-: Thank you, operator.
Good morning, everyone.
We need to establish a quorum.
Agenda clerk, can you please call the roll.
Clerk: Commissioner Shiroma.
-: Present.
Clerk: Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
-: Here.
Clerk: Commissioner Randolph.
-: Here.
Clerk: Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
-: Present.
Clerk: President Batjer.
-: Here.
We have established quorum.
Welcome to the California Public Utilities Commission.
I'm calling this meeting of, August 17th, 2020,
public agenda number 3467 to order.
Due to the Coroner Virus pandemic,
and the Shelter in Place order,
we're conducting today's business meeting
online and by remote participation.
The meeting is live streamed on the CPUC's website.
You can view the meeting at
www.adminmonitor.com/ca/cpuc.
Adminmonitor is one word.
A-D-M-I-N-M-O-N-I-T-O-R.
As we are all aware,
unexpected power supply interruptions
and high demand during this past weekend
of record breaking high temperatures
resulted in the California Independent System Operator
initiating rotating outages across the state,
causing tens of thousands of Californians
to lose power on Friday and Saturday evenings.
The CUPC is continuing to actively
monitor the changing conditions that have led to
the rotating power outages this weekend.
We were working very closely
and coordinate coordinating with CAISO,
the Governor's office of emergency services,
the California Energy Commission, and others
to ensure that we maintain focus on the public safety
and emphasize the importance of energy conservation
to reduce the strain on the electric supply
that can lead to rotating power outages
during stage three emergencies.
With several more days of
record high temperatures forecasted,
and the added challenges of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic,
we must do everything we can to support efforts
to ensure the reliable operation of our electricity grid.
The importance of voluntary energy conservation
has never been greater.
We are asking all Californians to do
your part in reducing energy usage,
health permitting, and to the extent you're able to
safely and comfortably do so,
please, please take action to do the following.
Keep your lights off to the extent safely possible,
including exterior lights that may be on a timer.
Set your thermostat to 78 degrees or higher,
and turn your air conditioner off when not at home.
Move any furniture blocking vents
to be sure air is flowing efficiently.
Charge your laptop and cell phone
before 3:00 PM or after 10:00 PM.
Hang dry your clothes instead of using your dryer.
Unplug energy vampires when not in use,
such as televisions, game console,
and standby coffee makers.
And your cell phone plugs.
Use a fan instead of your air conditioner.
Cover your windows to keep sunlight from heating your home.
Cook using your stove, microwave,
or outside grill instead of your oven.
Limit opening your refrigerator and your freezer.
These are critical things that we all must do
to weather this difficult weather and to protect
our fellow Californians from rolling blackouts.
Please everyone, conserve, conserve, conserve.
Moving onto the public comment section of our agenda.
Public engagement is critical to the CPUC process.
If you wish to make a public comment,
dial into 8008571917,
and enter passcode,
9899501,
and press, star one.
You will be placed into a queue,
and the operator will take your name and organization.
You will be called upon to speak
when you get to the public comment period in today's agenda.
Email comments received will be distributed
to the Commissioners and senior management.
CPUC rules do not allow for parties in proceedings
to speak about the open proceedings.
The public can make comments addressing items
on the consent and regular agendas,
and including items not on the agenda today.
Please note, there will not be public comment
on any item on the closed session agenda.
You will have two minutes to speak.
With that guidance in mind,
I welcome today's speakers.
I will now turn to the operator
to open the public comment telephone lines.
Operator?
Operator: The first comment is from Alern Delil,
your line is now open.
Alern: Hello? Can you hear me?
-: Yes, we can Miss Delil.
Yes, we can hear you.
Alern: Thank you so much for this opportunity
to address the Commission.
I would just give you a quick note,
I hope this doesn't count on my time,
because as of 10 o'clock last night,
your calendar did not show a meeting today.
There was a brief message that item one,
whatever that is, would be on hold
if you went to another part of the website.
So it was very confusing to even know
if there was a meeting today.
I want to address the Commissioners,
and thank you for the work you've been doing.
And also to say that I'm speaking on behalf of
people who have wanted to thank
the Executive Director, Alice Stebbins,
for her work on behalf of people with disabilities.
As you know, power outages, put people with disabilities
at huge risk of damage are even loss of life.
