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<v Operator>California
Public Utilities Commission,</v>

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this is the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board meeting

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scheduled for this day,

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Wednesday, December 9th, 2020.

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Marcie Edwards, will
convene the meeting shortly.

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If you wish to start,

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if you wish to speak
during the public comment,

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please press *1,

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unmute your phone and record
your name and organization

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clearly when prompted.

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You will be placed into
a queue in that order

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that you have identified yourself.

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When it comes to time for you to speak

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I will announce your name
and you open your line.

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You will have one and
a half minutes to speak.

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To withdraw your
request, please press *2.

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<v Katherine>Thank you, operator.</v>

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Welcome to the final
virtual public meeting of 2020

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for the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board.

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We're going to go spend
the next few minutes

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going over the technology
to be used during this meeting

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so that we can all start today's meeting

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with the same understanding.

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A summary of the interaction method

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can be found on today's agenda

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which can also be found

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on the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board's website,

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at cpuc.ca.gov/wsab.

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This meeting will be live broadcast

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at the normal CPUC
live broadcast location.

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Adminmonitor, one
word, .com/ca/cpuc.

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To interact with the
board during this meeting,

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we have a phone number
and an operator on standby

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to cue the line.

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The call in number is
listed on the meeting agenda

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which can be found on the website.

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The phone number is +1 800-857-1917

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and the passcode is 17 67 567.

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When you join the call,

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you will be in listen only mode.

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If you would like to participate
during public comment

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press *1 on the phone,

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and you'll be added to
the public comment queue,

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and called upon during
the meeting by the chair

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with the assistance of the operator.

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We'll have two public comment periods,

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one in the beginning and one at the end.

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We will also receive public comment

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at the Wildfire Safety Advisory
Board on email address.

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And that email address

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is
wildfiresafetyadvisoryboard@cpuc.ca.gov,

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comments received here will be read

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into the record,

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if they can be read in
under three minutes.

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All comments received will be posted

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to the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board website

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after the meeting.

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In addition, the CPUC
public advisor is on standby

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if you have additional
technical problems.

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Please do not hesitate to reach out

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to the public advisor
either by email or phone.

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So email is public.adviser@cpuc.ca.gov,

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and the phone is (866)849-8390.

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And I will pass it off to Marcie.

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Thank you very much.

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<v ->All right.
Thank you, Katherine.</v>

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Very much.

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I'd like to call this
meeting to order today

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is December 9th.

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This is the sixth meeting

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of the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board.

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The final board meeting of 2020.

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And stated my name's Marcie Edwards

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and I'll chair the meeting.

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Like to begin by Thanking
my fellow board members

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for being with us today.

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It's always exciting to do
the virtual board meetings

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as opposed to in-person.

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And I really appreciate
all of your extended efforts

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in making sure that you've got on

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and within three
minutes of our start time.

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So I do appreciate that.

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I also like to Thank, Robert Joe,

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our professionals for
all of your assistants.

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Alright.

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I'd like to turn the meeting
over to Katherine Stockton

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to lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

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If Jamie, if you can mute everyone else

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so that we don't have
what we had last time

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which is really interesting rendition.

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We'll be quiet and do it peacefully.

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Thank you.

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<v Katherine>Can we get to the
flag slide, Robert and Phil?</v>

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(indistinct mumbling)

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Oh no.

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Not that, stanza.

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Okay.
Here I go.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands

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one nation under God,

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indivisible, with Liberty
and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Now I'll turn the meeting
over to Jamie Ormond

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for a safety moment.

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And next slide as well, please.

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<v ->Jamie, we can't hear you.</v>

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<v ->Of course.</v>

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Thank you.

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This is usually the time in the meeting

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when we go over the safety exits

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and locations of the bathrooms.

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Instead, let's please
take a moment to look

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around our current locations

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and consider our safety options.

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We have been doing our best

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to make these virtual board meetings

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as accessible as possible.

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So all of the information
about this meeting

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can be found on the Wildfire
Safety Advisory Board website,

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cpuc.ca.gov/wsab.

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Links to all the documents

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we'll be discussing
today can be found there.

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And these documents include the minutes

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from the September 23rd meeting,

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the agenda for today,

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the guidance advisory opinion

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and the slide deck that is
running during this meeting.

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Thank you for taking
this brief phone with me

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please stay safe out there.

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I'd like to turn the meeting
back to Chair Edwards.

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<v ->Thank you, Jamie.</v>

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Let's quickly go over
the meeting agenda.

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In short order we're going to begin

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today's meeting with public comment.

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After public comment,

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we will be discussing
and adopting the minutes

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from the September 23rd board meeting.

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Following that we have presentations

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from Cal OES Wildfire
Safety Division and CAL FIRE.

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After these presentations,

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we'll take a short stretch break.

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After the break, we'll
continue to discussion

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with Municipal and
Cooperative Utilities Associations

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about the 2021 publicly owned

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Utility Wildfire Mitigation Plan filing.

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Following that we
will discuss the board's

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guidance advisory
opinion on those plans.

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And if appropriate the
board may vote today on that.

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After that, we will open the phone line

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for final round of public comment,

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and then hopefully we
will be to adjournment

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at the appropriate time.

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Very quickly I wanna see if
any of the board members

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have any opening statements

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they'd like to make before we begin.

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That's an no, no, no.

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All right.

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Yeah we're gonna open
up the telephone lines

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move into our first
opportunity for public comment.

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Starting with public comment.

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As stated if you'd like to participate

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in today's public comments,

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phone number is +1 800-857-1917,

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passcode 17 67 567.

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Please press *1 on your
phone to get in a queue.

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Operator is this line open?

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<v Operator>Yes, ma'am
the line is open.</v>

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<v Marcie>Thank you.</v>

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Then let's get started.

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First let's check the Wildfire
Safety Advisory Board email.

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Katherine, do we have
any email communications?

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<v Operator>One moment.</v>

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<v Katherine>Yes, Thanks.</v>

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We have one email from Susan Friend.

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Thank you for your time.

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Please stop doing the PSPS.

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Shutting off power does
not decrease our chances

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of losing our homes by wildfire.

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When the power is off,
you endanger us more.

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One, we have no power for
our water, wells and pumps

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and therefore no water pressure.

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Without water pressure
we cannot fight fire.

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Two, we have no electricity
to keep the lights on,

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so firefighters can see
our homes and structures.

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Lighting is critical in a fire

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as the smoke hides structures.

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Three, we have no internet or phone

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as the carriers on the same
grid and they do not work.

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Four, we cannot call 911
as we have no phone service.

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Five, we cannot stay
informed about fires

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and or evacuations.

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Six, you are stopping school.

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We need internet to
have students go to school.

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Children are missing more
school now because of PSPS

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than they ever did when
they physically went to school.

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Seven, we stay at home
with stay at home orders

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and people working remotely,

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you impede our opportunity
to work and earn an income.

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Thank you, Susan.

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And Marcie, I can follow up
with Susan and see what utility

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she's with and see if we
can help her in any way.

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<v Marcie>You could
provide her the information</v>

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on the determining group on
Public Safety Power Shutoff.

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That'd be useful.

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I'm sure for her.

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Sure.
<v Katherine>Yeah.</v>

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<v Marcie>Okay. Okay.</v>

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Do you have any more?

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<v Katherine>Nope.</v>

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I just one member of Acton Town Council,

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I'll send them an
email back to get online.

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<v Marcie>All right.</v>

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I'd like to check with
our phone operator.

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Do we have any public
comments on the phone line?

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<v Operator>No, ma'am.</v>

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I am showing no comments at this time.

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<v Marcie>All right.</v>

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Once again, there will
be another opportunity

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for public comment near
the end of the meeting.

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I'd like to Thank you for the comments

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we have received and close
the public comment period.

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<v Operator>Excuse me, Ma'am.</v>

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<v Marcie>Yes.</v>

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<v Operator>We did have two
people queue up for comments.</v>

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<v ->All right.</v>

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And I am going to rescind
the closure of public comments

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because it is very critical
that we do hear from the public.

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And we're going to fall back

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and go ahead and
initiate the queue operator.

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<v Operator>Thank you all.</v>

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Do apologize.

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<v ->No problem.</v>

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<v Operator>Our first comment
comes from Marlene Raider.</v>

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Your line is open.

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<v Marlene>Good afternoon.</v>

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Thank you.

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I am a neighbor of Susan Friend.

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Our company is
Southern California Edison.

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And she's addressed a lot of the issues.

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However, I would like
to also address the fact

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of these notifications and
the lack of communication

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that goes out when they shut us down

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or when they're gonna start them up.

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Where also some of us in this community

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do large animal evacuations,

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and without the use of or the ability

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to have our cell phones

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in Texas capability and internet,

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we are unable to assist in evacuations

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or get help from the
surrounding areas for evacuations.

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And that's all I have to say for now.

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Thank you.

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<v ->Thank you, Ma'am.</v>

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Operator you said you
had another one in queue.

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<v Operator>Yes, ma'am.</v>

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I have two more.

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The next comes from Bill Slocum.

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Your line is open.

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<v ->Thank you.</v>

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<v Bill>Hello.</v>

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I am Bill Slocum.

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I'm the President of the Kagel
Canyon Civic Association.

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I too am neighbors with
Marlene Raider and Susan Friend.

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I just wanted to chime in and share.

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Our community when power goes down,

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internet service goes down,

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communications are stopped.

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Two years ago or three years ago,

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we had a fire in our area.

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My home literally was surrounded 360

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by fire.

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And the only reason I'm here today

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is I had water coming from my well,

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I stood there with,

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for four and a half
hours with a garden hose,

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just watering down embers, not flames.

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I couldn't stop flames,

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but the Fire Department
could not come in.

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And these shut off by
Southern California Edison

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are deadly to people.

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We had 16 homes lost in our area

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and the prevention of
saving homes by saying,

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you've shut off power and
you're gonna save homes,

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you don't.

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You put them in more danger.

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Sorry for my emotions.

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It just brought back a
memory that is very dramatic.

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I want people to understand

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that I believe they're not
doing this out of the benefit

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of the people,

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that I think that they're
doing it out of the benefit

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of the shareholders who
have stOck in their company

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and they are afraid of lawsuits.

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If they enhance their equipment

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and their lines are put underground

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or whatever they can do technologically

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to enhance their system

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we would all be better off.

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We need our services
and we need your help

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in making sure that these
services are provided to us

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since the State of California
decided to deregulate

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and allow these things to go public.

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Thank you.

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<v ->Thank you, Mr.Slocum.</v>

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Operator, do you have another in queue?

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<v Operator>Yes, Ma'am.</v>

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Next we have Eva Andrew.

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Your line is open.
<v Eva>Hi.</v>

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Yeah.

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Can you hear me okay?

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Hello?

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<v ->Yes, I can hear you.</v>

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<v Eva>Okay.</v>

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Yes.

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I've lived in the Canyon
for over 40 years.

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I'm 73 years old.

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In 2002, my house
burned down to the ground

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(indistinct)

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<v Spadie>Either
shutting off the power</v>

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or potentially endangering
us and either way,

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there's a burden that
comes along with it.

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There are many many people right now

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that are getting generators.

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It's still a difficult task,

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especially in rural communities

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to access battery backup
systems for solar panels.

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And I know that a lot of those funds

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from what I'm being told
from energy consultants

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that I've been having conversations with

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who are connected with RCRC,

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that a lot of the money
that the government

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had set aside for battery backup,

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went to secondary homes
in more affluent areas

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rather than the areas where
wildfires actually happen.

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This is unfortunate.

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Because generators
can be a dangerous thing.

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If people are not actually going

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through the right
process to connect them

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or don't know how to handle them.

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And generators are
not meant to be running

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for 48 hours straight

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or longer sometimes
depending on what the PSPS is.

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I know here in Lake County,

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our sewer system or most
had a very bad situation

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where our pumps almost
lost their generators.

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And that would have
been a very bad situation

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to happen to us.

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Luckily, that's not the case.

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We were able to save that.

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On the other side,

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we have the cleanest
air almost in the entire US

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right here in Lake County.

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And now it sounds like
a helicopter during PSPS

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and you can start to see and smell

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the fumes from generators as well.

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And so we're asking people to go

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against what even
the State of California

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is pushing forward which is cleaner air

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and watching our carbon footprint.

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And in fact, we're doing
the complete opposite

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especially during those times the PSPS.

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Water pumps.

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Water pumps is a
huge issue in rural areas.

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Power going down in a more suburban area

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is a vastly different situation

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than in a rural area

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where we need a water pump
to be able to have water flow

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through our households.

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This is actually the case in my house.

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I have zero water when we have a PSPS

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and when a PSPS lasts
as long as four or five days

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as it did last year,

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luckily that's not happening this year.

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That becomes a very difficult task,

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and water is an essential human rights.

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And I think that we need to be aware.

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And PG&amp;E and I speak of PG&amp;E

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since that's the company I deal with

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but the electric company

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should be aware of
where water pumps are.

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And at this moment in time,

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it is not factored in
their PSPS decisions.

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Community resource centers.

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Right now, we just had a PSPS.

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Luckily we escape this one

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but just occurring over the weekend.

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It is cold.

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And without electricity,

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we are asking people
to remain in a household

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that is very cold.

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It's below 30 at night here.

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And community resource
centers are only open

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typically from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM

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or sometimes different
hours but never overnight.

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And so what are we doing to ensure

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that in these circumstances,

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in these extreme temperatures,

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that we're actually providing
some level of comfort

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during these times where the
decision was made to cut off

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the ability to stay warm.

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Not everybody has a chimney

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and not able able to warm up

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through other means than just a heater.

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The economy of our rural
areas and impact from COVID-19.

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I wish that we could
have made a decision

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that due to COVID-19

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we're just not gonna go
through PSPS this year.

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Yes it might be a risk,

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but it just seems that
we are only making

00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.690
our economic environment
that much less predictable

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and that much more unstable.

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And I worry about that especially
when we're low economies

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are already on a fine line.

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And so that makes it
that much more difficult.

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And here's the difficult part for me

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is undergrounding the
wires is the best way

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to go to help save some of our
community growth boundaries

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and forest management
is the key to reduce them

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and mitigate the
potential for wildfires.

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The process to make those
things happen are way too long.

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I'm working right now with
Euro Land Management

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and CAL FIRE to do a
controlled burn in an area

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just East of the City of Clearlake.

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They have been working
on their NEPA application

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for the past five years.

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It can't take that long.

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We have to reduce the timeframe

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that it takes to be able to
get these things approved.

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The money, yes, the
money needs to be there,

00:21:53.540 --> 00:21:54.770
but the process,

00:21:54.770 --> 00:21:57.690
the bureaucratic process
we have to go through

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needs to be removed and
minimize as much as possible.

00:22:01.760 --> 00:22:04.290
That is what is holding us
back more than anything else.

00:22:04.290 --> 00:22:07.010
Again, Thank you very much
for the time to make my comment.

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I appreciate it.

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<v ->Thank you, Mr. Spadie.</v>

00:22:11.530 --> 00:22:14.331
Operator, do we have
anyone else in queue.

00:22:14.331 --> 00:22:15.164
<v Operator>No, ma'am.</v>

00:22:15.164 --> 00:22:17.414
I'm showing no further
comments at this time.

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<v ->Thank you, I appreciate that.</v>

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I'm gonna use the
prerogative of the chair

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and take a step backward in
terms of accepting statements

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from the board.

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We're not specifically addressing

00:22:29.320 --> 00:22:31.090
any particular public comment,

00:22:31.090 --> 00:22:34.763
but I think a few words
of clarification are in order.

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You will find a very
sympathetic audience

00:22:40.120 --> 00:22:41.840
within this particular group.

00:22:41.840 --> 00:22:46.470
We were created by
statute to provide advice

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to the Wildfire Safety Division,

00:22:48.950 --> 00:22:53.920
as well as direct advice to
the publicly owned community

00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:57.380
on their wildfire mitigation plans.

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It is obviously critical
that the investments

00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:02.600
being made that the focus

00:23:04.270 --> 00:23:06.993
be made in these
particular areas to manage

00:23:06.993 --> 00:23:08.400
some of the instances

00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:12.460
that you've very recently heard about.

00:23:12.460 --> 00:23:16.850
So it is certainly in
our interest to minimize

00:23:16.850 --> 00:23:20.690
and ultimately eliminate
Public Safety Power Shutoff.

00:23:20.690 --> 00:23:23.140
And while we are not
in control of that decision

00:23:24.190 --> 00:23:27.930
we are very supportive and
understand the implications.

00:23:27.930 --> 00:23:31.250
And with that, I wanna
offer my colleagues,

00:23:31.250 --> 00:23:33.150
if any of them have some brief comments

00:23:33.150 --> 00:23:34.223
they'd like to make.

00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:39.923
Mr. Mader, I thought I
saw your hand go up.

00:23:41.120 --> 00:23:42.800
You have something you'd like to say.

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<v ->Yes, Thank you, Chair Edwards.</v>

00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:46.973
I was just trying to make
sure my mute button was off.

00:23:46.973 --> 00:23:51.910
And instead of responding
to one particular speaker

00:23:51.910 --> 00:23:54.300
I think I would like to respond

00:23:54.300 --> 00:23:56.500
to the group of
concerns that were raised

00:23:56.500 --> 00:23:58.360
because there was a
certain theme through these

00:23:58.360 --> 00:24:02.573
which was the impact of the
public safety power shut downs.

00:24:03.520 --> 00:24:07.383
You know, this board of which
I'm honored to be a member

00:24:07.383 --> 00:24:09.700
has made a number of recommendations

00:24:09.700 --> 00:24:14.050
as Chair Edwards points out
to advise on the formulation

00:24:14.050 --> 00:24:16.170
of the wildfire mitigation plans,

00:24:16.170 --> 00:24:18.130
of the investor on utilities.

00:24:18.130 --> 00:24:23.130
And now we're talking about
the publicly owned utilities.

00:24:23.825 --> 00:24:27.140
And our focus really is on two things

00:24:27.140 --> 00:24:32.140
which is the avoidance
utility initiated wildfires

00:24:32.536 --> 00:24:36.110
and trying to advise the utilities

00:24:36.110 --> 00:24:38.300
and how to minimize those risks.

00:24:38.300 --> 00:24:43.300
But also we have
identified that the public,

00:24:43.923 --> 00:24:48.703
the PSPS events themselves
are undesirable events.

00:24:48.703 --> 00:24:50.790
They are not a true solution.

00:24:50.790 --> 00:24:52.670
They have their own consequences

00:24:52.670 --> 00:24:55.840
of which the speakers
very eloquently enumerated

00:24:55.840 --> 00:24:58.940
their personal impacts and
the impacts to their community.

00:24:58.940 --> 00:25:01.690
We recognize those impacts.

00:25:01.690 --> 00:25:04.800
And that is why we've made a
number of recommendations.

00:25:04.800 --> 00:25:07.560
And we'll continue to do that in order

00:25:07.560 --> 00:25:10.280
to reduce the impact of PSPS,

00:25:10.280 --> 00:25:13.580
if they are necessary
to those that are affected

00:25:13.580 --> 00:25:17.664
the amount of time or even because of,

00:25:17.664 --> 00:25:21.790
from number of recommendations
we've made how to avoid them.

00:25:21.790 --> 00:25:23.914
We, you know, we earlier
made a recommendation,

00:25:23.914 --> 00:25:26.290
it's called about the sure,

00:25:26.290 --> 00:25:29.393
which is the system hardening utility.

00:25:31.100 --> 00:25:34.170
Basically it's a standard
to manage hardening

00:25:34.170 --> 00:25:36.923
in order to lower the risk to
be able to operate the system

00:25:36.923 --> 00:25:41.373
when normally when it
would be subject to a PSPS.

00:25:42.270 --> 00:25:44.180
So we've tried to make a number

00:25:44.180 --> 00:25:46.623
of different efforts to address that.

00:25:47.530 --> 00:25:48.920
We are an advisory board.

00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.147
We do not actually
operate the utilities.

00:25:51.147 --> 00:25:56.080
Those new decisions are
made by the utilities themselves

00:25:56.080 --> 00:25:58.903
but we are in trying
to enable those utilities

00:25:58.903 --> 00:26:02.830
to be able to avoid the
impact as much as possible.

00:26:02.830 --> 00:26:04.860
And I know that all of my colleagues

00:26:04.860 --> 00:26:06.403
very, very, you know,

00:26:07.330 --> 00:26:08.983
take that charge very seriously

00:26:08.983 --> 00:26:10.950
in the work that we're trying to do.

00:26:10.950 --> 00:26:14.480
So Thank you for your sharing the impact

00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.573
of yourself and to your communities.

00:26:16.573 --> 00:26:19.790
And we will continue
to work on these issues.

00:26:19.790 --> 00:26:20.623
Thank you.

00:26:21.700 --> 00:26:23.780
<v ->Thank you, board member Mayer.</v>

00:26:23.780 --> 00:26:27.723
Chair recognizes board member Block.

00:26:29.060 --> 00:26:31.210
<v Block>Hi.</v>
Can you hear me?

00:26:31.210 --> 00:26:32.350
<v ->Yes.</v>

00:26:32.350 --> 00:26:33.183
<v Block>Okay.</v>

00:26:34.811 --> 00:26:36.940
I was actually glad to be coming right

00:26:36.940 --> 00:26:38.403
after board member Mader,

00:26:39.884 --> 00:26:43.290
to just follow up and support
what he was just saying.

00:26:43.290 --> 00:26:44.800
I wanted to say that we hear you.

00:26:44.800 --> 00:26:46.260
We really appreciate you coming on

00:26:46.260 --> 00:26:49.913
and sharing your story
and your struggles.

00:26:51.910 --> 00:26:55.380
And it's a tap on this in a
sort of remote environment

00:26:55.380 --> 00:26:56.870
for us not to see your faces

00:26:56.870 --> 00:26:58.560
and for us not to be face to face,

00:26:58.560 --> 00:27:02.800
to recognize your concern in person.

00:27:02.800 --> 00:27:05.090
I just wanted to let you
know that we hear you

00:27:05.090 --> 00:27:06.400
and we appreciate your comment.

00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:10.200
And to further support what
board member Mader said.

00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:13.780
Or we're working on ways
to provide recommendations

00:27:13.780 --> 00:27:15.940
on data-driven solutions

00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:20.190
so that there are the
cost benefit analysis

00:27:20.190 --> 00:27:23.050
is done in more sophisticated
ways through the future.

00:27:23.050 --> 00:27:25.420
So we're keeping all of this in mind

00:27:25.420 --> 00:27:27.760
and doing our best to
put our heads together

00:27:27.760 --> 00:27:28.720
to find solutions.

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:29.553
Thank you.

00:27:31.124 --> 00:27:32.724
<v ->Thank you, board member Block.</v>

00:27:33.874 --> 00:27:36.363
I'm seeing no other
requests from the board.

00:27:37.800 --> 00:27:39.220
That's gonna conclude the portion

00:27:39.220 --> 00:27:41.180
where the board has an
opportunity to comment

00:27:41.180 --> 00:27:42.013
at this time.

00:27:42.013 --> 00:27:44.626
We're also gonna close
the public comment period,

00:27:44.626 --> 00:27:47.770
and we are going to open the topic

00:27:47.770 --> 00:27:50.493
of the September 23rd meeting minutes.

00:27:52.092 --> 00:27:53.890
Let's see.

00:27:53.890 --> 00:27:54.804
Let me see.

00:27:54.804 --> 00:27:56.200
The draft minutes can be found

00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:58.740
on the Wildfire safety
Advisory Board website.

00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:01.370
I'm sure that the members of the board

00:28:01.370 --> 00:28:03.410
have had an opportunity to read them.

00:28:03.410 --> 00:28:05.670
Are there any edits or additions

00:28:05.670 --> 00:28:07.983
that you'd like to make
to the meeting minutes?

00:28:10.940 --> 00:28:11.773
<v ->No.</v>

00:28:15.780 --> 00:28:16.613
<v ->All right.</v>

00:28:16.613 --> 00:28:18.110
Hearing none.

00:28:18.110 --> 00:28:20.583
I'll entertain a vote to
approve the minutes.

00:28:21.656 --> 00:28:23.860
<v Block>I'm move for adoption.</v>

00:28:23.860 --> 00:28:24.973
Vice Chair Fellman.

00:28:26.250 --> 00:28:28.420
<v ->Board member for the second.</v>
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:28:28.420 --> 00:28:30.450
And a second by board member Porter.

00:28:30.450 --> 00:28:32.960
All those in favor, Aye.

00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:33.937
<v ->Aye.</v>
<v ->Aye.</v>

00:28:33.937 --> 00:28:34.890
<v ->Aye.</v>

00:28:34.890 --> 00:28:36.390
<v ->Any opposed?</v>
<v Block>Aye.</v>

00:28:37.270 --> 00:28:38.103
<v ->Motion carries.</v>

00:28:38.103 --> 00:28:39.363
Thank you for that vote.

00:28:40.520 --> 00:28:44.420
Next, we are very grateful
to the next run of presenters.

00:28:44.420 --> 00:28:45.253
We're honored.

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We're joined by Cal OES
Wildfire Safety Division

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and CAL FIRE to
discuss the lay of the land

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not only this past year

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but perhaps get a
glimpse looking forward.

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First, I'd like to introduce as well,

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Thank Michael Massone.

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The Assistant Director
for Response Operations

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at Cal OES to speak with us.

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Welcome, Michael.

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Is your mic working?

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<v Michael>Yes, ma'am I'm here.</v>

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Can you hear me?

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<v ->Excellent.</v>

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Please, go ahead.

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<v ->Hi, good afternoon.</v>

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My name is Mike Massone,

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I'm Assistant Director for Cal OES.

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Wanna say Thank you to madam chair

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and the honorable
board for having me today.

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It's an honor and a
privilege to be here.

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I've put together a slide deck

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that we can go over and discuss

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kind of a small snippet perspective

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of our 2020 wildfire season to date.

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As we all know, it's been
a challenging season

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with just wildfire alone

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it would have been
incredibly difficult season

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compound that by obviously with COVID

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but then throughout the season,

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we had some civil unrest.

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We had elections.

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We've had many number of other events

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that we've been managing here
at the State Operation Center.

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But as it relates to wildfire,

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I do have my slide
deck up just a quick shot

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of our fire apparatus that we maintain.

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And an overview of those apparatuses

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are staffed by the men
and women across the state,

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on resources that are provided
by Cal OES as Fire and Rescue

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and then staffed by
individual cities and counties.

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So with that, I'll start my
presentation on wildfire.

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So next slide.

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As it relates to the
State Operations Center

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working with our state
agencies and partners

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including CAL FIRE
Department Social Services,

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the Red Cross and others,

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we are the clearing house
for all things emergency

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in the state.

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So our State Operations
Center is responsible

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for the wildfires as well.

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Or at least assistance
in managing those.

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And we're gonna hear from CAL FIRE

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in a minute to give their
perspective from CAL FIRE side.

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But Cal OES this year in
the State Operations Center

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we're looking at 4.177,856
estimated acres burn to date.

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We still have a few active fires

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albeit somewhat contained in
our Southern part of the state

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that's what we're tracking this year.

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And I mean, that's just
an astronomical number.

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And I'm sure CAL FIRE is gonna reflect

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in more detail on that

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but just 4 million
acres in a single year.

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We don't even call it a season anymore.

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But a single year it's just
an astronomical number.

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Of those the State Operation
Center was assisting

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in managing 30 of those 30 incidents.

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And those are just the highlights.

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Those are the ones in of themselves.

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Each one would have
been a major emergency

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or a major conflagration
or fire in the state.

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And this year we had 30 of those,

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and I'm sure CAL FIRE
will reflect on those as well.

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But at one point we had, you know,

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28 wildfires burning

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across the state that
were in of themselves

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each one would have been
of such enormous magnitude

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that they were overwhelming.

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However, we manage those efficiently

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and with great success obviously,

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with our state partners,
our federal partners,

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and we actually had firefighters
come from Israel this year

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to help us out and multiple firefighters

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from every almost every state as well,

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providing assistance to us.

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Sadly this year with our
law enforcement branch.

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And we sustained 31 fatalities
that were reported to us

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through our law enforcement
branch on those fires.

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And again, sadly one is too
many, 31 is just unconscionable.

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This year structures
damaged and destroyed

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we track them by damaged and destroyed.

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There are other metrics out
there but 11,005 structures

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damaged and destroyed
from these incidents

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across the state costing
just over $2.05 billion in costs.

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I'll talk a little bit
about costs in a minute

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but just to let that sink in,

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just again another incredible number,

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and this is just wildfires,

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this isn't the other
incidents that we've assisted

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or managed across the
state including COVID.

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On our next slide,

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our fire management
assistant grants or FMAG's,

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19 FMAG'S.

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I didn't check to see
whether that's a record,

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but can assure you
that that's out there.

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And these management assistant grants

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are the ones that are put
in from our operational areas

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or counties for assistance,

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federal assistance on these fires.

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Thanks to our FEMA
cooperators and partners

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we were granted those grants
relatively quickly and easily.

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When those are sent to us,

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we get on them right away,

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sometimes in the middle of the night

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we hold meetings to discuss them

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to see whether we put them forward.

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And then we get them to
our FEMA partners as fast

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as possible to get those back to us.

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And out of those 19 FMAG's

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we assisted 25 counties with those.

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So 25 of our 58 counties
are currently receiving

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FMAG assistance.

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Now that everything
from direct assistance

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directly to individuals,
housing cleanup,

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everywhere in between
us and also for the fires.

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We have two major declarations.

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Presidential Declarations of Disasters.

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Again, one is typically a
heavy lift and a huge challenge.

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We are actually supporting two right now

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through our joint field
office that we've established

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with FEMA and Cal OES.

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And out of that,

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those two declarations
we've got 28 counties

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that are receiving direct
benefit from that and one tribe.

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So again, it's just it
can't be underscored,

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what challenge 2020 has
been in terms of wildfires

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and what we've seen to date.

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And again, our
declarations are still ongoing

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each and every day,
we're coordinating amongst

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all of our cooperators
state agencies and partners

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to make sure that
ultimately the citizens

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in the counties are receiving

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that to the max extent
possible aid and assistance.

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Next side is our State
Operations Center.

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As I mentioned earlier
we kind of consolidate

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and coordinate all emergencies

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throughout the state this year to date

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we're tracking 80 significant events

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that are kind of relative to this body.

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30 of those being those
major Disasters fires

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and then 50 of the Public
Safety Power Shutoff.

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And I wanna Thank not only this board

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but the CPUC and the
Wildfire Safety Division on,

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our cooperation coordination

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amongst these Power Safety Shutoffs

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and to the board and to the public,

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please know that we
take this very seriously.

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The Governor, our director,

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as well as all of Cal OES
is intimately involved in.

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And we hear and understand the issues

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that are surrounding the
Public Safety Power Shutoff.

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And we echo the comments
earlier from the Board member

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that we too would like to see these end.

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As it relates to our
State Operations Center

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currently we have 800 staff
that are currently activated

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in support of our State
Operations Center.

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And that's statewide.

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That's everywhere from
our federal medical facilities,

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our acute care facilities

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that we're managing
the COVID incident with,

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to our joint field office
all the way down to,

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you know, folks in the field,

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actually doing inspections to make sure

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that actions are being completed

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in terms of wildfire recovery,

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and making sure that
the needs are being met.

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Kind of a unique numbers,

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the next one, that each day I come in

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it still resonates.

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There's 284 days of solid activation

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meaning the State Operation Center

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that's just out to my right here

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has been activated with
people in it for 284 days,

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which I'll just let that
one sink in as well.

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But which equates to
78% of this year to date

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with knowing insight of us deactivating

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or shutting down the SOC,

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we're just ramped up
really heavy for COVID

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and the surge that's ongoing right now.

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But again, we set a record in 2017

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and we've surpassed
that by 167 days to date.

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And like I said, we're probably
gonna continue on into 2021

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with that as well.

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Next is our OES Urban
Search and Rescue CAL FIRE,

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I'm sorry, Cal OES Fire and Rescue

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also manages our OES Urban
Search and Rescue Program.

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And one of our unique
deployments this year

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was we deployed four
task forces over 10 days

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to the North complex of Butte

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to do remains recovery and search

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of over 2,500 burned
structures in that area.

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That was basically an
incident within an incident.

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We operated under the incident
command system of that fire.

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And we built out a urban search

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and rescue component within that,

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where we tasked four task forces

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from four different
locations within the state.

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We brought them all to Butte
for that 10 day operations.

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So again, just to get more
outside the box thinking

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and really throwing every resource

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that we have at these.

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And at the end of the
day our ultimate goal was

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to provide some closure for families

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make sure that we
accounted for all of the missing

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and that we can ensure that
the structures were searched

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and that there were
no more lost or missing.

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So again, just another
resource that we provided

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on some of the fires.

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We also do a what's
called pre-positioning.

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We've done that with our fire apparatus.

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When we've moved for wind events

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we have strategically located

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and stood up or staffed fire
apparatus throughout the state

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during these PSPS and the
wind and the red flag warnings

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both in the North and the South.

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This year because of the
large areas of burn scars

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and the potential for debris flow,

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and if you remember Montecito

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that's what we were guarding against.

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And pre-positioning our
urban search and rescue teams

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in those areas.

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Thankfully, luckily we did not see that

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and we were able to
pull back our resources,

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but again we stand on the ready

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as we move into the rainy season.

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Should that ever come.

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I know that we're still in red flag

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and no immediate relief for our rainfall

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but we're certainly hoping
as are the rest of you I'm sure.

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Lastly, I'll just close
with our law branch.

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This is just kind of a
broad picture of them.

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We also coordinate law
enforcement mutual aid

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and with our law
enforcement mutual aid system

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we manage all of our evacuation

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and coordinate evacuations
of all of the various individuals

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throughout and coordinate
them into our shelters.

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Which we partnered with
CDSS and American Red Cross.

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This year our sheltering program

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was a little bit different due to COVID.

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We weren't able to put them

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in the typical congregate shelters

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or the large arenas, gymnasium,

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and those sorts of
things where we typically

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set out tents and cots and
direct them all to one area.

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What we did this year was
we provided hotel rooms

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and hotel vouchers
to all of the evacuees.

