01:01:15.220
and I'm very worried
about their wellbeing.
01:01:15.220 --> 01:01:20.040
I think that Reclaim Our
Power has very solid ideas
01:01:20.040 --> 01:01:24.050
about what a community
driven energy resilience program
01:01:24.050 --> 01:01:25.610
should ideally look like.
01:01:25.610 --> 01:01:30.320
And I urge the Commission
to revise its proposed decision
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:33.223
to include their suggestions, thank you.
01:01:35.540 --> 01:01:38.793
Thank you, Ms. Ellison, the
next caller, please operator.
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.040
The next
caller is Pete Y. Wedi.
01:01:42.040 --> 01:01:44.980
Please state your name
as well as your organization,
01:01:44.980 --> 01:01:46.273
your line is open.
01:01:47.870 --> 01:01:49.690
Good morning Commissioners,
01:01:49.690 --> 01:01:51.640
thank you for the time here.
01:01:51.640 --> 01:01:54.030
I'd like to reference
what many have said
01:01:54.030 --> 01:01:56.984
about Reclaim Our Power letter.
01:01:56.984 --> 01:01:59.040
I represent Reclaim Our
Power which is an organization
01:01:59.040 --> 01:02:03.780
of thousands of people
of color, low income people
01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:07.180
and rate payers across California.
01:02:07.180 --> 01:02:10.540
And we want my
comments to reflect the letter
01:02:10.540 --> 01:02:11.890
that we put in on Monday.
01:02:11.890 --> 01:02:16.890
I'd also like to speak about
the certainty of what you spoke
01:02:16.980 --> 01:02:19.560
of President Batjer at the
opening of the meeting,
01:02:19.560 --> 01:02:22.360
you know, currently the
only certainty that we've got
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:27.080
when we stay inside of PG&E
structures is there certainty
01:02:27.080 --> 01:02:31.550
of pursuing a profit motive
and not caring about the lives
01:02:31.550 --> 01:02:36.270
and livelihoods and the lungs
and the land of Californians.
01:02:36.270 --> 01:02:40.640
And so when we saw this Commission,
01:02:40.640 --> 01:02:45.640
the decision come out and
we made furious quick efforts
01:02:46.180 --> 01:02:48.900
over a short timeframe
and an opaque process
01:02:48.900 --> 01:02:53.260
to put our comments in
and recognize that most
01:02:53.260 --> 01:02:55.960
of what the decision
does just keeps power
01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:59.020
in the hands of PG&E as
opposed to putting it truly
01:02:59.020 --> 01:03:02.090
in the hands of those most
effected by their failures
01:03:02.090 --> 01:03:05.010
and the changing energy
system, we were frustrated.
01:03:05.010 --> 01:03:08.680
And so we want the
significant change both
01:03:08.680 --> 01:03:13.680
to redefine the language
of the proposed decision
01:03:13.950 --> 01:03:18.270
to reflect expanding who defines,
01:03:18.270 --> 01:03:22.920
what facilities are critical
including health, hospitals,
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:26.120
food banks, et cetera but
really putting it in the hands
01:03:26.120 --> 01:03:28.240
of the people recognizing
01:03:28.240 --> 01:03:30.200
that you all made
some slight adjustments
01:03:30.200 --> 01:03:33.720
to the proposed decision
that you're voting on today,
01:03:33.720 --> 01:03:36.230
to add some workshops in some time,
01:03:36.230 --> 01:03:38.920
but then to explicitly
say in those workshops
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.720
these should not change settled issues
01:03:41.720 --> 01:03:45.328
in the proposed decision,
that's frustrating on top
01:03:45.328 --> 01:03:50.328
of a disappointment of really
not representing the community
01:03:50.744 --> 01:03:54.590
and what our communities need.
01:03:54.590 --> 01:03:59.210
I'd also like to add, then
we are now in a process
01:03:59.210 --> 01:04:02.860
and should be in a
public visible process.
01:04:02.860 --> 01:04:06.160
That's easy being held
accountable for their failure
01:04:06.160 --> 01:04:08.480
to chop down the appropriate trees.
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:12.150
They're a failure to
prevent the Zog fire there,
01:04:12.150 --> 01:04:13.193
that consistent shutoffs
01:04:13.193 --> 01:04:15.700
that have harmed disabled communities,
01:04:15.700 --> 01:04:18.170
people of color, et cetera.
01:04:18.170 --> 01:04:21.170
We want all of that to be
taken into consideration,
01:04:21.170 --> 01:04:24.640
when we think about what
makes a good process.
01:04:24.640 --> 01:04:27.880
So please follow the
reclaiming of power letter,
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:29.780
bring community truly into the process
01:04:29.780 --> 01:04:32.653
of bringing micro
goods into our energies.
01:04:35.550 --> 01:04:38.707
Thank you, operator,
next caller please.
01:04:38.707 --> 01:04:41.530
The next caller
is Gabby Lichtenstein,
01:04:41.530 --> 01:04:44.320
please state your name
as well as your organization,
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:45.523
your line is open.
01:04:48.410 --> 01:04:49.850
Thank you,
and good morning.
01:04:49.850 --> 01:04:53.640
My name is Gabby Lichtenstein
and I'm a graduate student
01:04:53.640 --> 01:04:55.423
and recent Berkeley resident.
01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:58.160
I am calling today in support
01:04:58.160 --> 01:05:01.670
of the Reclaim Our Power
utility justice campaign flutter
01:05:01.670 --> 01:05:05.030
regarding track two of
the microgrid proceeding.
01:05:05.030 --> 01:05:08.020
And I'm calling on you all to
implement the demands outlined
01:05:08.020 --> 01:05:09.903
within it like many others today.
01:05:10.810 --> 01:05:13.790
Microgrids must be
community-led and owned,
01:05:13.790 --> 01:05:18.110
Clean and not diesel and do
much more to environmental
01:05:18.110 --> 01:05:20.610
and economic violence,
that's perpetuated
01:05:20.610 --> 01:05:22.800
by the utilities you regulate,
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:25.860
the a far more substantial
resources allocated directly
01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:27.773
to black indigenous people of color
01:05:27.773 --> 01:05:30.400
and frontline communities.
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:31.640
As Californians continued
01:05:31.640 --> 01:05:34.780
to suffer through deadly
utility cause wildfires
01:05:34.780 --> 01:05:36.920
and power shut off to millions,
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:39.130
it's really vital that
you take power away
01:05:39.130 --> 01:05:42.040
from these institutions
that are killing people.
01:05:42.040 --> 01:05:45.350
Like so many others today,
I'm calling on you to follow
01:05:45.350 --> 01:05:49.670
and invest in community
power for resilience and justice.
01:05:49.670 --> 01:05:50.503
Thank you.
01:05:53.075 --> 01:05:55.900
Thank you very much, operator,
are there any other callers
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on the line?
01:05:57.450 --> 01:05:58.450
Yeah, no more speakers
01:05:58.450 --> 01:06:00.333
on the public comment telephone line.
01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:04.193
Okay, thank you operator.
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.463
We will now with no
more callers on the line,
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the public comment period is now closed.
01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:15.413
Thank you all for participating
this morning with us.
01:06:17.401 --> 01:06:19.060
This is a following
moving on our agenda.
01:06:19.060 --> 01:06:22.493
These are the following
changes to today's agenda.
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:31.840
The item number four will
be held until the February, 11
01:06:32.110 --> 01:06:34.610
2021 Commission meeting.
01:06:34.610 --> 01:06:39.503
Item six will also be
held to February 11th, 21.
01:06:40.570 --> 01:06:44.423
Item eight will be held
to February, 11/21.
01:06:45.640 --> 01:06:47.563
Item nine has been withdrawn.
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:52.873
Item 15 will be held
until February, 11/21.
01:06:53.790 --> 01:06:58.790
Item 22 will be held
until February, 11/21.
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:03.870
Item 35 will be held
until February, 11/21.
01:07:03.870 --> 01:07:08.870
Item 39 will be held
until February, 11/21
01:07:09.470 --> 01:07:11.673
and item 42 has been withdrawn.
01:07:13.620 --> 01:07:18.620
So before we move on to the
consent item on today's agenda
01:07:19.690 --> 01:07:24.300
we will take up item 46,
which is the management report
01:07:24.300 --> 01:07:26.350
and administrative activities.
01:07:26.350 --> 01:07:30.407
He'd Scala, the director
of efficiency, electrification
01:07:30.407 --> 01:07:33.700
and procurement in the energy division
01:07:33.700 --> 01:07:37.100
will make a today's presentation
01:07:37.100 --> 01:07:40.020
on the final root cause analysis
01:07:40.020 --> 01:07:43.040
of the August electric outages.
01:07:43.040 --> 01:07:47.420
And we also have Ed Randolph,
the deputy executive director
01:07:47.420 --> 01:07:52.420
or energy climate and
policy available to join Pete,
01:07:52.610 --> 01:07:56.130
if there are any questions
after Pete's presentation.
01:07:56.130 --> 01:07:57.003
So Pete?
01:08:02.990 --> 01:08:03.890
Hello, everyone.
01:08:05.690 --> 01:08:10.690
I'm executive professor,
can you hear me?
01:08:12.860 --> 01:08:14.910
Yes, we can hear
you fine please, okay.
01:08:15.890 --> 01:08:18.693
So waiting for the
slide deck to come up.
01:08:35.407 --> 01:08:38.810
I think, I guess there it ends up
01:08:38.810 --> 01:08:40.708
in one of the screens here,
01:08:40.708 --> 01:08:42.260
I'm not sure if others can see it.
01:08:42.260 --> 01:08:44.910
It's in the small
screen, there you go.
01:08:48.360 --> 01:08:49.503
Okay, now we're good.
01:08:51.220 --> 01:08:56.220
Great, so first
off, I'll say that there
01:08:59.610 --> 01:09:02.210
are no major changes
in the analysis findings
01:09:02.210 --> 01:09:05.300
or recommendations in
the final document relative
01:09:05.300 --> 01:09:08.260
to the preliminary
report issued in October
01:09:08.260 --> 01:09:11.880
that I presented to you
on in an October meeting.
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:14.350
The updates in the final
report are primarily driven
01:09:14.350 --> 01:09:17.350
by the availability of
settlement quality meter data,
01:09:17.350 --> 01:09:21.403
it was not available in
October, next slide please.
01:09:25.490 --> 01:09:27.510
So the final report affirms the finding
01:09:27.510 --> 01:09:29.150
in the preliminary analysis that there
01:09:29.150 --> 01:09:32.920
were three overarching
root causes of the outages.
01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:35.500
The first is that climate
change induced heat wave
01:09:35.500 --> 01:09:39.780
across the West exceeded
our resource adequacy
01:09:39.780 --> 01:09:44.020
and planning targets
and related to this finding,
01:09:44.020 --> 01:09:48.850
the final report updates,
some of the weather analysis
01:09:48.850 --> 01:09:51.690
by the CEC which
modifies the description
01:09:51.690 --> 01:09:55.990
of the August event to be
1:30 August weather event
01:09:55.990 --> 01:09:59.590
for California, and also
identifies the labor day heat wave
01:09:59.590 --> 01:10:02.173
as a one in 70 or
September weather event.
01:10:03.450 --> 01:10:05.170
Second, our planning targets
01:10:05.170 --> 01:10:07.770
have not added sufficient
resources to meet the man
01:10:07.770 --> 01:10:11.220
in the early evening hours
of extremely hot days.
01:10:11.220 --> 01:10:13.170
And finally several practices
01:10:13.170 --> 01:10:16.223
in the energy markets exacerbated
these supply challenges.
01:10:17.730 --> 01:10:22.730
Next slide please, so the
most noteworthy updates
01:10:23.810 --> 01:10:26.830
in the front of report
include additional data
01:10:26.830 --> 01:10:29.230
and discussion related
to the labor day weekend.
01:10:31.936 --> 01:10:35.210
More information about
the performance of resources
01:10:35.210 --> 01:10:37.460
during the extreme heat
wave and in particular
01:10:37.460 --> 01:10:40.750
an updated analysis of the
performance of demand response
01:10:40.750 --> 01:10:42.713
based on settlement quality meter data.
01:10:44.160 --> 01:10:47.200
A more granular analysis
of the under scheduling
01:10:47.200 --> 01:10:48.863
of load in the day ahead market,
01:10:49.887 --> 01:10:54.490
references to the department
of market monitoring report
01:10:54.490 --> 01:10:56.970
on August outages it
was issued subsequent
01:10:56.970 --> 01:10:59.543
to the preliminary root cause analysis.
01:11:00.460 --> 01:11:04.900
And also updated recommendations
that reflect the status
01:11:04.900 --> 01:11:06.560
of work to prevent future outages,
01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:10.243
but it's already underway
at the PUCC and CAISO,
01:11:12.330 --> 01:11:13.280
next slide, please.
01:11:17.080 --> 01:11:20.540
So I'll start with the most
important part of this effort,
01:11:20.540 --> 01:11:23.330
the actions we are taking in
response to what was learned
01:11:23.330 --> 01:11:24.960
through the root cause analysis,
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:27.260
several of which were
updated in final report.
01:11:28.750 --> 01:11:31.320
Starting with actions that
have already been initiated,
01:11:31.320 --> 01:11:33.690
we continue to track
progress on generation
01:11:33.690 --> 01:11:35.050
and battery storage projects
01:11:35.050 --> 01:11:36.850
that are currently under construction
01:11:36.850 --> 01:11:39.780
to ensure that there are no
PUC related regulatory barriers
01:11:39.780 --> 01:11:41.650
that would prevent them
from being completed
01:11:41.650 --> 01:11:43.760
by their targeted online date.
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:46.660
To that end there's a resolution
approving several projects
01:11:46.660 --> 01:11:49.260
supporting San Diego Gas & Electric,
01:11:49.260 --> 01:11:52.860
ERP procurement requirements
on today's Consent Agenda.
01:11:52.860 --> 01:11:55.730
Similarly, the CAISO is
continuing to work with developers
01:11:55.730 --> 01:11:58.330
to address the interconnection
issues as they arise.
01:11:59.980 --> 01:12:03.630
And as you know, we have
opened an expedited reliability
01:12:03.630 --> 01:12:06.310
of rulemaking to procure,
additional resources
01:12:06.310 --> 01:12:09.550
for summer 2021 that is
looking at a broad range
01:12:09.550 --> 01:12:11.743
of both supply and demand side resource.
01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:16.450
The CAISO was also
expediting a stakeholder process
01:12:16.450 --> 01:12:18.170
to consider a market rule
01:12:18.170 --> 01:12:20.830
and practice improvements
for this summit.
01:12:20.830 --> 01:12:22.700
This initiative will consider changes
01:12:22.700 --> 01:12:25.550
in incentivize more
accurate scheduling of load
01:12:25.550 --> 01:12:30.550
in the day ahead market
appropriate participation of exports
01:12:31.630 --> 01:12:34.240
and an evaluation of performance
incentives and penalties
01:12:34.240 --> 01:12:35.363
for already resource.
01:12:36.710 --> 01:12:37.850
Through separate initiatives,
01:12:37.850 --> 01:12:39.920
the CAISO will also be pursuing changes
01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:42.370
to its planned outage
rules, and we'll also work
01:12:42.370 --> 01:12:44.400
with stakeholders
to ensure the efficient
01:12:44.400 --> 01:12:46.500
and reliable operation
of battery storage,
01:12:46.500 --> 01:12:48.820
given the significant
amount of new stores
01:12:48.820 --> 01:12:51.520
that it's being brought online
this summer and beyond.
01:12:53.116 --> 01:12:55.410
The CEC is also conducting
probabilistic studies
01:12:55.410 --> 01:12:57.380
that evaluate the lots
of load expectation
01:12:57.380 --> 01:13:01.290
on the California
system, and in addition,
01:13:01.290 --> 01:13:03.820
preparations are underway
to improve coordination
01:13:03.820 --> 01:13:06.770
in the event of stress grid
conditions in the future,
01:13:06.770 --> 01:13:09.150
including communication
protocols and the development
01:13:09.150 --> 01:13:10.980
of a contingency plan drawing
01:13:10.980 --> 01:13:12.803
from actions taken this past summer.
01:13:15.110 --> 01:13:20.110
Additional actions for summer
2021 identified in the report
01:13:20.130 --> 01:13:22.370
include an effort by the CAISO and CEC
01:13:22.370 --> 01:13:25.150
to work with non PUC
jurisdictional entities
01:13:25.150 --> 01:13:28.160
to encourage additional
necessary procurements.
01:13:28.160 --> 01:13:30.330
And enhancements to flex alerts,
01:13:30.330 --> 01:13:32.487
to maximize consumer conservation
01:13:32.487 --> 01:13:36.580
and other demand side efforts
during extreme heat events.
01:13:36.580 --> 01:13:38.790
For the CEC part this work is scoped
01:13:38.790 --> 01:13:40.800
into the expedited
procurement proceeding
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:41.980
and parties have been encouraged
01:13:41.980 --> 01:13:46.450
to submit proposals
addressing this number.
01:13:46.450 --> 01:13:48.260
The mid and long-term
recommendations provided
01:13:48.260 --> 01:13:51.110
in the preliminary report
remain largely haven't changed.
01:13:54.020 --> 01:13:54.920
Next slide please.
01:13:59.850 --> 01:14:01.900
So while there were minor
updates to the analysis
01:14:01.900 --> 01:14:04.460
of how other types of
resources performed during
01:14:04.460 --> 01:14:06.710
the August heat wave,
the most notable updates
01:14:06.710 --> 01:14:09.797
in the final report are
related to demand response.
01:14:12.330 --> 01:14:15.730
This table from the final report
summarizes the performance
01:14:15.730 --> 01:14:18.830
of DRV sources on August 14th and 15th
01:14:18.830 --> 01:14:21.943
based on the awards they
received in the real-time market.
01:14:23.150 --> 01:14:25.030
The table divides the main response
01:14:25.030 --> 01:14:27.610
into three different
categories, reliability,
01:14:27.610 --> 01:14:29.750
demand response,
which is primarily made up
01:14:29.750 --> 01:14:32.010
of the base interruptible program.
01:14:32.010 --> 01:14:35.240
And two categories of
economic demand response.
01:14:35.240 --> 01:14:38.580
Proxy Dr, that is procured
through IOU programs,
01:14:38.580 --> 01:14:40.250
usually on behalf of all customers
01:14:40.250 --> 01:14:42.900
and their service
territories and proxy Dr
01:14:42.900 --> 01:14:44.980
that is purchased
directly from DR Providers
01:14:44.980 --> 01:14:46.443
by individual load serving.
01:14:47.970 --> 01:14:52.970
The rows and the columns
provide results for each category.
01:14:53.200 --> 01:14:56.620
First for the Friday the 14th and second
01:14:56.620 --> 01:14:59.170
for the 15th Saturday.
01:14:59.170 --> 01:15:01.500
So turning to the columns on the table,
01:15:01.500 --> 01:15:05.100
the first gray shaded column
labeled metered load drop,
01:15:05.100 --> 01:15:08.050
provides the settled blood
drop at the customer meter
01:15:08.050 --> 01:15:10.490
which is determined by
subtracting the customer's load
01:15:10.490 --> 01:15:13.420
from a baseline estimate
of what the customer's load
01:15:13.420 --> 01:15:14.520
would have been and
01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:17.253
are not been participating
in a DR program.
01:15:18.850 --> 01:15:21.460
So the right of this gray
shaded column are four boxes,
01:15:21.460 --> 01:15:23.840
to calculate the performance
of each type of program
01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:26.351
by dividing that metered load drop value
01:15:26.351 --> 01:15:29.130
into different values
of expected load drop
01:15:29.994 --> 01:15:32.230
depending on which
lens the box is looking.
01:15:32.230 --> 01:15:35.807
The first box, for instance
provides performance results
01:15:35.807 --> 01:15:39.200
based on the amount of
DR that was awarded bids
01:15:39.200 --> 01:15:42.680
in the real-time market, or
for the case of reliability DVR,
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:44.630
which doesn't participate in the market,
01:15:44.630 --> 01:15:46.870
the amount the kites have dispatched.
01:15:46.870 --> 01:15:49.920
So this box answers the
question how did the DR perform
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:52.720
at the customer meter
based on how much load drop
01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:54.703
the CAISO was expecting in real time.
01:15:56.500 --> 01:15:58.720
The second box provides
performance results based
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:00.491
on the amount of load drop expected
01:16:00.491 --> 01:16:03.580
at the customer meter
for the DR Capacity shown
01:16:03.580 --> 01:16:05.483
are credited in the RA program.
01:16:06.700 --> 01:16:10.050
So this box answered the
question, how did DR Perform
01:16:10.050 --> 01:16:12.580
at the customer meter
based on how much load drop
01:16:12.580 --> 01:16:15.933
was expected from those
various categories of DR programs.
01:16:17.712 --> 01:16:21.970
The third and fourth boxes
provide results after factoring
01:16:21.970 --> 01:16:23.980
in avoided line losses
01:16:23.980 --> 01:16:26.180
and avoided planning
reserve margin procurements
01:16:26.180 --> 01:16:30.010
that the PUC credits DR
programs with to reflect the fact
01:16:30.010 --> 01:16:32.740
that DR is a behind the meter resource
01:16:32.740 --> 01:16:34.213
as these associated benefits.
01:16:35.810 --> 01:16:37.610
Turning to the results of the table,
01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.070
at a high level you can
see from the percentages
01:16:41.070 --> 01:16:45.030
that in general and especially
for the proxy DR categories,
01:16:45.030 --> 01:16:46.980
DR did not perform as well as expected.
01:16:48.690 --> 01:16:50.810
But as I walked through
the results, it is important
01:16:50.810 --> 01:16:53.420
to remember that while this is true,
01:16:53.420 --> 01:16:55.790
we did get more than a
thousand megawatts of load drop
01:16:55.790 --> 01:16:59.120
from DR and some key
hours during the event.
01:16:59.120 --> 01:17:00.520
And it's also important to note
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:03.600
that the approach we currently
take to estimate the amount
01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:06.020
of load drop from
demand response is based
01:17:06.020 --> 01:17:09.960
on typical summer demand
and given extreme nature
01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:11.940
of the heat wave, the customer load
01:17:11.940 --> 01:17:14.310
that would have occurred may
have been higher in aggregate
01:17:14.310 --> 01:17:16.330
in the baseline to use
which would increase
01:17:16.330 --> 01:17:19.590
these percentages, DR
providers are communicating
01:17:19.590 --> 01:17:22.160
that they strongly believe
that this was the case
01:17:22.160 --> 01:17:23.860
during these extreme heat weather.
01:17:26.150 --> 01:17:28.650
Also worth noting is that
some of the DR programs
01:17:28.650 --> 01:17:30.750
only operate on weekdays.
01:17:30.750 --> 01:17:33.050
So it's generally weekend
demand is significantly higher
01:17:33.050 --> 01:17:36.010
than weekend demand, and this explains,
01:17:36.010 --> 01:17:38.250
or at least contributed
to the worst results
01:17:38.250 --> 01:17:40.903
on Saturdays 15th
then on Friday the 14th.
01:17:43.010 --> 01:17:45.350
Another important consideration
for the two categories
01:17:45.350 --> 01:17:46.820
of proximity DR on this table
01:17:47.907 --> 01:17:50.850
is that they reflect performance
compared with awarded bid,
01:17:50.850 --> 01:17:54.540
which does not reflect DR
that was offered but not awarded
01:17:54.540 --> 01:17:57.280
and put the day ahead
and real time market.
01:17:57.280 --> 01:18:00.280
This impact will be illustrated
in the following two slides.
