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Voting
meeting on this day,
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September 10th, 2020.
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I would now like to turn the
call over to President Batjer.
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Thank you, ma'am, you may begin.
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Thank you operator and
good morning, everyone.
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We need to first establish a quorum.
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Agenda clerk, can
you please call the roll.
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Commissioner Shiroma.
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Present.
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Commissioner (beep)
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Here.
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Commissioner Randolph.
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Here.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
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Present.
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President Batjer.
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Here.
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Thank you.
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We have established a quorum.
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Welcome to the California
public utilities Commission.
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I'm calling this meeting
of September 10th, 2020
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public agenda number 3470 to order.
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Due to the Coronavirus pandemic
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and the shelter in place order,
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we are conducting today's
business meeting online
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and by remote participation.
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The meeting is live streamed
on the CPUC's website.
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at ww.adminmonitor,
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Public engagement is
critical to the CPUC process.
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If you wish to make a public
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will take your name and
organization if appropriate.
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You will be called upon to speak
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when we get to the public
comment period in today's agenda.
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Okay, I would like to start
this meeting by recognizing
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that many of the people
we serve are emerging
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from the major, de-energization
events across the state
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due to extreme weather events.
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And many fellow
Californians are contending
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with the raging fires as we speak.
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Please know that we have
been monitoring these events
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and the utilities
actions for several days
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and have been in contact
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with local government representatives.
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In approximately 10 days,
we will have after action reports
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from the utilities, which
will give parties, the public
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and the CPUC, the
opportunity to fully assess
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their actions during
this difficult period.
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In addition, later in today's meeting,
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we will have reports and discussion
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with the three major electric utilities
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on their customer
outreach for these events.
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The Commission would
also like to thank Cal Fire
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and the many first responders
for the incredible work
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they have done and are doing
across the state to save lives,
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property and animals
from the dreadful wildfires
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we are experiencing.
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Now, I'd like to take a
moment to acknowledge
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the 10th anniversary of the
pipeline explosion in San Bruno,
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a tragedy that took eight lives,
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including the life of our
colleague, Jackie Greg,
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injured 58 people, destroyed
38 homes and damaged 70 more.
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As many are aware, an investigation
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conducted by the federal
regulators identified
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a number of elements that led
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to the Pacific gas and electric
PG&E's pipeline explosion,
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including falsified reports by PG&E
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and insufficient oversight by the CPUC.
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Since then, the CPUC
has taken a series of actions
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to hold PG&E accountable and
to improve our safety oversight
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all with the focus on
ensuring public safety
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in the immediate and longterm.
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And nearly 10 years since
the report, CPUC regulation
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and oversight has become more proactive
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through a multi-billion
dollar pipeline safety testing
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and replacement program.
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We've increased
staff citation authority,
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increased frequency of inspections,
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and more than tripled
our state, our staff of gas
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safety engineers.
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Our enhanced focus on safety
has been an ongoing effort
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and has involved the hard
work of our dedicated staff.
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Our improvements and advancements
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cannot right the wrongs of the past,
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it can help ensure the similar tragedies
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do not occur in the future.
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I also want to acknowledge
and thank Senator Hill
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for his leadership on this issue.
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Together, this Commission
and his office have worked
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as thought partners in holding the CPUC
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and PG&E accountable.
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These lessons have
and continue to guide us
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to develop stronger safety measures.
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Yesterday, we held an
event to remember the life
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of our colleagues and others
who lost their lives that day.
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And as we move forward,
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I assure you that the
CPUC will remain steadfast
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in its commitment to
fulfilling this mission
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of ensuring that safe,
clean, and affordable service
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is provided to the utility customers.
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I also want to take a
moment to report again,
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the results of the August
31st Commission meeting,
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pursuant to government code 11126.3F.
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The Commission took action
during its August 31st, 2020
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closed session to dismiss
the executive director,
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Alice Devins by a roll
call vote and reconvened
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in a public session and
reported out on August 31st, 2020.
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Pursuant to government code 11125.2,
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we are again, reporting today
that Ms. Devins was dismissed
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as executive director by the following
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roll call vote:
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Genovese Shiroma, yes.
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Martha Guzman Aceves, yes.
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Cliff Wrecks, yes.
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Glenn Randolph, yes.
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Marybel Batjer, yes.
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Rachel Peterson will be serving
as acting executive director
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of the CPUC.
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She joined the CPUYC in
2011, and most recently served
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as deputy executive
director for safety enforcement
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and policy.
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She also served as chief of staff
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to Commissioner Leanne Randall,
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and as an advisor to
previous Commissioners.
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Prior to serving as
deputy executive director,
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Rachel served as the acting director
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of the safety policy division.
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My fellow Commissioners
and I are grateful
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for and encouraged
by Rachael's willingness
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to serve in this role.
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Rachel is a proven policy
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and organizational management leader.
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We look forward to working with Rachel
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in leading the CPUC forward.
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I would also like to
take this opportunity
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to inform the public that
assistant chief administrative
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law judge, Michelle Cook will be serving
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as acting deputy executive director
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for the administrative
services division.
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We are thankful for
Michelle's leadership
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and effective management
over the last several weeks
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as she performed many of the duties
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of the executive director.
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She ensured the steady
flow of our operations,
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and we are fortunate that
she too has been willing
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to serve the Commission
so admirably and faithfully,
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and that we thank her for accepting
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yet another new assignment.
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Lastly, I'd like to acknowledge
the conservation efforts
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made by the Californians
this past weekend.
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At the end of last week
and into the weekend,
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the state experienced
another climate change
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fuel heat storm.
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This second prolong heat
storm within three weeks,
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again, required a collective effort
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to make the state's energy needs.
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The energy demand over the
weekend was record setting.
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This record demand combined
with the loss of some generators
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and transmission capacity
due to ongoing wildfires
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required many people
across the state to pull together
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to help avoid outages.
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Residents, turn the thermostats up,
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they did many other conservation efforts
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like not washing
their clothing or dishes
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during 3:00 p.m to 9:00 p.m,
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many businesses conserved
and let on backup power.
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The United States Navy
even told many of their ships
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off shore power.
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They help ensure the state
could ride out the event.
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Global warming and
these extreme heat events
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are coming out of staffs and furiously.
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The impacts of global warming are here
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and are happening now.
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We are adapting in real time
and we will continue to adapt
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our policies and programs
and work with other energy
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agencies to ensure
customers have reliable power
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in a climate changed world.
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On behalf of the CPUC
and the inter-agency effort,
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we have been a part of
deeply thank residential
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and industrial customers
for their conservation efforts
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last weekend in the midst of
the wildfires and the pandemic.
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I would also like to remind
the public that the CPUC
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is working with the California
independent system operator
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and the California energy Commission
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on a joint investigation,
into the root causes
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of the events of August 14th and 15th
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that we intend to deliver to
the Governor later this month.
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So with that, we will now
turn to public comment.
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If you wish to make a public comment
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and you have already
dialed into the public comment
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telephone line, please
press star one to get
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into the public comment to queue.
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CPUC ghouls do not allow
for parties in proceedings
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to speak about open proceedings.
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The public can make
comments addressing items
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on the regular agenda
and including items
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not on the agenda today.
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Please note that there
will not be public comment
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on items three, four, 14, and any item
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on the closed session agenda.
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Each member of the public
will have two minutes to speak.
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With that guidance in mind,
I welcome today's speakers
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and I will now turn to the operator
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to open the public comment line.
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Thank you, the
public comment line is now open.
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Our first speaker is
David McCord, a citizen.
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So you may go ahead.
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Hi, this is Dave McCord.
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I'm a rate payer in El Cerrito,
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and I want to ask to thank
staff for holding item 20
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on CCA payments and
financial security instruments
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through October eight.
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CCAs have been here
since 2010 and have proved
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to be solid financially
and to provide substantial
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local services.
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They maintain cash
reserves and their bond ratings
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are investment grade
while PG&E's is not.
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On micro grids and rulemaking in 1909009
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to facilitate their commercialization.
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Development of micro grids
should encourage the CCAs
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or local governments who are
closer to their disadvantaged
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and vulnerable communities
to take the lead on citing.
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And they must get the full
and quit cooperation of the IOUs
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to interconnect.
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We need to push the legislature
to allow interconnection
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of elements across streets.
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Rule 218 of the public utilities code
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now restrict cities in
making essential facilities
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and services resilient to power outages.
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As we're seeing climate
change is making this
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ever more essential
with tinder dry forests.
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Thank you.
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I'm done.
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Thank you, Mr. McCord.
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Operator, the next caller, please.
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Our next
caller is Senator Jerry Hill.
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Sir, you may go ahead.
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Well, good
morning, President Batjer
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and Commissioners.
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Thank you for this opportunity
to speak this morning
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and to remember the Californians,
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the members of my
community who died tragically
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10 years ago.
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I and in my community
are not alone in this grief.
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As you mentioned, a president of Batjer,
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the Commission lost Jackie
Gregg and her daughter,
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Janessa that day.
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Jackie had worked at the
Commission for 21 years,
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and I know she is still
fondly remembered
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by those that worked alongside of her.
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We also lost Lavonne
Bullish and Greg Bullish
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and Will Bullish, Jessica
Morales, Elizabeth Torres
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and James Franco.
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We vowed 10 years ago to never forget.
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And I called today to say their names
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and remember their family
and friends and our community.
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The explosion and the
corruption and criminality
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that was uncovered afterward did not,
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and does not define my community.
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Rather it's strengthened us.
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We follow never forget with never again.
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And I can't emphasize this enough,
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this drive to insuring a tragedy
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like the San Bruno explosion
never happens again
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was not mine alone or
not even mine to begin with.
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This drive came from
the citizens of San Bruno,
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the community who
elected me to serve them.
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The mayor, the council,
managers and attorneys
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who fought every day
on all fronts in the courts,
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at the Commission and in the legislature
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to ensure justice and dignity
for those eight lives lost
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and to secure a future
where no other community
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in California would face a similar fate.
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It was that drive from my constituents
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that motivated me every
day of my legislative career.
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And I know that it motivates many of you
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in your work at the
Commission every day,
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because you recognized
that lives on the line
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with each decision that you make.
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Hold that responsibility
with the humility
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and gravity it deserved.
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That is what we remember today.
00:15:48.170 --> 00:15:51.640
The eight lives lost 10
years ago and the charge
00:15:51.640 --> 00:15:54.820
to honor their lives
every day by your actions.
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Never forget and never again.
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Thank you, Madam president,
and thank you Commissioners
00:16:01.048 --> 00:16:01.960
for all of your hard dedicated work.
00:16:04.235 --> 00:16:07.460
Thank you so much, Senator
Hill for your remarkable work
00:16:07.460 --> 00:16:10.330
for your constituents and
for the state of California.
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We're honored by you calling today
00:16:13.500 --> 00:16:16.960
and thank you for remembering
the eight wonderful souls
00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.560
who lost their lives tragically.
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Thank you so much, Senator.
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Thank you, Madam president.
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(beep)
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Thank you.
00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:29.073
Bye bye.
00:16:32.012 --> 00:16:33.050
Operator, the
next caller please.
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Our next caller
is Laura Rosenberger
00:16:37.573 --> 00:16:39.134
Hyder, a rate payer.
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You may go ahead.
00:16:40.727 --> 00:16:42.693
Hi, I'm a
resident of Fresno.
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I'm opposing item 20,
decreasing the fees on CPAs.
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The CPA should be treated equal to IOUs
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and not pay excessive PCIA cost.
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Stop charging micro
grids and other customers
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the transmission access
charges when they don't use
00:16:57.690 --> 00:17:01.360
the transmission grid and
CCAs have demonstrated
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high economic and
environmental stewardship.
00:17:04.700 --> 00:17:08.280
They had greater than 98% reliability
00:17:08.280 --> 00:17:12.268
towards zero emission
micro grids that are available.
00:17:12.268 --> 00:17:17.240
And also my grids get
more renewable energy
00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.970
and potentially more
renewable backup on the grid.
00:17:20.970 --> 00:17:25.886
With incentives for pilot
studies and the exemption
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from departing load charges,
micro grids could be developed
00:17:29.387 --> 00:17:31.471
by disadvantage vulnerable communities
00:17:31.471 --> 00:17:35.160
and also the help of nearby CCAs.
00:17:36.266 --> 00:17:40.306
We need a modern grid, not
dangerous diesel generators.
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Important, the type
of micro grid projects
00:17:43.810 --> 00:17:46.651
pose the emissions benchmark limit.
00:17:46.651 --> 00:17:48.330
All right, thanks.
00:17:50.488 --> 00:17:52.201
I'm finished.
00:17:52.201 --> 00:17:54.226
Thank you, thank you very much.
00:17:54.226 --> 00:17:55.530
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:17:57.360 --> 00:18:00.740
Our next caller is
Jim Stewart, a rate payer.
00:18:00.740 --> 00:18:01.790
Sir you may go ahead.
00:18:04.286 --> 00:18:06.482
Hello, this is
Dr. Jim Stewart,
00:18:06.482 --> 00:18:07.315
an energy consultant.
00:18:07.315 --> 00:18:12.315
Thanks President Batjer for
recognizing the climate crisis.
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We are indeed in horrible
times, which will get worse,
00:18:18.910 --> 00:18:23.140
but we need to move
forward in spite of this
00:18:23.140 --> 00:18:27.408
and we need more renewable energy.
00:18:27.408 --> 00:18:28.980
We need more micro grids.
00:18:30.264 --> 00:18:35.264
The people of Calistoga and
Nevada City are much safer now
00:18:37.810 --> 00:18:41.740
because their key government
services have not been shut off
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in these power shut offS.
00:18:43.740 --> 00:18:47.690
And you can do this
throughout California
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by establishing some separate tariffs,
00:18:51.220 --> 00:18:54.670
maybe with sub tariffs that
can cover the more types
00:18:54.670 --> 00:18:59.670
of micro grids than the
narrowly staff focused proposal.
00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:04.140
We need to have these
micro grids enabled
00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:09.140
beyond just critical
facilities or high fire areas.
00:19:09.690 --> 00:19:14.230
And we can move off of
these diesel generators
00:19:14.230 --> 00:19:19.230
with the use of the batteries and solar.
00:19:21.660 --> 00:19:26.577
And all of this is made uneconomic
00:19:27.500 --> 00:19:32.250
by the fact that you
trudge the local sources
00:19:32.250 --> 00:19:34.190
transmission access charges,
00:19:34.190 --> 00:19:37.716
even though they don't
use the transmission.
00:19:37.716 --> 00:19:42.716
It's time for you to end this
inequity and enable people
00:19:42.820 --> 00:19:47.350
to install these kinds of
locally powered micro grids.
00:19:50.301 --> 00:19:54.567
We also want you to not
add more fees to CCAs.
00:19:55.900 --> 00:19:58.900
That item 20, I'm glad you postponed it.
00:19:58.900 --> 00:20:02.560
But the point is that
it's time for the CPUC
00:20:03.502 --> 00:20:08.502
to honor the CCA as
important partners to the IOUs
00:20:09.510 --> 00:20:12.890
and not punish them with more costs.
00:20:12.890 --> 00:20:13.723
Thank you.
00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:17.872
Thank you, Dr. Stewart.
00:20:17.872 --> 00:20:19.400
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:20:21.150 --> 00:20:24.120
Our next caller
is Glenn Prom, a citizen.
00:20:24.120 --> 00:20:25.220
Sir, you may go ahead.
00:20:27.140 --> 00:20:28.110
Good morning
Commissioners, can you hear me?
00:20:30.080 --> 00:20:30.913
Yes, we can.
00:20:32.161 --> 00:20:33.800
Okay, my comments
relate to item number 10
00:20:33.800 --> 00:20:37.330
on today's agenda
regarding timeline 6975.
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I wanted to voice my opposition
to the recommended action
00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:43.400
for two reasons, community
impact and public safety.
00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:46.139
When you travel the Palomar airport road
00:20:46.139 --> 00:20:48.140
in San Marcos Boulevard
corridor from interstate five
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to state highway 78,
this is the only stretch
00:20:51.943 --> 00:20:53.800
of above ground power
lines in that nine mile corridor.
00:20:53.800 --> 00:20:55.880
Replacing the existing
power lines with taller
00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:58.950
more congested poles will
adversely impact the aesthetics
00:20:58.950 --> 00:21:01.946
of this corridor and
reduce property values
00:21:01.946 --> 00:21:02.779
of the surrounding homes.
00:21:03.885 --> 00:21:05.110
Regarding public safety,
the staff report says
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there are no safety considerations
00:21:07.624 --> 00:21:08.910
associated with this decision.
00:21:08.910 --> 00:21:11.844
I think any citizens who
have lost their homes
00:21:11.844 --> 00:21:13.650
or loved ones to fires
caused by down power lines
00:21:13.650 --> 00:21:15.570
would disagree with that assessment.
00:21:15.570 --> 00:21:18.080
I know the residents in
the vicinity of this project
00:21:18.080 --> 00:21:20.160
don't agree with that assessment.
00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:23.620
Public safety power shutdowns
were instituted for a reason.
00:21:23.620 --> 00:21:26.370
Above ground power lines,
poses significant danger
00:21:26.370 --> 00:21:29.200
to the public during
certain weather conditions.
00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:32.110
I realized that undergrounding
all above ground power lines
00:21:32.110 --> 00:21:34.720
is neither practical nor affordable,
00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:36.810
but replacing an above ground power line
00:21:36.810 --> 00:21:39.910
with a new above ground
power line is foolish.
00:21:39.910 --> 00:21:42.460
In our society, this would
be called bad judgment.
00:21:42.460 --> 00:21:45.470
In the eyes of the law, this
would be called negligence.
00:21:45.470 --> 00:21:48.746
Let's learn from history,
let's learn from the fires
00:21:48.746 --> 00:21:49.950
we're experiencing across the state.
00:21:49.950 --> 00:21:53.344
Let's learn from the problems
Pacific gas and electric
00:21:53.344 --> 00:21:56.100
is facing due to their handling
of above ground power lines.
00:21:56.100 --> 00:21:59.240
Placing an item of such
importance and community sensitivity
00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:02.380
on a consent calendar is
dismissive and disrespectful
00:22:02.380 --> 00:22:04.630
to the community that
will be severely impacted
00:22:04.630 --> 00:22:06.180
by this project.
00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:10.050
Part of the CPUCS's mission
is to ensure the public safety
00:22:10.050 --> 00:22:11.190
is looked after.
00:22:11.190 --> 00:22:13.480
Please fulfill this aspect of your job.
00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:15.340
Don't approve this project.
00:22:15.340 --> 00:22:17.420
Require a full
environmental impact report
00:22:17.420 --> 00:22:19.360
and public safety review.
00:22:19.360 --> 00:22:22.190
Everybody thinks the systems
they've designed are safe
00:22:22.190 --> 00:22:24.250
until we learn the hard
way that they aren't.
00:22:24.250 --> 00:22:26.940
Thank you for your time and
please vote no on this item.
00:22:30.263 --> 00:22:31.360
Thank you very much.
00:22:31.360 --> 00:22:33.760
The next caller, please.
00:22:34.803 --> 00:22:36.440
Operator.
00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:39.110
Our next
caller is Tom Permosh,
00:22:40.222 --> 00:22:42.450
a Rancho Dorado homeowners association.
00:22:42.450 --> 00:22:43.550
Sir, you may go ahead.
00:22:45.120 --> 00:22:46.350
Hi, good morning
Commissioners.
00:22:46.350 --> 00:22:49.400
My name's Tom Permosh
and I live in the Rancho Dorado
00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:50.560
neighborhood.
00:22:50.560 --> 00:22:53.450
I'd like to adjust the
dress it agenda item 10.
00:22:54.361 --> 00:22:56.520
I think it's important for
you to realize how unified
00:22:56.520 --> 00:23:00.710
the Rancho Dorado and
San Elijo Hills communities are
00:23:00.710 --> 00:23:02.390
along with the city of San Marcos
00:23:03.387 --> 00:23:06.683
in requesting an environmental
impact report be conducted
00:23:06.683 --> 00:23:08.290
before granting SDGs request.
00:23:09.928 --> 00:23:12.721
Approximately 3000 families
live in our two communities.
00:23:12.721 --> 00:23:16.800
Our unity is the evidence
and the over 1500 comments
00:23:16.800 --> 00:23:21.320
submitted online, petition
submitted with 266 signatures
00:23:21.320 --> 00:23:23.840
requesting environmental impact report
00:23:23.840 --> 00:23:25.770
to explore alternatives, including
00:23:28.083 --> 00:23:29.125
a direct underground route
and 53 individuals who spoke
00:23:29.125 --> 00:23:34.030
at two public hearings
held in San Elijo Hills
00:23:34.030 --> 00:23:39.030
and the San Marco city hall
on office on April 30th, 2019.
00:23:39.330 --> 00:23:42.080
The record shows that the
clear consensus was a request
00:23:43.544 --> 00:23:47.310
to conduct an EIR before
SDG needs requests.
00:23:47.310 --> 00:23:51.150
Additionally, 15 public
agencies and officials utilities
00:23:51.150 --> 00:23:53.830
and interest groups,
including the city of San Marco,
00:23:54.684 --> 00:23:59.330
city of Carlsbad, as well as
the mayor and council member
00:23:59.330 --> 00:24:03.205
of San Marco's echo this
request to conduct an EIR.
00:24:03.205 --> 00:24:06.630
Our goal is simple, we want to
ensure that whatever decision
00:24:06.630 --> 00:24:10.290
is made, is made in the
best interest of the public,
00:24:10.290 --> 00:24:12.120
not just a small group of people.
00:24:12.120 --> 00:24:14.270
We're not asking the
project to be stopped,
00:24:14.270 --> 00:24:17.550
we are asking that given
the impact of our environment,
00:24:17.550 --> 00:24:20.890
such as the increased wildfire
risk that everyone agrees
00:24:20.890 --> 00:24:24.490
will result if the proposed
12 mile above ground route
00:24:24.490 --> 00:24:27.970
is approved, that a thorough
consideration of alternatives
00:24:27.970 --> 00:24:31.110
be considered by conducting an EIR.
00:24:31.110 --> 00:24:33.090
Even though we disagree
with the conclusion
00:24:33.090 --> 00:24:38.090
of the final M&D, that was
there were no significant impacts
00:24:38.930 --> 00:24:41.230
that cannot be mitigated, we all agree
00:24:41.230 --> 00:24:43.530
that this should not
eliminate the option
00:24:43.530 --> 00:24:48.530
of conducting an EIR,
not being required (beep)
00:24:48.885 --> 00:24:50.710
does not prevent you
from conducting an EIR.
00:24:50.710 --> 00:24:53.620
It's within your discretion
to mandate an EIR,
00:24:53.620 --> 00:24:56.745
which is what our community
and the city are asking you
00:24:56.745 --> 00:24:57.884
to do today.
00:24:57.884 --> 00:24:58.901
Thank you for your time.
00:24:58.901 --> 00:25:00.234
I appreciate it.
00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:02.440
Thank you for your call.
00:25:04.048 --> 00:25:05.310
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:25:07.645 --> 00:25:11.066
Our next caller is
Claire Broom, a rate payer.
00:25:11.066 --> 00:25:11.899
Ma'am, you may go ahead.
00:25:12.806 --> 00:25:15.180
Good morning,
President Batjer
00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:16.100
and Commissioners.
00:25:17.450 --> 00:25:19.309
I'm Dr. Claire Broom.
00:25:19.309 --> 00:25:23.403
Thank you for investigating
the outages and PSPSs.
00:25:24.626 --> 00:25:28.330
We need you to help prevent
them by rapidly increasing
00:25:28.330 --> 00:25:33.330
clean energy and storage
on the local distribution grid,
00:25:33.540 --> 00:25:37.030
behind the meter rooftop,
solar and micro grids,
00:25:37.030 --> 00:25:41.200
and in front of the meter,
medium scale solar plus storage.
00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:47.240
The IOUs ongoing campaign
alleges that rooftop solar
00:25:47.540 --> 00:25:48.520
is a cost shift.
00:25:50.049 --> 00:25:52.050
This is disinformation.
00:25:52.050 --> 00:25:55.510
The electric grid
intrinsically shifts costs,
00:25:55.510 --> 00:25:58.020
city dwellers subsidize rural dwellers,
00:25:58.020 --> 00:26:00.600
who couldn't pay the
full cost of serving them.
00:26:02.340 --> 00:26:07.340
AB 327, directed the
CPUC that total benefits
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:12.130
to all customers and
the electrical system
00:26:12.130 --> 00:26:15.280
are approximately
equal to the total cost.
00:26:17.110 --> 00:26:19.810
For you to balance
the cost and benefits,
00:26:19.810 --> 00:26:22.350
you need to quantify the benefits.
00:26:23.580 --> 00:26:27.100
Where is the societal cost test analysis
00:26:28.103 --> 00:26:31.667
with the benefits of rooftop
solar promised since 2015
00:26:32.860 --> 00:26:37.860
for the 2019 IRP, where are you counting
00:26:38.530 --> 00:26:42.164
the monetary resilience
benefits of micro grid?
00:26:42.164 --> 00:26:47.164
Why are the IOUs charging
transmission access charges
00:26:48.250 --> 00:26:52.070
for energy generated
on the distribution grid,
00:26:52.070 --> 00:26:54.370
which does not use long
distance transmission.
00:26:55.380 --> 00:26:58.090
Business as usual has not worked.
00:26:59.340 --> 00:27:02.180
Step back from the
stove pipe proceedings,
00:27:02.180 --> 00:27:05.020
and plan to accomplish
your real objectives
00:27:05.020 --> 00:27:06.420
for the state of California.
00:27:07.848 --> 00:27:09.320
Yes, partner with IOUs,
00:27:09.320 --> 00:27:12.170
but using performance based regulation,
00:27:12.170 --> 00:27:14.460
not investor driven regulation.
00:27:15.532 --> 00:27:19.160
Back to the public,
local government CCAs
00:27:20.334 --> 00:27:22.330
and environmental
groups, they're the ones
00:27:22.330 --> 00:27:25.670
who can partner with
you to solve this crisis now.
00:27:25.670 --> 00:27:26.730
Thank you very much.
00:27:30.750 --> 00:27:31.583
Thank you, Dr. Broom.
00:27:32.490 --> 00:27:33.630
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:27:35.370 --> 00:27:37.090
Our next
caller is Jennifer Tanner
00:27:37.090 --> 00:27:39.440
with Indivisible, California Green Team.
00:27:40.930 --> 00:27:43.078
You may go ahead.
00:27:43.078 --> 00:27:44.715
Can you hear me?
00:27:44.715 --> 00:27:45.548
Yes, we can.
00:27:45.548 --> 00:27:47.060
Thank you.
00:27:47.060 --> 00:27:50.253
President Batjer, thank you
very much for your comments
00:27:50.253 --> 00:27:51.260
and acknowledgement of climate change.
00:27:51.260 --> 00:27:54.537
I know your heart is in the
right place and thank you.
00:27:54.537 --> 00:27:57.190
A big group of us had a powerful meeting
00:27:58.258 --> 00:28:01.120
with Joshua Honeycutt
yesterday about micro grids.
00:28:01.120 --> 00:28:05.000
20 groups, 20 energy leaders
focused on the same issues,
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.770
micro grids to help solve the
wildfire and shut off problems
00:28:07.770 --> 00:28:08.603
of California.
00:28:09.450 --> 00:28:12.190
Joshua was clearly impressed
and said he had never seen
00:28:12.190 --> 00:28:15.490
such a group like this and so
well representing the issues.
00:28:15.490 --> 00:28:17.734
We could see how impressed he was.
00:28:17.734 --> 00:28:21.460
But then he said, but
it will take a long time,
00:28:21.460 --> 00:28:25.780
it's complicated and the
same old story from the CPUC.
00:28:25.780 --> 00:28:27.860
So captive to profit focused utilities
00:28:27.860 --> 00:28:30.680
rather than the
constituents of California.
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:32.850
Even when the right idea is present,
00:28:32.850 --> 00:28:34.335
the CPUC process makes
it very difficult to implement.
00:28:34.335 --> 00:28:38.900
California used to be
the fifth largest economy
00:28:38.900 --> 00:28:41.160
and I don't know where we are now.
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.886
Failing at PG&E was
treated as an emergency,
00:28:43.886 --> 00:28:46.660
but the real emergency facing California
00:28:46.660 --> 00:28:49.620
is not being treated
as an emergency at all.
00:28:49.620 --> 00:28:51.870
We should be creating
micro grids and terrace
00:28:52.912 --> 00:28:55.120
to promote micro grids
for safety and clean energy,
00:28:55.120 --> 00:28:56.410
not diesel generators.
00:28:57.850 --> 00:29:00.750
Bureaucratic excuses
old, and I'm tired of it.
00:29:00.750 --> 00:29:02.100
And so should we all be.
00:29:02.990 --> 00:29:06.640
We fought to have new
leadership after Michael Picker,
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:09.390
and there is now much
politeness and these open hearings,
00:29:09.390 --> 00:29:11.050
and that's really good.
00:29:11.050 --> 00:29:12.910
But there's no real meaningful change,
00:29:12.910 --> 00:29:14.490
just the same old excuses.
00:29:15.550 --> 00:29:18.200
California is losing its
climate leadership position.
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:20.740
Did you see the sky yesterday?
00:29:21.650 --> 00:29:24.450
The CPUC is basically
telling us, the public,
00:29:24.450 --> 00:29:27.170
we just need to deal
with fires and blackouts.
00:29:27.170 --> 00:29:29.430
Where is the bold vision for a new grid?
00:29:30.470 --> 00:29:33.090
We're a dinosaur and you
know what happens to them,
00:29:35.152 --> 00:29:37.550
they died from climate
crisis and inability to adapt.
00:29:37.550 --> 00:29:38.750
Thank you for listening.
00:29:41.320 --> 00:29:43.200
Thank you for your call.
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:44.900
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:29:46.580 --> 00:29:50.260
Our next caller
is Tad Sanders, a citizen.
00:29:50.260 --> 00:29:51.360
Sir, you may go ahead.
00:29:52.620 --> 00:29:54.140
Alright, thank you very much.
00:29:55.690 --> 00:29:58.350
My name's tad Sanders and
of course I'm also a rate payer.
00:29:58.350 --> 00:30:00.550
I live in Santa Rosa
near the Harville road,
00:30:02.052 --> 00:30:05.430
PG&E substation, which is
located in a tier two fire zone,
00:30:05.430 --> 00:30:07.720
which also burned in 2017.
00:30:08.790 --> 00:30:12.350
On June 18th of this
year, concerned citizens
00:30:12.350 --> 00:30:15.470
from our neighborhood net
with a PG&E senior manager,
00:30:15.470 --> 00:30:20.110
Joe Horak about 18 two
megawatt diesel generators
00:30:20.110 --> 00:30:23.200
being moved to the substation.
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:27.230
Because the sub station is
in an unsafe tier two fire zone,
00:30:27.230 --> 00:30:30.450
we were told that they would
be stored there temporarily,
00:30:30.450 --> 00:30:32.490
but wouldn't be directly powered there.
00:30:33.390 --> 00:30:36.560
It would be located in
Rincon Valley, tier one areas
00:30:36.560 --> 00:30:39.080
to provide smaller micro grids.
00:30:39.080 --> 00:30:42.293
By running underground
lines from the substation
00:30:42.293 --> 00:30:43.690
to the tier one areas.
00:30:43.690 --> 00:30:47.040
Due to fire danger, our tier
two area above Badger road
00:30:47.040 --> 00:30:50.040
would not have access to the
micro grids during PSPS events.
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:53.920
Within the last few
weeks, we noted that PG&E
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:55.920
connected the diesel generators directly
00:30:56.970 --> 00:30:58.209
to the Harville road substation.
00:30:58.209 --> 00:31:01.580
During the flex alert on the
afternoon of September 6th
00:31:01.580 --> 00:31:05.470
2020, they fired up all 18 generators.
00:31:05.470 --> 00:31:09.410
The noise and volume of
diesel emissions could be smelled
00:31:09.410 --> 00:31:10.960
a quarter mile away, I'm sorry,
00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:14.940
and the noise could
be heard half mile away.
00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:17.590
We spoke to Joe Horak and
learned that the generators
00:31:19.114 --> 00:31:20.890
were powering the Harville substation
00:31:20.890 --> 00:31:22.451
during rolling blackouts.
00:31:22.451 --> 00:31:24.710
Outside of the approved emergency use
00:31:24.710 --> 00:31:25.840
for a PSPS event.
00:31:27.989 --> 00:31:31.432
For more than 30 consecutive
hours, PG&E ran generators
00:31:31.432 --> 00:31:34.050
at the Harville substation
to power the grid.
00:31:34.050 --> 00:31:37.750
All Cal ISO simultaneously
declared no power outages
00:31:37.750 --> 00:31:38.583
in our area.
00:31:40.348 --> 00:31:42.611
Not only does this substation
sit a few hundred feet
00:31:42.611 --> 00:31:45.540
from residences that were
subjected to constant noise
00:31:45.540 --> 00:31:48.990
and toxic emissions, but it
is adjacent to brush Creek
00:31:48.990 --> 00:31:51.490
and on top of a zone one aquifer.
00:31:51.490 --> 00:31:54.280
The prospect of permanently
contaminating groundwater,
00:31:54.280 --> 00:31:56.980
electrical issues, not
just for our County,
00:31:56.980 --> 00:31:58.230
but for the entire state.
00:31:59.410 --> 00:32:01.380
Fire danger, environmental impact,
00:32:02.227 --> 00:32:06.668
groundwater contamination,
extreme noise and toxic emissions
00:32:06.668 --> 00:32:10.290
violating AB 25 88 or why
this location should not be used
00:32:10.290 --> 00:32:12.260
as a substation micro grid.
00:32:13.110 --> 00:32:14.310
Thank you for your time.
00:32:18.429 --> 00:32:19.262
Thank you for your call.
00:32:19.262 --> 00:32:20.940
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:32:23.851 --> 00:32:25.220
The next
caller is Elliott Baum,
00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:27.280
a San Marcos resident.
00:32:27.280 --> 00:32:28.380
Sir, you may go ahead.
00:32:29.760 --> 00:32:32.560
Thank you very much
committee in taking the time
00:32:32.560 --> 00:32:34.690
to hear all of our comments.
00:32:35.805 --> 00:32:40.805
I am a resident in San
Marcos and in the area
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:47.400
where you're timeline,
6975, which is agenda item 10
00:32:49.383 --> 00:32:52.310
will be or is being proposed.
00:32:53.380 --> 00:32:56.160
Myself, my neighbors, my community,
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:01.043
we're all asking for an EIR to be used
00:33:01.043 --> 00:33:03.880
and done for this project.
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:10.440
Since 2000, there's
been at least four fires
00:33:10.465 --> 00:33:15.465
in California of over
a million acres lost
00:33:15.660 --> 00:33:20.660
and specifically two in the
last five years in the area.
00:33:21.430 --> 00:33:26.430
And there's one currently in Alpine.
00:33:26.890 --> 00:33:31.890
So the concern of our
community is certainly life
00:33:32.258 --> 00:33:36.820
and making sure that all
things being considered,
00:33:36.820 --> 00:33:38.957
this is a highly congested area.
00:33:38.957 --> 00:33:43.620
Many residents, it'll be going through
00:33:43.620 --> 00:33:46.490
and affecting not only residents,
00:33:46.490 --> 00:33:51.050
but two local high schools,
San Marcos high school,
00:33:51.050 --> 00:33:52.880
High tech high.
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.730
I just think that there's too
many people and property
00:33:57.730 --> 00:34:00.601
in the way of this project
to go above ground.
00:34:00.601 --> 00:34:04.178
Our community has spoken to SPG&E
00:34:04.178 --> 00:34:09.178
as well as other community
leaders to come up with
00:34:09.424 --> 00:34:12.883
and fortunately have
several different options,
00:34:12.883 --> 00:34:17.104
underground being one
of them, alternate routes.
00:34:17.104 --> 00:34:22.104
Plus also too, I don't
think that the rise in solar
00:34:25.180 --> 00:34:27.039
has been accounted for.
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:32.039
Just in the last year alone,
10 of my closest neighbors
00:34:34.844 --> 00:34:36.383
in my community of Bruce,
I can see have added solar.
00:34:36.383 --> 00:34:41.062
So it doesn't seem like
that is also being taken
00:34:41.062 --> 00:34:46.062
into consideration toward
the amount of power
00:34:46.344 --> 00:34:48.242
that is proposed to
be needed for this area.
00:34:48.242 --> 00:34:52.930
So again, I thank you for your time
00:34:56.195 --> 00:34:57.280
and myself and my
community hope that you guys
00:34:58.155 --> 00:35:00.213
will consider an EIR in this matter.
00:35:00.213 --> 00:35:01.859
Thank you very much.
00:35:01.859 --> 00:35:02.770
Thank you for your call.
00:35:02.770 --> 00:35:05.019
Operator, next caller, please.
00:35:05.019 --> 00:35:07.236
Our next caller
is Katherine Erickson,
00:35:07.236 --> 00:35:09.710
a citizen.
00:35:09.710 --> 00:35:10.560
You may go ahead.
00:35:11.950 --> 00:35:13.240
Yes, please.
00:35:13.240 --> 00:35:16.940
Madam president, esteemed
CPU Commissioners.
00:35:16.940 --> 00:35:19.800
My name is Katherine
Erickson and I'm a resident
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.270
of the Rancho Dorado
community and San Marcos
00:35:23.270 --> 00:35:28.050
where the TL 6975 projects
for agenda item number 10
00:35:28.981 --> 00:35:31.720
is being proposed and
we realize you do not have
00:35:32.557 --> 00:35:35.170
to listen to us, but we
are asking for you to listen
00:35:35.170 --> 00:35:37.350
to the right data.
00:35:37.350 --> 00:35:39.890
The data that you've
been provided by the M&D
00:35:40.817 --> 00:35:42.500
is incorrect and subjective.
00:35:45.377 --> 00:35:46.700
We do not have the time to
provide details in this forum,
00:35:46.700 --> 00:35:48.634
but we can do it in a heartbeat.
00:35:48.634 --> 00:35:51.950
The CPUC has dismissed every valid fact
00:35:51.950 --> 00:35:53.800
that we have presented.
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.310
The contractors for hire do
not know our communities,
00:35:57.310 --> 00:36:00.440
do not frequent our
parks that are referenced
00:36:01.352 --> 00:36:02.936
in your report.
00:36:02.936 --> 00:36:05.980
We know them all, we
can provide the full picture.
00:36:06.895 --> 00:36:09.770
If your limited view of
the data says the glass
00:36:09.770 --> 00:36:12.290
is half full, then how
do we convince you
00:36:12.290 --> 00:36:13.580
that it is half empty?
00:36:14.470 --> 00:36:17.850
I have been working
in IT for over 35 years.
00:36:18.720 --> 00:36:22.430
My database has provide
valuable services for banking,
00:36:22.430 --> 00:36:24.660
health, insurance,
defense, manufacturing.
00:36:27.596 --> 00:36:29.192
If my database has
has incorrect information,
00:36:29.192 --> 00:36:32.050
a bank account might
show overdraft and it is not.
00:36:32.050 --> 00:36:36.130
People maybe denied health
insurance in dire circumstances.
00:36:36.130 --> 00:36:39.310
Government contracts and
circuit chips might malfunction
00:36:40.474 --> 00:36:43.278
causing computer outages
and military interruption.
00:36:43.278 --> 00:36:48.278
Accuracy is paramount in
proper functioning of society.
00:36:49.680 --> 00:36:53.710
Rubber stamping this project
now without requesting an EIR
00:36:55.654 --> 00:36:58.420
is akin to NASA sending
astronauts into space
00:36:58.420 --> 00:37:00.560
with incorrect launch data.
00:37:01.930 --> 00:37:05.570
Abraham Lincoln suffered
about a dozen major setbacks
00:37:05.570 --> 00:37:09.710
before finally achieving
his goal of president.
00:37:09.710 --> 00:37:13.550
None of his setbacks caused
negative ripples in communities
00:37:13.550 --> 00:37:15.550
that he never visited the way this does.
00:37:18.595 --> 00:37:20.860
Please perform due
diligence, get the full facts
00:37:20.860 --> 00:37:24.060
and stop the launch of this
unsafe failed rocket into space.
00:37:25.170 --> 00:37:26.670
Thank you so much.
00:37:27.950 --> 00:37:29.920
Thank you, Ms. Erickson.
00:37:31.554 --> 00:37:32.910
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:37:34.530 --> 00:37:37.330
Our next caller
is Bridget Palmer, a citizen.
00:37:37.330 --> 00:37:38.180
You may go ahead.
00:37:41.052 --> 00:37:42.210
Hello, thank
you so much for listening
00:37:42.210 --> 00:37:43.043
to our comments.
00:37:44.093 --> 00:37:45.556
It really makes me
feel good as a citizen
00:37:45.556 --> 00:37:47.760
to know that people in
your position are available
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:49.480
to listen and hear.
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.230
I also live in Santa Rosa, California
00:37:52.230 --> 00:37:56.030
in the same neighborhood that Tad does.
00:37:56.030 --> 00:38:00.000
And he stated it much more
detailed than I'm able to do,
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:03.133
but I wanted to chime in.
00:38:03.133 --> 00:38:07.270
It's very scary having all
those diesel generators
00:38:07.270 --> 00:38:09.440
right in the middle of our neighborhood.
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.270
And I personally feel betrayed by PG&E
00:38:12.270 --> 00:38:14.950
because when we had the
public meeting with them,
00:38:14.950 --> 00:38:17.970
they promised us that they
would not turn them all on
00:38:17.970 --> 00:38:21.210
in that one spot, right in the
middle of our neighborhood,
00:38:21.210 --> 00:38:24.100
unless there was a
very serious situation,
00:38:28.913 --> 00:38:29.746
which they probably
wouldn't even happen.
00:38:29.746 --> 00:38:31.816
But instead when there
wasn't any kind of a danger
00:38:31.816 --> 00:38:33.870
to the community,
they turned them all on,
00:38:33.870 --> 00:38:35.940
they didn't give us any warning.
00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:40.930
And I think Tad said
that there's people living
00:38:40.930 --> 00:38:42.180
a few hundred yards away,
00:38:43.135 --> 00:38:46.320
there's people living
like hundred feet away.
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.600
It's very, very loud.
00:38:48.600 --> 00:38:49.910
It resonates in a...
00:38:51.135 --> 00:38:52.272
We all live in a Valley.
00:38:52.272 --> 00:38:54.670
So if the sound is contained
in our valley and it echoes
00:38:54.670 --> 00:38:59.520
and there's the fume
and it's very disconcerting
00:38:59.520 --> 00:39:02.360
to have that happening when
we were basically promised
00:39:03.389 --> 00:39:04.389
it wouldn't.
00:39:06.268 --> 00:39:07.348
So now we don't know
what's gonna happen next.
00:39:07.348 --> 00:39:09.050
And I think that PG&E needs to be forced
00:39:11.272 --> 00:39:12.650
to be communicate better
and to keep their words,
00:39:12.650 --> 00:39:13.600
that sort of thing.
00:39:15.067 --> 00:39:17.067
Thank you for listening.
00:39:17.930 --> 00:39:18.790
Thank you, Ms. Palmer.
00:39:18.790 --> 00:39:20.700
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:39:23.492 --> 00:39:24.920
Our next
caller is Beverly Jackobee
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:26.850
with San Elijo hills community.
00:39:28.170 --> 00:39:29.670
Your line is open.
00:39:30.730 --> 00:39:32.321
Thank you Commissioners.
00:39:32.321 --> 00:39:37.321
In reference to TL 6975, I'd
like to present these remarks.
00:39:41.300 --> 00:39:44.308
I'm a homeowner and
resident in the area,
00:39:44.308 --> 00:39:48.330
which would be adversely
impacted by this SDG&E project
00:39:48.330 --> 00:39:50.880
at San Diego gas and
electric as you know.
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.490
I have lived at my current
address since 2002.
00:39:54.490 --> 00:39:57.810
When I moved here, there
were no nearby above ground
00:39:57.810 --> 00:40:00.530
power lines visible from my home.
00:40:00.530 --> 00:40:04.887
Since that time, the San
Diego gas and electric company
00:40:04.887 --> 00:40:07.560
installed a very large
power transmission pole,
00:40:07.560 --> 00:40:11.460
less than 100 feet from
the rear of my property.
00:40:11.460 --> 00:40:15.170
Now with the above referenced project,
00:40:16.140 --> 00:40:20.120
SDG&E would install another
above ground power line,
00:40:20.967 --> 00:40:24.450
parallel to the existing one
even closer to my home.
00:40:24.450 --> 00:40:26.930
I am objecting to this proposal
00:40:26.930 --> 00:40:29.130
for more than aesthetic reasons.
00:40:29.130 --> 00:40:32.310
One, the area in San
Marcos, where I live
00:40:32.310 --> 00:40:34.640
is in a high fire danger zone.
00:40:36.408 --> 00:40:38.530
In the 18 years, my family
and I have lived here,
00:40:38.530 --> 00:40:42.460
we have been evacuated
several times due to brush fires,
00:40:42.460 --> 00:40:45.210
which ultimately consumed nearby houses.
00:40:46.110 --> 00:40:49.540
California exists in a
year round fire season.
00:40:49.540 --> 00:40:52.370
The wildfires that
destroyed entire communities
00:40:53.272 --> 00:40:55.390
will come again.
00:40:55.390 --> 00:40:58.792
The above ground power
lines have been cited
00:40:58.792 --> 00:41:01.390
by fire authorities as
contributing to the fires
00:41:02.587 --> 00:41:03.709
up and down the state.
00:41:03.709 --> 00:41:08.709
Such as happened in
paradise California last year.
00:41:08.850 --> 00:41:13.850
If as some will argue,
burying power lines
00:41:15.168 --> 00:41:17.270
would be too costly
for the utility companies,
00:41:17.270 --> 00:41:22.210
consider the costs of lives
and property every fire season.
00:41:22.210 --> 00:41:26.890
This SDG&E project will
effectively double the fire risk
00:41:26.890 --> 00:41:27.940
in our neighborhoods.
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.090
I believe there are
other transmission routes
00:41:32.346 --> 00:41:35.770
available in this area which
do abut existing neighborhoods
00:41:35.770 --> 00:41:40.010
and that SDG&E has an
obligation to seriously consider them.
00:41:41.050 --> 00:41:44.590
Secondly, on a personal
note, I have had occasion
00:41:44.590 --> 00:41:47.827
to have my home appraised as of the date
00:41:47.827 --> 00:41:49.850
of my husband's death in 2018.
00:41:49.850 --> 00:41:53.649
The appraisal deemed the
existing power transmission pole
00:41:53.649 --> 00:41:55.680
directly behind my
house lessen the value
00:41:55.680 --> 00:41:58.090
by at least $50,000.
00:41:58.090 --> 00:42:00.870
But another adjacent power
line would do to the value
00:42:00.870 --> 00:42:03.710
of my home and that of
my neighbors is unknown,
00:42:04.685 --> 00:42:06.120
but sure to be extremely negative.
00:42:06.120 --> 00:42:07.320
Thank you for listening.
00:42:10.588 --> 00:42:11.421
Thank you for your call.
00:42:12.870 --> 00:42:13.703
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:42:15.120 --> 00:42:17.600
Our next caller
is Rosemary Panther.
00:42:17.600 --> 00:42:18.910
San Elijo residents.
00:42:20.668 --> 00:42:22.560
You may go ahead.
00:42:22.560 --> 00:42:24.780
I am
interested in item 10.
00:42:26.047 --> 00:42:27.680
I'm voicing my opposition.
00:42:27.680 --> 00:42:31.990
I am asking for a full
environmental impact report.
00:42:32.908 --> 00:42:37.007
We're watching the two
million acres destroyed
00:42:37.007 --> 00:42:38.370
in California this day.
00:42:38.370 --> 00:42:42.020
San Elijo Hills is called
a cul-de-sac community.
00:42:42.020 --> 00:42:47.020
All the subdivisions lead
one way in, and one way out.
00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:53.307
They're ending.
00:42:53.307 --> 00:42:55.008
We happen to have only
three roads that lead in
00:42:55.008 --> 00:42:56.361
and out of San Elijo Hills.
00:42:56.361 --> 00:43:00.580
San Elijo road comes in,
double thousand Oaks goes over
00:43:00.580 --> 00:43:04.660
and we have one going East to Escondido.
00:43:05.680 --> 00:43:10.680
We have 4,279 children that
go to school in our elementary,
00:43:12.307 --> 00:43:14.940
two elementary schools
and one middle school.
00:43:16.208 --> 00:43:20.230
They have a stay in place order.
00:43:20.230 --> 00:43:23.690
They cannot escape or leave their school
00:43:24.526 --> 00:43:26.640
without being picked up
by a guardian or a parent.
00:43:27.930 --> 00:43:31.993
During the Coco's fire in
2014, Thousand Oaks road
00:43:35.306 --> 00:43:36.966
was closed off.
00:43:36.966 --> 00:43:41.900
That gave us one, two
lane road going in and out
00:43:41.900 --> 00:43:46.320
towards Escondido, which
also had a fire by the way.
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:48.640
We could not exit that way.
00:43:48.640 --> 00:43:53.640
This community of 8,000 or
more people could only go out
00:43:54.740 --> 00:43:55.770
San Elijo road.
00:43:57.547 --> 00:44:02.547
There are four lanes, two
lanes going out, two coming in.
00:44:04.472 --> 00:44:06.030
We could only go out two lanes.
00:44:07.468 --> 00:44:11.040
If you can imagine
the fear that we all had
00:44:11.040 --> 00:44:15.500
trying to get out of this
hilly area with no exits.
00:44:16.849 --> 00:44:20.400
It was very fearful.
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.740
All I can say to you is
this is a very dangerous
00:44:25.746 --> 00:44:27.140
fire situation for our community.
00:44:27.140 --> 00:44:30.891
And I beg you to please reconsider.
00:44:30.891 --> 00:44:34.260
Get an environmental
report done for this
00:44:35.848 --> 00:44:39.640
and don't vote this in
for SDG&E, it is not right.
00:44:39.640 --> 00:44:43.500
There is a wire that goes
across San Elijo road.
00:44:44.506 --> 00:44:48.310
If that wire had fallen, we
would have had no way out.
00:44:49.863 --> 00:44:53.070
I beg you, please
consider this community.
00:44:53.070 --> 00:44:54.680
Thank you.
00:44:54.680 --> 00:44:55.513
Thank you.
00:44:57.324 --> 00:44:58.720
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:45:01.129 --> 00:45:03.347
Our next caller
is Christine Kirshbaum,
00:45:03.347 --> 00:45:04.697
a San Elijo Hills neighbor.
00:45:06.124 --> 00:45:08.287
You may go ahead.
00:45:08.287 --> 00:45:09.700
Hello, I'm
kissing Kirshbaum.
00:45:09.700 --> 00:45:12.230
I live in the San Elijo Hills community,
00:45:12.230 --> 00:45:15.250
just like Rosemary
and I'm just so moved,
00:45:15.250 --> 00:45:18.990
I'm calling in same as to
address agenda item number 10.
00:45:20.071 --> 00:45:21.487
I'm just so moved by what she just said.
00:45:21.487 --> 00:45:24.640
And the five of you must
be sitting there listening to us
00:45:25.487 --> 00:45:27.147
on the call saying this is all true.
00:45:27.147 --> 00:45:30.920
But there are this many
false, why did they not present
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:32.969
this information earlier?
00:45:32.969 --> 00:45:34.819
That I'm just as strict as addressing
00:45:35.747 --> 00:45:36.580
the aesthetics analysis.
00:45:36.580 --> 00:45:39.390
The truth of is we address a lot of that
00:45:39.390 --> 00:45:41.760
and the rest you has continued to learn
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:43.690
as this process has proceeded.
00:45:43.690 --> 00:45:45.820
The bottom line is
we lack the resources,
00:45:46.687 --> 00:45:49.537
we're ordinary rate payers
who don't have full time staff
00:45:50.651 --> 00:45:52.312
and expert consultants
available to conduct
00:45:52.312 --> 00:45:56.610
an in depth analysis of over
8,000 pages made available
00:45:57.588 --> 00:45:59.255
in this proceedings.
00:46:00.450 --> 00:46:01.821
We have found and continue
to find these discrepancy
00:46:01.821 --> 00:46:03.786
and more disturbing
facts over the course
00:46:03.786 --> 00:46:04.619
of the last two years.
00:46:04.619 --> 00:46:06.890
It is a hope that the
five of you will see that
00:46:06.890 --> 00:46:10.760
just based only on what we
revealed that looking closely
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:12.660
at the aesthetics analysis.
00:46:12.660 --> 00:46:16.340
You will see, you will not
allow this project to go forward
00:46:16.340 --> 00:46:20.600
before considering possible
period all done this route.
00:46:20.600 --> 00:46:22.150
We would not speaking to you today
00:46:22.150 --> 00:46:25.446
if the most obvious era of
this report to people who live
00:46:25.446 --> 00:46:28.706
in the area of the project,
leaving out Simmons family part
00:46:28.706 --> 00:46:32.040
of the initial MND had not been made.
00:46:32.040 --> 00:46:35.020
The submission was screaming out to us.
00:46:35.020 --> 00:46:37.630
We were asking how
could this have happened.
00:46:37.630 --> 00:46:40.200
But it did happen and here we are today.
00:46:40.200 --> 00:46:42.830
And to what we see
the lack of credibility
00:46:42.830 --> 00:46:46.780
in initial and final MND,
the wildfire potential risk
00:46:46.780 --> 00:46:50.420
in this area were 80% of
12 miles above ground lines
00:46:50.420 --> 00:46:53.427
will be traversing through
the highest basis zones
00:46:53.427 --> 00:46:54.808
of Cal Fire.