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And again, just managing that

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and keeping track of the evacuees

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making sure that their needs are met

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and making sure that
we know where they are

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within a defined area
was a challenge as well.

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And then obviously you
saw a lot of the air rescues

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through our national
guard folks that flew

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some credible air missions this year

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pulling out, you know,

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people out of these these fires zones,

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just incredibly heroic.

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Our law enforcement branch coordinated

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those with our partners at
California Military Department

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and California National Guard.

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With that, I'm going to end.

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I'm available for questions either now

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or I'll remain on the line and
available for questions so.

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Thank you all for having me.

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It's been a pleasure.

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<v ->Thank you, Mr.Massone.</v>

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I know I speak for all of
us when I share with you

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how proud we are of the
work at Cal OES is doing.

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At this point, I'd like to
see if any of my colleagues

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have questions.

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Vice Chair Philman.

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<v ->Thank you.</v>

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And Thank you, Mr.Massone
for your presentation

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and your support for the state.

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The question I have goes
to the one that was raised

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in the public comments.

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At our meeting today
we're addressing the publicly

00:42:14.450 --> 00:42:17.290
owned utilities and
electric cooperatives.

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And with respect to
coordinating with communities,

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is your general line of communication

00:42:22.900 --> 00:42:27.670
to the jurisdictional entities
like the cities and counties

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or do you have a separate line

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of communication to the
publicly owned utilities?

00:42:32.710 --> 00:42:36.250
Cause I imagine you're
already dealing directly

00:42:36.250 --> 00:42:39.223
with the IOU's, so this
focuses on the POU's.

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<v ->Yes.</v>

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The answer to both is yes.

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We have a communication with the POU's.

00:42:47.180 --> 00:42:49.267
And then as it relates
to the communities

00:42:49.267 --> 00:42:50.126
and the counties,

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we use our geographic mutual aid regions

00:42:54.770 --> 00:42:59.270
to coordinate between
the counties and Cal OES.

00:42:59.270 --> 00:43:01.960
So each geographic mutual aid region

00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:06.960
has emergency service
coordinators assigned to each county,

00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:10.090
and they work with the counties,

00:43:10.090 --> 00:43:12.670
and the agencies to make sure
that the needs are being met.

00:43:12.670 --> 00:43:14.263
And that any of the information

00:43:14.263 --> 00:43:16.547
that is sent back to either

00:43:16.547 --> 00:43:19.180
the State Operation Center, Cal OES,

00:43:19.180 --> 00:43:23.437
or questions are answered
from the communities

00:43:23.437 --> 00:43:24.373
and the counties.

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<v ->And this is a follow-up,</v>

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is there any pre-fire season outreach

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or is it mostly in real time?

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<v ->In terms of PSPS?</v>

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<v ->In terms of it.</v>

00:43:39.660 --> 00:43:41.250
Well not in terms of PSPS,

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but do you establish communication

00:43:44.060 --> 00:43:49.060
and have information
forums prior to the fire season?

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Or is it merely during,

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is it totally during the fire
season and in real time?

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<v ->Yeah, again,
the answer is both.</v>

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But no, we do have ongoing
we're in constant contact

00:44:04.594 --> 00:44:05.875
with our counties.

00:44:05.875 --> 00:44:08.257
Our County Office of Emergency Services

00:44:08.257 --> 00:44:11.810
and all of our
community-based organizations

00:44:11.810 --> 00:44:14.620
that are within those
operational areas or counties

00:44:14.620 --> 00:44:17.080
to make sure that that
needs are be met and,

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you know, it's the pre-events.

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And then we do have in real time,

00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.450
you know, communications either

00:44:24.450 --> 00:44:27.300
through emergency operations centers

00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:30.420
that then communicate back
to our State Operation Center

00:44:30.420 --> 00:44:33.433
or just directly in the field.

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<v ->Thank you.</v>

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<v ->Of course.</v>

00:44:38.147 --> 00:44:39.463
<v ->Thank you.</v>

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I'm seeing no other questions
from the board members

00:44:43.190 --> 00:44:44.023
at this time.

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I'd again like to Thank you, Mr.Massone

00:44:45.820 --> 00:44:47.873
for being here with us today.

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With that we're gonna move
to the Wildfire Safety Division.

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Director Thomas Jacobs is with us.

00:44:57.860 --> 00:45:01.250
It's been quite a wild year for her.

00:45:01.250 --> 00:45:02.660
No doubt.

00:45:02.660 --> 00:45:06.453
We appreciate you joining
us today and with that Director.

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<v ->Great.</v>

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Thank you, Chair Edwards.

00:45:09.830 --> 00:45:11.430
And good afternoon board members.

00:45:11.430 --> 00:45:13.100
Thank you for the
opportunity to brief you

00:45:13.100 --> 00:45:15.340
on the Wildfire Safety
Divisions progress

00:45:15.340 --> 00:45:17.630
we've made in 2020.

00:45:17.630 --> 00:45:19.650
Before I get into my official remarks.

00:45:19.650 --> 00:45:21.640
Just wanna take a moment to offer

00:45:21.640 --> 00:45:25.090
my personal Thanks to Mike Massone,

00:45:25.090 --> 00:45:26.710
who just was presenting for all the work

00:45:26.710 --> 00:45:29.900
that he's been doing and
leading at the Cal OES.

00:45:29.900 --> 00:45:32.470
Just given my background there myself

00:45:32.470 --> 00:45:34.720
I have a deep
understanding of the enormity

00:45:34.720 --> 00:45:36.990
and the complexity of what this year

00:45:36.990 --> 00:45:38.740
has been for the state's response

00:45:38.740 --> 00:45:41.270
so deep appreciation for all the time

00:45:41.270 --> 00:45:43.190
and energy you've put into that Mike,

00:45:43.190 --> 00:45:45.006
so Thank you very much.

00:45:45.006 --> 00:45:47.020
So when I first briefed this body

00:45:47.020 --> 00:45:48.330
back in the beginning of the year,

00:45:48.330 --> 00:45:52.200
I laid out objectives
for the division in 2020.

00:45:52.200 --> 00:45:55.310
As a new division
established in just this January.

00:45:55.310 --> 00:45:56.443
Build our division,

00:45:56.443 --> 00:45:58.710
meet our statutory responsibilities

00:45:58.710 --> 00:46:00.140
and prepare for our transition

00:46:00.140 --> 00:46:02.740
into the office of Energy
Infrastructure Safety

00:46:02.740 --> 00:46:04.910
by July, 2021.

00:46:04.910 --> 00:46:06.720
We've executed on all three.

00:46:06.720 --> 00:46:08.910
A quick recap of
building out the division,

00:46:08.910 --> 00:46:10.080
and then I'll provide more detail

00:46:10.080 --> 00:46:12.190
on our core responsibilities.

00:46:12.190 --> 00:46:14.450
So today we've hired the
vast majority of our team.

00:46:14.450 --> 00:46:15.810
We have a few remaining positions

00:46:15.810 --> 00:46:17.750
that we're expecting to fill soon.

00:46:17.750 --> 00:46:19.380
Throughout the year we've executed

00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:20.920
on our various responsibilities.

00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.380
While we've executed on
our various responsibilities,

00:46:23.380 --> 00:46:25.974
we've built out our internal
procedures and protocols.

00:46:25.974 --> 00:46:28.070
We've equipped our teams

00:46:28.070 --> 00:46:29.540
and we've developed a training program

00:46:29.540 --> 00:46:32.460
to ensure that as we
quickly onboard staff

00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:34.780
they can hit the ground running.

00:46:34.780 --> 00:46:38.724
So while we've built the
proverbial plane around us,

00:46:38.724 --> 00:46:41.160
we have been running full steam ahead

00:46:41.160 --> 00:46:44.460
tackling our specific
statutory responsibilities.

00:46:44.460 --> 00:46:45.680
Key among them this year,

00:46:45.680 --> 00:46:49.350
first, evaluating our 2020
Wildfire Mitigation Plans

00:46:49.350 --> 00:46:51.070
which was the first
iteration of the plan

00:46:51.070 --> 00:46:52.840
that covers a three-year period

00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.840
for the new AB-054 requirements.

00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:57.720
We completed a comprehensive review

00:46:57.720 --> 00:46:59.810
of the eight submissions back in May,

00:46:59.810 --> 00:47:01.320
and are in the process of finalizing

00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:06.100
our review of Bear Valley
Electrics refiled WMP this fall.

00:47:06.100 --> 00:47:08.100
And the majority of utilities received

00:47:08.100 --> 00:47:10.260
conditional approvals of their plans

00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:13.358
requiring them to submit
remedial compliance plans in July

00:47:13.358 --> 00:47:16.629
to address class A with the
most substantial deficiencies

00:47:16.629 --> 00:47:19.360
and submit a quarterly
report in September

00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:21.350
to address the class B deficiencies

00:47:21.350 --> 00:47:23.190
or the moderate deficiencies.

00:47:23.190 --> 00:47:25.650
We're in the process of
finalizing our assessments

00:47:25.650 --> 00:47:26.770
of those submissions.

00:47:26.770 --> 00:47:28.870
And we'll be issuing
our findings shortly.

00:47:30.020 --> 00:47:30.853
Throughout the year,

00:47:30.853 --> 00:47:32.543
we've been reviewing issuance,

00:47:33.520 --> 00:47:36.414
for issuing subsequent
safety certifications.

00:47:36.414 --> 00:47:38.972
We issued a reissuance

00:47:38.972 --> 00:47:42.950
of Bear Valley's electric
safety certification

00:47:42.950 --> 00:47:45.780
after a corporate
restructure back in August.

00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:48.250
And then we issued
subsequent certifications

00:47:48.250 --> 00:47:50.090
for Southern California Edison

00:47:50.090 --> 00:47:52.790
and San Diego Gas and
Electric in September.

00:47:52.790 --> 00:47:54.930
We currently have before
us under consideration,

00:47:54.930 --> 00:47:57.170
PG Need Safety Certification.

00:47:58.060 --> 00:47:59.820
We initiated development of our overall

00:47:59.820 --> 00:48:01.700
Wildfire Safety Compliance Program.

00:48:01.700 --> 00:48:03.570
And to date, our
inspectors have completed

00:48:03.570 --> 00:48:08.080
over 2,700 inspection
activities identifying 160 defects.

00:48:08.080 --> 00:48:10.420
And we are actively
working with utilities

00:48:10.420 --> 00:48:13.390
to ensure that they resolve
them in a timely manner.

00:48:13.390 --> 00:48:16.270
And in October we submitted
our inaugural recommendations

00:48:16.270 --> 00:48:18.530
to the Commission on
the four required elements

00:48:18.530 --> 00:48:22.140
per public utilities
code 8389D specifically

00:48:22.140 --> 00:48:23.420
the wildfire mitigation plan,

00:48:23.420 --> 00:48:25.930
updated welfare mitigation
plan requirements,

00:48:25.930 --> 00:48:27.710
updated performance metrics,

00:48:27.710 --> 00:48:30.210
an inaugural annual
safety culture assessment

00:48:30.210 --> 00:48:32.340
and the inaugural compliance process.

00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:33.718
I'll provide some details
on those recommendations

00:48:33.718 --> 00:48:34.820
in a moment.

00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:36.710
But as you all are, of course aware,

00:48:36.710 --> 00:48:39.320
we built our recommendations
off of the recommendation

00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:40.780
provided by this board.

00:48:40.780 --> 00:48:43.590
So I'd like to provide a bit more detail

00:48:43.590 --> 00:48:45.183
in those recommendations.

00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:48.400
We submitted our
recommendations to the Commission

00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:49.680
via two resolutions.

00:48:49.680 --> 00:48:53.478
WSD-011 and WSD-012.

00:48:53.478 --> 00:48:56.170
Both were informed
by the recommendations

00:48:56.170 --> 00:48:58.800
that we received from the board in June.

00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.290
The division considered the
boards 23 recommendations

00:49:01.290 --> 00:49:03.590
and prioritize 16 for incorporation

00:49:03.590 --> 00:49:05.883
into the resolutions
and its attachments.

00:49:05.883 --> 00:49:09.240
The 16 incorporated broadly
focused on the following areas.

00:49:09.240 --> 00:49:13.380
First, further clarifying
and standardizing metrics

00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:15.830
such as clearly defining all risk events

00:49:15.830 --> 00:49:18.250
that could cause an ignition.

00:49:18.250 --> 00:49:21.120
Second, requiring additional
reporting requirements

00:49:21.120 --> 00:49:22.780
in the wildfire mitigation plan.

00:49:22.780 --> 00:49:25.880
Such as worker qualifications
and providing a risk analysis

00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:27.720
on each initiative.

00:49:27.720 --> 00:49:31.140
And third, reshaping the
wildfire mitigation plan,

00:49:31.140 --> 00:49:35.540
process and timeline to
enable more complete plans

00:49:35.540 --> 00:49:37.013
and time for evaluation.

00:49:38.300 --> 00:49:39.730
There were seven recommendations

00:49:39.730 --> 00:49:42.130
that while we appreciated
the thoughtful analysis

00:49:42.130 --> 00:49:43.460
and recommendation from the board

00:49:43.460 --> 00:49:45.320
we did not incorporate at this time.

00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:47.390
Most of these were were not incorporated

00:49:47.390 --> 00:49:49.150
because they either
were outside the scope

00:49:49.150 --> 00:49:53.100
of the division specific
authorities and responsibility,

00:49:53.100 --> 00:49:55.500
and that's handled in other
parts of the Commission

00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:58.640
or prioritize as part
of a longer term effort

00:49:58.640 --> 00:50:02.240
following the 2021 wildfire
mitigation plan cycle.

00:50:02.240 --> 00:50:05.610
For example, sobbing
utilities resource constraints

00:50:05.610 --> 00:50:08.270
which is a longer-term issue
that the division supports

00:50:08.270 --> 00:50:10.760
but is outside of our direct scope.

00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.050
And then adopting a
comprehensive risk metrics.

00:50:13.050 --> 00:50:15.700
That board member
Mader mentioned earlier.

00:50:15.700 --> 00:50:17.810
Which is best addressed
within the context

00:50:17.810 --> 00:50:20.690
of the Commission's ongoing
risks focus proceedings

00:50:20.690 --> 00:50:22.140
such as the RAMP proceedings.

00:50:23.020 --> 00:50:25.360
Our full analysis of the
board's recommendations

00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:27.320
can be found in attachment one

00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.963
to resolution WSD-011 which
can be found on our website.

00:50:32.230 --> 00:50:34.810
Our changes to the
wildfire mitigation guidelines

00:50:34.810 --> 00:50:35.960
were relatively light

00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:37.610
and therefore in short compatibility

00:50:37.610 --> 00:50:39.493
over the prior year submissions.

00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:42.871
The changes focus
on clarifying definitions,

00:50:42.871 --> 00:50:46.110
the maturity model
capabilities and metrics.

00:50:46.110 --> 00:50:47.830
While keeping requirements consistent

00:50:47.830 --> 00:50:49.800
with the 2020 guidelines to allow

00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:51.950
year-over-year progress tracking.

00:50:51.950 --> 00:50:53.690
Standardizing quantitative data

00:50:53.690 --> 00:50:55.990
and adding structure
to narrative responses

00:50:55.990 --> 00:50:58.460
and reorganizing the
requirements to streamline

00:50:58.460 --> 00:51:00.830
both the utility submissions
and the division,

00:51:00.830 --> 00:51:02.270
the review process.

00:51:02.270 --> 00:51:04.020
For example, creating a new section

00:51:04.020 --> 00:51:07.730
where all information related
to Public Safety Power Shutoff

00:51:07.730 --> 00:51:09.800
will be housed as
opposed to that information

00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.410
being throughout the utilities WMP

00:51:12.410 --> 00:51:13.913
as was the case in 2020.

00:51:15.170 --> 00:51:17.700
Our changes to the wildfire
mitigation plan process

00:51:17.700 --> 00:51:20.330
are also relatively light
and focus on making

00:51:20.330 --> 00:51:22.990
the wildfire mitigation plan
review schedule more efficient

00:51:22.990 --> 00:51:25.910
and feasible for everyone
involved going forward.

00:51:25.910 --> 00:51:29.870
The adopted process includes
the following core elements.

00:51:29.870 --> 00:51:31.600
First, we offset the small

00:51:31.600 --> 00:51:33.490
and multi-jurisdictional utilities

00:51:33.490 --> 00:51:35.680
and independent
transmission owner submissions

00:51:35.680 --> 00:51:38.070
to 30 days after the February 5th

00:51:38.070 --> 00:51:39.939
large utility submission date.

00:51:39.939 --> 00:51:42.090
This gives the WSD, the division,

00:51:42.090 --> 00:51:46.000
a dedicated month to focus
on reviewing the large IOU plan

00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:47.380
and provides additional time

00:51:47.380 --> 00:51:49.993
for smaller utilities
to prepare their plans.

00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.520
Second, we move
quantitative WMP requirements

00:51:54.520 --> 00:51:56.532
into an into new quarterly reports.

00:51:56.532 --> 00:51:58.150
This will enable the division

00:51:58.150 --> 00:52:00.250
to receive the data more frequently

00:52:00.250 --> 00:52:03.183
and conduct analysis and
assess progress year-round.

00:52:04.250 --> 00:52:07.080
Regarding the Safety
Culture Assessment or CSA,

00:52:07.080 --> 00:52:08.530
there are a few things
I'd like to highlight

00:52:08.530 --> 00:52:09.473
about the process.

00:52:10.350 --> 00:52:12.550
First, the Division Safety
Culture Assessment

00:52:12.550 --> 00:52:14.190
will be distinct from the Commission's

00:52:14.190 --> 00:52:17.260
broader Safety Culture
Assessment In two ways.

00:52:17.260 --> 00:52:19.044
One, the Division Safety
Culture Assessment

00:52:19.044 --> 00:52:21.480
must be conducted annually.

00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:23.480
In contrast to the
Commission's assessment

00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:26.504
which must be conducted
at least every five years.

00:52:26.504 --> 00:52:29.190
Second, the Division
Safety Culture Assessment

00:52:29.190 --> 00:52:31.640
will be focused primarily
on wildfire safety.

00:52:31.640 --> 00:52:33.200
While of course still incorporating

00:52:33.200 --> 00:52:36.050
covering some of the elements
of broader safety culture

00:52:36.050 --> 00:52:38.903
which are essential to
wildfire safety outcomes.

00:52:40.240 --> 00:52:42.430
Second, the division
safety culture assessment

00:52:42.430 --> 00:52:44.770
by nature of being conducted annually

00:52:44.770 --> 00:52:47.850
aims to measure improvement
of safety culture over time,

00:52:47.850 --> 00:52:49.420
in a consistent fashion,

00:52:49.420 --> 00:52:51.698
and accordingly drive accountability.

00:52:51.698 --> 00:52:53.960
Key to this is having a
standard assessment tools

00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:56.100
which can be applied
across electrical corporations

00:52:56.100 --> 00:52:57.603
year over year.

00:52:57.603 --> 00:52:59.930
Third, the division will
base its assessment

00:52:59.930 --> 00:53:01.810
on five forms of data;

00:53:01.810 --> 00:53:05.650
survey, self-assessments,
interviews, observations,

00:53:05.650 --> 00:53:07.750
and supporting documentation.

00:53:07.750 --> 00:53:09.505
We might phase these
in over initial years

00:53:09.505 --> 00:53:11.670
and will likely streamline the process

00:53:11.670 --> 00:53:13.901
for smaller electrical corporations.

00:53:13.901 --> 00:53:17.630
With the Commission's
adoption of WSD-011,

00:53:17.630 --> 00:53:19.780
at their November 19th voting meeting,

00:53:19.780 --> 00:53:21.980
the WSD is moving forward to implement

00:53:21.980 --> 00:53:23.821
all of these recommendations.

00:53:23.821 --> 00:53:26.640
We have recently released
detailed CSA requirements

00:53:26.640 --> 00:53:28.380
for stakeholder feedback and plan

00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:31.280
to conduct our first safety
culture assessments next year.

00:53:32.290 --> 00:53:36.990
As per resolution WSD-012 our
new annual compliance process,

00:53:36.990 --> 00:53:40.430
it articulates a two-part
compliance process.

00:53:40.430 --> 00:53:42.590
Ongoing an annual compliance assessments

00:53:42.590 --> 00:53:44.993
in which the WSD determines
each utility compliance

00:53:44.993 --> 00:53:47.250
throughout a compliance period

00:53:47.250 --> 00:53:48.960
and then conducts an annual review

00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:51.030
at the end of each compliance period

00:53:51.030 --> 00:53:53.430
in consequences of
compliance assessments.

00:53:53.430 --> 00:53:55.370
In which the WSD
will work with utilities

00:53:55.370 --> 00:53:58.340
to minimize and or
resolve wildfire safety issues

00:53:58.340 --> 00:54:00.583
and noncompliance
with the WMP initiatives.

00:54:01.720 --> 00:54:04.360
The ongoing compliance
assessments through field inspections

00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.060
and regular audits of electrical
corporation compliance

00:54:07.060 --> 00:54:10.006
with initiatives is a
core part of our strategy.

00:54:10.006 --> 00:54:13.100
The field inspections provide
new real-time notification

00:54:13.100 --> 00:54:17.010
and expedited resolution of
electrical corporation defects

00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:19.080
and provide transparency
into the progress

00:54:19.080 --> 00:54:20.530
towards risk reduction goals.

00:54:21.390 --> 00:54:23.290
Regular audits allow the WSD staff

00:54:23.290 --> 00:54:27.260
to expeditiously address
WSD compliance concerns

00:54:27.260 --> 00:54:30.340
not easily addressed
through the field inspections.

00:54:30.340 --> 00:54:31.820
A key element of the new process

00:54:31.820 --> 00:54:34.790
is expedited timeline
to resolve defects.

00:54:34.790 --> 00:54:37.480
All WMP defects will be categorized

00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:39.840
by severity using the same definitions

00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:42.500
and thresholds as a GO 95 rule 18,

00:54:42.500 --> 00:54:43.930
but we'll have shortened timelines

00:54:43.930 --> 00:54:46.363
to ensure expeditious remediation.

00:54:46.363 --> 00:54:49.140
The new timelines are as follows.

00:54:49.140 --> 00:54:51.520
Severe defects will remain immediate

00:54:51.520 --> 00:54:54.790
or need to be temporarily
repaired to lower risk level.

00:54:54.790 --> 00:54:57.110
Moderate defects within tier three,

00:54:57.110 --> 00:54:58.890
high fire threat districts,

00:54:58.890 --> 00:55:01.340
their resolution timeline
will shorten from six months

00:55:01.340 --> 00:55:02.690
to one to two months.

00:55:02.690 --> 00:55:05.910
Moderate defects in tier two areas,

00:55:05.910 --> 00:55:08.810
will shorten from 12
months to three to six months

00:55:08.810 --> 00:55:10.660
and moderate worker safety defects

00:55:10.660 --> 00:55:13.266
will shorten from 12
months to six months.

00:55:13.266 --> 00:55:15.190
Other moderate defects will shorten

00:55:15.190 --> 00:55:17.370
from 36 months to 12 months.

00:55:17.370 --> 00:55:18.512
And then minor defects,

00:55:18.512 --> 00:55:22.154
will shorten from 60
months down to 12 months.

00:55:22.154 --> 00:55:25.640
With the Commission's
adoption of WSD-012

00:55:25.640 --> 00:55:27.340
at the November 19th meeting,

00:55:27.340 --> 00:55:29.200
the WSD is moving forward to develop

00:55:29.200 --> 00:55:31.470
operational compliance protocols.

00:55:31.470 --> 00:55:33.870
These draft protocols will be circulated

00:55:33.870 --> 00:55:35.423
for stakeholder comments soon.

00:55:36.810 --> 00:55:39.320
Lastly, let me address
our plan transition next year

00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.880
into the office of energy
infrastructure safety.

00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:43.470
Everything we have developed

00:55:43.470 --> 00:55:45.710
as a division has been
developed with an eye

00:55:45.710 --> 00:55:47.883
towards how we would
transfer it to OEIS.

00:55:48.740 --> 00:55:52.250
Where we can, we simply
will move the capability with us.

00:55:52.250 --> 00:55:56.180
For example, all WSD
staff will transfer it to OEIS.

00:55:56.180 --> 00:55:59.560
We will bring our computers,
our phones, our procedures,

00:55:59.560 --> 00:56:01.290
where we can't take it with us,

00:56:01.290 --> 00:56:03.200
we are actively working with CNRA

00:56:03.200 --> 00:56:06.260
to identify replacement
capabilities to meet our needs.

00:56:06.260 --> 00:56:08.080
For example, we will be creating new

00:56:08.080 --> 00:56:10.550
OEIS IT systems and accounts.

00:56:10.550 --> 00:56:12.770
All staff will get new OEIS emails.

00:56:12.770 --> 00:56:15.930
We will have a new OIS
website under the CNRA.

00:56:15.930 --> 00:56:19.320
And lastly, there are
some processes and tools

00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:23.450
that WSD is using that
are distinct to the TUC.

00:56:23.450 --> 00:56:25.930
Where we use something
that doesn't have an equivalent

00:56:25.930 --> 00:56:27.350
over at CNRA,

00:56:27.350 --> 00:56:29.540
we will innovate and
create new capabilities

00:56:29.540 --> 00:56:32.651
designed to meet OEIS
specific needs and missions.

00:56:32.651 --> 00:56:34.160
For example, we are working

00:56:34.160 --> 00:56:35.470
with the Office of Administrative Law

00:56:35.470 --> 00:56:37.920
to identify any necessary OEIS rules

00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:41.290
that need to be worked
through that rule making process.

00:56:41.290 --> 00:56:43.070
There's an unbelievable amount of detail

00:56:43.070 --> 00:56:44.790
behind each of these transition tasks,

00:56:44.790 --> 00:56:46.280
but I won't bore you with here.

00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:48.050
But suffice it to say we are on track

00:56:48.050 --> 00:56:50.833
to successfully transition
by July one of next year.

00:56:50.833 --> 00:56:53.590
So with that, I Thank you
again for the opportunity

00:56:53.590 --> 00:56:56.190
to brief you and welcome
any questions you may have.

00:56:58.250 --> 00:56:59.083
<v ->Thank you, Director.</v>

00:56:59.083 --> 00:57:00.940
We appreciate your presentation

00:57:00.940 --> 00:57:03.670
and the time you took to be here today.

00:57:03.670 --> 00:57:08.180
I do have one question and
it may be overly simplistic

00:57:08.180 --> 00:57:11.670
but how do you relate the activities

00:57:11.670 --> 00:57:15.287
that you undertake in
the wildfire safety division,

00:57:15.287 --> 00:57:17.460
do you have any way
of correlating its impact

00:57:17.460 --> 00:57:19.550
on Public Safety Power Shutoff?

00:57:19.550 --> 00:57:21.400
I mean, I know the
overall goal for all of this

00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:22.330
is to reduce it.

00:57:22.330 --> 00:57:24.970
But is there any
quantification we can use?

00:57:24.970 --> 00:57:25.920
Thank you.

00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:26.753
<v ->Yeah.</v>

00:57:26.753 --> 00:57:28.420
So that goes to the performance metrics.

00:57:28.420 --> 00:57:30.900
So last year was the
first year that we sort

00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:33.255
of introduced a number
of performance metrics

00:57:33.255 --> 00:57:36.200
that we required
the utilities to submit.

00:57:36.200 --> 00:57:38.650
To give us both historical data.

00:57:38.650 --> 00:57:40.470
For example, how many
emissions they've had?

00:57:40.470 --> 00:57:43.090
How many PSPS events have they had?

00:57:43.090 --> 00:57:44.970
And then they have to articulate

00:57:44.970 --> 00:57:49.020
how the different wildfire
mitigation plans or initiatives

00:57:49.020 --> 00:57:50.890
are driving a reduction

00:57:50.890 --> 00:57:54.230
in those performance metrics over time.

00:57:54.230 --> 00:57:57.100
So what we've done is
in the submission for 2021

00:57:57.100 --> 00:58:00.240
is we've continued to refine
those performance metrics

00:58:00.240 --> 00:58:04.030
and with a goal towards
showing how the activities

00:58:04.030 --> 00:58:04.863
that they're doing,

00:58:04.863 --> 00:58:06.710
there a lot of mitigation
activities they're doing.

00:58:06.710 --> 00:58:09.433
Which PSPS is one of
those mitigation activities.

00:58:10.330 --> 00:58:12.730
But as is clearly stated
by the Commission

00:58:12.730 --> 00:58:14.720
and reiterated a number of times,

00:58:14.720 --> 00:58:18.520
should only be used as a
mitigation of last resort, right?

00:58:18.520 --> 00:58:19.547
It should only be
the last very last thing

00:58:19.547 --> 00:58:21.850
they decided to use.

00:58:21.850 --> 00:58:24.460
But how all of those
different mitigation initiatives

00:58:24.460 --> 00:58:28.150
are actually driving a
reduction in the risk of wildfire

00:58:28.150 --> 00:58:30.973
and or the consequences
of wildfire risk.

00:58:34.380 --> 00:58:35.730
<v ->That's good to know.</v>

00:58:35.730 --> 00:58:38.413
We'll have any questions
from the balance of the board.

00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:41.600
Thank you, Director.

00:58:41.600 --> 00:58:43.333
Again we very much appreciate it.

00:58:44.600 --> 00:58:45.440
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:46.340
<v ->All right, then.</v>

00:58:47.797 --> 00:58:52.260
Moving to CAL FIRE.

00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:55.220
I'm pleased to introduce Erick Puckett

00:58:55.220 --> 00:58:58.010
the CAL FIRE Division
Chief in Charge of Utilities

00:58:58.010 --> 00:58:59.570
Fire Mitigation,

00:58:59.570 --> 00:59:03.720
and Thank you to Erick for
taking the time out of your day.

00:59:03.720 --> 00:59:05.420
Please go ahead.

00:59:05.420 --> 00:59:06.260
<v ->Thank you, Chair Edwards.</v>

00:59:06.260 --> 00:59:10.430
It's a pleasure to be
here and it's nice actually

00:59:10.430 --> 00:59:13.660
getting to hear some of the
public comments that came in.

00:59:13.660 --> 00:59:14.730
So my name is Erick Puckett,

00:59:14.730 --> 00:59:17.802
I am an Assistant Chief
in the Utility Fire Mitigation.

00:59:17.802 --> 00:59:22.802
I work closely with the
WSD and Caroline's team.

00:59:23.310 --> 00:59:25.760
So I can, I do have a
very good understanding

00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.230
of the PSPS comments
that have been made.

00:59:30.230 --> 00:59:32.290
I can assure you we're collaboratively

00:59:32.290 --> 00:59:34.700
working on resolutions.

00:59:34.700 --> 00:59:37.425
So I hope to provide
you a little bit of insight

00:59:37.425 --> 00:59:41.660
into what I look at season fire in 2020.

00:59:41.660 --> 00:59:44.400
There are a few important components

00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.733
if we could get, next slide, please.

00:59:52.210 --> 00:59:53.043
One more.

00:59:54.370 --> 00:59:55.310
Thank you.

00:59:55.310 --> 00:59:56.143
Okay.

00:59:56.143 --> 00:59:57.630
So just a few things, weather outlooks.

00:59:57.630 --> 00:59:59.630
We're gonna see how the season started

00:59:59.630 --> 01:00:00.950
and where we think it's gonna go.

01:00:00.950 --> 01:00:04.600
Based on fuel and forecast.

01:00:04.600 --> 01:00:08.730
Can talk about the efforts of
CAL FIRE's fuel reductions.

01:00:08.730 --> 01:00:11.185
You're gonna see the impact of COVID 19.

01:00:11.185 --> 01:00:16.185
To talk about some growth
we had even during this climate,

01:00:17.970 --> 01:00:19.920
this fiscal climate
that were dealing with.

01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:24.920
Some stats that will be in line
with Chief Massone's records

01:00:25.490 --> 01:00:28.010
and then our new CAL FIRE Hawk platform.

01:00:28.010 --> 01:00:29.060
So next slide please.

01:00:35.370 --> 01:00:36.203
Excuse me.

01:00:36.203 --> 01:00:37.757
So we're just gonna kinda start here

01:00:37.757 --> 01:00:39.360
significant fire potential.

01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:43.160
So essentially there's three slides

01:00:43.160 --> 01:00:48.160
and our forecasters monthly
do a four month outlook.

01:00:48.820 --> 01:00:50.960
And so this is we're
gonna go back to June.

01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:52.540
So this was posted in June.

01:00:52.540 --> 01:00:55.490
So the first slide is essentially, June.

01:00:55.490 --> 01:00:57.050
And what you see as a map of,

01:00:57.050 --> 01:00:59.410
I just displayed in Northern California.

01:00:59.410 --> 01:01:02.640
And anything that's red
is significant fire potential.

01:01:02.640 --> 01:01:04.270
So in month of June they identified

01:01:04.270 --> 01:01:06.400
that we had significant fire potential.

01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:10.180
And we actually did have a
large incident in Santa Clara

01:01:11.090 --> 01:01:14.850
that was tied into
essentially this timeline.

01:01:14.850 --> 01:01:16.220
And we get into July and August

01:01:16.220 --> 01:01:18.040
and it kinda moves around a little bit.

01:01:18.040 --> 01:01:20.720
And that's September
where the entire North State

01:01:20.720 --> 01:01:23.180
is essentially in a red

01:01:23.180 --> 01:01:26.590
which indicates a
significant fire potential.

01:01:26.590 --> 01:01:30.123
So a couple of key things
going into this season.

01:01:32.290 --> 01:01:36.800
Most areas were 25 to
70% below average rainfall.

01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:40.930
And this snowpack almost
completely melted off

01:01:40.930 --> 01:01:43.030
weeks ahead of the usual.

01:01:43.030 --> 01:01:44.390
So on top of that,

01:01:44.390 --> 01:01:47.890
we had they anticipated
North-Northeast offshore winds

01:01:47.890 --> 01:01:52.240
will pose a bigger threat of
large fires in June, September.

01:01:52.240 --> 01:01:54.610
So their forecast was almost spot on.

01:01:54.610 --> 01:01:59.210
We started to get a
significant lightning storm

01:01:59.210 --> 01:02:01.950
and as predicted the trend.

01:02:01.950 --> 01:02:05.409
So we're gonna get to the
fire siege here in just a bit.

