WEBVTT 00:00:06.170 --> 00:00:07.900 The feed for this streaming event. 00:00:07.900 --> 00:00:09.323 This conference has begun. 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:12.770 I would now like to turn it over to Jamie Ormond. 00:00:13.630 --> 00:00:15.520 Thank you very much. 00:00:15.520 --> 00:00:18.310 Welcome to the Workshop of the Wildfire Safety 00:00:18.310 --> 00:00:21.480 Advisory Board on the Publicly Owned Utility 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:25.040 and Electric Cooperative Wildfire Mitigation Plans. 00:00:25.040 --> 00:00:27.283 Today is November 18th, 2020. 00:00:27.283 --> 00:00:29.240 It's just after one o'clock 00:00:29.240 --> 00:00:32.160 and I'm just gonna go through a few housekeeping notes. 00:00:32.160 --> 00:00:35.700 First, all the information about this workshop can be found 00:00:35.700 --> 00:00:38.550 on the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board website, 00:00:38.550 --> 00:00:43.550 so that's www.cpuc.ca.gov/wsad. 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:47.630 Because this is a workshop, 00:00:47.630 --> 00:00:50.520 this meeting is being run using WebEx Events. 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:53.880 The WebEx link is available on our website 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:55.043 and on the agenda. 00:00:56.100 --> 00:00:59.150 Public comment will be at the end of today's workshop. 00:00:59.150 --> 00:01:02.550 Public, please feel free to call in +1 800-857-1917. 00:01:05.240 --> 00:01:07.543 Today's pass code is 1767567. 00:01:10.340 --> 00:01:12.837 And when you call in, you'll be in listen only mode. 00:01:12.837 --> 00:01:15.440 And if you'd like to participate during public comments, 00:01:15.440 --> 00:01:17.340 please press star one on your phone, 00:01:17.340 --> 00:01:20.170 and you'll be added to the public comment queue 00:01:20.170 --> 00:01:22.093 by our wonderful operator. 00:01:23.030 --> 00:01:25.420 Comments can be entered into the Chat during the workshop, 00:01:25.420 --> 00:01:27.570 and if there's time during each section, 00:01:27.570 --> 00:01:30.400 when the comment is received, we will attend to it. 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:33.360 Alternatively, if we have time constraints, 00:01:33.360 --> 00:01:36.950 we will work through the public comments in the Chat Box 00:01:36.950 --> 00:01:39.400 during the public comment section. 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:41.300 Public comments will also be received 00:01:41.300 --> 00:01:43.870 in the Welfare Safety Advisory Board email box 00:01:43.870 --> 00:01:44.750 and email address 00:01:44.750 --> 00:01:48.937 there is wildfiresafetyadvisoryboard@cpuc.ca.gov. 00:01:52.330 --> 00:01:56.140 This meeting is also live broadcast at the CPU's 00:01:56.140 --> 00:02:03.050 live broadcast location, adminmonitor.com/ca/cpuc. 00:02:03.050 --> 00:02:05.980 Finally, if you are experiencing technical issues, 00:02:05.980 --> 00:02:07.910 please do not hesitate to get in touch 00:02:07.910 --> 00:02:12.850 with the CPUC's public advisor by email or by phone, 00:02:12.850 --> 00:02:17.850 public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov or 866-849-8390. 00:02:23.410 --> 00:02:24.370 And now briefly, 00:02:24.370 --> 00:02:26.690 I'm gonna turn it over to Katherine Stockton 00:02:26.690 --> 00:02:29.920 to do our safety announcements. 00:02:29.920 --> 00:02:33.540 Hi, so this is the time we usually take 00:02:33.540 --> 00:02:36.070 to go over where the exits are in the room, 00:02:36.070 --> 00:02:38.053 but now that everything is virtual, 00:02:38.900 --> 00:02:40.730 please take this very brief moment 00:02:40.730 --> 00:02:45.730 to look around your surroundings and think about things like 00:02:46.750 --> 00:02:48.810 are the burners on your stove off? 00:02:48.810 --> 00:02:50.460 Did you leave the water running? 00:02:50.460 --> 00:02:52.170 Where's your nearest exit? 00:02:52.170 --> 00:02:54.360 Where's your nearest fire exit? 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:56.390 Where's your fire extinguisher? 00:02:56.390 --> 00:02:59.390 Where's the nearest phone in case you need to call for help? 00:03:01.620 --> 00:03:05.120 The next thing I will mention is that all, 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.563 can we turn to slide four, please? 00:03:08.700 --> 00:03:11.100 The next thing I'll mention is that all the materials 00:03:11.100 --> 00:03:16.100 are available on our website and that's cpuc.ca.gov/wsad. 00:03:17.970 --> 00:03:19.450 And on the website, though, 00:03:19.450 --> 00:03:21.360 you can find the agenda for today. 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.010 You can find the draft guidance advisory opinion 00:03:25.010 --> 00:03:27.170 that the board will be presenting today. 00:03:27.170 --> 00:03:30.970 You can find this board meeting presentation 00:03:30.970 --> 00:03:34.050 and you can find each of the individual presentations 00:03:34.050 --> 00:03:35.620 from the publicly owned utilities 00:03:35.620 --> 00:03:37.170 that will present today. 00:03:37.170 --> 00:03:38.520 I will now hand the reins 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.600 over to our distinguished Chair 00:03:41.600 --> 00:03:44.403 of the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board, Marcie Edwards. 00:03:46.010 --> 00:03:48.280 Ooh, my, okay. 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.450 So welcome to today's Wildfire Safety Advisory 00:03:50.450 --> 00:03:54.680 Board Workshop, where we will be discussing the POU 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:58.200 and co-ops wildfire mitigation plans and next steps. 00:03:58.200 --> 00:04:00.160 I'm gonna briefly run through the agenda 00:04:00.160 --> 00:04:02.960 so I can help you manage your expectations. 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.150 We're going to have an intro from the Governor's office. 00:04:06.150 --> 00:04:09.070 Then we're gonna hear presentations from the POUs 00:04:09.070 --> 00:04:12.860 on aspects of their wildfire mitigation plans. 00:04:12.860 --> 00:04:17.820 We'll have a stretch break, roughly I think around 3:00. 00:04:17.820 --> 00:04:20.260 Next the board will discuss the overall themes 00:04:20.260 --> 00:04:24.290 we saw while reviewing the POU Wildfire Mitigation Plans. 00:04:24.290 --> 00:04:27.340 Next, the board and the municipal and co-op associations 00:04:27.340 --> 00:04:29.470 will have discussion about next steps 00:04:29.470 --> 00:04:31.620 in wildfire mitigation planning. 00:04:31.620 --> 00:04:32.600 And before we close, 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:36.450 we'll certainly have a time for public comment or Q and A. 00:04:36.450 --> 00:04:37.730 As Ms. Stockton mentioned, 00:04:37.730 --> 00:04:39.320 if you'd like to get your comment to us 00:04:39.320 --> 00:04:40.960 anytime during the meeting, 00:04:40.960 --> 00:04:43.480 you can join via WebEx and use the chat function, 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:47.510 our staff will read any comments in the chat out loud. 00:04:47.510 --> 00:04:49.860 Finally, we hope to adjourn the workshop 00:04:49.860 --> 00:04:53.020 by 5:00 p.m. or earlier. 00:04:53.020 --> 00:04:54.783 I'd like to thank the publicly owned utilities 00:04:54.783 --> 00:04:56.250 who are presenting today. 00:04:56.250 --> 00:04:58.150 We appreciate the time you took 00:04:58.150 --> 00:04:59.800 to put your presentations together. 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:00.670 And more importantly, 00:05:00.670 --> 00:05:03.020 we appreciate all of the actions you've taken 00:05:03.020 --> 00:05:05.590 to help protect California from wildfire. 00:05:05.590 --> 00:05:09.370 And before we dive into the POU presentation, 00:05:09.370 --> 00:05:11.870 my pleasure to introduce Alice Reynolds, 00:05:11.870 --> 00:05:15.370 the Senior Advisor to Governor Newsom for energy issues 00:05:15.370 --> 00:05:17.583 and the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board. 00:05:18.710 --> 00:05:19.543 Ms. Reynolds. 00:05:20.630 --> 00:05:21.610 Thank you Marcie. 00:05:21.610 --> 00:05:24.760 And thanks also to your staff 00:05:24.760 --> 00:05:26.940 for so ably putting this together. 00:05:26.940 --> 00:05:28.953 It's interesting that in normal times 00:05:28.953 --> 00:05:31.740 we will all be sitting in a room together, 00:05:31.740 --> 00:05:36.510 but we are somehow able to manage workshops like this, 00:05:36.510 --> 00:05:41.510 including public participation and still all stay safe 00:05:41.820 --> 00:05:43.110 in these strange times. 00:05:43.110 --> 00:05:46.720 So I just wanted to recognize how the efforts of your staff 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:50.090 to pull this all together and allow us to continue 00:05:50.090 --> 00:05:53.830 to do our important work during these times. 00:05:53.830 --> 00:05:56.043 And I am really pleased to be here. 00:05:57.030 --> 00:06:01.530 It's a pleasure for me to be able to participate 00:06:01.530 --> 00:06:02.363 in this meeting. 00:06:02.363 --> 00:06:04.910 I've been tracking the activities of this board, 00:06:04.910 --> 00:06:06.883 literally since the inception, 00:06:09.014 --> 00:06:11.290 but I've not been able to see it in action yet. 00:06:11.290 --> 00:06:14.000 And so I'm hoping to stick around for a little bit 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:14.980 of the meeting. 00:06:14.980 --> 00:06:17.310 I did wanna recognize the commitment 00:06:17.310 --> 00:06:21.780 of each of the board members, your expertise, 00:06:21.780 --> 00:06:24.700 your dedication, your thoughtfulness to these issues 00:06:24.700 --> 00:06:26.603 is so very much appreciated. 00:06:27.660 --> 00:06:30.190 Wildfire mitigation is something that affects 00:06:30.190 --> 00:06:32.680 every single Californian in one way or another, 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:36.260 from our health and wellbeing to the impacts on our economy 00:06:36.260 --> 00:06:41.080 as was made, unfortunately very clear this fire season. 00:06:41.080 --> 00:06:45.450 So your efforts are really more important now than ever. 00:06:45.450 --> 00:06:48.370 And I just wanted to start by thanking all of you 00:06:48.370 --> 00:06:50.650 for all of your work, your continued work 00:06:50.650 --> 00:06:55.470 and you're really bringing all of your expertise 00:06:55.470 --> 00:06:57.823 to the table on behalf of the state. 00:06:58.950 --> 00:07:02.470 And then getting to the subject of this workshop, 00:07:02.470 --> 00:07:06.370 I also wanted to thank the publicly owned utilities 00:07:06.370 --> 00:07:09.863 and the electric cooperatives who are participating. 00:07:11.750 --> 00:07:14.730 This forum, I think is a little bit unusual 00:07:14.730 --> 00:07:19.230 because it's not like the normal CPUC process 00:07:19.230 --> 00:07:21.890 where the CPUC regulates the investor-owned utilities. 00:07:21.890 --> 00:07:26.490 We're actually in this forum reaching out 00:07:26.490 --> 00:07:29.300 beyond the jurisdiction of the CPUC 00:07:29.300 --> 00:07:34.300 and hoping to bring the best practices and the thinking 00:07:35.700 --> 00:07:39.080 and all of the work that the publicly-owned utilities 00:07:39.080 --> 00:07:42.550 and electric cooperatives are doing for the purposes 00:07:42.550 --> 00:07:44.490 of sharing best practices, 00:07:44.490 --> 00:07:47.540 sharing the information with partners 00:07:47.540 --> 00:07:50.850 and helping the state as a whole tackle 00:07:50.850 --> 00:07:52.793 these really difficult issues. 00:07:53.640 --> 00:07:57.730 I know that that's a challenge probably more so for each one 00:07:57.730 --> 00:08:00.940 of you than it is for the large investor-owned utilities, 00:08:00.940 --> 00:08:03.780 because you're obviously not monolithic. 00:08:03.780 --> 00:08:06.520 Each one of your characters is very, very different. 00:08:06.520 --> 00:08:11.310 And so I just wanted to state my appreciation 00:08:11.310 --> 00:08:15.030 for the work that has already been done, 00:08:15.030 --> 00:08:16.420 and the continued work. 00:08:16.420 --> 00:08:19.910 I'm really looking forward to a productive workshop today. 00:08:19.910 --> 00:08:22.840 And I think that lots can come out of this 00:08:22.840 --> 00:08:24.530 by all putting our heads together. 00:08:24.530 --> 00:08:29.270 And I thank the board for organizing this and make it happen 00:08:29.270 --> 00:08:32.490 and thank all of the participants for showing up 00:08:32.490 --> 00:08:35.270 and bringing what they have to contribute 00:08:35.270 --> 00:08:37.150 to the discussion today. 00:08:37.150 --> 00:08:37.983 So with that, 00:08:37.983 --> 00:08:42.983 I will turn it back over to Marcie and I'm looking forward 00:08:43.680 --> 00:08:45.980 to a productive afternoon. 00:08:45.980 --> 00:08:46.813 Thanks everyone. 00:08:48.230 --> 00:08:50.170 Great, thank you so much, Ms. Reynolds. 00:08:50.170 --> 00:08:51.800 We really appreciate you taking the time 00:08:51.800 --> 00:08:53.163 to be with us today. 00:08:54.410 --> 00:08:58.220 Okay, certainly it should go without saying my thanks 00:08:58.220 --> 00:09:00.050 are out to the POUs and co-ops 00:09:00.050 --> 00:09:02.100 for all of the work they did. 00:09:02.100 --> 00:09:07.100 And as we read the submittals, we were very pleased 00:09:07.770 --> 00:09:12.040 to find there are portions that are simply excellent. 00:09:12.040 --> 00:09:13.281 We reached out to the utilities 00:09:13.281 --> 00:09:17.460 that we thought we did a particularly really good job 00:09:17.460 --> 00:09:21.520 on some of their sections and asked them to share aspects 00:09:21.520 --> 00:09:24.810 of their plans with all of you today. 00:09:24.810 --> 00:09:27.840 So we're gonna start with the presentations. 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.200 And a man, at least with me, needs no introduction. 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:32.160 We're gonna start with Brian Wilbur, 00:09:32.160 --> 00:09:35.310 director of power transmission and distribution 00:09:35.310 --> 00:09:37.890 of Los Angeles Department of Water and Power. 00:09:37.890 --> 00:09:38.940 Brian, are you there? 00:09:44.050 --> 00:09:46.053 Somebody has to turn Brian on. 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:48.350 I've just done so, 00:09:48.350 --> 00:09:50.723 Mr. Wilbur, you can enable your camera, sir. 00:10:08.570 --> 00:10:10.600 Brian, can we hear you? 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:11.763 Do an audio check. 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:18.993 Operator, is Brian on the phone? 00:10:23.290 --> 00:10:24.123 We see him on the call, 00:10:24.123 --> 00:10:25.850 we're confirming that he can unmute. 00:10:27.223 --> 00:10:29.560 Huh, you're on mute Mr. Wilbur. 00:10:38.370 --> 00:10:39.203 Well. 00:10:41.230 --> 00:10:43.310 Ma'am, it looks like his line is disconnected. 00:10:43.310 --> 00:10:45.830 We'll watch for him to call back in. 00:10:45.830 --> 00:10:46.663 All right. 00:10:46.663 --> 00:10:49.080 Given that, we're gonna move to the second presentation 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:52.130 and we will fit in Brian when the technical difficulties 00:10:52.130 --> 00:10:54.750 have been solved. 00:10:54.750 --> 00:10:58.850 It's certainly my pleasure to introduce Janet Lonneker. 00:10:58.850 --> 00:11:01.630 She's the assistant general manager of electric services 00:11:01.630 --> 00:11:03.770 with Anaheim Public Utilities. 00:11:03.770 --> 00:11:04.603 Janet. 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.060 Thank you, Ms. Edwards. 00:11:09.060 --> 00:11:12.260 And I'm hoping that I can get the video back up, 00:11:12.260 --> 00:11:14.180 it was working before, but- 00:11:15.146 --> 00:11:16.017 What was the name? 00:11:16.017 --> 00:11:17.123 I don't wanna delay. 00:11:18.610 --> 00:11:20.113 Her name or the video name? 00:11:21.040 --> 00:11:23.790 Thank you for the opportunity for Anaheim 00:11:23.790 --> 00:11:26.790 to share our wildfire plan, 00:11:26.790 --> 00:11:29.673 our elements of our wildfire plan with the board today. 00:11:30.630 --> 00:11:35.010 And I would like to start first with a slide number two 00:11:37.550 --> 00:11:40.270 to give you a little bit of background about Anaheim. 00:11:40.270 --> 00:11:42.933 So Anaheim Public Utilities or APU 00:11:44.180 --> 00:11:48.600 includes our electric utility that is 125 years old, 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:53.370 as well as our water utility that is 140 years old. 00:11:53.370 --> 00:11:58.330 And we serve a diverse population of 360,000 residents 00:11:58.330 --> 00:12:02.003 as well as 20,000 businesses. 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:05.053 Right, there I am. 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:10.110 So like many communities, we've been hit hard 00:12:10.110 --> 00:12:12.570 by the ongoing pandemic, 00:12:12.570 --> 00:12:17.060 but before this year we welcomed 25 million visitors 00:12:17.060 --> 00:12:20.490 annually to our major destinations, 00:12:20.490 --> 00:12:24.133 which included Disneyland resorts, the Honda Center, 00:12:25.780 --> 00:12:30.203 our Angel Stadium and our Anaheim Convention Center. 00:12:32.580 --> 00:12:35.610 Our service territory is 50 square miles. 00:12:35.610 --> 00:12:40.030 And the wildfire prone areas are in the Eastern most portion 00:12:40.030 --> 00:12:44.750 of the city, which includes housing developments, 00:12:44.750 --> 00:12:48.083 retail and undeveloped Canyon areas. 00:12:49.880 --> 00:12:53.330 APU is one of a dozen departments that serve the city 00:12:53.330 --> 00:12:57.810 and we collaborate closely with our Anaheim Fire & Rescue 00:12:57.810 --> 00:13:01.710 and the Anaheim Police Department on major emergency. 00:13:01.710 --> 00:13:05.510 We also housed the city's emergency operations center 00:13:05.510 --> 00:13:09.210 at our Edwards Utilities Complex yard, 00:13:09.210 --> 00:13:12.530 where we coordinate major events that include past fires 00:13:12.530 --> 00:13:15.870 like the Freeway Complex Fire in 2008 00:13:15.870 --> 00:13:19.043 and the Canyon Fire 2 in 2017. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.720 I'd like to point out that even though homes were lost 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.443 tragically during these wind-driven fires, 00:13:26.394 --> 00:13:29.880 there was no circuit outages or power line issues 00:13:29.880 --> 00:13:31.523 during either event. 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:34.133 Next slide, please. 00:13:41.680 --> 00:13:44.930 As development sped right toward the Eastern 00:13:44.930 --> 00:13:49.775 part of Anaheim, we invested in long-term solutions 00:13:49.775 --> 00:13:52.200 to make the community more resilient. 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:56.330 On the left of the screen is our Park Substation. 00:13:56.330 --> 00:13:59.620 This is the first fully underground substation 00:13:59.620 --> 00:14:01.610 in the United States. 00:14:01.610 --> 00:14:03.610 And as the name suggests, 00:14:03.610 --> 00:14:05.933 there is a park built above the substation. 00:14:07.260 --> 00:14:10.570 Substation utilizes gas insulated switchgear, 00:14:10.570 --> 00:14:13.690 that allows for a more compact footprint 00:14:13.690 --> 00:14:16.170 within an enclosed concrete structure. 00:14:16.170 --> 00:14:20.640 So this hardens our system against weather related outages, 00:14:20.640 --> 00:14:23.293 physical threats, and of course, wildfires. 00:14:24.700 --> 00:14:28.050 On the right is our Walnut Canyon reservoir 00:14:28.050 --> 00:14:32.410 which holds 900 million gallons of water that is treated 00:14:32.410 --> 00:14:33.723 before serving customers. 00:14:34.675 --> 00:14:37.100 The reservoir has been used on many occasions 00:14:37.100 --> 00:14:39.670 to support firefighting aircraft. 00:14:39.670 --> 00:14:42.460 And this photo is from the Blue Ridge Fire 00:14:42.460 --> 00:14:45.923 that affected neighboring Yorba Linda just last month. 00:14:48.420 --> 00:14:49.253 Slide please. 00:14:53.770 --> 00:14:56.010 One of the first keys to establishing 00:14:56.010 --> 00:14:59.410 our wildfire mitigation plan was to coordinate closely 00:14:59.410 --> 00:15:01.360 with the Anaheim Fire & Rescue 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:03.893 to identify high fire threat zones. 00:15:04.770 --> 00:15:08.857 Anaheim fire officials have expertise in wild land fires. 00:15:08.857 --> 00:15:12.330 And our very own current fire chief has been instantly 00:15:12.330 --> 00:15:14.653 commander in fires throughout the state. 00:15:16.090 --> 00:15:19.070 The next step was overhead infrastructure, 00:15:19.070 --> 00:15:23.000 and we identified two segments that were in or adjacent 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.943 to our Tier 3 extreme zone. 00:15:25.870 --> 00:15:30.870 Because Anaheim is 98% underground in the fire threat zone, 00:15:30.920 --> 00:15:33.403 we have been able to minimize the ignition. 00:15:34.770 --> 00:15:37.090 In addition to the overhead line, 00:15:37.090 --> 00:15:40.430 we've identified critical facilities serving the community, 00:15:40.430 --> 00:15:45.090 which includes water pumps and telecommunication towers 00:15:45.090 --> 00:15:47.757 who depends on electrical service from APU. 00:15:48.910 --> 00:15:51.230 And our adjacent investor owned utilities, 00:15:51.230 --> 00:15:52.820 high voltage power lines, 00:15:52.820 --> 00:15:56.300 and towers passing through Anaheim's fire threat zone 00:15:56.300 --> 00:15:58.280 were identified as well. 00:15:58.280 --> 00:16:00.480 We coordinate with all of these agencies 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.053 with impacted facility. 00:16:02.980 --> 00:16:06.210 One of the keys to monitoring have been the installation 00:16:06.210 --> 00:16:10.080 of our wildfire cameras through the Alert Wildfire Program 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:13.130 in coordination with our University of California 00:16:13.130 --> 00:16:16.300 San Diego, Scripps Institution. 00:16:16.300 --> 00:16:20.440 Four stations and eight cameras have been installed to date 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:24.210 and have been instrumental in identifying early ignition 00:16:24.210 --> 00:16:27.493 as you can see in this photo, that's our just in Canyon. 00:16:29.180 --> 00:16:30.130 Next slide, please. 00:16:33.019 --> 00:16:34.250 Same cameras are used 00:16:34.250 --> 00:16:37.840 by both our Anaheim Fire & Rescue dispatchers 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:39.980 and our own utility operators. 00:16:39.980 --> 00:16:43.200 So since we already collaborate on emergency call, 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.130 it makes sense to further collaborate 00:16:45.130 --> 00:16:47.290 on wildfire monitoring. 00:16:47.290 --> 00:16:49.930 The image on the right shows the Blue Ridge Fire 00:16:49.930 --> 00:16:52.313 as captured by our wildfire camera. 00:16:56.220 --> 00:16:57.253 Slide six. 00:17:00.670 --> 00:17:02.690 On risk mitigation. 00:17:02.690 --> 00:17:04.440 We identify the risk drivers 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:09.440 using a bowtie method agency-wide using historic metrics 00:17:09.850 --> 00:17:13.220 and garnering community and city stakeholder input, 00:17:13.220 --> 00:17:15.790 so it isn't all in a bubble. 00:17:15.790 --> 00:17:18.700 The measures are assigned to responsible staff 00:17:18.700 --> 00:17:20.230 for accountability. 00:17:20.230 --> 00:17:25.173 Progress is tracked and reviewed annually for effectiveness. 00:17:26.390 --> 00:17:29.200 Here, the risk driver is a wildfire ignition 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:31.027 by our equipment, 00:17:31.027 --> 00:17:33.950 and there are several mitigation measures 00:17:33.950 --> 00:17:36.770 that address specific circumstances, 00:17:36.770 --> 00:17:39.750 so not one-size-fits-all. 00:17:39.750 --> 00:17:42.230 An example of this is our undergrounding. 00:17:42.230 --> 00:17:44.810 We've been undergrounding major roadways 00:17:44.810 --> 00:17:48.210 under our program since 1990, 00:17:48.210 --> 00:17:53.000 similar to the investor-owned utilities rule 20 program. 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:55.860 However, in 2016, 00:17:55.860 --> 00:17:59.050 understanding that there is an increasing risk related 00:17:59.050 --> 00:18:01.610 to wildfires and other outage causes, 00:18:01.610 --> 00:18:04.323 we added a reliability criteria to be included 00:18:04.323 --> 00:18:06.340 into the program. 00:18:06.340 --> 00:18:09.230 It doesn't mean we underground everything, 00:18:09.230 --> 00:18:12.550 but it gives us a tool with which to make local decisions 00:18:12.550 --> 00:18:14.863 that are the best interest of our community. 00:18:16.060 --> 00:18:18.880 Through to that effort is that we are now undergrounding 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:23.350 a small roadway that is adjacent to a high fire threat zone 00:18:23.350 --> 00:18:24.653 as shown in this photo. 00:18:26.320 --> 00:18:28.520 This would not have otherwise been qualified 00:18:28.520 --> 00:18:30.433 under the previous program design. 00:18:31.430 --> 00:18:34.320 We held a community meeting with those effected residents 00:18:34.320 --> 00:18:36.983 who were grateful for the plan implementation. 00:18:38.790 --> 00:18:41.060 We evaluated another pole line that runs 00:18:41.060 --> 00:18:42.850 through a nature preserve, 00:18:42.850 --> 00:18:45.420 but the terrain made it difficult to underground. 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:48.740 So instead, we de-energize that line 00:18:48.740 --> 00:18:53.740 and use it now only as a backup circuit tie to reliability. 00:18:53.870 --> 00:18:55.990 Risk mitigation is actionable. 00:18:55.990 --> 00:18:59.160 And in Anaheim, whether it's system hardening 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:03.073 or operational practices, we put our plan in action. 00:19:05.500 --> 00:19:06.563 Slide seven, please. 00:19:07.460 --> 00:19:09.761 A large component of our power monitoring 00:19:09.761 --> 00:19:13.000 and restoration process is our coordination 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:15.220 with our Anaheim first responders, 00:19:15.220 --> 00:19:19.060 typically Anaheim Fire & Rescue is the lead agency 00:19:19.060 --> 00:19:22.270 at our local emergency operation center. 00:19:22.270 --> 00:19:25.530 And they will help to determine when it's safe for our crews 00:19:25.530 --> 00:19:28.490 to return to a fire damaged area. 00:19:28.490 --> 00:19:32.320 In the aftermath of the 2017 Canyon Fire 2, 00:19:32.320 --> 00:19:36.310 which resulted in a large scale evacuation, 00:19:36.310 --> 00:19:39.470 we planned for a large number of residents coming back 00:19:39.470 --> 00:19:41.980 to their homes following the incident, 00:19:41.980 --> 00:19:44.640 and might find their power is out. 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:49.430 Well in this circumstance, fire personnel for safety reasons 00:19:49.430 --> 00:19:52.470 often shut off the main breaker at the home 00:19:52.470 --> 00:19:55.930 in dealing with fire, but the residents may assume 00:19:55.930 --> 00:19:58.660 that it's a utility power outage. 00:19:58.660 --> 00:20:01.360 So we anticipated this rather than waiting 00:20:01.360 --> 00:20:02.940 for calls to service, 00:20:02.940 --> 00:20:07.580 we proactively dispatched our field staff status 00:20:07.580 --> 00:20:10.830 at the homes prior to the first responders 00:20:10.830 --> 00:20:12.323 allowing residents to return. 00:20:13.817 --> 00:20:16.840 So as important as power shutoff protocols, 00:20:16.840 --> 00:20:20.820 the power restoration process is equally as important. 00:20:20.820 --> 00:20:22.300 In most cases, 00:20:22.300 --> 00:20:25.230 it's about ensuring our customers and our stakeholders 00:20:25.230 --> 00:20:28.560 are aware that the power is back on 00:20:28.560 --> 00:20:31.000 and providing our contact information 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:33.190 if they still don't have power. 00:20:33.190 --> 00:20:35.830 However, it's also about recovering from the damages 00:20:35.830 --> 00:20:38.320 incurred after a wildfire. 00:20:38.320 --> 00:20:42.150 Following the Canyon Fire, our Anaheim City Council 00:20:42.150 --> 00:20:44.890 approved a utility rule modification 00:20:44.890 --> 00:20:47.766 that upon a declared emergency, 00:20:47.766 --> 00:20:51.070 APU may weigh certain charges or fees related 00:20:51.070 --> 00:20:54.920 to restoring service such as temporary service, 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:58.450 service connection plan check, design and engineering 00:20:58.450 --> 00:21:01.683 and inspection and related administrative charges. 00:21:03.110 --> 00:21:04.060 Next slide, please. 00:21:07.610 --> 00:21:08.950 That concludes my presentation. 00:21:08.950 --> 00:21:11.320 I'd like to thank the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board 00:21:11.320 --> 00:21:13.960 for their thoughtful review of the many plans submitted 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:15.920 by our California Utilities 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.257 who have a tremendous responsibility. 00:21:18.257 --> 00:21:21.550 And we hope that our efforts and Anaheim highlight 00:21:21.550 --> 00:21:24.670 that municipal utilities each have different ingredients 00:21:24.670 --> 00:21:26.390 of wildfire mitigation, 00:21:26.390 --> 00:21:29.920 but the statewide plan is enhanced by local planning, 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:34.600 proactive investments and collaboration by first responders. 00:21:34.600 --> 00:21:35.433 Thank you all. 00:21:37.268 --> 00:21:38.780 It's a very good job, Janet. 00:21:38.780 --> 00:21:40.070 Thank you so much. 00:21:40.070 --> 00:21:42.930 And please tell your general manager 00:21:42.930 --> 00:21:44.640 thank you for me as well. 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:46.500 Will do, appreciate it. 00:21:46.500 --> 00:21:47.390 All right. 00:21:47.390 --> 00:21:49.870 Ryan, have we managed to subvert 00:21:49.870 --> 00:21:51.910 your technical difficulties there? 00:21:51.910 --> 00:21:54.283 I think so, can you all hear me now? 00:21:55.490 --> 00:21:56.323 Yep. 00:21:56.323 --> 00:21:58.480 A reminder of this is Brian Wilbur, 00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:00.550 Director of Power Transmission and Distribution, 00:22:00.550 --> 00:22:02.430 Los Angeles Department of Water and Power. 00:22:02.430 --> 00:22:03.470 Go ahead, Brain. 00:22:03.470 --> 00:22:04.920 Thank you very much Marcie. 00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:08.410 I apologize for the technical difficulties. 00:22:08.410 --> 00:22:09.710 I'd like to say it was a problem here, 00:22:09.710 --> 00:22:11.740 but it was more than likely a disconnection 00:22:11.740 --> 00:22:14.305 between the keyboard and the chair. 00:22:14.305 --> 00:22:16.000 (laughing) 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.480 First of all, I'd like to thank all of the POUs that, 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:22.630 one of the things that this whole mitigation plan 00:22:22.630 --> 00:22:24.150 and putting all this together, 00:22:24.150 --> 00:22:26.140 one of the big benefits that we've had is a chance 00:22:26.140 --> 00:22:27.237 to get to know each other 00:22:27.237 --> 00:22:30.330 and to work together on some of our common problems, 00:22:30.330 --> 00:22:32.010 some of our common solution 00:22:32.010 --> 00:22:33.910 and bouncing a lot of things off each other. 00:22:33.910 --> 00:22:36.920 It's been a great experience that way 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:38.920 to get the collaboration from all the POUs 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:40.860 and it's something we should be doing all the time 00:22:40.860 --> 00:22:41.790 on everything anyway. 00:22:41.790 --> 00:22:44.250 So this has really helped a lot. 00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:47.490 I also wanna thank the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board 00:22:47.490 --> 00:22:49.730 for their review of our plan. 00:22:49.730 --> 00:22:51.450 We had a lot of items we wanted to go over. 00:22:51.450 --> 00:22:53.570 I'm gonna touch on just three main things 00:22:53.570 --> 00:22:58.320 and that's the identification of the enterprise wide risks, 00:22:58.320 --> 00:23:01.640 including vegetation, drought, weather, things like that, 00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:03.390 our path metrics and our grid system, 00:23:03.390 --> 00:23:05.920 hardening measures such as pole replacements, 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:09.870 transformer replacements, alternative materials 00:23:09.870 --> 00:23:11.430 and things of that nature. 00:23:11.430 --> 00:23:13.700 And also the assessment of our accessibility 00:23:13.700 --> 00:23:16.190 to terrain for our first responders. 00:23:16.190 --> 00:23:18.293 So next slide please. 00:23:21.090 --> 00:23:23.023 So just a quick overview LADWP, 00:23:25.012 --> 00:23:27.330 I don't know whether it's an advantage or disadvantage 00:23:27.330 --> 00:23:29.503 of being the big fish in a small pond here, 00:23:30.690 --> 00:23:33.120 we are the large municipality here 00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:35.540 for as far as what the rest of the POUs. 00:23:35.540 --> 00:23:38.930 We have over 1.5 million customers in Los Angeles, 00:23:38.930 --> 00:23:41.883 another 5,000, more than 5,000 in the Owens Valley. 00:23:42.730 --> 00:23:45.710 478 square miles in Los Angeles, 00:23:45.710 --> 00:23:49.780 another 1800 square miles in the Owens Valley, 00:23:49.780 --> 00:23:53.220 more than 7,000 miles of overhead distribution facilities 00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:55.967 and over 4,000 miles of overhead transmission lines 00:23:55.967 --> 00:23:58.530 and that covers five states. 