00:46:54.808 --> 00:46:56.923
But the fact that all parties agree,
00:46:56.923 --> 00:46:58.570
the safer alternative
they'll go underground.
00:46:58.570 --> 00:47:00.710
And why would that
alternatives not at least
00:47:00.710 --> 00:47:03.750
be thoroughly evaluated
before making this decision
00:47:03.750 --> 00:47:06.370
that will impact the safety
of 10 thousands of people
00:47:06.370 --> 00:47:07.890
for generations to come.
00:47:09.010 --> 00:47:12.080
My brother in law
use to live in paradise.
00:47:12.080 --> 00:47:13.130
Oh, I guess I'm done.
00:47:14.348 --> 00:47:16.347
He lost his home and it's terrible.
00:47:16.347 --> 00:47:17.180
He's still in depression.
00:47:17.180 --> 00:47:19.950
And it would be awful to
have said this would happen
00:47:19.950 --> 00:47:22.950
to this community if we
cannot learn from the mistakes
00:47:22.950 --> 00:47:24.810
that happened in paradise.
00:47:24.810 --> 00:47:25.643
Thank you.
00:47:26.570 --> 00:47:27.403
Thank you.
00:47:28.590 --> 00:47:30.290
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.620
Our next
is kayle Seymour,
00:47:34.620 --> 00:47:36.580
a Rancho Dorado resident.
00:47:36.580 --> 00:47:37.680
Sir, you may go ahead.
00:47:39.050 --> 00:47:41.990
Yes, good morning to
the CPUC Commissioners.
00:47:41.990 --> 00:47:43.600
My name is Kayle Seymour, the home owner
00:47:43.600 --> 00:47:46.490
here in Rancho Dorado,
addressing item number 10.
00:47:46.490 --> 00:47:49.666
We're asking at the
very least that we simply,
00:47:49.666 --> 00:47:51.688
this is reiterating what
everybody's been talking about
00:47:51.688 --> 00:47:54.580
this morning to have a full
EIR environmental impact report
00:47:54.580 --> 00:47:57.080
performed for researching alternatives,
00:47:58.006 --> 00:47:59.940
like moving this power
line project underground
00:47:59.940 --> 00:48:02.686
or so that it passes along the
public thoroughfare roadways
00:48:02.686 --> 00:48:05.030
around our neighborhood
instead of through it.
00:48:05.030 --> 00:48:07.610
It's an already known fire prone area.
00:48:07.610 --> 00:48:10.290
It's much safer to have
power lines above pavement
00:48:10.290 --> 00:48:13.051
and concrete sidewalks
along these public roads
00:48:13.051 --> 00:48:14.360
versus the known fire risk areas,
00:48:15.269 --> 00:48:16.450
which include the
natural areas of Carlsbad.
00:48:16.450 --> 00:48:19.771
These natural areas that
extend through our neighborhood
00:48:19.771 --> 00:48:21.960
and westward to El Camino
real are massive natural areas
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.870
that are not allowed to
be cleared for the purposes
00:48:24.870 --> 00:48:27.800
of fire mitigation and already
burned back in may of 2014.
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:29.240
These power lines will pass once again,
00:48:29.240 --> 00:48:31.210
over these tender boxes
and increase the fire threat
00:48:31.210 --> 00:48:33.473
to our neighborhood and
surrounding neighborhoods.
00:48:33.473 --> 00:48:37.020
During these fires last year
that I just mentioned 2014,
00:48:37.020 --> 00:48:38.670
my family and I had evacuated our home
00:48:38.670 --> 00:48:40.613
and we met the same gridlock.
00:48:40.613 --> 00:48:42.140
They were talking about really
at Rancho Santa Fe Melrose
00:48:42.140 --> 00:48:43.860
less than a half a mile from our home.
00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:45.873
In order to escape the smoke,
00:48:45.873 --> 00:48:47.933
we ended up going through a
blockade that was abandoned,
00:48:47.933 --> 00:48:50.420
but not had been taken down,
but it was no longer manned.
00:48:50.420 --> 00:48:53.332
So we were able to get to
safety through that route,
00:48:53.332 --> 00:48:55.613
but would have succumb
to the smoke and flames
00:48:55.613 --> 00:48:57.533
and hundreds of others
stuck in the gridlock,
00:48:57.533 --> 00:49:01.360
had the fires moved
eastward through San Elijo.
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.651
Rancher gratis recently been included
00:49:03.651 --> 00:49:04.484
in high risk fire zone.
00:49:04.484 --> 00:49:06.830
And not only have some
insurance company canceled
00:49:06.830 --> 00:49:08.270
home insurance in our neighborhood,
00:49:08.270 --> 00:49:09.660
others refuse to insure us.
00:49:10.692 --> 00:49:12.950
My home insurance personally,
my home insurance has doubled
00:49:12.950 --> 00:49:14.530
in the last three and half years.
00:49:14.530 --> 00:49:17.850
It's increased from 1,138 to $2,247.
00:49:17.850 --> 00:49:19.296
So I ask you please, to have
this alternative looked into
00:49:19.296 --> 00:49:22.425
so we can have the research done.
00:49:22.425 --> 00:49:24.532
Why should our
neighborhood be the subject
00:49:24.532 --> 00:49:26.651
of hundreds of thousand
dollars in reduced property value
00:49:26.651 --> 00:49:29.031
with these additional
power lines through them
00:49:29.031 --> 00:49:31.073
to subsidize a project that
could otherwise be done
00:49:31.073 --> 00:49:36.073
another way when it could
be shared and amortized
00:49:39.835 --> 00:49:42.280
over the entire usage of
the SDG&E power users.
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:43.480
Thank you for your time.
00:49:46.510 --> 00:49:47.590
Caller, thank you.
00:49:49.017 --> 00:49:50.717
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:49:53.319 --> 00:49:54.870
Our next
caller is Victoria Cromer,
00:49:54.870 --> 00:49:58.021
a San Elijo Hills resident,
you may go ahead.
00:49:58.021 --> 00:49:59.704
Hi, my name is Vicki Cromer
00:49:59.704 --> 00:50:02.601
and I'm opposed to agenda
number 10, the SDG&E
00:50:02.601 --> 00:50:06.019
additional power lines in San Marcos.
00:50:06.019 --> 00:50:07.677
My husband and I were
one of the first families
00:50:07.677 --> 00:50:10.400
to live in highly populated
San Elijo Hills since June.
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.183
Oh my phone's dying.
00:50:13.183 --> 00:50:16.962
Oh, no, come on phone.
00:50:16.962 --> 00:50:18.910
Hold on a second.
00:50:18.910 --> 00:50:19.743
I'm sorry.
00:50:19.743 --> 00:50:21.264
Since June, 2001, and we look out
00:50:21.264 --> 00:50:22.785
over the existing power lines.
00:50:22.785 --> 00:50:25.180
We are shocked to learn that SDG&E
00:50:26.796 --> 00:50:27.629
is proposing additional line.
00:50:27.629 --> 00:50:29.260
The power lines, lower property values,
00:50:29.260 --> 00:50:31.470
and ruin the beautiful Valley views.
00:50:31.470 --> 00:50:34.860
In 1996, five years
before San Elijo was built,
00:50:34.860 --> 00:50:38.081
parts of the Elephant
forest, Encinitas, Carlsbad
00:50:38.081 --> 00:50:39.330
and Lake San Marcos were destroyed
00:50:39.330 --> 00:50:41.105
in the huge harmony Grove fire.
00:50:41.105 --> 00:50:44.776
Of the 8,600 acres
that burned nearly 50%
00:50:44.776 --> 00:50:47.790
was where San Elijo Hills now stands.
00:50:48.701 --> 00:50:51.403
This Valley has been
identified by Cal Fire
00:50:51.403 --> 00:50:53.643
as part of the fire
hazard severity zones.
00:50:53.643 --> 00:50:55.440
Since we moved in, we've
been evacuated three times.
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:59.120
In 2014, the Coco's fire
was just over the ridge
00:50:59.120 --> 00:51:02.050
and we were evacuated,
we sat for over an hour
00:51:02.050 --> 00:51:04.390
in bumper to bumper
traffic on San Elijo road,
00:51:05.327 --> 00:51:06.580
the main road in and out.
00:51:06.580 --> 00:51:11.423
If the winds changed, hundreds of people
00:51:12.640 --> 00:51:14.500
would have been trapped in their cars.
00:51:15.788 --> 00:51:17.288
It was terrifying.
00:51:18.284 --> 00:51:19.863
Thousands of families in three schools
00:51:19.863 --> 00:51:21.322
are in San Elijo Hills.
00:51:21.322 --> 00:51:23.100
This year wildfires that burned over.
00:51:23.100 --> 00:51:26.440
I'm sorry, it's really an
emotional thing for me.
00:51:27.859 --> 00:51:30.350
And a lot of people were scared.
00:51:31.250 --> 00:51:34.730
This year wildfires and
burned 2.5 million acres
00:51:35.705 --> 00:51:36.660
in California.
00:51:36.660 --> 00:51:40.370
There've been eight fatalities
and over 3,700 structures
00:51:40.370 --> 00:51:43.630
destroyed, two of the three
largest fires in California
00:51:43.630 --> 00:51:46.966
history are currently
burning and we were not even
00:51:46.966 --> 00:51:47.799
in fire season yet.
00:51:47.799 --> 00:51:50.430
Say high temperatures and
drying over seasons and years
00:51:50.430 --> 00:51:53.640
and with global warming,
the fires will only increase.
00:51:53.640 --> 00:51:55.280
We are living in a tinderbox.
00:51:56.200 --> 00:51:58.550
It's been proven that
power line to cause fires
00:51:59.441 --> 00:52:01.247
where people have lost
their lives and property.
00:52:01.247 --> 00:52:04.143
(beep) to do the right thing
00:52:04.143 --> 00:52:06.580
and force the SDG&E
to bury the power lines,
00:52:06.580 --> 00:52:08.126
all power lines.
00:52:08.126 --> 00:52:11.840
People have lost faith in
government and large corporations
00:52:12.781 --> 00:52:15.580
like SDG&E and they
won't do the right thing
00:52:15.580 --> 00:52:18.784
on their own, so you
need to do it for them.
00:52:18.784 --> 00:52:22.441
Avoid a tragedy, (beep)
00:52:22.441 --> 00:52:23.290
request for more power line.
00:52:24.368 --> 00:52:26.185
At least cough were an EIR.
00:52:26.185 --> 00:52:28.185
Thank you for your time.
00:52:29.325 --> 00:52:30.442
Thank you caller.
00:52:30.442 --> 00:52:31.867
I appreciate very much your emotion.
00:52:31.867 --> 00:52:35.120
Operator, the next caller please.
00:52:38.886 --> 00:52:40.200
Our next
caller is Dr. Jason Curry,
00:52:40.200 --> 00:52:42.090
a Rancho Dorado resident.
00:52:42.090 --> 00:52:43.190
Sir, you may go ahead.
00:52:44.620 --> 00:52:46.830
Well, good morning,
president and Commissioners.
00:52:47.822 --> 00:52:49.208
My name is Dr. Jason Curry.
00:52:49.208 --> 00:52:50.960
I'm a physician and a
homeowner in the Rancho Dorado
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.398
neighborhood which is located
in North County, San Diego.
00:52:54.398 --> 00:52:58.560
I am also calling about
agenda item number 10.
00:52:58.560 --> 00:53:01.706
Today, you're hearing
from several of our residents
00:53:01.706 --> 00:53:03.210
in our community who
strongly oppose this plan
00:53:03.210 --> 00:53:06.610
by SDG&E to build new power
lines through our community.
00:53:06.610 --> 00:53:10.500
I would like to emphasize it
that these transmission lines
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:12.260
are not just going along a highway,
00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:14.842
these lines are being placed directly
00:53:14.842 --> 00:53:16.340
through our neighborhoods
next to our homes.
00:53:16.340 --> 00:53:18.520
Numerous concerns are being shared today
00:53:19.405 --> 00:53:21.662
regarding the property value
impact in the wildfire risk.
00:53:21.662 --> 00:53:26.040
There are several viable
alternatives to this plan,
00:53:26.940 --> 00:53:28.980
but such as undergrounding,
but due to the increase costs,
00:53:28.980 --> 00:53:30.280
they have rolled this out.
00:53:31.270 --> 00:53:34.470
I'm calling today to
emphasize one major point.
00:53:34.470 --> 00:53:38.190
And that is the aesthetic
impact of the new lines,
00:53:38.190 --> 00:53:40.340
which is indeed a significant impact.
00:53:40.340 --> 00:53:42.550
And therefore it should
automatically trigger
00:53:42.550 --> 00:53:44.360
environmental impact report.
00:53:45.300 --> 00:53:48.023
And the initial and the final MND,
00:53:48.023 --> 00:53:51.560
the aesthetics impact
analysis is severely flawed.
00:53:51.560 --> 00:53:54.430
And the initial MND, Simmons family park
00:53:55.802 --> 00:53:57.790
was completely omitted
from this analysis.
00:53:57.790 --> 00:54:00.380
Simmons family park
is the only public park
00:54:00.380 --> 00:54:03.302
along the 12 mile proposed
route of this new power line.
00:54:03.302 --> 00:54:06.350
The park is situated
at the top of a Hill
00:54:06.350 --> 00:54:07.350
in our neighborhood.
00:54:08.527 --> 00:54:10.820
After the public expressed
outrage over this emission,
00:54:10.820 --> 00:54:13.550
the park was included in the final MND.
00:54:13.550 --> 00:54:16.910
However, the photograph of the park
00:54:16.910 --> 00:54:18.570
that was used in the final analysis
00:54:18.570 --> 00:54:21.907
to make that the
conclusion of aesthetics
00:54:21.907 --> 00:54:23.907
were only a less than significant impact
00:54:24.787 --> 00:54:26.970
was taken facing the southward direction
00:54:26.970 --> 00:54:28.100
away from the ocean.
00:54:29.020 --> 00:54:32.820
I have to strongly note that
the choice of both the position
00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:35.468
and the camera
direction of the photograph
00:54:35.468 --> 00:54:36.468
was chosen by SDG&E.
00:54:37.767 --> 00:54:40.025
This is a direct conflict of interest.
00:54:40.025 --> 00:54:43.104
If the photograph taken
with position facing westward,
00:54:43.104 --> 00:54:46.390
then there would be an
ocean view in that picture,
00:54:46.390 --> 00:54:48.790
and then the aesthetic impact undeniably
00:54:48.790 --> 00:54:50.680
be a significant impact,
which should trigger
00:54:50.680 --> 00:54:52.630
an automatic EIR.
00:54:52.630 --> 00:54:55.282
My fellow neighbors are gonna be calling
00:54:55.282 --> 00:54:57.320
with further facts and
substantial evidence to support
00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.710
a point that we plead with you
00:54:59.710 --> 00:55:01.740
to have an environmental impact review.
00:55:01.740 --> 00:55:03.340
Thank you so much for your time.
00:55:06.223 --> 00:55:07.644
Thank you for your call.
00:55:07.644 --> 00:55:08.920
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:55:11.550 --> 00:55:14.342
Our next
caller is Peter Frye,
00:55:14.342 --> 00:55:15.592
a Rancho Dorado resident.
00:55:16.625 --> 00:55:18.605
Sir, you may go ahead.
00:55:18.605 --> 00:55:19.743
Yes, good morning
00:55:19.743 --> 00:55:20.965
and thank you for your time today.
00:55:20.965 --> 00:55:22.088
And my name is Peter Frye.
00:55:22.088 --> 00:55:23.100
I am a resident here in Rancho Dorado
00:55:23.100 --> 00:55:25.600
where I've lived for the last 16 years.
00:55:25.600 --> 00:55:27.890
I'm calling regarding agenda number 10
00:55:27.890 --> 00:55:30.210
regarding the above
line power lines proposed
00:55:30.210 --> 00:55:34.145
to impact those San Marcos
and San Elijo communities.
00:55:34.145 --> 00:55:36.810
The residents of both
San Marcos and San Elijo
00:55:36.810 --> 00:55:39.180
provided over 1500 public comments
00:55:39.180 --> 00:55:41.870
condemning this above
ground power line expansion
00:55:41.870 --> 00:55:46.220
for a variety of reasons,
including safety of property lies,
00:55:46.220 --> 00:55:49.340
environmental issues,
aesthetics, financial impact
00:55:49.340 --> 00:55:50.810
to property values.
00:55:50.810 --> 00:55:53.310
I'd like to discuss a specific impact
00:55:53.310 --> 00:55:55.170
as it relates to property values.
00:55:56.010 --> 00:55:59.040
The property right next to the
power lines on coast Avenue,
00:55:59.040 --> 00:56:03.390
2166 coast recently sold for $960,500
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.460
after being on the
market for over two years,
00:56:09.450 --> 00:56:12.250
this home does have an
ocean view as well as a view
00:56:12.250 --> 00:56:16.010
of the existing hundred
20 foot steel power line.
00:56:16.930 --> 00:56:20.810
This was a significant
reduction in terms of its value
00:56:20.810 --> 00:56:24.740
as compared to a similar model
up the about 11 homes down,
00:56:24.740 --> 00:56:28.980
which sold for
approximately $135,000 more.
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:33.090
So, as you can see today
with one set of power lines,
00:56:33.090 --> 00:56:34.630
you got negative impact.
00:56:34.630 --> 00:56:37.663
You're gonna add another
set, obviously it's gonna have
00:56:37.663 --> 00:56:38.496
a bigger impact.
00:56:38.496 --> 00:56:42.070
Also recently, I had my
home appraised to determine
00:56:42.070 --> 00:56:45.340
a part of a refinancing and
found that my home was valued
00:56:45.340 --> 00:56:50.330
at approximately $110,000
less, similar in terms of its size
00:56:50.330 --> 00:56:52.970
and value to other homes
outside of the San Marco
00:56:52.970 --> 00:56:53.803
San Elijo area.
00:56:53.803 --> 00:56:57.684
So you can see this is
real money and will have
00:56:57.684 --> 00:56:59.610
a real impact to the
community in both San Marcos
00:56:59.610 --> 00:57:02.290
and San Elijo if this proposed project
00:57:02.290 --> 00:57:03.730
is allowed to go through.
00:57:03.730 --> 00:57:07.080
All we're asking is to
provide for a full environmental
00:57:07.080 --> 00:57:09.605
impact report before moving forward.
00:57:09.605 --> 00:57:11.450
Thank you for listening.
00:57:11.450 --> 00:57:12.300
Have a great day.
00:57:14.350 --> 00:57:15.650
Thank you for calling.
00:57:17.363 --> 00:57:18.530
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:57:19.740 --> 00:57:22.240
Our next
caller is Sarap Chandra,
00:57:23.528 --> 00:57:24.828
a Rancho Dorado residents.
00:57:25.786 --> 00:57:27.536
Sir you may go ahead.
00:57:29.043 --> 00:57:30.361
Good
morning Commissioners.
00:57:30.361 --> 00:57:31.620
My name is Sarap Chandra.
00:57:31.620 --> 00:57:34.623
I live in branch of Dorado
community in San Marcos.
00:57:34.623 --> 00:57:38.110
I would like to address
agenda item number 10.
00:57:39.130 --> 00:57:42.620
When my subdivision was
developed 20 years ago,
00:57:42.620 --> 00:57:46.667
the builder was required
by the city to dedicate
00:57:46.667 --> 00:57:49.906
the highest point in our
community to become a public park.
00:57:49.906 --> 00:57:52.610
That park is Simmons family park.
00:57:53.660 --> 00:57:58.570
They did this because they
wanted to preserve its beauty.
00:57:58.570 --> 00:58:02.760
The views from the park
are probably the most scenic
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:04.950
in all North County.
00:58:04.950 --> 00:58:09.460
We still enjoy the beautiful,
expensive panoramic views
00:58:09.460 --> 00:58:14.460
of the Pacific ocean, it's
coastline, the Carlsbad lagoons,
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:16.360
the mountain tops to the North.
00:58:17.250 --> 00:58:21.290
On a clear day, you can
see some came on the Island
00:58:21.290 --> 00:58:24.770
and Catalina Island
some 60 miles off shore.
00:58:25.990 --> 00:58:30.990
On a nightly basis, people are
enjoying spectacular sunsets
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:35.170
from the West facing
cement weaving bench
00:58:35.170 --> 00:58:37.524
all from the grassy hill directly below.
00:58:37.524 --> 00:58:41.490
I'm telling you about
the Simmons family park,
00:58:41.490 --> 00:58:45.510
because I want each of you to
understand how important it is
00:58:45.510 --> 00:58:46.470
to our community.
00:58:47.390 --> 00:58:50.679
I can even still remember the view
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.320
before the current power
lines were built in 2010.
00:58:54.221 --> 00:58:59.221
At that time, I was surprised
when those obscure polls
00:58:59.330 --> 00:59:03.803
were replaced with the
much larger current poles.
00:59:03.803 --> 00:59:07.330
They seemingly appeared out of nowhere.
00:59:07.330 --> 00:59:10.828
But this time, I'm aware
of this proposed change
00:59:10.828 --> 00:59:14.717
and I want to make sure my wife has said
00:59:14.717 --> 00:59:18.490
that the damage already done in 2010
00:59:18.490 --> 00:59:22.280
is not further compounded
by loving mother set up
00:59:23.268 --> 00:59:25.610
only the power lines
that preferred to destroy
00:59:26.605 --> 00:59:28.220
our wonderful natural resource.
00:59:28.220 --> 00:59:29.920
Please consider other options
00:59:31.006 --> 00:59:33.140
that will not create
such a negative effect.
00:59:33.140 --> 00:59:34.480
Thank you for your time.
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:36.410
Please vote no on item number 10.
00:59:37.260 --> 00:59:38.093
Have a nice day.
00:59:39.040 --> 00:59:40.910
Thank you for your call.
00:59:40.910 --> 00:59:42.610
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:59:44.790 --> 00:59:47.250
Our next caller
is a Victor DFeCarra,
00:59:48.264 --> 00:59:49.640
a citizen, sir you may go ahead.
00:59:51.068 --> 00:59:51.901
Hi, I'm Victor DeCarra.
00:59:53.523 --> 00:59:55.526
I'm calling about item 10 also.
00:59:55.526 --> 00:59:57.285
I live at 2179 coast Avenue
in the Rancho Dorado
00:59:57.285 --> 00:59:58.160
development in San Marcos.
00:59:58.160 --> 01:00:00.490
And I visited the nearby
Simmons family park
01:00:01.522 --> 01:00:02.355
every day of the week.
01:00:02.355 --> 01:00:04.744
Thank you for this opportunity
to express my views.
01:00:04.744 --> 01:00:09.210
And the final ISMND on the
project section 1.3 findings
01:00:09.210 --> 01:00:13.070
is a summary provided by Lisa
Forsaba, the project manager.
01:00:13.070 --> 01:00:14.770
The section comprises three paragraphs
01:00:14.770 --> 01:00:17.300
with a total of 399 words.
01:00:17.300 --> 01:00:20.850
Second paragraph describes
her evaluation of comments
01:00:20.850 --> 01:00:23.860
regarding the visual
aesthetic impact of the project.
01:00:23.860 --> 01:00:27.750
She devotes 255 words,
64% of the entire finding section
01:00:27.750 --> 01:00:28.583
to the topic.
01:00:29.885 --> 01:00:31.600
She calls up by photographic simulations
01:00:31.600 --> 01:00:34.480
and they put aside then
because they, I'm quoting,
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.448
"Lack sufficient
credibility to be considered
01:00:37.448 --> 01:00:40.130
"a substantial evidence as
no vantage point field of view
01:00:40.130 --> 01:00:42.240
"or methodology for
creating the simulations
01:00:42.240 --> 01:00:43.880
"has been specified."
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:48.260
I am the person provided
those photographic simulations.
01:00:48.260 --> 01:00:51.240
All that information is
readily available from me
01:00:51.240 --> 01:00:52.073
for the asking.
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.740
The CPUC website for
submitting the sponsor
01:00:56.766 --> 01:00:57.750
supports uploads of photographs.
01:00:57.750 --> 01:01:01.065
That page does not include
or reference any guidelines
01:01:01.065 --> 01:01:03.010
or best practices for
documenting the photographs.
01:01:03.010 --> 01:01:05.730
The upload process included
my name and email address.
01:01:06.610 --> 01:01:09.620
There is no effort made to
gather them to seek information.
01:01:09.620 --> 01:01:11.170
I was never contacted.
01:01:11.170 --> 01:01:14.220
I am discouraged by and
suspicious of a process
01:01:14.220 --> 01:01:16.069
that has undisclosed rules.
01:01:16.069 --> 01:01:19.140
I'm discouraged by
and suspicious of a team
01:01:19.140 --> 01:01:22.544
that failed to seek out
critical missing information.
01:01:22.544 --> 01:01:25.140
I encourage you to come
to San Marcos and visit
01:01:26.129 --> 01:01:26.962
Simmons Family park with me.
01:01:28.045 --> 01:01:29.989
Stand on the walkway or sit on the bench
01:01:29.989 --> 01:01:30.822
facing the Pacific ocean.
01:01:30.822 --> 01:01:33.467
Use your own eyes to
determine whether or not
01:01:33.467 --> 01:01:35.245
the simulations are realistic.
01:01:35.245 --> 01:01:37.669
Use your own eyes and
determine whether or not
01:01:37.669 --> 01:01:40.386
this additional transmission
line would have substantial
01:01:40.386 --> 01:01:42.460
adverse effect on the scenic Vista.
01:01:42.460 --> 01:01:44.060
Please vote no, thank you.
01:01:49.065 --> 01:01:49.898
Thank you.
01:01:49.898 --> 01:01:51.160
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:01:53.622 --> 01:01:54.950
Our next
caller is Anna Williams,
01:01:54.950 --> 01:01:56.960
a Santa Rosa resident.
01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:58.140
You may go ahead, ma'am.
01:02:01.965 --> 01:02:03.465
Yes, can you hear me?
01:02:07.580 --> 01:02:11.590
Yes, please, go ahead, caller.
01:02:13.780 --> 01:02:16.561
Yes, can you hear me?
01:02:16.561 --> 01:02:17.394
Yes, we can.
01:02:17.394 --> 01:02:18.737
Oh, I'm so sorry.
01:02:18.737 --> 01:02:22.570
Yes, so my name is Anna
Williams and thank you
01:02:22.570 --> 01:02:24.720
for this opportunity to share concerns.
01:02:24.720 --> 01:02:27.980
It is heartening to hear my
fellow neighbors and citizens
01:02:27.980 --> 01:02:30.480
eloquently speak on these matters.
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:31.970
I'm a resident of Santa Rosa.
01:02:31.970 --> 01:02:35.860
I live right next to the PG&E
substation on Harville road.
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:39.260
My concern as many of my neighbors share
01:02:39.260 --> 01:02:42.370
is the placement and
use of diesel generators
01:02:42.370 --> 01:02:44.160
in order to power the grid.
01:02:45.300 --> 01:02:48.290
My neighbor, Karen Sanders
has written an excellent letter,
01:02:48.290 --> 01:02:51.640
outlining the specific
details of our situation.
01:02:51.640 --> 01:02:55.499
And I would just like to
add on to that by requesting
01:02:55.499 --> 01:02:58.980
that PG&E not be allowed
to continue this process.
01:03:00.596 --> 01:03:03.516
At this point, all of our
complaints that we have shared
01:03:03.516 --> 01:03:08.130
with PG&E in a face to face
meeting, emails and phone calls
01:03:08.130 --> 01:03:11.500
have been responded with
vague comments from PG&E,
01:03:12.618 --> 01:03:15.376
such as will give us a year
to do something different.
01:03:15.376 --> 01:03:18.260
As citizens and environmentalist,
01:03:18.260 --> 01:03:21.150
we ask that there is
oversight and communications
01:03:21.150 --> 01:03:23.760
to residents, and a timeline degree to,
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.160
for establishing a better
response to our energy
01:03:26.160 --> 01:03:27.700
and climate concern.
01:03:27.700 --> 01:03:31.850
Our trust in PG&E is very
slim and we look to you for help.
01:03:31.850 --> 01:03:33.400
Thank you for all of your work.
01:03:36.498 --> 01:03:37.480
Thank you for your call.
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:39.180
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:03:42.212 --> 01:03:44.213
Our next
caller is David Elmer,
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:46.790
with San Elijo resident.
01:03:46.790 --> 01:03:48.660
Sir, you may go ahead.
01:03:48.660 --> 01:03:50.733
Yes, thank you very much.
01:03:50.733 --> 01:03:52.177
Good morning Commissioners.
01:03:52.177 --> 01:03:55.550
I too am calling about
the SDG&E tightline 6975
01:03:55.550 --> 01:03:56.996
item number 10.
01:03:56.996 --> 01:03:59.700
And although I do echo
a lot of the sentiment
01:04:00.752 --> 01:04:02.220
of my neighbors who were
talking about the aesthetics
01:04:03.075 --> 01:04:05.000
and even the safety
components of on the fire safety
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:08.710
and evacuation from San
Elijo Hills area where I live.
01:04:08.710 --> 01:04:13.200
The one area I wanna talk
about is the feasibility side.
01:04:13.200 --> 01:04:18.200
I do understand that really
a big part of your position
01:04:19.350 --> 01:04:21.690
in the CPUC is to really make sure
01:04:21.690 --> 01:04:23.140
that our rates are protected.
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:28.000
That all users and rate
payers are protected
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:32.098
against elevated fees, not
related to power consumption.
01:04:32.098 --> 01:04:35.450
And I do recognize
that and appreciate that.
01:04:35.450 --> 01:04:37.400
But the one thing I'd like to point out
01:04:38.654 --> 01:04:43.070
is if we were to go
underground as been suggested,
01:04:43.070 --> 01:04:45.670
and I know that it's been
pushed aside the plan,
01:04:45.670 --> 01:04:48.810
but I did some rough numbers
based on some research I did
01:04:49.798 --> 01:04:51.050
where I looked at it, if it
were to be an additional
01:04:51.050 --> 01:04:52.800
$30 million to do this,
01:04:53.780 --> 01:04:56.520
which is an estimate that I
did find somewhere potentially,
01:04:56.520 --> 01:05:01.080
that there's 1.4 million
meters in San Diego
01:05:01.080 --> 01:05:03.770
that SDG&E does service.
01:05:03.770 --> 01:05:07.330
And that $30 million
depreciate it over 30 years.
01:05:07.330 --> 01:05:10.140
It brings it to about a
million dollars a year
01:05:10.140 --> 01:05:13.830
on their books for this project
amounts to about 6 cents
01:05:14.680 --> 01:05:15.705
a month per meter.
01:05:15.705 --> 01:05:17.850
And that's some of the numbers I think,
01:05:18.782 --> 01:05:20.965
needs to be looked at
because I do know also SDG&E
01:05:20.965 --> 01:05:21.798
is self-insured.
01:05:21.798 --> 01:05:24.630
And if there was an
incident that were to happen
01:05:24.630 --> 01:05:27.300
and let's say, and we
know up in paradise,
01:05:27.300 --> 01:05:31.582
that was a 60, I believe it
was a $16.5 billion lawsuit.
01:05:31.582 --> 01:05:34.860
But even if there was just
one here that amounted
01:05:34.860 --> 01:05:38.210
for just half a billion or $500 million,
01:05:38.210 --> 01:05:43.210
that alone amortized over
that same 1.4 million meters
01:05:43.520 --> 01:05:47.790
for 30 years is a dollar a
month versus 6 cents a month,
01:05:47.790 --> 01:05:51.730
I'm sorry, 6 cents a month
for the additional construction.
01:05:51.730 --> 01:05:54.130
So it's sometime (beep)
01:05:54.130 --> 01:05:57.370
fruit for you all to look
at it in the short term,
01:05:57.370 --> 01:05:58.980
it might be slight increase.
01:05:58.980 --> 01:06:02.143
But in the longterm, I
think your due diligence
01:06:02.143 --> 01:06:02.976
is to protect those rates.
01:06:04.001 --> 01:06:05.286
And this is a way to do
that is to go underground
01:06:05.286 --> 01:06:06.119
and protect us that way.
01:06:07.021 --> 01:06:08.362
So I do thank you for your time
01:06:08.362 --> 01:06:10.586
and everyone please stay
safe during this madness.
01:06:10.586 --> 01:06:12.680
So thank you very much.
01:06:12.680 --> 01:06:14.480
Well, I thank
you for your call.
01:06:15.940 --> 01:06:17.440
Operator, next caller, please.
01:06:19.260 --> 01:06:22.140
Our next caller
is Kurt Schwind, a citizen.
01:06:23.342 --> 01:06:25.640
Sir, you may go ahead.
01:06:25.640 --> 01:06:27.124
Thank you.
01:06:27.124 --> 01:06:27.957
Good morning and thank
you for taking my call.
01:06:27.957 --> 01:06:30.939
I too am a homeowner in the
Rancho Dorado community,
01:06:30.939 --> 01:06:35.939
and I'm calling to voice my
opposition to agenda item 10.
01:06:36.110 --> 01:06:40.923
I take exception with the
MND report that was presented
01:06:40.923 --> 01:06:44.840
initially and in the
followup for a major reason,
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:47.130
I'm a project management professional,
01:06:47.130 --> 01:06:49.920
and I know that a key
to a successful project
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.520
is making sure that all of the
stakeholders have been heard.
01:06:55.244 --> 01:06:56.700
But no stakeholders were consulted,
01:06:56.700 --> 01:06:57.533
the stakeholders, meaning the community
01:06:57.533 --> 01:07:00.340
were consulted in the
development of this report.
01:07:00.340 --> 01:07:04.220
They have key findings of
little or no aesthetic impact
01:07:04.220 --> 01:07:06.320
and little or no fire risks.
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:10.006
And again, as a project
management professional,
01:07:10.006 --> 01:07:12.280
I can tell you that without
consulting the community,
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:14.730
how can you say that
there's no aesthetic impact.
01:07:15.863 --> 01:07:18.970
I happen to live along
San Marcos Boulevard
01:07:18.970 --> 01:07:21.220
where the current
wooden pole power lines
01:07:21.220 --> 01:07:26.060
run directly behind my yard
on the far side of a brick wall.
01:07:27.444 --> 01:07:30.180
They're gonna replace those wooden poles
01:07:30.180 --> 01:07:34.050
with large metal poles, twice
the size of the existing poles
01:07:34.050 --> 01:07:35.600
with twice as many power lines.
01:07:36.820 --> 01:07:40.750
How can they say that's no
aesthetic impact on my home,
01:07:40.750 --> 01:07:44.030
no impact on my property value.
01:07:44.030 --> 01:07:47.200
Not to mention the fact
that the current power lines
01:07:47.200 --> 01:07:50.380
exist in a five to six foot
wide landscaped area
01:07:50.380 --> 01:07:51.890
on the far side of the wall.
01:07:52.750 --> 01:07:56.470
Next to that is a sidewalk
and next to that six lane,
01:07:56.470 --> 01:07:57.590
San Marcos Boulevard.
01:07:58.776 --> 01:08:00.260
There's nowhere to put
these new power lines
01:08:00.260 --> 01:08:04.280
except inside the wall on my
property closer to my home.
01:08:05.420 --> 01:08:07.670
So you're gonna put a
twice as large of an object
01:08:07.670 --> 01:08:12.090
with twice as many power
lines, 20 feet closer to my home
01:08:12.090 --> 01:08:16.460
with the span of the power
lines practically over my roof.
01:08:16.460 --> 01:08:18.830
And you're telling me that
there's no aesthetic impact
01:08:18.830 --> 01:08:19.860
on my house.
01:08:19.860 --> 01:08:22.470
That's not gonna
affect my property value.
01:08:22.470 --> 01:08:23.370
That's ridiculous.
01:08:24.914 --> 01:08:28.277
So that's one of my
arguments against this.
01:08:28.277 --> 01:08:33.060
In addition, I recently
saw a billboard on I78
01:08:33.060 --> 01:08:36.820
from SDG&E that says
anything it takes to keep you safe.
01:08:36.820 --> 01:08:39.030
Well, maybe that should
say anything it takes
01:08:39.030 --> 01:08:41.570
as long as it meets
minimum safety requirements
01:08:41.570 --> 01:08:43.020
and is the cheapest solution.
01:08:43.940 --> 01:08:47.470
The reality is we have
to stop looking at safer
01:08:47.470 --> 01:08:49.590
and start looking at (beep)
01:08:52.890 --> 01:08:53.723
There's no way to know
what is the safest solution
01:08:54.649 --> 01:08:56.220
without a full environmental impact.
01:08:57.610 --> 01:08:59.015
Thank you for your time.
01:08:59.015 --> 01:09:02.150
And please do not allow
this to go through without
01:09:03.351 --> 01:09:04.930
a full environmental impact report.
01:09:06.973 --> 01:09:08.480
Thank you for your call.
01:09:08.480 --> 01:09:09.940
Operator, the next caller.
01:09:13.434 --> 01:09:14.711
And thank you.
01:09:14.711 --> 01:09:17.030
Before we go to the next
caller, if you wish to speak
01:09:17.030 --> 01:09:19.220
during the public comment
period, please press star one,
01:09:20.174 --> 01:09:21.600
unmute your phone and
clearly provide your name
01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:24.050
and organization when prompted.
01:09:24.050 --> 01:09:27.630
Our next caller is Dave Lee,
East San Marcos resident.
01:09:27.630 --> 01:09:28.730
Sir, you may go ahead.
01:09:31.146 --> 01:09:31.979
Good morning, Commissioner.
01:09:31.979 --> 01:09:34.854
I'm Dave Lee, I'm
also live in San Marco.
01:09:34.854 --> 01:09:37.553
And I will echo too many
people have called earlier
01:09:37.553 --> 01:09:40.340
regarding agenda number 10.
01:09:41.570 --> 01:09:44.850
I'm also the light to ask
you for a full environmental
01:09:44.850 --> 01:09:47.190
impact report.
01:09:47.190 --> 01:09:50.010
I wanna share my personal
experience with you.
01:09:50.010 --> 01:09:54.000
A few years ago, I
met, it was a windy day.
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:56.967
I was at work and I was
told that we have to evacuate
01:09:56.967 --> 01:09:59.110
because of the wildfire.
01:09:59.110 --> 01:10:02.770
The way that one started
with the chief touching
01:10:02.770 --> 01:10:05.330
the power line and
we started a wildfire.
01:10:05.330 --> 01:10:07.540
So I was told to go home.
01:10:07.540 --> 01:10:10.540
As I was driving home,
my work is only 15 miles
01:10:10.540 --> 01:10:11.832
from my house.
01:10:11.832 --> 01:10:14.170
I received the call from
the school telling me
01:10:14.170 --> 01:10:16.310
that I have to go pick up my kid
01:10:16.310 --> 01:10:19.165
because they have to
go outside on my house.
01:10:19.165 --> 01:10:24.165
I say parents off
to, I can tell you that,
01:10:24.190 --> 01:10:26.926
even now there was
one may 15 mile drive,
01:10:26.926 --> 01:10:29.149
that was the longest drive
I have ever experienced
01:10:29.149 --> 01:10:31.551
not knowing whether my
kid is safe and on house
01:10:31.551 --> 01:10:32.852
and I can't get home.
01:10:32.852 --> 01:10:35.060
I really wanna express
my concern of the additional
01:10:35.060 --> 01:10:37.650
power line and to close
us off increased probability
01:10:37.650 --> 01:10:38.483
of wildfire.
01:10:39.369 --> 01:10:42.830
I'm begging you to come see
the a full environmental impact
01:10:42.830 --> 01:10:44.120
report to study.
01:10:45.733 --> 01:10:48.270
Thank you, Commissioner.
01:10:48.270 --> 01:10:50.230
Thank you for your call.
01:10:50.230 --> 01:10:52.490
Operator, is there
anybody else on the line?
01:10:54.080 --> 01:10:56.630
Yes, our next
caller is Chuck Rozelle,
01:10:57.529 --> 01:10:58.591
a rate payer.
01:10:58.591 --> 01:10:59.930
Sir, you may go ahead.
01:10:59.930 --> 01:11:01.633
Thank you.
01:11:01.633 --> 01:11:03.440
I'm Chuck Rozelle and
I'm a resident of Oakland.
01:11:03.440 --> 01:11:07.790
I'm calling regarding the
micro grid proceedings.
01:11:07.790 --> 01:11:09.870
The recent blackouts highlight the fact
01:11:09.870 --> 01:11:12.633
that there's plenty of installed power.
01:11:12.633 --> 01:11:14.630
It's just not addressable an emergency.
01:11:14.630 --> 01:11:17.649
Now that the PSPS sees it as a POTUS,
01:11:17.649 --> 01:11:18.482
there's a similar issue.
01:11:18.482 --> 01:11:21.480
The CPUC is authorized
controversial diesel powered
01:11:21.480 --> 01:11:24.771
alternatives, which failed to
integrate existing resources.
01:11:24.771 --> 01:11:27.710
It should be apparent
that disruptive solutions
01:11:27.710 --> 01:11:30.340
are being deployed
concurrent with utility industry,
01:11:30.340 --> 01:11:33.680
desperately trying to support
an increasingly irrelevant
01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:35.080
infrastructure.
01:11:35.080 --> 01:11:37.890
That infrastructure is not
only susceptible to wildfires,
01:11:37.890 --> 01:11:41.209
but also to an unresponsive
mix of current generation.
01:11:41.209 --> 01:11:43.670
In business school, a classic case study
01:11:43.670 --> 01:11:46.360
is an industry's response
to disruptive technology.
01:11:46.360 --> 01:11:49.540
The traditional solution is
to slow the process down
01:11:49.540 --> 01:11:51.320
by every means available.
01:11:51.320 --> 01:11:53.988
In this case, the state
of California cannot wait.
01:11:53.988 --> 01:11:56.290
A robust distributed energy solution,
01:11:56.290 --> 01:11:58.620
including micro grid
capability is the solution
01:11:58.620 --> 01:12:00.030
to the problem.
01:12:00.030 --> 01:12:01.990
Fortunately, the California
energy Commission
01:12:01.990 --> 01:12:05.430
and the municipal directed
CCAs have been aggressively
01:12:05.430 --> 01:12:07.860
exploring and deploying these solutions.
01:12:07.860 --> 01:12:10.090
Policy is not keeping up.
01:12:10.090 --> 01:12:12.860
For too long, state energy
policy has been dominated
01:12:12.860 --> 01:12:15.610
by the IOUs and their ability to drive
01:12:15.610 --> 01:12:18.040
well-meaning
proceedings to their liking.
01:12:18.040 --> 01:12:20.052
It's time for that model to change.
01:12:20.052 --> 01:12:23.680
I strongly urge the CPUC
to utilize the opportunity
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:26.931
afforded by track two of
the SB 1339 proceeding
01:12:26.931 --> 01:12:30.170
to change the paradigm
and listen to the voices
01:12:30.170 --> 01:12:33.350
that count be responsive
to California residents
01:12:33.350 --> 01:12:35.730
and the municipalities
that represent them.
01:12:35.730 --> 01:12:37.680
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
01:12:40.550 --> 01:12:41.383
Thank you for your call.
01:12:42.529 --> 01:12:43.820
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:12:44.950 --> 01:12:48.020
Our next caller
is Keon Kerner, a citizen.
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:49.980
Sir, you may go ahead.
01:12:51.190 --> 01:12:53.391
Hi, I'm Keon Kerner,
01:12:53.391 --> 01:12:54.510
I'm a resident of Rancho Dorado,
01:12:54.510 --> 01:12:59.510
and I agree with all the
points of my neighbors
01:12:59.573 --> 01:13:01.870
regarding the aesthetics
issues, the property value issues,
01:13:01.870 --> 01:13:03.503
the fire safety issues.
01:13:03.503 --> 01:13:07.491
I wanted to raise a separate
point regarding health issues
01:13:07.491 --> 01:13:08.960
personal to us.
01:13:10.051 --> 01:13:11.872
We, our daughter was
diagnosed with leukemia
01:13:11.872 --> 01:13:14.880
when she was three and
through a lot of research and study,
01:13:17.191 --> 01:13:18.226
we believe it was linked
to the high EMF level
01:13:18.226 --> 01:13:20.372
in our home at the time.
01:13:20.372 --> 01:13:21.290
So in searching for new homes,
01:13:21.290 --> 01:13:24.840
we were diligent and
checking for low EMS
01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:29.000
and obviously power lines
got huge amounts of EMS.
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:30.470
I've tested the ones
in our neighborhood,
01:13:30.470 --> 01:13:32.370
they are already very high.
01:13:32.370 --> 01:13:34.867
And when we were looking for our home,
01:13:34.867 --> 01:13:37.317
we pass on many homes
because they were too close
01:13:38.350 --> 01:13:39.600
to power lines.
01:13:41.644 --> 01:13:44.468
So worried that they're
gonna double the size
01:13:44.468 --> 01:13:48.143
of these power lines and
double the power water
01:13:48.143 --> 01:13:49.310
running through them and run
them closer to people's homes,
01:13:49.310 --> 01:13:51.240
I think presents a
health risk to the people
01:13:52.566 --> 01:13:53.620
in the neighborhood that
should be raised as well.
01:13:55.045 --> 01:13:57.004
So that's a huge concern
for us that I wanted to voice
01:13:57.004 --> 01:13:58.004
to you guys.
01:13:59.161 --> 01:14:00.230
I appreciate your time.
01:14:00.230 --> 01:14:01.063
Thank you.
01:14:02.060 --> 01:14:03.970
Thank you for your call.
01:14:03.970 --> 01:14:05.600
Operator, next caller, please.
01:14:08.310 --> 01:14:10.400
Our next
caller is Catalina Elmer
01:14:10.400 --> 01:14:13.190
with a San Elijo Hills resident.
01:14:14.248 --> 01:14:16.480
You may go ahead.
01:14:16.480 --> 01:14:18.743
Hello, can you hear me?
01:14:18.743 --> 01:14:20.440
Hello?
01:14:21.440 --> 01:14:23.192
Yes, we can hear you.
01:14:23.192 --> 01:14:26.000
Okay, I was
so emotional just now
01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:27.170
Sharing about the leukemia.
01:14:27.170 --> 01:14:30.597
I'm talking about item 10
and I would like to talk further
01:14:30.597 --> 01:14:32.699
about the rental opposed to preserve.
01:14:32.699 --> 01:14:34.870
I live adjacent to a
preserve and we often use it
01:14:34.870 --> 01:14:37.300
for our enjoyment or hiking.
01:14:37.300 --> 01:14:39.780
The trail is elevator
will be used in the West,
01:14:40.959 --> 01:14:41.920
including the Pacific ocean.
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:45.960
However, when I let them form
the TPUC reports and the trail
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:50.670
is not part of the preserve
and that it will not be impacted
01:14:50.670 --> 01:14:53.550
by the new power
lines, I had to get involve,
01:14:53.550 --> 01:14:58.363
specifically the initial
MND and table 3.1-3,
01:14:59.460 --> 01:15:03.330
rental costs to preserve
another column view obstruction.
01:15:03.330 --> 01:15:07.930
It says no project is located
to the East behind the viewer.
01:15:09.057 --> 01:15:14.057
However, this is not
true and much pointed out
01:15:14.240 --> 01:15:18.400
in the public comments and
acknowledged in the final MND
01:15:19.757 --> 01:15:21.840
and the staff's response
to his public comments
01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:24.395
on page 183 of the final MND.
01:15:24.395 --> 01:15:29.395
To make matters worse,
it turns out the initial MND
01:15:30.716 --> 01:15:34.840
on page 422, under the
analysis of the recreation says
01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:39.840
rental cost of reserve is
comprised of 1035 acres
01:15:40.100 --> 01:15:43.770
of non-continuous protected
areas in Santa Marcos.
01:15:43.770 --> 01:15:46.320
The some section of
segment two would cross
01:15:46.320 --> 01:15:47.630
through this preserve.
01:15:49.157 --> 01:15:51.990
Even the staff own
report that segment two
01:15:51.990 --> 01:15:53.720
crosses over the preserve.
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:57.500
And yet the final MND
does not reflect that fact
01:15:57.500 --> 01:15:58.820
in table 3.1/3.
01:15:59.957 --> 01:16:02.440
To top it all off in the final MND
01:16:02.440 --> 01:16:05.450
in their conclusions
of these fabrics impact.
01:16:06.932 --> 01:16:08.820
And this does on page
295, they say in summary,
01:16:08.820 --> 01:16:11.430
for the scenic vistas in
Rancho Dorado preserve
01:16:11.430 --> 01:16:15.140
and diamond 12 preserve,
the project would not be visible
01:16:16.368 --> 01:16:17.880
in the view and not impact
on these scenic basis
01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:19.240
would occur.
01:16:19.240 --> 01:16:23.210
This is 100% incorrect,
and yet this was the basis
01:16:23.210 --> 01:16:26.033
for the conclusion (beep)
01:16:26.033 --> 01:16:28.080
was less than significant.
01:16:29.230 --> 01:16:32.310
Given this example and
how Eric has pointed it out
01:16:32.310 --> 01:16:37.310
and ignored, please mandate an EIR,
01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:39.840
and please do consider our fire danger.
01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:42.880
We have over 5,000
students in two middle schools,
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.460
two elements, (beep)
01:16:45.460 --> 01:16:47.530
Day care units here in San Elijo Hill,
01:16:48.678 --> 01:16:49.828
one road, two ways out.
01:16:50.915 --> 01:16:51.930
Thank you so much for your time.
01:16:54.190 --> 01:16:55.023
Thank you.
01:16:57.159 --> 01:16:58.280
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.456
Our next
caller is Patrick Hadley
01:17:02.456 --> 01:17:04.540
with San Elijo Hills
and San Marco owner.
01:17:06.122 --> 01:17:07.701
You may go ahead, sir.
01:17:07.701 --> 01:17:08.821
Measurement.
01:17:08.821 --> 01:17:10.054
The measurement.
01:17:10.054 --> 01:17:11.160
Hello there.
01:17:11.160 --> 01:17:15.160
So, yeah, so I am obviously,
I'm calling about number 10
01:17:16.180 --> 01:17:19.160
as well and I oppose the
above ground power lines
01:17:19.160 --> 01:17:22.640
for many of the same reasons
that many of our other callers
01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:24.430
have said.
01:17:24.430 --> 01:17:27.190
My family was also
evacuated a few years ago,
01:17:27.190 --> 01:17:29.740
coming home, not knowing
after three days being out
01:17:30.799 --> 01:17:31.960
what we were gonna come home to.
01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:33.720
Fortunately, the
firefighters did a great job
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:36.041
and our houses were saved that time.
01:17:36.041 --> 01:17:40.030
But we moved here at 10
years ago from New Hampshire,
01:17:40.030 --> 01:17:42.820
a tiny little state of New Hampshire.
01:17:42.820 --> 01:17:44.719
And guess what they have there,
01:17:44.719 --> 01:17:46.790
they have underground power lines there.
01:17:46.790 --> 01:17:50.240
The fact that California is
supposed to be the leader
01:17:50.240 --> 01:17:52.840
in green technology
and all these other things.
01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:56.360
And we're still talking
about giant, ugly,
01:17:56.360 --> 01:17:58.890
dangerous power
lines, it's embarrassing.
01:18:00.300 --> 01:18:04.061
And we need to do better
and we need you to listen
01:18:04.061 --> 01:18:06.180
to our local voices
because we are the ones
01:18:06.180 --> 01:18:09.620
that will live with the
consequences of your decisions.
01:18:10.990 --> 01:18:12.930
So we need you to be a leader,
01:18:12.930 --> 01:18:16.470
have some longterm vision
on this and let's do better.
01:18:17.470 --> 01:18:18.890
That's really all I wanna say.
01:18:24.220 --> 01:18:26.219
Okay, thank you, caller.
01:18:26.219 --> 01:18:28.300
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:18:32.099 --> 01:18:34.323
Our next
caller is Irene Totten,
01:18:34.323 --> 01:18:35.510
a San Marcos resident.
01:18:35.510 --> 01:18:36.660
Ma'am you may go ahead.
01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:38.760
Thank you.
01:18:39.919 --> 01:18:40.752
Hi, I too I'm a resident
of Santa Elijo Hills,
01:18:40.752 --> 01:18:43.360
which is adjacent to
Rancho Dorado and in the city
01:18:43.360 --> 01:18:44.640
of San Marcos.
01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:47.377
I am vehemently against
these above ground power lines.
01:18:47.377 --> 01:18:50.420
My home currently resides in the shadow
01:18:50.420 --> 01:18:54.030
of a five story monsters
pole that I can even sleep
01:18:54.030 --> 01:18:56.062
with my windows open at night
01:18:56.062 --> 01:18:57.578
because I can hear the humming.
01:18:57.578 --> 01:18:58.600
That's how close it is, okay.
01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:01.140
I listened to the man talk
about his child with leukemia
01:19:01.140 --> 01:19:03.840
and I'm crying because
my daughters sleep
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:06.140
directly next to these lines every night
01:19:06.140 --> 01:19:09.500
as do the rest of my
family, we are sitting ducks.
01:19:10.620 --> 01:19:12.590
We are sitting ducks
in these communities.
01:19:12.590 --> 01:19:14.890
There is not enough
egress for us to get out
01:19:14.890 --> 01:19:16.437
in case of fire.
01:19:16.437 --> 01:19:20.030
We are so lucky that the
DC Kent was able to drop
01:19:20.030 --> 01:19:21.850
when it did in 2014.
01:19:21.850 --> 01:19:24.690
Otherwise we would
have all been wiped out.
01:19:24.690 --> 01:19:28.850
This is an imperative
situation that you please
01:19:28.850 --> 01:19:31.710
demand an EIR vote against this proposal
01:19:32.878 --> 01:19:34.579
for SDG&E doesn't give a crap about us.
01:19:34.579 --> 01:19:37.620
And they've made that perfectly clear.