01:02:05.409 --> 01:02:08.500
So going into from this point forward,

01:02:08.500 --> 01:02:13.140
our focus right now as
far as weather patterns

01:02:13.140 --> 01:02:16.200
is we're looking at,
the next slide, please.

01:02:18.540 --> 01:02:19.373
I'm sorry.

01:02:19.373 --> 01:02:20.765
I'll let you know (indistinct).

01:02:20.765 --> 01:02:22.210
We're looking at South OPS

01:02:22.210 --> 01:02:23.930
four months significant fire potential.

01:02:23.930 --> 01:02:25.600
So the left side is December,

01:02:25.600 --> 01:02:26.990
you can kinda see right down there along

01:02:26.990 --> 01:02:28.140
the coastlines is red,

01:02:28.140 --> 01:02:31.860
and then the picture to
the right is three months,

01:02:31.860 --> 01:02:33.113
January, February, March.

01:02:34.344 --> 01:02:35.890
Still very normal.

01:02:35.890 --> 01:02:38.390
So what we'd like to see is below normal

01:02:38.390 --> 01:02:39.960
that indicates that
there's some more sheer

01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:42.100
that the fuels are reacting.

01:02:42.100 --> 01:02:44.880
So what's key here is that the forecast

01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:48.070
is above normal offshore
wind events in December,

01:02:48.070 --> 01:02:50.820
then near normal offshore wind events

01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:52.490
from January through March.

01:02:52.490 --> 01:02:55.140
So we are seeing that currently.

01:02:55.140 --> 01:02:59.640
So we've had a series of
offshore events stack up

01:02:59.640 --> 01:03:01.950
and continue to hit Southern California.

01:03:01.950 --> 01:03:06.150
And we're currently in the
tail end of an offshore event.

01:03:06.150 --> 01:03:08.000
And it's very likely this weekend,

01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:09.860
we may see an onshore event

01:03:09.860 --> 01:03:13.590
that could be as or near
significant as the events

01:03:13.590 --> 01:03:14.510
that we've seen.

01:03:14.510 --> 01:03:15.460
Next slide, please.

01:03:18.530 --> 01:03:21.020
So this is just a little bit
of supporting evidence

01:03:21.020 --> 01:03:21.853
the top left there,

01:03:21.853 --> 01:03:23.830
your looking at the
state of drought index.

01:03:23.830 --> 01:03:26.670
So you can see almost the entire state

01:03:26.670 --> 01:03:28.590
is in some form of a drought

01:03:28.590 --> 01:03:32.502
other than that Southwest
corner, maybe San Diego.

01:03:32.502 --> 01:03:36.260
Percentage of average
preset way below normal.

01:03:36.260 --> 01:03:39.650
So we're looking at August
1st through November 30th.

01:03:39.650 --> 01:03:42.510
And most of that much
of the state is in red

01:03:42.510 --> 01:03:45.310
which is indicating they
were way below average.

01:03:45.310 --> 01:03:47.930
Now we're gonna look at
more of the potential tier.

01:03:47.930 --> 01:03:51.000
So bottom left December,

01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:52.820
it's sure looking like the temperatures

01:03:52.820 --> 01:03:57.790
are gonna be above normal
and below normal precipitation.

01:03:57.790 --> 01:03:59.620
January very similar,

01:03:59.620 --> 01:04:03.274
February kinda migrates
a little bit but half the state

01:04:03.274 --> 01:04:05.643
is looking warmer than normal.

01:04:06.900 --> 01:04:09.670
And then it's still pretty
dry in the Southern region.

01:04:09.670 --> 01:04:12.060
March, it looks like maybe
a little bit of trend of moisture

01:04:12.060 --> 01:04:13.410
in the North region.

01:04:13.410 --> 01:04:15.880
And in the South, not so much.

01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:20.270
So this is just an
indication December 20th

01:04:20.270 --> 01:04:21.280
through March 21st,

01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:26.030
that in the North this is
just essentially a normal,

01:04:26.030 --> 01:04:28.840
significant large growth prediction.

01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:29.740
Next slide please.

01:04:32.849 --> 01:04:35.807
So CAL FIRE has made tremendous efforts

01:04:35.807 --> 01:04:36.923
and we have very,

01:04:39.870 --> 01:04:43.560
specific goal directed
by the Chief Porter.

01:04:43.560 --> 01:04:44.570
So this is statewide.

01:04:44.570 --> 01:04:48.550
So within a fiscal
year our goal is to burn.

01:04:48.550 --> 01:04:50.990
Broadcast burn 30,000 acres.

01:04:50.990 --> 01:04:54.240
that complete 20,000
acres of fuel treatment

01:04:54.240 --> 01:04:58.070
and complete 250,000 of
defensible space inspection.

01:04:58.070 --> 01:04:58.903
Next slide.

01:05:00.848 --> 01:05:02.970
So I think the takeaway here guys

01:05:02.970 --> 01:05:07.780
is that the real number is when
you look at what we've done

01:05:07.780 --> 01:05:11.300
compared to our goals our
broadcast goals were 30,000.

01:05:11.300 --> 01:05:13.650
We've completed just under 3000.

01:05:13.650 --> 01:05:16.140
So we're looking at 10%.

01:05:16.140 --> 01:05:20.760
Our combined fuel treated acres, 2,900.

01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:21.840
So 14%.

01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:25.310
So the takeaway is that
this has been an extremely

01:05:25.310 --> 01:05:26.308
busy fire season.

01:05:26.308 --> 01:05:29.580
All of our staff have been fully engaged

01:05:29.580 --> 01:05:32.400
and we typically gain the most numbers

01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:37.400
on our fuel reduction in
late fall and in early spring.

01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:41.060
So these aren't alarming numbers

01:05:41.060 --> 01:05:44.380
because we still have a lot
of time to meet those goals.

01:05:44.380 --> 01:05:45.213
Next slide.

01:05:46.705 --> 01:05:48.340
So this one really just focuses

01:05:48.340 --> 01:05:53.060
on our efforts for
defensible space inspections.

01:05:53.060 --> 01:05:55.550
And so each inspection really includes

01:05:55.550 --> 01:05:57.830
a habitable residence.

01:05:57.830 --> 01:06:00.380
So what our department does essentially

01:06:00.380 --> 01:06:03.110
is updates as they go along inspecting

01:06:03.110 --> 01:06:08.110
and you can see what units
are producing the numbers.

01:06:09.230 --> 01:06:11.612
Total our goal is 250,000

01:06:11.612 --> 01:06:15.390
and we are sitting at 104,000 so 41%.

01:06:15.390 --> 01:06:16.830
So again, not alarming,

01:06:16.830 --> 01:06:21.350
but just a good stat to
understand our efforts.

01:06:21.350 --> 01:06:22.183
Next slide.

01:06:23.685 --> 01:06:25.510
So COVID.

01:06:25.510 --> 01:06:30.150
So COVID when we
first got impacted by it.

01:06:30.150 --> 01:06:31.130
It was in March.

01:06:31.130 --> 01:06:34.500
Our department developed
an incident action plan

01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:36.720
and the whole goal was to really,

01:06:36.720 --> 01:06:40.050
to reduce exposures to
keep the workforce working.

01:06:40.050 --> 01:06:41.760
So there was a lot of work put together

01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:43.570
by this incident action plan,

01:06:43.570 --> 01:06:46.080
strict guidance, strict
reporting requirements.

01:06:46.080 --> 01:06:49.530
I think overall our
department did very well

01:06:49.530 --> 01:06:51.810
with reducing the
impact on our personnel.

01:06:51.810 --> 01:06:55.500
So if you go down this list
May and June a few cases,

01:06:55.500 --> 01:06:57.750
July spiked a little bit,

01:06:57.750 --> 01:06:59.657
then August and September really .

01:07:01.410 --> 01:07:03.690
The takeaway here is
that the August, September,

01:07:03.690 --> 01:07:06.130
so the lightning siege
came in August 16th

01:07:06.130 --> 01:07:08.570
and lasts at approximately six weeks.

01:07:08.570 --> 01:07:11.570
Though those were
the two busiest months.

01:07:11.570 --> 01:07:14.850
They're very, the cases are very low.

01:07:14.850 --> 01:07:18.250
So the mitigation efforts that
our incident management teams

01:07:18.250 --> 01:07:23.250
and the units were
actually processing work.

01:07:25.580 --> 01:07:26.480
Next slide please.

01:07:28.710 --> 01:07:31.073
So this is just an indication of,

01:07:32.085 --> 01:07:35.860
you know, the term fire
seasons is used widely

01:07:35.860 --> 01:07:38.317
but we use winter and
summer preparedness.

01:07:38.317 --> 01:07:41.240
And when we're talking
summer preparedness

01:07:41.240 --> 01:07:43.970
we talk peak and off-peak.

01:07:43.970 --> 01:07:47.540
So this is a representation
of peak summer preparedness

01:07:47.540 --> 01:07:50.890
when we have all of our
resources staffed on a daily basis.

01:07:50.890 --> 01:07:53.740
So we're going into peak preparedness

01:07:53.740 --> 01:07:59.440
with 356 fire engines,
196 hand crews,

01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:03.950
58 bulldozers, 23 air
tankers, 12 helicopters,

01:08:03.950 --> 01:08:07.100
at 12 air attacks and six
incident management teams.

01:08:07.100 --> 01:08:08.410
So these incident management teams

01:08:08.410 --> 01:08:13.300
are all risk and they
respond within California

01:08:13.300 --> 01:08:17.290
to essentially any type of emergency.

01:08:17.290 --> 01:08:22.290
So a good example of that is
IMT4 was activated for COVID.

01:08:22.790 --> 01:08:26.583
I think it was March or
maybe February or March.

01:08:27.438 --> 01:08:28.338
Next slide please.

01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:34.680
So again, those IMT's
are not just for wilden fire.

01:08:34.830 --> 01:08:39.260
So what's been going on really

01:08:39.260 --> 01:08:41.310
it's been happening since 2012,

01:08:41.310 --> 01:08:45.950
is we have a declining
number of low risk offenders

01:08:45.950 --> 01:08:49.810
in our camp and correctional facilities.

01:08:49.810 --> 01:08:52.800
So over the last three or four years

01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:57.270
we've essentially declined
our Type 1 fire crews.

01:08:57.270 --> 01:09:00.600
So in October and December at CAL FIRE

01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.070
and California Department of
Corrections and Rehabilitation

01:09:04.070 --> 01:09:08.937
announced that we would be
closing eight conservation camps.

01:09:08.937 --> 01:09:10.800
And those camps are located,

01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.450
they will increase in Mendocino County,

01:09:13.450 --> 01:09:16.540
Devil's garden in Modoc County,

01:09:16.540 --> 01:09:18.560
Iraq Conservation Camp in Humboldt

01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:21.710
and Valley View
Conservation Camp in Glenn.

01:09:21.710 --> 01:09:25.480
In the Southern region you
got baseline Camp in Tuolumne,

01:09:25.480 --> 01:09:28.110
McCain Valley, San Diego,

01:09:28.110 --> 01:09:30.790
Pilot Rock, San Bernardino,

01:09:30.790 --> 01:09:34.370
and Rainbow Conservation
Camp in San Diego.

01:09:34.370 --> 01:09:38.550
So I highlighted that 196 number

01:09:38.550 --> 01:09:41.240
so now we're officially down to 152

01:09:41.240 --> 01:09:42.520
with those camp closures.

01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:46.370
In addition to that while
COVID-19 pandemic

01:09:46.370 --> 01:09:48.270
led to an increase of low risk,

01:09:48.270 --> 01:09:51.270
potential inmate
firefighters being released

01:09:51.270 --> 01:09:54.180
it does not alone account
for the dramatic drop.

01:09:54.180 --> 01:09:59.180
So we've had to come up with mitigation

01:09:59.210 --> 01:10:00.690
for the low crew counts.

01:10:00.690 --> 01:10:01.590
Next slide please.

01:10:04.910 --> 01:10:06.080
So some of the things we used,

01:10:06.080 --> 01:10:08.580
so the California National
Guard Crews were engaged.

01:10:08.580 --> 01:10:12.640
They were engaged in
both of our fuels projects

01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:16.030
and those were the
Governor's 35 fuels projects.

01:10:16.030 --> 01:10:18.740
And then they were
engaged in fire suppression.

01:10:18.740 --> 01:10:22.270
We increased our
dozer staffing in the unit.

01:10:22.270 --> 01:10:25.972
So bulldozers staff, 24
hours, seven days a week.

01:10:25.972 --> 01:10:29.490
We engage our CAL
FIRE fuel reduction crews

01:10:29.490 --> 01:10:33.910
but typically their purpose
is focusing on fuel reduction.

01:10:33.910 --> 01:10:37.620
They were engaged
with fire line assignments,

01:10:37.620 --> 01:10:40.150
increased in CCC crews.

01:10:40.150 --> 01:10:44.070
We had to hire private Type 2 IA crews.

01:10:44.070 --> 01:10:45.370
And then this is a big one down here.

01:10:45.370 --> 01:10:47.100
So firefighter 1 hand crews,

01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:50.390
this is the first year that
we've actually put together

01:10:50.390 --> 01:10:51.480
firefighter 1 hand crews.

01:10:51.480 --> 01:10:56.480
So each unit was funded
to put together one crew.

01:10:58.047 --> 01:11:03.047
We thought we use the tools
that we already had in our unit.

01:11:03.550 --> 01:11:05.480
So we use our existing fire captains.

01:11:05.480 --> 01:11:10.090
We used our existing
crew carrying vehicles,

01:11:10.090 --> 01:11:13.090
in some units we did
have to rent some facilities.

01:11:13.090 --> 01:11:15.640
But the takeaway at
the end of the fire season

01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:18.990
was that they had
experienced leadership,

01:11:18.990 --> 01:11:21.860
they were very motivated
and they're supported by labor.

01:11:21.860 --> 01:11:24.250
So it was a successful model.

01:11:24.250 --> 01:11:25.350
The next slide please.

01:11:27.910 --> 01:11:29.860
So I talking about growth a little bit.

01:11:30.700 --> 01:11:33.764
So this came right at
the end of the fiscal year.

01:11:33.764 --> 01:11:38.370
So this is basically a relief
and augmentation funding.

01:11:38.370 --> 01:11:40.390
So just kinda look at that first line.

01:11:40.390 --> 01:11:42.810
354 seasonal firefighters.

01:11:42.810 --> 01:11:45.850
Those firefighters
were put on hand crews

01:11:45.850 --> 01:11:50.800
and were additional engine staffing.

01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:51.700
Next slide please.

01:11:54.530 --> 01:11:55.363
Okay.

01:11:55.363 --> 01:11:58.160
So we did put into service three

01:11:59.330 --> 01:12:02.450
S-70I Blackhawk helicopters.

01:12:02.450 --> 01:12:04.000
So the department has been working

01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:06.160
for quite some time with this.

01:12:06.160 --> 01:12:09.380
So nine are still to be delivered.

01:12:09.380 --> 01:12:12.690
Expected to be delivered by 2022.

01:12:12.690 --> 01:12:13.523
The first three,

01:12:13.523 --> 01:12:16.430
the first one was a
training spare relief platform

01:12:16.430 --> 01:12:18.500
which is out of Sacramento.

01:12:18.500 --> 01:12:20.070
Vina Helitack out of to Tehema,

01:12:20.070 --> 01:12:23.400
and then 404 out of Columbia.

01:12:23.400 --> 01:12:27.453
So this was interesting to
see these copters at work.

01:12:28.871 --> 01:12:32.210
They increased the tank
capacity from 324 gallons

01:12:32.210 --> 01:12:33.705
to a thousand gallons.

01:12:33.705 --> 01:12:37.190
And they have much faster travel times.

01:12:37.190 --> 01:12:40.570
So I think this first season
was a good exposure

01:12:40.570 --> 01:12:44.703
to the capabilities of
the S-70I Blackhawk.

01:12:45.550 --> 01:12:47.200
One of the big things that is coming

01:12:47.200 --> 01:12:48.280
it hasn't been developed.

01:12:48.280 --> 01:12:50.300
They're working aggressively on that

01:12:50.300 --> 01:12:53.510
is they will have
night flying capabilities.

01:12:53.510 --> 01:12:55.800
I don't think we're
gonna get there this year

01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:58.940
but hopefully around the
corner we'll be successful.

01:12:58.940 --> 01:12:59.773
Next slide.

01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:03.710
So this is where it all began.

01:13:03.710 --> 01:13:06.180
August 16th, early morning,

01:13:06.180 --> 01:13:08.340
rare lightning siege comes through

01:13:10.030 --> 01:13:12.360
approximately 12,000 strikes in a week.

01:13:12.360 --> 01:13:16.670
And of those 12,000
strikes, 650 confirmed fires.

01:13:16.670 --> 01:13:17.503
Next slide.

01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:21.680
So the situation essentially
abundant ignitions,

01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:23.249
record low fuel moistures,

01:13:23.249 --> 01:13:26.890
significant drying post lightning.

01:13:26.890 --> 01:13:28.803
We have continuous red flag warnings,

01:13:30.030 --> 01:13:33.251
extreme drawdown due
to the number of incidents.

01:13:33.251 --> 01:13:36.340
And then our federal
partners are also burning.

01:13:36.340 --> 01:13:38.440
So this isn't on state lands.

01:13:38.440 --> 01:13:40.710
This is on state and
federal and local lands.

01:13:40.710 --> 01:13:41.543
Next slide.

01:13:42.788 --> 01:13:47.430
So CAL FIRE has a goal
of containing 95% of its fires

01:13:47.430 --> 01:13:48.320
for 10 acres or less.

01:13:48.320 --> 01:13:50.599
So we can achieve this goal

01:13:50.599 --> 01:13:55.147
when we keep our initial
attack, resources plentiful.

01:13:56.910 --> 01:14:00.453
So during these events,
the lightning siege,

01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.433
almost all of our
resources were committed.

01:14:06.270 --> 01:14:09.960
Chief Massone was
talking about his resource

01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:11.727
local government that supported that.

01:14:11.727 --> 01:14:14.160
But the one interesting
thing that we see here

01:14:14.160 --> 01:14:16.440
is that during that event,

01:14:16.440 --> 01:14:18.343
we had a lull in new starts.

01:14:19.420 --> 01:14:20.870
I don't have the exact numbers for you,

01:14:20.870 --> 01:14:25.240
but we just started seeing
a little bit of a slowdown

01:14:25.240 --> 01:14:27.193
in initial attack.

01:14:28.060 --> 01:14:29.563
So during that time,

01:14:30.460 --> 01:14:32.530
we were digging as
deep as we could to get

01:14:32.530 --> 01:14:34.070
as many resources on the incidents

01:14:34.070 --> 01:14:36.700
as well as preparing for due incidents.

01:14:36.700 --> 01:14:40.400
So we use a term called
assistance by higher.

01:14:40.400 --> 01:14:43.510
Using local government
resources for station coverage.

01:14:43.510 --> 01:14:44.450
And in my career,

01:14:44.450 --> 01:14:47.300
I've never seen an entire
unit covered by volunteers.

01:14:47.300 --> 01:14:52.100
So those volunteer
firefighters for up to two weeks

01:14:52.100 --> 01:14:53.880
staffed our state stations responding

01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:57.460
to all of our incidents
and did a really good job.

01:14:57.460 --> 01:14:59.280
So during that time,

01:14:59.280 --> 01:15:03.057
all six of our CAL FIRE All
Risk IMT's were activated

01:15:03.057 --> 01:15:06.560
and those were
multi-jurisdictional multi-agency.

01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:10.490
In some cases we would
have two State Teams

01:15:10.490 --> 01:15:13.920
and one or two Fed
Teams on the same incident.

01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:14.753
Next slide.

01:15:16.010 --> 01:15:18.080
So we're gonna go over some stats here.

01:15:18.080 --> 01:15:19.953
So we've been keeping records,

01:15:21.230 --> 01:15:23.480
good record since the thirties.

01:15:23.480 --> 01:15:26.530
So we're looking at the top
20 largest California fires.

01:15:26.530 --> 01:15:30.368
And so everything you see
highlighted is this fire season.

01:15:30.368 --> 01:15:31.940
So we're just gonna go
over a couple of those.

01:15:31.940 --> 01:15:36.600
The August Complex came
from the lightning siege on the 16th

01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:40.920
and they encompass seven counties,

01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:46.610
1,320,000 acres, 935 structures.

01:15:46.610 --> 01:15:49.260
And we bumped down to the SCU Complex,

01:15:49.260 --> 01:15:52.360
same lightning event
covers I think six counties

01:15:52.360 --> 01:15:53.823
almost 400,000 acres.

01:15:53.823 --> 01:15:54.990
And then it goes on.

01:15:54.990 --> 01:15:59.990
So out of the top 20 we now have six

01:16:00.780 --> 01:16:02.600
of the largest California wildfires

01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:04.350
happen in the same season.

01:16:04.350 --> 01:16:05.183
Next slide.

01:16:07.540 --> 01:16:10.390
So this is a comparison
on the left hand side

01:16:10.390 --> 01:16:13.563
you have a campfire,
which 2018 in Butte County,

01:16:14.400 --> 01:16:16.040
then you have the North Complex

01:16:16.040 --> 01:16:17.770
which was this year in Butte County.

01:16:17.770 --> 01:16:20.380
So I just wanted to illustrate
was really the footprint

01:16:20.380 --> 01:16:21.330
of those two fires.

01:16:21.330 --> 01:16:23.610
These fires are effecting

01:16:23.610 --> 01:16:26.090
the communities almost back to back.

01:16:26.090 --> 01:16:27.940
So you have a campfire

01:16:27.940 --> 01:16:32.570
which is still rated as the
most devastating structures.

01:16:32.570 --> 01:16:35.341
Losing 18,804 structures.

01:16:35.341 --> 01:16:37.890
And right next to that the North Complex

01:16:37.890 --> 01:16:42.590
now rates as the fifth largest at 2,352.

01:16:42.590 --> 01:16:45.561
So we're right in this picture.

01:16:45.561 --> 01:16:49.010
You're looking at almost
21,000 structures damaged

01:16:49.010 --> 01:16:50.610
within two years.

01:16:50.610 --> 01:16:53.623
So we go to the right,
this is effect Napa.

01:16:54.910 --> 01:16:57.497
We're looking at the
Tubbs incident, 2017,

01:16:57.497 --> 01:16:59.100
and the Glass incidents.

01:16:59.100 --> 01:17:01.370
And both of these ranked as well.

01:17:01.370 --> 01:17:05.195
So the Tubbs is the number
two most destructive fire,

01:17:05.195 --> 01:17:09.913
destroying 5,636 incidents,
excuse me, structures.

01:17:11.200 --> 01:17:13.210
And then the Glass, which
is right next door happened

01:17:13.210 --> 01:17:17.963
this season just a bit
ago was 1,520 structures.

01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:21.513
So go ahead and next slide please.

01:17:24.010 --> 01:17:25.410
So the two these is the ones

01:17:25.410 --> 01:17:26.960
I was just talking
about North and Glass.

01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:29.510
You can see that the
communities are being affected

01:17:30.360 --> 01:17:33.440
back to back with
large devastating fires.

01:17:33.440 --> 01:17:34.273
Next slide.

01:17:36.470 --> 01:17:39.350
So we're gonna just
look at the deadliest fire.

01:17:39.350 --> 01:17:41.010
So this season number five,

01:17:41.010 --> 01:17:46.010
the North Complex 15
reported deaths and number 16

01:17:47.780 --> 01:17:51.163
the LNU Lightning Complex, six reported.

01:17:52.490 --> 01:17:53.323
Next slide.

01:17:54.530 --> 01:17:56.547
So here's a totality of what fires

01:17:56.547 --> 01:17:58.750
should look like as far as numbers.

01:17:58.750 --> 01:18:02.320
Still CAL FIRE, acres 1,049,987,

01:18:04.250 --> 01:18:08.640
and that was from 7,921 fires.

01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:10.900
CAL FIRE and other partner agencies.

01:18:10.900 --> 01:18:13.470
Cause we put up their logos up there,

01:18:13.470 --> 01:18:17.580
all these agencies
cooperatively work together.

01:18:17.580 --> 01:18:21.910
So in the State of
California this fire season

01:18:21.910 --> 01:18:26.183
for this calendar year 4,177,000 acres,

01:18:27.480 --> 01:18:30.420
9,639 fires, 31 fatalities,

01:18:30.420 --> 01:18:34.653
and 10,488 structures
damaged or destroyed.

01:18:35.830 --> 01:18:40.420
So in comparison walk to the left,

01:18:40.420 --> 01:18:42.890
last year the same interval,

01:18:42.890 --> 01:18:46.760
we have 5,600 fires for 137,000 acres.

01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:49.400
But last year it was a good indication

01:18:49.400 --> 01:18:50.900
we did have a wet winter,

01:18:50.900 --> 01:18:52.817
snowpack, we had good fuel moistures

01:18:52.817 --> 01:18:56.230
and we didn't have the
events that we had this summer.

01:18:56.230 --> 01:18:59.160
So this year's acres are,

01:18:59.160 --> 01:19:02.373
just for CAL FIRE is almost five times.

01:19:03.360 --> 01:19:07.573
So our five-year average is
roughly 5,600 fires per year

01:19:07.573 --> 01:19:10.253
and 446,000 acres.

01:19:12.170 --> 01:19:13.073
Next slide please.

01:19:15.270 --> 01:19:17.120
Okay so.

01:19:17.120 --> 01:19:18.940
I really appreciate the opportunity

01:19:18.940 --> 01:19:21.370
to show some insight of our agency

01:19:21.370 --> 01:19:24.373
and I'm open to any questions
if you may have some.

01:19:26.700 --> 01:19:27.650
<v ->Thank you, chief.</v>

01:19:28.619 --> 01:19:32.840
<v ->I am curious what
other differentiators</v>

01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:37.840
that you see are impacting
the severity of this last season.

01:19:37.970 --> 01:19:40.710
I get the reductions in defensible space

01:19:40.710 --> 01:19:42.380
and I get lightning sieges

01:19:42.380 --> 01:19:45.990
and the fuel load and the weather.

01:19:45.990 --> 01:19:48.493
Are there any other major contributors?

01:19:50.590 --> 01:19:53.320
<v ->No, I think the important thing</v>

01:19:53.320 --> 01:19:55.710
is there's bits and pieces of,

01:19:55.710 --> 01:19:57.440
and it's really it's a combination

01:19:57.440 --> 01:19:59.217
of all those coming together.

01:19:59.217 --> 01:20:04.217
So a reduction in available resources

01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:08.193
due to significant drawdown,
that lightning siege,

01:20:09.350 --> 01:20:11.020
I can't off the top of my head

01:20:11.020 --> 01:20:14.330
really tell you that there
were other significant factors.

01:20:14.330 --> 01:20:16.930
It really, everything came together

01:20:16.930 --> 01:20:20.890
and we were spread
really thin, really fast.

01:20:20.890 --> 01:20:23.650
And given the circumstances
of weather events

01:20:23.650 --> 01:20:26.433
that stacked up behind those ignitions

01:20:28.231 --> 01:20:30.283
it just was kind of a,

01:20:31.460 --> 01:20:33.920
you know, a natural flow.

01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:36.943
So chair, I don't have
a good answer for you.

01:20:38.980 --> 01:20:40.960
<v ->See if I could also,</v>

01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:43.440
you mentioned that
there were a significant

01:20:43.440 --> 01:20:44.690
amount of volunteers.

01:20:44.690 --> 01:20:48.100
In fact, we were staffing two facilities

01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:50.730
with volunteers for
some longer-term period.

01:20:50.730 --> 01:20:52.613
Have we been utilizing,

01:20:53.590 --> 01:20:56.040
and you also mentioned
that conservation camps,

01:20:56.040 --> 01:20:58.090
that there had been some shutdowns.

01:20:58.090 --> 01:21:02.370
Are we still using any
any prison facilities

01:21:02.370 --> 01:21:04.463
or individuals to help fight fires?

01:21:05.530 --> 01:21:07.130
<v ->Yes, absolutely.</v>

01:21:07.130 --> 01:21:11.860
So we the California
Department Corrections

01:21:11.860 --> 01:21:16.010
still provides firefighter
training and physical training

01:21:16.010 --> 01:21:18.640
for inmates that meet the criteria

01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:21.670
to be on our Type 1 hand crews.

01:21:21.670 --> 01:21:25.610
So that is still existing
and they are still processing

01:21:25.610 --> 01:21:27.620
and training and delivering folks

01:21:27.620 --> 01:21:29.613
into our conservation camps.

01:21:31.650 --> 01:21:32.483
<v ->Okay.</v>

01:21:32.483 --> 01:21:35.790
And my last question,
and this is really connected

01:21:35.790 --> 01:21:38.620
to the question immediately prior.

01:21:38.620 --> 01:21:40.850
I had heard purely anecdotally,

01:21:40.850 --> 01:21:45.020
that even when some of these
inmates had done their time

01:21:45.020 --> 01:21:47.070
and been restored to society,

01:21:47.070 --> 01:21:50.720
that their past history
despite all this fire training

01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:52.310
was not allowing them

01:21:52.310 --> 01:21:55.413
then to join the various fire services.

01:21:56.438 --> 01:21:57.830
Do you have any comment on that?

01:21:57.830 --> 01:22:01.113
Or is that anecdotal
information accurate?

01:22:02.130 --> 01:22:04.530
<v ->Well, I think I can
speak for our agency.</v>

01:22:04.530 --> 01:22:06.490
I have also heard the same.

01:22:06.490 --> 01:22:08.810
I can tell you that that CAL FIRE

01:22:08.810 --> 01:22:10.663
or the State of California HR,

01:22:12.890 --> 01:22:14.950
we go through an
application process annually

01:22:14.950 --> 01:22:17.810
for firefighter 1, that
opens up in November

01:22:17.810 --> 01:22:20.720
and essentially it's a scoring process.

01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:25.720
And so those incarcerated
inmates that have been released

01:22:26.100 --> 01:22:27.860
do meet certain criteria

01:22:27.860 --> 01:22:32.540
to get ranked and hireable
on our firefighter 1 hiring list.

01:22:32.540 --> 01:22:37.540
So they have an opportunity
to come into CAL FIRE.

01:22:38.650 --> 01:22:41.300
And actually there were several folks

01:22:41.300 --> 01:22:43.994
that I know that are within our agency

01:22:43.994 --> 01:22:48.220
that have had a incarcerated background

01:22:48.220 --> 01:22:50.620
and are now doing very
successful in our agency.

01:22:52.350 --> 01:22:53.510
<v ->Oh, that's excellent, chief.</v>

01:22:53.510 --> 01:22:54.990
Thank you for sharing.

01:22:54.990 --> 01:22:57.653
I believe a board member
Block has a question.

01:23:00.430 --> 01:23:02.070
<v Block>Hi, Thank you
for your presentation.</v>

01:23:02.070 --> 01:23:03.157
Really appreciated it.

01:23:03.157 --> 01:23:04.723
And this has been an immense year,

01:23:04.723 --> 01:23:08.900
I wanna Thank you and CAL
FIRE for all you were able to do.

01:23:08.900 --> 01:23:12.400
Can you tell us a little
bit about CAL FIRE's role

01:23:12.400 --> 01:23:16.410
in fuel management and
the long-term into the future

01:23:16.410 --> 01:23:20.070
in particular with the
conifer forest part of the State

01:23:20.070 --> 01:23:21.313
in Northern California?

01:23:23.490 --> 01:23:25.840
<v ->You know, that
was one of the topics</v>

01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:28.580
I was talking to Jamie.

01:23:28.580 --> 01:23:31.900
Excuse me, Jamie
about was my focus works

01:23:31.900 --> 01:23:33.860
in the utility fire mitigation.

01:23:33.860 --> 01:23:35.550
So unfortunately I'm not the guy

01:23:35.550 --> 01:23:37.857
that has all the answers.
<v Block>Right.</v>

01:23:37.857 --> 01:23:39.920
<v Erick>We do play
a significant role</v>

01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:42.710
in the state's efforts on private lands

01:23:42.710 --> 01:23:43.543
for fuel reduction.

01:23:43.543 --> 01:23:45.920
I can't speak on behalf
of this specific forest

01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:48.270
that you're mentioning,
but we do, you know,

01:23:48.270 --> 01:23:51.640
I shared with you some of
those fuel reduction goals

01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:56.357
and we are gearing up
the last couple of years

01:23:56.357 --> 01:23:57.710
and we have a lot of momentum.

01:23:57.710 --> 01:24:01.120
We are streamlining
our project processes.

01:24:01.120 --> 01:24:03.870
I heard a complaint that
it does take some time

01:24:03.870 --> 01:24:06.010
to get through NEPA and CEQA.

01:24:06.010 --> 01:24:07.950
Our agency is working closely

01:24:07.950 --> 01:24:09.180
with all the other agencies

01:24:09.180 --> 01:24:12.060
that are involved with fuels projects.

01:24:12.060 --> 01:24:14.960
And we're becoming successful
with reducing the timeline

01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:18.480
and the lag that that
we're all kind of in tune with.

01:24:18.480 --> 01:24:23.480
So our department has
made drastic improvements

01:24:23.540 --> 01:24:27.210
and have met some of our recent,

01:24:27.210 --> 01:24:29.150
have met our previous year goals

01:24:29.150 --> 01:24:32.173
and will continue to be a
focus of our agency's efforts.

01:24:33.900 --> 01:24:34.924
<v Block>Great.</v>

01:24:34.924 --> 01:24:35.757
Thank you.

01:24:35.757 --> 01:24:37.880
I thought that might be your answer.

01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:38.960
(Erick chuckles)

01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:42.810
I have a assumption that many
of my fellow board members

01:24:42.810 --> 01:24:47.640
who aren't totally educated
on how fuels are managed

01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:50.770
throughout the state and
what we can learn more.

01:24:50.770 --> 01:24:54.130
So I may reach out for
resources or contacts

01:24:54.130 --> 01:24:56.150
from you later offline.

01:24:56.150 --> 01:24:57.400
Thank you.

01:24:57.400 --> 01:24:58.990
<v Erick>Yeah, I'll
certainly help get you</v>

01:24:58.990 --> 01:25:01.240
in contact with the right person.

