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on this day, Thursday, June 11th, 2020.
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We need to establish a quorum,
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will the agenda clerk
please call the roll.
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Commissioner Shiroma?
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Present.
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Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
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Present.
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Commissioner Randolph?
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Present.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
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Present.
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President Batjer?
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Present.
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June 11th, 2020, public
agenda number 3463 to order.
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In March, Governor Gavin
Newsom issued a stay at home order
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to protect the health and
wellbeing of all Californians
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and to establish
consistency across the state
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in order to slow the spread of COVID-19.
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Before getting into the business
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of today's Commission meeting,
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I would like to start
this meeting by reflecting
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on this moment that our
country is experiencing.
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Our communities, our nation,
have been deeply shaken
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by the killings of George Floyd,
Breonna Taylor, Aman Arbery
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and countless other
black lives before them.
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We are coming to the
grips with what happened
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and with what is now happening.
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Their deaths, and the ensuing
protests are a reminder that
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as a society,
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we have failed to address
centuries of systematic racism.
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The profound pain and
suffering that many of our families,
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our friends, our
colleagues, are experiencing
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and have experienced for generations,
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have been very much on my mind.
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Also on my mind are
the inspiring actions
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taking place nationwide
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and what they have made clear.
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This moment calls for
sweeping societal changes,
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and it calls on each one of us
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to examine how we contribute to
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and how we are affected
by the systematic oppression
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of black people.
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I have spent many hours in recent days
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in reflection on this.
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It is not lost on me the
privilege of my background
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and the power and privilege of my role
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as President of the California
Public Utilities Commission.
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Our country must build from this moment,
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and I and others in similar roles,
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have a responsibility
to meet this moment.
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This moment calls for action.
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To do anything less would be to continue
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to uphold the systems of power
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that have oppressed black
people for generations.
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It is also not lost on me
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that this fight for
black lives is not new.
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And so many have been working tirelessly
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for so long for equality and justice.
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So many more are just
catching up and starting the work.
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It has taken too long for
too many of us to believe
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and say three true
words, Black Lives Matter.
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As a public agency
and as public servants,
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I view it as our duty and
obligation to support this work
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in how we serve and
protect people of this state
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and in managing this organization.
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The Commission has a
role ensuring all members
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of our society are justly treated
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and protected by the
entities we regulate.
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And we must also embody these objectives
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in how we engage with
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and make decisions that will
impact communities of color.
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We also need to ensure
these objectives are reflected
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in how we manage within the Commission
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and how we work with
and support our colleagues.
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This is all within our reach,
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and it is my and the
executive leadership
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of this agency's obligation
to make it happen.
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I had an active discussion
with my fellow Commissioners
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and our executive leadership
to begin critical conversations
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with our staff and how to
deepen our commitment
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to diversity and inclusion
in our policies and practices.
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We have a lot of work to do,
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and I am committed to doing that work,
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with the people in this agency
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and listening to and amplifying
the voices of the people
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who know better than I,
through experiences of racism,
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what is needed.
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As Governor Newsom recently said,
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"We can do more and we can do better."
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I make a commitment
to the staff of this agency
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and to the customers
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to whom it is our
responsibility to serve.
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I will do more and I will do better.
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And I hope that we can
work together in this effort.
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And I expect to be challenged
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and held accountable as we do so.
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I would like now to turn to
my fellow Commissioners.
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Liane Randolph, Commissioner Randolph?
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Thank you, President Batjer.
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As we all know, in 1619,
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the first enslaved Africans
were brought to America
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and 400 years of oppression followed,
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oppression that ranged
from state sanctioned murder,
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to destruction of
business and livelihoods,
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to widespread discrimination in housing,
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education, job opportunities,
opportunities for healthcare.
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Slavery was the original sin of America
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and its effects continue today.
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Yes, we have made progress,
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but that progress has always
happened in fits and starts
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with major setbacks along the way.
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Reconstruction after
the Civil War failed
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and led to decades
of systemic repression
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against Black Americans.
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The election of the first
black president was followed
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by the election of the
most overtly racist president
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in modern times.
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I grew up in an
extremely patriotic family.
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My father joined the
Air Force after college
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because that was one of the
few places where a black man
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with a degree in chemistry
could build a career.
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I was always taught that
America has not lived up
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to its ideals,
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but it has been a country that tries,
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that improves, that grows.
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I lived my whole life believing
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that "the arc of the moral
universe bends toward justice,"
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as Dr. King said.
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Yes, there has always been racism
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and it happens every day,
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and yes, in a country where in 2016,
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the net worth of a typical
white family was $171,000,
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while the net worth of a
typical black family was $17,000.
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I recognize that the upward mobility
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my family experienced is
not available to everyone.
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And there were
disappointments along the way.
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There was Prop 209 in California.
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There was the Crime Bill in 1994,
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but we always hoped for change.
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Maybe that change wouldn't
happen immediately after Ferguson
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or after the death of Tamir Rice,
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but at least there would be pattern
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and practice investigations
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or individual police
departments like Camden
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that tried to take a fresh
look at how to do policing.
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But that hope I felt existed
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before an entire television
network dedicated itself
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to furthering systematic racism,
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that was before children
are put into cages
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and the extensible leader
of the free world spoke
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about shit-hole countries.
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And when the vice president
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of the United States felt
the need to make a show
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of attending, of leave,
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attending and then
leaving a football game,
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just because players took the knee
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to recognize that Black Lives Matter.
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And we had an attorney general
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who ended civil rights enforcement
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and at the same time ended
any enforcement efforts
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against white supremacists.
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And the Voting Rights Act was
gutted by the Supreme Court.
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And it was clear that systematic
voter suppression was going
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to be a tactic this November.
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And I had lost hope that
the America that I grew up in
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and that I was taught
was always improving,
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had completely and utterly lost its way.
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It's exhausting and
demoralizing and frightening.
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But these protests have encouraged me
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that the better angels of
our nature really will prevail,
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that there are people who
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we have been moved the wrong direction.
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Go back.
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Enough that they think
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that there won't,
Liane,
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I'm sorry, you're cutting in and out.
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I apologize for interrupting.
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Sorry. I'll speak
a little louder.
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And this time.
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Rights Act, if we can,
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I'm so sorry
to interrupt again,
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Good morning,
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Your power cord,
Hello.
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Can you hear me better?
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We can now.
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If we tried as much as we
can into law and policy now,
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as quickly as we can,
we can make progress.
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We need to act decisively.
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That's why the social justice movement
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that has been galvanized
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by George Floyd's
tragic death must translate
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into actual policy improvements
and tangible results.
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As President Batjer said,
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I pledge to work with
my fellow Commissioners
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to do what we can to facilitate change
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and use our compassion, our platform,
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and our authority.
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Taking steps like the
disconnections proceeding
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that we'll vote on later today,
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the affordability proceeding,
the tribal land policy,
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policies that have been
spearheaded by my colleagues
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and carry forward in an
effort to address inequities
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in our system, are policies
we need to continue.
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And I look forward to working
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with my colleagues going forward.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much
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for those powerful words,
Commissioner Randolph.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
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Thank you, President Batjer.
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And thank you all,
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Commissioner Randolph
and President Batjer
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for those very, very powerful statements
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and especially Commissioner Randolph
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for the salient point
that laws need to change,
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laws change morality,
behavior, social norms,
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and they absolutely need to change
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and President Batjer
for your strong, decisive,
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commitment that you,
as the leader of the PUC,
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will do things
differently going forward.
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As many people have said,
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we are facing three pandemics at once,
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two are new, the coronavirus
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and the devastation of the economy,
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and the third one, very old,
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the pandemic of systematic racism,
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that as Commissioner Randolph said,
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has endured since slavery.
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And perhaps it's the
collision of all three at once
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in this moment,
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but the brutal death
of George Floyd had,
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has shaken the nation in a way
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that we have not seen in decades.
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If we're going to use this moment,
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to seriously attack the plague
of institutionalized racism,
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white people must take responsibility
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and that does not just mean proclaiming
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that Black Lives Matter
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or moral support for the
movement and marching.
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Although those are
very, very important steps.
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But as President Batjer said,
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by recognizing our white
privilege for what it is,
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speaking out about it, and
yes, making personal sacrifices,
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if necessary, to
eliminate that privilege.
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There was an article
last week in the paper
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that state superintendent,
Tony Thurmond,
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who is African American,
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was stopped by the CHP
as he was driving home
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from Sacramento and
forced to spread his hands
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on the dashboard of his car.
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This was a stark reminder, yet again,
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of the benefits to safety and privilege
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that comes with being white in society.
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I've never had to fear
this type of treatment.
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And it brought to mind another
instance a few years ago,
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when I was on Amtrak with
Superintendent Thurman,
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who was then in the assembly,
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and we were standing and
talking, he was in a suit and tie.
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I was dressed less formally.
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And some rider came up
to Assemblyman Thurman
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and handed him a ticket,
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assuming that he was the conductor.
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There's so many countless
examples of privilege that I,
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and other white people make.
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Cliff, I'm
sorry, you've cut out.
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We're not hearing you at all now.
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Sorry to interrupt.
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Okay. Is this better?
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Yes. Thank you, Cliff.