01:19:37.620 --> 01:19:40.170
They have an ongoing ad campaign
01:19:40.170 --> 01:19:42.880
that both of their
protection of San Diego
01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:45.520
and by undergrounding
power lines all over the County.
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:48.162
But why, why do our
lives not matter as much.
01:19:48.162 --> 01:19:49.422
This is absolutely preposterous.
01:19:49.422 --> 01:19:54.422
And I am begging you
for the lives of my family,
01:19:54.790 --> 01:19:59.240
my community, for our health,
our safety, our wellbeing.
01:19:59.240 --> 01:20:03.910
I am begging you to
vote no on this proposal
01:20:03.910 --> 01:20:06.870
and demand an EIR because
SDG&E does not have
01:20:06.870 --> 01:20:10.010
our best interests at heart
and I would rather pay 6 cents
01:20:10.010 --> 01:20:14.530
more a month and lose
my life and my property
01:20:14.530 --> 01:20:18.097
and the lives and property
of my neighbors and friends.
01:20:18.097 --> 01:20:20.560
This community is so
concentrated with children
01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:21.901
and families.
01:20:21.901 --> 01:20:22.910
And we have already,
it's already been proven
01:20:23.799 --> 01:20:24.632
that we do not have
enough egress to get out
01:20:24.632 --> 01:20:26.760
when wildfire hits.
01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:29.090
They want to put a pole
50 feet closer to my home,
01:20:29.090 --> 01:20:31.950
I can already throw a rock
and hit the one that's there.
01:20:31.950 --> 01:20:35.410
Please, I am begging you as
a mother and a human beings
01:20:35.410 --> 01:20:38.750
to use your common sense
and your sense of duty to vote
01:20:38.750 --> 01:20:40.300
correctly and do what is right.
01:20:41.464 --> 01:20:46.464
You must vote against this
plan, must demand an EIR,
01:20:46.470 --> 01:20:48.743
and we need to be heard.
01:20:48.743 --> 01:20:49.630
We're the ones that live here,
01:20:51.015 --> 01:20:52.560
we are the ones that have
to put up with this, look at it.
01:20:53.759 --> 01:20:55.541
Not to mention, there are
more people home than ever
01:20:55.541 --> 01:20:57.143
right now because of COVID.
01:20:57.143 --> 01:20:58.930
We're more people trying to get out.
01:20:58.930 --> 01:21:00.020
I know that's the end of my time,
01:21:00.020 --> 01:21:02.623
but I cannot stress this to you enough.
01:21:02.623 --> 01:21:03.860
It is even more important now than ever
01:21:03.860 --> 01:21:05.260
that our homes be protected,
01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:07.662
it's where we educate our children,
01:21:07.662 --> 01:21:08.917
it's where we work from,
01:21:08.917 --> 01:21:10.470
and we're not gonna be
able to escape when fire hits.
01:21:10.470 --> 01:21:11.640
I appreciate you.
01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:13.510
Please do your job and do it well,
01:21:13.510 --> 01:21:14.720
please save us.
01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:15.553
Thank you.
01:21:18.400 --> 01:21:19.560
Thank you, caller.
01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:21.360
Operator, the next caller please.
01:21:23.390 --> 01:21:26.610
Our next caller
is Jeff Rector, a rate payer.
01:21:26.610 --> 01:21:27.710
Sir, you may go ahead.
01:21:30.099 --> 01:21:30.932
Hi, my name is Jeff Rector,
01:21:30.932 --> 01:21:34.887
I'm a San Marcos residents,
I live in San Elijo Hills.
01:21:34.887 --> 01:21:36.727
I'm calling about agenda item number 10.
01:21:36.727 --> 01:21:41.200
I'm appalled, so by my property,
01:21:42.648 --> 01:21:44.586
my view line is not affected by this.
01:21:44.586 --> 01:21:48.860
I don't expect my property
values will be effected
01:21:48.860 --> 01:21:53.860
except for the increased
fire risk that this is causing.
01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:57.325
When we had the fire
in 2014, it was terrifying
01:21:57.325 --> 01:22:01.080
to be caught in a traffic
jam on a two way lane
01:22:01.080 --> 01:22:02.930
on the only way out.
01:22:02.930 --> 01:22:06.605
That route is going to be
crossed by these additional lines.
01:22:06.605 --> 01:22:11.605
But I also wanna
emphasize that I am shocked
01:22:12.090 --> 01:22:17.090
that at this point in time,
when the state is making efforts
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:21.180
to address resiliency in the grid,
01:22:21.180 --> 01:22:24.660
that they're approving
a project that increases
01:22:24.660 --> 01:22:26.890
investment in transmission lines,
01:22:26.890 --> 01:22:28.820
above ground transmission lines.
01:22:28.820 --> 01:22:33.200
Well, we need our distributed
energy resources, micro grids.
01:22:33.200 --> 01:22:35.570
We need the ability to
isolate this community
01:22:35.570 --> 01:22:40.570
with its own power when
there are weather related events
01:22:42.085 --> 01:22:44.430
that requires public safety shutdowns.
01:22:44.430 --> 01:22:48.210
The initial study that concluded
01:22:48.210 --> 01:22:50.940
there's less than significant impact.
01:22:50.940 --> 01:22:53.283
I am the appall at that.
01:22:53.283 --> 01:22:56.940
As many others on
this call have mentioned,
01:22:56.940 --> 01:22:59.980
if you just come and
look at this community,
01:22:59.980 --> 01:23:03.290
look at the views, look at
where some of this is gonna go.
01:23:03.290 --> 01:23:05.920
It's absurd to conclude
that there is a less
01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:07.600
than significant impact.
01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:12.590
And one of the justifications
that there's no aesthetic
01:23:12.590 --> 01:23:16.641
or there's no impact on the aesthetics
01:23:16.641 --> 01:23:19.921
was in the report,
01:23:19.921 --> 01:23:23.180
was it there's already
an existing facility.
01:23:23.180 --> 01:23:27.820
And I encourage the
Commission to give serious doubts
01:23:27.820 --> 01:23:30.720
about that as a basis to conclude
01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:32.340
that there's no significant impact.
01:23:33.302 --> 01:23:36.040
Does that mean that if you're
sitting beside a power plant
01:23:36.040 --> 01:23:39.560
in the community
that additional facilities
01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:42.120
should not be considered
because you're already
01:23:42.120 --> 01:23:44.210
in a blighted area, no.
01:23:44.210 --> 01:23:48.070
I mean, so I'm not gonna
pretend that I am a citizen
01:23:48.070 --> 01:23:51.285
who demands environmental
justice for my own self,
01:23:51.285 --> 01:23:54.980
because we live in a very
comfortable community,
01:23:54.980 --> 01:23:58.140
but I object to the basis
of an existing project
01:23:58.140 --> 01:24:01.820
as justification for an
additional one to be built.
01:24:01.820 --> 01:24:02.890
Thank you very much.
01:24:04.679 --> 01:24:06.201
Thank you, okay.
01:24:06.201 --> 01:24:07.081
I apologize, thank you.
01:24:07.081 --> 01:24:08.097
That's all right, that's right.
01:24:08.097 --> 01:24:08.930
Just wanting to make
sure you heard the bell.
01:24:09.820 --> 01:24:11.382
Okay, thank you.
01:24:11.382 --> 01:24:12.410
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:24:13.820 --> 01:24:15.750
Our next
caller is Anthony Cicero,
01:24:15.750 --> 01:24:18.180
a San Elijo Hills homeowner.
01:24:18.180 --> 01:24:19.280
Sir, you may go ahead.
01:24:20.270 --> 01:24:22.070
Thank you and
thank you to the committee
01:24:22.070 --> 01:24:26.260
for allowing us to voice our opinions.
01:24:26.260 --> 01:24:30.070
I'm not a native California,
I've been here about 11 years
01:24:30.070 --> 01:24:33.280
and I love California, I love
San Marcos, my neighborhood.
01:24:33.280 --> 01:24:35.550
But mostly I love my family.
01:24:35.550 --> 01:24:39.120
And in 2014, I happened
to leave on a business trip
01:24:39.120 --> 01:24:42.624
to Florida the day before
the fires hit in the area.
01:24:42.624 --> 01:24:45.039
And my family had to evacuate.
01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:48.410
My wife, my daughter,
my dogs, and my elderly
01:24:48.410 --> 01:24:51.241
handicapped father,
who's Korean war vet.
01:24:51.241 --> 01:24:55.320
It took them over an hour to
get them from my neighborhood,
01:24:55.320 --> 01:24:57.570
the houses in Promontory
ridge, the main road
01:24:58.623 --> 01:24:59.761
to get out of San Elijo.
01:24:59.761 --> 01:25:02.500
Thank God they were able
to do that because if the fires
01:25:02.500 --> 01:25:05.540
had reached into town, they
would probably all be gone.
01:25:05.540 --> 01:25:08.500
Or if they had the ability
to get out of the car and run,
01:25:08.500 --> 01:25:11.440
my elderly father who
can't get out of car and run
01:25:11.440 --> 01:25:13.362
would have burned to death.
01:25:13.362 --> 01:25:18.362
Not really a, a good showing
of what this community would do
01:25:18.463 --> 01:25:21.037
for our veteran heroes.
01:25:21.037 --> 01:25:25.130
And since 2014, there's
thousands of more residents
01:25:25.130 --> 01:25:28.559
in San Elijo Hills and new
neighborhoods of sanctuary,
01:25:28.559 --> 01:25:30.283
the estates, the town center.
01:25:30.283 --> 01:25:32.680
I mean, it would take even
longer to get out of here now,
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:33.880
should something happen.
01:25:38.225 --> 01:25:39.461
I understand that
progress has to take place,
01:25:39.461 --> 01:25:41.081
but the cost of putting
the lines on the ground
01:25:41.081 --> 01:25:43.750
versus the cost of damage and lawsuits
01:25:44.825 --> 01:25:48.180
to potential fire seems
like a no brainer to do.
01:25:49.158 --> 01:25:54.158
I totally oppose number 10
and request that you do an EIR,
01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:59.430
because this is a great
neighborhood and a great community.
01:25:59.430 --> 01:26:03.740
And we shouldn't have
to live our lives in fear
01:26:03.740 --> 01:26:07.020
because of the bureaucracy of SDNG&E
01:26:07.020 --> 01:26:09.000
wanted some unreasonable
launch to our neighborhood.
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:09.833
Thank you.
01:26:11.203 --> 01:26:13.839
Thank you.
01:26:13.839 --> 01:26:15.160
The Next caller, please.
01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:21.350
Our next
caller is Dr. Lee Tian,
01:26:21.350 --> 01:26:22.960
a citizen.
01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:24.800
You may go ahead.
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:26.070
Okay, can you hear me?
01:26:29.130 --> 01:26:29.963
Hello?
01:26:30.940 --> 01:26:32.258
Yes, yes, yes.
01:26:32.258 --> 01:26:33.360
We can hear you, go ahead.
01:26:33.360 --> 01:26:34.720
All right, thank
you so much first of all,
01:26:35.642 --> 01:26:38.270
to all of the ladies and
gentlemen sitting on the panel
01:26:38.270 --> 01:26:39.810
and listening to all of us.
01:26:39.810 --> 01:26:42.720
I am a resident of San
Elijo Hills in San Marcos.
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.299
I know you guys have already
heard so many touching stories.
01:26:45.299 --> 01:26:48.900
We've lived here for 15 years.
01:26:48.900 --> 01:26:53.900
The first time we were
evacuated, our neighbor called me,
01:26:54.260 --> 01:26:56.210
called us three o'clock in the morning.
01:26:57.536 --> 01:26:59.660
I had no idea, I saw as a prank call.
01:26:59.660 --> 01:27:03.790
But in any case, I'm so
thankful for those neighbors
01:27:03.790 --> 01:27:06.420
who called us otherwise we
wouldn't know there was a fire
01:27:06.420 --> 01:27:07.790
approaching.
01:27:07.790 --> 01:27:12.150
And the second time 2017, we watched,
01:27:12.150 --> 01:27:14.540
we stood at the end of our driveway,
01:27:14.540 --> 01:27:18.450
watched a fire going up to
the Hill right across from us
01:27:18.450 --> 01:27:22.559
and watch all the cars
parked on the street
01:27:22.559 --> 01:27:23.810
in front of our house for 40 minutes,
01:27:23.810 --> 01:27:27.059
nobody could move anywhere
because the congestion.
01:27:27.059 --> 01:27:32.059
How can someone say
that this new power line
01:27:32.380 --> 01:27:34.210
has no impact to our neighborhoods,
01:27:34.210 --> 01:27:38.100
to our lives and to all
his beautiful children
01:27:38.100 --> 01:27:39.770
and community.
01:27:39.770 --> 01:27:41.570
And just going to build this weight.
01:27:41.570 --> 01:27:44.450
And when they putting advertisements
01:27:45.559 --> 01:27:47.780
saying that they care
about fire, care about people.
01:27:47.780 --> 01:27:49.590
How can they even say that.
01:27:49.590 --> 01:27:52.490
I'm sorry that I just am so
emotional, we love this place.
01:27:52.490 --> 01:27:55.118
We want to stay here
for as long as we could,
01:27:55.118 --> 01:28:00.118
but this is just outrageous
how they're saying one thing
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:02.870
and then doing exactly opposite.
01:28:02.870 --> 01:28:05.730
And I really, really
appreciate you guys listening
01:28:05.730 --> 01:28:06.870
to all of us.
01:28:06.870 --> 01:28:10.190
And I know your job as elected officials
01:28:10.190 --> 01:28:12.360
is to take care of the citizen.
01:28:12.360 --> 01:28:14.530
And that's the best way
you can take care of us
01:28:14.530 --> 01:28:19.350
in our future and our
kids to do the right thing,
01:28:19.350 --> 01:28:20.183
stop this.
01:28:20.183 --> 01:28:23.540
I don't really know it what's
this environmental study.
01:28:23.540 --> 01:28:24.410
It doesn't matter.
01:28:24.410 --> 01:28:27.380
We have to stop this
building because it's going
01:28:27.380 --> 01:28:29.760
to cost more fires, that's for sure.
01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:30.593
That is just going to
be hundreds of lives.
01:28:30.593 --> 01:28:33.910
When I watched the paradise,
01:28:33.910 --> 01:28:37.370
I thought that's going to happen to us,
01:28:37.370 --> 01:28:38.900
especially the way it is going.
01:28:38.900 --> 01:28:40.050
So thank you very much.
01:28:42.080 --> 01:28:43.380
Thank you for your call.
01:28:44.782 --> 01:28:45.880
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:28:47.320 --> 01:28:50.160
Our next caller is
Jessica Hines a rate payer.
01:28:50.160 --> 01:28:51.010
You may go ahead.
01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:53.353
Yes, I'm here.
01:28:53.353 --> 01:28:54.186
Hello.
01:28:55.200 --> 01:28:58.570
My name is Jessica Hines
and I lived in San Elijo Hills
01:28:58.570 --> 01:29:02.280
for 13 years and I've
been evacuated twice.
01:29:02.280 --> 01:29:04.830
Most recently in the Coco's fire.
01:29:04.830 --> 01:29:09.770
And I can verify the
previous caller's statements
01:29:09.770 --> 01:29:13.020
regarding the difficulty and being stuck
01:29:13.020 --> 01:29:16.680
on San Elijo Boulevard
for over an hour, not moving
01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:21.480
because so many people are
using the same route to evacuate.
01:29:22.750 --> 01:29:27.350
PSE requested staff, to
evaluate the SDG&E proposal
01:29:27.350 --> 01:29:29.560
on a agenda item 10.
01:29:30.919 --> 01:29:34.640
The report is inadequate
and misleading in many,
01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:36.140
many respects.
01:29:36.140 --> 01:29:38.480
As detailed in the city of San Marcos
01:29:38.480 --> 01:29:40.570
most recent brief to you,
01:29:40.570 --> 01:29:44.085
the staff didn't consider
community values and concerns
01:29:44.085 --> 01:29:48.430
in determining that there
was no significant risk
01:29:48.430 --> 01:29:49.800
to the environment.
01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:53.858
They ignored over a thousand
public comments from residents
01:29:53.858 --> 01:29:57.230
regarding threats to
the safety, quality of life,
01:29:57.230 --> 01:30:01.870
views and the protection
of wildlife in the areas
01:30:01.870 --> 01:30:03.460
of our community.
01:30:03.460 --> 01:30:08.240
The wildlife, many of the
species here are protected,
01:30:08.240 --> 01:30:10.560
and you have a fire going through,
01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:14.010
those protected
species will not survive.
01:30:14.010 --> 01:30:17.330
The threat of that problem will continue
01:30:17.330 --> 01:30:19.280
starting with the construction
01:30:19.280 --> 01:30:21.610
and continue for our lifetime.
01:30:21.610 --> 01:30:24.440
I was very concerned that staff ignored
01:30:24.440 --> 01:30:28.060
the city of San
Marcos' official decision
01:30:28.060 --> 01:30:29.440
to oppose the plan.
01:30:29.440 --> 01:30:32.710
The city's vested with
authority under the constitution
01:30:32.710 --> 01:30:35.590
to protect the health and
safety of their residents,
01:30:35.590 --> 01:30:39.110
yet their information
and reports to the staff
01:30:39.110 --> 01:30:41.190
have been largely ignored.
01:30:41.190 --> 01:30:46.190
I want to point out that 80%
of the new proposed plan
01:30:46.220 --> 01:30:51.220
for lines goes through dense
foliage and wild fire areas,
01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:56.960
which are considered a high
risk by the city and Cal Fire.
01:30:57.710 --> 01:30:59.710
And it's not just risk of fires,
01:31:01.834 --> 01:31:05.040
it's also the fact that
any fire not even caused
01:31:05.040 --> 01:31:08.760
by arguing power lines
can lead to brownouts.
01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:12.050
And therefore residents
who rely on ventilators,
01:31:12.050 --> 01:31:16.170
refrigerated medicines
and so on are at risk
01:31:16.170 --> 01:31:19.030
simply because of the overhead lines.
01:31:19.030 --> 01:31:22.390
And underground route,
if seriously evaluated
01:31:22.390 --> 01:31:24.020
would eliminate that problem.
01:31:25.240 --> 01:31:30.240
Many of the views in
San Marcos are a beautiful
01:31:33.155 --> 01:31:35.795
ocean views and the
photos used by staff--
01:31:35.795 --> 01:31:38.610
Can you please
conclude your remarks,
01:31:38.610 --> 01:31:41.040
you're over your two minute time period.
01:31:41.040 --> 01:31:42.660
Okay, I sure will.
01:31:42.660 --> 01:31:45.940
The staff report is so inaccurate.
01:31:45.940 --> 01:31:49.650
It appears to me that it was
prepared with actual bias
01:31:49.650 --> 01:31:51.780
against the residents of the city.
01:31:51.780 --> 01:31:56.130
And so the PUC should
definitely require a full EIR
01:31:56.130 --> 01:31:57.210
be completed.
01:31:57.210 --> 01:31:58.940
Thank you for your time, bye.
01:32:03.040 --> 01:32:04.070
Thank you.
01:32:04.070 --> 01:32:05.720
Operator the next caller, please.
01:32:07.870 --> 01:32:09.650
Our next caller
is Howard Glickman,
01:32:09.650 --> 01:32:12.690
a San Elijo Hills
community board member.
01:32:12.690 --> 01:32:13.790
Sir, you may go ahead.
01:32:14.753 --> 01:32:15.757
Good morning, gentlemen.
01:32:15.757 --> 01:32:16.590
Thank you for your time.
01:32:16.590 --> 01:32:17.860
I know you're pressed and very busy.
01:32:18.770 --> 01:32:21.300
I'm a member of the
San Elijo Hills community.
01:32:21.300 --> 01:32:24.836
I sit on the HOA here in
San Marcos in the village
01:32:24.836 --> 01:32:28.020
in San Elijo Hills.
01:32:31.076 --> 01:32:33.155
I read the report, I
read the documentation.
01:32:33.155 --> 01:32:35.460
I listen to all the previous comments
01:32:35.460 --> 01:32:37.460
for the last 90 minutes.
01:32:37.460 --> 01:32:41.090
And to me, this is about
one thing and one thing only,
01:32:41.090 --> 01:32:46.090
why would you ignore totally
the fire and safety concerns
01:32:47.580 --> 01:32:49.610
of the members of this community?
01:32:49.610 --> 01:32:52.820
Why would you re ignore
the health and wellbeing
01:32:52.820 --> 01:32:54.494
of the residents here?
01:32:54.494 --> 01:32:57.790
If nothing else, you're
about to make a decision,
01:32:57.790 --> 01:33:00.710
which is going to have an
impact for years to come,
01:33:00.710 --> 01:33:01.660
decades to come.
01:33:02.570 --> 01:33:06.540
Why not sit back, take a
breath, let this go through
01:33:06.540 --> 01:33:08.310
its normal process.
01:33:08.310 --> 01:33:12.230
Please, I beg upon you
and initiate the environmental
01:33:12.230 --> 01:33:15.070
impact report and let these individuals
01:33:15.070 --> 01:33:19.080
whose whole reason
for being is to do research
01:33:19.080 --> 01:33:24.080
and to come to a timely, not
emotionally filled conclusion,
01:33:24.510 --> 01:33:26.720
but a fact-based conclusion.
01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:29.040
Don't make a decision
today, which is going to have
01:33:29.040 --> 01:33:31.100
an impact for centuries to come.
01:33:31.980 --> 01:33:34.790
I ask you close your eyes right now,
01:33:34.790 --> 01:33:37.170
close your eyes and envision.
01:33:37.170 --> 01:33:39.378
There are only two means of egress
01:33:39.378 --> 01:33:40.211
to get out of this community.
01:33:40.211 --> 01:33:41.800
One is going West towards the ocean,
01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:45.530
one is going East towards Escondido.
01:33:45.530 --> 01:33:49.210
If one of those means of
egress are totally blocked,
01:33:49.210 --> 01:33:52.410
because we now have 18
individual high tension power lines,
01:33:53.420 --> 01:33:57.490
how are 10,000 residents
going to be evacuated from here?
01:33:57.490 --> 01:34:00.740
The answer is they're not
going to be evacuated from here.
01:34:00.740 --> 01:34:03.710
And in your hands right
now, you have the power
01:34:03.710 --> 01:34:05.640
to do something about that.
01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:07.780
You have the power
to put this to the people
01:34:07.780 --> 01:34:10.690
who know better, not to
the people who are just trying
01:34:10.690 --> 01:34:12.020
to push a piece of paper away
01:34:12.020 --> 01:34:14.190
because they're probably
understaffed and underpaid
01:34:14.190 --> 01:34:16.372
and let's move on to the next issue.
01:34:16.372 --> 01:34:18.550
I appreciate it.
01:34:18.550 --> 01:34:20.020
My time is up.
01:34:20.020 --> 01:34:21.690
Close your eyes and ask yourself,
01:34:21.690 --> 01:34:24.110
would you want to live in a community
01:34:24.110 --> 01:34:29.110
where your daily existence
might be extremely
01:34:29.470 --> 01:34:33.250
negatively impacted by decision
you're gonna make today?
01:34:34.550 --> 01:34:36.280
And I just let the
thing take its course.
01:34:36.280 --> 01:34:37.480
Thank you for your time.
01:34:39.210 --> 01:34:41.332
Thank you for your call.
01:34:41.332 --> 01:34:42.832
Operator, next caller, please.
01:34:45.207 --> 01:34:47.460
Our next
caller is Tanya Ingrid,
01:34:48.531 --> 01:34:50.430
a Rancho Dorado resident.
01:34:50.430 --> 01:34:51.794
You may go ahead.
01:34:51.794 --> 01:34:52.972
Thank you.
01:34:52.972 --> 01:34:55.252
Again, this is on agenda item 10.
01:34:55.252 --> 01:34:58.400
Besides all the aesthetics
that people talked about
01:34:58.400 --> 01:35:02.520
and property value, my first
concern is the fire concern.
01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:07.023
The community in San
Marcos at this time has affected
01:35:09.490 --> 01:35:11.170
our fire insurance.
01:35:11.170 --> 01:35:15.830
We were canceled, we had
to find an insurance company
01:35:15.830 --> 01:35:17.490
that would cover us.
01:35:17.490 --> 01:35:21.040
Life is important and
environmental impact report
01:35:21.040 --> 01:35:23.080
should be essential.
01:35:23.080 --> 01:35:27.090
Wildfire risk is high in our
San Marcos community.
01:35:27.090 --> 01:35:31.760
We have experienced extreme
wildfires in our community.
01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:36.009
We need an EIR redirect
lines underground.
01:35:36.009 --> 01:35:39.300
Money should not be the first concern.
01:35:39.300 --> 01:35:42.990
We have multiple
evacuations in San Marcos.
01:35:42.990 --> 01:35:46.790
Schools, property are in
danger, people are in danger.
01:35:48.320 --> 01:35:51.000
The project traverses in our community
01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:53.870
is in the highest possible risk zone,
01:35:53.870 --> 01:35:56.140
determined by Cal Fire.
01:35:56.140 --> 01:35:59.149
We need to consider
alternative projects.
01:35:59.149 --> 01:36:04.149
And I stress that underground
lines would be an alternative.
01:36:05.070 --> 01:36:05.903
Thank you.
01:36:08.730 --> 01:36:09.730
Thank you, caller.
01:36:11.006 --> 01:36:11.839
The next caller, please
01:36:13.610 --> 01:36:16.400
Our next
caller is Michael Dosal,
01:36:16.400 --> 01:36:18.070
a San Elijo resident.
01:36:19.046 --> 01:36:20.270
You may go ahead, sir.
01:36:20.270 --> 01:36:21.330
Yes, good morning.
01:36:22.203 --> 01:36:23.036
Thank you so much.
01:36:23.036 --> 01:36:25.810
My name is Michael
Dosal, I'm a new homeowner
01:36:26.670 --> 01:36:28.047
and residence in San Elijo.
01:36:28.047 --> 01:36:30.809
My wife and I just moved
in, I'm calling about item 10.
01:36:30.809 --> 01:36:34.370
I don't have like a pre
prepared speech or really
01:36:34.370 --> 01:36:37.840
any kind of facts or
anything as far as really doing
01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:40.310
a lot of research, like some
of the other callers have.
01:36:40.310 --> 01:36:42.640
I can tell you when I
moved in, it was very difficult
01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:45.520
to get homeowners insurance
because of the high fire area.
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:47.470
Obviously we all live in California,
01:36:47.470 --> 01:36:49.730
we know the risk of wildfire.
01:36:49.730 --> 01:36:52.926
But personally, I mean,
I'm a civil engineer.
01:36:52.926 --> 01:36:55.540
We do EIRs all the time.
01:36:55.540 --> 01:36:58.790
It's pretty standard when
doing major projects.
01:36:58.790 --> 01:37:01.210
Given the amount of fires,
we look at the state right now
01:37:01.210 --> 01:37:04.269
of how many fires are
currently are the active fires.
01:37:04.269 --> 01:37:07.050
I'm concerned, I live
there and I'm concerned
01:37:07.050 --> 01:37:08.880
for the safety of myself and my wife.
01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:10.748
And we don't have any children,
01:37:10.748 --> 01:37:11.581
but we have some four children.
01:37:11.581 --> 01:37:13.389
And obviously I'm
concerned with them as well.
01:37:13.389 --> 01:37:15.510
I appreciate you guys taking the time
01:37:15.510 --> 01:37:17.220
to really listen to everyone.
01:37:17.220 --> 01:37:19.571
It's what our democracy is based off.
01:37:19.571 --> 01:37:21.020
I know it's sometimes tough
to hear everyone's opinions
01:37:21.020 --> 01:37:23.927
and discussions, but it's so important.
01:37:23.927 --> 01:37:26.080
I can tell you in my line of work,
01:37:26.080 --> 01:37:30.210
a lot of what EIR is
determined is the right way
01:37:30.210 --> 01:37:33.190
to do things is in sometimes
the most cost effective.
01:37:33.190 --> 01:37:35.400
I understand that there are
private companies out there
01:37:35.400 --> 01:37:36.969
that...
01:37:36.969 --> 01:37:38.640
I work for private
company and everything
01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:40.650
is a lot of costs related.
01:37:40.650 --> 01:37:44.590
But I think there's some common
sense things we can do here
01:37:44.590 --> 01:37:46.090
to make the community more safe.
01:37:46.090 --> 01:37:48.290
I understand we need energy.
01:37:48.290 --> 01:37:51.550
But it doesn't make
sense to have any more
01:37:51.550 --> 01:37:52.990
overground power lines.
01:37:52.990 --> 01:37:55.020
If it costs more to
put them underground,
01:37:56.119 --> 01:37:56.952
it's the right thing do to
keep the community safe.
01:37:56.952 --> 01:37:58.520
I'll leave you on this.
01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:00.360
I always kind of live and die by this
01:38:00.360 --> 01:38:02.940
when in my work life and personal life.
01:38:02.940 --> 01:38:05.740
Einstein once said doing
the same thing over and over
01:38:05.740 --> 01:38:08.540
and expecting different
results is definition of insanity.
01:38:08.540 --> 01:38:11.241
We know these power
lines that go over land
01:38:11.241 --> 01:38:13.590
and aren't underground cause issues,
01:38:13.590 --> 01:38:15.730
it doesn't make any
sense to put more in.
01:38:16.776 --> 01:38:18.134
So thank you again.
01:38:18.134 --> 01:38:18.967
I really appreciate you
guys taking time to listen
01:38:18.967 --> 01:38:23.440
to everyone and please definitely (beep)
01:38:23.440 --> 01:38:24.273
Thank you.
01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:29.090
Thank you caller.
01:38:29.090 --> 01:38:30.090
Next caller, please.
01:38:32.190 --> 01:38:34.240
Our next
caller is Tiffany Lena,
01:38:34.240 --> 01:38:36.560
a San Elijo Hills resident.
01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:37.410
You may go ahead.
01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:41.620
Hi, my
name is Tiffany Lena.
01:38:41.620 --> 01:38:45.460
I a citizen of Santa
Elijo since March, 2001.
01:38:45.460 --> 01:38:48.060
And I'm calling in reference
to agenda number 10.
01:38:48.060 --> 01:38:50.660
And you can probably
guess I'm not in support of it.
01:38:51.610 --> 01:38:53.740
I wrote a lot of things,
but I think my neighbors
01:38:53.740 --> 01:38:56.670
have done an excellent job of explaining
01:38:57.570 --> 01:39:00.249
that there's a fire danger
here and that these lines
01:39:00.249 --> 01:39:03.910
pose a huge danger to our community.
01:39:03.910 --> 01:39:07.530
I can't believe in 2020,
I'm actually having to argue
01:39:07.530 --> 01:39:10.980
the cost of human life
versus a business cost.
01:39:10.980 --> 01:39:12.411
But here goes.
01:39:12.411 --> 01:39:16.410
My dad's house burned
down in the Cedar fire of 2003
01:39:16.410 --> 01:39:17.980
and he was traveling at the time.
01:39:17.980 --> 01:39:19.570
Otherwise he likely would have died
01:39:19.570 --> 01:39:24.230
because the Santa Ana
winds fueling that fire
01:39:24.230 --> 01:39:27.310
burned at a rate of
3,600 acres per hour,
01:39:27.310 --> 01:39:29.260
that's about five square miles.
01:39:29.260 --> 01:39:33.947
As Irene told you, her the
lines are about 100 yards,
01:39:35.320 --> 01:39:36.390
I don't remember what she said,
01:39:36.390 --> 01:39:38.800
but the throwing
distance from her house.
01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:41.900
That means that if a fire
starts from these lines,
01:39:41.900 --> 01:39:45.240
nobody will have time
to get out, people will die.
01:39:45.240 --> 01:39:47.330
I'm not exaggerating.
01:39:47.330 --> 01:39:52.330
And we've evacuated three
times since we moved here.
01:39:52.590 --> 01:39:55.050
The last time, I didn't
think I was gonna get out
01:39:55.050 --> 01:39:58.080
because there were so many fires burning
01:39:58.080 --> 01:40:01.060
over North County, San
Diego, that it seemed
01:40:01.060 --> 01:40:04.103
that the fire resources were all busy.
01:40:04.103 --> 01:40:05.890
In fact, I had a contractor
working at my house.
01:40:05.890 --> 01:40:08.150
He ran out of his house
yelling that a fire was near
01:40:08.150 --> 01:40:09.770
his daughter's school.
01:40:09.770 --> 01:40:12.980
I'm not one to wait
and see what happens.
01:40:12.980 --> 01:40:14.840
So we got on the road and we got out,
01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:17.990
but I have plenty of friends
who were stuck in traffic
01:40:17.990 --> 01:40:19.210
for hours.
01:40:19.210 --> 01:40:22.140
So I guess what I really
wanna leave you with
01:40:22.140 --> 01:40:27.009
is that you have a lot of
information and evidence today
01:40:27.009 --> 01:40:31.660
that the reports and mitigation
suggestions downplaying
01:40:31.660 --> 01:40:35.360
the potential fire danger
and loss to life and property
01:40:35.360 --> 01:40:39.070
are at best inaccurate
and at worst untrue
01:40:39.070 --> 01:40:41.040
and grossly negligent.
01:40:41.040 --> 01:40:44.490
And if you, as an
agency make a decision,
01:40:44.490 --> 01:40:46.640
the in favor of this project,
01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:49.240
that's based on the
inaccurate information.
01:40:49.240 --> 01:40:51.090
You're part of the problem.
01:40:51.090 --> 01:40:56.090
And I appreciate you listening
to me and taking all this
01:40:56.250 --> 01:40:58.205
into consideration.
01:40:58.205 --> 01:40:59.624
But you can't make a positive decision
01:40:59.624 --> 01:41:02.730
based on inaccurate
and untrue information.
01:41:02.730 --> 01:41:03.563
Thank you.
01:41:05.470 --> 01:41:07.030
Thank you, caller.
01:41:07.030 --> 01:41:08.570
Operator, next caller, please.
01:41:10.810 --> 01:41:14.960
Our next caller
is (audio glitch)
01:41:17.009 --> 01:41:18.370
a Rancho Dorado resident.
01:41:18.370 --> 01:41:19.470
You may go ahead, sir.
01:41:21.728 --> 01:41:24.582
Good morning,
this is Dr. (audio glitch)
01:41:24.582 --> 01:41:25.415
I guess I'm an acoustical consultant
01:41:25.415 --> 01:41:28.170
and I'm calling also
about item number 10.
01:41:31.892 --> 01:41:35.687
SDG&E should not be
allowed to build those lines
01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:41.200
without first going through an
environmental impact review.
01:41:42.220 --> 01:41:47.220
SDG&E has already touted the importance
01:41:47.950 --> 01:41:50.990
of underground lines in an
article that they published
01:41:50.990 --> 01:41:54.554
their own website on
December of last year,
01:41:54.554 --> 01:41:58.810
saying how important it
is to do underground lines
01:41:58.810 --> 01:42:03.810
in Julian and celebrating
the wildfire risk reduction
01:42:05.618 --> 01:42:07.880
and energy efficiency benefits.
01:42:08.860 --> 01:42:13.860
SDG&E in their report, they
claim that they don't have
01:42:14.993 --> 01:42:16.510
to explore alternative
because they only do that
01:42:16.510 --> 01:42:21.310
if there is an environmental
impact review.
01:42:21.310 --> 01:42:23.510
And then they say they do not get to do
01:42:23.510 --> 01:42:25.610
an environmental impact review because
01:42:25.610 --> 01:42:28.290
they danger introduced
is not significant.
01:42:28.290 --> 01:42:32.027
It's not significant because
the danger already is high.
01:42:32.027 --> 01:42:35.060
Of course, this is true,
the danger is already high
01:42:35.060 --> 01:42:37.490
for fire, but because of fire lines,
01:42:38.470 --> 01:42:42.010
it has been published in
the LA times and other outlets
01:42:42.010 --> 01:42:44.640
several times over the last year,
01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:48.330
how a power line failures
have been the cause
01:42:49.173 --> 01:42:51.360
of the largest fires in
the history of California.
01:42:51.360 --> 01:42:54.000
So fire is the cause of it,
01:42:55.274 --> 01:42:59.280
I mean, power lines are the
cause of fire ignition danger.
01:42:59.280 --> 01:43:03.170
Therefore an environmental
impact report is necessitated
01:43:03.170 --> 01:43:05.380
because the product will increase.
01:43:05.380 --> 01:43:09.334
The fire risks, which is already
high because of fire lines.
01:43:09.334 --> 01:43:14.334
Please vote no on item 10
and request more mandate
01:43:19.017 --> 01:43:22.012
environmental impact review
to proceed any new steps.
01:43:22.012 --> 01:43:24.350
Thank you very much.
01:43:24.350 --> 01:43:25.870
Thank you caller.
01:43:25.870 --> 01:43:27.570
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:43:30.710 --> 01:43:32.760
Our next
caller is James Canton,
01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:33.730
a rate payer.
01:43:36.652 --> 01:43:37.836
Sir, you may go ahead.
01:43:37.836 --> 01:43:42.836
I would start with
referencing agenda item 10
01:43:44.750 --> 01:43:48.770
and the Commission to vote no.
01:43:48.770 --> 01:43:53.510
And to definitely pursue an EIR.
01:43:55.356 --> 01:44:00.333
I would also offer as a
engineer and retired executive
01:44:01.933 --> 01:44:05.790
three areas that I hope would compliment
01:44:05.790 --> 01:44:10.330
what my numbers have
already so eloquently stated.
01:44:10.330 --> 01:44:14.120
One is that an area we're overlooking
01:44:14.120 --> 01:44:19.120
is there is a retired landfill,
bottom of San Elijo Hills,
01:44:19.940 --> 01:44:23.490
which is currently producing
somewhere in the neighborhood
01:44:23.490 --> 01:44:27.560
of about 40 tons of methane gas
01:44:28.531 --> 01:44:33.080
that is being extensively
used to drive power generators.
01:44:33.080 --> 01:44:37.332
But if there was a fire
to go on or to occur,
01:44:37.332 --> 01:44:40.890
that would not necessarily be something
01:44:40.890 --> 01:44:43.130
that would be controllable.
01:44:43.130 --> 01:44:47.731
Second, I would say that
from a financial perspective,
01:44:47.731 --> 01:44:52.731
SDG&E parent company
has doubled its earnings
01:44:54.280 --> 01:44:57.510
in the last two years, and I
have no problem with that,
01:44:58.914 --> 01:45:01.794
but that's clearly
indicative of a company
01:45:01.794 --> 01:45:02.690
that's doing very well.
01:45:02.690 --> 01:45:05.300
And then the third, I
always look to the leadership.
01:45:06.652 --> 01:45:11.070
And in this case, the CEO
has tripled his earnings
01:45:11.070 --> 01:45:15.810
in the last three years
where he is now at $12 million
01:45:15.810 --> 01:45:18.110
as of last year.
01:45:18.110 --> 01:45:21.090
He doesn't live in our
area, he lives in the Mission
01:45:21.090 --> 01:45:25.380
Bay area, which is probably
the least fire prone area.
01:45:25.380 --> 01:45:30.380
And so I think the CPUC
should be taking all of that
01:45:33.820 --> 01:45:37.700
into consideration in
terms of your informed
01:45:37.700 --> 01:45:39.250
and wise decision on this.
01:45:40.230 --> 01:45:41.063
Thank you.
01:45:43.380 --> 01:45:45.020
Thank you, sir.
01:45:45.020 --> 01:45:46.020
Next caller, please.
01:45:48.730 --> 01:45:51.280
Our next
caller is Ramona Powell,
01:45:51.280 --> 01:45:53.030
San Elijo Hills.
01:45:53.030 --> 01:45:53.880
The line is open.
01:45:55.852 --> 01:45:56.685
Yes, hi, can you hear me?
01:45:58.050 --> 01:45:58.883
Yes, we can.
01:46:00.307 --> 01:46:01.260
Good morning
to view Commissioners.
01:46:01.260 --> 01:46:03.752
I'm calling regarding
agenda item 10 as well.
01:46:03.752 --> 01:46:07.374
Thank you for considering
our concerns today.
01:46:07.374 --> 01:46:08.207
My name is Ramona Powell.
01:46:08.207 --> 01:46:11.460
My family has lived in
San Elijo Hills for 16 years
01:46:11.460 --> 01:46:14.520
and in Rancho Dorado
for three years before that.
01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:16.940
In that time we've been
evacuated five times
01:46:16.940 --> 01:46:18.840
due to wildfire in San Marcos.
01:46:19.710 --> 01:46:22.572
During the last evacuation in 2014,
01:46:22.572 --> 01:46:25.260
Tuneups Valley road was closed one way
01:46:25.260 --> 01:46:27.300
and evacuating was impossible.
01:46:27.300 --> 01:46:28.510
We had one way out.
01:46:29.590 --> 01:46:31.930
Cars were lined up bumper
to bumper along San Elijo road
01:46:31.930 --> 01:46:35.880
while fire was coming up
the Hill on double peak park.
01:46:35.880 --> 01:46:39.372
I remember looking at my
17 year old daughter in the car
01:46:39.372 --> 01:46:41.432
in front of me and thinking
maybe we should get out
01:46:41.432 --> 01:46:44.213
of our cars and run down San Elijo road
01:46:44.213 --> 01:46:46.030
before the flames overtook us.
01:46:46.030 --> 01:46:48.610
We were on the news
immediately after that fire
01:46:48.610 --> 01:46:52.620
as a community not prepare
for evacuation in case of a fire.
01:46:52.620 --> 01:46:54.730
We also are a documented fire prone area
01:46:54.730 --> 01:46:57.274
with multiple devastating
fires in their history.
01:46:57.274 --> 01:46:59.560
Since the Coco's fire of 2014,
01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:01.800
over a thousand homes
and an additional school
01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:05.020
had been built along
that same San Elijo road
01:47:05.020 --> 01:47:07.790
with no improvements
in evacuation routes.
01:47:07.790 --> 01:47:09.620
As it is, we cannot find
insurance companies
01:47:09.620 --> 01:47:12.380
to underwrite the policies on our home.
01:47:12.380 --> 01:47:15.212
We could only find one
company to write a policy.
01:47:15.212 --> 01:47:19.110
This project will make it
impossible to secure insurance
01:47:19.110 --> 01:47:21.390
for you and your vote
today are the only thing
01:47:21.390 --> 01:47:24.080
standing between us
and the next fire disaster,
01:47:24.080 --> 01:47:26.310
costing us homes and lives.
01:47:26.310 --> 01:47:28.860
Please do not vote in favor
of the dishonest callous
01:47:28.860 --> 01:47:30.540
and ingredient requests of SDG&E.
01:47:31.814 --> 01:47:34.150
Please consider the fact
that an environmental impact
01:47:34.150 --> 01:47:38.160
study will not harm anything
and only provide better data
01:47:38.160 --> 01:47:39.460
with which to make a decision
01:47:39.460 --> 01:47:41.740
on this very high risk project.
01:47:41.740 --> 01:47:43.920
Property volumes will be impacted
01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:45.980
and so will the aesthetics
of our community,
01:47:45.980 --> 01:47:48.210
but that's not in any way
the number one concern
01:47:48.210 --> 01:47:49.750
at this point.
01:47:49.750 --> 01:47:53.290
The residents of Saint
Elijo Hills are sitting ducks.
01:47:53.290 --> 01:47:55.800
We are pleading with you
to vote against this expansion
01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:58.440
of power lines and for
the many, many families
01:47:58.440 --> 01:48:01.930
in this community,
counting on you today.
01:48:01.930 --> 01:48:03.393
(beep)
01:48:03.393 --> 01:48:07.990
Please, please consider
voting for the best interests
01:48:08.931 --> 01:48:10.452
of the people in this community
01:48:10.452 --> 01:48:12.110
and not a for a profit company.
01:48:12.110 --> 01:48:13.010
Thank you so much.
01:48:14.380 --> 01:48:15.213
Thank you,
01:48:16.100 --> 01:48:17.800
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:48:21.209 --> 01:48:24.167
The next caller
is David Exner a citizen.
01:48:24.167 --> 01:48:26.000
Sir, you may go ahead.
01:48:27.530 --> 01:48:28.363
Hi there, can you hear me?
01:48:30.686 --> 01:48:32.440
Yes, we can.
01:48:32.440 --> 01:48:34.070
Hey, thanks for your time.
01:48:34.070 --> 01:48:37.790
I think pretty much everybody
else has kind of spoken
01:48:37.790 --> 01:48:41.065
my thoughts, so I just kind of figured,
01:48:41.065 --> 01:48:43.560
I'd say maybe don't be
like what my wife says,
01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:45.510
I'm like penny wise, pound foolish.
01:48:47.085 --> 01:48:49.590
And let's just take the
right forward thinking
01:48:49.590 --> 01:48:53.366
kind of steps here. I mean,
$30 million to underground
01:48:53.366 --> 01:48:55.740
power lines.
01:48:55.740 --> 01:48:58.620
And then you look up at the campfire
01:48:58.620 --> 01:49:01.730
and how much in damages, $16.5 billion.
01:49:02.741 --> 01:49:07.043
It just seems like the
state that we live in,
01:49:07.043 --> 01:49:09.060
like we should be the leader in moving
01:49:09.060 --> 01:49:10.490
in the right direction.
01:49:10.490 --> 01:49:14.100
There should be no more new
power lines should be going up.
01:49:14.100 --> 01:49:16.850
It just seems absurd in this day and age
01:49:16.850 --> 01:49:19.105
with what's happening right now,
01:49:19.105 --> 01:49:21.770
today that we're talking about
putting up more power lines.
01:49:21.770 --> 01:49:24.840
It's just nuts, I mean, SDG&E
will make money off of it
01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:27.810
because they make money
maintaining power lines.
01:49:27.810 --> 01:49:30.710
So if they underground,
that means, "Oh no, it works.
01:49:30.710 --> 01:49:33.722
"And there's nothing to fix
'cause it's all underground."
01:49:33.722 --> 01:49:38.070
So, I stand with everyone else.
01:49:38.070 --> 01:49:42.030
I'm against this project line item 10,
01:49:42.030 --> 01:49:44.000
the timeline project and San Marcos.
01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:46.680
And yeah, thank you for your time,
01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:47.920
I'm glad you listened to all of us.
01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:50.910
It seems like there's a lot
of us that take serious issue
01:49:50.910 --> 01:49:52.760
with this entire project.
01:49:52.760 --> 01:49:54.670
So thanks again for your time.
01:49:56.870 --> 01:49:58.520
Thank you for your call.
01:49:58.520 --> 01:49:59.970
Operator, next caller, please
01:50:01.820 --> 01:50:03.720
Our next
caller is Pamela Lopez
01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:05.700
with True Connect, you may go ahead.
01:50:12.480 --> 01:50:13.530
Thank you.
01:50:14.459 --> 01:50:19.459
I am calling regarding
agenda item number 11,
01:50:20.820 --> 01:50:24.710
which is on the consent calendar.
01:50:24.710 --> 01:50:29.710
We are very concerned
about the item 18691,
01:50:35.226 --> 01:50:37.026
which would adopt resolution T--
01:50:37.026 --> 01:50:39.790
Excuse me, ma'am,
this is Anne Simon,
01:50:39.790 --> 01:50:42.560
the chief Administrative Law Judge.
01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:45.824
You're representing a
party in this proceeding.
01:50:45.824 --> 01:50:47.421
Is that correct?
01:50:47.421 --> 01:50:49.670
Yes,
representing True Connect.
01:50:49.670 --> 01:50:51.780
I'm sorry, ma'am but
the Commission's rules
01:50:51.780 --> 01:50:54.420
do not allow parties to open proceedings
01:50:54.420 --> 01:50:59.420
to comment on them during
the public comment period.
01:50:59.460 --> 01:51:00.460
Very well.
01:51:02.730 --> 01:51:03.563
Thank you.
01:51:08.501 --> 01:51:09.720
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:51:10.870 --> 01:51:13.970
Our next
caller is Alexis Avudo,
01:51:13.970 --> 01:51:16.770
a San Elijo Hills residents,
you may go ahead.
01:51:18.390 --> 01:51:20.540
Yes, I'm calling
with regards to agenda
01:51:20.540 --> 01:51:21.720
item number 10.
01:51:23.161 --> 01:51:24.610
I'm a San Elijo Hills resident.
01:51:24.610 --> 01:51:27.620
I currently live in the
area where already
01:51:27.620 --> 01:51:29.610
there's an existing power line.
01:51:29.610 --> 01:51:32.890
It also, they raised running
through the existing habitat
01:51:32.890 --> 01:51:35.390
preservation area that
links up with the Escondido
01:51:35.390 --> 01:51:37.190
Conservancy Creek area.
01:51:38.190 --> 01:51:40.570
If these power lines were fully approved
01:51:40.570 --> 01:51:43.420
without having a full
environmental impact report,
01:51:43.420 --> 01:51:47.379
there would be an increase
in the sizing of these power
01:51:47.379 --> 01:51:49.579
lines in addition,
because I live in an area
01:51:51.099 --> 01:51:51.932
that literally butts up my backyard
01:51:51.932 --> 01:51:55.180
to a preservation area, I
am not allowed to remove
01:51:55.180 --> 01:51:57.910
or mitigate any of the brush area.
01:51:57.910 --> 01:52:00.830
Therefore that puts my
home at even greater risk.
01:52:00.830 --> 01:52:04.420
In 2014, my entire family
had to evacuate them.
01:52:04.420 --> 01:52:06.590
Then my son was very little at the time,
01:52:07.940 --> 01:52:09.241
as well as my children.
01:52:09.241 --> 01:52:11.232
It took us over an hour
to leave this community.
01:52:11.232 --> 01:52:14.770
Since then, we have
had other smaller fires
01:52:14.770 --> 01:52:16.970
that have had to been put out.
01:52:16.970 --> 01:52:20.010
And because again, we
are surrounded by brush
01:52:20.010 --> 01:52:22.410
and the power line, the risk is high
01:52:22.410 --> 01:52:25.180
and we are always ready
to evacuate if needed,
01:52:25.180 --> 01:52:27.450
because we understand how long it takes
01:52:27.450 --> 01:52:30.481
for over an hour vehicle
watch the plane go.
01:52:30.481 --> 01:52:35.481
And they would cheer
as each of the planes over
01:52:36.110 --> 01:52:38.820
would pull down water
or flame retardant.
01:52:38.820 --> 01:52:40.520
And when we made our ultimate turn
01:52:41.418 --> 01:52:43.180
where we can no
longer turn back and see,
01:52:43.180 --> 01:52:45.430
but we're still locked in gridlock,
01:52:45.430 --> 01:52:47.330
we could see the sky just redden
01:52:47.330 --> 01:52:49.920
and fires continue onwards.
01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:53.150
The power lines that
will then be expanded,
01:52:53.150 --> 01:52:55.700
would create a bigger fire danger,
01:52:55.700 --> 01:52:59.020
as well as whenever
the winds are substantial,
01:52:59.020 --> 01:53:01.200
such as this current Santa Ana,
01:53:01.200 --> 01:53:03.500
the power grid is been turned off.
01:53:03.500 --> 01:53:06.130
How will we have access
to the medical equipment
01:53:06.130 --> 01:53:10.300
that we need in my house
or any form of communication
01:53:10.300 --> 01:53:13.177
that we need if these
power lines are turned off,
01:53:13.177 --> 01:53:15.000
just because of the high
winds that come through
01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:17.280
and the need to turn them off
01:53:17.280 --> 01:53:19.010
because of the potential fire danger.
01:53:19.010 --> 01:53:20.530
The risk is great.
01:53:20.530 --> 01:53:23.640
This community cannot
(beep) another long fire.
01:53:23.640 --> 01:53:26.610
Please, we implore you to look
01:53:27.480 --> 01:53:29.100
at a full environmental impact report
01:53:29.100 --> 01:53:30.600
before you make this decision.
01:53:31.538 --> 01:53:32.371
Thank you very much for your time.
01:53:33.420 --> 01:53:35.240
Thank you for your call.
01:53:35.240 --> 01:53:36.940
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:41.920
Our next caller
is Jerry Block, a rate payer.
01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:43.120
Jerry, you may go ahead.
01:53:44.250 --> 01:53:45.790
Hi, thank you very much.
01:53:45.790 --> 01:53:48.942
Thank you board for
doing this for everybody
01:53:48.942 --> 01:53:53.210
because the CPUC is
responsible to protect the lives
01:53:53.210 --> 01:53:55.370
and the property at reasonable costs,
01:53:56.320 --> 01:53:59.670
I do believe it is better to do an EIR
01:53:59.670 --> 01:54:04.670
instead of an uninformed
decision, which now may cost lives.
01:54:04.710 --> 01:54:08.660
And of course, increased
rate payers cost.
01:54:08.660 --> 01:54:12.210
The possible SDG&E
bankruptcy could happen.
01:54:14.739 --> 01:54:16.130
And it's quite simple
that the prudent steps
01:54:17.119 --> 01:54:19.540
to higher construction
costs can save dollars
01:54:19.540 --> 01:54:23.020
rather than suffering
unimaginable loss of the future.
01:54:23.020 --> 01:54:26.170
I think about 9 cents to
monthly billings for a short time
01:54:26.170 --> 01:54:29.250
paid for underground
construction of Incan bedded,
01:54:29.250 --> 01:54:32.330
non EIR rate of $90 million.
01:54:32.330 --> 01:54:34.210
More likely about half that cost,
01:54:34.210 --> 01:54:39.210
meaning about maybe 4
cents a month has a public entity
01:54:39.420 --> 01:54:43.080
created by the state to
manage public utilities
01:54:43.080 --> 01:54:44.920
in a fair and impartial manner.
01:54:44.920 --> 01:54:49.590
I ask that you require an EIR
to decide whether or not FDG
01:54:50.939 --> 01:54:53.960
needs cheapest way to erupt
overhead electrical structures,
01:54:53.960 --> 01:54:57.270
which is unknown source
of fires is the right way or not.