And so we have been asking Miss Stebbins
to please ask if the utilities take
remediative measures to make sure that
these power outages do not endanger people.
And we've asked for assistance in buying
battery backup systems, which have not happened.
We found out that the SGIP,
which is supposed to be a grant program,
requires the expenditure of thousands of dollars upfront.
One vendor told me that I might get 80% back,
but it would take over a year.
And the problem is that most people with disabilities
don't have thousands of dollars lying around,
even though this is a critical issue for us.
So we're asking the public utilities Commissioners
to make sure that these utilities that cut off our power
have a way for us to prepare for their power outages.
So far, there is no way to do that.
And so on behalf of the people that
I'm going to name to you,
we wanna thank Miss Stebbins
for all of her work on our behalf
and hope that she can continue to represent us.
I'm speaking on behalf of
Simitre Joy, Catherine Campeasey, Carlos Benavides,
Donna Kalama JD, Eugene Losano jr,
Julie and Marie Ciacone,
Megan Grenada, ADRC program manager,
Kisia Weller, Phills Divers,
Diana Rattly, and Paulette Profoconti.
Veda Florez,
president, League of Women Voters of Napa County.
Alice Brown, Robert Parks,
Lily Beth Navarro, CALIF Executive Director.
Pillar Cole, Michael Levinson, Daily City.
Susan Chandler,
Member of California for Disability Rights,
and ex-President.
Tara Heirs, Gare Rial.
Mario Jenison, Janie Whiteford, Cindy Jones,
Yu Chen Lynn, Eric Satamere,
Judy Lan Duba, Walt Duba,
Janet Renison, David Klingerman,
Charles Beams, Don Carney,
Carol Brock Cole, Maryland Golden, Kim Letrup,
Ralph Black, Grace Lyn,
Young Yang Lyn,
Claude Everett,
Niel Jacobson, Kim Letrup, Mark Hall, Cindy Soto,
Marine Donahoe, Adrian Lobby, Janis Santos,
Carol Stockton, Roger Stratton, Alice Marinos.
President for California for Disability Rights,
Kathleen Barahas.
Shira Leader, Ruthie Goldcon,
Richard Daggett, president Polio Survivors Association.
Janet Renison, David Klingerman, Charles Beem,
Don Carney, Carol Brock, Marilyn Golden,
Kim Letrop, Ralph Black.
Hello?
What is going on?
Hello?
What is going on please?
I'm trying to read this list.
Hello?
I don't understand what's going on.
-: Janet?
-: Hello?
Hello?
What is going on?
What is going on, please?
I'm trying to read this list.
Hello?
I don't understand what's happening.
-: President Batjer, I think it's repeating
happening in our speakers.
-: Okay.
Can the operator hear me?
-: It sound like the voice got trapped in a loop, somehow.
-: Yeah, can the operator hear me?
Robert, are you on the line?
Operator: Hello? Yes, I can hear you.
-: We had real difficulties with the last caller.
It sounded like there were two or three people
on the line with her.
I'm not sure she could hear her warning bell
at the three minute time period also.
Excuse me, at the two minute time period.
So anyway, I'm sorry to Miss Delil, what happened.
I'm not sure of the technical difficulties,
it sounded like you had multiple people
and you continue to read the same names.
I don't understand what happened.
So operator, can you bring on the next caller?
Operator: The next caller is Michael Peck.
Your line is now open.
Michael: Thank you so much for your time this morning.
I'm a Los Angeles Department of Water and Power rate payer.
And I've got an interesting idea where I think
with the help of this Commission, LADWP,
and the state as a whole can accelerate
our conversion to green power
in a way that I think is better for all rate payers.
I'm on a residential solar, generator,
and with LEDWP they have two systems, right?
They have a feeding tariff system
that only applies to generators
as little as 30 kilowatt hours of capacity.
Which I know we're getting kind of wonky here,
but that's much too big for really any residential producer.
Pretty much taking residential producers
out of the feeding tariff program.
Second program they have is a net metering program.
But with that producers that produce
excess amounts of energy throughout the whole year,
they bank their credits in a net metering bank
that they have no recourse actually
to be able to pull any money out of that system.
So, I'll produce power,
for example, with my system,
because I maxed out my installation on my roof
thinking that that was the
greenest and most efficient thing to do
at the time of installation.