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I was saying
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that there are so many other
countless example of privilege
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that I and other white people
take for granted every day
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and don't even think about,
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from not worrying about
where to go running,
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to whether the bank will deny a loan
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because of our race,
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to whether a doctor will
take our complaints seriously,
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whether we'll be profiled in a store
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or confused for the help,
or whether we'll get shot
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if we get pulled over
for a traffic violation.
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To me, shining a light on
white privilege is one thing
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that I, and every other
white person can do
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to start lifting the plague
of systemic racism.
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As President Batjer said,
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we at the Commission are
deeply committed to doing our part,
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to responding to the current moment
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and to digging deeper to do
more and better, with our staff,
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the rate payers we serve
and the public at large.
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This time really has to be different.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
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Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
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Thank you, President Batjer,
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and thank you to my
fellow Commissioners.
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I think Commissioner
Randolph said it really well that
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there is a bit of hope right now.
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I'm personally very thankful
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for sharing this leadership
role with all of you,
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like minded, and clarity of the moment.
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I think that in and of itself
is such a privilege to be able
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to take this moment actually
affect some change with it.
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I was sharing with you a little earlier,
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before we got started, that last night,
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I was able to watch the assembly floor
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where Dr. Shirley Weber
led the assembly to,
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the assembly passing over
to the Senate the ACA 5,
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which is hopefully putting on the ballot
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this November the
repeal of Proposition 209.
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In her closing statement
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she made a very eloquent statement
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about the moment that we're in
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and the fact that she did not have
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to convince her colleagues
that racism is still real today,
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that George Floyd did that for her.
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And I think this cloak of
denial that's been lifted
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by these, by, certainly by George,
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but all the other cumulative
events that just happened
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and slapped us in
the face of the society
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to show us that this is still a reality,
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even here in our
progressive State of California.
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And most definitely here at
this prestigious Commission.
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I wanted to say to all my colleagues
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at the Commission that we, as you said,
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President Batjer, and my
fellow Commissioners have said
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that we're committed
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to doing the hard work
internally and externally.
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I know for myself,
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I've taken a moment to reflect
these past couple of weeks
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and I've realized that, personally,
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in these last three years,
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I've focused this effort externally.
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I've really been working,
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as Commissioner Randolph mentioned,
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on these policies that
we do to improve the lives
00:18:32.340 --> 00:18:35.190
of people of color, of black people,
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of people in poverty.
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I'm glad she mentioned
the tribal land policy
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that obviously is a recognition,
a very small recognition,
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of the over 500 years of
generational wealth removal
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for the Native Americans,
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similar to those of African Americans.
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So many good policies
that we focus on externally
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on creating these kind
of, just are components
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of improving the lives of Californians.
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But moving forward,
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I want to pledge particularly
to all my colleagues
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at the PUC that we as a
body, as is mentioned already,
00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:13.483
will focus on the internal work.
00:19:14.370 --> 00:19:18.300
It's perhaps more difficult
and more systemic work,
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are removing the biases
here in our own workplace.
00:19:22.340 --> 00:19:24.690
We're committed to providing the tools
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to setting specific actions
00:19:27.040 --> 00:19:29.663
and to disciplining acts of racism.
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I want to thank George, Breonna, Amad
00:19:34.140 --> 00:19:37.490
and many others for waking us up,
00:19:37.490 --> 00:19:42.490
for giving us their lives so
that we as a society can see,
00:19:43.050 --> 00:19:46.180
and that we as a
nation can say with pride
00:19:46.180 --> 00:19:47.643
that Black Lives Matter.
00:19:49.020 --> 00:19:49.853
Thank you.
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Thank you so much,
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
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Commissioner Shiroma?
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Yes. Thank you,
President Batjer.
00:20:02.170 --> 00:20:07.130
And fellow Commissioners,
Black Lives Matter.
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I want to start by
acknowledging that, (sighs)
00:20:13.395 --> 00:20:15.903
(computer notification rings)
00:20:15.903 --> 00:20:19.736
that although all of us
have been seeing pain,
00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.180
uncertainty, and disruption.
00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:27.667
Some people, especially (coughs),
00:20:29.690 --> 00:20:34.490
the black staff in the CPUC
community have been viewing it
00:20:34.490 --> 00:20:36.073
more than others.
00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:40.160
The killing of George Floyd
00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.593
by the hands of the Minneapolis Police,
00:20:43.543 --> 00:20:47.723
Breonna Taylor by the Louisville Police,
00:20:49.850 --> 00:20:53.843
Stephon Clark by the Sacramento Police,
00:20:55.020 --> 00:20:59.333
our CPUC's very own Zelalem Ewnetu,
00:21:01.250 --> 00:21:04.983
an engineer in our safety
and enforcement division,
00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:10.920
shot and killed by Los
Angeles Sheriffs in 2017.
00:21:13.490 --> 00:21:16.190
And too many others to mention,
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I grieve with you and I continue
00:21:18.837 --> 00:21:23.837
and am even more resolved
in my commitment to fighting
00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:28.223
for a more just nation in their memory.
00:21:29.350 --> 00:21:30.963
Black Lives Matter.
00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:34.357
As Governor Newsom said,
00:21:34.357 --> 00:21:37.067
"Now is not the time to be neutral,
00:21:37.067 --> 00:21:39.357
"it's not about picking sides.
00:21:39.357 --> 00:21:42.277
"It's about recognizing
that the conditions
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"that led to this moment cannot persist.
00:21:45.557 --> 00:21:48.257
"Racism and systemic injustice."
00:21:50.270 --> 00:21:53.530
And so, this is not just a
time for acknowledgement
00:21:53.530 --> 00:21:56.970
and grieving, it is a time
for learning and action
00:21:58.170 --> 00:22:01.110
as each of my fellow
Commissioners have outlined,
00:22:01.110 --> 00:22:04.793
both inside and outside of the CPUC.
00:22:06.940 --> 00:22:10.140
I am proud to see the
great diversity reflected
00:22:10.140 --> 00:22:12.413
among my fellow Commissioners,
00:22:13.830 --> 00:22:16.410
but that same diversity is not reflected
00:22:16.410 --> 00:22:19.103
among our staff and
our upper management.
00:22:20.740 --> 00:22:23.750
As we fill our numerous vacancies
00:22:23.750 --> 00:22:26.310
and we make decisions
on upward mobility,
00:22:26.310 --> 00:22:29.920
we have an opportunity to address this.
00:22:31.538 --> 00:22:34.760
We need to take decisive
actions regarding mentoring,
00:22:34.760 --> 00:22:38.790
hiring, and advancement
of our black staff members
00:22:38.790 --> 00:22:40.670
and our staff of color,
00:22:40.670 --> 00:22:44.483
creating clear pipelines for
diverse staff within the CPUC,
00:22:45.396 --> 00:22:46.250
within our universities,
00:22:46.250 --> 00:22:50.290
several universities from
other government agencies
00:22:50.290 --> 00:22:52.573
and from outside of
state service as well.
00:22:54.050 --> 00:22:56.730
It is important for us to participate
00:22:56.730 --> 00:22:59.520
in the upcoming implicit bias training
00:22:59.520 --> 00:23:01.770
and have a clear
channel created for staff
00:23:01.770 --> 00:23:04.640
to comfortably speak up,
00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:07.740
report instances of
bias and discrimination
00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:09.873
so they can be documented and addressed.
00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:13.780
I was sharing with my
fellow Commissioners earlier
00:23:13.780 --> 00:23:18.130
that I first became a
supervisor in state government
00:23:18.130 --> 00:23:23.130
in 1984, when affirmative
action was in place.
00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:30.960
And we had the opportunity
00:23:32.820 --> 00:23:35.090
and took the opportunity
00:23:35.090 --> 00:23:40.090
to strive for that inclusive
and diverse workplace.
00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:48.003
And during those times,
the 1980s into the 1990s,
00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:53.440
there were many white
men that believed in me
00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.173
and supported me and
gave me opportunity,
00:23:57.650 --> 00:24:01.593
and then came Prop 209
which was devastating,
00:24:04.810 --> 00:24:09.810
a terrible, terrible point
in our history in California.
00:24:12.310 --> 00:24:15.293
And with AC 5, we have
an opportunity to correct that.
00:24:18.530 --> 00:24:19.480
So in some ways,
00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:22.130
as tragic as these past
few weeks have been,
00:24:22.130 --> 00:24:25.310
they offer an opportunity
for us to work together
00:24:25.310 --> 00:24:28.550
to tackle these issues
of systemic racism
00:24:28.550 --> 00:24:31.460
and police brutality, to take them on,
00:24:31.460 --> 00:24:35.620
to change our country and
the organizations we work in
00:24:35.620 --> 00:24:38.833
to live up to our highest ideals.
00:24:41.040 --> 00:24:44.434
Thank you. Black Lives Matter.
00:24:44.434 --> 00:24:46.857
Thank you.
00:24:46.857 --> 00:24:50.320
Thank you, Commissioner
Shiroma for those moving words.
00:24:50.320 --> 00:24:51.153
I want to, again,
00:24:51.153 --> 00:24:54.760
thank all of my fellow
Commissioners for your deep felt,
00:24:54.760 --> 00:24:59.590
thoughtful, remarks
and for your camaraderie
00:24:59.590 --> 00:25:02.910
and your pledge that we
will make things better.
00:25:02.910 --> 00:25:04.853
I appreciate that so very much.