01:25:01.240 --> 01:25:02.073
<v Block>Great.</v>

01:25:02.073 --> 01:25:02.906
Thanks.

01:25:02.906 --> 01:25:03.790
Thanks for your time.

01:25:03.790 --> 01:25:05.013
<v Erick>You're welcome.</v>

01:25:05.013 --> 01:25:06.700
<v ->Thank you, board member Block.</v>

01:25:06.700 --> 01:25:08.200
And I think your fellow board members

01:25:08.200 --> 01:25:11.060
would actually be very appreciative

01:25:11.060 --> 01:25:13.220
if you would share
some of that information.

01:25:13.220 --> 01:25:16.720
It is certainly not as
strong suit of mine

01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.910
and I'd be very Thankful for that.

01:25:20.910 --> 01:25:22.133
And Thank you, chief.

01:25:23.390 --> 01:25:26.972
I don't see any more
questions at this time.

01:25:26.972 --> 01:25:31.843
So with that, I'm going to
turn it over to Jamie Ormond.

01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:38.053
<v ->Thank you.</v>

01:25:38.053 --> 01:25:39.160
Can you hear me.

01:25:39.160 --> 01:25:40.860
I'm off mute.

01:25:40.860 --> 01:25:42.030
Okay.

01:25:42.030 --> 01:25:44.640
Now is the time for the stretch break.

01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:47.090
If you could go to
the next slide, please.

01:25:47.090 --> 01:25:48.570
We are gonna take a stretch break.

01:25:48.570 --> 01:25:50.414
15 minutes.

01:25:50.414 --> 01:25:53.130
We'll come back at 2:45,

01:25:53.130 --> 01:25:55.360
if that works for the chair.

01:25:55.360 --> 01:25:56.710
Chair, does that meet

01:25:56.710 --> 01:25:58.970
your timing preference?
<v ->It's fine.</v>

01:25:58.970 --> 01:25:59.960
<v ->Perfect.</v>

01:25:59.960 --> 01:26:02.730
So we're gonna reconvene at 2:45.

01:26:02.730 --> 01:26:06.970
Could we please
stand up, stretch it out.

01:26:06.970 --> 01:26:10.340
Turn off your video, mute your phone,

01:26:10.340 --> 01:26:13.603
get the blood flowing,
get some more water.

01:26:14.870 --> 01:26:19.870
You'll return at 2:45 for
the next part of the meeting.

01:26:20.540 --> 01:26:21.600
Thank you very much.

01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:23.170
Enjoy the stretch break.

01:26:23.170 --> 01:26:25.600
Thank you very much to our presenters.

01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:29.843
We'll see you back here at 2:45.

01:26:29.843 --> 01:26:30.820
2:45.

01:26:30.820 --> 01:26:31.923
We'll see you then.

01:26:31.923 --> 01:26:33.550
Mute your phone.

01:26:33.550 --> 01:26:35.520
Turn off your video.

01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:36.963
We'll see you at 2:45.

01:26:38.290 --> 01:26:39.123
<v ->Thank you (indistinct).</v>

01:26:39.123 --> 01:26:40.520
<v Operator>We'll begin momentarily.</v>

01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:41.920
Thank you for your patience.

01:26:46.306 --> 01:26:49.550
<v ->I hope you all made
very good use of it.</v>

01:26:49.550 --> 01:26:54.050
And as somewhat of a
coda to the discussion we had

01:26:54.050 --> 01:26:59.050
with the municipal and the co-op
community on November 19th

01:26:59.900 --> 01:27:03.010
I'd like to welcome back the speakers,

01:27:03.010 --> 01:27:04.850
Jessica Nelson, the General Manager

01:27:04.850 --> 01:27:06.840
of Golden State Power Co-op.

01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:08.860
Barry Moline, Executive Director

01:27:08.860 --> 01:27:11.850
of California Municipal
Utilities Association.

01:27:11.850 --> 01:27:16.400
Scott Tomashefsky, Northern
California Power Agency.

01:27:16.400 --> 01:27:17.560
And Mario DeBernardo,

01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:20.563
Southern California
Public Power Authority.

01:27:23.060 --> 01:27:26.650
See we do appreciate
your continued participation.

01:27:26.650 --> 01:27:28.520
A few introductory remarks.

01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:30.160
If you bear with me.

01:27:30.160 --> 01:27:33.523
We received public comments
from the Joint Associations

01:27:33.523 --> 01:27:38.167
from the organization, CMU,
NCPA, SCPPA and GSPC.

01:27:39.820 --> 01:27:41.500
We also receive public comment

01:27:41.500 --> 01:27:46.500
from SMUD, DWP, Grid
Subject Matter Experts.

01:27:47.300 --> 01:27:49.160
Comments were quite
useful in understanding

01:27:49.160 --> 01:27:50.930
the challenges that POUs face,

01:27:50.930 --> 01:27:53.170
the difficulty they also face

01:27:53.170 --> 01:27:55.170
with any due reporting process.

01:27:55.170 --> 01:27:59.250
I think what I gleaned from
comments is that the POUs

01:27:59.250 --> 01:28:02.320
at the end of the day wanna
protect their resources,

01:28:02.320 --> 01:28:03.975
not affect customer rates,

01:28:03.975 --> 01:28:06.670
at the same time they're
also very concerned

01:28:06.670 --> 01:28:08.300
with focusing their efforts on the work

01:28:08.300 --> 01:28:11.400
of wildfire mitigation
and not on anything

01:28:11.400 --> 01:28:15.113
that they to them appear to
be extraneous to that effort.

01:28:16.820 --> 01:28:19.050
So I mentioned they're concerned

01:28:19.050 --> 01:28:20.450
about protecting their customers

01:28:20.450 --> 01:28:23.170
from any of the catastrophic
consequences of wildfire

01:28:23.170 --> 01:28:26.109
particularly utility ignited wildfires.

01:28:26.109 --> 01:28:28.260
And from our standpoint,

01:28:28.260 --> 01:28:30.900
that's a good thing because
that's the same mission

01:28:30.900 --> 01:28:33.033
that this advisory board has been given.

01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:36.050
And because of our unique relationship

01:28:36.050 --> 01:28:38.960
with the publicly owned
utilities and co-ops

01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:43.194
and that being that we
play an advisory role to them

01:28:43.194 --> 01:28:45.890
we thought it was important
to respond to their comments,

01:28:45.890 --> 01:28:50.090
and those responses were
included in attachment two.

01:28:50.090 --> 01:28:52.240
We do in fact, hope
that they were helpful.

01:28:54.400 --> 01:28:55.920
The legislature, excuse me,

01:28:55.920 --> 01:29:00.200
created this board to ensure
a broad expertise is available

01:29:00.200 --> 01:29:02.250
to help develop best practices

01:29:02.250 --> 01:29:04.310
for wildfire reduction.

01:29:04.310 --> 01:29:05.940
The board is just beginning a process

01:29:05.940 --> 01:29:08.870
of developing recommendations
on best practices.

01:29:08.870 --> 01:29:12.600
There are some here in our
guidance advisory opinion.

01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:15.520
We were tasked with reviewing
all of the plans submitted

01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:19.100
by the POUs and co-ops
in commenting on the quote,

01:29:19.100 --> 01:29:20.770
content and sufficiency

01:29:20.770 --> 01:29:23.870
of the wildfire mitigation
plans then quote.

01:29:23.870 --> 01:29:25.940
The board is required
to provide comments

01:29:25.940 --> 01:29:28.830
as well as our advisory opinions.

01:29:28.830 --> 01:29:30.070
The legislation details

01:29:30.070 --> 01:29:31.710
which should be included in the plan

01:29:31.710 --> 01:29:34.420
and the board focused
interview in these areas.

01:29:34.420 --> 01:29:37.143
These requirements are
included in attachment one.

01:29:37.980 --> 01:29:40.300
Because this is the board's first round

01:29:40.300 --> 01:29:43.820
of publicly owned utility
wildfire mitigation plan

01:29:43.820 --> 01:29:45.920
we thought it important
to provide information

01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:47.570
about how we believe each POU

01:29:47.570 --> 01:29:49.883
can best meet these
statutory requirements.

01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:54.180
This is why the advice
in this advisory opinion

01:29:54.180 --> 01:29:56.910
mostly lays out the type of information

01:29:56.910 --> 01:29:59.960
that we believe are
needed to meet the statute.

01:29:59.960 --> 01:30:02.510
It's frankly, it's more
than that though.

01:30:02.510 --> 01:30:04.320
The WMP tell a story

01:30:04.320 --> 01:30:07.290
about the POU's
wildfire mitigation efforts.

01:30:07.290 --> 01:30:09.010
And in this guidance advisory opinion

01:30:09.010 --> 01:30:12.049
we explain the ways that this story

01:30:12.049 --> 01:30:16.780
could be communicated
better in certain areas

01:30:16.780 --> 01:30:18.240
such that a broader audience

01:30:18.240 --> 01:30:21.300
could in fact better understand.

01:30:21.300 --> 01:30:23.540
Again this is a guidance document

01:30:23.540 --> 01:30:26.370
and we understand that it
explained the information we want,

01:30:26.370 --> 01:30:28.800
doesn't necessarily show it.

01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:30.790
What we're hoping to
do is that we can work

01:30:30.790 --> 01:30:33.840
with your organizations to
create more detailed guidelines

01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:36.550
that utilities can use to consider

01:30:36.550 --> 01:30:41.453
when updating their WMP
for the 2021 filing submission.

01:30:42.861 --> 01:30:43.694
All right.

01:30:43.694 --> 01:30:45.500
So I'm opening up the discussion now

01:30:45.500 --> 01:30:49.020
to the muni and co-op
representatives a few questions.

01:30:49.020 --> 01:30:50.480
You don't need to answer them in order

01:30:50.480 --> 01:30:53.233
or if they're contained in
your comments, that's fine.

01:30:54.380 --> 01:30:56.420
Do you think the guidance document,

01:30:56.420 --> 01:30:58.244
at least, this initial one starts to pay

01:30:58.244 --> 01:31:00.410
the clear path forward?

01:31:00.410 --> 01:31:01.690
What do you see your next steps

01:31:01.690 --> 01:31:04.420
in creating more detailed guidelines

01:31:04.420 --> 01:31:08.800
and what else would you
like the board to consider?

01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:12.540
I think with that, I'll
start with Barry Moline,

01:31:12.540 --> 01:31:14.970
Executive Director of CMUA.

01:31:14.970 --> 01:31:16.624
Fair?

01:31:16.624 --> 01:31:18.866
<v ->Oh, well Thank
you, Chair Edwards.</v>

01:31:18.866 --> 01:31:22.644
The answer is yes, it does.

01:31:22.644 --> 01:31:25.330
The answer to that question directly,

01:31:25.330 --> 01:31:28.730
it does provide, you know,

01:31:28.730 --> 01:31:30.607
a good, some great feedback

01:31:30.607 --> 01:31:33.923
on where the board is clearly and,

01:31:34.900 --> 01:31:36.120
you know, the general direction

01:31:36.120 --> 01:31:38.090
of what you'd like to see going forward.

01:31:38.090 --> 01:31:41.440
And I think it opens a dialogue in terms

01:31:41.440 --> 01:31:45.730
of the kinds of things
that you're seeking

01:31:45.730 --> 01:31:48.740
and the kind of things
that that would make sense

01:31:48.740 --> 01:31:50.058
in our communities.

01:31:50.058 --> 01:31:54.300
So we see this as an iterative process.

01:31:54.300 --> 01:31:56.493
We're gonna be doing this for,

01:31:57.525 --> 01:31:59.190
I don't know if I'd say forever,

01:31:59.190 --> 01:32:02.600
but this is something that we believe

01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:05.110
that is gonna go on
for quite a long time.

01:32:05.110 --> 01:32:07.907
So, you know, this is the first stage

01:32:07.907 --> 01:32:10.537
of this iterative process.

01:32:10.537 --> 01:32:15.000
You asked the question
what we would like to see

01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:17.440
changed in particular?

01:32:17.440 --> 01:32:18.739
Correct?

01:32:18.739 --> 01:32:21.280
<v ->Mm hm.</v>
<v ->And I can identify</v>

01:32:21.280 --> 01:32:24.853
two items specifically,

01:32:27.917 --> 01:32:32.020
and not to garner the attention

01:32:32.020 --> 01:32:33.040
from my fellow panelists,

01:32:33.040 --> 01:32:35.520
but what we have communicated

01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:38.340
and this is something
that we all agree on.

01:32:38.340 --> 01:32:43.340
So the first item is we ask
that the guidance reflect

01:32:44.860 --> 01:32:48.400
the fact that per the statute

01:32:48.400 --> 01:32:49.360
and this is of course, as you know,

01:32:49.360 --> 01:32:52.200
in the finalization of the
guidance recommendation.

01:32:52.200 --> 01:32:56.210
That as the guidance
reflects the statute

01:32:56.210 --> 01:32:59.980
that the comprehensive
wildfire management plans

01:32:59.980 --> 01:33:04.300
that the updates be prepared
at least every three years.

01:33:04.300 --> 01:33:08.733
So that would correlate with statute.

01:33:09.587 --> 01:33:13.340
And we also ask that
there be some recognition

01:33:13.340 --> 01:33:15.370
that the independent evaluation

01:33:15.370 --> 01:33:17.890
also be done in instances

01:33:17.890 --> 01:33:20.370
where there's a comprehensive change

01:33:20.370 --> 01:33:23.000
to the wildfire management plan,

01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:27.130
not so much as just an annual
update with minor changes,

01:33:27.130 --> 01:33:29.720
but when there's a comprehensive change

01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:33.573
and we know that has to
take place every three years.

01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:38.570
So we would like this
clarification be included

01:33:38.570 --> 01:33:41.790
in the guidances if possible.

01:33:41.790 --> 01:33:44.600
You know, we see
that kind of potentially

01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:47.956
being included in somewhere and page,

01:33:47.956 --> 01:33:50.103
I don't know, II or III.

01:33:51.400 --> 01:33:54.370
You know, upfront in
the introductory materials

01:33:54.370 --> 01:33:56.118
before the recommendation.

01:33:56.118 --> 01:34:01.118
And then the second item is regarding

01:34:01.180 --> 01:34:06.640
recommendation number
two, which is on page three.

01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:11.640
And that is just a minor
modification to the nomenclature.

01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:15.787
Just the words that are used there.

01:34:15.787 --> 01:34:20.787
The words talk about the concerns

01:34:21.020 --> 01:34:23.420
about the budget mechanism.

01:34:23.420 --> 01:34:27.198
And we would prefer to focus on funding

01:34:27.198 --> 01:34:29.060
for the wildfire management plan

01:34:29.060 --> 01:34:33.760
and wildfire management
activities rather than budget.

01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:37.550
And the reason why is that
the plans and the activities

01:34:37.550 --> 01:34:40.509
are part of a much
larger budget for the utility,

01:34:40.509 --> 01:34:45.509
not just and wildfire activities
are just a segment of that.

01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:49.800
I mean, we're talking
things like power supply

01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:54.490
and delivery of power and so on.

01:34:54.490 --> 01:34:58.720
So granted wildfire issues
do cross cut a variety of those,

01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:01.815
nevertheless we would like the wording

01:35:01.815 --> 01:35:05.853
to focus on funding rather than budget.

01:35:06.750 --> 01:35:08.680
And we have some suggested language

01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:09.880
that we can give to you,

01:35:10.930 --> 01:35:12.200
you know, after this meeting

01:35:12.200 --> 01:35:14.628
so that and it's just relatively simple.

01:35:14.628 --> 01:35:19.563
So those are basically
our two recommendations

01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:23.623
for the changes to the guidance.

01:35:25.360 --> 01:35:26.193
<v ->Okay.</v>

01:35:27.490 --> 01:35:31.100
And certainly as we go
through some of the commentary

01:35:31.100 --> 01:35:33.660
from all of the agencies,
I encourage the board,

01:35:33.660 --> 01:35:37.350
if you have follow-up
questions or inquiries,

01:35:37.350 --> 01:35:40.570
I have a couple on
what you just said Barry.

01:35:40.570 --> 01:35:44.710
With respect to the statute
in the every three years,

01:35:44.710 --> 01:35:46.480
I think everyone agreed.

01:35:46.480 --> 01:35:50.670
I think this meeting also
is part of the public record.

01:35:50.670 --> 01:35:55.670
So I think the interest
in looking at 2021

01:35:58.160 --> 01:36:03.160
was to arrive more rapidly
at a structure or template

01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:06.089
that the muni and co-op community,

01:36:06.089 --> 01:36:09.080
as well as the board agreed,

01:36:09.080 --> 01:36:11.510
provided the necessary information

01:36:11.510 --> 01:36:16.510
such that then we can translate
to doing incremental reviews

01:36:18.430 --> 01:36:19.620
of each of the agencies.

01:36:19.620 --> 01:36:21.170
Which we did not do this time.

01:36:21.170 --> 01:36:22.373
In which was surfaced.

01:36:23.300 --> 01:36:25.470
But I think without a clear agreement

01:36:25.470 --> 01:36:27.543
on the the communication path forward,

01:36:27.543 --> 01:36:29.734
the meaning of certain things,

01:36:29.734 --> 01:36:32.280
I think it would have been problematic.

01:36:32.280 --> 01:36:35.510
So I think that's what
the focus was on 2021,

01:36:35.510 --> 01:36:37.410
is just starting to narrow down

01:36:37.410 --> 01:36:40.282
so that when we go to
a three-year iteration,

01:36:40.282 --> 01:36:43.643
it's more sensical to both sides.

01:36:44.890 --> 01:36:47.550
Secondly, with regard to
your comment on the IEs,

01:36:47.550 --> 01:36:50.093
am not one to create
the permanent employee,

01:36:50.093 --> 01:36:52.740
you know, Permanent
Employment Act for IEs.

01:36:52.740 --> 01:36:56.010
I'm not interested in them
rubber stamping a report

01:36:56.010 --> 01:36:59.400
every year and changing two words in it.

01:36:59.400 --> 01:37:00.985
So what I do wanna ensure

01:37:00.985 --> 01:37:04.840
though is our view
from initially from the IEs,

01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:06.230
and board members, again,

01:37:06.230 --> 01:37:09.210
interrupt me if you do not concur

01:37:09.210 --> 01:37:10.933
or have additional questions.

01:37:12.070 --> 01:37:15.520
My interpretation was that
the IEs were to be additive.

01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:19.600
They were intended
to bring best practices

01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:22.322
from sometimes their broader view

01:37:22.322 --> 01:37:26.250
of the landscape with
municipal and co-op

01:37:26.250 --> 01:37:30.047
such that they would then be
advantageous to the agency

01:37:30.047 --> 01:37:34.377
who they were writing
their analysis for.

01:37:34.377 --> 01:37:36.401
And my concern is there might
be something that comes up

01:37:36.401 --> 01:37:39.310
that's very cool that
the utility will never

01:37:39.310 --> 01:37:43.780
become aware of without potentially

01:37:43.780 --> 01:37:46.480
doing the IE evaluations.

01:37:46.480 --> 01:37:47.940
Somewhat more frequently.

01:37:47.940 --> 01:37:50.755
So we can caveat that too to include

01:37:50.755 --> 01:37:55.070
maybe just a partial
review of some of the new

01:37:55.070 --> 01:37:56.820
and upcoming best practices

01:37:56.820 --> 01:38:00.330
and maybe answer it in
a more narrow fashion.

01:38:00.330 --> 01:38:05.330
So we don't launch this broad
multiple iterations of review.

01:38:06.040 --> 01:38:08.820
The last thing you
brought up was funding.

01:38:08.820 --> 01:38:10.920
I understand that no one,

01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:13.280
even though much of
the information is public

01:38:13.280 --> 01:38:16.503
because it's transferred
between the city agencies

01:38:16.503 --> 01:38:20.260
and the utilities themselves
which respect to budget.

01:38:20.260 --> 01:38:24.690
I don't think we were looking
for some holistic evaluation

01:38:24.690 --> 01:38:26.720
necessarily the budget as a whole,

01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:30.850
because it's difficult enough
for people to understand

01:38:30.850 --> 01:38:34.113
let alone for people who
are three or four clicks back.

01:38:34.113 --> 01:38:36.900
I think the question we
were attempting to answer

01:38:36.900 --> 01:38:38.940
and again, board members,

01:38:38.940 --> 01:38:41.320
I think the question we
were attempting to answer

01:38:41.320 --> 01:38:44.470
is what in fact was the funding?

01:38:44.470 --> 01:38:46.620
To use your term.

01:38:46.620 --> 01:38:49.660
And how were people in the hierarchy

01:38:49.660 --> 01:38:53.170
then made aware at the
conclusion of that funding year,

01:38:53.170 --> 01:38:54.870
did that work get done?

01:38:54.870 --> 01:38:58.170
Or were those dollars appropriated
and moved somewhere else?

01:38:58.170 --> 01:39:01.180
Which happens in any and all budgets.

01:39:01.180 --> 01:39:04.470
But I think the concern
we had is if you commit

01:39:04.470 --> 01:39:09.470
to do X amount of miles
of fire resistant conductor

01:39:10.700 --> 01:39:13.712
or change out certain
equipment on transmission lines

01:39:13.712 --> 01:39:15.667
and you set that goal,

01:39:15.667 --> 01:39:17.830
what's the methodology to ensure

01:39:17.830 --> 01:39:20.108
that goal is being accomplished?

01:39:20.108 --> 01:39:22.854
Or just so that your own
decision makers are aware

01:39:22.854 --> 01:39:26.450
that it wasn't accomplished
and the money was reallocated.

01:39:26.450 --> 01:39:28.420
I think that was really the interest

01:39:28.420 --> 01:39:33.050
not in boring into the
individual budgets.

01:39:33.050 --> 01:39:34.980
I wanna stop right now and make sure

01:39:34.980 --> 01:39:36.500
I check the temperature of the board

01:39:36.500 --> 01:39:39.530
in that no one has any
strong disagreements

01:39:39.530 --> 01:39:42.563
with anything I said or
needs to add to it at all.

01:39:44.340 --> 01:39:45.173
Okay.

01:39:45.173 --> 01:39:49.060
At the very end of hearing
from all of the participants

01:39:49.060 --> 01:39:53.260
where I haven't gotten
feedback from the board,

01:39:53.260 --> 01:39:55.910
I'm gonna surface some which to me

01:39:55.910 --> 01:39:59.060
are largely ministerial adjustments

01:39:59.060 --> 01:40:01.100
and we can take the
temperature of the board

01:40:01.100 --> 01:40:02.740
in that fashion.

01:40:02.740 --> 01:40:04.370
Barry, do you have any other comments

01:40:04.370 --> 01:40:05.443
or can I move on?

01:40:06.870 --> 01:40:09.810
<v ->Well, very briefly.</v>

01:40:09.810 --> 01:40:11.490
One is I didn't get a chance to say

01:40:11.490 --> 01:40:15.360
how much we appreciate
the board's engagement

01:40:15.360 --> 01:40:16.320
in this process.

01:40:16.320 --> 01:40:19.428
We know that it was a major undertaking

01:40:19.428 --> 01:40:23.468
and looking at about 50 agencies plans.

01:40:23.468 --> 01:40:27.010
So we definitely
appreciate everyone's time,

01:40:27.010 --> 01:40:30.940
attention and expertise in
pulling together the guidance.

01:40:30.940 --> 01:40:34.672
I mean, that was, so
Thank you all for that.

01:40:34.672 --> 01:40:35.930
<v ->We appreciate that.</v>

01:40:35.930 --> 01:40:38.110
Believe me, after reading three IOUs

01:40:38.110 --> 01:40:43.096
and then being faced with over
50 municipal and co-op plans,

01:40:43.096 --> 01:40:45.870
it was something that kept
us up for a number of evenings

01:40:45.870 --> 01:40:46.970
but I appreciate that.

01:40:48.060 --> 01:40:48.942
<v ->Good.</v>
<v ->Thought I'd like</v>

01:40:48.942 --> 01:40:51.050
to hear from-- Oh,
excuse me, Barry.

01:40:51.050 --> 01:40:53.433
I stepped-- <v ->And I
was just gonna say,</v>

01:40:53.433 --> 01:40:55.500
there were several changes
that in our comments

01:40:55.500 --> 01:40:58.230
you did adopt and in preparing

01:40:58.230 --> 01:40:59.940
this next round of the guidance

01:40:59.940 --> 01:41:02.200
and we appreciate you taking up those.

01:41:02.200 --> 01:41:04.656
So, you know, one
thing that you mentioned

01:41:04.656 --> 01:41:07.610
about best practices is something

01:41:07.610 --> 01:41:11.910
that we want to engage
or we will be engaging

01:41:11.910 --> 01:41:14.420
with all of our members in identifying

01:41:14.420 --> 01:41:16.520
what those best
practices are and sharing

01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:18.287
<v ->In the association.</v>
<v ->Of those next part</v>

01:41:18.287 --> 01:41:19.490
of what we do.

01:41:19.490 --> 01:41:21.867
Yeah as an association.
<v ->Okay.</v>

01:41:21.867 --> 01:41:24.352
<v ->So we will be doing that.</v>

01:41:24.352 --> 01:41:28.003
And even things like the
templates that you talked about.

01:41:28.842 --> 01:41:30.080
That are in the guidance,

01:41:30.080 --> 01:41:32.490
we wanna continue to work with the board

01:41:32.490 --> 01:41:36.370
and staff on developing
the right kind of templates

01:41:36.370 --> 01:41:41.040
that make your review
easier for the next round.

01:41:41.040 --> 01:41:43.730
<v ->Easier and more meaningful.</v>

01:41:43.730 --> 01:41:45.510
This is a very unusual board.

01:41:45.510 --> 01:41:50.310
You don't see a group of
industry experts assembled.

01:41:50.310 --> 01:41:52.820
We are not regulators.

01:41:52.820 --> 01:41:55.230
There are people on this
board who have a depth of field

01:41:55.230 --> 01:41:57.700
in their area that I can't even touch.

01:41:57.700 --> 01:42:00.740
And so I think it's very important

01:42:00.740 --> 01:42:04.280
to be able to solicit their feedback.

01:42:04.280 --> 01:42:07.130
The vice chair has a quick
question for you, Barry.

01:42:07.130 --> 01:42:08.083
Vice Chair Fellman.

01:42:09.910 --> 01:42:10.743
<v ->Yes.</v>

01:42:10.743 --> 01:42:15.150
Thanks Barry for and
everyone for your cooperation.

01:42:15.150 --> 01:42:18.550
And I just wanted to
tee off the last remarks

01:42:19.410 --> 01:42:21.420
and actually where you started,

01:42:21.420 --> 01:42:25.470
which is we see this as
the opening of the dialogue.

01:42:25.470 --> 01:42:27.760
So I guess maybe it's going to end up

01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:29.714
being more of a
statement than a question,

01:42:29.714 --> 01:42:34.714
but and I particularly appreciate
you acknowledging here

01:42:37.040 --> 01:42:41.750
you know, the efforts we
went to in revising the draft

01:42:41.750 --> 01:42:45.273
based on the joint association comments.

01:42:47.660 --> 01:42:49.680
We do see this as an iterative process.

01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:53.730
And just in general,
I wanted to note that,

01:42:53.730 --> 01:42:57.570
you know, our first meeting
was in January of 2020

01:42:57.570 --> 01:42:59.270
and we had to go through,

01:42:59.270 --> 01:43:01.440
I mean, I think I bring
this up every time,

01:43:01.440 --> 01:43:05.350
but we went through the IOUs 2020 WPS

01:43:06.500 --> 01:43:10.610
then we did the IOU 2021 WMP guidelines.

01:43:10.610 --> 01:43:14.930
And now we're looking at the
POUs and the cooperatives.

01:43:14.930 --> 01:43:19.110
And I think it's just exciting
to me in some ways,

01:43:19.110 --> 01:43:23.330
because we're in a co-creation process.

01:43:23.330 --> 01:43:25.050
A collaborative process here.

01:43:25.050 --> 01:43:29.639
So, and just keeping in mind when you,

01:43:29.639 --> 01:43:32.790
when any of you make recommendations

01:43:32.790 --> 01:43:34.263
about where we go next,

01:43:35.580 --> 01:43:38.070
we're reading it based on our expertise

01:43:38.070 --> 01:43:40.960
as Marcie just said, it's
an our chair, excuse me.

01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:43.180
Chair Edwards just said
it was an amazing board.

01:43:43.180 --> 01:43:46.110
And I've learned so
much from my colleagues

01:43:46.110 --> 01:43:48.323
but also we're reading
it from the perspective

01:43:48.323 --> 01:43:52.670
of someone who's picking up
the document and looking at it.

01:43:52.670 --> 01:43:55.854
And so there's some things
that will be across the board

01:43:55.854 --> 01:43:59.140
for all of the utilities,

01:43:59.140 --> 01:44:02.940
but some things we felt
would just make the material

01:44:02.940 --> 01:44:05.760
that was already there more digestible

01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:08.045
and with respect to things that might,

01:44:08.045 --> 01:44:11.320
that we want to address

01:44:11.320 --> 01:44:13.410
it doesn't mean we
want a solution for it.

01:44:13.410 --> 01:44:15.247
It may be something that you say,

01:44:15.247 --> 01:44:18.237
"Hey we are looking at this,

01:44:18.237 --> 01:44:22.117
"we've looked at this and
we don't have an answer,

01:44:22.117 --> 01:44:23.940
"or it's not relevant."

01:44:23.940 --> 01:44:26.230
We just wanna make
sure that all the boxes

01:44:26.230 --> 01:44:29.790
are checked based on
the statutory requirement.

01:44:29.790 --> 01:44:30.677
So Thank you.

01:44:32.300 --> 01:44:33.763
<v ->Thank you, vice chair.</v>

01:44:34.655 --> 01:44:35.723
Board member Porter.

01:44:37.270 --> 01:44:39.030
<v ->Yeah, again,</v>

01:44:39.030 --> 01:44:40.400
I do wanna make sure that,

01:44:40.400 --> 01:44:43.150
you know, that we Thank
you for your participation.

01:44:43.150 --> 01:44:44.270
This has been collaborative

01:44:44.270 --> 01:44:46.750
and we want it to
continue to be collaborative.

01:44:46.750 --> 01:44:49.376
You know, we saw that,

01:44:49.376 --> 01:44:53.650
we believe the platform was
under utilized and information.

01:44:53.650 --> 01:44:58.370
We truly do understand
that each POU is unique

01:44:59.210 --> 01:45:00.950
and it would have been egregious of us

01:45:00.950 --> 01:45:04.380
not to ask for more information

01:45:04.380 --> 01:45:07.843
to really give us
context to the challenges.

01:45:08.850 --> 01:45:10.660
Even addressing best practices.

01:45:10.660 --> 01:45:13.630
We understand that not putting,

01:45:13.630 --> 01:45:17.073
not, you know, creating concrete,

01:45:18.570 --> 01:45:22.040
our intention isn't to create
concrete best practices

01:45:22.040 --> 01:45:24.850
cause they might not
be able to be carried out

01:45:24.850 --> 01:45:29.670
by certain unique and
particular appeal use

01:45:29.670 --> 01:45:34.110
but where there are
commonalities across the board

01:45:34.110 --> 01:45:37.340
and they are deliverable
that's something

01:45:37.340 --> 01:45:39.040
we would like to identify.

01:45:39.040 --> 01:45:41.690
And more information is something

01:45:41.690 --> 01:45:43.283
that will allow us to do that.

01:45:44.382 --> 01:45:46.290
And again, I'm gonna reiterate,

01:45:46.290 --> 01:45:51.121
it is amazing the seven
particular expertise on this board,

01:45:51.121 --> 01:45:55.310
you know, we're gonna need
each POU to pull back the husk

01:45:55.310 --> 01:45:58.723
so that we can activate those expertise.

01:45:59.990 --> 01:46:01.560
Or for the betterment.

01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:05.190
And again, we do enjoy the fact

01:46:05.190 --> 01:46:08.553
that you are open to
the collaborative process.

01:46:09.513 --> 01:46:11.280
So Chair Edwards.

01:46:12.233 --> 01:46:13.083
<v ->Thank you, Sir.</v>

01:46:14.830 --> 01:46:15.743
All right.

01:46:16.587 --> 01:46:19.620
If there are no other inquiries
from the board at this time.

01:46:19.620 --> 01:46:23.623
I'd like to move to NCPA
Scott Tomashefsky.

01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:25.793
<v ->Thank you, Chair Edwards.</v>

01:46:25.793 --> 01:46:27.097
And good afternoon, everyone.

01:46:28.698 --> 01:46:32.390
I think the point in terms of iteration

01:46:32.390 --> 01:46:33.570
is really important here.

01:46:33.570 --> 01:46:35.830
We all have the same mission here.

01:46:35.830 --> 01:46:39.920
This is all about reducing
risk of catastrophic wildfire.

01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:43.071
And so the idea of
sharing best practices

01:46:43.071 --> 01:46:47.630
and having a process that
allows us to continue to revisit

01:46:47.630 --> 01:46:49.650
what we do is really important.

01:46:49.650 --> 01:46:53.890
And so the recommendations
are not a reflection

01:46:53.890 --> 01:46:54.870
that things are wrong.

01:46:54.870 --> 01:46:58.000
Recommendations are reflection of things

01:46:58.000 --> 01:46:59.610
that we should give consideration to.

01:46:59.610 --> 01:47:04.490
And so the subtle changes
that you've made in the document

01:47:04.490 --> 01:47:05.870
that address flexibility,

01:47:05.870 --> 01:47:07.750
the use of the term as appropriate,

01:47:07.750 --> 01:47:12.520
the movement towards
guidance and guidelines

01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:15.327
and how the templates are used.

01:47:15.327 --> 01:47:17.210
I mean, we look at the template

01:47:17.210 --> 01:47:20.000
as the POU review
template that we started with

01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:22.880
to help a lot of our member utilities

01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:24.400
develop their first document.

01:47:24.400 --> 01:47:27.772
And as they go to the second
one they'll enhance that.

01:47:27.772 --> 01:47:29.335
There'll be improvements each time.

01:47:29.335 --> 01:47:31.100
We only get better in this.

01:47:31.100 --> 01:47:34.010
And as we have these conversations

01:47:34.010 --> 01:47:35.770
we will all collectively get smarter

01:47:35.770 --> 01:47:38.210
in terms of the things that we do.