01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:04.630
And one final caveat is that
the report does not develop
01:18:04.630 --> 01:18:08.360
an analysis of why the
results are what they are,
01:18:08.360 --> 01:18:09.810
simply reports these results,
01:18:11.014 --> 01:18:11.920
the work of answering that question
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:13.540
and determining what changes are needed
01:18:13.540 --> 01:18:16.430
to improve the program
performance with these resources
01:18:16.430 --> 01:18:17.630
is still in front of us.
01:18:20.200 --> 01:18:22.540
So now turning to the
results, as I said earlier
01:18:22.540 --> 01:18:25.172
the percentages in the second
box are the best reflection
01:18:25.172 --> 01:18:27.940
of the performance of
DR for resource adequacy,
01:18:27.940 --> 01:18:30.700
since they compare
actual results to the amount
01:18:30.700 --> 01:18:32.500
of load drops expected for the program.
01:18:32.500 --> 01:18:34.103
So I'll focus on those values.
01:18:35.400 --> 01:18:39.783
And reliability DR programs
achieve 84 and 80%
01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:43.487
of expected customer
load drop on the 14th
01:18:43.487 --> 01:18:44.443
and 15th perspective.
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:48.410
Moving down the credit of
productivity our programs,
01:18:48.410 --> 01:18:52.860
achieved 24% and 1% of the
expected customer load drops
01:18:52.860 --> 01:18:55.110
on the 14th and 15th.
01:18:55.110 --> 01:18:57.610
And finally, the proxy DR that is shown
01:18:57.610 --> 01:19:02.610
on load serving supply LLC
supply plan achieved 33% and 13%
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:07.380
of the expected customer load
drop on Friday and Saturday.
01:19:07.380 --> 01:19:10.518
Again, expected through
the lens of the value
01:19:10.518 --> 01:19:13.600
at the RA program is
providing these resources
01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:15.200
in terms of customer load drops.
01:19:18.330 --> 01:19:20.243
So next slide please.
01:19:22.780 --> 01:19:24.970
So this figure illustrates what happened
01:19:24.970 --> 01:19:27.730
in the day ahead market
specifically for that third category
01:19:27.730 --> 01:19:30.310
in the table, the are resources
shown on LSD supply plan.
01:19:30.310 --> 01:19:35.047
I'm using this category of
proxy der programs in this
01:19:35.047 --> 01:19:37.490
and the following slide
to illustrate some points
01:19:37.490 --> 01:19:39.730
that also apply to the
second category in the table
01:19:39.730 --> 01:19:44.600
the credit proxy DR programs
the RDR does don't participate
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:46.930
in the day ahead markets while we're
01:19:46.930 --> 01:19:48.230
in the markets in general.
01:19:49.120 --> 01:19:53.000
In this figure the purple
line represents the amount
01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:57.643
of these resources that are
shown on LSC supply plan.
01:19:58.580 --> 01:20:01.400
The yellow dots represent
the amount of the resources bid
01:20:01.400 --> 01:20:03.960
into the CAISOs day ahead market,
01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:06.470
and the blue triangles represent
the amount of those bids
01:20:06.470 --> 01:20:07.370
that were awarded.
01:20:09.120 --> 01:20:10.950
As illustrated in the
figure and aggregate
01:20:10.950 --> 01:20:13.090
these resources bit
near or above the amount
01:20:13.090 --> 01:20:15.205
of resources shown on
supply plan and a number
01:20:15.205 --> 01:20:18.580
of hours in August, and
then all these cases far less
01:20:18.580 --> 01:20:20.983
of the DR proceeds award than was bit.
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:25.650
Now, when I introduced
the previous slide,
01:20:25.650 --> 01:20:28.490
I caveated that the report
doesn't attempt to explain why
01:20:28.490 --> 01:20:30.900
these results are what
they are and it doesn't,
01:20:30.900 --> 01:20:33.270
but I think it's safe to say
that the primary reason
01:20:33.270 --> 01:20:35.350
that this would occur
because they had market
01:20:35.350 --> 01:20:39.220
was clearing at prices below,
the prices at which much
01:20:39.220 --> 01:20:40.543
of the DR was being good.
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:43.790
It's surprising to me that
so many of these resources
01:20:43.790 --> 01:20:45.740
did not receive awards
in the day ahead market
01:20:45.740 --> 01:20:49.203
is by the high day had
demand forecasts on these days.
01:20:51.135 --> 01:20:53.510
Another important
takeaway from this figure
01:20:53.510 --> 01:20:56.230
is the lower day ahead DR bids
01:20:56.230 --> 01:20:58.963
on labor day weekend to the far right.
01:21:00.730 --> 01:21:02.050
As you will see in the following slide,
01:21:02.050 --> 01:21:04.900
the performance of
these resources, well,
01:21:04.900 --> 01:21:06.310
as you saw it in the table,
01:21:06.310 --> 01:21:09.100
the performance of these
resources in August suggested
01:21:09.100 --> 01:21:13.310
that one or more PR providers
were overestimating the amount
01:21:13.310 --> 01:21:16.100
of low drop that could be
expected from their customers,
01:21:16.100 --> 01:21:18.380
and that they had bid
since September suggested
01:21:18.380 --> 01:21:20.493
some adjustments
were made to address it.
01:21:21.470 --> 01:21:23.290
(clears throat)
01:21:23.290 --> 01:21:24.240
Next slide, please.
01:21:27.590 --> 01:21:30.430
This move for that same category
01:21:30.430 --> 01:21:33.210
of a proximity art show,
not an LSE supplied span
01:21:33.210 --> 01:21:35.940
this moves to the real-time market.
01:21:35.940 --> 01:21:40.150
And again, the purple line
represents the amount shown
01:21:40.150 --> 01:21:43.937
on the five plans, the yellow
dots are the amounts of bid
01:21:43.937 --> 01:21:48.937
and the real-time market, and
the hard to see blue triangles
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:51.200
represent the amounts awarded.
01:21:51.200 --> 01:21:54.010
But now we have an
additional depiction in here
01:21:57.730 --> 01:21:59.230
which is the blue bars
01:21:59.230 --> 01:22:04.230
that represent actual
performance on these hours.
01:22:06.120 --> 01:22:09.302
As illustrated in the
figure actual performance
01:22:09.302 --> 01:22:12.733
was well below the
awarded DR, the blue triangle,
01:22:13.650 --> 01:22:16.140
consistent with the
results in the table.
01:22:16.140 --> 01:22:17.640
But one thing that posted this
01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:20.770
and the previous slide
illustrate we should table did not
01:22:20.770 --> 01:22:23.900
cause the amount of bid DR
that was not awarded contracts
01:22:23.900 --> 01:22:26.560
in the day ahead in realtime
markets on these days
01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:29.880
of high data they had
forecast high real time demand,
01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:32.830
and tight supply
markets within the CAISO,
01:22:32.830 --> 01:22:35.490
and at least in August during
the West wide heat wave
01:22:35.490 --> 01:22:36.873
outside the CAISO as well.
01:22:39.670 --> 01:22:40.620
Next slide, please.
01:22:55.463 --> 01:22:58.296
Anyone else seeing the next slide?
01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:06.683
I think you're going the
wrong way, there we go.
01:23:07.610 --> 01:23:12.563
So this slide shows the load scheduling
01:23:16.010 --> 01:23:19.550
and there's a similar slide
01:23:19.550 --> 01:23:21.682
that I shared in the
previous presentation
01:23:21.682 --> 01:23:24.180
that was just one line
because in the preliminary report
01:23:24.180 --> 01:23:27.540
all we had was the
aggregated total scheduling
01:23:27.540 --> 01:23:32.540
by all LSEs in the CAISO
balancing authority area.
01:23:33.860 --> 01:23:37.210
So this actually breaks
down in the final report
01:23:37.210 --> 01:23:39.003
to the different types of LSE,
01:23:40.080 --> 01:23:44.070
so the blue lines represent IOUs,
01:23:44.070 --> 01:23:46.290
the orange line represents CCAs
01:23:46.290 --> 01:23:50.803
and the dotted line,
gray line represent ESPs.
01:23:53.950 --> 01:23:58.580
See this finger also similar
to several other, you know,
01:23:58.580 --> 01:23:59.850
figures throughout the report.
01:23:59.850 --> 01:24:04.340
Now add the September
labor day weekend data
01:24:04.340 --> 01:24:09.340
because we have it, you know
one thing that kind of stands
01:24:10.110 --> 01:24:13.540
out in general, again,
you can see the zero bar
01:24:13.540 --> 01:24:17.140
and the under scheduling
of load is in the red below it.
01:24:17.140 --> 01:24:20.030
There's general trend towards
under scheduling of load
01:24:20.030 --> 01:24:21.800
throughout this period by essentially
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:25.060
all the different categories of LSEs.
01:24:25.060 --> 01:24:27.170
But one thing that's noteworthy
01:24:27.170 --> 01:24:31.450
is that over the labor day
weekend, the trend reverses
01:24:31.450 --> 01:24:34.100
for IOUs which collectively
over-scheduled load
01:24:34.100 --> 01:24:36.450
during a number of the
peak and that peak hour.
01:24:38.140 --> 01:24:40.530
Some of this outcome is likely to be due
01:24:40.530 --> 01:24:43.920
to the large amounts of
conservation that was occurring
01:24:44.790 --> 01:24:49.000
and would have sort of
masked from the day ahead
01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:51.700
what the actual amount of
scheduling wasn't scheduling
01:24:51.700 --> 01:24:56.700
at the time was on par with
what was forecast or above it.
01:24:59.340 --> 01:25:01.230
And, but to the extent
this was the case,
01:25:01.230 --> 01:25:05.010
so if in the day it had, you know,
01:25:05.010 --> 01:25:08.870
if the conservation
resulted in this shifting up
01:25:08.870 --> 01:25:11.897
then relative, what was
visible in the day it had forecast
01:25:11.897 --> 01:25:15.370
and that suggested all three categories
01:25:15.370 --> 01:25:19.192
were bidding a load even
below what's shown here
01:25:19.192 --> 01:25:21.883
in the day market.
01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:25.480
CAISO also one final point
01:25:25.480 --> 01:25:27.660
of the crisis surveyed
scheduling coordinators
01:25:27.660 --> 01:25:29.840
I represent 75% of the peak load
01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:31.340
to better understand the drivers
01:25:31.340 --> 01:25:33.280
behind the sender scheduling.
01:25:33.280 --> 01:25:35.460
And they reported that
their primary goal was
01:25:35.460 --> 01:25:38.110
to develop the most accurate
forecast possible to bid
01:25:38.110 --> 01:25:40.270
into the day at market on these days.
01:25:40.270 --> 01:25:43.410
So not making an attempt
to sort of arbitrage day had
01:25:43.410 --> 01:25:45.270
versus realtime prices.
01:25:45.270 --> 01:25:47.030
However, they reported
several challenges
01:25:47.030 --> 01:25:48.510
in meeting the school,
01:25:48.510 --> 01:25:50.780
including data quality and availability,
01:25:50.780 --> 01:25:55.070
these extreme weather
conditions, COVID-19 and shelter
01:25:55.070 --> 01:25:57.580
in place impacts, and also changes
01:25:57.580 --> 01:25:59.983
in the entity serving
load within the footprint.
01:26:01.970 --> 01:26:02.920
Next slide, please.
01:26:07.430 --> 01:26:08.950
That concludes my presentation
01:26:08.950 --> 01:26:11.990
on the final root cause
analysis and I would be happy
01:26:11.990 --> 01:26:13.153
to take any questions.
01:26:15.120 --> 01:26:19.690
Thank you so much and I
wanna thank you, Dorothy Duda,
01:26:19.690 --> 01:26:24.690
Michelle Kito, your entire
team, and also of course,
01:26:25.481 --> 01:26:29.180
Ed Randall for the tireless work
01:26:29.180 --> 01:26:33.810
that you all have done
literally since August 14th.
01:26:33.810 --> 01:26:37.590
And I'm particularly
thankful for the collaboration
01:26:37.590 --> 01:26:42.520
that your team has had
and will continue to have
01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:44.340
with the team at Cal ISO
01:26:44.340 --> 01:26:47.120
and at the California Energy Commission.
01:26:47.120 --> 01:26:51.550
This has been quite an amazing
effort, very important effort
01:26:51.550 --> 01:26:56.260
that we will all be working
hard on to get it right
01:26:57.140 --> 01:27:01.130
for the summer of 2021
and indeed going forward,
01:27:01.130 --> 01:27:06.130
so thank you very much, I'll
turn to my fellow Commissioners
01:27:06.210 --> 01:27:10.110
to ask if any of you
all have any questions
01:27:10.110 --> 01:27:13.930
of Pete I believe Ed
is on the line as well
01:27:13.930 --> 01:27:15.633
and maybe Dorsey as well.
01:27:16.570 --> 01:27:19.403
I think Mr. Rick Chavez,
you have a question?
01:27:21.174 --> 01:27:24.920
Yes, I have one factual
question, which I'll ask first
01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:26.670
and then two questions to ask you
01:27:26.670 --> 01:27:27.860
for a little bit more detailed
01:27:27.860 --> 01:27:31.690
about steps we're taking, going forward.
01:27:31.690 --> 01:27:33.470
Do you have any sense or opinion
01:27:33.470 --> 01:27:38.470
about why the market
didn't reach $11,000 level?
01:27:38.900 --> 01:27:42.770
You said the DR, wasn't just
a lot of DR wasn't dispatched
01:27:42.770 --> 01:27:45.370
because they'd get over that
price but do you have any sense
01:27:45.370 --> 01:27:47.960
of why the market price
has been co-opted that level,
01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:50.973
even though it was obviously
a very, very tight market.
01:27:53.690 --> 01:27:58.050
So in the dead, we
understand that that was largely
01:27:58.050 --> 01:28:00.873
or a big factor is the
under scheduling of load.
01:28:01.935 --> 01:28:06.470
I don't have a sense of
why in the real-time markets,
01:28:06.470 --> 01:28:10.400
it wasn't sort of pin for pretty
significant periods of time
01:28:10.400 --> 01:28:15.400
at the cab, it's a reasonable question.
01:28:17.120 --> 01:28:19.550
And I don't have a
sense of this, I mean,
01:28:19.550 --> 01:28:21.620
it's ultimately, you know,
01:28:21.620 --> 01:28:25.037
they are CAISO markets
are being optimized in the 15
01:28:25.037 --> 01:28:29.440
and the five minute time
markets and these are the keynote,
01:28:29.440 --> 01:28:34.440
the paired bid and supply
bed just clear at those prices.
01:28:36.460 --> 01:28:39.160
Okay, then the one
question sort of a follow-up,
01:28:39.160 --> 01:28:41.200
which is if you could
talk in any more detail
01:28:41.200 --> 01:28:44.980
about what things what
steps were considering
01:28:44.980 --> 01:28:49.980
to address the under scheduling
by a load serving entities,
01:28:50.550 --> 01:28:53.190
that's one question and
then the second question,
01:28:53.190 --> 01:28:55.180
you mentioned both
in the report and briefly
01:28:55.180 --> 01:28:59.680
in the presentation that
the CAISO is undertaking
01:28:59.680 --> 01:29:02.760
an examination of its
rules and I'm wondering
01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:05.310
if any have already been
changed and how broad
01:29:05.310 --> 01:29:07.710
that those changes or
if there's any more detail
01:29:07.710 --> 01:29:10.693
you could provide with us at this point.
01:29:13.610 --> 01:29:18.610
So yeah, both of those fall
pretty squarely at this time,
01:29:19.740 --> 01:29:24.740
under the CAISOs tariffs
and particularly at this point,
01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:29.740
we don't have any role in
communicating expectations
01:29:29.740 --> 01:29:33.190
to scheduling coordinators or LSDs
01:29:33.190 --> 01:29:35.513
who hire those scheduling coordinators.
01:29:36.540 --> 01:29:41.540
And, you know, I know
pretty, as I noted in the list
01:29:43.950 --> 01:29:46.330
of next steps, for the case
of squarely that's squarely
01:29:46.330 --> 01:29:49.390
on their agenda for this summer
01:29:49.390 --> 01:29:51.210
and they're actively engaging on that.
01:29:51.210 --> 01:29:54.247
And similarly, they held
two days of workshops
01:29:54.247 --> 01:29:58.900
on issues related to
the proper, you know,
01:29:58.900 --> 01:30:03.370
privatization of exports,
so they're actively working
01:30:03.370 --> 01:30:07.812
on those things and they
certainly took some steps
01:30:07.812 --> 01:30:12.812
in response to some of
the issues they identified
01:30:13.570 --> 01:30:18.570
in their markets, in the rock
market that have, you know,
01:30:20.190 --> 01:30:25.190
indirect impacts on amounts
of exports that get cleared.
01:30:25.340 --> 01:30:30.340
But I think they are hard
at work, and looking at,
01:30:33.270 --> 01:30:36.770
and engaging with the other
balancing area authorities
01:30:36.770 --> 01:30:40.760
to look at how they
prioritize exports to endeavor
01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:43.090
to be kind of set up similar systems
01:30:44.511 --> 01:30:47.180
and equal bi-directional rules on these.
01:30:47.180 --> 01:30:50.113
So I don't have a lot of the details,
01:30:50.113 --> 01:30:52.363
they're all quite live at this point.
01:30:53.910 --> 01:30:54.763
Thank you Pete.
01:30:57.226 --> 01:30:58.692
Is there any other questions,
01:30:58.692 --> 01:31:00.923
yes Commissioner Guzman Aceves
01:31:02.370 --> 01:31:03.620
Thank you, President Batjer.
01:31:03.620 --> 01:31:06.050
And thank you again, Pete for your work
01:31:06.050 --> 01:31:08.387
and all the teams work on this.
01:31:08.387 --> 01:31:13.387
It has been really a privilege
to see how we're looking
01:31:13.810 --> 01:31:18.580
at all elements that drove
to this these unfortunate days
01:31:18.580 --> 01:31:21.560
and as we get to, as you said trying
01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:23.563
to prevent this moving forward.
01:31:25.210 --> 01:31:27.030
We just want to follow up on a question
01:31:27.030 --> 01:31:29.170
that Commissioner Rechtschaffen
had and then I have a few
01:31:29.170 --> 01:31:31.840
on the demand response in particular,
01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:36.840
and maybe this is more
of a comment for all of us
01:31:38.530 --> 01:31:41.740
to consider where we're
going to look at some
01:31:41.740 --> 01:31:43.930
of these improvements on performance
01:31:43.930 --> 01:31:48.270
be the actual performance
of the generators
01:31:48.270 --> 01:31:53.270
or really our role in
ensuring the LSDs are holding
01:31:53.610 --> 01:31:57.280
their generators and their contracts
01:31:57.280 --> 01:32:00.070
to what they are with their pain
01:32:00.070 --> 01:32:02.570
and ultimately what
repairs are paying for
01:32:02.570 --> 01:32:06.750
in those capacity contracts
and the energy contracts.
01:32:06.750 --> 01:32:11.750
And are we going to
examine our role in penalizing
01:32:13.008 --> 01:32:16.710
the LSDs for not scheduling properly?
01:32:16.710 --> 01:32:19.945
And maybe this is again
a question for ourselves,
01:32:19.945 --> 01:32:23.300
but any high-level
thoughts on that, Pete
01:32:23.300 --> 01:32:28.100
I'm just concerned that we
often think our processes takes
01:32:28.100 --> 01:32:32.680
a long time but the
ISO process also takes
01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:34.080
a really long time and is
01:32:34.080 --> 01:32:38.690
a really distinct stakeholder
engagement process from Mars.
01:32:38.690 --> 01:32:43.690
But I have some concern that
we rely solely on that process,
01:32:44.450 --> 01:32:46.740
of course, working collaboratively,
01:32:46.740 --> 01:32:51.740
we don't wanna have a
scenario where we're penalizing
01:32:52.480 --> 01:32:57.030
the same LCDs for the
same action but are we going
01:32:57.030 --> 01:33:00.603
to ensure the LSDs
are properly scheduling?
01:33:01.540 --> 01:33:05.091
And what is our role in that ourselves
01:33:05.091 --> 01:33:08.693
and ensuring that
they're doing their job?
01:33:12.280 --> 01:33:15.620
I guess my thoughts are
we certainly should engage
01:33:15.620 --> 01:33:19.180
and we'll engage with the CAISO process
01:33:19.180 --> 01:33:20.900
as they undertake that effort,
01:33:20.900 --> 01:33:25.900
as far as whether it would
make sense for the PUC
01:33:25.948 --> 01:33:28.003
that pick up a parallel effort.
01:33:29.610 --> 01:33:31.840
You know, obviously we
wanna make sure we weren't
01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:35.500
just duplicating efforts and
we also have to be mindful
01:33:35.500 --> 01:33:40.500
of something that one of the
commoners public comment
01:33:40.540 --> 01:33:45.160
or pointed out this morning
and that is the LSDs other
01:33:45.160 --> 01:33:48.787
than the utilities don't
necessarily have quick access
01:33:48.787 --> 01:33:53.630
to meter data for their customers.
01:33:53.630 --> 01:33:57.770
So I think a place for us
to probably start it look at
01:33:57.770 --> 01:34:01.460
how to, you know, how
do utilities, you know,
01:34:01.460 --> 01:34:04.030
could improve and expedite that transfer
01:34:04.030 --> 01:34:06.767
which involves probably
some IT solutions.
01:34:07.610 --> 01:34:10.920
So that's certainly a role
that we could be playing
01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:13.750
to help support that
effort whether we wanted
01:34:13.750 --> 01:34:18.750
to separately take up, you
know, setting expectations
01:34:18.890 --> 01:34:23.890
and developing, you know,
penalties for under scheduling,
01:34:24.451 --> 01:34:28.500
that's something you
all may wanna consider
01:34:28.500 --> 01:34:31.710
and we can certainly engage
in and explore with the CAISO
01:34:31.710 --> 01:34:33.960
what all they have in
mind and what, you know,
01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:37.100
whether there are natural
holes that we could fill
01:34:37.100 --> 01:34:40.000
as the entities that are regulating.
01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:43.990
Is there any, you know,
regulating these LCDs
01:34:43.990 --> 01:34:45.453
somewhat directly so.
01:34:46.784 --> 01:34:49.390
Directly spell off I could
add on to that a little bit
01:34:49.390 --> 01:34:54.390
to Commissioner gets messed
up, that's a great question.
01:34:54.980 --> 01:34:58.400
What I would suggest to her,
by the way this is on Randolph
01:34:58.400 --> 01:35:03.200
deputy executive director,
what I've been looking at
01:35:03.200 --> 01:35:06.363
and what I would
suggest the entities do one,
01:35:07.249 --> 01:35:09.350
this is actually look at
the financial incentives
01:35:09.350 --> 01:35:14.350
from an end-to-end of the
process and where we may want
01:35:17.120 --> 01:35:20.440
to look at assessing
penalties is further down
01:35:20.440 --> 01:35:24.287
in the process and the
performance of specific resources
01:35:24.287 --> 01:35:27.663
that have obligations if
they're underperforming.
01:35:28.810 --> 01:35:30.410
You know, what we are seeing
01:35:30.410 --> 01:35:32.530
with that under scheduling issue is
01:35:32.530 --> 01:35:35.287
in the preliminary root cause analysis.
01:35:35.287 --> 01:35:38.450
I think the assumption of
the three entities with some
01:35:38.450 --> 01:35:42.668
of the load serving entities
were under scheduling
01:35:42.668 --> 01:35:46.940
as part of an economic
arbitrage that, you know,
01:35:46.940 --> 01:35:48.290
because they don't know exactly
01:35:48.290 --> 01:35:50.113
what their day ahead load is.
