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The feed for
this streaming event.
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This conference has begun.
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I would now like to turn
it over to Jamie Ormond.
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Thank you very much.
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Welcome to the Workshop
of the Wildfire Safety
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Advisory Board on the
Publicly Owned Utility
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and Electric Cooperative
Wildfire Mitigation Plans.
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Today is November 18th, 2020.
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It's just after one o'clock
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and I'm just gonna go through
a few housekeeping notes.
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First, all the information about
this workshop can be found
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on the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board website,
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so that's www.cpuc.ca.gov/wsad.
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Because this is a workshop,
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this meeting is being
run using WebEx Events.
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The WebEx link is
available on our website
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and on the agenda.
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Public comment will be at
the end of today's workshop.
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Public, please feel free
to call in +1 800-857-1917.
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Today's pass code is 1767567.
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And when you call in,
you'll be in listen only mode.
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And if you'd like to participate
during public comments,
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please press star one on your phone,
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and you'll be added to
the public comment queue
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by our wonderful operator.
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Comments can be entered into
the Chat during the workshop,
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and if there's time during each section,
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when the comment is
received, we will attend to it.
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Alternatively, if we
have time constraints,
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we will work through the
public comments in the Chat Box
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during the public comment section.
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Public comments will also be received
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in the Welfare Safety
Advisory Board email box
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and email address
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there is
wildfiresafetyadvisoryboard@cpuc.ca.gov.
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This meeting is also live
broadcast at the CPU's
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live broadcast location,
adminmonitor.com/ca/cpuc.
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Finally, if you are
experiencing technical issues,
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please do not hesitate to get in touch
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with the CPUC's public
advisor by email or by phone,
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public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov
or 866-849-8390.
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And now briefly,
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I'm gonna turn it over
to Katherine Stockton
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to do our safety announcements.
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Hi, so this is
the time we usually take
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to go over where the
exits are in the room,
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but now that everything is virtual,
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please take this very brief moment
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to look around your surroundings
and think about things like
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are the burners on your stove off?
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Did you leave the water running?
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Where's your nearest exit?
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Where's your nearest fire exit?
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Where's your fire extinguisher?
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Where's the nearest phone in
case you need to call for help?
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The next thing I will
mention is that all,
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can we turn to slide four, please?
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The next thing I'll mention
is that all the materials
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are available on our website
and that's cpuc.ca.gov/wsad.
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And on the website, though,
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you can find the agenda for today.
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You can find the draft
guidance advisory opinion
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that the board will be presenting today.
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You can find this board
meeting presentation
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and you can find each of
the individual presentations
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from the publicly owned utilities
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that will present today.
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I will now hand the reins
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over to our distinguished Chair
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of the Wildfire Safety Advisory
Board, Marcie Edwards.
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Ooh, my, okay.
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So welcome to today's
Wildfire Safety Advisory
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Board Workshop, where
we will be discussing the POU
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and co-ops wildfire
mitigation plans and next steps.
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I'm gonna briefly run through the agenda
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so I can help you
manage your expectations.
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We're going to have an intro
from the Governor's office.
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Then we're gonna hear
presentations from the POUs
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on aspects of their
wildfire mitigation plans.
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We'll have a stretch break,
roughly I think around 3:00.
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Next the board will
discuss the overall themes
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we saw while reviewing the
POU Wildfire Mitigation Plans.
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Next, the board and the
municipal and co-op associations
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will have discussion about next steps
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in wildfire mitigation planning.
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And before we close,
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we'll certainly have a time
for public comment or Q and A.
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As Ms. Stockton mentioned,
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if you'd like to get your comment to us
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anytime during the meeting,
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you can join via WebEx
and use the chat function,
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our staff will read any
comments in the chat out loud.
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Finally, we hope to adjourn the workshop
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by 5:00 p.m. or earlier.
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I'd like to thank the
publicly owned utilities
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who are presenting today.
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We appreciate the time you took
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to put your presentations together.
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And more importantly,
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we appreciate all of
the actions you've taken
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to help protect
California from wildfire.
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And before we dive into
the POU presentation,
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my pleasure to introduce Alice Reynolds,
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the Senior Advisor to Governor
Newsom for energy issues
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and the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board.
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Ms. Reynolds.
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Thank you Marcie.
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And thanks also to your staff
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for so ably putting this together.
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It's interesting that in normal times
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we will all be sitting
in a room together,
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but we are somehow able to
manage workshops like this,
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including public participation
and still all stay safe
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in these strange times.
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So I just wanted to recognize
how the efforts of your staff
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to pull this all together
and allow us to continue
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to do our important
work during these times.
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And I am really pleased to be here.
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It's a pleasure for me
to be able to participate
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in this meeting.
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I've been tracking the
activities of this board,
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literally since the inception,
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but I've not been able
to see it in action yet.
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And so I'm hoping to
stick around for a little bit
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of the meeting.
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I did wanna recognize the commitment
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of each of the board
members, your expertise,
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your dedication, your
thoughtfulness to these issues
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is so very much appreciated.
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Wildfire mitigation is
something that affects
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every single Californian
in one way or another,
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from our health and wellbeing
to the impacts on our economy
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as was made, unfortunately
very clear this fire season.
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So your efforts are really
more important now than ever.
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And I just wanted to
start by thanking all of you
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for all of your work,
your continued work
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and you're really bringing
all of your expertise
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to the table on behalf of the state.
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And then getting to the
subject of this workshop,
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I also wanted to thank
the publicly owned utilities
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and the electric cooperatives
who are participating.
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This forum, I think
is a little bit unusual
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because it's not like the
normal CPUC process
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where the CPUC regulates
the investor-owned utilities.
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We're actually in this
forum reaching out
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beyond the jurisdiction of the CPUC
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and hoping to bring the
best practices and the thinking
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and all of the work that
the publicly-owned utilities
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and electric cooperatives
are doing for the purposes
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of sharing best practices,
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sharing the information with partners
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and helping the state as a whole tackle
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these really difficult issues.
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I know that that's a challenge
probably more so for each one
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of you than it is for the
large investor-owned utilities,
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because you're obviously not monolithic.
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Each one of your characters
is very, very different.
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And so I just wanted
to state my appreciation
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for the work that has already been done,
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and the continued work.
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I'm really looking forward to
a productive workshop today.
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And I think that lots
can come out of this
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by all putting our heads together.
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And I thank the board for
organizing this and make it happen
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and thank all of the
participants for showing up
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and bringing what
they have to contribute
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to the discussion today.
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So with that,
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I will turn it back over to
Marcie and I'm looking forward
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to a productive afternoon.
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Thanks everyone.
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Great, thank you so
much, Ms. Reynolds.
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We really appreciate you taking the time
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to be with us today.
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Okay, certainly it should
go without saying my thanks
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are out to the POUs and co-ops
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for all of the work they did.
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And as we read the
submittals, we were very pleased
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to find there are portions
that are simply excellent.
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We reached out to the utilities
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that we thought we did a
particularly really good job
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on some of their sections and
asked them to share aspects
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of their plans with all of you today.
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So we're gonna start
with the presentations.
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And a man, at least with
me, needs no introduction.
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We're gonna start with Brian Wilbur,
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director of power
transmission and distribution
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of Los Angeles Department
of Water and Power.
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Brian, are you there?
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Somebody has to turn Brian on.
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I've just done so,
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Mr. Wilbur, you can
enable your camera, sir.
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Brian, can we hear you?
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Do an audio check.
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Operator, is Brian on the phone?
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We see him on the call,
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we're confirming that he can unmute.
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Huh, you're on mute Mr. Wilbur.
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Well.
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Ma'am, it looks
like his line is disconnected.
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We'll watch for him to call back in.
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All right.
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Given that, we're gonna
move to the second presentation
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and we will fit in Brian
when the technical difficulties
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have been solved.
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It's certainly my pleasure
to introduce Janet Lonneker.
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She's the assistant general
manager of electric services
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with Anaheim Public Utilities.
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Janet.
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Thank you, Ms. Edwards.
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And I'm hoping that I
can get the video back up,
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it was working before, but-
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What was the name?
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I don't wanna delay.
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Her name or the video name?
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Thank you for the
opportunity for Anaheim
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to share our wildfire plan,
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our elements of our wildfire
plan with the board today.
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And I would like to start
first with a slide number two
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to give you a little bit of
background about Anaheim.
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So Anaheim Public Utilities or APU
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includes our electric
utility that is 125 years old,
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as well as our water
utility that is 140 years old.
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And we serve a diverse
population of 360,000 residents
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as well as 20,000 businesses.
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Right, there I am.
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So like many communities,
we've been hit hard
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by the ongoing pandemic,
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but before this year we
welcomed 25 million visitors
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annually to our major destinations,
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which included Disneyland
resorts, the Honda Center,
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our Angel Stadium and our
Anaheim Convention Center.
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Our service territory
is 50 square miles.
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And the wildfire prone areas
are in the Eastern most portion
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of the city, which includes
housing developments,
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retail and undeveloped Canyon areas.
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APU is one of a dozen
departments that serve the city
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and we collaborate closely
with our Anaheim Fire & Rescue
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and the Anaheim Police
Department on major emergency.
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We also housed the city's
emergency operations center
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at our Edwards Utilities Complex yard,
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where we coordinate major
events that include past fires
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like the Freeway Complex Fire in 2008
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and the Canyon Fire 2 in 2017.
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I'd like to point out that
even though homes were lost
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tragically during
these wind-driven fires,
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there was no circuit
outages or power line issues
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during either event.
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Next slide, please.
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As development sped
right toward the Eastern
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part of Anaheim, we
invested in long-term solutions
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to make the community more resilient.
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On the left of the screen
is our Park Substation.
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This is the first fully
underground substation
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in the United States.
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And as the name suggests,
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there is a park built
above the substation.
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Substation utilizes gas
insulated switchgear,
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that allows for a more compact footprint
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within an enclosed concrete structure.
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So this hardens our system
against weather related outages,
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physical threats, and
of course, wildfires.
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On the right is our
Walnut Canyon reservoir
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which holds 900 million
gallons of water that is treated
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before serving customers.
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The reservoir has been
used on many occasions
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to support firefighting aircraft.
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And this photo is from
the Blue Ridge Fire
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that affected neighboring
Yorba Linda just last month.
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Slide please.
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One of the first keys to establishing
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our wildfire mitigation plan
was to coordinate closely
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with the Anaheim Fire & Rescue
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to identify high fire threat zones.
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Anaheim fire officials have
expertise in wild land fires.
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And our very own current
fire chief has been instantly
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commander in fires throughout the state.
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The next step was
overhead infrastructure,
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and we identified two
segments that were in or adjacent
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to our Tier 3 extreme zone.
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Because Anaheim is 98%
underground in the fire threat zone,
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we have been able to
minimize the ignition.
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In addition to the overhead line,
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we've identified critical
facilities serving the community,
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which includes water pumps
and telecommunication towers
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who depends on
electrical service from APU.
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And our adjacent
investor owned utilities,
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high voltage power lines,
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and towers passing through
Anaheim's fire threat zone
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were identified as well.
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We coordinate with all of these agencies
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with impacted facility.
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One of the keys to monitoring
have been the installation
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of our wildfire cameras through
the Alert Wildfire Program
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in coordination with our
University of California
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San Diego, Scripps Institution.
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Four stations and eight cameras
have been installed to date
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and have been instrumental
in identifying early ignition
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as you can see in this photo,
that's our just in Canyon.
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Next slide, please.
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Same cameras are used
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by both our Anaheim
Fire & Rescue dispatchers
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and our own utility operators.
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So since we already
collaborate on emergency call,
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it makes sense to further collaborate
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on wildfire monitoring.
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The image on the right
shows the Blue Ridge Fire
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as captured by our wildfire camera.
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Slide six.
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On risk mitigation.
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We identify the risk drivers
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using a bowtie method
agency-wide using historic metrics
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and garnering community
and city stakeholder input,
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so it isn't all in a bubble.
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The measures are
assigned to responsible staff
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for accountability.
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Progress is tracked and
reviewed annually for effectiveness.
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Here, the risk driver
is a wildfire ignition
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by our equipment,
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and there are several
mitigation measures
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that address specific circumstances,
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so not one-size-fits-all.
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An example of this
is our undergrounding.
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We've been undergrounding major roadways
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under our program since 1990,
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similar to the investor-owned
utilities rule 20 program.
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However, in 2016,
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understanding that there
is an increasing risk related
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to wildfires and other outage causes,
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we added a reliability
criteria to be included
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into the program.
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It doesn't mean we
underground everything,
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but it gives us a tool with
which to make local decisions
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that are the best
interest of our community.
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Through to that effort is that
we are now undergrounding
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a small roadway that is
adjacent to a high fire threat zone
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as shown in this photo.
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This would not have
otherwise been qualified
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under the previous program design.
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We held a community meeting
with those effected residents
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who were grateful for
the plan implementation.
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We evaluated another pole line that runs
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through a nature preserve,
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but the terrain made it
difficult to underground.
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So instead, we de-energize that line
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and use it now only as a
backup circuit tie to reliability.
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Risk mitigation is actionable.
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And in Anaheim, whether
it's system hardening
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or operational practices,
we put our plan in action.
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Slide seven, please.
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A large component of
our power monitoring
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and restoration process
is our coordination
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with our Anaheim first responders,
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typically Anaheim Fire &
Rescue is the lead agency
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at our local emergency operation center.
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And they will help to determine
when it's safe for our crews
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to return to a fire damaged area.
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In the aftermath of
the 2017 Canyon Fire 2,
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which resulted in a
large scale evacuation,
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we planned for a large
number of residents coming back
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to their homes following the incident,
00:19:41.980 --> 00:19:44.640
and might find their power is out.
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Well in this circumstance, fire
personnel for safety reasons
00:19:49.430 --> 00:19:52.470
often shut off the main
breaker at the home
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in dealing with fire, but
the residents may assume
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that it's a utility power outage.
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So we anticipated
this rather than waiting
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for calls to service,
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we proactively dispatched
our field staff status
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at the homes prior
to the first responders
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allowing residents to return.
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So as important as
power shutoff protocols,
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the power restoration
process is equally as important.
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In most cases,
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it's about ensuring our
customers and our stakeholders
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are aware that the power is back on
00:20:28.560 --> 00:20:31.000
and providing our contact information
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if they still don't have power.
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However, it's also about
recovering from the damages
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incurred after a wildfire.
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Following the Canyon Fire,
our Anaheim City Council
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approved a utility rule modification
00:20:44.890 --> 00:20:47.766
that upon a declared emergency,
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APU may weigh certain
charges or fees related
00:20:51.070 --> 00:20:54.920
to restoring service such
as temporary service,
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service connection plan
check, design and engineering
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and inspection and related
administrative charges.
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Next slide, please.
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That concludes my presentation.
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I'd like to thank the Wildfire
Safety Advisory Board
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for their thoughtful review
of the many plans submitted
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by our California Utilities
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who have a tremendous responsibility.
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And we hope that our
efforts and Anaheim highlight
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that municipal utilities each
have different ingredients
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of wildfire mitigation,
00:21:26.390 --> 00:21:29.920
but the statewide plan is
enhanced by local planning,
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proactive investments and
collaboration by first responders.
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Thank you all.
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It's a very good job, Janet.
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Thank you so much.
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And please tell your general manager
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thank you for me as well.
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Will do, appreciate it.
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All right.
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Ryan, have we managed to subvert
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your technical difficulties there?
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I think so, can you
all hear me now?
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Yep.
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A reminder of this is Brian Wilbur,
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Director of Power
Transmission and Distribution,
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Los Angeles Department
of Water and Power.
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Go ahead, Brain.
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Thank you very much Marcie.
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I apologize for the
technical difficulties.
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I'd like to say it was a problem here,
00:22:09.710 --> 00:22:11.740
but it was more than
likely a disconnection
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between the keyboard and the chair.
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(laughing)
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First of all, I'd like to
thank all of the POUs that,
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one of the things that
this whole mitigation plan
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and putting all this together,
00:22:24.150 --> 00:22:26.140
one of the big benefits
that we've had is a chance
00:22:26.140 --> 00:22:27.237
to get to know each other
00:22:27.237 --> 00:22:30.330
and to work together on
some of our common problems,
00:22:30.330 --> 00:22:32.010
some of our common solution
00:22:32.010 --> 00:22:33.910
and bouncing a lot of
things off each other.
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It's been a great experience that way
00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:38.920
to get the collaboration
from all the POUs
00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:40.860
and it's something we
should be doing all the time
00:22:40.860 --> 00:22:41.790
on everything anyway.
00:22:41.790 --> 00:22:44.250
So this has really helped a lot.
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I also wanna thank the
Wildfire Safety Advisory Board
00:22:47.490 --> 00:22:49.730
for their review of our plan.
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We had a lot of items
we wanted to go over.
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I'm gonna touch on
just three main things
00:22:53.570 --> 00:22:58.320
and that's the identification
of the enterprise wide risks,
00:22:58.320 --> 00:23:01.640
including vegetation, drought,
weather, things like that,
00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:03.390
our path metrics and our grid system,
00:23:03.390 --> 00:23:05.920
hardening measures
such as pole replacements,
00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:09.870
transformer replacements,
alternative materials
00:23:09.870 --> 00:23:11.430
and things of that nature.
00:23:11.430 --> 00:23:13.700
And also the assessment
of our accessibility
00:23:13.700 --> 00:23:16.190
to terrain for our first responders.
00:23:16.190 --> 00:23:18.293
So next slide please.
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So just a quick overview LADWP,
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I don't know whether it's an
advantage or disadvantage
00:23:27.330 --> 00:23:29.503
of being the big fish
in a small pond here,
00:23:30.690 --> 00:23:33.120
we are the large municipality here
00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:35.540
for as far as what the rest of the POUs.
00:23:35.540 --> 00:23:38.930
We have over 1.5 million
customers in Los Angeles,
00:23:38.930 --> 00:23:41.883
another 5,000, more than
5,000 in the Owens Valley.
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478 square miles in Los Angeles,
00:23:45.710 --> 00:23:49.780
another 1800 square
miles in the Owens Valley,
00:23:49.780 --> 00:23:53.220
more than 7,000 miles of
overhead distribution facilities
00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:55.967
and over 4,000 miles of
overhead transmission lines
00:23:55.967 --> 00:23:58.530
and that covers five states.
00:23:58.530 --> 00:24:00.210
So being the big fish here,
00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:02.230
we have a lot of interesting aspects
00:24:03.070 --> 00:24:04.600
with our service territory.
00:24:04.600 --> 00:24:05.433
Next slide.
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Even though we cover a large area,
00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:13.930
most of our in basin is urban centric.
00:24:13.930 --> 00:24:16.280
In the Owens Valley,
it's very rural out there,
00:24:16.280 --> 00:24:19.410
our transmission lines
that travel over five States,
00:24:19.410 --> 00:24:20.780
but where they go through California,
00:24:20.780 --> 00:24:22.950
one of the big advantages that we have
00:24:22.950 --> 00:24:24.020
with our transmission lines,
00:24:24.020 --> 00:24:26.280
it's not a lot of forest
area that it's going through.
00:24:26.280 --> 00:24:27.640
It's a lot of desert-
00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:31.210
Yeah, it's a lot of desert
area and that's scrub brush,
00:24:31.210 --> 00:24:32.580
that's Joshua trees.
00:24:32.580 --> 00:24:34.530
So it's not that high fire threat zone.
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:41.180
We do have a few areas
of very few of Tier 3,
00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:42.410
a little bit of Tier 2.
00:24:42.410 --> 00:24:45.160
So realistically inside
LA, we have about 8%
00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:47.340
of our distribution
in transmission lines
00:24:47.340 --> 00:24:48.890
run through Tier 2 area,
00:24:48.890 --> 00:24:51.033
less than 1% through Tier 3.
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:56.680
In Owens Valley, it's 1.3% in Tier 2
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:58.980
and really nothing in the Tier 3 area
00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:00.980
as far as our service territory goes.
00:25:00.980 --> 00:25:02.650
So most of our Tier 3 stuff
00:25:02.650 --> 00:25:04.603
is out of our service territory.
00:25:04.603 --> 00:25:06.450
It's just going through
those Tier 3 areas
00:25:06.450 --> 00:25:08.010
on our transmission lines.
00:25:08.010 --> 00:25:10.390
So LA is also a little bit unique
00:25:10.390 --> 00:25:14.660
in our Tier 2 areas, it's
not the rural secluded area.
00:25:14.660 --> 00:25:17.840
Our biggest Tier 2 area through
the Santa Monica Mountains
00:25:17.840 --> 00:25:19.653
is our high rent district.
00:25:21.020 --> 00:25:24.050
It's Bel air, it's the Hollywood Hills,
00:25:24.050 --> 00:25:25.600
it's Brentwood.
00:25:25.600 --> 00:25:28.340
It is very influential
people that live there
00:25:28.340 --> 00:25:30.770
that have a lot of connections
and a lot of phone calls
00:25:30.770 --> 00:25:31.740
get made from there.
00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:34.580
So our Tier 3 area is not quite
00:25:34.580 --> 00:25:39.580
that out of the rural area
that a lot of the POUs have.
00:25:40.510 --> 00:25:41.813
So next slide.
00:25:44.230 --> 00:25:46.530
So in developing our wildfire,
00:25:46.530 --> 00:25:49.310
just like you heard from
the previous presenter,
00:25:49.310 --> 00:25:52.310
that whole bowtie
effect on how we identify
00:25:52.310 --> 00:25:53.890
the enterprise-wide risks.
00:25:53.890 --> 00:25:57.410
So when we went through
this, there was really,
00:25:57.410 --> 00:25:59.650
the bang for our buck really falls
00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:02.000
under three of the
main risks that we have.
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:03.490
So we analyze all of this
and there's a lot of things
00:26:03.490 --> 00:26:05.230
that we're moving forward,
00:26:05.230 --> 00:26:06.680
but really the best bang for our buck
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.640
is our vegetation management,
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.080
our inspection and maintenance
and our grid hardening.
00:26:12.080 --> 00:26:12.913
Next slide.
00:26:16.790 --> 00:26:19.290
When it comes to our
vegetation management,
00:26:19.290 --> 00:26:20.990
this is one of our big projects
00:26:20.990 --> 00:26:22.680
and we've just now signed on,
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.520
we have a new contract
in place on that thunder,
00:26:25.520 --> 00:26:28.980
the process of getting
approval to increase the staffing
00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:32.350
of the contractors that we
have and a more inclusive plan.
00:26:32.350 --> 00:26:36.440
When wildfire really became
a big issue in the state,
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:40.740
we lost a lot of our tree
trimmers to the IOUs.
00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:43.460
And that influx of everybody going out,
00:26:43.460 --> 00:26:45.670
making money up in Northern California
00:26:45.670 --> 00:26:46.730
devastated our system.
00:26:46.730 --> 00:26:48.940
So it's been hard getting
our contractors back in place,
00:26:48.940 --> 00:26:52.010
getting our core numbers
back to where they need to be.
00:26:52.010 --> 00:26:55.540
We maintain a database
of more than 400,000 trees.
00:26:55.540 --> 00:26:59.150
We prune more than 185,000 trees a year.
00:26:59.150 --> 00:27:00.940
We do annual evaluations.
00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:03.920
So we inspect every
transmission distribution line
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:04.870
every year.
00:27:04.870 --> 00:27:07.090
And then we do mid-cycle inspections
00:27:07.090 --> 00:27:09.260
in our high fire threat districts.
00:27:09.260 --> 00:27:12.340
So a lot of the issues that
we have with our tree trimming
00:27:12.340 --> 00:27:15.840
is I go back to that in our Tier 2 area.
00:27:15.840 --> 00:27:17.580
And that's those residents
00:27:17.580 --> 00:27:19.430
that are in the hillside communities.
00:27:21.776 --> 00:27:23.060
It's a little bit tougher to go in there
00:27:23.060 --> 00:27:25.260
and start hacking trees
on private property,
00:27:26.250 --> 00:27:28.410
beyond what the regulations are.
00:27:28.410 --> 00:27:31.570
And what we're trying to do
in our vegetation management
00:27:31.570 --> 00:27:34.230
program is going beyond that four foot,
00:27:34.230 --> 00:27:38.410
that eight foot rule and to
really clear wider distances.
00:27:38.410 --> 00:27:40.790
And so in making that effort,
00:27:40.790 --> 00:27:41.990
it's become a little bit of a battle
00:27:41.990 --> 00:27:43.170
with the private citizen
00:27:43.170 --> 00:27:45.260
and everybody has their own priorities.
00:27:45.260 --> 00:27:47.210
So it has been a challenge,
00:27:47.210 --> 00:27:49.730
but we do have our tree trimmers.
00:27:49.730 --> 00:27:52.770
We have our supervisors,
our certified arborist,
00:27:52.770 --> 00:27:54.360
so they are on staff.
00:27:54.360 --> 00:27:56.350
And we typically trim
a little bit farther out
00:27:56.350 --> 00:27:58.243
than most of the regulations require.
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:02.940
For our inspection and maintenance.
00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:04.380
This is the other big deal.
00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:07.940
We have 125,000 transformers.
00:28:07.940 --> 00:28:10.423
We have four for over 300,000 poles.
00:28:11.955 --> 00:28:13.510
It's getting the
maintenance done on this
00:28:13.510 --> 00:28:15.140
required a little bit of extra effort.
00:28:15.140 --> 00:28:17.390
Our in-house inspection
and maintenance group
00:28:18.510 --> 00:28:20.650
had to be expanded in order to get
00:28:21.530 --> 00:28:23.320
to meet our inspection needs
00:28:23.320 --> 00:28:25.860
to look at where we're
going to harden our system.
00:28:25.860 --> 00:28:29.350
With our system that big and
our resources where they are,
00:28:29.350 --> 00:28:32.793
we really have to identify where
our immediate problems are.
00:28:34.030 --> 00:28:36.900
We have an equity metrics issue also.
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:39.470
Our power system reliability program
00:28:39.470 --> 00:28:41.570
involves our entire service territory
00:28:41.570 --> 00:28:45.500
in such a small percent
being in those Tier 2 areas
00:28:45.500 --> 00:28:48.390
and being able to concentrate
with the most needed points,
00:28:48.390 --> 00:28:51.233
parts are in those
Tier 2 and Tier 3 areas.
00:28:52.090 --> 00:28:52.923
Next slide.
00:28:56.450 --> 00:28:59.080
Like I said, the big
bang for your buck here
00:28:59.080 --> 00:29:00.470
is hardening the system.
00:29:00.470 --> 00:29:03.610
How do we stop circuit problems?
00:29:03.610 --> 00:29:04.580
How do we stop outages?
00:29:04.580 --> 00:29:08.030
How do we stop short
circuit, arms breaking,
00:29:08.030 --> 00:29:09.260
wire coming down?
00:29:09.260 --> 00:29:11.620
Harding our system is
our best bang for the buck,
00:29:11.620 --> 00:29:13.070
undergrounding the solution,
00:29:13.070 --> 00:29:14.969
but not in the rough terrain areas.
00:29:14.969 --> 00:29:17.780
There's a lot of issues that
we can't do where we can really
00:29:17.780 --> 00:29:19.760
get the most of what
we can with our money
00:29:19.760 --> 00:29:21.850
on hardening our system.
00:29:21.850 --> 00:29:24.670
Number one, that's
alternative poles, steel poles,
00:29:24.670 --> 00:29:28.113
fiberglass arms, beefing
up the structure that we have.
00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:34.550
It's increasing our
spacing of our wires,
00:29:34.550 --> 00:29:36.730
increasing our wind loading.
00:29:36.730 --> 00:29:39.890
We surpassed, we went from
the 56 mile per hour wind loading
00:29:39.890 --> 00:29:41.710
to an 80 mile an hour of wind loading
00:29:41.710 --> 00:29:44.130
in all of our Tier 2 and Tier 3 areas.
00:29:44.130 --> 00:29:45.680
So this is our big concentration,
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.060
it's moving forward with alternatives.
00:29:48.060 --> 00:29:50.540
Poles are alternative materials.
00:29:50.540 --> 00:29:51.493
Next slide.
00:29:53.590 --> 00:29:57.330
Know, the other portion
of that is changing the wire
00:29:57.330 --> 00:29:58.163
that we're putting in.
00:29:58.163 --> 00:29:59.410
We're increasing our conductor size,
00:29:59.410 --> 00:30:01.580
with three wires now become the norm.
00:30:01.580 --> 00:30:03.517
Everything that we're
putting in our Tier 2
00:30:03.517 --> 00:30:07.080
and Tier 3 areas,
we're putting in tree wire.
00:30:07.080 --> 00:30:11.090
This brought on a lot
of different hardships
00:30:11.090 --> 00:30:12.930
that we had to prepare for also.
00:30:12.930 --> 00:30:15.700
Tree wire is a little heavier,
it's a beefier construction.
00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:18.400
We need stronger poles,
we need stronger materials.
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.290
It's a different practice.
00:30:20.290 --> 00:30:23.940
The work on these poles with tree wire,
00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:24.930
fix a little more time,
00:30:24.930 --> 00:30:27.093
a little more energy
and a little more money.
00:30:28.012 --> 00:30:30.980
And so all of these
things really are a big part
00:30:30.980 --> 00:30:33.810
of what the changes
that we're making for.
00:30:33.810 --> 00:30:36.030
The other one is the avian protection.
00:30:36.030 --> 00:30:37.810
One of the most
interesting things we found
00:30:37.810 --> 00:30:40.380
with our increased avian protection
00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:44.100
is where we were just
isolating our conductors
00:30:44.100 --> 00:30:46.710
from steel poles with
our avian protection,
00:30:46.710 --> 00:30:49.020
because that's originally
what the problems were.
00:30:49.020 --> 00:30:52.210
Birds getting into that
inside conductor on a pole
00:30:52.210 --> 00:30:55.360
and touching the pole,
causing a short circuit,
00:30:55.360 --> 00:30:58.450
and falling to the ground
on fire, starting a fire that's...
00:30:59.470 --> 00:31:02.410
But what we found is we also
have our construction standards
00:31:02.410 --> 00:31:05.610
and how we did our bonding
and grounding on our arms
00:31:05.610 --> 00:31:08.400
on the outside phases
also became an issue
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.880
where birds were still getting
across over the insulators
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:14.030
into our grounded lines
00:31:14.030 --> 00:31:16.260
or our grounded bonding on our poles.
00:31:16.260 --> 00:31:19.240
So we had to make a big change
in our construction standards
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:21.440
on how we do our general construction.
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.110
So it wasn't just the
alternative materials,
00:31:23.110 --> 00:31:26.420
it was changing the way
we do our regular work.
00:31:26.420 --> 00:31:29.140
So that's been a change
that we've done also.
00:31:29.140 --> 00:31:30.023
Next slide.
00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:36.630
The next part I wanna get
into is really what happens
00:31:36.630 --> 00:31:38.680
before and during an incident.
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:43.680
We have a strong collaboration
now with LA Fire Department,
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.800
with our Office of Emergency Management,
00:31:46.800 --> 00:31:51.040
with Cal Fire, all of these
pieces come together,
00:31:51.040 --> 00:31:56.040
not only preparing for a
wind or event or a heat event
00:31:56.980 --> 00:32:01.580
or a red flag event, but
also during a problem.
00:32:01.580 --> 00:32:02.880
When we have a fire,
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.440
when a fire breaks out
for whatever the cause is,
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.113
it's really about how we respond.
00:32:09.360 --> 00:32:10.193
The next slide.
00:32:13.470 --> 00:32:16.030
So and in that response,
00:32:16.030 --> 00:32:18.450
we're back to one of the
bigger issues that we have,
00:32:18.450 --> 00:32:20.360
whether it's a
transmission right of way,
00:32:20.360 --> 00:32:23.700
whether it's just our
access road to our lines,
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:25.850
during a fire, this is a fire road.
00:32:25.850 --> 00:32:28.250
And the maintaining
of these roads is critical
00:32:28.250 --> 00:32:31.510
because it's not just for our
use for maintaining our lines,
00:32:31.510 --> 00:32:32.690
but this is where the fire department
00:32:32.690 --> 00:32:34.970
is gonna go to battle a fire
00:32:34.970 --> 00:32:36.510
if there's a fire at that place.
00:32:36.510 --> 00:32:38.430
And this is one of the big things
00:32:38.430 --> 00:32:40.640
that we really have to concentrate on
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.410
in collaborating with these
other entities in the city.
00:32:44.410 --> 00:32:45.243
In Los Angeles,
00:32:45.243 --> 00:32:47.840
we have a lot of conservatory groups.
00:32:47.840 --> 00:32:49.160
We need to move forward
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.130
with a focus on
environmental stewardship,
00:32:52.130 --> 00:32:55.060
to where we're also
protecting the landscape.
00:32:55.060 --> 00:32:56.760
We have many of our pole lines go
00:32:56.760 --> 00:32:58.940
through the California
Coastal Commission.
00:32:58.940 --> 00:33:01.200
If any of you have
worked with them before,
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.550
there's a thousand permits
that we need to go through.
00:33:03.550 --> 00:33:06.610
And a lot of hoops to jump
through just to go ahead
00:33:06.610 --> 00:33:08.521
and change out polls
that were better 80,
00:33:08.521 --> 00:33:11.260
90 years old that we
need to get in to do.
00:33:11.260 --> 00:33:13.710
So it takes a lot of work.
00:33:13.710 --> 00:33:18.070
It takes a lot of focus and
it takes a lot of collaboration
00:33:18.070 --> 00:33:19.133
with those entity.
00:33:20.260 --> 00:33:23.360
So Angeles National Forest,
that's Pang of State park,
00:33:23.360 --> 00:33:24.500
getting our permitting done,
00:33:24.500 --> 00:33:26.680
getting this done ahead of
time when we can identify
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:28.100
where our assets need to be changed
00:33:28.100 --> 00:33:29.850
has been a big challenge,
00:33:29.850 --> 00:33:32.010
but it's something
that needs to be done.