01:47:38.210 --> 01:47:41.370
So that's really
important in all of this.

01:47:42.400 --> 01:47:44.030
And even when we talk about the funding,

01:47:44.030 --> 01:47:44.890
the funding issue,

01:47:44.890 --> 01:47:47.294
the whole notion of
the approval process,

01:47:47.294 --> 01:47:49.100
I think that's an improvement

01:47:49.100 --> 01:47:51.780
in terms of what was
being asked originally.

01:47:51.780 --> 01:47:54.080
It's really, how do we deal
with the approval process,

01:47:54.080 --> 01:47:58.080
recognizing that when
we authorize something

01:47:58.080 --> 01:48:00.343
we're gonna do with
respect to wildfire mitigation,

01:48:00.343 --> 01:48:01.885
we're going to fund it.

01:48:01.885 --> 01:48:04.880
That's just sort of the
nature of what we do

01:48:04.880 --> 01:48:07.120
when we deal with budget accounting.

01:48:07.120 --> 01:48:09.210
It's very different than IOU accounting,

01:48:09.210 --> 01:48:10.610
and for a lot of good reasons,

01:48:10.610 --> 01:48:13.795
there's city considerations
and district considerations

01:48:13.795 --> 01:48:15.030
that's involved in that.

01:48:15.030 --> 01:48:18.570
So that's important to incorporate.

01:48:18.570 --> 01:48:21.950
The other thing that
becomes really important

01:48:21.950 --> 01:48:23.132
with these types of documents

01:48:23.132 --> 01:48:26.950
is the the context around what's there.

01:48:26.950 --> 01:48:30.260
I think we start to understand
the things that are important

01:48:30.260 --> 01:48:31.950
to us collectively,

01:48:31.950 --> 01:48:35.860
but then there's occasionally
that a policy maker,

01:48:35.860 --> 01:48:38.290
industry expert or someone
that picks the document up

01:48:38.290 --> 01:48:40.780
and really has no context
for what's happened before.

01:48:40.780 --> 01:48:44.060
So when we talk about
discussing the role

01:48:44.060 --> 01:48:45.370
of the independent evaluator,

01:48:45.370 --> 01:48:47.210
how that fits into the equation,

01:48:47.210 --> 01:48:48.970
and what were the statutory requirements

01:48:48.970 --> 01:48:50.410
or what we're trying to do,

01:48:50.410 --> 01:48:53.590
it's helpful to have
that in the document.

01:48:53.590 --> 01:48:55.737
So someone can actually get a full scope

01:48:55.737 --> 01:48:57.457
and realize that we're all still

01:48:57.457 --> 01:48:59.510
trying to move forward productively,

01:48:59.510 --> 01:49:01.909
even though there
might be different models

01:49:01.909 --> 01:49:03.840
that are in this entire equation

01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:06.410
that might treat it differently.

01:49:06.410 --> 01:49:09.320
So Barry made a couple of the points

01:49:09.320 --> 01:49:10.640
that we've talked about in terms

01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:12.802
of addressing specific changes.

01:49:12.802 --> 01:49:16.450
But I do think that this
document goes a long way

01:49:16.450 --> 01:49:19.540
towards moving a
collaboration and on this.

01:49:19.540 --> 01:49:22.091
And so I would think that
from an NCPA perspective,

01:49:22.091 --> 01:49:25.700
we're certainly committed
to sharing best practices,

01:49:25.700 --> 01:49:27.450
hearing best practices,

01:49:27.450 --> 01:49:29.333
considering recommendations
that you have,

01:49:29.333 --> 01:49:31.970
with the understanding
that there are instances

01:49:31.970 --> 01:49:33.450
where it may just not apply.

01:49:33.450 --> 01:49:35.190
But that's not a suggestion
<v ->Sure.</v>

01:49:35.190 --> 01:49:36.560
<v ->That we don't
think it's important.</v>

01:49:36.560 --> 01:49:37.760
It just wouldn't be applicable

01:49:37.760 --> 01:49:40.920
for that particular utility or district.

01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:43.280
And so I think, you know,

01:49:43.280 --> 01:49:45.300
as we move forward with this,

01:49:45.300 --> 01:49:48.070
I know we look forward to
continuing this conversation

01:49:48.070 --> 01:49:50.157
and we love to talk about
the good things we do

01:49:50.157 --> 01:49:51.613
and we love to learn
about the good things

01:49:51.613 --> 01:49:52.700
that others are doing.

01:49:52.700 --> 01:49:54.600
So really appreciate the opportunity

01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:56.310
to be part of this again.

01:49:56.310 --> 01:49:58.970
And I'll turn it back to
your Chair Edwards.

01:49:58.970 --> 01:49:59.920
<v ->Thank you, Scott.</v>

01:50:00.860 --> 01:50:03.160
One of the things I would ask is,

01:50:03.160 --> 01:50:06.080
when things are found
to be not applicable

01:50:06.080 --> 01:50:09.900
having an understanding as
to why would be very beneficial

01:50:09.900 --> 01:50:11.037
for this board.

01:50:11.037 --> 01:50:12.540
Because they just,

01:50:12.540 --> 01:50:14.760
they're not as familiar
with the structure

01:50:14.760 --> 01:50:16.700
and with some of the challenges faced.

01:50:16.700 --> 01:50:19.000
And so knowing the why,

01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:21.650
in particular imagine
if we find the same,

01:50:21.650 --> 01:50:24.510
well, here's why and yet
the problem potentially

01:50:24.510 --> 01:50:26.430
could be solved on aggregate.

01:50:26.430 --> 01:50:28.301
I worry about the resources.

01:50:28.301 --> 01:50:31.440
You know, trying to get
people with the right skillsets

01:50:31.440 --> 01:50:33.273
in the right places,
doing the right thing.

01:50:33.273 --> 01:50:38.273
That's a challenge for
IOUs and and co-ops alike.

01:50:38.300 --> 01:50:41.640
So any more information
we get as to the whys

01:50:41.640 --> 01:50:43.833
is always very helpful.

01:50:45.486 --> 01:50:47.230
Any, okay.

01:50:47.230 --> 01:50:50.790
At this point, I'd like to
move to Mr. DeBernado.

01:50:50.790 --> 01:50:52.110
I've lost my list of names.

01:50:52.110 --> 01:50:53.981
So I hope I didn't slaughter yours.

01:50:53.981 --> 01:50:54.814
And you're with
<v ->No.</v>

01:50:54.814 --> 01:50:57.331
<v ->The Southern California
Public Power Authority.</v>

01:50:57.331 --> 01:50:59.820
<v ->Yes, you got it perfect so.</v>

01:50:59.820 --> 01:51:02.077
Yes, Mario DeBernardo with SCAPPA.

01:51:03.720 --> 01:51:08.040
Good afternoon, Ms.
Chair and board members.

01:51:08.040 --> 01:51:11.430
So I wanna align
ourselves with the comments

01:51:11.430 --> 01:51:14.650
made by Barry with
CMUA and Scott with NCPA.

01:51:16.300 --> 01:51:19.200
Wanna Thank the board
members for dedicating your time

01:51:19.200 --> 01:51:23.320
and expertise for the benefit
of the State of California.

01:51:23.320 --> 01:51:26.010
We recognize that
wildfire mitigation planning

01:51:26.010 --> 01:51:28.860
is crucial for the public health,

01:51:28.860 --> 01:51:30.919
safety and welfare of California.

01:51:30.919 --> 01:51:35.919
And so we take compliance
with AB 1054 very seriously.

01:51:37.500 --> 01:51:41.670
The thing I just, I
wanna emphasize is that,

01:51:41.670 --> 01:51:44.820
well clearly the wildfire
issue is not going away.

01:51:44.820 --> 01:51:47.840
And so we're going to have a
long-term working relationship

01:51:47.840 --> 01:51:48.673
with the board.

01:51:48.673 --> 01:51:51.590
And so we look forward to continuing

01:51:51.590 --> 01:51:53.470
our working relationship with the board

01:51:53.470 --> 01:51:55.300
and working collaboratively,

01:51:55.300 --> 01:51:58.570
including discussions with the board

01:51:58.570 --> 01:52:01.081
and the of board staff
in the next few months

01:52:01.081 --> 01:52:03.500
as we work together on issues

01:52:03.500 --> 01:52:06.017
like those discussing
recommendations four

01:52:06.017 --> 01:52:09.370
of the guidance advisory opinion,

01:52:09.370 --> 01:52:14.090
where the document
itself is is suggesting

01:52:14.090 --> 01:52:16.934
that we all work
cooperatively with each other

01:52:16.934 --> 01:52:21.934
collaborate on the
groupings and template issue.

01:52:21.950 --> 01:52:25.653
I think it would be
beneficial to all of us

01:52:25.653 --> 01:52:28.333
and to the public power
community especially.

01:52:29.250 --> 01:52:31.270
In those discussions we
got a better understanding

01:52:31.270 --> 01:52:33.820
of the context of some of the things

01:52:33.820 --> 01:52:36.090
you guys are looking for,
some of the background.

01:52:36.090 --> 01:52:37.920
Some of the things that
are happening right now,

01:52:37.920 --> 01:52:41.040
this meeting where, you know,

01:52:41.040 --> 01:52:43.531
clarification on things
like the best practices,

01:52:43.531 --> 01:52:44.610
(indistinct)

01:52:44.610 --> 01:52:46.580
tabulations, concrete practices,

01:52:46.580 --> 01:52:51.005
but be able to find
commonalities and identify those.

01:52:51.005 --> 01:52:55.527
So those types of things
will be helpful for us to know

01:52:55.527 --> 01:52:57.850
as we work with you and collaborate.

01:52:57.850 --> 01:52:59.900
And I think we could
really be a resource

01:53:01.130 --> 01:53:06.130
to provide ideas and
how to make these plans

01:53:07.300 --> 01:53:10.913
structured in a way where
you're getting the information,

01:53:12.019 --> 01:53:14.700
where streamlining your review process

01:53:14.700 --> 01:53:17.877
like in the structure and
also making it efficient

01:53:17.877 --> 01:53:21.509
and effective for a
publicly owned utility

01:53:21.509 --> 01:53:25.900
to complete and share the information

01:53:25.900 --> 01:53:27.672
with both board and the public.

01:53:27.672 --> 01:53:28.505
So I want to Thank
you for the opportunity

01:53:29.777 --> 01:53:31.140
to participate in this.

01:53:31.140 --> 01:53:33.023
Thank you for in the revised
version of the document.

01:53:34.216 --> 01:53:37.560
The items that you had changed

01:53:38.530 --> 01:53:41.560
in light of the comments
we had submitted.

01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:43.460
So really, again,

01:53:43.460 --> 01:53:45.000
just wanna emphasize that we recognize

01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:46.964
this is a long-term relationship

01:53:46.964 --> 01:53:49.937
and we look forward to
working with all you on it.

01:53:53.960 --> 01:53:55.240
<v ->I certainly appreciate that.</v>

01:53:55.240 --> 01:53:56.840
What a lot of people forget

01:53:56.840 --> 01:54:00.380
is that the stance of
publicly owned utilities

01:54:00.380 --> 01:54:02.890
is from a customer oriented motive

01:54:02.890 --> 01:54:05.130
it is not for our profit motive.

01:54:05.130 --> 01:54:07.529
There are no stockholders,

01:54:07.529 --> 01:54:09.680
there's no dividend maintained.

01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:12.850
And so they act as a
very effective bellwether

01:54:12.850 --> 01:54:15.050
and their adult supervision is typically

01:54:15.050 --> 01:54:18.012
within half a mile of the utility.

01:54:18.012 --> 01:54:22.800
It's not remote oversight
by any way, shape or form

01:54:22.800 --> 01:54:24.853
and I personally can testify to that.

01:54:26.840 --> 01:54:30.360
Ms. Nelson, my apologies
for leaving you till the end.

01:54:30.360 --> 01:54:33.810
I just wanted to kinda
group the publics.

01:54:33.810 --> 01:54:35.310
Could we hear from you please?

01:54:36.950 --> 01:54:38.600
<v ->Yeah, absolutely.</v>

01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:39.650
Can you hear me okay?

01:54:40.820 --> 01:54:42.310
<v ->Ma'am.</v>

01:54:42.310 --> 01:54:44.280
<v ->Thank you, Chair Edward.</v>

01:54:44.280 --> 01:54:47.838
You know, I just really wanna emphasize,

01:54:47.838 --> 01:54:52.838
how, you know, we
as the joint association

01:54:53.330 --> 01:54:54.680
have been working together.

01:54:55.720 --> 01:54:57.270
We provided comments to you

01:54:57.270 --> 01:55:00.534
and we really appreciate
all the thoughtful,

01:55:00.534 --> 01:55:03.460
you know, time and input you have put

01:55:03.460 --> 01:55:06.630
into these recommendations.

01:55:06.630 --> 01:55:11.630
We want to use all the
expertise that we can.

01:55:12.330 --> 01:55:15.300
And so we know the
board has a lot to offer us

01:55:15.300 --> 01:55:18.891
and you have quite a few recommendations

01:55:18.891 --> 01:55:23.891
that we can all incorporate and evaluate

01:55:24.290 --> 01:55:25.558
if they're applicable,

01:55:25.558 --> 01:55:28.140
and go forward with continually

01:55:28.140 --> 01:55:30.750
improving our wildfire mitigation plan.

01:55:30.750 --> 01:55:32.090
Like you said, Chair Edwards,

01:55:32.090 --> 01:55:34.760
you know, we're doing
this for our communities.

01:55:34.760 --> 01:55:37.304
We want to prevent
wildfires in any way possible.

01:55:37.304 --> 01:55:41.410
And so, you know,
we will take any advice.

01:55:41.410 --> 01:55:45.008
And in fact, the joint
associations have been talking

01:55:45.008 --> 01:55:50.008
about ways that we can
convene some best practices

01:55:50.434 --> 01:55:52.692
so that internally we can share

01:55:52.692 --> 01:55:54.645
as much information as possible.

01:55:54.645 --> 01:55:58.460
I think your last
meeting was very helpful.

01:55:58.460 --> 01:56:00.151
So we could kinda kick that off

01:56:00.151 --> 01:56:05.056
and see how different
utilities are doing things

01:56:05.056 --> 01:56:07.990
and highlight some
of those best practices.

01:56:07.990 --> 01:56:10.156
But I think the joint utilities

01:56:10.156 --> 01:56:14.180
are also going to take
that upon ourselves as well,

01:56:14.180 --> 01:56:18.000
and really try to share
information as much as possible

01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:21.210
and work together to
implement as much as we can.

01:56:21.210 --> 01:56:23.590
I do wanna come back to the point though

01:56:23.590 --> 01:56:25.365
that this is an iterative process

01:56:25.365 --> 01:56:29.350
and a lot of these
utilities that the co-ops

01:56:29.350 --> 01:56:31.083
that I work with are very small.

01:56:32.504 --> 01:56:33.337
<v ->Yeah.</v>

01:56:33.337 --> 01:56:37.790
<v ->So to completely revise
their wildfire mitigation plans</v>

01:56:38.870 --> 01:56:41.800
by July will be quite an undertaking

01:56:41.800 --> 01:56:44.150
more short on time already.

01:56:44.150 --> 01:56:46.482
And so we, you know,

01:56:46.482 --> 01:56:49.290
want to work with you
to try to make sure that,

01:56:49.290 --> 01:56:53.950
you know, we will absolutely
do comprehensive updates

01:56:55.410 --> 01:56:56.800
within three years.

01:56:56.800 --> 01:57:00.900
And in the interim we hope to
make meaningful improvements

01:57:00.900 --> 01:57:02.164
as we go.

01:57:02.164 --> 01:57:06.630
And, you know, board
member Porter mentioned,

01:57:06.630 --> 01:57:09.500
you know, it would be really
useful to provide some context.

01:57:09.500 --> 01:57:10.997
And we understand that as well.

01:57:10.997 --> 01:57:14.820
And so there could be some
improvements in the interim

01:57:14.820 --> 01:57:18.360
before we get to a
comprehensive overhaul

01:57:18.360 --> 01:57:23.130
of our plans that we
can provide more context

01:57:23.130 --> 01:57:28.130
and we can really maximize
the accessibility of information

01:57:28.347 --> 01:57:31.410
so that you don't
have to waste your time

01:57:31.410 --> 01:57:32.980
trying to find to make sure

01:57:32.980 --> 01:57:36.410
that we are meeting
all the requirements.

01:57:36.410 --> 01:57:38.180
And so we really, you know,

01:57:38.180 --> 01:57:41.240
we appreciate that you
have already put a lot of time

01:57:41.240 --> 01:57:44.530
into this and we don't
wanna waste your time

01:57:44.530 --> 01:57:45.790
to have you flipping around

01:57:45.790 --> 01:57:47.470
trying to find all the information.

01:57:47.470 --> 01:57:50.200
So we wanna work with you on that.

01:57:50.200 --> 01:57:51.700
Absolutely.

01:57:51.700 --> 01:57:56.360
And just, you know, continually
get better at this process.

01:57:56.360 --> 01:57:58.007
And this is just the first year.

01:57:58.007 --> 01:58:00.860
And so we're really
looking forward to each year

01:58:00.860 --> 01:58:03.760
improving upon our plans incrementally.

01:58:03.760 --> 01:58:05.390
So Thank you very much.

01:58:05.390 --> 01:58:06.910
<v ->I appreciate that.</v>

01:58:06.910 --> 01:58:07.913
It is true.

01:58:08.947 --> 01:58:12.200
Benefit of the group cause
I always offer explanations.

01:58:12.200 --> 01:58:13.710
I'm gonna step out for a moment,

01:58:13.710 --> 01:58:15.250
my husband's been hospitalized

01:58:15.250 --> 01:58:16.661
and they're delivering him by ambulance.

01:58:16.661 --> 01:58:18.400
And of course the entire neighborhood

01:58:18.400 --> 01:58:22.050
is turning out to watch this event.

01:58:22.050 --> 01:58:24.173
So I'm gonna step out for a moment.

01:58:25.300 --> 01:58:27.360
Diane if you would consider

01:58:28.280 --> 01:58:30.530
some potential language changes on,

01:58:30.530 --> 01:58:32.690
as example, the July 21st date.

01:58:32.690 --> 01:58:34.060
Maybe it's iteration.

01:58:34.060 --> 01:58:37.610
Maybe it's just answers some
of the significant questions

01:58:37.610 --> 01:58:38.790
without the municipals

01:58:38.790 --> 01:58:41.130
having to go through a
massive approval process,

01:58:41.130 --> 01:58:43.080
which may not really prove beneficial

01:58:43.080 --> 01:58:48.080
and maybe a real time expender for them.

01:58:48.240 --> 01:58:51.980
The other one, if you
would take a look to see

01:58:51.980 --> 01:58:54.460
if the utilization of the word funding

01:58:54.460 --> 01:58:56.100
and underscore our interests.

01:58:56.100 --> 01:58:58.220
That with funding we're
interested in knowing

01:58:58.220 --> 01:58:59.320
did the work get done.

01:59:00.411 --> 01:59:05.020
And thirdly, as I
mentioned I'd like to avoid

01:59:05.020 --> 01:59:10.020
the Long-term Employment Act to the IEs

01:59:10.770 --> 01:59:12.540
and maybe there is a trigger language

01:59:12.540 --> 01:59:15.770
that we can use that
says any significant

01:59:15.770 --> 01:59:17.060
or comprehensive change.

01:59:17.060 --> 01:59:19.650
If the board could adjust those,

01:59:19.650 --> 01:59:22.120
if you are in agreement
we can direct staff

01:59:22.120 --> 01:59:23.327
to just adjust the language,

01:59:23.327 --> 01:59:26.910
and it should not preclude
us from voting on it today

01:59:26.910 --> 01:59:30.470
with an understanding
that staff could in fact make

01:59:30.470 --> 01:59:33.850
some of those adjustments
and they're wheeling him in.

01:59:33.850 --> 01:59:36.673
If you will all excuse
me for just a moment.

01:59:37.583 --> 01:59:38.666
My apologies.

01:59:40.290 --> 01:59:41.450
<v ->Thank you, Chair Edwards.</v>

01:59:41.450 --> 01:59:43.860
And I'm prepared to take over.

01:59:43.860 --> 01:59:48.860
So we can discuss if
the chair does not return

01:59:49.270 --> 01:59:51.473
prior to our board discussion,

01:59:52.780 --> 01:59:56.510
if our advisors have taken
note of those three items

01:59:56.510 --> 01:59:59.380
we can take it up at that time.

01:59:59.380 --> 02:00:03.210
So Ms. Nelson, did
you have anything else

02:00:03.210 --> 02:00:04.653
that you wanted to add?

02:00:05.900 --> 02:00:07.223
<v ->No, Thank you very much.</v>

02:00:09.900 --> 02:00:10.743
<v ->All right.</v>

02:00:11.775 --> 02:00:15.410
I think we have covered,

02:00:15.410 --> 02:00:19.410
let me refer to our schedule here.

02:00:19.410 --> 02:00:24.410
We have covered the
comment and the filing

02:00:24.570 --> 02:00:29.570
and I think we are now
ready to go to the discussion

02:00:30.230 --> 02:00:32.340
but first do any board members,

02:00:32.340 --> 02:00:35.140
and if you could send them
to me now your requests.

02:00:35.140 --> 02:00:39.886
Do any board members have
questions for the panelists?

02:00:39.886 --> 02:00:42.920
Any of the panelists before
we go into public discussion,

02:00:42.920 --> 02:00:44.762
just raise your hand.

02:00:44.762 --> 02:00:46.449
If you would like to ask a question

02:00:46.449 --> 02:00:47.903
or make a statement.

02:00:51.900 --> 02:00:53.223
Board member Mader.

02:00:56.120 --> 02:00:57.763
<v ->Thank you, Co-chair Fellman.</v>

02:00:58.880 --> 02:01:03.160
You know, I am listening
to the points made

02:01:03.160 --> 02:01:07.570
by all of the associations here,

02:01:07.570 --> 02:01:11.260
there was a lot of talk
about best practices and,

02:01:11.260 --> 02:01:12.500
you know, I'm very sensitive.

02:01:12.500 --> 02:01:14.730
And I think the board is very sensitive

02:01:14.730 --> 02:01:18.960
to the resources that
are available and the need

02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:21.540
for these wildfire mitigation plans

02:01:21.540 --> 02:01:25.143
to be comprehensive but not excessive.

02:01:26.047 --> 02:01:27.630
But there are things

02:01:27.630 --> 02:01:31.080
that I think maybe made these points

02:01:31.080 --> 02:01:33.800
that it would make it
easier to review these plans.

02:01:33.800 --> 02:01:35.900
If there were certain
kinds of checklists

02:01:35.900 --> 02:01:37.540
from like for instance,

02:01:37.540 --> 02:01:40.090
a technical perspective on overhead

02:01:40.090 --> 02:01:42.160
in the high fire threat district area.

02:01:42.160 --> 02:01:43.690
You know, I'd like to,

02:01:43.690 --> 02:01:46.090
you know, when I look
at that as an engineer,

02:01:46.090 --> 02:01:49.740
I'm looking for the did
we think about eliminating

02:01:50.600 --> 02:01:53.670
equipment that causes
sparks in normal operation.

02:01:53.670 --> 02:01:55.327
Like kinda using expulsion fuses,

02:01:55.327 --> 02:01:59.400
using the right type
of lightning arresters,

02:01:59.400 --> 02:02:01.100
fault duties that are appropriate

02:02:01.100 --> 02:02:03.080
for fault interrupting equipment.

02:02:03.080 --> 02:02:05.570
And, you know, I'm sure,

02:02:05.570 --> 02:02:06.930
you know, because of the professionalism

02:02:06.930 --> 02:02:09.870
I saw in these plans that that was done.

02:02:09.870 --> 02:02:11.440
But if we could just be mentioned

02:02:11.440 --> 02:02:13.350
that each one of these was analyzed,

02:02:13.350 --> 02:02:15.420
I'm not, you know, not
necessarily like towing,

02:02:15.420 --> 02:02:20.420
we want to tell the POU how to do it

02:02:21.150 --> 02:02:24.970
but that they've mentioned
like X, Y, and Z was analyzed.

02:02:24.970 --> 02:02:28.210
That would be very helpful
when we're discussing,

02:02:28.210 --> 02:02:30.610
like when you were
discussing amongst each other

02:02:30.610 --> 02:02:32.900
the kind of things that should
be included in these plans.

02:02:32.900 --> 02:02:34.303
That would help us greatly.

02:02:38.620 --> 02:02:39.453
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:02:40.900 --> 02:02:43.610
Are there any other, yes.

02:02:43.610 --> 02:02:44.643
Board member Block.

02:02:48.070 --> 02:02:49.746
<v Block>Just to riff
off of what the rest</v>

02:02:49.746 --> 02:02:52.893
of my fellow board members have said.

02:02:54.810 --> 02:02:59.797
Understanding the uniqueness
of the POUs and their contexts

02:02:59.797 --> 02:03:02.300
will be helpful.

02:03:02.300 --> 02:03:07.150
I'm making reference to
recommendation number 11

02:03:07.150 --> 02:03:08.443
on risk assessment,

02:03:09.930 --> 02:03:12.803
sort of situational
awareness and data sharing.

02:03:15.900 --> 02:03:17.830
Coming from as an
environmental scientist,

02:03:17.830 --> 02:03:20.870
I think it's super helpful to
have broad characterizations

02:03:20.870 --> 02:03:24.330
of what kind of trees are
in your service territory

02:03:24.330 --> 02:03:25.610
and what kind of weather patterns

02:03:25.610 --> 02:03:27.300
you tend to get seasonally.

02:03:27.300 --> 02:03:29.720
And just having those broad contexts

02:03:29.720 --> 02:03:32.060
will be really helpful
for understanding,

02:03:32.060 --> 02:03:33.240
like on a broader scale

02:03:33.240 --> 02:03:34.870
when we evaluate these plans.

02:03:34.870 --> 02:03:37.850
What the kind of risks are that you face

02:03:39.133 --> 02:03:42.540
in your environmental context?

02:03:42.540 --> 02:03:46.451
And knowing that there's
already now a lot of data

02:03:46.451 --> 02:03:51.451
and technology available
publicly from the IOUs

02:03:52.750 --> 02:03:55.680
you may or may not be
partnering with them directly

02:03:55.680 --> 02:03:59.300
but possible that you could
be using their weather stations

02:03:59.300 --> 02:04:00.907
or some of their weather forecasts

02:04:00.907 --> 02:04:05.277
and think there are many
ways to leverage all of that

02:04:05.277 --> 02:04:07.290
available technology without having

02:04:07.290 --> 02:04:09.520
to do much investment yourself.

02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:11.820
I'm curious to know about those

02:04:11.820 --> 02:04:14.372
and would love to have
discussions about them.

02:04:14.372 --> 02:04:16.620
If there are questions about it,

02:04:16.620 --> 02:04:20.570
I'm really jazzed about
that part of the plan.

02:04:20.570 --> 02:04:22.200
So that's all I have to say.

02:04:22.200 --> 02:04:23.033
Thanks.

02:04:25.170 --> 02:04:30.170
<v ->And I will say now
that we have heard,</v>

02:04:30.260 --> 02:04:31.640
are there any other board members

02:04:31.640 --> 02:04:33.940
who would like to make
a comment at this time?

02:04:37.182 --> 02:04:38.040
So Thank you.

02:04:38.040 --> 02:04:40.713
Now that the associations
have heard from the board,

02:04:41.720 --> 02:04:46.330
do any of the presenters want
to make any closing remarks

02:04:46.330 --> 02:04:50.450
before we end this part of our meeting

02:04:50.450 --> 02:04:55.053
and move into the board
discussion on the advisory opinion?

02:05:00.640 --> 02:05:04.220
Seeing no responses,

02:05:04.220 --> 02:05:06.923
Mr. Moline would you
like to make a comment?

02:05:08.090 --> 02:05:09.159
<v ->Sure.</v>

02:05:09.159 --> 02:05:10.750
Only that, were eager to work closely

02:05:10.750 --> 02:05:13.684
with y'all to finalize the document

02:05:13.684 --> 02:05:15.836
and incorporate these modifications,

02:05:15.836 --> 02:05:19.400
and again, as everyone has said

02:05:19.400 --> 02:05:22.093
we appreciate the opportunity
to work closely with you.

02:05:23.930 --> 02:05:26.300
<v ->Now in this time of COVID,</v>

02:05:26.300 --> 02:05:29.260
it's really nice to have community

02:05:29.260 --> 02:05:32.015
of reviewers and associations,

02:05:32.015 --> 02:05:36.880
and, you know, deliverers
of services to come together

02:05:36.880 --> 02:05:38.040
and work cooperatively.

02:05:38.040 --> 02:05:40.920
I think we need bright spots
wherever we can get them.

02:05:40.920 --> 02:05:42.990
So Thank you for that.

02:05:42.990 --> 02:05:47.590
And that leads us into my next comment

02:05:47.590 --> 02:05:51.910
which is that I will ask our staff

02:05:53.171 --> 02:05:56.200
and I will say I think
I'll take the moment

02:05:56.200 --> 02:06:00.750
to say that this is Ms.
Ormond's last meeting with us.

02:06:00.750 --> 02:06:01.820
She's going to go on

02:06:01.820 --> 02:06:06.170
to another role at the
Public Utilities Commission.

02:06:06.170 --> 02:06:08.100
Yes, Katherine is very sad.

02:06:08.100 --> 02:06:10.460
We are all very sad to lose her.

02:06:10.460 --> 02:06:15.030
So Katherine will be your
main contact going forward.

02:06:15.030 --> 02:06:17.250
And I guess both of them are,

02:06:17.250 --> 02:06:18.530
Jamie, you were going to be here

02:06:18.530 --> 02:06:20.680
until the end of the
year, is that correct?

02:06:21.560 --> 02:06:23.017
But so you can contact both of them

02:06:23.017 --> 02:06:25.360
but Katherine will be
taking the lead for us.

02:06:25.360 --> 02:06:30.360
And why don't we
right after this meeting

02:06:30.760 --> 02:06:35.760
and before we get swept
away in the holiday madness

02:06:35.900 --> 02:06:39.030
to schedule our next conversation

02:06:39.030 --> 02:06:41.050
and set the agenda for that.

02:06:41.050 --> 02:06:43.390
So I just wanna put
that out as a to do item

02:06:43.390 --> 02:06:45.553
for our advisors and
ask the associations

02:06:45.553 --> 02:06:47.263
to just think about,

02:06:48.210 --> 02:06:50.040
I don't think we have to meet
before the end of the year

02:06:50.040 --> 02:06:54.680
but I would like to see us
schedule our next meeting

02:06:56.559 --> 02:06:57.913
in this time period.

02:07:01.150 --> 02:07:01.983
All right.

02:07:01.983 --> 02:07:06.110
So I don't know if we want to keep,

02:07:06.110 --> 02:07:11.110
I guess we can have the panelists now,

02:07:11.120 --> 02:07:13.790
the I don't wanna use the word downgrade

02:07:13.790 --> 02:07:17.300
but put in the status, change status.

02:07:17.300 --> 02:07:20.150
I guess they're going
to go into the economy

02:07:20.150 --> 02:07:22.723
part of the screen, Katherine?

02:07:24.260 --> 02:07:27.070
<v ->Hi, so we are talking</v>

02:07:27.070 --> 02:07:31.540
about potentially making
changes to the document.

02:07:31.540 --> 02:07:32.923
Is that correct?

02:07:34.320 --> 02:07:35.153
<v ->Yeah.</v>

02:07:35.153 --> 02:07:37.310
<v ->And if that's the case,</v>

02:07:37.310 --> 02:07:41.440
I would like a little bit
more from Barry on exactly,

02:07:41.440 --> 02:07:42.273
<v ->All right.</v>

02:07:43.920 --> 02:07:46.713
<v ->What he recommends
being changed?</v>

02:07:48.880 --> 02:07:53.270
<v ->Chair Edwards laid out
three different modifications</v>

02:07:53.270 --> 02:07:55.530
so that's a good suggestion.

02:07:55.530 --> 02:08:00.530
Why don't we in real time
take input from the associations

02:08:01.099 --> 02:08:04.050
on what those changes would be,

02:08:04.050 --> 02:08:06.610
and then as we can incorporate

02:08:06.610 --> 02:08:09.133
those into the board discussion.

02:08:09.133 --> 02:08:10.923
So-- <v ->Okay.</v>

02:08:10.923 --> 02:08:13.900
So Barry can remain
on the line on the phone.

02:08:13.900 --> 02:08:15.380
<v ->Yeah and I think everyone can.</v>

02:08:15.380 --> 02:08:20.380
Jessica and Mario and Scott still there.

02:08:20.640 --> 02:08:25.640
So I think all four of you
can stay on while we have,

02:08:25.670 --> 02:08:28.630
and I'm going to turn
it over to Katherine

02:08:28.630 --> 02:08:32.770
to just go through what you would like,

02:08:32.770 --> 02:08:36.150
Katherine what you heard and what,

02:08:36.150 --> 02:08:40.230
how you would like to
see the language evolve

02:08:40.230 --> 02:08:42.150
for these changes.

02:08:42.150 --> 02:08:44.660
Now and before we do that,

02:08:44.660 --> 02:08:48.650
I wanna level set what
we are trying to do here.

02:08:48.650 --> 02:08:52.520
Again, we see this as our general.

02:08:52.520 --> 02:08:53.773
I think we called,

02:08:53.773 --> 02:08:57.520
in fact we called it that
the general guidance,

02:08:57.520 --> 02:08:59.900
the guidance advisory opinions

02:08:59.900 --> 02:09:01.690
for all of the plans,

02:09:01.690 --> 02:09:06.690
and so these would
be changes in my view,

02:09:07.600 --> 02:09:10.960
these would be
changes that would reflect

02:09:10.960 --> 02:09:14.523
the launch pad for the next discussion.

02:09:15.640 --> 02:09:18.640
Rather than resolving
certain issues right now.

02:09:18.640 --> 02:09:20.640
And I think with that caveat

02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:23.000
I think we can get there quite easily.

02:09:23.000 --> 02:09:24.610
So I'll turn it over to Katherine now

02:09:24.610 --> 02:09:26.143
to lead that conversation.