01:35:51.040 --> 01:35:54.830
They may under
schedule a little bit knowing
01:35:54.830 --> 01:35:57.261
that they're gonna have
to buy on a realtime market
01:35:57.261 --> 01:35:59.380
but the prices in the real-time market
01:35:59.380 --> 01:36:01.925
may be a little bit
lower than the prices
01:36:01.925 --> 01:36:05.569
from the day had market but
it is director scholar mentioned
01:36:05.569 --> 01:36:07.550
the conversations that have been had
01:36:08.527 --> 01:36:10.266
with each of the load serving entities
01:36:10.266 --> 01:36:14.160
is they were trying to
correctly schedule and due
01:36:14.160 --> 01:36:17.320
to forecasting issues
because of the heat,
01:36:17.320 --> 01:36:19.870
but I think also very
importantly, because of COVID
01:36:21.180 --> 01:36:25.380
and that some of these
event days were on weekends,
01:36:25.380 --> 01:36:28.600
which while we had
some good understanding
01:36:28.600 --> 01:36:31.963
of what COVID was doing for
demand on weekdays, weekends
01:36:31.963 --> 01:36:34.873
were very different and
holidays were very different.
01:36:35.830 --> 01:36:39.620
It's not clear that anybody,
you know, it's not clear
01:36:39.620 --> 01:36:43.740
that anybody acted anything
short of the best of intentions
01:36:43.740 --> 01:36:45.653
to comply with their obligations.
01:36:48.030 --> 01:36:49.543
Yes, thank you,
that's really helpful.
01:36:49.543 --> 01:36:52.290
And I'm not suggesting
that I'm suggesting
01:36:52.290 --> 01:36:54.370
that perhaps we need a buffer in it
01:36:54.370 --> 01:36:57.690
to kind of counteract the hedging.
01:36:57.690 --> 01:37:01.070
And so when they're
making their calculations
01:37:01.070 --> 01:37:06.070
they can have that as another
constraint to their hedging,
01:37:06.770 --> 01:37:11.010
but I'm glad that's something
that we can be exploring,
01:37:11.010 --> 01:37:13.000
and I appreciate the way that you framed
01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:15.850
that we should be looking
at the whole spectrum
01:37:15.850 --> 01:37:17.840
because the other question I had was
01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:21.660
on our current penalties
for these, not just the DR
01:37:21.660 --> 01:37:26.240
but all generators and
that are not performing
01:37:26.240 --> 01:37:28.700
at what they supposed to be
01:37:28.700 --> 01:37:31.600
in what was included in the RA filings.
01:37:31.600 --> 01:37:36.600
And so my other question
is, are we looking at penalties
01:37:37.010 --> 01:37:42.010
for lack of performance for
all RA generators in particular?
01:37:46.080 --> 01:37:49.080
Right, so currently the
RA program penalizes court
01:37:49.080 --> 01:37:51.880
not reaching the you
know, having contracts
01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:56.880
that meet the RA system,
local flex RA requirements.
01:37:58.005 --> 01:38:02.743
It does not have a
separate set of penalties for,
01:38:05.300 --> 01:38:07.193
how did these resources perform?
01:38:08.040 --> 01:38:13.040
And, you know, as we
saw in the, you know,
01:38:13.970 --> 01:38:16.590
the mark that really that effort moves
01:38:16.590 --> 01:38:20.144
to the real-time market
and the rules that, you know,
01:38:20.144 --> 01:38:25.144
in the coastal processes
and the must offer obligations,
01:38:28.815 --> 01:38:31.650
and as you can see, it gets tricky
01:38:31.650 --> 01:38:34.440
because I know these can make a bid,
01:38:34.440 --> 01:38:36.380
they can bid but then not be awarded.
01:38:36.380 --> 01:38:41.380
So it's, you know, there are
a set of penalties that apply
01:38:43.201 --> 01:38:48.201
in the CAISO both for not
offering what you've committed
01:38:48.810 --> 01:38:53.430
to offer and then not
performing then, you know,
01:38:53.430 --> 01:38:55.230
you need to make up
the difference in price
01:38:55.230 --> 01:38:56.870
between those different periods.
01:38:56.870 --> 01:38:59.270
But at this point we don't
have a separate process
01:38:59.270 --> 01:39:02.740
that looks at the LLCs that
contracted with those entities
01:39:03.730 --> 01:39:06.500
and see whether it's
a, you know, in general,
01:39:06.500 --> 01:39:09.870
they're contracting with
entities that are, you know,
01:39:09.870 --> 01:39:14.350
are consistently for instance,
not meeting their obligations
01:39:15.255 --> 01:39:18.233
or even at the more
discrete level that, you know,
01:39:19.123 --> 01:39:21.060
we would certainly nothing
that looks at how each one
01:39:21.060 --> 01:39:25.030
of those contracts is
performing and aim something
01:39:25.030 --> 01:39:30.030
at the LSDs for their
counterparty, not producing.
01:39:30.380 --> 01:39:33.220
We don't do that now in the
RA program and I don't know
01:39:33.220 --> 01:39:36.900
at this time that it has been
suggested that it gets scoped
01:39:36.900 --> 01:39:39.103
into the proceedings, but you know,
01:39:39.103 --> 01:39:43.610
it's an interesting question
and I guess, you know,
01:39:43.610 --> 01:39:46.826
maybe this thought that I
just threw out there, you know,
01:39:46.826 --> 01:39:49.040
if there were patterns
that may make some sense
01:39:49.040 --> 01:39:52.610
because one would hope
that if that LC was contracting
01:39:52.610 --> 01:39:54.953
with Trinity that was consistently
01:39:54.953 --> 01:39:56.850
not meeting its obligations
that they would kind
01:39:56.850 --> 01:39:58.530
of pivot away from
that, but at this point
01:39:58.530 --> 01:40:02.233
there isn't any reason
for them to consider that.
01:40:03.779 --> 01:40:08.040
Yes, exactly, unfortunately,
there's kind of no penalty
01:40:08.040 --> 01:40:12.000
to the LSD for that
accountability, other than of course
01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:15.403
their customers having
this horrendous situation.
01:40:16.240 --> 01:40:19.250
So maybe present bachelor
is something for you,
01:40:19.250 --> 01:40:21.330
more of a comment for
you to consider scoping
01:40:21.330 --> 01:40:24.720
that into the next RA proceeding
01:40:24.720 --> 01:40:27.020
which is really having
some accountability
01:40:27.020 --> 01:40:30.350
on these generators that
are not performing in addition
01:40:30.350 --> 01:40:33.640
to potentially looking at
what they're actually bidding.
01:40:33.640 --> 01:40:36.240
Of course, my preference
would be that we won't have to bid
01:40:36.240 --> 01:40:40.070
in least cost, but putting that aside,
01:40:40.070 --> 01:40:42.440
how we deal with this twofold issue,
01:40:42.440 --> 01:40:47.430
one is in some instances
some of these generators
01:40:47.430 --> 01:40:50.040
are bidding and not being awarded,
01:40:50.040 --> 01:40:54.610
and in some instances it
is because they're too high
01:40:54.610 --> 01:40:58.450
but in the bigger problem
for me is once they're awarded
01:40:58.450 --> 01:41:02.930
and these numbers for the
DR, but also another categories
01:41:02.930 --> 01:41:06.950
of generation that they're not
performing and somebody needs
01:41:06.950 --> 01:41:08.710
to hold these generators accountable.
01:41:08.710 --> 01:41:11.840
And so I hope we can look
at that in the RA proceeding
01:41:12.780 --> 01:41:15.900
because, you know...
01:41:15.900 --> 01:41:19.040
Anyhow and so as a follow-up
to that, I did wanna ask
01:41:19.040 --> 01:41:21.350
about a demand response that,
01:41:21.350 --> 01:41:25.430
and in this situation the
one thing that I wanted
01:41:25.430 --> 01:41:27.930
to just point out in some
of my previous briefings,
01:41:27.930 --> 01:41:31.470
I'm sure many of, you know
but maybe more so for the public
01:41:31.470 --> 01:41:34.840
is that there was a great
variance in performance with some
01:41:34.840 --> 01:41:39.420
of the demand response
companies that were performing here.
01:41:39.420 --> 01:41:44.420
So I, once again, I feel
that I know that we all want
01:41:45.100 --> 01:41:48.110
to see these types of
resources grow and we need
01:41:48.110 --> 01:41:51.020
to have a greater
accountability of performance
01:41:51.020 --> 01:41:54.900
in order to do that allow
for the growth of those
01:41:54.900 --> 01:41:56.770
that are actually performing.
01:41:56.770 --> 01:41:59.760
And again, this is where I
see a penalty mechanism
01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:03.880
is putting that a constraint
into these programs
01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:07.660
so that we actually have
growth where we see it.
01:42:07.660 --> 01:42:09.390
Obviously, a penalty for performance
01:42:09.390 --> 01:42:12.330
is not gonna affect
somebody who's performing
01:42:12.330 --> 01:42:16.420
and really allowing some of the folks
01:42:16.420 --> 01:42:18.570
that are wind falling
off of these programs
01:42:19.480 --> 01:42:21.270
to be held accountable.
01:42:21.270 --> 01:42:26.270
And this is something I
think we need to prioritize
01:42:26.510 --> 01:42:29.640
so that we can continue to grow DR,
01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:33.600
and not just be somewhat stuck.
01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:36.180
I think we need to act quickly
01:42:36.180 --> 01:42:39.043
and incorporating these
penalties for these programs,
01:42:40.120 --> 01:42:41.860
I mean, I think across the board.
01:42:41.860 --> 01:42:45.020
And so that's why, of course,
it's more heightened here
01:42:45.020 --> 01:42:48.230
with these DR resources,
but I want to see them grow
01:42:48.230 --> 01:42:49.840
but I also want to see them grow
01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:51.270
in a way that's accountable.
01:42:51.270 --> 01:42:53.660
And I know that there are providers
01:42:53.660 --> 01:42:55.430
that are reaching those goals.
01:42:55.430 --> 01:43:00.430
So I hope that we can act
quickly and incorporate structures
01:43:01.190 --> 01:43:04.640
so we can have accountable
DR programs grow, thank you.
01:43:09.918 --> 01:43:11.197
Thank you, Martha, those
are important comments
01:43:11.197 --> 01:43:13.918
and I have well noted them.
01:43:13.918 --> 01:43:16.990
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma.
01:43:16.990 --> 01:43:19.710
Yes, thank you, I
just have one question.
01:43:19.710 --> 01:43:24.080
First of all, many of us live
through the energy crisis
01:43:24.080 --> 01:43:28.030
of the early 2000s, I did
CUNY as a new elected
01:43:28.030 --> 01:43:32.483
on the smart board, and my
question was this as the CAISO
01:43:33.810 --> 01:43:37.940
is assessing what happened
and what changes need to be made
01:43:37.940 --> 01:43:40.273
for the day ahead and so forth.
01:43:41.480 --> 01:43:46.290
Is there an assessment looking
at who financially benefited
01:43:46.290 --> 01:43:49.863
from what happened this summer?
01:43:51.770 --> 01:43:54.140
If we don't know that that's okay.
01:43:54.140 --> 01:43:58.070
Well, I am certainly across my mind.
01:43:58.070 --> 01:44:00.680
Yeah, if you're asking sort
of indirectly whether there
01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:03.080
was any potential market manipulation
01:44:03.080 --> 01:44:05.150
that would have resulted in, you know,
01:44:05.150 --> 01:44:08.240
seminaries benefiting
the CAISO, you know,
01:44:08.240 --> 01:44:13.210
that the report we've not
found any indication of that.
01:44:13.210 --> 01:44:16.220
And we do cite in the
report that the department
01:44:16.220 --> 01:44:19.000
of market monitoring separate analysis
01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:22.100
and independent analysis
came to that same conclusion
01:44:22.100 --> 01:44:24.660
that there was no evidence that there
01:44:24.660 --> 01:44:28.920
was market manipulation on
the part of Sandy any generators
01:44:28.920 --> 01:44:33.920
of marketers to benefit them,
you know, and, you know,
01:44:36.860 --> 01:44:39.340
interestingly as it was
pointed out that the prices
01:44:39.340 --> 01:44:42.167
were highly variable across this period.
01:44:45.847 --> 01:44:49.270
Okay, thank you, Andy
and Pete, thank you to you
01:44:49.270 --> 01:44:53.810
and your team for
all of the indice work.
01:44:53.810 --> 01:44:55.910
And of course the
continued work to get us
01:44:55.910 --> 01:44:58.633
through 2021 and beyond, thank you.
01:45:00.690 --> 01:45:01.523
Thank you.
01:45:03.490 --> 01:45:05.023
The other questions of Pete?
01:45:07.240 --> 01:45:10.359
Okay, seeing none, thank you.
01:45:10.359 --> 01:45:12.638
Again, feed great report and again,
01:45:12.638 --> 01:45:15.070
thank you for all the hard
work in the last six months
01:45:15.070 --> 01:45:16.762
or however long that...
01:45:16.762 --> 01:45:18.164
Thank you, thank you all.
01:45:18.164 --> 01:45:20.620
Thanks, Pete.
01:45:20.620 --> 01:45:25.620
Okay, we have now we'll
take up the consent items
01:45:26.810 --> 01:45:29.943
on our agenda, is there a motion?
01:45:31.030 --> 01:45:33.840
So moved.
Second.
01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:35.240
It's been moved in second.
01:45:36.840 --> 01:45:40.313
Can I please ask the agenda
clerk, please take the role.
01:45:41.530 --> 01:45:43.764
Commissioner Shiroma.
01:45:43.764 --> 01:45:44.930
Aye.
01:45:44.930 --> 01:45:46.780
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
01:45:47.705 --> 01:45:49.284
Aye.
01:45:49.284 --> 01:45:50.650
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
01:45:50.650 --> 01:45:52.000
Yes.
01:45:52.000 --> 01:45:53.823
President Batjer.
01:45:53.823 --> 01:45:58.000
Yes, thank you the vote is
unanimous on the consent items.
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:00.620
I'm going to turn first to
Commissioner Guzman
01:46:00.620 --> 01:46:03.020
and then second to Commissioner Shiroma.
01:46:03.020 --> 01:46:06.420
I believe Commissioner
Guzman Aceves you would like
01:46:06.420 --> 01:46:10.303
to make remarks on item
two of the Consent Agenda.
01:46:11.490 --> 01:46:12.747
Thank you, President Batjer.
01:46:12.747 --> 01:46:17.747
I also would just make some
brief remarks on CSS as well.
01:46:18.740 --> 01:46:20.250
Item 16.
01:46:20.250 --> 01:46:22.537
Okay.
Thank you.
01:46:23.939 --> 01:46:27.200
And first off, start
off with the item two
01:46:27.200 --> 01:46:30.450
which is the resolution
adopting our guidelines
01:46:30.450 --> 01:46:33.840
for the Commission's
tribal land transfer policy
01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:37.293
which we adopted December of 2019.
01:46:38.461 --> 01:46:40.660
And I wanna thank
first of all all the folks
01:46:40.660 --> 01:46:44.080
who have worked
tremendously on this resolution
01:46:44.080 --> 01:46:47.750
of start houses the former
Commissioner, Leon Randolph
01:46:47.750 --> 01:46:51.201
and all of her great staff,
Christine Paul, Jason Cato
01:46:51.201 --> 01:46:55.750
in particular who helped
us along in the drafting
01:46:55.750 --> 01:46:59.160
of both the policy and the guidelines.
01:46:59.160 --> 01:47:00.550
Of course, most importantly,
01:47:00.550 --> 01:47:02.540
it has been the energy division team
01:47:02.540 --> 01:47:05.360
who has taken a leadership
role here even though
01:47:05.360 --> 01:47:09.410
there's policy applies
obviously Commission wide.
01:47:09.410 --> 01:47:13.410
In particular, I wanna thank
Mike Rozier who's been the lead
01:47:13.410 --> 01:47:17.550
on the drafting of this and
has been tremendously involved
01:47:17.550 --> 01:47:22.290
in many of the details and
his colleagues, Mary Jo, Barack
01:47:22.290 --> 01:47:26.470
and Molly Sterkel and Simon
Baker who have all been involved
01:47:26.470 --> 01:47:30.440
in the reviewing and most
importantly, she led to Lottie
01:47:30.440 --> 01:47:32.980
who is part of the
energy divisions tariff unit
01:47:32.980 --> 01:47:36.490
who has done the
processing of this resolution.
01:47:36.490 --> 01:47:38.910
And of course, many of the other folks,
01:47:38.910 --> 01:47:42.050
our legal division Jason
Rieger and Jeff Mulligan
01:47:42.050 --> 01:47:46.140
have done a lot of
work on this resolution
01:47:46.140 --> 01:47:49.900
in the policy itself and ALJ
division, Anthony Colbert
01:47:49.900 --> 01:47:52.137
has also been involved
even though this is
01:47:52.137 --> 01:47:54.133
in the resolution arena.
01:47:55.230 --> 01:47:58.540
And then of course all the
people who brought us here,
01:47:58.540 --> 01:48:01.020
if you just indulge me
there's been a lot of people
01:48:01.020 --> 01:48:03.830
on our teams, Stephanie
Green and Ken Holbrook,
01:48:03.830 --> 01:48:06.550
our tribal liaison, my traveler advisor
01:48:06.550 --> 01:48:10.890
and of all the folks before I
want you, you know, so many,
01:48:10.890 --> 01:48:12.170
I'll just wanna highlight
01:48:13.390 --> 01:48:15.680
what this resolution actually does.
01:48:15.680 --> 01:48:19.920
So I really apologize for not
recognizing everybody else
01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:21.823
who's worked on this for so long.
01:48:22.700 --> 01:48:26.600
But really we had a
set of robust comments,
01:48:26.600 --> 01:48:29.900
many new tribal governments
commented which was exciting
01:48:29.900 --> 01:48:33.540
to see, of course the
IOUs continued to comment
01:48:33.540 --> 01:48:36.760
and not sort of constructive feedback.
01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:40.950
We had new stakeholders
including the Builders Association
01:48:40.950 --> 01:48:44.040
who offered again very
constructive feedback.
01:48:44.040 --> 01:48:45.880
And ultimately what we're talking about
01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:50.800
is how to implement the
tribal land policy and the focus
01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:54.900
of the policy is that when a
utility is choosing to dispose
01:48:54.900 --> 01:48:58.384
of a real property it needs to identify
01:48:58.384 --> 01:49:03.384
the original California
tribe or tribes reach out
01:49:03.823 --> 01:49:07.790
and really engage in good
faith negotiations with them.
01:49:07.790 --> 01:49:11.700
And the resolution really
does give all the detail
01:49:11.700 --> 01:49:13.333
on how to do that.
01:49:14.170 --> 01:49:16.902
In addition, we are
committing in the resolution
01:49:16.902 --> 01:49:21.090
to hold a workshop for all stakeholders
01:49:21.090 --> 01:49:24.400
on really delving deeper
into some of the dynamics,
01:49:24.400 --> 01:49:27.640
particularly the dynamic of
what to do when there's more
01:49:27.640 --> 01:49:30.620
than one tribal government in the area.
01:49:30.620 --> 01:49:33.880
And that of course will be
something that we'll continue
01:49:33.880 --> 01:49:38.460
to dialogue around, and also
the resolution does point out
01:49:38.460 --> 01:49:41.504
that within two years
there will be an OIR
01:49:41.504 --> 01:49:43.910
and the order instituting
rulemaking to do a full review
01:49:43.910 --> 01:49:47.727
of the program and to really
learn from what has been,
01:49:47.727 --> 01:49:51.083
what has been experienced
within those two years.
01:49:52.460 --> 01:49:57.460
So really it is a tremendous
progress that we have adopted
01:49:58.150 --> 01:50:00.440
these guidelines and
I truly look forward
01:50:00.440 --> 01:50:01.833
to their implementation.
01:50:02.710 --> 01:50:06.890
Okay, and switching now to
item 16 which is having to deal
01:50:06.890 --> 01:50:10.650
with our broadband program
here, I just wanted to highlight
01:50:10.650 --> 01:50:14.450
that one of the consent
items at 16 was dealing
01:50:14.450 --> 01:50:16.580
with federal funding,
01:50:16.580 --> 01:50:20.630
the federal did rural
digital opportunity fund.
01:50:20.630 --> 01:50:22.270
As you know, President Batjer,
01:50:22.270 --> 01:50:25.750
you had attempted to reach
out to then chairman pied to say,
01:50:25.750 --> 01:50:29.500
let's partner, he rejected
that not just to California
01:50:29.500 --> 01:50:32.400
but many other states, so
for months we've been trying
01:50:32.400 --> 01:50:36.740
to figure out how best to
fulfill the legislative mandate
01:50:36.740 --> 01:50:41.000
they will receive which was
to try to leverage these funds.
01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:45.770
And we did succeed in
that with this resolution
01:50:45.770 --> 01:50:49.630
and really focusing our
state matching on making
01:50:49.630 --> 01:50:53.000
these projects more
expansive and making sure
01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:56.215
that these projects
will have key policies
01:50:56.215 --> 01:50:59.100
priorities for greater
infrastructure in the future
01:50:59.100 --> 01:51:01.180
such as open access.
01:51:01.180 --> 01:51:06.180
So, unfortunately, you know,
what's come down in the awards
01:51:06.270 --> 01:51:07.930
for the auction we've
already talked about
01:51:07.930 --> 01:51:11.540
in previous meetings, but
we really wanna focus in
01:51:11.540 --> 01:51:14.760
on those that really will
establish sustainability
01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:16.170
which include those projects
01:51:16.170 --> 01:51:19.818
with fiber and hybrid
fiber coaxial networks.
01:51:19.818 --> 01:51:22.240
So I look forward to that.
01:51:22.240 --> 01:51:26.180
And just as a final note, we
did approve two more projects
01:51:26.180 --> 01:51:30.801
from our CSF existing
applicants and so as a result,
01:51:30.801 --> 01:51:35.801
over 1,477 sort of households
will be served in the counties
01:51:37.210 --> 01:51:40.360
of humble Plasser and Sutter counties.
01:51:40.360 --> 01:51:44.030
And thank you so much for
the team, the CSF team led
01:51:44.030 --> 01:51:47.740
by Selena Wong, Louis
Fischer, James Tang
01:51:47.740 --> 01:51:51.317
and the leadership of and
our judge Joanna government.
01:51:56.610 --> 01:51:59.340
And of course my VK
partner, President Batjer
01:51:59.340 --> 01:52:01.233
and your advisor, Michael Malaney.
01:52:02.228 --> 01:52:05.260
And VK guy out of well
from legal and my advisors,
01:52:05.260 --> 01:52:08.252
Sarah Sharpen my former
advisor, Stephanie who put
01:52:08.252 --> 01:52:12.950
in a lot of work to these
policies and projects.
01:52:12.950 --> 01:52:15.853
Thank you very much
for of me to be so long.
01:52:17.950 --> 01:52:19.683
Thanks, Martha, very helpful.
01:52:20.550 --> 01:52:23.070
Moving on now to Commissioner Shiroma,
01:52:23.070 --> 01:52:26.913
I believe you wish to speak
on item two and item 19.
01:52:28.050 --> 01:52:30.030
Yes, thank you,
President Batjer.
01:52:30.030 --> 01:52:33.130
On item two for all the reasons
01:52:33.130 --> 01:52:37.017
that Commissioner Guzman
Aceves, you know privileged
01:52:37.017 --> 01:52:42.017
to vote out this
resolution I simply wanted
01:52:43.760 --> 01:52:48.760
to add that release through
our travel advisor can Holbrook
01:52:48.810 --> 01:52:51.460
and through the
low-income oversight board
01:52:51.460 --> 01:52:54.980
which convened an
expert panel discussion
01:52:54.980 --> 01:52:59.853
on what constitutes meaningful
consultation with tribes.
01:53:01.040 --> 01:53:06.040
I really appreciate
the significance of that.