01:54:58.250 --> 01:55:01.820
SDG&E by the way, has been
advertising and constructing
01:55:01.820 --> 01:55:05.750
underground utilities for
over 30 years in San Diego
01:55:05.750 --> 01:55:08.510
touting the benefits of
the underground lines,
01:55:09.363 --> 01:55:12.010
such as it's safer in adverse
weather better in case
01:55:12.010 --> 01:55:15.540
there's a car accident,
hitting a pole, human contacts
01:55:15.540 --> 01:55:17.790
and of course fire.
01:55:17.790 --> 01:55:22.350
The comparison between San
Elijo and the campfire remarkable
01:55:22.350 --> 01:55:25.780
about the same population,
three escape routes.
01:55:25.780 --> 01:55:30.780
And as we know SPG&E did
file bankruptcy at $16.5 billion
01:55:33.100 --> 01:55:34.603
worth of damage.
01:55:34.603 --> 01:55:36.520
It's a costly aspire to
date, not just in the state,
01:55:36.520 --> 01:55:38.060
but worldwide.
01:55:38.060 --> 01:55:43.060
85 deaths over 18,000
buildings gone 153,000 acres.
01:55:43.600 --> 01:55:47.610
And on June 16th, PG&E (beep)
01:55:47.610 --> 01:55:51.390
85 counts of involuntary manslaughter.
01:55:51.390 --> 01:55:54.770
So let's go ahead
and get an EIR, please.
01:55:54.770 --> 01:55:55.770
Thank you very much.
01:55:57.940 --> 01:55:58.773
Thank you.
01:56:00.181 --> 01:56:01.260
Operator the next caller, please.
01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:05.210
Next caller is
from Kristen Connelly,
01:56:05.210 --> 01:56:06.960
a San Marcos resident.
01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:07.960
You go ahead, ma'am.
01:56:09.550 --> 01:56:11.282
Thank you.
01:56:11.282 --> 01:56:14.185
Yes, my name is Kristen and
I live in the Santa Elijo Hills,
01:56:14.185 --> 01:56:15.030
neighborhood of San Marcos.
01:56:15.030 --> 01:56:20.030
And I would also like to
address agenda item number 10
01:56:20.110 --> 01:56:24.810
and respectfully request that
you vote to conduct an EIR.
01:56:24.810 --> 01:56:28.090
Commissioners, thank you
for listening to all of us today.
01:56:28.090 --> 01:56:31.750
Like many others you've heard
from I'm extremely concerned
01:56:31.750 --> 01:56:35.390
about the increased risk of wildfires
01:56:35.390 --> 01:56:39.950
in this high wildfire
risks zone that we live in
01:56:39.950 --> 01:56:42.030
as well as the increased difficulty
01:56:42.030 --> 01:56:45.000
in getting home insurance policies
01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:48.260
and the decrease in property values.
01:56:48.260 --> 01:56:51.940
But even though you've
heard all of these, please,
01:56:51.940 --> 01:56:54.490
for those reasons just on its face,
01:56:54.490 --> 01:56:58.410
there are flaws in the
MND that was conducted.
01:56:58.410 --> 01:57:02.530
And it was mentioned before,
but Simmons family park
01:57:02.530 --> 01:57:04.340
is just one of those examples.
01:57:05.281 --> 01:57:07.960
It's a beautiful place
and it's shocking to see
01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:12.960
that one simple photograph
in a unflattering viewpoint
01:57:14.040 --> 01:57:18.306
was used to say that
the aesthetic impact
01:57:18.306 --> 01:57:23.306
would be minimal to and not require
01:57:23.650 --> 01:57:25.740
additional consideration.
01:57:27.359 --> 01:57:30.380
That park is beautiful,
the picture that was taken
01:57:30.380 --> 01:57:34.305
was not taken from the highest
advantage point in the park.
01:57:34.305 --> 01:57:37.510
When you stand there,
there are views all around.
01:57:37.510 --> 01:57:42.350
You can see on a clear
day, you can see islands
01:57:42.350 --> 01:57:46.881
that are 65 miles off the
shore in the Pacific Ocean.
01:57:46.881 --> 01:57:51.881
It's just a wonderful aesthetic place
01:57:54.300 --> 01:57:56.910
in the middle of our neighborhoods.
01:57:56.910 --> 01:58:00.500
And the one picture
that was used was facing
01:58:02.410 --> 01:58:05.830
to the Southwest, and
it's not representative
01:58:05.830 --> 01:58:09.790
of everything that you can
see from that vantage point.
01:58:09.790 --> 01:58:14.790
And the pictures that are
community members sent in
01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:18.340
as mentioned before were dismissed
01:58:18.340 --> 01:58:21.160
as in their consideration.
01:58:21.160 --> 01:58:25.110
So the report was flawed
and I encourage you to please
01:58:25.110 --> 01:58:28.690
just collect more facts,
conducted an EIR,
01:58:28.690 --> 01:58:32.160
listen to everyone
who has calling in today.
01:58:32.160 --> 01:58:33.760
Thank you so much for your time.
01:58:35.253 --> 01:58:36.510
Thank you for your call.
01:58:36.510 --> 01:58:38.070
Operator, next caller, please.
01:58:40.530 --> 01:58:42.900
And the last
caller is Susan Pepper,
01:58:42.900 --> 01:58:45.340
a Rancho Dorado rata resident.
01:58:45.340 --> 01:58:46.540
You may go ahead, ma'am.
01:58:47.570 --> 01:58:49.235
thank you.
01:58:49.235 --> 01:58:50.160
Good morning, Commissioners.
01:58:50.160 --> 01:58:52.552
My family and I live in Rancho Dorado.
01:58:52.552 --> 01:58:56.430
As a former elected
official for 20 years,
01:58:56.430 --> 01:59:00.060
I was a mayor, a chief
deputy for California Governor
01:59:00.060 --> 01:59:02.270
and assistant secretary in Washington DC
01:59:02.270 --> 01:59:03.860
for a former president.
01:59:03.860 --> 01:59:06.600
I certainly understand
how difficult your jobs are
01:59:06.600 --> 01:59:08.750
and I respect what you do.
01:59:08.750 --> 01:59:13.750
But it seems sometimes no
matter what you do, excuse me,
01:59:13.800 --> 01:59:15.520
there's always someone who disagrees
01:59:15.520 --> 01:59:17.400
or they angry with your decision.
01:59:17.400 --> 01:59:21.420
But the one thing I do know
is that you can never go wrong
01:59:21.420 --> 01:59:24.020
when you listen to people
who trust you to help them
01:59:24.020 --> 01:59:27.700
and you vote to protect them.
01:59:27.700 --> 01:59:29.860
One of the most frustrating
and disturbing things
01:59:29.860 --> 01:59:32.240
I've experienced in my professional life
01:59:32.240 --> 01:59:34.660
is when another governmental
entity who I trusted
01:59:34.660 --> 01:59:38.220
to provide me with accurate
information fails to do so.
01:59:39.200 --> 01:59:42.260
SDG&E failing to provide
accurate information
01:59:42.260 --> 01:59:45.030
and omitting critical
information to this Commission
01:59:45.030 --> 01:59:47.990
is the same as
intentionally lying to you.
01:59:47.990 --> 01:59:51.540
There is no excuse for it,
and it is never acceptable.
01:59:51.540 --> 01:59:54.620
One of the most important
requests made by this community is
01:59:54.620 --> 01:59:57.070
to do an EIR or at the very least
01:59:57.070 --> 01:59:59.350
to bury these lines underground.
01:59:59.350 --> 02:00:02.420
The response from SDG&E
has been the supposed expense
02:00:03.475 --> 02:00:04.595
to bury them.
02:00:04.595 --> 02:00:08.580
First, SDG&E hasn't provided
an accurate realistic cost.
02:00:08.580 --> 02:00:11.540
And second, if an accurate
cost were to be factored out
02:00:11.540 --> 02:00:14.590
among all rate payers,
that would be a small cost
02:00:14.590 --> 02:00:16.270
we would be willing to pay,
02:00:16.270 --> 02:00:19.210
especially when faced with
a tragedy and devastation
02:00:19.210 --> 02:00:22.120
of a wildfire caused
by these overhead lines.
02:00:22.120 --> 02:00:24.280
The families in these
communities have desperately
02:00:24.280 --> 02:00:27.160
been trying to tell you
that you do not have full
02:00:27.160 --> 02:00:29.670
and accurate information
about this project.
02:00:29.670 --> 02:00:33.390
We're not only in a high
fire area as SDG&E said,
02:00:33.390 --> 02:00:36.160
we are in the highest fire danger,
02:00:36.160 --> 02:00:38.530
which is submitted by Cal Fire.
02:00:38.530 --> 02:00:41.380
This is an extremely high
risk, dangerous project.
02:00:43.576 --> 02:00:44.899
Please don't wait until this community
02:00:44.899 --> 02:00:46.120
becomes another city of paradise.
02:00:46.120 --> 02:00:48.240
Please, when voting today,
02:00:48.240 --> 02:00:50.040
please do the right
thing for the families
02:00:50.040 --> 02:00:51.400
in this community.
02:00:51.400 --> 02:00:55.250
All we're asking you to
do is to take a step back
02:00:55.250 --> 02:00:57.410
and require an EIR.
02:00:57.410 --> 02:00:58.920
Thank you very much for your time
02:00:58.920 --> 02:01:00.320
and thank you for your help.
02:01:03.740 --> 02:01:04.940
Thank you, Ms. Pepper.
02:01:06.233 --> 02:01:07.933
Operator, the next caller, please.
02:01:09.954 --> 02:01:13.110
Our next caller
is John Lee, a citizen.
02:01:13.110 --> 02:01:14.210
Sir, you may go ahead.
02:01:21.053 --> 02:01:22.074
Is that me?
02:01:22.074 --> 02:01:24.650
This is John Laisat.
02:01:24.650 --> 02:01:27.470
It's really that
you're the next caller.
02:01:27.470 --> 02:01:28.930
Okay.
02:01:28.930 --> 02:01:32.100
Commission, I would
like to point out something
02:01:32.994 --> 02:01:34.695
a little different than
my fellow callers.
02:01:34.695 --> 02:01:36.445
I'm also discussing item number 10.
02:01:37.540 --> 02:01:41.170
The people that have spoken so far,
02:01:41.170 --> 02:01:43.860
I think it's easy to
dismiss their comments
02:01:43.860 --> 02:01:46.240
as sort of nimby nonsense.
02:01:46.240 --> 02:01:50.020
But I urge the Commission
to see the important policy
02:01:50.020 --> 02:01:53.210
considerations that this project raises,
02:01:53.210 --> 02:01:56.040
because the proponent is used the permit
02:01:56.040 --> 02:02:00.517
to construct process, this
Commission is not independently
02:02:00.517 --> 02:02:02.430
evaluated the need for this project.
02:02:02.430 --> 02:02:04.730
And the opponents have
not had an opportunity
02:02:04.730 --> 02:02:07.390
to challenge the need for this project.
02:02:07.390 --> 02:02:10.830
The projections that the
supposed needs for this project
02:02:10.830 --> 02:02:12.702
are based upon are wrong.
02:02:12.702 --> 02:02:15.840
They are going down, not up,
02:02:15.840 --> 02:02:18.630
probably because of the
adoption of distributed solar
02:02:18.630 --> 02:02:19.730
in the area.
02:02:19.730 --> 02:02:22.900
Then this project is not necessary.
02:02:22.900 --> 02:02:25.720
In addition, because the
permit does construct process
02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:28.021
was used and no
consideration of alternatives
02:02:28.021 --> 02:02:32.610
has been conducted and because mitigated
02:02:32.610 --> 02:02:34.870
negative declaration is being adopted,
02:02:37.077 --> 02:02:39.022
no alternatives or
preteen being considered
02:02:39.022 --> 02:02:40.360
through the environmental process.
02:02:40.360 --> 02:02:44.100
As a result, the unnecessary project
02:02:44.100 --> 02:02:48.140
through a Cal Fire designated
high fire threat district
02:02:48.140 --> 02:02:51.400
is not having any consideration
of whether the safest route
02:02:51.400 --> 02:02:53.750
is being chosen the best route,
02:02:53.750 --> 02:02:55.750
or whether there's any other routes
02:02:55.750 --> 02:02:57.760
that might not need to go
02:02:57.760 --> 02:03:00.250
through the higher fire threat district,
02:03:00.250 --> 02:03:01.750
such as undergrounding.
02:03:01.750 --> 02:03:04.800
As the last caller pointed
out, the underground option
02:03:04.800 --> 02:03:07.370
has not been fully costed
out, although SDG&E
02:03:08.801 --> 02:03:11.830
dismisses it as two to
three times more expensive.
02:03:11.830 --> 02:03:14.790
So the end result of
this policy environment
02:03:14.790 --> 02:03:19.790
is that this body is poised
to approve an unnecessary
02:03:19.960 --> 02:03:22.730
above ground power line project
02:03:22.730 --> 02:03:26.170
through a Cal Fire designated
high fire threat district
02:03:26.170 --> 02:03:28.680
without any consideration
of whether that route
02:03:28.680 --> 02:03:32.610
is really necessary or is
the safest for the citizens
02:03:32.610 --> 02:03:33.730
in the area.
02:03:33.730 --> 02:03:38.730
This is an abdication of this
Commission's responsibility.
02:03:40.170 --> 02:03:41.003
Thank you.
02:03:43.260 --> 02:03:44.750
Thank you.
02:03:44.750 --> 02:03:46.450
Operator, is there another caller?
02:03:49.204 --> 02:03:51.398
Our next
caller is Brett Nanigan,
02:03:51.398 --> 02:03:52.231
a San Marcos resident.
02:03:52.231 --> 02:03:53.064
You may go ahead.
02:03:54.410 --> 02:03:56.222
Thank you
Commissioner for your time.
02:03:56.222 --> 02:03:59.580
My points on this are
that there no issues with
02:03:59.580 --> 02:04:02.276
(distorted sound)
02:04:02.276 --> 02:04:03.690
I'm also calling about issue number 10.
02:04:04.592 --> 02:04:09.000
Infrastructure improvements
certainly have to be considered
02:04:09.000 --> 02:04:11.920
in a growing area than it is.
02:04:11.920 --> 02:04:14.740
But the cost of those
infrastructure improvements
02:04:14.740 --> 02:04:17.820
should be fully burdened
with the risk or potential risk
02:04:17.820 --> 02:04:20.500
they bring in.
02:04:20.500 --> 02:04:23.220
I don't believe that
assessment's been done,
02:04:23.220 --> 02:04:25.540
meaning it's one thing to say,
02:04:25.540 --> 02:04:28.420
"Great, we need to
expand these power lines."
02:04:28.420 --> 02:04:30.970
The second thing is then,
"Great, all appropriate risks
02:04:30.970 --> 02:04:33.256
"we burned all against that costs,
02:04:33.256 --> 02:04:34.089
"the incremental cost."
02:04:34.089 --> 02:04:36.830
Falling to which Creek
fire and other fires,
02:04:36.830 --> 02:04:40.020
where these power
lines slapping together
02:04:40.020 --> 02:04:43.550
or sparking hitting
brushes causing fire.
02:04:43.550 --> 02:04:45.880
It seems that that's
another factor that need
02:04:46.893 --> 02:04:49.072
to be dialed in which Creek happened
02:04:49.072 --> 02:04:50.514
miles outside and populated area.
02:04:50.514 --> 02:04:52.870
Well, before this area
was planted around it.
02:04:53.820 --> 02:04:56.520
Since we've all moved in,
we've all learned a lot more
02:04:57.390 --> 02:04:58.514
about fires.
02:04:58.514 --> 02:04:59.550
And then the third
point I'd like to bring up
02:04:59.550 --> 02:05:03.840
is that when you look
at the overall merits
02:05:03.840 --> 02:05:06.090
of adding power lines that SDG needs
02:05:06.090 --> 02:05:09.710
is that why would they be
against an environmental
02:05:09.710 --> 02:05:10.543
impact study.
02:05:11.526 --> 02:05:14.520
It seems like it's a balanced
scorecard, if you will,
02:05:15.709 --> 02:05:17.010
of how things should be considered.
02:05:17.010 --> 02:05:21.100
And I don't know why that
would be sort of off the table
02:05:21.100 --> 02:05:23.247
or not part of the consideration.
02:05:23.247 --> 02:05:24.830
Thank you for your time.
02:05:24.830 --> 02:05:25.680
Thank you, sir.
02:05:26.994 --> 02:05:28.590
Operator next caller, please.
02:05:31.540 --> 02:05:33.429
And President Batjer,
02:05:33.429 --> 02:05:34.480
there are no more speakers
on the public telephone
02:05:34.480 --> 02:05:36.210
comment line at this time.
02:05:36.210 --> 02:05:38.430
Thank you operator.
02:05:38.430 --> 02:05:39.890
With no more colleagues on the line,
02:05:39.890 --> 02:05:42.320
the public comment period is now closed.
02:05:42.320 --> 02:05:44.150
Thank you all for calling in today.
02:05:45.810 --> 02:05:50.810
We will now move on on our
agenda to the agenda changes
02:05:52.400 --> 02:05:53.650
either held or withdrawn.
02:05:54.974 --> 02:05:58.070
I believe that Commissioner
Rechtschaffen has a point.
02:06:00.175 --> 02:06:01.319
President Batjer, thank you.
02:06:01.319 --> 02:06:05.140
I would like to request
that item number four
02:06:05.140 --> 02:06:07.540
be moved through the regular agenda.
02:06:08.737 --> 02:06:10.900
I'd like to make a
motion for that to happen.
02:06:10.900 --> 02:06:13.040
Okay, is there a
second to your motion?
02:06:14.860 --> 02:06:16.557
Yeah, I have a second.
02:06:16.557 --> 02:06:17.390
Yes.
02:06:17.390 --> 02:06:20.330
Second, Mr. Randolph
has seconded the motion
02:06:20.330 --> 02:06:24.987
to move item four today to
the regular voting agenda.
02:06:27.290 --> 02:06:29.500
Will the clerk please call the roll.
02:06:31.210 --> 02:06:32.640
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:06:33.940 --> 02:06:35.230
Aye
02:06:35.230 --> 02:06:36.960
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
02:06:38.280 --> 02:06:39.820
Aye.
02:06:39.820 --> 02:06:41.240
Commissioner Randolph.
02:06:42.300 --> 02:06:43.660
Yes.
02:06:43.660 --> 02:06:45.820
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:06:45.820 --> 02:06:47.120
Yes.
02:06:47.120 --> 02:06:48.990
And President Batjer.
02:06:48.990 --> 02:06:49.823
Yes.
02:06:50.736 --> 02:06:52.250
So it's unanimous vote
to move item number four
02:06:52.250 --> 02:06:53.430
to the regular agenda.
02:06:55.137 --> 02:06:58.310
I believe Commissioner
Shiroma, you have also a comment.
02:07:00.530 --> 02:07:03.750
Yes, President Batjer,
I would like to request
02:07:04.650 --> 02:07:09.650
and make a motion to move
item 10 to the regular agenda
02:07:10.612 --> 02:07:15.612
for our next meeting on September 24th.
02:07:17.990 --> 02:07:20.440
Okay, is there a second to--
02:07:21.350 --> 02:07:22.183
Action.
02:07:24.140 --> 02:07:26.960
Oh, I'm sorry, I just
don't wanna be clear.
02:07:26.960 --> 02:07:31.635
So it's a hold it and to
place them on the regular.
02:07:31.635 --> 02:07:32.912
Okay.
02:07:32.912 --> 02:07:36.662
(speaking in the background)
02:07:37.870 --> 02:07:40.950
To hold and to move
it to the September 24th
02:07:40.950 --> 02:07:41.820
regular agenda.
02:07:42.670 --> 02:07:43.520
That's correct.
02:07:44.532 --> 02:07:45.550
Okay, thank you.
02:07:45.550 --> 02:07:46.840
And that motion
has been seconded.
02:07:46.840 --> 02:07:48.990
Will the agenda clerk
please call the roll.
02:07:50.751 --> 02:07:51.584
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:07:52.789 --> 02:07:53.860
Aye.
02:07:53.860 --> 02:07:55.980
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:07:55.980 --> 02:07:56.813
Aye.
02:07:57.910 --> 02:07:59.300
Commissioner Randolph.
02:08:00.290 --> 02:08:01.123
Yes.
02:08:02.315 --> 02:08:03.730
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:08:03.730 --> 02:08:05.150
Yes.
02:08:05.150 --> 02:08:07.030
President Batjer.
02:08:07.030 --> 02:08:07.900
Yes.
02:08:07.900 --> 02:08:08.733
Thank you.
02:08:10.529 --> 02:08:11.362
The vote is unanimous to hold and move
02:08:11.362 --> 02:08:16.160
to the next Commission meeting
on nine 24th item number 10.
02:08:21.175 --> 02:08:22.460
Is there any other points
for the Commissioners?
02:08:23.433 --> 02:08:24.855
Okay, seeing none.
02:08:24.855 --> 02:08:29.840
These are the following
changes to today's agenda.
02:08:29.840 --> 02:08:34.640
Item two will be held until
October 22nd meeting 2020,
02:08:37.354 --> 02:08:39.440
item four, we have already discussed
02:08:39.440 --> 02:08:41.950
and moved to the regular agenda.
02:08:43.153 --> 02:08:48.040
Items six will be held
for 9/24/2020 meeting.
02:08:49.115 --> 02:08:53.500
Item seven will be held
until the 11/5/2020 meeting,
02:08:53.500 --> 02:08:58.500
item 10 will be held and
moved to the 9/24/2020 meeting,
02:09:00.900 --> 02:09:05.670
item 12 will be held until
the 9/24/2020 meeting,
02:09:05.670 --> 02:09:08.430
items 15 will be held, Oh, excuse me,
02:09:09.452 --> 02:09:13.480
item 15 will be held to
the 9/24/2020 meeting,
02:09:13.480 --> 02:09:18.480
item 20 will be held until
the 10/8/2020 meeting
02:09:18.700 --> 02:09:21.490
and item 24 has been withdrawn.
02:09:23.530 --> 02:09:27.050
All right, we will now
move to the consent items.
02:09:27.050 --> 02:09:27.950
Is there a motion?
02:09:30.934 --> 02:09:31.970
So moved.
02:09:31.970 --> 02:09:32.803
And a second.
02:09:33.650 --> 02:09:34.753
Second.
02:09:34.753 --> 02:09:35.849
Okay.
02:09:35.849 --> 02:09:36.855
Second.
02:09:36.855 --> 02:09:37.890
Moved and seconded.
02:09:37.890 --> 02:09:39.840
Will the agenda clerk
please call the roll.
02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:41.960
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:09:41.960 --> 02:09:43.210
Aye.
02:09:43.210 --> 02:09:45.200
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:09:45.200 --> 02:09:46.490
Aye.
02:09:46.490 --> 02:09:48.174
Commissioner Randolph.
02:09:48.174 --> 02:09:49.007
Yes.
02:09:49.890 --> 02:09:52.150
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:09:52.150 --> 02:09:53.350
Yes.
02:09:53.350 --> 02:09:55.150
President Batjer.
02:09:55.150 --> 02:09:56.040
Yes.
02:09:56.040 --> 02:09:59.993
The Consent Agenda items
have been passed unanimously.
02:09:59.993 --> 02:10:00.826
Thank you.
02:10:00.826 --> 02:10:03.740
We will now take a 45 minute break
02:10:04.580 --> 02:10:06.840
before we take up the
regular agenda items.
02:10:08.295 --> 02:10:09.630
So we will break for 45 minutes.
02:10:09.630 --> 02:10:14.330
It's now 12:10, we'll be back at 12:55
02:10:19.092 --> 02:10:24.092
12:55, thank you all.
02:10:27.352 --> 02:10:29.935
(upbeat music)
02:10:39.734 --> 02:10:41.035
Thank you
all for standing by.
02:10:41.035 --> 02:10:42.100
Today's conference has resumed.
02:10:44.750 --> 02:10:45.794
Thank you, Operator.
02:10:45.794 --> 02:10:49.160
And we need to establish quorum.
02:10:49.160 --> 02:10:52.340
So will agenda clerk,
please call the roll.
02:10:54.551 --> 02:10:55.384
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:10:56.250 --> 02:10:57.640
Present.
02:10:57.640 --> 02:10:59.900
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:10:59.900 --> 02:11:00.733
Here,
02:11:01.752 --> 02:11:05.000
Commissioner Randolph.
02:11:06.310 --> 02:11:07.143
Here.
02:11:08.590 --> 02:11:09.770
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:11:09.770 --> 02:11:10.603
I'm here.
02:11:11.480 --> 02:11:13.550
President Batjer.
02:11:13.550 --> 02:11:14.383
Here.
02:11:15.251 --> 02:11:17.090
We have established
quorum, thank you all.
02:11:17.090 --> 02:11:20.270
We will now take up
the regular agenda items.
02:11:20.270 --> 02:11:22.620
The first item is item number four,
02:11:23.654 --> 02:11:26.670
settlement of Megan C
Marie's citation appeal.
02:11:26.670 --> 02:11:29.070
This item is for discussion.
02:11:29.070 --> 02:11:31.340
And after discussion,
the Commission may vote
02:11:31.340 --> 02:11:35.900
to hold this item to September
24th, 2020 voting meeting,
02:11:35.900 --> 02:11:36.910
Mr. Rechtschaffen.
02:11:38.280 --> 02:11:40.340
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:11:40.340 --> 02:11:45.130
I request a discussion hold
on this enforcement matter
02:11:45.130 --> 02:11:48.270
to explain my concerns
with the draft resolution,
02:11:48.270 --> 02:11:50.240
which I will cover quickly.
02:11:51.420 --> 02:11:53.310
The resolution approves the settlement
02:11:53.310 --> 02:11:56.760
between our consumer
protection and enforcement division,
02:11:56.760 --> 02:12:01.760
which is known as CPED and
a company called right time,
02:12:02.100 --> 02:12:07.100
which is a charter party carrier
in our CPAC transportation
02:12:08.290 --> 02:12:12.850
nomenclature, right time
provide the end shuttle service
02:12:12.850 --> 02:12:15.270
for students in Southern California.
02:12:16.620 --> 02:12:19.650
The resolution resolves
the citation that was imposed
02:12:19.650 --> 02:12:22.650
by our CPD against right time.
02:12:22.650 --> 02:12:26.030
And that was subsequently appealed.
02:12:26.030 --> 02:12:27.830
And the standard for our approval
02:12:30.899 --> 02:12:31.750
is whether the settlement is reasonable
02:12:33.499 --> 02:12:34.380
and in the public interest.
02:12:34.380 --> 02:12:39.060
The violations outlined in
the citation are numerous.
02:12:39.060 --> 02:12:42.073
They total 88 and serious.
02:12:42.073 --> 02:12:47.073
They included operating
after CPED suspended
02:12:47.690 --> 02:12:49.760
right times operating authority,
02:12:51.205 --> 02:12:54.620
operating without
insurance, employing drivers
02:12:54.620 --> 02:12:57.130
without workers' compensation.
02:12:57.130 --> 02:13:00.460
All the company attested
that there were no employees,
02:13:00.460 --> 02:13:04.170
failing to enroll drivers
and alcohol and substance
02:13:04.170 --> 02:13:06.980
testing programs, employing drivers
02:13:07.929 --> 02:13:09.510
without adequate certification
02:13:09.510 --> 02:13:13.510
and using cars without
license plates or CPC
02:13:13.510 --> 02:13:15.720
required identification.
02:13:15.720 --> 02:13:18.633
Again, these are cars
that we're picking up
02:13:18.633 --> 02:13:19.683
school aged children.
02:13:20.610 --> 02:13:23.040
Right time admitted
all of these violations.
02:13:23.980 --> 02:13:28.100
The citation imposed a $20,000 penalty,
02:13:28.100 --> 02:13:31.300
which was the maximum allowed.
02:13:31.300 --> 02:13:33.470
The proposed settlement
and the resolution
02:13:33.470 --> 02:13:38.100
weighs the penalty
entirely with what in my view
02:13:38.100 --> 02:13:41.530
is an insufficient incomplete analysis
02:13:42.410 --> 02:13:45.240
to conclude that the
settlement is reasonable.
02:13:46.456 --> 02:13:49.340
Just very briefly, the stated
rationale for the settlement
02:13:49.340 --> 02:13:53.029
and the resolution
approving it are that right time
02:13:53.029 --> 02:13:55.900
admitted to the violation,
is not in a financial position
02:13:55.900 --> 02:14:00.260
to pay the fine and that if
Righttime continues to operate,
02:14:00.260 --> 02:14:04.250
it will comply with all
CPUC requirements.
02:14:04.250 --> 02:14:06.990
The resolution finds that the settlement
02:14:06.990 --> 02:14:10.260
will further the public interests
in encouraging compliance
02:14:10.260 --> 02:14:12.920
with our regulations rather than causing
02:14:12.920 --> 02:14:15.050
a business to cease functioning.
02:14:16.130 --> 02:14:20.354
And in my view, these
rations are just not adequate
02:14:20.354 --> 02:14:23.230
in terms of the financial
resources as a company,
02:14:23.230 --> 02:14:26.120
which is something that we consider,
02:14:26.120 --> 02:14:29.290
there's no analysis at all
about the company's ability
02:14:29.290 --> 02:14:32.740
to pay, including the
ability to pay a lesser fine
02:14:32.740 --> 02:14:37.300
anywhere from zero to $20,000
or perhaps pay the citation
02:14:37.300 --> 02:14:40.790
over time or any other arrangements.
02:14:40.790 --> 02:14:44.520
More importantly to me,
simply agreeing to comply
02:14:44.520 --> 02:14:47.730
with state law going
forward does not justify
02:14:47.730 --> 02:14:50.990
waving a penalty entirely.
02:14:50.990 --> 02:14:53.430
All operators need to
comply with our rules.
02:14:54.876 --> 02:14:57.120
If we filed the approach
of totally waving a penalty,
02:14:57.120 --> 02:15:01.174
we would severely
undermine incentives to comply
02:15:01.174 --> 02:15:02.875
in the first place you comply,
02:15:02.875 --> 02:15:05.157
and then you don't pay a penalty.
02:15:05.157 --> 02:15:07.518
You agree to comply,
you don't pay a penalty
02:15:07.518 --> 02:15:10.648
for the fact that you were
out of compliance in the past.
02:15:10.648 --> 02:15:15.158
The operator's actions here
ignored a regulatory process
02:15:15.158 --> 02:15:18.900
and they endangered
the safety of its customers,
02:15:18.900 --> 02:15:22.560
including school age children,
employees and the public.
02:15:23.463 --> 02:15:25.478
And fortunately there was no harm,
02:15:25.478 --> 02:15:28.102
but there was certainly an end danger
02:15:28.102 --> 02:15:29.050
to the public and others.
02:15:30.010 --> 02:15:33.140
And then lastly, the
precedents that were cited
02:15:33.140 --> 02:15:36.890
in the resolution as
justifying the outcome,
02:15:36.890 --> 02:15:40.450
mostly involve resolutions that reduced
02:15:40.450 --> 02:15:43.250
the amount of the citation imposed,
02:15:43.250 --> 02:15:46.300
but don't waive the penalties entirely.
02:15:47.430 --> 02:15:51.060
So that's an overview of where are.
02:15:51.060 --> 02:15:55.430
And in my view of it,
as far as next steps,
02:15:55.430 --> 02:15:59.032
there are at least three options.
02:15:59.032 --> 02:16:03.870
If the majority of you
agree with the resolution,
02:16:03.870 --> 02:16:06.970
the item can be taken
up at our next meeting.
02:16:06.970 --> 02:16:11.181
And I know, excuse me, if
a majority of you disagree
02:16:11.181 --> 02:16:13.537
with the resolution as I do,
02:16:13.537 --> 02:16:14.680
we can take it up at the next meeting.
02:16:14.680 --> 02:16:17.440
And if they're a majority votes,
02:16:17.440 --> 02:16:19.480
we would reject the settlement
02:16:19.480 --> 02:16:22.780
and the Administrative
Law Judge will continued
02:16:22.780 --> 02:16:23.630
the proceeding.
02:16:24.500 --> 02:16:27.650
The parties might not sense
wish to discuss settlement
02:16:27.650 --> 02:16:31.156
again, or the ALJ would
proceed to a hearing
02:16:31.156 --> 02:16:32.241
or other processes.
02:16:32.241 --> 02:16:35.960
So again, one option is to
take it up next time vote no
02:16:35.960 --> 02:16:39.200
and continue with the proceeding.
02:16:39.200 --> 02:16:42.050
Another option would
be to prepare an alternate
02:16:42.050 --> 02:16:45.140
that rejects the
settlement or approves it
02:16:45.140 --> 02:16:48.710
with modification,
including more analysis
02:16:48.710 --> 02:16:50.520
and support for the outcome.
02:16:51.410 --> 02:16:53.920
This alternate would be
circulated for comment
02:16:53.920 --> 02:16:56.302
and appear in a future agenda.
02:16:56.302 --> 02:16:59.770
That's my preferred
option to have an alternate
02:16:59.770 --> 02:17:03.510
that modifies the settlement
and provide more analysis
02:17:03.510 --> 02:17:05.060
and support.
02:17:05.060 --> 02:17:07.910
Alternatively, if the
majority of you believe
02:17:07.910 --> 02:17:12.237
that proposed settlement as
presented today is reasonable,
02:17:12.237 --> 02:17:15.662
we could vote for that.
02:17:15.662 --> 02:17:16.990
I will vote no in that scenario,
02:17:16.990 --> 02:17:19.140
but certainly if a majority of you agree
02:17:19.140 --> 02:17:23.000
that it should be approved,
that's your prerogative.
02:17:23.000 --> 02:17:25.322
So I welcome hearing your
perspectives as we consider
02:17:25.322 --> 02:17:27.310
these next steps.
02:17:30.096 --> 02:17:31.496
The comments on item four.
02:17:32.438 --> 02:17:33.271
Yes, Commissioner Randolph.
02:17:34.230 --> 02:17:36.960
Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
02:17:36.960 --> 02:17:40.560
I to share your concerns
about completely waving
02:17:40.560 --> 02:17:45.560
a fine particularly given
the lengthy list of violations
02:17:47.430 --> 02:17:48.770
that need to be corrected.
02:17:48.770 --> 02:17:52.500
And if they can't don't have
the financial wherewithal
02:17:52.500 --> 02:17:54.161
to pay the fine,
02:17:54.161 --> 02:17:55.699
I'm concerned that they would not have
02:17:55.699 --> 02:17:57.636
the financial wherewithal
to make the correction.
02:17:57.636 --> 02:18:01.490
So I guess I have a
quick procedural question.
02:18:01.490 --> 02:18:06.490
I think the alternate
approach to me make sense,
02:18:13.150 --> 02:18:18.150
and I guess my question
is would the alternate
02:18:19.951 --> 02:18:23.380
have the opportunity to
deal with the merits because,
02:18:23.380 --> 02:18:26.310
or would it simply
reject to the settlement
02:18:26.310 --> 02:18:27.910
and send it back to the parties?
02:18:32.720 --> 02:18:36.300
I think the alternate
can deal with the merits.
02:18:36.300 --> 02:18:40.690
I don't wanna say I'm not a 100% sure
02:18:40.690 --> 02:18:44.398
that's the case we have, the settlement,
02:18:44.398 --> 02:18:47.120
we have the parties motion
approving the settlement.
02:18:47.120 --> 02:18:52.120
I think if we approve the
settlement with modifications,
02:18:53.316 --> 02:18:56.997
we would have to get
the parties approval
02:18:56.997 --> 02:19:01.150
of the modifications or
else it would then go back
02:19:01.150 --> 02:19:02.540
to the regular process.
02:19:03.475 --> 02:19:08.220
But I think we have the
ability to change the merits
02:19:08.220 --> 02:19:11.640
and come up with a different,
an alternate resolution
02:19:11.640 --> 02:19:13.710
that comes to a different conclusion.
02:19:17.190 --> 02:19:18.590
Okay, thank you very much.
02:19:20.379 --> 02:19:22.950
Do we need to ask
the general council
02:19:22.950 --> 02:19:27.240
or the chief ALJ to weigh in
on the procedural questions?
02:19:30.700 --> 02:19:32.819
This is our equation.
02:19:32.819 --> 02:19:36.960
You are the general counsel
and Commissioner Rechtschaffen
02:19:38.462 --> 02:19:41.610
is correct that the
Commission under our rules
02:19:41.610 --> 02:19:44.197
can approve the settlement rejected
02:19:44.197 --> 02:19:47.510
or suggest conditions that the parties
02:19:47.510 --> 02:19:49.503
would have to agree to.
02:19:49.503 --> 02:19:52.030
So those would be the options
available to the Commission.
02:19:56.570 --> 02:19:59.990
I have a follow up
question on the procedure.
02:20:01.110 --> 02:20:06.110
Our pleased is so today before
what emotion would have to
02:20:06.160 --> 02:20:09.780
make made on one of
those three choices, correct.
02:20:09.780 --> 02:20:10.880
We would vote on that.
02:20:11.870 --> 02:20:14.620
No, I think what you would do
02:20:14.620 --> 02:20:19.620
is if the Commissioner
Rechtschaffen would like to pursue
02:20:19.960 --> 02:20:23.740
an alternate, I would
recommend holding it
02:20:23.740 --> 02:20:28.740
for more than one meeting
to give Mr. Rechtschaffen
02:20:31.000 --> 02:20:35.020
adequate time to propose an alternative.
02:20:38.177 --> 02:20:40.860
You would not be voting on anything
02:20:40.860 --> 02:20:44.130
other than holding it today.
02:20:44.130 --> 02:20:46.450
Okay, that's what I
thought when I required
02:20:46.450 --> 02:20:47.283
that clarification.
02:20:48.371 --> 02:20:51.214
Yes, this is Anne
Simon, chief ALJ.
02:20:51.214 --> 02:20:55.390
And if I can just elaborate
a bit on the scenario
02:20:55.390 --> 02:20:58.290
or an alternate
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
02:20:59.137 --> 02:21:02.690
can borrow an alternate
resolution to be proposed,
02:21:02.690 --> 02:21:07.690
it would need to be sent out
for public comment for 30 days.
02:21:09.615 --> 02:21:13.420
So this item would be
held pending the conclusion,
02:21:14.350 --> 02:21:16.350
the drafting circulation,
02:21:16.350 --> 02:21:18.400
and conclusion of the comment period
02:21:20.041 --> 02:21:22.340
for any alternate resolution
that will be proposed.
02:21:27.338 --> 02:21:29.236
I'm happy to proceed that way
02:21:29.236 --> 02:21:33.430
if that's the sense of the
body that I have support
02:21:33.430 --> 02:21:36.800
for an alternate.
02:21:36.800 --> 02:21:39.390
I'm happy to hold it
and prepare an alternate
02:21:39.390 --> 02:21:41.340
again if that's the sense of the group.
02:21:42.877 --> 02:21:44.677
I think that this
needs to be held
02:21:46.059 --> 02:21:48.209
so you can prepare
an alternate resolution.
02:21:49.577 --> 02:21:52.479
I agree with the comments
that Leanne and you both made.
02:21:52.479 --> 02:21:56.839
The list of citations or
violations is quite extraordinary.
02:21:56.839 --> 02:22:01.839
And when you think about
that and the transport of children
02:22:02.040 --> 02:22:04.040
to and from school is quite frightening.
02:22:05.001 --> 02:22:06.410
And that they don't seem
to have the wherewithal
02:22:07.317 --> 02:22:08.150
like grievously am.
02:22:08.150 --> 02:22:10.650
If they don't have the
wherewithal to pay the penalty,
02:22:10.650 --> 02:22:14.330
are they gonna have
the financial worthiness
02:22:14.330 --> 02:22:17.480
to make the appropriate
fixes to their vehicle fleet
02:22:18.855 --> 02:22:21.910
and get their drivers properly trained
02:22:21.910 --> 02:22:23.910
and properly licensed, et cetera.
02:22:25.190 --> 02:22:27.970
So that would be my sentiment.
02:22:36.261 --> 02:22:38.380
I would suggest
a two meeting hold
02:22:39.290 --> 02:22:44.290
and Chief Simon is correct,
it would require the mailing
02:22:46.030 --> 02:22:48.100
of an alternate 30 day comment period.
02:22:49.061 --> 02:22:52.730
And it could always be
further held at a future
02:22:52.730 --> 02:22:56.330
Commission meeting, but that
would give the Commissioner
02:22:57.217 --> 02:23:02.217
an opportunity to decide exactly
what he's going to propose.
02:23:06.360 --> 02:23:09.269
Okay, well, thank
you very much, that's--
02:23:09.269 --> 02:23:11.390
I need a motion.
02:23:11.390 --> 02:23:12.223
Yes.
02:23:13.273 --> 02:23:18.100
Now, you need to make
a motion to insect the item
02:23:18.100 --> 02:23:20.050
and hold a vote on that motion.
02:23:22.750 --> 02:23:27.750
Okay, can I be the movement,
I move to hold this item
02:23:28.650 --> 02:23:30.260
for two meetings.
02:23:30.260 --> 02:23:32.570
Well, I don't have the
ability to arc, please.
02:23:33.871 --> 02:23:36.121
Do I have the ability to...
02:23:37.234 --> 02:23:38.067
I do, I do have the ability
'cause this is just a...
02:23:40.851 --> 02:23:41.874
We haven't held it yet.
02:23:41.874 --> 02:23:42.900
So I moved to hold the
item for two meetings.
02:23:44.350 --> 02:23:45.400
I'll second.
02:23:46.733 --> 02:23:50.077
Okay, the motion has
been made and seconded
02:23:50.077 --> 02:23:55.077
to hold item number four and hold
02:23:55.960 --> 02:23:58.750
for two Commission meetings forward.
02:24:00.677 --> 02:24:03.177
Okay, will the agenda
clerk, please call the roll.
02:24:04.757 --> 02:24:06.060
Commissioner Shiroma
02:24:06.060 --> 02:24:07.360
Aye.
02:24:07.360 --> 02:24:09.500
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:24:09.500 --> 02:24:10.333
Aye.
02:24:11.610 --> 02:24:13.120
Commissioner Randolph.
02:24:14.000 --> 02:24:15.290
Yes.
02:24:15.290 --> 02:24:17.400
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:24:17.400 --> 02:24:18.233
Yes.
02:24:19.453 --> 02:24:20.450
President Batjer.
02:24:20.450 --> 02:24:22.098
Yes.
02:24:22.098 --> 02:24:24.500
The vote is unanimous
on item number four.
02:24:24.500 --> 02:24:26.057
Okay, thank you.
02:24:26.057 --> 02:24:27.740
We're now moving through
the regular agenda items
02:24:27.740 --> 02:24:30.620
and we're on item 21,
02:24:30.620 --> 02:24:33.440
which is Commissioner
Guzman Aceves' item.
02:24:33.440 --> 02:24:34.875
Thank you.
02:24:34.875 --> 02:24:39.340
This is order instituting
rulemaking regarding the Broadband
02:24:39.340 --> 02:24:43.720
infrastructure deployment
and to support service providers
02:24:44.598 --> 02:24:45.850
in the state of California.
02:24:46.836 --> 02:24:49.470
And I'm very excited to
be discussing the opening
02:24:49.470 --> 02:24:50.780
of this rulemaking today,
02:24:52.075 --> 02:24:54.450
in particular because
it's not really focused
02:24:54.450 --> 02:24:57.227
on how we are improving
our current failed systems,
02:24:57.227 --> 02:25:00.780
but it's really asking
what the different ways
02:25:00.780 --> 02:25:04.620
and approaches we can
take to systemically change
02:25:04.620 --> 02:25:09.600
our current system around
providing the critical service
02:25:09.600 --> 02:25:10.433
of internet.
02:25:12.070 --> 02:25:14.660
We've been forced by our
federal government to succumb
02:25:14.660 --> 02:25:18.090
to rules and based
on imaginary definitions
02:25:18.090 --> 02:25:19.810
of what the internet is,
02:25:20.660 --> 02:25:24.760
which then block our ability
to ensure universal service
02:25:24.760 --> 02:25:28.400
and affordable service
through regulation.
02:25:28.400 --> 02:25:30.660
The justification that has been made
02:25:30.660 --> 02:25:34.850
is that competition
will solve before it all,
02:25:34.850 --> 02:25:38.310
that the carriers will compete
and bring down the prices
02:25:39.223 --> 02:25:40.660
and serve everyone.
02:25:40.660 --> 02:25:43.560
This neoliberalism economic theory
02:25:43.560 --> 02:25:46.420
has failed many Californians.
02:25:46.420 --> 02:25:51.420
In fact, as you all know,
23% of California households
02:25:51.620 --> 02:25:54.070
do not have the internet at home.
02:25:55.150 --> 02:25:59.230
That's leaving 8.4 million Californians
02:25:59.230 --> 02:26:03.030
digitally disadvantaged
and unable to participate
02:26:03.030 --> 02:26:07.390
in many of the benefits
of economic and civic life.
02:26:07.390 --> 02:26:09.650
And this has to change.
02:26:09.650 --> 02:26:12.120
We all know this so intimately today,
02:26:12.120 --> 02:26:16.320
as we take refuge in our
homes, not only from COVID,
02:26:16.320 --> 02:26:19.030
but from the clouds of
smoke and particulates
02:26:19.907 --> 02:26:21.410
that spread across our state.
02:26:21.410 --> 02:26:24.689
The internet has been
able to save many jobs,
02:26:24.689 --> 02:26:29.148
many people's health and
our children's education.
02:26:29.148 --> 02:26:33.620
And every Californian, every
neighborhood needs the internet
02:26:33.620 --> 02:26:34.650
to be resilient.
02:26:36.080 --> 02:26:41.080
Before the internet came to
be, our strategy for serving
02:26:41.768 --> 02:26:44.210
all Californian telecommunication needs
02:26:44.210 --> 02:26:48.850
was to incentivize carriers
based on our regulatory
02:26:48.850 --> 02:26:50.750
monopoly utility model.
02:26:51.910 --> 02:26:56.490
But as the internet came in
and as competition was replaced
02:26:57.648 --> 02:27:02.470
by regulation, what
we have left is really
02:27:03.450 --> 02:27:06.070
only an incentive
based set of strategies,
02:27:06.070 --> 02:27:09.140
which have failed to
meet the needs of universe
02:27:09.140 --> 02:27:12.531
at universal service and affordability.
02:27:12.531 --> 02:27:17.531
And a major reason why
this incentive based approach
02:27:18.115 --> 02:27:19.970
through competition is not working
02:27:19.970 --> 02:27:22.670
is because there is no competition.
02:27:23.730 --> 02:27:27.530
Only a very small group of
Californians have choices.
02:27:28.730 --> 02:27:33.730
Less than 7% of Californians
are served by three
02:27:33.840 --> 02:27:34.850
or more providers.
02:27:36.090 --> 02:27:38.820
About half of us have two choices.
02:27:40.190 --> 02:27:43.710
But over 40% have one or fewer
02:27:45.672 --> 02:27:47.040
if they even have service at all.
02:27:48.214 --> 02:27:51.640
So in summer, throughout the state,
02:27:52.767 --> 02:27:55.830
there has an example
of this 40% that have one
02:27:55.830 --> 02:27:58.080
or fewer service
providers available to them.
02:27:59.460 --> 02:28:02.810
There's not any areas of
state where a cable company
02:28:02.810 --> 02:28:05.550
is competing with another cable company.
02:28:06.530 --> 02:28:09.990
If that cable company chooses
not to serve all the residents
02:28:09.990 --> 02:28:12.690
in the community,
there is no cable options.
02:28:13.733 --> 02:28:17.820
This is due once again to
the perverse federal construct
02:28:17.820 --> 02:28:20.980
and the lack of obligation
to serve all Californians.
02:28:22.610 --> 02:28:26.710
As an example, Commissioner
Shiroma's great leadership
02:28:26.710 --> 02:28:31.080
in proposing a lifeline for
broadband will be dependent
02:28:31.080 --> 02:28:34.860
on ISP's willingness to participate
02:28:34.860 --> 02:28:38.480
in providing free internet for
the low income Californians
02:28:38.480 --> 02:28:39.313
in our state.
02:28:40.870 --> 02:28:43.040
So what does this
result in everything that
02:28:43.040 --> 02:28:46.920
you know already tried the
rural communities left behind
02:28:46.920 --> 02:28:48.950
with poorly maintained infrastructure
02:28:48.950 --> 02:28:50.570
with insufficiencies.
02:28:51.600 --> 02:28:55.440
Neighborhoods and urban
communities that are red lined
02:28:55.440 --> 02:28:59.330
and excessive pricing
due to this monopolized
02:28:59.330 --> 02:29:02.750
and oligopolies markets
that we have across the state.
02:29:04.380 --> 02:29:08.450
Unaffordable internet is
particularly unacceptable
02:29:08.450 --> 02:29:12.670
as 2.5 million Californians
are unemployed
02:29:12.670 --> 02:29:15.740
and millions of low
wage workers continue
02:29:15.740 --> 02:29:17.040
with their essential work.
02:29:18.840 --> 02:29:21.750
Until the federal government
or the Supreme court
02:29:21.750 --> 02:29:25.240
or Congress decide that the
internet needs to be regulated
02:29:25.240 --> 02:29:29.010
to ensure universal
and affordable service,
02:29:29.010 --> 02:29:31.590
we need more incentive based approaches.
02:29:32.480 --> 02:29:34.630
And that's what this OIR is all about.
02:29:35.914 --> 02:29:40.080
It's about any and all
ideas to bring forward
02:29:40.080 --> 02:29:42.580
new alternatives to
our current structure.
02:29:43.740 --> 02:29:46.690
This will making we'll develop
approaches and measures
02:29:46.690 --> 02:29:49.520
for increasing infrastructure deployment
02:29:51.018 --> 02:29:54.490
that builds to areas that
lacks fiber infrastructure,
02:29:54.490 --> 02:29:58.878
and to make that infrastructure
open for all providers.
02:29:58.878 --> 02:30:02.910
We need fresh participants
with new providers,
02:30:02.910 --> 02:30:05.740
public networks, open access,
02:30:05.740 --> 02:30:08.270
more collaborative network designs,
02:30:08.270 --> 02:30:10.800
and especially public
private partnerships.
02:30:11.820 --> 02:30:14.370
We can use what is already out there
02:30:14.370 --> 02:30:17.420
in creative and collaborative ways.
02:30:17.420 --> 02:30:21.290
Vertical structures, such
as towers, poles, streetlights,
02:30:22.435 --> 02:30:24.690
street furniture, and
underground conduit
02:30:24.690 --> 02:30:27.670
that will drive down the
cost and deploy quicker
02:30:27.670 --> 02:30:28.503
to the market.
02:30:30.394 --> 02:30:32.860
Partnerships like those
that other States have.
02:30:32.860 --> 02:30:36.780
And even some counties within
our state like Imperial County
02:30:37.770 --> 02:30:40.410
and like the investor
on utility partnerships,
02:30:40.410 --> 02:30:44.520
that Virginia West Virginia,
Mississippi, Missouri,
02:30:44.520 --> 02:30:49.170
and other States are
deploying that utilities
02:30:49.170 --> 02:30:53.350
are installing fiber while
doing their own hardening work
02:30:53.350 --> 02:30:55.930
or repair work or extensions,
02:30:57.230 --> 02:31:01.373
or like the state of Utah
has done with this department
02:31:01.373 --> 02:31:04.690
of transportation, coordinating
fiber installed with highway
02:31:04.690 --> 02:31:06.280
and other right away projects.
02:31:08.416 --> 02:31:11.570
We can look into many
other ideas like unused
02:31:11.570 --> 02:31:13.100
and dormant fiber.
02:31:13.100 --> 02:31:15.970
We can add fiber to infrastructures
02:31:15.970 --> 02:31:17.200
that are in the pipeline.
02:31:17.200 --> 02:31:19.790
Like when we were
rebuilding our communities
02:31:20.694 --> 02:31:24.430
from these fires, we can
revisit agreements, licenses,
02:31:24.430 --> 02:31:29.430
contracts out there that are
on public property and find new
02:31:29.773 --> 02:31:30.606
ways to leverage them.
02:31:31.832 --> 02:31:33.680
The Governor recognized
these opportunities
02:31:33.680 --> 02:31:36.230
for leveraging these partnerships
02:31:36.230 --> 02:31:41.230
as part of his executive order
that he issued on August 14th
02:31:41.380 --> 02:31:43.380
for broadband for all.
02:31:43.380 --> 02:31:46.080
He directed us to work
on these partnerships
02:31:46.080 --> 02:31:50.450
as one of the 15 orders
in that executive order.
02:31:52.435 --> 02:31:55.794
So today I'm very excited,
as I said, to ask the public
02:31:55.794 --> 02:31:58.430
to engage in this proceeding
and offer their ideas
02:31:58.430 --> 02:32:00.470
for developing strategies,
02:32:00.470 --> 02:32:04.550
for deploying more
fiber in areas that lack it.
02:32:04.550 --> 02:32:08.290
Which can also provide
for actual competition
02:32:08.290 --> 02:32:12.110
and ultimately affordability
and universal access.
02:32:13.120 --> 02:32:16.580
This is a call for
innovation through pilots,
02:32:16.580 --> 02:32:19.080
through new partnerships
and new strategies.
02:32:19.980 --> 02:32:22.970
We all know the urgency
and I'm very excited
02:32:22.970 --> 02:32:25.890
to get moving on these
transformative solutions.
02:32:27.590 --> 02:32:32.391
So with that, I wanted to
thank my Bagley chief partner,
02:32:32.391 --> 02:32:35.130
President Batjer and her
advisor, Michael Malaney
02:32:35.130 --> 02:32:38.740
for all their support, not just
in this drafting of the OER,
02:32:38.740 --> 02:32:41.230
but everything that's
really led up to this.