00:23:58.530 --> 00:24:00.210 So being the big fish here, 00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:02.230 we have a lot of interesting aspects 00:24:03.070 --> 00:24:04.600 with our service territory. 00:24:04.600 --> 00:24:05.433 Next slide. 00:24:08.170 --> 00:24:09.660 Even though we cover a large area, 00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:13.930 most of our in basin is urban centric. 00:24:13.930 --> 00:24:16.280 In the Owens Valley, it's very rural out there, 00:24:16.280 --> 00:24:19.410 our transmission lines that travel over five States, 00:24:19.410 --> 00:24:20.780 but where they go through California, 00:24:20.780 --> 00:24:22.950 one of the big advantages that we have 00:24:22.950 --> 00:24:24.020 with our transmission lines, 00:24:24.020 --> 00:24:26.280 it's not a lot of forest area that it's going through. 00:24:26.280 --> 00:24:27.640 It's a lot of desert- 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:31.210 Yeah, it's a lot of desert area and that's scrub brush, 00:24:31.210 --> 00:24:32.580 that's Joshua trees. 00:24:32.580 --> 00:24:34.530 So it's not that high fire threat zone. 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:41.180 We do have a few areas of very few of Tier 3, 00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:42.410 a little bit of Tier 2. 00:24:42.410 --> 00:24:45.160 So realistically inside LA, we have about 8% 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:47.340 of our distribution in transmission lines 00:24:47.340 --> 00:24:48.890 run through Tier 2 area, 00:24:48.890 --> 00:24:51.033 less than 1% through Tier 3. 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:56.680 In Owens Valley, it's 1.3% in Tier 2 00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:58.980 and really nothing in the Tier 3 area 00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:00.980 as far as our service territory goes. 00:25:00.980 --> 00:25:02.650 So most of our Tier 3 stuff 00:25:02.650 --> 00:25:04.603 is out of our service territory. 00:25:04.603 --> 00:25:06.450 It's just going through those Tier 3 areas 00:25:06.450 --> 00:25:08.010 on our transmission lines. 00:25:08.010 --> 00:25:10.390 So LA is also a little bit unique 00:25:10.390 --> 00:25:14.660 in our Tier 2 areas, it's not the rural secluded area. 00:25:14.660 --> 00:25:17.840 Our biggest Tier 2 area through the Santa Monica Mountains 00:25:17.840 --> 00:25:19.653 is our high rent district. 00:25:21.020 --> 00:25:24.050 It's Bel air, it's the Hollywood Hills, 00:25:24.050 --> 00:25:25.600 it's Brentwood. 00:25:25.600 --> 00:25:28.340 It is very influential people that live there 00:25:28.340 --> 00:25:30.770 that have a lot of connections and a lot of phone calls 00:25:30.770 --> 00:25:31.740 get made from there. 00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:34.580 So our Tier 3 area is not quite 00:25:34.580 --> 00:25:39.580 that out of the rural area that a lot of the POUs have. 00:25:40.510 --> 00:25:41.813 So next slide. 00:25:44.230 --> 00:25:46.530 So in developing our wildfire, 00:25:46.530 --> 00:25:49.310 just like you heard from the previous presenter, 00:25:49.310 --> 00:25:52.310 that whole bowtie effect on how we identify 00:25:52.310 --> 00:25:53.890 the enterprise-wide risks. 00:25:53.890 --> 00:25:57.410 So when we went through this, there was really, 00:25:57.410 --> 00:25:59.650 the bang for our buck really falls 00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:02.000 under three of the main risks that we have. 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:03.490 So we analyze all of this and there's a lot of things 00:26:03.490 --> 00:26:05.230 that we're moving forward, 00:26:05.230 --> 00:26:06.680 but really the best bang for our buck 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.640 is our vegetation management, 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.080 our inspection and maintenance and our grid hardening. 00:26:12.080 --> 00:26:12.913 Next slide. 00:26:16.790 --> 00:26:19.290 When it comes to our vegetation management, 00:26:19.290 --> 00:26:20.990 this is one of our big projects 00:26:20.990 --> 00:26:22.680 and we've just now signed on, 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.520 we have a new contract in place on that thunder, 00:26:25.520 --> 00:26:28.980 the process of getting approval to increase the staffing 00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:32.350 of the contractors that we have and a more inclusive plan. 00:26:32.350 --> 00:26:36.440 When wildfire really became a big issue in the state, 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:40.740 we lost a lot of our tree trimmers to the IOUs. 00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:43.460 And that influx of everybody going out, 00:26:43.460 --> 00:26:45.670 making money up in Northern California 00:26:45.670 --> 00:26:46.730 devastated our system. 00:26:46.730 --> 00:26:48.940 So it's been hard getting our contractors back in place, 00:26:48.940 --> 00:26:52.010 getting our core numbers back to where they need to be. 00:26:52.010 --> 00:26:55.540 We maintain a database of more than 400,000 trees. 00:26:55.540 --> 00:26:59.150 We prune more than 185,000 trees a year. 00:26:59.150 --> 00:27:00.940 We do annual evaluations. 00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:03.920 So we inspect every transmission distribution line 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:04.870 every year. 00:27:04.870 --> 00:27:07.090 And then we do mid-cycle inspections 00:27:07.090 --> 00:27:09.260 in our high fire threat districts. 00:27:09.260 --> 00:27:12.340 So a lot of the issues that we have with our tree trimming 00:27:12.340 --> 00:27:15.840 is I go back to that in our Tier 2 area. 00:27:15.840 --> 00:27:17.580 And that's those residents 00:27:17.580 --> 00:27:19.430 that are in the hillside communities. 00:27:21.776 --> 00:27:23.060 It's a little bit tougher to go in there 00:27:23.060 --> 00:27:25.260 and start hacking trees on private property, 00:27:26.250 --> 00:27:28.410 beyond what the regulations are. 00:27:28.410 --> 00:27:31.570 And what we're trying to do in our vegetation management 00:27:31.570 --> 00:27:34.230 program is going beyond that four foot, 00:27:34.230 --> 00:27:38.410 that eight foot rule and to really clear wider distances. 00:27:38.410 --> 00:27:40.790 And so in making that effort, 00:27:40.790 --> 00:27:41.990 it's become a little bit of a battle 00:27:41.990 --> 00:27:43.170 with the private citizen 00:27:43.170 --> 00:27:45.260 and everybody has their own priorities. 00:27:45.260 --> 00:27:47.210 So it has been a challenge, 00:27:47.210 --> 00:27:49.730 but we do have our tree trimmers. 00:27:49.730 --> 00:27:52.770 We have our supervisors, our certified arborist, 00:27:52.770 --> 00:27:54.360 so they are on staff. 00:27:54.360 --> 00:27:56.350 And we typically trim a little bit farther out 00:27:56.350 --> 00:27:58.243 than most of the regulations require. 00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:02.940 For our inspection and maintenance. 00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:04.380 This is the other big deal. 00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:07.940 We have 125,000 transformers. 00:28:07.940 --> 00:28:10.423 We have four for over 300,000 poles. 00:28:11.955 --> 00:28:13.510 It's getting the maintenance done on this 00:28:13.510 --> 00:28:15.140 required a little bit of extra effort. 00:28:15.140 --> 00:28:17.390 Our in-house inspection and maintenance group 00:28:18.510 --> 00:28:20.650 had to be expanded in order to get 00:28:21.530 --> 00:28:23.320 to meet our inspection needs 00:28:23.320 --> 00:28:25.860 to look at where we're going to harden our system. 00:28:25.860 --> 00:28:29.350 With our system that big and our resources where they are, 00:28:29.350 --> 00:28:32.793 we really have to identify where our immediate problems are. 00:28:34.030 --> 00:28:36.900 We have an equity metrics issue also. 00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:39.470 Our power system reliability program 00:28:39.470 --> 00:28:41.570 involves our entire service territory 00:28:41.570 --> 00:28:45.500 in such a small percent being in those Tier 2 areas 00:28:45.500 --> 00:28:48.390 and being able to concentrate with the most needed points, 00:28:48.390 --> 00:28:51.233 parts are in those Tier 2 and Tier 3 areas. 00:28:52.090 --> 00:28:52.923 Next slide. 00:28:56.450 --> 00:28:59.080 Like I said, the big bang for your buck here 00:28:59.080 --> 00:29:00.470 is hardening the system. 00:29:00.470 --> 00:29:03.610 How do we stop circuit problems? 00:29:03.610 --> 00:29:04.580 How do we stop outages? 00:29:04.580 --> 00:29:08.030 How do we stop short circuit, arms breaking, 00:29:08.030 --> 00:29:09.260 wire coming down? 00:29:09.260 --> 00:29:11.620 Harding our system is our best bang for the buck, 00:29:11.620 --> 00:29:13.070 undergrounding the solution, 00:29:13.070 --> 00:29:14.969 but not in the rough terrain areas. 00:29:14.969 --> 00:29:17.780 There's a lot of issues that we can't do where we can really 00:29:17.780 --> 00:29:19.760 get the most of what we can with our money 00:29:19.760 --> 00:29:21.850 on hardening our system. 00:29:21.850 --> 00:29:24.670 Number one, that's alternative poles, steel poles, 00:29:24.670 --> 00:29:28.113 fiberglass arms, beefing up the structure that we have. 00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:34.550 It's increasing our spacing of our wires, 00:29:34.550 --> 00:29:36.730 increasing our wind loading. 00:29:36.730 --> 00:29:39.890 We surpassed, we went from the 56 mile per hour wind loading 00:29:39.890 --> 00:29:41.710 to an 80 mile an hour of wind loading 00:29:41.710 --> 00:29:44.130 in all of our Tier 2 and Tier 3 areas. 00:29:44.130 --> 00:29:45.680 So this is our big concentration, 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.060 it's moving forward with alternatives. 00:29:48.060 --> 00:29:50.540 Poles are alternative materials. 00:29:50.540 --> 00:29:51.493 Next slide. 00:29:53.590 --> 00:29:57.330 Know, the other portion of that is changing the wire 00:29:57.330 --> 00:29:58.163 that we're putting in. 00:29:58.163 --> 00:29:59.410 We're increasing our conductor size, 00:29:59.410 --> 00:30:01.580 with three wires now become the norm. 00:30:01.580 --> 00:30:03.517 Everything that we're putting in our Tier 2 00:30:03.517 --> 00:30:07.080 and Tier 3 areas, we're putting in tree wire. 00:30:07.080 --> 00:30:11.090 This brought on a lot of different hardships 00:30:11.090 --> 00:30:12.930 that we had to prepare for also. 00:30:12.930 --> 00:30:15.700 Tree wire is a little heavier, it's a beefier construction. 00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:18.400 We need stronger poles, we need stronger materials. 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.290 It's a different practice. 00:30:20.290 --> 00:30:23.940 The work on these poles with tree wire, 00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:24.930 fix a little more time, 00:30:24.930 --> 00:30:27.093 a little more energy and a little more money. 00:30:28.012 --> 00:30:30.980 And so all of these things really are a big part 00:30:30.980 --> 00:30:33.810 of what the changes that we're making for. 00:30:33.810 --> 00:30:36.030 The other one is the avian protection. 00:30:36.030 --> 00:30:37.810 One of the most interesting things we found 00:30:37.810 --> 00:30:40.380 with our increased avian protection 00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:44.100 is where we were just isolating our conductors 00:30:44.100 --> 00:30:46.710 from steel poles with our avian protection, 00:30:46.710 --> 00:30:49.020 because that's originally what the problems were. 00:30:49.020 --> 00:30:52.210 Birds getting into that inside conductor on a pole 00:30:52.210 --> 00:30:55.360 and touching the pole, causing a short circuit, 00:30:55.360 --> 00:30:58.450 and falling to the ground on fire, starting a fire that's... 00:30:59.470 --> 00:31:02.410 But what we found is we also have our construction standards 00:31:02.410 --> 00:31:05.610 and how we did our bonding and grounding on our arms 00:31:05.610 --> 00:31:08.400 on the outside phases also became an issue 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.880 where birds were still getting across over the insulators 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:14.030 into our grounded lines 00:31:14.030 --> 00:31:16.260 or our grounded bonding on our poles. 00:31:16.260 --> 00:31:19.240 So we had to make a big change in our construction standards 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:21.440 on how we do our general construction. 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.110 So it wasn't just the alternative materials, 00:31:23.110 --> 00:31:26.420 it was changing the way we do our regular work. 00:31:26.420 --> 00:31:29.140 So that's been a change that we've done also. 00:31:29.140 --> 00:31:30.023 Next slide. 00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:36.630 The next part I wanna get into is really what happens 00:31:36.630 --> 00:31:38.680 before and during an incident. 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:43.680 We have a strong collaboration now with LA Fire Department, 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.800 with our Office of Emergency Management, 00:31:46.800 --> 00:31:51.040 with Cal Fire, all of these pieces come together, 00:31:51.040 --> 00:31:56.040 not only preparing for a wind or event or a heat event 00:31:56.980 --> 00:32:01.580 or a red flag event, but also during a problem. 00:32:01.580 --> 00:32:02.880 When we have a fire, 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.440 when a fire breaks out for whatever the cause is, 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.113 it's really about how we respond. 00:32:09.360 --> 00:32:10.193 The next slide. 00:32:13.470 --> 00:32:16.030 So and in that response, 00:32:16.030 --> 00:32:18.450 we're back to one of the bigger issues that we have, 00:32:18.450 --> 00:32:20.360 whether it's a transmission right of way, 00:32:20.360 --> 00:32:23.700 whether it's just our access road to our lines, 00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:25.850 during a fire, this is a fire road. 00:32:25.850 --> 00:32:28.250 And the maintaining of these roads is critical 00:32:28.250 --> 00:32:31.510 because it's not just for our use for maintaining our lines, 00:32:31.510 --> 00:32:32.690 but this is where the fire department 00:32:32.690 --> 00:32:34.970 is gonna go to battle a fire 00:32:34.970 --> 00:32:36.510 if there's a fire at that place. 00:32:36.510 --> 00:32:38.430 And this is one of the big things 00:32:38.430 --> 00:32:40.640 that we really have to concentrate on 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.410 in collaborating with these other entities in the city. 00:32:44.410 --> 00:32:45.243 In Los Angeles, 00:32:45.243 --> 00:32:47.840 we have a lot of conservatory groups. 00:32:47.840 --> 00:32:49.160 We need to move forward 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.130 with a focus on environmental stewardship, 00:32:52.130 --> 00:32:55.060 to where we're also protecting the landscape. 00:32:55.060 --> 00:32:56.760 We have many of our pole lines go 00:32:56.760 --> 00:32:58.940 through the California Coastal Commission. 00:32:58.940 --> 00:33:01.200 If any of you have worked with them before, 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.550 there's a thousand permits that we need to go through. 00:33:03.550 --> 00:33:06.610 And a lot of hoops to jump through just to go ahead 00:33:06.610 --> 00:33:08.521 and change out polls that were better 80, 00:33:08.521 --> 00:33:11.260 90 years old that we need to get in to do. 00:33:11.260 --> 00:33:13.710 So it takes a lot of work. 00:33:13.710 --> 00:33:18.070 It takes a lot of focus and it takes a lot of collaboration 00:33:18.070 --> 00:33:19.133 with those entity. 00:33:20.260 --> 00:33:23.360 So Angeles National Forest, that's Pang of State park, 00:33:23.360 --> 00:33:24.500 getting our permitting done, 00:33:24.500 --> 00:33:26.680 getting this done ahead of time when we can identify 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:28.100 where our assets need to be changed 00:33:28.100 --> 00:33:29.850 has been a big challenge, 00:33:29.850 --> 00:33:32.010 but it's something that needs to be done. 00:33:32.010 --> 00:33:34.890 And it's not just about maintaining the roads for us, 00:33:34.890 --> 00:33:37.680 it's when there is a fire event, no matter what the cause, 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.410 we need to be able to have those roads open 00:33:40.410 --> 00:33:42.160 for the fire department to come in. 00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:44.253 Next slide. 00:33:46.310 --> 00:33:48.050 So the last little piece I wanted to go through 00:33:48.050 --> 00:33:50.310 is really the situational response. 00:33:50.310 --> 00:33:53.460 We do not do PSPS here at water and power. 00:33:53.460 --> 00:33:56.040 We are reactive to the event when it happens. 00:33:56.040 --> 00:33:58.200 And there's a few reasons behind that. 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.010 One of the big issues that we have moving forward 00:34:01.010 --> 00:34:04.490 is in during a fire event is we need to be able to keep 00:34:04.490 --> 00:34:06.450 our pumping stations going 00:34:06.450 --> 00:34:08.460 to help the fire department fight the fire. 00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:10.890 So we need to keep power onto those pumping stations. 00:34:10.890 --> 00:34:12.670 So we work directly 00:34:12.670 --> 00:34:14.760 through our Office of Emergency Management, 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.450 but with the fire department during an event. 00:34:17.450 --> 00:34:18.650 The other portion of that is, 00:34:18.650 --> 00:34:21.810 is trying to stay ahead of where that fire is. 00:34:21.810 --> 00:34:25.570 And not necessarily shutting off preemptively, 00:34:25.570 --> 00:34:28.340 but reactive to what the needs are. 00:34:28.340 --> 00:34:30.380 During an evacuation event, 00:34:30.380 --> 00:34:32.530 it's very important that we keep streetlights on, 00:34:32.530 --> 00:34:34.300 that we're able to keep houses on, 00:34:34.300 --> 00:34:37.590 that we're able to keep the traffic signals on, 00:34:37.590 --> 00:34:41.020 so we don't have mass chaos during an evacuation process. 00:34:41.020 --> 00:34:43.370 So we dispatch our crews 00:34:43.370 --> 00:34:45.630 and we have our management personnel 00:34:45.630 --> 00:34:47.550 in our office of emergency management, 00:34:47.550 --> 00:34:48.980 working with all of these groups, 00:34:48.980 --> 00:34:51.830 so we can shut off strategically ahead of the fire 00:34:51.830 --> 00:34:55.480 where needed, so we don't contribute to the hazard, 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.560 but also to maintain some calm during the storm 00:34:59.560 --> 00:35:01.460 when evacuations are taking place 00:35:01.460 --> 00:35:04.063 and to help the fire departments when they go through. 00:35:06.050 --> 00:35:06.883 Next slide. 00:35:08.497 --> 00:35:09.813 Excuse me, last slide. 00:35:12.350 --> 00:35:13.870 Those are the main things I wanted to go over. 00:35:13.870 --> 00:35:16.350 There's a lot of things in our plan 00:35:16.350 --> 00:35:17.840 that I'm very proud of. 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.670 I think that we've really kind of nailed 00:35:21.670 --> 00:35:24.340 some of the bigger problems that we've had 00:35:24.340 --> 00:35:26.110 and wean them down to something 00:35:26.110 --> 00:35:28.090 that's really workable for us. 00:35:28.090 --> 00:35:29.210 We've made some huge strides, 00:35:29.210 --> 00:35:31.040 but we have a lot of strides to go. 00:35:31.040 --> 00:35:33.070 We have a large service territory, 00:35:33.070 --> 00:35:36.040 a lot of old equipment and a small workforce 00:35:36.040 --> 00:35:38.410 that we lose to the IOUs quite often. 00:35:38.410 --> 00:35:42.260 So it's a big deal for us to keep going with this. 00:35:42.260 --> 00:35:45.270 I put our contact information on the last slide, 00:35:45.270 --> 00:35:49.230 if anybody wants to review our plan, it's available. 00:35:49.230 --> 00:35:53.140 It's on our external website also. 00:35:53.140 --> 00:35:55.470 So thank you very much. 00:35:55.470 --> 00:35:57.690 I'm welcoming any questions at the end here 00:35:57.690 --> 00:35:59.840 and thank you for letting me present today. 00:36:01.487 --> 00:36:02.320 Good job, Brian. 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:03.153 Thank you. 00:36:03.153 --> 00:36:05.373 In particular, I really liked the grid hardening. 00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:07.613 Okay. 00:36:07.613 --> 00:36:10.300 And with that, we're gonna move to Terry Crowley, 00:36:10.300 --> 00:36:12.780 Healdsburg Utility Director, and that's obviously 00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:15.283 in the City of Healdsburg Utilities Department. 00:36:16.390 --> 00:36:17.490 Terry, do we have you? 00:36:19.330 --> 00:36:20.163 Yes, I believe so. 00:36:20.163 --> 00:36:23.440 So good afternoon board members. 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.620 Thank you again for allowing us to present to you 00:36:26.620 --> 00:36:28.880 and allowing us to provide some this time. 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.130 So I'll jump into this a little bit of background. 00:36:31.130 --> 00:36:32.483 So next slide please. 00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:35.320 So City Healdsburg, 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.430 we're a small publicly owned utility. 00:36:37.430 --> 00:36:39.970 Service territory, it's only four square miles. 00:36:39.970 --> 00:36:43.060 Serve a population of about 12,000 customers 00:36:43.060 --> 00:36:44.390 or 12,000 people. 00:36:44.390 --> 00:36:48.800 And then 6,000 meters, 60 miles of distribution line. 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:52.910 50% of that is underground, 7 1/2 miles of overhead 00:36:52.910 --> 00:36:54.770 are in the Tier 2 fire area. 00:36:54.770 --> 00:36:57.040 So that's what our focus is with respect 00:36:57.040 --> 00:36:58.760 to wildfire mitigation. 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:00.470 One substation, 00:37:00.470 --> 00:37:03.190 and then we are dependent on PG&E for transmission source. 00:37:03.190 --> 00:37:05.950 So if PG&E decides to do a PSPS Event, 00:37:05.950 --> 00:37:07.330 that transmission level, 00:37:07.330 --> 00:37:10.260 we lose power to the entire community. 00:37:10.260 --> 00:37:12.690 So that's a little bit something we'll go 00:37:12.690 --> 00:37:14.970 into a little bit more on the communication side. 00:37:14.970 --> 00:37:17.010 And then we have 13 full-time employees 00:37:17.010 --> 00:37:18.060 to manage all of that. 00:37:18.060 --> 00:37:21.440 So it is a challenge and we have a lot of staff 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:22.900 that wear a lot of different hats, 00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:25.113 but keeps us busy and out of trouble. 00:37:26.090 --> 00:37:27.440 Next slide, please. 00:37:35.180 --> 00:37:38.800 As far as background and wildfire city, 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:40.810 this graphic here shows the City of Healdsburg service 00:37:40.810 --> 00:37:44.670 territory in the center there outlined in black around us. 00:37:44.670 --> 00:37:46.913 You can see historical wildfires. 00:37:47.790 --> 00:37:51.070 The yellow area is the most recent conveyed fire. 00:37:51.070 --> 00:37:53.550 This map is from 2019, 00:37:53.550 --> 00:37:56.700 so it's not quite updated with the recent fires 00:37:56.700 --> 00:37:57.670 of the current year. 00:37:57.670 --> 00:38:01.210 So to the West of Healdsburg was the Walbridge Fire. 00:38:01.210 --> 00:38:03.600 So that was an additional area, 00:38:03.600 --> 00:38:05.400 that pretty significant burn area. 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:09.810 And then also the glass fire that burned into Santa Rosa 00:38:09.810 --> 00:38:11.730 was also an impact for us as well. 00:38:11.730 --> 00:38:13.550 So we are surrounded by wildfire. 00:38:13.550 --> 00:38:16.673 So it's a very real event for us and for our community, 00:38:18.390 --> 00:38:20.070 and again, during the Kincade Fire, 00:38:20.070 --> 00:38:22.230 the town and many of the towns in Sonoma County 00:38:22.230 --> 00:38:23.823 were evacuated due to that. 00:38:24.681 --> 00:38:26.900 And we have about 1400 of our 6,000 meters that are 00:38:28.200 --> 00:38:29.730 in Tier 2 fire areas. 00:38:29.730 --> 00:38:31.890 So it's a good portion of our customers 00:38:31.890 --> 00:38:34.840 that would be affected by any of the work 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.060 that we do in the Tier 2 area. 00:38:37.060 --> 00:38:38.223 Next slide, please. 00:38:40.250 --> 00:38:42.940 So Customer notifications. 00:38:42.940 --> 00:38:43.960 We are a small city, 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.890 but we do have the ability to contract with other entities 00:38:46.890 --> 00:38:51.040 to provide automated calling and other sources like that 00:38:51.040 --> 00:38:52.253 or services like that. 00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.500 Customer notifications typically start with education. 00:38:56.500 --> 00:38:58.480 We wanna educate our customers about the potential 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:02.210 of PSPS, educate our customers that we can't guarantee power 00:39:02.210 --> 00:39:03.043 at all times, 00:39:03.043 --> 00:39:05.510 so outreach and education is something that we start on 00:39:05.510 --> 00:39:07.880 and continue throughout the year. 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:09.710 Customer notification is a collaboration 00:39:09.710 --> 00:39:10.840 between city department. 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:13.370 So as a city, as a publicly owned utility, 00:39:13.370 --> 00:39:15.770 we have good coordination with the local fire 00:39:15.770 --> 00:39:18.500 and local police, city manager's office 00:39:18.500 --> 00:39:19.770 and other utility departments 00:39:19.770 --> 00:39:22.020 such as the water and wastewater departments. 00:39:23.430 --> 00:39:25.600 And then for most customers, 00:39:25.600 --> 00:39:27.310 we work on automated phone calls. 00:39:27.310 --> 00:39:32.310 So those would be provided to the average customer. 00:39:33.010 --> 00:39:35.740 And we try and do a prerecorded message in both English 00:39:35.740 --> 00:39:38.630 and Spanish to make sure that we reach every segment 00:39:38.630 --> 00:39:39.563 of our community. 00:39:40.650 --> 00:39:44.350 Critical facilities, police fire, communication providers, 00:39:44.350 --> 00:39:46.700 other utilities, hospitals, et cetera, those, 00:39:46.700 --> 00:39:49.150 we typically will provide a phone call 00:39:49.150 --> 00:39:51.820 as well as an email from the city. 00:39:51.820 --> 00:39:52.870 Again, it's a small city, 00:39:52.870 --> 00:39:54.380 so we have pretty good relationships 00:39:54.380 --> 00:39:56.750 with each one of these entities. 00:39:56.750 --> 00:39:58.560 And so we'll try and reach out to them ahead of time 00:39:58.560 --> 00:40:00.560 and give them as much notice as possible 00:40:00.560 --> 00:40:03.023 on any potential PSPS event. 00:40:04.490 --> 00:40:05.650 Access and functional needs. 00:40:05.650 --> 00:40:08.830 Customers, we started this summer reaching out 00:40:08.830 --> 00:40:11.780 and trying to collect as much information as we could 00:40:11.780 --> 00:40:14.050 on that segment of our community. 00:40:14.050 --> 00:40:16.220 We'll do automated phone calls as well 00:40:16.220 --> 00:40:20.290 as follow-up calls to confirm that those customers 00:40:20.290 --> 00:40:21.630 actually did receive the message. 00:40:21.630 --> 00:40:25.140 So we've tried to draw a bubble around that group 00:40:25.140 --> 00:40:25.973 and really try to focus in 00:40:25.973 --> 00:40:27.910 and make sure that they're getting 00:40:27.910 --> 00:40:30.083 as much notice as possible with that. 00:40:31.080 --> 00:40:33.530 One of the challenges to all of the customer notifications 00:40:33.530 --> 00:40:34.363 is timing. 00:40:34.363 --> 00:40:38.010 So there's a kind of cadence in these events, 00:40:38.010 --> 00:40:40.197 leading up to a potential PSPS event 00:40:40.197 --> 00:40:42.850 You like to provide your customers 48 hours notice 00:40:42.850 --> 00:40:44.400 at the minimum, 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.440 but being a transmission dependent utility, 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.090 timing it's challenging. 00:40:48.090 --> 00:40:50.380 If we don't know what PG&E's plans are, 00:40:50.380 --> 00:40:52.810 we can't really relate that to our community 00:40:52.810 --> 00:40:56.860 as far as what effect maybe for a PSPS event. 00:40:56.860 --> 00:40:59.910 So we're trying to work with PG&E and improve that 00:40:59.910 --> 00:41:03.230 and improve our customer notifications at the same time. 00:41:03.230 --> 00:41:04.833 So next slide, please. 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.620 So system impacts inspections. 00:41:09.620 --> 00:41:12.370 And one of the things that we think is the best 00:41:12.370 --> 00:41:14.800 or best mitigation measure that we have 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.360 is to provide routine inspections and inspections often. 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.510 So prior to any fire season, we go out, 00:41:22.510 --> 00:41:23.680 we do visual inspections. 00:41:23.680 --> 00:41:26.530 We do visual inspections of our entire system every year. 00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:28.810 And in the fire area, 00:41:28.810 --> 00:41:30.530 we're paying a little bit more attention 00:41:30.530 --> 00:41:33.830 to vegetation clearance, the condition of the wood pole, 00:41:33.830 --> 00:41:37.210 crossarms, other support structures. 00:41:37.210 --> 00:41:38.223 And then whatever we find in there, 00:41:38.223 --> 00:41:40.360 we try and review and prioritize 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:41.470 those pending maintenance tags, 00:41:41.470 --> 00:41:43.350 such that we can get those things done 00:41:43.350 --> 00:41:46.010 in a fire threat areas sooner, rather than later, 00:41:46.010 --> 00:41:48.823 we don't like to see tags go past 12 months. 00:41:49.730 --> 00:41:51.397 So we'd like to get that stuff done 00:41:51.397 --> 00:41:53.913 and try and keep our system in tip-top shape. 00:41:55.260 --> 00:41:57.920 Additional visual controls are performed 00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.840 before any red flag warnings. 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:03.740 So the intent here is that we really want to take a look 00:42:03.740 --> 00:42:06.300 at the system before the winds come in 00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:09.040 and after the winds leave to really understand 00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:10.360 how the is system performing. 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.290 And I think the best way for us to do that 00:42:12.290 --> 00:42:14.900 is to really put eyes on the line before 00:42:14.900 --> 00:42:16.220 and after each of those events. 00:42:16.220 --> 00:42:20.360 And it helps us identify where we have vegetation 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:21.280 that's falling. 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.500 Eucalypts tree is pretty typical 00:42:23.500 --> 00:42:25.267 that you'll see a lot of bark falling off those trees. 00:42:25.267 --> 00:42:27.260 And so we can kind of identify those areas 00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:30.490 as something that we might wanna do additional mitigation 00:42:30.490 --> 00:42:32.823 work or additional grid hardening work. 00:42:33.700 --> 00:42:34.883 Next slide, please. 00:42:38.420 --> 00:42:39.450 Vegetation management. 00:42:39.450 --> 00:42:41.870 I can't tout this enough. 00:42:41.870 --> 00:42:44.780 I think this is one of the biggest things that you can do 00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:48.773 to improve your reliability and reduce the risk of wildfire. 00:42:49.640 --> 00:42:54.250 So on an annual basis contract with a tree contractor, 00:42:54.250 --> 00:42:56.750 they have a 12-month contract and they're required 00:42:56.750 --> 00:42:59.080 to maintain clearance throughout that entire contract. 00:42:59.080 --> 00:43:02.140 So it's not just a one-time thing where they come in 00:43:02.140 --> 00:43:05.200 and trim once, and then they're done with their contract, 00:43:05.200 --> 00:43:07.050 they have to maintain that clearance. 00:43:08.470 --> 00:43:10.950 To help mitigate the risk and improve our reliability, 00:43:10.950 --> 00:43:15.210 we ask for clearances that exceed GO95 requirements. 00:43:15.210 --> 00:43:16.610 So typically on a primary, 00:43:16.610 --> 00:43:20.020 we'll ask them to trim seven feet to maintain 00:43:20.020 --> 00:43:22.900 no less than four feet through the contract period. 00:43:22.900 --> 00:43:24.300 So if you have a quick growing tree, 00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:25.703 they're gonna have to go out there several times 00:43:25.703 --> 00:43:28.560 in a year to maintain that four feet of clearance. 00:43:28.560 --> 00:43:31.110 We also make sure that we trim our secondary, 00:43:31.110 --> 00:43:33.010 from pole to pole, maintain three feet 00:43:34.700 --> 00:43:36.380 at the time of trimming. 00:43:36.380 --> 00:43:38.270 And then no less than one foot of clearance 00:43:38.270 --> 00:43:41.050 on our secondary, keep that stuff clean. 00:43:41.050 --> 00:43:41.883 Service drops. 00:43:41.883 --> 00:43:44.440 We also make sure that there's no contact 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.010 and six inches of clearance around there. 