01:53:07.300 --> 01:53:10.150
The concerns expressed
by tribal governments
01:53:10.150 --> 01:53:12.450
regarding the consultation process
01:53:12.450 --> 01:53:17.450
and that this resolution folds
in the importance definition
01:53:20.560 --> 01:53:24.570
that has been used by
other government entities
01:53:24.570 --> 01:53:27.740
and as Commissioner
does not as others indicated
01:53:28.768 --> 01:53:31.700
the workshop that is
Jamie follow our adoption
01:53:31.700 --> 01:53:33.400
of these guidelines.
01:53:33.400 --> 01:53:37.894
So I do want to thank the
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
01:53:37.894 --> 01:53:41.580
and her team who really been
instrumental in working keenly
01:53:43.780 --> 01:53:47.333
with the division and the team
01:53:47.333 --> 01:53:49.823
that has brought this to success.
01:53:50.850 --> 01:53:53.370
So thank you on item two.
01:53:53.370 --> 01:53:57.190
Item 19 if this is the
directions for implementation
01:53:57.190 --> 01:54:01.210
of the school energy
efficiency stimulus program,
01:54:01.210 --> 01:54:03.420
and I wanna thank the Commissioners
01:54:03.420 --> 01:54:05.610
for voting this decision out
01:54:05.610 --> 01:54:08.970
it effectuates assembly bill 841,
01:54:08.970 --> 01:54:11.910
the school energy largest
described with what it is.
01:54:11.910 --> 01:54:15.210
It is designed to prepare
schools throughout the state
01:54:15.210 --> 01:54:18.413
for reopening during
the COVID-19 pandemic.
01:54:19.466 --> 01:54:22.180
The California Energy Commission
will administer the program
01:54:22.180 --> 01:54:23.480
to provide school districts
01:54:23.480 --> 01:54:27.870
with functional ventilation
systems a new plumbing, fixtures
01:54:27.870 --> 01:54:30.650
and appliances that meet
water efficiency standards
01:54:30.650 --> 01:54:34.970
to protect the children,
the students, the instructors,
01:54:34.970 --> 01:54:39.970
all of the folks who are working
and teaching and learning
01:54:41.330 --> 01:54:44.770
at schools again, to prevent
the spread of COVID-19
01:54:44.770 --> 01:54:48.720
in the four investor owned
utility service territories.
01:54:48.720 --> 01:54:52.650
That bill was signed into
law only this last September.
01:54:52.650 --> 01:54:57.650
And it is a up to $600 million budget,
01:55:01.490 --> 01:55:04.510
these are from our energy efficiency,
01:55:04.510 --> 01:55:09.260
they're not yet collected
in terms of the customers,
01:55:09.260 --> 01:55:12.680
but it just over what we had envisioned
01:55:12.680 --> 01:55:15.860
in the energy efficiency program
to the energy Commission
01:55:16.961 --> 01:55:20.317
to start this year
through the, into 2023,
01:55:20.317 --> 01:55:23.230
it does authorize utilities
01:55:23.230 --> 01:55:26.499
for all of the accounting reporting,
01:55:26.499 --> 01:55:31.499
it requires the utilities
are our decision voting out
01:55:34.810 --> 01:55:38.620
requires utilities to
submit a joint advice letter
01:55:38.620 --> 01:55:42.140
by February 1, right around
the corner here we are working
01:55:42.140 --> 01:55:47.140
in a fast paced make sure that
this requirement is completed
01:55:49.445 --> 01:55:53.190
for the COVID environment,
01:55:53.190 --> 01:55:58.190
it's a direct step 25% of
the projects funded must be
01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:01.220
in underserved communities.
01:56:01.220 --> 01:56:05.830
And on January 22nd, next
week, the California incubation
01:56:05.830 --> 01:56:08.630
will host a public workshop online
01:56:08.630 --> 01:56:13.630
to discuss the implementation
of the program I plan
01:56:14.650 --> 01:56:17.700
to attend that workshop
and that workshop information
01:56:17.700 --> 01:56:20.630
is on the Commission's website.
01:56:20.630 --> 01:56:23.190
I do wanna thank
Commissioner then Randolph
01:56:24.919 --> 01:56:26.795
who worked on this decision.
01:56:26.795 --> 01:56:31.210
You know, it's an 11 and
a half 11, three quarter are
01:56:31.210 --> 01:56:35.533
you know, helped to
bring it over the finish line.
01:56:36.400 --> 01:56:40.460
Chris, we know Leann is chair
of the air resources board now
01:56:41.347 --> 01:56:43.797
I wanna thank her chief
of staff, Christine Hall,
01:56:44.634 --> 01:56:49.457
advisor Jason and the energy
division staff, Jen, George
01:56:51.060 --> 01:56:52.810
and Payne gone.
01:56:52.810 --> 01:56:56.585
Ms. how, and from my office,
my visor show when my chief
01:56:56.585 --> 01:57:01.585
of staff warm is fine for
bringing this forward, thank you.
01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:04.470
Thank you, President Batjer.
01:57:04.470 --> 01:57:06.170
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma.
01:57:07.283 --> 01:57:10.743
Is there any other comments
about the Consent Agenda?
01:57:12.450 --> 01:57:14.890
Okay, seeing none, we will move on.
01:57:14.890 --> 01:57:19.510
However, we are gonna
take a brief 15 minute break
01:57:19.510 --> 01:57:23.440
before we take up the
regular agenda items for today.
01:57:23.440 --> 01:57:27.730
So 15 minute break we'll call it 12.
01:57:27.730 --> 01:57:32.730
So at 12:15, 12:20 ish,
since we're a little beyond 12,
01:57:33.689 --> 01:57:37.260
well, let's get back to the
agenda, which we will resume
01:57:37.260 --> 01:57:39.170
the regular agendas that time.
01:57:39.170 --> 01:57:42.403
Okay, thank you.
(upbeat music)
01:57:48.580 --> 01:57:53.500
Oh, we are going to
resume our agenda at first.
01:57:53.500 --> 01:57:57.370
We need to make sure
that we have a quorum.
01:57:57.370 --> 01:57:59.800
So will the agenda
clerk please call the role
01:57:59.800 --> 01:58:00.883
to establish quorum.
01:58:02.960 --> 01:58:04.345
Commissioner Shiroma.
01:58:04.345 --> 01:58:05.178
Present.
01:58:06.986 --> 01:58:08.818
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
01:58:08.818 --> 01:58:10.397
Yes.
01:58:10.397 --> 01:58:12.122
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
01:58:12.122 --> 01:58:12.955
Present.
01:58:14.539 --> 01:58:17.600
President Batjer.
I am here.
01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:20.850
So we have established
quorum, thank you very much.
01:58:20.850 --> 01:58:24.950
We will now take up
the regular agenda items
01:58:24.950 --> 01:58:28.880
and we will start with item number 37
01:58:30.100 --> 01:58:33.053
which is Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
01:58:35.730 --> 01:58:37.780
Thank you, President Batjer.
01:58:37.780 --> 01:58:42.203
This item is having to do
with the San Diego Gas
01:58:42.203 --> 01:58:44.540
& Electric application
01:58:44.540 --> 01:58:48.380
for approving it's forecasted
energy procurement costs
01:58:48.380 --> 01:58:52.710
of 2021, which is commonly referred to
01:58:52.710 --> 01:58:56.800
as the energy resource and
recovery account or ERRA.
01:58:58.230 --> 01:59:01.670
In the annual era forecast
proceedings what we do
01:59:01.670 --> 01:59:05.370
is we approve the cost
that's going to go into race
01:59:05.370 --> 01:59:10.310
for the fuel and purchase
energy costs for the customer base
01:59:10.310 --> 01:59:12.570
which is obviously a component
01:59:12.570 --> 01:59:16.640
of the overall revenue
requirement that utility needs
01:59:16.640 --> 01:59:17.840
to collect for the year.
01:59:18.710 --> 01:59:23.110
And in addition, the ERRA
is also looking at determining
01:59:23.110 --> 01:59:25.530
how those costs are not determining
01:59:25.530 --> 01:59:28.750
but deriving those into rates.
01:59:28.750 --> 01:59:33.350
And so it is largely
an accounting function.
01:59:33.350 --> 01:59:36.900
Now I wanna talk a little
bit about the difference
01:59:36.900 --> 01:59:41.900
between the APD, the alternate
and the PD, and the alternate
01:59:42.660 --> 01:59:46.170
that I proposed directing SDG&E
01:59:46.170 --> 01:59:50.923
to use the updated sales
forecast for deriving the rates.
01:59:52.244 --> 01:59:55.410
The updated forecast in
the APD reflects the fact
01:59:55.410 --> 01:59:59.350
that we're going to see low
departure this year of more
01:59:59.350 --> 02:00:04.350
than 30% of the utilities
glowed to the CCAs.
02:00:04.970 --> 02:00:07.470
Mainly the San Diego Community Power
02:00:07.470 --> 02:00:09.010
and Clean Energy Alliance
02:00:10.610 --> 02:00:14.630
where the PD does not
reflect a slow departure
02:00:14.630 --> 02:00:17.757
in its forecast to determine rates it.
02:00:17.757 --> 02:00:21.840
And what that means is
we would inevitably be seen
02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:26.840
and under collection this
year and the estimate is varied
02:00:27.430 --> 02:00:32.430
between 115 million and one
of the parties CCS suggested
02:00:32.650 --> 02:00:35.360
it'd be closer to 215 million.
02:00:35.360 --> 02:00:37.710
So we know it would it
be large in either case.
02:00:39.100 --> 02:00:41.820
So rates as was mentioned
by some of the comments
02:00:41.820 --> 02:00:45.320
would be artificially
low right now in the PD.
02:00:45.320 --> 02:00:50.320
And then they would
inevitably go up by a bit in later
02:00:50.370 --> 02:00:53.103
after the under
collection was addressed.
02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:59.000
So given that we certainly
see additional increases outside
02:01:00.224 --> 02:01:02.850
of this in the future.
02:01:02.850 --> 02:01:06.550
I think putting off this increase now
02:01:06.550 --> 02:01:10.228
which would obviously
not reflect the true costs,
02:01:10.228 --> 02:01:13.670
would be irresponsible
for the bundled customers.
02:01:13.670 --> 02:01:18.180
I know this morning, we
heard a lot from the non bundled
02:01:18.180 --> 02:01:22.047
or the future to the unbundled
customers but really this
02:01:22.047 --> 02:01:25.273
is not necessarily a good
thing for the bundle customers.
02:01:26.110 --> 02:01:31.110
So finally, a revision that we
took place in the APB came
02:01:31.420 --> 02:01:34.450
at the request of
comments from many parties
02:01:34.450 --> 02:01:39.450
that we apply the system average
percent change methodology
02:01:41.546 --> 02:01:46.546
to ensure that each class will
see a same percent increase
02:01:46.860 --> 02:01:48.540
in their rates is just something
02:01:48.540 --> 02:01:51.233
to smooth over the rate impact.
02:01:52.380 --> 02:01:57.090
And finally, I just wanna
note that these transitions
02:01:57.090 --> 02:02:01.350
of CCA customers is certainly
not something new particularly
02:02:01.350 --> 02:02:05.750
in PG&E and SCE
territories but it is something
02:02:05.750 --> 02:02:10.420
that this particular territory
hadn't faced for this degree,
02:02:10.420 --> 02:02:15.130
there is CCA is already,
but this is a significant shift
02:02:15.130 --> 02:02:19.160
in the load for the generation needs.
02:02:19.160 --> 02:02:22.970
Yeah, my, I want to just urge
and continue that the CCAs
02:02:25.160 --> 02:02:30.160
and the utilities were
collaboratively more collaboratively
02:02:30.859 --> 02:02:34.430
in the future because
ultimately their relationship
02:02:34.430 --> 02:02:37.950
is what's gonna benefit
their joint customers.
02:02:37.950 --> 02:02:42.950
So I hope that this situation
that we're faced here with
02:02:44.350 --> 02:02:47.730
which led to a delay
in getting to a place
02:02:47.730 --> 02:02:49.650
where we could even vote on an era
02:02:49.650 --> 02:02:52.380
is it mitigated in the future.
02:02:52.380 --> 02:02:56.560
Okay, and finally, I do
wanna thank all the staff work
02:02:56.560 --> 02:02:59.370
over the holidays and
many nights and weekends
02:02:59.370 --> 02:03:03.780
on analyzing these different
rate impacts and scenarios
02:03:03.780 --> 02:03:07.130
and impacts to both
bundled and unbundled
02:03:07.130 --> 02:03:10.580
and who want to start
with Emily Green Ginsburg,
02:03:10.580 --> 02:03:14.940
Dina Makin, French Chiang,
Jonathan Wardrobe, Paul Phillips,
02:03:14.940 --> 02:03:19.348
my super day, and Dorothy
Duda, the ALJs including some
02:03:19.348 --> 02:03:24.348
from the GRC proceeding,
Jean McKinney and Susan Leads
02:03:24.940 --> 02:03:27.520
who really helped educate us
02:03:27.520 --> 02:03:30.899
on the relationship between the two,
02:03:30.899 --> 02:03:34.210
and of course President
Batjer my retail partner
02:03:34.210 --> 02:03:36.203
and her advisor, Josh Honeycutt,
02:03:37.720 --> 02:03:40.170
who agonized over this as well.
02:03:40.170 --> 02:03:43.890
And most of all, to the
assigned judge, judge Brzezinski
02:03:43.890 --> 02:03:45.960
who did most of the heavy lifting
02:03:45.960 --> 02:03:49.980
of course wrote also
the APD for for my office
02:03:49.980 --> 02:03:53.300
and finally to my adviser
Maria Sotera for all the work
02:03:53.300 --> 02:03:54.443
in coordinating this.
02:03:56.123 --> 02:03:58.640
So with that description,
I asked for your support
02:03:58.640 --> 02:04:01.043
for the alternate 37a.
02:04:04.410 --> 02:04:07.450
Okay, thank you,
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:04:07.450 --> 02:04:11.770
As you're being a partner
on this, I wanna thank you
02:04:11.770 --> 02:04:14.740
and all of your hard
work and that of your staff,
02:04:14.740 --> 02:04:18.040
I will be supporting
the revised alternate
02:04:18.040 --> 02:04:20.500
proposed decision today as well,
02:04:20.500 --> 02:04:23.410
I want to start by
thinking of course you
02:04:23.410 --> 02:04:27.950
and your staff again,
and for all your hard work
02:04:27.950 --> 02:04:31.080
and your persistence efforts,
02:04:31.080 --> 02:04:33.610
I also want to recognize
the work of the judges,
02:04:33.610 --> 02:04:38.610
legal and energy division
staff that have truly been
02:04:39.270 --> 02:04:43.860
on 24/7 standby on
for analysis and revision
02:04:43.860 --> 02:04:46.083
in the previous weeks.
02:04:46.930 --> 02:04:51.440
This was a team effort
and the spirit of flexibility
02:04:51.440 --> 02:04:54.760
and collaboration of all exemplifies
02:04:55.660 --> 02:04:58.810
the dedication professionalism
I witnessed day in
02:04:58.810 --> 02:05:00.350
and day out here at the Commission,
02:05:00.350 --> 02:05:02.063
so thank you all very much.
02:05:03.070 --> 02:05:05.630
This was not an easy
decision to come by,
02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:10.010
but I do support Commissioner
Guzman and his conclusions.
02:05:10.010 --> 02:05:12.150
In my mind, this outcome best accounts
02:05:12.150 --> 02:05:14.830
for the shifting reality is as Martha's
02:05:14.830 --> 02:05:17.610
just recently spoke up
in the San Diego area
02:05:17.610 --> 02:05:21.010
while minimizing the
impact on rate payer
02:05:21.010 --> 02:05:23.600
admits difficult financial time,
02:05:23.600 --> 02:05:26.420
something which weighed heavily on me
02:05:26.420 --> 02:05:30.600
as I deliberated this item.
02:05:30.600 --> 02:05:32.780
Again, thank you all who contributed
02:05:32.780 --> 02:05:37.780
to the alternate proposed
decision, I will be supporting it.
02:05:38.130 --> 02:05:40.150
Thank you, and I will turn
to my fellow Commissioners
02:05:40.150 --> 02:05:42.180
for their comments, I
think I saw Commissioner...
02:05:42.180 --> 02:05:43.483
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma.
02:05:47.100 --> 02:05:49.384
Yes, thank you, Present Batjer.
02:05:49.384 --> 02:05:51.970
And thank you Commissioner
Guzman Aceves,
02:05:51.970 --> 02:05:56.770
I will be supporting your
alternative proposed decisions.
02:05:56.770 --> 02:06:00.510
37a, as you described, it is essential
02:06:00.510 --> 02:06:02.840
that customer commodity
rates be as accurate
02:06:02.840 --> 02:06:06.993
as we can possibly get them
to avoid under collections.
02:06:08.230 --> 02:06:11.253
And under collections can
lead to subsequent rate spikes,
02:06:12.290 --> 02:06:17.290
and we do wanna provide
for fairness level playing field
02:06:17.460 --> 02:06:21.880
for the GCA, the community
choice aggregators in the end
02:06:21.880 --> 02:06:25.190
we want to be accurate
and avoid other collections.
02:06:25.190 --> 02:06:28.030
And the alternate
decision does achieve that,
02:06:28.030 --> 02:06:30.720
I appreciate that it was
revised to use the system
02:06:30.720 --> 02:06:34.280
average percent change
method, which provides
02:06:34.280 --> 02:06:39.050
for a more evenly
sprinting of the customer
02:06:39.890 --> 02:06:41.920
on the customer classes so that
02:06:41.920 --> 02:06:45.580
no one customer class experiences
02:06:45.580 --> 02:06:47.620
the increase disproportionately.
02:06:47.620 --> 02:06:49.800
So thank you, Commissioner
Guzman Aceves,
02:06:49.800 --> 02:06:53.770
your advisor raised the
taro, the judge Burzynski
02:06:53.770 --> 02:06:56.650
and the energy division ERRA team
02:06:56.650 --> 02:06:58.827
and then support of 37a, thank you.
02:07:03.417 --> 02:07:04.790
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:07:04.790 --> 02:07:07.210
Now Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:07:07.210 --> 02:07:10.900
I suppose I also support
the alternate for the reasons
02:07:10.900 --> 02:07:14.960
that Commissioner Guzman
Aceves and Commissioner Shiroma
02:07:14.960 --> 02:07:17.439
Commissioner Batjer have articulated,
02:07:17.439 --> 02:07:22.439
it void under collections
that will create bill volatility
02:07:23.140 --> 02:07:26.250
because we're creating
artificially low rates that's
02:07:26.250 --> 02:07:28.616
in nobody's interest and it also
02:07:28.616 --> 02:07:32.670
could set these rates
artificially low at a time
02:07:32.670 --> 02:07:35.980
that customers are choosing
between staying you get
02:07:35.980 --> 02:07:39.120
an electric or migrating to
the SCCA and we want them
02:07:39.120 --> 02:07:42.070
to have accurate bill information.
02:07:42.070 --> 02:07:43.550
And I appreciate the revision
02:07:43.550 --> 02:07:46.267
to use the system average
percent change methodology,
02:07:46.267 --> 02:07:49.990
we've got some of those impacts
and avoid disparate impacts
02:07:49.990 --> 02:07:52.060
on certain customer classes,
02:07:52.060 --> 02:07:53.810
I will be supporting the alternate.
02:07:55.990 --> 02:07:58.490
Okay, thank you, are
there any further comments?
02:08:00.819 --> 02:08:04.346
I believe now I'm gonna
ask Anne Simon a question.
02:08:04.346 --> 02:08:09.346
Can we take up 37a, given the
comments of the Commissioners
02:08:09.770 --> 02:08:13.050
or do we have to pick
up both and vote on both,
02:08:13.050 --> 02:08:14.900
Ann Simon, could you please advise me
02:08:16.091 --> 02:08:19.140
Prison Batjer,
you can start with 37A.
02:08:19.140 --> 02:08:20.340
Okay, thank you, Anne.
02:08:39.290 --> 02:08:40.870
I was on mute, I'm sorry.
02:08:40.870 --> 02:08:42.420
We're going to be taking up 37a
02:08:44.330 --> 02:08:46.480
and the agenda clerk,
please call the roll.
02:08:48.070 --> 02:08:50.880
For 37a
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:08:50.880 --> 02:08:52.430
Aye.
02:08:52.430 --> 02:08:53.927
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:08:54.807 --> 02:08:56.130
Aye.
02:08:56.130 --> 02:08:57.980
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:08:57.980 --> 02:08:58.813
Yes.
02:08:59.650 --> 02:09:01.000
President Batjer.
02:09:08.048 --> 02:09:09.381
President Batjer
02:09:10.700 --> 02:09:13.960
Sorry, I keep muting
myself accidentally,
02:09:13.960 --> 02:09:18.960
that we have just voted
unanimously for item 37a.
02:09:20.437 --> 02:09:23.870
And that negates the
purpose or the reason
02:09:23.870 --> 02:09:25.393
to take up items 37.
02:09:26.740 --> 02:09:28.940
President Batjer, we
didn't hear your vote
02:09:29.870 --> 02:09:31.570
Oh, you didn't, okay.
02:09:31.570 --> 02:09:35.277
I'm sorry, I voted yes for items 37a.
02:09:38.980 --> 02:09:41.350
Thank you Sir, for telling me that.
02:09:41.350 --> 02:09:44.093
So the vote was unanimous, for 37a.
02:09:46.760 --> 02:09:49.990
Okay, we're now moving on to item 38,
02:09:53.750 --> 02:09:56.203
and that is Commissioner Shiroma's item.
02:09:57.690 --> 02:09:59.540
Yes, thank you,
President Batjer.
02:09:59.540 --> 02:10:00.690
Well, good afternoon, everybody.
02:10:00.690 --> 02:10:04.020
I'm pleased to introduce item 38,
02:10:04.020 --> 02:10:08.420
the attracts to decision
adopting, lack of rates and tariffs
02:10:08.420 --> 02:10:11.710
for the industry own utilities
and authorizing procurement
02:10:11.710 --> 02:10:13.543
of substation backup power.
02:10:14.390 --> 02:10:18.510
In 2018 the California
Senate passed SB 1339
02:10:18.510 --> 02:10:22.920
carried Advicent or
stern, any section 8371
02:10:22.920 --> 02:10:26.410
to our public utilities
code directing us
02:10:26.410 --> 02:10:30.207
to take a number of
actions, did all policies related
02:10:31.550 --> 02:10:36.550
to microgrids, it required
us to develop standards,
02:10:37.200 --> 02:10:39.620
sort of standards
necessary to meet state
02:10:39.620 --> 02:10:42.240
and local program requirements
without shifting costs
02:10:42.240 --> 02:10:45.310
between rate payers developed
methods to reduce barriers
02:10:45.310 --> 02:10:47.760
for microgrid development,
develop guidelines
02:10:47.760 --> 02:10:50.320
that determine what
impact studies are required
02:10:50.320 --> 02:10:51.910
for microgrids to connect
02:10:51.910 --> 02:10:53.995
to the electrical corporation grid
02:10:53.995 --> 02:10:58.580
develop separate large
electrical corporation,
02:10:58.580 --> 02:11:01.340
ration cars as necessary
to support microgrids
02:11:01.340 --> 02:11:04.550
while ensuring the system
public and worker safety
02:11:04.550 --> 02:11:07.560
are given the highest
priority for me working group
02:11:07.560 --> 02:11:09.727
to codify standards and protocols needed
02:11:09.727 --> 02:11:12.470
to meet California
electrical corporation
02:11:12.470 --> 02:11:16.440
and CAISO microbial
requirements and develop a standard
02:11:16.440 --> 02:11:19.430
for direct metering and electric rule 21
02:11:19.430 --> 02:11:22.810
to streamline the
interconnection process.
02:11:22.810 --> 02:11:24.310
Laura interconnection process,
02:11:25.476 --> 02:11:28.710
a cost for direct current
moderate applications.