02:09:27.850 --> 02:09:28.740
<v ->So, right.</v>

02:09:28.740 --> 02:09:32.630
So I think I understood the
change about the funding

02:09:32.630 --> 02:09:35.750
and that request was to just change

02:09:35.750 --> 02:09:40.363
the word budget to funding
in most places in that section.

02:09:42.470 --> 02:09:46.370
But the other two-- &lt;v
-&gt;We also have a...</v>

02:09:46.370 --> 02:09:48.061
I didn't say the words but,

02:09:48.061 --> 02:09:50.670
cause I suggested that I just email too.

02:09:50.670 --> 02:09:55.400
But we have a suggested
sentence that that would help.

02:09:55.400 --> 02:09:57.537
Or should I read that to you?

02:09:59.160 --> 02:10:00.240
<v ->Sure.</v>

02:10:00.240 --> 02:10:02.773
So, and I'd like to have Jason,

02:10:04.120 --> 02:10:06.730
Jason can you speak a little bit,

02:10:06.730 --> 02:10:11.730
I'd like a little bit of direction
from Jason about how to,

02:10:12.490 --> 02:10:16.350
if we need to make
the changes on the dais,

02:10:16.350 --> 02:10:18.850
if we need to pull it up on the screen

02:10:18.850 --> 02:10:20.623
or if we need to,

02:10:21.970 --> 02:10:24.812
you know, if there's changes
that can be made later

02:10:24.812 --> 02:10:27.300
if we kind of have a general agreement

02:10:27.300 --> 02:10:29.860
or do you think it needs to be quite

02:10:29.860 --> 02:10:32.433
as detailed as line item edits?

02:10:34.990 --> 02:10:36.740
<v Jason>Hi, this is Jason Reiger.</v>

02:10:37.909 --> 02:10:40.063
I'm happy to help out.

02:10:41.440 --> 02:10:42.273
First.

02:10:42.273 --> 02:10:43.106
Can you guys hear me?

02:10:44.500 --> 02:10:45.333
<v ->Yeah.</v>

02:10:45.333 --> 02:10:47.060
Jason, please introduce yourself

02:10:47.060 --> 02:10:49.160
because not everyone
may know who you are.

02:10:50.220 --> 02:10:51.237
<v ->Yes, this is Jason Reiger,</v>

02:10:51.237 --> 02:10:52.110
I'm an attorney

02:10:52.110 --> 02:10:54.680
with the California Public
utilities Commission.

02:10:54.680 --> 02:10:59.410
And my role here today
is to help be a legal liaison

02:10:59.410 --> 02:11:03.943
to the board for matters
of process like this.

02:11:06.845 --> 02:11:09.480
And it is completely
within the board's discretion

02:11:09.480 --> 02:11:11.120
to make changes from the dais.

02:11:11.120 --> 02:11:13.120
That is perfectly fine.

02:11:13.120 --> 02:11:15.070
If the board wants to,

02:11:15.070 --> 02:11:17.250
they have a couple options let me say.

02:11:17.250 --> 02:11:19.250
You can make changes from the dais.

02:11:19.250 --> 02:11:21.470
Staff can incorporate those changes.

02:11:21.470 --> 02:11:22.790
We can come back next time

02:11:22.790 --> 02:11:27.790
and vote on it again
to ratify those changes.

02:11:27.880 --> 02:11:32.440
That is probably the simplest way

02:11:32.440 --> 02:11:37.440
from a staffing and legal angle.

02:11:37.880 --> 02:11:41.340
But if for time reasons you
wanna vote on this today

02:11:41.340 --> 02:11:43.610
and not have it ratified later,

02:11:43.610 --> 02:11:46.873
we can wordsmith it from the dais,

02:11:48.950 --> 02:11:51.100
which can be time consuming,

02:11:51.100 --> 02:11:52.980
but it's very clear and very public

02:11:52.980 --> 02:11:55.560
and everybody can see
the changes being made

02:11:55.560 --> 02:11:58.920
and everybody knows
exactly what they're voting on.

02:11:58.920 --> 02:12:02.460
There are also, you can
vote the document out

02:12:02.460 --> 02:12:06.269
with some pretty specific
changes to be made by staff.

02:12:06.269 --> 02:12:10.390
Sort of changing words
budgets to funding

02:12:10.390 --> 02:12:15.140
or if Barry could read
the sentence out he has

02:12:15.140 --> 02:12:16.960
so that there is a
public record of that.

02:12:16.960 --> 02:12:19.870
And everybody knows
that sentence is the change

02:12:19.870 --> 02:12:23.182
the board is adopting to what
is currently on our agenda.

02:12:23.182 --> 02:12:25.230
That would be great.

02:12:25.230 --> 02:12:28.868
I will say, what you all want to avoid

02:12:28.868 --> 02:12:33.090
is voting this document
out with directions to staff

02:12:33.090 --> 02:12:35.950
that are a little unclear so that staff

02:12:35.950 --> 02:12:40.720
doesn't know what exactly
how to capture your thoughts

02:12:40.720 --> 02:12:43.130
and your votes in the
proper final document.

02:12:43.130 --> 02:12:47.410
So to the extent we can be
as most specific as possible

02:12:47.410 --> 02:12:49.090
that would be best.

02:12:49.090 --> 02:12:50.160
Thank you.

02:12:50.160 --> 02:12:55.160
<v ->So let me take the
conversation in this direction.</v>

02:12:57.570 --> 02:13:02.020
First of all, we are an advisory board

02:13:02.020 --> 02:13:05.040
making an advisory opinion.

02:13:05.040 --> 02:13:10.040
So the document and we
appreciate that you're taking,

02:13:12.220 --> 02:13:17.210
you know, you're taking it
as seriously as it deserves

02:13:17.210 --> 02:13:18.524
to be taken.

02:13:18.524 --> 02:13:20.470
And having said that,

02:13:20.470 --> 02:13:24.300
as I mentioned just a few minutes ago,

02:13:24.300 --> 02:13:29.300
this is going to be
issued as the 2020 output,

02:13:31.650 --> 02:13:36.083
you know, of the board
for 2021 document.

02:13:38.950 --> 02:13:43.110
We did put it out in draft
and we had comments

02:13:43.110 --> 02:13:45.183
we're looking at it now,

02:13:46.140 --> 02:13:47.130
to not delay.

02:13:47.130 --> 02:13:50.590
I mean, my preference
would be to not delay voting

02:13:50.590 --> 02:13:53.870
on this today so we
could get into the work.

02:13:53.870 --> 02:13:58.153
And I would say unless
there is something

02:13:58.153 --> 02:14:01.430
that is so egregious or would have,

02:14:01.430 --> 02:14:05.049
you know, unintended
adverse consequences

02:14:05.049 --> 02:14:08.790
with the publicly owned
utilities and cooperative

02:14:09.830 --> 02:14:14.540
that we keep those any changes today

02:14:14.540 --> 02:14:17.390
in this document to a minimum.

02:14:17.390 --> 02:14:20.530
So let me just put that out there

02:14:20.530 --> 02:14:23.087
and then ask for board
comment, Mr. Mader.

02:14:28.610 --> 02:14:29.713
You're on mute.

02:14:33.100 --> 02:14:34.150
<v ->Is there a compelling reason</v>

02:14:34.150 --> 02:14:35.800
why we couldn't take the input

02:14:35.800 --> 02:14:40.720
that was provided by
speakers and have staff work

02:14:40.720 --> 02:14:45.720
perhaps a new document
for us to approve next time?

02:14:46.260 --> 02:14:49.870
It does seem as a deliberative process

02:14:49.870 --> 02:14:52.860
that I myself would prefer that unless

02:14:52.860 --> 02:14:55.680
there is some compelling
operational reason

02:14:56.590 --> 02:14:59.803
like to progression of these
WMTS that we couldn't do that.

02:15:05.560 --> 02:15:07.573
<v ->Any other board comments?</v>

02:15:11.600 --> 02:15:15.270
I guess I'm suggesting
in response to that,

02:15:15.270 --> 02:15:20.270
my suggestion is that we
again keep the changes

02:15:20.370 --> 02:15:21.400
to a minimum.

02:15:21.400 --> 02:15:24.433
And I understand that,

02:15:27.190 --> 02:15:28.890
and I think the most important one

02:15:28.890 --> 02:15:32.436
is the budget to funding one.

02:15:32.436 --> 02:15:35.790
And that the others will be part

02:15:35.790 --> 02:15:40.790
of the next wave of our
discussions and process.

02:15:41.560 --> 02:15:45.873
So that's where I am because I don't,

02:15:47.420 --> 02:15:50.210
and Jason you can help me with this.

02:15:50.210 --> 02:15:52.040
I mean, we would make changes

02:15:52.040 --> 02:15:54.940
that those wouldn't necessarily
go out to public comment

02:15:54.940 --> 02:15:56.854
and then or I don't know exactly

02:15:56.854 --> 02:15:59.690
when we're gonna meet next quarter.

02:15:59.690 --> 02:16:04.690
So I would, my preference and
recommendation to the board

02:16:06.060 --> 02:16:10.303
would be that we try
to wrangle this today.

02:16:13.820 --> 02:16:14.680
Board member Porter,

02:16:14.680 --> 02:16:16.720
do you have a statement you wanna make?

02:16:16.720 --> 02:16:17.900
<v ->Yeah, I do, right.</v>

02:16:17.900 --> 02:16:22.159
I think that we should at
least hear the three changes

02:16:22.159 --> 02:16:24.280
and we can have that discussion,

02:16:24.280 --> 02:16:26.283
even if we don't do anything today.

02:16:27.980 --> 02:16:30.620
I don't believe that the suggestions,

02:16:30.620 --> 02:16:35.620
while I was listening to
Mr. Moline isn't substantial.

02:16:36.340 --> 02:16:38.620
It's just a more, it's
a better clarification

02:16:38.620 --> 02:16:42.750
I assume for the members
that he represents.

02:16:42.750 --> 02:16:44.870
But it would be good for us as a board

02:16:44.870 --> 02:16:49.870
a collective in this arena to
hear the possible changes.

02:16:54.500 --> 02:16:58.003
<v ->Are there any objections
to going forward with that?</v>

02:17:00.444 --> 02:17:01.277
All right.

02:17:01.277 --> 02:17:04.940
So Mr. Moline if you want to proceed.

02:17:05.811 --> 02:17:07.400
<v ->Yes, Mr. Mader.
(indistinct)</v>

02:17:07.400 --> 02:17:08.700
<v ->Suggested change, right?</v>

02:17:10.110 --> 02:17:10.943
<v ->Correct.</v>

02:17:14.010 --> 02:17:14.843
Correct.

02:17:14.843 --> 02:17:16.330
These are going to be suggested changes

02:17:16.330 --> 02:17:19.233
then we'll discuss whether
or not we feel comfortable.

02:17:22.130 --> 02:17:24.110
And Jason, I will turn to you

02:17:24.110 --> 02:17:25.800
if whether we can feel comfortable

02:17:25.800 --> 02:17:30.800
walking through the
editing process in real time

02:17:31.810 --> 02:17:34.560
either accepting or rejecting those.

02:17:34.560 --> 02:17:39.370
And Mr. Moline I will then also repeat

02:17:39.370 --> 02:17:43.570
that in offering these changes,

02:17:43.570 --> 02:17:46.710
if they can be as surgical as POS,

02:17:46.710 --> 02:17:50.840
and only those that are
deemed absolutely necessary.

02:17:50.840 --> 02:17:55.840
So we can put the dial on
the table and have a discussion

02:17:57.890 --> 02:18:01.243
about it as soon as you're
done giving us any information.

02:18:03.920 --> 02:18:04.780
<v ->Okay.</v>

02:18:04.780 --> 02:18:09.233
Well, the doing that in real time,

02:18:13.110 --> 02:18:15.483
in looking at on page three,

02:18:17.690 --> 02:18:19.870
recommendation number two.

02:18:19.870 --> 02:18:21.530
And Scott Tomashefsky,

02:18:21.530 --> 02:18:26.240
I want to make sure
that you're also focused

02:18:26.240 --> 02:18:27.883
on this particular one.

02:18:29.250 --> 02:18:30.690
<v ->Excuse me, excuse me.</v>

02:18:30.690 --> 02:18:32.260
I think it would be helpful.

02:18:32.260 --> 02:18:37.260
Is it possible to have one of
our advisors share her screen

02:18:38.337 --> 02:18:43.050
so we can see the
language in front of us?

02:18:43.050 --> 02:18:45.110
<v ->Yes, I'll do that right now.</v>

02:18:45.110 --> 02:18:47.773
<v ->Okay, sorry for
interrupting, Mr. Moline.</v>

02:18:48.780 --> 02:18:49.613
<v ->All good.</v>

02:18:55.730 --> 02:19:00.730
Scott we had talked about
deleting paragraph three,

02:19:01.040 --> 02:19:01.873
I believe, right?

02:19:01.873 --> 02:19:05.720
I mean, I'm sorry, I'm just
saying this to cue Scott,

02:19:05.720 --> 02:19:09.550
and but there is language
in paragraph three

02:19:09.550 --> 02:19:14.088
that does talk about validating

02:19:14.088 --> 02:19:19.088
the plan versus actual that I'm not sure

02:19:19.850 --> 02:19:22.443
that the board wants to lose.

02:19:26.690 --> 02:19:28.170
<v Scott>Yeah, just adding to that,</v>

02:19:28.170 --> 02:19:32.120
really the notion that we're
trying to incorporate here

02:19:32.120 --> 02:19:35.561
is that the approval process
basically incorporates funding

02:19:35.561 --> 02:19:37.560
that's needed to complete any work

02:19:37.560 --> 02:19:41.253
that's included in a
wildfire mitigation plan.

02:19:42.100 --> 02:19:46.160
So it gets away from the
question of how do we do this

02:19:46.160 --> 02:19:49.446
as opposed to it's all part
of our approval process.

02:19:49.446 --> 02:19:52.690
And that becomes something
that's a little bit easier

02:19:52.690 --> 02:19:56.223
for us to describe,
as opposed to saying,

02:19:57.240 --> 02:19:58.983
how are you gonna fund this?

02:19:58.983 --> 02:20:01.925
A funding mechanism is a subset

02:20:01.925 --> 02:20:06.020
of city or district budgeting.

02:20:06.020 --> 02:20:08.040
And so that becomes first and foremost.

02:20:08.040 --> 02:20:13.040
And when we deal with the
activities that are authorized

02:20:14.450 --> 02:20:15.933
to be done in a community,

02:20:16.880 --> 02:20:18.060
they have to be funded.

02:20:18.060 --> 02:20:19.423
It's not as if we,

02:20:20.457 --> 02:20:22.440
you know, we can create
some additional funds

02:20:22.440 --> 02:20:23.347
that actually make that happen.

02:20:23.347 --> 02:20:28.050
And so it's intended to
sort of thread this needle

02:20:28.050 --> 02:20:30.625
in terms of the budgeting
element is really tied

02:20:30.625 --> 02:20:33.540
to how we fund certain activities

02:20:33.540 --> 02:20:35.770
which is part of a broader discussion

02:20:35.770 --> 02:20:38.820
that we have within the
community budgeting process

02:20:38.820 --> 02:20:41.430
that we we undertake this part is.

02:20:41.430 --> 02:20:45.700
<v ->So Scott that sentence
that we're suggesting,</v>

02:20:45.700 --> 02:20:48.680
the approval process
incorporates funding,

02:20:48.680 --> 02:20:50.770
which I'll read entirely,

02:20:50.770 --> 02:20:55.770
where should we suggest
that that sentence be added?

02:20:57.970 --> 02:21:00.940
<v Scott>It would really be
part of that first paragraph</v>

02:21:00.940 --> 02:21:02.823
with the approval process.

02:21:03.930 --> 02:21:06.300
<v ->That that would be at the
end of the first paragraph?</v>

02:21:06.300 --> 02:21:07.690
<v Scott>Yeah, but
you'd have to drop</v>

02:21:07.690 --> 02:21:09.688
only a small paragraph
as proposed to here

02:21:09.688 --> 02:21:11.976
and move that to the end

02:21:11.976 --> 02:21:14.309
of the paragraph.
<v ->Okay, so.</v>

02:21:16.287 --> 02:21:18.002
<v Scott>Well, that would
be the best way to do it.</v>

02:21:18.002 --> 02:21:19.870
If it required a little bit of
additional wordsmithing

02:21:19.870 --> 02:21:22.780
to that paragraph, that's fine.

02:21:22.780 --> 02:21:26.040
But it brings the focus on the fact

02:21:26.040 --> 02:21:29.900
that the community budgeting
is going to fund this project.

02:21:29.900 --> 02:21:33.003
If it's actually authorized as
something the city would do.

02:21:34.520 --> 02:21:38.600
<v ->So the sentence
that we have is the,</v>

02:21:38.600 --> 02:21:40.870
which we're just
debating where to put it,

02:21:40.870 --> 02:21:42.980
but, you know, we'll at
least say the sentence.

02:21:42.980 --> 02:21:45.540
The approval process
incorporates funding

02:21:48.360 --> 02:21:52.200
that is needed to complete any work

02:21:54.810 --> 02:21:58.963
that is included in any WMP.

02:21:59.950 --> 02:22:01.570
And I'll repeat that.

02:22:01.570 --> 02:22:04.140
The approval process
incorporates funding

02:22:05.200 --> 02:22:07.720
that is needed to complete any work

02:22:08.720 --> 02:22:11.773
that is included in any WMP.

02:22:13.200 --> 02:22:17.194
And we see putting
that in the first paragraph

02:22:17.194 --> 02:22:20.230
probably the second to the last sentence

02:22:20.230 --> 02:22:23.610
before only a small
paragraph is required here.

02:22:23.610 --> 02:22:24.710
Or requested here.

02:22:24.710 --> 02:22:27.290
<v Scott>And you needed
to complete The thought</v>

02:22:27.290 --> 02:22:29.750
from a board perspective,

02:22:29.750 --> 02:22:31.040
you could put a couple of words

02:22:31.040 --> 02:22:34.100
in front of that approval
process sentence

02:22:34.100 --> 02:22:36.450
and basically says the board recognizes

02:22:38.370 --> 02:22:41.530
that the approval process
incorporates funding

02:22:41.530 --> 02:22:42.853
that's needed to do this.

02:22:44.180 --> 02:22:45.020
Cause in some respect,

02:22:45.020 --> 02:22:47.210
this is sort of a
guidance and directives

02:22:47.210 --> 02:22:48.563
for us to consider.

02:22:49.944 --> 02:22:54.033
And this is more of a
statement of what we actually do.

02:22:58.829 --> 02:23:02.230
So I think it's important
to recognize that.

02:23:02.230 --> 02:23:03.193
That nuance.

02:23:06.590 --> 02:23:11.590
<v ->So Scott are you saying
the approval process</v>

02:23:13.360 --> 02:23:15.230
should incorporate funding

02:23:15.230 --> 02:23:18.000
or does incorporate
funding that is needed?

02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:20.490
<v ->Just incorporates funding.</v>

02:23:20.490 --> 02:23:23.030
The approval process
incorporates funding

02:23:23.924 --> 02:23:24.757
that is needed.
<v ->All right.</v>

02:23:24.757 --> 02:23:26.280
So I think we're good with that.

02:23:26.280 --> 02:23:28.630
I mean, I'm not speaking
for the whole board.

02:23:28.630 --> 02:23:31.321
I mean, I'm just good with
how, <v Scott>Sure.</v>

02:23:31.321 --> 02:23:35.120
<v ->You've characterized it
and given us that language.</v>

02:23:35.120 --> 02:23:36.000
I don't think we,

02:23:36.000 --> 02:23:40.620
we try not to add a lot of explanation.

02:23:40.620 --> 02:23:43.710
So this seems clear to me.

02:23:43.710 --> 02:23:48.010
So if the associations are satisfied

02:23:48.010 --> 02:23:50.363
we can move to the next topic.

02:23:51.550 --> 02:23:52.383
<v Scott>Appreciate that.</v>

02:23:52.383 --> 02:23:54.863
<v ->Well, the next
one we and Jessica,</v>

02:23:55.800 --> 02:24:00.355
I and Mario, I asked you to
put your antenna up on this one,

02:24:00.355 --> 02:24:01.803
this is regarding,

02:24:03.780 --> 02:24:06.690
we were thinking about
this being in the introduction

02:24:06.690 --> 02:24:07.733
on page II.

02:24:08.780 --> 02:24:12.440
And but we recognize that it
could be in the introduction,

02:24:12.440 --> 02:24:16.003
or it could be on the
subsequent page, III.

02:24:17.070 --> 02:24:19.240
near the bottom of that.

02:24:19.240 --> 02:24:22.107
And that is we were
asking for clarification

02:24:22.107 --> 02:24:25.830
and I think this is what Chair
Edwards was talking about

02:24:25.830 --> 02:24:27.780
or she reiterated.

02:24:27.780 --> 02:24:32.220
Clarification that the comprehensive

02:24:32.220 --> 02:24:34.390
wildfire management plan updates

02:24:34.390 --> 02:24:36.993
be prepared at least every three years.

02:24:38.600 --> 02:24:39.790
That was one element.

02:24:39.790 --> 02:24:40.860
And then the second element

02:24:40.860 --> 02:24:44.250
that the independent
evaluation be required

02:24:44.250 --> 02:24:47.640
in instances where there's
a comprehensive change

02:24:47.640 --> 02:24:49.263
to the wildfire management plan.

02:24:52.360 --> 02:24:55.483
<v ->And you feel that's
appropriate under the statute.</v>

02:24:57.520 --> 02:24:58.353
<v ->Yes.</v>

02:24:59.870 --> 02:25:00.967
Yeah.
I have this--

02:25:02.133 --> 02:25:04.680
<v Mario>The statute is silent on.</v>

02:25:04.680 --> 02:25:06.500
I just wanted to say
that statute is silent

02:25:06.500 --> 02:25:10.210
on when the independent
evaluator do the work.

02:25:10.210 --> 02:25:11.043
So.

02:25:12.980 --> 02:25:13.813
<v ->That's true.</v>

02:25:14.723 --> 02:25:15.556
<v Mario>And I think the way that,</v>

02:25:15.556 --> 02:25:17.299
well I think the (indistinct)

02:25:17.299 --> 02:25:18.470
based on what we say on the comments

02:25:18.470 --> 02:25:21.430
is that independent evaluator
would be doing the work

02:25:23.779 --> 02:25:24.612
that would be appropriate

02:25:24.612 --> 02:25:27.340
for forming the comprehensive review.

02:25:27.340 --> 02:25:30.250
By looking at industries (indistinct)

02:25:30.250 --> 02:25:33.463
and comparing with that
doing that sort of (indistinct).

02:25:41.420 --> 02:25:43.560
<v ->So yeah, the
independent evaluation</v>

02:25:43.560 --> 02:25:48.560
or evaluator language
doesn't say when it,

02:25:48.810 --> 02:25:50.757
you know, I think is Chair Edwards,

02:25:50.757 --> 02:25:51.840
you know, I mentioned before,

02:25:51.840 --> 02:25:53.640
you know, when there's a minor change

02:25:53.640 --> 02:25:58.460
or a modest change,
it's not the intent to,

02:25:58.460 --> 02:26:00.010
I forget exactly what she said,

02:26:00.010 --> 02:26:01.270
but you know the full employment

02:26:01.270 --> 02:26:03.703
for Independent Evaluators Act.

02:26:04.670 --> 02:26:06.985
And I'm sorry, I don't
mean that to sarcastically,

02:26:06.985 --> 02:26:11.985
but we do want to seek
the independent evaluation

02:26:12.890 --> 02:26:15.373
when there is a substantial change.

02:26:15.373 --> 02:26:19.150
And clearly that would
be every three years

02:26:19.150 --> 02:26:22.550
if there is a substantial
change before then,

02:26:22.550 --> 02:26:25.140
then that might be appropriate as well.

02:26:25.140 --> 02:26:28.750
But nevertheless, we're
looking for guidance

02:26:28.750 --> 02:26:33.440
on when the independent
evaluation would be done

02:26:33.440 --> 02:26:36.420
and that is when there's
a substantial change.

02:26:36.420 --> 02:26:39.502
So that's what we would
like to see in language.

02:26:39.502 --> 02:26:42.470
And I know for staff's perspective

02:26:42.470 --> 02:26:47.470
we're not being
perfect in our edits here

02:26:47.850 --> 02:26:50.603
but that's the spirit of
what we're talking about.

02:26:51.440 --> 02:26:52.758
<v ->Got it.</v>

02:26:52.758 --> 02:26:54.508
Do you have any suggested language?

02:26:58.570 --> 02:26:59.421
Let's do this--

02:26:59.421 --> 02:27:01.460
<v Jessica>The
(indistinct) Katherine</v>

02:27:01.460 --> 02:27:02.563
Go ahead Jessica.

02:27:04.240 --> 02:27:07.123
<v Jessica>I can take a
shot at it if that's helpful.</v>

02:27:08.340 --> 02:27:11.233
We could put there,

02:27:12.610 --> 02:27:15.960
or wherever you find
is the right spot for this.

02:27:15.960 --> 02:27:19.713
That the board recognizes
that the guidance,

02:27:20.710 --> 02:27:23.700
the board recognizes that comprehensive

02:27:23.700 --> 02:27:26.700
wildfire mitigation plans update

02:27:26.700 --> 02:27:29.973
are to be prepared at
least every three years.

02:27:31.660 --> 02:27:32.593
I'll pause there.

02:27:37.040 --> 02:27:38.800
Correspondingly we ask

02:27:39.926 --> 02:27:44.920
or correspondingly
independent evaluations

02:27:44.920 --> 02:27:47.530
would be required in instances

02:27:47.530 --> 02:27:50.883
where there are comprehensive changes.

02:28:09.280 --> 02:28:11.160
<v ->I don't think it's a
comprehensive update.</v>

02:28:11.160 --> 02:28:14.810
I think it's every three
years there has to be,

02:28:14.810 --> 02:28:16.590
is it called a comprehensive update?

02:28:16.590 --> 02:28:19.950
Or is it called the of
wildfire mitigation plan?

02:28:19.950 --> 02:28:21.700
And then in the interim years

02:28:21.700 --> 02:28:25.823
like year one and
two, there's an update.

02:28:28.850 --> 02:28:31.773
<v ->It calls it a comprehensive
revision of the plan.</v>

02:28:33.180 --> 02:28:34.180
<v ->Every three years.</v>

02:28:34.180 --> 02:28:35.760
Okay, comprehensively.

02:28:35.760 --> 02:28:37.720
The revision is different than an update

02:28:37.720 --> 02:28:41.410
because I think you
also have the ability to file.

02:28:41.410 --> 02:28:43.800
My recollection is to file those updates

02:28:44.640 --> 02:28:46.530
every year if you want.

02:28:46.530 --> 02:28:47.363
<v ->Right.</v>
<v Jessica>Absolutely.</v>

02:28:47.363 --> 02:28:52.330
<v ->And my understanding
of new document</v>

02:28:56.383 --> 02:29:00.010
that we presented for today

02:29:00.010 --> 02:29:04.040
is that we've also kind of
we've threaded that needle

02:29:04.040 --> 02:29:07.870
between updates and
comprehensive revision.

02:29:07.870 --> 02:29:09.586
So in the rest of the document

02:29:09.586 --> 02:29:11.310
so this would be the only place

02:29:11.310 --> 02:29:16.310
we would put that
intent in the document.

02:29:17.060 --> 02:29:18.143
Is that correct?

02:29:20.470 --> 02:29:21.720
Jessica, if you wanna answer.

02:29:21.720 --> 02:29:23.720
Jessica Nelson if you wanna answer that.

02:29:25.140 --> 02:29:28.370
<v Jessica>Yeah.</v>
I think, you know,

02:29:28.370 --> 02:29:33.370
I feel we want to address your concerns

02:29:34.430 --> 02:29:35.980
and make the information accessible.

02:29:35.980 --> 02:29:38.820
And so I think there are ways for us

02:29:38.820 --> 02:29:41.120
to provide a cover sheet or,

02:29:41.120 --> 02:29:43.760
you know, continue to talk
about how we can provide

02:29:43.760 --> 02:29:47.133
an update to you to help
you navigate the information

02:29:47.133 --> 02:29:50.030
and to provide you some
updates in the interim.

02:29:50.030 --> 02:29:53.980
And so this would cover
kind of our concerns

02:29:53.980 --> 02:29:58.980
about our ability to implement

02:29:59.150 --> 02:30:03.740
and make all of these changes
in the next couple of months,

02:30:03.740 --> 02:30:06.240
though all of the comprehensive changes

02:30:07.076 --> 02:30:11.401
would be something
that we would implement

02:30:11.401 --> 02:30:13.993
over the course of the
next couple of years.

02:30:16.351 --> 02:30:18.020
<v ->Understood.</v>

02:30:18.020 --> 02:30:20.370
Board member Armstrong,
do you have a question?

02:30:21.945 --> 02:30:22.778
<v Armstrong>Yes.</v>

02:30:22.778 --> 02:30:24.769
So just trying to
understand this a little bit.

02:30:24.769 --> 02:30:27.407
I know this is basically

02:30:27.407 --> 02:30:29.990
the advisory opinion that
we're gonna vote on today,

02:30:29.990 --> 02:30:33.350
is this kinda premature to,

02:30:33.350 --> 02:30:35.950
you know, this specifically
this language right now,

02:30:36.802 --> 02:30:40.670
in this particular document
that can't be addressed

02:30:40.670 --> 02:30:42.567
in a future document.

02:30:42.567 --> 02:30:44.660
I mean, I think there's
some time to think

02:30:44.660 --> 02:30:45.493
about some of these,

02:30:45.493 --> 02:30:49.560
a legal review just to
make sure we're not missing

02:30:49.560 --> 02:30:50.960
something might be in order.

02:31:00.412 --> 02:31:01.245
I mean I just really--

02:31:01.245 --> 02:31:02.270
<v ->Well, let's do this.</v>

02:31:02.270 --> 02:31:04.080
I think we, let's do this.

02:31:04.080 --> 02:31:05.880
Do you have a specific question?

02:31:05.880 --> 02:31:10.880
What I would propose we
do now is that we appreciate,

02:31:10.940 --> 02:31:15.460
express our appreciation
to the associations

02:31:15.460 --> 02:31:19.070
for giving us their feedback

02:31:19.070 --> 02:31:21.360
and that we dismissed them

02:31:21.360 --> 02:31:23.380
and then move to a board discussion

02:31:23.380 --> 02:31:24.850
about what we want to do

02:31:24.850 --> 02:31:27.543
with the language that's been proposed.

02:31:29.190 --> 02:31:31.662
So Mr. Porter, did you have a statement

02:31:31.662 --> 02:31:34.050
you wanted to make before we did that?

02:31:34.050 --> 02:31:36.370
Or can you wait--
<v ->No, no, no.</v>

02:31:36.370 --> 02:31:38.650
Actually that leads to what it was

02:31:38.650 --> 02:31:40.073
that I really wanted to say it.

02:31:40.073 --> 02:31:43.030
This is again what I said earlier,

02:31:43.030 --> 02:31:44.920
it'd be good for us to see this

02:31:44.920 --> 02:31:46.570
and then have that discussion.

02:31:46.570 --> 02:31:49.180
Not again adopting the language

02:31:51.260 --> 02:31:54.150
but definitely moving
to the next segment

02:31:54.150 --> 02:31:57.370
of our meeting and actually
having that discussion.

02:31:57.370 --> 02:31:58.390
Do we add it now?
<v ->Yeah.</v>

02:31:58.390 --> 02:31:59.223
<v ->Do we not add it?</v>

02:31:59.223 --> 02:32:01.023
Who has reservations?

02:32:02.520 --> 02:32:03.353
I do.

02:32:03.353 --> 02:32:04.520
I actually have one now,

02:32:04.520 --> 02:32:05.890
since I've seen the language.

02:32:05.890 --> 02:32:08.160
And it's just a question
that isn't going to be,

02:32:08.160 --> 02:32:09.460
well I don't believe it is.

02:32:09.460 --> 02:32:11.030
Going to be answered today.

02:32:11.030 --> 02:32:13.983
So yeah let's move
on to the next segment.

02:32:15.050 --> 02:32:16.320
Thank you.
<v ->Great.</v>

02:32:16.320 --> 02:32:17.492
All right.

02:32:17.492 --> 02:32:19.360
So Thank you to the associations.

02:32:19.360 --> 02:32:20.449
Mr. Moline.

02:32:20.449 --> 02:32:22.170
<v ->And I do think that
language captures</v>

02:32:22.170 --> 02:32:23.667
what we've been talking about

02:32:23.667 --> 02:32:27.890
and we definitely appreciate
the working nature of this.

02:32:27.890 --> 02:32:29.420
Sorry to have took so much time,

02:32:29.420 --> 02:32:32.083
but we appreciate the collaboration.

02:32:33.330 --> 02:32:34.390
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:32:34.390 --> 02:32:35.770
As do we.

02:32:35.770 --> 02:32:36.603
All right.

02:32:36.603 --> 02:32:39.720
So you can continue to watch the meeting

02:32:39.720 --> 02:32:43.370
but now we're gonna close
off the association discussion

02:32:43.370 --> 02:32:48.120
and move to a board discussion
on the advisory opinion.

02:32:52.390 --> 02:32:53.250
<v ->Hi Diane.</v>

02:32:53.250 --> 02:32:54.083
<v ->So.</v>

02:32:55.956 --> 02:32:58.145
So if you could
put-- Yes, Katherine.

02:32:58.145 --> 02:33:01.830
Would you like me to
continue to share the screen

02:33:01.830 --> 02:33:03.860
or stop you?
<v ->No could you,</v>

02:33:03.860 --> 02:33:06.568
I was just gonna ask
you to stop sharing please.

02:33:06.568 --> 02:33:07.401
<v ->Okay.</v>

02:33:10.710 --> 02:33:14.158
<v ->So before we move
to the particulars</v>

02:33:14.158 --> 02:33:19.158
of whether we should include
the language today or not

02:33:19.310 --> 02:33:20.900
because I think that goes to the vote.