But if I remove all of those net metering credits
that I've banked over years can get lost,
basically forfeiting that to LADWP.
Of course, as an individual I'd like to see
my investment do the best they can.
But I think this issue of course is much larger
than my individual problem.
Because of this, installers and purchasers
of home solar systems
are dis-incentivized to max out their installations.
And their incentive is to only build
just as large as they could possibly use.
And so in this way, I think LADWP
is dis-incentivizing as much residential solar
as they could possibly be building.
And in effect stealing any additional power
that these residential solar generators create.
I'd like to see a system where
residential solar generators could buy back
or pull out cash from their net metering banks
at a rate below wholesale rates,
but still at a significant rate
so that they would get some sort of financial benefits
for the excess power they generate.
Thereby making it advantageous for LADWP
to encourage residential solar
because of course they would get that power generation
at a lower than wholesale rate.
But still give some benefits to
residential solar customers for installing systems
that properly utilize the full capacity of
their roof or residential space.
So thank you very much for you hearing this out.
Hopefully, you can kind of
oversee the scope of this issue,
that it's of course beyond just my sort of personal issue.
But given that we're at a the cost of California
over a million solar roofs in the state and growing rapidly,
and particularly today with rates as low as they are,
and it's being as easy as ever
for people to install solar on their rooftops.
This to me seems like a really solid win-win
for rate payers overall,
whose rates should go down as a whole,
as more cheap residential solar comes onto the system.
As well as DWP getting more of their green targets
established faster as solar installations accelerate.
And hopefully this same situation applies across the state.
It's really difficult to find information
on how other utilities across the state handle net metering.
LADWP of courses is huge,
but hopefully this has broader implications
for the Commission as a whole.
Thanks for your time.
-: Thank you.
Thank you.
Operator, the next caller, please.
Operator: The next caller is
Connie Arnold, disability rights activists.
Your line is now open.
Connie: Hi, good morning.
Thank you for letting me speak.
I'm calling, basically, I support
Alice Stebbins and her staff who've been working
to develop real mitigation measures that have protected
and work to protect vulnerable seniors
and people with disabilities from
the dangerous effects of electric utility, de-energization.
And we really can't afford to change
a good person in management in the middle of this process.
And I'm reminded of that old saying,
don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Which means don't fire Miss Stebbins,
who has been working on behalf of rate payers,
and those members in the community
who are part of the wider disproportionately impacted
senior and persons with disabilities negatively impacted
during electric utility de-energization events,
PSPS events, and sudden OES initiated
brownouts and blackouts that just happened
across the state without warning and little notice at all
to the disability community or in senior community.
The role of the Commission is to conduct
fair and ethical proper oversight
of private for profit utilities,
and hold them accountable in the public,
not personal interests.
In the public interest,
you should not even consider firing Alice Stebbins,
given the amount of media and press on the co-mingling
of past and present special interest matters
by the dysfunctional CPUC.
It would appear that any firing of Alice Stebbins
to me is likely personal, part of dirty politics,
and would just be part of
the longterm dysfunction of the PUC
and their compromised acceptance
and intermingling with utility lobbyists,
which itself should be what needs
investigation, auditing, and correction
for the benefit of the public.
Getting money out of politics is a bigger goal.
And either that, or some means of restoring
the public interest trust,
which Miss Stebbins efforts have finally worked towards.
It appears the Commission has an ax to grind
when it was Miss Alice Stebbins that found
millions in money owed to the state by utilities.
Maybe the real reason anyone would want
to fire Miss Stebbins is they are trying to protect
those moneyed interests from paying up
what they owe the state of California,
or from further audits.
Because rather than protecting
the public interest of Californians,
they really have something to gain by protecting
the electric utility companies and moneyed interests,
rather than a good public official like Alice Stebbins,
Executive Director of the CPUC,
who is viewed as getting in the way of
free gifts lobbyist bringing to the Commissioner's table,
personal or campaign coffers or travel in some way
like those compromised at the past Maui event,
while California was on fire and people burned to death.
I read on the website, the role of the CPUC,
its role and responsibilities are to regulate
privately owned electric, natural gas,
telecommunications, and other things.
And that five Governor appointed Commissioners
are dedicated to ensuring consumers have
safe, reliable utility service at reasonable rates,
protecting against fraud and promoting
the health of California's economy.