02:11:28.710 --> 02:11:31.810
So a little over a year ago
around this time we worked
02:11:31.810 --> 02:11:34.640
with stakeholders on track one decision.
02:11:34.640 --> 02:11:38.340
She voted out last June
that was well in advance,
02:11:38.340 --> 02:11:41.570
that was December 1st,
2020 separatory deadline
02:11:41.570 --> 02:11:44.011
outlined SBA search 39.
02:11:44.011 --> 02:11:45.030
And that decision sounds like many
02:11:45.030 --> 02:11:50.030
of the meals requirements
by implementing a requirement
02:11:51.430 --> 02:11:52.950
we've acquired the development
02:11:52.950 --> 02:11:55.830
that a template based
application process
02:11:55.830 --> 02:11:58.050
or specific behind the meter projects
02:11:58.050 --> 02:12:01.230
to prioritize streamline
and expedite applications
02:12:01.230 --> 02:12:05.040
and approvals or keywords
in it and C projects.
02:12:05.040 --> 02:12:07.550
We require the addition
of dedicated staff
02:12:07.550 --> 02:12:11.010
to the utilities distribution
planning team especially
02:12:11.010 --> 02:12:15.040
in resiliency project
development for local jurisdictions
02:12:15.040 --> 02:12:17.870
allowed energy storage
systems in advance
02:12:17.870 --> 02:12:20.816
of public safety power
shut off an import
02:12:20.816 --> 02:12:25.167
but not export to the grid
in support of preparedness
02:12:25.167 --> 02:12:29.070
and advance of a grid outage
removed the storage size
02:12:29.070 --> 02:12:32.980
and limits for large net
energy metering, paired storage
02:12:32.980 --> 02:12:35.380
and maintained existing
metering requirements
02:12:35.380 --> 02:12:38.480
required the development
of a separate access,
02:12:38.480 --> 02:12:41.020
restricted portal for
local jurisdictions,
02:12:41.020 --> 02:12:43.050
I give information to support
02:12:43.050 --> 02:12:45.850
local community resiliency projects.
02:12:45.850 --> 02:12:49.620
We approved PG&E's
community enablement program
02:12:49.620 --> 02:12:51.570
which provides prioritized basis
02:12:51.570 --> 02:12:56.430
for community requested grid
for PSPS mitigation purposes.
02:12:56.430 --> 02:12:59.080
We approved page
needs make ready program
02:12:59.080 --> 02:13:02.200
for the period 2020, 2022,
02:13:02.200 --> 02:13:07.200
which enabled prioritized
substations to operate
02:13:07.230 --> 02:13:10.110
in an island and mode also
02:13:10.110 --> 02:13:13.230
approve PG&E temporary
generation program
02:13:13.230 --> 02:13:17.000
which involves leasing mobile
generators for temporary use
02:13:17.000 --> 02:13:21.210
during the 2020 wildfire
season, we approved PG&E's,
02:13:21.210 --> 02:13:23.300
excuse me saying, hey,
we got an electrics request
02:13:23.300 --> 02:13:26.127
to procure a local area
distribution controller
02:13:26.127 --> 02:13:31.127
and we removed the
storage size limitations
02:13:32.010 --> 02:13:33.990
for largely impaired storage
02:13:33.990 --> 02:13:37.470
that maintained the
existing media requirements
02:13:37.470 --> 02:13:40.030
and filing the approved
San Diego Gas Electric
02:13:41.243 --> 02:13:43.540
requested bruxer and local
area distribution controller.
02:13:43.540 --> 02:13:47.197
Now we've already seen the
positive results of that decision
02:13:47.197 --> 02:13:52.197
through decreased impact of
the PSPS events this past fall.
02:13:53.080 --> 02:13:55.670
Now on the heels of that June decision,
02:13:55.670 --> 02:13:59.780
we kicked off track two of
three, okay, this is track two,
02:13:59.780 --> 02:14:01.070
there'll be a third track,
02:14:01.070 --> 02:14:03.023
we're not closing on this proceeding.
02:14:04.140 --> 02:14:06.880
We issued two stock
proposals one in July
02:14:06.880 --> 02:14:08.310
and one in September.
02:14:08.310 --> 02:14:09.930
We also conducted two workshops
02:14:09.930 --> 02:14:13.820
including the August 25th
workshop where you all join me
02:14:13.820 --> 02:14:15.960
on the desk to explore alternative
02:14:15.960 --> 02:14:19.052
to diesel fuel backup generation for use
02:14:19.052 --> 02:14:24.052
to safely energized
substations during PSPS events.
02:14:25.210 --> 02:14:29.060
Staff use the workshop to
develop the staff proposal
02:14:29.060 --> 02:14:32.190
on interim approaches
for minimizing emissions
02:14:32.190 --> 02:14:37.190
from generation and we
have a proposal for that,
02:14:38.150 --> 02:14:40.480
for 2021 and going forward.
02:14:40.480 --> 02:14:43.560
So this decision adopts
both of the staff proposals
02:14:43.560 --> 02:14:46.620
of modification, and this
was based on the broad
02:14:46.620 --> 02:14:50.163
and diverse set of comments
and apply at comments received.
02:14:52.550 --> 02:14:56.260
This decision first would order
Southern California Edison
02:14:56.260 --> 02:14:59.410
to revise its rule two,
to permit the installation
02:14:59.410 --> 02:15:02.580
of microgrids as added
or special facilities
02:15:02.580 --> 02:15:04.777
bringing their role into
harmony with PG&E
02:15:04.777 --> 02:15:06.850
and San Diego Gas & Electric.
02:15:06.850 --> 02:15:10.930
If I just say these
changes will reduce barriers
02:15:10.930 --> 02:15:13.650
to mockery commercialization.
02:15:13.650 --> 02:15:18.093
Second, the decision
direct the three IOUs,
02:15:19.000 --> 02:15:21.483
the essence, as the gas, I'm
not sure at the San Diego Gas
02:15:21.483 --> 02:15:26.210
& Electric through revise
their respective rule 18 or 19
02:15:26.210 --> 02:15:29.390
to allow microgrids to
serve critical customers
02:15:29.390 --> 02:15:31.293
on a Jason's parcel.
02:15:33.100 --> 02:15:37.740
All of these criteria are
geared towards providing
02:15:37.740 --> 02:15:42.320
for safety and for
sustainability resiliency
02:15:42.320 --> 02:15:46.990
because the grid is a very
complicated infrastructure.
02:15:46.990 --> 02:15:50.443
Critical customers are
defined by the PSPS,
02:15:50.443 --> 02:15:52.683
the energization decision.
02:15:54.556 --> 02:15:59.556
When I'm going to
shortness this a little bit
02:16:01.008 --> 02:16:05.113
as you might imagine, to
have a long detail rule 18 and 19
02:16:05.113 --> 02:16:07.570
that it would allow local
government microgrids
02:16:07.570 --> 02:16:10.980
to service critical
customers on adjacent parcel.
02:16:10.980 --> 02:16:14.110
It also provides relief
for local governments
02:16:14.110 --> 02:16:15.530
which include public schools.
02:16:15.530 --> 02:16:17.520
By the way, we heard about
public schools this morning
02:16:17.520 --> 02:16:19.840
from a commenter and tribal governments
02:16:20.786 --> 02:16:25.786
and provide greater
flexibility for these entities
02:16:25.860 --> 02:16:30.860
under rule 18 and 19, we also
we direct the IOUs to develop
02:16:32.943 --> 02:16:37.943
with tariff schedule or fully
renewable microbions deploying
02:16:38.410 --> 02:16:41.500
to generators and loads
as a single account,
02:16:41.500 --> 02:16:45.040
and this is an also
directs the working group
02:16:45.040 --> 02:16:49.550
of travel speak to when
more detail later to consider
02:16:49.550 --> 02:16:52.090
whether to rely compensation
to energy exports
02:16:52.090 --> 02:16:55.500
from non-renewable
resources in the microgrid
02:16:55.500 --> 02:16:57.963
under this new tariff rubric.
02:16:58.810 --> 02:17:03.810
The decision also a direct
the IOUs to develop jointly
02:17:05.970 --> 02:17:07.860
in microgrid incentive program,
02:17:07.860 --> 02:17:10.023
we heard quite a few comments
02:17:10.023 --> 02:17:11.828
on this grid incentive program.
02:17:11.828 --> 02:17:15.710
The IOUs are to develop
it together and submit it
02:17:15.710 --> 02:17:20.430
for CPU's approval, this
program would mitigate some
02:17:20.430 --> 02:17:23.656
of the financial
barriers by finding clean,
02:17:23.656 --> 02:17:27.850
decision requires clean energy
community and microgrids
02:17:27.850 --> 02:17:32.850
with a $200 million to support
the needs of low-income
02:17:34.290 --> 02:17:37.440
and vulnerable populations,
which includes access
02:17:37.440 --> 02:17:40.660
and functional needs
customers on medical baseline
02:17:40.660 --> 02:17:42.860
or electricity dependent,
Medicare patients.
02:17:43.900 --> 02:17:47.283
Those are included in
the vulnerable populations.
02:17:48.460 --> 02:17:50.760
These populations that are
most likely to be impacted
02:17:50.760 --> 02:17:54.070
by grid outages, there
has to be a convening
02:17:54.070 --> 02:17:58.360
of a stakeholder working
group, and that is where
02:17:58.360 --> 02:18:02.780
and he's like Reclaim Our
Power sunrise books we heard
02:18:03.661 --> 02:18:08.137
from today can participate
in shaping this plan based
02:18:10.580 --> 02:18:15.310
on that feedback from
stakeholders routes.
02:18:15.310 --> 02:18:18.143
And by the way, that's
a stakeholder group,
02:18:19.434 --> 02:18:21.912
it's the coordinated
with the energy vision.
02:18:21.912 --> 02:18:26.912
You know, our PD RPV
refers to placing guard rails,
02:18:28.300 --> 02:18:33.300
and what that means is
is that what it doesn't mean
02:18:34.490 --> 02:18:38.660
is that somehow somebody
is left out or cannot weigh
02:18:38.660 --> 02:18:43.660
but rather it means it's
20 IOUs that this program
02:18:43.760 --> 02:18:46.580
is to be a viable program, okay?
02:18:46.580 --> 02:18:50.253
Don't change it where we are
talking about low-income clean,
02:18:51.760 --> 02:18:53.010
those are the guardrails.
02:18:54.240 --> 02:18:56.040
And that stakeholder input
02:18:56.040 --> 02:18:59.410
is to be significant and meaningful.
02:18:59.410 --> 02:19:02.850
So and furthermore,
we'll utilities in this plan,
02:19:02.850 --> 02:19:05.870
and they need to include descriptions
02:19:05.870 --> 02:19:10.870
of the funding
allocation, the accounting,
02:19:12.240 --> 02:19:17.240
and a resiliency and
equity scoring system, okay?
02:19:17.690 --> 02:19:20.650
A resiliency and equity scoring system,
02:19:20.650 --> 02:19:24.250
and all of that needs to be
submitted to the energy division
02:19:24.250 --> 02:19:27.490
in advance of launching.
02:19:27.490 --> 02:19:32.490
Then we also directly IOUs
on evaluating isolation methods
02:19:33.200 --> 02:19:37.120
and DC metering, we direct
the IOUs develop pathways
02:19:37.120 --> 02:19:40.340
for evaluation and approval of low cost,
02:19:40.340 --> 02:19:42.753
reliable electrical isolation methods,
02:19:43.660 --> 02:19:47.787
we know this is critical
to provide safely providing
02:19:50.790 --> 02:19:55.760
for power during a grid
outage, you know, let's just be,
02:19:55.760 --> 02:19:59.480
I'm not electrical engineer,
I'm a materials engineer,
02:19:59.480 --> 02:20:02.764
but the electrical engineers on the team
02:20:02.764 --> 02:20:06.777
and the teams that the
IOUs have really emphasized.
02:20:06.777 --> 02:20:11.400
The grid is the very essential.
02:20:11.400 --> 02:20:13.880
And also electricity is dangerous
02:20:13.880 --> 02:20:16.030
if you have to get this right.
02:20:16.030 --> 02:20:18.370
But anyway, we are
directing that they do,
02:20:18.370 --> 02:20:21.197
the guidelines do provide those pathways
02:20:21.197 --> 02:20:24.910
and minimize the risks of any kind
02:20:24.910 --> 02:20:29.570
of backfeeding of
electricity and to provide
02:20:29.570 --> 02:20:34.400
for diverse technologies to be a part
02:20:34.400 --> 02:20:37.700
of this electrical islanding right.
02:20:37.700 --> 02:20:41.310
Also directs Edison to
be lead on the villains
02:20:41.310 --> 02:20:46.220
of DC metering because DC
metering direct current teetering
02:20:46.220 --> 02:20:50.337
versus a true to current
meeting, you can lower the cost,
02:20:53.890 --> 02:20:58.310
the internet connection process
costs and we knew that some
02:20:58.310 --> 02:21:00.110
of this work is already underway,
02:21:00.110 --> 02:21:01.640
for both residents, residential
02:21:01.640 --> 02:21:03.383
and small commercial customers.
02:21:04.580 --> 02:21:08.890
And overall the per
the approved statutes,
02:21:08.890 --> 02:21:13.890
there has to be a neutral
third-party contractor engaged
02:21:14.500 --> 02:21:17.600
through our division
energy division to review
02:21:17.600 --> 02:21:19.133
and evaluate the technician.
02:21:20.135 --> 02:21:21.830
Well, all of these changes
that we give the track one
02:21:21.830 --> 02:21:25.340
and now here at track two
to assure the competitiveness
02:21:25.340 --> 02:21:26.843
and rate para interests.
02:21:28.270 --> 02:21:32.250
Now for the backup
generation at substations,
02:21:32.250 --> 02:21:34.450
again, this is at substations,
02:21:34.450 --> 02:21:38.724
we had launched a
one-year program in 2020
02:21:38.724 --> 02:21:43.724
and here we would
adopt an interim approach
02:21:45.661 --> 02:21:47.300
because it's the interim,
because we were looking
02:21:47.300 --> 02:21:50.310
at that there are many efforts underway
02:21:50.310 --> 02:21:54.310
to reduce public safety,
power shut off the hardware
02:21:55.222 --> 02:21:58.160
of the grid as Jason managed,
hosted with things, right.
02:21:58.160 --> 02:22:03.160
But meanwhile was
included that for the...
02:22:05.810 --> 02:22:10.810
Well, in the 2020 season
to target and deploy
02:22:11.880 --> 02:22:16.420
and as much as possible
use hydrogenated vegetable oil
02:22:16.420 --> 02:22:20.900
which has a whole
different impact that diesel.
02:22:20.900 --> 02:22:23.660
So in this decision we would extend
02:22:23.660 --> 02:22:26.150
the temporary generation fleet for 2021
02:22:26.150 --> 02:22:30.840
for all three industrial utilities
and establish a framework
02:22:30.840 --> 02:22:35.840
to transition, to clean
temporary regeneration in 2022
02:22:35.980 --> 02:22:39.660
if the IOU's looking to need
temporary generation in 2022
02:22:39.660 --> 02:22:44.660
and beyond, there is a framework
which includes submitting
02:22:45.642 --> 02:22:49.750
the advice letters to
our energy division.
02:22:49.750 --> 02:22:53.410
This approach includes a requirement
02:22:53.410 --> 02:22:56.500
to have ongoing consultation
02:22:56.500 --> 02:22:59.410
with the local air quality
agencies, I sit on the letter
02:22:59.410 --> 02:23:04.273
to all the IOUs about that to
have it deployment complies
02:23:08.210 --> 02:23:10.080
with the apical irregulations again,
02:23:10.080 --> 02:23:13.323
towards minimizing emissions
and criteria pollutants.
02:23:14.710 --> 02:23:19.710
Also, if the IOUs are
going to anticipate meeting
02:23:22.020 --> 02:23:25.350
in this kind of backup
generation in 2022
02:23:26.280 --> 02:23:31.280
we are requiring that the
generators be 90% cleaner
02:23:35.020 --> 02:23:38.500
by 2022 than today.
02:23:38.500 --> 02:23:42.730
And also that there
are senior technologies
02:23:42.730 --> 02:23:47.580
as a tier two type of diesel
engine, which is for cleaner.
02:23:47.580 --> 02:23:50.823
So we had those
requirements also in this DV.
02:23:51.790 --> 02:23:55.820
And then finally the resiliency
and Michael working group,
02:23:55.820 --> 02:24:00.820
which is required by the
statute, there is a next phase.
02:24:01.460 --> 02:24:04.558
While we have checked
all the boxes to the statute,
02:24:04.558 --> 02:24:07.810
of course, there was more,
you know, more what to do
02:24:07.810 --> 02:24:12.810
to continue to refine and to
assure that we have provided
02:24:12.978 --> 02:24:15.090
for the commercialization.
02:24:15.090 --> 02:24:16.863
And so there will be a next phase,
02:24:17.700 --> 02:24:21.080
this is led by our energy
vision, working group is open
02:24:21.080 --> 02:24:23.860
to anyone who wants to participate.
02:24:23.860 --> 02:24:26.930
There was an initial kickoff
meeting back in October,
02:24:26.930 --> 02:24:31.910
many of the parties, many
stakeholders participated
02:24:31.910 --> 02:24:33.903
there are some subgroups.
02:24:35.190 --> 02:24:37.820
So the working group will help parties
02:24:37.820 --> 02:24:42.170
and staff identify concrete
after what proposals
02:24:42.170 --> 02:24:44.720
all towards contain to reduce barriers
02:24:44.720 --> 02:24:49.200
to criminals commercialization
they will cover topics
02:24:49.200 --> 02:24:52.000
such as valuing resiliency,
02:24:52.000 --> 02:24:55.750
multi-property microgrid
terrace continuing
02:24:55.750 --> 02:24:58.340
to look at the interconnection gaps
02:24:58.340 --> 02:25:02.550
and build on the customer facing tariff.
02:25:02.550 --> 02:25:05.150
So the staff have been
working on the schedule
02:25:05.150 --> 02:25:09.520
and flying its focus, my baggy
keen partner President Batjer
02:25:09.520 --> 02:25:11.820
is going to speak a little more to this.
02:25:11.820 --> 02:25:15.630
And so in closing through
the diligent work of our team
02:25:15.630 --> 02:25:17.170
diverse input from stakeholders
02:25:17.170 --> 02:25:21.312
we are taking another big
step in ensuring resiliency
02:25:21.312 --> 02:25:24.770
of the grid reducing barriers,
they've come a long way,
02:25:24.770 --> 02:25:26.740
but there's more, there's
a track three ahead
02:25:26.740 --> 02:25:31.740
had a successful vote
out of this decision.
02:25:33.020 --> 02:25:35.710
I'd like to close by thanking
the microbiota teams
02:25:35.710 --> 02:25:39.950
includes Administrative
Law Judge Colin Rizzo,
02:25:39.950 --> 02:25:42.080
energy vision program
and project advisor
02:25:42.080 --> 02:25:44.730
at Forest Kaeser utilities engineers,
02:25:44.730 --> 02:25:49.640
joist lined us Julian, Ennis
contraception and Daniel Tut
02:25:49.640 --> 02:25:53.970
and analysts Jessica teas,
and move in a racavich.
02:25:55.270 --> 02:25:58.320
Program manager, Molly
Circle, director Simon Baker,
02:25:58.320 --> 02:26:01.690
deputy executive director, Ed Randolph
02:26:01.690 --> 02:26:04.950
and our advisory
attorney, it was the, again,
02:26:04.950 --> 02:26:08.220
my benefit key partner,
President Batjer and her advisor,
02:26:08.220 --> 02:26:11.860
Josh Honeycutt, chief
of staff option over.
02:26:11.860 --> 02:26:15.610
And from my office, my
analyst, Christina Rivera,
02:26:15.610 --> 02:26:20.271
my advisor, Christina
Tan, and like chief of staff,
02:26:20.271 --> 02:26:23.553
(indistinct) with that I asked
for your, I vote, thank you.
02:26:26.125 --> 02:26:29.050
Thank you Commissioner
Shiroma, as your BK partner,
02:26:29.050 --> 02:26:34.050
I will speak to item 38 as
well, I will be voting in support
02:26:35.080 --> 02:26:38.090
of this proposed decision item 38,
02:26:38.090 --> 02:26:42.480
this decision as a chiming
nation of a whirlwind year
02:26:42.480 --> 02:26:45.770
which you spoke of earlier
Commissioner Shiroma
02:26:46.654 --> 02:26:48.800
or microgrids and the resiliency team.
02:26:48.800 --> 02:26:51.550
I just want to remind
people, you mentioned it,
02:26:51.550 --> 02:26:55.260
I wanna underscore, we
have two proposed decisions
02:26:55.260 --> 02:27:00.260
that have been produced in
just one year when often is,
02:27:00.650 --> 02:27:03.980
as the public really
knows and our parties know
02:27:03.980 --> 02:27:07.220
often it takes us 18 months,
this has been nothing short
02:27:07.220 --> 02:27:11.003
of a whole lot of hard
work done very quickly.
02:27:12.010 --> 02:27:16.530
And I really want to
offer my gratitude to them
02:27:16.530 --> 02:27:18.193
for their tireless efforts.
02:27:19.280 --> 02:27:22.537
So thanks very much to
you Commissioner Shiroma.
02:27:22.537 --> 02:27:25.710
And of course, to judge
Rizzo who was one
02:27:25.710 --> 02:27:30.710
of our hardest working
colleagues at the CPUC,
02:27:31.364 --> 02:27:33.040
I wanna thank him for his leadership
02:27:33.040 --> 02:27:37.763
and the energy division
teams, diligence and expertise.
02:27:38.900 --> 02:27:40.610
I would like to specifically
02:27:40.610 --> 02:27:45.010
thank Commissioner Shiroma's
chief of staff who I'm testify
02:27:45.010 --> 02:27:49.583
and of course, Ed Randolph
and the incredible microgrid
02:27:50.580 --> 02:27:54.130
and resilience team that I just
mentioned who worked report
02:27:54.130 --> 02:27:56.620
to Ed and that's Forest Kaeser,
02:27:56.620 --> 02:28:01.620
incredible team, incredible
group of our colleagues
02:28:01.730 --> 02:28:05.650
have been brought together
and work so diligently
02:28:05.650 --> 02:28:09.070
on microgrids and resiliency.
02:28:09.070 --> 02:28:12.900
This PD represents a
significant step forward
02:28:12.900 --> 02:28:15.950
in the commercialization of microgrids.
02:28:15.950 --> 02:28:19.250
In addition to the new microgrid tariffs
02:28:19.250 --> 02:28:21.200
and the micro good incentives program
02:28:21.200 --> 02:28:25.060
will provide resiliency boost
to vulnerable communities
02:28:25.060 --> 02:28:27.230
and will provide us
with critical insights
02:28:27.230 --> 02:28:29.600
in the coming years as we're well-drawn
02:28:29.600 --> 02:28:33.800
by Commissioner Shiroma,
these important investments
02:28:34.734 --> 02:28:38.290
there remains work
to do to further explore
02:28:38.290 --> 02:28:41.860
and understand the
benefits and the costs
02:28:41.860 --> 02:28:46.060
of the microgrids specifically
additional work is needed
02:28:46.060 --> 02:28:49.673
to consider what adjustments
to the microgrid tariff.
02:28:49.673 --> 02:28:52.410
Microgrids tariff may be needed
02:28:52.410 --> 02:28:56.170
to reflect any potential
value that technologies
02:28:56.170 --> 02:28:59.410
such as fuel cells
can provide regardless
02:28:59.410 --> 02:29:00.763
of their fuel source.