02:32:42.320 --> 02:32:46.120
And to the communications
division director, Osborne,
02:32:46.120 --> 02:32:49.690
Michael Mingus, Karen
Eckersley, and Serena Shao
02:32:49.690 --> 02:32:54.060
who have particularly
know these issues so well
02:32:54.060 --> 02:32:58.380
and the systemic causes
that we're finally attempting
02:32:59.233 --> 02:33:00.066
to address.
02:33:00.066 --> 02:33:02.950
And thank you to the legal
team, Helen Miscavige,
02:33:02.950 --> 02:33:06.510
Tim Lippy, (beep)
and the assistant chief
02:33:06.510 --> 02:33:11.265
L James Anthony
Colbert and Brian Stevens.
02:33:11.265 --> 02:33:14.430
And to my adviser,
Jonathan Cold, Sarah Sharp
02:33:14.430 --> 02:33:16.210
and Stephanie Crespi.
02:33:17.470 --> 02:33:19.420
So with that, I asked for your support.
02:33:21.580 --> 02:33:23.680
Thank you, Commissioner
Guzman Aceves.
02:33:23.680 --> 02:33:28.622
I am enthusiastically supporting
the opening of this OIR.
02:33:28.622 --> 02:33:30.930
Your outline was excellent.
02:33:30.930 --> 02:33:34.320
And for all of the reasons
you stated this is so needed.
02:33:34.320 --> 02:33:39.320
And I'm particularly excited
about your call to innovation
02:33:41.320 --> 02:33:46.320
and for all those reasons,
this is extremely important.
02:33:47.920 --> 02:33:50.310
And as you said, it's
extremely important
02:33:52.103 --> 02:33:53.230
and we must work quickly and fast.
02:33:53.230 --> 02:33:56.130
And I really look
forward to holistically
02:33:56.130 --> 02:33:58.870
reviewing the
Commission's responsibilities
02:33:58.870 --> 02:34:02.810
and the authority to get
all Californians connected.
02:34:02.810 --> 02:34:05.590
And I'm too very excited
about the Governor's
02:34:05.590 --> 02:34:09.793
executive order that you outlined
in the Broadband executive
02:34:09.793 --> 02:34:13.150
order broadband for all.
02:34:13.150 --> 02:34:18.150
So I thank you for your very
help, your very robust outline
02:34:18.490 --> 02:34:20.520
of what the OIR will do.
02:34:23.269 --> 02:34:24.516
And I appreciate it, and
I will support this item.
02:34:24.516 --> 02:34:27.010
And there are other
comments on item number 21.
02:34:27.010 --> 02:34:28.310
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma.
02:34:29.770 --> 02:34:32.550
Yes, thank you,
President Batjer.
02:34:32.550 --> 02:34:35.830
And thank you,
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:34:35.830 --> 02:34:39.830
I'm also very excited about this OIR,
02:34:40.980 --> 02:34:45.149
which has quickly followed
Governor Newsom's
02:34:45.149 --> 02:34:46.951
executive order on broadband for all.
02:34:46.951 --> 02:34:51.951
And it is so important
to bridge the digital divide
02:34:54.303 --> 02:34:55.136
in our state.
02:34:55.136 --> 02:34:58.990
It has been very eye opening
for me to see the disparities
02:34:58.990 --> 02:35:02.360
as described by
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
02:35:02.360 --> 02:35:05.486
in terms of the access
or lack of access.
02:35:05.486 --> 02:35:09.560
According to geographical
gaps in some areas providing
02:35:09.560 --> 02:35:12.270
levels of Broadband
that are not sufficient
02:35:12.270 --> 02:35:13.290
for current needs.
02:35:14.861 --> 02:35:17.260
I'm especially
enthusiastic about this effort
02:35:17.260 --> 02:35:21.980
because the pandemic
has really pointed out
02:35:21.980 --> 02:35:25.640
the critical importance of connectivity,
02:35:25.640 --> 02:35:27.940
addressing public safety,
public health needs,
02:35:28.985 --> 02:35:31.864
remote learning, rural
communities with limited
02:35:31.864 --> 02:35:34.476
Broadband infrastructure,
tele-health needs.
02:35:34.476 --> 02:35:35.520
They're all amplified.
02:35:35.520 --> 02:35:38.830
So I look forward to
the cross agency efforts
02:35:38.830 --> 02:35:42.750
with this OIR and that we
will fill the gap once and for all
02:35:42.750 --> 02:35:44.360
for all California.
02:35:44.360 --> 02:35:46.460
I'm pleased to support this effort.
02:35:47.328 --> 02:35:48.161
Thank you
02:35:50.385 --> 02:35:51.513
Is there any other...
02:35:51.513 --> 02:35:52.450
Yes, Commissioner Randolph.
02:35:53.420 --> 02:35:56.710
Thank you, I'm also
very supportive of this OIR.
02:35:56.710 --> 02:35:59.920
I really liked the idea of taking a look
02:35:59.920 --> 02:36:01.070
at other jurisdictions.
02:36:02.046 --> 02:36:03.780
And as you mentioned, even
jurisdictions within our state
02:36:03.780 --> 02:36:06.430
and sort of picking
the, those most creative
02:36:06.430 --> 02:36:08.370
and innovative ideas and figuring out
02:36:08.370 --> 02:36:10.280
if we can bring them to scale.
02:36:10.280 --> 02:36:13.030
And for all the reasons
stated by my colleagues,
02:36:13.030 --> 02:36:16.430
we know that internet
access is extremely important.
02:36:16.430 --> 02:36:20.187
So thank you for this effort
and I'm looking forward
02:36:20.187 --> 02:36:23.130
to voting for it.
02:36:23.130 --> 02:36:23.963
Rechtschaffen.
02:36:25.745 --> 02:36:28.589
I also wanna thank you,
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
02:36:28.589 --> 02:36:30.355
for your leadership on these issues
02:36:30.355 --> 02:36:32.810
and the communications
division for their very hard work
02:36:32.810 --> 02:36:34.430
on developing this OIR.
02:36:34.430 --> 02:36:37.190
Everyone said it's incredibly timely,
02:36:37.190 --> 02:36:40.951
given the COVID
pandemic and the disparities
02:36:40.951 --> 02:36:42.454
that it's underscored,
02:36:42.454 --> 02:36:44.620
and it very much the
product support the broad
02:36:45.489 --> 02:36:47.370
and comprehensive
view that this is gonna take
02:36:47.370 --> 02:36:49.635
looking for new models,
innovative models,
02:36:49.635 --> 02:36:53.770
and of course, a special focus
on low income communities,
02:36:53.770 --> 02:36:56.482
those in high firefight areas
and those with low broadband
02:36:56.482 --> 02:36:58.609
adoption rates.
02:36:58.609 --> 02:37:01.186
It's very important issues
that merit consideration
02:37:01.186 --> 02:37:02.280
in this dedicated proceeding.
02:37:02.280 --> 02:37:04.400
I will be enthusiastically voting, yes.
02:37:09.400 --> 02:37:12.010
Excellent, thank
you all Commissioners.
02:37:12.010 --> 02:37:15.100
Are there any other final
comments on item 21?
02:37:16.240 --> 02:37:19.070
Okay, seeing none, I
move the agenda clerk,
02:37:20.047 --> 02:37:22.060
please call the roll on item number 21.
02:37:24.029 --> 02:37:25.310
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:37:25.310 --> 02:37:26.830
Aye.
02:37:26.830 --> 02:37:28.590
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:37:29.706 --> 02:37:30.539
Aye,
02:37:30.539 --> 02:37:32.380
Commissioner Randolph.
02:37:32.380 --> 02:37:33.730
Yes.
02:37:33.730 --> 02:37:35.800
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:37:35.800 --> 02:37:37.170
Yes.
02:37:37.170 --> 02:37:38.500
President Batjer.
02:37:39.540 --> 02:37:41.970
The vote is
unanimous for item 21.
02:37:41.970 --> 02:37:46.040
Now moving on to item number 22,
02:37:46.040 --> 02:37:47.740
that's Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:37:49.229 --> 02:37:51.240
Thank you, this is
an order extending time
02:37:51.240 --> 02:37:54.970
in the Callahan belt
flower acquisition matter.
02:37:54.970 --> 02:37:58.040
This proceeding relates
to the proposed acquisition
02:37:58.040 --> 02:38:02.280
of Bellflower by Cal
American water company.
02:38:02.280 --> 02:38:04.710
As you recall, it touches
on important issues
02:38:04.710 --> 02:38:06.980
relating to the valuation
of water systems
02:38:06.980 --> 02:38:09.287
in the context of acquisitions.
02:38:09.287 --> 02:38:12.520
A proposed decision was
issued earlier this year,
02:38:12.520 --> 02:38:14.585
subsequently withdrawn.
02:38:14.585 --> 02:38:16.870
However, as we decided
to reopen the record
02:38:16.870 --> 02:38:19.410
of the proceeding to
take additional evidence
02:38:19.410 --> 02:38:23.980
for the appropriate valuation
of the Bellflower system.
02:38:23.980 --> 02:38:26.510
The parties have met
and conferred to discuss
02:38:26.510 --> 02:38:29.920
possible settlement
of the contested issues
02:38:29.920 --> 02:38:33.840
and those discussions
continue as a result,
02:38:33.840 --> 02:38:38.548
we need an extension until March, 2021,
02:38:38.548 --> 02:38:41.548
to allow the parties to continue
this settlement discussion,
02:38:42.608 --> 02:38:44.810
take new evidence and fully
assess the fair market value
02:38:44.810 --> 02:38:45.990
of the system.
02:38:45.990 --> 02:38:48.490
I asked for your support
for this extension order.
02:38:50.310 --> 02:38:54.350
Are there any comments on
item 22 from the Commissioners?
02:38:56.150 --> 02:38:58.770
Okay, seeing none,
will the agenda clerk,
02:38:59.621 --> 02:39:00.454
please call the role.
02:39:01.770 --> 02:39:04.700
For item 22,
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:39:04.700 --> 02:39:05.790
Aye.
02:39:05.790 --> 02:39:08.140
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:39:08.140 --> 02:39:09.577
Aye.
02:39:09.577 --> 02:39:11.177
Commissioner Randolph.
02:39:12.180 --> 02:39:13.550
Yes.
02:39:13.550 --> 02:39:15.660
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:39:15.660 --> 02:39:16.910
Yes.
02:39:16.910 --> 02:39:18.620
President Batjer.
02:39:18.620 --> 02:39:20.200
Yes.
02:39:20.200 --> 02:39:22.250
The vote is you and
unanimous on item number 22.
02:39:22.250 --> 02:39:24.660
Moving on to item number 23,
02:39:24.660 --> 02:39:27.230
which is Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:39:28.790 --> 02:39:30.732
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:39:30.732 --> 02:39:33.300
This is the order extending a rulemaking
02:39:33.300 --> 02:39:38.300
that is related to direct
access pursuant to SB237.
02:39:38.950 --> 02:39:41.880
I'm requesting an
extension until September
02:39:43.096 --> 02:39:45.420
from September, excuse me, of this year
02:39:46.257 --> 02:39:48.720
to March of next year
so that the energy division
02:39:49.554 --> 02:39:52.718
can issue its study
that will then inform
02:39:52.718 --> 02:39:54.668
our recommendations to the legislature.
02:39:55.615 --> 02:39:57.948
After parties will have
an opportunity to comment
02:39:57.948 --> 02:39:59.900
on the study and consider those comments
02:39:59.900 --> 02:40:01.910
can adopt a decision.
02:40:01.910 --> 02:40:05.520
And I asked for your support
to extend it until March.
02:40:09.240 --> 02:40:11.550
Are there any
comments on item 23?
02:40:14.060 --> 02:40:17.120
Okay, seeing none,
will the agenda clerk,
02:40:18.550 --> 02:40:19.670
please call the roll on item 23.
02:40:20.947 --> 02:40:22.430
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:40:22.430 --> 02:40:23.720
Aye.
02:40:23.720 --> 02:40:25.940
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:40:25.940 --> 02:40:27.460
Aye.
02:40:27.460 --> 02:40:29.271
Commissioner Randolph.
02:40:29.271 --> 02:40:30.104
Yes.
02:40:31.460 --> 02:40:33.730
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:40:33.730 --> 02:40:35.100
Yes.
02:40:35.100 --> 02:40:36.820
President Batjer.
02:40:36.820 --> 02:40:41.090
Yes, item number 23 has
been unanimously voted.
02:40:41.090 --> 02:40:42.590
Thank you all very much.
02:40:42.590 --> 02:40:47.590
We will now move on in our
agenda to management reports.
02:40:48.950 --> 02:40:50.680
There is no report for item 25,
02:40:50.680 --> 02:40:53.920
which is report and discussion
on recent consumer protection
02:40:53.920 --> 02:40:55.940
and safety activities management report.
02:40:56.980 --> 02:41:01.360
And no report on item 26,
which is a management report
02:41:01.360 --> 02:41:03.680
on administrative activities.
02:41:03.680 --> 02:41:07.820
Item 27 is the activity
update by the Klamath River
02:41:07.820 --> 02:41:11.460
Renewal Corporation for 2019 and 2020.
02:41:11.460 --> 02:41:15.450
Mark Bronson, chief executive
officer of the Klamath River
02:41:20.070 --> 02:41:20.903
Renewal Corporation,
KRRC and Laurie Hazlitt,
02:41:20.903 --> 02:41:21.736
chief financial officer
and chief operating officer
02:41:21.736 --> 02:41:26.270
of KRRC will present the update.
02:41:26.270 --> 02:41:29.060
Mr. Benson and Ms.
Hazlitt, you may begin.
02:41:32.809 --> 02:41:34.550
Thank you, President
Batjer, Commissioners.
02:41:34.550 --> 02:41:37.590
This is Mark Bransom,
chief executive officer
02:41:38.668 --> 02:41:40.465
of the Klamath river
renewal corporation.
02:41:40.465 --> 02:41:42.390
I believe we'll have a
presentation coming up
02:41:42.390 --> 02:41:46.006
on the WebEx for us momentarily.
02:41:46.006 --> 02:41:51.006
We're pleased to be with you
today for our annual update
02:41:51.720 --> 02:41:53.470
on our activities.
02:41:54.700 --> 02:41:57.247
So if we can move into the presentation
02:41:57.247 --> 02:42:01.570
and advance to the next slide.
02:42:04.410 --> 02:42:05.243
Thank you.
02:42:07.263 --> 02:42:08.920
So we'll be moving fairly quickly
02:42:08.920 --> 02:42:11.040
through the agenda topics today.
02:42:11.040 --> 02:42:13.720
The purpose of our presentation
is to provide the Commission
02:42:13.720 --> 02:42:17.283
on an update of the implementation
of the funding agreement
02:42:17.283 --> 02:42:20.040
that supports our activities.
02:42:20.040 --> 02:42:23.122
To that end, we'll provide
you with a high level
02:42:23.122 --> 02:42:26.160
financial overview, review
some of our accomplishments
02:42:26.160 --> 02:42:27.740
since March of last year,
02:42:28.888 --> 02:42:31.330
look ahead to some
of our critical path tasks
02:42:31.330 --> 02:42:34.380
and activities, and then
stand for any questions
02:42:34.380 --> 02:42:36.045
you might have.
02:42:36.045 --> 02:42:37.720
So next slide, and I will
hand it off to Laura Hazlitt
02:42:37.720 --> 02:42:38.670
to walk us through.
02:42:39.685 --> 02:42:40.518
Thank you.
02:42:41.450 --> 02:42:44.346
Thank you, Mark and
thank you President Batjer
02:42:44.346 --> 02:42:46.230
and Commissioners for the
opportunity to present today.
02:42:46.230 --> 02:42:47.063
Next slide.
02:42:49.480 --> 02:42:52.940
So as a brief reminder,
we have 450 million
02:42:52.940 --> 02:42:55.480
in funding for the removal of four dams
02:42:55.480 --> 02:42:57.740
along the lower Klamath river.
02:42:57.740 --> 02:43:01.070
200 million of that funding
comes from Oregon and California
02:43:01.070 --> 02:43:05.864
public utility Commissioner,
dollars and accrued interest.
02:43:05.864 --> 02:43:10.864
16 million or 8% of that
200 million is from California
02:43:11.920 --> 02:43:13.170
rate payers.
02:43:13.170 --> 02:43:15.420
And then the remainder
of the 450 million
02:43:15.420 --> 02:43:19.940
comes from a top one
water bond for $250 million.
02:43:19.940 --> 02:43:20.890
Next slide, please.
02:43:23.270 --> 02:43:27.870
We are and have been
in phase two of this project
02:43:27.870 --> 02:43:30.080
since mid 2017.
02:43:30.990 --> 02:43:34.730
On the current
schedule, which is at risk,
02:43:34.730 --> 02:43:35.837
significantly at risk,
02:43:35.837 --> 02:43:39.960
we would remain in phase
two through June of 2021.
02:43:39.960 --> 02:43:42.390
At which point we would
move into phase three
02:43:42.390 --> 02:43:43.750
for facilities removal.
02:43:45.180 --> 02:43:49.320
The budget is based on a
timeline of dam deCommissioning
02:43:49.320 --> 02:43:53.760
in 2022 and being on site
for some site prep items
02:43:53.760 --> 02:43:56.390
such as moving the Lyrica water line
02:43:56.390 --> 02:44:01.390
and upgrading the Fall
Creek hatchery in 2021.
02:44:03.230 --> 02:44:07.400
If that schedule shifts,
this budget breakdown
02:44:07.400 --> 02:44:08.450
will also shift.
02:44:09.543 --> 02:44:12.260
And we will need to, as
you can see right now,
02:44:12.260 --> 02:44:15.560
we're intending to use the $450 million.
02:44:15.560 --> 02:44:17.664
If there were a shift in schedule,
02:44:17.664 --> 02:44:21.525
we will need to be creative
in terms of how to make
02:44:21.525 --> 02:44:24.220
the budget work and potentially
identify some new sources.
02:44:25.861 --> 02:44:27.361
Next slide please.
02:44:28.590 --> 02:44:32.410
So this is just a graphic of how
much money has been spent
02:44:32.410 --> 02:44:33.740
in each of the phases.
02:44:33.740 --> 02:44:38.390
You'll see that roughly 70%
have been spent in phase two.
02:44:38.390 --> 02:44:41.221
And again, depending on the timeline,
02:44:41.221 --> 02:44:43.516
we may need to adjust these numbers
02:44:43.516 --> 02:44:45.020
and add a little bit more
budget to phase two
02:44:45.020 --> 02:44:46.650
and possibly phase three.
02:44:47.500 --> 02:44:48.400
Next slide please.
02:44:50.330 --> 02:44:54.460
And this is just the breakdown
of the CPUC 16 million.
02:44:55.483 --> 02:44:57.910
It follows the same
breakdown of the total project.
02:44:57.910 --> 02:45:01.460
As we get out of phase
two and enter phase three.
02:45:01.460 --> 02:45:04.430
At that point, the public
utility Commission dollars
02:45:04.430 --> 02:45:07.670
will have been spent and
the last money to be spent
02:45:08.760 --> 02:45:09.760
is the bond funding.
02:45:12.082 --> 02:45:14.030
Next slide, please.
02:45:14.030 --> 02:45:17.382
One final item before we
move on to our accomplishments
02:45:17.382 --> 02:45:20.040
that we've achieved since last year,
02:45:21.237 --> 02:45:22.300
one final comment on the budget.
02:45:22.300 --> 02:45:25.850
So if there is a delay, as I mentioned,
02:45:25.850 --> 02:45:29.180
we are going to need
to come up with ways
02:45:29.180 --> 02:45:32.060
to continue to tighten
our belts and be creative
02:45:32.060 --> 02:45:34.390
with the project and potentially
02:45:34.390 --> 02:45:37.543
find some additional funding
to make the project proceed.
02:45:37.543 --> 02:45:39.990
We believe we can do that.
02:45:39.990 --> 02:45:42.580
But I wanna be very clear
that we have a set amount
02:45:42.580 --> 02:45:45.210
of contingency for the
project from the time
02:45:45.210 --> 02:45:47.440
that we actually
began work in the field.
02:45:47.440 --> 02:45:51.070
And that contingency is based
on a Monte Carlo analysis.
02:45:51.070 --> 02:45:54.770
And it's based on the
PAT results of that analysis.
02:45:56.240 --> 02:46:00.020
And the thought is if there is a delay
02:46:00.020 --> 02:46:02.820
and there is some need the
fact that additional funding,
02:46:03.720 --> 02:46:06.440
in no circumstance, would
we deviate from the plan
02:46:06.440 --> 02:46:10.270
to start the project based
on a level of contingency
02:46:10.270 --> 02:46:13.380
that comes out of that
Monte Carlos simulation.
02:46:14.300 --> 02:46:17.400
So I wanna be very clear
that we have assessed
02:46:18.421 --> 02:46:19.640
the risks of this project.
02:46:19.640 --> 02:46:21.460
We believe that there is a
certain amount of contingency
02:46:21.460 --> 02:46:22.580
that is necessary for those risks.
02:46:22.580 --> 02:46:25.720
And if there is a delay,
we do not intend to dip
02:46:25.720 --> 02:46:28.899
into the contingency
for the cost of this delays.
02:46:28.899 --> 02:46:31.550
Okay, moving forward to the next slide.
02:46:34.002 --> 02:46:36.480
So just very quickly, you
have these in front of you.
02:46:37.520 --> 02:46:39.360
But a few highlights
from our accomplishments
02:46:39.360 --> 02:46:40.690
since last time we presented.
02:46:41.763 --> 02:46:43.730
We've had another year of clean audits.
02:46:43.730 --> 02:46:47.423
So we have an independent
auditor who comes in every year.
02:46:47.423 --> 02:46:50.018
They're actually working on
the fiscal 20 audit right now.
02:46:50.018 --> 02:46:53.900
The fiscal 19 audit was clean.
02:46:53.900 --> 02:46:56.440
Separately, the Oregon
public utility Commission
02:46:56.440 --> 02:46:58.530
does their own audit
on the calendar year.
02:46:58.530 --> 02:47:02.260
And we had a clean
calendar year 2018 audit
02:47:02.260 --> 02:47:05.640
from Oregon public utility Commission.
02:47:06.940 --> 02:47:10.562
And then the budget is
obviously very important
02:47:10.562 --> 02:47:11.395
for us to set every year.
02:47:11.395 --> 02:47:12.600
And we set it on an annual basis
02:47:12.600 --> 02:47:15.159
with the full project budget in mind.
02:47:15.159 --> 02:47:16.663
The fiscal 21 budget was approved.
02:47:16.663 --> 02:47:19.760
It does assume that
certain activities will happen
02:47:19.760 --> 02:47:24.260
to gear up for
construction in late 2021.
02:47:24.260 --> 02:47:26.480
And obviously if that
schedule gets pushed,
02:47:27.650 --> 02:47:30.430
the annual budget for
this year will come in
02:47:30.430 --> 02:47:31.430
significantly under.
02:47:32.290 --> 02:47:33.240
Next slide, please.
02:47:36.202 --> 02:47:38.222
On the operations and
technical preparation,
02:47:38.222 --> 02:47:42.360
it was a very big accomplishment
to negotiate the GMPs
02:47:43.364 --> 02:47:46.490
with Kiewit and Rez
prior to the February 2020
02:47:46.490 --> 02:47:48.840
folks the middle,
that took a lot of work
02:47:49.820 --> 02:47:53.320
across the full project team
and to come up with a project
02:47:53.320 --> 02:47:55.870
that the 60% design level and a price
02:47:55.870 --> 02:47:58.170
that's appropriate for that 60% design
02:47:58.170 --> 02:47:59.570
that is also within budget.
02:48:00.600 --> 02:48:03.642
Significant accomplishment
during this period
02:48:03.642 --> 02:48:06.560
was engaging Mort
McMillan of McMillan Jacobs
02:48:06.560 --> 02:48:08.385
as the owner's representative.
02:48:08.385 --> 02:48:12.850
His role for the project is
to do very detailed review
02:48:12.850 --> 02:48:15.990
of all design drawings
of all costs elements,
02:48:15.990 --> 02:48:17.830
of all of the existing conditions,
02:48:17.830 --> 02:48:20.082
so that when we get into the field,
02:48:20.082 --> 02:48:24.860
A, we've been as efficient
as we can to match the dollars
02:48:24.860 --> 02:48:27.760
to the design, but also so
that when we get into the field
02:48:29.022 --> 02:48:31.620
and there are some
things that are unexpected,
02:48:31.620 --> 02:48:34.670
we have a really clear
understanding with the contractor
02:48:34.670 --> 02:48:38.700
of what was within their
guaranteed maximum price
02:48:38.700 --> 02:48:41.710
and what might be
considered an uncontrollable
02:48:41.710 --> 02:48:44.000
or an uncontrollable circumstance.
02:48:44.000 --> 02:48:46.840
And so more McMillan has
spent significant amount of time
02:48:46.840 --> 02:48:51.050
with our contractor team
working to optimize the budget
02:48:51.050 --> 02:48:54.580
and make sure that we
fully understand everything
02:48:54.580 --> 02:48:57.510
on a line item basis so
that when we get in the field,
02:48:57.510 --> 02:49:00.984
there aren't any surprises
in terms of how we deal
02:49:00.984 --> 02:49:03.150
with what may come up.
02:49:04.860 --> 02:49:07.520
And then I mentioned earlier,
the Monte Carlo analysis,
02:49:07.520 --> 02:49:10.550
this is really important because
we update our risk register
02:49:10.550 --> 02:49:11.800
on a regular basis.
02:49:11.800 --> 02:49:14.710
And that informs the contingency level.
02:49:14.710 --> 02:49:19.420
Over time, the risk register
gets updated as certain risks
02:49:19.420 --> 02:49:20.253
get resolved.
02:49:21.104 --> 02:49:24.660
And we have indicated the both FERC
02:49:24.660 --> 02:49:27.623
and the board of consultants
that we will updated
02:49:27.623 --> 02:49:28.470
on a regular basis, which we do.
02:49:28.470 --> 02:49:32.923
And we will run a final
Monte-Carlo right after we have
02:49:32.923 --> 02:49:36.180
all of our permit terms and conditions
02:49:36.180 --> 02:49:40.210
to determine that final P80
level for our contingency.
02:49:41.110 --> 02:49:43.070
And then finally we
completed the definite
02:49:43.070 --> 02:49:44.310
deCommissioning plan.
02:49:45.205 --> 02:49:48.610
The updated definite
deCommissioning plan
02:49:48.610 --> 02:49:50.050
will be submitted to FORC
02:49:50.050 --> 02:49:53.622
along with the licensed
surrender application
02:49:53.622 --> 02:49:56.290
once the parties agree to do so.
02:49:56.290 --> 02:49:57.123
Next slide.
02:49:59.787 --> 02:50:01.905
We continue stakeholder
and community engagement.
02:50:01.905 --> 02:50:04.330
This has been really important for us
02:50:04.330 --> 02:50:08.910
because there are several
neighbors alongside the project.
02:50:08.910 --> 02:50:12.163
Some people whose
property we need access to
02:50:12.163 --> 02:50:16.325
in order to create
access to the project site.
02:50:16.325 --> 02:50:20.080
So there's been a lot of
work with not only the tribe
02:50:20.080 --> 02:50:22.620
and on certain issues
around cultural resources,
02:50:22.620 --> 02:50:25.070
but also with the local community
02:50:25.070 --> 02:50:27.400
on how they may be impacted
02:50:27.400 --> 02:50:30.500
in order to get as much
knowledge as possible out there
02:50:30.500 --> 02:50:31.550
about the project.
02:50:31.550 --> 02:50:36.090
And also to enable,
again, some of that access
02:50:38.663 --> 02:50:40.282
that will be needed.
02:50:40.282 --> 02:50:41.199
Next slide.
02:50:42.510 --> 02:50:46.640
On the regulatory front,
the biggest accomplishment
02:50:46.640 --> 02:50:49.890
I would say is with submitting
the guaranteed maximum price
02:50:49.890 --> 02:50:54.540
in February, 2020, along
with the updated Monte Carlo,
02:50:54.540 --> 02:50:57.290
we were at the point in July of 2020,
02:50:57.290 --> 02:51:00.500
where we now have what we
need to submit the amended license
02:51:00.500 --> 02:51:03.310
to render application,
which is really the next step
02:51:03.310 --> 02:51:05.990
to get the surrender order going.
02:51:05.990 --> 02:51:07.970
We continue to engage over time
02:51:07.970 --> 02:51:10.180
the board of consultants
is they have questions
02:51:10.180 --> 02:51:13.750
relating to the project
and their opinions
02:51:14.665 --> 02:51:17.660
will obviously be very important
to FERC in FERC review.
02:51:19.286 --> 02:51:21.600
And then of course, we
received the final FERC license
02:51:21.600 --> 02:51:23.790
transfer order in July of 2020.
02:51:25.630 --> 02:51:26.463
Next slide.
02:51:29.000 --> 02:51:31.720
From more of a
environmental perspective,
02:51:31.720 --> 02:51:33.610
we've received the final four,
02:51:34.466 --> 02:51:37.142
one water quality
certification and the final
02:51:37.142 --> 02:51:39.301
environmental impact
report from California.
02:51:39.301 --> 02:51:42.170
We've submitted our
clean water act, section 404.
02:51:42.170 --> 02:51:45.281
And then we continue to advance items
02:51:45.281 --> 02:51:47.190
such as the property transfer agreement
02:51:47.190 --> 02:51:49.960
between Pacific Corp and KRC,
02:51:49.960 --> 02:51:53.200
which the thought is over
time, once the project is done,
02:51:53.200 --> 02:51:55.410
that property will
transfer to the state.
02:51:55.410 --> 02:51:58.481
And so they've been
in close collaboration
02:51:58.481 --> 02:52:01.990
with Pacific Lauren
KRRC on that negotiation.
02:52:03.410 --> 02:52:05.930
There are several other
ongoing regulatory efforts
02:52:05.930 --> 02:52:07.665
that we take.
02:52:07.665 --> 02:52:09.790
And over the last year, we've
made quite good progress
02:52:10.643 --> 02:52:12.710
on all of them and have
had very good productive,
02:52:14.579 --> 02:52:15.880
and collaborative
conversations with the agencies.
02:52:15.880 --> 02:52:17.730
And Mark, back to you for next steps.
02:52:22.060 --> 02:52:23.210
And next slide, please.
02:52:26.080 --> 02:52:27.210
Thank you, Laura.
02:52:28.522 --> 02:52:33.522
So KRRC continues to
push hard on all fronts,
02:52:33.670 --> 02:52:37.800
as the Commission knows
FERC did issue the license
02:52:37.800 --> 02:52:42.800
transfer order July 16th.
02:52:45.164 --> 02:52:48.880
And so a major focus
for the KRRC currently
02:52:48.880 --> 02:52:51.560
is to continue our
support for the principals
02:52:52.470 --> 02:52:56.421
to address issues associated
with FERC's transfer order.
02:52:56.421 --> 02:52:59.520
And we are working on that closely
02:52:59.520 --> 02:53:02.070
with all of the principals
while we continue
02:53:02.070 --> 02:53:06.585
to make progress on all
of the technical regulatory
02:53:06.585 --> 02:53:09.990
and legal efforts that
will get us to a position
02:53:09.990 --> 02:53:13.450
to be ready to commence with dam removal
02:53:13.450 --> 02:53:17.260
once all the parties
are prepared to proceed.
02:53:17.260 --> 02:53:20.680
We are currently looking
at the 90% designs
02:53:20.680 --> 02:53:24.760
and specifications for dam
removal and completing work
02:53:24.760 --> 02:53:27.010
that will allow us to
proceed with a number
02:53:27.861 --> 02:53:30.670
of the enabling projects that
need to be done in advance
02:53:30.670 --> 02:53:33.300
of reservoir, draw down and dam removal.
02:53:34.844 --> 02:53:38.263
We hope soon to finalize several
memorandum of understanding
02:53:38.263 --> 02:53:41.984
with state agencies and
local counties that will spell out
02:53:41.984 --> 02:53:46.930
terms and conditions of various
permits and KRRC obligations
02:53:46.930 --> 02:53:51.250
with regard to monitoring
and reporting protections
02:53:51.250 --> 02:53:54.920
and improvements of local
transportation infrastructure
02:53:54.920 --> 02:53:57.070
and other such things.
02:53:57.980 --> 02:54:01.280
We are hopeful that we
can continue to move forward
02:54:01.280 --> 02:54:04.820
on license surrender
activities that will further
02:54:04.820 --> 02:54:08.890
reduce the uncertainty
around the final permit
02:54:08.890 --> 02:54:13.224
terms and conditions that
will allow us to move forward
02:54:13.224 --> 02:54:16.440
on NEPA, to move forward
with Endangered Species Act
02:54:16.440 --> 02:54:20.080
consultation once we
submit the final biological
02:54:20.080 --> 02:54:21.580
assessment to FERC,
02:54:21.580 --> 02:54:24.537
Laura mentioned that
we're working to submit
02:54:24.537 --> 02:54:27.236
the property transfer
agreement to the PUC
02:54:27.236 --> 02:54:30.340
in the near term for the
asset transfer approvals.
02:54:30.340 --> 02:54:33.540
We're in the process of
standing up a local impact
02:54:33.540 --> 02:54:36.490
mitigation fund and
hiring an administrator
02:54:36.490 --> 02:54:39.090
to address private property impacts
02:54:39.090 --> 02:54:44.090
and other claims in advance
of undertaking the dam removal.
02:54:44.780 --> 02:54:48.894
We will complete the annual
audit that's getting underway
02:54:48.894 --> 02:54:52.500
and continue with our
regulatory processes
02:54:52.500 --> 02:54:53.880
and stakeholder outreach,
02:54:53.880 --> 02:54:56.440
all with an objective of being prepared
02:54:56.440 --> 02:55:01.440
to initiate dam removal, but
at the earliest possible time
02:55:02.940 --> 02:55:05.619
once all the principal
parties are agreed
02:55:05.619 --> 02:55:07.616
that they're prepared to do so.
02:55:07.616 --> 02:55:11.460
So with that, I will
finalize the presentation
02:55:11.460 --> 02:55:13.560
and stand for any questions.
02:55:13.560 --> 02:55:15.792
President Batjer, thank you.
02:55:15.792 --> 02:55:18.356
Commissioners again, appreciate
the opportunity to present.
02:55:18.356 --> 02:55:20.260
Well, thank you.
02:55:20.260 --> 02:55:24.097
This is a fascinating, great progress.
02:55:24.097 --> 02:55:28.120
I was thinking as I was
looking through the slides earlier
02:55:28.120 --> 02:55:30.233
in preparation for the meeting,
02:55:30.233 --> 02:55:35.030
that when I was cabinet
secretary quite some time ago,
02:55:35.030 --> 02:55:36.890
the negotiations was still going on.
02:55:36.890 --> 02:55:39.550
It was very nice to
come back to the state
02:55:39.550 --> 02:55:42.812
and see the progress
that had been made finally.
02:55:42.812 --> 02:55:45.530
So appreciate the
presentation very much,
02:55:45.530 --> 02:55:49.350
Mr. Ramson and this
has what I will turn over
02:55:50.271 --> 02:55:52.290
to my fellow Commissioners to
see if they have any questions
02:55:53.255 --> 02:55:54.255
or comments.
02:55:55.350 --> 02:55:56.700
Yes, Commissioner Randolph.
02:55:58.490 --> 02:56:01.220
Thank you, Laura and
Mark for the presentation.
02:56:02.540 --> 02:56:04.050
I have a couple of questions.
02:56:05.043 --> 02:56:09.810
The first is, it
sounds like it is critical
02:56:09.810 --> 02:56:13.970
to meet these timelines
in order to keep the budget
02:56:13.970 --> 02:56:15.270
where it needs to be.
02:56:16.751 --> 02:56:20.720
And I guess my question
is, are you able to continue
02:56:23.590 --> 02:56:28.020
making progress on the work with FERC
02:56:28.020 --> 02:56:33.020
as the parties are sort of engaging
02:56:33.320 --> 02:56:36.090
in additional discussions
after the FERC order?
02:56:37.120 --> 02:56:40.140
In other words, as you
mentioned, there's gonna be
02:56:40.140 --> 02:56:43.810
a lot of detail that needs
to be provided by FERC
02:56:46.374 --> 02:56:50.070
so you understand all the work
that's gonna need to be done.
02:56:50.070 --> 02:56:53.110
Can that proceed while these
discussions are going on?
02:56:55.760 --> 02:56:57.514
Yeah, Commissioner Randolph,
02:56:57.514 --> 02:56:58.994
thank you for the question.
02:56:58.994 --> 02:57:01.590
There are a number of areas
where we are able to continue
02:57:01.590 --> 02:57:03.590
to make significant progress.
02:57:04.451 --> 02:57:07.377
Those are primarily related
to advancing the design
02:57:07.377 --> 02:57:11.430
and certain regulatory work.
02:57:11.430 --> 02:57:13.830
But we remain hopeful that the parties
02:57:13.830 --> 02:57:17.650
will soon get to a point
where they are comfortable
02:57:17.650 --> 02:57:22.340
and prepared to move forward
with filing the amended license
02:57:22.340 --> 02:57:24.610
surrender application at FERC to file
02:57:25.450 --> 02:57:28.060
the biological assessment
so that FERC can undertake
02:57:28.060 --> 02:57:33.060
the important regulatory
steps that they need to do
02:57:33.352 --> 02:57:38.352
as they develop their decision
on the license surrender.
02:57:38.863 --> 02:57:43.740
So the parties continue
to discuss the issues,
02:57:43.740 --> 02:57:47.320
as I mentioned, that were
raised by the FERC order.
02:57:47.320 --> 02:57:51.860
We have done some preparations
to assess budget implications
02:57:51.860 --> 02:57:54.640
of at least a one year delay.
02:57:54.640 --> 02:57:57.890
Laura could speak to
that more if there's interest.
02:57:57.890 --> 02:58:02.310
But we need cooperation
from Pacific and from the States
02:58:02.310 --> 02:58:06.290
and the tribes to aggressively
advance the discussions
02:58:06.290 --> 02:58:07.980
that are currently underway.
02:58:07.980 --> 02:58:10.170
And hopefully soon
we will get to a position
02:58:10.170 --> 02:58:13.092
where we're making
these important filings
02:58:13.092 --> 02:58:16.870
and then moving forward
on those regulatory front
02:58:16.870 --> 02:58:20.940
so that we have the best
chance of getting in the water
02:58:20.940 --> 02:58:23.510
as quickly as possible and not sustain
02:58:23.510 --> 02:58:25.680
any significant delays
in implementation.
02:58:27.760 --> 02:58:30.330
And do we have
representatives of the company
02:58:30.330 --> 02:58:32.890
available today?
02:58:34.731 --> 02:58:36.652
Good
afternoon, Dustin Till,
02:58:36.652 --> 02:58:39.194
I'm assistant general counsel
is available for Pacific Corp.
02:58:39.194 --> 02:58:42.920
Okay, great, thank you.
02:58:45.185 --> 02:58:46.690
So, as I understand it, the principals
02:58:46.690 --> 02:58:51.150
are having conversations
around the company's concern
02:58:51.150 --> 02:58:56.150
that FERC is requiring
them to remain co licensee.
02:58:56.310 --> 02:58:57.150
Is that correct?
02:58:59.030 --> 02:59:00.460
That is correct.
02:59:00.460 --> 02:59:05.389
We're in the meet and confer
process that the settlement
02:59:05.389 --> 02:59:06.910
agreement established.
02:59:07.850 --> 02:59:11.580
And so we're working
with our settlement partners.
02:59:11.580 --> 02:59:14.830
We can't really get into the
details of any negotiations
02:59:14.830 --> 02:59:17.350
that we're having right now,
02:59:17.350 --> 02:59:22.350
but are working very closely
with both California, Oregon,
02:59:23.260 --> 02:59:26.010
private stakeholders and
the renewal corporation
02:59:27.207 --> 02:59:30.420
through the agreed to
dispute resolution process
02:59:30.420 --> 02:59:31.520
within the settlement.
02:59:33.750 --> 02:59:38.750
Okay, is the company still
prepared to move forward
02:59:39.470 --> 02:59:40.320
with the project?
02:59:43.487 --> 02:59:45.670
Well, Pacific
Corp continues to support
02:59:45.670 --> 02:59:50.550
the KHSA settlement and the
kind of the negotiated outcome
02:59:50.550 --> 02:59:54.210
within the settlement and
what we're all working together
02:59:54.210 --> 02:59:58.806
right now is to figure out how,
and whether we can conform
02:59:58.806 --> 03:00:02.750
FERC's to order with
the settlement agreement
03:00:02.750 --> 03:00:04.560
that was reached between the parties
03:00:05.830 --> 03:00:08.190
and with the ultimate objective
03:00:08.190 --> 03:00:11.880
of trying to move this project
forward while delivering
03:00:11.880 --> 03:00:15.260
all of the negotiated benefits
that the parties agreed to
03:00:15.260 --> 03:00:17.930
back in 2010, and then again in 2016
03:00:17.930 --> 03:00:19.530
when the settlement was amended.
03:00:22.350 --> 03:00:26.420
Okay, 'cause I guess my concern
03:00:26.420 --> 03:00:31.227
is we have a huge
opportunity of $250 million
03:00:31.227 --> 03:00:35.170
worth of bond money
that the state of California
03:00:35.170 --> 03:00:37.970
is ready to put forward
towards this project.
03:00:39.270 --> 03:00:44.270
And obviously we want
that used to happen
03:00:45.410 --> 03:00:49.510
and that money goes away and it doesn't,
03:00:49.510 --> 03:00:53.060
if it's gone, if the agreement
falls apart and it's gone,
03:00:53.060 --> 03:00:57.300
then Pacific Corp is
left with these assets
03:00:57.300 --> 03:01:02.300
that are a on rate payers
and have lost $250 million
03:01:02.950 --> 03:01:05.800
worth of money that could
have taken that burden
03:01:05.800 --> 03:01:07.440
away from the company.
03:01:07.440 --> 03:01:12.440
So I think we really want to
see this agreement succeed.
03:01:14.149 --> 03:01:16.180
And I hope the company
is committed to doing so.
03:01:18.468 --> 03:01:19.683
Well,
Commissioner, Randolph,
03:01:19.683 --> 03:01:21.990
I appreciate that comment
and we're very aware
03:01:21.990 --> 03:01:26.800
of the kind of the dynamics
around the California bond money
03:01:26.800 --> 03:01:31.300
and are aware of the
dynamic that you described.
03:01:31.300 --> 03:01:33.790
And that's certainly a
factor that everyone's taking
03:01:33.790 --> 03:01:36.890
into consideration is
we all work together
03:01:36.890 --> 03:01:40.400
to try to chart a path
forward with this project
03:01:40.400 --> 03:01:43.110
in light of FERC order.
03:01:43.110 --> 03:01:46.308
Okay, thanks, I'll let
my other colleagues
03:01:46.308 --> 03:01:48.840
make comments or ask questions.
03:01:51.184 --> 03:01:52.219
Other questions.
03:01:52.219 --> 03:01:53.750
Yes, Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
03:01:53.750 --> 03:01:57.416
Well, I appreciate
impart those comments
03:01:57.416 --> 03:01:59.266
in response to Commissioner Randolph,
03:02:00.240 --> 03:02:02.590
but I was hoping for a little
bit more of an enthusiastic
03:02:02.590 --> 03:02:07.310
joinder about Pacific Corp's
intent to leave no stone
03:02:07.310 --> 03:02:10.450
unturned to make sure
that the project goes forward
03:02:12.096 --> 03:02:15.080
and that the parties work out
the concerns raised by FERC.
03:02:16.400 --> 03:02:19.060
I understand you can't get
into confidential settlement
03:02:19.060 --> 03:02:24.060
discussions, but surely
there has to be a path forward.
03:02:25.280 --> 03:02:28.450
And it's not just in
the interest of the state
03:02:28.450 --> 03:02:33.300
and rate payers for some
of the money we spent in
03:02:33.300 --> 03:02:35.050
and all the environmental benefits,
03:02:36.295 --> 03:02:38.445
but it's in Pacific
Corp's strong interest,
03:02:39.390 --> 03:02:40.270
I think, and certainly consistent
03:02:41.276 --> 03:02:43.640
with the environmental
path in the direction
03:02:43.640 --> 03:02:45.770
that the company has been moving
03:02:45.770 --> 03:02:47.940
and your parent
company's moving forward.
03:02:47.940 --> 03:02:50.639
So I'm just a little bit underwhelmed
03:02:50.639 --> 03:02:54.240
by your response.
03:02:55.138 --> 03:02:56.260
But I'll take it from what it is
03:02:56.260 --> 03:02:59.550
unless you wanna add
anything about your commitment
03:02:59.550 --> 03:03:03.398
to resolving this?
03:03:03.398 --> 03:03:05.877
No, thank
you for the comment.
03:03:05.877 --> 03:03:07.500
And I certainly don't want to leave you,
03:03:08.478 --> 03:03:10.376
leave the Commission with the impression
03:03:10.376 --> 03:03:12.570
that of the Pacific Corp's
support for the settlement
03:03:12.570 --> 03:03:15.838
is somehow less than enthusiastic.
03:03:15.838 --> 03:03:20.110
We've been working with
the settlement coalition
03:03:20.110 --> 03:03:23.320
for over a decade and we're continuing
03:03:23.320 --> 03:03:27.715
to work with the settlement
coalition at the highest levels
03:03:27.715 --> 03:03:29.134
of our company.
03:03:29.134 --> 03:03:31.934
And we're committed to
trying to find a pathway forward,
03:03:33.120 --> 03:03:34.440
whether it's within the settlement,
03:03:34.440 --> 03:03:38.500
as it's currently envisioned
or within an alternative
03:03:38.500 --> 03:03:41.310
to that settlement that
would achieve the benefit.
03:03:41.310 --> 03:03:44.990
We recognize the kind of
the public policy preference
03:03:44.990 --> 03:03:47.850
in the state of California
and the state of Oregon.
03:03:47.850 --> 03:03:52.135
We recognize that we have facilities
03:03:52.135 --> 03:03:54.090
that have an outstanding
relicensing obligation.
03:03:54.090 --> 03:03:58.070
And so we're trying to find
a solution we're confident
03:03:58.070 --> 03:04:02.640
that we'll be able to, if
anything, the settlement coalition
03:04:02.640 --> 03:04:05.378
has proven over the last decade
03:04:05.378 --> 03:04:08.090
that it's a durable coalition
03:04:08.090 --> 03:04:10.030
and it's a resilient coalition.
03:04:10.030 --> 03:04:12.830
And when we've been faced
with challenges in the past,
03:04:12.830 --> 03:04:15.740
we've always found pathways for success.
03:04:15.740 --> 03:04:20.000
And I'm certain that we'll
be able to do that here.
03:04:22.480 --> 03:04:24.360
Okay, that sounds a
little more optimistic.
03:04:24.360 --> 03:04:28.980
I had one other question,
if I could for Laura or Mark.
03:04:29.930 --> 03:04:34.930
And on one of your slides,
there's a mention of insurance,
03:04:35.640 --> 03:04:37.660
which you didn't really
have a chance to cover.
03:04:37.660 --> 03:04:41.110
But could you provide
any more background
03:04:41.110 --> 03:04:44.515
about the insurance
and liability protection
03:04:44.515 --> 03:04:48.320
that you've been able to
obtain for the corporation.
03:04:49.855 --> 03:04:51.105
What it covers?
03:04:52.795 --> 03:04:54.712
Yeah, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen,
03:04:54.712 --> 03:04:56.034
thank you for the question.
03:04:56.034 --> 03:04:57.540
Laura, would you provide
a response please?
03:04:59.895 --> 03:05:01.691
Sure.
03:05:01.691 --> 03:05:03.018
So with respect to insurance,
03:05:03.018 --> 03:05:05.520
I think the policies that
we're most focused on
03:05:09.730 --> 03:05:11.260
are the excess liability policy
03:05:11.260 --> 03:05:14.230
and then also the pollution policies.
03:05:14.230 --> 03:05:18.240
And we have worked with Kiewit.
03:05:18.240 --> 03:05:20.900
Kiewit, will be using
their corporate policy
03:05:22.234 --> 03:05:25.750
with $200 million of
a project specific limit
03:05:25.750 --> 03:05:27.920
for liability coverage.
03:05:27.920 --> 03:05:31.480
The restoration contractor
will have 75 million
03:05:31.480 --> 03:05:36.480
of project specific
insurance for the project.
03:05:37.472 --> 03:05:41.775
And then on top of that KRRC will hold
03:05:41.775 --> 03:05:45.160
an owner's interest policy
with the States and Pacific Corp
03:05:46.288 --> 03:05:47.121
is it as additional insured.
03:05:47.121 --> 03:05:50.751
And right now that is
recommended at $50 million.
03:05:50.751 --> 03:05:53.270
With respect to the
pollution, we'll have
03:05:54.175 --> 03:05:58.157
the pollution legal liability
and the contractor's pollution
03:05:58.157 --> 03:06:00.307
liability with 50
million in length limits.
03:06:02.116 --> 03:06:04.620
There are other policies
such as workers' comp,
03:06:04.620 --> 03:06:07.070
which will be at the statutory level.
03:06:07.070 --> 03:06:12.070
And all of the insurance,
like the excess insurance,
03:06:13.732 --> 03:06:17.240
et cetera, were determined
based on a Monte Carlo analysis
03:06:17.240 --> 03:06:19.140
that was performed by Aon
03:06:19.140 --> 03:06:21.590
of something like 50,000 simulations.
03:06:21.590 --> 03:06:26.590
And they recommended
coverage at pretty close to the 99.5
03:06:26.955 --> 03:06:28.300
percentile level.
03:06:28.300 --> 03:06:32.320
And so that 200 million
in liability coverage
03:06:32.320 --> 03:06:34.120
exceeds that level.
03:06:36.975 --> 03:06:39.756
All right, so it doesn't
sound like there are any sets
03:06:39.756 --> 03:06:42.456
of risks that are not covered
by what you've been able
03:06:43.540 --> 03:06:46.298
to obtain if I'm hearing you correctly.
03:06:46.298 --> 03:06:48.580
In fact, any of your
liability insurance,
03:06:48.580 --> 03:06:50.300
is that a very conservative level.
03:06:51.560 --> 03:06:54.640
We believe that
our liability insurance
03:06:54.640 --> 03:06:56.920
is at a very conservative level.
03:06:56.920 --> 03:07:00.080
At the end of the day,
though, what the insurance
03:07:00.080 --> 03:07:03.380
actually covers gets down
to when you go in place
03:07:03.380 --> 03:07:06.120
the insurance, which
we cannot do until we're
03:07:06.120 --> 03:07:08.320
a few months in front of construction.
03:07:08.320 --> 03:07:10.630
And so at that point, what's
gonna be very important
03:07:10.630 --> 03:07:14.530
for us to do will be the
negotiated way as many exclusions
03:07:14.530 --> 03:07:16.920
as we can to make sure that we have
03:07:16.920 --> 03:07:18.900
the maximum possible coverage.
03:07:21.100 --> 03:07:21.933
Thank you.
03:07:26.535 --> 03:07:28.090
Yes, Commissioner
Guzman Aceves.
03:07:28.090 --> 03:07:28.923
Thank you.
03:07:29.841 --> 03:07:31.480
Well, and thank you for acknowledging
03:07:33.562 --> 03:07:38.443
the commitment to adapt,
whatever terms are necessary
03:07:40.818 --> 03:07:43.589
to continue to move forward.
03:07:43.589 --> 03:07:46.589
I know many times
as we discussed earlier
03:07:46.589 --> 03:07:48.916
in our meeting today, the
federal government has thrown us
03:07:48.916 --> 03:07:49.955
for a loop on things
that we did not anticipate.
03:07:49.955 --> 03:07:51.150
And this is no different.
03:07:51.150 --> 03:07:56.150
But I am very encouraged
to hear the Pacific Corp
03:07:56.670 --> 03:07:57.970
sees a path forward.
03:07:58.840 --> 03:08:02.430
I wanted to ask if you could
give a little more background
03:08:02.430 --> 03:08:06.340
on what a year delay is due to.
03:08:10.250 --> 03:08:12.770
Commissioner Guzman Aceves,
03:08:12.770 --> 03:08:14.460
thank you for the question.
03:08:14.460 --> 03:08:18.972
Yes, as a result of first July
16th, partial transfer order,
03:08:18.972 --> 03:08:23.972
it raises a number of issues
that as we've discussed,
03:08:25.420 --> 03:08:28.315
require the parties
to come back together
03:08:28.315 --> 03:08:33.315
to ensure that the, as
Dustin Till from Pacific Corp
03:08:34.416 --> 03:08:37.850
said that the terms and
conditions are consistent
03:08:37.850 --> 03:08:40.600
with the settlement agreement.
03:08:40.600 --> 03:08:45.100
And we were looking
at a fairly narrow window
03:08:45.100 --> 03:08:50.100
just prior to the FERC
order to get FERC underway
03:08:53.293 --> 03:08:58.293
with other federal regulatory
steps, NEPA in particular,
03:08:58.560 --> 03:08:59.924
to allow us to stay on our schedule
03:08:59.924 --> 03:09:02.840
to initiate the draw down in 2021
03:09:03.788 --> 03:09:05.870
and facilities removal in 2022.
03:09:05.870 --> 03:09:09.390
While that window may
remain partially cracked,
03:09:09.390 --> 03:09:12.060
it is closing quickly.
03:09:12.060 --> 03:09:16.480
So in the absence of our
ability to file the amended license
03:09:16.480 --> 03:09:20.150
surrender application
and request that FERC
03:09:20.150 --> 03:09:25.150
quickly undertake surrender activities,
03:09:25.850 --> 03:09:30.230
we are doing contingency
planning for the prospects
03:09:30.230 --> 03:09:34.150
more and more likely prospect
of a minimum of a year delay.