00:25:06.060 --> 00:25:09.810
Finally, I would like to ask everyone
00:25:09.810 --> 00:25:14.290
to please join me in
observing eight minutes
00:25:14.290 --> 00:25:17.150
and 46 seconds of silence
00:25:17.150 --> 00:25:20.910
in honor of the life of George Floyd,
00:25:20.910 --> 00:25:25.910
the amount of time a Minnesota
police officer kept his knee
00:25:26.250 --> 00:25:28.050
on Mr. Floyd's neck,
00:25:28.050 --> 00:25:33.050
as he lay unarmed and
handcuffed on the street,
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.283
gasping for breath until he died.
00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:41.143
There was no pulse after six minutes.
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:45.573
Please join me in
silence and remembrance.
00:34:47.610 --> 00:34:49.257
Thank you all very much (sighs).
00:34:54.600 --> 00:34:58.033
I appreciate very much your
words and your thoughtfulness.
00:34:58.980 --> 00:35:00.600
We'll move on now
00:35:01.510 --> 00:35:05.133
to the public comment
period of our agenda.
00:35:10.820 --> 00:35:15.010
Sound, when your time is
up, you will hear a bell sound
00:35:15.010 --> 00:35:17.180
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00:35:17.180 --> 00:35:19.840
To make telephonic public comments,
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.217
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00:35:27.150 --> 00:35:31.423
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00:35:37.060 --> 00:35:38.760
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00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.740
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00:35:41.740 --> 00:35:46.740
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00:35:50.900 --> 00:35:51.880
Let me repeat that.
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.100
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00:35:55.100 --> 00:36:00.100
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00:36:04.820 --> 00:36:07.890
That is also listed on our website.
00:36:07.890 --> 00:36:09.690
The operator will call your name
00:36:09.690 --> 00:36:12.110
when it is time for you to speak.
00:36:12.110 --> 00:36:15.203
You will hear a bell
sound when your time is up.
00:36:16.070 --> 00:36:18.930
Please be mindful of the other
people waiting in the queue
00:36:18.930 --> 00:36:20.463
to provide public comments.
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.230
Your cooperation will help us ensure
00:36:24.230 --> 00:36:27.430
that everyone gets their
turn to share their comments
00:36:27.430 --> 00:36:28.580
with the Commissioners.
00:36:31.169 --> 00:36:34.330
The CPUC's rules
do not allow for parties
00:36:34.330 --> 00:36:37.990
in proceedings to speak
about open proceedings.
00:36:37.990 --> 00:36:40.300
The public can make
comments addressing items
00:36:40.300 --> 00:36:43.610
on the consent and regular agendas
00:36:43.610 --> 00:36:47.803
and including items that
are not on the agenda today.
00:36:48.770 --> 00:36:52.650
Please note that there
will not be a public comment
00:36:52.650 --> 00:36:56.963
on any item on the
closed session agenda.
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:59.760
With that guidance in mind,
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:01.800
I will welcome today's speakers.
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:03.200
I will now turn to the operator
00:37:03.200 --> 00:37:05.930
to open up the public
comments telephone line.
00:37:05.930 --> 00:37:06.763
Operator?
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:09.173
Thank you.
00:37:09.173 --> 00:37:11.980
The public comment line is now open.
00:37:11.980 --> 00:37:15.150
Our first comment comes
from Gabriel Goffman
00:37:15.150 --> 00:37:18.250
with Democratic Socialists of America.
00:37:18.250 --> 00:37:19.100
You may go ahead.
00:37:20.783 --> 00:37:24.050
I thank
you Commissioners.
00:37:24.050 --> 00:37:29.050
I'm calling specifically on
the agenda items related
00:37:29.220 --> 00:37:34.220
to the emergency
powers that PG&E is trying
00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:38.407
to have regarding microgrid.
00:37:40.540 --> 00:37:42.443
I think this is item number 28.
00:37:43.650 --> 00:37:48.650
This item uses diesel
fuel, which is, you know,
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.130
highly fluent, causes health issues
00:37:54.130 --> 00:37:56.580
and releases greenhouse gas emissions,
00:37:56.580 --> 00:37:57.820
and should not be used.
00:37:57.820 --> 00:37:59.520
Currently we're seeing rapid decline
00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:01.310
in the cost of batteries
00:38:01.310 --> 00:38:03.300
and battery technology is something
00:38:03.300 --> 00:38:05.920
that the state should invest in
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.043
and I urge the
Commission to reject this,
00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:12.203
you know, this proposal.
00:38:13.080 --> 00:38:16.440
Also number three, the refinement
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.930
to the resource adequacy program.
00:38:18.930 --> 00:38:20.307
It is, interference with the rights
00:38:20.307 --> 00:38:23.743
of community choice
agencies to secure energy,
00:38:25.080 --> 00:38:30.080
and gives private companies,
PG&E, and Southern Cal, SCE,
00:38:34.030 --> 00:38:35.680
they are profit-seeking entities,
00:38:36.530 --> 00:38:38.810
they're in competition with customers
00:38:38.810 --> 00:38:40.930
and these public, publicly facing,
00:38:40.930 --> 00:38:42.763
and publicly advocating groups.
00:38:43.720 --> 00:38:45.770
This is a threat to these agencies.
00:38:45.770 --> 00:38:50.770
So, I urge to Commission
to reject both these things
00:38:52.470 --> 00:38:56.880
and to work at, for renewable energy
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.700
and locally sourced solutions
00:38:59.700 --> 00:39:04.700
that can deal with both
forest fires and, you know,
00:39:05.257 --> 00:39:07.330
our need for renewable energy
00:39:07.330 --> 00:39:11.066
and by, I think by focusing
on local renewable energy
00:39:11.066 --> 00:39:12.930
microgrid, we can build in, you know,
00:39:12.930 --> 00:39:14.660
local jobs and local resiliency.
00:39:14.660 --> 00:39:18.523
And we don't, and we
won't face these risks.
00:39:20.627 --> 00:39:21.460
Thank you.
00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:22.853
Thank you, Gabriel.
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.913
Operator, the next speaker, please.
00:39:28.180 --> 00:39:30.130
Thank you,
our next speaker is
00:39:30.130 --> 00:39:32.530
Patricia Romero-Aguasvivas
00:39:32.530 --> 00:39:36.010
with the Food Bank of
Contra Costa and Solano.
00:39:36.010 --> 00:39:36.860
You may go ahead.
00:39:38.150 --> 00:39:38.983
Thank you.
00:39:38.983 --> 00:39:41.030
My name is Patricia Romero-Aguasvivas,
00:39:41.030 --> 00:39:42.960
I live in Vallejo, California.
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:44.620
I am a community advocate
00:39:44.620 --> 00:39:48.250
and volunteer with the Food
Bank of Contra Costa and Solano.
00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:53.080
I'm here today to talk
about the last year's PSPS,
00:39:53.080 --> 00:39:58.080
as well as up and coming
PSPS set off for our community.
00:39:58.660 --> 00:40:01.650
I experienced the PSPS last year,
00:40:01.650 --> 00:40:05.450
I was out of service for
over four and a half days.
00:40:05.450 --> 00:40:07.760
I was given less than 30 seconds notice
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.480
from PG&E of my power being shut off.
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.560
Actually, as my power went off,
00:40:12.560 --> 00:40:16.950
I got an automated call from
PG&E stating that my power had,
00:40:16.950 --> 00:40:19.730
was being affected by the PSPS.
00:40:19.730 --> 00:40:22.030
I had already done my
grocery shopping for the month
00:40:22.030 --> 00:40:24.560
and was frantic that
I would lose my food.
00:40:24.560 --> 00:40:28.020
I searched in my neighborhood
for stores to get ice.
00:40:28.020 --> 00:40:29.640
However, they were either closed
00:40:29.640 --> 00:40:31.340
because they had no power
00:40:31.340 --> 00:40:34.050
or the ones that were open, had no ice.
00:40:34.050 --> 00:40:37.570
I ended up driving to
another city to purchase ice
00:40:37.570 --> 00:40:41.300
for my household and my
elderly parents' household,
00:40:41.300 --> 00:40:42.357
to try to save our food
00:40:42.357 --> 00:40:45.630
and insulin that needed
to be refrigerated.
00:40:45.630 --> 00:40:47.450
Well, the ice melted.
00:40:47.450 --> 00:40:48.900
And for the next few days
00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:51.573
I ended up losing all
of my perishable items.
00:40:52.600 --> 00:40:55.700
I am on a fixed income and
don't have additional funds
00:40:55.700 --> 00:40:58.400
to replace the food that
I've purchased for the month.
00:41:00.020 --> 00:41:04.200
Without the help of the food
bank and food pantries, I was,
00:41:04.200 --> 00:41:07.140
I would not have had any food
00:41:07.140 --> 00:41:09.050
that needed to be refrigerated.
00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:14.050
I also suffer from sleep apnea
and rely on my CPAP machine.
00:41:14.120 --> 00:41:17.130
I cannot use this
machine without the power.
00:41:17.130 --> 00:41:19.340
I've looked into getting a generator.
00:41:19.340 --> 00:41:22.833
However, I simply cannot
afford to get a generator.