02:29:02.080 --> 02:29:05.220
In this vein, I have
requested in consultation
02:29:05.220 --> 02:29:07.100
with Commissioner Shiroma
02:29:07.100 --> 02:29:10.300
that the energy division
accelerate its work
02:29:10.300 --> 02:29:14.410
in the next track of this
proceeding to examine this issue
02:29:14.410 --> 02:29:18.030
and to ensure that any
value is adequately reflected
02:29:18.030 --> 02:29:20.220
under the microgrids tariff,
02:29:20.220 --> 02:29:24.720
at work will be done immediately,
will be done immediately.
02:29:24.720 --> 02:29:28.800
And I trust that the team
will approach this next track,
02:29:28.800 --> 02:29:31.720
track three, with the same urgency
02:29:31.720 --> 02:29:33.880
that they have approached
the two decisions
02:29:33.880 --> 02:29:36.523
they have supported this past year.
02:29:37.760 --> 02:29:40.860
In closing, I want to express
my thanks once again
02:29:40.860 --> 02:29:43.690
for the tremendous
effort and I look forward
02:29:43.690 --> 02:29:46.430
to ongoing exploration of this topic.
02:29:46.430 --> 02:29:49.990
This team has worked at
lightening pace as I've said
02:29:49.990 --> 02:29:52.350
and I know that they
will continue to do so
02:29:52.350 --> 02:29:55.470
with great expertise,
thank you very much,
02:29:55.470 --> 02:29:58.500
and I will turn now to my
other fellow Commissioners
02:29:58.500 --> 02:30:01.700
for any comments that they
would like to make or questions
02:30:01.700 --> 02:30:03.653
that they have on item 38.
02:30:07.180 --> 02:30:08.687
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:30:11.878 --> 02:30:13.700
Thank you, President Batjer,
02:30:13.700 --> 02:30:17.070
thank you Commissioner
Shiroma for all of the work on this,
02:30:17.070 --> 02:30:22.070
I know this TD is as we heard
from the public this morning
02:30:24.765 --> 02:30:26.615
as being pulled in so many directions
02:30:27.950 --> 02:30:32.950
to deal with the PSPS shut
off to meet the needs of folks
02:30:34.710 --> 02:30:38.130
who wanna expand this market
and commercialize microgrids
02:30:40.903 --> 02:30:44.510
to the community needs who
want to become more independent
02:30:44.510 --> 02:30:48.100
of the current IOUs that serve them.
02:30:48.100 --> 02:30:52.130
And so many other directions
that I know you're trying
02:30:52.130 --> 02:30:57.130
to respond to, you're in
one comprehensive PD.
02:30:59.890 --> 02:31:03.543
Personally I am very weary of the,
02:31:05.630 --> 02:31:08.943
let's say free market
commercialization of microgrids,
02:31:09.810 --> 02:31:13.560
and particularly if there's
any continued a rate payer
02:31:13.560 --> 02:31:18.560
across subsidy in many
ways if we leave it to be purely
02:31:20.394 --> 02:31:23.420
on the market, it will probably
have the similar outcome
02:31:23.420 --> 02:31:26.390
that the NEM tariff has today,
02:31:26.390 --> 02:31:30.800
which is it certainly benefits
the customers who have it
02:31:30.800 --> 02:31:33.883
and not so much those who do not.
02:31:34.980 --> 02:31:39.530
And so I appreciate the
caution that's taken in looking
02:31:39.530 --> 02:31:44.530
at how these rule changes
and potential tariff changes
02:31:45.640 --> 02:31:48.230
will impact the entire rate base
02:31:50.270 --> 02:31:55.270
and so I actually appreciate
the incentive program approach
02:31:57.240 --> 02:32:02.240
in order to guard from leaving
really the customers behind
02:32:04.280 --> 02:32:07.030
who probably need it the most certainly
02:32:07.030 --> 02:32:09.043
in this scenario, but PSPS events.
02:32:11.560 --> 02:32:16.560
So just so we all
heard today that it turns
02:32:16.830 --> 02:32:18.253
with the incentive program.
02:32:19.950 --> 02:32:23.380
I think some of those concerns
are merited in the sense
02:32:23.380 --> 02:32:27.650
that there is so much more knowledge
02:32:27.650 --> 02:32:31.520
on what communities need,
as was mentioned in terms
02:32:31.520 --> 02:32:36.520
of location of cooling centers
and food banks, many things
02:32:38.270 --> 02:32:40.290
that we have all of
them pushing the utility
02:32:40.290 --> 02:32:44.250
so identifying their PSPS
events for backup generation.
02:32:44.250 --> 02:32:48.160
So they're certainly not unknown to them
02:32:48.160 --> 02:32:53.160
but I certainly hope that
there is, I appreciate there
02:32:54.140 --> 02:32:58.800
is a next step, but I hope
it could be more robust
02:32:58.800 --> 02:33:02.100
and certainly call on
the CCA to really step up
02:33:02.100 --> 02:33:05.577
in their engagement
here as local governments
02:33:05.577 --> 02:33:09.523
who know what the communities
02:33:09.523 --> 02:33:12.320
that they deal with are facing.
02:33:12.320 --> 02:33:16.010
But I do wanna express
some weariness in that so many
02:33:16.010 --> 02:33:18.750
of these details are yet to be answered.
02:33:18.750 --> 02:33:22.440
And so I do hope to be more engaged
02:33:22.440 --> 02:33:26.190
in the implementation plan
that will be forthcoming to us.
02:33:26.190 --> 02:33:31.190
And just as a small note, I
know that the cost recovery
02:33:31.380 --> 02:33:34.610
has been slightly pushed
off and there's a note
02:33:34.610 --> 02:33:36.780
that the memo count will be tracked
02:33:36.780 --> 02:33:38.760
in the annual electric true-up.
02:33:38.760 --> 02:33:42.110
But I do believe in addition to that,
02:33:42.110 --> 02:33:46.570
we need to have a reasonable
review and that minimum,
02:33:46.570 --> 02:33:49.849
I would just offer this
the ERRA can still that,
02:33:49.849 --> 02:33:54.283
it's not a future GRC that
the ADT alone isn't sufficient.
02:33:55.689 --> 02:33:59.090
And again I hope those are
things that we can incorporate
02:33:59.090 --> 02:34:00.703
into the implementation plan.
02:34:02.410 --> 02:34:04.870
And then coming to the area
02:34:05.926 --> 02:34:10.380
which is both the most concerning
but has the most potential
02:34:10.380 --> 02:34:13.383
is the clean air and
energy at the substations.
02:34:15.068 --> 02:34:17.380
Of course, it's something
that we never really
02:34:17.380 --> 02:34:20.440
thought we would need
because we didn't appreciate
02:34:20.440 --> 02:34:25.440
these prevalence of PSPS'
is but for many other reasons,
02:34:26.150 --> 02:34:30.370
it may be something that PSPS is a side,
02:34:30.370 --> 02:34:33.050
localized, clean energy maybe something
02:34:33.050 --> 02:34:38.050
that we should be pursuing in any case
02:34:38.160 --> 02:34:42.817
and connected to substations
from my perspective
02:34:42.817 --> 02:34:46.363
is the most beneficial
to the most customers.
02:34:47.220 --> 02:34:51.130
Now, however, I think the
question of ownership as soon
02:34:52.715 --> 02:34:54.040
as the question of profit
off of that generation
02:34:55.792 --> 02:34:56.625
is a separate question,
but in terms of being able
02:34:56.625 --> 02:35:01.625
to capture the all the
customers so that no one set,
02:35:01.940 --> 02:35:05.650
you know, so we don't keep
Google on, but you know,
02:35:05.650 --> 02:35:07.790
affordable housing is shut off.
02:35:07.790 --> 02:35:10.373
That's the benefit of
generation at the substation.
02:35:11.922 --> 02:35:16.057
Now we haven't pushed
them very hard on that
02:35:16.905 --> 02:35:19.743
on the Queens generation
at the substation.
02:35:19.743 --> 02:35:23.580
And I certainly know that
there are physical limitations,
02:35:23.580 --> 02:35:27.000
geographic limitations to
having clean energy tomorrow
02:35:27.000 --> 02:35:32.000
at many of these substations,
but again, think that this
02:35:32.700 --> 02:35:36.750
is an area that the TCAs have a role
02:35:36.750 --> 02:35:40.780
to partner with the IOUs in
particular amongst many others
02:35:40.780 --> 02:35:45.780
to really see a development of just kind
02:35:46.020 --> 02:35:51.020
of facing the reality that
this is certainly being led
02:35:51.310 --> 02:35:54.980
by the IOUs and of course,
many of the limitations
02:35:54.980 --> 02:35:58.680
of connecting to the
substations are with the IOUs,
02:35:58.680 --> 02:36:02.460
but there's much more
here of an opportunity for us
02:36:02.460 --> 02:36:04.890
to figure out how we serve all customers
02:36:04.890 --> 02:36:07.480
that are currently served
by a substation that
02:36:07.480 --> 02:36:11.920
is the energized and
figuring out how to switch that
02:36:11.920 --> 02:36:15.340
to an entirely served
set and whether it's
02:36:15.340 --> 02:36:19.360
at the physical substation
which seems the most logical
02:36:19.360 --> 02:36:24.360
or elsewhere, but, well, we
can only get better from here,
02:36:24.950 --> 02:36:28.870
I suppose, and so with that I just say
02:36:28.870 --> 02:36:33.870
that I think I recognize the
many disparate directions
02:36:35.600 --> 02:36:39.980
that you're being pulled,
I think you've made a lot
02:36:39.980 --> 02:36:43.110
of progress in the
decisions and I really do hope
02:36:43.110 --> 02:36:48.110
that we can hone in on some
of what we've heard this morning
02:36:49.220 --> 02:36:54.050
but also my particular interest
in seeing greater progress
02:36:54.050 --> 02:36:56.793
in cleaner generation
being tied to substations.
02:36:57.760 --> 02:37:00.110
So thank you for letting
me share my thoughts
02:37:00.110 --> 02:37:05.110
as you move forward and
seeing these implementation plans
02:37:05.360 --> 02:37:08.673
and certainly in track
three, thank you very much.
02:37:11.960 --> 02:37:14.690
Thank you Commissioner
Guzman Aceves,
02:37:14.690 --> 02:37:17.242
yes, Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:37:17.242 --> 02:37:18.677
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:37:18.677 --> 02:37:22.140
I have a few selected
comments I'd like to offer
02:37:22.140 --> 02:37:26.540
in addition to whatever
everyone else has said so far.
02:37:26.540 --> 02:37:28.760
And I want to start out by saying
02:37:28.760 --> 02:37:31.110
how much I appreciate the leadership
02:37:31.110 --> 02:37:34.630
of Commissioner Shiroma, judge Rizzo
02:37:34.630 --> 02:37:36.403
and the microgrid team on this,
02:37:37.433 --> 02:37:38.266
it's really been extraordinary.
02:37:38.266 --> 02:37:41.140
And now I understand
you're supposed to act twice
02:37:41.140 --> 02:37:43.140
as fast and the next
six months a year or so,
02:37:43.140 --> 02:37:45.730
I don't know how that's gonna happen
02:37:45.730 --> 02:37:47.460
but I very much appreciate
that the assignment
02:37:47.460 --> 02:37:48.783
that you've just accepted.
02:37:50.140 --> 02:37:53.627
We know and the decision
emphasizes that microgrids
02:37:53.627 --> 02:37:56.620
are a Cuban resiliency strategy.
02:37:56.620 --> 02:37:58.470
But we've learned,
I've certainly learned,
02:37:58.470 --> 02:38:01.170
I think we've all learned
how much complexity there is
02:38:01.170 --> 02:38:04.527
in their deployment, what I
appreciate about this decision
02:38:04.527 --> 02:38:06.670
and the phase one decision beforehand
02:38:06.670 --> 02:38:10.480
is that we have been marching
systematically through trying
02:38:10.480 --> 02:38:15.480
to address these
challenges, and this decision
02:38:15.700 --> 02:38:17.110
to adopt a number of measures
02:38:17.110 --> 02:38:20.690
to streamline the regulatory
process and rules changes
02:38:20.690 --> 02:38:25.657
provide incentives to
promote microgrid installation
02:38:26.790 --> 02:38:30.170
and it addresses quite a
number of these barriers
02:38:30.170 --> 02:38:33.350
but clearly there are a lot
more that need to be addressed.
02:38:33.350 --> 02:38:35.962
The parties have raised,
and we've recognized
02:38:35.962 --> 02:38:39.300
that the decision sets up
a process for getting input
02:38:39.300 --> 02:38:43.150
and trying to work
through these barriers.
02:38:43.150 --> 02:38:45.920
I'm very supportive of
the incentive program
02:38:45.920 --> 02:38:48.710
for queen microgrids and in particular
02:38:48.710 --> 02:38:53.380
the very strong direction
that the decision provides
02:38:53.380 --> 02:38:56.110
for focusing on vulnerable communities.
02:38:56.110 --> 02:38:58.480
Commissioners Shiroma
mentioned that there will be
02:38:58.480 --> 02:39:03.340
a resiliency and equity
scoring methodology developed.
02:39:03.340 --> 02:39:06.410
My personal view, and I
don't know if this is in exactly
02:39:06.410 --> 02:39:08.305
in the decision, I don't think it is
02:39:08.305 --> 02:39:10.690
because that's still
needs to be developed
02:39:10.690 --> 02:39:12.980
but given the limited number of projects
02:39:12.980 --> 02:39:15.920
I think the scoring
criteria should ensure
02:39:15.920 --> 02:39:18.770
that all of the funds go
to applications for projects
02:39:18.770 --> 02:39:22.860
that benefit the most vulnerable
communities and projects
02:39:22.860 --> 02:39:26.440
that do not primarily benefit
these vulnerable communities
02:39:26.440 --> 02:39:30.800
should not receive funding
at all, that would be my hope.
02:39:30.800 --> 02:39:33.770
I think that is broadly
consistent with the framework
02:39:33.770 --> 02:39:35.903
you've set forth in the decision.
02:39:37.400 --> 02:39:40.190
I strongly support the
direction for the IOU
02:39:40.190 --> 02:39:44.570
to evaluate technological low cost fixes
02:39:44.570 --> 02:39:48.670
for isolating from the grid
and I encouraged the IOUs
02:39:48.670 --> 02:39:51.820
to move as quickly
as possible in this area,
02:39:51.820 --> 02:39:54.180
as Commissioners from the notes,
02:39:54.180 --> 02:39:57.970
this could substantially
reduce the cost of microgrids
02:39:57.970 --> 02:40:02.009
and the cost of installing
behind the veto backups storage
02:40:02.009 --> 02:40:07.009
for the PG&E, clean microgrids
program at substations
02:40:12.690 --> 02:40:15.560
that Commissioner was talking about.
02:40:15.560 --> 02:40:17.570
Again, my main comment here
02:40:17.570 --> 02:40:22.570
is that we wanna move forward
quickly and I encourage PG&E
02:40:24.130 --> 02:40:28.040
to move forward very, very
quickly with its solicitations
02:40:28.040 --> 02:40:32.210
for this program so that we
can get, we have ample time
02:40:32.210 --> 02:40:37.210
for clean generation to come
online in the next two years.
02:40:37.900 --> 02:40:39.630
Not so that we don't
have to wait three, four
02:40:39.630 --> 02:40:43.120
five years do it now through
the solicitation see what comes
02:40:43.120 --> 02:40:46.810
in so that we can have those projects up
02:40:46.810 --> 02:40:48.660
and running sooner rather than later.
02:40:49.590 --> 02:40:52.160
Finally, I wanna mention
one area where I think we have
02:40:52.160 --> 02:40:56.990
an opportunity to make
some changes moving forward.
02:40:56.990 --> 02:41:00.670
As part of our decision,
we authorize microgrids
02:41:00.670 --> 02:41:04.430
for Jason facilities
owned by the same agency
02:41:04.430 --> 02:41:07.910
as part of that, we limited the access
02:41:07.910 --> 02:41:11.080
that the adjacent facilities could have
02:41:11.080 --> 02:41:16.080
to the surplus capacity
to only grid outage events
02:41:16.590 --> 02:41:20.100
not during other times of the year.
02:41:20.100 --> 02:41:23.330
And I think I understand
that maybe reasons
02:41:23.330 --> 02:41:25.550
for starting out this way but I think
02:41:25.550 --> 02:41:30.390
if we continue this way, we
are foregoing both financial
02:41:30.390 --> 02:41:33.000
and grid benefits that could accrue.
02:41:33.000 --> 02:41:35.210
If the adjacent facilities are allowed
02:41:35.210 --> 02:41:38.783
to share electricity at other times.
02:41:39.720 --> 02:41:43.670
There may be low peak
load reduction benefits
02:41:43.670 --> 02:41:47.660
other grid benefits and
it may make microgrids
02:41:47.660 --> 02:41:50.517
much more financially
viable if we can offset some
02:41:50.517 --> 02:41:54.500
of the high costs of
installing excess capacity
02:41:54.500 --> 02:41:58.050
that's only deployed
during a grid outage event.
02:41:58.050 --> 02:42:01.760
So I'm hoping that that's
something that we can continue
02:42:01.760 --> 02:42:06.760
to look at as this is part of
the decision is developed.
02:42:08.200 --> 02:42:11.270
I know that we'll be
reevaluating this after
02:42:11.270 --> 02:42:14.428
a few pilot projects to
develop and I look forward
02:42:14.428 --> 02:42:16.220
to that reevaluation with that.
02:42:16.220 --> 02:42:19.290
I will be strongly supporting
the decision tonight.
02:42:19.290 --> 02:42:20.480
Thanks again, everyone
02:42:20.480 --> 02:42:23.493
for their extremely
hard work on this ruin.
02:42:25.225 --> 02:42:26.760
(computer chiming)
02:42:26.760 --> 02:42:28.590
Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
02:42:28.590 --> 02:42:32.300
Any other comments or
questions on item 38, seeing none,
02:42:32.300 --> 02:42:34.450
will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
02:42:36.554 --> 02:42:37.889
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:42:37.889 --> 02:42:38.722
Aye.
02:42:39.851 --> 02:42:41.490
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:42:41.490 --> 02:42:42.323
Hi.
02:42:43.392 --> 02:42:44.894
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:42:44.894 --> 02:42:46.794
Yes.
02:42:46.794 --> 02:42:48.810
President Batjer.
02:42:48.810 --> 02:42:53.810
Yes, the item 38 is passed
unanimously, thank you all.
02:42:54.480 --> 02:42:59.480
Moving now on to item 40,
that is assigned to me this order.
02:43:01.900 --> 02:43:04.340
This is an order extending
statutory deadline,
02:43:04.340 --> 02:43:09.150
it is for application 19 dash
zero seven dash zero two one
02:43:09.150 --> 02:43:11.360
Southern California, Edison 2017
02:43:11.360 --> 02:43:15.880
and 2018 catastrophic events
memo account proceeding.
02:43:15.880 --> 02:43:18.060
It's proceeding that
I recently inherited
02:43:18.060 --> 02:43:19.620
from Commissioner Randolph.
02:43:19.620 --> 02:43:22.020
In this application
Southern California Edison
02:43:22.020 --> 02:43:25.430
requests authorization
to recover costs recorded
02:43:25.430 --> 02:43:29.380
and its catastrophic event at
memorandum accounts associated
02:43:29.380 --> 02:43:31.923
with the following five
and catastrophic events.
02:43:32.810 --> 02:43:37.810
The 2017/18 throughout
the 2017 pure firestorm,
02:43:38.660 --> 02:43:42.483
the 2017 Canyon one
and Canyon two firestorms,
02:43:44.016 --> 02:43:48.130
the 2017 Thomas
firestorm, and the 2017 Creek
02:43:48.130 --> 02:43:51.520
and ride firestorms,
briefs and reply briefs
02:43:51.520 --> 02:43:53.570
were recently filed in December
02:43:53.570 --> 02:43:55.960
and administrative judge Garrett Toy
02:43:55.960 --> 02:43:59.610
is currently drafting
the proposed decision.
02:43:59.610 --> 02:44:03.130
An extension of the
statutory deadlines of July 29
02:44:03.130 --> 02:44:05.840
2021 is necessary to allow enough time
02:44:05.840 --> 02:44:09.470
to issue a proposed decision
for public review and comments
02:44:09.470 --> 02:44:12.240
and to allow the Commission enough time
02:44:12.240 --> 02:44:14.780
to deliberate an
issue, its final decision.
02:44:14.780 --> 02:44:15.993
I request your support.
02:44:17.210 --> 02:44:20.053
Okay, any comments or
questions on item number 40?
02:44:21.400 --> 02:44:24.850
Seeing none will the agenda
clerk, please call the roll.
02:44:24.850 --> 02:44:26.500
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:44:26.500 --> 02:44:27.910
Aye.
02:44:27.910 --> 02:44:29.875
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:44:29.875 --> 02:44:31.482
Aye.
02:44:31.482 --> 02:44:33.139
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:44:33.139 --> 02:44:34.213
Yes.
02:44:35.090 --> 02:44:37.100
President Batjer.
02:44:37.100 --> 02:44:39.870
Yes, item number 40th
passed unanimously.
02:44:39.870 --> 02:44:44.010
Thank you, moving to item
41, which is a real safety issue
02:44:44.010 --> 02:44:47.520
is proceeding as an application
of the Metro Gold Line
02:44:47.520 --> 02:44:50.410
Foothill Extension
Construction Authority
02:44:50.410 --> 02:44:53.130
for an ordering authorizing construction
02:44:53.130 --> 02:44:55.780
of one light rail track.
02:44:55.780 --> 02:44:58.750
The proposed decision would
extend the statutory deadline
02:44:58.750 --> 02:45:01.790
from February 3rd,
2021 to August 3rd, 2021
02:45:03.098 --> 02:45:04.210
for the proceeding.
02:45:04.210 --> 02:45:06.580
This proceeding was
unable to be completed
02:45:06.580 --> 02:45:08.920
under Commissioner Randolph's tenure.
02:45:08.920 --> 02:45:12.520
The six months extension
would allow me sufficient time
02:45:12.520 --> 02:45:14.350
to get up to speed on the proceeding
02:45:14.350 --> 02:45:16.450
and have the proposed
decisions finalized.
02:45:17.356 --> 02:45:21.480
But we do not anticipate
requiring until using the time
02:45:21.480 --> 02:45:25.700
required until August 3rd,
2021 for final disposition
02:45:25.700 --> 02:45:29.270
of this proceeding, the
additional time ensures
02:45:29.270 --> 02:45:31.270
that the Administrative Law Judge
02:45:31.270 --> 02:45:33.810
will be afforded the necessary time
02:45:33.810 --> 02:45:36.400
to prepare the proposed
decision and the Commissioner
02:45:36.400 --> 02:45:38.510
will have afforded
the time to deliberate
02:45:38.510 --> 02:45:40.610
and adopt a final decision.
02:45:40.610 --> 02:45:44.330
I'm hoping it will be done
before August 3rd, 2021.
02:45:44.330 --> 02:45:45.910
With that I asked for your support
02:45:45.910 --> 02:45:48.543
for this item extending
statutory deadlines.
02:45:50.960 --> 02:45:53.723
Are there any questions
or comments on item 41?
02:45:54.640 --> 02:45:57.390
If see none will the agenda
clerk please call the roll.
02:45:58.513 --> 02:45:59.630
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:45:59.630 --> 02:46:00.980
Aye.
02:46:00.980 --> 02:46:02.736
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:46:02.736 --> 02:46:03.569
Aye.
02:46:04.520 --> 02:46:06.310
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:46:06.310 --> 02:46:07.730
Yes.
02:46:07.730 --> 02:46:09.180
President Batjer
02:46:09.180 --> 02:46:12.150
Yes, item 41 has passed
unanimously moving on now
02:46:12.150 --> 02:46:15.323
to item 43, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen, that's your item.