00:43:47.010 --> 00:43:50.020 We also try and clear around the pools and streetlights 00:43:50.020 --> 00:43:51.493 and guy wires as well. 00:43:52.780 --> 00:43:53.613 And again, like I said, 00:43:53.613 --> 00:43:55.980 the contractor is required to maintain those clearances 00:43:55.980 --> 00:43:58.890 throughout the contract period, not just a one-time thing, 00:43:58.890 --> 00:44:00.910 and then it goes to there. 00:44:00.910 --> 00:44:02.060 And then the other thing too, 00:44:02.060 --> 00:44:05.400 I've mentioned that with the vegetation is we do look 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.460 at those inspections from the contractor, 00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:10.410 as well as having our own staff go back 00:44:10.410 --> 00:44:12.130 and look at that work 00:44:12.130 --> 00:44:14.750 and make sure that everything's in clearance 00:44:14.750 --> 00:44:16.490 and proper for the events. 00:44:16.490 --> 00:44:18.610 And then leading into a red flag warning, 00:44:18.610 --> 00:44:20.270 that's one of the bigger things that our staff 00:44:20.270 --> 00:44:23.763 is looking for to try and prepare our system for that. 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.430 And so that's really quick brief overview 00:44:27.430 --> 00:44:30.110 of those key points of our wildfire mitigation plan. 00:44:30.110 --> 00:44:33.810 Again, I thank board for allowing publicly owned utilities 00:44:33.810 --> 00:44:35.650 to present and kind of tell our story 00:44:35.650 --> 00:44:37.990 of how we're mitigating wildfire risk 00:44:38.930 --> 00:44:40.290 and look forward to any questions 00:44:40.290 --> 00:44:43.663 that may come up at the end of the presentations. 00:44:45.820 --> 00:44:46.653 Excellent. 00:44:46.653 --> 00:44:48.440 Thank you, Mr. Crowley. 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:50.110 We sure appreciate you being here 00:44:50.110 --> 00:44:52.460 and bringing that information forward. 00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:55.320 Next we have Mr. David Hernandez, 00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.520 he's transmission and distribution engineering manager 00:44:58.520 --> 00:45:00.600 for the beautiful City of Burbank 00:45:00.600 --> 00:45:02.562 in their water and power department. 00:45:02.562 --> 00:45:04.570 David. 00:45:04.570 --> 00:45:06.490 Good afternoon board members. 00:45:06.490 --> 00:45:08.560 David Hernandez, manager T&D Engineering. 00:45:08.560 --> 00:45:10.580 I went through the other presentations, 00:45:10.580 --> 00:45:12.973 I'll be sharing some specific aspects of BWP 00:45:13.810 --> 00:45:15.493 on fire mitigation plan. 00:45:16.950 --> 00:45:17.797 Slide please. 00:45:20.910 --> 00:45:23.610 The City of Burbank is mostly an urban environment 00:45:23.610 --> 00:45:25.880 with about 17 square miles. 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.340 It's located about 12 miles North 00:45:28.340 --> 00:45:30.670 of Los Angeles, California. 00:45:30.670 --> 00:45:34.383 We have approximately 54,000 electric meters. 00:45:43.290 --> 00:45:46.680 And a peak load of 322 megawatts. 00:45:46.680 --> 00:45:47.837 Next, slide please. 00:45:51.069 --> 00:45:53.700 The next few slides include a brief overview 00:45:53.700 --> 00:45:56.580 of the risk assessment and priority levels included 00:45:56.580 --> 00:45:58.313 in our wildfire mitigation plans. 00:45:59.250 --> 00:46:01.700 Burbank has a Tier 2 fire threatened area 00:46:01.700 --> 00:46:03.977 as shown on the map here, 00:46:03.977 --> 00:46:08.010 but we don't have any Tier 3 in our city limits. 00:46:08.010 --> 00:46:10.180 Now as part of its site evaluation, 00:46:10.180 --> 00:46:13.980 UWP in consultation with the Burbank Fire Department 00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:17.407 and a third-party consultant reviewed the site topography, 00:46:17.407 --> 00:46:19.180 the vegetation fuel. 00:46:19.180 --> 00:46:22.520 Overall, history of fires in the Tier 2 area. 00:46:22.520 --> 00:46:25.627 And we identified what areas really pose a greater risk 00:46:25.627 --> 00:46:28.010 and greater hazard for the ignition 00:46:28.010 --> 00:46:31.530 and spread of a wildfire as well as finding out areas 00:46:31.530 --> 00:46:34.750 where road access was limited for our fire department. 00:46:34.750 --> 00:46:35.700 Next slide, please. 00:46:40.190 --> 00:46:43.460 We identified the type and amount of electrical equipment 00:46:43.460 --> 00:46:47.680 and overlaid that on this map here in our Tier 2 area. 00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:48.513 In particular, 00:46:48.513 --> 00:46:50.940 it was really helpful for us to find out 00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:53.520 where all the overhead facilities were located 00:46:53.520 --> 00:46:56.700 as overhead equipment tends to pose a higher risk 00:46:56.700 --> 00:46:59.890 of ignition than underground equipment. 00:46:59.890 --> 00:47:03.910 About 5% of our overhead wire and BWP is electric system 00:47:03.910 --> 00:47:07.090 is located in the Tier 2 area. 00:47:07.090 --> 00:47:09.410 And all of these circuits in the Tier 2 area 00:47:09.410 --> 00:47:10.283 are four kV. 00:47:11.570 --> 00:47:12.520 Next slide, please. 00:47:17.740 --> 00:47:21.360 UWP reviewed historical risk driver events. 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.670 And we found that we had about 50 risk driver events 00:47:24.670 --> 00:47:28.760 over a 15-year period, dating back to 2005. 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.570 And while BWP's electrical equipment has not been known 00:47:32.570 --> 00:47:35.370 to ever cause the ignition of a wildfire, 00:47:35.370 --> 00:47:37.210 we recognize that knowing the type 00:47:37.210 --> 00:47:40.040 and frequency of these risk driver events 00:47:40.040 --> 00:47:41.027 in our Tier 2 area, 00:47:41.027 --> 00:47:44.060 this will help us know where we can further minimize 00:47:44.060 --> 00:47:47.053 the risk of wildfires by our equipment. 00:47:49.250 --> 00:47:50.083 Slide, please. 00:47:53.640 --> 00:47:55.240 After our assessments, 00:47:55.240 --> 00:47:59.030 we prioritize areas that pose the highest risk of ignition 00:47:59.030 --> 00:48:01.160 and spread it by wildfire. 00:48:01.160 --> 00:48:02.680 Our highest priority areas, 00:48:02.680 --> 00:48:06.270 2.1 is an area that exhibited a significant amount 00:48:06.270 --> 00:48:10.740 of a vegetation fuel, included a lot of overhead facilities 00:48:10.740 --> 00:48:14.450 and had some limited road access. 00:48:14.450 --> 00:48:15.400 Next slide, please. 00:48:19.670 --> 00:48:22.750 UWP has implemented several mitigation measures 00:48:22.750 --> 00:48:26.430 that have reduced the risk of wildfires of our equipment 00:48:26.430 --> 00:48:28.290 igniting a wildfire. 00:48:28.290 --> 00:48:30.470 I'll cover some of these highlighted activities 00:48:30.470 --> 00:48:31.483 shown in this slide. 00:48:33.660 --> 00:48:34.493 Slide, please. 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:42.220 Now we've performed intrusive pole inspections on every pole 00:48:42.220 --> 00:48:44.200 within the Tier 2 area. 00:48:44.200 --> 00:48:45.600 This helps us to identify 00:48:45.600 --> 00:48:49.560 and prioritize a deteriorated pole replacement. 00:48:49.560 --> 00:48:51.820 Based on the results of our inspections, 00:48:51.820 --> 00:48:54.940 each poll is given a rating that determines the priority 00:48:54.940 --> 00:48:56.823 and schedule of it's replacement. 00:48:57.750 --> 00:49:02.750 Since 2018, UWP has replaced 45 deteriorated polls 00:49:02.846 --> 00:49:04.090 in our Tier 2 area, 00:49:04.090 --> 00:49:07.253 which is about 7% of the polls in that Tier 2 area. 00:49:08.520 --> 00:49:09.620 Next slide, please. 00:49:14.330 --> 00:49:17.040 UWP also performs pole loading analysis 00:49:17.040 --> 00:49:19.340 anytime we replace a poll. 00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:20.250 In addition, 00:49:20.250 --> 00:49:23.420 we perform pole loading analysis for each pole 00:49:23.420 --> 00:49:26.570 on our highest risk circuit in the Tier 2 area. 00:49:26.570 --> 00:49:29.500 This resulted in one pole needing replacement 00:49:29.500 --> 00:49:31.750 and another pole needing additional guidance. 00:49:33.683 --> 00:49:34.516 Slide, please. 00:49:38.570 --> 00:49:40.140 In order to reduce the frequency 00:49:40.140 --> 00:49:44.550 of transformer fuse operations and transformer failures, 00:49:44.550 --> 00:49:47.670 we reduced our criteria in the Tier 2 area, 00:49:47.670 --> 00:49:51.110 such that transformers with more than 150% overload 00:49:51.110 --> 00:49:52.870 would be replaced. 00:49:52.870 --> 00:49:56.723 In 2020, we replaced 26 transformers in the Tier 2 area. 00:49:58.660 --> 00:49:59.493 Slide, please. 00:50:02.963 --> 00:50:05.590 While most utilities have implemented the best practice 00:50:05.590 --> 00:50:07.090 of blocking their reclosures 00:50:07.090 --> 00:50:09.910 during a red flag warning condition, 00:50:09.910 --> 00:50:13.120 UWP also increases the sensitivity of its protective 00:50:13.120 --> 00:50:15.840 relaying inside the substation, 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:19.220 which can significantly reduce the amounts of arcane energy 00:50:19.220 --> 00:50:21.240 during an electrical fault, 00:50:21.240 --> 00:50:23.263 thereby reducing the risk of wildfires. 00:50:24.220 --> 00:50:25.170 Next slide, please. 00:50:29.190 --> 00:50:34.190 Lastly, BWP is considering several other mitigation measures 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.513 such as covered conductors to reduce wire contact event. 00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:42.240 Replacement of explosive fuses to eliminate parking 00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:43.803 during a fuse operation. 00:50:44.900 --> 00:50:48.410 Field reclosures to minimize outage reservation times 00:50:48.410 --> 00:50:51.300 by isolating only the Tier 2 portion of a circuit 00:50:51.300 --> 00:50:53.090 after an outage. 00:50:53.090 --> 00:50:54.590 And following conductor protection 00:50:54.590 --> 00:50:57.620 to detect a broken conductor and de-energize it 00:50:57.620 --> 00:50:59.233 before it falls to the ground. 00:51:00.680 --> 00:51:01.770 Next slide, please. 00:51:05.110 --> 00:51:07.830 So that concludes my presentation. 00:51:07.830 --> 00:51:10.130 Thank you for the opportunity to share these aspects 00:51:10.130 --> 00:51:12.143 of BWP's wildfire mitigation plan. 00:51:13.952 --> 00:51:15.560 Thank you, Mr. Hernandez. 00:51:15.560 --> 00:51:18.140 In particular, I liked the proactive nature 00:51:18.140 --> 00:51:19.820 of your transmission, excuse me, 00:51:19.820 --> 00:51:23.713 transformer replacement program in Tier 2. 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:26.423 Thank you again for being here. 00:51:27.940 --> 00:51:31.670 Next, I would like to introduce Mr. Joe Gill, 00:51:31.670 --> 00:51:33.830 he's the assistant general manager 00:51:33.830 --> 00:51:36.070 of Turlock Irrigation District. 00:51:36.070 --> 00:51:36.903 Joe. 00:51:37.781 --> 00:51:40.360 I thank you board for allowing the district to come 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:42.263 and present our elements of our plan. 00:51:43.100 --> 00:51:46.130 We going over a number of items here that were requested 00:51:46.130 --> 00:51:49.310 to bring to the board's attention of all the efforts 00:51:49.310 --> 00:51:54.053 that we placed, details of our profile of our territory, 00:51:54.053 --> 00:51:56.387 mitigation measures that were implemented in 19 00:51:56.387 --> 00:51:58.430 and 20 and future, 00:51:58.430 --> 00:52:00.517 along with how we evaluated the mitigation measures. 00:52:00.517 --> 00:52:02.980 So basically our metrics that we developed, 00:52:02.980 --> 00:52:04.140 but before we begin, 00:52:04.140 --> 00:52:06.120 I'll give you a brief overview of the district. 00:52:06.120 --> 00:52:07.740 We were formed in 1887, 00:52:07.740 --> 00:52:10.510 we're the first irrigation districts in California. 00:52:10.510 --> 00:52:12.830 Were located right in Central California, 00:52:12.830 --> 00:52:15.410 we're 676 square miles, 00:52:15.410 --> 00:52:17.790 about 100,000 customers that we serve. 00:52:17.790 --> 00:52:20.820 And we have a peak of 571 that we recently just 00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:23.760 hit this summer with our heat wave coming through. 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.780 And we are a balancing authority within California. 00:52:26.780 --> 00:52:27.730 Next slide, please. 00:52:30.870 --> 00:52:33.010 So one of the aspects that we wanted to highlight 00:52:33.010 --> 00:52:36.540 with quality evaluated our service territory 00:52:36.540 --> 00:52:41.540 and in particular for the CPUC's Tier 2 and the SRA, 00:52:42.870 --> 00:52:45.310 we actually took both areas, both elements 00:52:45.310 --> 00:52:47.120 and overlay that over our service territory 00:52:47.120 --> 00:52:50.490 and identified all our substations and transmission lines 00:52:50.490 --> 00:52:51.870 and put those in perspective. 00:52:51.870 --> 00:52:55.060 And took the most conservative approach for implementing 00:52:55.060 --> 00:52:58.470 our mitigation measures with both the Tier 2 00:52:58.470 --> 00:53:00.273 and SRA requirements. 00:53:01.120 --> 00:53:01.953 Next slide. 00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.030 As we went down to each section of our territory 00:53:07.030 --> 00:53:10.000 as it you kind of soften the Ezra map. 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:14.160 Our areas are impacted on the tips of our service territory. 00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:17.160 And what you're seeing here is considered our West Side. 00:53:17.160 --> 00:53:19.620 This is divided by our Seneca County line. 00:53:19.620 --> 00:53:21.810 For those that are probably very familiar with it, 00:53:21.810 --> 00:53:23.530 this is an area that we had to contend 00:53:23.530 --> 00:53:26.390 with the SCU Lightning Complex Fire. 00:53:26.390 --> 00:53:28.487 And we had a number of our territory, 00:53:28.487 --> 00:53:31.090 oh sorry, services that were highlighted. 00:53:31.090 --> 00:53:33.930 And you can see on the map there in magenta color, 00:53:33.930 --> 00:53:35.350 there's our distribution lines. 00:53:35.350 --> 00:53:36.640 We actually really had to go out 00:53:36.640 --> 00:53:38.850 and repair all those facilities during this fire 00:53:38.850 --> 00:53:39.740 that we had to contend with. 00:53:39.740 --> 00:53:43.231 But all the mitigation measures that we've have implemented 00:53:43.231 --> 00:53:47.060 were very effective going through that event. 00:53:47.060 --> 00:53:49.790 But that's how we identified all our areas here 00:53:49.790 --> 00:53:51.990 for this particular zone. 00:53:51.990 --> 00:53:52.940 Next slide, please. 00:53:55.509 --> 00:53:56.940 And that goes to the other side of our territory. 00:53:56.940 --> 00:53:58.570 You can see that there's two different layers, 00:53:58.570 --> 00:54:00.180 as I mentioned, and this would really highlight. 00:54:00.180 --> 00:54:02.190 At the tip of our service territory, 00:54:02.190 --> 00:54:04.700 you can see where that's an orange color, 00:54:04.700 --> 00:54:09.090 that's what's identified as the high-risk Tier 2. 00:54:09.090 --> 00:54:11.280 And the light orange is the SRA. 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:14.320 And as I was mentioning that we took both areas 00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:17.370 and identified them as a high fire risk for the district 00:54:17.370 --> 00:54:18.940 and took the most conservative approach. 00:54:18.940 --> 00:54:22.160 So we went well beyond of what the CPUC requirements 00:54:22.160 --> 00:54:23.030 were here. 00:54:23.030 --> 00:54:26.690 Just ensure that the wildfire mitigation are impactful 00:54:26.690 --> 00:54:29.640 and also our customers are well aware of what actions 00:54:29.640 --> 00:54:31.790 we're taking for mitigation. 00:54:31.790 --> 00:54:32.623 Next one. 00:54:35.210 --> 00:54:37.530 For also identifying the profiles, 00:54:37.530 --> 00:54:40.560 really needed to see what type of vegetation management 00:54:40.560 --> 00:54:42.060 needed to be taken effect. 00:54:42.060 --> 00:54:44.580 We looked at both sides, as I mentioned for a territory, 00:54:44.580 --> 00:54:47.310 whether it's graph line, riparian, what it may be. 00:54:47.310 --> 00:54:50.720 So what type of tree trimming activities need to be taking. 00:54:50.720 --> 00:54:53.902 And also if there's any grass brush or even firebreaks 00:54:53.902 --> 00:54:55.870 that need to be taken in consideration, 00:54:55.870 --> 00:54:57.960 we're all evaluated based on how we identified 00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.383 our service territory. 00:55:00.640 --> 00:55:01.623 Next slide. 00:55:04.425 --> 00:55:05.610 And that goes for the West side. 00:55:05.610 --> 00:55:10.610 As we mentioned to the SCU Complex fire is high brush grass 00:55:10.630 --> 00:55:14.000 was in this area and the profile in this area 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:15.320 is much different than any other. 00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:16.990 We deal with the canyons 00:55:16.990 --> 00:55:18.770 and high winds in this particular area, 00:55:18.770 --> 00:55:21.480 which helped us evaluate what mitigation 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:25.570 seem to be impactful here based on the brush 00:55:25.570 --> 00:55:26.533 in this territory. 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:28.593 Next one. 00:55:31.310 --> 00:55:33.300 So as we identified the territory, 00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:36.850 we looked through what areas and what type of mitigation 00:55:36.850 --> 00:55:39.370 could be taken in the particular years. 00:55:39.370 --> 00:55:43.617 In 2019, we trimmed approximately about 2,400 trees. 00:55:43.617 --> 00:55:45.960 Any of them removed a number of those, 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.270 along with that, we utilized the aspect of removing 00:55:50.270 --> 00:55:53.330 all our non-exempt equipment that includes fuses, 00:55:53.330 --> 00:55:57.130 lightening arresters, switches and installed equipment 00:55:57.130 --> 00:55:59.480 such as fault tamers, our SME 20 fuses, 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.300 which are areas that we can actually include or utilize 00:56:02.300 --> 00:56:04.220 in those fires zones. 00:56:04.220 --> 00:56:07.140 We also changed our work practices and the work practices 00:56:07.140 --> 00:56:09.230 and include remove of non-reclosing 00:56:09.230 --> 00:56:12.530 as many IOUs and POUs have implemented, 00:56:12.530 --> 00:56:15.890 but also our work methods where we would avoid working 00:56:15.890 --> 00:56:17.810 in the red flag warning zones. 00:56:17.810 --> 00:56:21.340 But if a priority on maintenance would be required, 00:56:21.340 --> 00:56:24.490 the wildfire mitigation measure requires us 00:56:24.490 --> 00:56:28.180 to utilize a water buffalo to take up there with the crews 00:56:28.180 --> 00:56:30.130 so we can suppress any fires or anything 00:56:30.130 --> 00:56:33.130 that could contend with the work happening out in the field. 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.340 One of the biggest things that we were advocates of 00:56:37.340 --> 00:56:38.660 is working with our landowners, 00:56:38.660 --> 00:56:41.360 making sure that they understand their responsibilities. 00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:45.100 And ensuring that the new wood vegetation management 00:56:45.100 --> 00:56:48.260 that they need to contend with within their homes. 00:56:48.260 --> 00:56:50.550 And also the big thing is, is coordination. 00:56:50.550 --> 00:56:52.700 And you'll hear it from a number of POUs here, 00:56:52.700 --> 00:56:55.420 coordinating with Cal Fire was instrumental in developing 00:56:55.420 --> 00:56:58.240 our program and making sure that we have a good open line 00:56:58.240 --> 00:57:01.870 of communication with them to ensure what we're presenting 00:57:01.870 --> 00:57:02.950 is adequate. 00:57:02.950 --> 00:57:06.580 And it supports their efforts in the event 00:57:06.580 --> 00:57:08.190 of fighting a fire. 00:57:08.190 --> 00:57:10.570 And then lastly, it's public meetings, 00:57:10.570 --> 00:57:12.610 we've held a number of public meetings, 00:57:12.610 --> 00:57:15.250 making sure that all our customers are aware 00:57:15.250 --> 00:57:17.670 and those particular part of the territory, 00:57:17.670 --> 00:57:20.130 the efforts of the district is taken. 00:57:20.130 --> 00:57:20.963 Next one. 00:57:23.049 --> 00:57:24.920 And so in 2020 this year, 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.000 we did increase our patrols in the fire zones 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.120 that we have identified for the district. 00:57:31.120 --> 00:57:32.800 Intrusive pole testing is one of the items 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.440 that we've actually completed this year, 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:36.850 went through and looked at each area 00:57:36.850 --> 00:57:39.260 and now put together projects to complete those. 00:57:39.260 --> 00:57:42.070 So use of fiberglass poles or steel poles, 00:57:42.070 --> 00:57:43.700 depending upon the area. 00:57:43.700 --> 00:57:46.650 One of the things that we really looked at that was an issue 00:57:46.650 --> 00:57:49.600 is replacement of conductors in particular, copper. 00:57:49.600 --> 00:57:51.780 Copper is one of the areas in our territory 00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:54.290 that we've had for a number of years, that suits well, 00:57:54.290 --> 00:57:56.150 but it is prone to fall 00:57:56.150 --> 00:57:57.950 if there's an incident that occurs at the eight, 00:57:57.950 --> 00:58:01.100 if a bird gets into a line or there's a high fault current 00:58:01.100 --> 00:58:01.933 that occurred. 00:58:01.933 --> 00:58:04.570 So we really identify those areas. 00:58:04.570 --> 00:58:05.403 And then lastly, 00:58:05.403 --> 00:58:08.900 is there making sure our park control center has operations 00:58:08.900 --> 00:58:11.830 of their non-substation reclosure field operations 00:58:11.830 --> 00:58:12.663 of equipment. 00:58:13.540 --> 00:58:14.433 Next slide. 00:58:17.665 --> 00:58:20.710 And in future years, the drone is one of the items 00:58:20.710 --> 00:58:21.870 that we're gonna be setting into. 00:58:21.870 --> 00:58:23.160 We currently have a drone program, 00:58:23.160 --> 00:58:25.210 but we wanna enhance that drone program 00:58:25.210 --> 00:58:26.910 to include inspections within that area. 00:58:26.910 --> 00:58:29.010 Include infrared inspections 00:58:29.010 --> 00:58:31.040 and then considering undergrounding and use utilizing 00:58:31.040 --> 00:58:33.560 additional tree wire in certain areas. 00:58:33.560 --> 00:58:36.440 And then adopting some of these smart grid technologies 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:37.890 that are out there currently. 00:58:38.769 --> 00:58:40.090 And that's really gonna be instrumental 00:58:40.090 --> 00:58:42.900 of getting more information back to our operators to ensure 00:58:42.900 --> 00:58:46.660 that we can operate the facilities appropriately 00:58:46.660 --> 00:58:48.123 and ensuring that there's no fire 00:58:48.123 --> 00:58:49.963 that are being caused by them. 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:51.833 Next one. 00:58:54.420 --> 00:58:56.010 And so this goes into our metrics 00:58:56.010 --> 00:58:57.840 of how the mitigation measures 00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.880 that we've implemented and what can we do to ensure 00:59:01.900 --> 00:59:05.160 that the measures that we have are actually effective. 00:59:05.160 --> 00:59:07.670 And so there's a number of items that we've listed here 00:59:07.670 --> 00:59:09.920 for staff to continue to report on 00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:13.380 whether we have the vegetation caused outage, 00:59:13.380 --> 00:59:15.380 what is the source of that information where we get it 00:59:15.380 --> 00:59:16.640 from the field? 00:59:16.640 --> 00:59:21.410 And from that point on was that during a red flag warning? 00:59:21.410 --> 00:59:23.950 And that kind of puts down to yes, it was or wasn't. 00:59:23.950 --> 00:59:26.823 And what impacts did we have regarding that the mitigation 00:59:26.823 --> 00:59:28.250 that was put in place? 00:59:28.250 --> 00:59:30.883 And then evaluation would come down for us to say, 00:59:31.940 --> 00:59:34.750 so we trimmed say 2000 trees, for example. 00:59:34.750 --> 00:59:38.160 And well, how effective was that in that particular area? 00:59:38.160 --> 00:59:40.480 If we had a fire that occurred in that particular area, 00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:41.980 what other measures can be implemented? 00:59:41.980 --> 00:59:45.000 So we need to spray herbicides, 00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.290 additional herbicides around each pole, 00:59:47.290 --> 00:59:48.870 our firebreaks with on each pole. 00:59:48.870 --> 00:59:51.490 So the metrics that we implemented, 00:59:51.490 --> 00:59:55.190 we felt that it's very helpful for us to identify projects 00:59:55.190 --> 00:59:58.090 in the future and how we can currently, 00:59:58.090 --> 01:00:01.440 and also in the future advance our walk, 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:02.590 our mitigation program. 01:00:04.245 --> 01:00:07.197 And that concludes the district's presentation. 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:10.760 Excellent. 01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:14.883 Thank you very much, Mr. Gail, we truly do appreciate that. 01:00:15.990 --> 01:00:20.110 Next up, we have Bradley Kresge. 01:00:20.110 --> 01:00:23.773 The General Manager, Surprise Valley Electrification Corp. 01:00:26.540 --> 01:00:29.370 Hi, I'm actually DJ Northrup. 01:00:29.370 --> 01:00:31.120 I'm the member service manager 01:00:31.120 --> 01:00:33.030 with the Surprise Valley Electric. 01:00:33.030 --> 01:00:35.000 I'm the presenter today. 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:36.800 Brad is on the phone in his office, 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:40.650 so he will be available for any questions for the board 01:00:40.650 --> 01:00:42.673 or from the board later on. 01:00:43.603 --> 01:00:44.890 All right DJ, thank you. 01:00:44.890 --> 01:00:46.650 No problem. 01:00:46.650 --> 01:00:47.483 Next slide. 01:00:56.220 --> 01:00:57.123 Next slide please. 01:00:59.250 --> 01:01:03.440 Surprise Valley Electrification Corp is a private non-profit 01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:08.440 electric cooperative founded in 1937 and energized in 1938 01:01:08.830 --> 01:01:12.040 to provide reliable electric service to the member owners 01:01:12.040 --> 01:01:14.110 at the lowest rate possible. 01:01:14.110 --> 01:01:18.160 SVEC Service Area extends north to Summer Lake Oregon, 01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:20.690 south to Ravendale, California. 01:01:20.690 --> 01:01:25.063 West to Day, California, and East to Vya, Nevada. 01:01:26.330 --> 01:01:28.790 The area highlighted with the blue lines on the map 01:01:28.790 --> 01:01:32.150 is a joint service territory that SVEC shares 01:01:32.150 --> 01:01:34.040 with Pacific Corp. 01:01:34.040 --> 01:01:38.734 The total area served is 7,650 square miles. 01:01:38.734 --> 01:01:40.538 (phone beeping) 01:01:40.538 --> 01:01:42.280 As of November 12th, 2020, 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:46.770 the cooperative serves 6,729 electric meters. 01:01:46.770 --> 01:01:50.490 Out of those accounts 5,535 are residential 01:01:50.490 --> 01:01:51.960 and commercial meters. 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.683 And 1,194 serve agricultural irrigation pumps. 01:01:57.190 --> 01:02:00.230 SVEC Service Area falls within the service boundary 01:02:00.230 --> 01:02:02.320 of Bonneville Power Administration, 01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:05.210 making us the only California cooperative that can purchase 01:02:05.210 --> 01:02:08.623 wholesale electricity from that federal power agency. 01:02:09.870 --> 01:02:10.703 Next slide. 01:02:14.290 --> 01:02:19.290 Out of the 2,158 miles of total overhead transmission, 01:02:19.650 --> 01:02:22.140 distribution and underground line, 01:02:22.140 --> 01:02:27.140 SVEC only has 464 miles of line or roughly 21% of our system 01:02:29.080 --> 01:02:32.620 fall under the Tier 2 fire zone category. 01:02:32.620 --> 01:02:36.843 SVEC has 0% that falls under Tier 3 category. 01:02:38.680 --> 01:02:39.513 Next slide. 01:02:42.750 --> 01:02:45.620 This is a high level map of SVEC's assets 01:02:45.620 --> 01:02:48.610 throughout Modoc and Lassen counties. 01:02:48.610 --> 01:02:50.900 This map shows our entire electrical system 01:02:50.900 --> 01:02:54.093 where it's spans in regards to the Tier 2 fire zone. 01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:57.153 Next slide. 01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:03.950 SVEC has an extensive inspection program 01:03:03.950 --> 01:03:07.260 for our transmission distribution and underground line. 01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:11.130 SVEC also inspects every single substation monthly 01:03:11.130 --> 01:03:13.630 to make sure everything is operating as it should. 01:03:15.290 --> 01:03:17.570 All inspection reports are submitted 01:03:17.570 --> 01:03:19.810 to the California Public Utility Commission every year 01:03:19.810 --> 01:03:23.690 to be in compliance with GO95, GO165 and GO174. 01:03:27.070 --> 01:03:27.903 Next slide. 01:03:30.980 --> 01:03:35.220 SVEC prioritizes our maintenance on a three-level scale. 01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:37.610 Priority one is considered an immediate hazard 01:03:37.610 --> 01:03:40.590 and needs to be taken care of as soon as possible. 01:03:40.590 --> 01:03:43.410 Priority two is considered a non-emergency repair 01:03:43.410 --> 01:03:46.160 and will be prioritized by urgency within one year 01:03:46.160 --> 01:03:47.193 where practicable. 01:03:48.560 --> 01:03:52.210 Priority three is also considered a non-emergency repair 01:03:52.210 --> 01:03:54.810 and will be noted by the inspector on the urgency 01:03:54.810 --> 01:03:57.410 of the work needed to be completed within two years. 01:03:59.030 --> 01:03:59.863 Next slide. 01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:08.260 SVEC implements a GIS or geographic information system. 01:04:08.260 --> 01:04:09.540 With this system in place, 01:04:09.540 --> 01:04:12.240 it allows us to work side-by-side with Cal Fire, 01:04:12.240 --> 01:04:14.680 Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management 01:04:14.680 --> 01:04:16.480 and other agencies. 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:20.540 We can share the exact location of our entire system, 01:04:20.540 --> 01:04:23.650 allowing them to see where natural firebreaks may occur 01:04:23.650 --> 01:04:25.980 due to our established Right of Ways. 01:04:25.980 --> 01:04:29.130 In return, the fire agencies can share with us the location 01:04:29.130 --> 01:04:31.210 of the fire and their crews. 01:04:31.210 --> 01:04:34.090 This allows us to determine if a certain area may need 01:04:34.090 --> 01:04:36.760 to be de-energized to prevent any utility fires 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:37.593 from happening. 01:04:39.090 --> 01:04:39.923 Next slide. 01:04:43.870 --> 01:04:47.070 One major resource to Surprise Valley electrification Corps 01:04:47.070 --> 01:04:49.580 has been the California Department of Corrections 01:04:49.580 --> 01:04:52.370 Devil's Garden Conservation Camp. 01:04:52.370 --> 01:04:55.880 SVEC works alongside the Modoc Fire Safe Council 01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:58.053 who works directly with the CDCR. 01:04:58.890 --> 01:05:01.100 The CDCR staff and inmates 01:05:01.100 --> 01:05:04.010 have not only been a huge asset to us, 01:05:04.010 --> 01:05:05.760 but to the local community as well. 01:05:06.660 --> 01:05:09.130 The CDCR crews were able to open back up 01:05:09.130 --> 01:05:10.760 our existing Right of Way 01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:12.560 underneath our overhead power lines. 01:05:13.430 --> 01:05:15.710 This allowed SVEC to then get a dozer 01:05:15.710 --> 01:05:17.233 to re-establish the roads. 01:05:18.190 --> 01:05:21.650 The benefits of having this fuel break is easier access 01:05:21.650 --> 01:05:24.820 for us to maintain our infant structure harding 01:05:24.820 --> 01:05:28.580 in our system by upgrading our transmission poles 01:05:28.580 --> 01:05:30.340 and to prevent a utility fire, 01:05:30.340 --> 01:05:32.533 as well as cutting down on outage times. 01:05:33.980 --> 01:05:37.090 The benefit for all other agency is knowing 01:05:37.090 --> 01:05:40.230 that the fuel break is in place in case of a wildfire. 01:05:40.230 --> 01:05:42.070 Without this very much needed resource 01:05:42.070 --> 01:05:44.420 of the Devil's Garden Conservation Camp, 01:05:44.420 --> 01:05:48.340 SVEC would fall behind in a wildfire mitigation plan. 01:05:48.340 --> 01:05:51.300 The CDCR is a very much needed fuel break solution 01:05:51.300 --> 01:05:53.810 for the entire State of California. 01:05:53.810 --> 01:05:56.690 SVEC would highly recommend all utilities look 01:05:56.690 --> 01:05:58.950 into using the CDCR or partnering up 01:05:58.950 --> 01:06:00.913 with a local fire safe council. 01:06:02.420 --> 01:06:03.253 Next slide. 01:06:07.060 --> 01:06:09.900 I've included here some pictures of the CDCR crews 01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:11.950 cleaning up the Right of Ways by removing new 01:06:11.950 --> 01:06:13.633 and old growth, Juniper trees. 01:06:15.590 --> 01:06:16.423 Next slide. 01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:23.770 Once the Juniper trees have been removed, 01:06:23.770 --> 01:06:26.190 this allowed SVEC to get in with the dozer 01:06:26.190 --> 01:06:27.920 to re-establish the existing road 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:31.853 along our transmission line once the crews were finished. 