00:41:23.670 --> 00:41:27.080
I reached out to PG&E to
see if I could put a claim in
00:41:27.080 --> 00:41:28.490
and was told "No,"
00:41:28.490 --> 00:41:32.827
since I wasn't affected
by it, by the very first PSPS
00:41:32.827 --> 00:41:36.270
and since they had warned me, (laughs)
00:41:36.270 --> 00:41:39.050
it was up to me to fend for myself.
00:41:39.050 --> 00:41:42.490
I urge the Commission to
support the proposed decision
00:41:42.490 --> 00:41:45.320
and convince PG&E to
realize what they're doing
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.166
to the elderly, sick, and poor people.
00:41:48.166 --> 00:41:49.936
Thank you.
(bell chimes)
00:41:49.936 --> 00:41:51.990
Thank you, Patricia.
00:41:51.990 --> 00:41:54.003
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:41:55.430 --> 00:41:58.290
Our next caller is
Laura Rosenberger Haider
00:41:58.290 --> 00:42:00.530
with Fresnans Against Fracking.
00:42:00.530 --> 00:42:01.380
You may go ahead.
00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:04.473
Procurement hurts PCAs.
00:42:08.720 --> 00:42:11.180
Are you, you hear this?
00:42:11.180 --> 00:42:12.104
All right, all right.
Yes.
00:42:12.104 --> 00:42:15.886
I have to unmute here.
Please continue.
00:42:15.886 --> 00:42:17.726
Go ahead, we can hear you.
00:42:17.726 --> 00:42:19.177
Oh, all right, yes.
00:42:19.177 --> 00:42:24.177
Central procurement of
resource adequacy hurts CCAs.
00:42:26.085 --> 00:42:28.673
For fire season resiliency,
that could be enough,
00:42:29.606 --> 00:42:32.517
also for fire season resiliency,
00:42:32.517 --> 00:42:33.750
there could be enough solar,
00:42:33.750 --> 00:42:37.593
achieve solar storage
and recycled car batteries.
00:42:38.500 --> 00:42:41.596
So, we don't need fossil fuels.
00:42:41.596 --> 00:42:44.000
Even though I do support micro grids,
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.863
fossil fuels do not need
to be used as a backup.
00:42:48.080 --> 00:42:51.090
Use of fossil fuels promote fracking
00:42:51.090 --> 00:42:53.670
in disadvantaged
neighborhoods of people,
00:42:53.670 --> 00:42:55.190
where people of color live,
00:42:55.190 --> 00:42:58.640
fossil fuel emissions
harm people of color more
00:42:58.640 --> 00:43:00.863
and increase the risk of coronavirus.
00:43:02.110 --> 00:43:06.140
There's studies from
Colorado University in 2018,
00:43:06.140 --> 00:43:10.430
have increased death rate near fracking.
00:43:10.430 --> 00:43:13.163
And we're going to
bring us all to California.
00:43:14.020 --> 00:43:17.320
And also if someone needs
to refrigerate something,
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:20.017
a $300 solar batteries, maybe less,
00:43:20.017 --> 00:43:22.680
$300 solar battery system
00:43:22.680 --> 00:43:25.590
from Harbor Freight
could run a refrigerator
00:43:25.590 --> 00:43:27.060
with a thermal cooling plate
00:43:28.290 --> 00:43:32.543
and basically I think like a
cell phone, maybe boil water.
00:43:34.970 --> 00:43:35.803
All right.
00:43:37.650 --> 00:43:40.190
Please install arc interrupters.
00:43:40.190 --> 00:43:42.253
And don't let it depend on,
00:43:43.169 --> 00:43:46.670
on receiving the wild fire fund grant.
00:43:46.670 --> 00:43:49.350
'Cause there may not
be time to get that grant,
00:43:49.350 --> 00:43:50.878
but just use some of your funds
00:43:50.878 --> 00:43:53.030
and install arc interrupters
00:43:53.030 --> 00:43:55.140
and new wires to prevent fire.
00:43:55.140 --> 00:43:58.393
The better fire prevention
plan is necessary.
00:43:58.393 --> 00:43:59.810
All right, thank you.
00:43:59.810 --> 00:44:01.820
Thank you, Laura.
00:44:01.820 --> 00:44:03.470
Operator, the next caller please.
00:44:05.809 --> 00:44:07.690
Our next
caller is Nancy Macy
00:44:07.690 --> 00:44:10.900
with Environmental Committee
for the San Lorenzo Valley.
00:44:10.900 --> 00:44:11.750
You may go ahead.
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:14.940
Thank you for
your inspiring commitment
00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:16.273
to Black Lives Matter.
00:44:17.980 --> 00:44:20.440
The Valley Women's Club's
Environmental Committee
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.330
for the San Lorenzo
Valley has been committed
00:44:23.330 --> 00:44:24.610
to watershed protection
00:44:24.610 --> 00:44:27.830
in the Santa Cruz
mountains for 43 years.
00:44:27.830 --> 00:44:30.820
The wildfire safety division's
remarkable examination
00:44:30.820 --> 00:44:33.720
produced significant in depth conditions
00:44:33.720 --> 00:44:36.860
for PG&E's wildfire mitigation plan.
00:44:36.860 --> 00:44:39.920
These hundreds of conditions
are a direct indictment
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.630
of PG&E, their plan
fails to improve safety,
00:44:43.630 --> 00:44:46.780
it is expensive and
environmentally destructive.
00:44:46.780 --> 00:44:48.737
Look at WSD's figure 2.7 A.
00:44:49.730 --> 00:44:53.070
A pathetic 5% drop
in projected ignitions
00:44:53.070 --> 00:44:55.496
by PG&E through 2022?
00:44:55.496 --> 00:45:00.496
While Hardening Conductor
gives Edison 75%?
00:45:00.520 --> 00:45:03.460
The conditions fall crucially short,
00:45:03.460 --> 00:45:08.460
allowing only 240 miles of
wire hardening is untenable,
00:45:09.270 --> 00:45:12.610
with 20,000 miles of
unsafe antiquated bare wire
00:45:12.610 --> 00:45:14.540
in tiers two and three.
00:45:14.540 --> 00:45:17.440
Mandate thousands
of miles of steel core,
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.420
triple insulated, conductor now.
00:45:20.420 --> 00:45:23.510
Computerized circuit
protection stops electrocution
00:45:23.510 --> 00:45:27.530
and wildfire, it must be mandated, now.
00:45:27.530 --> 00:45:31.340
Enhanced vegetation management
is unproven, uncontrolled,
00:45:31.340 --> 00:45:33.930
extremely expensive and destructive.
00:45:33.930 --> 00:45:35.130
It creates wind tunnels
00:45:35.130 --> 00:45:37.610
that exacerbate the spread of wildfire.
00:45:37.610 --> 00:45:40.800
Restore regular VM now.
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:44.680
The CPUC must set explicit
standards and timelines
00:45:44.680 --> 00:45:48.590
for PG&E to solve the
problems that it created.
00:45:48.590 --> 00:45:49.523
Thank you again.
00:45:50.620 --> 00:45:52.000
Thank you, Nancy.
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:53.977
Operator, the next caller please.
00:45:56.546 --> 00:45:58.323
Our next
caller is Al Weinrub
00:45:58.323 --> 00:46:01.260
with California Alliance
for Community Energy.
00:46:01.260 --> 00:46:02.110
You may go ahead.
00:46:04.020 --> 00:46:05.061
Thank you.
00:46:05.061 --> 00:46:06.220
For those of you who don't know,
00:46:06.220 --> 00:46:07.957
the alliance is a statewide organization
00:46:07.957 --> 00:46:11.550
of community choice advocates
supporting the development
00:46:11.550 --> 00:46:13.833
of local renewable energy resources
00:46:14.740 --> 00:46:16.570
to address the environmental, economic
00:46:16.570 --> 00:46:19.847
and social justice
needs of our community.
00:46:19.847 --> 00:46:21.480
Two items on today's agenda,
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.620
item 28 of the microgrid proceeding
00:46:23.620 --> 00:46:26.920
and consent item number three,
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.410
continue to see CPUC's
reliance on investor owned utilities
00:46:30.410 --> 00:46:34.210
like PG&E to address
state energy issues.
00:46:34.210 --> 00:46:35.720
In both cases,
00:46:35.720 --> 00:46:38.630
the proposed decisions
undermine and marginalize the role
00:46:38.630 --> 00:46:43.530
of community choice energy
programs as set out in AB 117
00:46:43.530 --> 00:46:45.830
which created the
community choice alternative
00:46:45.830 --> 00:46:47.573
to the monopoly utilities.
00:46:48.735 --> 00:46:51.080
The proposed decision in
the micro grid proceeding
00:46:51.080 --> 00:46:55.020
countervenes AB 117 by allowing PG&E
00:46:55.020 --> 00:46:56.530
to directly sell energy
00:46:56.530 --> 00:46:59.620
to community choice agency customers,
00:46:59.620 --> 00:47:01.620
it allows for utility owned generation
00:47:01.620 --> 00:47:03.820
to the substitute brown power
00:47:03.820 --> 00:47:06.250
for community choice procured energy
00:47:06.250 --> 00:47:08.480
whenever the utility shuts off power
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:10.610
in a transmission system.