02:46:16.950 --> 02:46:19.880
This order extends
the statutory deadline
02:46:19.880 --> 02:46:23.390
for the proceeding that is
overseeing PG&E development
02:46:23.390 --> 02:46:27.450
of a mobile app that we
ordered as part of our response
02:46:27.450 --> 02:46:32.450
to the fires investigation
involving PG&E.
02:46:32.680 --> 02:46:34.990
And that will allow field
inspectors and members
02:46:34.990 --> 02:46:39.150
of the public to identify
potential safety concerns
02:46:39.150 --> 02:46:44.010
with PG&E infrastructure
in high fire threat areas.
02:46:44.010 --> 02:46:46.950
We're sending the proceedings
for approximately three years.
02:46:46.950 --> 02:46:49.350
And the reason we were
doing that is we need
02:46:49.350 --> 02:46:52.620
to take into account the
time it will take for PG&E
02:46:52.620 --> 02:46:55.690
to both design and implement
the program and for them
02:46:55.690 --> 02:47:00.010
to evaluate the safety benefits
and costs of the program.
02:47:00.010 --> 02:47:02.460
I asked for your support
of this extension order.
02:47:04.300 --> 02:47:05.752
Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen,
02:47:05.752 --> 02:47:08.150
are there any questions or comments?
02:47:08.150 --> 02:47:10.873
Seeing none will the agenda
clerk, please call the roll.
02:47:11.750 --> 02:47:13.450
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:47:13.450 --> 02:47:14.950
Aye.
02:47:14.950 --> 02:47:16.894
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:47:16.894 --> 02:47:17.727
Aye.
02:47:19.310 --> 02:47:21.538
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:47:21.538 --> 02:47:23.314
Yes.
02:47:23.314 --> 02:47:25.320
President Batjer.
02:47:25.320 --> 02:47:30.303
Yes, item 43 is passed
unanimously moving now to item 44.
02:47:31.520 --> 02:47:33.380
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:47:33.380 --> 02:47:34.580
Thank you, President Batjer,
02:47:34.580 --> 02:47:37.069
This is order extending does mine
02:47:37.069 --> 02:47:38.830
for our consumer complaints.
02:47:38.830 --> 02:47:43.440
It's on a service upgrade,
a billing dispute with PG&E
02:47:43.440 --> 02:47:48.027
in loss also that arose
from the resolution
02:47:48.027 --> 02:47:50.090
of the previous complaint.
02:47:50.090 --> 02:47:55.090
And there was a PHT
held in October of last year
02:47:56.620 --> 02:47:58.670
and the parties did express interest
02:47:58.670 --> 02:48:02.010
in the alternative dispute
resolution process.
02:48:02.010 --> 02:48:04.920
So we would like to give
them some time to see
02:48:04.920 --> 02:48:08.920
if that yields a good
result, so I will be asking
02:48:08.920 --> 02:48:11.920
to extend this timeline is proceeding
02:48:11.920 --> 02:48:15.393
until August of this year, thank you.
02:48:21.381 --> 02:48:24.020
Okay, are there any
questions or comments.
02:48:24.020 --> 02:48:25.320
Seeing none will be the agenda clerk,
02:48:25.320 --> 02:48:27.053
please call the roll on item 44.
02:48:28.639 --> 02:48:30.505
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:48:30.505 --> 02:48:31.712
Aye.
02:48:31.712 --> 02:48:33.303
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:48:33.303 --> 02:48:34.136
Aye.
02:48:35.306 --> 02:48:36.710
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:48:36.710 --> 02:48:38.060
Yes.
02:48:38.060 --> 02:48:39.620
President Batjer.
02:48:39.620 --> 02:48:42.090
Yes, item 44 has
passed unanimously.
02:48:42.090 --> 02:48:46.142
Thank you all removed
now from the regular agenda
02:48:46.142 --> 02:48:49.700
to our management reports,
02:48:49.700 --> 02:48:52.920
we are going to first bring up item 45,
02:48:52.920 --> 02:48:55.790
which is report and discussion
on recent consumer protection
02:48:55.790 --> 02:48:59.350
and safety activities
management reports.
02:48:59.350 --> 02:49:02.650
We have Nika Gingerly forum,
02:49:02.650 --> 02:49:05.980
the safety enforcement
decision division with us
02:49:05.980 --> 02:49:07.980
to make a presentation,
the electric safety
02:49:07.980 --> 02:49:11.620
and reliability branches investigation
02:49:11.620 --> 02:49:16.620
into the August power outages
and we have Lee Palmer
02:49:16.910 --> 02:49:18.990
director of safety enforcement division
02:49:18.990 --> 02:49:22.110
who will take this off
and then turn it over
02:49:22.110 --> 02:49:26.553
to Nika Gingerly, Lee,
I believe you're with us.
02:49:27.770 --> 02:49:28.603
Yes, thank you.
02:49:28.603 --> 02:49:31.430
Thank you President Batjer,
can you hear me okay?
02:49:31.430 --> 02:49:33.210
Yes we can.
02:49:33.210 --> 02:49:34.670
Excellent, thank you.
02:49:34.670 --> 02:49:36.370
Good afternoon, President
Batjer, Commissioners,
02:49:36.370 --> 02:49:37.950
and executive director Peterson.
02:49:37.950 --> 02:49:40.130
I thank you again for the
invitation and the opportunity
02:49:40.130 --> 02:49:41.800
to speak with you today with regards
02:49:41.800 --> 02:49:45.150
to the August, 2020
outage investigations.
02:49:45.150 --> 02:49:47.420
Following on President
and widespread seeds storm
02:49:47.420 --> 02:49:48.950
which forced electrode demand,
02:49:48.950 --> 02:49:50.880
I took seed available resources,
02:49:50.880 --> 02:49:54.050
the electric state team
reliability branch within the safety
02:49:54.050 --> 02:49:56.660
and enforcement division
conducted a thorough investigation.
02:49:56.660 --> 02:49:59.140
And why would GO one 67?
02:49:59.140 --> 02:50:02.960
The investigation involved
issuing a bad request
02:50:02.960 --> 02:50:07.960
to over 130 generating asset
owners in person inspections
02:50:08.000 --> 02:50:11.680
to select owners and in
some cases tabletop exercises
02:50:11.680 --> 02:50:14.150
to validate information provided.
02:50:14.150 --> 02:50:16.450
At this time I will now
hand over the presentation
02:50:16.450 --> 02:50:20.380
to Nico is the program
manager for the electric safety
02:50:20.380 --> 02:50:22.080
and reliability branch and took lead
02:50:22.080 --> 02:50:23.460
in developing this report,
02:50:23.460 --> 02:50:24.963
so Nika the floor's yours.
02:50:27.937 --> 02:50:30.320
Thank you, can
everyone hear me?
02:50:30.320 --> 02:50:32.240
Yes, I can hear you fine.
02:50:32.240 --> 02:50:35.800
Okay, great, I don't know where,
02:50:35.800 --> 02:50:38.800
the only thing I can't see is,
I can't see the presentation.
02:50:39.990 --> 02:50:41.710
That's not good.
Oh there.
02:50:41.710 --> 02:50:46.710
Okay, I see it now and
I'm not sure why my video
02:50:47.050 --> 02:50:50.830
is not working, that's only...
02:50:50.830 --> 02:50:53.040
Anyway I'll go ahead and get started,
02:50:53.040 --> 02:50:54.400
I'm sorry that you can't see me,
02:50:54.400 --> 02:50:56.230
if somebody says something in the chat
02:50:56.230 --> 02:51:00.120
I can try and get that, but
thank you Commissioner Batjer
02:51:00.120 --> 02:51:02.060
and President Batjer and Commissioners
02:51:02.060 --> 02:51:05.754
and executive director
Peterson for taking the time
02:51:05.754 --> 02:51:09.955
to for us to go over this
presentation with you
02:51:09.955 --> 02:51:11.900
and kind of highlight
some of the response
02:51:11.900 --> 02:51:14.710
that the electric safety
and reliability branch did
02:51:16.060 --> 02:51:19.360
regarding the August,
2020 outage investigation.
02:51:19.360 --> 02:51:23.910
If you could move to the
next slide, here we go.
02:51:23.910 --> 02:51:26.433
Thank you, one second, start my video.
02:51:28.290 --> 02:51:29.610
Okay, there we go.
02:51:29.610 --> 02:51:33.990
Okay, so a little bit of
background in mid August of 2020
02:51:33.990 --> 02:51:36.650
as you all are aware,
we had an experience
02:51:36.650 --> 02:51:38.237
of unprecedented and
widespread heat storm that forced
02:51:38.237 --> 02:51:43.237
or electrical demand to
exceed our available resources.
02:51:43.400 --> 02:51:46.590
This resulted of course, in
these stage three power alerts
02:51:46.590 --> 02:51:48.870
and culminated as a rolling blackouts
02:51:48.870 --> 02:51:53.450
and across the CAISO
control areas specifically
02:51:53.450 --> 02:51:55.689
on August 14th and 15th.
02:51:55.689 --> 02:51:58.690
And that resulted in a loss
of more than 2,700 directs
02:51:58.690 --> 02:52:00.480
had electric generating facility.
02:52:00.480 --> 02:52:05.069
So we were focused ESRB
and looking at generating when
02:52:05.069 --> 02:52:08.180
we were investigating
the outages that occurred
02:52:08.180 --> 02:52:10.680
on August 14th and 15th.
02:52:10.680 --> 02:52:14.990
In response to this situation
ESRB initiated investigation,
02:52:14.990 --> 02:52:18.510
we wanted to look at that
tactical causes of these outages
02:52:18.510 --> 02:52:20.627
at these generating facilities.
02:52:20.627 --> 02:52:23.330
So that was kind of
the purpose of our study
02:52:23.330 --> 02:52:25.343
and of our investigation.
02:52:27.023 --> 02:52:29.333
If you can move to
the next slide, please.
02:52:31.060 --> 02:52:36.060
So what ESRB did in response
was we issued data requests
02:52:36.527 --> 02:52:39.637
do the 130 generating
asset owners or GOs,
02:52:40.753 --> 02:52:42.980
well electric GOs that are in California
02:52:42.980 --> 02:52:45.170
within CAISOS control area,
02:52:45.170 --> 02:52:47.832
we requested a response we've looked at,
02:52:47.832 --> 02:52:50.250
we've pressed the
response for any outage
02:52:50.250 --> 02:52:53.950
that was two hours or
longer in duration and resulted
02:52:53.950 --> 02:52:56.400
in 50 megawatts or greater in race.
02:52:56.400 --> 02:53:00.620
And we looked at a two week
period instead of just focusing
02:53:00.620 --> 02:53:03.580
on the 14th of the 15th,
the reason we wanted to look
02:53:03.580 --> 02:53:08.550
at an expanded period
of time isn't as we'll see
02:53:08.550 --> 02:53:11.290
a little bit later, there
were some outages,
02:53:11.290 --> 02:53:13.370
there were some issues that
happened a little bit before
02:53:13.370 --> 02:53:15.650
that it kind of culminated
up to what happened
02:53:15.650 --> 02:53:18.040
on the 14th and 15th and
there were also some plants
02:53:18.040 --> 02:53:20.640
that experienced problems
that were prolonged
02:53:20.640 --> 02:53:22.960
and extend beyond the 15th.
02:53:22.960 --> 02:53:27.010
And that kind of
contributed to the problems
02:53:27.010 --> 02:53:29.333
that we experienced
over that time period.
02:53:30.500 --> 02:53:33.830
And it kind of exacerbated
the issues that we saw
02:53:33.830 --> 02:53:36.323
around surrounding
the weather conditions.
02:53:37.420 --> 02:53:40.120
From the responses that
we've received from the GOs,
02:53:40.120 --> 02:53:42.730
we noticed that 23 plants responded
02:53:42.730 --> 02:53:45.416
that they experienced
outages for outages
02:53:45.416 --> 02:53:49.020
that met our criteria
and we also calculated
02:53:49.020 --> 02:53:52.570
as the total number of electric
generating outages resulted
02:53:52.570 --> 02:53:55.120
in a combined loss
over that two week period
02:53:55.120 --> 02:53:59.233
of over 8,300 megawatts,
next slide please.
02:54:01.450 --> 02:54:04.870
So this is just a
snapshot as we mentioned
02:54:04.870 --> 02:54:07.620
of the electric generating facilities
02:54:07.620 --> 02:54:10.560
that meant the defined criteria
that experienced outages
02:54:10.560 --> 02:54:14.120
and that we followed up
with an investigation into.
02:54:14.120 --> 02:54:17.390
As you can see from the slide,
02:54:17.390 --> 02:54:22.390
we conducted six in-person
inspections at various plants
02:54:22.919 --> 02:54:24.510
throughout Northern
and Southern California.
02:54:24.510 --> 02:54:27.680
We conducted four tabletop exercises
02:54:27.680 --> 02:54:31.160
and then we issued two
additional data requests to plant.
02:54:31.160 --> 02:54:33.270
So in addition to that
initial data requests,
02:54:33.270 --> 02:54:36.870
followup data requests
to two of the facilities
02:54:36.870 --> 02:54:38.170
that met those guidelines.
02:54:39.205 --> 02:54:42.140
For us a tabletop
exercise or the definition
02:54:42.140 --> 02:54:46.210
of a tabletop exercise is one
that can include everything
02:54:46.210 --> 02:54:48.860
but an actual site
visit to the facility,
02:54:48.860 --> 02:54:53.130
so in many instances for the
particular tabletop exercises
02:54:53.130 --> 02:54:56.071
we've requested additional
photos, we've requested,
02:54:56.071 --> 02:54:59.813
you know, backlogs and historic
records on certain equipment
02:54:59.813 --> 02:55:03.840
in from the plant that really
gave us a holistic picture
02:55:03.840 --> 02:55:08.180
of what had happened
there and was just as good,
02:55:08.180 --> 02:55:10.464
but not quite as, you
know, clearly we weren't able
02:55:10.464 --> 02:55:14.170
to make it to these facilities
but we were still able
02:55:14.170 --> 02:55:16.820
to conduct a thorough
and get destination
02:55:16.820 --> 02:55:20.543
by doing the tabletop
exercise, next slide please.
02:55:25.240 --> 02:55:26.293
Okay, thank you.
02:55:27.480 --> 02:55:31.030
So this is important to
note, the slide is really critical
02:55:31.030 --> 02:55:33.140
to assessing ESRB's ability
02:55:33.140 --> 02:55:38.140
to regulate these generating facilities,
02:55:38.410 --> 02:55:40.993
and also to understand our limitations
02:55:40.993 --> 02:55:43.363
in regulating these
generating facilities.
02:55:44.628 --> 02:55:49.211
GO 167 this is what guides
our building, our assessment
02:55:52.030 --> 02:55:54.347
of generating facilities
throughout California.
02:55:54.347 --> 02:55:56.900
And we use it to implement
and enforce the standards
02:55:56.900 --> 02:55:59.740
that focus on safety,
operational practices
02:55:59.740 --> 02:56:02.940
and preventative
maintenance to ensure reliability
02:56:02.940 --> 02:56:06.083
at the facilities and
availability of generating.
02:56:07.980 --> 02:56:12.100
While we enforce GO 167,
we do lack the citation authority
02:56:12.100 --> 02:56:15.713
to find GOs for violations of
non-compliance with this GO,
02:56:17.250 --> 02:56:20.080
we can issue NOV or
issue of corrective action,
02:56:20.080 --> 02:56:22.240
but we do not have the ability
02:56:22.240 --> 02:56:25.130
to actually penalize them financially
02:56:25.130 --> 02:56:27.537
for any violation of GO 167.
02:56:29.820 --> 02:56:32.140
The most we could do
at this point right now
02:56:32.140 --> 02:56:37.060
is to recommend a formal
investigation for non-compliance.
02:56:37.060 --> 02:56:40.550
So ESRB is currently
exploring options available
02:56:40.550 --> 02:56:42.850
that would enable us
to have citation authority
02:56:42.850 --> 02:56:45.720
for GO 167 when we are auditing
02:56:45.720 --> 02:56:47.963
and inspecting generating facility.
02:56:50.200 --> 02:56:51.750
Move to the next slide, please.
02:56:54.435 --> 02:56:56.670
So for the 12
investigations that we did do
02:56:56.670 --> 02:56:58.870
at these generating
facilities as a followup
02:56:59.737 --> 02:57:02.910
to the outages in August,
we did and this slide actually
02:57:02.910 --> 02:57:05.740
it's one page outdated, we did issue
02:57:05.740 --> 02:57:07.090
and take corrective action.
02:57:08.077 --> 02:57:09.290
Again, this says the sites three
02:57:09.290 --> 02:57:11.630
but it's actually four facilities.
02:57:11.630 --> 02:57:15.500
So center energy center,
sunrise energy center
02:57:15.500 --> 02:57:18.030
mountain view generating
station and then the fourth one
02:57:18.030 --> 02:57:20.653
that I'd like to add is the
Oakland Power Station.
02:57:21.740 --> 02:57:24.860
If she says you can see
from this it was a combination
02:57:24.860 --> 02:57:28.950
of notices of violations in
NOV and corrective actions
02:57:28.950 --> 02:57:30.323
against these facilities.
02:57:31.690 --> 02:57:36.160
For the Oakland Power
Station we will plan,
02:57:36.160 --> 02:57:39.090
or we will be issuing an
NOV to that facility as well
02:57:40.250 --> 02:57:41.550
for various violations.
02:57:41.550 --> 02:57:44.140
And I didn't write down
the actual violations here
02:57:44.140 --> 02:57:46.023
but I did include that backup slides.
02:57:47.500 --> 02:57:48.563
Next slide, please.
02:57:53.300 --> 02:57:55.170
So these are our action items based
02:57:55.170 --> 02:57:57.210
on our investigations are action items
02:57:57.210 --> 02:57:59.330
and recommendations for moving forward.
02:57:59.330 --> 02:58:02.053
Especially as we go into summer 2021,
02:58:02.900 --> 02:58:05.880
we're gonna continue as part
of our statutory requirements
02:58:05.880 --> 02:58:09.460
to continue to monitor
electric generating outages,
02:58:09.460 --> 02:58:13.080
we mostly do this through
the power plant outage reports.
02:58:13.080 --> 02:58:16.162
These are called the PPRS
that we receive on a daily basis
02:58:16.162 --> 02:58:20.220
and be flagged any
forced or planned outages
02:58:20.220 --> 02:58:22.720
with similar criteria to
the ones that we use
02:58:23.671 --> 02:58:26.640
in our data requests that went out
02:58:26.640 --> 02:58:28.180
to all generating facilities.
02:58:28.180 --> 02:58:30.590
So we've look at outages
that occur at these plants
02:58:30.590 --> 02:58:33.090
that are 50 megawatts of greater
02:58:33.090 --> 02:58:37.653
and our durations of 24
hours in those in the PPORs
02:58:39.091 --> 02:58:41.540
are longer, but what we
plan to do is just flag those
02:58:41.540 --> 02:58:46.310
and, you know follow up as
necessary that could be, you know
02:58:46.310 --> 02:58:48.900
requesting an onsite inspection,
02:58:48.900 --> 02:58:51.330
conducting some sort
of asking or requesting
02:58:51.330 --> 02:58:55.217
for a tabletop exercise,
but that's a big step,
02:58:55.217 --> 02:58:57.760
and getting ahead of the
curve is just to continue
02:58:57.760 --> 02:59:01.300
to monitor generating
facility via these reports
02:59:01.300 --> 02:59:04.760
and then also through
our annual preemptive,
02:59:04.760 --> 02:59:06.773
the audits that we regularly schedule.
02:59:08.320 --> 02:59:11.430
Start early preparation
for summer of 2021,
02:59:11.430 --> 02:59:14.060
this is also critical, we
don't wanna find ourselves
02:59:14.060 --> 02:59:16.890
where we were this year in June or July,
02:59:16.890 --> 02:59:19.010
we wanna get ahead of the curve again.
02:59:19.010 --> 02:59:21.780
And so our plan is to
issue a data request
02:59:21.780 --> 02:59:24.950
to these electric generators
before the summer months
02:59:24.950 --> 02:59:27.510
and instruct them to
submit de-rating outages
02:59:27.510 --> 02:59:30.890
for the summer months to us
that meet our defined criteria
02:59:30.890 --> 02:59:34.010
that is the two hours or
longer, 50 megawatts or greater
02:59:34.010 --> 02:59:38.490
in D right and submit that
to us so we can get a preview
02:59:38.490 --> 02:59:40.851
of what we will be expecting
02:59:40.851 --> 02:59:43.453
and some take actions beforehand.
02:59:45.110 --> 02:59:46.980
The last bullet I have is to strengthen
02:59:46.980 --> 02:59:48.620
our inter-agency coordination,
02:59:48.620 --> 02:59:50.710
that's between the CAISO and the GOs
02:59:50.710 --> 02:59:53.300
as well as you know Pete scrawling gave
02:59:53.300 --> 02:59:55.090
a wonderful presentation this morning
02:59:55.090 --> 02:59:58.010
and we are currently
working with energy division
02:59:58.010 --> 03:00:01.190
in our own capacity to
strengthen our exchange
03:00:01.190 --> 03:00:04.270
of information and also
to better prepare again
03:00:04.270 --> 03:00:07.270
for the summer through
sharing of information
03:00:07.270 --> 03:00:08.700
and kind of working together
03:00:10.078 --> 03:00:11.728
to tackle these problems head on.
03:00:13.900 --> 03:00:17.370
I think the next slide is,
it's probably just the backup,
03:00:17.370 --> 03:00:19.540
these are some backups
I can walk through them
03:00:19.540 --> 03:00:21.873
or briefly did, just next slide, please.
03:00:22.930 --> 03:00:26.160
This has kind of shows
some of the outage information
03:00:26.160 --> 03:00:28.310
that we've provided
as you can kind of see
03:00:28.310 --> 03:00:30.750
or maybe not from this,
but there was a variety
03:00:30.750 --> 03:00:35.121
of technical problems that
we found at these facilities
03:00:35.121 --> 03:00:38.503
that we visited anything
from like boiler tube leaks
03:00:38.503 --> 03:00:40.480
to gasket leak a few of the plants
03:00:40.480 --> 03:00:42.990
that went offline
experienced turbine trip.
03:00:42.990 --> 03:00:46.400
And then there were also
just some management they've,
03:00:46.400 --> 03:00:49.910
you know what we've we
found what we signed them for us
03:00:49.910 --> 03:00:52.010
like incorrect calls on how to manage
03:00:52.010 --> 03:00:54.333
their procedures
leading up to the outage.
03:00:55.220 --> 03:00:57.790
So those are things that
we decided to form as correct
03:00:57.790 --> 03:01:01.163
and things that they need
to correct going forward.
03:01:03.140 --> 03:01:06.223
And then next slide,
and then the next slide.
03:01:08.150 --> 03:01:12.240
So this just kind of lays
out the actual GO violations,
03:01:12.240 --> 03:01:13.073
do you know, 167 violations
03:01:13.073 --> 03:01:14.690
that were found at each of these.
03:01:17.340 --> 03:01:19.880
That concludes my
presentation, I would be happy
03:01:19.880 --> 03:01:22.593
to answer any questions that anyone has.
03:01:23.770 --> 03:01:27.590
Thank you Nika, this
is a very, very important,
03:01:27.590 --> 03:01:30.620
very timely of course,
I have a quick question
03:01:30.620 --> 03:01:35.620
and that is going to be
requesting the information
03:01:36.930 --> 03:01:40.100
from the generators
because I'm really concerned
03:01:40.100 --> 03:01:45.100
that by June they've got to
have any kind of maintenance
03:01:45.730 --> 03:01:50.730
or D rate that they needed to
be done under well under hand
03:01:51.210 --> 03:01:53.790
because we're obviously
extremely concerned
03:01:53.790 --> 03:01:58.790
of losing any Watts
in the summer of 2021.