00:33:32.010 --> 00:33:34.890
And it's not just about
maintaining the roads for us,
00:33:34.890 --> 00:33:37.680
it's when there is a fire event,
no matter what the cause,
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.410
we need to be able to
have those roads open
00:33:40.410 --> 00:33:42.160
for the fire department to come in.
00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:44.253
Next slide.
00:33:46.310 --> 00:33:48.050
So the last little piece
I wanted to go through
00:33:48.050 --> 00:33:50.310
is really the situational response.
00:33:50.310 --> 00:33:53.460
We do not do PSPS
here at water and power.
00:33:53.460 --> 00:33:56.040
We are reactive to the
event when it happens.
00:33:56.040 --> 00:33:58.200
And there's a few reasons behind that.
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.010
One of the big issues that
we have moving forward
00:34:01.010 --> 00:34:04.490
is in during a fire event is
we need to be able to keep
00:34:04.490 --> 00:34:06.450
our pumping stations going
00:34:06.450 --> 00:34:08.460
to help the fire
department fight the fire.
00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:10.890
So we need to keep power
onto those pumping stations.
00:34:10.890 --> 00:34:12.670
So we work directly
00:34:12.670 --> 00:34:14.760
through our Office of
Emergency Management,
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.450
but with the fire
department during an event.
00:34:17.450 --> 00:34:18.650
The other portion of that is,
00:34:18.650 --> 00:34:21.810
is trying to stay ahead
of where that fire is.
00:34:21.810 --> 00:34:25.570
And not necessarily
shutting off preemptively,
00:34:25.570 --> 00:34:28.340
but reactive to what the needs are.
00:34:28.340 --> 00:34:30.380
During an evacuation event,
00:34:30.380 --> 00:34:32.530
it's very important that
we keep streetlights on,
00:34:32.530 --> 00:34:34.300
that we're able to keep houses on,
00:34:34.300 --> 00:34:37.590
that we're able to keep
the traffic signals on,
00:34:37.590 --> 00:34:41.020
so we don't have mass chaos
during an evacuation process.
00:34:41.020 --> 00:34:43.370
So we dispatch our crews
00:34:43.370 --> 00:34:45.630
and we have our management personnel
00:34:45.630 --> 00:34:47.550
in our office of emergency management,
00:34:47.550 --> 00:34:48.980
working with all of these groups,
00:34:48.980 --> 00:34:51.830
so we can shut off
strategically ahead of the fire
00:34:51.830 --> 00:34:55.480
where needed, so we don't
contribute to the hazard,
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.560
but also to maintain
some calm during the storm
00:34:59.560 --> 00:35:01.460
when evacuations are taking place
00:35:01.460 --> 00:35:04.063
and to help the fire departments
when they go through.
00:35:06.050 --> 00:35:06.883
Next slide.
00:35:08.497 --> 00:35:09.813
Excuse me, last slide.
00:35:12.350 --> 00:35:13.870
Those are the main
things I wanted to go over.
00:35:13.870 --> 00:35:16.350
There's a lot of things in our plan
00:35:16.350 --> 00:35:17.840
that I'm very proud of.
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.670
I think that we've really kind of nailed
00:35:21.670 --> 00:35:24.340
some of the bigger
problems that we've had
00:35:24.340 --> 00:35:26.110
and wean them down to something
00:35:26.110 --> 00:35:28.090
that's really workable for us.
00:35:28.090 --> 00:35:29.210
We've made some huge strides,
00:35:29.210 --> 00:35:31.040
but we have a lot of strides to go.
00:35:31.040 --> 00:35:33.070
We have a large service territory,
00:35:33.070 --> 00:35:36.040
a lot of old equipment
and a small workforce
00:35:36.040 --> 00:35:38.410
that we lose to the IOUs quite often.
00:35:38.410 --> 00:35:42.260
So it's a big deal for us
to keep going with this.
00:35:42.260 --> 00:35:45.270
I put our contact
information on the last slide,
00:35:45.270 --> 00:35:49.230
if anybody wants to review
our plan, it's available.
00:35:49.230 --> 00:35:53.140
It's on our external website also.
00:35:53.140 --> 00:35:55.470
So thank you very much.
00:35:55.470 --> 00:35:57.690
I'm welcoming any
questions at the end here
00:35:57.690 --> 00:35:59.840
and thank you for
letting me present today.
00:36:01.487 --> 00:36:02.320
Good job, Brian.
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:03.153
Thank you.
00:36:03.153 --> 00:36:05.373
In particular, I really
liked the grid hardening.
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:07.613
Okay.
00:36:07.613 --> 00:36:10.300
And with that, we're gonna
move to Terry Crowley,
00:36:10.300 --> 00:36:12.780
Healdsburg Utility
Director, and that's obviously
00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:15.283
in the City of Healdsburg
Utilities Department.
00:36:16.390 --> 00:36:17.490
Terry, do we have you?
00:36:19.330 --> 00:36:20.163
Yes, I believe so.
00:36:20.163 --> 00:36:23.440
So good afternoon board members.
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.620
Thank you again for
allowing us to present to you
00:36:26.620 --> 00:36:28.880
and allowing us to
provide some this time.
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.130
So I'll jump into this a
little bit of background.
00:36:31.130 --> 00:36:32.483
So next slide please.
00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:35.320
So City Healdsburg,
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.430
we're a small publicly owned utility.
00:36:37.430 --> 00:36:39.970
Service territory, it's
only four square miles.
00:36:39.970 --> 00:36:43.060
Serve a population of
about 12,000 customers
00:36:43.060 --> 00:36:44.390
or 12,000 people.
00:36:44.390 --> 00:36:48.800
And then 6,000 meters,
60 miles of distribution line.
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:52.910
50% of that is underground,
7 1/2 miles of overhead
00:36:52.910 --> 00:36:54.770
are in the Tier 2 fire area.
00:36:54.770 --> 00:36:57.040
So that's what our focus is with respect
00:36:57.040 --> 00:36:58.760
to wildfire mitigation.
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:00.470
One substation,
00:37:00.470 --> 00:37:03.190
and then we are dependent on
PG&E for transmission source.
00:37:03.190 --> 00:37:05.950
So if PG&E decides to do a PSPS Event,
00:37:05.950 --> 00:37:07.330
that transmission level,
00:37:07.330 --> 00:37:10.260
we lose power to the entire community.
00:37:10.260 --> 00:37:12.690
So that's a little bit
something we'll go
00:37:12.690 --> 00:37:14.970
into a little bit more on
the communication side.
00:37:14.970 --> 00:37:17.010
And then we have 13 full-time employees
00:37:17.010 --> 00:37:18.060
to manage all of that.
00:37:18.060 --> 00:37:21.440
So it is a challenge
and we have a lot of staff
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:22.900
that wear a lot of different hats,
00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:25.113
but keeps us busy and out of trouble.
00:37:26.090 --> 00:37:27.440
Next slide, please.
00:37:35.180 --> 00:37:38.800
As far as background and wildfire city,
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:40.810
this graphic here shows
the City of Healdsburg service
00:37:40.810 --> 00:37:44.670
territory in the center there
outlined in black around us.
00:37:44.670 --> 00:37:46.913
You can see historical wildfires.
00:37:47.790 --> 00:37:51.070
The yellow area is the
most recent conveyed fire.
00:37:51.070 --> 00:37:53.550
This map is from 2019,
00:37:53.550 --> 00:37:56.700
so it's not quite updated
with the recent fires
00:37:56.700 --> 00:37:57.670
of the current year.
00:37:57.670 --> 00:38:01.210
So to the West of Healdsburg
was the Walbridge Fire.
00:38:01.210 --> 00:38:03.600
So that was an additional area,
00:38:03.600 --> 00:38:05.400
that pretty significant burn area.
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:09.810
And then also the glass fire
that burned into Santa Rosa
00:38:09.810 --> 00:38:11.730
was also an impact for us as well.
00:38:11.730 --> 00:38:13.550
So we are surrounded by wildfire.
00:38:13.550 --> 00:38:16.673
So it's a very real event for
us and for our community,
00:38:18.390 --> 00:38:20.070
and again, during the Kincade Fire,
00:38:20.070 --> 00:38:22.230
the town and many of the
towns in Sonoma County
00:38:22.230 --> 00:38:23.823
were evacuated due to that.
00:38:24.681 --> 00:38:26.900
And we have about 1400
of our 6,000 meters that are
00:38:28.200 --> 00:38:29.730
in Tier 2 fire areas.
00:38:29.730 --> 00:38:31.890
So it's a good portion of our customers
00:38:31.890 --> 00:38:34.840
that would be affected
by any of the work
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.060
that we do in the Tier 2 area.
00:38:37.060 --> 00:38:38.223
Next slide, please.
00:38:40.250 --> 00:38:42.940
So Customer notifications.
00:38:42.940 --> 00:38:43.960
We are a small city,
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.890
but we do have the ability
to contract with other entities
00:38:46.890 --> 00:38:51.040
to provide automated calling
and other sources like that
00:38:51.040 --> 00:38:52.253
or services like that.
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.500
Customer notifications
typically start with education.
00:38:56.500 --> 00:38:58.480
We wanna educate our
customers about the potential
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:02.210
of PSPS, educate our customers
that we can't guarantee power
00:39:02.210 --> 00:39:03.043
at all times,
00:39:03.043 --> 00:39:05.510
so outreach and education
is something that we start on
00:39:05.510 --> 00:39:07.880
and continue throughout the year.
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:09.710
Customer notification is a collaboration
00:39:09.710 --> 00:39:10.840
between city department.
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:13.370
So as a city, as a
publicly owned utility,
00:39:13.370 --> 00:39:15.770
we have good coordination
with the local fire
00:39:15.770 --> 00:39:18.500
and local police, city manager's office
00:39:18.500 --> 00:39:19.770
and other utility departments
00:39:19.770 --> 00:39:22.020
such as the water and
wastewater departments.
00:39:23.430 --> 00:39:25.600
And then for most customers,
00:39:25.600 --> 00:39:27.310
we work on automated phone calls.
00:39:27.310 --> 00:39:32.310
So those would be provided
to the average customer.
00:39:33.010 --> 00:39:35.740
And we try and do a prerecorded
message in both English
00:39:35.740 --> 00:39:38.630
and Spanish to make sure
that we reach every segment
00:39:38.630 --> 00:39:39.563
of our community.
00:39:40.650 --> 00:39:44.350
Critical facilities, police fire,
communication providers,
00:39:44.350 --> 00:39:46.700
other utilities, hospitals,
et cetera, those,
00:39:46.700 --> 00:39:49.150
we typically will provide a phone call
00:39:49.150 --> 00:39:51.820
as well as an email from the city.
00:39:51.820 --> 00:39:52.870
Again, it's a small city,
00:39:52.870 --> 00:39:54.380
so we have pretty good relationships
00:39:54.380 --> 00:39:56.750
with each one of these entities.
00:39:56.750 --> 00:39:58.560
And so we'll try and reach
out to them ahead of time
00:39:58.560 --> 00:40:00.560
and give them as much notice as possible
00:40:00.560 --> 00:40:03.023
on any potential PSPS event.
00:40:04.490 --> 00:40:05.650
Access and functional needs.
00:40:05.650 --> 00:40:08.830
Customers, we started
this summer reaching out
00:40:08.830 --> 00:40:11.780
and trying to collect as
much information as we could
00:40:11.780 --> 00:40:14.050
on that segment of our community.
00:40:14.050 --> 00:40:16.220
We'll do automated phone calls as well
00:40:16.220 --> 00:40:20.290
as follow-up calls to
confirm that those customers
00:40:20.290 --> 00:40:21.630
actually did receive the message.
00:40:21.630 --> 00:40:25.140
So we've tried to draw a
bubble around that group
00:40:25.140 --> 00:40:25.973
and really try to focus in
00:40:25.973 --> 00:40:27.910
and make sure that they're getting
00:40:27.910 --> 00:40:30.083
as much notice as possible with that.
00:40:31.080 --> 00:40:33.530
One of the challenges to all
of the customer notifications
00:40:33.530 --> 00:40:34.363
is timing.
00:40:34.363 --> 00:40:38.010
So there's a kind of
cadence in these events,
00:40:38.010 --> 00:40:40.197
leading up to a potential PSPS event
00:40:40.197 --> 00:40:42.850
You like to provide your
customers 48 hours notice
00:40:42.850 --> 00:40:44.400
at the minimum,
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.440
but being a transmission
dependent utility,
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.090
timing it's challenging.
00:40:48.090 --> 00:40:50.380
If we don't know what PG&E's plans are,
00:40:50.380 --> 00:40:52.810
we can't really relate
that to our community
00:40:52.810 --> 00:40:56.860
as far as what effect
maybe for a PSPS event.
00:40:56.860 --> 00:40:59.910
So we're trying to work
with PG&E and improve that
00:40:59.910 --> 00:41:03.230
and improve our customer
notifications at the same time.
00:41:03.230 --> 00:41:04.833
So next slide, please.
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.620
So system impacts inspections.
00:41:09.620 --> 00:41:12.370
And one of the things
that we think is the best
00:41:12.370 --> 00:41:14.800
or best mitigation measure that we have
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.360
is to provide routine
inspections and inspections often.
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.510
So prior to any fire season, we go out,
00:41:22.510 --> 00:41:23.680
we do visual inspections.
00:41:23.680 --> 00:41:26.530
We do visual inspections of
our entire system every year.
00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:28.810
And in the fire area,
00:41:28.810 --> 00:41:30.530
we're paying a little bit more attention
00:41:30.530 --> 00:41:33.830
to vegetation clearance, the
condition of the wood pole,
00:41:33.830 --> 00:41:37.210
crossarms, other support structures.
00:41:37.210 --> 00:41:38.223
And then whatever we find in there,
00:41:38.223 --> 00:41:40.360
we try and review and prioritize
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:41.470
those pending maintenance tags,
00:41:41.470 --> 00:41:43.350
such that we can get those things done
00:41:43.350 --> 00:41:46.010
in a fire threat areas
sooner, rather than later,
00:41:46.010 --> 00:41:48.823
we don't like to see
tags go past 12 months.
00:41:49.730 --> 00:41:51.397
So we'd like to get that stuff done
00:41:51.397 --> 00:41:53.913
and try and keep our
system in tip-top shape.
00:41:55.260 --> 00:41:57.920
Additional visual controls are performed
00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.840
before any red flag warnings.
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:03.740
So the intent here is that
we really want to take a look
00:42:03.740 --> 00:42:06.300
at the system before the winds come in
00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:09.040
and after the winds
leave to really understand
00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:10.360
how the is system performing.
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.290
And I think the best
way for us to do that
00:42:12.290 --> 00:42:14.900
is to really put eyes on the line before
00:42:14.900 --> 00:42:16.220
and after each of those events.
00:42:16.220 --> 00:42:20.360
And it helps us identify
where we have vegetation
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:21.280
that's falling.
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.500
Eucalypts tree is pretty typical
00:42:23.500 --> 00:42:25.267
that you'll see a lot of
bark falling off those trees.
00:42:25.267 --> 00:42:27.260
And so we can kind
of identify those areas
00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:30.490
as something that we might
wanna do additional mitigation
00:42:30.490 --> 00:42:32.823
work or additional grid hardening work.
00:42:33.700 --> 00:42:34.883
Next slide, please.
00:42:38.420 --> 00:42:39.450
Vegetation management.
00:42:39.450 --> 00:42:41.870
I can't tout this enough.
00:42:41.870 --> 00:42:44.780
I think this is one of the
biggest things that you can do
00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:48.773
to improve your reliability
and reduce the risk of wildfire.
00:42:49.640 --> 00:42:54.250
So on an annual basis
contract with a tree contractor,
00:42:54.250 --> 00:42:56.750
they have a 12-month
contract and they're required
00:42:56.750 --> 00:42:59.080
to maintain clearance
throughout that entire contract.
00:42:59.080 --> 00:43:02.140
So it's not just a one-time
thing where they come in
00:43:02.140 --> 00:43:05.200
and trim once, and then
they're done with their contract,
00:43:05.200 --> 00:43:07.050
they have to maintain that clearance.
00:43:08.470 --> 00:43:10.950
To help mitigate the risk
and improve our reliability,
00:43:10.950 --> 00:43:15.210
we ask for clearances that
exceed GO95 requirements.
00:43:15.210 --> 00:43:16.610
So typically on a primary,
00:43:16.610 --> 00:43:20.020
we'll ask them to trim
seven feet to maintain
00:43:20.020 --> 00:43:22.900
no less than four feet
through the contract period.
00:43:22.900 --> 00:43:24.300
So if you have a quick growing tree,
00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:25.703
they're gonna have to
go out there several times
00:43:25.703 --> 00:43:28.560
in a year to maintain
that four feet of clearance.
00:43:28.560 --> 00:43:31.110
We also make sure that
we trim our secondary,
00:43:31.110 --> 00:43:33.010
from pole to pole, maintain three feet
00:43:34.700 --> 00:43:36.380
at the time of trimming.
00:43:36.380 --> 00:43:38.270
And then no less than
one foot of clearance
00:43:38.270 --> 00:43:41.050
on our secondary, keep that stuff clean.
00:43:41.050 --> 00:43:41.883
Service drops.
00:43:41.883 --> 00:43:44.440
We also make sure
that there's no contact
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.010
and six inches of
clearance around there.
00:43:47.010 --> 00:43:50.020
We also try and clear around
the pools and streetlights
00:43:50.020 --> 00:43:51.493
and guy wires as well.
00:43:52.780 --> 00:43:53.613
And again, like I said,
00:43:53.613 --> 00:43:55.980
the contractor is required
to maintain those clearances
00:43:55.980 --> 00:43:58.890
throughout the contract
period, not just a one-time thing,
00:43:58.890 --> 00:44:00.910
and then it goes to there.
00:44:00.910 --> 00:44:02.060
And then the other thing too,
00:44:02.060 --> 00:44:05.400
I've mentioned that with
the vegetation is we do look
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.460
at those inspections
from the contractor,
00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:10.410
as well as having our own staff go back
00:44:10.410 --> 00:44:12.130
and look at that work
00:44:12.130 --> 00:44:14.750
and make sure that
everything's in clearance
00:44:14.750 --> 00:44:16.490
and proper for the events.
00:44:16.490 --> 00:44:18.610
And then leading
into a red flag warning,
00:44:18.610 --> 00:44:20.270
that's one of the bigger
things that our staff
00:44:20.270 --> 00:44:23.763
is looking for to try and
prepare our system for that.
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.430
And so that's really
quick brief overview
00:44:27.430 --> 00:44:30.110
of those key points of
our wildfire mitigation plan.
00:44:30.110 --> 00:44:33.810
Again, I thank board for
allowing publicly owned utilities
00:44:33.810 --> 00:44:35.650
to present and kind of tell our story
00:44:35.650 --> 00:44:37.990
of how we're mitigating wildfire risk
00:44:38.930 --> 00:44:40.290
and look forward to any questions
00:44:40.290 --> 00:44:43.663
that may come up at the
end of the presentations.
00:44:45.820 --> 00:44:46.653
Excellent.
00:44:46.653 --> 00:44:48.440
Thank you, Mr. Crowley.
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:50.110
We sure appreciate you being here
00:44:50.110 --> 00:44:52.460
and bringing that information forward.
00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:55.320
Next we have Mr. David Hernandez,
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.520
he's transmission and
distribution engineering manager
00:44:58.520 --> 00:45:00.600
for the beautiful City of Burbank
00:45:00.600 --> 00:45:02.562
in their water and power department.
00:45:02.562 --> 00:45:04.570
David.
00:45:04.570 --> 00:45:06.490
Good afternoon board members.
00:45:06.490 --> 00:45:08.560
David Hernandez,
manager T&D Engineering.
00:45:08.560 --> 00:45:10.580
I went through the other presentations,
00:45:10.580 --> 00:45:12.973
I'll be sharing some
specific aspects of BWP
00:45:13.810 --> 00:45:15.493
on fire mitigation plan.
00:45:16.950 --> 00:45:17.797
Slide please.
00:45:20.910 --> 00:45:23.610
The City of Burbank is
mostly an urban environment
00:45:23.610 --> 00:45:25.880
with about 17 square miles.
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.340
It's located about 12 miles North
00:45:28.340 --> 00:45:30.670
of Los Angeles, California.
00:45:30.670 --> 00:45:34.383
We have approximately
54,000 electric meters.
00:45:43.290 --> 00:45:46.680
And a peak load of 322 megawatts.
00:45:46.680 --> 00:45:47.837
Next, slide please.
00:45:51.069 --> 00:45:53.700
The next few slides
include a brief overview
00:45:53.700 --> 00:45:56.580
of the risk assessment
and priority levels included
00:45:56.580 --> 00:45:58.313
in our wildfire mitigation plans.
00:45:59.250 --> 00:46:01.700
Burbank has a Tier
2 fire threatened area
00:46:01.700 --> 00:46:03.977
as shown on the map here,
00:46:03.977 --> 00:46:08.010
but we don't have any
Tier 3 in our city limits.
00:46:08.010 --> 00:46:10.180
Now as part of its site evaluation,
00:46:10.180 --> 00:46:13.980
UWP in consultation with
the Burbank Fire Department
00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:17.407
and a third-party consultant
reviewed the site topography,
00:46:17.407 --> 00:46:19.180
the vegetation fuel.
00:46:19.180 --> 00:46:22.520
Overall, history of
fires in the Tier 2 area.
00:46:22.520 --> 00:46:25.627
And we identified what
areas really pose a greater risk
00:46:25.627 --> 00:46:28.010
and greater hazard for the ignition
00:46:28.010 --> 00:46:31.530
and spread of a wildfire
as well as finding out areas
00:46:31.530 --> 00:46:34.750
where road access was
limited for our fire department.
00:46:34.750 --> 00:46:35.700
Next slide, please.
00:46:40.190 --> 00:46:43.460
We identified the type and
amount of electrical equipment
00:46:43.460 --> 00:46:47.680
and overlaid that on this
map here in our Tier 2 area.
00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:48.513
In particular,
00:46:48.513 --> 00:46:50.940
it was really helpful for us to find out
00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:53.520
where all the overhead
facilities were located
00:46:53.520 --> 00:46:56.700
as overhead equipment
tends to pose a higher risk
00:46:56.700 --> 00:46:59.890
of ignition than underground equipment.
00:46:59.890 --> 00:47:03.910
About 5% of our overhead
wire and BWP is electric system
00:47:03.910 --> 00:47:07.090
is located in the Tier 2 area.
00:47:07.090 --> 00:47:09.410
And all of these
circuits in the Tier 2 area
00:47:09.410 --> 00:47:10.283
are four kV.
00:47:11.570 --> 00:47:12.520
Next slide, please.
00:47:17.740 --> 00:47:21.360
UWP reviewed historical
risk driver events.
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.670
And we found that we had
about 50 risk driver events
00:47:24.670 --> 00:47:28.760
over a 15-year period,
dating back to 2005.
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.570
And while BWP's electrical
equipment has not been known
00:47:32.570 --> 00:47:35.370
to ever cause the
ignition of a wildfire,
00:47:35.370 --> 00:47:37.210
we recognize that knowing the type
00:47:37.210 --> 00:47:40.040
and frequency of
these risk driver events
00:47:40.040 --> 00:47:41.027
in our Tier 2 area,
00:47:41.027 --> 00:47:44.060
this will help us know where
we can further minimize
00:47:44.060 --> 00:47:47.053
the risk of wildfires by our equipment.
00:47:49.250 --> 00:47:50.083
Slide, please.
00:47:53.640 --> 00:47:55.240
After our assessments,
00:47:55.240 --> 00:47:59.030
we prioritize areas that pose
the highest risk of ignition
00:47:59.030 --> 00:48:01.160
and spread it by wildfire.
00:48:01.160 --> 00:48:02.680
Our highest priority areas,
00:48:02.680 --> 00:48:06.270
2.1 is an area that
exhibited a significant amount
00:48:06.270 --> 00:48:10.740
of a vegetation fuel, included
a lot of overhead facilities
00:48:10.740 --> 00:48:14.450
and had some limited road access.
00:48:14.450 --> 00:48:15.400
Next slide, please.
00:48:19.670 --> 00:48:22.750
UWP has implemented
several mitigation measures
00:48:22.750 --> 00:48:26.430
that have reduced the risk
of wildfires of our equipment
00:48:26.430 --> 00:48:28.290
igniting a wildfire.
00:48:28.290 --> 00:48:30.470
I'll cover some of these
highlighted activities
00:48:30.470 --> 00:48:31.483
shown in this slide.
00:48:33.660 --> 00:48:34.493
Slide, please.
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:42.220
Now we've performed intrusive
pole inspections on every pole
00:48:42.220 --> 00:48:44.200
within the Tier 2 area.
00:48:44.200 --> 00:48:45.600
This helps us to identify
00:48:45.600 --> 00:48:49.560
and prioritize a deteriorated
pole replacement.
00:48:49.560 --> 00:48:51.820
Based on the results of our inspections,
00:48:51.820 --> 00:48:54.940
each poll is given a rating
that determines the priority
00:48:54.940 --> 00:48:56.823
and schedule of it's replacement.
00:48:57.750 --> 00:49:02.750
Since 2018, UWP has
replaced 45 deteriorated polls
00:49:02.846 --> 00:49:04.090
in our Tier 2 area,
00:49:04.090 --> 00:49:07.253
which is about 7% of the
polls in that Tier 2 area.
00:49:08.520 --> 00:49:09.620
Next slide, please.
00:49:14.330 --> 00:49:17.040
UWP also performs pole loading analysis
00:49:17.040 --> 00:49:19.340
anytime we replace a poll.
00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:20.250
In addition,
00:49:20.250 --> 00:49:23.420
we perform pole loading
analysis for each pole
00:49:23.420 --> 00:49:26.570
on our highest risk
circuit in the Tier 2 area.
00:49:26.570 --> 00:49:29.500
This resulted in one
pole needing replacement
00:49:29.500 --> 00:49:31.750
and another pole needing
additional guidance.
00:49:33.683 --> 00:49:34.516
Slide, please.
00:49:38.570 --> 00:49:40.140
In order to reduce the frequency
00:49:40.140 --> 00:49:44.550
of transformer fuse operations
and transformer failures,
00:49:44.550 --> 00:49:47.670
we reduced our criteria
in the Tier 2 area,
00:49:47.670 --> 00:49:51.110
such that transformers with
more than 150% overload
00:49:51.110 --> 00:49:52.870
would be replaced.
00:49:52.870 --> 00:49:56.723
In 2020, we replaced 26
transformers in the Tier 2 area.
00:49:58.660 --> 00:49:59.493
Slide, please.
00:50:02.963 --> 00:50:05.590
While most utilities have
implemented the best practice
00:50:05.590 --> 00:50:07.090
of blocking their reclosures
00:50:07.090 --> 00:50:09.910
during a red flag warning condition,
00:50:09.910 --> 00:50:13.120
UWP also increases the
sensitivity of its protective
00:50:13.120 --> 00:50:15.840
relaying inside the substation,
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:19.220
which can significantly reduce
the amounts of arcane energy
00:50:19.220 --> 00:50:21.240
during an electrical fault,
00:50:21.240 --> 00:50:23.263
thereby reducing the risk of wildfires.
00:50:24.220 --> 00:50:25.170
Next slide, please.
00:50:29.190 --> 00:50:34.190
Lastly, BWP is considering
several other mitigation measures
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.513
such as covered conductors
to reduce wire contact event.
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:42.240
Replacement of explosive
fuses to eliminate parking
00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:43.803
during a fuse operation.
00:50:44.900 --> 00:50:48.410
Field reclosures to minimize
outage reservation times
00:50:48.410 --> 00:50:51.300
by isolating only the
Tier 2 portion of a circuit
00:50:51.300 --> 00:50:53.090
after an outage.
00:50:53.090 --> 00:50:54.590
And following conductor protection
00:50:54.590 --> 00:50:57.620
to detect a broken
conductor and de-energize it
00:50:57.620 --> 00:50:59.233
before it falls to the ground.
00:51:00.680 --> 00:51:01.770
Next slide, please.
00:51:05.110 --> 00:51:07.830
So that concludes my presentation.
00:51:07.830 --> 00:51:10.130
Thank you for the opportunity
to share these aspects
00:51:10.130 --> 00:51:12.143
of BWP's wildfire mitigation plan.
00:51:13.952 --> 00:51:15.560
Thank you, Mr. Hernandez.
00:51:15.560 --> 00:51:18.140
In particular, I liked
the proactive nature
00:51:18.140 --> 00:51:19.820
of your transmission, excuse me,
00:51:19.820 --> 00:51:23.713
transformer replacement
program in Tier 2.
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:26.423
Thank you again for being here.
00:51:27.940 --> 00:51:31.670
Next, I would like to
introduce Mr. Joe Gill,
00:51:31.670 --> 00:51:33.830
he's the assistant general manager
00:51:33.830 --> 00:51:36.070
of Turlock Irrigation District.
00:51:36.070 --> 00:51:36.903
Joe.
00:51:37.781 --> 00:51:40.360
I thank you board for
allowing the district to come
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:42.263
and present our elements of our plan.
00:51:43.100 --> 00:51:46.130
We going over a number of
items here that were requested
00:51:46.130 --> 00:51:49.310
to bring to the board's
attention of all the efforts
00:51:49.310 --> 00:51:54.053
that we placed, details of
our profile of our territory,
00:51:54.053 --> 00:51:56.387
mitigation measures that
were implemented in 19
00:51:56.387 --> 00:51:58.430
and 20 and future,
00:51:58.430 --> 00:52:00.517
along with how we evaluated
the mitigation measures.
00:52:00.517 --> 00:52:02.980
So basically our metrics
that we developed,
00:52:02.980 --> 00:52:04.140
but before we begin,
00:52:04.140 --> 00:52:06.120
I'll give you a brief
overview of the district.
00:52:06.120 --> 00:52:07.740
We were formed in 1887,
00:52:07.740 --> 00:52:10.510
we're the first irrigation
districts in California.
00:52:10.510 --> 00:52:12.830
Were located right
in Central California,
00:52:12.830 --> 00:52:15.410
we're 676 square miles,
00:52:15.410 --> 00:52:17.790
about 100,000 customers that we serve.
00:52:17.790 --> 00:52:20.820
And we have a peak of
571 that we recently just
00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:23.760
hit this summer with our
heat wave coming through.
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.780
And we are a balancing
authority within California.
00:52:26.780 --> 00:52:27.730
Next slide, please.
00:52:30.870 --> 00:52:33.010
So one of the aspects
that we wanted to highlight
00:52:33.010 --> 00:52:36.540
with quality evaluated
our service territory
00:52:36.540 --> 00:52:41.540
and in particular for the
CPUC's Tier 2 and the SRA,
00:52:42.870 --> 00:52:45.310
we actually took both
areas, both elements
00:52:45.310 --> 00:52:47.120
and overlay that over
our service territory
00:52:47.120 --> 00:52:50.490
and identified all our
substations and transmission lines
00:52:50.490 --> 00:52:51.870
and put those in perspective.
00:52:51.870 --> 00:52:55.060
And took the most conservative
approach for implementing
00:52:55.060 --> 00:52:58.470
our mitigation measures
with both the Tier 2
00:52:58.470 --> 00:53:00.273
and SRA requirements.
00:53:01.120 --> 00:53:01.953
Next slide.
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.030
As we went down to
each section of our territory
00:53:07.030 --> 00:53:10.000
as it you kind of soften the Ezra map.
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:14.160
Our areas are impacted on
the tips of our service territory.
00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:17.160
And what you're seeing here
is considered our West Side.
00:53:17.160 --> 00:53:19.620
This is divided by our
Seneca County line.
00:53:19.620 --> 00:53:21.810
For those that are
probably very familiar with it,
00:53:21.810 --> 00:53:23.530
this is an area that we had to contend
00:53:23.530 --> 00:53:26.390
with the SCU Lightning Complex Fire.
00:53:26.390 --> 00:53:28.487
And we had a number of our territory,
00:53:28.487 --> 00:53:31.090
oh sorry, services
that were highlighted.
00:53:31.090 --> 00:53:33.930
And you can see on the
map there in magenta color,
00:53:33.930 --> 00:53:35.350
there's our distribution lines.
00:53:35.350 --> 00:53:36.640
We actually really had to go out
00:53:36.640 --> 00:53:38.850
and repair all those
facilities during this fire
00:53:38.850 --> 00:53:39.740
that we had to contend with.
00:53:39.740 --> 00:53:43.231
But all the mitigation measures
that we've have implemented
00:53:43.231 --> 00:53:47.060
were very effective
going through that event.
00:53:47.060 --> 00:53:49.790
But that's how we
identified all our areas here
00:53:49.790 --> 00:53:51.990
for this particular zone.
00:53:51.990 --> 00:53:52.940
Next slide, please.
00:53:55.509 --> 00:53:56.940
And that goes to the
other side of our territory.
00:53:56.940 --> 00:53:58.570
You can see that there's
two different layers,
00:53:58.570 --> 00:54:00.180
as I mentioned, and
this would really highlight.
00:54:00.180 --> 00:54:02.190
At the tip of our service territory,
00:54:02.190 --> 00:54:04.700
you can see where
that's an orange color,
00:54:04.700 --> 00:54:09.090
that's what's identified
as the high-risk Tier 2.
00:54:09.090 --> 00:54:11.280
And the light orange is the SRA.
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:14.320
And as I was mentioning
that we took both areas
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:17.370
and identified them as a
high fire risk for the district
00:54:17.370 --> 00:54:18.940
and took the most conservative approach.
00:54:18.940 --> 00:54:22.160
So we went well beyond of
what the CPUC requirements
00:54:22.160 --> 00:54:23.030
were here.
00:54:23.030 --> 00:54:26.690
Just ensure that the wildfire
mitigation are impactful
00:54:26.690 --> 00:54:29.640
and also our customers are
well aware of what actions
00:54:29.640 --> 00:54:31.790
we're taking for mitigation.