00:47:10.610 --> 00:47:11.540
The proposed decision
00:47:11.540 --> 00:47:14.450
in the resource adequacy
proceeding is less subtle,
00:47:14.450 --> 00:47:16.630
it grants central procurement authority
00:47:16.630 --> 00:47:20.090
over resource adequacy
to invest around utilities,
00:47:20.090 --> 00:47:22.280
overriding the procurement's autonomy
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:24.280
of community choice programs.
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.460
Even worse, if left in the hands
00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:29.340
of an incompetent and criminal PG&E,
00:47:29.340 --> 00:47:32.090
a failed and failing corporation,
00:47:32.090 --> 00:47:35.210
a responsibility that will only
be used to game the system
00:47:35.210 --> 00:47:37.943
to undermine community choice programs.
00:47:38.830 --> 00:47:42.770
CPUC fight us in favor
of an awful utilities,
00:47:42.770 --> 00:47:44.540
service Wall Street interests
00:47:44.540 --> 00:47:48.330
and against public democratic
community choice programs,
00:47:48.330 --> 00:47:50.930
sets back the needs of our communities
00:47:50.930 --> 00:47:54.630
for a safe, resilient, and
equitable energy system.
00:47:54.630 --> 00:47:57.320
What we need in California
is a new energy system
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.450
based on a decentralized energy model
00:48:00.450 --> 00:48:02.730
that can serve the needs of our people,
00:48:02.730 --> 00:48:05.660
particularly low income
people and people of color.
00:48:05.660 --> 00:48:08.540
And does not burn out
and shut down power
00:48:08.540 --> 00:48:11.510
of our most vulnerable communities.
00:48:11.510 --> 00:48:13.800
As pointed out by many of you,
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:14.740
we are in a time
(bell rings)
00:48:14.740 --> 00:48:17.760
requiring sweeping societal changes.
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.110
That means we need
sweeping changes in the CPUC
00:48:21.110 --> 00:48:22.850
and who it is serving.
00:48:22.850 --> 00:48:27.490
A former CPUC president has,
(bell rings)
00:48:27.490 --> 00:48:30.770
as former President
Picker has already stated,
00:48:30.770 --> 00:48:32.437
the purpose is to protect,
00:48:32.437 --> 00:48:35.770
of CPUC is to protect
the monopoly utilities.
00:48:35.770 --> 00:48:37.610
And so long as you
continue in that vein,
00:48:37.610 --> 00:48:40.360
you're turning your backs
on the issues of racism
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:42.316
and social justice that you espoused
00:48:42.316 --> 00:48:45.050
at the beginning of this meeting.
00:48:45.050 --> 00:48:48.920
Please turn this around. Thank you.
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:49.920
Thank you, Al.
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.170
Operator, may we please
have the next caller?
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:56.330
Our next
caller is Holly Lofgren
00:48:56.330 --> 00:48:59.393
with Second Harvest of Silicon Valley.
00:49:00.490 --> 00:49:03.787
You may know, ask, make your comment.
00:49:05.170 --> 00:49:06.990
Hello honorable CPUC
00:49:06.990 --> 00:49:09.020
and all attendees of this hearing.
00:49:09.020 --> 00:49:11.230
I work at Second
Harvest of Silicon Valley,
00:49:11.230 --> 00:49:13.620
one of the largest food
banks in the nation.
00:49:13.620 --> 00:49:16.160
We now serve over half
a million people per month
00:49:16.160 --> 00:49:19.130
in Santa Clara County
and San Mateo County.
00:49:19.130 --> 00:49:21.340
These are vulnerable
populations with families,
00:49:21.340 --> 00:49:23.430
disproportionately people of color,
00:49:23.430 --> 00:49:26.090
including many children
who are the most at risk
00:49:26.090 --> 00:49:27.690
for food insecurity.
00:49:27.690 --> 00:49:30.220
I respectfully request
that the CPUC recommend
00:49:30.220 --> 00:49:31.560
that the food banks be exempt
00:49:31.560 --> 00:49:33.190
from the emergency power shut off
00:49:33.190 --> 00:49:35.040
during high heat or high wind days
00:49:35.040 --> 00:49:38.810
because we are an essential
emergency service ourselves.
00:49:38.810 --> 00:49:41.480
A power shut off at one of
our four main food warehouses
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:43.420
would entail a
tremendous loss of stored,
00:49:43.420 --> 00:49:45.540
refrigerated and frozen foods.
00:49:45.540 --> 00:49:47.430
This would mean an
inability for our food bank
00:49:47.430 --> 00:49:49.560
to deliver these food
stocks to two counties
00:49:49.560 --> 00:49:50.870
for several days,
00:49:50.870 --> 00:49:53.850
some of whose residents
had power shut off themselves
00:49:53.850 --> 00:49:56.000
and are without any food.
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.050
Please consider these facts.
00:49:58.050 --> 00:49:59.940
The value of our perishable inventory
00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:04.720
at the end of April was
$6,614,000 in Santa Clara County
00:50:04.720 --> 00:50:08.640
and $2,700,000 in San Mateo County.
00:50:08.640 --> 00:50:10.830
Would PG&E compensate us for the loss
00:50:10.830 --> 00:50:12.083
of the perishable food?
00:50:12.970 --> 00:50:15.970
In April we provided food
to over 500,000 people,
00:50:15.970 --> 00:50:17.620
which is an 85% increase
00:50:17.620 --> 00:50:20.700
in the number of people
served per month since February.
00:50:20.700 --> 00:50:22.810
In addition, we distributed
a record shattering
00:50:22.810 --> 00:50:25.220
11.5 million pounds of food in May,
00:50:25.220 --> 00:50:28.610
about twice as much as
we ever had previously.
00:50:28.610 --> 00:50:31.100
We've had experiences with PDP shutdowns
00:50:31.100 --> 00:50:32.360
where our main produce center
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:33.760
on North First Street was supposed
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:35.740
to cut over to generator power.
00:50:35.740 --> 00:50:38.780
We can say it was not
an effective program for us.
00:50:38.780 --> 00:50:40.693
We've since opted out of
this program for both our-
00:50:40.693 --> 00:50:42.300
Your call
has been forwarded
00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:45.225
to an automated voice messaging system.
00:50:45.225 --> 00:50:47.607
(909) 913-2118 is not available.
00:50:54.200 --> 00:50:56.220
At the tone, please record your message.
00:50:56.220 --> 00:50:57.300
When you've finished recording,
00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:00.133
you may hang up or
press one for more options.
00:51:01.865 --> 00:51:03.457
Holly, I apologize to you.
00:51:04.990 --> 00:51:08.130
We're having obviously
some technical difficulties.
00:51:08.130 --> 00:51:11.353
Could I asked the AV
folks to check into this?
00:51:13.458 --> 00:51:15.500
President
Batjer, I'm checking.
00:51:15.500 --> 00:51:16.390
Thank you.
00:51:16.390 --> 00:51:20.880
Holly you can start over
as soon as we're ready to,
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.230
to make sure that you're
not interrupted again.
00:51:24.670 --> 00:51:27.080
Start from the beginning?
00:51:27.080 --> 00:51:32.080
Well, we heard probably
about halfway through, maybe.
00:51:33.993 --> 00:51:36.400
I'm sorry.
Right after you said that,
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:37.630
excuse me.
00:51:37.630 --> 00:51:39.660
I think I heard right after you said
00:51:39.660 --> 00:51:42.480
that you recommended
that food banks be exempt
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.090
from the shutoff.
From the shutoffs.
00:51:45.090 --> 00:51:46.529
It was right after that, right.
00:51:46.529 --> 00:51:48.612
Thank you, Commissioner.
00:51:49.690 --> 00:51:50.740
Thank you.
00:51:52.560 --> 00:51:54.720
I think you can proceed now.
00:51:54.720 --> 00:51:57.003
Do we have a clear, are we okay?
00:51:59.050 --> 00:52:00.565
Albert?
00:52:00.565 --> 00:52:01.717
Do you know if we're okay?
Yes, President Batjer.
00:52:01.717 --> 00:52:03.800
Yes President Batjer,
Okay.
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:05.320
The issue's
been cleared up.
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:06.673
Okay. Thank you.
00:52:06.673 --> 00:52:08.950
Holly, please go ahead
with your remarks.
00:52:08.950 --> 00:52:11.980
I'm, again, sorry that
you were interrupted.
00:52:11.980 --> 00:52:13.233
Thank you, ma'am.
00:52:14.130 --> 00:52:16.810
We ask to be exempt, a power shut off
00:52:16.810 --> 00:52:19.210
at one of our four main
warehouses would entail
00:52:19.210 --> 00:52:20.610
a tremendous loss of stored,
00:52:20.610 --> 00:52:22.630
refrigerated and frozen foods.
00:52:22.630 --> 00:52:24.540
This would mean an
inability of our food bank
00:52:24.540 --> 00:52:26.760
to deliver these food
stocks to two counties
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:27.870
for several days,
00:52:27.870 --> 00:52:30.830
some of whose residents
had power shut off themselves
00:52:30.830 --> 00:52:33.000
and are without any food.
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:34.970
Please consider these facts.
00:52:34.970 --> 00:52:36.810
The value of our perishable inventory
00:52:36.810 --> 00:52:41.400
at the end of April was
$6,614,000 in Santa Clara County
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.990
and $2,700,000 in San Mateo County.