03:01:59.130 --> 03:02:03.000
Those particularly of course,
July, August, and September.
03:02:03.000 --> 03:02:05.863
And I would dare say
into early October as well.
03:02:07.170 --> 03:02:10.979
Yeah, that's a great
question President Batjer.
03:02:10.979 --> 03:02:14.073
First of all, for some of
the plants that experienced
03:02:14.073 --> 03:02:17.880
that we did do onsite
inspections of this
03:02:17.880 --> 03:02:21.990
for last last year related to
the August 2020 outages,
03:02:21.990 --> 03:02:25.140
we actually have this teed
up to do our rate as part
03:02:25.140 --> 03:02:26.900
of our regular audit schedule.
03:02:26.900 --> 03:02:29.010
So we're following up
with some of those and then
03:02:29.010 --> 03:02:32.530
for the others for all of
the generating facilities,
03:02:32.530 --> 03:02:37.150
the 130 that I listed, we
are ready to send that out
03:02:37.150 --> 03:02:40.120
we'll probably do some minor
tweaks with the data requests
03:02:40.120 --> 03:02:41.870
that we're planning to send,
but we could send that out
03:02:41.870 --> 03:02:43.670
as release spring, and it gives them
03:02:43.670 --> 03:02:46.690
about a month turnaround
around time or so to get that.
03:02:46.690 --> 03:02:48.780
But clearly wouldn't
want to do that well
03:02:48.780 --> 03:02:50.033
before the summer months,
03:02:51.130 --> 03:02:54.090
so get responses probably in early May
03:02:54.090 --> 03:02:58.330
and for data that would be
provided on June, July, August
03:02:58.330 --> 03:03:00.273
and then September as well.
03:03:07.960 --> 03:03:10.477
You're on mute
President Batjer.
03:03:11.783 --> 03:03:13.460
I don't know what's
wrong with me today.
03:03:13.460 --> 03:03:18.140
Nika, I would say is, I really
appreciate your comments
03:03:18.140 --> 03:03:21.993
about coordinating
more closely with CAISO.
03:03:24.615 --> 03:03:28.698
And I'm concerned or
wondering if the information
03:03:30.510 --> 03:03:33.370
that you so well briefed us on just now,
03:03:33.370 --> 03:03:37.253
is that then shared with the
appropriate people at CAISO?
03:03:38.150 --> 03:03:38.983
Are they aware?
03:03:41.260 --> 03:03:45.063
We haven't yet, one
of the things that kind of,
03:03:46.850 --> 03:03:48.610
I guess, one of the
issues that we encountered
03:03:48.610 --> 03:03:51.310
that we're now currently
working on was getting access
03:03:51.310 --> 03:03:54.700
to some of high CAISOs
databases like the OMS,
03:03:54.700 --> 03:03:56.750
the operation maintenance
schedule database,
03:03:56.750 --> 03:03:59.770
which what we kind of
eventually were able to use
03:04:00.610 --> 03:04:02.570
to provide us with
information on the plants
03:04:02.570 --> 03:04:03.880
and the outages that experienced
03:04:03.880 --> 03:04:06.010
but we had some
issues getting into that.
03:04:06.010 --> 03:04:08.823
So we're currently working
on that and once we get the,
03:04:09.970 --> 03:04:12.040
once we, I guess get
lack of a better word,
03:04:12.040 --> 03:04:14.066
like a sorority to access it
03:04:14.066 --> 03:04:18.690
and kind of rekindle our ties
with CAISO we would be happy
03:04:18.690 --> 03:04:21.137
to share that information with them,
03:04:22.026 --> 03:04:23.650
our information with them.
03:04:23.650 --> 03:04:27.130
Thanks, Nika and you and
Lee, please keep me well-informed
03:04:27.130 --> 03:04:29.750
about that coordination
effort and the share
03:04:29.750 --> 03:04:32.550
'cause it's really critical to me.
03:04:32.550 --> 03:04:34.550
So thank you, appreciate that.
03:04:34.550 --> 03:04:37.770
Any other questions from the committee?
03:04:40.263 --> 03:04:41.346
Mrs. Shiroma?
03:04:42.286 --> 03:04:43.200
Yes, thank you, two comments.
03:04:43.200 --> 03:04:48.200
Well, first to Lee, I know
Lee that you are active
03:04:49.210 --> 03:04:50.690
with the National Guard
03:04:50.690 --> 03:04:55.420
and as the events unfolded
last week, and this week
03:04:55.420 --> 03:05:00.420
in our Capitol, I thought
of you and your colleagues.
03:05:02.540 --> 03:05:06.420
We see the images of many
of your colleagues sleeping
03:05:06.420 --> 03:05:09.180
in the hallways of the Capitol
03:05:09.180 --> 03:05:12.770
as they are ending their shift.
03:05:12.770 --> 03:05:15.570
And then the next shift to goes on
03:05:15.570 --> 03:05:18.710
and they are going through a rotation
03:05:19.930 --> 03:05:24.160
especially like the photos
through your colleagues
03:05:24.160 --> 03:05:27.080
at those apart on statue.
03:05:27.080 --> 03:05:32.080
Anyways, I know that
many of us are really thinking
03:05:32.467 --> 03:05:35.640
about you and your
colleagues, just top of mind.
03:05:35.640 --> 03:05:39.060
I think it was immense
things of appreciation
03:05:39.060 --> 03:05:41.900
for this smooth transition,
03:05:41.900 --> 03:05:43.850
as it's supposed to be in our democracy,
03:05:43.850 --> 03:05:45.323
so thank you so much.
03:05:46.200 --> 03:05:51.130
My second home is to
Nika and I mentioned this
03:05:51.130 --> 03:05:55.970
it's your slide five do
with general order 167
03:05:55.970 --> 03:05:59.290
does not provide for citation authority
03:05:59.290 --> 03:06:02.740
and Commissioner Guzman
Aceves mentioned this
03:06:05.410 --> 03:06:08.580
in the presentation from
Pete on the root cause
03:06:09.620 --> 03:06:13.950
about penalty authority
when have you here?
03:06:13.950 --> 03:06:18.090
I mean, I know that
there's the barrier of what is
03:06:18.090 --> 03:06:21.910
within the CPUC
authority and jurisdiction
03:06:21.910 --> 03:06:24.720
and we have a level of
authority and to of course
03:06:24.720 --> 03:06:29.720
for the IOUs on the resource
adequacy for LLCs, sorry
03:06:31.030 --> 03:06:33.743
folks viewing audience
while the acronyms, sorry.
03:06:34.790 --> 03:06:39.790
But here I think if there is
something that can be done
03:06:40.860 --> 03:06:44.830
it may require legislation,
but it just seems to me
03:06:44.830 --> 03:06:49.830
that there needs to be
teeth in what you all do.
03:06:49.940 --> 03:06:53.570
So it's really a comment
on my part in that
03:06:53.570 --> 03:06:58.570
if we're the Commissioners
to follow up on what options
03:06:58.690 --> 03:07:00.553
are there here for us?
03:07:02.346 --> 03:07:04.020
It was a simple revision to deal with it
03:07:04.020 --> 03:07:06.810
or do we, cause he's
on the line on statutes
03:07:06.810 --> 03:07:09.010
or is there something
else you've got to do?
03:07:10.570 --> 03:07:13.466
I think it's important, so thank you.
03:07:13.466 --> 03:07:16.800
Is that a question
or just a statement?
03:07:16.800 --> 03:07:17.900
This is a statement.
03:07:18.763 --> 03:07:22.596
Okay, thank you,
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
03:07:25.190 --> 03:07:27.210
Well, just to
follow up on, on that
03:07:27.210 --> 03:07:29.850
I agree with you Commissioner Shiroma
03:07:29.850 --> 03:07:32.160
I don't think we need a statute,
03:07:32.160 --> 03:07:35.650
I think we need a decision
authorizing citation program
03:07:35.650 --> 03:07:39.850
and I had already talked to
be unique about doing that
03:07:42.307 --> 03:07:45.080
and they're working on hard about that
03:07:45.080 --> 03:07:46.880
because they want that tool
03:07:46.880 --> 03:07:49.490
in their enforcement toolbox as well.
03:07:49.490 --> 03:07:53.220
I think it's very consistent
with enforcement policy.
03:07:53.220 --> 03:07:55.570
We just approved last year and something
03:07:55.570 --> 03:07:57.820
that would be very
helpful for their efforts.
03:08:00.630 --> 03:08:05.550
We agree that would
make our jobs a little bit easier
03:08:05.550 --> 03:08:07.753
and more impactful, so, yep.
03:08:10.690 --> 03:08:13.030
President Batjer that's
all I was gonna add
03:08:13.030 --> 03:08:18.030
and reiterate to think Nika
for presentation and reiterate
03:08:19.880 --> 03:08:22.553
that I think it's important
for us to attend it,
03:08:25.025 --> 03:08:26.400
to get even if it's an
interim citation program
03:08:26.400 --> 03:08:29.780
in place for the summer would be ideal.
03:08:29.780 --> 03:08:32.700
So I hope that that is
something we can incorporate
03:08:32.700 --> 03:08:33.733
into the work plan.
03:08:35.940 --> 03:08:38.760
I would think we need
to look at that very closely.
03:08:38.760 --> 03:08:40.103
Yes, okay.
03:08:41.690 --> 03:08:44.283
Anything else for Nika or Lee?
03:08:45.500 --> 03:08:49.240
Okay, thank you so much,
very helpful presentation
03:08:49.240 --> 03:08:51.090
And thank you very much.
03:08:51.090 --> 03:08:54.100
Thank you, Nika.
Thank you.
03:08:57.172 --> 03:09:01.853
Okay, we're now moving
on to Commissioner reports.
03:09:03.630 --> 03:09:07.083
So bear with me, I
know it's late in the day,
03:09:08.010 --> 03:09:11.085
bear with all of us,
it's late in the day.
03:09:11.085 --> 03:09:12.785
So let me get underway right away.
03:09:14.650 --> 03:09:17.290
I have a few staffing
updates to provide today.
03:09:17.290 --> 03:09:22.290
First I want to share is this
will be my energy advisor,
03:09:23.810 --> 03:09:25.320
Josh Honeycutt whose name
03:09:25.320 --> 03:09:27.340
has been mentioned many times today.
03:09:27.340 --> 03:09:30.170
This is his last Commission
meeting with our office.
03:09:30.170 --> 03:09:33.210
Josh has a great opportunity to return
03:09:33.210 --> 03:09:35.650
to the energy division,
to work on a subject
03:09:35.650 --> 03:09:39.560
that he is passionate
about, and that will be critical
03:09:39.560 --> 03:09:42.220
to the state's greenhouse
gas emissions volts.
03:09:42.220 --> 03:09:45.250
And that is transportation
electrification.
03:09:45.250 --> 03:09:48.790
I wanna thank Josh for
his service he is a pleasure
03:09:48.790 --> 03:09:52.010
to work with and I will dearly miss him.
03:09:52.010 --> 03:09:55.970
And I'm very happy that
we will all continue to benefit
03:09:55.970 --> 03:09:58.110
from his talents in the energy division,
03:09:58.110 --> 03:10:00.843
so where was she in Josh?
03:10:00.843 --> 03:10:01.676
The best, thank you, thank you.
03:10:03.050 --> 03:10:05.610
On a related note, I'm very
pleased to announce that Ana
03:10:05.610 --> 03:10:10.410
and the Russo is joining
our office as an interim legal
03:10:10.410 --> 03:10:15.160
and energy advisor on an
joined the Commission in 2014,
03:10:15.160 --> 03:10:17.950
and most recently served as an advisor
03:10:17.950 --> 03:10:19.570
to Commissioner Randolph.
03:10:19.570 --> 03:10:22.930
In that role, he focused
on federal energy litigation,
03:10:22.930 --> 03:10:25.390
administrative law and state policy
03:10:25.390 --> 03:10:27.977
involving energy procurement and markets
03:10:27.977 --> 03:10:32.240
and energy infrastructure,
safety and reliability,
03:10:32.240 --> 03:10:35.630
on an also previously
served as a staff counsel
03:10:35.630 --> 03:10:39.370
at the Commission representing
the advocacy division
03:10:39.370 --> 03:10:42.760
in energy, water and safety litigation,
03:10:42.760 --> 03:10:44.830
and served as an energy analyst
03:10:44.830 --> 03:10:47.170
in the utilities enforcement branch
03:10:47.170 --> 03:10:49.470
and the office of rate payer advocates.
03:10:49.470 --> 03:10:51.560
Before joining the Commissioner
who works in an attorney
03:10:51.560 --> 03:10:54.640
and as a law clerk and
holds a bachelor's degree
03:10:54.640 --> 03:10:57.760
in economics from
Carnegie Mellon University
03:10:57.760 --> 03:11:00.880
and a JD from Santa Clara University
03:11:00.880 --> 03:11:05.290
on an is a Bay Area native
and currently resides in Oakland.
03:11:05.290 --> 03:11:08.980
And so pleased to have
the benefits on depth
03:11:08.980 --> 03:11:11.650
and breadth of background
here at the Commission.
03:11:11.650 --> 03:11:14.040
And I'm looking forward
to having him on our team.
03:11:14.040 --> 03:11:15.193
So welcome on it.
03:11:16.770 --> 03:11:19.080
Last staffing announcement
I'd like to make
03:11:19.080 --> 03:11:23.090
is not related to my office
but someone who has played
03:11:23.090 --> 03:11:25.860
an incredibly important
role here at the Commission
03:11:25.860 --> 03:11:29.370
and someone who I will
sincerely miss working with
03:11:29.370 --> 03:11:32.620
on a daily basis, I would
like to take this time
03:11:32.620 --> 03:11:36.310
to publicly announced
that our fantastic director
03:11:36.310 --> 03:11:40.490
of governmental affairs
Hazel Miranda has moved on
03:11:40.490 --> 03:11:45.110
and started in her new role
as deputy legislative secretary
03:11:45.110 --> 03:11:46.750
to Governor Newsome.
03:11:46.750 --> 03:11:49.910
For the last five years,
Hazel built strong relationships
03:11:49.910 --> 03:11:53.530
between the legislature
and the CPU for ability
03:11:53.530 --> 03:11:57.125
to translate complicated CPUC speak
03:11:57.125 --> 03:11:59.680
and our mission and priorities
03:11:59.680 --> 03:12:02.220
to the legislature is unmatched.
03:12:02.220 --> 03:12:05.770
She is a well-respected
colleague, a master of her craft
03:12:05.770 --> 03:12:09.170
and always able to make a room smile.
03:12:09.170 --> 03:12:13.850
Also her poop has saw that it wrong,
03:12:13.850 --> 03:12:17.660
Making skills are unmatched
as we all witnessed
03:12:17.660 --> 03:12:22.660
during our Hispanic
month recognition month
03:12:25.760 --> 03:12:27.960
she should go on TV.
03:12:27.960 --> 03:12:31.244
I tell ya, Hazel will be greatly missed
03:12:31.244 --> 03:12:34.800
but we are fortunate
in that she will continue
03:12:34.800 --> 03:12:36.180
to work closely with us
03:12:36.180 --> 03:12:39.160
on energy telecommunications utilities
03:12:39.160 --> 03:12:42.240
and environmental matters,
for intimate knowledge
03:12:42.240 --> 03:12:45.860
of the CPUC will
greatly benefit California
03:12:45.860 --> 03:12:48.680
and we are also very proud of her.
03:12:48.680 --> 03:12:51.970
With her departure
Grant Mack will be serving
03:12:51.970 --> 03:12:55.910
as acting director of the
office of governmental affairs.
03:12:55.910 --> 03:12:57.150
Grant currently serves
03:12:57.150 --> 03:12:59.480
as the senior legislative consultant
03:12:59.480 --> 03:13:03.640
for electricity and gas
policy matters at the CPUC
03:13:03.640 --> 03:13:05.850
and prior to joining the CPUC
03:13:05.850 --> 03:13:08.840
he served as an energy policy advisor
03:13:08.840 --> 03:13:13.840
and then she policy advisor
to chair Robert B. Weisenmiller
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of the California Energy Commission.
03:13:16.790 --> 03:13:20.600
We have been doubly blessed
to have both Hazel and Grant
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in leadership roles at the OGA.
03:13:23.640 --> 03:13:27.100
And I'm very happy to
have Grant in the acting role.
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It is going to be in a very
busy legislative session.
03:13:31.040 --> 03:13:32.720
So we're fortunate.
03:13:32.720 --> 03:13:36.150
Finally, I want to briefly
highlight an upcoming event
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and encourage the public
to attend and participate.
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On Wednesday, every third
and Thursday, February 4th
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the Commission will
be hosting a workshop
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about its environmental
and social justice action plan.
03:13:49.830 --> 03:13:54.830
This CSJ action plan serves
as a roadmap for the CPUC
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to further equity and
inclusion of environmental
03:13:58.330 --> 03:14:03.330
and social justice populations
in policy and programs.
03:14:04.800 --> 03:14:08.280
This workshop we'll consider
some interactive discussions
03:14:08.280 --> 03:14:12.120
to brainstorm opportunities
and potential action items
03:14:12.120 --> 03:14:16.240
or update to the ESG
action plan a full agenda
03:14:16.240 --> 03:14:18.870
and webinar information
will be available
03:14:18.870 --> 03:14:21.600
on the CPUCUs website next week.
03:14:21.600 --> 03:14:24.430
Again, the workshop is
for every third and fourth
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we hope to see virtually
all of you that finishes
03:14:31.220 --> 03:14:33.697
or methods in my lengthy
Commissioned report.
03:14:33.697 --> 03:14:36.494
I will now turn to my
fellow Commissioners who
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would like to go next?
03:14:39.500 --> 03:14:44.430
If we have any reports, I
guess Commissioner Shiroma,
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that's up for hand, so there you go.
03:14:47.960 --> 03:14:48.793
Thank you.
03:14:49.730 --> 03:14:51.719
Okay. Thank you, President Batjer.
03:14:51.719 --> 03:14:53.713
I have two quick items to report on.
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We have a clean energy
financing workshop coming up
03:15:00.140 --> 03:15:01.543
on January 28th and 29th.
03:15:03.460 --> 03:15:04.293
We'll be hosting
03:15:04.293 --> 03:15:07.332
our first clean energy
financing workshop explore
03:15:07.332 --> 03:15:12.332
why didn't you get options
to assist in those electricity
03:15:13.040 --> 03:15:17.530
and natural gas customers
with investments in clean energy.
03:15:17.530 --> 03:15:21.080
We opened up this OIR
back in August and it is
03:15:21.080 --> 03:15:25.600
to investigate financing
offices to support microgrids
03:15:25.600 --> 03:15:29.860
and deficiency, demand
response, building decarbonization,
03:15:29.860 --> 03:15:32.870
distributed solar and other
self-generation technology
03:15:34.200 --> 03:15:38.150
and alternative fuels both
electric and gas vehicles
03:15:39.330 --> 03:15:44.170
and related infrastructure
located on customer sites.
03:15:44.170 --> 03:15:47.390
These of course will be very
important, are very important
03:15:47.390 --> 03:15:51.173
as we continue to pursue
our ambitious climate goals.
03:15:52.160 --> 03:15:55.430
It will involve all sectors,
residential, commercial,
03:15:55.430 --> 03:15:58.560
industrial agriculture, living in urban,
03:15:58.560 --> 03:16:00.789
rural disadvantaged communities,
03:16:00.789 --> 03:16:02.920
low to moderate income
customers and renters,
03:16:02.920 --> 03:16:05.910
so our online workshop will
feature a very diverse panel
03:16:05.910 --> 03:16:09.500
of experts from banks, credit
unions, community development
03:16:09.500 --> 03:16:13.200
financial institutions,
non-profit organizations
03:16:13.200 --> 03:16:17.328
energy lenders, state
agencies, and utilities.
03:16:17.328 --> 03:16:20.580
And we will hear about lessons learned
03:16:20.580 --> 03:16:23.330
from successful clean
energy financing programs
03:16:23.330 --> 03:16:25.850
not only in California,
but across the US,
03:16:25.850 --> 03:16:27.230
we'll talk about the priorities
03:16:27.230 --> 03:16:31.610
and objectives for this
clean energy financing OER
03:16:31.610 --> 03:16:33.860
and the guiding principles
that we should use
03:16:33.860 --> 03:16:37.430
on energy financing,
so it starts at 9:00 am.
03:16:37.430 --> 03:16:41.169
It's a day and a half,
everyone is invited.
03:16:41.169 --> 03:16:46.110
The information is posted
on our CPUC website
03:16:46.110 --> 03:16:48.480
on the Commission's daily calendar,
03:16:48.480 --> 03:16:52.450
we expect participation
from the treasurer's office,
03:16:52.450 --> 03:16:57.450
from the areas, we've
got the church's office,
03:16:58.540 --> 03:17:02.040
we've got go biz sloughed
and in many owners
03:17:02.040 --> 03:17:04.850
who are participating in this workshop.
03:17:04.850 --> 03:17:09.410
So I wanna thank the
energy vision, Peter Francaise,
03:17:09.410 --> 03:17:14.183
Kevin Flies, the Rory
Cox, you Patel, how Kane,
03:17:14.183 --> 03:17:17.960
Jen Caliphate administrative
lodges is really pitch
03:17:17.960 --> 03:17:21.460
into our own system and from
my office advisor, Sharon wins
03:17:21.460 --> 03:17:24.130
and I'm a chief of staff
for pine workshops.
03:17:24.130 --> 03:17:27.550
So all are welcome, it's
January 28th and 29th.
03:17:27.550 --> 03:17:31.070
And then the Commission is going
03:17:31.070 --> 03:17:34.393
to conduct an a rates on long.
03:17:35.280 --> 03:17:38.400
It will be an all day
energy rates and costs
03:17:38.400 --> 03:17:41.127
on bog attended by a prison Batjer
03:17:41.127 --> 03:17:46.010
and all of us Commissioners
it's on February 24th.
03:17:46.010 --> 03:17:49.300
The purpose is to
host a critical dialogue
03:17:49.300 --> 03:17:52.940
on the energy cost and rates
outlook for the next 10 years
03:17:52.940 --> 03:17:56.000
and how that may impact our climate
03:17:56.000 --> 03:17:57.870
and electrification goals
03:17:57.870 --> 03:18:00.160
while maintaining affordable service,
03:18:00.160 --> 03:18:03.560
a CPUC author white paper on electric
03:18:03.560 --> 03:18:05.770
and gas cost and rate
trends that was a lot
03:18:07.343 --> 03:18:08.920
of the next two years, it is
scheduled to be released
03:18:10.623 --> 03:18:12.451
in early February,
our ongoing discussion
03:18:12.451 --> 03:18:13.320
will center around this paper
03:18:13.320 --> 03:18:17.050
and we anticipate attendees
will include academics,
03:18:17.050 --> 03:18:20.230
researchers, utilities,
consumer advocates, with slate
03:18:20.230 --> 03:18:22.930
of staff and other energy stakeholders
03:18:22.930 --> 03:18:26.690
to discuss this very important topic.
03:18:26.690 --> 03:18:30.530
So again, it will be on February 24th.
03:18:30.530 --> 03:18:32.730
Look for the white paper
03:18:32.730 --> 03:18:36.980
and the event details
will be forthcoming
03:18:36.980 --> 03:18:40.920
on the service list and also
on our calendar website.
03:18:40.920 --> 03:18:42.300
Thank you.
03:18:42.300 --> 03:18:43.600
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma,
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are there any other
Commissioner reports?
03:18:47.500 --> 03:18:51.320
Okay, seeing none that will end,
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that will conclude the public meeting
03:18:54.170 --> 03:18:55.633
and we are now adjourned.