00:54:31.790 --> 00:54:32.623
Next one.
00:54:35.210 --> 00:54:37.530
For also identifying the profiles,
00:54:37.530 --> 00:54:40.560
really needed to see what
type of vegetation management
00:54:40.560 --> 00:54:42.060
needed to be taken effect.
00:54:42.060 --> 00:54:44.580
We looked at both sides,
as I mentioned for a territory,
00:54:44.580 --> 00:54:47.310
whether it's graph line,
riparian, what it may be.
00:54:47.310 --> 00:54:50.720
So what type of tree trimming
activities need to be taking.
00:54:50.720 --> 00:54:53.902
And also if there's any
grass brush or even firebreaks
00:54:53.902 --> 00:54:55.870
that need to be taken in consideration,
00:54:55.870 --> 00:54:57.960
we're all evaluated
based on how we identified
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.383
our service territory.
00:55:00.640 --> 00:55:01.623
Next slide.
00:55:04.425 --> 00:55:05.610
And that goes for the West side.
00:55:05.610 --> 00:55:10.610
As we mentioned to the SCU
Complex fire is high brush grass
00:55:10.630 --> 00:55:14.000
was in this area and
the profile in this area
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:15.320
is much different than any other.
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:16.990
We deal with the canyons
00:55:16.990 --> 00:55:18.770
and high winds in this particular area,
00:55:18.770 --> 00:55:21.480
which helped us evaluate what mitigation
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:25.570
seem to be impactful
here based on the brush
00:55:25.570 --> 00:55:26.533
in this territory.
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:28.593
Next one.
00:55:31.310 --> 00:55:33.300
So as we identified the territory,
00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:36.850
we looked through what areas
and what type of mitigation
00:55:36.850 --> 00:55:39.370
could be taken in the particular years.
00:55:39.370 --> 00:55:43.617
In 2019, we trimmed
approximately about 2,400 trees.
00:55:43.617 --> 00:55:45.960
Any of them removed a number of those,
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.270
along with that, we utilized
the aspect of removing
00:55:50.270 --> 00:55:53.330
all our non-exempt
equipment that includes fuses,
00:55:53.330 --> 00:55:57.130
lightening arresters, switches
and installed equipment
00:55:57.130 --> 00:55:59.480
such as fault tamers, our SME 20 fuses,
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.300
which are areas that we
can actually include or utilize
00:56:02.300 --> 00:56:04.220
in those fires zones.
00:56:04.220 --> 00:56:07.140
We also changed our work
practices and the work practices
00:56:07.140 --> 00:56:09.230
and include remove of non-reclosing
00:56:09.230 --> 00:56:12.530
as many IOUs and POUs have implemented,
00:56:12.530 --> 00:56:15.890
but also our work methods
where we would avoid working
00:56:15.890 --> 00:56:17.810
in the red flag warning zones.
00:56:17.810 --> 00:56:21.340
But if a priority on
maintenance would be required,
00:56:21.340 --> 00:56:24.490
the wildfire mitigation
measure requires us
00:56:24.490 --> 00:56:28.180
to utilize a water buffalo to
take up there with the crews
00:56:28.180 --> 00:56:30.130
so we can suppress any fires or anything
00:56:30.130 --> 00:56:33.130
that could contend with the
work happening out in the field.
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.340
One of the biggest things
that we were advocates of
00:56:37.340 --> 00:56:38.660
is working with our landowners,
00:56:38.660 --> 00:56:41.360
making sure that they
understand their responsibilities.
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:45.100
And ensuring that the new
wood vegetation management
00:56:45.100 --> 00:56:48.260
that they need to contend
with within their homes.
00:56:48.260 --> 00:56:50.550
And also the big
thing is, is coordination.
00:56:50.550 --> 00:56:52.700
And you'll hear it from
a number of POUs here,
00:56:52.700 --> 00:56:55.420
coordinating with Cal Fire
was instrumental in developing
00:56:55.420 --> 00:56:58.240
our program and making sure
that we have a good open line
00:56:58.240 --> 00:57:01.870
of communication with them
to ensure what we're presenting
00:57:01.870 --> 00:57:02.950
is adequate.
00:57:02.950 --> 00:57:06.580
And it supports their
efforts in the event
00:57:06.580 --> 00:57:08.190
of fighting a fire.
00:57:08.190 --> 00:57:10.570
And then lastly, it's public meetings,
00:57:10.570 --> 00:57:12.610
we've held a number of public meetings,
00:57:12.610 --> 00:57:15.250
making sure that all
our customers are aware
00:57:15.250 --> 00:57:17.670
and those particular
part of the territory,
00:57:17.670 --> 00:57:20.130
the efforts of the district is taken.
00:57:20.130 --> 00:57:20.963
Next one.
00:57:23.049 --> 00:57:24.920
And so in 2020 this year,
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.000
we did increase our
patrols in the fire zones
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.120
that we have
identified for the district.
00:57:31.120 --> 00:57:32.800
Intrusive pole testing
is one of the items
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.440
that we've actually completed this year,
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:36.850
went through and looked at each area
00:57:36.850 --> 00:57:39.260
and now put together
projects to complete those.
00:57:39.260 --> 00:57:42.070
So use of fiberglass
poles or steel poles,
00:57:42.070 --> 00:57:43.700
depending upon the area.
00:57:43.700 --> 00:57:46.650
One of the things that we
really looked at that was an issue
00:57:46.650 --> 00:57:49.600
is replacement of conductors
in particular, copper.
00:57:49.600 --> 00:57:51.780
Copper is one of the
areas in our territory
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:54.290
that we've had for a number
of years, that suits well,
00:57:54.290 --> 00:57:56.150
but it is prone to fall
00:57:56.150 --> 00:57:57.950
if there's an incident
that occurs at the eight,
00:57:57.950 --> 00:58:01.100
if a bird gets into a line or
there's a high fault current
00:58:01.100 --> 00:58:01.933
that occurred.
00:58:01.933 --> 00:58:04.570
So we really identify those areas.
00:58:04.570 --> 00:58:05.403
And then lastly,
00:58:05.403 --> 00:58:08.900
is there making sure our park
control center has operations
00:58:08.900 --> 00:58:11.830
of their non-substation
reclosure field operations
00:58:11.830 --> 00:58:12.663
of equipment.
00:58:13.540 --> 00:58:14.433
Next slide.
00:58:17.665 --> 00:58:20.710
And in future years, the
drone is one of the items
00:58:20.710 --> 00:58:21.870
that we're gonna be setting into.
00:58:21.870 --> 00:58:23.160
We currently have a drone program,
00:58:23.160 --> 00:58:25.210
but we wanna enhance that drone program
00:58:25.210 --> 00:58:26.910
to include inspections within that area.
00:58:26.910 --> 00:58:29.010
Include infrared inspections
00:58:29.010 --> 00:58:31.040
and then considering
undergrounding and use utilizing
00:58:31.040 --> 00:58:33.560
additional tree wire in certain areas.
00:58:33.560 --> 00:58:36.440
And then adopting some of
these smart grid technologies
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:37.890
that are out there currently.
00:58:38.769 --> 00:58:40.090
And that's really gonna be instrumental
00:58:40.090 --> 00:58:42.900
of getting more information
back to our operators to ensure
00:58:42.900 --> 00:58:46.660
that we can operate
the facilities appropriately
00:58:46.660 --> 00:58:48.123
and ensuring that there's no fire
00:58:48.123 --> 00:58:49.963
that are being caused by them.
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:51.833
Next one.
00:58:54.420 --> 00:58:56.010
And so this goes into our metrics
00:58:56.010 --> 00:58:57.840
of how the mitigation measures
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.880
that we've implemented
and what can we do to ensure
00:59:01.900 --> 00:59:05.160
that the measures that we
have are actually effective.
00:59:05.160 --> 00:59:07.670
And so there's a number of
items that we've listed here
00:59:07.670 --> 00:59:09.920
for staff to continue to report on
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:13.380
whether we have the
vegetation caused outage,
00:59:13.380 --> 00:59:15.380
what is the source of that
information where we get it
00:59:15.380 --> 00:59:16.640
from the field?
00:59:16.640 --> 00:59:21.410
And from that point on was
that during a red flag warning?
00:59:21.410 --> 00:59:23.950
And that kind of puts down
to yes, it was or wasn't.
00:59:23.950 --> 00:59:26.823
And what impacts did we have
regarding that the mitigation
00:59:26.823 --> 00:59:28.250
that was put in place?
00:59:28.250 --> 00:59:30.883
And then evaluation would
come down for us to say,
00:59:31.940 --> 00:59:34.750
so we trimmed say
2000 trees, for example.
00:59:34.750 --> 00:59:38.160
And well, how effective was
that in that particular area?
00:59:38.160 --> 00:59:40.480
If we had a fire that occurred
in that particular area,
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:41.980
what other measures can be implemented?
00:59:41.980 --> 00:59:45.000
So we need to spray herbicides,
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.290
additional herbicides around each pole,
00:59:47.290 --> 00:59:48.870
our firebreaks with on each pole.
00:59:48.870 --> 00:59:51.490
So the metrics that we implemented,
00:59:51.490 --> 00:59:55.190
we felt that it's very helpful
for us to identify projects
00:59:55.190 --> 00:59:58.090
in the future and how we can currently,
00:59:58.090 --> 01:00:01.440
and also in the future advance our walk,
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:02.590
our mitigation program.
01:00:04.245 --> 01:00:07.197
And that concludes the
district's presentation.
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:10.760
Excellent.
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:14.883
Thank you very much, Mr. Gail,
we truly do appreciate that.
01:00:15.990 --> 01:00:20.110
Next up, we have Bradley Kresge.
01:00:20.110 --> 01:00:23.773
The General Manager, Surprise
Valley Electrification Corp.
01:00:26.540 --> 01:00:29.370
Hi, I'm
actually DJ Northrup.
01:00:29.370 --> 01:00:31.120
I'm the member service manager
01:00:31.120 --> 01:00:33.030
with the Surprise Valley Electric.
01:00:33.030 --> 01:00:35.000
I'm the presenter today.
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:36.800
Brad is on the phone in his office,
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:40.650
so he will be available for
any questions for the board
01:00:40.650 --> 01:00:42.673
or from the board later on.
01:00:43.603 --> 01:00:44.890
All right DJ, thank you.
01:00:44.890 --> 01:00:46.650
No problem.
01:00:46.650 --> 01:00:47.483
Next slide.
01:00:56.220 --> 01:00:57.123
Next slide please.
01:00:59.250 --> 01:01:03.440
Surprise Valley Electrification
Corp is a private non-profit
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:08.440
electric cooperative founded
in 1937 and energized in 1938
01:01:08.830 --> 01:01:12.040
to provide reliable electric
service to the member owners
01:01:12.040 --> 01:01:14.110
at the lowest rate possible.
01:01:14.110 --> 01:01:18.160
SVEC Service Area extends
north to Summer Lake Oregon,
01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:20.690
south to Ravendale, California.
01:01:20.690 --> 01:01:25.063
West to Day, California,
and East to Vya, Nevada.
01:01:26.330 --> 01:01:28.790
The area highlighted with
the blue lines on the map
01:01:28.790 --> 01:01:32.150
is a joint service
territory that SVEC shares
01:01:32.150 --> 01:01:34.040
with Pacific Corp.
01:01:34.040 --> 01:01:38.734
The total area served
is 7,650 square miles.
01:01:38.734 --> 01:01:40.538
(phone beeping)
01:01:40.538 --> 01:01:42.280
As of November 12th, 2020,
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:46.770
the cooperative serves
6,729 electric meters.
01:01:46.770 --> 01:01:50.490
Out of those accounts
5,535 are residential
01:01:50.490 --> 01:01:51.960
and commercial meters.
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.683
And 1,194 serve
agricultural irrigation pumps.
01:01:57.190 --> 01:02:00.230
SVEC Service Area falls
within the service boundary
01:02:00.230 --> 01:02:02.320
of Bonneville Power Administration,
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:05.210
making us the only California
cooperative that can purchase
01:02:05.210 --> 01:02:08.623
wholesale electricity from
that federal power agency.
01:02:09.870 --> 01:02:10.703
Next slide.
01:02:14.290 --> 01:02:19.290
Out of the 2,158 miles of
total overhead transmission,
01:02:19.650 --> 01:02:22.140
distribution and underground line,
01:02:22.140 --> 01:02:27.140
SVEC only has 464 miles of
line or roughly 21% of our system
01:02:29.080 --> 01:02:32.620
fall under the Tier
2 fire zone category.
01:02:32.620 --> 01:02:36.843
SVEC has 0% that falls
under Tier 3 category.
01:02:38.680 --> 01:02:39.513
Next slide.
01:02:42.750 --> 01:02:45.620
This is a high level
map of SVEC's assets
01:02:45.620 --> 01:02:48.610
throughout Modoc and Lassen counties.
01:02:48.610 --> 01:02:50.900
This map shows our
entire electrical system
01:02:50.900 --> 01:02:54.093
where it's spans in regards
to the Tier 2 fire zone.
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:57.153
Next slide.
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:03.950
SVEC has an extensive inspection program
01:03:03.950 --> 01:03:07.260
for our transmission
distribution and underground line.
01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:11.130
SVEC also inspects every
single substation monthly
01:03:11.130 --> 01:03:13.630
to make sure everything
is operating as it should.
01:03:15.290 --> 01:03:17.570
All inspection reports are submitted
01:03:17.570 --> 01:03:19.810
to the California Public
Utility Commission every year
01:03:19.810 --> 01:03:23.690
to be in compliance with
GO95, GO165 and GO174.
01:03:27.070 --> 01:03:27.903
Next slide.
01:03:30.980 --> 01:03:35.220
SVEC prioritizes our
maintenance on a three-level scale.
01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:37.610
Priority one is considered
an immediate hazard
01:03:37.610 --> 01:03:40.590
and needs to be taken
care of as soon as possible.
01:03:40.590 --> 01:03:43.410
Priority two is considered
a non-emergency repair
01:03:43.410 --> 01:03:46.160
and will be prioritized by
urgency within one year
01:03:46.160 --> 01:03:47.193
where practicable.
01:03:48.560 --> 01:03:52.210
Priority three is also considered
a non-emergency repair
01:03:52.210 --> 01:03:54.810
and will be noted by the
inspector on the urgency
01:03:54.810 --> 01:03:57.410
of the work needed to be
completed within two years.
01:03:59.030 --> 01:03:59.863
Next slide.
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:08.260
SVEC implements a GIS or
geographic information system.
01:04:08.260 --> 01:04:09.540
With this system in place,
01:04:09.540 --> 01:04:12.240
it allows us to work
side-by-side with Cal Fire,
01:04:12.240 --> 01:04:14.680
Forest Service, Bureau
of Land Management
01:04:14.680 --> 01:04:16.480
and other agencies.
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:20.540
We can share the exact
location of our entire system,
01:04:20.540 --> 01:04:23.650
allowing them to see where
natural firebreaks may occur
01:04:23.650 --> 01:04:25.980
due to our established Right of Ways.
01:04:25.980 --> 01:04:29.130
In return, the fire agencies
can share with us the location
01:04:29.130 --> 01:04:31.210
of the fire and their crews.
01:04:31.210 --> 01:04:34.090
This allows us to determine
if a certain area may need
01:04:34.090 --> 01:04:36.760
to be de-energized to
prevent any utility fires
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:37.593
from happening.
01:04:39.090 --> 01:04:39.923
Next slide.
01:04:43.870 --> 01:04:47.070
One major resource to Surprise
Valley electrification Corps
01:04:47.070 --> 01:04:49.580
has been the California
Department of Corrections
01:04:49.580 --> 01:04:52.370
Devil's Garden Conservation Camp.
01:04:52.370 --> 01:04:55.880
SVEC works alongside
the Modoc Fire Safe Council
01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:58.053
who works directly with the CDCR.
01:04:58.890 --> 01:05:01.100
The CDCR staff and inmates
01:05:01.100 --> 01:05:04.010
have not only been a huge asset to us,
01:05:04.010 --> 01:05:05.760
but to the local community as well.
01:05:06.660 --> 01:05:09.130
The CDCR crews were able to open back up
01:05:09.130 --> 01:05:10.760
our existing Right of Way
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:12.560
underneath our overhead power lines.
01:05:13.430 --> 01:05:15.710
This allowed SVEC to then get a dozer
01:05:15.710 --> 01:05:17.233
to re-establish the roads.
01:05:18.190 --> 01:05:21.650
The benefits of having this
fuel break is easier access
01:05:21.650 --> 01:05:24.820
for us to maintain our
infant structure harding
01:05:24.820 --> 01:05:28.580
in our system by upgrading
our transmission poles
01:05:28.580 --> 01:05:30.340
and to prevent a utility fire,
01:05:30.340 --> 01:05:32.533
as well as cutting down on outage times.
01:05:33.980 --> 01:05:37.090
The benefit for all
other agency is knowing
01:05:37.090 --> 01:05:40.230
that the fuel break is in
place in case of a wildfire.
01:05:40.230 --> 01:05:42.070
Without this very much needed resource
01:05:42.070 --> 01:05:44.420
of the Devil's Garden Conservation Camp,
01:05:44.420 --> 01:05:48.340
SVEC would fall behind
in a wildfire mitigation plan.
01:05:48.340 --> 01:05:51.300
The CDCR is a very much
needed fuel break solution
01:05:51.300 --> 01:05:53.810
for the entire State of California.
01:05:53.810 --> 01:05:56.690
SVEC would highly
recommend all utilities look
01:05:56.690 --> 01:05:58.950
into using the CDCR or partnering up
01:05:58.950 --> 01:06:00.913
with a local fire safe council.
01:06:02.420 --> 01:06:03.253
Next slide.
01:06:07.060 --> 01:06:09.900
I've included here some
pictures of the CDCR crews
01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:11.950
cleaning up the Right of
Ways by removing new
01:06:11.950 --> 01:06:13.633
and old growth, Juniper trees.
01:06:15.590 --> 01:06:16.423
Next slide.
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:23.770
Once the Juniper trees
have been removed,
01:06:23.770 --> 01:06:26.190
this allowed SVEC
to get in with the dozer
01:06:26.190 --> 01:06:27.920
to re-establish the existing road
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:31.853
along our transmission line
once the crews were finished.
01:06:34.640 --> 01:06:35.473
Next slide.
01:06:40.334 --> 01:06:43.330
SCEC hired a contractor using
masticator to remove the brush
01:06:43.330 --> 01:06:44.520
along the county right of way,
01:06:44.520 --> 01:06:47.330
preparing for a new stronger
distribution line to be built
01:06:47.330 --> 01:06:49.933
to meet California Public
Utility Commission Code.
01:06:52.270 --> 01:06:53.103
Next slide.
01:06:57.370 --> 01:07:02.110
SCEC hired a year
round tree trimming crew
01:07:02.110 --> 01:07:03.610
to keep our right of ways cleared
01:07:03.610 --> 01:07:06.270
while maintaining fire
clearances as described
01:07:06.270 --> 01:07:08.343
in our wildfire mitigation plan.
01:07:09.340 --> 01:07:12.140
They work year round,
Oregon, California.
01:07:12.140 --> 01:07:16.923
They clear transmission
distribution, very handy.
01:07:18.140 --> 01:07:18.973
Next slide.
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:24.850
This is just showing in
our wildfire mitigation plan
01:07:24.850 --> 01:07:28.490
the clearances that we
require for the fire crews
01:07:28.490 --> 01:07:33.173
for the Devils Garden, Cal
Fire, this is what we expect.
01:07:34.570 --> 01:07:35.520
Next slide, please.
01:07:39.260 --> 01:07:41.570
Thank you for having us, choosing us.
01:07:41.570 --> 01:07:44.290
I know we're a small
cooperative in a big state,
01:07:44.290 --> 01:07:47.430
so to get included in
this was very important
01:07:47.430 --> 01:07:48.873
for Brad and myself.
01:08:09.688 --> 01:08:12.191
Chair Edwards.
(laughing)
01:08:12.191 --> 01:08:13.370
Thank you so much.
01:08:13.370 --> 01:08:14.707
Edwards, did we lose you?
01:08:23.695 --> 01:08:24.528
All right.
01:08:24.528 --> 01:08:29.180
Well, let's just move
on to our last presenter
01:08:31.670 --> 01:08:33.133
of the day, please.
01:08:34.290 --> 01:08:38.100
Lora Anguay, oh my
goodness, I might've killed that.
01:08:38.100 --> 01:08:39.890
Interim chief grid strategies
01:08:39.890 --> 01:08:43.513
and operations officer for
SMUD, I apologize Lora.
01:08:44.400 --> 01:08:46.670
That's okay, can
everyone hear me?
01:08:46.670 --> 01:08:50.180
My apologies as well Lora,
my phone came unplugged,
01:08:50.180 --> 01:08:51.573
please continue, thank you.
01:08:52.470 --> 01:08:53.303
Okay, thank you.
01:08:53.303 --> 01:08:54.136
Can you hear me?
01:08:54.136 --> 01:08:54.969
Am I on?
01:08:54.969 --> 01:08:57.140
Sorry.
Yep.
01:08:57.140 --> 01:08:57.973
Okay, perfect.
01:08:57.973 --> 01:08:59.950
I just didn't see the video
going, so I wasn't sure.
01:08:59.950 --> 01:09:01.220
So good afternoon, thank you.
01:09:01.220 --> 01:09:03.320
And then to you and to the entire board,
01:09:03.320 --> 01:09:05.470
I'm Lora Anguay, the
Interim Chief Grid Strategy
01:09:05.470 --> 01:09:08.080
and Operations Officer for SMUD.
01:09:08.080 --> 01:09:09.030
Next slide, please.
01:09:12.610 --> 01:09:14.470
So these are the comments
that we received back
01:09:14.470 --> 01:09:16.780
from the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board in the areas
01:09:16.780 --> 01:09:19.660
that we were asked to
focus our presentation on.
01:09:19.660 --> 01:09:21.850
So the first is around
our risk assessment
01:09:21.850 --> 01:09:24.877
and the identification of
programs that mitigate each risk.
01:09:24.877 --> 01:09:27.870
And the second is our
vegetation management program.
01:09:27.870 --> 01:09:30.470
And then last is our
infrastructure inspection programs
01:09:30.470 --> 01:09:32.683
for identification of potential hazard.
01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:36.750
Until I can turn my
video, oh, I'm sorry.
01:09:36.750 --> 01:09:39.490
Got it, thank you.
01:09:39.490 --> 01:09:40.440
Next slide, please.
01:09:43.710 --> 01:09:45.407
So SMUD is located
in Northern California
01:09:45.407 --> 01:09:48.040
and we provide electric
service to our customers
01:09:48.040 --> 01:09:49.840
within the Sacramento County
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:51.810
and a small portion of Placer County.
01:09:51.810 --> 01:09:54.640
If you look at the Eastern
portion of our service territory,
01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:56.967
the area in yellow is the
state responsibility area.
01:09:56.967 --> 01:09:58.160
And in later slides,
01:09:58.160 --> 01:10:00.340
but you'll see that this
area actually borders
01:10:00.340 --> 01:10:02.740
the CPUC high fire threat district.
01:10:02.740 --> 01:10:06.260
We have roughly 640,000
customers and serve a population
01:10:06.260 --> 01:10:08.680
of about 1 1/2 million people.
01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:09.513
Next slide.
01:10:12.850 --> 01:10:15.440
For the development of our
wildfire risk mitigation plan,
01:10:15.440 --> 01:10:17.860
we conducted a risk
assessment similar to the rest
01:10:17.860 --> 01:10:20.210
of the utilities that have spoken today
01:10:20.210 --> 01:10:23.000
to identify the key risk
drivers and their impacts.
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:24.720
We identified existing programs
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:26.820
and procedures to
help mitigate the risk.
01:10:26.820 --> 01:10:29.310
And then we look to
see where we had gaps
01:10:29.310 --> 01:10:31.710
and we also surveyed the
industry for best practices.
01:10:31.710 --> 01:10:34.650
We reviewed new and emerging
technologies to determine
01:10:34.650 --> 01:10:37.020
what additional
activities if needed were,
01:10:37.020 --> 01:10:38.880
that we needed to
include to further mitigate
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:40.073
our wildfire risk.
01:10:41.330 --> 01:10:42.163
Next slide.
01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:47.020
Our plan also takes into consideration
01:10:47.020 --> 01:10:49.720
our geographical risks and
we prioritize work streams
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:51.100
within these areas.
01:10:51.100 --> 01:10:52.160
And on the left-hand side
01:10:52.160 --> 01:10:54.410
is the CPUC's high fire threaten up.
01:10:54.410 --> 01:10:56.370
The black outline within
the center of that map
01:10:56.370 --> 01:10:57.660
is my service territory.
01:10:57.660 --> 01:11:00.120
And you can see that our
service territory is not located
01:11:00.120 --> 01:11:02.120
within the high fire threat district.
01:11:02.120 --> 01:11:03.787
However, we do have hydrogeneration
01:11:03.787 --> 01:11:06.060
and transmission
facilities that are located
01:11:06.060 --> 01:11:07.930
within the high fire threat area
01:11:07.930 --> 01:11:10.330
for our upper American
river project or the UARP,
01:11:10.330 --> 01:11:12.230
which is located in Eldorado County.
01:11:12.230 --> 01:11:14.630
And that's slightly east
of our service territory.
01:11:14.630 --> 01:11:18.850
We have about 130 circuit
miles of transmission lines
01:11:18.850 --> 01:11:20.600
within the high fire threat districts.
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:21.433
And in addition,
01:11:21.433 --> 01:11:23.720
we have about three
miles of distribution lines
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:25.430
located in that area to provide power
01:11:25.430 --> 01:11:26.830
to those generations sights.
01:11:27.730 --> 01:11:30.710
On the right hand side is Cal
Fire's high severity zone map,
01:11:30.710 --> 01:11:33.590
which is based on all the ignition risks
01:11:33.590 --> 01:11:36.350
and not just based
on electrical facilities.
01:11:36.350 --> 01:11:37.460
On the Cal Fire map,
01:11:37.460 --> 01:11:39.770
we do have one area
within our service territory
01:11:39.770 --> 01:11:42.370
that is deemed higher
risk based on the conditions
01:11:42.370 --> 01:11:43.570
of that area.
01:11:43.570 --> 01:11:48.020
It's the small area in the red,
just Southwest of elk Grove,
01:11:48.020 --> 01:11:50.190
the area is a residential
neighborhood that contains
01:11:50.190 --> 01:11:52.760
about 100 homes and
they were built in the middle
01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:54.123
of a eucalyptus Grove.
01:11:55.200 --> 01:11:57.330
In the neighborhood, there's
a lack of defensible space
01:11:57.330 --> 01:11:58.750
from these trees.
01:11:58.750 --> 01:12:01.160
It's also filled with tall dry grass,
01:12:01.160 --> 01:12:03.430
there's limited routes in
and out of this neighborhood.
01:12:03.430 --> 01:12:05.660
And we do have
overhead facilities located
01:12:05.660 --> 01:12:07.180
within this neighborhood.
01:12:07.180 --> 01:12:09.380
You can also see that
all their service territory
01:12:09.380 --> 01:12:11.030
is outside of the high fire threat area.
01:12:11.030 --> 01:12:13.680
Again, the Eastern portion
of our service territory,
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.410
which is the state responsibility area,
01:12:15.410 --> 01:12:17.540
borders that high fire threat district.
01:12:17.540 --> 01:12:18.700
As we developed our plan,
01:12:18.700 --> 01:12:21.430
we have taken into consideration
the geographical risks
01:12:21.430 --> 01:12:23.420
within the UARP and the SRA
01:12:23.420 --> 01:12:25.140
that borders the high fire threat area,
01:12:25.140 --> 01:12:28.190
and then the eucalyptus Grove
that was deemed high hazard
01:12:28.190 --> 01:12:29.023
by Cal Fire.
01:12:29.023 --> 01:12:30.870
And we've prioritized
our mitigation efforts
01:12:30.870 --> 01:12:32.720
within those areas.
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:33.553
Next slide.
01:12:36.790 --> 01:12:38.660
Foundational to our mitigation efforts
01:12:38.660 --> 01:12:40.640
is our vegetation management program.
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:42.870
We're using LiDAR technology to augment
01:12:42.870 --> 01:12:45.540
our boots on the ground
of vegetation inspections,
01:12:45.540 --> 01:12:48.600
to identify trees that need
to be removed or tree work
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:50.010
that needs to be completed.
01:12:50.010 --> 01:12:50.860
We're using LiDAR,
01:12:50.860 --> 01:12:53.790
which is light detection
and raging technology
01:12:53.790 --> 01:12:56.500
to more accurately measure
the distance between our assets
01:12:56.500 --> 01:12:58.870
and vegetation and other objects.
01:12:58.870 --> 01:13:00.950
From the helicopter
during the LiDAR survey,
01:13:00.950 --> 01:13:05.320
there's about 300,000 to
500,000 laser pulses per second.
01:13:05.320 --> 01:13:09.020
And that reflection is
then captured by a sensor.
01:13:09.020 --> 01:13:10.830
The distances and
wavelengths are then used
01:13:10.830 --> 01:13:12.250
to create a 3D map,
01:13:12.250 --> 01:13:16.210
which is about six to eight
centimeters of accuracy.
01:13:16.210 --> 01:13:18.670
We do this for both the
distribution and the transmission
01:13:18.670 --> 01:13:21.630
facilities located within the
UARP and our lines located
01:13:21.630 --> 01:13:23.870
within the state responsibility area.
01:13:23.870 --> 01:13:26.360
Many of the locations in the
UARP are hard to get to this.
01:13:26.360 --> 01:13:28.510
So this really helps
with augmenting again,
01:13:28.510 --> 01:13:30.397
our vegetation management inspections
01:13:30.397 --> 01:13:31.763
and our planning efforts.
01:13:32.730 --> 01:13:33.563
Next slide.
01:13:38.593 --> 01:13:41.050
So this LiDAR mapping is completed
01:13:41.050 --> 01:13:43.270
during the lighter inspection process.
01:13:43.270 --> 01:13:45.310
The trees in red are detected growing.
01:13:45.310 --> 01:13:46.930
These detections are field verified
01:13:46.930 --> 01:13:48.250
by our veg management team
01:13:48.250 --> 01:13:49.840
to determine the final work needs,
01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:51.930
which is either pruning or removal.
01:13:51.930 --> 01:13:54.330
The images allows SMUD's
vegetation management team
01:13:54.330 --> 01:13:55.890
to make operational decisions
01:13:55.890 --> 01:13:57.773
and quickly identify work area.
01:13:59.320 --> 01:14:00.153
Next slide.
01:14:05.240 --> 01:14:08.080
The trees in yellow had been
identified as overstride trees
01:14:08.080 --> 01:14:10.470
or trees that are telling
us to strike their conductor
01:14:10.470 --> 01:14:11.670
if it were fall.
01:14:11.670 --> 01:14:13.570
We've done a lot of
outreach with the landowners
01:14:13.570 --> 01:14:16.100
to allow clearances beyond
our normal right of ways.
01:14:16.100 --> 01:14:17.520
This has been highly successful
01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.710
given the current wildfire environment.
01:14:19.710 --> 01:14:21.860
We've completed the
LiDAR vegetation sections
01:14:21.860 --> 01:14:24.450
each year since 2017 and are planning
01:14:24.450 --> 01:14:26.903
to complete this again in 2021.
01:14:28.480 --> 01:14:29.313
Next slide.
01:14:32.989 --> 01:14:35.060
So this is an image of some
of the work that was completed
01:14:35.060 --> 01:14:37.510
this past summer to show
the extent of our vegetation
01:14:37.510 --> 01:14:40.615
management program in
the high fire threat areas.
01:14:40.615 --> 01:14:42.015
We can go to the next slide.
01:14:44.930 --> 01:14:46.740
And this is the before
and after picture again.
01:14:46.740 --> 01:14:48.510
You can see on the left-hand side,
01:14:48.510 --> 01:14:50.220
there are trees within the right of ways
01:14:50.220 --> 01:14:51.940
that are potential grow ins.
01:14:51.940 --> 01:14:54.640
There's also potential
overstride trees as well.
01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:56.700
And then the picture on
the right is the after picture,
01:14:56.700 --> 01:14:59.620
which shows that these
trees have been removed.
01:14:59.620 --> 01:15:00.493
Next slide.
01:15:05.050 --> 01:15:06.650
The LiDAR imagery here was taken
01:15:06.650 --> 01:15:07.990
within our service territory
01:15:07.990 --> 01:15:10.270
within that state responsibility area.
01:15:10.270 --> 01:15:11.590
The video shows the grow in
01:15:11.590 --> 01:15:13.400
and the distance to
the three civil lines.
01:15:13.400 --> 01:15:15.070
And again, helps to quickly identify
01:15:15.070 --> 01:15:17.600
and prioritize the
vegetation management work
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:18.973
that needs to be completed.
01:15:20.860 --> 01:15:22.610
You can just get to the next slide.
01:15:27.190 --> 01:15:29.310
This slide is specific
to the eucalyptus Grove.
01:15:29.310 --> 01:15:32.210
Again, the eucalyptus Grove
is that an area that's located
01:15:32.210 --> 01:15:33.440
within our service territory
01:15:33.440 --> 01:15:35.650
that was deemed higher risk by Cal Fire
01:15:35.650 --> 01:15:37.690
and based on the density
and flammable nature
01:15:37.690 --> 01:15:39.430
of the trees within that area.
01:15:39.430 --> 01:15:40.950
On the left-hand side are the before
01:15:40.950 --> 01:15:42.920
and after vegetation management pictures
01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:44.850
of the eucalyptus Grove.
01:15:44.850 --> 01:15:45.810
Also in this area,
01:15:45.810 --> 01:15:47.530
we are working with our customers
01:15:47.530 --> 01:15:48.870
to gain additional clearances,
01:15:48.870 --> 01:15:50.970
similar to what we did
in with the landowners
01:15:50.970 --> 01:15:53.210
within the UARP to gain clearances
01:15:53.210 --> 01:15:54.520
beyond our normal Right of Ways.