03:09:35.205 --> 03:09:38.892
So that's the situation
we find ourselves in,
03:09:38.892 --> 03:09:41.680
and we will continue to make
every preparation necessary
03:09:41.680 --> 03:09:43.730
to allow us to be ready to go
03:09:43.730 --> 03:09:47.400
as soon as the principal
parties tell us to do so.
03:09:47.400 --> 03:09:50.100
At this point, the best
we can do is hold out,
03:09:50.100 --> 03:09:55.100
slim hope for 2022 and do
appropriate contingency planning
03:09:55.490 --> 03:09:57.740
for that a minimum of a one year delay.
03:10:01.640 --> 03:10:02.473
Okay.
03:10:08.370 --> 03:10:10.208
Present Batjer.
03:10:10.208 --> 03:10:11.110
Yes.
03:10:12.230 --> 03:10:13.750
Thank you.
03:10:13.750 --> 03:10:16.900
Okay, a comment on a question.
03:10:18.286 --> 03:10:23.180
For a harvest from Pacific
Corp, just your answer
03:10:24.283 --> 03:10:27.843
sounded so guarded
that it made me wonder
03:10:29.570 --> 03:10:32.888
where this project is going,
03:10:32.888 --> 03:10:34.606
but then when you followed on,
03:10:34.606 --> 03:10:37.150
I felt better about it
because I think that we're
03:10:37.150 --> 03:10:40.140
all in concert here that
we wanna see success
03:10:40.140 --> 03:10:40.990
for this project.
03:10:44.041 --> 03:10:45.484
And I am sensitive to
the interplay with FERC
03:10:45.484 --> 03:10:50.484
and the federal administration
or our state effort here
03:10:53.768 --> 03:10:54.830
that the tribes and so forth.
03:10:54.830 --> 03:10:58.160
My question is for Laura or
Mark is on the stakeholder
03:10:58.160 --> 03:10:59.869
and community engagement.
03:10:59.869 --> 03:11:03.020
You talked about some
tremendous efforts being made,
03:11:03.020 --> 03:11:07.230
but what were some key takeaways maybe,
03:11:07.230 --> 03:11:12.130
two or three takeaways in
terms of what the stakeholders
03:11:12.130 --> 03:11:17.067
have to say about the
progress, the proposal,
03:11:17.067 --> 03:11:20.360
and maybe in particular,
the tribal governments
03:11:21.267 --> 03:11:22.100
who signed on to this.
03:11:23.286 --> 03:11:28.017
Any feedback from your
outreach efforts and key takeaways.
03:11:28.890 --> 03:11:31.428
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma,
03:11:31.428 --> 03:11:32.460
thank you for the question.
03:11:32.460 --> 03:11:35.060
There have been a
number of key takeaways.
03:11:35.060 --> 03:11:38.600
I think that the signatories
to the settlement agreement
03:11:39.445 --> 03:11:40.850
and additional stakeholders are sending
03:11:40.850 --> 03:11:45.850
a very unified message
around ensuring that the parties
03:11:48.430 --> 03:11:53.430
have a sense of urgency to
resolve any outstanding issues
03:11:53.760 --> 03:11:56.450
that will allow us to make progress.
03:11:57.406 --> 03:12:01.520
And so to that end in our
communications stakeholder
03:12:02.387 --> 03:12:06.288
outreach efforts, we are
getting a clear indication
03:12:06.288 --> 03:12:09.860
that we should proceed
with Pacific corp's agreement
03:12:09.860 --> 03:12:13.460
to file the amended license
surrender application at FERC,
03:12:14.380 --> 03:12:17.750
but we need Pacific
Corp to endorse doing so.
03:12:19.040 --> 03:12:22.460
There is the sense of urgency leads
03:12:22.460 --> 03:12:27.460
to the need to advance
the other enabling projects
03:12:27.590 --> 03:12:32.590
so that we stand ready to get underway
03:12:32.827 --> 03:12:33.977
as quickly as possible.
03:12:34.988 --> 03:12:36.960
So I think the sense of
urgency and related things
03:12:36.960 --> 03:12:41.960
are primary among the
takeaways from our outreach effort.
03:12:45.808 --> 03:12:47.205
Okay, thank you.
03:12:47.205 --> 03:12:48.409
Understandable, yeah.
03:12:48.409 --> 03:12:50.170
I thank you and for
the presentation today.
03:12:52.864 --> 03:12:56.760
Any other follow up
questions or thoughts?
03:12:57.888 --> 03:13:02.370
Okay, well, thank you
very much, Mark and Laurie,
03:13:02.370 --> 03:13:03.600
I really appreciate your presentation
03:13:03.600 --> 03:13:07.368
and the answers that you've provided
03:13:07.368 --> 03:13:10.300
as well as those from the company.
03:13:10.300 --> 03:13:11.400
So thank you very much.
03:13:11.400 --> 03:13:14.850
We appreciate your involvement
in our Commission meeting
03:13:14.850 --> 03:13:16.223
today in this update.
03:13:16.223 --> 03:13:17.230
Thank you.
03:13:17.230 --> 03:13:19.905
Thank you very much.
03:13:19.905 --> 03:13:21.886
Thank you, bye bye.
03:13:21.886 --> 03:13:22.719
Bye.
03:13:26.965 --> 03:13:30.632
All right, we will move
on in our agenda now
03:13:33.130 --> 03:13:37.490
to agenda item 28, which is
the three large investor owned
03:13:37.490 --> 03:13:38.323
utilities who are here to
present and provide an update
03:13:40.770 --> 03:13:42.471
on the utility customer
outreach during this week,
03:13:42.471 --> 03:13:44.080
public safety power shutoffs.
03:13:44.080 --> 03:13:46.890
I will now turn to acting
executive director,
03:13:46.890 --> 03:13:49.720
Rachel Peterson to introduce the topic
03:13:49.720 --> 03:13:51.320
and the presentations, Rachel.
03:13:53.830 --> 03:13:55.340
Good afternoon
Commissioners.
03:13:55.340 --> 03:13:58.010
Thank you very much
for this opportunity.
03:13:58.010 --> 03:14:02.329
My name is Rachel Peterson,
acting executive director.
03:14:02.329 --> 03:14:06.550
And as you noted earlier
until recently deputy
03:14:06.550 --> 03:14:10.140
executive director for safety
enforcement and policy.
03:14:10.140 --> 03:14:14.570
And it was in that capacity
that we had originally
03:14:14.570 --> 03:14:16.120
planned today's briefing.
03:14:17.350 --> 03:14:22.107
We meant it to follow
up on the public briefings
03:14:22.107 --> 03:14:25.150
that the utilities provided to
you the week of August 10th,
03:14:25.150 --> 03:14:28.600
about their preparation for
public safety power shutoff.
03:14:29.909 --> 03:14:33.560
As occurred this past week.
03:14:34.630 --> 03:14:37.790
Instead, what happened was
they were actually required
03:14:39.447 --> 03:14:40.410
to execute public safety power shut off
03:14:41.368 --> 03:14:44.605
because of a strong wind
event and red flag warnings.
03:14:44.605 --> 03:14:49.090
And so instead of the broader questions
03:14:49.090 --> 03:14:51.340
that we asked the IOUs to follow up on
03:14:53.971 --> 03:14:55.946
such as deployment of batteries
03:14:55.946 --> 03:14:57.930
and permitting and
preparation of community
03:14:57.930 --> 03:14:59.620
resource centers,
03:14:59.620 --> 03:15:02.649
I requested that they provide
a different report today.
03:15:02.649 --> 03:15:05.760
They're each going to
report on their execution
03:15:05.760 --> 03:15:08.650
of customer notifications before
03:15:08.650 --> 03:15:11.280
and during the shut-up
events of this week.
03:15:12.190 --> 03:15:14.970
And the word customers
entails a pretty large
03:15:16.068 --> 03:15:17.390
and different diverse group.
03:15:17.390 --> 03:15:21.783
That includes customers
who hold accounts with utilities
03:15:21.783 --> 03:15:25.490
and anyone else who
signs up for their alerts,
03:15:25.490 --> 03:15:29.230
medical baseline customers
within the medical baseline
03:15:29.230 --> 03:15:30.925
customer group.
03:15:30.925 --> 03:15:33.625
Those who are on critical
care or life support devices
03:15:34.588 --> 03:15:36.690
at home owners of critical facilities
03:15:36.690 --> 03:15:39.980
like telecommunications
providers and water
03:15:39.980 --> 03:15:42.030
and wastewater facilities.
03:15:42.030 --> 03:15:45.400
And of course the public
safety partners there
03:15:45.400 --> 03:15:48.110
who are at cities, counties, and tribes.
03:15:49.590 --> 03:15:53.440
And just before I turn
it to SDG&E to start,
03:15:54.627 --> 03:15:57.790
I just want to give you a
sense of the CPSC staff effort
03:15:58.632 --> 03:16:00.720
during the events this week.
03:16:00.720 --> 03:16:04.000
Among the three divisions
that are focused on wildfire
03:16:04.000 --> 03:16:06.320
and electric system safety,
03:16:06.320 --> 03:16:09.120
which are safety and
enforcement, safety policy
03:16:09.120 --> 03:16:12.525
and wildfire safety, we now have a team
03:16:12.525 --> 03:16:16.290
of nearly a dozen people who themselves
03:16:16.290 --> 03:16:19.460
become very active and engaged
when these events happen.
03:16:19.460 --> 03:16:23.860
So for example, we've had
staff, sometimes several staff
03:16:23.860 --> 03:16:28.340
on every executive and
operational briefing by the utilities
03:16:28.340 --> 03:16:32.030
to the CPUC, Cal OES
and Cal Fires that occurred
03:16:33.873 --> 03:16:36.130
essentially starting
Saturday of last weekend.
03:16:37.210 --> 03:16:39.460
With participation in those Cals,
03:16:40.506 --> 03:16:45.010
they're monitoring every
aspect of the IOUs execution
03:16:45.010 --> 03:16:49.000
from weather modeling,
meteorological forecasting,
03:16:49.000 --> 03:16:52.310
their notifications, their
communications and relationships
03:16:53.308 --> 03:16:57.273
with public safety partners,
their restoration effort.
03:16:57.273 --> 03:17:01.660
We also have staff who are
embedded in the virtual EOC
03:17:02.509 --> 03:17:03.342
themselves.
03:17:03.342 --> 03:17:06.080
So they have even closer
contact and monitoring
03:17:06.080 --> 03:17:09.890
of how the utilities are
executing the events
03:17:10.770 --> 03:17:14.420
and our new tribal advisor
Ken Holbrook has been in touch
03:17:14.420 --> 03:17:17.240
with each utilities tribal liaison,
03:17:17.240 --> 03:17:21.190
and has been participating
in their tribal calls
03:17:21.190 --> 03:17:24.170
and ensuring that they are
coordinating well with tribes.
03:17:25.660 --> 03:17:28.160
So those are just a few
examples of the staff work
03:17:29.729 --> 03:17:32.679
that's gone on over the last
week as these events unfolded.
03:17:33.730 --> 03:17:37.355
And so we've invited the
three utilities here today.
03:17:37.355 --> 03:17:39.810
They're going to
present in the same order
03:17:39.810 --> 03:17:42.350
that they briefed you
the week of August 10th.
03:17:43.336 --> 03:17:46.480
So SDG&E first, then
Southern California Edison,
03:17:47.530 --> 03:17:48.990
and then PG&E.
03:17:48.990 --> 03:17:52.052
Again, they are focused
on execution of the events
03:17:52.052 --> 03:17:53.370
this past week.
03:17:54.371 --> 03:17:56.780
And so I do wanna extend
my appreciation to them
03:17:56.780 --> 03:17:59.630
for all three utilities,
their virtual EOC
03:17:59.630 --> 03:18:01.730
is still activated,
whether it's for PSPS
03:18:03.212 --> 03:18:05.090
or for the wildfires that are burning.
03:18:05.090 --> 03:18:07.220
And so the folks who
are presenting to you
03:18:10.412 --> 03:18:11.760
are also still working
actively on crisis response.
03:18:12.740 --> 03:18:15.730
And so to start, you'll
hear from Scott Crider,
03:18:16.836 --> 03:18:19.310
chief customer officer from SDG&E.
03:18:19.310 --> 03:18:22.650
Next from Mike Marelli, vice president
03:18:22.650 --> 03:18:25.880
of the business customer
division at Edison,
03:18:25.880 --> 03:18:29.360
and then Laurie Jimona,
senior vice president
03:18:29.360 --> 03:18:34.200
and chief customer officer at
PG&E along with Aaron Johnson,
03:18:34.200 --> 03:18:37.230
vice president of wildfire
safety and public engagement.
03:18:38.773 --> 03:18:41.676
They'll eat, speak, but they
know to expect questions
03:18:41.676 --> 03:18:44.540
from you, so I think you can
feel free to ask them questions
03:18:44.540 --> 03:18:47.930
after each one presents as you see fit.
03:18:48.770 --> 03:18:50.870
And with that, I'll
turn it over to Scott.
03:18:55.091 --> 03:18:56.316
Well, great.
03:18:56.316 --> 03:18:58.754
Thank you very much
President Batjer, Commissioners.
03:18:58.754 --> 03:19:00.520
Thank you for the invitation today.
03:19:00.520 --> 03:19:03.420
Again, I'm Scott Crider, chief
customer officer for SDG&E.
03:19:04.373 --> 03:19:07.120
And this has certainly been
a challenging three weeks
03:19:07.120 --> 03:19:10.340
for our customers due to
the really unprecedented
03:19:10.340 --> 03:19:13.150
weather conditions that
we've really experienced
03:19:14.131 --> 03:19:15.570
across the Western United States.
03:19:15.570 --> 03:19:17.830
We've navigated load curtailment risks
03:19:17.830 --> 03:19:20.420
during record setting heat waves,
03:19:20.420 --> 03:19:24.670
a major wildfire that's still
impacting the San Diego region
03:19:24.670 --> 03:19:28.240
and a red flag warning and
wind events that resulted
03:19:28.240 --> 03:19:31.634
in a brief public safety
power shutoff recently.
03:19:31.634 --> 03:19:34.860
Fortunately, the
extreme weathers abated,
03:19:34.860 --> 03:19:37.920
first responders are making
good progress on the fire.
03:19:37.920 --> 03:19:40.500
However, we know that
the peak of fire season
03:19:40.500 --> 03:19:44.410
is still to come and,
but we are well prepared
03:19:44.410 --> 03:19:47.360
for the upcoming season and the season
03:19:47.360 --> 03:19:49.190
that we're already in.
03:19:49.190 --> 03:19:52.730
As I mentioned, we initiated
our first PSPS of the season
03:19:52.730 --> 03:19:54.400
earlier this week.
03:19:54.400 --> 03:19:59.070
And I'm pleased to report
that is executed successfully,
03:19:59.070 --> 03:20:01.270
from an engagement
with public safety partners,
03:20:01.270 --> 03:20:03.430
to customer communications.
03:20:03.430 --> 03:20:08.430
Our customers were aware of
the event and we completed it
03:20:08.510 --> 03:20:09.710
really without incident.
03:20:10.808 --> 03:20:12.330
And I think in fact that this is the end
03:20:12.330 --> 03:20:14.680
is a really good example
of how we can use PSPS
03:20:15.554 --> 03:20:17.900
as a last resort to reduce fire risk
03:20:17.900 --> 03:20:20.990
in a very surgical
manner to limit the impact
03:20:20.990 --> 03:20:22.390
on our customers.
03:20:22.390 --> 03:20:25.150
And our meteorologists said
we're anticipating a moderate
03:20:25.150 --> 03:20:28.395
Santa Ana wind event
across our service territory,
03:20:28.395 --> 03:20:29.670
coupled with low humidity.
03:20:29.670 --> 03:20:31.200
A red flag warning was issued
03:20:31.200 --> 03:20:34.510
by the national weather
service and a fire potential index
03:20:34.510 --> 03:20:36.600
was rated as extreme.
03:20:36.600 --> 03:20:38.910
Based on this forecast,
we initially notified
03:20:38.910 --> 03:20:41.608
about 16,500 customers on Monday,
03:20:41.608 --> 03:20:42.872
more than 24 hours in
advance that dangerous fire
03:20:42.872 --> 03:20:46.216
weather conditions were expected
03:20:46.216 --> 03:20:48.196
and power could be
turned off for safety.
03:20:48.196 --> 03:20:53.196
We're closely monitoring the events
03:20:54.140 --> 03:20:55.800
and the weather conditions
03:20:55.800 --> 03:20:58.440
and our virtual emergency
operations center.
03:20:58.440 --> 03:21:02.731
And in the end, we only
de-energized about 49 customers
03:21:02.731 --> 03:21:03.770
overnight on Tuesday.
03:21:03.770 --> 03:21:06.696
And weather conditions
this time allowed us
03:21:06.696 --> 03:21:08.570
to restore power Wednesday morning.
03:21:08.570 --> 03:21:10.920
30 customers were
without power for about three
03:21:12.095 --> 03:21:14.451
and a half hours while 19
customers were without power
03:21:14.451 --> 03:21:15.955
for about 13 and a half hours.
03:21:15.955 --> 03:21:20.640
Now the weather conditions
don't always allow us
03:21:20.640 --> 03:21:22.570
to restore that quickly.
03:21:22.570 --> 03:21:26.120
But again, this was an example
of how we could take action
03:21:28.296 --> 03:21:29.520
and get customers restored
in relatively short order.
03:21:31.071 --> 03:21:33.672
And, I know today's
focus is on communications
03:21:33.672 --> 03:21:34.711
and engagements.
03:21:34.711 --> 03:21:37.050
So let me briefly outline
some of the additional steps
03:21:37.050 --> 03:21:39.190
that we took to ensure our customers,
03:21:39.190 --> 03:21:41.420
our public safety partners
and key stakeholders
03:21:41.420 --> 03:21:44.300
were informed and
prepared for the event.
03:21:44.300 --> 03:21:47.710
We began agencies,
public safety partners,
03:21:47.710 --> 03:21:51.330
tribal partners on Sunday,
more than 48 hours in advance.
03:21:51.330 --> 03:21:53.280
It did penitential events can be stayed
03:21:54.849 --> 03:21:57.716
in very close communications
03:21:57.716 --> 03:22:00.636
with those stakeholders throughout.
03:22:00.636 --> 03:22:03.776
We had daily calls with San Diego County
03:22:03.776 --> 03:22:05.036
office of emergency services.
03:22:05.036 --> 03:22:07.312
We had four daily
briefings with Calloway
03:22:07.312 --> 03:22:08.562
and CPUC staff.
03:22:10.251 --> 03:22:11.533
We had several updates each
day to Callway tribal affairs,
03:22:13.192 --> 03:22:14.430
as well as CPUC tribal affairs.
03:22:14.430 --> 03:22:17.030
We had frequent contact
directly with individual
03:22:17.030 --> 03:22:19.030
tribal leaders in our region.
03:22:19.030 --> 03:22:21.560
We had daily calls
with two one San Diego,
03:22:21.560 --> 03:22:24.193
which is helping to support
our AFN communities.
03:22:24.193 --> 03:22:28.360
And at the same time, we had
our SDG&E fire coordinators
03:22:28.360 --> 03:22:32.060
at the command post for
the Valley fire in San Diego,
03:22:32.060 --> 03:22:35.360
making sure that we had
good situational awareness,
03:22:35.360 --> 03:22:38.380
that they know about the coming weather
03:22:38.380 --> 03:22:41.780
and what our plans
are potentially for PSPS.
03:22:43.490 --> 03:22:45.340
We also began notifying
critical customers
03:22:45.340 --> 03:22:49.915
like the telecoms water
districts and local school districts
03:22:49.915 --> 03:22:51.091
on Sunday.
03:22:51.091 --> 03:22:52.614
And we stayed in contact with them,
03:22:52.614 --> 03:22:53.450
really thrilled the event.
03:22:53.450 --> 03:22:57.409
And really from a customer
communications perspective,
03:22:57.409 --> 03:23:00.720
we had broad messaging
about the potential for dangerous
03:23:00.720 --> 03:23:04.990
fire weather and potential
PSPS really started
03:23:04.990 --> 03:23:08.050
on Monday more than 24 hours in advance.
03:23:08.050 --> 03:23:10.764
As I mentioned, we
had initially notified
03:23:10.764 --> 03:23:14.120
about 16,500 customers
who we reached them via texts,
03:23:14.120 --> 03:23:16.890
cell phone, email landline.
03:23:16.890 --> 03:23:20.060
We did it in eight prevalent
languages in San Diego.
03:23:20.060 --> 03:23:21.960
We also had extensive media outreach
03:23:21.960 --> 03:23:23.410
to print radio and broadcast.
03:23:24.345 --> 03:23:26.370
And one of the advantages
that we have in San Diego
03:23:26.370 --> 03:23:29.906
is that we're covered
by a single media market.
03:23:29.906 --> 03:23:32.370
And that helps us to have access to six
03:23:32.370 --> 03:23:34.990
or seven TV stations, print, radio,
03:23:34.990 --> 03:23:37.640
that's covering just
our service territory.
03:23:37.640 --> 03:23:40.540
And so we're able to create
really exceptional awareness
03:23:40.540 --> 03:23:44.560
about any potential
dangerous fire weather.
03:23:45.687 --> 03:23:47.480
We were very active on social media,
03:23:47.480 --> 03:23:51.360
kept our website up to date
with the new PSPS page,
03:23:51.360 --> 03:23:53.710
our SDG&E newsroom.
03:23:53.710 --> 03:23:56.786
For the first time we
put out 24 portable signs
03:23:56.786 --> 03:23:59.410
along major roads and thoroughfares,
03:23:59.410 --> 03:24:01.060
again to try to find other channels
03:24:01.060 --> 03:24:03.740
to make sure that we're
creating awareness.
03:24:03.740 --> 03:24:06.944
We use for our first
time, our new PSPS app
03:24:06.944 --> 03:24:11.060
that that is both customers
and non-customers sign up
03:24:11.060 --> 03:24:12.590
that they can get notifications
03:24:12.590 --> 03:24:16.100
and really track the progress
from a potential PSPS
03:24:16.100 --> 03:24:19.150
all the way through reinterpretation.
03:24:19.150 --> 03:24:22.705
But we also recognize, and
we've talked a lot about this,
03:24:22.705 --> 03:24:24.655
about not relying solely on technology,
03:24:25.567 --> 03:24:27.490
'cause we recognize not all
of our customers have phones
03:24:27.490 --> 03:24:30.110
and not everybody has
access to the internet.
03:24:30.110 --> 03:24:32.460
And so for this first event this year,
03:24:33.549 --> 03:24:34.640
we tried something
also a little different,
03:24:34.640 --> 03:24:36.360
very analog approach,
03:24:36.360 --> 03:24:39.040
and actually created a paper flyer
03:24:39.040 --> 03:24:40.500
describing the upcoming PFPs event.
03:24:41.844 --> 03:24:43.140
And we distributed that to partners
03:24:43.140 --> 03:24:45.830
really to kind of our back
country, rural communities,
03:24:45.830 --> 03:24:48.990
but they could post it in community
centers and common areas
03:24:48.990 --> 03:24:50.226
and areas like libraries.
03:24:50.226 --> 03:24:53.780
This was suggested
actually by our wildfire safety
03:24:53.780 --> 03:24:55.850
community advisory council.
03:24:55.850 --> 03:24:58.730
And so that's just one
example of how we're working
03:24:58.730 --> 03:25:00.830
with stakeholders and local communities
03:25:00.830 --> 03:25:03.010
to try to find new ways
to reach customers
03:25:03.010 --> 03:25:04.700
and make sure they're informed.
03:25:04.700 --> 03:25:07.566
Again, this was just the
first time that we did it,
03:25:07.566 --> 03:25:08.399
so we're gonna review how it worked
03:25:08.399 --> 03:25:10.765
and we're gonna continue to iterate
03:25:10.765 --> 03:25:13.099
and see how we can
continue to improve this tactic.
03:25:13.099 --> 03:25:15.549
And then really finally,
we've talked a lot about
03:25:18.063 --> 03:25:19.408
kind of mapping the
metered customers as well.
03:25:19.408 --> 03:25:21.770
And we actually ended
up doing live person calls
03:25:21.770 --> 03:25:23.760
to all impacted mobile home parks
03:25:23.760 --> 03:25:25.760
that were within the potential PSPS area
03:25:26.701 --> 03:25:29.090
to make sure that park
owners were really aware
03:25:29.090 --> 03:25:31.650
of the upcoming event and could share
03:25:31.650 --> 03:25:34.450
a lot of that information
with residents of the area.
03:25:35.890 --> 03:25:39.160
We also activated the
counties or work with the County
03:25:40.265 --> 03:25:41.780
to activate its AFN partner network.
03:25:42.805 --> 03:25:46.190
And as we previously reported to you,
03:25:46.190 --> 03:25:49.408
we've established a
partnership with 211 San Diego
03:25:49.408 --> 03:25:50.447
to help us support vulnerable customers,
03:25:50.447 --> 03:25:55.150
make sure that there's good
awareness of the upcoming event
03:25:56.206 --> 03:25:58.070
and that there's a
support network in place.
03:25:58.070 --> 03:26:00.770
We also shared our messages
with hundreds of community
03:26:01.628 --> 03:26:02.763
based organizations to
amplify our messages.
03:26:02.763 --> 03:26:04.565
And again, 211 was
also conducting outreach
03:26:04.565 --> 03:26:07.206
to their partners to make sure
that services were lined up.
03:26:07.206 --> 03:26:10.086
And so luminary data indicates
that only about 40 customers
03:26:10.086 --> 03:26:12.948
called 211 mostly just
seeking basic information
03:26:12.948 --> 03:26:14.143
about the event.
03:26:14.143 --> 03:26:16.146
But we do think this is a partnership,
03:26:16.146 --> 03:26:19.704
a longterm that's
gonna be very beneficial
03:26:19.704 --> 03:26:21.446
for our customers.
03:26:21.446 --> 03:26:23.724
And then in terms of medical baseline
03:26:23.724 --> 03:26:27.084
and life support customers,
03:26:27.084 --> 03:26:32.021
we had about 800 that
were in the initial notification,
03:26:32.021 --> 03:26:32.854
although only about six
were actually impacted
03:26:32.854 --> 03:26:36.000
by the PSPS this week.
03:26:36.000 --> 03:26:37.317
And the way that we approach
those vulnerable customers
03:26:37.317 --> 03:26:42.317
is we reach out to
them via our emergency
03:26:47.500 --> 03:26:48.333
notification system.
03:26:48.333 --> 03:26:51.780
If we do not get a positive
contact through that system,
03:26:51.780 --> 03:26:55.295
we have our call center
agents actually make live calls
03:26:55.295 --> 03:26:56.128
until we can get ahold of them.
03:26:56.128 --> 03:26:58.650
And in the event we
can't still get ahold of them,
03:26:58.650 --> 03:27:01.230
then we actually will
send an SDG&E employee
03:27:01.230 --> 03:27:02.720
to go knock on their door.
03:27:02.720 --> 03:27:06.200
And I'm pleased to say that
we had a 100% positive contact
03:27:06.200 --> 03:27:07.280
rate for this event.
03:27:08.915 --> 03:27:10.870
And then finally, in terms of
community resource centers,
03:27:10.870 --> 03:27:14.690
we were prepared to mobilize
for CRCs for this event,
03:27:14.690 --> 03:27:17.060
based upon the expected impacts.
03:27:17.060 --> 03:27:19.780
In the end, only one was
needed since conditions
03:27:19.780 --> 03:27:22.940
really improved overnight on Tuesday.
03:27:22.940 --> 03:27:25.517
The information was
posted to the website
03:27:25.517 --> 03:27:26.870
early Wednesday morning as planned.
03:27:26.870 --> 03:27:30.080
And it opened at 8:00 a.m.
and was actually demobilized
03:27:30.956 --> 03:27:33.720
by 10:30 a.m. again, because
this was a very short event.
03:27:33.720 --> 03:27:38.497
And then for, at that CRC, we
had fewer than 30 customers
03:27:38.497 --> 03:27:41.560
go to the CRC, which is really expected
03:27:41.560 --> 03:27:45.210
just given the very short
duration of this PSPS event.
03:27:46.095 --> 03:27:49.060
So, in conclusion, I know
this is a lot information
03:27:49.060 --> 03:27:51.060
and as in a pretty short period of time,
03:27:51.999 --> 03:27:53.659
but I wanted to ensure
that you understood
03:27:53.659 --> 03:27:55.760
really the scope of our
customer engagement
03:27:55.760 --> 03:27:59.080
and like we do for every
PFPs, we're gonna continue
03:27:59.080 --> 03:28:02.090
to assess our performance this week
03:28:02.090 --> 03:28:05.437
and really seek to improve
and gather some additional input
03:28:05.437 --> 03:28:08.290
from external stakeholders to make sure
03:28:08.290 --> 03:28:10.840
when the next one comes,
that we're even more prepared
03:28:10.840 --> 03:28:12.450
and ready to serve our customers.
03:28:12.450 --> 03:28:14.000
So with that, I will stop there
03:28:14.876 --> 03:28:15.709
and be happy to answer any questions.
03:28:22.179 --> 03:28:25.053
Do any of the Commissioners
have any questions of Scott?
03:28:25.053 --> 03:28:26.990
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma.
03:28:26.990 --> 03:28:31.990
Yes, thank you, Scott, for
your letter that you submitted
03:28:32.250 --> 03:28:34.700
responding to our various questions.
03:28:34.700 --> 03:28:39.700
But would you just give
to a drill down a summary
03:28:39.720 --> 03:28:43.720
of your outreach to
people with self identified
03:28:43.720 --> 03:28:44.650
disabilities?
03:28:47.470 --> 03:28:49.160
Yeah, so--
03:28:49.160 --> 03:28:52.300
And it was smaller universe
of customers who were affected
03:28:53.538 --> 03:28:56.960
in this last PSPS, but maybe
just a little more application
03:28:56.960 --> 03:28:59.750
on that group of customers.
03:29:01.618 --> 03:29:03.030
Thank you.
03:29:03.030 --> 03:29:04.440
Yeah, absolutely.
03:29:04.440 --> 03:29:08.398
So again, I mean, we use a
multitude of communication
03:29:08.398 --> 03:29:09.600
mechanisms to reach
out to those customers.
03:29:09.600 --> 03:29:12.797
So, as I mentioned, we
reach out to them via cell text,
03:29:12.797 --> 03:29:17.797
email, landline, and a
portion of those customers,
03:29:18.418 --> 03:29:21.153
again that are medical baseline.
03:29:21.153 --> 03:29:26.153
We'll go knock on their door
if we cannot get ahold of them.
03:29:27.038 --> 03:29:29.500
But really, as we think about
this segment of our customers,
03:29:29.500 --> 03:29:34.219
again, we're really
looking at this partnership
03:29:34.219 --> 03:29:37.876
with 211 and our community
based organizations
03:29:37.876 --> 03:29:42.876
to really help get our
message out there.
03:29:43.780 --> 03:29:47.340
And so, again, so we
think that this approach
03:29:47.340 --> 03:29:52.278
between our art normal
outreach to all of our customers
03:29:52.278 --> 03:29:56.650
creates a lot of awareness
coupled with the partnerships
03:29:56.650 --> 03:29:59.247
that we've established
regionally with experts
03:30:01.415 --> 03:30:05.440
who can actually provide the services.
03:30:05.440 --> 03:30:08.016
We think that that's
gonna be the moderate
03:30:08.016 --> 03:30:09.117
really going forward.
03:30:09.117 --> 03:30:11.920
Can I ask a follow
up to that question.
03:30:14.358 --> 03:30:16.222
Yes, of course, Randolph.
03:30:16.222 --> 03:30:17.280
Thank you.
03:30:17.280 --> 03:30:21.481
So for the kind of the
three-stage contact,
03:30:21.481 --> 03:30:26.481
you try to reach them by phone
and you try to get a response
03:30:27.750 --> 03:30:32.750
and then you actually go
out and have somebody
03:30:33.100 --> 03:30:35.040
knock on the door.
03:30:35.040 --> 03:30:39.390
Do you track the time that that takes
03:30:39.390 --> 03:30:42.480
and do you have
sort of a target of like,
03:30:42.480 --> 03:30:45.920
when you wanna get affirmative reaction
03:30:45.920 --> 03:30:49.010
from your medically vulnerable customers
03:30:49.010 --> 03:30:51.530
before the PSPS begins?
03:30:54.598 --> 03:30:56.398
Well, thank
you Commissioner.
03:30:56.398 --> 03:30:58.215
And so we don't have
a specific timeline,
03:30:58.215 --> 03:30:59.965
but we wanna make sure that really,
03:31:01.490 --> 03:31:04.519
when we put out that
24 hour initial notification
03:31:04.519 --> 03:31:07.710
about potential PSPS,
that's when we really start,
03:31:07.710 --> 03:31:09.770
that second and third tier contact.
03:31:09.770 --> 03:31:14.370
So, we're really trying
to get that to those model,
03:31:14.370 --> 03:31:18.820
again, that medical baseline
community well in advance
03:31:18.820 --> 03:31:22.120
of actually potentially
de energizing them.
03:31:22.120 --> 03:31:24.700
So really our goal is to try to get them
03:31:24.700 --> 03:31:29.440
the day before a potential PSPS event.
03:31:29.440 --> 03:31:33.060
But certainly we wanna
make sure that we reach them
03:31:33.060 --> 03:31:35.790
in any case before we
actually de-energize.
03:31:40.823 --> 03:31:42.113
It's got okay.
03:31:42.113 --> 03:31:43.615
It seems like it would
be useful to kind of track
03:31:43.615 --> 03:31:46.165
that just to see if it can
get shortened over time.
03:31:48.394 --> 03:31:49.793
Yeah, absolutely.
03:31:49.793 --> 03:31:50.790
We'll take that as an action item.
03:31:50.790 --> 03:31:52.712
Scott, I have a question.
03:31:52.712 --> 03:31:53.545
This is Maribel.
03:31:54.495 --> 03:31:56.450
I wanna make sure I've
got my numbers right.
03:32:01.636 --> 03:32:05.275
Initial contact for impacted
customers with 16,500,
03:32:05.275 --> 03:32:08.718
but in the end you actually
de-energized 49 customers,
03:32:08.718 --> 03:32:10.551
is that correct?
03:32:10.551 --> 03:32:12.072
That's correct.
03:32:12.072 --> 03:32:14.010
Okay and on the
medical baseline,
03:32:14.010 --> 03:32:19.010
you had 800 initially and
six were actually impacted
03:32:21.973 --> 03:32:23.190
by the PSPS, is that correct?
03:32:24.692 --> 03:32:25.530
Yeah, that's
correct, for this event.
03:32:27.194 --> 03:32:28.315
Okay.
03:32:28.315 --> 03:32:31.890
This event was happily
fortunately much shorter
03:32:31.890 --> 03:32:35.090
in actuality than predicted.
03:32:35.090 --> 03:32:38.640
Do you have any, I know
this is about customer service
03:32:38.640 --> 03:32:42.250
right now, but have you
had any analysis on that?
03:32:43.110 --> 03:32:45.406
I mean, you have such great set up
03:32:45.406 --> 03:32:48.930
in terms of your meteorology
and all the cameras
03:32:51.287 --> 03:32:52.893
and sensors and
everything that you all have
03:32:52.893 --> 03:32:54.112
out in your service area.
03:32:54.112 --> 03:32:58.380
But I'm curious because we
had both the North and the South
03:32:58.380 --> 03:33:02.460
were very concerned
about the initial predictions
03:33:07.013 --> 03:33:09.557
of the wins and then it expanded.
03:33:09.557 --> 03:33:12.710
It expanded and veracity and broadness.
03:33:12.710 --> 03:33:13.543
And less than 24 hours
later, thank goodness
03:33:17.776 --> 03:33:20.297
you were already the energy.
03:33:20.297 --> 03:33:21.997
I just was wondering
if you had any analysis
03:33:21.997 --> 03:33:24.130
of that, that the San Ana
Ana's were not in the duration
03:33:24.130 --> 03:33:26.510
and as ferocious as we had feared.
03:33:29.457 --> 03:33:30.320
Yes, President Batjer.
03:33:31.756 --> 03:33:34.200
It probably be better
if we could follow up
03:33:35.548 --> 03:33:36.750
with our meteorologists
to provide the why,
03:33:36.750 --> 03:33:41.440
but certainly what we saw
and I was in our emergency
03:33:41.440 --> 03:33:45.080
operations center
virtually the entire time.
03:33:45.080 --> 03:33:48.240
And so we were
expecting, again, a moderate
03:33:48.240 --> 03:33:51.500
San Ana events, but
again the very low humidity.
03:33:51.500 --> 03:33:53.620
And again, our fire potential index,
03:33:53.620 --> 03:33:56.194
as I mentioned, was extreme.
03:33:56.194 --> 03:33:59.372
And so we were certainly
expecting winds to develop.
03:33:59.372 --> 03:34:04.372
They did, but certainly not
as expansive fortunately.
03:34:07.060 --> 03:34:11.320
And the duration of the wind event was,
03:34:11.320 --> 03:34:14.230
we did not expect it to be a long event,
03:34:14.230 --> 03:34:17.370
but fortunately they peaked very early
03:34:17.370 --> 03:34:21.295
and we did not need to
take additional actions
03:34:21.295 --> 03:34:23.400
for de-energized circuits.
03:34:24.593 --> 03:34:27.756
But we'd be happy to provide
probably a fuller explanation
03:34:27.756 --> 03:34:31.400
from a meteorology
perspective in terms of
03:34:31.400 --> 03:34:35.174
kind of what we saw from
the science perspective.
03:34:35.174 --> 03:34:37.000
Okay, thank you.
03:34:37.970 --> 03:34:38.920
One final question.
03:34:42.733 --> 03:34:45.293
Your long list of things
are very, very helpful
03:34:45.293 --> 03:34:47.116
to receive from you.
03:34:47.116 --> 03:34:48.380
Was there anything that
you with your colleagues
03:34:52.234 --> 03:34:54.120
feel that you missed,
that all your preparation
03:34:58.674 --> 03:35:02.575
during the winter and
spring, early summer months
03:35:02.575 --> 03:35:04.397
working for PSPS as a last resort.
03:35:04.397 --> 03:35:06.093
Was there something in your game plan
03:35:06.093 --> 03:35:08.072
or is there something in the preparation
03:35:08.072 --> 03:35:11.527
that you guys just
did not hit in this last.
03:35:11.527 --> 03:35:13.440
Anything that you're going
03:35:14.533 --> 03:35:16.070
"Okay, we've gotta improve
on that one next time."
03:35:17.790 --> 03:35:20.790
Well, President
Batjer is what we will do.
03:35:22.497 --> 03:35:24.212
So there's nothing
directly comes to mind.
03:35:24.212 --> 03:35:25.790
Again, this was a short duration event
03:35:27.194 --> 03:35:30.410
and we hit our marks on
our customer notifications.
03:35:30.410 --> 03:35:33.736
We hit the marks, I
think in terms of continued
03:35:33.736 --> 03:35:35.720
engagement on with
our public safety partners.
03:35:38.537 --> 03:35:39.490
But we still need to go through,
03:35:41.833 --> 03:35:42.890
this is only a, you know, a day old.
03:35:43.837 --> 03:35:46.009
And so what we will be doing
is bringing the whole team
03:35:46.009 --> 03:35:48.110
back together to do
a full analysis in terms
03:35:48.110 --> 03:35:51.680
of what did we miss,
what can we do better?
03:35:57.676 --> 03:35:58.877
So there's nothing that comes to mind
03:35:58.877 --> 03:35:59.957
from a customer perspective.
03:35:59.957 --> 03:36:02.048
But I think that we're
gonna need to some sit down
03:36:02.048 --> 03:36:03.150
with our emergency operations staff,
03:36:03.150 --> 03:36:04.550
our electric services staff,
03:36:05.994 --> 03:36:09.053
and just make sure that
we go through that process
03:36:09.053 --> 03:36:11.920
like we do after every
PSPS to assess how it went
03:36:13.076 --> 03:36:14.940
and we'll continue to make improvements
03:36:17.157 --> 03:36:18.916
and get even better next time.
03:36:18.916 --> 03:36:19.810
Okay, thank you.
03:36:19.810 --> 03:36:22.030
Any other questions for Scott?
03:36:24.895 --> 03:36:26.070
All right, thank you, Scott, very much.
03:36:26.973 --> 03:36:28.640
Rachel, back to you.
03:36:31.095 --> 03:36:32.434
Thanks President Batjer.
03:36:32.434 --> 03:36:35.693
I will turn it straight over
to Mike Marelli from Edison.
03:36:35.693 --> 03:36:39.894
All right, good afternoon
Commissioners and P--
03:36:39.894 --> 03:36:41.350
(talking over each other)
03:36:41.350 --> 03:36:43.730
All right, I wanted
to just make sure
03:36:44.647 --> 03:36:45.890
we had John on, thank you.
03:36:45.890 --> 03:36:47.400
Okay.
03:36:47.400 --> 03:36:48.960
Good afternoon, I'm Mike Marelli.
03:36:48.960 --> 03:36:52.163
I'm the vice president of the
business customer division.
03:36:52.163 --> 03:36:56.289
Probably more relevant
for this discussion.
03:36:56.289 --> 03:36:58.920
I also served as the incident commander
03:36:58.920 --> 03:37:03.920
for the recent emergency
heat outages, PSPS fires,
03:37:05.360 --> 03:37:07.950
everything over this last weekend.
03:37:07.950 --> 03:37:11.750
So I'm gonna share with you
some comments and thoughts
03:37:12.745 --> 03:37:15.530
on that, try and direct it to
the impact on the customers,
03:37:15.530 --> 03:37:20.530
but some of those events
inter-relate to the communications
03:37:21.690 --> 03:37:24.831
relative to the PSPS activation.
03:37:24.831 --> 03:37:29.831
And we really appreciate the opportunity
03:37:29.906 --> 03:37:32.700
for the public briefing and
to explain how we've applied
03:37:32.700 --> 03:37:35.868
our lessons learned
from our PSPS program.
03:37:35.868 --> 03:37:40.868
And the extended
outreach we've done before
03:37:41.527 --> 03:37:44.047
preparing for this year.
03:37:44.047 --> 03:37:47.500
So we continue to learn,
we think a lot of things
03:37:47.500 --> 03:37:50.930
went really well, but
there's always opportunities
03:37:50.930 --> 03:37:54.030
to learn going forward.
03:37:54.030 --> 03:37:58.810
The events this past week,
obviously put tremendous pressure
03:37:58.810 --> 03:38:03.230
on our instant management
teams and how they work
03:38:03.230 --> 03:38:06.726
around the clock to ensure
our customer's safety.
03:38:06.726 --> 03:38:10.080
But they also revealed
the critical value
03:38:10.080 --> 03:38:12.030
of the enhancements that we worked hard
03:38:12.869 --> 03:38:14.590
to complete over the past year.
03:38:14.590 --> 03:38:17.490
And one key example
is our ability to use
03:38:17.490 --> 03:38:21.990
sectionalizing devices to
further isolate the circuits.
03:38:21.990 --> 03:38:26.990
And I'll go through our
exact numbers of notifications
03:38:27.020 --> 03:38:29.140
versus the energization.
03:38:29.140 --> 03:38:32.426
But they're probably in a
similar ratio that Scott covered.
03:38:32.426 --> 03:38:36.880
And these are all related
to these circuit switching
03:38:36.880 --> 03:38:39.110
playbooks that you may have heard about
03:38:39.110 --> 03:38:40.960
in previous briefings.
03:38:40.960 --> 03:38:44.230
And we really put those
two to use in this event
03:38:45.543 --> 03:38:48.260
and they really did help
us to dramatically reduce
03:38:48.260 --> 03:38:51.050
the number of impacted customers.
03:38:52.502 --> 03:38:57.080
In addition to the
technological advancements,
03:38:57.080 --> 03:39:00.140
we also improved our communications
03:39:00.140 --> 03:39:03.580
and our customer care
response during the disruptions
03:39:03.580 --> 03:39:07.440
to help our customers
manage the PSPS events.
03:39:08.680 --> 03:39:11.520
Our partnerships were
key with State County,
03:39:11.520 --> 03:39:13.990
local community agencies,
03:39:13.990 --> 03:39:16.610
including the office
of emergency services,
03:39:17.650 --> 03:39:21.370
emergency medical
services, fire officials,
03:39:21.370 --> 03:39:25.190
community based organizations,
independent living centers.
03:39:25.190 --> 03:39:29.810
And 211, all provided
valuable input into how we utilize
03:39:29.810 --> 03:39:31.570
our community resource centers
03:39:31.570 --> 03:39:34.500
and our community
crew vehicles in particular.
03:39:35.707 --> 03:39:37.560
They also provide us
with important feedback
03:39:37.560 --> 03:39:39.450
on website performance,
03:39:39.450 --> 03:39:43.350
which has helped us to stay
engaged with our customers
03:39:43.350 --> 03:39:46.170
and supply them with
the important resources
03:39:46.170 --> 03:39:49.749
and information during all these events.
03:39:49.749 --> 03:39:54.749
I'm gonna touch just
briefly on the CAISO supplier
03:39:56.990 --> 03:40:01.293
emergency and how it relates
to what we were managing.
03:40:02.787 --> 03:40:07.787
So we stood up our instant
support team on Friday
03:40:10.380 --> 03:40:14.750
and recognizing that
the supply constraints
03:40:15.709 --> 03:40:19.887
were in the flex alert were
for Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
03:40:21.044 --> 03:40:24.760
We also knew we were looking
at an upcoming PSPS event
03:40:24.760 --> 03:40:28.020
in that Tuesday night
into Wednesday morning.
03:40:28.020 --> 03:40:33.020
But that really started our
thinking on how these two events
03:40:33.420 --> 03:40:34.540
should come together.
03:40:36.870 --> 03:40:38.957
We made some changes.
03:40:38.957 --> 03:40:41.900
For instance, we put
what we call skip flags
03:40:41.900 --> 03:40:46.390
on our rotating outage customers
for those that were located
03:40:46.390 --> 03:40:48.760
in high fire district.
03:40:49.714 --> 03:40:52.180
So if we got into a rotating outage,
03:40:52.180 --> 03:40:55.890
we didn't want to de-energized customers
03:40:55.890 --> 03:40:59.430
for a rotating outage
and then be prevented
03:40:59.430 --> 03:41:02.520
from automatically bringing
them back in an hour
03:41:03.796 --> 03:41:07.012
while we'd have to
potentially patrol the circuits
03:41:07.012 --> 03:41:08.692
in a high fire area.
03:41:08.692 --> 03:41:11.920
So our solution to that was
to separate those groups.
03:41:11.920 --> 03:41:14.091
We still had plenty of
customers if you will,
03:41:14.091 --> 03:41:18.800
that we could rotate out in our blocks
03:41:19.656 --> 03:41:22.220
if we got into a supply deficiency.
03:41:24.474 --> 03:41:25.307
But it also helped mitigate,
03:41:28.050 --> 03:41:29.369
I think the confusion for the customers
03:41:29.369 --> 03:41:33.175
that may be receiving both
PSPS and rotating outage notices.
03:41:33.175 --> 03:41:38.175
And it worked out, I think
really well in that regard,
03:41:38.630 --> 03:41:43.630
but we'd never had the rotating
outage and PSPS obviously
03:41:45.110 --> 03:41:47.055
coexisting at the same time.
03:41:47.055 --> 03:41:52.055
So it became interesting
to manage at times, I'll say.
03:41:55.877 --> 03:41:58.320
And then also we were explaining this
03:41:58.320 --> 03:42:02.912
with our, especially
at the community level
03:42:02.912 --> 03:42:05.610
with our County partners to
make sure they understood
03:42:05.610 --> 03:42:10.035
the differences of how we
were managing this as well.
03:42:10.035 --> 03:42:15.035
The other part of this is we
had demand response programs
03:42:16.415 --> 03:42:19.020
and there was messaging
going out on demand response.
03:42:19.020 --> 03:42:24.020
And unfortunately that covers
both rotating outage customers
03:42:25.453 --> 03:42:28.440
as well as high fire areas.
03:42:28.440 --> 03:42:33.440
But we tried to make the
messaging distinct and informative.
03:42:33.574 --> 03:42:37.380
So our customers were
understood the differences
03:42:37.380 --> 03:42:38.213
between that.
03:42:39.675 --> 03:42:41.800
And then frankly,
we just had a logistics
03:42:43.391 --> 03:42:45.570
process to work through.
03:42:46.495 --> 03:42:50.020
So for instance, we started
sending out PSPS messages
03:42:50.020 --> 03:42:54.720
on Saturday afternoon,
evening to our public safety
03:42:54.720 --> 03:42:57.280
partners, our critical infrastructure.
03:42:57.280 --> 03:43:02.280
But on Sunday we
advanced our PSPS notices
03:43:03.610 --> 03:43:07.330
in early afternoon, so
that we could just frankly
03:43:07.330 --> 03:43:10.130
get the rotating outage messages out.
03:43:11.550 --> 03:43:14.930
There's certain system
constraints from our vendors.
03:43:14.930 --> 03:43:18.783
There are certain, you could
get flagged as a spam entity
03:43:20.400 --> 03:43:23.710
if you're sending out too
many moses too quickly.
03:43:23.710 --> 03:43:28.560
So we stage that to
make sure those notices,
03:43:28.560 --> 03:43:33.310
we created runway
space in essence for that.
03:43:33.310 --> 03:43:38.310
And I do have to say our
customers responded in a huge way
03:43:38.380 --> 03:43:41.920
to the Governor's
executive proclamation,
03:43:41.920 --> 03:43:44.190
as well as to demand response.
03:43:51.610 --> 03:43:55.240
So the other complicating factor
03:43:55.240 --> 03:43:59.680
that was maybe more
impactful for Southern California
03:43:59.680 --> 03:44:03.200
Addison, and then
others was the Creek fire,
03:44:03.200 --> 03:44:05.880
which was obviously very devastating,
03:44:07.650 --> 03:44:12.160
currently 175,000
acres and 0% contained.
03:44:14.650 --> 03:44:18.980
But it impacted us both
from a supply perspective
03:44:18.980 --> 03:44:23.980
where our big Creek system
was taken out of Commission.
03:44:24.600 --> 03:44:27.430
It also quite frankly
impacted us personally,
03:44:27.430 --> 03:44:31.720
as both the community and
a number of our employees
03:44:31.720 --> 03:44:33.580
were evacuated.
03:44:34.660 --> 03:44:38.770
And then we also had a
couple other major fires.
03:44:38.770 --> 03:44:43.770
The Bobcat fire started
Sunday and Eldorado fire
03:44:44.760 --> 03:44:49.250
is still burning and impacting us.
03:44:49.250 --> 03:44:53.590
Some of those, Bobcat in
particular had transmission
03:44:53.590 --> 03:44:57.360
implications, which again,
complicated the supply
03:44:57.360 --> 03:45:00.960
perspective, particularly
on a Sunday evening.
03:45:04.130 --> 03:45:07.130
I do wanna just take a moment to thank
03:45:07.130 --> 03:45:08.540
the first responders.
03:45:10.000 --> 03:45:14.590
They've been amazing
and quite frankly, again,
03:45:14.590 --> 03:45:15.990
for some of our employees,
03:45:15.990 --> 03:45:20.990
they helped escort a number of employees
03:45:21.410 --> 03:45:24.040
out of the big Creek
area on Saturday night.
03:45:24.040 --> 03:45:26.900
And we're very grateful for that.
03:45:30.550 --> 03:45:35.550
As far as the PSPS specific
event, it really did reaffirm
03:45:36.120 --> 03:45:38.480
our decision earlier this year,
03:45:38.480 --> 03:45:43.480
where we assembled what we
called up PSPS readiness IMT.
03:45:43.830 --> 03:45:46.130
And that was really around advancing
03:45:46.130 --> 03:45:50.940
our operational enhancements
well ahead of the fire season.
03:45:50.940 --> 03:45:53.480
And so I've mentioned a
little bit that one hand spent
03:45:53.480 --> 03:45:56.460
was our sectionalizing capability.
03:45:56.460 --> 03:46:01.460
And that continues to
substantially reduce the PSPS
03:46:01.720 --> 03:46:04.390
impact on our customers.
03:46:04.390 --> 03:46:08.400
So we shared in August that
we accelerated the installation
03:46:08.400 --> 03:46:11.390
of remote closing devices that allow us
03:46:11.390 --> 03:46:15.480
to isolate segments rather
than needing to de-energize
03:46:15.480 --> 03:46:18.060
the insights entire circuit.
03:46:18.060 --> 03:46:20.480
And we developed
over 1100 of what we call
03:46:20.480 --> 03:46:21.930
these switching playbooks.
03:46:24.850 --> 03:46:27.110
We use these playbooks
and we develop these
03:46:27.110 --> 03:46:29.970
for all our lines in
our high fire areas.
03:46:29.970 --> 03:46:33.340
So we use these playbooks
very much for the event this week
03:46:33.340 --> 03:46:37.597
to perform switching
and reduce that impact.
03:46:39.330 --> 03:46:42.580
We did employ
de-energization during this event.
03:46:42.580 --> 03:46:45.840
They were used as a last
resort when the forecasted
03:46:45.840 --> 03:46:48.180
weather conditions manifested
03:46:48.180 --> 03:46:52.020
and when no other options were available
03:46:52.020 --> 03:46:53.440
to mitigate the danger.
03:46:55.070 --> 03:46:58.470
The Santa Ana winds that
we predicted Tuesday evening
03:46:58.470 --> 03:47:03.460
manifested, were appropriately
prepared starting Sunday.