01:06:34.640 --> 01:06:35.473 Next slide. 01:06:40.334 --> 01:06:43.330 SCEC hired a contractor using masticator to remove the brush 01:06:43.330 --> 01:06:44.520 along the county right of way, 01:06:44.520 --> 01:06:47.330 preparing for a new stronger distribution line to be built 01:06:47.330 --> 01:06:49.933 to meet California Public Utility Commission Code. 01:06:52.270 --> 01:06:53.103 Next slide. 01:06:57.370 --> 01:07:02.110 SCEC hired a year round tree trimming crew 01:07:02.110 --> 01:07:03.610 to keep our right of ways cleared 01:07:03.610 --> 01:07:06.270 while maintaining fire clearances as described 01:07:06.270 --> 01:07:08.343 in our wildfire mitigation plan. 01:07:09.340 --> 01:07:12.140 They work year round, Oregon, California. 01:07:12.140 --> 01:07:16.923 They clear transmission distribution, very handy. 01:07:18.140 --> 01:07:18.973 Next slide. 01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:24.850 This is just showing in our wildfire mitigation plan 01:07:24.850 --> 01:07:28.490 the clearances that we require for the fire crews 01:07:28.490 --> 01:07:33.173 for the Devils Garden, Cal Fire, this is what we expect. 01:07:34.570 --> 01:07:35.520 Next slide, please. 01:07:39.260 --> 01:07:41.570 Thank you for having us, choosing us. 01:07:41.570 --> 01:07:44.290 I know we're a small cooperative in a big state, 01:07:44.290 --> 01:07:47.430 so to get included in this was very important 01:07:47.430 --> 01:07:48.873 for Brad and myself. 01:08:09.688 --> 01:08:12.191 Chair Edwards. (laughing) 01:08:12.191 --> 01:08:13.370 Thank you so much. 01:08:13.370 --> 01:08:14.707 Edwards, did we lose you? 01:08:23.695 --> 01:08:24.528 All right. 01:08:24.528 --> 01:08:29.180 Well, let's just move on to our last presenter 01:08:31.670 --> 01:08:33.133 of the day, please. 01:08:34.290 --> 01:08:38.100 Lora Anguay, oh my goodness, I might've killed that. 01:08:38.100 --> 01:08:39.890 Interim chief grid strategies 01:08:39.890 --> 01:08:43.513 and operations officer for SMUD, I apologize Lora. 01:08:44.400 --> 01:08:46.670 That's okay, can everyone hear me? 01:08:46.670 --> 01:08:50.180 My apologies as well Lora, my phone came unplugged, 01:08:50.180 --> 01:08:51.573 please continue, thank you. 01:08:52.470 --> 01:08:53.303 Okay, thank you. 01:08:53.303 --> 01:08:54.136 Can you hear me? 01:08:54.136 --> 01:08:54.969 Am I on? 01:08:54.969 --> 01:08:57.140 Sorry. Yep. 01:08:57.140 --> 01:08:57.973 Okay, perfect. 01:08:57.973 --> 01:08:59.950 I just didn't see the video going, so I wasn't sure. 01:08:59.950 --> 01:09:01.220 So good afternoon, thank you. 01:09:01.220 --> 01:09:03.320 And then to you and to the entire board, 01:09:03.320 --> 01:09:05.470 I'm Lora Anguay, the Interim Chief Grid Strategy 01:09:05.470 --> 01:09:08.080 and Operations Officer for SMUD. 01:09:08.080 --> 01:09:09.030 Next slide, please. 01:09:12.610 --> 01:09:14.470 So these are the comments that we received back 01:09:14.470 --> 01:09:16.780 from the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board in the areas 01:09:16.780 --> 01:09:19.660 that we were asked to focus our presentation on. 01:09:19.660 --> 01:09:21.850 So the first is around our risk assessment 01:09:21.850 --> 01:09:24.877 and the identification of programs that mitigate each risk. 01:09:24.877 --> 01:09:27.870 And the second is our vegetation management program. 01:09:27.870 --> 01:09:30.470 And then last is our infrastructure inspection programs 01:09:30.470 --> 01:09:32.683 for identification of potential hazard. 01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:36.750 Until I can turn my video, oh, I'm sorry. 01:09:36.750 --> 01:09:39.490 Got it, thank you. 01:09:39.490 --> 01:09:40.440 Next slide, please. 01:09:43.710 --> 01:09:45.407 So SMUD is located in Northern California 01:09:45.407 --> 01:09:48.040 and we provide electric service to our customers 01:09:48.040 --> 01:09:49.840 within the Sacramento County 01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:51.810 and a small portion of Placer County. 01:09:51.810 --> 01:09:54.640 If you look at the Eastern portion of our service territory, 01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:56.967 the area in yellow is the state responsibility area. 01:09:56.967 --> 01:09:58.160 And in later slides, 01:09:58.160 --> 01:10:00.340 but you'll see that this area actually borders 01:10:00.340 --> 01:10:02.740 the CPUC high fire threat district. 01:10:02.740 --> 01:10:06.260 We have roughly 640,000 customers and serve a population 01:10:06.260 --> 01:10:08.680 of about 1 1/2 million people. 01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:09.513 Next slide. 01:10:12.850 --> 01:10:15.440 For the development of our wildfire risk mitigation plan, 01:10:15.440 --> 01:10:17.860 we conducted a risk assessment similar to the rest 01:10:17.860 --> 01:10:20.210 of the utilities that have spoken today 01:10:20.210 --> 01:10:23.000 to identify the key risk drivers and their impacts. 01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:24.720 We identified existing programs 01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:26.820 and procedures to help mitigate the risk. 01:10:26.820 --> 01:10:29.310 And then we look to see where we had gaps 01:10:29.310 --> 01:10:31.710 and we also surveyed the industry for best practices. 01:10:31.710 --> 01:10:34.650 We reviewed new and emerging technologies to determine 01:10:34.650 --> 01:10:37.020 what additional activities if needed were, 01:10:37.020 --> 01:10:38.880 that we needed to include to further mitigate 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:40.073 our wildfire risk. 01:10:41.330 --> 01:10:42.163 Next slide. 01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:47.020 Our plan also takes into consideration 01:10:47.020 --> 01:10:49.720 our geographical risks and we prioritize work streams 01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:51.100 within these areas. 01:10:51.100 --> 01:10:52.160 And on the left-hand side 01:10:52.160 --> 01:10:54.410 is the CPUC's high fire threaten up. 01:10:54.410 --> 01:10:56.370 The black outline within the center of that map 01:10:56.370 --> 01:10:57.660 is my service territory. 01:10:57.660 --> 01:11:00.120 And you can see that our service territory is not located 01:11:00.120 --> 01:11:02.120 within the high fire threat district. 01:11:02.120 --> 01:11:03.787 However, we do have hydrogeneration 01:11:03.787 --> 01:11:06.060 and transmission facilities that are located 01:11:06.060 --> 01:11:07.930 within the high fire threat area 01:11:07.930 --> 01:11:10.330 for our upper American river project or the UARP, 01:11:10.330 --> 01:11:12.230 which is located in Eldorado County. 01:11:12.230 --> 01:11:14.630 And that's slightly east of our service territory. 01:11:14.630 --> 01:11:18.850 We have about 130 circuit miles of transmission lines 01:11:18.850 --> 01:11:20.600 within the high fire threat districts. 01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:21.433 And in addition, 01:11:21.433 --> 01:11:23.720 we have about three miles of distribution lines 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:25.430 located in that area to provide power 01:11:25.430 --> 01:11:26.830 to those generations sights. 01:11:27.730 --> 01:11:30.710 On the right hand side is Cal Fire's high severity zone map, 01:11:30.710 --> 01:11:33.590 which is based on all the ignition risks 01:11:33.590 --> 01:11:36.350 and not just based on electrical facilities. 01:11:36.350 --> 01:11:37.460 On the Cal Fire map, 01:11:37.460 --> 01:11:39.770 we do have one area within our service territory 01:11:39.770 --> 01:11:42.370 that is deemed higher risk based on the conditions 01:11:42.370 --> 01:11:43.570 of that area. 01:11:43.570 --> 01:11:48.020 It's the small area in the red, just Southwest of elk Grove, 01:11:48.020 --> 01:11:50.190 the area is a residential neighborhood that contains 01:11:50.190 --> 01:11:52.760 about 100 homes and they were built in the middle 01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:54.123 of a eucalyptus Grove. 01:11:55.200 --> 01:11:57.330 In the neighborhood, there's a lack of defensible space 01:11:57.330 --> 01:11:58.750 from these trees. 01:11:58.750 --> 01:12:01.160 It's also filled with tall dry grass, 01:12:01.160 --> 01:12:03.430 there's limited routes in and out of this neighborhood. 01:12:03.430 --> 01:12:05.660 And we do have overhead facilities located 01:12:05.660 --> 01:12:07.180 within this neighborhood. 01:12:07.180 --> 01:12:09.380 You can also see that all their service territory 01:12:09.380 --> 01:12:11.030 is outside of the high fire threat area. 01:12:11.030 --> 01:12:13.680 Again, the Eastern portion of our service territory, 01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.410 which is the state responsibility area, 01:12:15.410 --> 01:12:17.540 borders that high fire threat district. 01:12:17.540 --> 01:12:18.700 As we developed our plan, 01:12:18.700 --> 01:12:21.430 we have taken into consideration the geographical risks 01:12:21.430 --> 01:12:23.420 within the UARP and the SRA 01:12:23.420 --> 01:12:25.140 that borders the high fire threat area, 01:12:25.140 --> 01:12:28.190 and then the eucalyptus Grove that was deemed high hazard 01:12:28.190 --> 01:12:29.023 by Cal Fire. 01:12:29.023 --> 01:12:30.870 And we've prioritized our mitigation efforts 01:12:30.870 --> 01:12:32.720 within those areas. 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:33.553 Next slide. 01:12:36.790 --> 01:12:38.660 Foundational to our mitigation efforts 01:12:38.660 --> 01:12:40.640 is our vegetation management program. 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:42.870 We're using LiDAR technology to augment 01:12:42.870 --> 01:12:45.540 our boots on the ground of vegetation inspections, 01:12:45.540 --> 01:12:48.600 to identify trees that need to be removed or tree work 01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:50.010 that needs to be completed. 01:12:50.010 --> 01:12:50.860 We're using LiDAR, 01:12:50.860 --> 01:12:53.790 which is light detection and raging technology 01:12:53.790 --> 01:12:56.500 to more accurately measure the distance between our assets 01:12:56.500 --> 01:12:58.870 and vegetation and other objects. 01:12:58.870 --> 01:13:00.950 From the helicopter during the LiDAR survey, 01:13:00.950 --> 01:13:05.320 there's about 300,000 to 500,000 laser pulses per second. 01:13:05.320 --> 01:13:09.020 And that reflection is then captured by a sensor. 01:13:09.020 --> 01:13:10.830 The distances and wavelengths are then used 01:13:10.830 --> 01:13:12.250 to create a 3D map, 01:13:12.250 --> 01:13:16.210 which is about six to eight centimeters of accuracy. 01:13:16.210 --> 01:13:18.670 We do this for both the distribution and the transmission 01:13:18.670 --> 01:13:21.630 facilities located within the UARP and our lines located 01:13:21.630 --> 01:13:23.870 within the state responsibility area. 01:13:23.870 --> 01:13:26.360 Many of the locations in the UARP are hard to get to this. 01:13:26.360 --> 01:13:28.510 So this really helps with augmenting again, 01:13:28.510 --> 01:13:30.397 our vegetation management inspections 01:13:30.397 --> 01:13:31.763 and our planning efforts. 01:13:32.730 --> 01:13:33.563 Next slide. 01:13:38.593 --> 01:13:41.050 So this LiDAR mapping is completed 01:13:41.050 --> 01:13:43.270 during the lighter inspection process. 01:13:43.270 --> 01:13:45.310 The trees in red are detected growing. 01:13:45.310 --> 01:13:46.930 These detections are field verified 01:13:46.930 --> 01:13:48.250 by our veg management team 01:13:48.250 --> 01:13:49.840 to determine the final work needs, 01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:51.930 which is either pruning or removal. 01:13:51.930 --> 01:13:54.330 The images allows SMUD's vegetation management team 01:13:54.330 --> 01:13:55.890 to make operational decisions 01:13:55.890 --> 01:13:57.773 and quickly identify work area. 01:13:59.320 --> 01:14:00.153 Next slide. 01:14:05.240 --> 01:14:08.080 The trees in yellow had been identified as overstride trees 01:14:08.080 --> 01:14:10.470 or trees that are telling us to strike their conductor 01:14:10.470 --> 01:14:11.670 if it were fall. 01:14:11.670 --> 01:14:13.570 We've done a lot of outreach with the landowners 01:14:13.570 --> 01:14:16.100 to allow clearances beyond our normal right of ways. 01:14:16.100 --> 01:14:17.520 This has been highly successful 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.710 given the current wildfire environment. 01:14:19.710 --> 01:14:21.860 We've completed the LiDAR vegetation sections 01:14:21.860 --> 01:14:24.450 each year since 2017 and are planning 01:14:24.450 --> 01:14:26.903 to complete this again in 2021. 01:14:28.480 --> 01:14:29.313 Next slide. 01:14:32.989 --> 01:14:35.060 So this is an image of some of the work that was completed 01:14:35.060 --> 01:14:37.510 this past summer to show the extent of our vegetation 01:14:37.510 --> 01:14:40.615 management program in the high fire threat areas. 01:14:40.615 --> 01:14:42.015 We can go to the next slide. 01:14:44.930 --> 01:14:46.740 And this is the before and after picture again. 01:14:46.740 --> 01:14:48.510 You can see on the left-hand side, 01:14:48.510 --> 01:14:50.220 there are trees within the right of ways 01:14:50.220 --> 01:14:51.940 that are potential grow ins. 01:14:51.940 --> 01:14:54.640 There's also potential overstride trees as well. 01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:56.700 And then the picture on the right is the after picture, 01:14:56.700 --> 01:14:59.620 which shows that these trees have been removed. 01:14:59.620 --> 01:15:00.493 Next slide. 01:15:05.050 --> 01:15:06.650 The LiDAR imagery here was taken 01:15:06.650 --> 01:15:07.990 within our service territory 01:15:07.990 --> 01:15:10.270 within that state responsibility area. 01:15:10.270 --> 01:15:11.590 The video shows the grow in 01:15:11.590 --> 01:15:13.400 and the distance to the three civil lines. 01:15:13.400 --> 01:15:15.070 And again, helps to quickly identify 01:15:15.070 --> 01:15:17.600 and prioritize the vegetation management work 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:18.973 that needs to be completed. 01:15:20.860 --> 01:15:22.610 You can just get to the next slide. 01:15:27.190 --> 01:15:29.310 This slide is specific to the eucalyptus Grove. 01:15:29.310 --> 01:15:32.210 Again, the eucalyptus Grove is that an area that's located 01:15:32.210 --> 01:15:33.440 within our service territory 01:15:33.440 --> 01:15:35.650 that was deemed higher risk by Cal Fire 01:15:35.650 --> 01:15:37.690 and based on the density and flammable nature 01:15:37.690 --> 01:15:39.430 of the trees within that area. 01:15:39.430 --> 01:15:40.950 On the left-hand side are the before 01:15:40.950 --> 01:15:42.920 and after vegetation management pictures 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:44.850 of the eucalyptus Grove. 01:15:44.850 --> 01:15:45.810 Also in this area, 01:15:45.810 --> 01:15:47.530 we are working with our customers 01:15:47.530 --> 01:15:48.870 to gain additional clearances, 01:15:48.870 --> 01:15:50.970 similar to what we did in with the landowners 01:15:50.970 --> 01:15:53.210 within the UARP to gain clearances 01:15:53.210 --> 01:15:54.520 beyond our normal Right of Ways. 01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:57.190 And to minimize the potential of a fallen. 01:15:57.190 --> 01:15:59.050 On the right hand side of the slide, 01:15:59.050 --> 01:16:01.310 it shows the per customer cost comparison 01:16:01.310 --> 01:16:02.610 for vegetation management work. 01:16:02.610 --> 01:16:06.700 And it compares the average vegetation management cost 01:16:06.700 --> 01:16:08.810 per customer within eucalyptus Grove, 01:16:08.810 --> 01:16:13.330 which is shown in gray against the average customer costs 01:16:14.240 --> 01:16:16.960 for customers that reside outside of our outside 01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:17.820 of the eucalyptus Grove, 01:16:17.820 --> 01:16:19.720 but in the rest of our service territory, 01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:21.030 which is shown in blue. 01:16:21.030 --> 01:16:22.710 And you can see that we're spending a good deal, 01:16:22.710 --> 01:16:24.920 more per customer within the eucalyptus Grove, 01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:27.410 but this is intentional based on the characteristics 01:16:27.410 --> 01:16:28.463 of that area. 01:16:29.530 --> 01:16:30.413 Next slide. 01:16:33.550 --> 01:16:35.300 This is our splice assessment program, 01:16:35.300 --> 01:16:37.920 and splicing can become a point of failure. 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:40.000 The program is designed to assess the integrity 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.280 of our transmission conductor slices. 01:16:42.280 --> 01:16:44.160 The picture in the middle shows the x-ray machine 01:16:44.160 --> 01:16:46.810 that is used to take an image of the splice, 01:16:46.810 --> 01:16:48.610 inspectors and evaluate the splice image 01:16:48.610 --> 01:16:51.330 to determine the internal condition of the splice. 01:16:51.330 --> 01:16:54.310 To identify splices that need to be repaired or close 01:16:54.310 --> 01:16:56.260 to failure or need to be replaced. 01:16:56.260 --> 01:16:59.940 The image on the right is an inline splice corrector 01:16:59.940 --> 01:17:02.540 that strengthens the splice that when it's needed. 01:17:02.540 --> 01:17:06.010 And we started this process in 2017 and we will complete all 01:17:06.010 --> 01:17:08.610 of the inspections of our transmission slices in the UARP 01:17:08.610 --> 01:17:09.693 by the end this year. 01:17:11.300 --> 01:17:12.133 Next slide. 01:17:16.006 --> 01:17:17.390 The SMUD contracted with Kiewit 01:17:17.390 --> 01:17:21.450 to pilot the use of drones to capture high resolution images 01:17:21.450 --> 01:17:23.430 of our transmission assets that are located 01:17:23.430 --> 01:17:26.630 within the UARP to augment our inspection processes. 01:17:26.630 --> 01:17:28.580 These are sample images from another project 01:17:28.580 --> 01:17:33.460 that were taken about 30 feet away from the energized lines. 01:17:33.460 --> 01:17:36.100 The image is from 100 mega pixel camera 01:17:36.100 --> 01:17:38.210 that's mounted on the top of a drone. 01:17:38.210 --> 01:17:40.080 On the computer, the image can be zoomed in 01:17:40.080 --> 01:17:43.550 to identify loose or missing Cotter pins and other hardware. 01:17:43.550 --> 01:17:46.920 You can also see the where at different connection points 01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:49.030 such as see hooks. 01:17:49.030 --> 01:17:50.510 Once the images are captured, 01:17:50.510 --> 01:17:54.040 they're process through an artificial intelligence platform 01:17:54.040 --> 01:17:56.600 that is using image recognition software 01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:58.300 to identify defects. 01:17:58.300 --> 01:18:00.280 Since the AI platform is fairly new, 01:18:00.280 --> 01:18:03.170 we're also doing 100% QA of all of the photos. 01:18:03.170 --> 01:18:06.440 We're using VOLT, which is visual online lineman team. 01:18:06.440 --> 01:18:09.390 And defects that are missed by the AI platform 01:18:09.390 --> 01:18:12.530 are then fed back into the AI platform to help 01:18:12.530 --> 01:18:14.600 with the training of the application 01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:16.850 and detecting additional defects. 01:18:16.850 --> 01:18:18.940 We just completed the first phase of our pilot, 01:18:18.940 --> 01:18:22.110 which is about half of the towers located within the UARP. 01:18:22.110 --> 01:18:23.630 The images are currently being processed 01:18:23.630 --> 01:18:24.920 and we'll have those results soon. 01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:29.920 And we plan to finish the rest of the assets located 01:18:30.280 --> 01:18:32.580 within the UARP at the beginning of next year. 01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:34.393 Thank you. 01:18:35.860 --> 01:18:37.763 Next slide, I think that's it. 01:18:42.400 --> 01:18:44.020 Wow. 01:18:44.020 --> 01:18:48.870 I have to admit some of the graphics are downright cool. 01:18:48.870 --> 01:18:50.320 Thank you very much for that. 01:18:51.180 --> 01:18:52.013 Thank you. 01:18:52.970 --> 01:18:53.803 All right. 01:18:53.803 --> 01:18:58.290 What we are going to enter into now is a kind of a Q and A 01:18:58.290 --> 01:19:01.980 portion between the board and the presenters. 01:19:01.980 --> 01:19:04.980 So if we can ensure that all of the presenters 01:19:04.980 --> 01:19:08.930 are connected and can hear the board, 01:19:08.930 --> 01:19:12.330 I'm gonna start since I can only see four people at a time, 01:19:12.330 --> 01:19:15.840 I'm gonna start with our (indistinct) Vice-chair, 01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:17.033 Ms. Diane Fellman. 01:19:19.610 --> 01:19:20.800 Thanks dear Edwards. 01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:22.693 Can everyone hear me all right? 01:19:24.547 --> 01:19:25.380 Yeah, absolutely. 01:19:25.380 --> 01:19:27.543 I just want to thank everyone. 01:19:28.460 --> 01:19:29.293 Am I on audio? 01:19:29.293 --> 01:19:32.530 I'm having an epic tech failure today, so- 01:19:32.530 --> 01:19:33.870 We can hear you. 01:19:33.870 --> 01:19:36.053 Bear with me, great, thanks Marcy. 01:19:37.360 --> 01:19:40.830 I wanna thank all the panelists and since we're short 01:19:40.830 --> 01:19:43.760 on time and long on questions, I'll just jump into mine. 01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:47.010 And it's directed to all of the participants 01:19:47.890 --> 01:19:52.890 because it was something we noticed and actually I'll go to, 01:19:53.660 --> 01:19:55.480 I'd like Healdsburg to kick it off 01:19:55.480 --> 01:20:00.480 and then we can go to the other POUs and the co-op. 01:20:02.040 --> 01:20:05.173 Healdsburg, in your WMP, 01:20:06.010 --> 01:20:08.883 we noticed that you talked about how PG&Es, 01:20:09.794 --> 01:20:12.310 PSPS impacted you. 01:20:12.310 --> 01:20:17.310 And we also noticed that in the other WMP, 01:20:17.340 --> 01:20:22.340 there was a discussion of the utility specific PSPS 01:20:23.540 --> 01:20:25.720 for the publicly owned utilities, 01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:28.190 but really no discussion 01:20:28.190 --> 01:20:32.453 or very little discussion of how the IOUs, 01:20:32.453 --> 01:20:35.280 PSPS would affect the service territory. 01:20:35.280 --> 01:20:36.790 So Healdsburg, 01:20:36.790 --> 01:20:40.070 could you please indicate why you included that? 01:20:40.070 --> 01:20:45.070 And then perhaps just one of the others could indicate, 01:20:45.370 --> 01:20:49.067 how you see that the IOU-PSPS discussion 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:56.073 being important or the importance of it in your WMP? 01:20:59.270 --> 01:21:01.730 So thank you for the question. 01:21:01.730 --> 01:21:04.587 We are transfusion dependent on PG&E. 01:21:04.587 --> 01:21:08.690 And so if PG&E decides to shut down their transmission line, 01:21:08.690 --> 01:21:12.603 that would lose power to our entire community. 01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:15.740 So it's not just areas of Tier 2 01:21:15.740 --> 01:21:18.380 that we would look at focusing on, but the entire community. 01:21:18.380 --> 01:21:21.200 So all of our fire stations, police, hospitals, 01:21:21.200 --> 01:21:23.940 care centers, everybody at that point 01:21:23.940 --> 01:21:26.160 loses power for the duration of that event. 01:21:26.160 --> 01:21:29.090 So the challenge is we have the obligation 01:21:29.090 --> 01:21:30.310 to notify our customers. 01:21:30.310 --> 01:21:33.613 PG&E doesn't have that visibility to who our customers are, 01:21:33.613 --> 01:21:35.730 that in some senses they would see us 01:21:35.730 --> 01:21:38.200 as an individual transmission customer, 01:21:38.200 --> 01:21:40.317 not necessarily a community of 12,000. 01:21:40.317 --> 01:21:42.410 And certainly work with PG&E to try 01:21:42.410 --> 01:21:45.950 and help that understanding over the past 12 months. 01:21:45.950 --> 01:21:47.730 But that's the challenge that we have 01:21:47.730 --> 01:21:50.270 is we have this obligation to notify our customers 01:21:50.270 --> 01:21:52.960 of these pending PSPS events, 01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:56.380 without that collaboration and upfront working with PG&E 01:21:56.380 --> 01:21:59.580 to understand what lines, transmission lines are in scope 01:21:59.580 --> 01:22:02.730 or out of scope for any particular event, 01:22:02.730 --> 01:22:05.583 it challenges us in our planning processes. 01:22:06.730 --> 01:22:10.410 So that's why we have that as one of the issues 01:22:10.410 --> 01:22:14.640 for our customers to be educated about how the transmission 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.610 provides power to the city, 01:22:16.610 --> 01:22:18.680 even though the city's distributing 01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:20.653 that within our service territory. 01:22:22.210 --> 01:22:23.043 So thank you. 01:22:23.043 --> 01:22:25.215 So just because there's a lot of questions, 01:22:25.215 --> 01:22:30.215 I would like Mr. Wilbur from LADWP to respond. 01:22:32.200 --> 01:22:34.317 So can you hear me okay? 01:22:34.317 --> 01:22:35.810 I wanna make sure my sound is on. 01:22:35.810 --> 01:22:38.590 Okay, so kinda along the same lines. 01:22:38.590 --> 01:22:41.300 So we have our own generation, we have our own transmission, 01:22:41.300 --> 01:22:45.980 so we're not as effected by system-wise by the PSPS 01:22:45.980 --> 01:22:47.150 from the IOUs, 01:22:48.200 --> 01:22:50.560 but where we are effective is more or affected 01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:52.910 is more facility-wise. 01:22:52.910 --> 01:22:57.530 So we have communication systems that are fed by Edison, 01:22:57.530 --> 01:23:00.880 our water pumping stations that are fed by Edison. 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:03.900 And so we get a lot of notifications from them 01:23:03.900 --> 01:23:05.840 when they're doing a PSPS that we're gonna lose power 01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:07.620 to those facilities. 01:23:07.620 --> 01:23:10.310 But essentially it's more like we're a regular customer 01:23:10.310 --> 01:23:11.860 where we lose our facility, 01:23:11.860 --> 01:23:15.383 our transmission is not very much affected by that. 01:23:19.010 --> 01:23:19.843 All right. 01:23:22.350 --> 01:23:24.710 For now, Diane, does that conclude your questions? 01:23:24.710 --> 01:23:25.574 I'm good. 01:23:25.574 --> 01:23:28.240 I do wanna remind the board 01:23:28.240 --> 01:23:30.930 that we do have the ability to reach out 01:23:30.930 --> 01:23:34.900 also to the POUs outside of the workshop 01:23:34.900 --> 01:23:37.340 if we are not able to get to all the questions. 01:23:37.340 --> 01:23:40.253 I'd like to move to board member, Christopher Porter. 01:23:41.740 --> 01:23:42.640 Thank you chair. 01:23:43.525 --> 01:23:48.525 My question is directed at Anaheim Public Utilities 01:23:48.750 --> 01:23:53.320 to Janet Lonneker about the park substation. 01:23:53.320 --> 01:23:56.540 I'm very interested in the planning elements 01:23:56.540 --> 01:23:58.160 that went into identifying 01:23:59.360 --> 01:24:04.360 even before this became a statewide issue 01:24:07.110 --> 01:24:08.780 that that would have been an actionable, 01:24:08.780 --> 01:24:11.850 sustainable prudent action to build it. 01:24:11.850 --> 01:24:13.270 And what went into it? 01:24:13.270 --> 01:24:16.300 How did you actually plan 01:24:16.300 --> 01:24:20.770 to capitalize capitalization forward? 01:24:20.770 --> 01:24:23.510 What was the thought process? 01:24:23.510 --> 01:24:25.260 Sure, thanks for the question. 01:24:25.260 --> 01:24:28.230 And yes, as I said, 01:24:28.230 --> 01:24:31.270 our substation is unique since it was the first 01:24:31.270 --> 01:24:32.320 in the United States. 01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:37.177 There was a lot of drivers for Park Substation 01:24:37.177 --> 01:24:39.900 and the reason it was built underground. 01:24:39.900 --> 01:24:42.700 Some of those drivers or aesthetics, 01:24:42.700 --> 01:24:46.070 some of those drivers were for hardening the system 01:24:46.070 --> 01:24:48.430 and the way we approach that 01:24:48.430 --> 01:24:51.920 was really very much community-oriented. 01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:54.230 We did what falls like a shred 01:24:54.230 --> 01:24:56.530 with the community to get input. 01:24:56.530 --> 01:24:59.050 We needed the station to be located 01:24:59.050 --> 01:25:01.120 because it was a low center, 01:25:01.120 --> 01:25:03.047 but where we were gonna locate it 01:25:03.047 --> 01:25:07.180 was really an input we received from our stakeholders 01:25:07.180 --> 01:25:08.800 and the community. 01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:13.220 And what were some other needs that the community needed 01:25:13.220 --> 01:25:17.450 in addition to just the reliability of the substation? 01:25:17.450 --> 01:25:20.620 And that's where the park came into play. 01:25:20.620 --> 01:25:24.410 It's an area that is surrounded by neighborhoods 01:25:25.554 --> 01:25:27.190 by residential. 01:25:27.190 --> 01:25:29.600 So there was going to be a noise factor 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:32.280 that was intacted here. 01:25:32.280 --> 01:25:36.110 There was also very much family area. 01:25:36.110 --> 01:25:39.790 And so therefore there was a need to have a park 01:25:39.790 --> 01:25:41.170 in the area. 01:25:41.170 --> 01:25:44.260 So we put all these elements together 01:25:44.260 --> 01:25:49.260 to come up with a really a win-win solution 01:25:49.440 --> 01:25:52.730 for the utility, for the community, 01:25:52.730 --> 01:25:55.700 and on top of that, for hardening the system. 01:25:55.700 --> 01:26:00.310 And because it is in the East Anaheim Wildfire area, 01:26:00.310 --> 01:26:05.310 we have the added benefit of it being a wildfire too. 01:26:09.450 --> 01:26:12.420 And that that's really how it came about. 01:26:12.420 --> 01:26:14.657 As far as the design, 01:26:14.657 --> 01:26:19.150 it was a design build project and we were involved 01:26:19.150 --> 01:26:21.470 in it from the start. 01:26:21.470 --> 01:26:25.250 And of course, Marcie was at the helm at that time. 01:26:25.250 --> 01:26:28.130 And so she was able to see the entire project 01:26:28.130 --> 01:26:29.203 come to fruition. 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:35.530 But I think the main point here is we did get input 01:26:35.530 --> 01:26:40.530 from the community on what was needed and stack that on top 01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.150 of what our need was from the utility 01:26:43.150 --> 01:26:45.513 in a reliability perspective. 01:26:46.540 --> 01:26:49.940 We have other substations in Anaheim 01:26:49.940 --> 01:26:52.190 where we did similar fashion, 01:26:52.190 --> 01:26:56.860 getting a community input and a couple of those substations, 01:26:56.860 --> 01:26:59.900 our Harbor Substation, and our Anaheim Substation, 01:26:59.900 --> 01:27:03.110 both built after Park Substation really reflect 01:27:03.110 --> 01:27:05.640 the architecture of the area. 01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:10.253 And that again was so that we could enhance the community. 01:27:11.210 --> 01:27:13.050 And so it wouldn't look like 01:27:14.048 --> 01:27:15.860 an industrial looking substation 01:27:15.860 --> 01:27:19.713 that it would reflect the area surrounding the community. 01:27:20.689 --> 01:27:23.439 (water dripping) 01:27:31.320 --> 01:27:32.420 Thank you very much, Janet. 01:27:32.420 --> 01:27:35.070 Chris, do you have another short one? 01:27:35.070 --> 01:27:36.690 No, I'm done. 01:27:36.690 --> 01:27:37.523 Thank you. 01:27:38.550 --> 01:27:40.190 Okay, thank you very much. 01:27:40.190 --> 01:27:41.430 And thank you, Janet. 01:27:41.430 --> 01:27:43.493 Moving to board member Block. 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:48.100 Hi, can you hear me? 01:27:49.782 --> 01:27:50.910 Yes, can. 01:27:50.910 --> 01:27:51.870 Great, okay. 01:27:51.870 --> 01:27:53.860 I have a theme question 01:27:53.860 --> 01:27:56.730 since I know we don't have tons of times. 01:27:56.730 --> 01:27:58.140 My theme question, 01:27:58.140 --> 01:28:00.750 which has a bunch of short specifics 01:28:00.750 --> 01:28:02.570 for different service search phrases, 01:28:02.570 --> 01:28:05.780 but the things that I was really excited to hear about 01:28:05.780 --> 01:28:07.270 and wanna learn more. 01:28:07.270 --> 01:28:12.130 I mean, the way I view the POUs in general 01:28:12.130 --> 01:28:14.180 is that they've got some flexibility 01:28:14.180 --> 01:28:16.300 to explore different ways that they manage 01:28:16.300 --> 01:28:18.973 their service territory that other POUs 01:28:18.973 --> 01:28:21.800 and the IOUs can learn from. 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:26.800 So I guess my first question would be to Surprise Valley. 01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:32.772 You spoke of the GIS data and collaborations that you use 01:28:32.772 --> 01:28:37.330 to work with the forest service and Cal Fire. 01:28:37.330 --> 01:28:39.740 Can you tell us a little bit more about how you go about 01:28:39.740 --> 01:28:42.690 that process and what your timeframes are when you do that? 01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:49.480 So typically when we have a wildfire breakout 01:28:49.480 --> 01:28:51.750 in our service territory, 01:28:51.750 --> 01:28:54.511 we have a very friendly relationship with a lot 01:28:54.511 --> 01:28:58.920 of the local members of Cal Fire Forest Service. 