00:52:44.990 --> 00:52:46.642
Would PG&E compensate us for the loss
00:52:46.642 --> 00:52:48.840
of the perishable food?
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.850
In April, we provided food
to over 500,000 people,
00:52:51.850 --> 00:52:53.610
which is an 85% increase
00:52:53.610 --> 00:52:56.720
in the number of people
served per month since February.
00:52:56.720 --> 00:52:58.910
In addition, we distributed
a record shattering
00:52:58.910 --> 00:53:01.210
11.5 million pounds of food in May,
00:53:01.210 --> 00:53:04.630
about twice as much as
we ever had previously.
00:53:04.630 --> 00:53:06.930
We had experiences
with the PDP shutdowns
00:53:06.930 --> 00:53:08.190
where our main produce center
00:53:08.190 --> 00:53:09.610
on North First Street was supposed
00:53:09.610 --> 00:53:11.507
to cut over to generator power.
00:53:11.507 --> 00:53:14.982
You could say it was not
an effective program for us.
00:53:14.982 --> 00:53:16.630
We have since opted out of this program
00:53:16.630 --> 00:53:18.850
for both our large
warehouse on Curtner Avenue
00:53:18.850 --> 00:53:21.730
and our large warehouse
on North First Street.
00:53:21.730 --> 00:53:22.620
Why?
00:53:22.620 --> 00:53:24.507
We risked both IT infrastructure
00:53:24.507 --> 00:53:26.830
and our perishable goods to do so.
00:53:26.830 --> 00:53:29.670
Our staff, both IT and
warehouse personnel
00:53:29.670 --> 00:53:32.107
and managers are working
at absolute maximum output
00:53:32.107 --> 00:53:35.170
and we have neither space nor
budget to add more equipment
00:53:35.170 --> 00:53:38.170
or staff to manage power
cut overs to generators,
00:53:38.170 --> 00:53:40.850
short of obtaining a new warehouse space
00:53:40.850 --> 00:53:42.720
at about $1.50 a square foot
00:53:42.720 --> 00:53:45.130
and hiring more IT professionals.
00:53:45.130 --> 00:53:45.963
Thank you.
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:48.860
Thank you, Holly.
00:53:48.860 --> 00:53:50.560
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:53:51.871 --> 00:53:53.670
Our next
caller is Jim King
00:53:53.670 --> 00:53:56.840
with Community Action
of Napa Valley Food Bank.
00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:57.690
You may go ahead.
00:53:58.720 --> 00:54:00.664
Hi, thank you
for letting me attend
00:54:00.664 --> 00:54:02.423
and make a few comments.
00:54:03.650 --> 00:54:06.630
Some of the people that
have commented before me
00:54:06.630 --> 00:54:08.540
kind of hit on the same themes.
00:54:08.540 --> 00:54:11.410
We see the interruptions affecting those
00:54:11.410 --> 00:54:15.250
that are most vulnerable,
those rural and remote areas,
00:54:15.250 --> 00:54:17.653
low income housing, senior housing,
00:54:17.653 --> 00:54:21.180
and folks that aren't able
to replace their wasted food
00:54:21.180 --> 00:54:24.110
due to income or availability,
00:54:24.110 --> 00:54:26.740
medical equipment
needs, temperature control,
00:54:26.740 --> 00:54:28.805
all of this matters.
00:54:28.805 --> 00:54:33.020
And to piggyback on the comment
made just a few minutes ago,
00:54:33.020 --> 00:54:35.340
the food banks are essential services
00:54:35.340 --> 00:54:38.060
and when we're shut down
and our coolers go down,
00:54:38.060 --> 00:54:41.370
the freezers go down
and we lose that food.
00:54:41.370 --> 00:54:45.720
We're often the first on
the line to replace the food
00:54:45.720 --> 00:54:46.830
that people have lost.
00:54:46.830 --> 00:54:49.863
And if we've lost our food,
then where does that come from?
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:54.460
Whether it's generators, power walls,
00:54:54.460 --> 00:54:57.500
or some other way of ensuring power,
00:54:57.500 --> 00:55:00.900
I would much rather that
PG&E make better decisions
00:55:00.900 --> 00:55:02.900
but in the meantime,
00:55:02.900 --> 00:55:06.000
it would be nice if
there were opportunities
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.690
to make sure that
these essential services
00:55:08.690 --> 00:55:09.523
and these people
00:55:09.523 --> 00:55:12.534
that are the most
vulnerable are taken care of.
00:55:12.534 --> 00:55:15.510
COVID has only exposed
more susceptibility
00:55:15.510 --> 00:55:18.220
and made these
populations more vulnerable
00:55:18.220 --> 00:55:21.540
and I believe that it
is within your purview,
00:55:21.540 --> 00:55:24.120
and honestly your responsibility,
00:55:24.120 --> 00:55:27.740
to make decisions that
protect these populations
00:55:27.740 --> 00:55:31.030
and allow essential services
to continue their work.
00:55:31.030 --> 00:55:32.273
Thank you.
00:55:32.273 --> 00:55:33.800
Thank you, Jim.
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:35.633
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:55:38.264 --> 00:55:41.920
Our next caller is
Carolyn Jeffries with COPE.
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:42.770
You may go ahead.
00:55:44.210 --> 00:55:47.300
Yes. Thank
you for the opportunity.
00:55:47.300 --> 00:55:48.650
I'll be brief.
00:55:48.650 --> 00:55:50.470
I'm a senior citizen.
00:55:50.470 --> 00:55:52.510
I'm in the Inland Empire.
00:55:52.510 --> 00:55:56.150
And most recently, March of this year,
00:55:56.150 --> 00:55:59.210
my utility bill has increased.
00:55:59.210 --> 00:56:04.200
It stays at the level from
anywhere from $200 to $300.
00:56:04.200 --> 00:56:09.200
I'm in a home, but it is zoned
as a commercial property.
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:13.610
I just briefly want to say,
00:56:13.610 --> 00:56:15.750
I'm not a person that
I feel like I'm entitled.
00:56:15.750 --> 00:56:18.430
I try to do what is
right and what is fair.
00:56:18.430 --> 00:56:20.340
So, I will ask,
00:56:20.340 --> 00:56:23.180
I will petition that a change be made,
00:56:23.180 --> 00:56:24.480
so one, I don't have to worry
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:27.253
about the utility being cut off,
00:56:28.270 --> 00:56:32.640
two, I question the pricing
because there are times
00:56:32.640 --> 00:56:35.010
when I've had to make a choice
00:56:35.010 --> 00:56:39.690
between being assured
my utilities are not cut off
00:56:39.690 --> 00:56:40.823
or buying medication.
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:48.400
In closing, I will ask that
you see me not as an object
00:56:48.730 --> 00:56:52.650
or another individual but see
me as your family member.
00:56:52.650 --> 00:56:56.310
Because we are all
family, we are all connected,
00:56:56.310 --> 00:56:59.780
we are all valuable to one another.
00:56:59.780 --> 00:57:02.320
Thank you again for the opportunity
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:03.620
and have an excellent day.
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:05.649
Thank you, Carolyn.
00:57:06.858 --> 00:57:08.350
President Batjer?
00:57:08.350 --> 00:57:09.221
Yes?
00:57:09.221 --> 00:57:10.350
President
Batjer, could I suggest
00:57:10.350 --> 00:57:13.270
that would someone
follow up with Ms. Jeffries
00:57:13.270 --> 00:57:14.103
Yes.
To put her in touch
00:57:14.103 --> 00:57:16.430
with our consumer affairs branch
00:57:16.430 --> 00:57:18.616
who could help maybe provide information
00:57:18.616 --> 00:57:23.150
about billing options and
subsidies and so forth?
00:57:23.150 --> 00:57:24.553
Yep, we will, we will
do that immediately,
00:57:24.553 --> 00:57:28.010
we were just dispatching
that here as well.
00:57:28.010 --> 00:57:30.780
Commissioner Rechtschaffen,
thank you for raising it.
00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:32.230
So, Carolyn did could hear that.
00:57:32.230 --> 00:57:34.760
We will be in contact with you, Carolyn,
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:38.433
to assist you in some more
information that should help you.
00:57:39.410 --> 00:57:41.336
Thank you so much.
00:57:41.336 --> 00:57:42.640
Thank you.
00:57:42.640 --> 00:57:44.290
Operator the next caller, please.
00:57:47.056 --> 00:57:49.660
Our next
caller is Chuck Rosell.
00:57:49.660 --> 00:57:51.380
And he's a citizen.
00:57:51.380 --> 00:57:52.373
You may go ahead.
00:58:00.503 --> 00:58:03.753
Again, Chuck Rosell, your line is open.
00:58:07.530 --> 00:58:08.820
Can you hear me?
00:58:08.820 --> 00:58:09.853
Now we can.
00:58:10.900 --> 00:58:13.420
Okay. I'm calling,
(laughs) sorry about that.
00:58:13.420 --> 00:58:15.480
I'm calling today to
express my opposition
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.660
to the proposed decision
00:58:16.660 --> 00:58:19.377
in both the 1339 track one proceeding
00:58:19.377 --> 00:58:21.900
and the resource adequacy proceeding.
00:58:21.900 --> 00:58:23.900
These decisions will lead
00:58:23.900 --> 00:58:26.030
to a closed access distribution grid
00:58:26.030 --> 00:58:29.180
at precisely the time when the
opposite should be occurring.