03:47:03.460 --> 03:47:06.870
We notified upwards of 85,000 customers
03:47:06.870 --> 03:47:11.870
across seven counties that
they may be subject to a PSPS.
03:47:13.420 --> 03:47:17.070
Of these 85,000, approximately 1900,
03:47:17.070 --> 03:47:22.030
were medical baseline
and 350 were critical care.
03:47:24.070 --> 03:47:26.060
The PSPS was for a period of concern
03:47:26.060 --> 03:47:31.060
starting Tuesday
evening around 6:00 p.m.
03:47:31.190 --> 03:47:34.730
It actually emerged a little bit later,
03:47:34.730 --> 03:47:37.260
but then concluding noon on Wednesday
03:47:37.260 --> 03:47:39.040
was the forecast.
03:47:40.360 --> 03:47:44.980
In the early hours of
Wednesday, we de-energized
03:47:44.980 --> 03:47:49.340
segments of six circuits in Los Angeles.
03:47:51.460 --> 03:47:56.300
And we had one circuit
that was actually feeding
03:47:56.300 --> 03:47:59.910
one customer that was
de-energized by PG&E
03:47:59.910 --> 03:48:04.060
impacting our customer in Kern County.
03:48:04.060 --> 03:48:07.141
And every instance,
we were able to isolate
03:48:07.141 --> 03:48:11.160
circuit segments, meaning
we invited impacting
03:48:11.160 --> 03:48:12.960
entire circuits.
03:48:12.960 --> 03:48:17.960
And in total we had 253
customers were de-energized
03:48:21.510 --> 03:48:24.170
and including one
critical care customer.
03:48:25.510 --> 03:48:28.700
The sectionalizing also
helped our field crews
03:48:28.700 --> 03:48:31.010
re-energize our lines quickly
03:48:31.010 --> 03:48:34.610
due to the smaller
scale of de-energizing
03:48:34.610 --> 03:48:37.329
requiring inspection.
03:48:37.329 --> 03:48:40.750
So it really lessened the impact
on customers on both ends
03:48:40.750 --> 03:48:45.500
on de-energizing them to begin with,
03:48:45.500 --> 03:48:48.360
and then shortening that
period when they were brought
03:48:48.360 --> 03:48:49.740
back into service.
03:48:50.680 --> 03:48:55.200
And six of the seven were
re-energized within hours
03:48:55.200 --> 03:48:57.180
of the all clear provided.
03:48:57.180 --> 03:49:01.340
We still do have one
circuit that is impacted
03:49:01.340 --> 03:49:05.330
by the Bobcat fire, where we were unable
03:49:05.330 --> 03:49:08.970
to get into requires aircraft patrol.
03:49:08.970 --> 03:49:13.030
We were unable to get
clearance to patrol that circuit
03:49:13.030 --> 03:49:13.900
yesterday.
03:49:14.850 --> 03:49:17.480
I do not know the status today,
03:49:17.480 --> 03:49:21.962
but we are still 20 customers
that are de-energized
03:49:21.962 --> 03:49:25.443
in a portion of our
territory and impacted
03:49:27.170 --> 03:49:30.780
by the fire area or as well.
03:49:35.620 --> 03:49:39.260
We did have in addition to the 253
03:49:39.260 --> 03:49:44.020
and so I hope, and I know
we've had a lot of communications
03:49:44.020 --> 03:49:46.900
with the PUC, and I know
there's a lot of numbers
03:49:46.900 --> 03:49:48.240
bouncing around.
03:49:48.240 --> 03:49:50.590
I do wanna make sure you're aware
03:49:50.590 --> 03:49:54.620
that we will tick and tie
and make sure the numbers,
03:49:55.761 --> 03:49:56.760
anything we talk about today
03:49:56.760 --> 03:49:58.940
should be conserved preliminary.
03:49:58.940 --> 03:50:03.310
There are often good reasons
why a number may evolve.
03:50:03.310 --> 03:50:07.550
And for instance, on the
253, in order to sectionalize
03:50:07.550 --> 03:50:10.730
those circuits, we actually
did have to take down
03:50:10.730 --> 03:50:13.980
some other customers
for five to 10 minutes,
03:50:13.980 --> 03:50:18.180
open up the breaker
towards the end of the circuit,
03:50:18.180 --> 03:50:19.920
and then reenergize that.
03:50:19.920 --> 03:50:23.440
But we will clarify all those pieces
03:50:23.440 --> 03:50:28.280
when we make our
filing, I think next week
03:50:28.280 --> 03:50:29.560
or shortly thereafter.
03:50:31.960 --> 03:50:35.890
So we do strive to meet
our timeline notifications.
03:50:35.890 --> 03:50:40.890
There were some situations
where we had circuits
03:50:41.990 --> 03:50:43.280
on our period of concern.
03:50:43.280 --> 03:50:47.280
They were monitoring, they
would bounce around if you will,
03:50:47.280 --> 03:50:49.250
a little bit, some
circuits would come on,
03:50:49.250 --> 03:50:50.250
some would come off.
03:50:51.800 --> 03:50:56.800
We did have a couple of
circuits that we had to notify
03:50:59.150 --> 03:51:00.790
the date of the event.
03:51:00.790 --> 03:51:05.310
So they did not get the
24 and the 48 hour notice.
03:51:05.310 --> 03:51:10.140
And that was for 20
customers on one circuit.
03:51:10.140 --> 03:51:15.140
And then one set of customers,
nine customers receive
03:51:16.868 --> 03:51:18.810
the eminent notice,
03:51:20.020 --> 03:51:23.040
and again, did not have
the pre event notice.
03:51:23.040 --> 03:51:26.100
So I think to the previous question,
03:51:26.100 --> 03:51:28.130
what happened with the wind?
03:51:28.130 --> 03:51:32.300
I think we'll need a more
fulsome response to that.
03:51:32.300 --> 03:51:36.440
But ultimately the
weather is really variable
03:51:36.440 --> 03:51:37.780
in these types of events.
03:51:39.740 --> 03:51:44.260
And I think hopefully what
the continued expansion
03:51:44.260 --> 03:51:47.370
of weather stations and
training our weather model
03:51:47.370 --> 03:51:49.150
will get better and better on it.
03:51:49.990 --> 03:51:51.790
I don't know if we'll ever get perfect
03:51:51.790 --> 03:51:56.790
on the exact impacts on our
assets on a forecast basis.
03:51:59.000 --> 03:52:03.470
But we do, as I often
talk with our customers,
03:52:03.470 --> 03:52:08.470
we try and notify and provide
outreach on a forecast basis
03:52:08.680 --> 03:52:10.520
on what we think will happen,
03:52:10.520 --> 03:52:12.270
but we really do make decisions
03:52:12.270 --> 03:52:14.880
based on actual weather conditions.
03:52:19.230 --> 03:52:22.230
I do wanna talk a little
bit about our community
03:52:22.230 --> 03:52:26.010
resource centers and our
community crew vehicles.
03:52:27.610 --> 03:52:32.080
We actually deployed some of
these for heat related outages
03:52:32.080 --> 03:52:37.080
as well, so where we had some areas.
03:52:37.530 --> 03:52:41.850
And I do wanna make sure
there's basic understanding
03:52:41.850 --> 03:52:44.840
that these heat wave
outages are very different
03:52:44.840 --> 03:52:48.500
than like a wind storm or a snow storm
03:52:48.500 --> 03:52:52.020
where you may have
an outage that takes out
03:52:52.020 --> 03:52:55.000
hundreds or thousands of customers.
03:52:55.000 --> 03:52:58.790
And so one repair can bring
customers back very quickly.
03:52:58.790 --> 03:53:03.180
These heat related tend to
be a lot of transformer failures.
03:53:03.180 --> 03:53:06.340
And so it's a smaller
number of customers
03:53:06.340 --> 03:53:10.010
that are impacted by each outage.
03:53:10.010 --> 03:53:15.010
So we did work very diligently
to get as much crew resources
03:53:16.512 --> 03:53:20.860
out over the weekend to respond to it.
03:53:20.860 --> 03:53:23.500
But there was a lot
of work to do out there.
03:53:24.620 --> 03:53:29.600
To help our customers, we
did deploy some pop up CRCs,
03:53:29.600 --> 03:53:32.450
we call them for the
heat related outages.
03:53:32.450 --> 03:53:37.450
And then for PSPS, we
specifically deployed six CRCs
03:53:38.690 --> 03:53:43.690
and two CCBs on Tuesday
and four CRCs and two CCBs
03:53:44.740 --> 03:53:45.650
on Wednesday.
03:53:45.650 --> 03:53:50.050
So we deployed them proactively
03:53:50.050 --> 03:53:55.050
obviously before the de-energization
to allow communications
03:53:55.600 --> 03:53:57.040
with our customers.
03:53:57.040 --> 03:54:01.540
And then of course, we followed
all the CDC COVID protocols
03:54:01.540 --> 03:54:05.220
for social distancing and PPE.
03:54:07.560 --> 03:54:12.530
On agency outreach,
our public safety partners
03:54:12.530 --> 03:54:15.410
and critical infrastructure
received the 72
03:54:15.410 --> 03:54:17.720
and the 48 hour notices.
03:54:17.720 --> 03:54:20.030
And similar to other PSPS events,
03:54:20.030 --> 03:54:24.240
we held two daily briefings,
accounting coordination call
03:54:24.240 --> 03:54:26.450
and a state executive briefing.
03:54:26.450 --> 03:54:29.220
And we have multiple points of contact
03:54:29.220 --> 03:54:32.150
with every city County
and tribal government
03:54:32.150 --> 03:54:34.360
in our service territory.
03:54:34.360 --> 03:54:37.210
And the contacts and include everything
03:54:37.210 --> 03:54:41.420
from emergency managers,
law enforcement, fire officials.
03:54:41.420 --> 03:54:44.350
I should also mention
that for the fires,
03:54:44.350 --> 03:54:47.210
we have embedded agency representatives
03:54:47.210 --> 03:54:51.090
with the lead fire agencies.
03:54:52.280 --> 03:54:56.060
So our folks are closely coordinated
03:54:56.060 --> 03:54:58.590
on those major fire outreaches as well.
03:55:00.860 --> 03:55:03.690
We also held regular
operational area calls
03:55:03.690 --> 03:55:08.050
with local governments, and
we provide situational awareness
03:55:08.050 --> 03:55:12.450
and the latest status and the
possibility of de-energization
03:55:12.450 --> 03:55:17.450
and solicited feedback on
CRC and CCV activation.
03:55:17.860 --> 03:55:21.000
And we also obviously
responded to questions
03:55:21.000 --> 03:55:21.870
that were raised.
03:55:24.980 --> 03:55:28.597
And then we will, again,
detail this in our ESRB
03:55:32.280 --> 03:55:37.280
eight report on a specific
government outreach.
03:55:42.670 --> 03:55:47.610
We do have a dedicated
liaison officers that work
03:55:47.610 --> 03:55:50.280
with our emergency partners.
03:55:50.280 --> 03:55:54.820
And again, they were in close
contact with many of those.
03:55:54.820 --> 03:55:59.820
And we sent situational
awareness notifications each day,
03:56:00.540 --> 03:56:05.540
starting on the fourth
and on Tuesday evening
03:56:06.260 --> 03:56:08.160
into the morning Wednesday,
03:56:08.160 --> 03:56:12.140
we sent out eminent
de-energization notifications
03:56:12.140 --> 03:56:15.450
as circuits became available for patrol
03:56:15.450 --> 03:56:16.760
and re-energization.
03:56:19.300 --> 03:56:23.220
I believe in our last briefing,
we shared that sc.com
03:56:23.220 --> 03:56:25.620
performance has been upgraded
03:56:25.620 --> 03:56:30.000
and we've increased the
capacity and the reliability.
03:56:30.000 --> 03:56:34.920
And I'm not aware of any
issues that we had with website,
03:56:36.010 --> 03:56:39.870
the timeliness of posting
the information on the website,
03:56:39.870 --> 03:56:41.270
things like that.
03:56:41.270 --> 03:56:46.260
I think as far as I know at this point,
03:56:46.260 --> 03:56:48.060
everything worked pretty well there.
03:56:51.250 --> 03:56:55.330
We did do other outreach.
03:56:55.330 --> 03:56:59.660
So we have what we call
an energized by Edison story,
03:56:59.660 --> 03:57:04.660
which we posted that a lot
of media outlets picked up.
03:57:04.700 --> 03:57:08.540
And then we responded
to a large number of media
03:57:08.540 --> 03:57:13.540
and we shared PSPS
messaging, including alert signups
03:57:14.420 --> 03:57:18.630
wildfire awareness on
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram.
03:57:18.630 --> 03:57:22.893
We're really trying to use
a lot of social media earned
03:57:23.810 --> 03:57:28.410
and paid in that space
to get that notice out.
03:57:28.410 --> 03:57:33.410
We also shared on next door
as a relatively new program
03:57:35.330 --> 03:57:38.950
or platform for us that
we're using pretty extensively
03:57:38.950 --> 03:57:40.590
these days.
03:57:40.590 --> 03:57:45.370
And we ran advertising over the radio
03:57:46.340 --> 03:57:48.290
and multiple digital channels as well.
03:57:48.290 --> 03:57:52.460
So we really worked hard
to get the message out
03:57:52.460 --> 03:57:53.700
in that regard.
03:57:56.350 --> 03:57:59.640
We do have our interactive
maps on our website.
03:57:59.640 --> 03:58:03.370
Customers can zoom in to
street level and see the areas
03:58:03.370 --> 03:58:06.130
under consideration are de-energized
03:58:06.130 --> 03:58:10.790
and de-energized circuits
with estimated restoration time
03:58:10.790 --> 03:58:15.260
and date, and then location
of community crew vehicles
03:58:15.260 --> 03:58:16.093
and CRCs.
03:58:17.030 --> 03:58:22.030
So we really tried to get that
information to our website.
03:58:22.800 --> 03:58:27.800
And I think, we will do
what we call a hotwash,
03:58:29.240 --> 03:58:34.020
which is an after action
review and trying to capture
03:58:35.346 --> 03:58:40.050
any issues, but there's
nothing major that I'm aware of
03:58:40.050 --> 03:58:43.470
on certainly the website
and the communication
03:58:43.470 --> 03:58:46.040
that we had via that.
03:58:46.040 --> 03:58:48.130
So, in closing, I'd just
like to thank you again
03:58:48.130 --> 03:58:50.580
for providing us an opportunity.
03:58:50.580 --> 03:58:55.580
And as with any of the
many emergency situation
03:58:56.140 --> 03:59:00.370
where we have been
responding to over the past week,
03:59:00.370 --> 03:59:03.920
we always remained committed
to the safety of our customers
03:59:03.920 --> 03:59:05.610
and our employees.
03:59:05.610 --> 03:59:08.980
And we look forward to
build on the good work
03:59:08.980 --> 03:59:13.980
and continue improving
our programs going forward.
03:59:14.550 --> 03:59:16.970
So I'll answer any
questions you may have.
03:59:18.220 --> 03:59:19.420
Well, thank you, Mike.
03:59:20.330 --> 03:59:21.440
That was very helpful.
03:59:22.350 --> 03:59:24.275
I see lots of hands already up.
03:59:24.275 --> 03:59:27.730
Commissioner Randolph was first right.
03:59:27.730 --> 03:59:31.610
All right, thank you, Mike.
03:59:32.570 --> 03:59:35.890
And I wish your employees
in the big Creek area,
03:59:35.890 --> 03:59:39.950
the best of luck, having up in that area
03:59:39.950 --> 03:59:41.000
it's quite beautiful.
03:59:41.908 --> 03:59:45.460
And I'm sure this is all
very devastating for them.
03:59:45.460 --> 03:59:50.460
I have a question about,
in fact, both of the utilities
03:59:50.750 --> 03:59:54.280
so far mentioned that you
were able to reduce the scope
03:59:54.280 --> 03:59:58.520
of the PSPS after doing
a larger notification.
03:59:58.520 --> 04:00:01.590
So I was just wondering,
what is your process
04:00:01.590 --> 04:00:04.970
in terms of notifying
customers who received
04:00:04.970 --> 04:00:08.130
the initial notification,
but then did not end up
04:00:08.130 --> 04:00:10.050
being de-energized.
04:00:10.050 --> 04:00:12.710
Did you have any further
communications with them
04:00:12.710 --> 04:00:14.760
after those initial notifications?
04:00:15.680 --> 04:00:18.680
And did you receive any
feedback from customers,
04:00:18.680 --> 04:00:21.320
any kind of follow up
questions or concerns
04:00:21.320 --> 04:00:24.050
if they didn't receive a notification?
04:00:25.410 --> 04:00:27.970
Yeah, good question
Commissioner.
04:00:27.970 --> 04:00:31.580
Part of our process
is we issue an all clear
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when the event has passed.
04:00:34.490 --> 04:00:39.283
And so that is our
process to say the warning
04:00:40.980 --> 04:00:43.570
did not materialize, everything is good.
04:00:45.060 --> 04:00:46.590
And as far as feedback,
04:00:48.122 --> 04:00:52.470
I'm not aware of any
specific critical feedback.
04:00:52.470 --> 04:00:56.300
We actually did receive
some positive feedback
04:00:56.300 --> 04:01:01.300
from some of our County
partners and state partners
04:01:02.420 --> 04:01:06.440
that they really felt
like we were connecting
04:01:06.440 --> 04:01:09.890
and communicating and they
were very appreciative of that.
04:01:12.020 --> 04:01:14.570
I didn't really mention
it, but we also had,
04:01:14.570 --> 04:01:18.340
because of the Creek fire,
some issues on transmission.
04:01:18.340 --> 04:01:22.910
We also had a local potential
transmission emergency issue
04:01:22.910 --> 04:01:24.530
in the central Valley.
04:01:24.530 --> 04:01:29.360
And so we were in close
communication with our County folks
04:01:29.360 --> 04:01:33.680
there so that they understood
what was happening
04:01:33.680 --> 04:01:36.150
and what we were trying to mitigate.
04:01:39.740 --> 04:01:40.880
Thank you.
04:01:41.900 --> 04:01:45.470
Commissioner Scott,
we have a similar process
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for an unfair message
once the event is over.
04:01:50.910 --> 04:01:53.100
Commissioner Rechtschaffen,
I think you have a question.
04:01:54.930 --> 04:01:56.930
Mike, I had a follow up.
04:01:56.930 --> 04:02:00.450
It's sort of a two part
question about your notification.
04:02:00.450 --> 04:02:04.530
In the past, maybe you
don't agree with this viewer
04:02:04.530 --> 04:02:06.700
or concern in the past.
04:02:06.700 --> 04:02:08.970
My understanding was that as compared
04:02:08.970 --> 04:02:12.670
to the other utilities,
Edison weighted closer
04:02:12.670 --> 04:02:15.380
to the actual event
to provide notification
04:02:16.950 --> 04:02:20.380
as opposed to notify more
people, a broader number of people
04:02:20.380 --> 04:02:22.520
sooner, you waited closer to the event
04:02:22.520 --> 04:02:24.760
to notify fewer people.
04:02:24.760 --> 04:02:27.730
So my first question
is, regardless of that,
04:02:27.730 --> 04:02:28.750
if that's correct about it,
04:02:28.750 --> 04:02:32.270
did you change the
number of people you notified
04:02:32.270 --> 04:02:36.660
or did you do anything
earlier or later this time around.
04:02:36.660 --> 04:02:40.900
And then secondly, you
said that you had 1100
04:02:40.900 --> 04:02:45.500
switching playbooks and
a lot of sectionalization.
04:02:45.500 --> 04:02:50.390
Do you attribute those
factors as the reasons
04:02:50.390 --> 04:02:55.390
that you went from potentially
85,000 people to 253 people
04:02:55.390 --> 04:02:56.790
that you actually de-energized?
04:02:56.790 --> 04:03:01.450
How much of a factor in
reducing that number dramatically
04:03:01.450 --> 04:03:04.310
were the switching playbooks
and the sectionalization?
04:03:05.760 --> 04:03:09.930
Okay, the first question
on, did we change kind of
04:03:11.050 --> 04:03:13.700
the notification process.
04:03:15.760 --> 04:03:20.760
No, I'm not quite sure I
understand kind of the basis
04:03:22.320 --> 04:03:25.580
of that question 'cause I
don't think we've ever delayed
04:03:25.580 --> 04:03:30.580
notifying customers if we
thought they were forecasted
04:03:30.770 --> 04:03:32.590
to be at risk.
04:03:33.770 --> 04:03:34.906
I do know--
04:03:34.906 --> 04:03:35.739
(speakers talking over each other)
04:03:35.739 --> 04:03:38.860
I'm Sorry, it wasn't
so much a delay,
04:03:38.860 --> 04:03:43.610
but you didn't make the
decision about till later on,
04:03:43.610 --> 04:03:47.080
you sort of waited, you tried
to gather more information
04:03:47.080 --> 04:03:50.550
at the later on to make the decision.
04:03:50.550 --> 04:03:52.490
I don't wanna
characterize it as a delay.
04:03:52.490 --> 04:03:53.720
Sorry to interrupt you.
04:03:53.720 --> 04:03:58.440
Yeah, I do know that we
have put quite a bit of effort
04:03:58.440 --> 04:04:02.550
into our weather modeling over the last.
04:04:02.550 --> 04:04:07.380
And at one point we kind of
had two different weather models
04:04:07.380 --> 04:04:10.780
and sometimes they were
competing with each other.
04:04:11.670 --> 04:04:15.690
And so that may be
what that is referencing
04:04:15.690 --> 04:04:19.650
is that if one weather model said, yay
04:04:19.650 --> 04:04:22.350
and the other said, nay,
then what do you do about it?
04:04:23.620 --> 04:04:27.220
So I think that was
kind of early last year,
04:04:27.220 --> 04:04:29.150
we had that issue.
04:04:29.150 --> 04:04:31.970
So we've resolved that.
04:04:34.769 --> 04:04:36.950
We do think as we get more
weather stations out there,
04:04:36.950 --> 04:04:39.920
we get more data, we
get more experience.
04:04:39.920 --> 04:04:43.160
Our weather modeling
will continue to improve.
04:04:43.160 --> 04:04:45.840
And I think quite frankly, I
think that's one of the lessons
04:04:45.840 --> 04:04:50.747
we learned from SDG&E over
10 years they've been working
04:04:51.720 --> 04:04:55.220
this issue a lot more diligently
04:04:55.220 --> 04:04:58.000
than maybe the other two utilities out.
04:04:59.190 --> 04:05:01.164
And so hopefully we'll get better
04:05:01.164 --> 04:05:06.164
whether better at forecasting to actual.
04:05:09.030 --> 04:05:13.460
So, if we have a period of
concern and we have customers
04:05:13.460 --> 04:05:16.150
in that, for this case, Tuesday night
04:05:16.150 --> 04:05:20.530
into Wednesday morning,
we were pretty diligent
04:05:20.530 --> 04:05:23.490
about stepping through Saturday night
04:05:23.490 --> 04:05:28.490
public emergency responders,
public service entities,
04:05:31.060 --> 04:05:33.150
infrastructure, critical infrastructure,
04:05:33.150 --> 04:05:36.620
and then customers
48 hours on Sunday 24,
04:05:36.620 --> 04:05:38.300
so on and so forth.
04:05:38.300 --> 04:05:40.840
As I did mention, we
did have some circuits
04:05:40.840 --> 04:05:44.730
that came on that were
not on our radar screen,
04:05:44.730 --> 04:05:49.460
where unfortunately we
did have to de-energize them
04:05:49.460 --> 04:05:51.170
with little to no notice.
04:05:51.170 --> 04:05:56.090
And so we are definitely
trying to avoid those scenarios.
04:05:58.330 --> 04:06:01.680
The other question on the
switch books, the playbooks.
04:06:04.672 --> 04:06:07.810
I think it helped us from
taking whole circuits out
04:06:07.810 --> 04:06:09.620
to taking partial circuits.
04:06:11.060 --> 04:06:13.450
I don't think it would
be fair to represent that
04:06:13.450 --> 04:06:17.427
as that's why it took us,
we went from 85,000 to 250.
04:06:20.210 --> 04:06:23.150
I think it did take us from potentially
04:06:23.150 --> 04:06:26.520
thousands of customers to
hundreds of customers though.
04:06:28.990 --> 04:06:32.330
when we get down to
looking at the circuits.
04:06:33.480 --> 04:06:38.090
Last year during the
events, we were still looking
04:06:38.090 --> 04:06:41.790
towards switching options and protocols,
04:06:41.790 --> 04:06:43.680
but quite frankly, it was hard.
04:06:43.680 --> 04:06:46.560
It's hard to do that when
you're in the incident,
04:06:46.560 --> 04:06:49.630
there's so much stuff lying around.
04:06:49.630 --> 04:06:52.590
And especially this weekend,
I have to be honest with you,
04:06:54.190 --> 04:06:57.450
these incidences were
so complex this weekend.
04:06:58.555 --> 04:07:00.680
It was mind boggling
with all the information.
04:07:00.680 --> 04:07:04.150
And that's the worst
time to be kind of thinking
04:07:04.150 --> 04:07:07.880
of a new plan, you should
be executing your plan.
04:07:07.880 --> 04:07:10.980
And so that was the
thinking behind the playbooks
04:07:10.980 --> 04:07:15.150
is in the off season, if you
will, we developed a plan
04:07:15.150 --> 04:07:20.010
that we can then really
execute in a time of emergency.
04:07:20.010 --> 04:07:23.750
And I think, we are gonna
have some lessons out of it.
04:07:23.750 --> 04:07:28.170
But I think it worked
really well for this event.
04:07:29.903 --> 04:07:31.653
We were pleased with those results.
04:07:34.130 --> 04:07:35.850
Mike, this is Maribel again.
04:07:35.850 --> 04:07:37.540
Oh, I'm sorry, Genevieve, you go ahead.
04:07:37.540 --> 04:07:39.020
I've already had one shot.
04:07:39.020 --> 04:07:40.120
Go ahead, please.
04:07:40.120 --> 04:07:40.953
Okay, thank you.
04:07:40.953 --> 04:07:44.420
And I saw tuition, this
is my seventh hand up.
04:07:44.420 --> 04:07:48.830
Okay, so Mike thank you
also for Edison's response
04:07:50.600 --> 04:07:52.430
to our earlier questions.
04:07:52.430 --> 04:07:55.750
And similar question that I asked Scott,
04:07:55.750 --> 04:07:58.240
and this has to do with your customers
04:07:58.240 --> 04:08:01.140
self-identify, they maybe get disabled
04:08:01.140 --> 04:08:02.510
or have a vulnerability.
04:08:02.510 --> 04:08:06.640
And let me preface by
saying that years ago
04:08:06.640 --> 04:08:09.460
in our Sacramento
area, I've a acquaintance
04:08:09.460 --> 04:08:14.460
who uses a wheelchair for mobility,
04:08:14.473 --> 04:08:18.700
and there was a multi-day
outage due to a storm.
04:08:19.550 --> 04:08:22.930
And he was not able to leave his house
04:08:22.930 --> 04:08:27.830
because his egress
was through his garage.
04:08:27.830 --> 04:08:31.880
The garage door was
relying upon electricity.
04:08:31.880 --> 04:08:33.280
There was no battery backups.
04:08:33.280 --> 04:08:36.210
So, he was housebound
for a number of days.
04:08:38.430 --> 04:08:42.120
And so the question is
that in terms of drilling down
04:08:42.120 --> 04:08:46.870
to your contact system,
I see that since 2014,
04:08:46.870 --> 04:08:51.870
you've been looking at such
customers and what it means
04:08:52.380 --> 04:08:54.350
for them to be disconnected.
04:08:54.350 --> 04:08:57.040
And you have the efforts
for the medical baseline,
04:08:57.040 --> 04:08:59.630
but somebody kind of
servers may not qualify
04:08:59.630 --> 04:09:00.500
for medical baseline.
04:09:00.500 --> 04:09:05.240
So really what it is is that
in the event of a PSPS,
04:09:05.240 --> 04:09:10.240
you have a specific
communication effort for customers
04:09:10.440 --> 04:09:12.150
who are not medical baseline,
04:09:12.150 --> 04:09:16.360
but are self certified or
self-identified as disabled
04:09:16.360 --> 04:09:17.220
or vulnerable.
04:09:18.720 --> 04:09:23.700
Yeah, we do have a process
for customers to self identify.
04:09:24.810 --> 04:09:27.900
And I think somewhere to Scott's answer,
04:09:27.900 --> 04:09:31.530
we are really working with our
community based organizations
04:09:31.530 --> 04:09:34.700
to help us in that as well.
04:09:34.700 --> 04:09:37.960
So we have our own
processes, but we're also
04:09:40.430 --> 04:09:43.730
appreciate any help our
community based organizations
04:09:43.730 --> 04:09:46.690
can provide and in that space as well.
04:09:46.690 --> 04:09:50.050
But we do have a process
somewhere to how Scott described
04:09:50.050 --> 04:09:53.950
for confirmation that
messages were delivered.
04:09:53.950 --> 04:09:56.260
The only thing I'll also add is that
04:09:58.470 --> 04:10:01.390
we often find a lot of those customers,
04:10:01.390 --> 04:10:06.390
critical care in particular
have multiple channels
04:10:06.740 --> 04:10:11.740
and multiple people
identified as contacts for them.
04:10:11.790 --> 04:10:16.370
So, it would not be unusual
to have eight or nine contacts
04:10:16.370 --> 04:10:19.500
for a critical care customer.
04:10:19.500 --> 04:10:23.920
So I don't wanna give the
impression that there's only one,
04:10:23.920 --> 04:10:25.980
you get one email, if you don't read it,
04:10:25.980 --> 04:10:27.730
then you don't get the information,
04:10:28.728 --> 04:10:30.350
that is not the case at all.
04:10:30.350 --> 04:10:35.350
We often find that there's a
number of channels and contacts
04:10:36.150 --> 04:10:39.850
with our critical care
customers in particular.
04:10:41.610 --> 04:10:42.443
Thank you.
04:10:43.770 --> 04:10:45.950
Okay, Commissioner
Guzman Aceves.
04:10:47.100 --> 04:10:48.090
Thank you Present Batjer.
04:10:48.090 --> 04:10:50.150
And just as a followup to that,
04:10:50.150 --> 04:10:53.580
so you do have a similar
tracking for confirmation,
04:10:53.580 --> 04:10:56.070
including that if you
don't have confirmation
04:10:56.070 --> 04:10:59.990
of connection to phone
call, you do a home visit.
04:11:00.840 --> 04:11:03.410
Yep, we do what
we call a door knock.
04:11:03.410 --> 04:11:04.243
Okay.
04:11:04.243 --> 04:11:06.930
And then do you do a summer
program as Scott described
04:11:06.930 --> 04:11:08.280
for the mobile home parks?
04:11:12.740 --> 04:11:15.590
We do an annual outreach
to those master meter,
04:11:15.590 --> 04:11:19.180
but we did not do as Scott described.
04:11:19.180 --> 04:11:23.270
And so I was actually
gonna take that down
04:11:23.270 --> 04:11:28.270
as a follow up with SDG&E
is maybe a lesson learned
04:11:28.450 --> 04:11:32.490
for us out of this and
get a little more detailed
04:11:32.490 --> 04:11:37.490
on exactly what they did
and if we should enhance
04:11:37.650 --> 04:11:39.200
our services.
04:11:39.200 --> 04:11:44.020
I should also make mention
that as part of our preparation
04:11:44.980 --> 04:11:46.560
for this year and going forward,
04:11:46.560 --> 04:11:50.390
we actually have a team of
staff that we've put together
04:11:50.390 --> 04:11:53.500
that we call the customer care team.
04:11:53.500 --> 04:11:58.500
And so they're there for
during events for outreach,
04:11:58.930 --> 04:12:03.930
but they're also there
when under blue sky
04:12:04.000 --> 04:12:07.620
to look at enhancements
of our programs as well.
04:12:07.620 --> 04:12:10.633
And so that is the type of activity
04:12:10.633 --> 04:12:15.180
that we are constantly
keeping an eye on.
04:12:15.180 --> 04:12:17.260
So we are gonna reach out to SDG&E,
04:12:17.260 --> 04:12:19.500
get a little more information on that.
04:12:20.570 --> 04:12:23.000
Right, 'cause I know just
from that at work, obviously
04:12:23.000 --> 04:12:26.400
on our jurisdiction, we know
that this mobile home parks
04:12:26.400 --> 04:12:28.420
really lack connectivity.
04:12:28.420 --> 04:12:30.750
And so a lot of times
they're not getting
04:12:30.750 --> 04:12:33.190
all the social media
information and other things
04:12:33.190 --> 04:12:34.950
that your folks may be working on.
04:12:37.490 --> 04:12:39.280
Commissioner, we do have the...
04:12:39.280 --> 04:12:44.050
We did set up zip
code alerts and others.
04:12:44.050 --> 04:12:48.410
So, there are to the
extent they have devices
04:12:48.410 --> 04:12:53.340
to receive information, they
can sign up for those alerts.
04:12:53.340 --> 04:12:56.430
But the piece on
proactively reaching out
04:12:56.430 --> 04:13:00.900
behind the meter was the
specific part that I was interested
04:13:00.900 --> 04:13:02.060
in Scott's comments.
04:13:03.030 --> 04:13:03.863
Yes.
04:13:03.863 --> 04:13:08.863
Can I just say, I think if
once I could do this program
04:13:09.370 --> 04:13:13.110
that Mike, is there
interest in, did you call
04:13:13.110 --> 04:13:16.024
the master meter
customer or the customers
04:13:16.024 --> 04:13:18.440
behind the master meter,
04:13:18.440 --> 04:13:20.880
the individual medical
baseline customers
04:13:20.880 --> 04:13:23.360
who are behind the
master meter individually,
04:13:23.360 --> 04:13:25.060
who did you actually reach out to?
04:13:26.320 --> 04:13:28.720
So for medical
baseline customers,
04:13:28.720 --> 04:13:30.720
even if they're behind the master meter,
04:13:30.720 --> 04:13:33.020
we treat them like a
medical baseline customer
04:13:33.954 --> 04:13:35.530
that would be our customer.
04:13:35.530 --> 04:13:38.360
But in terms of the
program I was describing
04:13:38.360 --> 04:13:41.360
for general outreach to the
mobile home communities,
04:13:41.360 --> 04:13:45.270
we place calls generally
to the park manager
04:13:45.270 --> 04:13:49.620
to help then get the
information to the park residents.
04:13:49.620 --> 04:13:53.210
But if they are a medical
baseline customer,
04:13:53.210 --> 04:13:55.610
they aren't met, we do
have again customers
04:13:55.610 --> 04:13:59.330
behind the master meter that
we consider medical baseline.
04:13:59.330 --> 04:14:01.470
And we had the same
process that we would use
04:14:01.470 --> 04:14:02.720
for our normal customers.
04:14:06.820 --> 04:14:10.420
I have a follow on a
couple of comments
04:14:10.420 --> 04:14:12.230
and some questions if I may too.
04:14:13.530 --> 04:14:16.080
Really appreciate very
much what you said
04:14:16.080 --> 04:14:18.260
about how complicated this weekend was.
04:14:18.260 --> 04:14:20.550
I can say from our perspective,
04:14:22.170 --> 04:14:25.520
Lian Randolph and I
were in constant contact
04:14:25.520 --> 04:14:30.520
with Cal ISO and CEC and
OES and the Governor's office.
04:14:32.700 --> 04:14:36.550
And we appreciate how complicated it was
04:14:36.550 --> 04:14:38.210
for all of us, frankly.
04:14:38.210 --> 04:14:42.733
And I too want to mention
that your employees
04:14:44.100 --> 04:14:45.940
at big Creek, we were very worried.
04:14:45.940 --> 04:14:48.960
We saw the fire encroaching.
04:14:48.960 --> 04:14:52.320
We knew the limited
egress and regress one,
04:14:53.574 --> 04:14:56.850
two lane road and very,
very challenging area.
04:14:56.850 --> 04:14:59.000
And we were all very concerned.
04:14:59.000 --> 04:15:04.000
So we do express our ongoing
concern for those employees.
04:15:04.180 --> 04:15:06.540
One of the things you
mentioned that was extremely
04:15:06.540 --> 04:15:10.320
concerning to us, and
we tried to emphasize it
04:15:10.320 --> 04:15:13.290
to all of you, but I
think you referred to it
04:15:13.290 --> 04:15:14.830
as a skip flags.
04:15:14.830 --> 04:15:17.760
We wanted so much
that for the two incidents,
04:15:17.760 --> 04:15:19.950
the two events to be separated
04:15:19.950 --> 04:15:21.630
'cause we knew that
customers were going to be
04:15:21.630 --> 04:15:26.400
very confused by the blocked outages
04:15:26.400 --> 04:15:28.240
and then going into a PSPS.
04:15:28.240 --> 04:15:32.760
So there might be some
lessons learned for all of you
04:15:32.760 --> 04:15:36.600
to share in terms of that consequence,
04:15:36.600 --> 04:15:39.660
because not only knows we
don't wanna have that again,
04:15:39.660 --> 04:15:43.260
but with the severe
weather and climate change
04:15:43.260 --> 04:15:45.060
driven that we are experiencing
04:15:47.463 --> 04:15:49.290
and you put pandemic
on top of all of that.
04:15:49.290 --> 04:15:52.040
And you were really
dealing with some very, very
04:15:53.643 --> 04:15:54.476
challenging things.
04:15:54.476 --> 04:15:58.920
So I appreciate your
description of the skip flags
04:15:59.790 --> 04:16:02.340
'cause we were so worried
about that communication.
04:16:03.610 --> 04:16:07.320
And I've mentioned this
before my colleagues have,
04:16:07.320 --> 04:16:09.180
we do have great concerns
04:16:09.180 --> 04:16:11.810
for people behind the master meter.
04:16:11.810 --> 04:16:15.070
So I appreciate any
and all that you can do,
04:16:15.070 --> 04:16:19.460
all of you can do to
up the game with those
04:16:19.460 --> 04:16:21.070
that are in mobile home parks,
04:16:21.070 --> 04:16:23.070
those that are in section eight housing,
04:16:24.974 --> 04:16:29.974
medical baseline, as well
as people that need electricity
04:16:30.020 --> 04:16:33.120
to do basic functioning of life.
04:16:33.120 --> 04:16:37.060
So appreciate any ongoing efforts there.
04:16:38.170 --> 04:16:39.420
I think I had a question,
04:16:39.420 --> 04:16:41.230
but I think one of my
colleagues asked it.
04:16:41.230 --> 04:16:44.700
So I'll leave it at that.
04:16:44.700 --> 04:16:47.550
President Batjer, can I just
do another acknowledgement
04:16:47.550 --> 04:16:48.383
as well?
04:16:48.383 --> 04:16:49.642
Sure, of course.
04:16:49.642 --> 04:16:52.650
First, of course as
you said for his folks up
04:16:52.650 --> 04:16:56.940
in Huntington and all of
the communities up there.
04:16:56.940 --> 04:16:59.680
As some of you know, one of
my advisors has a family home
04:16:59.680 --> 04:17:00.513
up there.
04:17:00.513 --> 04:17:03.820
So she actually texted me some time
04:17:03.820 --> 04:17:07.540
before we all realized
that the hydro was down
04:17:07.540 --> 04:17:09.650
and that it was as serious as it was
04:17:09.650 --> 04:17:10.900
to the rest of the state.
04:17:12.400 --> 04:17:16.030
So really feel for all of your
employees there as well.
04:17:17.030 --> 04:17:20.930
But the other thing I just
really wanted to recognize
04:17:20.930 --> 04:17:22.970
because it's something
we heard really loudly
04:17:22.970 --> 04:17:25.490
from the public at our last meeting
04:17:25.490 --> 04:17:30.020
is that they see an outage,
whether it's from a heat storm
04:17:30.020 --> 04:17:34.680
or it's from a PSPS or it's
from some other events,
04:17:36.231 --> 04:17:39.970
the heavy winds that may
not have been forecasted,
04:17:40.940 --> 04:17:42.700
which would, those
should all be forecasted.
04:17:42.700 --> 04:17:46.470
But just thinking through
the need to notify them
04:17:46.470 --> 04:17:50.930
and the need that you mentioned
that uses established CRCs
04:17:50.930 --> 04:17:55.210
for those non PSPS heat related outages.
04:17:55.210 --> 04:17:57.050
I just wanna acknowledge that leadership
04:17:57.050 --> 04:18:00.250
because that is something
that we're likely gonna have
04:18:00.250 --> 04:18:03.900
to continue into be prepared
for and that you didn't try
04:18:03.900 --> 04:18:06.710
to bifurcate kind of,
well, we need a CRC
04:18:06.710 --> 04:18:08.850
'cause is a PSPs event, no.
04:18:08.850 --> 04:18:11.310
You need a CRC because
your customers are gonna be
04:18:11.310 --> 04:18:14.190
out of power and maybe
this one just needs a pop up,
04:18:14.190 --> 04:18:15.023
as you said.
04:18:15.023 --> 04:18:17.850
So I just wanna acknowledge
that because we heard
04:18:17.850 --> 04:18:20.370
so much from the public recently on,
04:18:20.370 --> 04:18:21.410
they don't know the difference.
04:18:21.410 --> 04:18:24.210
They just know their power
went off, they had no notice.
04:18:27.087 --> 04:18:28.530
And that's important
that we're talking about
04:18:28.530 --> 04:18:31.400
knowing us here today that
we carry out those protocols
04:18:31.400 --> 04:18:33.950
across the board,
regardless of the source.
04:18:33.950 --> 04:18:35.750
So thank you for that.
04:18:36.740 --> 04:18:38.050
I appreciate that.
04:18:38.050 --> 04:18:41.930
And just another, maybe
this is too much information,
04:18:41.930 --> 04:18:44.380
but we're part of EEI.
04:18:44.380 --> 04:18:49.380
And so they just have gone
through a huge storm response
04:18:49.690 --> 04:18:51.530
with a lot of mutual aid.
04:18:51.530 --> 04:18:53.810
And so there were some briefing docs
04:18:53.810 --> 04:18:56.020
out of lessons learned on that.
04:18:56.020 --> 04:18:59.790
And so some of the
other utilities back East,
04:18:59.790 --> 04:19:02.630
I don't think they call them
community resource centers,
04:19:02.630 --> 04:19:04.320
but they have a similar concept.
04:19:06.181 --> 04:19:09.790
And again, we read
some summary docs that,
04:19:10.847 --> 04:19:13.530
we're gonna reach out
to a couple of utilities
04:19:13.530 --> 04:19:17.300
and figure out their
history and how they use
04:19:17.300 --> 04:19:21.930
that kind of concept,
certainly broader than PSPS.
04:19:23.470 --> 04:19:27.290
But they had a large response,
04:19:27.290 --> 04:19:29.080
which indicates there's a big need.
04:19:29.080 --> 04:19:32.200
And we're gonna see if we can learn
04:19:32.200 --> 04:19:34.700
whether it's from
our California utilities
04:19:34.700 --> 04:19:38.040
or other utilities across the nation,
04:19:38.040 --> 04:19:43.040
or even some of our technology
on our PSPS across the world
04:19:43.330 --> 04:19:44.680
we're trying to learn from.
04:19:48.430 --> 04:19:50.220
Okay, thank you, Mike.
04:19:50.220 --> 04:19:53.170
Really appreciate the
thoroughness of the presentation.
04:19:54.540 --> 04:19:55.900
So Rachel, back to you.
04:19:57.750 --> 04:19:59.860
All right, thanks
President Batjer.
04:19:59.860 --> 04:20:02.000
I did forget to mention at the outset
04:20:02.000 --> 04:20:06.320
that the three utilities
did respond by letter
04:20:06.320 --> 04:20:10.880
to your request following
the August briefing.
04:20:10.880 --> 04:20:15.275
And those three letters are
all posted on our website,
04:20:15.275 --> 04:20:20.275
cpuc.ca.gov/psps in
case anyone listening in
04:20:21.240 --> 04:20:23.350
would like to read about their responses
04:20:23.350 --> 04:20:24.880
to the broader question.
04:20:25.980 --> 04:20:28.750
And with that, I will
turn it to Laurie Jumona
04:20:28.750 --> 04:20:30.040
from PG&E.
04:20:30.040 --> 04:20:30.873
Thanks Lori.
04:20:31.870 --> 04:20:33.170
Right, thanks Rachel.
04:20:34.078 --> 04:20:36.628
Good afternoon, President
Batjer and Commissioners.
04:20:39.174 --> 04:20:40.210
As you know, I'm Laurie Jimona.
04:20:40.210 --> 04:20:42.590
I'm senior vice president
and chief customer officer
04:20:42.590 --> 04:20:44.590
of Pacific gas and electric.
04:20:44.590 --> 04:20:47.750
And I wanna first start by
expressing my deep gratitude
04:20:47.750 --> 04:20:50.310
to the first responders who
have been working tirelessly
04:20:50.310 --> 04:20:54.300
across California to keep our customers
04:20:54.300 --> 04:20:57.080
and our community safe
during these recent wildfires
04:20:57.080 --> 04:21:01.490
and challenges presented by
the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.
04:21:01.490 --> 04:21:04.090
I also wanna thank our
customers for their patience.
04:21:05.070 --> 04:21:07.400
We appreciate the opportunity
to be here with you today
04:21:07.400 --> 04:21:09.060
to answer your questions.
04:21:09.060 --> 04:21:12.890
And today I plan to provide
an update on the PSPS event
04:21:12.890 --> 04:21:15.730
that has been taking place this week
04:21:15.730 --> 04:21:18.480
in our service territory
and how the improvements
04:21:18.480 --> 04:21:22.520
we made this year reduced
the impact on our customers.
04:21:22.520 --> 04:21:26.560
Joining me on the call today
by phone is Alan Johnson,
04:21:26.560 --> 04:21:29.630
our vice president of wildfire
safety and public engagement.
04:21:30.650 --> 04:21:33.410
Before I begin, I wanna take
a moment to acknowledge
04:21:33.410 --> 04:21:35.870
the terrible tragedy that
occurred in San Bruno
04:21:35.870 --> 04:21:36.830
10 years ago.
04:21:37.720 --> 04:21:40.520
It's a day that all of us
at PG&E will never forget.
04:21:41.666 --> 04:21:43.470
And for me personally,
as the Bay area native
04:21:43.470 --> 04:21:45.298
and someone who grew up in San Bruno,
04:21:45.298 --> 04:21:49.150
it continually guides
my work at the company.
04:21:49.150 --> 04:21:51.404
We continue to work hard
every day to improve our system
04:21:51.404 --> 04:21:53.920
and keep our customers
and communities safe.
04:21:56.450 --> 04:21:59.100
It's also been five
years since the Butte fire.
04:22:03.602 --> 04:22:05.540
And even though we've
made significant improvements
04:22:05.540 --> 04:22:07.520
and changes in order
to prevent wildfires,
04:22:07.520 --> 04:22:09.910
we know that we have more work to do.
04:22:09.910 --> 04:22:12.800
The devastation caused
by wildfires in recent weeks,
04:22:12.800 --> 04:22:16.160
have served as a stark
reminder of the risk
04:22:16.160 --> 04:22:18.760
our state faces and the
importance of doing everything
04:22:18.760 --> 04:22:21.970
possible to stop wildfires
before they began.
04:22:21.970 --> 04:22:24.760
We don't take the decision
to turn off power lightly.
04:22:24.760 --> 04:22:27.890
We recognize the PSPS events this week
04:22:27.890 --> 04:22:30.200
came on the heels of
so many other issues
04:22:30.200 --> 04:22:32.650
as Mike articulated and Scott
04:22:34.110 --> 04:22:36.420
and challenges that
our customers are facing.
04:22:36.420 --> 04:22:38.360
Not withstanding the rolling blackouts,
04:22:38.360 --> 04:22:42.010
ongoing wildfires and
the COVID-19 pandemic.
04:22:42.960 --> 04:22:44.760
So today I'd like to give you an update
04:22:44.760 --> 04:22:46.060
on this week's event.
04:22:47.010 --> 04:22:50.020
Late last week, our
meteorology team began tracking
04:22:50.020 --> 04:22:51.680
severe wind events.
04:22:51.680 --> 04:22:55.310
On Friday, we activated our
emergency operations center
04:22:55.310 --> 04:22:57.840
and began reaching out to County, tribal
04:22:57.840 --> 04:22:59.310
and state agency partners.
04:23:00.170 --> 04:23:02.720
On Saturday, we began
notifying our customers
04:23:02.720 --> 04:23:05.110
of a potential PSPS event.
04:23:05.110 --> 04:23:06.970
This included advanced notifications
04:23:06.970 --> 04:23:10.280
to public safety partners,
including telecom partners,
04:23:10.280 --> 04:23:13.190
to ensure they had
adequate time to plan.
04:23:13.190 --> 04:23:15.150
By Monday, the national weather service
04:23:15.150 --> 04:23:17.150
had declared a red flag warning
04:23:17.150 --> 04:23:19.420
for the majority of PG&E service area,
04:23:19.420 --> 04:23:24.190
which included approximately
1.5 million of our 5.4 million
04:23:24.190 --> 04:23:25.390
electric customers.
04:23:26.290 --> 04:23:29.580
And on Monday evening
at the last resort for safety,
04:23:29.580 --> 04:23:34.580
we began be energizing our
system to 172,000 customers
04:23:34.740 --> 04:23:37.830
in 22 counties and seven tribes.
04:23:37.830 --> 04:23:40.930
We began line through
early Tuesday morning.
04:23:42.000 --> 04:23:44.870
On Wednesday morning,
we received the all flare
04:23:44.870 --> 04:23:47.470
and by Wednesday evening
we had restored power
04:23:47.470 --> 04:23:49.120
to the majority of our customers.
04:23:51.400 --> 04:23:54.840
Approximately 2,900
customers as of right now,
04:23:54.840 --> 04:23:59.570
as Rachel mentioned were
still activated remain out of power
04:23:59.570 --> 04:24:01.830
in locations where smoke and fire
04:24:01.830 --> 04:24:04.560
has impeded inspections, patrols.
04:24:04.560 --> 04:24:08.050
However, we expect all
those customers to be restored
04:24:08.050 --> 04:24:10.910
by this afternoon or early
evening pending their ability
04:24:10.910 --> 04:24:12.400
to accept energy.
04:24:13.840 --> 04:24:16.430
Approximately 7,000
customers who were impacted
04:24:16.430 --> 04:24:19.850
by PSPS events are now de-energized
04:24:19.850 --> 04:24:22.060
solely due to wildfire impact.
04:24:22.060 --> 04:24:24.260
These customers will be
restored at the direction
04:24:24.260 --> 04:24:26.220
of first responders for wildfires.
04:24:27.740 --> 04:24:30.780
Our entire focus this year, as
you know has been to reduce
04:24:30.780 --> 04:24:33.660
the impact of public
safety power shut off.
04:24:33.660 --> 04:24:36.600
Our efforts are twofold,
operational improvements
04:24:36.600 --> 04:24:39.880
to shrink the size and length of events
04:24:39.880 --> 04:24:42.730
and additional support for our
customers and communities.
04:24:43.692 --> 04:24:46.990
For example, on the
operations side for this event,
04:24:46.990 --> 04:24:49.730
we've new weather technology
and our expanded weather
04:24:49.730 --> 04:24:52.350
station network to be much more precise
04:24:52.350 --> 04:24:53.960
with our weather forecasting.
04:24:55.040 --> 04:24:57.560
Our sectionalizing devices
were used to reduce
04:24:57.560 --> 04:25:00.610
the outage size and temporary generators
04:25:00.610 --> 04:25:03.860
or so stations and micro
grids and the humble Bay
04:25:03.860 --> 04:25:08.090
generating station to keep
approximately 71,000 customers
04:25:08.090 --> 04:25:10.030
energized were utilized.
04:25:10.910 --> 04:25:14.150
Those 71,000 customers
would have been in scope,
04:25:14.150 --> 04:25:18.500
had not had the use of the
generators and micro grids
04:25:18.500 --> 04:25:20.650
and the generating
station at Humboldt Bay.
04:25:21.530 --> 04:25:23.870
These improvements
allowed us to reduce the size
04:25:23.870 --> 04:25:26.590
of the event compared
to our operations last year.
04:25:28.127 --> 04:25:31.547
For our customers, especially
those that with access
04:25:33.500 --> 04:25:37.190
and functional means, we
know there is no good time
04:25:37.190 --> 04:25:38.710
to be without power.
04:25:38.710 --> 04:25:43.120
And they depend on good
information, resources and support.
04:25:43.120 --> 04:25:45.100
We've been listening and
learning from our customers
04:25:45.100 --> 04:25:47.940
all year and we have
focused our efforts in the areas
04:25:47.940 --> 04:25:50.560
where they have the greatest concern.
04:25:50.560 --> 04:25:54.030
As we all know last
year, our website crashed.
04:25:54.030 --> 04:25:56.090
There were issues with our notifications
04:25:56.090 --> 04:25:58.220
and we let our customers down.
04:25:58.220 --> 04:26:00.460
For this event, our notifications
04:26:00.460 --> 04:26:02.810
provided more detailed information
04:26:02.810 --> 04:26:06.650
and in more languages about
when power would be turned off
04:26:06.650 --> 04:26:08.870
and when it would be restored.
04:26:08.870 --> 04:26:12.820
The websites managed
1.6 million hits per hour
04:26:12.820 --> 04:26:14.640
and remained stable.
04:26:14.640 --> 04:26:17.740
In fact, during tests
and our PSPS websites
04:26:17.740 --> 04:26:22.210
successfully handled
240 million hits per hour.
04:26:22.210 --> 04:26:25.410
And during the rotating
outage event on August 17th,
04:26:25.410 --> 04:26:28.670
pg.com handled 12 million hits per hour.
04:26:29.510 --> 04:26:33.430
Customers were able to access
new math and online tools.