01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:01.130 I mean, they can pick up their cell phone 01:29:01.130 --> 01:29:03.460 and call me directly and I can do the same for them. 01:29:03.460 --> 01:29:05.590 It's just nice living in this smaller community 01:29:05.590 --> 01:29:07.610 that we know everybody 01:29:07.610 --> 01:29:09.720 and everybody is just a phone call away. 01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:13.810 So when a fire breaks out in a certain area, 01:29:13.810 --> 01:29:18.810 I can jump on our GIS mapping, hit the through Esri 01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:23.650 and I can pull a certain area of our service location 01:29:23.650 --> 01:29:25.950 and create a shape file. 01:29:25.950 --> 01:29:30.600 And what I usually do is when the fire season starts out, 01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:35.180 I will put our overhead distribution transmission lines, 01:29:35.180 --> 01:29:38.070 our poles, where our consumers are, 01:29:38.070 --> 01:29:40.363 all that information is in that GIS. 01:29:41.450 --> 01:29:44.560 I'll save it on a couple of different thumb drives, 01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:47.210 and then I will actually drive and hand deliver it 01:29:47.210 --> 01:29:51.253 to the different agency, so they have that ready to go. 01:29:52.200 --> 01:29:54.640 In case the fire happens to jump overnight 01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:56.270 and I'm not available at a phone call, 01:29:56.270 --> 01:29:58.833 they have that ready to go. 01:30:00.670 --> 01:30:01.503 That's really great. 01:30:01.503 --> 01:30:06.030 And I appreciate the smallness of the community, 01:30:06.030 --> 01:30:08.633 making that sort of an easy manual process. 01:30:09.490 --> 01:30:12.970 The CPUC is pulling together a data schema and structure 01:30:12.970 --> 01:30:17.970 for doing something at a bigger scale for the IOUs. 01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:20.207 So I think it would be really great 01:30:20.207 --> 01:30:23.080 to talk with you offline about how you do that 01:30:23.080 --> 01:30:27.010 and ways that we can show how others 01:30:27.010 --> 01:30:29.170 are already doing that sort of work. 01:30:29.170 --> 01:30:30.743 So thank you for that. 01:30:33.730 --> 01:30:36.853 And so I'm assuming I should be going quickly, right? 01:30:37.957 --> 01:30:40.670 If you could, but I don't wanna rush you, go ahead. 01:30:40.670 --> 01:30:41.890 Okay, I don't mind. (laughing) 01:30:41.890 --> 01:30:44.630 So thank you very much Surprise Valley. 01:30:44.630 --> 01:30:48.270 So Turlock, I love the fact that you said you look 01:30:48.270 --> 01:30:50.380 at the effectiveness of your treatments, 01:30:50.380 --> 01:30:53.393 have you formalized any of that process? 01:30:55.470 --> 01:30:56.303 Yes, we have. 01:30:56.303 --> 01:30:59.610 As we've gone through and starting to evaluate the efforts 01:30:59.610 --> 01:31:01.240 that we did in 19, 01:31:01.240 --> 01:31:02.780 we've definitely seen some effectiveness 01:31:02.780 --> 01:31:06.070 on the tree trimming and the removal of certain equipment. 01:31:06.070 --> 01:31:08.780 So obviously over time as we get the data in, 01:31:08.780 --> 01:31:10.340 we'll be able to better analyze what it is, 01:31:10.340 --> 01:31:12.630 but we're starting to get a little bit more information 01:31:12.630 --> 01:31:15.843 due to say alien contacts and those particular areas 01:31:15.843 --> 01:31:17.893 that we can add into our matrices. 01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:22.393 Great. 01:31:26.170 --> 01:31:28.210 I think I might have a thousand questions after that, 01:31:28.210 --> 01:31:29.380 so I'll leave it at that. 01:31:29.380 --> 01:31:31.130 And I might reach out to you later. 01:31:33.470 --> 01:31:38.470 And then I'd like to ask SMUD, I think that you were... 01:31:42.293 --> 01:31:44.340 The two things I found particularly interesting 01:31:44.340 --> 01:31:46.880 in your presentation were really identifying 01:31:47.768 --> 01:31:51.010 a tree species issues and having a basis 01:31:51.010 --> 01:31:53.863 for that in your management. 01:31:55.150 --> 01:31:58.080 And some other POUs make reference to that 01:31:58.080 --> 01:31:59.610 in their mitigation plans, 01:31:59.610 --> 01:32:01.890 but we haven't seen a whole lot of that. 01:32:01.890 --> 01:32:05.360 So there's a lot of strong basis in research 01:32:05.360 --> 01:32:08.320 about how there's different flammability and risk issues 01:32:08.320 --> 01:32:09.153 for different species, 01:32:09.153 --> 01:32:11.260 but it hasn't been really well identified. 01:32:11.260 --> 01:32:13.073 So I appreciate that a lot. 01:32:14.798 --> 01:32:17.950 So maybe you can just touch on that, 01:32:17.950 --> 01:32:20.540 how you go about identifying beyond 01:32:20.540 --> 01:32:22.910 the one that eucalyptus Grove. 01:32:22.910 --> 01:32:24.660 And then you talked about doing, 01:32:24.660 --> 01:32:27.663 using AI on your UAV imagery. 01:32:29.370 --> 01:32:32.560 Are there ways that you've learned from that process 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:36.460 and are there opportunities you think for sharing 01:32:36.460 --> 01:32:39.303 that kind of AI work with other utilities? 01:32:41.310 --> 01:32:42.143 Absolutely. 01:32:42.143 --> 01:32:45.490 So on the identity, sorry. Go ahead. 01:32:45.490 --> 01:32:47.530 On the identifying of the tree species, 01:32:47.530 --> 01:32:50.620 we do have arborists that work at SMUD. 01:32:50.620 --> 01:32:53.270 So that's part of the planning process when we're doing 01:32:53.270 --> 01:32:56.270 our vegetation inspections ahead of time. 01:32:56.270 --> 01:33:00.003 So they do a lot of work to identify which (indistinct) are, 01:33:01.868 --> 01:33:03.907 or have more risk, I'm involved with them. 01:33:03.907 --> 01:33:07.120 And I can get you in contact with our manager 01:33:07.120 --> 01:33:08.790 within vegetation management, 01:33:08.790 --> 01:33:11.700 if you have additional questions around that as well. 01:33:11.700 --> 01:33:13.050 For the AIPS, 01:33:13.050 --> 01:33:15.560 I think there is absolutely lessons learned there. 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:19.640 We don't have the results of that work yet. 01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:22.200 We just completed just a few weeks ago 01:33:22.200 --> 01:33:23.870 the first drone flights. 01:33:23.870 --> 01:33:26.500 And so the images are still being processed right now. 01:33:26.500 --> 01:33:29.060 So we're looking to see what types of results we get. 01:33:29.060 --> 01:33:31.250 Again right now we're looking at just augmenting 01:33:31.250 --> 01:33:35.990 our inspection processes at this point in time, 01:33:35.990 --> 01:33:38.500 but then trying to determine based on the results 01:33:38.500 --> 01:33:42.430 that we see, how often we wanna use this technology. 01:33:42.430 --> 01:33:43.263 That's really great. 01:33:43.263 --> 01:33:45.080 I think a lot of people are trying to discover ways 01:33:45.080 --> 01:33:46.290 that they can use the technology. 01:33:46.290 --> 01:33:48.960 A lot of it is proprietary and vendor-based, 01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:52.250 and I think there's some way we could probably orchestrate 01:33:52.250 --> 01:33:54.400 the way people are sharing and learning that technology 01:33:54.400 --> 01:33:57.020 so that people aren't reinventing the wheel over and over. 01:33:57.020 --> 01:33:58.980 Plus there's a lot of science behind that 01:33:58.980 --> 01:34:01.660 that can also be leveraged. 01:34:01.660 --> 01:34:03.729 So thank you very much. 01:34:03.729 --> 01:34:04.562 Thank you. 01:34:04.562 --> 01:34:07.283 I'll leave it at their Chair Edwards for now. 01:34:08.160 --> 01:34:10.007 All right, we will facilitate your outreach to them, 01:34:10.007 --> 01:34:12.110 you reach on your specific questions, 01:34:12.110 --> 01:34:13.910 so we'll make sure we get them answered. 01:34:13.910 --> 01:34:15.550 Thank you on board member Block. 01:34:15.550 --> 01:34:17.143 Moving to board member Mader. 01:34:19.200 --> 01:34:20.540 Thank you, Chair Edwards. 01:34:20.540 --> 01:34:24.070 First, I wanna say how impressive the work 01:34:24.070 --> 01:34:27.170 that most all of the POUs, 01:34:27.170 --> 01:34:30.340 but in particular, the POUs that are here today was, 01:34:30.340 --> 01:34:32.300 it was very impressive. 01:34:32.300 --> 01:34:33.560 I'm gonna try and keep my questions 01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:35.310 and comments very short. 01:34:35.310 --> 01:34:38.770 First off for Healdsburg, Mr. Crowley, 01:34:38.770 --> 01:34:42.450 what was the decision regarding lightning arresters 01:34:42.450 --> 01:34:44.760 whether or not to remove them from your facilities 01:34:44.760 --> 01:34:47.220 that are in the high fire threat district area? 01:34:47.220 --> 01:34:50.930 So we discussed removing them. 01:34:50.930 --> 01:34:54.307 And what we did is we actually found a certified lightening 01:34:54.307 --> 01:34:55.817 arrestor for the area. 01:34:55.817 --> 01:34:57.700 And so we're changing everything 01:34:57.700 --> 01:35:00.350 over to the compliant lightening arresters 01:35:00.350 --> 01:35:01.510 rather than removing them. 01:35:01.510 --> 01:35:05.340 I just wonder personally and professionally 01:35:05.340 --> 01:35:07.140 that if you remove those lightening arresters 01:35:07.140 --> 01:35:09.730 are just creating bigger hazard. 01:35:09.730 --> 01:35:11.990 And so we actually found something that was certified 01:35:11.990 --> 01:35:14.040 as compliant for a fire area, 01:35:14.040 --> 01:35:16.350 and we purchased those and we're in the process 01:35:16.350 --> 01:35:17.650 of getting them installed. 01:35:18.869 --> 01:35:19.702 That's great, yeah. 01:35:19.702 --> 01:35:22.310 `Cause you've gotta balance, the reduction in the risk 01:35:22.310 --> 01:35:27.210 of a fire start with potentially damaging a large amount 01:35:27.210 --> 01:35:29.490 of our own infacility, right? 01:35:29.490 --> 01:35:30.323 Exactly. 01:35:32.190 --> 01:35:33.390 For SMUD (indistinct). 01:35:36.463 --> 01:35:39.570 So SMUD's plan was our fire season 01:35:39.570 --> 01:35:41.740 is going until October 1st. 01:35:41.740 --> 01:35:46.730 I think that we can see just from like up until like a week 01:35:46.730 --> 01:35:50.750 ago that climate change is kinda doing a number 01:35:50.750 --> 01:35:52.950 on when fire season ends. 01:35:52.950 --> 01:35:56.810 Is there any consideration to moving that date 01:35:58.057 --> 01:36:01.170 so that you stay on the fire season setting 01:36:01.170 --> 01:36:04.330 when all the evidence around us shows that (indistinct) 01:36:04.330 --> 01:36:05.683 might be best? 01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:08.330 Absolutely, that's a great question. 01:36:08.330 --> 01:36:12.490 So we did just update our wildfire mitigation plan for 2021. 01:36:12.490 --> 01:36:15.360 And we did update the language around wildfire season 01:36:15.360 --> 01:36:17.930 to be consistent with Cal Fire's ruling 01:36:17.930 --> 01:36:20.800 of when fire season actually ends. 01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:24.640 So we'll base it on when we receive the first set of rains 01:36:24.640 --> 01:36:28.743 that help with not having such driving. 01:36:30.070 --> 01:36:30.903 Yes. 01:36:33.390 --> 01:36:34.430 Great. 01:36:34.430 --> 01:36:38.320 I wanted to call out that you got specific attainment dates 01:36:38.320 --> 01:36:41.240 on the projects that you were doing in your plan. 01:36:41.240 --> 01:36:46.240 That was very valuable, so that in years future we can go 01:36:46.390 --> 01:36:49.560 and look and see how the things are being accomplished. 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:53.340 When I saw one of those particular projects 01:36:53.340 --> 01:36:58.230 was the elimination of expulsion fuses in your four kV 01:36:58.230 --> 01:37:00.150 in your high fire disc area, 01:37:00.150 --> 01:37:03.927 you are still looking at lighting arresters in those areas. 01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:07.250 We are Looking at lightening arresters 01:37:07.250 --> 01:37:08.140 as well within that. 01:37:08.140 --> 01:37:10.220 I think there's Cal Fire exempt, 01:37:10.220 --> 01:37:11.277 lightening arresters as well. 01:37:11.277 --> 01:37:14.250 And we're looking at changing those out too. 01:37:14.250 --> 01:37:15.750 Great. 01:37:15.750 --> 01:37:18.660 I'm gonna truncate all my questions to one more 01:37:18.660 --> 01:37:22.227 or rather your comment on TID's plan. 01:37:22.227 --> 01:37:26.960 And I just want to commend TID for looking at the specific 01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:29.310 geography of their territory 01:37:29.310 --> 01:37:31.130 in the Western side of their territory, 01:37:31.130 --> 01:37:33.950 you actually look at the slope of the ground. 01:37:33.950 --> 01:37:37.670 And how that can possibly contribute to the speed and spread 01:37:37.670 --> 01:37:40.380 and enhance the risk of a wildfire start 01:37:40.380 --> 01:37:42.110 in those particular areas. 01:37:42.110 --> 01:37:45.920 I think it goes towards conflict that the board 01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:47.080 has been recommending, 01:37:47.080 --> 01:37:50.300 they're trying to quantify risk on topography, 01:37:50.300 --> 01:37:51.820 and I wanna commend that work, 01:37:51.820 --> 01:37:55.980 it seem unique in all the plans that I reviewed. 01:37:55.980 --> 01:37:58.670 And look forward to developing that further 01:37:58.670 --> 01:38:01.140 to be able to provide a risk profile 01:38:01.140 --> 01:38:04.860 that could help all the utilities better understand 01:38:05.710 --> 01:38:09.000 if a fire starts in their area, in that specific area, 01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:11.310 what the potential consequences are, 01:38:11.310 --> 01:38:14.293 so it can inform where to prioritize mitigation. 01:38:15.976 --> 01:38:17.770 Thanks so much. Yeah, I appreciate that. 01:38:17.770 --> 01:38:20.090 And just to spin off of what just happened, 01:38:20.090 --> 01:38:23.950 the SCU Lightening Complex Fire was very beneficial 01:38:23.950 --> 01:38:25.873 to understand the slopes of that area 01:38:25.873 --> 01:38:27.930 when we were contending with of how quickly 01:38:27.930 --> 01:38:30.750 that fire was progressing, so thank you for that. 01:38:30.750 --> 01:38:31.583 I appreciate it. 01:38:33.070 --> 01:38:35.800 Very nice, thank you board member Mader. 01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:37.470 Moving to board member Syphard. 01:38:42.240 --> 01:38:43.663 Hi, yes thank you. 01:38:44.570 --> 01:38:47.360 Yeah, I just wanna say I really appreciated 01:38:47.360 --> 01:38:50.280 all the presentations, I learned a lot. 01:38:50.280 --> 01:38:53.100 I could probably ask a whole bunch of questions, 01:38:53.100 --> 01:38:57.190 but I will keep to two short questions in terms of time 01:38:58.270 --> 01:39:02.870 that also center around a theme, which is mapping. 01:39:02.870 --> 01:39:06.310 I think it's impressive that Turlock's considered, 01:39:06.310 --> 01:39:07.210 I know another, 01:39:07.210 --> 01:39:11.800 a lot of other POUs considered not only the CPUs see maps, 01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:15.080 but also the Cal Fire maps and some other maps. 01:39:15.080 --> 01:39:18.240 And so I was just curious when you were comparing 01:39:18.240 --> 01:39:19.563 the two different maps, 01:39:21.150 --> 01:39:24.810 did you see much of a difference in the way the delineation 01:39:24.810 --> 01:39:28.653 was on the landscape and what were those differences? 01:39:30.167 --> 01:39:32.830 In as what extent is the different types of maps 01:39:32.830 --> 01:39:35.523 actually carve out different areas? 01:39:37.660 --> 01:39:40.570 Yeah, I can speak on that, this is Joe Gildan, TID. 01:39:40.570 --> 01:39:42.040 When we made the delineation, 01:39:42.040 --> 01:39:44.410 the topography and the area were pretty much 01:39:44.410 --> 01:39:46.620 essential the same for our area. 01:39:46.620 --> 01:39:49.170 We had to do like kinda a risk base analysis 01:39:49.170 --> 01:39:51.897 of those proposed locations. 01:39:51.897 --> 01:39:55.930 And if we were to expand on our wildfire territory 01:39:55.930 --> 01:39:57.620 our fire territory, 01:39:57.620 --> 01:39:59.600 I would provide a little bit more of a safety 01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:01.440 for our servers, for our customer. 01:40:01.440 --> 01:40:03.490 So as for that, 01:40:03.490 --> 01:40:05.410 we didn't make that risk based assessment 01:40:05.410 --> 01:40:10.140 of increasing our territory for identifying fire zones 01:40:10.140 --> 01:40:13.600 was prudent for us to do based on what we've had 01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:15.313 and analyze based on all the Ezri maps 01:40:15.313 --> 01:40:19.180 that we've overlaid on our service territory. 01:40:19.180 --> 01:40:21.040 But so, yes, it was more so being prudent 01:40:21.040 --> 01:40:25.270 about the ability for us to protect our customers 01:40:25.270 --> 01:40:27.503 against any wildfire issues. 01:40:28.403 --> 01:40:33.403 Okay, so yours was more specific to your customer base 01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:37.578 and Cal Fire's was more specific to the geography, right? 01:40:37.578 --> 01:40:39.030 Correct. Is that the short answer? 01:40:39.030 --> 01:40:40.190 Yeah, okay. 01:40:40.190 --> 01:40:43.550 And then also just because I am trying to get a sense 01:40:43.550 --> 01:40:48.550 of how these different zones are being defined, 01:40:48.550 --> 01:40:52.603 I was curious for Surprise Valley, 01:40:54.700 --> 01:40:57.990 not a whole lot of your land was in Tier 2. 01:40:57.990 --> 01:41:02.900 And I was just curious what the land cover type was 01:41:02.900 --> 01:41:07.293 in the area that did not make it into the Tier 2 zone. 01:41:11.490 --> 01:41:15.013 So everything up here, it's kind of like a high desert, 01:41:15.950 --> 01:41:19.390 it's just low grass and sagebrush. 01:41:19.390 --> 01:41:21.650 Everything that we designated is Tier 2 01:41:21.650 --> 01:41:26.650 is kind of a mountainous Juniper tree kind of infested area. 01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:31.300 That was pretty much, it's not super sick, 01:41:31.300 --> 01:41:33.270 so we didn't have anything that we classified 01:41:33.270 --> 01:41:34.873 as a Tier 3 risk. 01:41:36.030 --> 01:41:39.350 We worked hand-in-hand with a representative from Cal Fire 01:41:39.350 --> 01:41:42.730 that had lived in the area and knew it very well. 01:41:42.730 --> 01:41:45.580 So he came in and worked with me to designate 01:41:45.580 --> 01:41:50.580 what was Cal Fire, their description of Tier 2 and Tier 1. 01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:55.733 So it was nice having him here to work through that project. 01:41:56.572 --> 01:41:58.440 Yeah, interesting, okay. 01:41:58.440 --> 01:42:01.990 So it was largely sort of a vegetation type thing 01:42:01.990 --> 01:42:05.510 with the low grass and Juniper. 01:42:05.510 --> 01:42:07.172 Yeah, that makes sense to me. 01:42:07.172 --> 01:42:08.160 Thank you. 01:42:08.160 --> 01:42:09.680 Thank you. 01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:11.563 Thank you board member Syphard. 01:42:12.510 --> 01:42:13.713 Board member Armstrong. 01:42:15.330 --> 01:42:16.230 Yup. 01:42:16.230 --> 01:42:17.683 Thanks Chair Edwards. 01:42:19.580 --> 01:42:21.760 So first I wanna commend all the presenters here 01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:25.660 because there's something in every one of your plans 01:42:25.660 --> 01:42:26.900 that actually stood out, 01:42:26.900 --> 01:42:31.900 that made it rise above that either parts of the plan 01:42:32.770 --> 01:42:33.603 or the whole plan. 01:42:33.603 --> 01:42:35.770 So appreciate the work and some of the explanation 01:42:35.770 --> 01:42:38.290 that was put into some of these presentations. 01:42:38.290 --> 01:42:40.600 And so I did have two questions, 01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:42.960 but one of them was answered with board member 01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:47.960 Block's question with regards to artificial intelligence. 01:42:48.610 --> 01:42:50.733 So the only other question right now, I mean, 01:42:50.733 --> 01:42:51.580 I have a bunch of them, 01:42:51.580 --> 01:42:54.800 but the one that kinda stood out and comes back up to me 01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:58.820 quite a bit is the, for Mr. Wilbur 01:42:58.820 --> 01:43:00.980 with the Department of Water and Power. 01:43:00.980 --> 01:43:05.720 In your presentation, you made a comment about DWP 01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:10.090 doesn't do PSPS events, that they're more reactive. 01:43:10.090 --> 01:43:14.020 And I just trying to get a feel for that. 01:43:14.020 --> 01:43:16.270 I understand why the reactive 01:43:16.270 --> 01:43:20.120 and the issues behind shutting off power, 01:43:20.120 --> 01:43:22.790 other safety things that go along with that. 01:43:22.790 --> 01:43:24.523 But just kind of curious, 01:43:26.292 --> 01:43:31.120 in DWP's system, can everything be switched around 01:43:31.120 --> 01:43:32.287 or is it just... 01:43:33.179 --> 01:43:36.940 Just a little more expansion on that kind of the reactive 01:43:36.940 --> 01:43:41.140 remark kind of just destroyed. 01:43:41.140 --> 01:43:42.950 Let me go ahead and clarify that a little bit, 01:43:42.950 --> 01:43:46.480 because what I mean that we don't do the PSPS 01:43:46.480 --> 01:43:48.340 is we do it situationally. 01:43:48.340 --> 01:43:52.330 So if it's a red flag day and and the winds 01:43:52.330 --> 01:43:55.470 are at 50 miles an hour, 01:43:55.470 --> 01:44:00.470 and we're not gonna arbitrarily shut off at that stage, 01:44:00.970 --> 01:44:03.150 if it goes beyond what's reasonable. 01:44:03.150 --> 01:44:06.950 So we'll take each incident and evaluate it separately. 01:44:06.950 --> 01:44:08.520 So we don't have that same criteria 01:44:08.520 --> 01:44:09.700 that all right, it's a red flag day, 01:44:09.700 --> 01:44:12.060 we're gonna automatically shut down. 01:44:12.060 --> 01:44:16.370 But we we'll do as if winds are going up over 90 miles 01:44:16.370 --> 01:44:18.650 an hour, well, then that's gonna trigger us to go ahead 01:44:18.650 --> 01:44:22.150 and be reactive to that particular situation. 01:44:22.150 --> 01:44:24.170 If we have massive mudslides, 01:44:24.170 --> 01:44:26.420 then we are gonna shut off based on that situation. 01:44:26.420 --> 01:44:27.810 If we have an earthquake, 01:44:27.810 --> 01:44:30.100 we're gonna shut off based on that situation. 01:44:30.100 --> 01:44:31.663 So maybe I was a little hesitant in saying 01:44:31.663 --> 01:44:35.570 that we don't do PSPS specifically. 01:44:35.570 --> 01:44:37.010 We just don't do it the same way 01:44:37.010 --> 01:44:39.430 that most of the IOUs are doing now, 01:44:39.430 --> 01:44:42.680 where we have this criteria where we automatically shut. 01:44:42.680 --> 01:44:44.510 We're more reactive in identifying 01:44:44.510 --> 01:44:46.540 what the specific situation is. 01:44:46.540 --> 01:44:49.300 So if we know the winds are gonna go up, 01:44:49.300 --> 01:44:51.220 then we're gonna be ready to do something 01:44:51.220 --> 01:44:53.500 to mitigate the hazard as needed, 01:44:53.500 --> 01:44:56.090 it's just not that same trigger point. 01:44:56.090 --> 01:44:56.923 Okay, well thank you. 01:44:56.923 --> 01:44:59.142 I would add board member Armstrong, 01:44:59.142 --> 01:45:02.350 if you would allow a moment of kibitzing. 01:45:02.350 --> 01:45:05.200 Part of the difference is that DWP, 01:45:05.200 --> 01:45:07.420 despite being the largest municipality 01:45:07.420 --> 01:45:10.540 only has a 468 miles square service territory. 01:45:10.540 --> 01:45:13.720 And in fact, their territory with respect 01:45:13.720 --> 01:45:17.100 to the extreme fire areas is even smaller. 01:45:17.100 --> 01:45:18.860 And you compare and contrast that 01:45:18.860 --> 01:45:23.860 with the 25,000 square miles that the IOUs are, 01:45:24.230 --> 01:45:28.610 it's much easier for DWP to keep eyes on what's happening 01:45:28.610 --> 01:45:29.853 within their territory. 01:45:30.806 --> 01:45:32.060 And I appreciate that. 01:45:32.060 --> 01:45:35.603 Again, it was just, I guess the reactive comment 01:45:35.603 --> 01:45:39.430 kind of was like, we're reactive to what? 01:45:39.430 --> 01:45:42.520 That was what I was trying to get at. 01:45:42.520 --> 01:45:43.940 The other part of our situation too 01:45:43.940 --> 01:45:46.470 is we're able to sectionalize off those areas 01:45:46.470 --> 01:45:47.960 very effectively. 01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:51.570 So when we do our a block, our reclosure, 01:45:51.570 --> 01:45:53.840 the protocol that we do in preparation for, 01:45:53.840 --> 01:45:55.500 or on a red flag day, 01:45:55.500 --> 01:45:58.720 we're able to rarely sectionalize off that area 01:45:58.720 --> 01:45:59.940 so we can block our reclosure. 01:45:59.940 --> 01:46:02.830 So we can really take a close look at what's going on 01:46:02.830 --> 01:46:04.520 when it's going on. 01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:06.640 So we're able to have that luxury, like Marcie said, 01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:09.043 of having that small Tier 2 area, 01:46:09.980 --> 01:46:11.490 where we can focus our attention on 01:46:11.490 --> 01:46:14.010 when there is the risk. 01:46:14.010 --> 01:46:14.843 Great. 01:46:14.843 --> 01:46:15.676 Thank you, Brian. 01:46:15.676 --> 01:46:17.940 Thank you board member Armstrong. 01:46:17.940 --> 01:46:19.730 I'll do a little forecasting for you. 01:46:19.730 --> 01:46:22.780 We're about to enter into a stretch break. 01:46:22.780 --> 01:46:27.100 It will go until about five minutes after 3:00. 01:46:27.100 --> 01:46:28.560 I will remind the board members 01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:31.550 to please mute your future phones 01:46:31.550 --> 01:46:33.070 when you take that stretch break. 01:46:33.070 --> 01:46:36.730 When we return the meeting will now be conducted 01:46:36.730 --> 01:46:38.420 by board member Porter. 01:46:38.420 --> 01:46:41.280 He'll be leading the board through a discussion 01:46:41.280 --> 01:46:44.433 with respect to the draft guidance document. 01:46:45.770 --> 01:46:50.240 It is very important for the POUs as well as the co-ops 01:46:50.240 --> 01:46:52.890 to listen to the discussion between board members. 01:46:52.890 --> 01:46:55.340 And if you hear this conceptions, 01:46:55.340 --> 01:46:57.430 or if you hear information 01:46:57.430 --> 01:47:01.470 that you feel you have a different take on, 01:47:01.470 --> 01:47:04.370 this is why a lot of this is in draft. 01:47:04.370 --> 01:47:07.360 We are still in progress of soliciting your input. 01:47:07.360 --> 01:47:12.310 We will not make an action on that draft guidance document 01:47:12.310 --> 01:47:14.890 until sometime in December. 01:47:14.890 --> 01:47:19.390 So with that, let's see. 01:47:19.390 --> 01:47:21.220 Jamie, is there anything else we need to tell people 01:47:21.220 --> 01:47:22.470 before we take the break? 01:47:24.180 --> 01:47:25.260 Nope. 01:47:25.260 --> 01:47:27.283 Please mute your phones. 01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:30.670 And if you want, you can turn off your video, 01:47:30.670 --> 01:47:32.530 make sure to turn it back on. 01:47:32.530 --> 01:47:34.820 Don't log out because we might have issues 01:47:34.820 --> 01:47:36.910 unless you're having technical issues. 01:47:36.910 --> 01:47:37.830 So yeah, mute your phone 01:47:37.830 --> 01:47:41.800 and we'll see you back here right at 3:05, 3:05. 01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:43.440 And stretch break. 01:47:43.440 --> 01:47:46.243 Get the blood moving head to toe, 01:47:47.270 --> 01:47:49.060 arms and down, stand up, 01:47:49.060 --> 01:47:51.850 grab some food, grab some water 01:47:51.850 --> 01:47:55.350 and we'll be back at 3:05. 01:47:55.350 --> 01:47:58.410 And please don't forget to mute your phone. 01:47:58.410 --> 01:48:00.720 Things happen during breaks, and we hear you 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:01.760 and It'll be weird. 01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:04.130 So please mute your phones. 01:48:04.130 --> 01:48:06.943 Thank you very much, we'll see you at 3:05. 01:48:10.660 --> 01:48:14.370 All right, as we start another module of this workshop, 01:48:14.370 --> 01:48:18.170 I wanna thank Chair Edwards 01:48:18.170 --> 01:48:21.210 and also my fellow board member for the opportunity 01:48:21.210 --> 01:48:23.670 to facilitate an open dialogue 01:48:23.670 --> 01:48:26.943 about the proposed draft document. 01:48:29.200 --> 01:48:32.400 I need to note that this is our first opportunity 01:48:32.400 --> 01:48:34.210 to discuss as a whole body 01:48:34.210 --> 01:48:36.930 what insights we derive from the onerous 01:48:36.930 --> 01:48:41.163 and meticulous examination of the plan submitted last July. 01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:46.837 So due to the Bagley-Keene Act, 01:48:48.510 --> 01:48:50.420 we as members were broken up 01:48:50.420 --> 01:48:53.460 into small review review groups. 01:48:53.460 --> 01:48:55.760 And in those small BK groups, 01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:58.570 we met on a limited scope to discuss findings 01:48:58.570 --> 01:48:59.823 and recommendations. 01:49:01.700 --> 01:49:03.603 So as we start this discussion, 01:49:04.710 --> 01:49:06.850 I would like to on behalf of the board, 01:49:06.850 --> 01:49:11.180 convey an appreciation of the POUs for their diligence 01:49:11.180 --> 01:49:15.120 and willingness to participate in the process. 01:49:15.120 --> 01:49:17.450 Understanding that this is our first attempt 01:49:17.450 --> 01:49:22.450 at fulfilling statutory obligations spelled out in AB 1054, 01:49:22.930 --> 01:49:27.930 along with compliance with Public Utilities Code 8387. 01:49:28.500 --> 01:49:33.500 The public owned utilities and electric cooperative 01:49:33.790 --> 01:49:36.020 play a significant role 01:49:36.020 --> 01:49:40.260 and our fight against wildfire mitigation. 01:49:40.260 --> 01:49:45.260 They span 50 submittals from the head of the state 01:49:45.810 --> 01:49:46.810 to the (indistinct). 01:49:47.977 --> 01:49:49.970 We appreciate their efforts 01:49:50.840 --> 01:49:53.383 that went into developing these WMPs. 01:49:54.360 --> 01:49:56.220 And the board is honored to have reviewed 01:49:56.220 --> 01:49:59.380 the first wildfire risk mitigation plan 01:49:59.380 --> 01:50:04.380 and looks forward to more extensive collaboration. 01:50:06.610 --> 01:50:08.520 This has been and will continue 01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:11.253 to be a learning experience for us all, definitely. 01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:14.770 As I said before, 01:50:14.770 --> 01:50:18.680 we were broken up into smaller review groups, 01:50:18.680 --> 01:50:23.430 and this is our first opportunity to share with one another 01:50:23.430 --> 01:50:26.440 our thoughts and comments. 01:50:26.440 --> 01:50:31.440 And have a clear discussion on what each group 01:50:31.610 --> 01:50:35.283 found while examining the WMPs. 01:50:37.070 --> 01:50:38.280 But before I start there, 01:50:38.280 --> 01:50:42.350 I'd like to turn first to our Vice-chair Fellman and ask, 01:50:42.350 --> 01:50:46.800 how did the board approach the 2020 WMP review process 01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:50.893 under AB 1054 statutory responsibilities? 01:50:53.420 --> 01:50:55.183 Thank you board member Porter. 01:50:56.230 --> 01:51:00.010 As with the industrial and utilities, 01:51:00.010 --> 01:51:05.010 we had to create the review protocols and processes. 01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:10.520 We were appointed as a board just about a year ago, 01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:14.470 and we had our first meeting in January. 01:51:14.470 --> 01:51:17.077 So we're new at this. 01:51:17.077 --> 01:51:19.940 And we again I wanna echo the appreciation 01:51:19.940 --> 01:51:24.940 for the collaboration and patience in figuring this out. 01:51:25.310 --> 01:51:29.600 We really wanted to approach this in a way, 01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:34.600 so our product would be both specific as well as useful 01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:43.880 in terms of guiding the 2021 recommendation. 01:51:44.140 --> 01:51:49.140 For the 2020 WMPs, from the publicly owned utilities 01:51:49.240 --> 01:51:50.993 and the electric cooperatives, 01:51:52.700 --> 01:51:54.870 many of you relied on a template, 01:51:54.870 --> 01:51:59.690 which was a great start at how to standardize information 01:51:59.690 --> 01:52:02.160 and yet make it utility specific, 01:52:02.160 --> 01:52:07.160 so we could understand what each of you was doing. 01:52:07.220 --> 01:52:12.220 We also created categories or a category setting template 01:52:14.910 --> 01:52:17.453 so we could look at what your size was? 01:52:18.460 --> 01:52:19.820 Where you were located? 01:52:19.820 --> 01:52:21.850 How many customers you had? 01:52:21.850 --> 01:52:25.070 And we've provided that template in our suggested 01:52:25.070 --> 01:52:29.860 recommendations as a format to use going forward 01:52:29.860 --> 01:52:34.860 to help take out some of the descriptive language 01:52:36.080 --> 01:52:37.423 that was necessary. 01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:43.080 I think that what we are really looking forward to 01:52:43.080 --> 01:52:46.790 is having this advisory, 01:52:46.790 --> 01:52:51.320 this general advisory opinion in our recommendations served 01:52:51.320 --> 01:52:54.033 to lay the foundation for 2021. 01:52:55.346 --> 01:52:58.780 We see this as a beginning and not an end of that process. 01:52:58.780 --> 01:53:03.610 And we will be working with you in the next few months 01:53:03.610 --> 01:53:06.250 to come up with the 2021 templates. 