01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:57.190
And to minimize the
potential of a fallen.
01:15:57.190 --> 01:15:59.050
On the right hand side of the slide,
01:15:59.050 --> 01:16:01.310
it shows the per
customer cost comparison
01:16:01.310 --> 01:16:02.610
for vegetation management work.
01:16:02.610 --> 01:16:06.700
And it compares the average
vegetation management cost
01:16:06.700 --> 01:16:08.810
per customer within eucalyptus Grove,
01:16:08.810 --> 01:16:13.330
which is shown in gray against
the average customer costs
01:16:14.240 --> 01:16:16.960
for customers that reside
outside of our outside
01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:17.820
of the eucalyptus Grove,
01:16:17.820 --> 01:16:19.720
but in the rest of
our service territory,
01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:21.030
which is shown in blue.
01:16:21.030 --> 01:16:22.710
And you can see that
we're spending a good deal,
01:16:22.710 --> 01:16:24.920
more per customer within
the eucalyptus Grove,
01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:27.410
but this is intentional
based on the characteristics
01:16:27.410 --> 01:16:28.463
of that area.
01:16:29.530 --> 01:16:30.413
Next slide.
01:16:33.550 --> 01:16:35.300
This is our splice assessment program,
01:16:35.300 --> 01:16:37.920
and splicing can
become a point of failure.
01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:40.000
The program is designed
to assess the integrity
01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.280
of our transmission conductor slices.
01:16:42.280 --> 01:16:44.160
The picture in the middle
shows the x-ray machine
01:16:44.160 --> 01:16:46.810
that is used to take
an image of the splice,
01:16:46.810 --> 01:16:48.610
inspectors and evaluate the splice image
01:16:48.610 --> 01:16:51.330
to determine the internal
condition of the splice.
01:16:51.330 --> 01:16:54.310
To identify splices that
need to be repaired or close
01:16:54.310 --> 01:16:56.260
to failure or need to be replaced.
01:16:56.260 --> 01:16:59.940
The image on the right
is an inline splice corrector
01:16:59.940 --> 01:17:02.540
that strengthens the
splice that when it's needed.
01:17:02.540 --> 01:17:06.010
And we started this process
in 2017 and we will complete all
01:17:06.010 --> 01:17:08.610
of the inspections of our
transmission slices in the UARP
01:17:08.610 --> 01:17:09.693
by the end this year.
01:17:11.300 --> 01:17:12.133
Next slide.
01:17:16.006 --> 01:17:17.390
The SMUD contracted with Kiewit
01:17:17.390 --> 01:17:21.450
to pilot the use of drones to
capture high resolution images
01:17:21.450 --> 01:17:23.430
of our transmission
assets that are located
01:17:23.430 --> 01:17:26.630
within the UARP to augment
our inspection processes.
01:17:26.630 --> 01:17:28.580
These are sample
images from another project
01:17:28.580 --> 01:17:33.460
that were taken about 30 feet
away from the energized lines.
01:17:33.460 --> 01:17:36.100
The image is from 100 mega pixel camera
01:17:36.100 --> 01:17:38.210
that's mounted on the top of a drone.
01:17:38.210 --> 01:17:40.080
On the computer, the
image can be zoomed in
01:17:40.080 --> 01:17:43.550
to identify loose or missing
Cotter pins and other hardware.
01:17:43.550 --> 01:17:46.920
You can also see the where
at different connection points
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:49.030
such as see hooks.
01:17:49.030 --> 01:17:50.510
Once the images are captured,
01:17:50.510 --> 01:17:54.040
they're process through an
artificial intelligence platform
01:17:54.040 --> 01:17:56.600
that is using image recognition software
01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:58.300
to identify defects.
01:17:58.300 --> 01:18:00.280
Since the AI platform is fairly new,
01:18:00.280 --> 01:18:03.170
we're also doing 100%
QA of all of the photos.
01:18:03.170 --> 01:18:06.440
We're using VOLT, which is
visual online lineman team.
01:18:06.440 --> 01:18:09.390
And defects that are
missed by the AI platform
01:18:09.390 --> 01:18:12.530
are then fed back into
the AI platform to help
01:18:12.530 --> 01:18:14.600
with the training of the application
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:16.850
and detecting additional defects.
01:18:16.850 --> 01:18:18.940
We just completed the
first phase of our pilot,
01:18:18.940 --> 01:18:22.110
which is about half of the
towers located within the UARP.
01:18:22.110 --> 01:18:23.630
The images are currently being processed
01:18:23.630 --> 01:18:24.920
and we'll have those results soon.
01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:29.920
And we plan to finish the
rest of the assets located
01:18:30.280 --> 01:18:32.580
within the UARP at the
beginning of next year.
01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:34.393
Thank you.
01:18:35.860 --> 01:18:37.763
Next slide, I think that's it.
01:18:42.400 --> 01:18:44.020
Wow.
01:18:44.020 --> 01:18:48.870
I have to admit some of the
graphics are downright cool.
01:18:48.870 --> 01:18:50.320
Thank you very much for that.
01:18:51.180 --> 01:18:52.013
Thank you.
01:18:52.970 --> 01:18:53.803
All right.
01:18:53.803 --> 01:18:58.290
What we are going to enter
into now is a kind of a Q and A
01:18:58.290 --> 01:19:01.980
portion between the
board and the presenters.
01:19:01.980 --> 01:19:04.980
So if we can ensure
that all of the presenters
01:19:04.980 --> 01:19:08.930
are connected and can hear the board,
01:19:08.930 --> 01:19:12.330
I'm gonna start since I can
only see four people at a time,
01:19:12.330 --> 01:19:15.840
I'm gonna start with
our (indistinct) Vice-chair,
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:17.033
Ms. Diane Fellman.
01:19:19.610 --> 01:19:20.800
Thanks dear Edwards.
01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:22.693
Can everyone hear me all right?
01:19:24.547 --> 01:19:25.380
Yeah, absolutely.
01:19:25.380 --> 01:19:27.543
I just want to thank everyone.
01:19:28.460 --> 01:19:29.293
Am I on audio?
01:19:29.293 --> 01:19:32.530
I'm having an epic
tech failure today, so-
01:19:32.530 --> 01:19:33.870
We can hear you.
01:19:33.870 --> 01:19:36.053
Bear with me, great, thanks Marcy.
01:19:37.360 --> 01:19:40.830
I wanna thank all the
panelists and since we're short
01:19:40.830 --> 01:19:43.760
on time and long on
questions, I'll just jump into mine.
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:47.010
And it's directed to
all of the participants
01:19:47.890 --> 01:19:52.890
because it was something
we noticed and actually I'll go to,
01:19:53.660 --> 01:19:55.480
I'd like Healdsburg to kick it off
01:19:55.480 --> 01:20:00.480
and then we can go to the
other POUs and the co-op.
01:20:02.040 --> 01:20:05.173
Healdsburg, in your WMP,
01:20:06.010 --> 01:20:08.883
we noticed that you
talked about how PG&Es,
01:20:09.794 --> 01:20:12.310
PSPS impacted you.
01:20:12.310 --> 01:20:17.310
And we also noticed
that in the other WMP,
01:20:17.340 --> 01:20:22.340
there was a discussion
of the utility specific PSPS
01:20:23.540 --> 01:20:25.720
for the publicly owned utilities,
01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:28.190
but really no discussion
01:20:28.190 --> 01:20:32.453
or very little discussion
of how the IOUs,
01:20:32.453 --> 01:20:35.280
PSPS would affect the service territory.
01:20:35.280 --> 01:20:36.790
So Healdsburg,
01:20:36.790 --> 01:20:40.070
could you please indicate
why you included that?
01:20:40.070 --> 01:20:45.070
And then perhaps just one
of the others could indicate,
01:20:45.370 --> 01:20:49.067
how you see that the IOU-PSPS discussion
01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:56.073
being important or the
importance of it in your WMP?
01:20:59.270 --> 01:21:01.730
So thank you for the question.
01:21:01.730 --> 01:21:04.587
We are transfusion dependent on PG&E.
01:21:04.587 --> 01:21:08.690
And so if PG&E decides to
shut down their transmission line,
01:21:08.690 --> 01:21:12.603
that would lose power
to our entire community.
01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:15.740
So it's not just areas of Tier 2
01:21:15.740 --> 01:21:18.380
that we would look at focusing
on, but the entire community.
01:21:18.380 --> 01:21:21.200
So all of our fire
stations, police, hospitals,
01:21:21.200 --> 01:21:23.940
care centers, everybody at that point
01:21:23.940 --> 01:21:26.160
loses power for the
duration of that event.
01:21:26.160 --> 01:21:29.090
So the challenge is
we have the obligation
01:21:29.090 --> 01:21:30.310
to notify our customers.
01:21:30.310 --> 01:21:33.613
PG&E doesn't have that
visibility to who our customers are,
01:21:33.613 --> 01:21:35.730
that in some senses they would see us
01:21:35.730 --> 01:21:38.200
as an individual transmission customer,
01:21:38.200 --> 01:21:40.317
not necessarily a community of 12,000.
01:21:40.317 --> 01:21:42.410
And certainly work with PG&E to try
01:21:42.410 --> 01:21:45.950
and help that understanding
over the past 12 months.
01:21:45.950 --> 01:21:47.730
But that's the challenge that we have
01:21:47.730 --> 01:21:50.270
is we have this obligation
to notify our customers
01:21:50.270 --> 01:21:52.960
of these pending PSPS events,
01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:56.380
without that collaboration
and upfront working with PG&E
01:21:56.380 --> 01:21:59.580
to understand what lines,
transmission lines are in scope
01:21:59.580 --> 01:22:02.730
or out of scope for
any particular event,
01:22:02.730 --> 01:22:05.583
it challenges us in our
planning processes.
01:22:06.730 --> 01:22:10.410
So that's why we have
that as one of the issues
01:22:10.410 --> 01:22:14.640
for our customers to be educated
about how the transmission
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.610
provides power to the city,
01:22:16.610 --> 01:22:18.680
even though the city's distributing
01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:20.653
that within our service territory.
01:22:22.210 --> 01:22:23.043
So thank you.
01:22:23.043 --> 01:22:25.215
So just because
there's a lot of questions,
01:22:25.215 --> 01:22:30.215
I would like Mr. Wilbur
from LADWP to respond.
01:22:32.200 --> 01:22:34.317
So can you hear me okay?
01:22:34.317 --> 01:22:35.810
I wanna make sure my sound is on.
01:22:35.810 --> 01:22:38.590
Okay, so kinda along the same lines.
01:22:38.590 --> 01:22:41.300
So we have our own generation,
we have our own transmission,
01:22:41.300 --> 01:22:45.980
so we're not as effected
by system-wise by the PSPS
01:22:45.980 --> 01:22:47.150
from the IOUs,
01:22:48.200 --> 01:22:50.560
but where we are
effective is more or affected
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:52.910
is more facility-wise.
01:22:52.910 --> 01:22:57.530
So we have communication
systems that are fed by Edison,
01:22:57.530 --> 01:23:00.880
our water pumping stations
that are fed by Edison.
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:03.900
And so we get a lot of
notifications from them
01:23:03.900 --> 01:23:05.840
when they're doing a PSPS
that we're gonna lose power
01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:07.620
to those facilities.
01:23:07.620 --> 01:23:10.310
But essentially it's more
like we're a regular customer
01:23:10.310 --> 01:23:11.860
where we lose our facility,
01:23:11.860 --> 01:23:15.383
our transmission is not
very much affected by that.
01:23:19.010 --> 01:23:19.843
All right.
01:23:22.350 --> 01:23:24.710
For now, Diane, does that
conclude your questions?
01:23:24.710 --> 01:23:25.574
I'm good.
01:23:25.574 --> 01:23:28.240
I do wanna remind the board
01:23:28.240 --> 01:23:30.930
that we do have the ability to reach out
01:23:30.930 --> 01:23:34.900
also to the POUs outside of the workshop
01:23:34.900 --> 01:23:37.340
if we are not able to
get to all the questions.
01:23:37.340 --> 01:23:40.253
I'd like to move to board
member, Christopher Porter.
01:23:41.740 --> 01:23:42.640
Thank you chair.
01:23:43.525 --> 01:23:48.525
My question is directed
at Anaheim Public Utilities
01:23:48.750 --> 01:23:53.320
to Janet Lonneker
about the park substation.
01:23:53.320 --> 01:23:56.540
I'm very interested in
the planning elements
01:23:56.540 --> 01:23:58.160
that went into identifying
01:23:59.360 --> 01:24:04.360
even before this
became a statewide issue
01:24:07.110 --> 01:24:08.780
that that would have been an actionable,
01:24:08.780 --> 01:24:11.850
sustainable prudent action to build it.
01:24:11.850 --> 01:24:13.270
And what went into it?
01:24:13.270 --> 01:24:16.300
How did you actually plan
01:24:16.300 --> 01:24:20.770
to capitalize capitalization forward?
01:24:20.770 --> 01:24:23.510
What was the thought process?
01:24:23.510 --> 01:24:25.260
Sure, thanks for the question.
01:24:25.260 --> 01:24:28.230
And yes, as I said,
01:24:28.230 --> 01:24:31.270
our substation is unique
since it was the first
01:24:31.270 --> 01:24:32.320
in the United States.
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:37.177
There was a lot of
drivers for Park Substation
01:24:37.177 --> 01:24:39.900
and the reason it was built underground.
01:24:39.900 --> 01:24:42.700
Some of those drivers or aesthetics,
01:24:42.700 --> 01:24:46.070
some of those drivers were
for hardening the system
01:24:46.070 --> 01:24:48.430
and the way we approach that
01:24:48.430 --> 01:24:51.920
was really very much community-oriented.
01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:54.230
We did what falls like a shred
01:24:54.230 --> 01:24:56.530
with the community to get input.
01:24:56.530 --> 01:24:59.050
We needed the station to be located
01:24:59.050 --> 01:25:01.120
because it was a low center,
01:25:01.120 --> 01:25:03.047
but where we were gonna locate it
01:25:03.047 --> 01:25:07.180
was really an input we
received from our stakeholders
01:25:07.180 --> 01:25:08.800
and the community.
01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:13.220
And what were some other
needs that the community needed
01:25:13.220 --> 01:25:17.450
in addition to just the
reliability of the substation?
01:25:17.450 --> 01:25:20.620
And that's where the
park came into play.
01:25:20.620 --> 01:25:24.410
It's an area that is
surrounded by neighborhoods
01:25:25.554 --> 01:25:27.190
by residential.
01:25:27.190 --> 01:25:29.600
So there was going to be a noise factor
01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:32.280
that was intacted here.
01:25:32.280 --> 01:25:36.110
There was also very much family area.
01:25:36.110 --> 01:25:39.790
And so therefore there
was a need to have a park
01:25:39.790 --> 01:25:41.170
in the area.
01:25:41.170 --> 01:25:44.260
So we put all these elements together
01:25:44.260 --> 01:25:49.260
to come up with a
really a win-win solution
01:25:49.440 --> 01:25:52.730
for the utility, for the community,
01:25:52.730 --> 01:25:55.700
and on top of that, for
hardening the system.
01:25:55.700 --> 01:26:00.310
And because it is in the
East Anaheim Wildfire area,
01:26:00.310 --> 01:26:05.310
we have the added benefit
of it being a wildfire too.
01:26:09.450 --> 01:26:12.420
And that that's really
how it came about.
01:26:12.420 --> 01:26:14.657
As far as the design,
01:26:14.657 --> 01:26:19.150
it was a design build
project and we were involved
01:26:19.150 --> 01:26:21.470
in it from the start.
01:26:21.470 --> 01:26:25.250
And of course, Marcie
was at the helm at that time.
01:26:25.250 --> 01:26:28.130
And so she was able
to see the entire project
01:26:28.130 --> 01:26:29.203
come to fruition.
01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:35.530
But I think the main point
here is we did get input
01:26:35.530 --> 01:26:40.530
from the community on what
was needed and stack that on top
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.150
of what our need was from the utility
01:26:43.150 --> 01:26:45.513
in a reliability perspective.
01:26:46.540 --> 01:26:49.940
We have other substations in Anaheim
01:26:49.940 --> 01:26:52.190
where we did similar fashion,
01:26:52.190 --> 01:26:56.860
getting a community input and
a couple of those substations,
01:26:56.860 --> 01:26:59.900
our Harbor Substation,
and our Anaheim Substation,
01:26:59.900 --> 01:27:03.110
both built after Park
Substation really reflect
01:27:03.110 --> 01:27:05.640
the architecture of the area.
01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:10.253
And that again was so that we
could enhance the community.
01:27:11.210 --> 01:27:13.050
And so it wouldn't look like
01:27:14.048 --> 01:27:15.860
an industrial looking substation
01:27:15.860 --> 01:27:19.713
that it would reflect the area
surrounding the community.
01:27:20.689 --> 01:27:23.439
(water dripping)
01:27:31.320 --> 01:27:32.420
Thank you very much, Janet.
01:27:32.420 --> 01:27:35.070
Chris, do you have another short one?
01:27:35.070 --> 01:27:36.690
No, I'm done.
01:27:36.690 --> 01:27:37.523
Thank you.
01:27:38.550 --> 01:27:40.190
Okay, thank you very much.
01:27:40.190 --> 01:27:41.430
And thank you, Janet.
01:27:41.430 --> 01:27:43.493
Moving to board member Block.
01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:48.100
Hi, can you hear me?
01:27:49.782 --> 01:27:50.910
Yes, can.
01:27:50.910 --> 01:27:51.870
Great, okay.
01:27:51.870 --> 01:27:53.860
I have a theme question
01:27:53.860 --> 01:27:56.730
since I know we don't
have tons of times.
01:27:56.730 --> 01:27:58.140
My theme question,
01:27:58.140 --> 01:28:00.750
which has a bunch of short specifics
01:28:00.750 --> 01:28:02.570
for different service search phrases,
01:28:02.570 --> 01:28:05.780
but the things that I was
really excited to hear about
01:28:05.780 --> 01:28:07.270
and wanna learn more.
01:28:07.270 --> 01:28:12.130
I mean, the way I view
the POUs in general
01:28:12.130 --> 01:28:14.180
is that they've got some flexibility
01:28:14.180 --> 01:28:16.300
to explore different
ways that they manage
01:28:16.300 --> 01:28:18.973
their service territory that other POUs
01:28:18.973 --> 01:28:21.800
and the IOUs can learn from.
01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:26.800
So I guess my first question
would be to Surprise Valley.
01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:32.772
You spoke of the GIS data
and collaborations that you use
01:28:32.772 --> 01:28:37.330
to work with the forest
service and Cal Fire.
01:28:37.330 --> 01:28:39.740
Can you tell us a little bit
more about how you go about
01:28:39.740 --> 01:28:42.690
that process and what your
timeframes are when you do that?
01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:49.480
So typically when we
have a wildfire breakout
01:28:49.480 --> 01:28:51.750
in our service territory,
01:28:51.750 --> 01:28:54.511
we have a very friendly
relationship with a lot
01:28:54.511 --> 01:28:58.920
of the local members of
Cal Fire Forest Service.
01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:01.130
I mean, they can
pick up their cell phone
01:29:01.130 --> 01:29:03.460
and call me directly and I
can do the same for them.
01:29:03.460 --> 01:29:05.590
It's just nice living in
this smaller community
01:29:05.590 --> 01:29:07.610
that we know everybody
01:29:07.610 --> 01:29:09.720
and everybody is just a phone call away.
01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:13.810
So when a fire breaks
out in a certain area,
01:29:13.810 --> 01:29:18.810
I can jump on our GIS
mapping, hit the through Esri
01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:23.650
and I can pull a certain
area of our service location
01:29:23.650 --> 01:29:25.950
and create a shape file.
01:29:25.950 --> 01:29:30.600
And what I usually do is
when the fire season starts out,
01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:35.180
I will put our overhead
distribution transmission lines,
01:29:35.180 --> 01:29:38.070
our poles, where our consumers are,
01:29:38.070 --> 01:29:40.363
all that information is in that GIS.
01:29:41.450 --> 01:29:44.560
I'll save it on a couple
of different thumb drives,
01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:47.210
and then I will actually
drive and hand deliver it
01:29:47.210 --> 01:29:51.253
to the different agency, so
they have that ready to go.
01:29:52.200 --> 01:29:54.640
In case the fire happens
to jump overnight
01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:56.270
and I'm not available at a phone call,
01:29:56.270 --> 01:29:58.833
they have that ready to go.
01:30:00.670 --> 01:30:01.503
That's really great.
01:30:01.503 --> 01:30:06.030
And I appreciate the
smallness of the community,
01:30:06.030 --> 01:30:08.633
making that sort of an
easy manual process.
01:30:09.490 --> 01:30:12.970
The CPUC is pulling together
a data schema and structure
01:30:12.970 --> 01:30:17.970
for doing something at a
bigger scale for the IOUs.
01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:20.207
So I think it would be really great
01:30:20.207 --> 01:30:23.080
to talk with you offline
about how you do that
01:30:23.080 --> 01:30:27.010
and ways that we can show how others
01:30:27.010 --> 01:30:29.170
are already doing that sort of work.
01:30:29.170 --> 01:30:30.743
So thank you for that.
01:30:33.730 --> 01:30:36.853
And so I'm assuming I
should be going quickly, right?
01:30:37.957 --> 01:30:40.670
If you could, but I don't
wanna rush you, go ahead.
01:30:40.670 --> 01:30:41.890
Okay, I don't mind.
(laughing)
01:30:41.890 --> 01:30:44.630
So thank you very much Surprise Valley.
01:30:44.630 --> 01:30:48.270
So Turlock, I love the
fact that you said you look
01:30:48.270 --> 01:30:50.380
at the effectiveness of your treatments,
01:30:50.380 --> 01:30:53.393
have you formalized any of that process?
01:30:55.470 --> 01:30:56.303
Yes, we have.
01:30:56.303 --> 01:30:59.610
As we've gone through and
starting to evaluate the efforts
01:30:59.610 --> 01:31:01.240
that we did in 19,
01:31:01.240 --> 01:31:02.780
we've definitely seen some effectiveness
01:31:02.780 --> 01:31:06.070
on the tree trimming and the
removal of certain equipment.
01:31:06.070 --> 01:31:08.780
So obviously over time
as we get the data in,
01:31:08.780 --> 01:31:10.340
we'll be able to better
analyze what it is,
01:31:10.340 --> 01:31:12.630
but we're starting to get
a little bit more information
01:31:12.630 --> 01:31:15.843
due to say alien contacts
and those particular areas
01:31:15.843 --> 01:31:17.893
that we can add into our matrices.
01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:22.393
Great.
01:31:26.170 --> 01:31:28.210
I think I might have a
thousand questions after that,
01:31:28.210 --> 01:31:29.380
so I'll leave it at that.
01:31:29.380 --> 01:31:31.130
And I might reach out to you later.
01:31:33.470 --> 01:31:38.470
And then I'd like to ask
SMUD, I think that you were...
01:31:42.293 --> 01:31:44.340
The two things I found
particularly interesting
01:31:44.340 --> 01:31:46.880
in your presentation
were really identifying
01:31:47.768 --> 01:31:51.010
a tree species issues and having a basis
01:31:51.010 --> 01:31:53.863
for that in your management.
01:31:55.150 --> 01:31:58.080
And some other POUs
make reference to that
01:31:58.080 --> 01:31:59.610
in their mitigation plans,
01:31:59.610 --> 01:32:01.890
but we haven't seen a whole lot of that.
01:32:01.890 --> 01:32:05.360
So there's a lot of
strong basis in research
01:32:05.360 --> 01:32:08.320
about how there's different
flammability and risk issues
01:32:08.320 --> 01:32:09.153
for different species,
01:32:09.153 --> 01:32:11.260
but it hasn't been
really well identified.
01:32:11.260 --> 01:32:13.073
So I appreciate that a lot.
01:32:14.798 --> 01:32:17.950
So maybe you can just touch on that,
01:32:17.950 --> 01:32:20.540
how you go about identifying beyond
01:32:20.540 --> 01:32:22.910
the one that eucalyptus Grove.
01:32:22.910 --> 01:32:24.660
And then you talked about doing,
01:32:24.660 --> 01:32:27.663
using AI on your UAV imagery.
01:32:29.370 --> 01:32:32.560
Are there ways that you've
learned from that process
01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:36.460
and are there opportunities
you think for sharing
01:32:36.460 --> 01:32:39.303
that kind of AI work
with other utilities?
01:32:41.310 --> 01:32:42.143
Absolutely.
01:32:42.143 --> 01:32:45.490
So on the identity, sorry.
Go ahead.
01:32:45.490 --> 01:32:47.530
On the identifying
of the tree species,
01:32:47.530 --> 01:32:50.620
we do have arborists that work at SMUD.
01:32:50.620 --> 01:32:53.270
So that's part of the planning
process when we're doing
01:32:53.270 --> 01:32:56.270
our vegetation
inspections ahead of time.
01:32:56.270 --> 01:33:00.003
So they do a lot of work to
identify which (indistinct) are,
01:33:01.868 --> 01:33:03.907
or have more risk,
I'm involved with them.
01:33:03.907 --> 01:33:07.120
And I can get you in
contact with our manager
01:33:07.120 --> 01:33:08.790
within vegetation management,
01:33:08.790 --> 01:33:11.700
if you have additional
questions around that as well.
01:33:11.700 --> 01:33:13.050
For the AIPS,
01:33:13.050 --> 01:33:15.560
I think there is absolutely
lessons learned there.
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:19.640
We don't have the
results of that work yet.
01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:22.200
We just completed just a few weeks ago
01:33:22.200 --> 01:33:23.870
the first drone flights.
01:33:23.870 --> 01:33:26.500
And so the images are still
being processed right now.
01:33:26.500 --> 01:33:29.060
So we're looking to see
what types of results we get.
01:33:29.060 --> 01:33:31.250
Again right now we're
looking at just augmenting
01:33:31.250 --> 01:33:35.990
our inspection processes
at this point in time,
01:33:35.990 --> 01:33:38.500
but then trying to determine
based on the results
01:33:38.500 --> 01:33:42.430
that we see, how often we
wanna use this technology.
01:33:42.430 --> 01:33:43.263
That's really great.
01:33:43.263 --> 01:33:45.080
I think a lot of people
are trying to discover ways
01:33:45.080 --> 01:33:46.290
that they can use the technology.
01:33:46.290 --> 01:33:48.960
A lot of it is proprietary
and vendor-based,
01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:52.250
and I think there's some way
we could probably orchestrate
01:33:52.250 --> 01:33:54.400
the way people are sharing
and learning that technology
01:33:54.400 --> 01:33:57.020
so that people aren't reinventing
the wheel over and over.
01:33:57.020 --> 01:33:58.980
Plus there's a lot of
science behind that
01:33:58.980 --> 01:34:01.660
that can also be leveraged.
01:34:01.660 --> 01:34:03.729
So thank you very much.
01:34:03.729 --> 01:34:04.562
Thank you.
01:34:04.562 --> 01:34:07.283
I'll leave it at their
Chair Edwards for now.
01:34:08.160 --> 01:34:10.007
All right, we will facilitate
your outreach to them,
01:34:10.007 --> 01:34:12.110
you reach on your specific questions,
01:34:12.110 --> 01:34:13.910
so we'll make sure we get them answered.
01:34:13.910 --> 01:34:15.550
Thank you on board member Block.
01:34:15.550 --> 01:34:17.143
Moving to board member Mader.
01:34:19.200 --> 01:34:20.540
Thank you, Chair Edwards.
01:34:20.540 --> 01:34:24.070
First, I wanna say how
impressive the work
01:34:24.070 --> 01:34:27.170
that most all of the POUs,
01:34:27.170 --> 01:34:30.340
but in particular, the POUs
that are here today was,
01:34:30.340 --> 01:34:32.300
it was very impressive.
01:34:32.300 --> 01:34:33.560
I'm gonna try and keep my questions
01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:35.310
and comments very short.
01:34:35.310 --> 01:34:38.770
First off for Healdsburg, Mr. Crowley,
01:34:38.770 --> 01:34:42.450
what was the decision
regarding lightning arresters
01:34:42.450 --> 01:34:44.760
whether or not to remove
them from your facilities
01:34:44.760 --> 01:34:47.220
that are in the high
fire threat district area?
01:34:47.220 --> 01:34:50.930
So we discussed removing them.
01:34:50.930 --> 01:34:54.307
And what we did is we actually
found a certified lightening
01:34:54.307 --> 01:34:55.817
arrestor for the area.
01:34:55.817 --> 01:34:57.700
And so we're changing everything
01:34:57.700 --> 01:35:00.350
over to the compliant
lightening arresters
01:35:00.350 --> 01:35:01.510
rather than removing them.
01:35:01.510 --> 01:35:05.340
I just wonder personally
and professionally
01:35:05.340 --> 01:35:07.140
that if you remove
those lightening arresters
01:35:07.140 --> 01:35:09.730
are just creating bigger hazard.
01:35:09.730 --> 01:35:11.990
And so we actually found
something that was certified
01:35:11.990 --> 01:35:14.040
as compliant for a fire area,
01:35:14.040 --> 01:35:16.350
and we purchased those
and we're in the process
01:35:16.350 --> 01:35:17.650
of getting them installed.
01:35:18.869 --> 01:35:19.702
That's great, yeah.
01:35:19.702 --> 01:35:22.310
`Cause you've gotta balance,
the reduction in the risk
01:35:22.310 --> 01:35:27.210
of a fire start with potentially
damaging a large amount
01:35:27.210 --> 01:35:29.490
of our own infacility, right?
01:35:29.490 --> 01:35:30.323
Exactly.
01:35:32.190 --> 01:35:33.390
For SMUD (indistinct).
01:35:36.463 --> 01:35:39.570
So SMUD's plan was our fire season
01:35:39.570 --> 01:35:41.740
is going until October 1st.
01:35:41.740 --> 01:35:46.730
I think that we can see just
from like up until like a week
01:35:46.730 --> 01:35:50.750
ago that climate change
is kinda doing a number
01:35:50.750 --> 01:35:52.950
on when fire season ends.
01:35:52.950 --> 01:35:56.810
Is there any consideration
to moving that date
01:35:58.057 --> 01:36:01.170
so that you stay on
the fire season setting
01:36:01.170 --> 01:36:04.330
when all the evidence around
us shows that (indistinct)
01:36:04.330 --> 01:36:05.683
might be best?
01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:08.330
Absolutely, that's
a great question.
01:36:08.330 --> 01:36:12.490
So we did just update our
wildfire mitigation plan for 2021.
01:36:12.490 --> 01:36:15.360
And we did update the
language around wildfire season
01:36:15.360 --> 01:36:17.930
to be consistent with Cal Fire's ruling
01:36:17.930 --> 01:36:20.800
of when fire season actually ends.
01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:24.640
So we'll base it on when we
receive the first set of rains
01:36:24.640 --> 01:36:28.743
that help with not having such driving.
01:36:30.070 --> 01:36:30.903
Yes.
01:36:33.390 --> 01:36:34.430
Great.
01:36:34.430 --> 01:36:38.320
I wanted to call out that you
got specific attainment dates
01:36:38.320 --> 01:36:41.240
on the projects that you
were doing in your plan.
01:36:41.240 --> 01:36:46.240
That was very valuable, so
that in years future we can go
01:36:46.390 --> 01:36:49.560
and look and see how the
things are being accomplished.
01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:53.340
When I saw one of
those particular projects
01:36:53.340 --> 01:36:58.230
was the elimination of
expulsion fuses in your four kV
01:36:58.230 --> 01:37:00.150
in your high fire disc area,
01:37:00.150 --> 01:37:03.927
you are still looking at
lighting arresters in those areas.
01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:07.250
We are Looking at
lightening arresters
01:37:07.250 --> 01:37:08.140
as well within that.
01:37:08.140 --> 01:37:10.220
I think there's Cal Fire exempt,
01:37:10.220 --> 01:37:11.277
lightening arresters as well.
01:37:11.277 --> 01:37:14.250
And we're looking at
changing those out too.
01:37:14.250 --> 01:37:15.750
Great.
01:37:15.750 --> 01:37:18.660
I'm gonna truncate all
my questions to one more
01:37:18.660 --> 01:37:22.227
or rather your comment on TID's plan.
01:37:22.227 --> 01:37:26.960
And I just want to commend
TID for looking at the specific
01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:29.310
geography of their territory
01:37:29.310 --> 01:37:31.130
in the Western side of their territory,
01:37:31.130 --> 01:37:33.950
you actually look at
the slope of the ground.
01:37:33.950 --> 01:37:37.670
And how that can possibly
contribute to the speed and spread
01:37:37.670 --> 01:37:40.380
and enhance the risk of a wildfire start
01:37:40.380 --> 01:37:42.110
in those particular areas.
01:37:42.110 --> 01:37:45.920
I think it goes towards
conflict that the board
01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:47.080
has been recommending,
01:37:47.080 --> 01:37:50.300
they're trying to quantify
risk on topography,
01:37:50.300 --> 01:37:51.820
and I wanna commend that work,
01:37:51.820 --> 01:37:55.980
it seem unique in all
the plans that I reviewed.
01:37:55.980 --> 01:37:58.670
And look forward to
developing that further
01:37:58.670 --> 01:38:01.140
to be able to provide a risk profile
01:38:01.140 --> 01:38:04.860
that could help all the
utilities better understand
01:38:05.710 --> 01:38:09.000
if a fire starts in their
area, in that specific area,
01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:11.310
what the potential consequences are,
01:38:11.310 --> 01:38:14.293
so it can inform where
to prioritize mitigation.