00:58:29.180 --> 00:58:31.130
I understand the charter
to direct the activities
00:58:31.130 --> 00:58:32.800
of the state's electrical corporations,
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:37.410
but it seems ironic that in
the 1339 proceeding decision,
00:58:37.410 --> 00:58:40.130
you'd create a cumbersome
and rather difficult set of rules
00:58:40.130 --> 00:58:42.660
regarding utility cooperation
with local jurisdictions
00:58:42.660 --> 00:58:45.300
in one place and then
neglect the concerns
00:58:45.300 --> 00:58:47.610
that those same
jurisdictions have raised
00:58:47.610 --> 00:58:49.610
as parties in another.
00:58:49.610 --> 00:58:51.880
Closed access increases
cost to consumers,
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:53.760
which is why for opened
the transmission grid
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:55.100
over a decade ago.
00:58:55.100 --> 00:58:58.570
Nevertheless, the CPUC has
supported bypassing open access,
00:58:58.570 --> 00:59:00.940
such as CAISO option pricing rules.
00:59:00.940 --> 00:59:03.020
Under these rules, the
excess costs for bulk power
00:59:03.020 --> 00:59:05.070
such as Diablo Canyon
should never been allowed
00:59:05.070 --> 00:59:06.650
under the PCIA.
00:59:06.650 --> 00:59:07.947
A lack of pricing discipline on the part
00:59:07.947 --> 00:59:10.750
of the electrical corporations
is the leading contributor
00:59:10.750 --> 00:59:12.720
to the state's high cost of power.
00:59:12.720 --> 00:59:15.020
Rather than financially
burdening local consumers
00:59:15.020 --> 00:59:17.080
and their CCAs with these higher costs,
00:59:17.080 --> 00:59:19.850
the resource adequately
central procurement's decision
00:59:19.850 --> 00:59:22.540
should support the
development of financially healthy
00:59:22.540 --> 00:59:24.550
local power expertise,
00:59:24.550 --> 00:59:27.890
which is the same as that
has been evolving organically
00:59:27.890 --> 00:59:29.600
under community choice.
00:59:29.600 --> 00:59:31.720
During a moment when the
public demands the courage
00:59:31.720 --> 00:59:33.480
to accept and not resist change,
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.097
there are a number
of relatively easy ways
00:59:36.097 --> 00:59:39.890
in which the CPUC could
ease the transition to change
00:59:39.890 --> 00:59:42.580
for a healthy and
competitive distribution grid,
00:59:42.580 --> 00:59:45.430
making the right choice on
the issues I mentioned is one,
00:59:45.430 --> 00:59:48.750
supporting an open access
distribution system operator
00:59:48.750 --> 00:59:50.780
in the OREI would be another
00:59:50.780 --> 00:59:52.770
and liberalizing the exceptions allowed
00:59:52.770 --> 00:59:55.670
under public utility
code 218 B on track two
00:59:55.670 --> 01:00:00.040
of the SB 1339 proceeding
would absolutely be the best.
01:00:00.040 --> 01:00:01.990
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
01:00:02.830 --> 01:00:04.590
Thank you, Chuck.
01:00:04.590 --> 01:00:06.340
Operator, the next speaker, please.
01:00:09.179 --> 01:00:10.810
Our next
speaker is Jed Holtzman
01:00:10.810 --> 01:00:12.800
with 350 Bay Area.
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:13.650
You may go ahead.
01:00:15.520 --> 01:00:16.537
Thank you, Chair Batjer
01:00:16.537 --> 01:00:19.150
and Commissioners and facilitators.
01:00:19.150 --> 01:00:20.050
Black Lives Matter.
01:00:20.050 --> 01:00:22.652
Thank you very much
for the nine minutes.
01:00:22.652 --> 01:00:24.770
I have to say a couple
of minutes of comments
01:00:24.770 --> 01:00:27.960
from the public, when you
have dozens of contest items
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:30.290
of public business on your agenda
01:00:30.290 --> 01:00:32.580
that are tens to hundreds of pages each,
01:00:32.580 --> 01:00:34.803
is ludicrous and only performative.
01:00:35.890 --> 01:00:36.990
It's completely unlike
01:00:36.990 --> 01:00:39.830
every other public
agency board Commission
01:00:39.830 --> 01:00:42.040
that we deal with in the
nine Bay area counties
01:00:42.040 --> 01:00:44.690
with comment on specific agenda items.
01:00:44.690 --> 01:00:48.100
And it really conveys
that you don't actually care
01:00:48.100 --> 01:00:50.253
about substantive
comment from the public.
01:00:51.160 --> 01:00:52.260
If you want to be accountable
01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:54.780
to the public you serve
and protect, change it,
01:00:54.780 --> 01:00:56.320
this is something simple you can do
01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.020
to de-privilege the attorneys
and professionals class
01:00:59.020 --> 01:01:01.470
who solely drive what happens here
01:01:01.470 --> 01:01:05.760
and to empower a broader
lot of the people you represent.
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.400
To item number three on your agenda,
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:10.460
your decision on a central procurement
01:01:10.460 --> 01:01:11.947
sets up a working group to quote,
01:01:11.947 --> 01:01:14.447
"Ensure that gas
resources are not selected
01:01:14.447 --> 01:01:16.447
"over preferred resources in instances
01:01:16.447 --> 01:01:19.170
"in which price differentials
are relatively small,"
01:01:19.170 --> 01:01:20.003
end quote.
01:01:21.330 --> 01:01:24.969
Relatively small is not
prioritizing renewable energy
01:01:24.969 --> 01:01:27.688
and distributed energy resources.
01:01:27.688 --> 01:01:29.390
What are the true
economic and central costs
01:01:29.390 --> 01:01:32.020
of natural gas over preferred resources
01:01:32.020 --> 01:01:34.350
that might include the ER,
01:01:34.350 --> 01:01:36.990
much of the damage from
natural gas pollution is admitted
01:01:36.990 --> 01:01:39.380
directly into overburdened
DJ communities,
01:01:39.380 --> 01:01:41.150
disproportionately people of color,
01:01:41.150 --> 01:01:44.350
or simply externalized onto
society and our atmosphere
01:01:44.350 --> 01:01:47.460
for free, making its
price artificially low.
01:01:47.460 --> 01:01:51.780
If CPUC wants to push for
racial justice and climate sandy,
01:01:51.780 --> 01:01:53.310
and that's not just lip service,
01:01:53.310 --> 01:01:56.140
then this decision once
more does not show it.
01:01:56.140 --> 01:01:58.630
I'm a white guy who spends
a lot of my time working
01:01:58.630 --> 01:02:02.200
with frontline community
groups in the refinery corridor.
01:02:02.200 --> 01:02:04.560
And if you think your
day tag is connecting you
01:02:04.560 --> 01:02:05.520
to the ground,
01:02:05.520 --> 01:02:08.360
you have another thing
coming, and yes, I have attended.
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:10.720
What I hear all day is that
folks in the communities
01:02:10.720 --> 01:02:13.520
where these facilities are
sited, don't like natural gas,
01:02:13.520 --> 01:02:16.360
power plants, petroleum refineries,
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:19.020
and other huge stationary
sources emitting deadly PM,
01:02:19.020 --> 01:02:21.370
and other toxic pollutants
in their communities,
01:02:21.370 --> 01:02:24.060
which are disproportionately
low income and people of color.
01:02:24.060 --> 01:02:25.960
The pollution which kills
(bell rings)
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:27.650
thousands of Bay area residents
01:02:27.650 --> 01:02:30.150
each year, according
to the air distance,
01:02:30.150 --> 01:02:32.870
it is truly insane to give more monopoly
01:02:32.870 --> 01:02:34.840
or duopoly power over the state
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:36.010
to entities that have been
01:02:36.010 --> 01:02:37.420
convicted multiple times
(bell rings)
01:02:37.420 --> 01:02:39.920
of killing people and
which the state has had
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:42.370
to work frantically for
the last year to keep
01:02:42.370 --> 01:02:46.380
from cratering financially
and taking all of us with them.
01:02:46.380 --> 01:02:49.220
If PG&E starts fires this season,
01:02:49.220 --> 01:02:53.490
how much of a mess is that
going to be for the Commission?
01:02:53.490 --> 01:02:55.670
Knowing how bad they were on safety
01:02:55.670 --> 01:02:59.070
from your own careful
survey in which they got a zero
01:02:59.070 --> 01:03:00.040
and still approving
(bell rings)
01:03:00.040 --> 01:03:03.320
their plan and handing them
even more power over procurement
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:05.200
and responsibility like this.
01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:07.150
I just want to highlight,
Jed, I'm sorry,
01:03:07.150 --> 01:03:09.030
you're, you're,
I have comments
01:03:09.030 --> 01:03:11.320
on number 28 as well
that I will not be able
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:14.240
to make because two
minutes are insufficient
01:03:14.240 --> 01:03:17.430
to talk about in depth policy with you.
01:03:17.430 --> 01:03:18.453
Thank you very much.
01:03:19.340 --> 01:03:20.173
Thank you.
01:03:22.120 --> 01:03:24.603
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:03:27.220 --> 01:03:30.670
Next caller is Joy
Defenbaugh with a AARP.