01:53:06.250 --> 01:53:10.413 And we can talk more about that later in this workshop. 01:53:12.280 --> 01:53:15.200 With regards to the specific elements 01:53:15.200 --> 01:53:18.850 as board member Porter indicated, 01:53:18.850 --> 01:53:21.280 each of us was appointed to the board 01:53:21.280 --> 01:53:23.870 with our own expertise in the sector. 01:53:23.870 --> 01:53:26.760 And we were divided into our Bagley-Keene groups. 01:53:26.760 --> 01:53:29.960 Each Bagley-Keene group viewed, 01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:31.570 with its subject matter experts, 01:53:31.570 --> 01:53:34.100 reviewed those sections of the WMP 01:53:34.100 --> 01:53:36.280 and developed the recommendations. 01:53:36.280 --> 01:53:39.690 And we came up with five general categories, 01:53:39.690 --> 01:53:43.520 consolidating all the statutory requirements 01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:47.630 and we will go next to discuss each of those categories. 01:53:47.630 --> 01:53:51.330 So I'll turn it back to you, Mr. Porter. 01:53:51.330 --> 01:53:53.120 Thank you Vice-chair Fellman. 01:53:53.120 --> 01:53:55.248 As Vice-chair Fellman mentioned, 01:53:55.248 --> 01:53:59.750 we divided them up into five pointed categories 01:53:59.750 --> 01:54:04.750 of customer impact, the grid hardening aspect, 01:54:07.120 --> 01:54:12.120 veggie management, also looking at more data collection 01:54:13.650 --> 01:54:15.900 and how that was utilized. 01:54:15.900 --> 01:54:20.780 Also the risk assessment and the WMP structure, 01:54:20.780 --> 01:54:23.757 which I think is more than five, but I think I added one. 01:54:25.700 --> 01:54:29.633 So in that, starting that conversation, 01:54:31.220 --> 01:54:34.450 customer impacts, recommendations here focused 01:54:34.450 --> 01:54:39.450 on how POUs are impacted by IOUs investor-owned utilities, 01:54:39.670 --> 01:54:41.670 public safety power shutoffs, 01:54:41.670 --> 01:54:45.583 and how POUs notified customers about such emergencies. 01:54:46.670 --> 01:54:49.470 I wanna start with again, in that BK, 01:54:49.470 --> 01:54:53.550 I was with Vice-chair Fellman and I like to ask 01:54:53.550 --> 01:54:54.853 and continue to ask her, 01:54:56.040 --> 01:55:00.647 how did the POUs and co-ops interact with the IOUs 01:55:02.500 --> 01:55:05.780 regarding the PSPS event? 01:55:05.780 --> 01:55:09.523 What did you glean from the WMPs overall? 01:55:11.650 --> 01:55:12.590 So thank you. 01:55:12.590 --> 01:55:17.590 As I indicated in the Q and A period we just had, 01:55:17.950 --> 01:55:21.270 that was something our group, 01:55:21.270 --> 01:55:24.790 our BK group was interested in 01:55:24.790 --> 01:55:29.790 and we need visibility. 01:55:30.550 --> 01:55:35.550 We want visibility in the next WMPs on how the information 01:55:37.900 --> 01:55:42.060 from the IOUs for PSPS events is communicated. 01:55:42.060 --> 01:55:45.787 So that is something that's going to be a point 01:55:48.330 --> 01:55:51.770 that we watch for, because we did not, 01:55:51.770 --> 01:55:55.260 it wasn't transparent to us or apparent to us. 01:55:55.260 --> 01:55:58.520 It wasn't transparent in the WMPs or apparent to us 01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:03.160 how exactly the PSPS has affected 01:56:03.160 --> 01:56:08.100 each of the POUs and electric cooperatives. 01:56:08.100 --> 01:56:10.850 So the explanations from the representative, 01:56:10.850 --> 01:56:12.250 from Healdsburg, 01:56:12.250 --> 01:56:15.543 as well as remotely DWP was very helpful. 01:56:16.410 --> 01:56:19.500 And we wanna make sure that we understand 01:56:19.500 --> 01:56:24.500 how the customers of the POU are being notified of the PSPS. 01:56:25.530 --> 01:56:30.530 Is it only through the IOUs or is there a separate channel 01:56:30.740 --> 01:56:32.710 of notification through the POUs 01:56:34.439 --> 01:56:38.470 and that will also spread into how the emergency 01:56:41.090 --> 01:56:42.860 communications are made 01:56:42.860 --> 01:56:44.820 and whether there's a distinction there. 01:56:44.820 --> 01:56:48.600 So that's some of the information that we were looking for 01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:53.600 and would like to see better explained in 2021. 01:56:56.540 --> 01:56:57.700 Thank you. 01:56:57.700 --> 01:57:00.020 Also think piggybacking on that, 01:57:00.020 --> 01:57:04.330 what I saw that was important to me is understanding 01:57:04.330 --> 01:57:09.330 that POU is dependent on the IOUs interconnection. 01:57:10.720 --> 01:57:13.410 How much of the anticipated load 01:57:13.410 --> 01:57:15.603 does that inner tie pick up? 01:57:17.700 --> 01:57:21.630 Understanding that could lead us to ask you more questions 01:57:21.630 --> 01:57:26.440 about do they have plans for temporary generation? 01:57:26.440 --> 01:57:31.250 Or is there a way that they could sectionalize? 01:57:31.250 --> 01:57:36.090 If they do possess generation, 01:57:36.090 --> 01:57:37.593 whether it's limited or not? 01:57:39.290 --> 01:57:43.640 But definitely what type of communication, as you mentioned, 01:57:43.640 --> 01:57:48.640 what type of communication line do they have with the IOUs? 01:57:49.140 --> 01:57:54.097 Are they capable of creating some type of additional 01:57:58.210 --> 01:58:02.140 source of load protection? 01:58:02.140 --> 01:58:07.140 Is there a way for them to keep whatever essential services 01:58:09.030 --> 01:58:14.030 that they have going and can the IOU help with that? 01:58:17.650 --> 01:58:19.090 If we saw more of that, 01:58:19.090 --> 01:58:21.460 I think we can get a better understanding 01:58:21.460 --> 01:58:26.460 of exactly how dependent across the state POUs are 01:58:27.670 --> 01:58:31.920 on the inner ties or the interconnections with the IOUs. 01:58:35.620 --> 01:58:37.193 Oh, and if I may, 01:58:39.040 --> 01:58:43.650 another dimension to this is that all the representatives 01:58:43.650 --> 01:58:45.350 on the panel today mentioned, 01:58:45.350 --> 01:58:47.880 I believe mentioned or alluded to the fact 01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:51.160 that the automatic recloser function 01:58:51.160 --> 01:58:54.470 is no longer necessarily part of your protocol 01:58:54.470 --> 01:58:56.530 during wildfire season. 01:58:56.530 --> 01:59:01.300 So that was something that's come to you as a practice. 01:59:01.300 --> 01:59:06.300 And you explained in the WMP how the manual resetting 01:59:07.330 --> 01:59:09.510 and visual inspection was going on. 01:59:09.510 --> 01:59:14.510 So this is part of that just making sure we see 01:59:16.350 --> 01:59:21.350 what the process is to turn the power back on, 01:59:21.820 --> 01:59:24.850 how are you effecting critical needs 01:59:24.850 --> 01:59:28.370 for your vulnerable communities? 01:59:28.370 --> 01:59:31.950 And also, I believe that we'll find 01:59:31.950 --> 01:59:33.590 that there's a close relationship 01:59:33.590 --> 01:59:37.300 between your elected governments in the municipalities 01:59:37.300 --> 01:59:40.550 and the publicly owned utilities and cooperatives. 01:59:40.550 --> 01:59:44.520 But if something emerges where there's a requirement 01:59:44.520 --> 01:59:48.010 for our separate communication, we'd like to see that. 01:59:48.010 --> 01:59:49.133 So thank you. 01:59:51.340 --> 01:59:54.830 Okay, let's move on to grid recommendations, 01:59:54.830 --> 01:59:57.223 which was one of the areas of focus. 02:00:01.015 --> 02:00:06.015 That BK group was Chair Edwards, myself, board member Mader 02:00:08.300 --> 02:00:10.193 and board member Armstrong. 02:00:11.040 --> 02:00:15.160 And so the first question I have is how should utilities 02:00:15.160 --> 02:00:18.750 with lower risks contribute to wildfire mitigation 02:00:18.750 --> 02:00:22.500 such as utilities that are fully urban locked 02:00:22.500 --> 02:00:27.500 or not in any Tier 1, two or three high fire district zones, 02:00:34.860 --> 02:00:37.703 how should they contribute with those plans? 02:00:40.761 --> 02:00:43.920 A lot of this discussion originally started 02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:46.410 in that as you read through some of these 02:00:46.410 --> 02:00:49.580 and you found utilities didn't met those characteristics 02:00:49.580 --> 02:00:53.110 of being completely urban lock or 100% undergrounded, 02:00:53.110 --> 02:00:57.350 we were looking for ways to be able to streamline 02:00:57.350 --> 02:01:00.500 their reporting requirements 02:01:00.500 --> 02:01:02.160 because when the state broke the statute, 02:01:02.160 --> 02:01:06.950 what they wanted was useful and meaningful information. 02:01:06.950 --> 02:01:10.900 So then it took us onto this role of well, 02:01:10.900 --> 02:01:14.790 are there areas that those who don't have to spend a lot 02:01:14.790 --> 02:01:18.890 of time\money could be contributory 02:01:18.890 --> 02:01:19.900 to the broader effort? 02:01:19.900 --> 02:01:22.520 And one of them is, it's not new, 02:01:22.520 --> 02:01:24.510 but it's gotten a lot of focuses last year, 02:01:24.510 --> 02:01:28.260 which are a new term is black Swan events. 02:01:28.260 --> 02:01:31.410 And it's those type of events where say you're 02:01:31.410 --> 02:01:34.200 in the middle of a flood. 02:01:34.200 --> 02:01:36.430 And I wish I had written down the explanation, 02:01:36.430 --> 02:01:40.030 but if there was one out in back East 02:01:40.030 --> 02:01:42.060 where they had a tremendous amount of trouble 02:01:42.060 --> 02:01:44.470 and for those among you that are utility people, 02:01:44.470 --> 02:01:47.220 they were routinely experiencing, 02:01:47.220 --> 02:01:49.410 like N minus two conditions. 02:01:49.410 --> 02:01:53.700 The second condition wasn't related to the electric supply, 02:01:53.700 --> 02:01:55.260 it was related to a broad issue 02:01:55.260 --> 02:01:58.660 that impacted the utility's ability to move around 02:01:58.660 --> 02:02:00.273 and serve customers. 02:02:01.563 --> 02:02:04.916 So we were kicking around whether the utilities 02:02:04.916 --> 02:02:08.950 who are lucky enough to have a greater degree 02:02:08.950 --> 02:02:13.950 of fire protection might be able to assist in that analysis. 02:02:14.820 --> 02:02:17.120 We did talk about resource sharing, 02:02:17.120 --> 02:02:19.250 but there is a lot that takes place 02:02:19.250 --> 02:02:21.973 in the municipal community, mutual aid agreements, 02:02:22.970 --> 02:02:24.820 shared equipments. 02:02:24.820 --> 02:02:28.090 We've all shuttled transformers at one time or another 02:02:28.090 --> 02:02:30.003 to somebody who really needed them. 02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:32.630 But I think there is a lack of familiarity 02:02:32.630 --> 02:02:36.143 if any of those agreements exist between the POUs 02:02:36.143 --> 02:02:37.920 and the IOUs, 02:02:37.920 --> 02:02:42.745 I think that information would be very useful. 02:02:42.745 --> 02:02:43.578 And finally, 02:02:43.578 --> 02:02:45.880 the kind of information that evaluates grid hardening, 02:02:45.880 --> 02:02:47.520 I forget what utility put it up there, 02:02:47.520 --> 02:02:50.900 but saying you have this many of these, 02:02:50.900 --> 02:02:54.240 you plan on doing this many next year. 02:02:54.240 --> 02:02:56.910 And then it's based on your assessment 02:02:56.910 --> 02:03:00.750 where you found these four problems and you prioritize them. 02:03:00.750 --> 02:03:04.830 It just helps them to keep track of the fire mitigation 02:03:04.830 --> 02:03:08.440 is being continued to be made a priority. 02:03:08.440 --> 02:03:09.830 As an example, 02:03:09.830 --> 02:03:11.820 many of you are familiar with the phenomenon, 02:03:11.820 --> 02:03:13.880 you will sell a rate increase to council 02:03:13.880 --> 02:03:15.780 and you'll fight things you're gonna do with the money. 02:03:15.780 --> 02:03:17.870 And then something else happens, 02:03:17.870 --> 02:03:20.750 during the year, that money is redirected. 02:03:20.750 --> 02:03:22.660 That's okay, but it's good to know 02:03:22.660 --> 02:03:23.920 that that's what happened. 02:03:23.920 --> 02:03:27.150 And it was the fire determinations 02:03:27.150 --> 02:03:28.990 that fell into a lower priority. 02:03:28.990 --> 02:03:32.090 It would allow us then to ask those questions. 02:03:32.090 --> 02:03:34.830 Would either board members, Porter, Mader, 02:03:34.830 --> 02:03:37.290 or Armstrong have anything else with respect 02:03:37.290 --> 02:03:38.390 to the grid hardening? 02:03:43.410 --> 02:03:44.910 I can chime in a little bit. 02:03:45.950 --> 02:03:49.883 So what I was looking at when I did this is like, I kind of, 02:03:51.350 --> 02:03:53.250 I'm sorry about that, John- 02:03:53.250 --> 02:03:54.683 I was on mute, it's okay. 02:03:55.570 --> 02:03:57.500 So what I was looking at is, 02:03:57.500 --> 02:04:00.420 the utility as I reviewed their plans 02:04:00.420 --> 02:04:01.860 in the section of grid hardening, 02:04:01.860 --> 02:04:06.860 it was more of what the research that they did 02:04:07.136 --> 02:04:07.969 to make sure that they weren't 02:04:07.969 --> 02:04:09.430 in a high fire threat district 02:04:11.510 --> 02:04:15.150 and what the actual risk was versus the mitigation measures. 02:04:15.150 --> 02:04:16.430 So if there was very little risk 02:04:16.430 --> 02:04:17.780 and very little mitigation measures, 02:04:17.780 --> 02:04:20.070 I mean, we noted that were following 02:04:20.906 --> 02:04:23.943 those general order requirements for hardening. 02:04:24.822 --> 02:04:26.910 And there were some that actually were in those areas 02:04:26.910 --> 02:04:29.390 that didn't have high risks. 02:04:29.390 --> 02:04:33.430 And they were still looking at harding measures. 02:04:33.430 --> 02:04:36.510 I think as a board, what we're tasked to do 02:04:36.510 --> 02:04:41.510 is address the utilities caused wildfires. 02:04:43.980 --> 02:04:45.660 And if there is no risk, 02:04:45.660 --> 02:04:50.660 I didn't put a whole lot into assessing what they have, 02:04:53.090 --> 02:04:56.440 I kind of always look at the Anaheim model a little bit, 02:04:56.440 --> 02:05:01.440 because you figure 98% of their system is undergrounded, 02:05:02.240 --> 02:05:03.780 very low risk. 02:05:03.780 --> 02:05:05.860 But that 2% of their system, 02:05:05.860 --> 02:05:07.550 they were able to identify that 02:05:08.520 --> 02:05:10.680 and what type of mitigation measures 02:05:10.680 --> 02:05:13.090 they were using currently 02:05:13.090 --> 02:05:15.450 and what their plans were for the future. 02:05:15.450 --> 02:05:16.960 Those were some of the things I was looking at, 02:05:16.960 --> 02:05:20.310 and that's a small scale of it because it's only 2%. 02:05:20.310 --> 02:05:22.257 You go to Healdsburg where there's 50%. 02:05:22.257 --> 02:05:25.350 And being able to see what assets they have 02:05:25.350 --> 02:05:27.540 in those high fire threat districts? 02:05:27.540 --> 02:05:31.034 And what the exposure is? 02:05:31.034 --> 02:05:32.580 And what their mitigation measures were? 02:05:32.580 --> 02:05:37.083 So that's what I used as I was evaluating each plan. 02:05:39.380 --> 02:05:41.430 So when I look at these plans 02:05:41.430 --> 02:05:43.973 and I looked at the risk quantification efforts 02:05:43.973 --> 02:05:45.210 that were done, 02:05:45.210 --> 02:05:48.960 in many of these plans noted that their assets 02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:53.303 were underground or mostly underground. 02:05:53.303 --> 02:05:54.870 I look at them in two buckets. 02:05:54.870 --> 02:05:56.180 One the areas that were 02:05:56.180 --> 02:05:58.420 in the high fire threat district area 02:05:58.420 --> 02:05:59.483 and the assets that were not 02:05:59.483 --> 02:06:01.230 in the high fire threat district area. 02:06:01.230 --> 02:06:05.000 And I think that we've what we've experienced 02:06:05.000 --> 02:06:10.000 these last four years is that fires had started for reasons 02:06:10.550 --> 02:06:13.230 that were not anticipated at the time 02:06:13.230 --> 02:06:15.480 by the various utilities, 02:06:15.480 --> 02:06:18.130 either there'll be investor owned or utility owned. 02:06:18.130 --> 02:06:22.840 And while I think it is legitimate for one of these wildfire 02:06:22.840 --> 02:06:25.750 mitigation plans to assert that none 02:06:25.750 --> 02:06:28.360 of the service territory 02:06:28.360 --> 02:06:30.843 in a high fire threat district area. 02:06:31.764 --> 02:06:36.335 And it is potentially taking up resources that we could use 02:06:36.335 --> 02:06:38.670 to help to look at plans that are looking at assets 02:06:38.670 --> 02:06:41.450 in the high fire threat district areas. 02:06:41.450 --> 02:06:46.400 So I echo Chairman Edward's thoughts about maybe we have a, 02:06:46.400 --> 02:06:51.060 we quantify buckets risk, 02:06:51.060 --> 02:06:54.310 where there are different types of reporting. 02:06:54.310 --> 02:06:59.210 I still think that the basic assumptions that CPCU maps 02:06:59.210 --> 02:07:04.100 are accurate, or that they quantify the risk accurately, 02:07:04.100 --> 02:07:07.333 that every single entity should not assume that, 02:07:07.333 --> 02:07:10.460 that there should be some questioning nature. 02:07:10.460 --> 02:07:12.623 That there'd be some sort of challenge, 02:07:14.020 --> 02:07:16.780 personnel that are assigned to challenge the assumptions. 02:07:16.780 --> 02:07:20.960 And in order to try to anticipate something 02:07:20.960 --> 02:07:24.950 that would lead to a black Swan event. 02:07:24.950 --> 02:07:29.180 So that for all assets, 02:07:29.180 --> 02:07:31.060 I think that they should be looked at. 02:07:31.060 --> 02:07:33.580 Now for instance, 02:07:33.580 --> 02:07:36.900 utilities that had their underground facilities 02:07:36.900 --> 02:07:39.453 in high fire threat disagree areas, 02:07:39.453 --> 02:07:43.076 it is a very low likelihood that there could be a fire start 02:07:43.076 --> 02:07:47.550 as a result of the utility assets in those areas. 02:07:47.550 --> 02:07:50.170 Yes, I can see that absolutely. 02:07:50.170 --> 02:07:52.680 But it's still possible for instance, for a utility, 02:07:52.680 --> 02:07:57.130 for a truck to back over a pad mounted transformer. 02:07:57.130 --> 02:08:00.403 And if it is particular topography at that particular area, 02:08:01.638 --> 02:08:04.030 it could ignite in a high fire threat district area 02:08:04.030 --> 02:08:09.030 and pose a threat to the community. 02:08:09.080 --> 02:08:10.940 Those are the kinds of things that like, 02:08:10.940 --> 02:08:14.340 even we should just not just assume there's no risk 02:08:14.340 --> 02:08:15.540 because it's underground. 02:08:15.540 --> 02:08:16.820 It's very low likelihood, 02:08:16.820 --> 02:08:18.740 but if the consequence is high enough, 02:08:18.740 --> 02:08:21.970 we should spend some time trying to identify those. 02:08:21.970 --> 02:08:23.807 I don't think that that's really the job of this board. 02:08:23.807 --> 02:08:26.270 I think that the recommendation is gonna be 02:08:26.270 --> 02:08:31.270 from this board that the utilities themselves 02:08:33.480 --> 02:08:34.900 engage in that effort. 02:08:34.900 --> 02:08:39.900 And we would like to see some analysis of that effort 02:08:40.130 --> 02:08:44.143 on the part of the utilities in future wildfire mitigation. 02:08:46.380 --> 02:08:51.320 Yeah, and I wanna echo exactly what board member Mader 02:08:51.320 --> 02:08:53.363 is talking about, I have two points. 02:08:54.270 --> 02:08:58.730 One is it impressed me that TID took an assessment 02:08:58.730 --> 02:09:00.920 of their risk profile. 02:09:00.920 --> 02:09:05.290 And they elevated that to a higher level 02:09:05.290 --> 02:09:08.510 and created their mitigation plans, 02:09:08.510 --> 02:09:10.060 tracked it all the way through. 02:09:12.100 --> 02:09:15.963 There were more than a dozen utilities that were 95 02:09:17.180 --> 02:09:20.193 or more percent underground facilities. 02:09:21.810 --> 02:09:26.330 Corona had three overhead facilities or pieces 02:09:26.330 --> 02:09:28.450 of infrastructure that they have to deal with. 02:09:28.450 --> 02:09:31.100 And it is the inner tie or inner connection 02:09:31.100 --> 02:09:33.283 with Southern California Edison. 02:09:34.420 --> 02:09:36.890 However, they did understand 02:09:36.890 --> 02:09:41.103 that they had several above ground transformation assets 02:09:43.230 --> 02:09:48.230 that could be at risk in the high fire zones 02:09:49.590 --> 02:09:51.020 where they had residential 02:09:51.020 --> 02:09:54.210 or they were actually feeding the pump station. 02:09:54.210 --> 02:09:58.380 So looking at that, we would like to see, 02:09:58.380 --> 02:10:01.570 or at least I would like to see all the utilities, 02:10:01.570 --> 02:10:06.070 even that dozen or more that we would consider urban locked 02:10:06.070 --> 02:10:11.070 or having slim to no chance of impacting the state 02:10:12.400 --> 02:10:17.400 with a wildfire, such as Alameda, Port of Stockton, 02:10:17.560 --> 02:10:21.930 Port of Oakland, who ultimately the risk 02:10:21.930 --> 02:10:26.930 of igniting a wildfire is slim to none. 02:10:27.740 --> 02:10:30.263 However, they would ignite a structure. 02:10:31.600 --> 02:10:35.410 But expanding their risk profile and then creating, 02:10:35.410 --> 02:10:39.180 mitigating programs and strategies there. 02:10:39.180 --> 02:10:43.513 The other is talking about resource sharing. 02:10:45.310 --> 02:10:49.070 Even those dozen or more utilities 02:10:49.070 --> 02:10:53.583 are still part of the community of the municipal utilities. 02:10:54.450 --> 02:10:57.760 And looking at how they share those resources, 02:10:57.760 --> 02:11:00.700 whether it's manpower, whether it's equipment, 02:11:00.700 --> 02:11:01.820 whether it's data, 02:11:01.820 --> 02:11:05.973 whether it's lessons learned or whether it's money, 02:11:06.820 --> 02:11:08.660 that is something that we would like to, 02:11:08.660 --> 02:11:12.980 or at least I would like to see in the next WMPs. 02:11:19.850 --> 02:11:23.843 So did you have something to say, John? 02:11:25.960 --> 02:11:27.183 John you're from mute. 02:11:30.379 --> 02:11:31.627 Get into myself again. 02:11:31.627 --> 02:11:32.640 (laughing) 02:11:32.640 --> 02:11:35.073 Okay, but to be specific. 02:11:36.470 --> 02:11:40.010 My specific recommendation is that the study 02:11:40.010 --> 02:11:42.059 of these black Swan of is the potential 02:11:42.059 --> 02:11:47.059 for a low probability high consequence event. 02:11:49.210 --> 02:11:51.441 And trying to find where those are. 02:11:51.441 --> 02:11:53.270 I think they really want to see the onus put 02:11:53.270 --> 02:11:55.870 on the utilities themselves 02:11:55.870 --> 02:11:59.720 because they're the people that know their territory. 02:11:59.720 --> 02:12:02.520 And just, they should just set up their organizations 02:12:02.520 --> 02:12:05.060 to challenge their assumptions all the time, 02:12:05.060 --> 02:12:07.185 I think that we all need to do that. 02:12:07.185 --> 02:12:10.230 The potential consequences are so high, 02:12:10.230 --> 02:12:12.230 I think it's worth some time to do that. 02:12:13.880 --> 02:12:15.160 Good, yeah. 02:12:15.160 --> 02:12:16.183 All right. 02:12:16.183 --> 02:12:19.750 I'd like to move on to a veg management category. 02:12:19.750 --> 02:12:22.990 This includes descriptions of treatment plan, 02:12:22.990 --> 02:12:26.240 scientific qualifications, safety compliance 02:12:26.240 --> 02:12:28.270 and innovative approaches. 02:12:28.270 --> 02:12:31.253 This BK was board member Armstrong, 02:12:32.360 --> 02:12:35.523 board member Syphard and board member Block. 02:12:36.480 --> 02:12:37.940 I like to start it off with, 02:12:37.940 --> 02:12:42.280 do you have any comments about what would you like to see 02:12:43.480 --> 02:12:47.270 in the 2021 updates regarding the interaction 02:12:47.270 --> 02:12:51.027 with Cal/OSHA regulations and POU management 02:12:52.340 --> 02:12:55.210 of contractor compliance with safety? 02:12:55.210 --> 02:12:58.993 And I'm gonna ask that of board member Armstrong. 02:13:00.220 --> 02:13:04.090 So thanks board member of Porter. 02:13:04.090 --> 02:13:09.090 So as we reviewed 50 of these plans, 02:13:09.490 --> 02:13:11.613 there was several of the plans 02:13:11.613 --> 02:13:15.970 that just basically referenced general orders. 02:13:15.970 --> 02:13:18.280 We follow this order, we follow that order. 02:13:18.280 --> 02:13:22.460 And in a high fire threat district, you could probably, 02:13:22.460 --> 02:13:26.090 when I started looking at the compliance perspect of this, 02:13:26.090 --> 02:13:28.750 but if you reference a general order, 02:13:28.750 --> 02:13:33.523 95 rule 35 in a non-high fire threat district. 02:13:35.207 --> 02:13:36.320 It says that a tree can grow 02:13:36.320 --> 02:13:40.510 within as the 12 kV language, 02:13:40.510 --> 02:13:44.193 it allows a tree to grow with an 18 inches of that 12 KV. 02:13:45.079 --> 02:13:47.740 And by law the workers that actually have to go out there 02:13:47.740 --> 02:13:49.540 and cut those trees, 02:13:49.540 --> 02:13:51.740 they're not allowed to get within 25 inches. 02:13:53.520 --> 02:13:55.050 They're not considered qualified electrical workers, 02:13:55.050 --> 02:13:56.330 those are considered qualified persons. 02:13:56.330 --> 02:13:59.053 So they're not allowed to get into that, 02:14:02.030 --> 02:14:04.560 encroach any closer than 25 inches, 02:14:04.560 --> 02:14:06.560 even if the tree is closer than that. 02:14:07.440 --> 02:14:10.170 And as I evaluate some of this stuff, 02:14:10.170 --> 02:14:13.130 the thought is when I look at Healdsburg 02:14:13.130 --> 02:14:14.930 where they say they cut every tree 02:14:14.930 --> 02:14:15.990 no matter where in the system, 02:14:15.990 --> 02:14:17.850 doesn't get any closer than four foot, 02:14:17.850 --> 02:14:20.180 that is a good safe practice for the individuals 02:14:20.180 --> 02:14:21.650 that have to go out there. 02:14:21.650 --> 02:14:26.650 Now you can ask any of these utilities POUs everything. 02:14:27.400 --> 02:14:29.940 If they were to drive up on a job and they saw one 02:14:29.940 --> 02:14:32.343 of their linemen, their QEW within 18 inches 02:14:32.343 --> 02:14:34.170 of a power line that isn't covered 02:14:35.560 --> 02:14:37.990 and don't have any protective devices up there, 02:14:37.990 --> 02:14:39.280 what would they do? 02:14:39.280 --> 02:14:41.770 And it would shut down the job. 02:14:41.770 --> 02:14:42.870 It's an unsafe work practice, 02:14:42.870 --> 02:14:46.413 but it seems almost acceptable to say that, you know, 02:14:46.413 --> 02:14:49.223 a line crime is true tremor that has less training. 02:14:51.280 --> 02:14:54.560 Then a qualified electrical group can actually cut 02:14:54.560 --> 02:14:56.960 or manipulate a branch that's closer 02:14:56.960 --> 02:14:59.610 than than the Cal/OSHA requirements. 02:14:59.610 --> 02:15:02.823 So when I see a wildfire mitigation plan 02:15:02.823 --> 02:15:04.793 just as we comply with this, 02:15:05.960 --> 02:15:08.030 what I'd like to see as more detail 02:15:08.030 --> 02:15:11.520 into them understanding the difference of both 02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:14.280 whether or not their brands can be removed 02:15:14.280 --> 02:15:16.470 while the lines energized, you have to de-energize the line. 02:15:16.470 --> 02:15:17.610 Do you have to have a qualified electrical 02:15:17.610 --> 02:15:18.913 out there doing that work? 02:15:20.980 --> 02:15:23.420 I think it's a best practice or better practice 02:15:23.420 --> 02:15:27.320 if we just move those minimum requirements out 02:15:27.320 --> 02:15:30.720 to what the requirements are, 02:15:30.720 --> 02:15:32.330 the safe working distance for the individuals 02:15:32.330 --> 02:15:33.930 that have to cut those trees 02:15:33.930 --> 02:15:36.340 versus the proximity to the power line. 02:15:36.340 --> 02:15:39.320 So that is one of the things that stuck with me 02:15:39.320 --> 02:15:40.330 for quite a while. 02:15:40.330 --> 02:15:44.090 And every time I see somebody just referencing 02:15:44.090 --> 02:15:47.700 a general order standard, 02:15:47.700 --> 02:15:52.700 I kind wonder, do they understand the aspect 02:15:53.040 --> 02:15:55.080 of who's cutting the trees? 02:15:55.080 --> 02:15:59.410 Do they have people that are managing this? 02:15:59.410 --> 02:16:03.420 Do they understand what it takes to do that? 02:16:03.420 --> 02:16:05.590 Or they're relying on contractors to do everything 02:16:05.590 --> 02:16:08.390 So that is just a concern that I have 02:16:08.390 --> 02:16:10.240 that I think needs to be addressed 02:16:10.240 --> 02:16:13.730 through the general orders or through these wildfire 02:16:13.730 --> 02:16:14.870 mitigation plans. 02:16:14.870 --> 02:16:18.143 If people are referencing a standard in the general order, 02:16:19.450 --> 02:16:23.710 you've gotta take into account again the safety of the... 02:16:23.710 --> 02:16:26.610 And this falls somewhat into the safety culture, 02:16:26.610 --> 02:16:28.610 but falls into take into account 02:16:28.610 --> 02:16:29.790 the safety of the individuals 02:16:29.790 --> 02:16:32.510 that are put out there to cut those trees. 02:16:32.510 --> 02:16:35.660 Thank you, board member Syphard, 02:16:35.660 --> 02:16:39.430 what is the best way to deal with urban fuel near lines 02:16:39.430 --> 02:16:41.093 on private property? 02:16:42.470 --> 02:16:44.830 I think that's something you want to talk about. 02:16:44.830 --> 02:16:49.480 Yeah, thinking about what we were listening to today, 02:16:49.480 --> 02:16:53.170 thinking about board member Mader's comments, 02:16:53.170 --> 02:16:58.170 I think I might extend it even broader to talk about mapping 02:16:58.790 --> 02:17:03.790 in general and basically which area is which and why. 02:17:04.870 --> 02:17:08.900 And so this gets to issues that have to do 02:17:08.900 --> 02:17:10.710 with private property. 02:17:10.710 --> 02:17:14.790 It has to do with issues in terms of defining 02:17:14.790 --> 02:17:18.370 what are the high fire threat zones? 02:17:18.370 --> 02:17:20.020 What are the different maps? 02:17:20.020 --> 02:17:23.153 What are the rules that go into designing these maps? 02:17:27.124 --> 02:17:32.124 And even into a recommendation that we generally had, 02:17:32.190 --> 02:17:35.070 which was the provision of maps 02:17:35.070 --> 02:17:37.340 in the wildfire mitigation plans, 02:17:37.340 --> 02:17:41.080 so that we could actually visualize what the territories 02:17:41.080 --> 02:17:44.030 look like relative to the environmental conditions 02:17:44.030 --> 02:17:45.570 on the ground. 02:17:45.570 --> 02:17:48.870 And I say all of this, because I am a geographer. 02:17:48.870 --> 02:17:53.700 And I spend part of my career coming up with fire. 02:17:54.590 --> 02:17:57.430 I do fire risk mapping as part of my job. 02:17:57.430 --> 02:18:01.940 And so I'm aware of the uncertainty that goes into it 02:18:01.940 --> 02:18:06.760 and talking sort of complimentary 02:18:06.760 --> 02:18:08.230 with the black Swan events, 02:18:08.230 --> 02:18:12.090 I'm also aware that there's a lot of stochastically 02:18:12.090 --> 02:18:17.090 and randomness in fire behavior and fire extensions. 02:18:17.130 --> 02:18:22.130 And so you can 99 out of 100 times have the fire behavior 02:18:23.380 --> 02:18:26.520 go a certain way, but it doesn't always go that way. 02:18:26.520 --> 02:18:30.720 And so I think in general, 02:18:30.720 --> 02:18:34.620 it would be helpful to have an understanding 02:18:34.620 --> 02:18:39.360 of exactly what are the methods that have been used 02:18:39.360 --> 02:18:42.990 to create the different types of maps 02:18:42.990 --> 02:18:46.280 and how they affect the different practices 02:18:46.280 --> 02:18:49.840 in vegetation management in those areas. 02:18:49.840 --> 02:18:51.820 And then in addition, 02:18:51.820 --> 02:18:54.120 what are the considerations for the areas 02:18:54.120 --> 02:18:57.570 that don't fall into the Tier one 02:18:57.570 --> 02:18:59.890 or the Tier 2 or three areas? 02:18:59.890 --> 02:19:04.860 And so I do know and I've heard from a lot of the POUs 02:19:04.860 --> 02:19:09.860 that explicitly mentioned there are consultations 02:19:10.290 --> 02:19:15.290 in terms of the landscaping that's on private property. 02:19:17.540 --> 02:19:21.773 Well, today, when LA was talking about, 02:19:22.910 --> 02:19:27.660 I know what the native vegetation is like in Los Angeles 02:19:27.660 --> 02:19:29.780 and it does not involve trees. 02:19:29.780 --> 02:19:31.730 And so they mentioned how they treated 02:19:31.730 --> 02:19:34.763 or removed 400,000 trees, that's a lot of trees. 02:19:37.200 --> 02:19:40.260 One of my questions was where were all those trees? 02:19:40.260 --> 02:19:44.740 Aside from some of the Oaks around, 02:19:44.740 --> 02:19:47.320 I'm guessing these are a lot of non-native trees 02:19:47.320 --> 02:19:50.430 that are around high fire hazard zones. 02:19:50.430 --> 02:19:55.430 So I'm sort of just tying a whole bunch of themes together 02:19:55.730 --> 02:19:58.380 in a general recommendation 02:19:58.380 --> 02:20:03.120 to provide more detailed information justifying 02:20:03.120 --> 02:20:05.020 different methodological decisions 02:20:05.020 --> 02:20:06.733 in terms of vegetation management. 02:20:07.900 --> 02:20:09.163 Okay, thank you. 02:20:10.068 --> 02:20:11.487 I do have one last question 02:20:11.487 --> 02:20:16.487 and it about what would we like to see in updates regarding 02:20:17.160 --> 02:20:19.560 the peal use incorporating fire science 02:20:19.560 --> 02:20:22.803 into their WMP for the same POU? 02:20:26.696 --> 02:20:28.620 Board member Mader. 02:20:28.620 --> 02:20:29.850 Thank you, board member Porter. 02:20:29.850 --> 02:20:31.740 I actually did have a question I wanted 02:20:31.740 --> 02:20:35.720 to ask the vegetation management, Bagley-Keene. 02:20:35.720 --> 02:20:38.670 I have not been able to talk to you guys about this 02:20:38.670 --> 02:20:39.960 and it's been killing me. 02:20:39.960 --> 02:20:43.030 But in particular, 02:20:43.030 --> 02:20:46.093 when we're reviewing the City of Glendale, 02:20:47.100 --> 02:20:49.490 wildfire mitigation plan, 02:20:49.490 --> 02:20:54.490 the City of Glendale explained that they have some owners 02:20:54.690 --> 02:20:59.690 upon the end customer on making sure that their property 02:21:00.000 --> 02:21:04.400 is safer and is appropriately, 02:21:04.400 --> 02:21:06.770 the vegetation is appropriately managed in order 02:21:06.770 --> 02:21:10.052 to minimize the amount of risks that could cause 02:21:10.052 --> 02:21:15.052 that could potentially feed a fire that could affect others. 