01:38:15.976 --> 01:38:17.770
Thanks so much.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
01:38:17.770 --> 01:38:20.090
And just to spin off
of what just happened,
01:38:20.090 --> 01:38:23.950
the SCU Lightening Complex
Fire was very beneficial
01:38:23.950 --> 01:38:25.873
to understand the slopes of that area
01:38:25.873 --> 01:38:27.930
when we were contending
with of how quickly
01:38:27.930 --> 01:38:30.750
that fire was progressing,
so thank you for that.
01:38:30.750 --> 01:38:31.583
I appreciate it.
01:38:33.070 --> 01:38:35.800
Very nice, thank you
board member Mader.
01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:37.470
Moving to board member Syphard.
01:38:42.240 --> 01:38:43.663
Hi, yes thank you.
01:38:44.570 --> 01:38:47.360
Yeah, I just wanna
say I really appreciated
01:38:47.360 --> 01:38:50.280
all the presentations, I learned a lot.
01:38:50.280 --> 01:38:53.100
I could probably ask a
whole bunch of questions,
01:38:53.100 --> 01:38:57.190
but I will keep to two short
questions in terms of time
01:38:58.270 --> 01:39:02.870
that also center around a
theme, which is mapping.
01:39:02.870 --> 01:39:06.310
I think it's impressive
that Turlock's considered,
01:39:06.310 --> 01:39:07.210
I know another,
01:39:07.210 --> 01:39:11.800
a lot of other POUs considered
not only the CPUs see maps,
01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:15.080
but also the Cal Fire
maps and some other maps.
01:39:15.080 --> 01:39:18.240
And so I was just curious
when you were comparing
01:39:18.240 --> 01:39:19.563
the two different maps,
01:39:21.150 --> 01:39:24.810
did you see much of a difference
in the way the delineation
01:39:24.810 --> 01:39:28.653
was on the landscape and
what were those differences?
01:39:30.167 --> 01:39:32.830
In as what extent is the
different types of maps
01:39:32.830 --> 01:39:35.523
actually carve out different areas?
01:39:37.660 --> 01:39:40.570
Yeah, I can speak on
that, this is Joe Gildan, TID.
01:39:40.570 --> 01:39:42.040
When we made the delineation,
01:39:42.040 --> 01:39:44.410
the topography and the
area were pretty much
01:39:44.410 --> 01:39:46.620
essential the same for our area.
01:39:46.620 --> 01:39:49.170
We had to do like kinda
a risk base analysis
01:39:49.170 --> 01:39:51.897
of those proposed locations.
01:39:51.897 --> 01:39:55.930
And if we were to expand
on our wildfire territory
01:39:55.930 --> 01:39:57.620
our fire territory,
01:39:57.620 --> 01:39:59.600
I would provide a little
bit more of a safety
01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:01.440
for our servers, for our customer.
01:40:01.440 --> 01:40:03.490
So as for that,
01:40:03.490 --> 01:40:05.410
we didn't make that
risk based assessment
01:40:05.410 --> 01:40:10.140
of increasing our territory
for identifying fire zones
01:40:10.140 --> 01:40:13.600
was prudent for us to do
based on what we've had
01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:15.313
and analyze based on all the Ezri maps
01:40:15.313 --> 01:40:19.180
that we've overlaid
on our service territory.
01:40:19.180 --> 01:40:21.040
But so, yes, it was
more so being prudent
01:40:21.040 --> 01:40:25.270
about the ability for us
to protect our customers
01:40:25.270 --> 01:40:27.503
against any wildfire issues.
01:40:28.403 --> 01:40:33.403
Okay, so yours was more
specific to your customer base
01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:37.578
and Cal Fire's was more
specific to the geography, right?
01:40:37.578 --> 01:40:39.030
Correct.
Is that the short answer?
01:40:39.030 --> 01:40:40.190
Yeah, okay.
01:40:40.190 --> 01:40:43.550
And then also just because
I am trying to get a sense
01:40:43.550 --> 01:40:48.550
of how these different
zones are being defined,
01:40:48.550 --> 01:40:52.603
I was curious for Surprise Valley,
01:40:54.700 --> 01:40:57.990
not a whole lot of
your land was in Tier 2.
01:40:57.990 --> 01:41:02.900
And I was just curious
what the land cover type was
01:41:02.900 --> 01:41:07.293
in the area that did not
make it into the Tier 2 zone.
01:41:11.490 --> 01:41:15.013
So everything up here,
it's kind of like a high desert,
01:41:15.950 --> 01:41:19.390
it's just low grass and sagebrush.
01:41:19.390 --> 01:41:21.650
Everything that we designated is Tier 2
01:41:21.650 --> 01:41:26.650
is kind of a mountainous
Juniper tree kind of infested area.
01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:31.300
That was pretty much,
it's not super sick,
01:41:31.300 --> 01:41:33.270
so we didn't have
anything that we classified
01:41:33.270 --> 01:41:34.873
as a Tier 3 risk.
01:41:36.030 --> 01:41:39.350
We worked hand-in-hand with
a representative from Cal Fire
01:41:39.350 --> 01:41:42.730
that had lived in the
area and knew it very well.
01:41:42.730 --> 01:41:45.580
So he came in and
worked with me to designate
01:41:45.580 --> 01:41:50.580
what was Cal Fire, their
description of Tier 2 and Tier 1.
01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:55.733
So it was nice having him
here to work through that project.
01:41:56.572 --> 01:41:58.440
Yeah, interesting, okay.
01:41:58.440 --> 01:42:01.990
So it was largely sort
of a vegetation type thing
01:42:01.990 --> 01:42:05.510
with the low grass and Juniper.
01:42:05.510 --> 01:42:07.172
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
01:42:07.172 --> 01:42:08.160
Thank you.
01:42:08.160 --> 01:42:09.680
Thank you.
01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:11.563
Thank you board member Syphard.
01:42:12.510 --> 01:42:13.713
Board member Armstrong.
01:42:15.330 --> 01:42:16.230
Yup.
01:42:16.230 --> 01:42:17.683
Thanks Chair Edwards.
01:42:19.580 --> 01:42:21.760
So first I wanna commend
all the presenters here
01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:25.660
because there's something
in every one of your plans
01:42:25.660 --> 01:42:26.900
that actually stood out,
01:42:26.900 --> 01:42:31.900
that made it rise above
that either parts of the plan
01:42:32.770 --> 01:42:33.603
or the whole plan.
01:42:33.603 --> 01:42:35.770
So appreciate the work
and some of the explanation
01:42:35.770 --> 01:42:38.290
that was put into some
of these presentations.
01:42:38.290 --> 01:42:40.600
And so I did have two questions,
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:42.960
but one of them was
answered with board member
01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:47.960
Block's question with
regards to artificial intelligence.
01:42:48.610 --> 01:42:50.733
So the only other
question right now, I mean,
01:42:50.733 --> 01:42:51.580
I have a bunch of them,
01:42:51.580 --> 01:42:54.800
but the one that kinda stood
out and comes back up to me
01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:58.820
quite a bit is the, for Mr. Wilbur
01:42:58.820 --> 01:43:00.980
with the Department of Water and Power.
01:43:00.980 --> 01:43:05.720
In your presentation, you
made a comment about DWP
01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:10.090
doesn't do PSPS events,
that they're more reactive.
01:43:10.090 --> 01:43:14.020
And I just trying to
get a feel for that.
01:43:14.020 --> 01:43:16.270
I understand why the reactive
01:43:16.270 --> 01:43:20.120
and the issues behind
shutting off power,
01:43:20.120 --> 01:43:22.790
other safety things
that go along with that.
01:43:22.790 --> 01:43:24.523
But just kind of curious,
01:43:26.292 --> 01:43:31.120
in DWP's system, can
everything be switched around
01:43:31.120 --> 01:43:32.287
or is it just...
01:43:33.179 --> 01:43:36.940
Just a little more expansion
on that kind of the reactive
01:43:36.940 --> 01:43:41.140
remark kind of just destroyed.
01:43:41.140 --> 01:43:42.950
Let me go ahead and
clarify that a little bit,
01:43:42.950 --> 01:43:46.480
because what I mean
that we don't do the PSPS
01:43:46.480 --> 01:43:48.340
is we do it situationally.
01:43:48.340 --> 01:43:52.330
So if it's a red flag
day and and the winds
01:43:52.330 --> 01:43:55.470
are at 50 miles an hour,
01:43:55.470 --> 01:44:00.470
and we're not gonna
arbitrarily shut off at that stage,
01:44:00.970 --> 01:44:03.150
if it goes beyond what's reasonable.
01:44:03.150 --> 01:44:06.950
So we'll take each incident
and evaluate it separately.
01:44:06.950 --> 01:44:08.520
So we don't have that same criteria
01:44:08.520 --> 01:44:09.700
that all right, it's a red flag day,
01:44:09.700 --> 01:44:12.060
we're gonna automatically shut down.
01:44:12.060 --> 01:44:16.370
But we we'll do as if winds
are going up over 90 miles
01:44:16.370 --> 01:44:18.650
an hour, well, then that's
gonna trigger us to go ahead
01:44:18.650 --> 01:44:22.150
and be reactive to
that particular situation.
01:44:22.150 --> 01:44:24.170
If we have massive mudslides,
01:44:24.170 --> 01:44:26.420
then we are gonna shut
off based on that situation.
01:44:26.420 --> 01:44:27.810
If we have an earthquake,
01:44:27.810 --> 01:44:30.100
we're gonna shut off
based on that situation.
01:44:30.100 --> 01:44:31.663
So maybe I was a
little hesitant in saying
01:44:31.663 --> 01:44:35.570
that we don't do PSPS specifically.
01:44:35.570 --> 01:44:37.010
We just don't do it the same way
01:44:37.010 --> 01:44:39.430
that most of the IOUs are doing now,
01:44:39.430 --> 01:44:42.680
where we have this criteria
where we automatically shut.
01:44:42.680 --> 01:44:44.510
We're more reactive in identifying
01:44:44.510 --> 01:44:46.540
what the specific situation is.
01:44:46.540 --> 01:44:49.300
So if we know the winds are gonna go up,
01:44:49.300 --> 01:44:51.220
then we're gonna be
ready to do something
01:44:51.220 --> 01:44:53.500
to mitigate the hazard as needed,
01:44:53.500 --> 01:44:56.090
it's just not that same trigger point.
01:44:56.090 --> 01:44:56.923
Okay, well thank you.
01:44:56.923 --> 01:44:59.142
I would add board
member Armstrong,
01:44:59.142 --> 01:45:02.350
if you would allow a
moment of kibitzing.
01:45:02.350 --> 01:45:05.200
Part of the difference is that DWP,
01:45:05.200 --> 01:45:07.420
despite being the largest municipality
01:45:07.420 --> 01:45:10.540
only has a 468 miles
square service territory.
01:45:10.540 --> 01:45:13.720
And in fact, their
territory with respect
01:45:13.720 --> 01:45:17.100
to the extreme fire
areas is even smaller.
01:45:17.100 --> 01:45:18.860
And you compare and contrast that
01:45:18.860 --> 01:45:23.860
with the 25,000 square
miles that the IOUs are,
01:45:24.230 --> 01:45:28.610
it's much easier for DWP to
keep eyes on what's happening
01:45:28.610 --> 01:45:29.853
within their territory.
01:45:30.806 --> 01:45:32.060
And I appreciate that.
01:45:32.060 --> 01:45:35.603
Again, it was just, I guess
the reactive comment
01:45:35.603 --> 01:45:39.430
kind of was like,
we're reactive to what?
01:45:39.430 --> 01:45:42.520
That was what I was trying to get at.
01:45:42.520 --> 01:45:43.940
The other part
of our situation too
01:45:43.940 --> 01:45:46.470
is we're able to
sectionalize off those areas
01:45:46.470 --> 01:45:47.960
very effectively.
01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:51.570
So when we do our
a block, our reclosure,
01:45:51.570 --> 01:45:53.840
the protocol that we
do in preparation for,
01:45:53.840 --> 01:45:55.500
or on a red flag day,
01:45:55.500 --> 01:45:58.720
we're able to rarely
sectionalize off that area
01:45:58.720 --> 01:45:59.940
so we can block our reclosure.
01:45:59.940 --> 01:46:02.830
So we can really take a
close look at what's going on
01:46:02.830 --> 01:46:04.520
when it's going on.
01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:06.640
So we're able to have
that luxury, like Marcie said,
01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:09.043
of having that small Tier 2 area,
01:46:09.980 --> 01:46:11.490
where we can focus our attention on
01:46:11.490 --> 01:46:14.010
when there is the risk.
01:46:14.010 --> 01:46:14.843
Great.
01:46:14.843 --> 01:46:15.676
Thank you, Brian.
01:46:15.676 --> 01:46:17.940
Thank you board member Armstrong.
01:46:17.940 --> 01:46:19.730
I'll do a little forecasting for you.
01:46:19.730 --> 01:46:22.780
We're about to enter
into a stretch break.
01:46:22.780 --> 01:46:27.100
It will go until about
five minutes after 3:00.
01:46:27.100 --> 01:46:28.560
I will remind the board members
01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:31.550
to please mute your future phones
01:46:31.550 --> 01:46:33.070
when you take that stretch break.
01:46:33.070 --> 01:46:36.730
When we return the
meeting will now be conducted
01:46:36.730 --> 01:46:38.420
by board member Porter.
01:46:38.420 --> 01:46:41.280
He'll be leading the
board through a discussion
01:46:41.280 --> 01:46:44.433
with respect to the
draft guidance document.
01:46:45.770 --> 01:46:50.240
It is very important for the
POUs as well as the co-ops
01:46:50.240 --> 01:46:52.890
to listen to the discussion
between board members.
01:46:52.890 --> 01:46:55.340
And if you hear this conceptions,
01:46:55.340 --> 01:46:57.430
or if you hear information
01:46:57.430 --> 01:47:01.470
that you feel you have
a different take on,
01:47:01.470 --> 01:47:04.370
this is why a lot of this is in draft.
01:47:04.370 --> 01:47:07.360
We are still in progress
of soliciting your input.
01:47:07.360 --> 01:47:12.310
We will not make an action
on that draft guidance document
01:47:12.310 --> 01:47:14.890
until sometime in December.
01:47:14.890 --> 01:47:19.390
So with that, let's see.
01:47:19.390 --> 01:47:21.220
Jamie, is there anything
else we need to tell people
01:47:21.220 --> 01:47:22.470
before we take the break?
01:47:24.180 --> 01:47:25.260
Nope.
01:47:25.260 --> 01:47:27.283
Please mute your phones.
01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:30.670
And if you want, you
can turn off your video,
01:47:30.670 --> 01:47:32.530
make sure to turn it back on.
01:47:32.530 --> 01:47:34.820
Don't log out because
we might have issues
01:47:34.820 --> 01:47:36.910
unless you're having technical issues.
01:47:36.910 --> 01:47:37.830
So yeah, mute your phone
01:47:37.830 --> 01:47:41.800
and we'll see you back
here right at 3:05, 3:05.
01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:43.440
And stretch break.
01:47:43.440 --> 01:47:46.243
Get the blood moving head to toe,
01:47:47.270 --> 01:47:49.060
arms and down, stand up,
01:47:49.060 --> 01:47:51.850
grab some food, grab some water
01:47:51.850 --> 01:47:55.350
and we'll be back at 3:05.
01:47:55.350 --> 01:47:58.410
And please don't forget
to mute your phone.
01:47:58.410 --> 01:48:00.720
Things happen during
breaks, and we hear you
01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:01.760
and It'll be weird.
01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:04.130
So please mute your phones.
01:48:04.130 --> 01:48:06.943
Thank you very much,
we'll see you at 3:05.
01:48:10.660 --> 01:48:14.370
All right, as we start another
module of this workshop,
01:48:14.370 --> 01:48:18.170
I wanna thank Chair Edwards
01:48:18.170 --> 01:48:21.210
and also my fellow board
member for the opportunity
01:48:21.210 --> 01:48:23.670
to facilitate an open dialogue
01:48:23.670 --> 01:48:26.943
about the proposed draft document.
01:48:29.200 --> 01:48:32.400
I need to note that this
is our first opportunity
01:48:32.400 --> 01:48:34.210
to discuss as a whole body
01:48:34.210 --> 01:48:36.930
what insights we derive from the onerous
01:48:36.930 --> 01:48:41.163
and meticulous examination
of the plan submitted last July.
01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:46.837
So due to the Bagley-Keene Act,
01:48:48.510 --> 01:48:50.420
we as members were broken up
01:48:50.420 --> 01:48:53.460
into small review review groups.
01:48:53.460 --> 01:48:55.760
And in those small BK groups,
01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:58.570
we met on a limited
scope to discuss findings
01:48:58.570 --> 01:48:59.823
and recommendations.
01:49:01.700 --> 01:49:03.603
So as we start this discussion,
01:49:04.710 --> 01:49:06.850
I would like to on behalf of the board,
01:49:06.850 --> 01:49:11.180
convey an appreciation of
the POUs for their diligence
01:49:11.180 --> 01:49:15.120
and willingness to
participate in the process.
01:49:15.120 --> 01:49:17.450
Understanding that
this is our first attempt
01:49:17.450 --> 01:49:22.450
at fulfilling statutory obligations
spelled out in AB 1054,
01:49:22.930 --> 01:49:27.930
along with compliance with
Public Utilities Code 8387.
01:49:28.500 --> 01:49:33.500
The public owned utilities
and electric cooperative
01:49:33.790 --> 01:49:36.020
play a significant role
01:49:36.020 --> 01:49:40.260
and our fight against
wildfire mitigation.
01:49:40.260 --> 01:49:45.260
They span 50 submittals
from the head of the state
01:49:45.810 --> 01:49:46.810
to the (indistinct).
01:49:47.977 --> 01:49:49.970
We appreciate their efforts
01:49:50.840 --> 01:49:53.383
that went into developing these WMPs.
01:49:54.360 --> 01:49:56.220
And the board is
honored to have reviewed
01:49:56.220 --> 01:49:59.380
the first wildfire risk mitigation plan
01:49:59.380 --> 01:50:04.380
and looks forward to more
extensive collaboration.
01:50:06.610 --> 01:50:08.520
This has been and will continue
01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:11.253
to be a learning experience
for us all, definitely.
01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:14.770
As I said before,
01:50:14.770 --> 01:50:18.680
we were broken up into
smaller review groups,
01:50:18.680 --> 01:50:23.430
and this is our first opportunity
to share with one another
01:50:23.430 --> 01:50:26.440
our thoughts and comments.
01:50:26.440 --> 01:50:31.440
And have a clear discussion
on what each group
01:50:31.610 --> 01:50:35.283
found while examining the WMPs.
01:50:37.070 --> 01:50:38.280
But before I start there,
01:50:38.280 --> 01:50:42.350
I'd like to turn first to our
Vice-chair Fellman and ask,
01:50:42.350 --> 01:50:46.800
how did the board approach
the 2020 WMP review process
01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:50.893
under AB 1054
statutory responsibilities?
01:50:53.420 --> 01:50:55.183
Thank you board member Porter.
01:50:56.230 --> 01:51:00.010
As with the industrial and utilities,
01:51:00.010 --> 01:51:05.010
we had to create the review
protocols and processes.
01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:10.520
We were appointed as a
board just about a year ago,
01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:14.470
and we had our first meeting in January.
01:51:14.470 --> 01:51:17.077
So we're new at this.
01:51:17.077 --> 01:51:19.940
And we again I wanna
echo the appreciation
01:51:19.940 --> 01:51:24.940
for the collaboration and
patience in figuring this out.
01:51:25.310 --> 01:51:29.600
We really wanted to
approach this in a way,
01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:34.600
so our product would be
both specific as well as useful
01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:43.880
in terms of guiding the
2021 recommendation.
01:51:44.140 --> 01:51:49.140
For the 2020 WMPs, from
the publicly owned utilities
01:51:49.240 --> 01:51:50.993
and the electric cooperatives,
01:51:52.700 --> 01:51:54.870
many of you relied on a template,
01:51:54.870 --> 01:51:59.690
which was a great start at
how to standardize information
01:51:59.690 --> 01:52:02.160
and yet make it utility specific,
01:52:02.160 --> 01:52:07.160
so we could understand
what each of you was doing.
01:52:07.220 --> 01:52:12.220
We also created categories
or a category setting template
01:52:14.910 --> 01:52:17.453
so we could look at what your size was?
01:52:18.460 --> 01:52:19.820
Where you were located?
01:52:19.820 --> 01:52:21.850
How many customers you had?
01:52:21.850 --> 01:52:25.070
And we've provided that
template in our suggested
01:52:25.070 --> 01:52:29.860
recommendations as a
format to use going forward
01:52:29.860 --> 01:52:34.860
to help take out some of
the descriptive language
01:52:36.080 --> 01:52:37.423
that was necessary.
01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:43.080
I think that what we are
really looking forward to
01:52:43.080 --> 01:52:46.790
is having this advisory,
01:52:46.790 --> 01:52:51.320
this general advisory opinion
in our recommendations served
01:52:51.320 --> 01:52:54.033
to lay the foundation for 2021.
01:52:55.346 --> 01:52:58.780
We see this as a beginning
and not an end of that process.
01:52:58.780 --> 01:53:03.610
And we will be working with
you in the next few months
01:53:03.610 --> 01:53:06.250
to come up with the 2021 templates.
01:53:06.250 --> 01:53:10.413
And we can talk more about
that later in this workshop.
01:53:12.280 --> 01:53:15.200
With regards to the specific elements
01:53:15.200 --> 01:53:18.850
as board member Porter indicated,
01:53:18.850 --> 01:53:21.280
each of us was appointed to the board
01:53:21.280 --> 01:53:23.870
with our own expertise in the sector.
01:53:23.870 --> 01:53:26.760
And we were divided into
our Bagley-Keene groups.
01:53:26.760 --> 01:53:29.960
Each Bagley-Keene group viewed,
01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:31.570
with its subject matter experts,
01:53:31.570 --> 01:53:34.100
reviewed those sections of the WMP
01:53:34.100 --> 01:53:36.280
and developed the recommendations.
01:53:36.280 --> 01:53:39.690
And we came up with
five general categories,
01:53:39.690 --> 01:53:43.520
consolidating all the
statutory requirements
01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:47.630
and we will go next to discuss
each of those categories.
01:53:47.630 --> 01:53:51.330
So I'll turn it back to you, Mr. Porter.
01:53:51.330 --> 01:53:53.120
Thank you Vice-chair Fellman.
01:53:53.120 --> 01:53:55.248
As Vice-chair Fellman mentioned,
01:53:55.248 --> 01:53:59.750
we divided them up into
five pointed categories
01:53:59.750 --> 01:54:04.750
of customer impact, the
grid hardening aspect,
01:54:07.120 --> 01:54:12.120
veggie management, also
looking at more data collection
01:54:13.650 --> 01:54:15.900
and how that was utilized.
01:54:15.900 --> 01:54:20.780
Also the risk assessment
and the WMP structure,
01:54:20.780 --> 01:54:23.757
which I think is more than
five, but I think I added one.
01:54:25.700 --> 01:54:29.633
So in that, starting that conversation,
01:54:31.220 --> 01:54:34.450
customer impacts,
recommendations here focused
01:54:34.450 --> 01:54:39.450
on how POUs are impacted
by IOUs investor-owned utilities,
01:54:39.670 --> 01:54:41.670
public safety power shutoffs,
01:54:41.670 --> 01:54:45.583
and how POUs notified
customers about such emergencies.
01:54:46.670 --> 01:54:49.470
I wanna start with again, in that BK,
01:54:49.470 --> 01:54:53.550
I was with Vice-chair
Fellman and I like to ask
01:54:53.550 --> 01:54:54.853
and continue to ask her,
01:54:56.040 --> 01:55:00.647
how did the POUs and
co-ops interact with the IOUs
01:55:02.500 --> 01:55:05.780
regarding the PSPS event?
01:55:05.780 --> 01:55:09.523
What did you glean
from the WMPs overall?
01:55:11.650 --> 01:55:12.590
So thank you.
01:55:12.590 --> 01:55:17.590
As I indicated in the Q
and A period we just had,
01:55:17.950 --> 01:55:21.270
that was something our group,
01:55:21.270 --> 01:55:24.790
our BK group was interested in
01:55:24.790 --> 01:55:29.790
and we need visibility.
01:55:30.550 --> 01:55:35.550
We want visibility in the next
WMPs on how the information
01:55:37.900 --> 01:55:42.060
from the IOUs for PSPS
events is communicated.
01:55:42.060 --> 01:55:45.787
So that is something
that's going to be a point
01:55:48.330 --> 01:55:51.770
that we watch for, because we did not,
01:55:51.770 --> 01:55:55.260
it wasn't transparent
to us or apparent to us.
01:55:55.260 --> 01:55:58.520
It wasn't transparent in
the WMPs or apparent to us
01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:03.160
how exactly the PSPS has affected
01:56:03.160 --> 01:56:08.100
each of the POUs and
electric cooperatives.
01:56:08.100 --> 01:56:10.850
So the explanations
from the representative,
01:56:10.850 --> 01:56:12.250
from Healdsburg,
01:56:12.250 --> 01:56:15.543
as well as remotely
DWP was very helpful.
01:56:16.410 --> 01:56:19.500
And we wanna make
sure that we understand
01:56:19.500 --> 01:56:24.500
how the customers of the POU
are being notified of the PSPS.
01:56:25.530 --> 01:56:30.530
Is it only through the IOUs
or is there a separate channel
01:56:30.740 --> 01:56:32.710
of notification through the POUs
01:56:34.439 --> 01:56:38.470
and that will also spread
into how the emergency
01:56:41.090 --> 01:56:42.860
communications are made
01:56:42.860 --> 01:56:44.820
and whether there's a distinction there.
01:56:44.820 --> 01:56:48.600
So that's some of the
information that we were looking for
01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:53.600
and would like to see
better explained in 2021.
01:56:56.540 --> 01:56:57.700
Thank you.
01:56:57.700 --> 01:57:00.020
Also think piggybacking on that,
01:57:00.020 --> 01:57:04.330
what I saw that was important
to me is understanding
01:57:04.330 --> 01:57:09.330
that POU is dependent on
the IOUs interconnection.
01:57:10.720 --> 01:57:13.410
How much of the anticipated load
01:57:13.410 --> 01:57:15.603
does that inner tie pick up?
01:57:17.700 --> 01:57:21.630
Understanding that could lead
us to ask you more questions
01:57:21.630 --> 01:57:26.440
about do they have plans
for temporary generation?
01:57:26.440 --> 01:57:31.250
Or is there a way that
they could sectionalize?
01:57:31.250 --> 01:57:36.090
If they do possess generation,
01:57:36.090 --> 01:57:37.593
whether it's limited or not?
01:57:39.290 --> 01:57:43.640
But definitely what type of
communication, as you mentioned,
01:57:43.640 --> 01:57:48.640
what type of communication
line do they have with the IOUs?
01:57:49.140 --> 01:57:54.097
Are they capable of creating
some type of additional
01:57:58.210 --> 01:58:02.140
source of load protection?
01:58:02.140 --> 01:58:07.140
Is there a way for them to
keep whatever essential services
01:58:09.030 --> 01:58:14.030
that they have going and
can the IOU help with that?
01:58:17.650 --> 01:58:19.090
If we saw more of that,
01:58:19.090 --> 01:58:21.460
I think we can get a
better understanding
01:58:21.460 --> 01:58:26.460
of exactly how dependent
across the state POUs are
01:58:27.670 --> 01:58:31.920
on the inner ties or the
interconnections with the IOUs.
01:58:35.620 --> 01:58:37.193
Oh, and if I may,
01:58:39.040 --> 01:58:43.650
another dimension to this
is that all the representatives
01:58:43.650 --> 01:58:45.350
on the panel today mentioned,
01:58:45.350 --> 01:58:47.880
I believe mentioned
or alluded to the fact
01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:51.160
that the automatic recloser function
01:58:51.160 --> 01:58:54.470
is no longer necessarily
part of your protocol
01:58:54.470 --> 01:58:56.530
during wildfire season.
01:58:56.530 --> 01:59:01.300
So that was something that's
come to you as a practice.
01:59:01.300 --> 01:59:06.300
And you explained in the
WMP how the manual resetting
01:59:07.330 --> 01:59:09.510
and visual inspection was going on.
01:59:09.510 --> 01:59:14.510
So this is part of that
just making sure we see
01:59:16.350 --> 01:59:21.350
what the process is to
turn the power back on,
01:59:21.820 --> 01:59:24.850
how are you effecting critical needs
01:59:24.850 --> 01:59:28.370
for your vulnerable communities?
01:59:28.370 --> 01:59:31.950
And also, I believe that we'll find
01:59:31.950 --> 01:59:33.590
that there's a close relationship
01:59:33.590 --> 01:59:37.300
between your elected
governments in the municipalities
01:59:37.300 --> 01:59:40.550
and the publicly owned
utilities and cooperatives.
01:59:40.550 --> 01:59:44.520
But if something emerges
where there's a requirement
01:59:44.520 --> 01:59:48.010
for our separate communication,
we'd like to see that.
01:59:48.010 --> 01:59:49.133
So thank you.
01:59:51.340 --> 01:59:54.830
Okay, let's move on to
grid recommendations,
01:59:54.830 --> 01:59:57.223
which was one of the areas of focus.
02:00:01.015 --> 02:00:06.015
That BK group was Chair Edwards,
myself, board member Mader
02:00:08.300 --> 02:00:10.193
and board member Armstrong.
02:00:11.040 --> 02:00:15.160
And so the first question I
have is how should utilities
02:00:15.160 --> 02:00:18.750
with lower risks contribute
to wildfire mitigation
02:00:18.750 --> 02:00:22.500
such as utilities that
are fully urban locked
02:00:22.500 --> 02:00:27.500
or not in any Tier 1, two or
three high fire district zones,
02:00:34.860 --> 02:00:37.703
how should they
contribute with those plans?
02:00:40.761 --> 02:00:43.920
A lot of this discussion
originally started
02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:46.410
in that as you read
through some of these
02:00:46.410 --> 02:00:49.580
and you found utilities didn't
met those characteristics
02:00:49.580 --> 02:00:53.110
of being completely urban
lock or 100% undergrounded,
02:00:53.110 --> 02:00:57.350
we were looking for ways
to be able to streamline
02:00:57.350 --> 02:01:00.500
their reporting requirements
02:01:00.500 --> 02:01:02.160
because when the
state broke the statute,
02:01:02.160 --> 02:01:06.950
what they wanted was useful
and meaningful information.
02:01:06.950 --> 02:01:10.900
So then it took us
onto this role of well,
02:01:10.900 --> 02:01:14.790
are there areas that those
who don't have to spend a lot
02:01:14.790 --> 02:01:18.890
of time\money could be contributory
02:01:18.890 --> 02:01:19.900
to the broader effort?
02:01:19.900 --> 02:01:22.520
And one of them is, it's not new,
02:01:22.520 --> 02:01:24.510
but it's gotten a lot
of focuses last year,
02:01:24.510 --> 02:01:28.260
which are a new term
is black Swan events.
02:01:28.260 --> 02:01:31.410
And it's those type of
events where say you're
02:01:31.410 --> 02:01:34.200
in the middle of a flood.
02:01:34.200 --> 02:01:36.430
And I wish I had written
down the explanation,
02:01:36.430 --> 02:01:40.030
but if there was one out in back East
02:01:40.030 --> 02:01:42.060
where they had a
tremendous amount of trouble
02:01:42.060 --> 02:01:44.470
and for those among
you that are utility people,
02:01:44.470 --> 02:01:47.220
they were routinely experiencing,
02:01:47.220 --> 02:01:49.410
like N minus two conditions.
02:01:49.410 --> 02:01:53.700
The second condition wasn't
related to the electric supply,
02:01:53.700 --> 02:01:55.260
it was related to a broad issue
02:01:55.260 --> 02:01:58.660
that impacted the utility's
ability to move around
02:01:58.660 --> 02:02:00.273
and serve customers.
02:02:01.563 --> 02:02:04.916
So we were kicking
around whether the utilities
02:02:04.916 --> 02:02:08.950
who are lucky enough
to have a greater degree
02:02:08.950 --> 02:02:13.950
of fire protection might be
able to assist in that analysis.
02:02:14.820 --> 02:02:17.120
We did talk about resource sharing,
02:02:17.120 --> 02:02:19.250
but there is a lot that takes place
02:02:19.250 --> 02:02:21.973
in the municipal community,
mutual aid agreements,
02:02:22.970 --> 02:02:24.820
shared equipments.
02:02:24.820 --> 02:02:28.090
We've all shuttled transformers
at one time or another
02:02:28.090 --> 02:02:30.003
to somebody who really needed them.
02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:32.630
But I think there is
a lack of familiarity
02:02:32.630 --> 02:02:36.143
if any of those agreements
exist between the POUs
02:02:36.143 --> 02:02:37.920
and the IOUs,
02:02:37.920 --> 02:02:42.745
I think that information
would be very useful.
02:02:42.745 --> 02:02:43.578
And finally,
02:02:43.578 --> 02:02:45.880
the kind of information that
evaluates grid hardening,
02:02:45.880 --> 02:02:47.520
I forget what utility put it up there,
02:02:47.520 --> 02:02:50.900
but saying you have this many of these,
02:02:50.900 --> 02:02:54.240
you plan on doing this many next year.
02:02:54.240 --> 02:02:56.910
And then it's based on your assessment
02:02:56.910 --> 02:03:00.750
where you found these four
problems and you prioritize them.
02:03:00.750 --> 02:03:04.830
It just helps them to keep
track of the fire mitigation
02:03:04.830 --> 02:03:08.440
is being continued
to be made a priority.
02:03:08.440 --> 02:03:09.830
As an example,
02:03:09.830 --> 02:03:11.820
many of you are familiar
with the phenomenon,
02:03:11.820 --> 02:03:13.880
you will sell a rate increase to council
02:03:13.880 --> 02:03:15.780
and you'll fight things you're
gonna do with the money.
02:03:15.780 --> 02:03:17.870
And then something else happens,
02:03:17.870 --> 02:03:20.750
during the year, that
money is redirected.