02:33:20.900 --> 02:33:25.520
I just going to see if any
of the board members

02:33:25.520 --> 02:33:28.140
and I don't think Chair
Edwards has return.

02:33:28.140 --> 02:33:29.880
Oh I see her square there.

02:33:29.880 --> 02:33:32.363
But Chair Edwards have you returned.

02:33:34.440 --> 02:33:35.300
No.

02:33:35.300 --> 02:33:37.430
So I'll continue.

02:33:37.430 --> 02:33:39.911
Let's structure our
discussion like this.

02:33:39.911 --> 02:33:42.910
I'd like to take opening comments

02:33:42.910 --> 02:33:45.040
from any of the board members,

02:33:45.040 --> 02:33:48.520
and then have a discussion
among the board members

02:33:48.520 --> 02:33:50.920
about the document.

02:33:50.920 --> 02:33:54.850
And finally we can get to whether or not

02:33:54.850 --> 02:33:59.493
we're prepared to if we
wanna accept that language,

02:34:02.070 --> 02:34:04.290
all of the language
part of the language.

02:34:04.290 --> 02:34:07.570
And even before that,

02:34:07.570 --> 02:34:09.890
whether we want to look at it today.

02:34:09.890 --> 02:34:14.320
So why don't we first see if
there's any opening statements

02:34:14.320 --> 02:34:17.490
board member Porter,
I'm gonna start with you.

02:34:17.490 --> 02:34:18.323
<v ->Yeah.</v>

02:34:18.323 --> 02:34:22.363
I'd like to say that this
guidance document.

02:34:23.870 --> 02:34:24.703
At least I am.

02:34:24.703 --> 02:34:25.840
Very proud of it.

02:34:25.840 --> 02:34:30.723
Again, it wasn't a
document created or devised

02:34:32.280 --> 02:34:36.119
to be something of a
criticism but definitely a critique

02:34:36.119 --> 02:34:38.890
of what we need moving forward

02:34:38.890 --> 02:34:43.890
and how we will be able

02:34:43.990 --> 02:34:46.760
to express our expertise individually

02:34:47.955 --> 02:34:52.955
in examining future WMP from
the POUs and the cooperatives.

02:34:54.930 --> 02:34:57.520
We're looking for more information,

02:34:57.520 --> 02:35:02.313
more context, more how,
what, when and why from them.

02:35:03.380 --> 02:35:06.890
And we want them to give it to us

02:35:06.890 --> 02:35:11.890
in a fashion that it's collaborative

02:35:11.920 --> 02:35:16.640
and it's advantageous so
that we can get to the work

02:35:16.640 --> 02:35:19.770
that we're all here for
which is reducing the risk

02:35:19.770 --> 02:35:24.770
of municipality utilities
being a source of ignition

02:35:25.790 --> 02:35:29.869
or even dealing with black swan event.

02:35:29.869 --> 02:35:33.210
So again, very proud of this examining,

02:35:33.210 --> 02:35:36.480
many of my fellow board members

02:35:37.895 --> 02:35:41.010
have put things in there
that I probably never

02:35:41.010 --> 02:35:42.573
would have considered.

02:35:44.260 --> 02:35:45.243
Very comprehensive.

02:35:47.384 --> 02:35:49.223
Back to you, a vice chair.

02:35:50.380 --> 02:35:51.213
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:35:51.213 --> 02:35:54.630
And I wanna take this
moment to acknowledge

02:35:54.630 --> 02:35:57.555
that board member Porter was part

02:35:57.555 --> 02:36:02.030
of the publicly owned
utility and cooperative,

02:36:02.030 --> 02:36:03.740
Bagley-Keene Group.

02:36:03.740 --> 02:36:08.600
And as was Chair Edwards and myself

02:36:08.600 --> 02:36:10.771
were also in that Bagley-Keene Group,

02:36:10.771 --> 02:36:15.771
and I can attest that
if it wasn't obvious

02:36:17.840 --> 02:36:20.420
from our workshops
that board member Porter

02:36:20.420 --> 02:36:24.870
read every single one of these WMPS,

02:36:24.870 --> 02:36:29.240
and thoroughly thought
through what the process

02:36:29.240 --> 02:36:30.073
would be like.

02:36:30.073 --> 02:36:33.220
And I wanna acknowledge his contribution

02:36:33.220 --> 02:36:35.070
to great contribution,

02:36:35.070 --> 02:36:39.250
to shaping the process
not just the document

02:36:39.250 --> 02:36:40.640
that the process that we have today.

02:36:40.640 --> 02:36:42.593
So Thank you, board member Porter.

02:36:45.810 --> 02:36:47.023
Board member Armstrong.

02:36:49.410 --> 02:36:51.600
<v ->Yeah, Thanks
Vice Chair Fellman.</v>

02:36:51.600 --> 02:36:56.600
I also want to echo what
board member Porter said,

02:36:56.953 --> 02:36:59.090
that we're kinda proud of this document.

02:36:59.090 --> 02:37:01.110
It's a lot of work went into it.

02:37:01.110 --> 02:37:05.093
And again, we're just
working as a group like this,

02:37:06.160 --> 02:37:08.750
individuals that come
from different backgrounds.

02:37:08.750 --> 02:37:10.547
You know, I did learn a lot as well.

02:37:10.547 --> 02:37:15.250
You know, I personally,
the recommendations

02:37:15.250 --> 02:37:16.760
where I spent a good portion of my time

02:37:16.760 --> 02:37:19.370
were into grid design
and system hardening,

02:37:19.370 --> 02:37:21.460
vegetation management and inspection.

02:37:21.460 --> 02:37:24.376
And, you know, as I read through

02:37:24.376 --> 02:37:28.610
or read through all 50 of
those wildfire mitigation plans,

02:37:28.610 --> 02:37:31.700
you know, one of the
things that is very helpful

02:37:31.700 --> 02:37:34.460
and would be very
helpful in the future is,

02:37:34.460 --> 02:37:36.230
you know, just like any risk assessment,

02:37:36.230 --> 02:37:38.870
you know, you got identified the risks.

02:37:38.870 --> 02:37:41.853
So when we started looking
at high fire threat districts,

02:37:42.970 --> 02:37:47.640
you know, with the
POUs and even the IOUs,

02:37:47.640 --> 02:37:51.720
but, you know, just identifying
if you have those areas

02:37:52.700 --> 02:37:54.310
in your service area

02:37:55.440 --> 02:37:57.200
what assets you have in those areas,

02:37:57.200 --> 02:37:59.250
you know, just identify those risks.

02:37:59.250 --> 02:38:00.950
Once you identify the risks

02:38:00.950 --> 02:38:03.053
then you can narrow your focus on,

02:38:05.070 --> 02:38:07.700
you know, mitigating
those particular risks.

02:38:07.700 --> 02:38:12.617
So, you know, I do appreciate
all the work that went in

02:38:12.617 --> 02:38:15.890
on of the POUs from
my fellow board members.

02:38:15.890 --> 02:38:20.890
And again, just Thanks for letting me

02:38:21.460 --> 02:38:22.660
be part of this process.

02:38:26.730 --> 02:38:28.214
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:38:28.214 --> 02:38:29.623
Board member Syphard.

02:38:34.930 --> 02:38:35.763
<v ->Hi.</v>

02:38:36.630 --> 02:38:39.560
Yeah, my comments are really similar

02:38:39.560 --> 02:38:42.163
to what everybody
else has said and that,

02:38:43.550 --> 02:38:47.150
you know, the spirit has
really been one of collaboration

02:38:47.150 --> 02:38:52.150
and a lot of my input
had to do with requests

02:38:52.160 --> 02:38:54.780
for additional detail
and more information.

02:38:54.780 --> 02:38:59.420
And the idea is not to create more work

02:38:59.420 --> 02:39:03.270
or to try to pull out any kind
of confidential information,

02:39:03.270 --> 02:39:05.980
it's really to just make
the review process

02:39:05.980 --> 02:39:08.080
more efficient and effective.

02:39:08.080 --> 02:39:13.080
And so it's meant to be able to elicit

02:39:13.510 --> 02:39:17.210
that kind of information
that describes the risk

02:39:17.210 --> 02:39:21.450
so that when the plans
are evaluated and reviewed

02:39:21.450 --> 02:39:26.450
it is easier to be able to
understand the plans relative

02:39:28.240 --> 02:39:32.080
to the risk in that particular POUs.

02:39:32.080 --> 02:39:34.810
Because of course everyone is different.

02:39:34.810 --> 02:39:39.810
And something I really
liked that a lot of the POUs

02:39:40.810 --> 02:39:45.810
did was provide maps and
those maps are a nonverbal way

02:39:48.070 --> 02:39:53.070
to very effectively convey
the risk of a certain POU.

02:39:54.450 --> 02:39:57.110
It allows us to see,

02:39:57.110 --> 02:39:58.730
especially if there's air photos

02:39:58.730 --> 02:40:01.300
or satellite imagery as a background

02:40:01.300 --> 02:40:03.750
to look at the vegetation condition

02:40:03.750 --> 02:40:05.420
look at the relative amount,

02:40:05.420 --> 02:40:09.460
look at it in proximity
to the infrastructure

02:40:09.460 --> 02:40:11.030
or the assets at risk.

02:40:11.030 --> 02:40:16.030
And this speaks to something
that I contributed a lot to

02:40:17.190 --> 02:40:20.160
which was the vegetation
management part.

02:40:20.160 --> 02:40:25.160
And so I was interested in
knowing more information

02:40:27.410 --> 02:40:29.896
about why certain areas were designated

02:40:29.896 --> 02:40:33.990
in different areas of
the high fire threat zones

02:40:33.990 --> 02:40:38.990
and why those different areas
were put into those classes

02:40:39.765 --> 02:40:42.050
and then how the
treatments were designed

02:40:42.050 --> 02:40:43.990
relative to those classes.

02:40:43.990 --> 02:40:48.070
In addition to what is
done with vegetation

02:40:48.070 --> 02:40:51.490
that is not in any high
fire threats district.

02:40:51.490 --> 02:40:56.490
And again, this just allows us
to make a better assessment

02:40:56.840 --> 02:40:59.647
of the actions that are being done

02:40:59.647 --> 02:41:03.160
and proposed in the
wild term mitigation plan.

02:41:03.160 --> 02:41:07.100
And the other is the recommendation

02:41:07.100 --> 02:41:10.840
to better understand the
qualifications of the staff

02:41:10.840 --> 02:41:14.689
who are designing the
vegetation management plans

02:41:14.689 --> 02:41:18.420
or practices and who
are out there doing it.

02:41:18.420 --> 02:41:22.900
And, you know, I understand
that it's not possible

02:41:22.900 --> 02:41:25.296
to add people to the staff,

02:41:25.296 --> 02:41:28.780
but perhaps there's a
way that in the future,

02:41:28.780 --> 02:41:31.190
we could develop
collaborative opportunities

02:41:31.190 --> 02:41:32.810
or have workshops or other kinds

02:41:32.810 --> 02:41:35.730
of educational opportunities

02:41:35.730 --> 02:41:39.968
that can help to bring
ecological knowledge

02:41:39.968 --> 02:41:43.970
and scientific and botany expertise

02:41:43.970 --> 02:41:47.670
into the vegetation
management planning process.

02:41:47.670 --> 02:41:50.720
And so in the spirit of collaboration,

02:41:50.720 --> 02:41:54.330
and this is an iterative process,

02:41:54.330 --> 02:41:57.463
this is, you know, where my
comments were coming from.

02:42:01.429 --> 02:42:03.130
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:42:03.130 --> 02:42:06.700
<v ->Board member Block, do
you have any opening comments</v>

02:42:06.700 --> 02:42:08.460
on this discussion topic?

02:42:13.839 --> 02:42:15.990
<v Block>Not many.</v>

02:42:15.990 --> 02:42:20.182
Just to say that even though
there were very many of them,

02:42:20.182 --> 02:42:24.580
I really enjoyed seeing different POUs

02:42:24.580 --> 02:42:26.690
perspectives on the plans.

02:42:26.690 --> 02:42:28.773
And as I mentioned earlier,

02:42:30.520 --> 02:42:32.940
also building on what Alex just said

02:42:36.350 --> 02:42:37.690
it's helpful to get these
environmental context

02:42:37.690 --> 02:42:40.997
show where the risks are
and where the assets are

02:42:40.997 --> 02:42:43.280
and this extra information
will be super helpful

02:42:43.280 --> 02:42:44.163
in the future.

02:42:46.500 --> 02:42:48.300
And look forward to, you know,

02:42:48.300 --> 02:42:52.510
I'm also really proud of this document

02:42:52.510 --> 02:42:57.460
and really Thankful to our staff,

02:42:57.460 --> 02:43:00.350
Katherine, Jamie for getting
all our thoughts together

02:43:00.350 --> 02:43:02.760
into a coherent document.

02:43:02.760 --> 02:43:05.080
And I'm really looking forward to seeing

02:43:05.080 --> 02:43:08.440
how this is going to evolve
as an iterative process

02:43:08.440 --> 02:43:12.090
and really grateful
for the representatives

02:43:12.090 --> 02:43:15.280
today who could be with us
and collaborate with us on it.

02:43:15.280 --> 02:43:17.360
So I'm looking forward
to the future too.

02:43:17.360 --> 02:43:18.193
Thank you.

02:43:20.060 --> 02:43:21.090
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:43:21.090 --> 02:43:26.090
And rounding of the
comments, board member Mader.

02:43:27.810 --> 02:43:30.322
<v ->Well, first I want to say
how much I appreciate</v>

02:43:30.322 --> 02:43:34.190
the effort that went into
both the guidance document

02:43:34.190 --> 02:43:38.913
and to the wildfire mitigation
plan that we reviewed.

02:43:39.770 --> 02:43:42.230
It was a comfort to have my colleagues

02:43:42.230 --> 02:43:46.720
and their expertise be
able to look into areas

02:43:46.720 --> 02:43:49.450
that I'm not an expert,
but I know that they are,

02:43:49.450 --> 02:43:51.740
but I can apply that
work needed to be done.

02:43:51.740 --> 02:43:53.690
And it was great to be able to confident

02:43:53.690 --> 02:43:56.600
that, you know, my
colleagues would be able

02:43:56.600 --> 02:43:58.070
to look into those areas

02:43:58.070 --> 02:44:02.700
and provide their expertise and advice.

02:44:02.700 --> 02:44:04.907
Also, I wanted to
acknowledge the efforts

02:44:04.907 --> 02:44:08.060
of the POU engineers and others

02:44:08.060 --> 02:44:11.430
that put these plans together.

02:44:11.430 --> 02:44:16.430
I know, you know, when we
reviewed a large POU like SMUD,

02:44:17.310 --> 02:44:20.370
I expected those resources
to provide an excellent plan

02:44:20.370 --> 02:44:22.440
and I wasn't disappointed,

02:44:22.440 --> 02:44:26.340
but I was also really
impressed by the efforts

02:44:26.340 --> 02:44:31.040
of the smaller POUs in
the engineering department

02:44:31.040 --> 02:44:32.770
and the efforts that they put together.

02:44:32.770 --> 02:44:36.010
The professionalism was astonishing.

02:44:36.010 --> 02:44:38.740
And I really do appreciate that.

02:44:41.330 --> 02:44:43.360
When I looked at the entire effort,

02:44:43.360 --> 02:44:48.360
I couldn't help but notice that
there are many of the POUs,

02:44:49.210 --> 02:44:54.210
and that risk profiles are not high.

02:44:54.750 --> 02:44:59.750
That I would like to see us
look at in the grouping area

02:45:00.140 --> 02:45:03.930
about different types
of reporting levels

02:45:03.930 --> 02:45:07.650
because really what
we're looking at for is,

02:45:07.650 --> 02:45:09.390
you know, assets that are in the high

02:45:09.390 --> 02:45:10.843
fire threat risk areas.

02:45:12.010 --> 02:45:13.750
When I was looking at these plans

02:45:13.750 --> 02:45:17.800
and as noticed by others,
you know, I, you know,

02:45:17.800 --> 02:45:21.040
looked immediately to
and I read the comments

02:45:21.040 --> 02:45:23.630
in the workshop from the presenters

02:45:23.630 --> 02:45:26.390
from the IOUs, I mean POUs,

02:45:26.390 --> 02:45:30.757
reflected that the priorities
and risks reduction,

02:45:32.450 --> 02:45:35.230
vegetation inspections, maintenance,

02:45:35.230 --> 02:45:38.400
and just asset evaluation.

02:45:38.400 --> 02:45:41.214
Those are the big buckets
that we need to look at.

02:45:41.214 --> 02:45:44.800
And I caught some
really excellent work on,

02:45:44.800 --> 02:45:46.640
and I mentioned this earlier

02:45:46.640 --> 02:45:50.211
in trying to reduce the risk profile

02:45:50.211 --> 02:45:55.060
by looking at the type of
assets that they're replacing,

02:45:55.060 --> 02:45:58.620
the expulsion fuses
with non expulsion fuses,

02:45:58.620 --> 02:46:01.123
work like that,
low-hanging fruit,

02:46:01.123 --> 02:46:03.700
I saw that as done time after time.

02:46:03.700 --> 02:46:05.050
I would like to see us come up

02:46:05.050 --> 02:46:07.110
with these templates and checklists

02:46:10.300 --> 02:46:14.860
where the POUs can attest quickly

02:46:14.860 --> 02:46:16.420
that they did that analysis.

02:46:16.420 --> 02:46:20.660
You know, sometimes
the analysis was shown in

02:46:20.660 --> 02:46:22.188
it was very professional,

02:46:22.188 --> 02:46:25.690
but I was looking for, was it done?

02:46:25.690 --> 02:46:27.220
Were these things considered?

02:46:27.220 --> 02:46:30.220
And I'd like to see that in a
very quick and efficient way

02:46:30.220 --> 02:46:32.473
to be able to attest to that.

02:46:33.430 --> 02:46:36.700
And then on the operating practices,

02:46:36.700 --> 02:46:39.340
I saw diversity of approach.

02:46:39.340 --> 02:46:40.920
You know, it's going to the comments,

02:46:40.920 --> 02:46:43.700
the public comments that we heard today.

02:46:43.700 --> 02:46:46.280
You know, it's our focus on making sure

02:46:46.280 --> 02:46:48.810
that water pumps that city services,

02:46:48.810 --> 02:46:53.810
that sewer pumps all
were taken we're in power,

02:46:54.830 --> 02:46:57.950
or sometimes that the
recognition that the risk was so high

02:46:57.950 --> 02:47:00.270
that the PSPS would have to be used.

02:47:00.270 --> 02:47:01.713
I saw a diversity,

02:47:03.128 --> 02:47:04.990
and I just like to see

02:47:06.720 --> 02:47:09.880
a forum where these type of practices

02:47:09.880 --> 02:47:10.990
could be shared with each other.

02:47:10.990 --> 02:47:13.140
So we could see them proliferate

02:47:13.140 --> 02:47:14.933
through all of these plans.

02:47:16.660 --> 02:47:19.640
And then lastly, you know,

02:47:19.640 --> 02:47:22.720
when I started seeing
that when I was looking

02:47:22.720 --> 02:47:24.467
at these plans from a
technical perspective,

02:47:24.467 --> 02:47:27.470
I focused on overhead in a
high fire freight district area

02:47:27.470 --> 02:47:30.473
because that's where
the obvious risk is.

02:47:31.540 --> 02:47:34.100
But I think that we
also need to continue

02:47:34.100 --> 02:47:36.830
to encourage a questioning nature,

02:47:36.830 --> 02:47:38.240
a challenging nature,

02:47:38.240 --> 02:47:42.820
upon our assumptions about
where the risk is and to see,

02:47:42.820 --> 02:47:44.600
I'd like to incorporated

02:47:44.600 --> 02:47:47.440
into these wildfire mitigation plans,

02:47:47.440 --> 02:47:48.370
a questioning section.

02:47:48.370 --> 02:47:50.860
We have a recommendation on that.

02:47:50.860 --> 02:47:55.860
So my overall impression
was I was very pleased

02:47:59.720 --> 02:48:02.700
with the professionals and
thoroughness of the plan.

02:48:02.700 --> 02:48:06.460
And I think that there
is a lot that we can learn

02:48:06.460 --> 02:48:08.470
both from the individual plans

02:48:08.470 --> 02:48:11.583
and from the POUs from each other.

02:48:12.510 --> 02:48:13.343
Thank you.

02:48:16.350 --> 02:48:17.183
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:48:17.183 --> 02:48:22.090
And I have nothing to add
to my colleagues' statements.

02:48:24.270 --> 02:48:28.250
I feel that they covered all the bases.

02:48:28.250 --> 02:48:30.963
And again, Thank you to everyone,

02:48:34.050 --> 02:48:36.830
the board and to the
municipal associations.

02:48:36.830 --> 02:48:38.700
But and I just wanna remind everyone

02:48:38.700 --> 02:48:43.160
that we are not a paid board.

02:48:43.160 --> 02:48:44.680
We're not a permanent board

02:48:44.680 --> 02:48:49.480
that everyone has
other things that they do

02:48:49.480 --> 02:48:54.010
and the enthusiasm and
dedication that all of you

02:48:54.010 --> 02:48:59.010
as individuals to this is
really astounding thing.

02:49:02.358 --> 02:49:05.858
And I mean, it's not
only can't quite say,

02:49:07.190 --> 02:49:09.496
it's a joy to do this work

02:49:09.496 --> 02:49:12.953
but it's certainly a
pleasure to get into it.

02:49:12.953 --> 02:49:15.770
And I've learned so much from everyone.

02:49:15.770 --> 02:49:17.359
So Thank you very much

02:49:17.359 --> 02:49:20.560
for putting it together this document.

02:49:20.560 --> 02:49:25.560
And what I'd like to do
now is open discussion

02:49:27.060 --> 02:49:28.160
on the document.

02:49:28.160 --> 02:49:30.183
Let's put aside the changes.

02:49:32.400 --> 02:49:37.063
And first I'd like to
solicit if there's anyone,

02:49:37.960 --> 02:49:41.290
it seems that we've
gone over this today.

02:49:41.290 --> 02:49:44.650
We've discussed with the associations,

02:49:44.650 --> 02:49:45.540
what we were doing,

02:49:45.540 --> 02:49:48.890
now is our turn to
discuss among ourselves

02:49:48.890 --> 02:49:51.590
because of our Bagley-Keene limitations.

02:49:51.590 --> 02:49:54.481
We, our requirements
we do this in public

02:49:54.481 --> 02:49:59.481
to see if any of you have
comments on the document itself,

02:50:01.100 --> 02:50:03.410
because we have our recommendations

02:50:03.410 --> 02:50:06.453
and the purpose of
today's meeting is to,

02:50:07.360 --> 02:50:09.730
we don't adopt the document necessarily,

02:50:09.730 --> 02:50:13.680
but to vote on it and issue
it as a public statement

02:50:13.680 --> 02:50:15.200
of our position.

02:50:15.200 --> 02:50:20.200
And so is there anyone who
wants to make either comments

02:50:25.360 --> 02:50:29.150
in support of a document
and what we've done?

02:50:29.150 --> 02:50:31.481
I think most of you
have done that already.

02:50:31.481 --> 02:50:34.680
So maybe I should see if there's anyone

02:50:34.680 --> 02:50:36.943
who has any exceptions

02:50:36.943 --> 02:50:39.910
that they wanted take
where they do not agree

02:50:39.910 --> 02:50:43.450
with the document and perhaps
would write a concurrence

02:50:43.450 --> 02:50:47.030
or that would have a
different point of view

02:50:47.030 --> 02:50:50.130
than we have already
included in the document.

02:50:50.130 --> 02:50:52.823
So I'll just open that up to the board.

02:50:54.720 --> 02:50:56.190
Is there any basic,

02:50:56.190 --> 02:50:57.940
that was a very long way of saying,

02:50:59.120 --> 02:51:04.120
I've heard that everyone
supports the document based

02:51:04.578 --> 02:51:06.793
on their individual reviews.

02:51:07.860 --> 02:51:12.860
Is there anyone who has
any exceptions or differences

02:51:14.260 --> 02:51:17.050
that they want to put
out to the full board now

02:51:17.050 --> 02:51:21.120
for either writing a concurrence

02:51:21.120 --> 02:51:24.143
or potentially changing the document?

02:51:26.610 --> 02:51:28.580
And I'm just looking for a show of hands

02:51:28.580 --> 02:51:31.433
if anyone has anything
to say on that topic.

02:51:33.710 --> 02:51:37.913
Seeing none, we'll
now turn to the changes.

02:51:39.105 --> 02:51:43.840
In the chat, what I've done
on the side is asked Katherine

02:51:43.840 --> 02:51:47.760
to prepare a document
with just the changes

02:51:49.070 --> 02:51:52.040
and then Jason to tell
us what our options are

02:51:52.040 --> 02:51:55.130
and then we can discuss
what we wanna do about those.

02:51:55.130 --> 02:51:57.853
So, Katherine, could you
please share your screen?

02:52:07.520 --> 02:52:10.203
And then could you walk
us through both changes?

02:52:12.670 --> 02:52:17.390
<v ->So the change here,</v>

02:52:17.390 --> 02:52:22.340
the request from the POUs association

02:52:22.340 --> 02:52:25.190
was to the sentence here.

02:52:25.190 --> 02:52:27.157
This is on page III.

02:52:30.747 --> 02:52:33.617
"The board recognizes
that comprehensive revisions

02:52:33.617 --> 02:52:37.607
"of the plan are to be prepared
at least every three years.

02:52:37.607 --> 02:52:39.987
"Correspondingly,
independent evaluations

02:52:39.987 --> 02:52:41.567
"are required in instances

02:52:41.567 --> 02:52:43.647
"where there are comprehensive changes."

02:52:44.730 --> 02:52:47.930
Those two sentences inserted at the end

02:52:47.930 --> 02:52:50.423
of the introductory section.

02:52:58.701 --> 02:53:02.270
The only other changes
were in this section two.

02:53:02.270 --> 02:53:03.170
And...

02:53:07.530 --> 02:53:08.653
When did it go away?

02:53:09.790 --> 02:53:14.790
They wanted to recommend in
that changing budget to funding.

02:53:15.580 --> 02:53:17.483
In several instances,

02:53:20.080 --> 02:53:22.080
when I heard that recommendation

02:53:22.080 --> 02:53:24.750
this is how I incorporated that.

02:53:24.750 --> 02:53:27.560
So there is budget is in one place

02:53:27.560 --> 02:53:29.963
but it was just in this first sentence.

02:53:31.560 --> 02:53:33.430
Municipalities have year-round budgets

02:53:33.430 --> 02:53:35.550
but in all other
instances, I changed it,

02:53:35.550 --> 02:53:39.660
and then funding from changing,

02:53:39.660 --> 02:53:43.133
and here where it said so
this sentence is additionally,

02:53:45.084 --> 02:53:46.967
"WSAB is interested in understanding

02:53:46.967 --> 02:53:48.987
"the context regarding how utilities are

02:53:48.987 --> 02:53:51.400
"then validating their plan."

02:53:51.400 --> 02:53:52.960
And before it said budget,

02:53:52.960 --> 02:53:56.980
but said, I put funding allowances

02:53:56.980 --> 02:53:59.990
and reporting that
to the board to the...

02:54:00.987 --> 02:54:03.277
"Reporting to the board
that the funding was used

02:54:03.277 --> 02:54:04.537
"the way it was planned."

02:54:06.120 --> 02:54:08.200
So that was me with the word funding.

02:54:08.200 --> 02:54:11.847
And then the other change
is that to add the sentence,

02:54:11.847 --> 02:54:14.277
"The approval process
incorporates funding

02:54:14.277 --> 02:54:16.167
"that is needed to complete any work

02:54:16.167 --> 02:54:19.447
"that is included in any WMP."

02:54:22.660 --> 02:54:23.670
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:54:23.670 --> 02:54:26.666
And now I'll call upon Jason Reiger

02:54:26.666 --> 02:54:29.620
to tell us what our options are

02:54:29.620 --> 02:54:31.783
with respect to this language.

02:54:35.820 --> 02:54:37.320
<v Jason>Yes, good afternoon.</v>

02:54:38.530 --> 02:54:41.510
I believe the board has
a couple options before it.

02:54:41.510 --> 02:54:44.080
It could vote out this document

02:54:44.080 --> 02:54:47.670
without any of the edits suggested.

02:54:47.670 --> 02:54:50.680
It could vote out the
document with the edits

02:54:50.680 --> 02:54:55.080
that are up here on screen
and the public has seen.

02:54:55.080 --> 02:54:58.110
It could also continue
to make more edits

02:54:58.110 --> 02:55:00.880
if it so chose right here right now

02:55:00.880 --> 02:55:02.763
on the public facing screen.

02:55:04.250 --> 02:55:09.250
It could also give staff some
direction to edit the document

02:55:10.120 --> 02:55:13.800
and then come back at the
next meeting and vote it out

02:55:13.800 --> 02:55:17.593
with version 2.0 or
whatever we want to call it.

02:55:19.570 --> 02:55:21.940
Lastly, you could vote it out today

02:55:21.940 --> 02:55:26.593
pursuant to those
options I just gave you.

02:55:26.593 --> 02:55:28.040
And if you chose,

02:55:28.040 --> 02:55:31.350
you could bring it back
at a few future dates

02:55:32.290 --> 02:55:34.340
and agenda size it properly,

02:55:34.340 --> 02:55:38.153
and make additional
edits or revisions then.

02:55:39.460 --> 02:55:41.900
That may not be your
first choice given the time

02:55:41.900 --> 02:55:46.460
and perhaps confusion
of the stakeholders

02:55:46.460 --> 02:55:49.140
as to if they're not tracking

02:55:49.140 --> 02:55:52.130
that it was subsequently revised.

02:55:52.130 --> 02:55:54.743
But it is an option available to you.

02:55:56.680 --> 02:55:57.513
Thank you.

02:55:59.530 --> 02:56:00.583
<v ->Thank you, Jason.</v>

02:56:02.180 --> 02:56:06.143
So we've had, so Katherine,

02:56:08.610 --> 02:56:12.133
I think you could take
your screen down now.

02:56:16.460 --> 02:56:17.293
<v ->Will do.</v>

02:56:17.293 --> 02:56:21.830
<v ->And then we have
had a couple opinions.</v>

02:56:21.830 --> 02:56:25.050
So now that we've heard
from our legal counsel

02:56:25.050 --> 02:56:27.130
and seeing the changes,

02:56:27.130 --> 02:56:32.130
I'm going to first call
upon board member Porter

02:56:32.270 --> 02:56:37.140
just to see what your
view is on this language

02:56:37.140 --> 02:56:41.390
and whether we can adopt it.

02:56:41.390 --> 02:56:44.670
You have any changes
that you would like to see

02:56:44.670 --> 02:56:48.130
and adopt today or you
still feel we need more time

02:56:48.130 --> 02:56:48.963
to look at it?

02:56:48.963 --> 02:56:53.020
Or what option would you
feel comfortable with today?

02:56:53.020 --> 02:56:55.100
<v ->So I was tracking with Jason</v>

02:56:55.100 --> 02:56:58.740
and to let you know the the first change

02:56:59.752 --> 02:57:02.280
concerning funding,

02:57:02.280 --> 02:57:04.870
there is absolutely
no substantial change

02:57:04.870 --> 02:57:06.193
to what we meant there.

02:57:07.180 --> 02:57:09.100
It gives us a little
bit more clarification

02:57:09.100 --> 02:57:13.020
and if it makes the
POUs more comfortable,

02:57:13.020 --> 02:57:15.313
I'm good with adding that change.

02:57:16.150 --> 02:57:21.150
The problem I do have is with
the IE being employed under,

02:57:26.800 --> 02:57:29.483
I think it wasn't substantial,
comprehensive changes.

02:57:31.589 --> 02:57:34.910
I don't wanna obligate
them even though I don't think

02:57:34.910 --> 02:57:39.230
they anticipated this or anticipate us

02:57:39.230 --> 02:57:42.260
ever interpreting it this way

02:57:42.260 --> 02:57:47.260
but eliminating the access
to an independent evaluator.

02:57:49.860 --> 02:57:54.223
And also, how are we going to
define what comprehensive is?

02:57:55.570 --> 02:57:57.780
Ultimately, we're looking
at a comprehensive

02:57:57.780 --> 02:57:59.810
happening every three years.

02:57:59.810 --> 02:58:04.810
Would that be instituting a
whole replacement program

02:58:06.620 --> 02:58:10.490
as a part of the hardening protocols?

02:58:10.490 --> 02:58:12.730
Is that substantial enough

02:58:12.730 --> 02:58:16.430
or comprehensive enough to employ

02:58:16.430 --> 02:58:18.500
or elicit a independent evaluator?

02:58:18.500 --> 02:58:20.570
Would we even interpret that?

02:58:20.570 --> 02:58:23.970
That I'm a little weary about that.

02:58:23.970 --> 02:58:25.890
However, the funding,

02:58:25.890 --> 02:58:29.283
if we could split the
baby in half today,

02:58:31.430 --> 02:58:34.390
I could see adding the
language for funding

02:58:34.390 --> 02:58:37.610
or removing budget and adding funding.

02:58:37.610 --> 02:58:42.383
There is no substantial
or contextual change there.

02:58:44.730 --> 02:58:45.563
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:58:45.563 --> 02:58:47.130
And I'm right with you.

02:58:47.130 --> 02:58:48.740
I'll just put that out for the board.

02:58:48.740 --> 02:58:53.740
I concur exactly with
that view and it's not,

02:58:56.320 --> 02:59:00.080
and I'll use the vice-chair prerogative.

02:59:00.080 --> 02:59:03.750
It's not that I necessarily disagree

02:59:03.750 --> 02:59:06.280
with the language on the IE.

02:59:06.280 --> 02:59:10.703
It's just to me, it's a
substantive statement

02:59:13.130 --> 02:59:17.120
and deserves more
thought and conversation.

02:59:17.120 --> 02:59:19.716
And then there's a whole
idea of the document

02:59:19.716 --> 02:59:22.337
and we talk about that
later in the document

02:59:22.337 --> 02:59:25.307
and it's recommendations

02:59:25.307 --> 02:59:27.307
and we wanna look at the role of the IE.