02:21:16.230 --> 02:21:21.230 And I would was interested in your thoughts 02:21:21.470 --> 02:21:24.586 as to the social utility, 02:21:24.586 --> 02:21:29.586 the idea that those receiving the service should take some 02:21:32.380 --> 02:21:35.570 just prudent prints of keeping your trees 20 feet apart 02:21:35.570 --> 02:21:37.730 from each other in the City of Glendale. 02:21:37.730 --> 02:21:40.403 Keeping dry grass less than four inches. 02:21:41.270 --> 02:21:44.850 It seems like those were some prudence requirement. 02:21:44.850 --> 02:21:49.423 And do you see any utility for that for recommendations 02:21:49.423 --> 02:21:51.343 for other areas as well? 02:21:52.800 --> 02:21:55.270 We had some discussion about this as well. 02:21:55.270 --> 02:21:59.670 And part of what we were talking about 02:21:59.670 --> 02:22:01.560 is that the State of California, 02:22:01.560 --> 02:22:04.640 of course mandates 100 feet of defensible space 02:22:04.640 --> 02:22:08.270 within high fire hazard severity zones. 02:22:08.270 --> 02:22:10.160 But again, coming back to map, 02:22:10.160 --> 02:22:13.240 those zones don't necessarily overlap 02:22:13.240 --> 02:22:15.610 with all areas in the state. 02:22:15.610 --> 02:22:19.290 And I think that defensible space, 02:22:19.290 --> 02:22:21.390 it's one of the topics that I study 02:22:22.740 --> 02:22:24.460 a lot in my research. 02:22:24.460 --> 02:22:28.620 And I think that there are some interesting considerations, 02:22:28.620 --> 02:22:32.600 one in terms of who's doing it 02:22:32.600 --> 02:22:34.690 and what they should be doing, 02:22:34.690 --> 02:22:38.880 but also there's defensible space that can be conducted 02:22:38.880 --> 02:22:41.580 to protect the structure on the house, 02:22:41.580 --> 02:22:44.570 which might be different than the defensible space 02:22:44.570 --> 02:22:48.150 to reduce utility ignition through the line going through 02:22:48.150 --> 02:22:50.050 because they're in different... 02:22:50.050 --> 02:22:53.080 My research has shown that the first five feet 02:22:53.080 --> 02:22:56.830 from the structure are the key areas for defensible space, 02:22:56.830 --> 02:23:00.010 but that doesn't apply to the line running through. 02:23:00.010 --> 02:23:05.010 So I think that I was impressed that Glendale 02:23:07.300 --> 02:23:08.750 was relying upon that. 02:23:08.750 --> 02:23:11.820 And I think that in general, 02:23:11.820 --> 02:23:15.670 defensible space in fire prone areas is a recommended 02:23:15.670 --> 02:23:18.550 practice for fire safety overall. 02:23:18.550 --> 02:23:20.430 I would just be interested 02:23:20.430 --> 02:23:25.110 and I don't know who would be doing it to sort of parse out 02:23:25.110 --> 02:23:29.560 or unpack the details in terms of how do you differentiate 02:23:29.560 --> 02:23:32.623 what that defensible space objective is. 02:23:33.490 --> 02:23:37.710 Exactly, we're all familiar with the principle space 02:23:37.710 --> 02:23:41.040 around structures and that the posters 02:23:41.040 --> 02:23:43.470 have some responsibility for that. 02:23:43.470 --> 02:23:48.470 But this is about defensible space for the utility asset 02:23:48.610 --> 02:23:50.120 on their property, 02:23:50.120 --> 02:23:54.133 that they be more than 100 feet away from their structure. 02:23:55.143 --> 02:23:57.770 And you say keep that dry ground, 02:23:57.770 --> 02:23:59.850 don't let it go up to six feet. 02:23:59.850 --> 02:24:00.910 Keep it four inches or less. 02:24:00.910 --> 02:24:04.510 So those things they'll seem like policies 02:24:04.510 --> 02:24:07.500 that could be very valuable, 02:24:07.500 --> 02:24:10.990 it might be worthy of like examining 02:24:10.990 --> 02:24:12.723 where else they can be adopted. 02:24:13.910 --> 02:24:15.723 Total agreement, yes. 02:24:17.268 --> 02:24:21.170 I'd like to move us on to the last category. 02:24:21.170 --> 02:24:24.248 Again, reminding everyone that the recommendations 02:24:24.248 --> 02:24:28.770 are on the or the draft is on our website. 02:24:28.770 --> 02:24:33.550 And it's the WMP structure recommendations here 02:24:33.550 --> 02:24:38.048 focused on including or providing certain details 02:24:38.048 --> 02:24:40.083 upfront of the POU. 02:24:41.120 --> 02:24:46.120 And that BK group was Chair Edwards, 02:24:46.680 --> 02:24:49.070 Vice-chair Fellman and myself. 02:24:49.070 --> 02:24:52.833 And since we're limited in time, 02:24:54.350 --> 02:24:56.500 Chair Edward, would you like to comment on, 02:25:00.850 --> 02:25:03.919 what you would like to see come up front? 02:25:03.919 --> 02:25:08.163 When we were looking at the structure, 02:25:09.110 --> 02:25:12.053 particularly when you're reading the 50 plan, 02:25:12.990 --> 02:25:16.200 I didn't have some time sufficient roadmap within it. 02:25:16.200 --> 02:25:20.320 I mean, it talks about the statutory connections per se, 02:25:20.320 --> 02:25:23.530 but because we hadn't really talked about some the ways 02:25:23.530 --> 02:25:25.850 that we as a board were looking at it, 02:25:25.850 --> 02:25:29.000 it was difficult to parse out some of the information. 02:25:29.000 --> 02:25:33.360 And I'm hopeful next time as we talked through it 02:25:33.360 --> 02:25:35.360 iteratively with the POU community, 02:25:35.360 --> 02:25:39.430 that we can find a point of agreement that makes it 02:25:39.430 --> 02:25:41.010 a little bit more of (indistinct). 02:25:41.010 --> 02:25:44.250 And this is not to suggest that you try to put 02:25:44.250 --> 02:25:47.280 a round peg in a square hole or the other way around. 02:25:47.280 --> 02:25:52.080 Either way, it's not to take away from the uniqueness 02:25:52.080 --> 02:25:53.330 of the response, 02:25:53.330 --> 02:25:56.190 it's more to develop the broader heading 02:25:56.190 --> 02:25:58.610 so that we know where to look. 02:25:58.610 --> 02:25:59.443 And particularly, 02:25:59.443 --> 02:26:02.760 we're gonna start comparing plans year over year. 02:26:02.760 --> 02:26:05.670 So to have a structure that's a little more clear 02:26:05.670 --> 02:26:10.670 will allow for that review, who else was in there? 02:26:14.860 --> 02:26:17.360 Vice-chair Fellman, did you have anything on that? 02:26:21.600 --> 02:26:25.090 You were looking at the other dimension we were looking at 02:26:25.090 --> 02:26:28.960 is just what process, I'm an attorney, 02:26:28.960 --> 02:26:30.537 so I'm very procedural. I'm sorry. 02:26:30.537 --> 02:26:34.260 What process you go through getting your plans approved 02:26:35.990 --> 02:26:39.380 and who is your governing bodies? 02:26:39.380 --> 02:26:44.380 Just so we understood that a chain of review and approval. 02:26:46.790 --> 02:26:48.460 The other thing I think we were looking at 02:26:48.460 --> 02:26:51.730 is on the first page, we had developed a template 02:26:51.730 --> 02:26:54.410 of what I felt was fairly non-threatening information, 02:26:54.410 --> 02:26:56.970 which was just the size of the agency, 02:26:56.970 --> 02:26:59.723 the type of customer base. 02:27:01.460 --> 02:27:05.410 Did they in fact have equipment that fell into the fire, 02:27:05.410 --> 02:27:07.230 different fire tiers? 02:27:07.230 --> 02:27:09.333 Were they subject to PSPS? 02:27:10.370 --> 02:27:14.187 Having that, I hesitate to use the word standardized 02:27:14.187 --> 02:27:16.630 `cause in our world that can be very difficult, 02:27:16.630 --> 02:27:18.237 but at least we can have that. 02:27:18.237 --> 02:27:22.100 `Cause we researched websites and we would pour through four 02:27:22.100 --> 02:27:24.510 or five other documents trying to find a way to- 02:27:24.510 --> 02:27:26.140 Certain technologies that we think are critical 02:27:26.140 --> 02:27:30.963 to really reduce COVID in our economy, and a second- 02:27:31.930 --> 02:27:34.090 I don't know who that is, but that's- 02:27:34.090 --> 02:27:35.417 Oh, he's gone now. 02:27:37.041 --> 02:27:39.340 So that was really where we were focused on the structure 02:27:39.340 --> 02:27:42.110 is simplification in reading, 02:27:42.110 --> 02:27:47.110 the understanding the framework of the utility upfront 02:27:47.820 --> 02:27:50.580 and what was the action of demonstration 02:27:50.580 --> 02:27:53.460 of kind of both when they develop their plans, 02:27:53.460 --> 02:27:56.413 but also progress on their plans to their governing body. 02:27:59.440 --> 02:28:00.807 Said a mouthful, very good. 02:28:00.807 --> 02:28:04.950 And I just wanna quickly add that we're looking 02:28:04.950 --> 02:28:09.170 at this as a collaborative process that we had the initial, 02:28:09.170 --> 02:28:12.230 as I said at the beginning, we had the initial filing. 02:28:12.230 --> 02:28:13.740 You had a chance to look at them. 02:28:13.740 --> 02:28:17.930 These were some theme or a draft had some themes 02:28:17.930 --> 02:28:19.780 that appeared to us. 02:28:19.780 --> 02:28:22.460 So I know we're gonna have the next panel, 02:28:22.460 --> 02:28:25.720 but we're really seeing it as a collaborative effort 02:28:25.720 --> 02:28:30.293 and really appreciate everyone's participation to date. 02:28:32.400 --> 02:28:33.233 Thank you. 02:28:33.233 --> 02:28:34.066 Yeah, absolutely. 02:28:34.066 --> 02:28:38.600 This this is an opportunity for us all to get to know 02:28:39.520 --> 02:28:42.353 who each one of the POUs are. 02:28:43.720 --> 02:28:48.720 We saw that they are unique and there are no two alike. 02:28:49.070 --> 02:28:51.367 They may share some common issues, 02:28:53.301 --> 02:28:57.877 common topography, geography, obstacles, constraints 02:29:00.493 --> 02:29:05.493 to initiating any of the mitigating programs. 02:29:07.960 --> 02:29:12.350 But this is an opportunity and we encourage them 02:29:12.350 --> 02:29:16.210 as though the others who presented today to reach out to us 02:29:16.210 --> 02:29:19.103 so that we can get a better sense of who they are. 02:29:20.270 --> 02:29:23.340 With that, I'd like to give it back to you, 02:29:23.340 --> 02:29:27.933 Chair Edwards so that we can have our next module. 02:29:28.960 --> 02:29:30.810 Thank you, board member Porter. 02:29:30.810 --> 02:29:33.702 That was a very good job, I appreciate it. 02:29:33.702 --> 02:29:35.920 Before we enter into this next module, 02:29:35.920 --> 02:29:40.920 I do wanna make a comment with respect to the publicly owned 02:29:41.000 --> 02:29:44.700 and co-ops can be somewhat different. 02:29:44.700 --> 02:29:46.170 They can be privately owned, 02:29:46.170 --> 02:29:49.310 but publicly owned utilities are just that. 02:29:49.310 --> 02:29:52.460 And the fact of their size usually does facilitate much 02:29:52.460 --> 02:29:57.210 closer relationships with a lot of the emergency response 02:29:57.210 --> 02:30:00.170 actions, activities and connections 02:30:00.170 --> 02:30:03.320 with the people who operate them, 02:30:03.320 --> 02:30:06.790 it's also worthwhile to keep in mind that these agencies 02:30:06.790 --> 02:30:09.793 do not have stockholders nor profit margin. 02:30:10.970 --> 02:30:15.210 The race they go in go to maintain cost of service, 02:30:15.210 --> 02:30:17.780 as well as to do enhancements, 02:30:17.780 --> 02:30:21.900 you know, repairs, capital work to their systems. 02:30:21.900 --> 02:30:24.910 And so it's no surprise that you will see 02:30:24.910 --> 02:30:27.720 that that's a large focus for them all. 02:30:27.720 --> 02:30:31.957 Alright, so I wanna thank everyone as well as CMUA, 02:30:31.957 --> 02:30:34.820 SCPPA, NCPA, Golden State Power Cooperatives 02:30:34.820 --> 02:30:39.770 for their support in developing these very first WMP. 02:30:39.770 --> 02:30:42.060 And thank you to CMUA way for helping us 02:30:42.060 --> 02:30:45.323 with that first front page template. 02:30:46.220 --> 02:30:48.610 Okay, now we're gonna talk about the next stage 02:30:48.610 --> 02:30:50.510 of the discussion. 02:30:50.510 --> 02:30:55.510 So we reviewed the plans and we would like to find ways 02:30:55.610 --> 02:30:58.990 to build on the work that was done for this year 02:30:58.990 --> 02:31:01.460 in ways that are informative, 02:31:01.460 --> 02:31:06.077 not iterative or could be categorized as busy work. 02:31:07.840 --> 02:31:11.130 So we'd like to work with you to develop these templates 02:31:11.130 --> 02:31:13.713 for the 2021 updates. 02:31:14.720 --> 02:31:17.420 Our current thoughts are covered in, 02:31:17.420 --> 02:31:18.560 I think it's section four 02:31:18.560 --> 02:31:21.610 of the draft guidance advisory opinion 02:31:21.610 --> 02:31:23.120 that we put forth last week. 02:31:23.120 --> 02:31:25.440 Again, this is not a complete document. 02:31:25.440 --> 02:31:29.290 We're awaiting your feedback, your commentary 02:31:29.290 --> 02:31:31.800 and we would hope to go public with this, 02:31:31.800 --> 02:31:35.427 I think it is December 9th. 02:31:35.427 --> 02:31:40.330 Okay, moving to the associations. 02:31:40.330 --> 02:31:42.100 We have Jessica Nelson, 02:31:42.100 --> 02:31:45.630 the General Manager of Golden State Power Cooperative. 02:31:45.630 --> 02:31:47.590 Barry Moline, Executive Director 02:31:47.590 --> 02:31:51.500 of the California Municipal Utilities Association. 02:31:51.500 --> 02:31:54.970 Stop Thomas Tomaszewski we're in California Power Agency 02:31:54.970 --> 02:31:58.540 and either Michael Webster or Randy Kreger. 02:31:58.540 --> 02:32:01.450 And I'll wait to be excited by which one we get, 02:32:01.450 --> 02:32:04.110 the Southern California public power is 40. 02:32:04.110 --> 02:32:06.151 Can we make sure they are unmuted 02:32:06.151 --> 02:32:07.883 and their camera is on please. 02:32:14.290 --> 02:32:17.510 So and I'm gonna address this this broadly. 02:32:17.510 --> 02:32:19.590 Try if you can and not step on one another, 02:32:19.590 --> 02:32:21.683 because I can only see four at a time, 02:32:23.219 --> 02:32:26.420 but when you look at the groupings, 02:32:26.420 --> 02:32:30.860 is there any logic between grouping on risk profiles 02:32:30.860 --> 02:32:33.720 or specific categories? 02:32:33.720 --> 02:32:37.083 And anyone can answer just start talking in a real sequence. 02:32:48.070 --> 02:32:50.550 All right, with that detailed answer, 02:32:50.550 --> 02:32:54.620 let me ask, Scott Tom, just give his opinion. 02:32:54.620 --> 02:32:57.020 Is there value in breaking it apart in that way? 02:33:03.773 --> 02:33:07.370 Let me rephrase, do we have Scott? 02:33:07.370 --> 02:33:08.203 There we go. 02:33:08.203 --> 02:33:09.670 I'll hit the mute button on my phone, I'm sorry. 02:33:09.670 --> 02:33:11.020 There you go. 02:33:11.020 --> 02:33:13.770 Thanks for the opportunity and good to see you again. 02:33:15.900 --> 02:33:19.353 I think part of the challenge with how we categorize 02:33:19.353 --> 02:33:23.280 is something that you have really identified 02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:25.450 and many of you have identified over the course 02:33:25.450 --> 02:33:29.040 of this discussion is that the unique nature of what we are 02:33:29.040 --> 02:33:32.420 makes it really difficult to throw us in categories 02:33:32.420 --> 02:33:34.370 of low risk, medium risk and high risk. 02:33:35.420 --> 02:33:38.100 In one respect, you can start with the Tier 1, 02:33:38.100 --> 02:33:39.780 Tier 2, Tier 3 classification, 02:33:39.780 --> 02:33:41.347 but then you have different utilities 02:33:41.347 --> 02:33:43.210 that fall in different areas, 02:33:43.210 --> 02:33:45.293 so you have that problem to deal with. 02:33:46.170 --> 02:33:47.980 You have the distinction between some utilities 02:33:47.980 --> 02:33:51.322 that might have some transmission system 02:33:51.322 --> 02:33:53.000 and others that do not. 02:33:53.000 --> 02:33:55.983 So you have that to deal with as well. 02:33:57.350 --> 02:33:59.363 So it does become problematic. 02:34:00.250 --> 02:34:02.850 The idea of dealing with a blended risk profile 02:34:02.850 --> 02:34:06.310 while having portions of Tier 2 and Tier 3, 02:34:06.310 --> 02:34:09.070 that may be maybe something you can deal with, 02:34:09.070 --> 02:34:10.410 but at the same time, 02:34:10.410 --> 02:34:14.430 utilities are going to focus their interest on the things 02:34:14.430 --> 02:34:16.510 that best protect their communities. 02:34:16.510 --> 02:34:20.310 And so you have a situation where vegetation management 02:34:20.310 --> 02:34:22.520 is just first and foremost. 02:34:22.520 --> 02:34:24.650 And when you start to look at the groupings 02:34:24.650 --> 02:34:27.330 and you look at the, and we'll get into the major CS 02:34:27.330 --> 02:34:29.260 and how we deal with templates, 02:34:29.260 --> 02:34:31.290 it becomes really problematic. 02:34:31.290 --> 02:34:33.740 So the focus for us almost becomes 02:34:33.740 --> 02:34:37.170 trying to find the things that work best for us. 02:34:37.170 --> 02:34:39.160 And then we focus on those particular areas. 02:34:39.160 --> 02:34:43.140 So it's a start, it just becomes problematic. 02:34:43.140 --> 02:34:46.440 And my concern is that we end up putting ourselves 02:34:46.440 --> 02:34:49.070 in categories where there's a lot more behind the story 02:34:49.070 --> 02:34:52.470 than saying you're low risk, medium risk or high risk. 02:34:52.470 --> 02:34:55.820 No, I don't wanna agree, so noted. 02:34:55.820 --> 02:34:59.580 In part this is a real stay mechanism attempted 02:34:59.580 --> 02:35:03.480 to help teach the board about the TOU structures 02:35:03.480 --> 02:35:05.020 and about their priorities. 02:35:05.020 --> 02:35:07.650 And it's the reason we're talking to the community 02:35:07.650 --> 02:35:09.113 in a workshop environment. 02:35:10.120 --> 02:35:13.510 If what we think are not good gradiations, 02:35:13.510 --> 02:35:16.167 but if you can think of others that are more logical, 02:35:16.167 --> 02:35:20.340 `cause there were a significant number of commonalities 02:35:20.340 --> 02:35:23.090 out of the 50 reports that you read. 02:35:23.090 --> 02:35:25.802 So there needs to be some way of addressing 02:35:25.802 --> 02:35:28.350 both of those interests. 02:35:28.350 --> 02:35:29.880 And if we could think about it 02:35:30.800 --> 02:35:33.710 and if you could keep it in mind as you frame your responses 02:35:33.710 --> 02:35:34.900 to the guidance document, 02:35:34.900 --> 02:35:37.033 I think that would be very helpful. 02:35:38.340 --> 02:35:41.657 Well, Chair Edwards, this is Barry Moline. 02:35:41.657 --> 02:35:43.010 Hi there. 02:35:43.010 --> 02:35:46.870 Hi, in that categorization, 02:35:46.870 --> 02:35:49.073 I just wanna ask a clarifying question. 02:35:51.980 --> 02:35:56.113 Are you looking at well, I don't know that, 02:35:57.850 --> 02:35:59.630 I agree with Scott that it's difficult 02:35:59.630 --> 02:36:01.250 to just flat out categorize. 02:36:01.250 --> 02:36:04.380 However, I think within the categories, 02:36:04.380 --> 02:36:08.010 you might have directional utilities. 02:36:08.010 --> 02:36:10.410 I mean, as you list in the report, 02:36:10.410 --> 02:36:12.310 urban locked or underground, 02:36:12.310 --> 02:36:17.310 maybe sort of a category utilities with sort of a... 02:36:17.420 --> 02:36:19.290 You didn't really call them medium or high, 02:36:19.290 --> 02:36:20.783 but well, you sort of did. 02:36:24.268 --> 02:36:28.060 A mix of a wild land and an urban 02:36:28.060 --> 02:36:33.060 and then utilities that are in the forest basically 02:36:34.080 --> 02:36:37.630 or high risk, that's what you label as high risk. 02:36:37.630 --> 02:36:42.630 And as the concept more that we get those utilities to talk 02:36:43.130 --> 02:36:47.883 to each other so that they are sharing best practices. 02:36:49.435 --> 02:36:51.760 I mean I don't think that we can categorize 02:36:51.760 --> 02:36:53.877 them specifically, well, yeah. 02:36:53.877 --> 02:36:56.170 No matter what the associations do now. 02:36:56.170 --> 02:36:57.003 Right. 02:36:57.003 --> 02:36:58.800 Well, maybe that's how we thought about, 02:36:58.800 --> 02:37:03.800 a solution is getting those folks to talk more to each other 02:37:04.180 --> 02:37:07.090 in each of those general categories. 02:37:07.090 --> 02:37:08.550 Like, I don't think we can categorize them 02:37:08.550 --> 02:37:12.420 or I don't think they can specifically 02:37:12.420 --> 02:37:13.564 categorize themselves. 02:37:13.564 --> 02:37:17.250 Maybe if you can, there's no question that a few can, 02:37:17.250 --> 02:37:21.570 those that are 95 plus percent underground 02:37:21.570 --> 02:37:24.660 or those that are 95% percent of the forest, 02:37:24.660 --> 02:37:29.090 but those are in the 20% range. 02:37:29.090 --> 02:37:31.363 And there's a big group in the middle. 02:37:32.490 --> 02:37:37.490 But I guess, so my question is the idea that they, 02:37:37.790 --> 02:37:40.460 that those folks that are in those general 02:37:40.460 --> 02:37:41.940 directional categories, 02:37:41.940 --> 02:37:45.180 that they'd be talking to each other and sharing ideas 02:37:45.180 --> 02:37:46.800 with each other about what they're doing. 02:37:46.800 --> 02:37:47.633 I mean, is that what- 02:37:47.633 --> 02:37:51.230 To some extent though, I think they do. 02:37:51.230 --> 02:37:54.350 I believe that TOU community has one of the more dynamic 02:37:55.310 --> 02:37:57.700 information exchange methodologies. 02:37:57.700 --> 02:38:00.810 And maybe the more logical cut is 02:38:00.810 --> 02:38:03.220 is the broad category on the top, 02:38:03.220 --> 02:38:07.120 but then a narrower definition of specific strategies 02:38:07.120 --> 02:38:09.730 that have commonality between municipalities, 02:38:09.730 --> 02:38:11.610 that's the reason we're bringing it up. 02:38:11.610 --> 02:38:16.610 I think your sector has a better idea how to go about this. 02:38:17.237 --> 02:38:19.500 And to what extent it would be useful. 02:38:19.500 --> 02:38:23.080 And again, we have experts on our board, 02:38:23.080 --> 02:38:27.670 but many are experts in a more narrow vein. 02:38:27.670 --> 02:38:30.330 And so it's important to bear that in mind 02:38:30.330 --> 02:38:33.660 what might seem to be to you as an incremental point 02:38:33.660 --> 02:38:35.750 that might include five, 02:38:35.750 --> 02:38:40.750 to them it's sort of a large overarching category. 02:38:40.840 --> 02:38:42.980 So I think it will work its way clear, 02:38:42.980 --> 02:38:46.560 but if you guys could think about it as you discuss this 02:38:46.560 --> 02:38:47.690 over the next period of time, 02:38:47.690 --> 02:38:49.893 before you submit some of your remarks. 02:38:51.500 --> 02:38:54.173 Do we have Mike or Randy on here from SCPPA? 02:38:58.210 --> 02:38:59.310 Are you unmuted? 02:39:01.830 --> 02:39:03.630 Did you decide to do something else? 02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:07.833 All right. 02:39:11.970 --> 02:39:13.193 Let me see here. 02:39:14.870 --> 02:39:18.660 One of the issues and the question is to any of you is, 02:39:18.660 --> 02:39:20.600 I noticed when I reviewed a lot of reports 02:39:20.600 --> 02:39:23.540 there's redundancy and there's nothing 02:39:23.540 --> 02:39:27.140 that drives me crazier than having people say the same thing 02:39:27.140 --> 02:39:29.750 in three or four different different pages, 02:39:29.750 --> 02:39:32.450 because they were trying to necessarily be responsive 02:39:32.450 --> 02:39:34.170 to the statute. 02:39:34.170 --> 02:39:37.230 Like I had, part of mine was the one on reclosures. 02:39:38.220 --> 02:39:39.770 I thought I knew what they did, 02:39:40.660 --> 02:39:44.180 but after reading some of these plans, it was very, 02:39:44.180 --> 02:39:46.430 it was difficult to start to draw conclusions 02:39:46.430 --> 02:39:49.270 as to the logic behind what some of the agencies 02:39:49.270 --> 02:39:51.950 were not doing along those lines. 02:39:51.950 --> 02:39:54.270 So they're and I noticed in some of them, 02:39:54.270 --> 02:39:56.650 there's a bit on reclosures here. 02:39:56.650 --> 02:39:59.490 And then four pages down there was a bit on reclosure there. 02:39:59.490 --> 02:40:02.693 And then, so it would be helpful. 02:40:04.800 --> 02:40:07.480 And I wonder too, if from our standpoint, 02:40:07.480 --> 02:40:12.270 would it help to add questions from our side to try 02:40:12.270 --> 02:40:15.030 to bring broader light to 02:40:15.030 --> 02:40:17.020 what is it we're trying to figure out? 02:40:17.020 --> 02:40:20.190 What is it we're trying to gain an understanding of 02:40:20.190 --> 02:40:23.440 rather than have you guys try and get what it is 02:40:23.440 --> 02:40:25.790 that we're trying to accomplish? 02:40:25.790 --> 02:40:29.623 We talked about that, it's a question mode. 02:40:32.340 --> 02:40:35.890 And then what would lend itself to a template format 02:40:35.890 --> 02:40:40.890 is the learning from the 2020 end piece, what changed? 02:40:42.350 --> 02:40:45.130 What did you learn within the scope of that specific year? 02:40:45.130 --> 02:40:47.860 Or what did you do more of or less of? 02:40:47.860 --> 02:40:50.940 Because the agency themselves became more familiar 02:40:51.800 --> 02:40:53.920 with the process and their own, 02:40:53.920 --> 02:40:57.193 dealing with their own fire risk. 02:40:58.740 --> 02:41:01.970 I do wanna invite the board if any of you have comments 02:41:01.970 --> 02:41:04.470 or questions with respect to this. 02:41:04.470 --> 02:41:07.940 And I believe it was out of chats, 02:41:07.940 --> 02:41:11.190 but board member Syphard, 02:41:11.190 --> 02:41:14.570 you had a question regarding the risk assessment blocks 02:41:14.570 --> 02:41:17.430 that's in the previous section, 02:41:17.430 --> 02:41:19.860 I'm gonna fall back to that at the end of this, 02:41:19.860 --> 02:41:22.490 because I do know you have some important commentary, 02:41:22.490 --> 02:41:24.240 so if you would be patient with me. 02:41:26.970 --> 02:41:27.803 No problem. 02:41:28.677 --> 02:41:31.250 And it's also related to this whole conversation. 02:41:31.250 --> 02:41:34.210 So it'll irrelevant. 02:41:34.210 --> 02:41:36.010 As anything I like, it's relevant. 02:41:37.610 --> 02:41:39.810 Okay, did any of the board members have anything 02:41:39.810 --> 02:41:43.810 to either ask the associations or agencies 02:41:43.810 --> 02:41:48.810 with respect to next steps and to format templates Q and A? 02:41:51.911 --> 02:41:55.750 I have one comment on why we were looking 02:41:55.750 --> 02:41:59.760 for this category setting 02:41:59.760 --> 02:42:02.430 and understanding that everybody's unique, 02:42:02.430 --> 02:42:06.620 but we were hoping that by having some differentiation 02:42:06.620 --> 02:42:10.320 on risk or size or whatever, 02:42:10.320 --> 02:42:13.600 I guess it all feeds into risk that we could help 02:42:13.600 --> 02:42:16.680 some of the publicly owned utilities 02:42:16.680 --> 02:42:21.440 have a more streamlined filing that the sec... 02:42:21.440 --> 02:42:25.710 And we should open this to a discussion off line 02:42:25.710 --> 02:42:30.710 when we go into our template formation conversation. 02:42:30.900 --> 02:42:35.900 But I wanted to indicate that it wasn't just channeling each 02:42:36.400 --> 02:42:40.340 or trying to channel several different types 02:42:40.340 --> 02:42:42.540 of utilities into one bucket, 02:42:42.540 --> 02:42:46.303 but rather to make it more convenient in doing the WMP. 02:42:48.370 --> 02:42:50.380 Okay, fair enough. 02:42:50.380 --> 02:42:53.390 Any other comments, either on anything in that section 02:42:53.390 --> 02:42:56.903 really the groupings or the templates from the board? 02:42:57.894 --> 02:42:59.835 May I say a word or two? 02:42:59.835 --> 02:43:01.610 Please. 02:43:01.610 --> 02:43:03.910 So actually, I mean, I think this is a reasonable time 02:43:03.910 --> 02:43:06.080 for me to bring up one of the points 02:43:06.080 --> 02:43:07.730 that I wanna talk about which is, 02:43:08.700 --> 02:43:12.150 I think to reiterate what you all my fellow board members 02:43:12.150 --> 02:43:15.140 have described that we're looking to understand 02:43:15.140 --> 02:43:17.700 the complexity of and the uniqueness 02:43:17.700 --> 02:43:20.850 of each of the utilities and trying to gather 02:43:20.850 --> 02:43:23.840 that information through streamlining the process. 02:43:23.840 --> 02:43:26.023 And as an example of that, 02:43:27.010 --> 02:43:29.570 the things that I was looking for were like 02:43:29.570 --> 02:43:31.900 what are the prevailing winds in the region? 02:43:31.900 --> 02:43:34.933 What are the vegetation and topographic differences 02:43:34.933 --> 02:43:38.250 between this particular utility and others 02:43:38.250 --> 02:43:40.290 and how are those nuanced throughout 02:43:40.290 --> 02:43:44.220 even the service territory of an individual utility? 02:43:44.220 --> 02:43:47.550 So that uniqueness can be very complex. 02:43:47.550 --> 02:43:51.040 It's basically trying to describe the fire environment 02:43:51.040 --> 02:43:53.860 for every particular utility. 02:43:53.860 --> 02:43:56.430 And I think we try to streamline the conversation 02:43:56.430 --> 02:43:59.760 about whether it's in or not in HSTV 02:44:00.890 --> 02:44:04.730 and that we were making that a uniform category, 02:44:04.730 --> 02:44:09.140 but those details about age of vegetation, 02:44:09.140 --> 02:44:10.630 on what type of topography 02:44:10.630 --> 02:44:13.660 and what type of wind speeds on an average day, 02:44:13.660 --> 02:44:16.940 and then a high fire threat day or a particular Santa Ana 02:44:16.940 --> 02:44:20.690 or Diablo wind really define that for me. 02:44:20.690 --> 02:44:25.690 And so I guess my request is to be able to try to find a way 02:44:27.526 --> 02:44:32.526 to describe that in a more environmental way 02:44:32.900 --> 02:44:34.180 that we all understand. 02:44:34.180 --> 02:44:36.420 I'm sort of leveraging on what Alex, 02:44:36.420 --> 02:44:38.120 board member Syphard was saying earlier 02:44:38.120 --> 02:44:41.130 is that how do we gather maps from you 02:44:41.130 --> 02:44:43.710 that help describe these relative risks 02:44:44.890 --> 02:44:47.720 and what they're trying to tell us. 02:44:47.720 --> 02:44:49.260 So I think there's some place in the middle 02:44:49.260 --> 02:44:52.400 that we're all basically saying the same thing, 02:44:52.400 --> 02:44:53.723 that's my comment for now. 02:44:55.560 --> 02:44:56.890 Thank you board member Block. 02:44:56.890 --> 02:44:59.220 This is Berry Moline, I have a question about that, 02:44:59.220 --> 02:45:03.410 and that is would you find that that would have more meaning 02:45:03.410 --> 02:45:08.410 in a rural utility compared to an urban utility? 02:45:08.730 --> 02:45:10.478 So for example, Burbank, 02:45:10.478 --> 02:45:14.620 would that information about weather patterns 02:45:14.620 --> 02:45:18.550 make as much sense for them or Anaheim, for example, 02:45:18.550 --> 02:45:23.550 compared to Trinity in the North or something like that? 02:45:23.950 --> 02:45:26.650 I mean, I think there's significant nuance there. 02:45:26.650 --> 02:45:31.200 So Burbank and a number of the urban, 02:45:31.200 --> 02:45:32.540 a lot of the Los Angeles, 02:45:32.540 --> 02:45:37.354 urban fringe regions have these vegetated areas 02:45:37.354 --> 02:45:40.070 that would feed into the urban space. 02:45:40.070 --> 02:45:44.450 So some of the utilities that I saw who are entirely urban 02:45:44.450 --> 02:45:49.300 are bordering topographic areas that are heavily vegetated. 02:45:49.300 --> 02:45:52.700 And even though it may not be their responsibility 02:45:52.700 --> 02:45:56.320 that the relationship of the wind and the risk of fire 02:45:56.320 --> 02:45:58.180 coming from those regions into the area 02:45:58.180 --> 02:45:59.980 or potentially as spark coming from the city 02:45:59.980 --> 02:46:03.233 into the wildlands does exist. 02:46:04.520 --> 02:46:06.960 And so we don't understand fire risk unless we understand 02:46:06.960 --> 02:46:09.360 how strong the winds are and part that, 02:46:09.360 --> 02:46:12.783 which we're almost never mentioned in these utilities, 02:46:14.435 --> 02:46:16.610 in these plans. 02:46:16.610 --> 02:46:21.500 So I think it's equally important to describe 02:46:21.500 --> 02:46:26.500 because there's definitely a wild land urban interface risk 02:46:28.780 --> 02:46:33.780 for even places like Burbank compared to say Turlock, 02:46:34.500 --> 02:46:36.280 which is gonna be much more rural, 02:46:36.280 --> 02:46:39.220 but that have a very specific risk profile 02:46:39.220 --> 02:46:44.220 related to the weather and the topography and vegetation. 02:46:44.430 --> 02:46:46.280 Am I answering the question properly? 02:46:47.760 --> 02:46:49.103 I think so. 02:46:49.103 --> 02:46:53.920 I mean, just trying to gather more data on the rationale 02:46:53.920 --> 02:46:55.023 behind the request. 02:46:57.370 --> 02:46:59.030 Okay, yeah. 02:46:59.030 --> 02:47:01.520 I do want quickly to check with the operator. 02:47:01.520 --> 02:47:04.700 Do you by chance have either Mike Webster or Randy Kreger 02:47:04.700 --> 02:47:05.533 on the phone? 02:47:10.720 --> 02:47:11.553 Hi, Ms. Edwards. 02:47:11.553 --> 02:47:13.810 We are trying to work with the operator on Mike Webster. 02:47:13.810 --> 02:47:14.643 Chair Edward. 02:47:15.807 --> 02:47:17.823 Yes. 02:47:19.000 --> 02:47:21.500 At the danger of stating in a fourth time 02:47:21.500 --> 02:47:24.630 in a different way, which you've already called out to it, 02:47:24.630 --> 02:47:25.463 you don't like. 02:47:25.463 --> 02:47:30.360 But my question is in light of first going through these 02:47:34.300 --> 02:47:36.180 plans individually, 02:47:36.180 --> 02:47:38.640 and then going through the exercise of stepping back 02:47:38.640 --> 02:47:43.640 and going through them as a group. 02:47:43.810 --> 02:47:47.610 There's a number of patterns that emerged. 02:47:47.610 --> 02:47:49.340 And I could see, 02:47:49.340 --> 02:47:53.413 there are some things that are in common with all utilities 02:47:53.413 --> 02:47:57.200 that have facilities in high firefight district area. 02:47:57.200 --> 02:48:00.840 There's obviously, it's different for in the Southern region 02:48:00.840 --> 02:48:03.630 because the amount of fuel is different 02:48:03.630 --> 02:48:06.170 than in the Northern region. 