02:03:20.750 --> 02:03:22.660
That's okay, but it's good to know
02:03:22.660 --> 02:03:23.920
that that's what happened.
02:03:23.920 --> 02:03:27.150
And it was the fire determinations
02:03:27.150 --> 02:03:28.990
that fell into a lower priority.
02:03:28.990 --> 02:03:32.090
It would allow us then
to ask those questions.
02:03:32.090 --> 02:03:34.830
Would either board
members, Porter, Mader,
02:03:34.830 --> 02:03:37.290
or Armstrong have
anything else with respect
02:03:37.290 --> 02:03:38.390
to the grid hardening?
02:03:43.410 --> 02:03:44.910
I can chime in a little bit.
02:03:45.950 --> 02:03:49.883
So what I was looking at
when I did this is like, I kind of,
02:03:51.350 --> 02:03:53.250
I'm sorry about that, John-
02:03:53.250 --> 02:03:54.683
I was on mute, it's okay.
02:03:55.570 --> 02:03:57.500
So what I was looking at is,
02:03:57.500 --> 02:04:00.420
the utility as I reviewed their plans
02:04:00.420 --> 02:04:01.860
in the section of grid hardening,
02:04:01.860 --> 02:04:06.860
it was more of what the
research that they did
02:04:07.136 --> 02:04:07.969
to make sure that they weren't
02:04:07.969 --> 02:04:09.430
in a high fire threat district
02:04:11.510 --> 02:04:15.150
and what the actual risk was
versus the mitigation measures.
02:04:15.150 --> 02:04:16.430
So if there was very little risk
02:04:16.430 --> 02:04:17.780
and very little mitigation measures,
02:04:17.780 --> 02:04:20.070
I mean, we noted that were following
02:04:20.906 --> 02:04:23.943
those general order
requirements for hardening.
02:04:24.822 --> 02:04:26.910
And there were some that
actually were in those areas
02:04:26.910 --> 02:04:29.390
that didn't have high risks.
02:04:29.390 --> 02:04:33.430
And they were still looking
at harding measures.
02:04:33.430 --> 02:04:36.510
I think as a board,
what we're tasked to do
02:04:36.510 --> 02:04:41.510
is address the utilities
caused wildfires.
02:04:43.980 --> 02:04:45.660
And if there is no risk,
02:04:45.660 --> 02:04:50.660
I didn't put a whole lot into
assessing what they have,
02:04:53.090 --> 02:04:56.440
I kind of always look at the
Anaheim model a little bit,
02:04:56.440 --> 02:05:01.440
because you figure 98% of
their system is undergrounded,
02:05:02.240 --> 02:05:03.780
very low risk.
02:05:03.780 --> 02:05:05.860
But that 2% of their system,
02:05:05.860 --> 02:05:07.550
they were able to identify that
02:05:08.520 --> 02:05:10.680
and what type of mitigation measures
02:05:10.680 --> 02:05:13.090
they were using currently
02:05:13.090 --> 02:05:15.450
and what their plans
were for the future.
02:05:15.450 --> 02:05:16.960
Those were some of the
things I was looking at,
02:05:16.960 --> 02:05:20.310
and that's a small scale
of it because it's only 2%.
02:05:20.310 --> 02:05:22.257
You go to Healdsburg where there's 50%.
02:05:22.257 --> 02:05:25.350
And being able to see
what assets they have
02:05:25.350 --> 02:05:27.540
in those high fire threat districts?
02:05:27.540 --> 02:05:31.034
And what the exposure is?
02:05:31.034 --> 02:05:32.580
And what their mitigation measures were?
02:05:32.580 --> 02:05:37.083
So that's what I used as I
was evaluating each plan.
02:05:39.380 --> 02:05:41.430
So when I look at these plans
02:05:41.430 --> 02:05:43.973
and I looked at the
risk quantification efforts
02:05:43.973 --> 02:05:45.210
that were done,
02:05:45.210 --> 02:05:48.960
in many of these plans
noted that their assets
02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:53.303
were underground or mostly underground.
02:05:53.303 --> 02:05:54.870
I look at them in two buckets.
02:05:54.870 --> 02:05:56.180
One the areas that were
02:05:56.180 --> 02:05:58.420
in the high fire threat district area
02:05:58.420 --> 02:05:59.483
and the assets that were not
02:05:59.483 --> 02:06:01.230
in the high fire threat district area.
02:06:01.230 --> 02:06:05.000
And I think that we've
what we've experienced
02:06:05.000 --> 02:06:10.000
these last four years is that
fires had started for reasons
02:06:10.550 --> 02:06:13.230
that were not anticipated at the time
02:06:13.230 --> 02:06:15.480
by the various utilities,
02:06:15.480 --> 02:06:18.130
either there'll be investor
owned or utility owned.
02:06:18.130 --> 02:06:22.840
And while I think it is legitimate
for one of these wildfire
02:06:22.840 --> 02:06:25.750
mitigation plans to assert that none
02:06:25.750 --> 02:06:28.360
of the service territory
02:06:28.360 --> 02:06:30.843
in a high fire threat district area.
02:06:31.764 --> 02:06:36.335
And it is potentially taking
up resources that we could use
02:06:36.335 --> 02:06:38.670
to help to look at plans
that are looking at assets
02:06:38.670 --> 02:06:41.450
in the high fire threat district areas.
02:06:41.450 --> 02:06:46.400
So I echo Chairman Edward's
thoughts about maybe we have a,
02:06:46.400 --> 02:06:51.060
we quantify buckets risk,
02:06:51.060 --> 02:06:54.310
where there are different
types of reporting.
02:06:54.310 --> 02:06:59.210
I still think that the basic
assumptions that CPCU maps
02:06:59.210 --> 02:07:04.100
are accurate, or that they
quantify the risk accurately,
02:07:04.100 --> 02:07:07.333
that every single entity
should not assume that,
02:07:07.333 --> 02:07:10.460
that there should be
some questioning nature.
02:07:10.460 --> 02:07:12.623
That there'd be some sort of challenge,
02:07:14.020 --> 02:07:16.780
personnel that are assigned
to challenge the assumptions.
02:07:16.780 --> 02:07:20.960
And in order to try to
anticipate something
02:07:20.960 --> 02:07:24.950
that would lead to a black Swan event.
02:07:24.950 --> 02:07:29.180
So that for all assets,
02:07:29.180 --> 02:07:31.060
I think that they should be looked at.
02:07:31.060 --> 02:07:33.580
Now for instance,
02:07:33.580 --> 02:07:36.900
utilities that had their
underground facilities
02:07:36.900 --> 02:07:39.453
in high fire threat disagree areas,
02:07:39.453 --> 02:07:43.076
it is a very low likelihood
that there could be a fire start
02:07:43.076 --> 02:07:47.550
as a result of the utility
assets in those areas.
02:07:47.550 --> 02:07:50.170
Yes, I can see that absolutely.
02:07:50.170 --> 02:07:52.680
But it's still possible
for instance, for a utility,
02:07:52.680 --> 02:07:57.130
for a truck to back over a
pad mounted transformer.
02:07:57.130 --> 02:08:00.403
And if it is particular
topography at that particular area,
02:08:01.638 --> 02:08:04.030
it could ignite in a high
fire threat district area
02:08:04.030 --> 02:08:09.030
and pose a threat to the community.
02:08:09.080 --> 02:08:10.940
Those are the kinds of things that like,
02:08:10.940 --> 02:08:14.340
even we should just not
just assume there's no risk
02:08:14.340 --> 02:08:15.540
because it's underground.
02:08:15.540 --> 02:08:16.820
It's very low likelihood,
02:08:16.820 --> 02:08:18.740
but if the consequence is high enough,
02:08:18.740 --> 02:08:21.970
we should spend some
time trying to identify those.
02:08:21.970 --> 02:08:23.807
I don't think that that's
really the job of this board.
02:08:23.807 --> 02:08:26.270
I think that the
recommendation is gonna be
02:08:26.270 --> 02:08:31.270
from this board that
the utilities themselves
02:08:33.480 --> 02:08:34.900
engage in that effort.
02:08:34.900 --> 02:08:39.900
And we would like to see
some analysis of that effort
02:08:40.130 --> 02:08:44.143
on the part of the utilities
in future wildfire mitigation.
02:08:46.380 --> 02:08:51.320
Yeah, and I wanna echo
exactly what board member Mader
02:08:51.320 --> 02:08:53.363
is talking about, I have two points.
02:08:54.270 --> 02:08:58.730
One is it impressed me
that TID took an assessment
02:08:58.730 --> 02:09:00.920
of their risk profile.
02:09:00.920 --> 02:09:05.290
And they elevated that to a higher level
02:09:05.290 --> 02:09:08.510
and created their mitigation plans,
02:09:08.510 --> 02:09:10.060
tracked it all the way through.
02:09:12.100 --> 02:09:15.963
There were more than a
dozen utilities that were 95
02:09:17.180 --> 02:09:20.193
or more percent underground facilities.
02:09:21.810 --> 02:09:26.330
Corona had three
overhead facilities or pieces
02:09:26.330 --> 02:09:28.450
of infrastructure that
they have to deal with.
02:09:28.450 --> 02:09:31.100
And it is the inner
tie or inner connection
02:09:31.100 --> 02:09:33.283
with Southern California Edison.
02:09:34.420 --> 02:09:36.890
However, they did understand
02:09:36.890 --> 02:09:41.103
that they had several above
ground transformation assets
02:09:43.230 --> 02:09:48.230
that could be at risk
in the high fire zones
02:09:49.590 --> 02:09:51.020
where they had residential
02:09:51.020 --> 02:09:54.210
or they were actually
feeding the pump station.
02:09:54.210 --> 02:09:58.380
So looking at that,
we would like to see,
02:09:58.380 --> 02:10:01.570
or at least I would like
to see all the utilities,
02:10:01.570 --> 02:10:06.070
even that dozen or more that
we would consider urban locked
02:10:06.070 --> 02:10:11.070
or having slim to no
chance of impacting the state
02:10:12.400 --> 02:10:17.400
with a wildfire, such as
Alameda, Port of Stockton,
02:10:17.560 --> 02:10:21.930
Port of Oakland, who ultimately the risk
02:10:21.930 --> 02:10:26.930
of igniting a wildfire is slim to none.
02:10:27.740 --> 02:10:30.263
However, they would ignite a structure.
02:10:31.600 --> 02:10:35.410
But expanding their risk
profile and then creating,
02:10:35.410 --> 02:10:39.180
mitigating programs
and strategies there.
02:10:39.180 --> 02:10:43.513
The other is talking
about resource sharing.
02:10:45.310 --> 02:10:49.070
Even those dozen or more utilities
02:10:49.070 --> 02:10:53.583
are still part of the community
of the municipal utilities.
02:10:54.450 --> 02:10:57.760
And looking at how they
share those resources,
02:10:57.760 --> 02:11:00.700
whether it's manpower,
whether it's equipment,
02:11:00.700 --> 02:11:01.820
whether it's data,
02:11:01.820 --> 02:11:05.973
whether it's lessons
learned or whether it's money,
02:11:06.820 --> 02:11:08.660
that is something that we would like to,
02:11:08.660 --> 02:11:12.980
or at least I would like
to see in the next WMPs.
02:11:19.850 --> 02:11:23.843
So did you have something to say, John?
02:11:25.960 --> 02:11:27.183
John you're from mute.
02:11:30.379 --> 02:11:31.627
Get into myself again.
02:11:31.627 --> 02:11:32.640
(laughing)
02:11:32.640 --> 02:11:35.073
Okay, but to be specific.
02:11:36.470 --> 02:11:40.010
My specific recommendation
is that the study
02:11:40.010 --> 02:11:42.059
of these black Swan of is the potential
02:11:42.059 --> 02:11:47.059
for a low probability
high consequence event.
02:11:49.210 --> 02:11:51.441
And trying to find where those are.
02:11:51.441 --> 02:11:53.270
I think they really want
to see the onus put
02:11:53.270 --> 02:11:55.870
on the utilities themselves
02:11:55.870 --> 02:11:59.720
because they're the people
that know their territory.
02:11:59.720 --> 02:12:02.520
And just, they should just
set up their organizations
02:12:02.520 --> 02:12:05.060
to challenge their
assumptions all the time,
02:12:05.060 --> 02:12:07.185
I think that we all need to do that.
02:12:07.185 --> 02:12:10.230
The potential consequences are so high,
02:12:10.230 --> 02:12:12.230
I think it's worth some time to do that.
02:12:13.880 --> 02:12:15.160
Good, yeah.
02:12:15.160 --> 02:12:16.183
All right.
02:12:16.183 --> 02:12:19.750
I'd like to move on to a
veg management category.
02:12:19.750 --> 02:12:22.990
This includes descriptions
of treatment plan,
02:12:22.990 --> 02:12:26.240
scientific qualifications,
safety compliance
02:12:26.240 --> 02:12:28.270
and innovative approaches.
02:12:28.270 --> 02:12:31.253
This BK was board member Armstrong,
02:12:32.360 --> 02:12:35.523
board member Syphard
and board member Block.
02:12:36.480 --> 02:12:37.940
I like to start it off with,
02:12:37.940 --> 02:12:42.280
do you have any comments
about what would you like to see
02:12:43.480 --> 02:12:47.270
in the 2021 updates
regarding the interaction
02:12:47.270 --> 02:12:51.027
with Cal/OSHA regulations
and POU management
02:12:52.340 --> 02:12:55.210
of contractor compliance with safety?
02:12:55.210 --> 02:12:58.993
And I'm gonna ask that of
board member Armstrong.
02:13:00.220 --> 02:13:04.090
So thanks board
member of Porter.
02:13:04.090 --> 02:13:09.090
So as we reviewed 50 of these plans,
02:13:09.490 --> 02:13:11.613
there was several of the plans
02:13:11.613 --> 02:13:15.970
that just basically
referenced general orders.
02:13:15.970 --> 02:13:18.280
We follow this order,
we follow that order.
02:13:18.280 --> 02:13:22.460
And in a high fire threat
district, you could probably,
02:13:22.460 --> 02:13:26.090
when I started looking at the
compliance perspect of this,
02:13:26.090 --> 02:13:28.750
but if you reference a general order,
02:13:28.750 --> 02:13:33.523
95 rule 35 in a non-high
fire threat district.
02:13:35.207 --> 02:13:36.320
It says that a tree can grow
02:13:36.320 --> 02:13:40.510
within as the 12 kV language,
02:13:40.510 --> 02:13:44.193
it allows a tree to grow with
an 18 inches of that 12 KV.
02:13:45.079 --> 02:13:47.740
And by law the workers that
actually have to go out there
02:13:47.740 --> 02:13:49.540
and cut those trees,
02:13:49.540 --> 02:13:51.740
they're not allowed
to get within 25 inches.
02:13:53.520 --> 02:13:55.050
They're not considered
qualified electrical workers,
02:13:55.050 --> 02:13:56.330
those are considered qualified persons.
02:13:56.330 --> 02:13:59.053
So they're not allowed to get into that,
02:14:02.030 --> 02:14:04.560
encroach any closer than 25 inches,
02:14:04.560 --> 02:14:06.560
even if the tree is closer than that.
02:14:07.440 --> 02:14:10.170
And as I evaluate some of this stuff,
02:14:10.170 --> 02:14:13.130
the thought is when I look at Healdsburg
02:14:13.130 --> 02:14:14.930
where they say they cut every tree
02:14:14.930 --> 02:14:15.990
no matter where in the system,
02:14:15.990 --> 02:14:17.850
doesn't get any closer than four foot,
02:14:17.850 --> 02:14:20.180
that is a good safe
practice for the individuals
02:14:20.180 --> 02:14:21.650
that have to go out there.
02:14:21.650 --> 02:14:26.650
Now you can ask any of
these utilities POUs everything.
02:14:27.400 --> 02:14:29.940
If they were to drive up
on a job and they saw one
02:14:29.940 --> 02:14:32.343
of their linemen, their
QEW within 18 inches
02:14:32.343 --> 02:14:34.170
of a power line that isn't covered
02:14:35.560 --> 02:14:37.990
and don't have any
protective devices up there,
02:14:37.990 --> 02:14:39.280
what would they do?
02:14:39.280 --> 02:14:41.770
And it would shut down the job.
02:14:41.770 --> 02:14:42.870
It's an unsafe work practice,
02:14:42.870 --> 02:14:46.413
but it seems almost
acceptable to say that, you know,
02:14:46.413 --> 02:14:49.223
a line crime is true tremor
that has less training.
02:14:51.280 --> 02:14:54.560
Then a qualified electrical
group can actually cut
02:14:54.560 --> 02:14:56.960
or manipulate a branch that's closer
02:14:56.960 --> 02:14:59.610
than than the Cal/OSHA requirements.
02:14:59.610 --> 02:15:02.823
So when I see a wildfire mitigation plan
02:15:02.823 --> 02:15:04.793
just as we comply with this,
02:15:05.960 --> 02:15:08.030
what I'd like to see as more detail
02:15:08.030 --> 02:15:11.520
into them understanding
the difference of both
02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:14.280
whether or not their
brands can be removed
02:15:14.280 --> 02:15:16.470
while the lines energized, you
have to de-energize the line.
02:15:16.470 --> 02:15:17.610
Do you have to have
a qualified electrical
02:15:17.610 --> 02:15:18.913
out there doing that work?
02:15:20.980 --> 02:15:23.420
I think it's a best
practice or better practice
02:15:23.420 --> 02:15:27.320
if we just move those
minimum requirements out
02:15:27.320 --> 02:15:30.720
to what the requirements are,
02:15:30.720 --> 02:15:32.330
the safe working
distance for the individuals
02:15:32.330 --> 02:15:33.930
that have to cut those trees
02:15:33.930 --> 02:15:36.340
versus the proximity to the power line.
02:15:36.340 --> 02:15:39.320
So that is one of the
things that stuck with me
02:15:39.320 --> 02:15:40.330
for quite a while.
02:15:40.330 --> 02:15:44.090
And every time I see
somebody just referencing
02:15:44.090 --> 02:15:47.700
a general order standard,
02:15:47.700 --> 02:15:52.700
I kind wonder, do they
understand the aspect
02:15:53.040 --> 02:15:55.080
of who's cutting the trees?
02:15:55.080 --> 02:15:59.410
Do they have people
that are managing this?
02:15:59.410 --> 02:16:03.420
Do they understand
what it takes to do that?
02:16:03.420 --> 02:16:05.590
Or they're relying on
contractors to do everything
02:16:05.590 --> 02:16:08.390
So that is just a concern that I have
02:16:08.390 --> 02:16:10.240
that I think needs to be addressed
02:16:10.240 --> 02:16:13.730
through the general orders
or through these wildfire
02:16:13.730 --> 02:16:14.870
mitigation plans.
02:16:14.870 --> 02:16:18.143
If people are referencing a
standard in the general order,
02:16:19.450 --> 02:16:23.710
you've gotta take into account
again the safety of the...
02:16:23.710 --> 02:16:26.610
And this falls somewhat
into the safety culture,
02:16:26.610 --> 02:16:28.610
but falls into take into account
02:16:28.610 --> 02:16:29.790
the safety of the individuals
02:16:29.790 --> 02:16:32.510
that are put out there
to cut those trees.
02:16:32.510 --> 02:16:35.660
Thank you, board
member Syphard,
02:16:35.660 --> 02:16:39.430
what is the best way to
deal with urban fuel near lines
02:16:39.430 --> 02:16:41.093
on private property?
02:16:42.470 --> 02:16:44.830
I think that's something
you want to talk about.
02:16:44.830 --> 02:16:49.480
Yeah, thinking about what
we were listening to today,
02:16:49.480 --> 02:16:53.170
thinking about board
member Mader's comments,
02:16:53.170 --> 02:16:58.170
I think I might extend it even
broader to talk about mapping
02:16:58.790 --> 02:17:03.790
in general and basically
which area is which and why.
02:17:04.870 --> 02:17:08.900
And so this gets to
issues that have to do
02:17:08.900 --> 02:17:10.710
with private property.
02:17:10.710 --> 02:17:14.790
It has to do with issues
in terms of defining
02:17:14.790 --> 02:17:18.370
what are the high fire threat zones?
02:17:18.370 --> 02:17:20.020
What are the different maps?
02:17:20.020 --> 02:17:23.153
What are the rules that go
into designing these maps?
02:17:27.124 --> 02:17:32.124
And even into a recommendation
that we generally had,
02:17:32.190 --> 02:17:35.070
which was the provision of maps
02:17:35.070 --> 02:17:37.340
in the wildfire mitigation plans,
02:17:37.340 --> 02:17:41.080
so that we could actually
visualize what the territories
02:17:41.080 --> 02:17:44.030
look like relative to the
environmental conditions
02:17:44.030 --> 02:17:45.570
on the ground.
02:17:45.570 --> 02:17:48.870
And I say all of this,
because I am a geographer.
02:17:48.870 --> 02:17:53.700
And I spend part of my
career coming up with fire.
02:17:54.590 --> 02:17:57.430
I do fire risk mapping
as part of my job.
02:17:57.430 --> 02:18:01.940
And so I'm aware of the
uncertainty that goes into it
02:18:01.940 --> 02:18:06.760
and talking sort of complimentary
02:18:06.760 --> 02:18:08.230
with the black Swan events,
02:18:08.230 --> 02:18:12.090
I'm also aware that
there's a lot of stochastically
02:18:12.090 --> 02:18:17.090
and randomness in fire
behavior and fire extensions.
02:18:17.130 --> 02:18:22.130
And so you can 99 out of
100 times have the fire behavior
02:18:23.380 --> 02:18:26.520
go a certain way, but it
doesn't always go that way.
02:18:26.520 --> 02:18:30.720
And so I think in general,
02:18:30.720 --> 02:18:34.620
it would be helpful to
have an understanding
02:18:34.620 --> 02:18:39.360
of exactly what are the
methods that have been used
02:18:39.360 --> 02:18:42.990
to create the different types of maps
02:18:42.990 --> 02:18:46.280
and how they affect
the different practices
02:18:46.280 --> 02:18:49.840
in vegetation management in those areas.
02:18:49.840 --> 02:18:51.820
And then in addition,
02:18:51.820 --> 02:18:54.120
what are the
considerations for the areas
02:18:54.120 --> 02:18:57.570
that don't fall into the Tier one
02:18:57.570 --> 02:18:59.890
or the Tier 2 or three areas?
02:18:59.890 --> 02:19:04.860
And so I do know and I've
heard from a lot of the POUs
02:19:04.860 --> 02:19:09.860
that explicitly mentioned
there are consultations
02:19:10.290 --> 02:19:15.290
in terms of the landscaping
that's on private property.
02:19:17.540 --> 02:19:21.773
Well, today, when LA was talking about,
02:19:22.910 --> 02:19:27.660
I know what the native
vegetation is like in Los Angeles
02:19:27.660 --> 02:19:29.780
and it does not involve trees.
02:19:29.780 --> 02:19:31.730
And so they mentioned how they treated
02:19:31.730 --> 02:19:34.763
or removed 400,000
trees, that's a lot of trees.
02:19:37.200 --> 02:19:40.260
One of my questions was
where were all those trees?
02:19:40.260 --> 02:19:44.740
Aside from some of the Oaks around,
02:19:44.740 --> 02:19:47.320
I'm guessing these are
a lot of non-native trees
02:19:47.320 --> 02:19:50.430
that are around high fire hazard zones.
02:19:50.430 --> 02:19:55.430
So I'm sort of just tying a
whole bunch of themes together
02:19:55.730 --> 02:19:58.380
in a general recommendation
02:19:58.380 --> 02:20:03.120
to provide more detailed
information justifying
02:20:03.120 --> 02:20:05.020
different methodological decisions
02:20:05.020 --> 02:20:06.733
in terms of vegetation management.
02:20:07.900 --> 02:20:09.163
Okay, thank you.
02:20:10.068 --> 02:20:11.487
I do have one last question
02:20:11.487 --> 02:20:16.487
and it about what would we
like to see in updates regarding
02:20:17.160 --> 02:20:19.560
the peal use incorporating fire science
02:20:19.560 --> 02:20:22.803
into their WMP for the same POU?
02:20:26.696 --> 02:20:28.620
Board member Mader.
02:20:28.620 --> 02:20:29.850
Thank you, board member Porter.
02:20:29.850 --> 02:20:31.740
I actually did have a question I wanted
02:20:31.740 --> 02:20:35.720
to ask the vegetation
management, Bagley-Keene.
02:20:35.720 --> 02:20:38.670
I have not been able to
talk to you guys about this
02:20:38.670 --> 02:20:39.960
and it's been killing me.
02:20:39.960 --> 02:20:43.030
But in particular,
02:20:43.030 --> 02:20:46.093
when we're reviewing
the City of Glendale,
02:20:47.100 --> 02:20:49.490
wildfire mitigation plan,
02:20:49.490 --> 02:20:54.490
the City of Glendale explained
that they have some owners
02:20:54.690 --> 02:20:59.690
upon the end customer on
making sure that their property
02:21:00.000 --> 02:21:04.400
is safer and is appropriately,
02:21:04.400 --> 02:21:06.770
the vegetation is
appropriately managed in order
02:21:06.770 --> 02:21:10.052
to minimize the amount
of risks that could cause
02:21:10.052 --> 02:21:15.052
that could potentially feed a
fire that could affect others.
02:21:16.230 --> 02:21:21.230
And I would was
interested in your thoughts
02:21:21.470 --> 02:21:24.586
as to the social utility,
02:21:24.586 --> 02:21:29.586
the idea that those receiving
the service should take some
02:21:32.380 --> 02:21:35.570
just prudent prints of keeping
your trees 20 feet apart
02:21:35.570 --> 02:21:37.730
from each other in the City of Glendale.
02:21:37.730 --> 02:21:40.403
Keeping dry grass less than four inches.
02:21:41.270 --> 02:21:44.850
It seems like those were
some prudence requirement.
02:21:44.850 --> 02:21:49.423
And do you see any utility
for that for recommendations
02:21:49.423 --> 02:21:51.343
for other areas as well?
02:21:52.800 --> 02:21:55.270
We had some discussion
about this as well.
02:21:55.270 --> 02:21:59.670
And part of what we were talking about
02:21:59.670 --> 02:22:01.560
is that the State of California,
02:22:01.560 --> 02:22:04.640
of course mandates 100
feet of defensible space
02:22:04.640 --> 02:22:08.270
within high fire hazard severity zones.
02:22:08.270 --> 02:22:10.160
But again, coming back to map,
02:22:10.160 --> 02:22:13.240
those zones don't necessarily overlap
02:22:13.240 --> 02:22:15.610
with all areas in the state.
02:22:15.610 --> 02:22:19.290
And I think that defensible space,
02:22:19.290 --> 02:22:21.390
it's one of the topics that I study
02:22:22.740 --> 02:22:24.460
a lot in my research.
02:22:24.460 --> 02:22:28.620
And I think that there are
some interesting considerations,
02:22:28.620 --> 02:22:32.600
one in terms of who's doing it
02:22:32.600 --> 02:22:34.690
and what they should be doing,
02:22:34.690 --> 02:22:38.880
but also there's defensible
space that can be conducted
02:22:38.880 --> 02:22:41.580
to protect the structure on the house,
02:22:41.580 --> 02:22:44.570
which might be different
than the defensible space
02:22:44.570 --> 02:22:48.150
to reduce utility ignition
through the line going through
02:22:48.150 --> 02:22:50.050
because they're in different...
02:22:50.050 --> 02:22:53.080
My research has shown
that the first five feet
02:22:53.080 --> 02:22:56.830
from the structure are the
key areas for defensible space,
02:22:56.830 --> 02:23:00.010
but that doesn't apply to
the line running through.
02:23:00.010 --> 02:23:05.010
So I think that I was
impressed that Glendale
02:23:07.300 --> 02:23:08.750
was relying upon that.
02:23:08.750 --> 02:23:11.820
And I think that in general,
02:23:11.820 --> 02:23:15.670
defensible space in fire
prone areas is a recommended
02:23:15.670 --> 02:23:18.550
practice for fire safety overall.
02:23:18.550 --> 02:23:20.430
I would just be interested
02:23:20.430 --> 02:23:25.110
and I don't know who would
be doing it to sort of parse out
02:23:25.110 --> 02:23:29.560
or unpack the details in terms
of how do you differentiate
02:23:29.560 --> 02:23:32.623
what that defensible space objective is.
02:23:33.490 --> 02:23:37.710
Exactly, we're all familiar
with the principle space
02:23:37.710 --> 02:23:41.040
around structures and that the posters
02:23:41.040 --> 02:23:43.470
have some responsibility for that.
02:23:43.470 --> 02:23:48.470
But this is about defensible
space for the utility asset
02:23:48.610 --> 02:23:50.120
on their property,
02:23:50.120 --> 02:23:54.133
that they be more than 100
feet away from their structure.
02:23:55.143 --> 02:23:57.770
And you say keep that dry ground,
02:23:57.770 --> 02:23:59.850
don't let it go up to six feet.
02:23:59.850 --> 02:24:00.910
Keep it four inches or less.
02:24:00.910 --> 02:24:04.510
So those things they'll
seem like policies
02:24:04.510 --> 02:24:07.500
that could be very valuable,
02:24:07.500 --> 02:24:10.990
it might be worthy of like examining
02:24:10.990 --> 02:24:12.723
where else they can be adopted.
02:24:13.910 --> 02:24:15.723
Total agreement, yes.
02:24:17.268 --> 02:24:21.170
I'd like to move us
on to the last category.
02:24:21.170 --> 02:24:24.248
Again, reminding everyone
that the recommendations
02:24:24.248 --> 02:24:28.770
are on the or the
draft is on our website.
02:24:28.770 --> 02:24:33.550
And it's the WMP structure
recommendations here
02:24:33.550 --> 02:24:38.048
focused on including or
providing certain details
02:24:38.048 --> 02:24:40.083
upfront of the POU.
02:24:41.120 --> 02:24:46.120
And that BK group was Chair Edwards,
02:24:46.680 --> 02:24:49.070
Vice-chair Fellman and myself.
02:24:49.070 --> 02:24:52.833
And since we're limited in time,
02:24:54.350 --> 02:24:56.500
Chair Edward, would
you like to comment on,
02:25:00.850 --> 02:25:03.919
what you would like
to see come up front?
02:25:03.919 --> 02:25:08.163
When we were
looking at the structure,
02:25:09.110 --> 02:25:12.053
particularly when you're
reading the 50 plan,
02:25:12.990 --> 02:25:16.200
I didn't have some time
sufficient roadmap within it.
02:25:16.200 --> 02:25:20.320
I mean, it talks about the
statutory connections per se,
02:25:20.320 --> 02:25:23.530
but because we hadn't really
talked about some the ways
02:25:23.530 --> 02:25:25.850
that we as a board were looking at it,
02:25:25.850 --> 02:25:29.000
it was difficult to parse
out some of the information.
02:25:29.000 --> 02:25:33.360
And I'm hopeful next
time as we talked through it
02:25:33.360 --> 02:25:35.360
iteratively with the POU community,
02:25:35.360 --> 02:25:39.430
that we can find a point
of agreement that makes it
02:25:39.430 --> 02:25:41.010
a little bit more of (indistinct).
02:25:41.010 --> 02:25:44.250
And this is not to
suggest that you try to put
02:25:44.250 --> 02:25:47.280
a round peg in a square
hole or the other way around.
02:25:47.280 --> 02:25:52.080
Either way, it's not to take
away from the uniqueness
02:25:52.080 --> 02:25:53.330
of the response,
02:25:53.330 --> 02:25:56.190
it's more to develop the broader heading
02:25:56.190 --> 02:25:58.610
so that we know where to look.
02:25:58.610 --> 02:25:59.443
And particularly,
02:25:59.443 --> 02:26:02.760
we're gonna start comparing
plans year over year.
02:26:02.760 --> 02:26:05.670
So to have a structure
that's a little more clear
02:26:05.670 --> 02:26:10.670
will allow for that review,
who else was in there?
02:26:14.860 --> 02:26:17.360
Vice-chair Fellman, did
you have anything on that?
02:26:21.600 --> 02:26:25.090
You were looking at the other
dimension we were looking at
02:26:25.090 --> 02:26:28.960
is just what process, I'm an attorney,
02:26:28.960 --> 02:26:30.537
so I'm very procedural.
I'm sorry.
02:26:30.537 --> 02:26:34.260
What process you go through
getting your plans approved
02:26:35.990 --> 02:26:39.380
and who is your governing bodies?
02:26:39.380 --> 02:26:44.380
Just so we understood that a
chain of review and approval.
02:26:46.790 --> 02:26:48.460
The other thing I think
we were looking at
02:26:48.460 --> 02:26:51.730
is on the first page, we
had developed a template
02:26:51.730 --> 02:26:54.410
of what I felt was fairly
non-threatening information,
02:26:54.410 --> 02:26:56.970
which was just the size of the agency,
02:26:56.970 --> 02:26:59.723
the type of customer base.
02:27:01.460 --> 02:27:05.410
Did they in fact have
equipment that fell into the fire,
02:27:05.410 --> 02:27:07.230
different fire tiers?
02:27:07.230 --> 02:27:09.333
Were they subject to PSPS?
02:27:10.370 --> 02:27:14.187
Having that, I hesitate to
use the word standardized
02:27:14.187 --> 02:27:16.630
`cause in our world
that can be very difficult,
02:27:16.630 --> 02:27:18.237
but at least we can have that.
02:27:18.237 --> 02:27:22.100
`Cause we researched websites
and we would pour through four
02:27:22.100 --> 02:27:24.510
or five other documents
trying to find a way to-
02:27:24.510 --> 02:27:26.140
Certain technologies
that we think are critical
02:27:26.140 --> 02:27:30.963
to really reduce COVID in
our economy, and a second-
02:27:31.930 --> 02:27:34.090
I don't know who
that is, but that's-
02:27:34.090 --> 02:27:35.417
Oh, he's gone now.