It reminds me of another saying about
the fox guarding the hen house,
or goose that laid the golden egg.
Firing Alice Stebbins is not in the public interest.
And I think it's time that the CPUC uphold
its values of accountability, excellence, integrity,
open communication stewardship,
and please do not fire Miss Stebbins
who has operated in the public interest
of all California rate payers,
including vulnerable seniors and persons with disabilities
within those core CUPC values.
I'm not telling you what to do on any other matter
of warning or discipline about a disputed hiring issue,
but do not fire Miss Stebbins who operates
within the public interest.
Thank you.
-: Thank you Miss Arnold.
Operator, the next caller, please.
Operator: The next caller is
Richard Skaff, from Designing Accessible Communities.
Your line is now open.
Richard: Thank you, and good morning,
president Batjer and members of the Commission.
I want to first ask,
and I don't want this to be part of my two or three minutes,
whichever you're allowing.
I want clarification of today's meeting.
Has, as your Deputy Director Soul Gomez informed me,
that item been removed from today's meeting?
I'd like an answer before I continue.
It has been removed?
-: Yes, it has. Richard: Thank you.
I also don't agree with any possible suggestion
that Miss Stebbins should be removed
from her position as Executive Director.
But I have other things I wanna talk about also,
president Batjer.
Your opening statement, that the CPUC is closely watching
both the CAISO,
the California...
What is it? My goodness.
California Independent System Operator,
and the electric utilities.
If that were the case president Batjer,
on Friday when the "rolling blackout" started,
it would have been in my area in Greenville
probably an hour or so,
and then we would have had our electricity restored.
We didn't have any electricity until 11:00 PM that night.
Five hours without electricity.
And interestingly enough, I don't understand how the CPUC
can be watching over those folks
when I get a notice the next day from PG&E saying,
Oh, we didn't have to notice you
because the rolling brownout is not a PSPS.
Well for those people in California,
that depend on consistent electricity, president Batjer,
it didn't make any difference on Friday
when that electricity went out, not as a rolling blackout,
but as a complete blackout for five hours.
Where was the oversight at that time?
I called numerous people to find out what PG&E was...
Because we had no notice.
What PG&E and others were gonna be doing about this?
Local fire departments.
The Fire Chief for Sonoma County Fire,
didn't know that there was gonna be a brownout,
or that there was actually a brownout
that we were experiencing.
A couple of other things,
besides the fact that there was no notification
and PG&E doesn't think it had to give us any notification.
And that brings up another issue about the CAISO.
What does the Commission do to oversee that body
to determine whether they have a policy?
Do they have a policy that they have to notify people
that there's going to be a brownout?
I don't believe so.
I'm gonna be calling them today
and talking to their management to find out.
But I want to know why your agency, president Batjer,
hasn't determined whether they have
appropriate and necessary policies about that.
Let's see.
I also am concerned, and I believe everybody today will,
mostly everybody, will talk about the $200 million
that Miss Stebbins and her staff have found.
I think it needs, it requires that the CPUC be audited.
I can't understand how $200 million
could not have been collected by the CPUC
since, what was it, 2014.
This is outrageous.
What are you doing to protect the rate payers in California,
including vulnerable seniors and people with disabilities?
So, president Batjer,
you know us.
We've spent years talking with you
at the California Building Standards Commission,
unsuccessfully, I might say.
I really wanna know why,
because I've worked in a public entity.
Your suggestion that Miss Stebbins should be fired
for inappropriate hiring of employees.
That's not a firing kind of situation.
If she in fact did hire incorrectly
based on the state report,
then sitting down with the president,
and having a discussion,
and putting something in her record,
would have been appropriate.
But to fire an Executive Director that is the only person
that we have been able to have interactions with
that actually resolved a number of problems
facing people with disabilities during power outages,
that's not acceptable.
And if you move forward with that,
at some time in the future,
there will be very clear and obvious repercussions.
I am going to be in touch with the Governor's office
and the state legislature to make sure
that we find out why all this is happening,
and why we are not being protected
when the CAISO calls for the electric utilities
to do rolling brownouts without any notification
to the most vulnerable California residents.
Thank you.
-: Thank you Mr Skaff.
Operator, is there a next caller, please?
Operator: I'm showing no further callers.
-: Okay.
Thank you, operator.
Okay, operator.
Are there any other calls now?