02:48:06.170 --> 02:48:10.590 We get that, but there were a lot of best practices 02:48:10.590 --> 02:48:14.890 and there were a lot of particular analyses 02:48:14.890 --> 02:48:16.680 that were done over and over again, 02:48:16.680 --> 02:48:19.400 but some utilities that have similar profiles, 02:48:19.400 --> 02:48:22.350 we do certain analyses over sectionalizers 02:48:22.350 --> 02:48:25.820 or lightning arresters or expulsion fuses 02:48:25.820 --> 02:48:28.120 and then other ones would be silent. 02:48:28.120 --> 02:48:32.470 And like I don't know if that analysis was done. 02:48:32.470 --> 02:48:36.970 And so I think that there might be some facility or faculty 02:48:36.970 --> 02:48:40.840 or advantage to this board perhaps, 02:48:40.840 --> 02:48:45.530 working with the POUs to share those best practices 02:48:48.060 --> 02:48:51.140 or not to share them exactly. 02:48:51.140 --> 02:48:52.600 We're not gonna do the work, 02:48:52.600 --> 02:48:56.440 but to facilitate that transfer so that we could see 02:48:56.440 --> 02:49:01.440 consistently that are based on different risk profiles, 02:49:02.260 --> 02:49:07.260 that all the analysis was done and is able to facilitate 02:49:08.120 --> 02:49:10.540 those transfer of best practices. 02:49:10.540 --> 02:49:14.350 So it's hard to deal with each 50 individually, 02:49:14.350 --> 02:49:18.410 but you represent or particularly represent 02:49:18.410 --> 02:49:19.600 conglomerate of them. 02:49:19.600 --> 02:49:23.320 So maybe there's some facilities, there's some utility, 02:49:23.320 --> 02:49:26.073 there for us to be able to work together 02:49:26.073 --> 02:49:28.830 so that these welfare mitigation plans are more effective 02:49:28.830 --> 02:49:30.490 in the future. 02:49:30.490 --> 02:49:31.323 That's a good point. 02:49:31.323 --> 02:49:33.940 I think that was the point Barry was trying to speak to. 02:49:35.211 --> 02:49:37.350 This is my buster, can anybody hear me by chance? 02:49:37.350 --> 02:49:38.290 No. 02:49:38.290 --> 02:49:40.793 I think we should all be quiet and not answer. 02:49:41.820 --> 02:49:44.316 Michael, Mike, we got ya. (laughing) 02:49:44.316 --> 02:49:45.350 Have you been- 02:49:45.350 --> 02:49:47.583 That was very, very difficult, but I'm on. 02:49:48.581 --> 02:49:50.930 (laughing) 02:49:50.930 --> 02:49:51.763 Have you had, 02:49:51.763 --> 02:49:54.480 are you just joining us or have you had the benefit 02:49:54.480 --> 02:49:56.220 of some the discussion over the last. 02:49:56.220 --> 02:49:59.890 I've been participating in watching and listening, 02:49:59.890 --> 02:50:03.160 although you haven't heard me speak, unfortunately. 02:50:03.160 --> 02:50:04.720 Maybe that's a good thing. 02:50:04.720 --> 02:50:06.553 I was hoping though for just that. 02:50:08.127 --> 02:50:11.530 Given this particular topic 02:50:11.530 --> 02:50:14.150 and certainly your familiarity with your Southern California 02:50:14.150 --> 02:50:15.900 membership, what are your thoughts? 02:50:16.860 --> 02:50:21.860 So I kinda liked the idea of having a quick directory type 02:50:22.810 --> 02:50:26.980 checklist that was brought up so that you can actually get 02:50:26.980 --> 02:50:30.020 very quick read on the different utilities 02:50:30.020 --> 02:50:34.327 because I have Seritos and Colton all the way up to LADWP. 02:50:34.327 --> 02:50:36.010 And I don't speak for the members. 02:50:36.010 --> 02:50:39.430 We coordinate with the members, we try to help the members, 02:50:39.430 --> 02:50:44.020 but I am quite concerned about trying to come up 02:50:44.020 --> 02:50:46.910 with categories for the members. 02:50:46.910 --> 02:50:49.640 Because if you put somebody into a category 02:50:49.640 --> 02:50:51.410 and they may be considered low risk, 02:50:51.410 --> 02:50:54.670 and then you have some event where a wildfire 02:50:54.670 --> 02:50:59.670 has kicked off, I think we'd be held to a standard of, 02:51:00.840 --> 02:51:02.810 well, why didn't you address those risks 02:51:02.810 --> 02:51:05.970 in a comprehensive wildfire mitigation plan? 02:51:05.970 --> 02:51:08.350 So I think that there's things we can do to make it easier 02:51:08.350 --> 02:51:12.780 for the board to take the information 02:51:12.780 --> 02:51:14.370 and categorize themselves. 02:51:14.370 --> 02:51:16.990 But I don't think we want to impose a categorization 02:51:16.990 --> 02:51:20.100 on the utility so that they can address the issues 02:51:20.100 --> 02:51:23.170 as they think are appropriate for their communities 02:51:23.170 --> 02:51:26.040 and for their boards and governing bodies. 02:51:26.040 --> 02:51:27.010 I see what you're saying, 02:51:27.010 --> 02:51:30.390 though there are a lot of commonalities 02:51:30.390 --> 02:51:33.250 and perhaps risk isn't one of them. 02:51:33.250 --> 02:51:35.610 And I will remind you of the title of this group. 02:51:35.610 --> 02:51:38.090 We are advising you guys, 02:51:38.090 --> 02:51:40.730 we're trying to offer these areas of expertise up 02:51:40.730 --> 02:51:43.420 to the publicly owned community 02:51:43.420 --> 02:51:47.770 and our recommendations just simply go to those agencies. 02:51:47.770 --> 02:51:50.790 So it's important for us to all find a way 02:51:50.790 --> 02:51:52.880 to take advantage. 02:51:52.880 --> 02:51:56.930 I mean, what Alex and Jessica know alone about mapping 02:51:56.930 --> 02:52:00.110 and fire safety and risk is a lot more 02:52:00.110 --> 02:52:01.690 than I certainly know. 02:52:01.690 --> 02:52:04.340 So I want us to develop a methodology 02:52:04.340 --> 02:52:06.760 where we can extract that, 02:52:06.760 --> 02:52:09.620 we can include useful information in the plans. 02:52:09.620 --> 02:52:11.950 We can all learn from one another 02:52:11.950 --> 02:52:14.960 and we're not putting this burden on you, per se. 02:52:14.960 --> 02:52:19.010 We put up a stocking horse of this is how we would do it, 02:52:19.010 --> 02:52:23.330 but if you have ideas as to how better to do it, 02:52:23.330 --> 02:52:24.300 I think that's fine. 02:52:24.300 --> 02:52:25.510 And I do know the difficulty 02:52:25.510 --> 02:52:27.380 in making a statement like that 02:52:27.380 --> 02:52:29.170 when you have dissimilar members, 02:52:29.170 --> 02:52:32.900 all of whom would have a different ideas to how to respond. 02:52:32.900 --> 02:52:34.820 We are sensitive to that. 02:52:34.820 --> 02:52:35.890 Chair Edwards- 02:52:35.890 --> 02:52:38.900 May I just had one item that I think that our members 02:52:38.900 --> 02:52:41.840 have talked about has been extremely helpful 02:52:41.840 --> 02:52:44.470 is the sharing of best practices. 02:52:44.470 --> 02:52:47.080 SCPPA, we have a history of sharing best practices 02:52:47.080 --> 02:52:49.190 in a wide variety of areas, 02:52:49.190 --> 02:52:52.780 but this is one where I think it's especially important. 02:52:52.780 --> 02:52:56.820 So there may be some practices that are just truly 02:52:56.820 --> 02:53:00.570 outstanding in Northern California that our utilities need 02:53:00.570 --> 02:53:01.403 to hear about. 02:53:01.403 --> 02:53:05.370 So the more that this board can facilitate topical 02:53:05.370 --> 02:53:08.840 discussions on what the very best techniques are, 02:53:08.840 --> 02:53:12.640 is how we're actually going to improve the knowledge 02:53:12.640 --> 02:53:15.423 and ability of our other utilities. 02:53:16.340 --> 02:53:19.263 And I would just recommend that that's our focus area. 02:53:20.545 --> 02:53:21.850 And this is Scott as well. 02:53:21.850 --> 02:53:26.503 I definitely would like to echo that 100%. 02:53:27.530 --> 02:53:31.510 I also think in terms of where the educational forums help 02:53:31.510 --> 02:53:32.620 these best practices, 02:53:32.620 --> 02:53:35.000 we have our own respective superintendents groups. 02:53:35.000 --> 02:53:37.760 So we get down into the lower levels 02:53:37.760 --> 02:53:41.270 of dealing with the utilities that are on the ground, 02:53:41.270 --> 02:53:43.530 dealing with this stuff and sharing those best practices. 02:53:43.530 --> 02:53:47.250 So if there's any suggestion that we don't do that already, 02:53:47.250 --> 02:53:51.720 I hope that sort of, we can kind of change that direction. 02:53:51.720 --> 02:53:53.460 That there's a lot more that needs to be done, 02:53:53.460 --> 02:53:56.810 but I will say things like what you've put together today 02:53:56.810 --> 02:53:59.380 to have six presentations on the front end 02:53:59.380 --> 02:54:01.370 to talk about a lot of those practices, 02:54:01.370 --> 02:54:05.860 those are the things that really help inform each utility 02:54:05.860 --> 02:54:08.080 as they take into consideration things 02:54:08.080 --> 02:54:10.400 that they would change for 2021 and beyond. 02:54:10.400 --> 02:54:14.180 And so the plans themselves are really written 02:54:14.180 --> 02:54:16.970 to serve the communities that they actually are trying 02:54:16.970 --> 02:54:17.803 to protect. 02:54:17.803 --> 02:54:20.530 And of course, number one on our list is public safety. 02:54:20.530 --> 02:54:23.060 So we're not gonna short trip any of that when it comes 02:54:23.060 --> 02:54:25.910 to wildfire mitigation and the life. 02:54:25.910 --> 02:54:29.270 So we have our audiences as our members. 02:54:29.270 --> 02:54:32.710 And the challenge is to try and provide the information 02:54:32.710 --> 02:54:35.470 in the way that you can do an analysis. 02:54:35.470 --> 02:54:38.580 And then identify areas where there might be vulnerabilities 02:54:38.580 --> 02:54:41.960 or some gaps and provide us with recommendations 02:54:41.960 --> 02:54:44.120 for how we might improve our plans in the future 02:54:44.120 --> 02:54:47.950 with the idea that it may not apply to utility A, 02:54:47.950 --> 02:54:49.540 but it may apply to utility B. 02:54:49.540 --> 02:54:51.080 So it's that information sharing 02:54:51.080 --> 02:54:54.590 that's just so critical to making it work for us 02:54:54.590 --> 02:54:57.070 as a group of utilities. 02:54:57.070 --> 02:54:57.970 I would agree. 02:54:57.970 --> 02:55:01.280 And I would thank our analysts for being the ones 02:55:01.280 --> 02:55:03.440 who thought we should really surface a workshop, 02:55:03.440 --> 02:55:06.810 so we had an opportunity to talk about it in detail. 02:55:06.810 --> 02:55:09.300 But what I would like to see back, 02:55:09.300 --> 02:55:13.820 difficulty level not withstanding is suggestions. 02:55:13.820 --> 02:55:16.600 I get the no, we don't wanna do this. 02:55:16.600 --> 02:55:18.300 That's fine and I understand it. 02:55:18.300 --> 02:55:23.210 But let's entertain what we can do, would wanna do. 02:55:23.210 --> 02:55:27.120 What bifurcations are indeed possible. 02:55:27.120 --> 02:55:31.100 And we can also include questions from our stance to try 02:55:31.100 --> 02:55:32.010 to lean clarity. 02:55:32.010 --> 02:55:33.560 And to those, it's fine to say, 02:55:33.560 --> 02:55:35.883 well, that wouldn't work and here's why. 02:55:36.730 --> 02:55:38.503 That's a reasonably good answer. 02:55:39.460 --> 02:55:41.370 Do I have any more board members who have to, 02:55:41.370 --> 02:55:44.163 wanna add on a statement or ask a question? 02:55:45.408 --> 02:55:49.400 I just wanted to clarify, well, I'm making sure. 02:55:49.400 --> 02:55:50.560 Just wanna clarify. 02:55:50.560 --> 02:55:53.987 I was only talking in terms of the WMPs and dont's 02:55:56.477 --> 02:55:58.010 or best practices. 02:55:58.010 --> 02:56:01.920 So we're not trying to run your utilities 02:56:01.920 --> 02:56:03.900 or tell you how to run them. 02:56:03.900 --> 02:56:06.597 Mr. Mader is used to going after the IOUs 02:56:07.464 --> 02:56:12.464 and he's now accustoming himself to the cooperation level 02:56:13.030 --> 02:56:13.863 of the POUs. 02:56:16.280 --> 02:56:17.900 I wanna check with Jessica Nelson 02:56:17.900 --> 02:56:19.430 and make sure she doesn't have anything 02:56:19.430 --> 02:56:21.710 she wants to add to this discussion. 02:56:21.710 --> 02:56:23.370 Jesse, you still there? 02:56:23.370 --> 02:56:25.280 I'm still here, can you hear me? 02:56:25.280 --> 02:56:26.470 Yes. 02:56:26.470 --> 02:56:29.120 Great, thank you for the invitation to participate. 02:56:29.120 --> 02:56:30.780 And I really just wanna echo 02:56:30.780 --> 02:56:33.583 what my colleagues have shared. 02:56:35.288 --> 02:56:39.360 We really appreciate your ongoing recognition 02:56:39.360 --> 02:56:42.070 that each utility is unique, 02:56:42.070 --> 02:56:43.750 but we also want to make sure 02:56:43.750 --> 02:56:47.530 that you maximize your efficiency. 02:56:47.530 --> 02:56:50.210 And so I think we would welcome the opportunity 02:56:50.210 --> 02:56:52.540 to provide clarifying information upfront 02:56:52.540 --> 02:56:57.540 to help you assess our wildfire mitigation plans 02:56:59.900 --> 02:57:03.700 and make it an efficient assessment for you as well. 02:57:03.700 --> 02:57:08.440 And then allow us to focus our efforts on best practices 02:57:08.440 --> 02:57:09.560 and information sharing. 02:57:09.560 --> 02:57:12.980 And maybe that upfront key, 02:57:12.980 --> 02:57:16.360 a cover page with some specifical information will help us 02:57:16.360 --> 02:57:21.230 kind of be able to look to our other utilities 02:57:21.230 --> 02:57:26.230 and see how is someone who's most like my utility doing, 02:57:29.200 --> 02:57:30.200 implementing things 02:57:30.200 --> 02:57:32.950 and maybe there's something to learn from them. 02:57:32.950 --> 02:57:37.250 And so I think, I understand where you're going 02:57:37.250 --> 02:57:41.000 with wanting to get that clarifying information 02:57:41.000 --> 02:57:42.220 about each of us, 02:57:42.220 --> 02:57:45.744 so that we can really maximize our efficiency 02:57:45.744 --> 02:57:47.850 and take care of our community. 02:57:47.850 --> 02:57:51.130 So thank you very much, I appreciate that. 02:57:51.130 --> 02:57:52.450 Board members last chance. 02:57:52.450 --> 02:57:55.610 And as I said, I'm gonna fall back quickly 02:57:55.610 --> 02:57:57.460 to the risk assessment portion. 02:57:57.460 --> 02:58:02.050 And I will apologize because I was the one who was rushing 02:58:02.890 --> 02:58:04.440 this Mr. Porter like usual. 02:58:04.440 --> 02:58:09.440 So if you would permit us falling back to risk assessment 02:58:11.020 --> 02:58:13.580 as a portion of that last bit, 02:58:13.580 --> 02:58:16.610 the recommendations were on details of infrastructure risk 02:58:16.610 --> 02:58:18.730 and situational awareness technology. 02:58:18.730 --> 02:58:22.480 And that Bagley-Keene group was made up of board members, 02:58:22.480 --> 02:58:24.750 Maynard, Syphard and Block. 02:58:24.750 --> 02:58:27.430 And I'd like to entertain some comments 02:58:27.430 --> 02:58:28.580 from the three of them. 02:58:30.370 --> 02:58:31.920 Mr. Mader, why don't you start? 02:58:35.920 --> 02:58:36.753 You're muted. 02:58:40.270 --> 02:58:42.200 On risk assessments? 02:58:42.200 --> 02:58:43.033 Mm-hmm. 02:58:44.210 --> 02:58:49.210 So my perception was that when reviewing these plans 02:58:52.880 --> 02:58:55.930 that some utility did a deeper dive 02:58:55.930 --> 02:59:00.930 on potential other areas that were high risk, 02:59:00.960 --> 02:59:05.100 but almost all of them did a fantastic job identifying 02:59:06.220 --> 02:59:08.787 the facilities in their service territory 02:59:08.787 --> 02:59:11.323 that were in the high fire site district areas. 02:59:13.204 --> 02:59:17.120 There was an analysis of whether or not to use reclose, 02:59:17.120 --> 02:59:21.063 blocking where the impact of the community. 02:59:22.020 --> 02:59:24.400 And that's what I was looking for. 02:59:24.400 --> 02:59:27.220 I was looking for identification of where they are 02:59:31.090 --> 02:59:34.710 but what I didn't see the uniform application 02:59:34.710 --> 02:59:37.830 or statement of the analysis of some of the basics 02:59:37.830 --> 02:59:40.790 like expulsion, getting rid of explosive fields 02:59:40.790 --> 02:59:41.623 is everywhere. 02:59:41.623 --> 02:59:46.320 The analysis of that or an analysis of the lightening arrest 02:59:46.320 --> 02:59:48.800 or things like that. 02:59:48.800 --> 02:59:53.420 Those I would like to see, I'm sure that they were done, 02:59:53.420 --> 02:59:58.420 but we're advising the POUs on their WMP 02:59:59.660 --> 03:00:01.360 and we'd like to see these analysis done 03:00:01.360 --> 03:00:04.263 so that we know that these were addressed. 03:00:06.090 --> 03:00:07.023 We wanna verify. 03:00:08.520 --> 03:00:09.470 That makes sense. 03:00:10.390 --> 03:00:11.223 Anything else? 03:00:12.334 --> 03:00:14.357 No, not this time. 03:00:14.357 --> 03:00:15.993 Board member Syphard. 03:00:19.230 --> 03:00:21.550 Yeah, I don't have anything either. 03:00:21.550 --> 03:00:23.880 I think Jessica, board member Block 03:00:23.880 --> 03:00:26.230 has something to say about this. 03:00:26.230 --> 03:00:27.910 All right, thank you very much. 03:00:27.910 --> 03:00:29.630 Board member Block. 03:00:29.630 --> 03:00:32.070 So actually some of the stuff I'm about to say 03:00:32.070 --> 03:00:34.720 comes from the rest of my board members in this BK, 03:00:34.720 --> 03:00:38.910 but I think the purpose of the risk assessment 03:00:38.910 --> 03:00:41.810 has a lot to do with this emerging technology 03:00:41.810 --> 03:00:43.630 of weather stations and cameras 03:00:43.630 --> 03:00:46.380 that the IOUs have invested in. 03:00:46.380 --> 03:00:51.380 I was glad to see how some of the POUs were leveraging 03:00:51.470 --> 03:00:54.420 the partnerships with the IOUs and using their same assets. 03:00:55.850 --> 03:00:57.820 And so that's useful. 03:00:57.820 --> 03:01:00.590 I really was looking for what weather stations 03:01:00.590 --> 03:01:02.870 were in those POU service territories 03:01:02.870 --> 03:01:05.250 that potentially the IOUs had installed 03:01:05.250 --> 03:01:08.373 and what those stations are reading. 03:01:10.150 --> 03:01:14.080 But there were some basic questions 03:01:14.080 --> 03:01:15.850 that were also interesting to me in terms 03:01:15.850 --> 03:01:17.500 of understanding risk assessment. 03:01:19.000 --> 03:01:20.180 Is there any HSTD? 03:01:20.180 --> 03:01:24.850 What type of prevailing vegetation types do you have? 03:01:24.850 --> 03:01:28.640 What are the dominant eco regions in your service territory? 03:01:28.640 --> 03:01:33.210 So are you a desert shrub, 03:01:33.210 --> 03:01:34.670 Chaparral type of environment? 03:01:34.670 --> 03:01:36.910 Or are you kind of a forest type of environment? 03:01:36.910 --> 03:01:38.780 What kind of trees do you have in your environment? 03:01:38.780 --> 03:01:40.290 In your service territory? 03:01:40.290 --> 03:01:41.350 Are there trees at all? 03:01:41.350 --> 03:01:44.233 If so, what kinds, what are the non-native, 03:01:45.180 --> 03:01:48.610 what is their habit for stretching and breaking? 03:01:48.610 --> 03:01:53.610 What kind of rescue do you have for invading grasses 03:01:56.210 --> 03:01:58.010 under under the poles? 03:01:58.010 --> 03:02:03.010 You know these sort of monitoring of the environment details 03:02:03.200 --> 03:02:05.060 that would be helpful for understanding risk 03:02:05.060 --> 03:02:06.913 as a unique POU. 03:02:07.970 --> 03:02:11.610 So that's expanding on what I mentioned 03:02:11.610 --> 03:02:12.760 just a few minutes ago. 03:02:13.740 --> 03:02:15.260 Okay, good. 03:02:15.260 --> 03:02:17.547 You do bring up one other small thing for me. 03:02:17.547 --> 03:02:22.077 And that's the issue of information sharing the cost, 03:02:22.077 --> 03:02:23.973 the POU-IOU line. 03:02:25.430 --> 03:02:28.650 Some agencies have a reasonable working relationship 03:02:28.650 --> 03:02:31.380 and other POUs are told by their IOU 03:02:31.380 --> 03:02:35.123 that they can read it when it goes public and not before. 03:02:36.590 --> 03:02:40.590 We should talk as a board to what extent we could facilitate 03:02:41.450 --> 03:02:46.210 a degree of greater information sharing across that line, 03:02:46.210 --> 03:02:47.740 because I think it can do nothing 03:02:47.740 --> 03:02:50.750 but advantage everyone. 03:02:50.750 --> 03:02:52.460 And I have heard that anecdotally 03:02:52.460 --> 03:02:55.593 is an issue from a number of folks. 03:02:57.270 --> 03:03:00.750 Any more comments by the board on the risk portion. 03:03:00.750 --> 03:03:03.673 And again, my apologies board member Porter for rushing. 03:03:06.700 --> 03:03:07.533 Okay. 03:03:11.630 --> 03:03:15.023 I have one comment in this section, if I may. 03:03:16.282 --> 03:03:18.060 On inspection in general before you move on. 03:03:18.060 --> 03:03:20.120 Sure, now, go ahead. 03:03:20.120 --> 03:03:20.953 Thanks. 03:03:20.953 --> 03:03:25.660 I wanna thank the associations for giving us this feedback 03:03:25.660 --> 03:03:29.260 and that's exactly how we design this report. 03:03:29.260 --> 03:03:32.850 If you notice we watermark draft in very large letters 03:03:32.850 --> 03:03:37.240 on every page and you have an opportunity 03:03:37.240 --> 03:03:40.120 for public comment, which is coming up 03:03:40.120 --> 03:03:44.060 and that's going to be for our December 9th meeting. 03:03:44.060 --> 03:03:45.530 We'll talk about that more at the end, 03:03:45.530 --> 03:03:49.400 but I really, I think I'm speaking on behalf 03:03:49.400 --> 03:03:51.610 of the entire board 03:03:51.610 --> 03:03:56.340 when I say we appreciate having this open discussion, 03:03:56.340 --> 03:03:59.480 we don't have any ex party prohibitations. 03:03:59.480 --> 03:04:02.657 We actually don't make any binding decisions 03:04:02.657 --> 03:04:03.963 `cause we're advisory. 03:04:05.210 --> 03:04:08.270 So this is very, very useful to us 03:04:08.270 --> 03:04:12.270 to look at our recommendations 03:04:12.270 --> 03:04:16.530 and then help us shape it into something that's usable, 03:04:16.530 --> 03:04:21.530 content rich, utility specific and succinct. 03:04:21.870 --> 03:04:25.120 So thanks for your participation 03:04:25.120 --> 03:04:27.193 and your crank, if that's today. 03:04:29.120 --> 03:04:30.670 Thank you, Vice-chair, Fellman. 03:04:31.760 --> 03:04:34.540 We'll talk about some of the additional conversations 03:04:34.540 --> 03:04:35.373 going forward. 03:04:35.373 --> 03:04:39.000 What I'd like to do quickly is check with Katherine 03:04:39.920 --> 03:04:41.250 regarding the web chat 03:04:41.250 --> 03:04:44.150 and see if we have any public questions that have come in. 03:04:45.680 --> 03:04:46.513 We don't, 03:04:46.513 --> 03:04:48.370 but I would just like to take this moment 03:04:48.370 --> 03:04:53.210 to encourage folks who are listening in. 03:04:53.210 --> 03:04:54.880 If you'd like to make a public comment, 03:04:54.880 --> 03:04:58.830 you can do so through the operator. 03:04:58.830 --> 03:05:02.213 And let me get that phone number again. 03:05:03.410 --> 03:05:06.410 And then you can also, if you're logged on with this WebEx, 03:05:06.410 --> 03:05:08.150 you can make a comment in the chat 03:05:08.150 --> 03:05:09.740 and we'll read that out loud. 03:05:09.740 --> 03:05:13.530 So maybe I'll flag you Marcie 03:05:13.530 --> 03:05:16.230 if we get anything before the end of the meeting. 03:05:16.230 --> 03:05:18.623 I appreciate that Jamie, same with email, 03:05:19.610 --> 03:05:23.020 if any come in and prior to closing public comment, 03:05:23.020 --> 03:05:24.380 it would have been good if I opened it. 03:05:24.380 --> 03:05:26.930 But again, it's not a formalized meeting, 03:05:26.930 --> 03:05:28.780 it's a little bit looser. 03:05:28.780 --> 03:05:30.250 All right, this is the end of the meeting. 03:05:30.250 --> 03:05:31.780 Board members, before you run off, 03:05:31.780 --> 03:05:33.017 we're gonna have a chat subsequently. 03:05:33.017 --> 03:05:34.840 Hey, wait! 03:05:34.840 --> 03:05:36.010 Yes, ma'am. 03:05:36.010 --> 03:05:38.073 Chair Edwards, we did get some emails. 03:05:39.640 --> 03:05:41.263 Oh, I'm painfully excited. 03:05:42.240 --> 03:05:43.157 You should be, (indistinct). 03:05:43.157 --> 03:05:44.366 How many? 03:05:44.366 --> 03:05:47.187 You said plural. Two, yes, two emails. 03:05:47.187 --> 03:05:49.430 Why don't you go ahead then Jamie? 03:05:49.430 --> 03:05:54.430 So the first email is from Danny Xeroganza, 03:05:59.030 --> 03:06:02.020 consultant from Grid Subject Matter Experts. 03:06:02.020 --> 03:06:04.170 The first is, is there any consideration 03:06:04.170 --> 03:06:07.040 in the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board 03:06:07.040 --> 03:06:10.760 drafting a guidance document to provide specific 03:06:10.760 --> 03:06:13.180 expectations of the independent evaluators 03:06:13.180 --> 03:06:15.283 from writing their evaluation reports? 03:06:18.060 --> 03:06:19.293 So that's the question. 03:06:20.840 --> 03:06:25.223 And the answer is, please read the draft. 03:06:26.910 --> 03:06:28.690 The second question is, 03:06:28.690 --> 03:06:30.250 are you considering a certification 03:06:30.250 --> 03:06:33.130 for independent evaluators or a mechanism to determine 03:06:33.130 --> 03:06:35.970 if the independent evaluator is qualified to perform 03:06:35.970 --> 03:06:40.453 a detailed evaluation of the POU Wildfire Mitigation Plan? 03:06:42.520 --> 03:06:45.310 Yeah, you know I'd heard some discussion of this as well 03:06:45.310 --> 03:06:50.100 in that there was some question as to the qualifications 03:06:50.100 --> 03:06:52.210 of those who were doing those reviews. 03:06:52.210 --> 03:06:54.600 We should discuss that as a board, 03:06:54.600 --> 03:06:57.210 as in the one hand, I don't wanna- 03:06:57.210 --> 03:06:58.710 And again, as was pointed out, 03:06:58.710 --> 03:07:01.106 our commentarian is not prescriptive, 03:07:01.106 --> 03:07:05.083 but we should discuss the implications of that further. 03:07:07.830 --> 03:07:08.850 Those are the two you got? 03:07:08.850 --> 03:07:10.033 I got one in chat. 03:07:11.770 --> 03:07:16.770 And the other email is directed to the board 03:07:17.000 --> 03:07:19.810 with regards to Southern California and the city. 03:07:19.810 --> 03:07:24.810 So I will hold back on this and we can respond to it 03:07:25.260 --> 03:07:27.033 at the appropriate time. 03:07:28.090 --> 03:07:28.923 All right. Okay, I'm done. 03:07:28.923 --> 03:07:33.370 I have a question in shots from a Ethan Philipmire, 03:07:34.570 --> 03:07:35.640 and the question is, 03:07:35.640 --> 03:07:38.610 will each POU be getting comments 03:07:38.610 --> 03:07:42.423 from the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board on their 2020 plan? 03:07:46.310 --> 03:07:49.870 It's something we have been discussing. 03:07:49.870 --> 03:07:52.000 And I think it's part of the interest behind 03:07:52.000 --> 03:07:53.350 looking for those issues 03:07:53.350 --> 03:07:57.821 so that we don't maybe make the same observation 50 times. 03:07:57.821 --> 03:08:02.680 So we could say that this is applicable to these 17 plans 03:08:02.680 --> 03:08:05.440 or Diane, do you remember more of the content 03:08:05.440 --> 03:08:07.130 that we were having when we were talking 03:08:07.130 --> 03:08:10.343 about individualized responses? 03:08:12.230 --> 03:08:13.063 Yes. 03:08:14.290 --> 03:08:19.290 First of all, we hear that there is an interest 03:08:21.000 --> 03:08:24.690 in perhaps having individual responses 03:08:24.690 --> 03:08:28.300 and we started down that path to be frank. 03:08:28.300 --> 03:08:31.502 And when we started on that path, 03:08:31.502 --> 03:08:32.691 when we got to the end of that path, 03:08:32.691 --> 03:08:36.340 we realized that these, the 2020 WMPs 03:08:37.720 --> 03:08:41.440 are really the first set that we're looking at. 03:08:41.440 --> 03:08:43.270 And we didn't, 03:08:43.270 --> 03:08:48.170 we hadn't established any evaluation standard eyes, 03:08:48.170 --> 03:08:53.170 evaluation criteria in the same way the IOUs had guidelines. 03:08:54.630 --> 03:08:58.360 So what we decided to do for this and we proposed, 03:08:58.360 --> 03:09:01.630 and we're hoping that this is again, 03:09:01.630 --> 03:09:04.760 the beginning of the conversation about it, 03:09:04.760 --> 03:09:08.540 that we are presenting our recommendations for format 03:09:08.540 --> 03:09:09.950 and content. 03:09:09.950 --> 03:09:13.350 And then in the subsequent years, 03:09:13.350 --> 03:09:17.310 we will be able to look at each individual plan 03:09:17.310 --> 03:09:22.310 and determine how it conforms with the guidelines 03:09:24.140 --> 03:09:25.573 that are established. 03:09:27.150 --> 03:09:29.260 So in short, not this run through, 03:09:29.260 --> 03:09:32.010 we're focusing on format and content, 03:09:32.010 --> 03:09:34.460 but ultimately it is in our interest. 03:09:34.460 --> 03:09:38.010 We found reading the 50 and just trying 03:09:38.010 --> 03:09:43.010 to answer the questions we reach a lot to be quite exciting. 03:09:43.210 --> 03:09:46.320 And so it is that we don't have enough time 03:09:46.320 --> 03:09:49.510 in this run through, I think, to do the specifics, 03:09:49.510 --> 03:09:52.100 but I would suggest that ultimately 03:09:52.980 --> 03:09:56.290 when we do some streamlining and it's easier to transition 03:09:56.290 --> 03:09:57.570 from one report to another, 03:09:57.570 --> 03:09:59.763 that we will lean more on specifics. 03:10:01.850 --> 03:10:04.740 And we don't have anybody, go ahead Diana. 03:10:04.740 --> 03:10:05.573 I was just saying 03:10:05.573 --> 03:10:09.300 and we welcome any ideas on how to do individual plans. 03:10:09.300 --> 03:10:13.840 Because we realized that each POU and co-op 03:10:13.840 --> 03:10:18.080 has to go to their own managers and governing boards 03:10:18.080 --> 03:10:19.460 to present their plans. 03:10:19.460 --> 03:10:23.263 So you might want an advisory opinion on those plans. 03:10:24.272 --> 03:10:25.672 And with respect to the IEs, 03:10:26.800 --> 03:10:30.300 there was a response to independent evaluation. 03:10:30.300 --> 03:10:34.460 We have some very specific thoughts about that, 03:10:34.460 --> 03:10:37.450 and it's in the report and we did see a lot of redundancy 03:10:37.450 --> 03:10:41.410 there and we want to figure out how to make it easier 03:10:41.410 --> 03:10:46.120 to get to the heart of the independent evaluation 03:10:46.120 --> 03:10:50.100 and perhaps make it even more economic 03:10:50.100 --> 03:10:51.743 and efficient for the POU. 03:10:54.579 --> 03:10:56.080 One of the points of confusion 03:10:56.080 --> 03:10:57.475 is that in some IE's reports, 03:10:57.475 --> 03:11:00.730 it says, well, this utility doesn't do this, 03:11:00.730 --> 03:11:02.760 but I know of four or five more than do. 03:11:02.760 --> 03:11:05.440 And then there were two pages of things. 03:11:05.440 --> 03:11:08.760 And so it was a little confusing for us to figure out 03:11:08.760 --> 03:11:13.097 what was applicable to whom with some of the efforts 03:11:14.010 --> 03:11:17.010 where the IEs were kind of putting a new name 03:11:17.010 --> 03:11:19.860 of a utility on it every time they issued it. 03:11:19.860 --> 03:11:22.740 So we'll have to talk through that. 03:11:22.740 --> 03:11:24.490 Okay, anything else from the board? 03:11:27.070 --> 03:11:27.903 All right. 03:11:27.903 --> 03:11:30.960 Hearing nothing, we've arrived at the end of the meeting. 03:11:30.960 --> 03:11:32.020 Things to expect, 03:11:32.020 --> 03:11:35.610 we'll be accepting public comment on these recommendations 03:11:35.610 --> 03:11:37.740 until Monday, November 30th. 03:11:37.740 --> 03:11:39.980 We need time to incorporate any comments, 03:11:39.980 --> 03:11:43.600 suggestions so that we may publish a draft to vote on. 03:11:43.600 --> 03:11:47.520 And given those requirements, I think it's 10 days, 15 days, 03:11:47.520 --> 03:11:50.080 I was forget we have to come out with it quite a way 03:11:50.080 --> 03:11:52.940 in advance prior to our next meeting, 03:11:52.940 --> 03:11:55.223 which is on December 9th. 03:11:56.670 --> 03:11:58.450 We will have a window again 03:11:58.450 --> 03:12:02.540 for the Innisfil Utility and Co-ops Associations 03:12:02.540 --> 03:12:06.150 and agencies to speak to the discussions 03:12:06.150 --> 03:12:08.800 they've had with their members and some of the direction 03:12:08.800 --> 03:12:11.230 or any suggestions you may have arisen. 03:12:11.230 --> 03:12:14.180 I will assume you will be more reprising 03:12:14.180 --> 03:12:15.130 some of the written material 03:12:15.130 --> 03:12:18.783 you hopefully would be providing us. 03:12:19.790 --> 03:12:24.480 And I ask the Vice-chair chair and the advisors, 03:12:24.480 --> 03:12:26.230 do we have any other announcements? 03:12:27.630 --> 03:12:29.063 None from the Vice-chair. 03:12:30.140 --> 03:12:32.160 Hi, this is Katherine. 03:12:32.160 --> 03:12:34.553 I just want one announcement. 03:12:36.025 --> 03:12:38.550 In the discussion about the BK groups 03:12:38.550 --> 03:12:43.520 and the grid recommendations, 03:12:43.520 --> 03:12:47.800 I just wanted to note that that was two separate groups. 03:12:47.800 --> 03:12:51.200 We didn't have four board members meeting. 03:12:51.200 --> 03:12:54.420 We had two separate groups on the same topic. 03:12:54.420 --> 03:12:55.460 Yeah, that's true. 03:12:55.460 --> 03:12:57.713 For those of you who go Bagley-Keene is what? 03:12:58.990 --> 03:13:00.790 How we have Brown Act limitations 03:13:00.790 --> 03:13:02.280 of who can talk to who? 03:13:02.280 --> 03:13:05.220 The state has these Bagley-Keene constraints. 03:13:05.220 --> 03:13:08.330 And so the board members cannot talk to each other, 03:13:08.330 --> 03:13:11.570 but we did have one member who wanted to upine individually, 03:13:11.570 --> 03:13:13.260 and that's why it was listed as four. 03:13:13.260 --> 03:13:16.320 It was not an intentional quorum discussing it. 03:13:16.320 --> 03:13:17.153 Anything else? 03:13:18.820 --> 03:13:19.653 All right. 03:13:19.653 --> 03:13:22.590 Thank you again for all of your work and time everyone. 03:13:22.590 --> 03:13:25.760 If the board members would stay on for a moment, 03:13:25.760 --> 03:13:27.460 we are now adjourned from the workshop. 03:13:27.460 --> 03:13:29.010 And again, thank you very much.