02:27:37.041 --> 02:27:39.340
So that was really where we
were focused on the structure
02:27:39.340 --> 02:27:42.110
is simplification in reading,
02:27:42.110 --> 02:27:47.110
the understanding the
framework of the utility upfront
02:27:47.820 --> 02:27:50.580
and what was the action of demonstration
02:27:50.580 --> 02:27:53.460
of kind of both when
they develop their plans,
02:27:53.460 --> 02:27:56.413
but also progress on their
plans to their governing body.
02:27:59.440 --> 02:28:00.807
Said a mouthful, very good.
02:28:00.807 --> 02:28:04.950
And I just wanna quickly
add that we're looking
02:28:04.950 --> 02:28:09.170
at this as a collaborative
process that we had the initial,
02:28:09.170 --> 02:28:12.230
as I said at the beginning,
we had the initial filing.
02:28:12.230 --> 02:28:13.740
You had a chance to look at them.
02:28:13.740 --> 02:28:17.930
These were some theme
or a draft had some themes
02:28:17.930 --> 02:28:19.780
that appeared to us.
02:28:19.780 --> 02:28:22.460
So I know we're gonna
have the next panel,
02:28:22.460 --> 02:28:25.720
but we're really seeing
it as a collaborative effort
02:28:25.720 --> 02:28:30.293
and really appreciate
everyone's participation to date.
02:28:32.400 --> 02:28:33.233
Thank you.
02:28:33.233 --> 02:28:34.066
Yeah, absolutely.
02:28:34.066 --> 02:28:38.600
This this is an opportunity
for us all to get to know
02:28:39.520 --> 02:28:42.353
who each one of the POUs are.
02:28:43.720 --> 02:28:48.720
We saw that they are unique
and there are no two alike.
02:28:49.070 --> 02:28:51.367
They may share some common issues,
02:28:53.301 --> 02:28:57.877
common topography,
geography, obstacles, constraints
02:29:00.493 --> 02:29:05.493
to initiating any of the
mitigating programs.
02:29:07.960 --> 02:29:12.350
But this is an opportunity
and we encourage them
02:29:12.350 --> 02:29:16.210
as though the others who
presented today to reach out to us
02:29:16.210 --> 02:29:19.103
so that we can get a better
sense of who they are.
02:29:20.270 --> 02:29:23.340
With that, I'd like to
give it back to you,
02:29:23.340 --> 02:29:27.933
Chair Edwards so that we
can have our next module.
02:29:28.960 --> 02:29:30.810
Thank you, board member Porter.
02:29:30.810 --> 02:29:33.702
That was a very good
job, I appreciate it.
02:29:33.702 --> 02:29:35.920
Before we enter into this next module,
02:29:35.920 --> 02:29:40.920
I do wanna make a comment
with respect to the publicly owned
02:29:41.000 --> 02:29:44.700
and co-ops can be somewhat different.
02:29:44.700 --> 02:29:46.170
They can be privately owned,
02:29:46.170 --> 02:29:49.310
but publicly owned
utilities are just that.
02:29:49.310 --> 02:29:52.460
And the fact of their size
usually does facilitate much
02:29:52.460 --> 02:29:57.210
closer relationships with a
lot of the emergency response
02:29:57.210 --> 02:30:00.170
actions, activities and connections
02:30:00.170 --> 02:30:03.320
with the people who operate them,
02:30:03.320 --> 02:30:06.790
it's also worthwhile to keep
in mind that these agencies
02:30:06.790 --> 02:30:09.793
do not have stockholders
nor profit margin.
02:30:10.970 --> 02:30:15.210
The race they go in go
to maintain cost of service,
02:30:15.210 --> 02:30:17.780
as well as to do enhancements,
02:30:17.780 --> 02:30:21.900
you know, repairs, capital
work to their systems.
02:30:21.900 --> 02:30:24.910
And so it's no surprise
that you will see
02:30:24.910 --> 02:30:27.720
that that's a large focus for them all.
02:30:27.720 --> 02:30:31.957
Alright, so I wanna thank
everyone as well as CMUA,
02:30:31.957 --> 02:30:34.820
SCPPA, NCPA, Golden
State Power Cooperatives
02:30:34.820 --> 02:30:39.770
for their support in developing
these very first WMP.
02:30:39.770 --> 02:30:42.060
And thank you to CMUA way for helping us
02:30:42.060 --> 02:30:45.323
with that first front page template.
02:30:46.220 --> 02:30:48.610
Okay, now we're gonna
talk about the next stage
02:30:48.610 --> 02:30:50.510
of the discussion.
02:30:50.510 --> 02:30:55.510
So we reviewed the plans
and we would like to find ways
02:30:55.610 --> 02:30:58.990
to build on the work that
was done for this year
02:30:58.990 --> 02:31:01.460
in ways that are informative,
02:31:01.460 --> 02:31:06.077
not iterative or could be
categorized as busy work.
02:31:07.840 --> 02:31:11.130
So we'd like to work with
you to develop these templates
02:31:11.130 --> 02:31:13.713
for the 2021 updates.
02:31:14.720 --> 02:31:17.420
Our current thoughts are covered in,
02:31:17.420 --> 02:31:18.560
I think it's section four
02:31:18.560 --> 02:31:21.610
of the draft guidance advisory opinion
02:31:21.610 --> 02:31:23.120
that we put forth last week.
02:31:23.120 --> 02:31:25.440
Again, this is not a complete document.
02:31:25.440 --> 02:31:29.290
We're awaiting your
feedback, your commentary
02:31:29.290 --> 02:31:31.800
and we would hope
to go public with this,
02:31:31.800 --> 02:31:35.427
I think it is December 9th.
02:31:35.427 --> 02:31:40.330
Okay, moving to the associations.
02:31:40.330 --> 02:31:42.100
We have Jessica Nelson,
02:31:42.100 --> 02:31:45.630
the General Manager of
Golden State Power Cooperative.
02:31:45.630 --> 02:31:47.590
Barry Moline, Executive Director
02:31:47.590 --> 02:31:51.500
of the California Municipal
Utilities Association.
02:31:51.500 --> 02:31:54.970
Stop Thomas Tomaszewski
we're in California Power Agency
02:31:54.970 --> 02:31:58.540
and either Michael
Webster or Randy Kreger.
02:31:58.540 --> 02:32:01.450
And I'll wait to be excited
by which one we get,
02:32:01.450 --> 02:32:04.110
the Southern California
public power is 40.
02:32:04.110 --> 02:32:06.151
Can we make sure they are unmuted
02:32:06.151 --> 02:32:07.883
and their camera is on please.
02:32:14.290 --> 02:32:17.510
So and I'm gonna
address this this broadly.
02:32:17.510 --> 02:32:19.590
Try if you can and not
step on one another,
02:32:19.590 --> 02:32:21.683
because I can only see four at a time,
02:32:23.219 --> 02:32:26.420
but when you look at the groupings,
02:32:26.420 --> 02:32:30.860
is there any logic between
grouping on risk profiles
02:32:30.860 --> 02:32:33.720
or specific categories?
02:32:33.720 --> 02:32:37.083
And anyone can answer just
start talking in a real sequence.
02:32:48.070 --> 02:32:50.550
All right, with that detailed answer,
02:32:50.550 --> 02:32:54.620
let me ask, Scott Tom,
just give his opinion.
02:32:54.620 --> 02:32:57.020
Is there value in breaking
it apart in that way?
02:33:03.773 --> 02:33:07.370
Let me rephrase, do we have Scott?
02:33:07.370 --> 02:33:08.203
There we go.
02:33:08.203 --> 02:33:09.670
I'll hit the mute button
on my phone, I'm sorry.
02:33:09.670 --> 02:33:11.020
There you go.
02:33:11.020 --> 02:33:13.770
Thanks for the opportunity
and good to see you again.
02:33:15.900 --> 02:33:19.353
I think part of the challenge
with how we categorize
02:33:19.353 --> 02:33:23.280
is something that you
have really identified
02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:25.450
and many of you have
identified over the course
02:33:25.450 --> 02:33:29.040
of this discussion is that the
unique nature of what we are
02:33:29.040 --> 02:33:32.420
makes it really difficult
to throw us in categories
02:33:32.420 --> 02:33:34.370
of low risk, medium risk and high risk.
02:33:35.420 --> 02:33:38.100
In one respect, you
can start with the Tier 1,
02:33:38.100 --> 02:33:39.780
Tier 2, Tier 3 classification,
02:33:39.780 --> 02:33:41.347
but then you have different utilities
02:33:41.347 --> 02:33:43.210
that fall in different areas,
02:33:43.210 --> 02:33:45.293
so you have that problem to deal with.
02:33:46.170 --> 02:33:47.980
You have the distinction
between some utilities
02:33:47.980 --> 02:33:51.322
that might have some transmission system
02:33:51.322 --> 02:33:53.000
and others that do not.
02:33:53.000 --> 02:33:55.983
So you have that to deal with as well.
02:33:57.350 --> 02:33:59.363
So it does become problematic.
02:34:00.250 --> 02:34:02.850
The idea of dealing
with a blended risk profile
02:34:02.850 --> 02:34:06.310
while having portions
of Tier 2 and Tier 3,
02:34:06.310 --> 02:34:09.070
that may be maybe
something you can deal with,
02:34:09.070 --> 02:34:10.410
but at the same time,
02:34:10.410 --> 02:34:14.430
utilities are going to focus
their interest on the things
02:34:14.430 --> 02:34:16.510
that best protect their communities.
02:34:16.510 --> 02:34:20.310
And so you have a situation
where vegetation management
02:34:20.310 --> 02:34:22.520
is just first and foremost.
02:34:22.520 --> 02:34:24.650
And when you start
to look at the groupings
02:34:24.650 --> 02:34:27.330
and you look at the, and
we'll get into the major CS
02:34:27.330 --> 02:34:29.260
and how we deal with templates,
02:34:29.260 --> 02:34:31.290
it becomes really problematic.
02:34:31.290 --> 02:34:33.740
So the focus for us almost becomes
02:34:33.740 --> 02:34:37.170
trying to find the things
that work best for us.
02:34:37.170 --> 02:34:39.160
And then we focus on
those particular areas.
02:34:39.160 --> 02:34:43.140
So it's a start, it just
becomes problematic.
02:34:43.140 --> 02:34:46.440
And my concern is that
we end up putting ourselves
02:34:46.440 --> 02:34:49.070
in categories where there's
a lot more behind the story
02:34:49.070 --> 02:34:52.470
than saying you're low
risk, medium risk or high risk.
02:34:52.470 --> 02:34:55.820
No, I don't wanna
agree, so noted.
02:34:55.820 --> 02:34:59.580
In part this is a real stay
mechanism attempted
02:34:59.580 --> 02:35:03.480
to help teach the board
about the TOU structures
02:35:03.480 --> 02:35:05.020
and about their priorities.
02:35:05.020 --> 02:35:07.650
And it's the reason we're
talking to the community
02:35:07.650 --> 02:35:09.113
in a workshop environment.
02:35:10.120 --> 02:35:13.510
If what we think are
not good gradiations,
02:35:13.510 --> 02:35:16.167
but if you can think of
others that are more logical,
02:35:16.167 --> 02:35:20.340
`cause there were a significant
number of commonalities
02:35:20.340 --> 02:35:23.090
out of the 50 reports that you read.
02:35:23.090 --> 02:35:25.802
So there needs to be
some way of addressing
02:35:25.802 --> 02:35:28.350
both of those interests.
02:35:28.350 --> 02:35:29.880
And if we could think about it
02:35:30.800 --> 02:35:33.710
and if you could keep it in mind
as you frame your responses
02:35:33.710 --> 02:35:34.900
to the guidance document,
02:35:34.900 --> 02:35:37.033
I think that would be very helpful.
02:35:38.340 --> 02:35:41.657
Well, Chair Edwards,
this is Barry Moline.
02:35:41.657 --> 02:35:43.010
Hi there.
02:35:43.010 --> 02:35:46.870
Hi, in that categorization,
02:35:46.870 --> 02:35:49.073
I just wanna ask a clarifying question.
02:35:51.980 --> 02:35:56.113
Are you looking at
well, I don't know that,
02:35:57.850 --> 02:35:59.630
I agree with Scott that it's difficult
02:35:59.630 --> 02:36:01.250
to just flat out categorize.
02:36:01.250 --> 02:36:04.380
However, I think within the categories,
02:36:04.380 --> 02:36:08.010
you might have directional utilities.
02:36:08.010 --> 02:36:10.410
I mean, as you list in the report,
02:36:10.410 --> 02:36:12.310
urban locked or underground,
02:36:12.310 --> 02:36:17.310
maybe sort of a category
utilities with sort of a...
02:36:17.420 --> 02:36:19.290
You didn't really call
them medium or high,
02:36:19.290 --> 02:36:20.783
but well, you sort of did.
02:36:24.268 --> 02:36:28.060
A mix of a wild land and an urban
02:36:28.060 --> 02:36:33.060
and then utilities that
are in the forest basically
02:36:34.080 --> 02:36:37.630
or high risk, that's what
you label as high risk.
02:36:37.630 --> 02:36:42.630
And as the concept more
that we get those utilities to talk
02:36:43.130 --> 02:36:47.883
to each other so that they
are sharing best practices.
02:36:49.435 --> 02:36:51.760
I mean I don't think
that we can categorize
02:36:51.760 --> 02:36:53.877
them specifically, well, yeah.
02:36:53.877 --> 02:36:56.170
No matter what the associations do now.
02:36:56.170 --> 02:36:57.003
Right.
02:36:57.003 --> 02:36:58.800
Well, maybe that's how we thought about,
02:36:58.800 --> 02:37:03.800
a solution is getting those
folks to talk more to each other
02:37:04.180 --> 02:37:07.090
in each of those general categories.
02:37:07.090 --> 02:37:08.550
Like, I don't think we
can categorize them
02:37:08.550 --> 02:37:12.420
or I don't think they can specifically
02:37:12.420 --> 02:37:13.564
categorize themselves.
02:37:13.564 --> 02:37:17.250
Maybe if you can, there's
no question that a few can,
02:37:17.250 --> 02:37:21.570
those that are 95 plus
percent underground
02:37:21.570 --> 02:37:24.660
or those that are 95%
percent of the forest,
02:37:24.660 --> 02:37:29.090
but those are in the 20% range.
02:37:29.090 --> 02:37:31.363
And there's a big group in the middle.
02:37:32.490 --> 02:37:37.490
But I guess, so my
question is the idea that they,
02:37:37.790 --> 02:37:40.460
that those folks that
are in those general
02:37:40.460 --> 02:37:41.940
directional categories,
02:37:41.940 --> 02:37:45.180
that they'd be talking to
each other and sharing ideas
02:37:45.180 --> 02:37:46.800
with each other about
what they're doing.
02:37:46.800 --> 02:37:47.633
I mean, is that what-
02:37:47.633 --> 02:37:51.230
To some extent though, I think they do.
02:37:51.230 --> 02:37:54.350
I believe that TOU community
has one of the more dynamic
02:37:55.310 --> 02:37:57.700
information exchange methodologies.
02:37:57.700 --> 02:38:00.810
And maybe the more logical cut is
02:38:00.810 --> 02:38:03.220
is the broad category on the top,
02:38:03.220 --> 02:38:07.120
but then a narrower
definition of specific strategies
02:38:07.120 --> 02:38:09.730
that have commonality
between municipalities,
02:38:09.730 --> 02:38:11.610
that's the reason we're bringing it up.
02:38:11.610 --> 02:38:16.610
I think your sector has a
better idea how to go about this.
02:38:17.237 --> 02:38:19.500
And to what extent it would be useful.
02:38:19.500 --> 02:38:23.080
And again, we have experts on our board,
02:38:23.080 --> 02:38:27.670
but many are experts
in a more narrow vein.
02:38:27.670 --> 02:38:30.330
And so it's important
to bear that in mind
02:38:30.330 --> 02:38:33.660
what might seem to be to
you as an incremental point
02:38:33.660 --> 02:38:35.750
that might include five,
02:38:35.750 --> 02:38:40.750
to them it's sort of a
large overarching category.
02:38:40.840 --> 02:38:42.980
So I think it will work its way clear,
02:38:42.980 --> 02:38:46.560
but if you guys could think
about it as you discuss this
02:38:46.560 --> 02:38:47.690
over the next period of time,
02:38:47.690 --> 02:38:49.893
before you submit some of your remarks.
02:38:51.500 --> 02:38:54.173
Do we have Mike or
Randy on here from SCPPA?
02:38:58.210 --> 02:38:59.310
Are you unmuted?
02:39:01.830 --> 02:39:03.630
Did you decide to do something else?
02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:07.833
All right.
02:39:11.970 --> 02:39:13.193
Let me see here.
02:39:14.870 --> 02:39:18.660
One of the issues and the
question is to any of you is,
02:39:18.660 --> 02:39:20.600
I noticed when I
reviewed a lot of reports
02:39:20.600 --> 02:39:23.540
there's redundancy and there's nothing
02:39:23.540 --> 02:39:27.140
that drives me crazier than
having people say the same thing
02:39:27.140 --> 02:39:29.750
in three or four
different different pages,
02:39:29.750 --> 02:39:32.450
because they were trying
to necessarily be responsive
02:39:32.450 --> 02:39:34.170
to the statute.
02:39:34.170 --> 02:39:37.230
Like I had, part of mine
was the one on reclosures.
02:39:38.220 --> 02:39:39.770
I thought I knew what they did,
02:39:40.660 --> 02:39:44.180
but after reading some
of these plans, it was very,
02:39:44.180 --> 02:39:46.430
it was difficult to start
to draw conclusions
02:39:46.430 --> 02:39:49.270
as to the logic behind
what some of the agencies
02:39:49.270 --> 02:39:51.950
were not doing along those lines.
02:39:51.950 --> 02:39:54.270
So they're and I
noticed in some of them,
02:39:54.270 --> 02:39:56.650
there's a bit on reclosures here.
02:39:56.650 --> 02:39:59.490
And then four pages down
there was a bit on reclosure there.
02:39:59.490 --> 02:40:02.693
And then, so it would be helpful.
02:40:04.800 --> 02:40:07.480
And I wonder too, if
from our standpoint,
02:40:07.480 --> 02:40:12.270
would it help to add
questions from our side to try
02:40:12.270 --> 02:40:15.030
to bring broader light to
02:40:15.030 --> 02:40:17.020
what is it we're trying to figure out?
02:40:17.020 --> 02:40:20.190
What is it we're trying to
gain an understanding of
02:40:20.190 --> 02:40:23.440
rather than have you
guys try and get what it is
02:40:23.440 --> 02:40:25.790
that we're trying to accomplish?
02:40:25.790 --> 02:40:29.623
We talked about that,
it's a question mode.
02:40:32.340 --> 02:40:35.890
And then what would lend
itself to a template format
02:40:35.890 --> 02:40:40.890
is the learning from the 2020
end piece, what changed?
02:40:42.350 --> 02:40:45.130
What did you learn within
the scope of that specific year?
02:40:45.130 --> 02:40:47.860
Or what did you do more of or less of?
02:40:47.860 --> 02:40:50.940
Because the agency
themselves became more familiar
02:40:51.800 --> 02:40:53.920
with the process and their own,
02:40:53.920 --> 02:40:57.193
dealing with their own fire risk.
02:40:58.740 --> 02:41:01.970
I do wanna invite the board
if any of you have comments
02:41:01.970 --> 02:41:04.470
or questions with respect to this.
02:41:04.470 --> 02:41:07.940
And I believe it was out of chats,
02:41:07.940 --> 02:41:11.190
but board member Syphard,
02:41:11.190 --> 02:41:14.570
you had a question regarding
the risk assessment blocks
02:41:14.570 --> 02:41:17.430
that's in the previous section,
02:41:17.430 --> 02:41:19.860
I'm gonna fall back to
that at the end of this,
02:41:19.860 --> 02:41:22.490
because I do know you have
some important commentary,
02:41:22.490 --> 02:41:24.240
so if you would be patient with me.
02:41:26.970 --> 02:41:27.803
No problem.
02:41:28.677 --> 02:41:31.250
And it's also related to
this whole conversation.
02:41:31.250 --> 02:41:34.210
So it'll irrelevant.
02:41:34.210 --> 02:41:36.010
As anything I
like, it's relevant.
02:41:37.610 --> 02:41:39.810
Okay, did any of the board
members have anything
02:41:39.810 --> 02:41:43.810
to either ask the
associations or agencies
02:41:43.810 --> 02:41:48.810
with respect to next steps and
to format templates Q and A?
02:41:51.911 --> 02:41:55.750
I have one comment
on why we were looking
02:41:55.750 --> 02:41:59.760
for this category setting
02:41:59.760 --> 02:42:02.430
and understanding
that everybody's unique,
02:42:02.430 --> 02:42:06.620
but we were hoping that by
having some differentiation
02:42:06.620 --> 02:42:10.320
on risk or size or whatever,
02:42:10.320 --> 02:42:13.600
I guess it all feeds into
risk that we could help
02:42:13.600 --> 02:42:16.680
some of the publicly owned utilities
02:42:16.680 --> 02:42:21.440
have a more streamlined
filing that the sec...
02:42:21.440 --> 02:42:25.710
And we should open
this to a discussion off line
02:42:25.710 --> 02:42:30.710
when we go into our template
formation conversation.
02:42:30.900 --> 02:42:35.900
But I wanted to indicate that
it wasn't just channeling each
02:42:36.400 --> 02:42:40.340
or trying to channel
several different types
02:42:40.340 --> 02:42:42.540
of utilities into one bucket,
02:42:42.540 --> 02:42:46.303
but rather to make it more
convenient in doing the WMP.
02:42:48.370 --> 02:42:50.380
Okay, fair enough.
02:42:50.380 --> 02:42:53.390
Any other comments, either
on anything in that section
02:42:53.390 --> 02:42:56.903
really the groupings or the
templates from the board?
02:42:57.894 --> 02:42:59.835
May I say a word or two?
02:42:59.835 --> 02:43:01.610
Please.
02:43:01.610 --> 02:43:03.910
So actually, I mean, I
think this is a reasonable time
02:43:03.910 --> 02:43:06.080
for me to bring up one of the points
02:43:06.080 --> 02:43:07.730
that I wanna talk about which is,
02:43:08.700 --> 02:43:12.150
I think to reiterate what you
all my fellow board members
02:43:12.150 --> 02:43:15.140
have described that
we're looking to understand
02:43:15.140 --> 02:43:17.700
the complexity of and the uniqueness
02:43:17.700 --> 02:43:20.850
of each of the utilities
and trying to gather
02:43:20.850 --> 02:43:23.840
that information through
streamlining the process.
02:43:23.840 --> 02:43:26.023
And as an example of that,
02:43:27.010 --> 02:43:29.570
the things that I was
looking for were like
02:43:29.570 --> 02:43:31.900
what are the prevailing
winds in the region?
02:43:31.900 --> 02:43:34.933
What are the vegetation
and topographic differences
02:43:34.933 --> 02:43:38.250
between this particular
utility and others
02:43:38.250 --> 02:43:40.290
and how are those nuanced throughout
02:43:40.290 --> 02:43:44.220
even the service territory
of an individual utility?
02:43:44.220 --> 02:43:47.550
So that uniqueness can be very complex.
02:43:47.550 --> 02:43:51.040
It's basically trying to
describe the fire environment
02:43:51.040 --> 02:43:53.860
for every particular utility.
02:43:53.860 --> 02:43:56.430
And I think we try to
streamline the conversation
02:43:56.430 --> 02:43:59.760
about whether it's in or not in HSTV
02:44:00.890 --> 02:44:04.730
and that we were making
that a uniform category,
02:44:04.730 --> 02:44:09.140
but those details
about age of vegetation,
02:44:09.140 --> 02:44:10.630
on what type of topography
02:44:10.630 --> 02:44:13.660
and what type of wind
speeds on an average day,
02:44:13.660 --> 02:44:16.940
and then a high fire threat
day or a particular Santa Ana
02:44:16.940 --> 02:44:20.690
or Diablo wind really
define that for me.
02:44:20.690 --> 02:44:25.690
And so I guess my request is
to be able to try to find a way
02:44:27.526 --> 02:44:32.526
to describe that in a
more environmental way
02:44:32.900 --> 02:44:34.180
that we all understand.
02:44:34.180 --> 02:44:36.420
I'm sort of leveraging on what Alex,
02:44:36.420 --> 02:44:38.120
board member Syphard was saying earlier
02:44:38.120 --> 02:44:41.130
is that how do we gather maps from you
02:44:41.130 --> 02:44:43.710
that help describe these relative risks
02:44:44.890 --> 02:44:47.720
and what they're trying to tell us.
02:44:47.720 --> 02:44:49.260
So I think there's some
place in the middle
02:44:49.260 --> 02:44:52.400
that we're all basically
saying the same thing,
02:44:52.400 --> 02:44:53.723
that's my comment for now.
02:44:55.560 --> 02:44:56.890
Thank you board member Block.
02:44:56.890 --> 02:44:59.220
This is Berry Moline, I
have a question about that,
02:44:59.220 --> 02:45:03.410
and that is would you find that
that would have more meaning
02:45:03.410 --> 02:45:08.410
in a rural utility compared
to an urban utility?
02:45:08.730 --> 02:45:10.478
So for example, Burbank,
02:45:10.478 --> 02:45:14.620
would that information
about weather patterns
02:45:14.620 --> 02:45:18.550
make as much sense for
them or Anaheim, for example,
02:45:18.550 --> 02:45:23.550
compared to Trinity in the
North or something like that?
02:45:23.950 --> 02:45:26.650
I mean, I think there's
significant nuance there.
02:45:26.650 --> 02:45:31.200
So Burbank and a number of the urban,
02:45:31.200 --> 02:45:32.540
a lot of the Los Angeles,
02:45:32.540 --> 02:45:37.354
urban fringe regions
have these vegetated areas
02:45:37.354 --> 02:45:40.070
that would feed into the urban space.
02:45:40.070 --> 02:45:44.450
So some of the utilities that
I saw who are entirely urban
02:45:44.450 --> 02:45:49.300
are bordering topographic
areas that are heavily vegetated.
02:45:49.300 --> 02:45:52.700
And even though it may
not be their responsibility
02:45:52.700 --> 02:45:56.320
that the relationship of
the wind and the risk of fire
02:45:56.320 --> 02:45:58.180
coming from those regions into the area
02:45:58.180 --> 02:45:59.980
or potentially as spark
coming from the city
02:45:59.980 --> 02:46:03.233
into the wildlands does exist.
02:46:04.520 --> 02:46:06.960
And so we don't understand
fire risk unless we understand
02:46:06.960 --> 02:46:09.360
how strong the winds are and part that,
02:46:09.360 --> 02:46:12.783
which we're almost never
mentioned in these utilities,
02:46:14.435 --> 02:46:16.610
in these plans.
02:46:16.610 --> 02:46:21.500
So I think it's equally
important to describe
02:46:21.500 --> 02:46:26.500
because there's definitely a
wild land urban interface risk
02:46:28.780 --> 02:46:33.780
for even places like Burbank
compared to say Turlock,
02:46:34.500 --> 02:46:36.280
which is gonna be much more rural,
02:46:36.280 --> 02:46:39.220
but that have a very
specific risk profile
02:46:39.220 --> 02:46:44.220
related to the weather and
the topography and vegetation.
02:46:44.430 --> 02:46:46.280
Am I answering the question properly?
02:46:47.760 --> 02:46:49.103
I think so.
02:46:49.103 --> 02:46:53.920
I mean, just trying to gather
more data on the rationale
02:46:53.920 --> 02:46:55.023
behind the request.
02:46:57.370 --> 02:46:59.030
Okay, yeah.
02:46:59.030 --> 02:47:01.520
I do want quickly to
check with the operator.
02:47:01.520 --> 02:47:04.700
Do you by chance have either
Mike Webster or Randy Kreger
02:47:04.700 --> 02:47:05.533
on the phone?
02:47:10.720 --> 02:47:11.553
Hi, Ms. Edwards.
02:47:11.553 --> 02:47:13.810
We are trying to work with
the operator on Mike Webster.
02:47:13.810 --> 02:47:14.643
Chair Edward.
02:47:15.807 --> 02:47:17.823
Yes.
02:47:19.000 --> 02:47:21.500
At the danger of
stating in a fourth time
02:47:21.500 --> 02:47:24.630
in a different way, which
you've already called out to it,
02:47:24.630 --> 02:47:25.463
you don't like.
02:47:25.463 --> 02:47:30.360
But my question is in light
of first going through these
02:47:34.300 --> 02:47:36.180
plans individually,
02:47:36.180 --> 02:47:38.640
and then going through
the exercise of stepping back
02:47:38.640 --> 02:47:43.640
and going through them as a group.
02:47:43.810 --> 02:47:47.610
There's a number of
patterns that emerged.
02:47:47.610 --> 02:47:49.340
And I could see,
02:47:49.340 --> 02:47:53.413
there are some things that
are in common with all utilities
02:47:53.413 --> 02:47:57.200
that have facilities in
high firefight district area.
02:47:57.200 --> 02:48:00.840
There's obviously, it's different
for in the Southern region
02:48:00.840 --> 02:48:03.630
because the amount of fuel is different
02:48:03.630 --> 02:48:06.170
than in the Northern region.
02:48:06.170 --> 02:48:10.590
We get that, but there
were a lot of best practices
02:48:10.590 --> 02:48:14.890
and there were a lot
of particular analyses
02:48:14.890 --> 02:48:16.680
that were done over and over again,
02:48:16.680 --> 02:48:19.400
but some utilities that
have similar profiles,
02:48:19.400 --> 02:48:22.350
we do certain analyses
over sectionalizers
02:48:22.350 --> 02:48:25.820
or lightning arresters
or expulsion fuses
02:48:25.820 --> 02:48:28.120
and then other ones would be silent.
02:48:28.120 --> 02:48:32.470
And like I don't know if
that analysis was done.
02:48:32.470 --> 02:48:36.970
And so I think that there
might be some facility or faculty
02:48:36.970 --> 02:48:40.840
or advantage to this board perhaps,
02:48:40.840 --> 02:48:45.530
working with the POUs to
share those best practices
02:48:48.060 --> 02:48:51.140
or not to share them exactly.
02:48:51.140 --> 02:48:52.600
We're not gonna do the work,
02:48:52.600 --> 02:48:56.440
but to facilitate that
transfer so that we could see
02:48:56.440 --> 02:49:01.440
consistently that are based
on different risk profiles,
02:49:02.260 --> 02:49:07.260
that all the analysis was
done and is able to facilitate
02:49:08.120 --> 02:49:10.540
those transfer of best practices.
02:49:10.540 --> 02:49:14.350
So it's hard to deal
with each 50 individually,
02:49:14.350 --> 02:49:18.410
but you represent or
particularly represent
02:49:18.410 --> 02:49:19.600
conglomerate of them.
02:49:19.600 --> 02:49:23.320
So maybe there's some
facilities, there's some utility,
02:49:23.320 --> 02:49:26.073
there for us to be able to work together
02:49:26.073 --> 02:49:28.830
so that these welfare mitigation
plans are more effective
02:49:28.830 --> 02:49:30.490
in the future.
02:49:30.490 --> 02:49:31.323
That's a good point.
02:49:31.323 --> 02:49:33.940
I think that was the point
Barry was trying to speak to.
02:49:35.211 --> 02:49:37.350
This is my buster, can
anybody hear me by chance?
02:49:37.350 --> 02:49:38.290
No.
02:49:38.290 --> 02:49:40.793
I think we should all
be quiet and not answer.
02:49:41.820 --> 02:49:44.316
Michael, Mike,
we got ya. (laughing)
02:49:44.316 --> 02:49:45.350
Have you been-
02:49:45.350 --> 02:49:47.583
That was very, very
difficult, but I'm on.
02:49:48.581 --> 02:49:50.930
(laughing)
02:49:50.930 --> 02:49:51.763
Have you had,
02:49:51.763 --> 02:49:54.480
are you just joining us or
have you had the benefit
02:49:54.480 --> 02:49:56.220
of some the discussion over the last.
02:49:56.220 --> 02:49:59.890
I've been participating
in watching and listening,
02:49:59.890 --> 02:50:03.160
although you haven't heard
me speak, unfortunately.
02:50:03.160 --> 02:50:04.720
Maybe that's a good thing.
02:50:04.720 --> 02:50:06.553
I was hoping
though for just that.
02:50:08.127 --> 02:50:11.530
Given this particular topic
02:50:11.530 --> 02:50:14.150
and certainly your familiarity
with your Southern California
02:50:14.150 --> 02:50:15.900
membership, what are your thoughts?
02:50:16.860 --> 02:50:21.860
So I kinda liked the idea of
having a quick directory type
02:50:22.810 --> 02:50:26.980
checklist that was brought
up so that you can actually get
02:50:26.980 --> 02:50:30.020
very quick read on
the different utilities
02:50:30.020 --> 02:50:34.327
because I have Seritos and
Colton all the way up to LADWP.
02:50:34.327 --> 02:50:36.010
And I don't speak for the members.
02:50:36.010 --> 02:50:39.430
We coordinate with the members,
we try to help the members,
02:50:39.430 --> 02:50:44.020
but I am quite concerned
about trying to come up
02:50:44.020 --> 02:50:46.910
with categories for the members.
02:50:46.910 --> 02:50:49.640
Because if you put
somebody into a category
02:50:49.640 --> 02:50:51.410
and they may be considered low risk,
02:50:51.410 --> 02:50:54.670
and then you have some
event where a wildfire
02:50:54.670 --> 02:50:59.670
has kicked off, I think we'd
be held to a standard of,
02:51:00.840 --> 02:51:02.810
well, why didn't you address those risks
02:51:02.810 --> 02:51:05.970
in a comprehensive
wildfire mitigation plan?