Operator: Yes, it'll just be one moment.
The next caller is Zach Carnizies.
Your line is now open.
Zach: Hi, my name is Zach Carnizies.
Can you all hear me?
-: Yes, we can.
Zach: Hi, my name is Zach Carnizies.
I'm a disability advocate in San Francisco,
and a community organizer.
I am just appalled at the accessibility violations
of trying to get ahold of this meeting.
I was really concerned.
I was about to lose my chance to leave public comment.
I have dialed star one now three times
to get through to this body.
I first of all, want to request
a video recording of the public record of this meeting.
I am a journalist and I am going to be
publishing this meeting.
I am deeply concerned with the
numerous accessibility violations
try to get ahold of this meeting.
The calendar showed an item on the agenda
that has since been removed.
And that calendar I checked on Friday night and on Saturday,
and it still was...
So this was the agenda, that was really hard to find
searching your home page.
The calendar as mentioned by
Hollend Delil, earlier in public comment,
was not updated to reflect
how this meeting was going to be happening today.
The phone system has a complex multi-digit password system,
that was very challenging for me to input.
The call prompt asks for like your organization,
and spelling of your name on the phone,
and all things that are really hard
for disabled people to do.
And I also understand that it's our right
to leave public comment anonymously,
and to be representing ourselves as individuals,
not an organization.
Additionally, the calling system is an English only,
and does not prompt for options of other languages.
Additionally, this video stream that I'm watching right now
is not closed captioned or including options
for those that are deaf or hard of hearing.
The agenda on your website was really hidden.
And this whole process it seems really secretive.
And I'm really concerned that what's going on here
for trying to access this meeting to give public comment
is really linked up with the articles
I've been reading about corruption with this Commission.
There's a really interesting article
in San Francisco Chronicle.
It's one of our largest newspapers.
That says a senior CPUC official
claims she's being ousted after whistle blowing.
And it goes into some really, really
disturbing information about Alice Stebbins
uncovering misappropriation of funds
not being collected from utilities.
And actually talks about this having quite a history
dating back to the 2010 San Bruno explosion
that PG&E caused, which killed eight people.
And PG&E got a little tiny slap on the wrist,
$3 million fine, for killing eight people.
And I'm wondering what this Commission
was doing about that and what they have been doing
about the 2017 and 2018 massive wildfires
that PG&E has caused which have caused
many, many, many deaths.
Hearing from Richard Skaff on this call
and other advocates for our community,
it's deeply disturbing to hear that
these rolling brownouts which fortunately
did not affect me as much in San Francisco,
it sounds like you're not giving notice to people
that these are happening.
When people with disabilities have
a blackout or a brownout, it's significant.
That's our ability to charge our mobility equipment,
our medical aids, run lifesaving medical equipment.
When that stuff gets cut off, we die.
It's not a small thing.
So I'm deeply, deeply disturbed
by the lack of transparency,
the lack of accessibility to the meetings,
on what appears to be some corruption.
Also, your website says the public comment three minutes,
and then now you're saying it's two minutes,
and the agenda says it's two minutes.
There's no consistency with the way that you
run these meetings and how much public comment
you take and how much time we have.
It's extremely confusing, extremely difficult,
and I really, really hope that you can,
if at the very least for the next meeting,
improve some of these accessibility issues
so that all members of the public can have a say,
can have a say anonymously,
can have a say without being tied
to any specific organization,
can have accurate information on your website
that actually lets us know the details and what's happening.
Can have an updated agenda like the business day
before the meeting that actually reflects
what's going to be happening in the meeting.
You know, these are really basic things
that I've never seen it this bad before
and I attend public meetings all the time.
And this has to be the worst public meeting advertising
I've ever seen in my life.
The worst with accessibility.
I'm absolutely appalled that this is how
our California Public Utilities Commission is operating.
I'm deeply concerned with the punishment of a person
who has spoken up for our community, Alice Stebbins.
I'm deeply concerned what's happening there.
And retaliation against a whistleblower
is one of the most undemocratic unjust things
that a public department could possibly do.
It really is bad.
And when there's numerous articles being published
saying that that's what's happening,
I don't think it's just hearsay.
These are reputable news outlets,
and I would not be here if this was just small talk hearsay.
Alice Stebbins has done a great job
supporting the disability community and seniors,
and those who are the most affected by wildfires,
the power shutoffs at wildfires cause.