02:59:28.230 --> 02:59:33.140
Okay so is there anyone who
has a different point of view

02:59:33.140 --> 02:59:35.280
than board member Porter put out

02:59:35.280 --> 02:59:38.143
about perhaps splitting this today?

02:59:40.180 --> 02:59:42.310
Mr. Armstrong.

02:59:42.310 --> 02:59:43.600
<v ->So, yes.</v>

02:59:43.600 --> 02:59:46.160
I agree a hundred
percent with the changing.

02:59:46.160 --> 02:59:51.160
I mean to me changing the
language from a budget to funding

02:59:51.728 --> 02:59:56.045
is not an issue at all with
just one change to that.

02:59:56.045 --> 03:00:00.430
And I think it was brought
up in the conversation

03:00:00.430 --> 03:00:03.380
but making the change
to the beginning of that,

03:00:03.380 --> 03:00:05.610
just basically that the board recognizes

03:00:07.260 --> 03:00:08.623
in front of that sentence.

03:00:12.870 --> 03:00:14.480
<v ->Katherine, did you note that?</v>

03:00:14.480 --> 03:00:17.810
Does anyone have an
objection to that change?

03:00:17.810 --> 03:00:18.713
<v ->Can I see it?</v>

03:00:23.440 --> 03:00:24.890
<v ->And while she's
pulling that up,</v>

03:00:24.890 --> 03:00:27.220
is there anyone else who,

03:00:27.220 --> 03:00:30.960
so what's on the table we'll
take a motion to this effect.

03:00:30.960 --> 03:00:35.550
But what's on the table
is adopting this change

03:00:35.550 --> 03:00:40.550
on the part two on the
budget to funding shift

03:00:42.610 --> 03:00:47.070
and then tabling not making the change

03:00:47.070 --> 03:00:50.890
and tabling the discussion
on the every three years

03:00:50.890 --> 03:00:53.663
comprehensive plan/IE role.

03:00:54.740 --> 03:00:57.273
So does anyone have
a different point of view?

03:00:59.480 --> 03:01:00.313
All right.

03:01:00.313 --> 03:01:02.401
Hearing none let's look at the language.

03:01:02.401 --> 03:01:04.222
<v Mader>I had my hand up.</v>
<v ->Mr. Mader.</v>

03:01:04.222 --> 03:01:06.540
I can't see you, unfortunately.

03:01:06.540 --> 03:01:08.870
So if you want to raise your hand,

03:01:08.870 --> 03:01:10.140
please put it in the chat

03:01:10.140 --> 03:01:13.740
because I can only see
a few people at a time.

03:01:13.740 --> 03:01:18.123
And was that board member Mader?

03:01:19.670 --> 03:01:21.337
<v Mader>Thank you.</v>

03:01:21.337 --> 03:01:23.287
I'm looking at the sentence,

03:01:23.287 --> 03:01:25.730
"The approval process incorporates."

03:01:25.730 --> 03:01:29.086
I also have no problem
changing budgets to funding.

03:01:29.086 --> 03:01:31.510
That's not a problem.

03:01:31.510 --> 03:01:33.623
But the approval process incorporates,

03:01:35.180 --> 03:01:37.710
approval process incorporates
funding that is needed

03:01:37.710 --> 03:01:41.470
to complete any work that
is included in any WMP.

03:01:41.470 --> 03:01:44.600
Is that statement actually accurate?

03:01:44.600 --> 03:01:49.150
I mean, isn't there other
a way that you can get

03:01:49.150 --> 03:01:53.930
funding for projects
that might be in a WMP?

03:01:53.930 --> 03:01:54.833
I don't know.

03:01:57.300 --> 03:02:00.523
I just wonder if that
statement is accurate.

03:02:02.083 --> 03:02:05.040
<v ->So that's the statement
that was given to us</v>

03:02:05.040 --> 03:02:09.140
by the joint associations.

03:02:09.140 --> 03:02:11.500
And I think the implication

03:02:11.500 --> 03:02:16.500
was that they wanted
to have us acknowledge

03:02:17.990 --> 03:02:22.633
that whatever work was laid
out in the WMP would be funded.

03:02:23.735 --> 03:02:28.735
So there may be other
work that's not in the WMP,

03:02:31.190 --> 03:02:33.070
but goes to wildfire.

03:02:33.070 --> 03:02:34.610
I don't know.

03:02:34.610 --> 03:02:37.533
But this is how they characterize it.

03:02:41.930 --> 03:02:46.760
<v Mader>Well, but the
approval process referenced</v>

03:02:46.760 --> 03:02:49.060
in the sentence above references

03:02:49.060 --> 03:02:52.610
public utilities code
section so forth and so on.

03:02:52.610 --> 03:02:57.390
And so is that second
sentence consistent

03:02:57.390 --> 03:03:01.840
with public utilities
code section 83,87,

03:03:01.840 --> 03:03:05.175
cause it seems like
that additional sentence

03:03:05.175 --> 03:03:08.020
is referring to the approval process

03:03:08.020 --> 03:03:11.183
which we have linked
to the public utilities code.

03:03:13.610 --> 03:03:15.793
<v ->Vice chair this is
board member Porter.</v>

03:03:17.070 --> 03:03:19.560
Reading this it's with the addition

03:03:19.560 --> 03:03:24.470
of board member Armstrong
the board recognizes the...

03:03:24.470 --> 03:03:26.660
We're saying we recognize the process

03:03:26.660 --> 03:03:31.660
that any protocols or
programs that are to be done

03:03:32.521 --> 03:03:36.890
in the plan have an approval process.

03:03:36.890 --> 03:03:38.870
And then what we're really asking for

03:03:38.870 --> 03:03:41.090
is additional context, right?

03:03:41.090 --> 03:03:44.483
So, which is the next sentence to that.

03:03:45.570 --> 03:03:50.570
Those in conjunction give the
right contextual meaning part.

03:03:52.330 --> 03:03:53.440
At least I believe so.

03:03:53.440 --> 03:03:54.633
Unless I'm wrong.

03:03:57.080 --> 03:03:59.380
Board member Mader,
do you see it differently?

03:04:02.070 --> 03:04:07.037
<v Mader>I may be nitpicking too
much, board member Porter.</v>

03:04:07.037 --> 03:04:10.080
(Porter laughs)

03:04:10.080 --> 03:04:15.080
<v ->So as the lawyer of our
group not legal counsel</v>

03:04:16.770 --> 03:04:18.113
but I am a lawyer.

03:04:19.140 --> 03:04:23.030
That section and we
quoted it specifically

03:04:23.030 --> 03:04:24.480
because there was some question

03:04:24.480 --> 03:04:27.209
about how to describe
the approval process

03:04:27.209 --> 03:04:28.900
and the governing boards.

03:04:28.900 --> 03:04:33.900
Just requires a governing
board to approve the WMP.

03:04:34.400 --> 03:04:37.920
So we're not what this added sentence

03:04:38.910 --> 03:04:42.670
is it defines what should
be included in that process.

03:04:42.670 --> 03:04:47.080
And I think if I may observe

03:04:48.600 --> 03:04:51.277
what this attempts to do is say,

03:04:51.277 --> 03:04:53.517
"Hey if you're bringing
a governing board

03:04:53.517 --> 03:04:57.407
"or director of my agency or
whatever public process I have

03:04:57.407 --> 03:05:00.227
"at the end of it I wanna
make sure I have money,

03:05:00.227 --> 03:05:02.897
"as well as a plan.

03:05:02.897 --> 03:05:05.890
"I have money to implement the plan."

03:05:05.890 --> 03:05:08.543
So that's how I see it,
board member Mader.

03:05:13.470 --> 03:05:15.797
<v Mader>Thank you,
Vice chair Fellman.</v>

03:05:15.797 --> 03:05:19.543
And I don't really have a
significant objection to this.

03:05:22.370 --> 03:05:23.203
<v ->All right.</v>

03:05:23.203 --> 03:05:24.489
Is there any other, Thank you.

03:05:24.489 --> 03:05:26.989
Is there any other discussion?

03:05:28.770 --> 03:05:32.240
So I will now entertain the first.

03:05:32.240 --> 03:05:37.240
We're gonna have two
votes and legal counsel Reiger

03:05:37.570 --> 03:05:39.680
has informed us that we
have to do roll call votes

03:05:39.680 --> 03:05:42.850
for virtual meetings per
the Governor's guidance.

03:05:42.850 --> 03:05:44.073
So we will do that.

03:05:45.370 --> 03:05:47.970
May I have a motion with respect

03:05:47.970 --> 03:05:51.223
to this additional language proposal?

03:05:52.420 --> 03:05:54.550
And I'll look to board member Porter,

03:05:54.550 --> 03:05:56.300
since he came up with the idea.

03:05:56.300 --> 03:05:58.200
(Porter laughs)

03:05:58.200 --> 03:06:00.010
<v ->I'd like to put forth a motion</v>

03:06:00.010 --> 03:06:05.010
to adopt new language in section two,

03:06:07.790 --> 03:06:10.680
with plan structure added,

03:06:10.680 --> 03:06:15.680
changing the word budget to
funding and adding the sentence,

03:06:16.797 --> 03:06:20.047
"The board recognizes
their approval process

03:06:20.047 --> 03:06:24.047
"incorporates funding that is
needed to complete any work

03:06:24.047 --> 03:06:26.317
"that is included in any WMP."

03:06:28.930 --> 03:06:30.063
<v ->Is there a second?</v>

03:06:31.990 --> 03:06:33.353
<v Armstrong>I'll second that.</v>

03:06:34.967 --> 03:06:37.380
<v ->Board member Armstrong.</v>

03:06:37.380 --> 03:06:39.180
We'll go to discussion.

03:06:39.180 --> 03:06:42.020
Board member Porter may I
make a friendly amendment

03:06:42.020 --> 03:06:47.020
based on our legal counsel's
input and just add at the end

03:06:47.080 --> 03:06:51.740
as shown public, during
our public meeting today.

03:06:51.740 --> 03:06:53.680
So we can indicate
that this was something

03:06:53.680 --> 03:06:56.070
that was discussed publicly.

03:06:56.070 --> 03:06:57.337
<v ->Yes.</v>

03:06:57.337 --> 03:06:58.170
I'm in favor.

03:06:58.170 --> 03:06:59.003
<v ->Okay.</v>

03:06:59.890 --> 03:07:02.143
Any other discussion on this motion?

03:07:04.800 --> 03:07:09.800
I'm gonna ask Jamie, if
you can go off mute to,

03:07:11.540 --> 03:07:13.420
in one of your last official acts

03:07:13.420 --> 03:07:15.073
to call the roll for our vote.

03:07:16.290 --> 03:07:17.123
<v ->Sure.</v>

03:07:18.470 --> 03:07:21.953
So we will start with
Vice Chair Fellman.

03:07:23.380 --> 03:07:24.213
<v ->Aye.</v>

03:07:25.200 --> 03:07:27.222
<v ->Board member Porter.</v>

03:07:27.222 --> 03:07:28.555
<v ->Aye.</v>

03:07:28.555 --> 03:07:30.874
<v ->Board member Armstrong.</v>

03:07:30.874 --> 03:07:32.661
<v Armstrong>Aye.</v>

03:07:32.661 --> 03:07:35.009
<v ->Board member Block.</v>

03:07:35.009 --> 03:07:36.681
<v Block>Aye.</v>

03:07:36.681 --> 03:07:38.446
<v ->Board member Mader.</v>

03:07:38.446 --> 03:07:39.921
<v Mader>Aye.</v>

03:07:39.921 --> 03:07:41.838
<v ->Board member Syphard.</v>

03:07:43.072 --> 03:07:43.905
<v ->Aye.</v>

03:07:44.908 --> 03:07:49.908
<v ->And Chair Edwards
is unavailable.</v>

03:07:51.372 --> 03:07:53.539
So with the motion passes.

03:07:54.795 --> 03:07:55.628
Thank you.

03:07:56.530 --> 03:08:00.197
<v ->And so the next task
we have is the forest</v>

03:08:01.566 --> 03:08:03.149
is moving adoption.

03:08:04.166 --> 03:08:07.297
The guidance, I'm gonna read the title.

03:08:07.297 --> 03:08:08.847
"Guidance advisory opinion

03:08:08.847 --> 03:08:12.387
"for the 2021 wildfire mitigation plans

03:08:12.387 --> 03:08:16.949
"of electric publicly owned
utilities and cooperatives.

03:08:16.949 --> 03:08:21.860
"as amended by the last vote
as revised by the last vote."

03:08:21.860 --> 03:08:26.693
Is there someone who would
like to move that for adoption?

03:08:34.492 --> 03:08:36.630
Board member Porter.

03:08:36.630 --> 03:08:38.230
(Porter laughs)
(Fellman laughs)

03:08:38.230 --> 03:08:40.530
<v ->I like to make a motion
to adopt the amending--</v>

03:08:40.530 --> 03:08:43.442
<v ->We call this a
volunteer, right?</v>

03:08:43.442 --> 03:08:44.515
(Porter laughs)

03:08:44.515 --> 03:08:48.182
<v ->The advisory guidance
document as amended.</v>

03:08:53.332 --> 03:08:55.915
<v ->And I'll second that.</v>
<v ->Sure.</v>

03:08:57.147 --> 03:08:57.980
Thank you.

03:08:57.980 --> 03:08:59.230
Any discussion?

03:09:03.834 --> 03:09:05.388
All right.

03:09:05.388 --> 03:09:09.272
Ms. Orman, will you please
call the board for a vote.

03:09:09.272 --> 03:09:10.775
<v ->Absolutely.</v>

03:09:10.775 --> 03:09:15.076
On the topic of the
guidance advisory opinion

03:09:15.076 --> 03:09:18.192
with the amended
language in section two,

03:09:18.192 --> 03:09:20.383
Vice Chair Fellman.

03:09:20.383 --> 03:09:21.975
<v ->Aye.</v>

03:09:21.975 --> 03:09:23.791
<v ->Board member Porter.</v>

03:09:23.791 --> 03:09:25.119
<v ->Aye.</v>

03:09:25.119 --> 03:09:27.043
<v ->Board member Armstrong.</v>

03:09:27.043 --> 03:09:27.876
<v ->Aye.</v>

03:09:28.750 --> 03:09:31.167
<v ->Board member Block.</v>

03:09:31.167 --> 03:09:32.940
<v Block>Aye.</v>

03:09:32.940 --> 03:09:34.659
<v ->Board member Mader.</v>

03:09:34.659 --> 03:09:35.492
<v ->Aye.</v>

03:09:36.616 --> 03:09:38.815
Board member Syphard.

03:09:38.815 --> 03:09:39.830
<v ->Aye.</v>

03:09:39.830 --> 03:09:42.623
<v ->And Chair Edwards
are your back?</v>

03:09:43.690 --> 03:09:45.140
Chair Edwards is unavailable.

03:09:46.540 --> 03:09:47.513
The motion passes.

03:09:50.900 --> 03:09:52.263
Thank you very much.

03:09:53.702 --> 03:09:56.120
What a way to end the year,

03:09:56.120 --> 03:10:00.793
a lot of hard work by everyone
on this and everything else.

03:10:01.712 --> 03:10:05.280
And under very challenging circumstances

03:10:07.900 --> 03:10:09.210
who knew we, you know,

03:10:09.210 --> 03:10:10.730
when we saw each other in March

03:10:10.730 --> 03:10:13.080
that this is right where we'd be meeting

03:10:13.080 --> 03:10:14.000
for all these times.

03:10:14.000 --> 03:10:15.610
So Thank you all.

03:10:15.610 --> 03:10:18.247
Thank you to the
publicly owned utilities

03:10:18.247 --> 03:10:22.290
and electric cooperative
again for bringing this forward

03:10:22.290 --> 03:10:23.410
and working with us.

03:10:23.410 --> 03:10:26.770
And we look forward to
the continuing collaboration

03:10:26.770 --> 03:10:27.623
in the new year.

03:10:30.970 --> 03:10:32.240
Are there any...

03:10:33.530 --> 03:10:34.720
Before we have...

03:10:36.270 --> 03:10:38.510
Actually let's have our
public comment next.

03:10:38.510 --> 03:10:41.040
So as we end, today's
meeting with a final round

03:10:41.040 --> 03:10:43.780
of public comment, we'd like,

03:10:43.780 --> 03:10:45.330
I did the Thank yous already.

03:10:45.330 --> 03:10:47.710
If you'd like to participate
in this final round

03:10:47.710 --> 03:10:49.340
of public comment,

03:10:49.340 --> 03:10:53.127
the phone number is +1 800-857-1917.

03:10:55.530 --> 03:11:00.370
And the passcode is 1767567.

03:11:00.370 --> 03:11:03.493
And press *1 to get in the queue.

03:11:04.860 --> 03:11:06.040
So let's check now

03:11:06.040 --> 03:11:09.050
with the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board email box.

03:11:09.050 --> 03:11:11.313
Katherine Stockton,
do we have any emails?

03:11:19.350 --> 03:11:20.650
Katherine, you're on mute.

03:11:23.310 --> 03:11:24.370
<v ->Thank you.</v>

03:11:24.370 --> 03:11:28.083
We have a few public
comments in the email.

03:11:29.211 --> 03:11:33.543
Briangavin@130, Dear sir or Madam,

03:11:34.420 --> 03:11:35.680
my name is Brian Gavin,

03:11:35.680 --> 03:11:37.480
and I have lived in home service

03:11:37.480 --> 03:11:40.560
by Southern California
Edison most of my life.

03:11:40.560 --> 03:11:44.600
We all we always had Santa
Ana winds events before.

03:11:44.600 --> 03:11:47.940
I don't remember a year
when we didn't have them.

03:11:47.940 --> 03:11:49.881
I don't remember these power outages.

03:11:49.881 --> 03:11:51.810
So what has changed.

03:11:51.810 --> 03:11:54.630
Now South Cal Edison
is a private company.

03:11:54.630 --> 03:11:56.610
They don't care about customers.

03:11:56.610 --> 03:11:58.330
They care about the bottom line

03:11:58.330 --> 03:12:01.890
and making as much money
for their shareholders as possible.

03:12:01.890 --> 03:12:04.084
Shutting off the power
is more dangerous.

03:12:04.084 --> 03:12:07.260
During the cold night, the other nights,

03:12:07.260 --> 03:12:10.430
my only option for warmth
was lighting the burners

03:12:10.430 --> 03:12:11.423
on my stove.

03:12:13.275 --> 03:12:15.160
I have several has health conditions

03:12:15.160 --> 03:12:16.960
I'm currently dealing with.

03:12:16.960 --> 03:12:19.390
I was forced to prep
myself for a procedure,

03:12:19.390 --> 03:12:22.910
I couldn't reschedule by
candlelight and without water.

03:12:22.910 --> 03:12:24.910
My home is serviced by a well,

03:12:24.910 --> 03:12:26.370
if I don't have electricity

03:12:26.370 --> 03:12:29.090
I'm without lights, heat, and water.

03:12:29.090 --> 03:12:30.470
My solution to this problem

03:12:30.470 --> 03:12:33.330
would be to take the power
companies over again.

03:12:33.330 --> 03:12:37.090
Infrastructure should not
be a get rich quick game

03:12:37.090 --> 03:12:38.260
as it is now.

03:12:38.260 --> 03:12:41.490
Clearly your regulations
have failed us as a society.

03:12:41.490 --> 03:12:44.210
My question to you is how
do you plan on fixing this mess

03:12:44.210 --> 03:12:47.720
because we cannot continue
living in the dark ages.

03:12:47.720 --> 03:12:49.463
Very disappointed, Brian Gavin.

03:12:50.940 --> 03:12:51.920
The next.

03:12:51.920 --> 03:12:56.920
There was a note from
the Acton Town Council,

03:12:56.930 --> 03:12:58.130
Jacqueline Heir.

03:12:58.130 --> 03:12:59.320
She said that she was on the phone

03:12:59.320 --> 03:13:00.720
and she'd like to make a public comment.

03:13:00.720 --> 03:13:03.900
So we'll be diving into that soon,

03:13:03.900 --> 03:13:07.023
dial *1 to get in the
queue with the operator.

03:13:08.250 --> 03:13:11.897
Then we have one
question from Daniel Zargosa

03:13:19.800 --> 03:13:24.130
from Grid Subject Matter Experts,

03:13:24.130 --> 03:13:25.390
but it was a question

03:13:25.390 --> 03:13:28.860
about the independent evaluator change.

03:13:28.860 --> 03:13:30.307
And he said, "What is the definition

03:13:30.307 --> 03:13:33.887
"of a comprehensive or
substantial update of the WMP?

03:13:33.887 --> 03:13:38.687
"It should be clear when
when a IE is required

03:13:38.687 --> 03:13:40.317
"other than every three years."

03:13:42.300 --> 03:13:46.913
And then finally one from Bill Slocum.

03:13:47.927 --> 03:13:52.137
"Dear all please see the attached
email from McKell Genoche.

03:13:52.137 --> 03:13:55.440
"from Kagel Canyon
regarding PSPS shutdown."

03:13:55.440 --> 03:13:57.327
So the email from McKell reads,

03:13:57.327 --> 03:14:00.807
"With the COVID crisis a
lot of people work from home

03:14:00.807 --> 03:14:02.327
"and kids are homeschooled.

03:14:02.327 --> 03:14:04.197
"With these nonstop power outages

03:14:04.197 --> 03:14:08.337
"we lose money and our kids
miss a lot of important classes.

03:14:08.337 --> 03:14:11.067
"I understand that it is for our safety

03:14:11.067 --> 03:14:12.687
"and to prevent wildfires,

03:14:12.687 --> 03:14:14.727
"but cutting off the
power on any windy day

03:14:14.727 --> 03:14:17.617
"is just avoiding solving the problem

03:14:17.617 --> 03:14:19.277
"and making a real investment.

03:14:19.277 --> 03:14:22.627
"In Europe they buried their
power lines decades ago,

03:14:22.627 --> 03:14:25.667
"and I don't know if
it's the right solution

03:14:25.667 --> 03:14:27.497
"but at least they did
something concrete

03:14:27.497 --> 03:14:28.847
"so they don't shut down the power

03:14:28.847 --> 03:14:30.917
"every time it's a little windy.

03:14:30.917 --> 03:14:35.317
"In Edison developing
a real investment to plan

03:14:35.317 --> 03:14:37.197
"to effectively solve problem

03:14:37.197 --> 03:14:41.107
"or is there only answered to
cut the power with every storm

03:14:41.107 --> 03:14:43.597
"and put many families in difficulty.

03:14:43.597 --> 03:14:45.837
"Spectrum also cut internet.

03:14:45.837 --> 03:14:47.447
"So even though we have a generator

03:14:47.447 --> 03:14:49.947
"we still don't have
the possibility to work.

03:14:49.947 --> 03:14:51.807
"Thank you, McKell Genoche.

03:14:52.680 --> 03:14:55.660
And that is the end of the
public comment that we received.

03:14:55.660 --> 03:14:57.213
Share the email inbox.

03:15:00.770 --> 03:15:01.930
<v ->Thank you.</v>

03:15:01.930 --> 03:15:06.493
Operator are there any public
commenters on the phone?

03:15:07.850 --> 03:15:10.993
<v Operator>We do have a couple
of comments on the phone.</v>

03:15:12.510 --> 03:15:14.527
First one comes from Jacqueline Heir.

03:15:14.527 --> 03:15:16.023
Your line is open.

03:15:17.460 --> 03:15:18.293
<v Jacqueline>Hello? Yes.</v>

03:15:18.293 --> 03:15:19.126
Can you hear me?

03:15:20.060 --> 03:15:21.550
<v ->Yes.</v>

03:15:21.550 --> 03:15:23.070
<v Jacqueline>Thank you.</v>

03:15:23.070 --> 03:15:24.810
On behalf of the Acton Town Council

03:15:24.810 --> 03:15:27.310
I want to express
appreciation for the comments

03:15:27.310 --> 03:15:29.620
from this board
regarding your sensitivity

03:15:29.620 --> 03:15:32.500
towards the adverse impacts PSPS events

03:15:32.500 --> 03:15:34.150
on rural communities.

03:15:34.150 --> 03:15:36.441
At this point, no real
evidence has come to light

03:15:36.441 --> 03:15:39.360
showing that any of Edison's PSPS events

03:15:39.360 --> 03:15:41.820
have actually prevented any wildfires.

03:15:41.820 --> 03:15:44.170
However, we note that
at least three wildfires

03:15:44.170 --> 03:15:49.120
were ignited in 2019 as a
result of Edison's PSPS events.

03:15:49.120 --> 03:15:51.300
We also know that at least at Acton,

03:15:51.300 --> 03:15:54.170
Edison has routinely
initiated PSPS events

03:15:54.170 --> 03:15:57.030
in areas where local
wind speeds do not exceed

03:15:57.030 --> 03:15:59.000
their PSPS threshold

03:15:59.000 --> 03:16:01.520
and where their fire
potential indexes values

03:16:01.520 --> 03:16:02.990
are not extreme.

03:16:02.990 --> 03:16:05.760
In other words, Edison's PSPS events

03:16:05.760 --> 03:16:08.380
are often completely
unwarranted and unreasonable

03:16:08.380 --> 03:16:10.150
if they are initiated anyway,

03:16:10.150 --> 03:16:11.879
despite the clear and present danger

03:16:11.879 --> 03:16:14.400
that these PSPS events pose.

03:16:14.400 --> 03:16:17.120
The Acton Town Council
has moved per party status

03:16:17.120 --> 03:16:20.382
and the PSPS has rulemaking
proceeding before the PUC.

03:16:20.382 --> 03:16:23.290
We are an all volunteer organization

03:16:23.290 --> 03:16:25.560
with no budget and limited resources.

03:16:25.560 --> 03:16:27.730
So while we will do our best

03:16:27.730 --> 03:16:29.950
there is great uncertainty
regarding the extent

03:16:29.950 --> 03:16:31.710
to which we can meaningfully participate

03:16:31.710 --> 03:16:34.101
in that broad and robust proceeding.

03:16:34.101 --> 03:16:36.460
Because of that rural communities

03:16:36.460 --> 03:16:38.870
throughout California are
looking to decision makers

03:16:38.870 --> 03:16:42.010
like the Commission and
advisory boards like yours

03:16:42.010 --> 03:16:44.310
to advocate on our behalf in a matter

03:16:44.310 --> 03:16:47.210
that at least leveled the
playing field in the PSPS arena

03:16:47.210 --> 03:16:51.300
which has to date been
dominated by utility interests.

03:16:51.300 --> 03:16:54.170
Utilities like Edison seem
to have unlimited resources

03:16:54.170 --> 03:16:56.210
and they have actively
used these resources

03:16:56.210 --> 03:16:58.890
to blunt and dilute our
concerns when we bring them

03:16:58.890 --> 03:17:00.010
to the Commission.

03:17:00.010 --> 03:17:01.640
For example, two weeks ago,

03:17:01.640 --> 03:17:03.750
Edison's attorneys
recommended that the Commission

03:17:03.750 --> 03:17:06.580
disregard active's
concerns is unfounded.

03:17:06.580 --> 03:17:08.590
Even though they were
carefully documented

03:17:08.590 --> 03:17:09.916
and supported by evidence.

03:17:09.916 --> 03:17:12.540
In other words the PSPS deck is stacked

03:17:12.540 --> 03:17:13.807
heavily against rural communities

03:17:13.807 --> 03:17:16.160
and we are powerless
to do anything about it,

03:17:16.160 --> 03:17:17.472
no pun intended.

03:17:17.472 --> 03:17:20.300
So we rely on you and on the Commission

03:17:20.300 --> 03:17:22.850
and on other advisory
boards and decision makers

03:17:22.850 --> 03:17:25.322
to ensure that PSP is
implemented properly

03:17:25.322 --> 03:17:27.830
and used only
sparingly as a last resort.

03:17:27.830 --> 03:17:29.363
Thank you very much.

03:17:33.240 --> 03:17:34.733
<v ->Thank you.</v>

03:17:34.733 --> 03:17:38.360
And we appreciated your
public comment on our draft.

03:17:38.360 --> 03:17:39.193
<v Jacqueline>Thank you.</v>

03:17:39.193 --> 03:17:40.833
<v ->Operator, is there
another speaker?</v>

03:17:41.890 --> 03:17:42.723
<v Operator>Yes.</v>

03:17:42.723 --> 03:17:44.940
Next we have Tara Georgenes.

03:17:44.940 --> 03:17:45.840
Your line is open.

03:17:47.750 --> 03:17:48.583
<v Tara>Yeah.</v>

03:17:48.583 --> 03:17:49.416
Thank you.

03:17:49.416 --> 03:17:54.200
I've been a resident of the Kagel Canyon

03:17:54.200 --> 03:17:57.980
and I am also an educator in LA County

03:17:57.980 --> 03:18:00.170
teaching public school online.

03:18:00.170 --> 03:18:04.390
I also have children who
are going to school online

03:18:04.390 --> 03:18:09.390
and I want to kinda put
a human voice, I guess,

03:18:09.480 --> 03:18:13.640
to what happens when
you turn off the power

03:18:13.640 --> 03:18:15.593
here in Kagel Canyon.

03:18:17.900 --> 03:18:21.860
You are pretty much,
when you turn off the power

03:18:21.860 --> 03:18:24.400
and then we don't have internet anymore

03:18:25.370 --> 03:18:28.400
that is like turning
a knife (chuckles)

03:18:28.400 --> 03:18:31.470
because we need to go to school, right?

03:18:31.470 --> 03:18:36.470
And we also mentally
just need that connection.

03:18:37.260 --> 03:18:39.300
So to be kinda feeling like we're living

03:18:39.300 --> 03:18:42.333
in the dark ages out
here it's it's compounded,

03:18:43.331 --> 03:18:45.810
you know, with no power.

03:18:45.810 --> 03:18:47.280
So not only are we, you know,

03:18:47.280 --> 03:18:49.590
we're all trying to be
good staying at home,

03:18:49.590 --> 03:18:54.400
but to have no power it's
making it very mentally difficult.

03:18:54.400 --> 03:18:58.129
And also like, I'm sure that
people have said before me,

03:18:58.129 --> 03:19:01.950
"Students are losing
access to education."

03:19:01.950 --> 03:19:02.783
Thank you.

03:19:04.750 --> 03:19:06.170
<v ->Thank you.</v>

03:19:06.170 --> 03:19:08.443
Operator the next
speaker if there is one.

03:19:09.320 --> 03:19:12.023
<v Operator>I'm showing no
further comments at this time.</v>

03:19:15.580 --> 03:19:16.550
<v ->All right.</v>

03:19:16.550 --> 03:19:18.840
Thank you very much, operator.

03:19:18.840 --> 03:19:20.760
Thank you everyone for public comments,

03:19:20.760 --> 03:19:24.820
we are a public entity

03:19:24.820 --> 03:19:27.340
and we do appreciate all of the input

03:19:27.340 --> 03:19:32.340
cause it helps us understand
the full scope of our work

03:19:32.850 --> 03:19:35.673
and the ramifications
of our recommendations.

03:19:37.390 --> 03:19:40.153
So that closes public comment.

03:19:41.570 --> 03:19:45.280
I will now ask the
board before we adjourn

03:19:45.280 --> 03:19:49.703
if anyone has some final
thoughts they want to share today.

03:19:53.780 --> 03:19:56.250
I can see you all so if you
just wanna raise your hand,

03:19:56.250 --> 03:19:57.185
that's fine.

03:19:57.185 --> 03:20:00.190
(Porter laughs)

03:20:00.190 --> 03:20:01.023
All right.

03:20:01.023 --> 03:20:05.010
I think I can say on behalf of the board

03:20:05.010 --> 03:20:09.730
to our able and noble advisors,

03:20:09.730 --> 03:20:14.730
Jamie and Katherine, Thank you again,

03:20:14.790 --> 03:20:19.790
for everything that you've
done to bring us to this point.

03:20:20.080 --> 03:20:25.080
It's hard to believe that
your engagement in the board

03:20:25.340 --> 03:20:27.160
just started in March.

03:20:27.160 --> 03:20:28.748
So it wasn't even a full year

03:20:28.748 --> 03:20:32.130
that we've produced
three major documents

03:20:32.130 --> 03:20:35.196
and conducted many,

03:20:35.196 --> 03:20:38.120
we had several workshops
and many meetings

03:20:38.120 --> 03:20:42.660
and even came up with
a new risk standards,

03:20:42.660 --> 03:20:44.700
sponsored by board member Mader.

03:20:44.700 --> 03:20:46.273
So Thank you for that.

03:20:47.267 --> 03:20:52.267
And I wish everyone this
particularly challenging time

03:20:52.700 --> 03:20:54.550
when we can see the end of the tunnel

03:20:55.460 --> 03:20:57.030
with the COVID vaccine,

03:20:57.030 --> 03:21:01.277
but where we're having
record number of infections

03:21:02.506 --> 03:21:06.780
that everyone and including
some of our board family,

03:21:06.780 --> 03:21:09.620
that everyone stays safe and healthy

03:21:09.620 --> 03:21:11.803
and have a happy holiday.

03:21:12.660 --> 03:21:17.660
So with that, I will take a
motion to adjourn the meeting.

03:21:21.650 --> 03:21:22.483
<v ->I like to make</v>

03:21:22.483 --> 03:21:23.993
a motion to adjourn.
<v ->Board member Porter.</v>

03:21:26.710 --> 03:21:27.790
I assume.

03:21:27.790 --> 03:21:28.903
Is there a second?

03:21:38.560 --> 03:21:40.650
Nobody wants to second.

03:21:40.650 --> 03:21:41.483
<v ->I was on mute.</v>

03:21:41.483 --> 03:21:42.850
I second.

03:21:42.850 --> 03:21:44.340
<v ->Okay, great.</v>

03:21:44.340 --> 03:21:49.340
And then I think I'll just refer
everyone to Ms. Ormond's

03:21:50.020 --> 03:21:54.550
calendar invite for our next session.

03:21:54.550 --> 03:21:57.130
So Thank you very much.

03:21:57.130 --> 03:21:59.870
And Mr. Reiger Thank you
very much for stepping up

03:21:59.870 --> 03:22:04.870
during this sort of new
dimension to our board meetings

03:22:05.960 --> 03:22:10.230
but I think it ended very
efficiently and effectively.

03:22:10.230 --> 03:22:12.863
So with that, we can end the meeting.