02:51:05.970 --> 02:51:08.350
So I think that there's things
we can do to make it easier
02:51:08.350 --> 02:51:12.780
for the board to take the information
02:51:12.780 --> 02:51:14.370
and categorize themselves.
02:51:14.370 --> 02:51:16.990
But I don't think we want
to impose a categorization
02:51:16.990 --> 02:51:20.100
on the utility so that they
can address the issues
02:51:20.100 --> 02:51:23.170
as they think are appropriate
for their communities
02:51:23.170 --> 02:51:26.040
and for their boards
and governing bodies.
02:51:26.040 --> 02:51:27.010
I see what you're saying,
02:51:27.010 --> 02:51:30.390
though there are a lot of commonalities
02:51:30.390 --> 02:51:33.250
and perhaps risk isn't one of them.
02:51:33.250 --> 02:51:35.610
And I will remind you
of the title of this group.
02:51:35.610 --> 02:51:38.090
We are advising you guys,
02:51:38.090 --> 02:51:40.730
we're trying to offer
these areas of expertise up
02:51:40.730 --> 02:51:43.420
to the publicly owned community
02:51:43.420 --> 02:51:47.770
and our recommendations
just simply go to those agencies.
02:51:47.770 --> 02:51:50.790
So it's important for
us to all find a way
02:51:50.790 --> 02:51:52.880
to take advantage.
02:51:52.880 --> 02:51:56.930
I mean, what Alex and Jessica
know alone about mapping
02:51:56.930 --> 02:52:00.110
and fire safety and risk is a lot more
02:52:00.110 --> 02:52:01.690
than I certainly know.
02:52:01.690 --> 02:52:04.340
So I want us to develop a methodology
02:52:04.340 --> 02:52:06.760
where we can extract that,
02:52:06.760 --> 02:52:09.620
we can include useful
information in the plans.
02:52:09.620 --> 02:52:11.950
We can all learn from one another
02:52:11.950 --> 02:52:14.960
and we're not putting
this burden on you, per se.
02:52:14.960 --> 02:52:19.010
We put up a stocking horse
of this is how we would do it,
02:52:19.010 --> 02:52:23.330
but if you have ideas
as to how better to do it,
02:52:23.330 --> 02:52:24.300
I think that's fine.
02:52:24.300 --> 02:52:25.510
And I do know the difficulty
02:52:25.510 --> 02:52:27.380
in making a statement like that
02:52:27.380 --> 02:52:29.170
when you have dissimilar members,
02:52:29.170 --> 02:52:32.900
all of whom would have a
different ideas to how to respond.
02:52:32.900 --> 02:52:34.820
We are sensitive to that.
02:52:34.820 --> 02:52:35.890
Chair Edwards-
02:52:35.890 --> 02:52:38.900
May I just had one item
that I think that our members
02:52:38.900 --> 02:52:41.840
have talked about has
been extremely helpful
02:52:41.840 --> 02:52:44.470
is the sharing of best practices.
02:52:44.470 --> 02:52:47.080
SCPPA, we have a history
of sharing best practices
02:52:47.080 --> 02:52:49.190
in a wide variety of areas,
02:52:49.190 --> 02:52:52.780
but this is one where I
think it's especially important.
02:52:52.780 --> 02:52:56.820
So there may be some
practices that are just truly
02:52:56.820 --> 02:53:00.570
outstanding in Northern
California that our utilities need
02:53:00.570 --> 02:53:01.403
to hear about.
02:53:01.403 --> 02:53:05.370
So the more that this
board can facilitate topical
02:53:05.370 --> 02:53:08.840
discussions on what the
very best techniques are,
02:53:08.840 --> 02:53:12.640
is how we're actually going
to improve the knowledge
02:53:12.640 --> 02:53:15.423
and ability of our other utilities.
02:53:16.340 --> 02:53:19.263
And I would just recommend
that that's our focus area.
02:53:20.545 --> 02:53:21.850
And this is Scott as well.
02:53:21.850 --> 02:53:26.503
I definitely would like
to echo that 100%.
02:53:27.530 --> 02:53:31.510
I also think in terms of where
the educational forums help
02:53:31.510 --> 02:53:32.620
these best practices,
02:53:32.620 --> 02:53:35.000
we have our own respective
superintendents groups.
02:53:35.000 --> 02:53:37.760
So we get down into the lower levels
02:53:37.760 --> 02:53:41.270
of dealing with the utilities
that are on the ground,
02:53:41.270 --> 02:53:43.530
dealing with this stuff and
sharing those best practices.
02:53:43.530 --> 02:53:47.250
So if there's any suggestion
that we don't do that already,
02:53:47.250 --> 02:53:51.720
I hope that sort of, we can
kind of change that direction.
02:53:51.720 --> 02:53:53.460
That there's a lot more
that needs to be done,
02:53:53.460 --> 02:53:56.810
but I will say things like
what you've put together today
02:53:56.810 --> 02:53:59.380
to have six presentations
on the front end
02:53:59.380 --> 02:54:01.370
to talk about a lot of those practices,
02:54:01.370 --> 02:54:05.860
those are the things that
really help inform each utility
02:54:05.860 --> 02:54:08.080
as they take into consideration things
02:54:08.080 --> 02:54:10.400
that they would change
for 2021 and beyond.
02:54:10.400 --> 02:54:14.180
And so the plans
themselves are really written
02:54:14.180 --> 02:54:16.970
to serve the communities
that they actually are trying
02:54:16.970 --> 02:54:17.803
to protect.
02:54:17.803 --> 02:54:20.530
And of course, number one
on our list is public safety.
02:54:20.530 --> 02:54:23.060
So we're not gonna short
trip any of that when it comes
02:54:23.060 --> 02:54:25.910
to wildfire mitigation and the life.
02:54:25.910 --> 02:54:29.270
So we have our audiences as our members.
02:54:29.270 --> 02:54:32.710
And the challenge is to try
and provide the information
02:54:32.710 --> 02:54:35.470
in the way that you can do an analysis.
02:54:35.470 --> 02:54:38.580
And then identify areas where
there might be vulnerabilities
02:54:38.580 --> 02:54:41.960
or some gaps and provide
us with recommendations
02:54:41.960 --> 02:54:44.120
for how we might improve
our plans in the future
02:54:44.120 --> 02:54:47.950
with the idea that it
may not apply to utility A,
02:54:47.950 --> 02:54:49.540
but it may apply to utility B.
02:54:49.540 --> 02:54:51.080
So it's that information sharing
02:54:51.080 --> 02:54:54.590
that's just so critical
to making it work for us
02:54:54.590 --> 02:54:57.070
as a group of utilities.
02:54:57.070 --> 02:54:57.970
I would agree.
02:54:57.970 --> 02:55:01.280
And I would thank our
analysts for being the ones
02:55:01.280 --> 02:55:03.440
who thought we should
really surface a workshop,
02:55:03.440 --> 02:55:06.810
so we had an opportunity
to talk about it in detail.
02:55:06.810 --> 02:55:09.300
But what I would like to see back,
02:55:09.300 --> 02:55:13.820
difficulty level not
withstanding is suggestions.
02:55:13.820 --> 02:55:16.600
I get the no, we don't wanna do this.
02:55:16.600 --> 02:55:18.300
That's fine and I understand it.
02:55:18.300 --> 02:55:23.210
But let's entertain what
we can do, would wanna do.
02:55:23.210 --> 02:55:27.120
What bifurcations are indeed possible.
02:55:27.120 --> 02:55:31.100
And we can also include
questions from our stance to try
02:55:31.100 --> 02:55:32.010
to lean clarity.
02:55:32.010 --> 02:55:33.560
And to those, it's fine to say,
02:55:33.560 --> 02:55:35.883
well, that wouldn't work and here's why.
02:55:36.730 --> 02:55:38.503
That's a reasonably good answer.
02:55:39.460 --> 02:55:41.370
Do I have any more board
members who have to,
02:55:41.370 --> 02:55:44.163
wanna add on a statement
or ask a question?
02:55:45.408 --> 02:55:49.400
I just wanted to clarify,
well, I'm making sure.
02:55:49.400 --> 02:55:50.560
Just wanna clarify.
02:55:50.560 --> 02:55:53.987
I was only talking in terms
of the WMPs and dont's
02:55:56.477 --> 02:55:58.010
or best practices.
02:55:58.010 --> 02:56:01.920
So we're not trying
to run your utilities
02:56:01.920 --> 02:56:03.900
or tell you how to run them.
02:56:03.900 --> 02:56:06.597
Mr. Mader is used
to going after the IOUs
02:56:07.464 --> 02:56:12.464
and he's now accustoming
himself to the cooperation level
02:56:13.030 --> 02:56:13.863
of the POUs.
02:56:16.280 --> 02:56:17.900
I wanna check with Jessica Nelson
02:56:17.900 --> 02:56:19.430
and make sure she doesn't have anything
02:56:19.430 --> 02:56:21.710
she wants to add to this discussion.
02:56:21.710 --> 02:56:23.370
Jesse, you still there?
02:56:23.370 --> 02:56:25.280
I'm still here,
can you hear me?
02:56:25.280 --> 02:56:26.470
Yes.
02:56:26.470 --> 02:56:29.120
Great, thank you for
the invitation to participate.
02:56:29.120 --> 02:56:30.780
And I really just wanna echo
02:56:30.780 --> 02:56:33.583
what my colleagues have shared.
02:56:35.288 --> 02:56:39.360
We really appreciate
your ongoing recognition
02:56:39.360 --> 02:56:42.070
that each utility is unique,
02:56:42.070 --> 02:56:43.750
but we also want to make sure
02:56:43.750 --> 02:56:47.530
that you maximize your efficiency.
02:56:47.530 --> 02:56:50.210
And so I think we would
welcome the opportunity
02:56:50.210 --> 02:56:52.540
to provide clarifying
information upfront
02:56:52.540 --> 02:56:57.540
to help you assess our
wildfire mitigation plans
02:56:59.900 --> 02:57:03.700
and make it an efficient
assessment for you as well.
02:57:03.700 --> 02:57:08.440
And then allow us to focus
our efforts on best practices
02:57:08.440 --> 02:57:09.560
and information sharing.
02:57:09.560 --> 02:57:12.980
And maybe that upfront key,
02:57:12.980 --> 02:57:16.360
a cover page with some
specifical information will help us
02:57:16.360 --> 02:57:21.230
kind of be able to
look to our other utilities
02:57:21.230 --> 02:57:26.230
and see how is someone
who's most like my utility doing,
02:57:29.200 --> 02:57:30.200
implementing things
02:57:30.200 --> 02:57:32.950
and maybe there's
something to learn from them.
02:57:32.950 --> 02:57:37.250
And so I think, I understand
where you're going
02:57:37.250 --> 02:57:41.000
with wanting to get
that clarifying information
02:57:41.000 --> 02:57:42.220
about each of us,
02:57:42.220 --> 02:57:45.744
so that we can really
maximize our efficiency
02:57:45.744 --> 02:57:47.850
and take care of our community.
02:57:47.850 --> 02:57:51.130
So thank you very
much, I appreciate that.
02:57:51.130 --> 02:57:52.450
Board members last chance.
02:57:52.450 --> 02:57:55.610
And as I said, I'm
gonna fall back quickly
02:57:55.610 --> 02:57:57.460
to the risk assessment portion.
02:57:57.460 --> 02:58:02.050
And I will apologize because I
was the one who was rushing
02:58:02.890 --> 02:58:04.440
this Mr. Porter like usual.
02:58:04.440 --> 02:58:09.440
So if you would permit us
falling back to risk assessment
02:58:11.020 --> 02:58:13.580
as a portion of that last bit,
02:58:13.580 --> 02:58:16.610
the recommendations were
on details of infrastructure risk
02:58:16.610 --> 02:58:18.730
and situational awareness technology.
02:58:18.730 --> 02:58:22.480
And that Bagley-Keene group
was made up of board members,
02:58:22.480 --> 02:58:24.750
Maynard, Syphard and Block.
02:58:24.750 --> 02:58:27.430
And I'd like to entertain some comments
02:58:27.430 --> 02:58:28.580
from the three of them.
02:58:30.370 --> 02:58:31.920
Mr. Mader, why don't you start?
02:58:35.920 --> 02:58:36.753
You're muted.
02:58:40.270 --> 02:58:42.200
On risk assessments?
02:58:42.200 --> 02:58:43.033
Mm-hmm.
02:58:44.210 --> 02:58:49.210
So my perception was that
when reviewing these plans
02:58:52.880 --> 02:58:55.930
that some utility did a deeper dive
02:58:55.930 --> 02:59:00.930
on potential other
areas that were high risk,
02:59:00.960 --> 02:59:05.100
but almost all of them did
a fantastic job identifying
02:59:06.220 --> 02:59:08.787
the facilities in
their service territory
02:59:08.787 --> 02:59:11.323
that were in the high
fire site district areas.
02:59:13.204 --> 02:59:17.120
There was an analysis of
whether or not to use reclose,
02:59:17.120 --> 02:59:21.063
blocking where the
impact of the community.
02:59:22.020 --> 02:59:24.400
And that's what I was looking for.
02:59:24.400 --> 02:59:27.220
I was looking for
identification of where they are
02:59:31.090 --> 02:59:34.710
but what I didn't see
the uniform application
02:59:34.710 --> 02:59:37.830
or statement of the analysis
of some of the basics
02:59:37.830 --> 02:59:40.790
like expulsion, getting
rid of explosive fields
02:59:40.790 --> 02:59:41.623
is everywhere.
02:59:41.623 --> 02:59:46.320
The analysis of that or an
analysis of the lightening arrest
02:59:46.320 --> 02:59:48.800
or things like that.
02:59:48.800 --> 02:59:53.420
Those I would like to see,
I'm sure that they were done,
02:59:53.420 --> 02:59:58.420
but we're advising the POUs on their WMP
02:59:59.660 --> 03:00:01.360
and we'd like to see these analysis done
03:00:01.360 --> 03:00:04.263
so that we know that
these were addressed.
03:00:06.090 --> 03:00:07.023
We wanna verify.
03:00:08.520 --> 03:00:09.470
That makes sense.
03:00:10.390 --> 03:00:11.223
Anything else?
03:00:12.334 --> 03:00:14.357
No, not this time.
03:00:14.357 --> 03:00:15.993
Board member Syphard.
03:00:19.230 --> 03:00:21.550
Yeah, I don't
have anything either.
03:00:21.550 --> 03:00:23.880
I think Jessica, board member Block
03:00:23.880 --> 03:00:26.230
has something to say about this.
03:00:26.230 --> 03:00:27.910
All right, thank you very much.
03:00:27.910 --> 03:00:29.630
Board member Block.
03:00:29.630 --> 03:00:32.070
So actually some of
the stuff I'm about to say
03:00:32.070 --> 03:00:34.720
comes from the rest of my
board members in this BK,
03:00:34.720 --> 03:00:38.910
but I think the purpose
of the risk assessment
03:00:38.910 --> 03:00:41.810
has a lot to do with this
emerging technology
03:00:41.810 --> 03:00:43.630
of weather stations and cameras
03:00:43.630 --> 03:00:46.380
that the IOUs have invested in.
03:00:46.380 --> 03:00:51.380
I was glad to see how some
of the POUs were leveraging
03:00:51.470 --> 03:00:54.420
the partnerships with the IOUs
and using their same assets.
03:00:55.850 --> 03:00:57.820
And so that's useful.
03:00:57.820 --> 03:01:00.590
I really was looking for
what weather stations
03:01:00.590 --> 03:01:02.870
were in those POU service territories
03:01:02.870 --> 03:01:05.250
that potentially the IOUs had installed
03:01:05.250 --> 03:01:08.373
and what those stations are reading.
03:01:10.150 --> 03:01:14.080
But there were some basic questions
03:01:14.080 --> 03:01:15.850
that were also
interesting to me in terms
03:01:15.850 --> 03:01:17.500
of understanding risk assessment.
03:01:19.000 --> 03:01:20.180
Is there any HSTD?
03:01:20.180 --> 03:01:24.850
What type of prevailing
vegetation types do you have?
03:01:24.850 --> 03:01:28.640
What are the dominant eco
regions in your service territory?
03:01:28.640 --> 03:01:33.210
So are you a desert shrub,
03:01:33.210 --> 03:01:34.670
Chaparral type of environment?
03:01:34.670 --> 03:01:36.910
Or are you kind of a
forest type of environment?
03:01:36.910 --> 03:01:38.780
What kind of trees do you
have in your environment?
03:01:38.780 --> 03:01:40.290
In your service territory?
03:01:40.290 --> 03:01:41.350
Are there trees at all?
03:01:41.350 --> 03:01:44.233
If so, what kinds,
what are the non-native,
03:01:45.180 --> 03:01:48.610
what is their habit for
stretching and breaking?
03:01:48.610 --> 03:01:53.610
What kind of rescue do
you have for invading grasses
03:01:56.210 --> 03:01:58.010
under under the poles?
03:01:58.010 --> 03:02:03.010
You know these sort of
monitoring of the environment details
03:02:03.200 --> 03:02:05.060
that would be helpful
for understanding risk
03:02:05.060 --> 03:02:06.913
as a unique POU.
03:02:07.970 --> 03:02:11.610
So that's expanding on what I mentioned
03:02:11.610 --> 03:02:12.760
just a few minutes ago.
03:02:13.740 --> 03:02:15.260
Okay, good.
03:02:15.260 --> 03:02:17.547
You do bring up one
other small thing for me.
03:02:17.547 --> 03:02:22.077
And that's the issue of
information sharing the cost,
03:02:22.077 --> 03:02:23.973
the POU-IOU line.
03:02:25.430 --> 03:02:28.650
Some agencies have a
reasonable working relationship
03:02:28.650 --> 03:02:31.380
and other POUs are told by their IOU
03:02:31.380 --> 03:02:35.123
that they can read it when it
goes public and not before.
03:02:36.590 --> 03:02:40.590
We should talk as a board to
what extent we could facilitate
03:02:41.450 --> 03:02:46.210
a degree of greater information
sharing across that line,
03:02:46.210 --> 03:02:47.740
because I think it can do nothing
03:02:47.740 --> 03:02:50.750
but advantage everyone.
03:02:50.750 --> 03:02:52.460
And I have heard that anecdotally
03:02:52.460 --> 03:02:55.593
is an issue from a number of folks.
03:02:57.270 --> 03:03:00.750
Any more comments by
the board on the risk portion.
03:03:00.750 --> 03:03:03.673
And again, my apologies
board member Porter for rushing.
03:03:06.700 --> 03:03:07.533
Okay.
03:03:11.630 --> 03:03:15.023
I have one comment
in this section, if I may.
03:03:16.282 --> 03:03:18.060
On inspection in general
before you move on.
03:03:18.060 --> 03:03:20.120
Sure, now, go ahead.
03:03:20.120 --> 03:03:20.953
Thanks.
03:03:20.953 --> 03:03:25.660
I wanna thank the associations
for giving us this feedback
03:03:25.660 --> 03:03:29.260
and that's exactly how
we design this report.
03:03:29.260 --> 03:03:32.850
If you notice we watermark
draft in very large letters
03:03:32.850 --> 03:03:37.240
on every page and
you have an opportunity
03:03:37.240 --> 03:03:40.120
for public comment, which is coming up
03:03:40.120 --> 03:03:44.060
and that's going to be for
our December 9th meeting.
03:03:44.060 --> 03:03:45.530
We'll talk about that more at the end,
03:03:45.530 --> 03:03:49.400
but I really, I think
I'm speaking on behalf
03:03:49.400 --> 03:03:51.610
of the entire board
03:03:51.610 --> 03:03:56.340
when I say we appreciate
having this open discussion,
03:03:56.340 --> 03:03:59.480
we don't have any
ex party prohibitations.
03:03:59.480 --> 03:04:02.657
We actually don't make
any binding decisions
03:04:02.657 --> 03:04:03.963
`cause we're advisory.
03:04:05.210 --> 03:04:08.270
So this is very, very useful to us
03:04:08.270 --> 03:04:12.270
to look at our recommendations
03:04:12.270 --> 03:04:16.530
and then help us shape it
into something that's usable,
03:04:16.530 --> 03:04:21.530
content rich, utility
specific and succinct.
03:04:21.870 --> 03:04:25.120
So thanks for your participation
03:04:25.120 --> 03:04:27.193
and your crank, if that's today.
03:04:29.120 --> 03:04:30.670
Thank you, Vice-chair, Fellman.
03:04:31.760 --> 03:04:34.540
We'll talk about some of
the additional conversations
03:04:34.540 --> 03:04:35.373
going forward.
03:04:35.373 --> 03:04:39.000
What I'd like to do quickly
is check with Katherine
03:04:39.920 --> 03:04:41.250
regarding the web chat
03:04:41.250 --> 03:04:44.150
and see if we have any public
questions that have come in.
03:04:45.680 --> 03:04:46.513
We don't,
03:04:46.513 --> 03:04:48.370
but I would just like
to take this moment
03:04:48.370 --> 03:04:53.210
to encourage folks who are listening in.
03:04:53.210 --> 03:04:54.880
If you'd like to make a public comment,
03:04:54.880 --> 03:04:58.830
you can do so through the operator.
03:04:58.830 --> 03:05:02.213
And let me get that phone number again.
03:05:03.410 --> 03:05:06.410
And then you can also, if
you're logged on with this WebEx,
03:05:06.410 --> 03:05:08.150
you can make a comment in the chat
03:05:08.150 --> 03:05:09.740
and we'll read that out loud.
03:05:09.740 --> 03:05:13.530
So maybe I'll flag you Marcie
03:05:13.530 --> 03:05:16.230
if we get anything before
the end of the meeting.
03:05:16.230 --> 03:05:18.623
I appreciate that
Jamie, same with email,
03:05:19.610 --> 03:05:23.020
if any come in and prior
to closing public comment,
03:05:23.020 --> 03:05:24.380
it would have been good if I opened it.
03:05:24.380 --> 03:05:26.930
But again, it's not a
formalized meeting,
03:05:26.930 --> 03:05:28.780
it's a little bit looser.
03:05:28.780 --> 03:05:30.250
All right, this is the
end of the meeting.
03:05:30.250 --> 03:05:31.780
Board members, before you run off,
03:05:31.780 --> 03:05:33.017
we're gonna have a chat subsequently.
03:05:33.017 --> 03:05:34.840
Hey, wait!
03:05:34.840 --> 03:05:36.010
Yes, ma'am.
03:05:36.010 --> 03:05:38.073
Chair Edwards, we
did get some emails.
03:05:39.640 --> 03:05:41.263
Oh, I'm painfully excited.
03:05:42.240 --> 03:05:43.157
You should be, (indistinct).
03:05:43.157 --> 03:05:44.366
How many?
03:05:44.366 --> 03:05:47.187
You said plural.
Two, yes, two emails.
03:05:47.187 --> 03:05:49.430
Why don't you go
ahead then Jamie?
03:05:49.430 --> 03:05:54.430
So the first email is
from Danny Xeroganza,
03:05:59.030 --> 03:06:02.020
consultant from Grid
Subject Matter Experts.
03:06:02.020 --> 03:06:04.170
The first is, is there any consideration
03:06:04.170 --> 03:06:07.040
in the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board
03:06:07.040 --> 03:06:10.760
drafting a guidance
document to provide specific
03:06:10.760 --> 03:06:13.180
expectations of the
independent evaluators
03:06:13.180 --> 03:06:15.283
from writing their evaluation reports?
03:06:18.060 --> 03:06:19.293
So that's the question.
03:06:20.840 --> 03:06:25.223
And the answer is,
please read the draft.
03:06:26.910 --> 03:06:28.690
The second question is,
03:06:28.690 --> 03:06:30.250
are you considering a certification
03:06:30.250 --> 03:06:33.130
for independent evaluators
or a mechanism to determine
03:06:33.130 --> 03:06:35.970
if the independent evaluator
is qualified to perform
03:06:35.970 --> 03:06:40.453
a detailed evaluation of the
POU Wildfire Mitigation Plan?
03:06:42.520 --> 03:06:45.310
Yeah, you know I'd heard
some discussion of this as well
03:06:45.310 --> 03:06:50.100
in that there was some
question as to the qualifications
03:06:50.100 --> 03:06:52.210
of those who were doing those reviews.
03:06:52.210 --> 03:06:54.600
We should discuss that as a board,
03:06:54.600 --> 03:06:57.210
as in the one hand, I don't wanna-
03:06:57.210 --> 03:06:58.710
And again, as was pointed out,
03:06:58.710 --> 03:07:01.106
our commentarian is not prescriptive,
03:07:01.106 --> 03:07:05.083
but we should discuss the
implications of that further.
03:07:07.830 --> 03:07:08.850
Those are the two you got?
03:07:08.850 --> 03:07:10.033
I got one in chat.
03:07:11.770 --> 03:07:16.770
And the other email
is directed to the board
03:07:17.000 --> 03:07:19.810
with regards to Southern
California and the city.
03:07:19.810 --> 03:07:24.810
So I will hold back on this
and we can respond to it
03:07:25.260 --> 03:07:27.033
at the appropriate time.
03:07:28.090 --> 03:07:28.923
All right.
Okay, I'm done.
03:07:28.923 --> 03:07:33.370
I have a question in shots
from a Ethan Philipmire,
03:07:34.570 --> 03:07:35.640
and the question is,
03:07:35.640 --> 03:07:38.610
will each POU be getting comments
03:07:38.610 --> 03:07:42.423
from the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board on their 2020 plan?
03:07:46.310 --> 03:07:49.870
It's something we have been discussing.
03:07:49.870 --> 03:07:52.000
And I think it's part
of the interest behind
03:07:52.000 --> 03:07:53.350
looking for those issues
03:07:53.350 --> 03:07:57.821
so that we don't maybe make
the same observation 50 times.
03:07:57.821 --> 03:08:02.680
So we could say that this is
applicable to these 17 plans
03:08:02.680 --> 03:08:05.440
or Diane, do you remember
more of the content
03:08:05.440 --> 03:08:07.130
that we were having when we were talking
03:08:07.130 --> 03:08:10.343
about individualized responses?
03:08:12.230 --> 03:08:13.063
Yes.
03:08:14.290 --> 03:08:19.290
First of all, we hear
that there is an interest
03:08:21.000 --> 03:08:24.690
in perhaps having individual responses
03:08:24.690 --> 03:08:28.300
and we started down
that path to be frank.
03:08:28.300 --> 03:08:31.502
And when we started on that path,
03:08:31.502 --> 03:08:32.691
when we got to the end of that path,
03:08:32.691 --> 03:08:36.340
we realized that these, the 2020 WMPs
03:08:37.720 --> 03:08:41.440
are really the first set
that we're looking at.
03:08:41.440 --> 03:08:43.270
And we didn't,
03:08:43.270 --> 03:08:48.170
we hadn't established any
evaluation standard eyes,
03:08:48.170 --> 03:08:53.170
evaluation criteria in the same
way the IOUs had guidelines.
03:08:54.630 --> 03:08:58.360
So what we decided to do
for this and we proposed,
03:08:58.360 --> 03:09:01.630
and we're hoping that this is again,
03:09:01.630 --> 03:09:04.760
the beginning of the
conversation about it,
03:09:04.760 --> 03:09:08.540
that we are presenting our
recommendations for format
03:09:08.540 --> 03:09:09.950
and content.
03:09:09.950 --> 03:09:13.350
And then in the subsequent years,
03:09:13.350 --> 03:09:17.310
we will be able to look
at each individual plan
03:09:17.310 --> 03:09:22.310
and determine how it
conforms with the guidelines
03:09:24.140 --> 03:09:25.573
that are established.
03:09:27.150 --> 03:09:29.260
So in short, not this run through,
03:09:29.260 --> 03:09:32.010
we're focusing on format and content,
03:09:32.010 --> 03:09:34.460
but ultimately it is in our interest.
03:09:34.460 --> 03:09:38.010
We found reading the 50 and just trying
03:09:38.010 --> 03:09:43.010
to answer the questions we
reach a lot to be quite exciting.
03:09:43.210 --> 03:09:46.320
And so it is that we
don't have enough time
03:09:46.320 --> 03:09:49.510
in this run through, I
think, to do the specifics,
03:09:49.510 --> 03:09:52.100
but I would suggest that ultimately
03:09:52.980 --> 03:09:56.290
when we do some streamlining
and it's easier to transition
03:09:56.290 --> 03:09:57.570
from one report to another,
03:09:57.570 --> 03:09:59.763
that we will lean more on specifics.
03:10:01.850 --> 03:10:04.740
And we don't have
anybody, go ahead Diana.
03:10:04.740 --> 03:10:05.573
I was just saying
03:10:05.573 --> 03:10:09.300
and we welcome any ideas
on how to do individual plans.
03:10:09.300 --> 03:10:13.840
Because we realized
that each POU and co-op
03:10:13.840 --> 03:10:18.080
has to go to their own
managers and governing boards
03:10:18.080 --> 03:10:19.460
to present their plans.
03:10:19.460 --> 03:10:23.263
So you might want an
advisory opinion on those plans.
03:10:24.272 --> 03:10:25.672
And with respect to the IEs,
03:10:26.800 --> 03:10:30.300
there was a response to
independent evaluation.
03:10:30.300 --> 03:10:34.460
We have some very
specific thoughts about that,
03:10:34.460 --> 03:10:37.450
and it's in the report and we
did see a lot of redundancy
03:10:37.450 --> 03:10:41.410
there and we want to figure
out how to make it easier
03:10:41.410 --> 03:10:46.120
to get to the heart of the
independent evaluation
03:10:46.120 --> 03:10:50.100
and perhaps make it even more economic
03:10:50.100 --> 03:10:51.743
and efficient for the POU.
03:10:54.579 --> 03:10:56.080
One of the points of confusion
03:10:56.080 --> 03:10:57.475
is that in some IE's reports,
03:10:57.475 --> 03:11:00.730
it says, well, this
utility doesn't do this,
03:11:00.730 --> 03:11:02.760
but I know of four or five more than do.
03:11:02.760 --> 03:11:05.440
And then there were two pages of things.
03:11:05.440 --> 03:11:08.760
And so it was a little
confusing for us to figure out
03:11:08.760 --> 03:11:13.097
what was applicable to
whom with some of the efforts
03:11:14.010 --> 03:11:17.010
where the IEs were kind
of putting a new name
03:11:17.010 --> 03:11:19.860
of a utility on it every
time they issued it.
03:11:19.860 --> 03:11:22.740
So we'll have to talk through that.
03:11:22.740 --> 03:11:24.490
Okay, anything else from the board?
03:11:27.070 --> 03:11:27.903
All right.
03:11:27.903 --> 03:11:30.960
Hearing nothing, we've
arrived at the end of the meeting.
03:11:30.960 --> 03:11:32.020
Things to expect,
03:11:32.020 --> 03:11:35.610
we'll be accepting public
comment on these recommendations
03:11:35.610 --> 03:11:37.740
until Monday, November 30th.
03:11:37.740 --> 03:11:39.980
We need time to
incorporate any comments,
03:11:39.980 --> 03:11:43.600
suggestions so that we
may publish a draft to vote on.
03:11:43.600 --> 03:11:47.520
And given those requirements,
I think it's 10 days, 15 days,
03:11:47.520 --> 03:11:50.080
I was forget we have to
come out with it quite a way
03:11:50.080 --> 03:11:52.940
in advance prior to our next meeting,
03:11:52.940 --> 03:11:55.223
which is on December 9th.
03:11:56.670 --> 03:11:58.450
We will have a window again
03:11:58.450 --> 03:12:02.540
for the Innisfil Utility
and Co-ops Associations
03:12:02.540 --> 03:12:06.150
and agencies to speak to the discussions
03:12:06.150 --> 03:12:08.800
they've had with their members
and some of the direction
03:12:08.800 --> 03:12:11.230
or any suggestions you may have arisen.
03:12:11.230 --> 03:12:14.180
I will assume you will be more reprising
03:12:14.180 --> 03:12:15.130
some of the written material
03:12:15.130 --> 03:12:18.783
you hopefully would be providing us.
03:12:19.790 --> 03:12:24.480
And I ask the Vice-chair
chair and the advisors,
03:12:24.480 --> 03:12:26.230
do we have any other announcements?
03:12:27.630 --> 03:12:29.063
None from the Vice-chair.
03:12:30.140 --> 03:12:32.160
Hi, this is Katherine.
03:12:32.160 --> 03:12:34.553
I just want one announcement.
03:12:36.025 --> 03:12:38.550
In the discussion about the BK groups
03:12:38.550 --> 03:12:43.520
and the grid recommendations,
03:12:43.520 --> 03:12:47.800
I just wanted to note that
that was two separate groups.
03:12:47.800 --> 03:12:51.200
We didn't have four
board members meeting.
03:12:51.200 --> 03:12:54.420
We had two separate
groups on the same topic.
03:12:54.420 --> 03:12:55.460
Yeah, that's true.
03:12:55.460 --> 03:12:57.713
For those of you who
go Bagley-Keene is what?
03:12:58.990 --> 03:13:00.790
How we have Brown Act limitations
03:13:00.790 --> 03:13:02.280
of who can talk to who?
03:13:02.280 --> 03:13:05.220
The state has these
Bagley-Keene constraints.
03:13:05.220 --> 03:13:08.330
And so the board members
cannot talk to each other,
03:13:08.330 --> 03:13:11.570
but we did have one member
who wanted to upine individually,
03:13:11.570 --> 03:13:13.260
and that's why it was listed as four.
03:13:13.260 --> 03:13:16.320
It was not an intentional
quorum discussing it.
03:13:16.320 --> 03:13:17.153
Anything else?
03:13:18.820 --> 03:13:19.653
All right.
03:13:19.653 --> 03:13:22.590
Thank you again for all of
your work and time everyone.
03:13:22.590 --> 03:13:25.760
If the board members
would stay on for a moment,
03:13:25.760 --> 03:13:27.460
we are now adjourned from the workshop.
03:13:27.460 --> 03:13:29.010
And again, thank you very much.