And let's be real, the wildfires are caused by PGD.
It has been proven.
And I'm concerned that this Commission
is in the pocket of PG&E,
is in the pocket of moneyed interests,
and is not doing their due diligence
to have an unbiased and just oversight
of a clearly corrupt department
that is costing California lives.
I mean lives, we are dying out here.
It is not just, I can't watch YouTube,
or I can't watch Netflix, we are dying.
Please, please hold these departments accountable.
Please keep the staff that has been helpful.
Alice Stebbins has been very helpful.
And please look into some of these issues of corruption
and please make these meetings accessible
to the general public so that we can exercise
our democratic right to leave public comment.
Again, I asked for a video recording of this meeting.
This is for public record,
and I will be contacting your staff for that.
Thank you.
-: Thank you.
Operator, the next caller, please.
Operator: The next caller is David McCord.
Your line is now open.
David: This is David McCord.
And I'm speaking for myself,
I'm a rate payer and El Cerrito.
And I've read that the state personnel and boards report
on the CPUC's hiring practices
and president Batjer's reply.
The description of the examination and hiring process
for a certain hires is complex.
There are uncertainties
as to how the process was carried out.
The board has not proved that the process
was not carried out in good faith.
With these uncertainties I feel it would be premature
to dismiss your Executive Director on these shaky grounds.
Thank you.
-: Thank you, Mr Mccord.
Operator, is there anybody else on the line?
Operator: Yes.
The next caller is Michael Blanquito.
Your line is now open.
Michael: I'm also a rate payer of San Jose water company.
And I'm calling for also calling out
what appears to be corruption.
There was a merger between San Jose water...
Actually, an acquisition between
San Jose Water holding company
and Connecticut Water Services.
We had lobbied local representatives
to get them to require an application for this.
CPUC's general council issued a directive
for an application.
There were closed door meetings.
All of a sudden it turned into an
OYII1807007.
The whole proceeding seemed like it was basically a sham.
And it's real easy to point that
the ALJ's proposed decision was recently issued,
and no protections were provided for Californians
regarding this grossly inflated acquisition.
The acquisition was purportedly 1.1 billion.
There are 626 million mow in SJW groups
income or their financials in non-income producing goodwill.
There's 510 million in debt.
Some of that, the service was just made,
the debt service is just made for Q2 of 2020.
And then San Jose Water recently filed
an application for an additional 350 million
in debt and equity.
And that's a 2004009.
There was no way SJW Group was gonna be able to afford
this acquisition at that price, under these terms.
Nothing was looked at.
Now the proposed decision says,
don't worry about it, everything's fine.
But yet the regulators in Connecticut and Maine
provided all sorts of protections.
And it's 80 different protections for that.
While the OII was ongoing,
the terms of the acquisition changed multiple times,
and during that time there was a discovery motion
during the most recent application
with the regulators in Connecticut and Maine.
At that time, the OII was suspended.
Commissioner Peterman,
who's now working for one of the utilities
that she used to regulate, Southern California Edison.
I don't know what role she had in and suspending that.
But since that suspension,
there hasn't been any decisions on the discovery motions,
or motions from San Jose city who was a party to that.
I was a party and an organization I belong to
was also a party to that.
This sets an alarming precedent and roadmap
for other water utilities to basically
grossly inflate other acquisitions
and lead to the quick privatization of our water supply.
Besides the 510 in new debt,
there was about 430 million in new equity.
And prior to announcing the acquisition,
San Jose or SJW group increased their
dividend payout ratio by about 40%.
There's no way SJW is not going to going to pay
for that unless they're...
-: Operator, is there another caller?
Operator: I'm showing no further callers.
-: Okay.
So, thank you operator.
With no further callers on the line,
the public comment period now is closed.
Thank you.
Item one on the regular agenda has been withdrawn.
There is no consent agenda items,
and there's no management reports.
We are now at the Commission reports on the agenda.
Do any of the Commissioners have a report to make?
Just raise your hand and I'll call on you.
Being none, I can't see
Commissioner Randolph or Commissioner Guzman,
so you'll have to speak up.
Guzman: I have no report, thank you.
-: Okay.
I have no report either.
So with that,
the public portion of this meeting today is now adjourned.
Thank you.
-: Thank you.