04:26:33.430 --> 04:26:35.280
And our call center wait times average,
04:26:35.280 --> 04:26:37.230
just seven seconds throughout the week.
04:26:38.660 --> 04:26:40.990
Many of our customers
who visit our website,
04:26:40.990 --> 04:26:44.940
we're looking for community
resource centers near them.
04:26:44.940 --> 04:26:48.260
For this event, we were
able to set up 50 community
04:26:48.260 --> 04:26:52.540
resource centers in 18
counties and tribal communities.
04:26:52.540 --> 04:26:57.100
13 CRCs were still open
today and will remain open
04:26:57.100 --> 04:27:00.590
until all of the
customers are energized.
04:27:01.530 --> 04:27:04.470
As of yesterday, the centers
had served approximately
04:27:04.470 --> 04:27:08.820
6,500 visitors and handed
out approximately 6,200
04:27:08.820 --> 04:27:12.930
grabbing bell bags with
device chargers, water, snacks,
04:27:12.930 --> 04:27:15.190
and information cards.
04:27:15.190 --> 04:27:17.460
Customers were also
able to safely charge
04:27:17.460 --> 04:27:18.760
their medical devices.
04:27:20.750 --> 04:27:22.930
We know that not everyone
is able to make a trip
04:27:22.930 --> 04:27:27.170
to the community resource
centers and may need more support.
04:27:27.170 --> 04:27:29.960
And that's why we've established
and funded partnerships
04:27:29.960 --> 04:27:33.420
with community based organizations
who know these customers
04:27:33.420 --> 04:27:36.430
best to provide specialized
support and services.
04:27:37.360 --> 04:27:38.900
For example, for this event,
04:27:40.460 --> 04:27:43.170
we were able to fund
and supply groceries
04:27:43.170 --> 04:27:46.710
that said families of four for a week.
04:27:46.710 --> 04:27:49.100
They were distributed
to over 730 families
04:27:49.100 --> 04:27:51.750
through partnerships
via local food banks,
04:27:51.750 --> 04:27:53.370
and the support will be ongoing.
04:27:54.240 --> 04:27:56.430
For our meals on wheels partnership,
04:27:56.430 --> 04:28:00.540
266 seniors received additional
meals and wellness checks.
04:28:01.700 --> 04:28:05.960
467 customers in the
high fire threat areas
04:28:05.960 --> 04:28:08.190
received portable backup batteries
04:28:08.190 --> 04:28:10.380
through our partnership
with California foundation
04:28:10.380 --> 04:28:13.430
for independent living centers
and other organizations.
04:28:14.270 --> 04:28:16.570
And we also partnered
with the California hospital
04:28:16.570 --> 04:28:18.840
association and hospital
council of Northern
04:28:18.840 --> 04:28:21.500
and central California to execute
04:28:21.500 --> 04:28:24.690
our hospital energization plans.
04:28:24.690 --> 04:28:27.570
Through this partnership,
we provided backup power
04:28:27.570 --> 04:28:30.610
and coordinated the
switch to and from the grid
04:28:30.610 --> 04:28:33.800
with hospitals to minimize
the destruction to patients.
04:28:36.480 --> 04:28:39.340
We've listened and we've
learned a lot since last year.
04:28:40.360 --> 04:28:42.840
We are especially grateful
for our agency partners
04:28:42.840 --> 04:28:44.940
who have patiently worked
with us as we grapple
04:28:44.940 --> 04:28:46.930
with the communications challenges
04:28:46.930 --> 04:28:50.310
associated with public
safety power shut off.
04:28:50.310 --> 04:28:51.930
Because of their direct feedback,
04:28:51.930 --> 04:28:54.490
we've improved our
lines of communication,
04:28:54.490 --> 04:28:56.910
created new information sharing tools,
04:28:56.910 --> 04:29:01.080
and establish a deeper bench
to support event response.
04:29:01.080 --> 04:29:04.590
We'll continue to adapt and
refine our coordination efforts.
04:29:05.680 --> 04:29:08.310
In closing, I'd like to thank
you for the opportunity
04:29:08.310 --> 04:29:10.760
to speak about our most recent
event and the improvements
04:29:10.760 --> 04:29:13.380
we're making for the
safety of all of our customers
04:29:13.380 --> 04:29:14.900
and our community.
04:29:14.900 --> 04:29:17.530
Well, we have made
progress from last year,
04:29:17.530 --> 04:29:19.250
we know that we have more work to do,
04:29:19.250 --> 04:29:22.880
and we're determined
to continue to do it.
04:29:22.880 --> 04:29:26.230
Once we conclude this event,
we'll be conducting a hotwash
04:29:26.230 --> 04:29:29.790
and we'll seek input from
RAFN advisory council,
04:29:29.790 --> 04:29:31.180
our community partners.
04:29:31.180 --> 04:29:34.751
And we'll certainly be leveraging
the learnings from SDG&E
04:29:34.751 --> 04:29:39.090
and Soquel Edison and continue to refine
04:29:39.090 --> 04:29:40.560
and improve our processes.
04:29:42.204 --> 04:29:44.660
The letter we provided,
as Rachel mentioned,
04:29:44.660 --> 04:29:48.050
outlined more specific
answers to the questions
04:29:48.050 --> 04:29:52.260
that you had from our last session.
04:29:52.260 --> 04:29:55.980
And then we'll have additional
details in our 10 day report
04:29:55.980 --> 04:29:59.300
that will come at the
commencement of our event this week.
04:29:59.300 --> 04:30:02.240
And I'd be happy to answer
any questions at this point.
04:30:03.590 --> 04:30:07.730
Thank you, Laurie, very
helpful outline of events.
04:30:09.330 --> 04:30:13.280
I'm likely to ask both Scott and Mike,
04:30:13.280 --> 04:30:16.630
what regarding behind the master meter.
04:30:16.630 --> 04:30:21.630
I don't think you talked about
how PG&E contacted folks
04:30:22.930 --> 04:30:26.830
behind the master meter,
mobile home park residents,
04:30:26.830 --> 04:30:28.830
residents of section
eight housing, et cetera.
04:30:28.830 --> 04:30:33.210
And I know regulate in
your tier two and three areas.
04:30:33.210 --> 04:30:36.500
You do have quite a few
mobile home park residents
04:30:36.500 --> 04:30:38.150
that are your customers.
04:30:39.090 --> 04:30:41.230
We do, thanks for the question.
04:30:41.230 --> 04:30:45.550
We've been focusing on really
ensuring that we're sharing
04:30:45.550 --> 04:30:48.580
information in advance
of wildfire season,
04:30:48.580 --> 04:30:52.670
enabling those customers
that are behind the meters
04:30:52.670 --> 04:30:54.840
that would have the
opportunity to qualify
04:30:54.840 --> 04:30:58.850
for medical baseline, get
access to medical baseline
04:30:58.850 --> 04:31:02.460
and ensure that the
master meter account holder
04:31:02.460 --> 04:31:04.970
has the relevant information.
04:31:04.970 --> 04:31:09.130
Once we go into an event, if
a customer behind the meter
04:31:10.549 --> 04:31:13.870
in a master metered
environment is a medical baseline
04:31:13.870 --> 04:31:16.860
customer, we follow all of
our medical baseline protocols
04:31:16.860 --> 04:31:18.450
with those customers.
04:31:18.450 --> 04:31:22.000
In addition, we do outreach
to the account holder
04:31:22.000 --> 04:31:23.580
at the master meter.
04:31:23.580 --> 04:31:26.320
We still think there's
more we can do there.
04:31:26.320 --> 04:31:29.660
And we'll be partnering
both with SCE and San Diego
04:31:29.660 --> 04:31:33.080
to leverage their best
practices and really focus
04:31:33.080 --> 04:31:37.390
on how do we have stronger
engagement with that community.
04:31:37.390 --> 04:31:40.730
But if in fact a customer
is behind the meter,
04:31:42.052 --> 04:31:44.840
behind the master metered
or in section eight housing,
04:31:44.840 --> 04:31:48.450
and we have them on a
medical baseline profile,
04:31:49.360 --> 04:31:54.030
we then have the standard
protocols of notification
04:31:55.621 --> 04:31:58.120
and then personal contact
and then door knocking
04:31:58.120 --> 04:31:59.040
for a wellness check
04:31:59.040 --> 04:32:01.340
that if we haven't had
positive confirmation.
04:32:02.910 --> 04:32:03.743
Okay.
04:32:03.743 --> 04:32:08.590
And I missed the number of
people that you had provided
04:32:10.550 --> 04:32:12.560
portable backup batteries to.
04:32:16.340 --> 04:32:21.340
Yes, we provided 467
batteries for customers.
04:32:23.360 --> 04:32:25.670
And that was through the foundation
04:32:25.670 --> 04:32:27.110
for independent living centers,
04:32:27.110 --> 04:32:29.580
escalations through our contact centers.
04:32:30.630 --> 04:32:34.560
We have batteries prepared
to continue to deliver
04:32:34.560 --> 04:32:38.020
throughout wildfire season
as we take inventory of those.
04:32:38.020 --> 04:32:40.780
But these were batteries
in customer's hands
04:32:40.780 --> 04:32:44.100
and then batteries that we
deliver throughout the event.
04:32:44.100 --> 04:32:45.650
As you probably are aware,
04:32:45.650 --> 04:32:50.650
we had a great deal of public
comment and public need
04:32:52.786 --> 04:32:54.820
in the last two Commission meetings
04:32:54.820 --> 04:32:58.180
regarding break need for batteries
04:32:58.180 --> 04:33:00.570
and the small on batteries.
04:33:00.570 --> 04:33:03.320
I always forget the
name, if you'll remind me.
04:33:03.320 --> 04:33:07.190
But I think the more all three
of you can do in that areas
04:33:07.190 --> 04:33:09.877
the better, because
there is a great need
04:33:09.877 --> 04:33:13.560
in your customer base and the public.
04:33:13.560 --> 04:33:14.950
comments to us.
04:33:14.950 --> 04:33:16.670
Plus I think you had your hand up.
04:33:19.000 --> 04:33:20.400
Some of the batteries
of the Yeti batteries,
04:33:20.400 --> 04:33:22.970
President Batjer, but
I just had a followup
04:33:22.970 --> 04:33:25.000
to that question from
President Batjer, Laura,
04:33:25.000 --> 04:33:28.850
'cause in the letter when
you were here in August,
04:33:30.469 --> 04:33:32.830
in your letter, you said
you've deployed 467
04:33:32.830 --> 04:33:37.273
and you anticipate the
6000 by the end of October
04:33:37.273 --> 04:33:41.960
and of course, 9,500
by the end of the year
04:33:41.960 --> 04:33:43.930
or the end of November.
04:33:43.930 --> 04:33:48.220
And I'm wondering, and this is based on,
04:33:48.220 --> 04:33:52.170
you're identifying a need
of about 10,500 customers
04:33:52.170 --> 04:33:55.900
in the air is most prone to PSPS events.
04:33:55.900 --> 04:33:59.110
I don't know if you know this yet,
04:33:59.110 --> 04:34:02.380
but all of the areas
which would be energized
04:34:02.380 --> 04:34:05.280
in this last event, how many people
04:34:05.280 --> 04:34:07.440
that you hope to get batteries to,
04:34:07.440 --> 04:34:08.910
but haven't yet were affected.
04:34:08.910 --> 04:34:10.700
And how were they served,
04:34:11.560 --> 04:34:13.230
has been didn't have the batteries yet.
04:34:13.230 --> 04:34:15.990
Did they go to the CRC
or do you have any visibility
04:34:15.990 --> 04:34:18.230
into what happened to those customers?
04:34:20.250 --> 04:34:21.320
Thank you for the question.
04:34:21.320 --> 04:34:26.320
We're still gathering the input,
but we did have customers
04:34:26.590 --> 04:34:30.720
who, if they didn't already
have a stage pre-staged battery,
04:34:31.964 --> 04:34:33.480
they called the contact center.
04:34:33.480 --> 04:34:36.930
They also contacted the CFILCs
04:34:36.930 --> 04:34:40.030
or they contacted the
community based organizations
04:34:40.030 --> 04:34:41.260
that we designated.
04:34:42.330 --> 04:34:45.090
We'll have those reports
over the next several days
04:34:45.090 --> 04:34:47.840
as to how many contacts we've received.
04:34:47.840 --> 04:34:50.360
But we really worked hard to make sure
04:34:50.360 --> 04:34:54.800
that customers knew
that we had batteries
04:34:54.800 --> 04:34:56.640
and they were accessible.
04:34:56.640 --> 04:34:59.840
And in fact, in our press
briefings each evening,
04:34:59.840 --> 04:35:03.100
we made sure to mention
that if there was a need,
04:35:03.100 --> 04:35:07.560
to please contact us
directly, contact the CFILC
04:35:07.560 --> 04:35:10.710
and continue to
promote that information.
04:35:10.710 --> 04:35:13.200
But we're gonna
continue to gather that data
04:35:13.200 --> 04:35:14.810
and continue to learn.
04:35:14.810 --> 04:35:17.970
We also secured hotel
rooms so that if in fact
04:35:17.970 --> 04:35:20.460
the batteries might not be
appropriate for our customer,
04:35:20.460 --> 04:35:23.930
which we know it's not
appropriate for all customers,
04:35:23.930 --> 04:35:26.800
we had hotel rooms
secured, should the CFLC
04:35:26.800 --> 04:35:29.830
or another agency
want to move a customer
04:35:29.830 --> 04:35:31.520
to a safe hotel room.
04:35:35.370 --> 04:35:36.203
Thank you.
04:35:38.120 --> 04:35:39.510
Yes, Commissioner Randolph,
04:35:39.510 --> 04:35:41.310
and then Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
04:35:43.100 --> 04:35:47.330
So I had a question
about one of the issues
04:35:47.330 --> 04:35:51.510
that Mike raised on
the Skip flag process
04:35:51.510 --> 04:35:55.790
and the ability to
sort of try to separate
04:35:55.790 --> 04:36:00.790
your rolling outage block from
your PSPS customer potential.
04:36:01.120 --> 04:36:06.120
Was PG&E able to do that
for this past week of events.
04:36:08.470 --> 04:36:10.040
Commissioner Randolph,
thanks for the question.
04:36:10.040 --> 04:36:11.330
Yes, we were able to do,
04:36:11.330 --> 04:36:15.750
we followed the same
protocol that SDG did rather,
04:36:15.750 --> 04:36:20.410
and we were able to
remove those customers
04:36:20.410 --> 04:36:22.070
from our rolling blocks
04:36:22.070 --> 04:36:24.700
so that it would not confuse customers.
04:36:24.700 --> 04:36:27.830
So they didn't receive two
different types of notifications.
04:36:27.830 --> 04:36:30.830
But should we have had to de-energize
04:36:30.830 --> 04:36:34.430
based on the rolling blocks,
04:36:34.430 --> 04:36:37.950
the customers that were
impacted by the PSPS events
04:36:37.950 --> 04:36:39.160
would have been removed.
04:36:41.490 --> 04:36:42.390
Okay, thank you.
04:36:44.270 --> 04:36:45.810
Well, I'll just follow
up on that part.
04:36:45.810 --> 04:36:48.820
It sounded like you said that
you had kind of the inverse
04:36:48.820 --> 04:36:51.850
where 7,000 of your PSP
has been back to the customers
04:36:51.850 --> 04:36:55.220
are now remain impacted because of fire.
04:36:59.496 --> 04:37:01.330
Did I get that right?
04:37:01.330 --> 04:37:04.720
Yes, approximately 7,000
customers have not been allowed
04:37:04.720 --> 04:37:07.280
back into the area due to active fires.
04:37:07.280 --> 04:37:10.210
And so we have not obviously
re-energized those customers
04:37:10.210 --> 04:37:11.043
as of yet.
04:37:13.560 --> 04:37:15.470
So they're evacuated then.
04:37:15.470 --> 04:37:17.190
They're evacuated, yes.
04:37:17.190 --> 04:37:18.023
Correct.
04:37:19.220 --> 04:37:22.420
So, we have 2,900
customers as of today
04:37:24.719 --> 04:37:27.610
that we have still been
patrolling to determine
04:37:27.610 --> 04:37:31.170
if we can safely re-energize them.
04:37:31.170 --> 04:37:35.740
We have found damage
throughout the area.
04:37:35.740 --> 04:37:39.500
And so some of those
customers are taking a bit longer
04:37:39.500 --> 04:37:43.670
to get energized based
on our foot patrolling,
04:37:43.670 --> 04:37:46.420
because we couldn't get all
of our helicopters up in the air
04:37:46.420 --> 04:37:51.410
due to the weather
conditions and also to restore
04:37:51.410 --> 04:37:54.230
based on the damage
that we've been finding.
04:37:55.740 --> 04:37:57.850
Okay, two more
questions for me.
04:37:57.850 --> 04:38:02.710
One is, of the seven tribes
you said were impacted,
04:38:02.710 --> 04:38:07.710
did each of the tribe have a CRC?
04:38:08.822 --> 04:38:10.940
I'm gonna ask Aaron
Johnson to respond.
04:38:10.940 --> 04:38:15.940
I believe we only had a request
for one tribe to have a CRC.
04:38:16.970 --> 04:38:20.380
The other CRCs were located
in close enough proximity
04:38:20.380 --> 04:38:23.450
to the tribe, but we
coordinated with the tribes
04:38:23.450 --> 04:38:25.730
to make sure that we
were supporting them.
04:38:30.940 --> 04:38:32.160
Laurie, this is Aaron.
04:38:32.160 --> 04:38:35.690
Good afternoon, President
Batjer and Commissioners.
04:38:35.690 --> 04:38:37.430
Laurie, can you hear me?
04:38:37.430 --> 04:38:38.630
I can, yeah.
04:38:38.630 --> 04:38:41.520
Okay, I just want to
confirm what Laurie said,
04:38:41.520 --> 04:38:46.330
we had one CRC when the
Yurok tribe came into scope
04:38:47.940 --> 04:38:50.750
in the last 24 hours as the
weather event expanded,
04:38:50.750 --> 04:38:55.174
we did set up a CRC at the
Yurok tribe up in Humboldt.
04:38:55.174 --> 04:38:58.490
But there were no other tribes.
04:38:58.490 --> 04:39:02.090
We did provide generation
at our substation,
04:39:02.090 --> 04:39:05.610
which is right near
(distorted sound) tribe as well.
04:39:07.280 --> 04:39:09.840
Okay, and then
this is a question
04:39:09.840 --> 04:39:11.320
for all of the utilities.
04:39:13.106 --> 04:39:18.106
One of the obvious
responders are coordinated
04:39:19.370 --> 04:39:23.710
critical entities are the
telecommunication providers.
04:39:23.710 --> 04:39:27.690
And they've recently been visiting us
04:39:27.690 --> 04:39:29.910
because of a separate
proposal as the president
04:39:29.910 --> 04:39:33.590
is undergoing right
now on their resiliency.
04:39:33.590 --> 04:39:37.700
And some of them have
alleged that they only get
04:39:37.700 --> 04:39:42.700
email notifications from you
on PSPS or other shutoffs.
04:39:44.890 --> 04:39:47.280
And I wonder if you
could each talk about
04:39:47.280 --> 04:39:51.290
maybe what, in addition
to your 48 hour notification
04:39:51.290 --> 04:39:52.710
you may be doing.
04:39:52.710 --> 04:39:56.580
And if you have actual point of contact
04:39:57.540 --> 04:40:01.350
that does a follow up, do
you have a similar tracking
04:40:01.350 --> 04:40:04.250
for confirmation that
the local providers
04:40:04.250 --> 04:40:06.020
are aware that this is gonna happen
04:40:06.020 --> 04:40:09.330
and they need to turn
on their backup generation
04:40:09.330 --> 04:40:11.540
or whatever they need to do to prepare.
04:40:17.078 --> 04:40:18.240
Thank you for the question.
04:40:18.240 --> 04:40:21.310
We've actually had the
telecommunications providers
04:40:21.310 --> 04:40:25.640
in our service territory
participate in all of our drills
04:40:25.640 --> 04:40:29.750
up until this PSPS event that we called.
04:40:29.750 --> 04:40:33.480
In addition to that, we're
giving them advance notice
04:40:33.480 --> 04:40:38.040
when we notify all
of our other partners.
04:40:38.040 --> 04:40:41.790
We also embed a role within
our incident command structure
04:40:41.790 --> 04:40:44.680
that their sole focus is to coordinate
04:40:44.680 --> 04:40:46.960
with the telecommunications providers.
04:40:46.960 --> 04:40:51.420
So in addition to notifications,
04:40:51.420 --> 04:40:55.230
there is somebody
on staff to do outreach,
04:40:55.230 --> 04:40:59.060
respond to concerns,
challenges, and really coordinate
04:40:59.060 --> 04:41:01.610
with the telecommunications
providers at PG&E.
04:41:03.820 --> 04:41:05.550
This is Mike from Madison.
04:41:05.550 --> 04:41:09.050
I'll just kind of add to that as well.
04:41:09.050 --> 04:41:13.550
So we coordinate through
CUEA during an incident
04:41:13.550 --> 04:41:14.880
as one touch point,
04:41:14.880 --> 04:41:19.800
but each telecommunications
providers and assigned account.
04:41:19.800 --> 04:41:21.920
And so they're getting outreach
04:41:21.920 --> 04:41:24.190
from account management as well.
04:41:24.190 --> 04:41:29.060
And also it's available, I
believe all the telecoms
04:41:29.060 --> 04:41:33.530
are using the integrated
GIS mapping layers
04:41:33.530 --> 04:41:37.650
that we provide to public
safety partners as well.
04:41:37.650 --> 04:41:42.650
So that information on the
potential event areas in that
04:41:42.890 --> 04:41:45.490
so that they can overlay,
as you can imagine,
04:41:45.490 --> 04:41:47.940
the telecoms have thousands of accounts,
04:41:47.940 --> 04:41:50.070
some of the larger ones.
04:41:50.070 --> 04:41:54.470
And so trying to really figure
out the footprint of PSPS
04:41:54.470 --> 04:41:56.780
in what it actually means for them.
04:41:56.780 --> 04:41:58.920
We've had many conversations,
04:41:58.920 --> 04:42:03.920
we've held a dedicated
telecom resiliency workshops.
04:42:04.110 --> 04:42:07.210
We've had leadership meetings,
04:42:07.210 --> 04:42:10.380
one-on-one with a
number of them as well.
04:42:11.490 --> 04:42:13.320
So I think we've done a lot
04:42:13.320 --> 04:42:18.320
to try and coordinate with them.
04:42:18.800 --> 04:42:22.920
But again, if we have some
feedback from this event
04:42:22.920 --> 04:42:25.160
on what went well or didn't,
04:42:25.160 --> 04:42:28.370
then we would consider
that for future actions as well.
04:42:31.900 --> 04:42:34.251
Commissioners, this
is Scott with SDG&E.
04:42:34.251 --> 04:42:37.590
It's very similarly, yeah,
we don't just send an email
04:42:37.590 --> 04:42:38.880
and hope they get it.
04:42:38.880 --> 04:42:43.120
We have a dedicated business
services representatives
04:42:43.120 --> 04:42:45.610
and appointed contact
to that reaches out
04:42:45.610 --> 04:42:48.780
to the telecom companies
and stays in close contact
04:42:48.780 --> 04:42:50.610
with them throughout the entire event.
04:42:54.470 --> 04:42:56.470
I have a question.
04:42:56.470 --> 04:43:01.239
It might go to all of you,
but I think for first PG&E.
04:43:01.239 --> 04:43:06.239
I'm trying to remember when
you last appeared before us
04:43:07.420 --> 04:43:11.710
early in August, it seemed
to me that some of you,
04:43:11.710 --> 04:43:15.980
you had varying preparation
of the CRCs at the time.
04:43:17.365 --> 04:43:19.791
And don't remember all the numbers
04:43:19.791 --> 04:43:20.920
off the top of my head right now,
04:43:20.920 --> 04:43:25.920
but so how far in advance
Laurie, did your customers know
04:43:27.410 --> 04:43:30.760
where the CRC is that
you did stand up the 50,
04:43:32.624 --> 04:43:35.050
that you stood up and then you said
04:43:35.050 --> 04:43:38.640
you still have 13 remaining today.
04:43:38.640 --> 04:43:43.020
Were folks aware that and
how were they made aware
04:43:43.020 --> 04:43:46.170
of that in the impacted
counties and in the tribal areas?
04:43:46.170 --> 04:43:48.936
Of course you just said that
you only had one product,
04:43:48.936 --> 04:43:50.940
but how did you notify them?
04:43:50.940 --> 04:43:54.000
And, I don't wanna put a negative on it,
04:43:54.000 --> 04:43:55.620
but were you scrambling
at the last minute
04:43:55.620 --> 04:43:58.020
in some of those areas,
or was your pre-planning
04:43:58.870 --> 04:44:00.230
useful and helpful?
04:44:02.120 --> 04:44:03.000
Thanks for the question.
04:44:03.000 --> 04:44:06.980
Our pre planning was
very helpful and useful.
04:44:06.980 --> 04:44:09.610
We were tightly
coordinated with the County,
04:44:09.610 --> 04:44:14.610
so we were able to activate our CRCs.
04:44:14.640 --> 04:44:17.700
We had it up on our
website 24 hours in advance
04:44:17.700 --> 04:44:20.020
and sort of pushing it out
through all of our media,
04:44:20.020 --> 04:44:23.050
social channels and advising customers
04:44:24.225 --> 04:44:26.560
as to where those CRCs would be.
04:44:26.560 --> 04:44:29.260
I think the one challenge we
had is that we were dealing
04:44:29.260 --> 04:44:33.000
with active fires as well as smoke.
04:44:33.000 --> 04:44:36.140
And so as we put them up
and they were ready to go
04:44:36.140 --> 04:44:40.360
and we could operate them
with the hours of operation,
04:44:40.360 --> 04:44:41.970
we did have throughout the event,
04:44:41.970 --> 04:44:43.930
some that at the request of the...
04:44:43.930 --> 04:44:45.400
And in support of the counties,
04:44:45.400 --> 04:44:47.960
we had to shut down for periods of time,
04:44:47.960 --> 04:44:51.670
just given that the
measures with air quality
04:44:51.670 --> 04:44:53.810
or impending wildfires.
04:44:53.810 --> 04:44:57.330
But we certainly have
the ability to scale.
04:44:57.330 --> 04:44:59.830
And I think the pre
planning really helped us
04:44:59.830 --> 04:45:02.600
and enabled us to provide
the right environment
04:45:02.600 --> 04:45:06.190
for customers and really in
partnership with our County.
04:45:06.190 --> 04:45:08.790
But we were able to
leverage all of the pre-work
04:45:08.790 --> 04:45:13.790
that we had done, so we were
not scrambling for agreements
04:45:13.900 --> 04:45:16.140
or staging.
04:45:16.140 --> 04:45:21.140
We had even done some dry
runs and does some practice drills
04:45:21.210 --> 04:45:24.460
by setting CRCs up
and then operating them.
04:45:24.460 --> 04:45:26.970
And then earlier in August,
04:45:26.970 --> 04:45:28.620
the weeks are starting
to blend together,
04:45:28.620 --> 04:45:31.200
but we had the requests
during one of the fires
04:45:32.340 --> 04:45:36.090
to support CRCs in the back hill area.
04:45:36.090 --> 04:45:38.180
And so we had the
opportunity to stand up
04:45:38.180 --> 04:45:43.120
two of our mobile sites,
so it wasn't a PSPS event,
04:45:43.120 --> 04:45:45.240
but we were responding
to the county's need
04:45:45.240 --> 04:45:48.280
to provide charging and
support for customers.
04:45:48.280 --> 04:45:49.990
So we were able to do that earlier.
04:45:49.990 --> 04:45:54.350
And that again gave us that
ability to test that mobile CRC.
04:45:55.481 --> 04:45:56.720
And we already had the agreement,
04:45:56.720 --> 04:45:58.080
so when the counties requested,
04:45:58.080 --> 04:46:00.120
we were able to just quickly activate.
04:46:02.070 --> 04:46:07.070
So of the 50 that
you did stand up,
04:46:07.180 --> 04:46:10.490
I know that you had a
mixture of brick and mortar
04:46:11.769 --> 04:46:14.030
and then tenting
because of the pandemic,
04:46:14.030 --> 04:46:15.710
you had to make some changes there.
04:46:15.710 --> 04:46:18.020
I remember your reporting on that.
04:46:18.020 --> 04:46:20.300
Of the 50, how many of those were those,
04:46:20.300 --> 04:46:22.100
the preplanned brick and mortar.
04:46:23.470 --> 04:46:27.690
We were able to activate
five of the brick and mortar
04:46:27.690 --> 04:46:30.510
again, based on our
coordination with the County.
04:46:30.510 --> 04:46:34.280
And then we did the
remaining 45 were mobile
04:46:34.280 --> 04:46:35.890
and drive through sites.
04:46:36.790 --> 04:46:41.360
But they had tents and customers
were able to safely charge.
04:46:41.360 --> 04:46:44.500
We had customers that
stayed at the mobile site
04:46:44.500 --> 04:46:48.340
and for those customers that
simply wanted to drive through
04:46:48.340 --> 04:46:51.490
and get information
we were able to provide
04:46:51.490 --> 04:46:55.170
as we mentioned, the go bag
for them and supplies for them.
04:46:57.350 --> 04:47:00.970
Going back to your
operational discussion
04:47:00.970 --> 04:47:05.360
on how many of your
temporary generations,
04:47:05.360 --> 04:47:08.030
and this is for the PSPS
event, not for the heat
04:47:08.870 --> 04:47:13.730
and the need for demand
response and so forth
04:47:13.730 --> 04:47:15.280
over the weekend.
04:47:15.280 --> 04:47:19.010
But for the PSPS event,
how many of your temp gen,
04:47:19.010 --> 04:47:22.620
temporary generation your substations
04:47:24.547 --> 04:47:26.830
did you stand up the
temporary generation
04:47:26.830 --> 04:47:28.400
or is it still ongoing.
04:47:29.510 --> 04:47:31.110
It's still ongoing.
04:47:32.070 --> 04:47:34.530
Aaron, do you wanna
provide the details for that?
04:47:35.870 --> 04:47:37.020
Sure, Laurie.
04:47:39.189 --> 04:47:41.720
So we stood up a five
temporary micro grids
04:47:41.720 --> 04:47:45.650
two are what we call
a mid peter micro grid
04:47:45.650 --> 04:47:46.800
or a temporary micro grid.
04:47:46.800 --> 04:47:50.930
It's actually in an
area with fire weather.
04:47:50.930 --> 04:47:54.290
So it's like an oasis
operating in that area.
04:47:54.290 --> 04:47:58.010
Three substations, we
were able to power up
04:47:59.790 --> 04:48:02.720
Hoopa and Willow Creek,
both in Humboldt County.
04:48:02.720 --> 04:48:06.570
And then the Brunswick
substation in Nevada County
04:48:06.570 --> 04:48:08.200
in Grass Valley.
04:48:08.200 --> 04:48:13.200
We also provided backup
generation for six ICU hospitals
04:48:13.220 --> 04:48:15.370
and pandemic response units.
04:48:15.370 --> 04:48:19.760
And then we received six
ad hoc backup generation
04:48:19.760 --> 04:48:23.580
support requests that we
were able to execute on,
04:48:23.580 --> 04:48:25.400
a couple of which were to provide power
04:48:25.400 --> 04:48:30.400
for the North Firebase
camps, which were in scope
04:48:31.536 --> 04:48:34.140
and obviously needed to
maintain their operations.
04:48:36.140 --> 04:48:38.100
And those are
all diesels, correct?
04:48:40.240 --> 04:48:41.073
Correct.
04:48:43.990 --> 04:48:48.990
And I know you mentioned
Laurie, that you really,
04:48:49.190 --> 04:48:51.080
some of the new
weather stations you had.
04:48:51.080 --> 04:48:53.580
And the sectionalizing
that you've been able to do
04:48:56.794 --> 04:48:57.710
was seen as very helpful.
04:48:57.710 --> 04:49:01.770
I'm sure we'll get the,
after you, the hotwash,
04:49:01.770 --> 04:49:03.430
I'm sure that Rachel
04:49:04.402 --> 04:49:09.130
and the SCD team will
receive your after action report.
04:49:09.130 --> 04:49:12.770
So we look forward to really seeing
04:49:12.770 --> 04:49:15.830
whether additional weather stations
04:49:15.830 --> 04:49:18.540
and your predictive modeling,
04:49:18.540 --> 04:49:21.740
as well as some of the
things that are really working
04:49:21.740 --> 04:49:24.670
to your circuits, the sectionalizing,
04:49:24.670 --> 04:49:29.370
how much they have
really improved your...
04:49:32.082 --> 04:49:34.870
I guess it's your goal
to have shorter length.
04:49:35.791 --> 04:49:36.891
I forget your three...
04:49:38.653 --> 04:49:40.640
I won't call it a slogan,
that sounds negative.
04:49:40.640 --> 04:49:45.570
But your goal to make it
smaller, less and so forth.
04:49:45.570 --> 04:49:49.930
And I just hopeful of
seeing some actual backup
04:49:49.930 --> 04:49:53.109
and data on the things
that you have done
04:49:53.109 --> 04:49:55.370
to your system from an
operational perspective
04:49:55.370 --> 04:49:57.530
that has made those changes
04:49:57.530 --> 04:49:59.550
and that those are meeting those goals.
04:50:00.790 --> 04:50:04.100
I think as Michael
presented back in August,
04:50:04.100 --> 04:50:08.150
we're referring to that as
smarter, shorter, smaller,
04:50:08.150 --> 04:50:10.170
shorter, smarter.
04:50:10.170 --> 04:50:12.400
And yes, we'll have all that documented
04:50:13.916 --> 04:50:14.900
in our after action reviews,
04:50:14.900 --> 04:50:16.720
as well as in our 10 day report.
04:50:16.720 --> 04:50:19.340
We're looking forward to that as well.
04:50:19.340 --> 04:50:20.420
Yes, I'm sure you are.
04:50:20.420 --> 04:50:21.253
Thank you.
04:50:21.253 --> 04:50:22.560
I'm sure all of you are.
04:50:22.560 --> 04:50:24.770
So that after action
reports are critical.
04:50:25.640 --> 04:50:27.270
Any other questions of P...
04:50:27.270 --> 04:50:28.770
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma.
04:50:31.780 --> 04:50:32.630
Yes, thank you.
04:50:34.330 --> 04:50:37.510
So again, for all three utilities,
04:50:37.510 --> 04:50:40.510
I appreciate that you
are working closely
04:50:40.510 --> 04:50:45.280
with the access and
functional needs stakeholders.
04:50:46.150 --> 04:50:49.610
And for PG&E in your
letter, you talk about,
04:50:50.823 --> 04:50:51.970
and Laurie, you talked about the center
04:50:51.970 --> 04:50:55.500
for independent learning partnership.
04:50:55.500 --> 04:50:59.250
And so my question is simply,
you have an advisory group
04:50:59.250 --> 04:51:01.690
called the people with disabilities
04:51:01.690 --> 04:51:03.980
and aging advisory council.
04:51:03.980 --> 04:51:06.580
And so after you've done
your hotwash and so forth,
04:51:06.580 --> 04:51:08.870
are you going to be circling back around
04:51:08.870 --> 04:51:13.450
to these advisory groups and
potentially to the customers
04:51:13.450 --> 04:51:17.340
sort of like to find out about
the customer experience
04:51:18.226 --> 04:51:21.230
and about any kinds of
lessons learned towards,
04:51:22.413 --> 04:51:25.313
to take as all of you have
said, to do things even better.
04:51:28.410 --> 04:51:32.780
Absolutely, we will be
including them for feedback.
04:51:32.780 --> 04:51:34.910
As I think we mentioned in August,
04:51:34.910 --> 04:51:37.560
we were getting ready
to do our third drill,
04:51:37.560 --> 04:51:40.140
and we have been including
our advisory councils
04:51:40.140 --> 04:51:43.740
in as well, both as
participants and observers.
04:51:43.740 --> 04:51:46.750
So we're anxious to spend time with them
04:51:46.750 --> 04:51:50.420
through the hotwash,
to get feedback, input,
04:51:50.420 --> 04:51:52.820
and understand where
we can really improve.
04:51:52.820 --> 04:51:55.480
We also wanna leverage
the really good work
04:51:55.480 --> 04:51:59.250
that Mike and team, and
certainly Scott and team have done
04:51:59.250 --> 04:52:02.370
so that we can leverage best practices
04:52:02.370 --> 04:52:05.720
really across the utilities as well.
04:52:05.720 --> 04:52:08.020
But we'll be getting that feedback
04:52:08.020 --> 04:52:10.820
and certainly looking for
direct feedback from customers.
04:52:10.820 --> 04:52:15.060
I would offer that
this was the first time
04:52:15.060 --> 04:52:19.450
we've gotten actually
positive comments from tribes,
04:52:19.450 --> 04:52:21.650
we've gotten positive
comments on the website
04:52:21.650 --> 04:52:24.610
and really a positive
response from customers.
04:52:24.610 --> 04:52:27.610
I know there will be
negative comments as well
04:52:27.610 --> 04:52:30.000
because certainly being out of power
04:52:30.000 --> 04:52:31.970
is a grave inconvenience.
04:52:31.970 --> 04:52:35.880
But it's reaffirmed the
fact that we're making
04:52:35.880 --> 04:52:38.840
the right improvements,
we're never going to be done,
04:52:38.840 --> 04:52:40.850
we're going to have to
continue to be diligent
04:52:40.850 --> 04:52:44.100
in focusing on really minimizing impact
04:52:44.100 --> 04:52:45.410
and supporting customers.
04:52:45.410 --> 04:52:50.410
But I think this event
really has helped to give us
04:52:50.440 --> 04:52:53.500
some confidence that we're
headed in the right direction,
04:52:53.500 --> 04:52:55.110
but much more work to do.
04:52:56.650 --> 04:52:58.700
Commissioner Shiroma,
you also asked a question
04:52:58.700 --> 04:53:01.940
about food banks when
I presented in August,
04:53:01.940 --> 04:53:05.420
and I mentioned that we've
established partnerships
04:53:05.420 --> 04:53:08.490
with the food banks to
provide meal replacement
04:53:08.490 --> 04:53:10.680
for vulnerable customers
and vulnerable families,
04:53:10.680 --> 04:53:12.810
as well as meals on wheels.
04:53:12.810 --> 04:53:17.170
We were also able to provide
backup battery generation
04:53:17.170 --> 04:53:19.380
for food bank in Nevada County.
04:53:19.380 --> 04:53:22.790
And it's a model we
think that we can replicate
04:53:22.790 --> 04:53:26.630
as we have these events going forward.
04:53:26.630 --> 04:53:29.190
But that enabled that
food bank to continue
04:53:29.190 --> 04:53:32.860
to operate in the County
and support our customers
04:53:32.860 --> 04:53:33.910
in that area.
04:53:33.910 --> 04:53:36.920
So you'd ask the question I
wanted to follow up from August
04:53:36.920 --> 04:53:38.920
and we're gonna continue to focus there.
04:53:39.760 --> 04:53:40.593
Thank you.
04:53:40.593 --> 04:53:42.290
If I can also want to say again, you'll,
04:53:43.530 --> 04:53:48.530
I mean, anecdotally, I would
say observing what happened
04:53:49.370 --> 04:53:53.310
last year versus what
happened this year for PG&E,
04:53:53.310 --> 04:53:56.960
they did very, very big differences.
04:53:56.960 --> 04:54:01.600
And I did catch one of your
live YouTube presentation.
04:54:03.557 --> 04:54:06.920
I think the first one, the
first 6:00 p.m. telecast.
04:54:06.920 --> 04:54:11.110
And I thought that and
providing information for the public
04:54:11.110 --> 04:54:14.690
and then allowing for
questions from the press
04:54:16.402 --> 04:54:20.312
was really good just towards
providing a holistic view
04:54:20.312 --> 04:54:21.250
of things.
04:54:22.200 --> 04:54:26.440
And then Rachel, thank you
for arranging for many of us
04:54:26.440 --> 04:54:31.170
to participate in some
of the tabletop exercises
04:54:31.170 --> 04:54:36.080
with the utilities to
see what did the virtual
04:54:36.080 --> 04:54:40.130
operations centers look
like through their practice run
04:54:40.130 --> 04:54:42.680
to help that was very, very important.
04:54:42.680 --> 04:54:43.980
Anyway, thank you, Laurie.
04:54:46.370 --> 04:54:47.750
Thank you.
04:54:47.750 --> 04:54:49.790
Are there any further
questions of Laurie
04:54:49.790 --> 04:54:52.240
or Scott or Mike at this time?
04:54:54.930 --> 04:54:56.850
This has been extremely helpful.
04:54:56.850 --> 04:55:00.760
Rachel, thank you so
much for organizing this
04:55:00.760 --> 04:55:03.950
along with every other
ball you had in the air
04:55:03.950 --> 04:55:06.930
over the last 72 plus hours.
04:55:07.790 --> 04:55:09.810
As you said, Laurie, the weeks and days
04:55:09.810 --> 04:55:12.690
seem to definitely run
together these days.
04:55:12.690 --> 04:55:15.040
So I appreciate the time,
I know you all have had
04:55:15.040 --> 04:55:18.900
your hands full and that of your staff,
04:55:18.900 --> 04:55:22.860
just as we in the last many days.
04:55:22.860 --> 04:55:25.540
So I know that this is
probably a bit of a stretch
04:55:25.540 --> 04:55:29.350
to report today, but I think
it was critical for our public,
04:55:29.350 --> 04:55:33.770
your customers to hear all
the things that you are doing.
04:55:33.770 --> 04:55:36.920
You've done things that
you know you still need
04:55:36.920 --> 04:55:39.350
to improve upon and
learn from each other
04:55:39.350 --> 04:55:42.090
and learn from other States, et cetera.
04:55:42.090 --> 04:55:46.020
So I appreciate the report
and we do look forward
04:55:46.020 --> 04:55:47.770
to the after action reports.
04:55:47.770 --> 04:55:49.040
We will hear from the public,
04:55:49.040 --> 04:55:51.630
they will be encouraged by that.
04:55:51.630 --> 04:55:53.230
There may be some lessons learned
04:55:53.230 --> 04:55:54.970
that we hear from the public
04:55:56.010 --> 04:55:57.760
that we can share with you as well.
04:55:58.840 --> 04:56:01.380
So was that Rachel,
I'll return it back to you.
04:56:03.890 --> 04:56:08.410
I only want to add my
thanks to Scott, Mike, Laurie,
04:56:08.410 --> 04:56:11.320
and Aaron for taking
the time to brief us,
04:56:11.320 --> 04:56:13.000
to brief the Commissioners.
04:56:13.000 --> 04:56:14.770
And me, I learned, even though I was
04:56:14.770 --> 04:56:16.040
on many of your briefing calls,
04:56:16.040 --> 04:56:18.990
I learned some more detail
today, so that was very helpful.
04:56:20.241 --> 04:56:23.070
And really it was very
rapid turnaround requests.
04:56:23.070 --> 04:56:25.620
I made this request to
them midday Tuesday.
04:56:25.620 --> 04:56:26.570
So thank you again.
04:56:26.570 --> 04:56:29.430
I know your emergency
ops centers are still
04:56:29.430 --> 04:56:31.310
in activated mode,
04:56:31.310 --> 04:56:33.610
so I very much appreciate
the time you took
04:56:33.610 --> 04:56:35.440
to brief the Commission today.
04:56:35.440 --> 04:56:36.840
That's all President Batjer.
04:56:38.240 --> 04:56:41.590
Okay, thank you all very much.
04:56:41.590 --> 04:56:42.423
Thank you.
04:56:42.423 --> 04:56:43.480
Thank you.
04:56:43.480 --> 04:56:44.430
Thank you.
04:56:45.330 --> 04:56:46.163
Thank you.
04:56:48.800 --> 04:56:53.090
We will be moving on with
our Commissioner reports.
04:56:55.404 --> 04:56:56.690
Who would like to go first.
04:56:59.390 --> 04:57:01.540
Yes, Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
04:57:03.650 --> 04:57:06.600
Okay, I'll be very brief.
04:57:06.600 --> 04:57:09.670
I just wanted to highlight two
workshops that are coming up,
04:57:09.670 --> 04:57:13.330
that I would really invite
you to participate in.
04:57:13.330 --> 04:57:16.590
The first is a proposal that I mentioned
04:57:16.590 --> 04:57:17.760
last voting meeting.
04:57:17.760 --> 04:57:21.030
I put out in relation
to the consumer fraud
04:57:21.030 --> 04:57:24.430
within the net energy metering program,
04:57:24.430 --> 04:57:26.720
the solar consumer fraud program,
04:57:26.720 --> 04:57:29.480
and a proposal for a recovery fund.
04:57:31.440 --> 04:57:35.710
We have been working with
our state agency partners,
04:57:35.710 --> 04:57:37.660
contractors, state licensing board,
04:57:37.660 --> 04:57:39.870
and department of business oversight.
04:57:39.870 --> 04:57:43.660
We'll be holding a workshop
on September 22nd,
04:57:43.660 --> 04:57:45.370
Tuesday, September 22nd.
04:57:45.370 --> 04:57:48.400
And of course you can
check in with energy division,
04:57:48.400 --> 04:57:53.130
on any details, but I invite
you all to participate in that.
04:57:54.270 --> 04:57:57.550
And secondly, frontier, as you know,
04:57:57.550 --> 04:58:02.550
earlier this year filed for
bankruptcy and the Commission
04:58:03.280 --> 04:58:06.700
has received that
restructuring application.
04:58:06.700 --> 04:58:09.690
And I will skip all the details
I was gonna share with you
04:58:09.690 --> 04:58:11.170
on the update on that,
04:58:11.170 --> 04:58:13.860
but just to Mark your
calendars for a workshop
04:58:13.860 --> 04:58:16.780
on the 7th of October.
04:58:16.780 --> 04:58:21.780
And this will be both have a
morning and afternoon sessions,
04:58:22.810 --> 04:58:24.910
we'll have two folks
from local government,
04:58:24.910 --> 04:58:27.770
tribal government and
sharing their experiences
04:58:27.770 --> 04:58:30.250
and their visions, and
we'll have a panel of experts
04:58:30.250 --> 04:58:34.150
as well and of course,
public comment period.
04:58:34.150 --> 04:58:38.100
So hopefully you can join
me for that workshop as well
04:58:38.100 --> 04:58:39.600
on October 7th.
04:58:39.600 --> 04:58:40.433
Thank you.
04:58:50.980 --> 04:58:52.590
Sorry, he was muted.
04:58:52.590 --> 04:58:54.350
Commissioner Shiroma, please.
04:58:54.350 --> 04:58:55.728
Sorry.
04:58:55.728 --> 04:58:56.561
Okay, thank you.
04:58:56.561 --> 04:59:00.140
Also brief, just wanted to
report out on September 3rd,
04:59:00.140 --> 04:59:05.110
judge Newsome and I held
two public participation hearings
04:59:05.110 --> 04:59:07.280
for the suburban water companies,
04:59:07.280 --> 04:59:09.090
a proposed general rate case.
04:59:09.960 --> 04:59:14.960
And we had once again, good attendance.
04:59:15.160 --> 04:59:18.290
These virtual public
participation hearings
04:59:18.290 --> 04:59:21.500
are allowing for, I think more people,
04:59:21.500 --> 04:59:25.170
more customers to participate
04:59:25.170 --> 04:59:30.170
and we receive a
presentation from the utility.
04:59:33.070 --> 04:59:37.970
Also we'll receive a presentation
from our California public
04:59:37.970 --> 04:59:38.970
advocate's office.
04:59:40.180 --> 04:59:44.573
And this time around,
we had 35 participants
04:59:46.730 --> 04:59:49.540
at the 1:00 p.m session and 10 speakers.
04:59:49.540 --> 04:59:53.920
We had 29 online for the
6:00 p.m and nine speakers,
04:59:53.920 --> 04:59:57.620
including some Spanish translation.
04:59:57.620 --> 05:00:00.150
And I think it's continues
to be very important
05:00:00.150 --> 05:00:03.900
that we provide for these
opportunities for customers.
05:00:03.900 --> 05:00:08.660
Sometimes we've had more
speakers, sometimes less.
05:00:08.660 --> 05:00:11.420
All of it is very important
for not providing
05:00:11.420 --> 05:00:14.650
for an opportunity for
customers to call in.
05:00:14.650 --> 05:00:18.380
And then I want to highlight
that we have our low income
05:00:18.380 --> 05:00:21.460
oversight board meeting
coming up on September 17th.
05:00:21.460 --> 05:00:22.490
It'll be on WebEx.
05:00:24.879 --> 05:00:27.570
We're gonna be
featuring our sister agency,
05:00:27.570 --> 05:00:29.930
the California conservation Corp.
05:00:29.930 --> 05:00:33.460
We'll hear from Bruce
Cyto the executive director
05:00:33.460 --> 05:00:35.470
about the work that they're
doing, the energy efficiency.
05:00:35.470 --> 05:00:40.156
And also by the way, the
California conservation Corp
05:00:40.156 --> 05:00:45.060
has 17 firefighting work
crews and they are out.
05:00:46.470 --> 05:00:51.100
They're helping Cal
Fire and the forest service
05:00:51.100 --> 05:00:52.570
in fighting fires.
05:00:53.450 --> 05:00:57.781
And then on Tuesday,
September 22nd at 1:00 p.m,
05:00:57.781 --> 05:01:01.500
we'll be holding our universal
lifeline telephone service
05:01:01.500 --> 05:01:02.660
administrative committee.
05:01:02.660 --> 05:01:06.742
And they are the advisory
committee on the lifeline program.
05:01:06.742 --> 05:01:10.580
And we'll be hearing about
the kickoff of the efforts
05:01:10.580 --> 05:01:15.580
by university of California
at SAC state on acquired
05:01:18.240 --> 05:01:21.320
assessment of the
effectiveness of the program.
05:01:21.320 --> 05:01:25.440
And then the advisor committee
will also be talking about
05:01:25.440 --> 05:01:28.880
what kinds of things will be
going into their annual report,
05:01:28.880 --> 05:01:32.160
in terms of advising, the Commission.
05:01:32.160 --> 05:01:32.993
Thank you
05:01:39.320 --> 05:01:43.340
There you go on mute again,
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
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Next Friday, the 18th, the
disadvantaged advisory group
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is going to be having one
of their quarterly meetings
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over their monthly meetings.
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And part of the agenda
will be a discussion
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of transportation
electrification priorities,
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both by at the energy
Commission and the PUC.
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So people are welcome to join that.
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I know it's late and a great
deal has been said already.
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And I don't wanna be labor
what's been said very much.
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But I do wanna echo my
thanks for the program yesterday
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and all the remarks about San Bruno.
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I wanna thank in particular,
you President Batjer,
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conditional Randolph, Rachel, Pearson,
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Wendy Allen (distorted
sound) David and Shuki
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and entire team for their
very deeply moving remarks.
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Karen's I hope you don't
mind me quoting you.
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You said something very, very profound.
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You said hope doesn't prevent
tragedies, but action does.
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And I wasn't at the PUC in 2010,
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but I've heard that as a
described as a watershed moment
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for the agency.
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And I think we have done quite a bit.
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We see that in many
efforts that President Batjer
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just mentioned today and others,
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and I'm privileged to be the lead
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on the risk mitigation safety policy
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that was born out of San Bruno.
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I think that's one of
the very tangible things
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that's really helped us move forward.
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And I think we're trying to do it.
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And we got great advice from
Senator Hill today who said,
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we need to do that
with humility and gravity.
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I think that's very, very profound.
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And just on the fires, again,
an extraordinary amount's
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been said and I don't need to be labor
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how remarkable the
efforts to conserve water
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and the response was
across the board in California.
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We are suffering from
unprecedented challenges.
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I think this is a true sign to come
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that the extent of the fires
is not limited to California.
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We're seeing in Oregon,
the fires behave in ways
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that define modeling,
just like they do here.
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Earlier this week,
Portland gas and general,
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Portland gas and electric, excuse me,
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instituted a PSPS
there for the first time.
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Governor Kate Brown said
that thousands of homes
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are affected entire
communities maybe lost.
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And she was worried
that the loss of life
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may be the greatest of any
wildfire on record in Oregon.
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I participated in the discussion
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with other Western public
service Commissioners
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earlier this week and had been touched
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with some of the Oregon
public utilities Commission.
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We are all in this boat together
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and the impacts of climate change
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continue to defy predictions.
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As Governor Newsome
said, there's no patients,
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no time for climate deniers.
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This is happening right now
at an unprecedented rate.
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And we are taught so with
our colleagues elsewhere
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in the Western.
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We stand ready to support
them in any way we can.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
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Any other comments?
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I'll just make very quickly
cause it is late in our day.
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I want to say that it was
really an extraordinary,
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as you just said, Cliff, that
the customers, the public,
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both residential commercial, industrial,
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the customers for electricity
responded incredibly well
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to the need to cut
their demand of energy.
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And as a result, their
fellow Californians
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were not put in the dark.
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And it was really extraordinary
to see the demand curve
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begin to flatten and
begin to flatten quickly.
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And we still have a
lot of reviewed to do,
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our own after action reports
to be done by both Cal ISO,
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CEC, California energy
Commission and the PUC.
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But it really gives you great heart
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that folks do really
realize how important it is
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to sacrifice a bit for the greater good.
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And without that, we
would have really had
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some devastating impacts
in terms of power being cut off
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in these rolling blocks.
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And I also wanna, again,
thank Commissioner Randolph
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for all of her great partnership with me
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over these few days.
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And Commissioner Rechtschaffen
is my partner on PSPS.
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So thank you both very much.
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You kept me straight
and you kept me on track
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and I greatly appreciate it.
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So thank you.
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Okay, with that, the
public meeting is adjourned.
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Thank you all.