01:03:30.670 --> 01:03:31.520
You may go ahead.
01:03:32.820 --> 01:03:36.910
Thank you operator and
Madam Chair, Commissioners.
01:03:36.910 --> 01:03:38.750
My name is Joy Defenbaugh
01:03:38.750 --> 01:03:43.410
and I am representing
AARP California this morning.
01:03:43.410 --> 01:03:45.110
I volunteer with them
01:03:45.110 --> 01:03:48.190
as part of their capital response team.
01:03:48.190 --> 01:03:52.980
And we're calling about
the consent calendar item
01:03:52.980 --> 01:03:57.020
on disconnection standards reform
01:03:57.020 --> 01:04:00.700
and AARP would like
to thank the Commission
01:04:00.700 --> 01:04:03.950
and especially
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
01:04:03.950 --> 01:04:08.950
for the work bringing this
reform package forward.
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:11.280
And we thank you for approving it
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:13.793
on the consent calendar this morning.
01:04:18.340 --> 01:04:20.330
Joy, that item has been moved
01:04:20.330 --> 01:04:24.560
to the regular agenda
just for your information.
01:04:24.560 --> 01:04:26.080
Oh, okay.
01:04:26.080 --> 01:04:27.330
Thank you.
01:04:27.330 --> 01:04:29.563
And what number will that be heard as?
01:04:32.070 --> 01:04:35.813
I believe it is still,
(paper shuffles)
01:04:36.943 --> 01:04:39.090
Item eight,
Madam President.
01:04:39.090 --> 01:04:41.190
Item eight.
Right, item eight.
01:04:41.190 --> 01:04:44.280
Yeah, that, we have
not voted on that, Joy, yet
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:46.160
but we will be.
01:04:46.160 --> 01:04:48.060
Okay. Thank you.
01:04:48.060 --> 01:04:49.060
Thank you.
01:04:52.080 --> 01:04:54.330
Operator, may we please
have the next caller?
01:04:56.430 --> 01:05:01.430
Our next caller is
Jocelyn Del Real with EYCEJ.
01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:04.300
Your line is open.
01:05:06.212 --> 01:05:07.973
Commission, my
name is Jocelyn Del Real
01:05:07.973 --> 01:05:11.460
and I'm with East Yard Community
for Environmental Justice.
01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:14.210
I would like to speak on,
again, the item number eight.
01:05:15.083 --> 01:05:18.500
First of all, thank you for
uplifting Black Lives Matter.
01:05:18.500 --> 01:05:20.660
And I would like to show my support
01:05:20.660 --> 01:05:22.150
for the proposed decisions
01:05:22.150 --> 01:05:24.160
that will undoubtedly help customers
01:05:24.160 --> 01:05:25.670
during this vulnerable time.
01:05:25.670 --> 01:05:28.630
However, I believe there's
more that you can do.
01:05:28.630 --> 01:05:31.690
I speak to you also as a
resident from one of the zip codes
01:05:31.690 --> 01:05:33.760
that list among one of the top 10
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.530
for power disconnections
to So Cal Edison.
01:05:36.530 --> 01:05:39.400
And I urge you to expand
bill assistance programs
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:41.520
to release the burden of utility debt
01:05:41.520 --> 01:05:42.850
that can still be difficult
01:05:42.850 --> 01:05:45.270
despite a payment plan being in place.
01:05:45.270 --> 01:05:48.500
I would like to ask to
prohibit disconnections,
01:05:48.500 --> 01:05:51.470
to CARE, for CARE
customers who are low income.
01:05:51.470 --> 01:05:53.020
They should be in the bracket of folks
01:05:53.020 --> 01:05:56.043
who you should not disconnect
and should be also protected.
01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.360
I also want that ask you
establish bill forgiveness
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:01.270
for those customers actively in danger
01:06:01.270 --> 01:06:02.740
of being disconnected,
01:06:02.740 --> 01:06:04.390
the data is available to identify
01:06:04.390 --> 01:06:06.940
which households are in
danger of disconnection.
01:06:06.940 --> 01:06:09.100
So, why not do more to
ensure your customers
01:06:09.100 --> 01:06:11.150
do not fall back into
this vicious cycle?
01:06:12.150 --> 01:06:14.740
In the proposed decision
is also more of a push
01:06:14.740 --> 01:06:17.230
for utilities to do outreach
and enroll rate payers
01:06:17.230 --> 01:06:20.740
into these programs,
which is definitely needed.
01:06:20.740 --> 01:06:22.470
However, my concerns are is
01:06:22.470 --> 01:06:24.930
if folks on the ground are
not receiving much information
01:06:24.930 --> 01:06:26.660
about existing programs,
01:06:26.660 --> 01:06:28.740
what assurances will
be in place to make sure
01:06:28.740 --> 01:06:30.550
that these communities are reached?
01:06:30.550 --> 01:06:33.300
And how are you actively
protecting low income customers
01:06:33.300 --> 01:06:36.000
at the fringe of disconnection
on a daily basis?
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:37.690
I'm asking for community members
01:06:37.690 --> 01:06:39.690
I have had to talk a
disconnection through,
01:06:39.690 --> 01:06:42.240
despite there being an
insulin need in their home.
01:06:42.240 --> 01:06:43.810
I'm asking for a community member
01:06:43.810 --> 01:06:47.890
who has had a debt of up to
$2,000 without any proper help
01:06:47.890 --> 01:06:49.430
who I now have no connection to
01:06:49.430 --> 01:06:50.610
since your power was shut off.
01:06:50.610 --> 01:06:52.730
I'm asking for elder,
01:06:52.730 --> 01:06:55.730
the elder community members
who do not have adequate access
01:06:55.730 --> 01:06:57.620
to current modes of information
01:06:57.620 --> 01:07:00.330
and community members who
pay their bills at grocery stores,
01:07:00.330 --> 01:07:02.120
which are not required to inform folks
01:07:02.120 --> 01:07:04.160
of what programs they qualify for.
01:07:04.160 --> 01:07:06.310
I'm asking for community
members who are in danger
01:07:06.310 --> 01:07:08.280
of eviction and have to
juggle these payments
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.190
among everything else.
01:07:10.190 --> 01:07:11.650
I urge you to take these needed steps
01:07:11.650 --> 01:07:13.420
to address the groups
of community members
01:07:13.420 --> 01:07:15.540
whose stories are not seen or heard.
01:07:15.540 --> 01:07:16.920
Thank you.
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:17.993
Thank you, Jocelyn.
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:22.123
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:07:24.070 --> 01:07:25.640
Our next
caller is Ben Schwartz
01:07:25.640 --> 01:07:27.320
with Clean Coalition.
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:28.170
You may go ahead.
01:07:29.190 --> 01:07:31.897
Hi, I wanna thank
the Commissioners
01:07:31.897 --> 01:07:34.420
for the opportunity to
comment this morning
01:07:34.420 --> 01:07:36.360
and to just start by saying
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:40.840
that one of the biggest
things that CPUC can do
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.770
to demonstrate support
for people of color,
01:07:44.770 --> 01:07:47.700
and commenters have
mentioned this before me,
01:07:47.700 --> 01:07:50.830
is really to focus as much as possible
01:07:50.830 --> 01:07:52.963
on renewable and clean energy goals.
01:07:54.080 --> 01:07:57.440
A lot of the natural
gas and diesel plants
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:02.330
in the state are without a
doubt in communities of color
01:08:02.330 --> 01:08:04.783
and low income and
disadvantaged communities,
01:08:05.870 --> 01:08:08.800
they would be the ones
that are most served
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:12.463
and most benefited by this transition.
01:08:13.590 --> 01:08:14.770
Second, I want to mention
01:08:14.770 --> 01:08:18.270
that the wildfire season
has already started,
01:08:18.270 --> 01:08:20.750
there are multiple fires,
01:08:20.750 --> 01:08:24.140
by Camp Pendleton and SDG&E territory.
01:08:24.140 --> 01:08:27.900
And I believe there are
some in SCE territory as well.
01:08:27.900 --> 01:08:31.030
So at this point, it's
clear that, you know,
01:08:31.030 --> 01:08:33.150
the wildfire season is earlier
01:08:33.150 --> 01:08:36.710
and it's getting earlier and
earlier and lasting longer.
01:08:36.710 --> 01:08:39.220
In SCE's wildfire mitigation plan,
01:08:39.220 --> 01:08:40.840
they mentioned that in 2019,
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:45.490
only 2% of customers
were affected by a PSPS.
01:08:45.490 --> 01:08:48.820
I just want to argue that for SCE,
01:08:48.820 --> 01:08:51.400
as well as both of the other utilities,
01:08:51.400 --> 01:08:53.680
this needs to be reduced every year.
01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:57.880
PSPS should be a last ditch effort
01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:02.880
and should not be considered
a main method of resilience.
01:09:03.910 --> 01:09:05.220
It isn't.
01:09:05.220 --> 01:09:09.860
Now the wildfire mitigation
plan also demonstrates
01:09:09.860 --> 01:09:14.860
that SCE believes that in
2020, the amounts of ignitions
01:09:14.940 --> 01:09:19.430
caused by its equipment
will go down by 70%.
01:09:19.430 --> 01:09:22.730
I just think that the
Commission needs to ensure
01:09:22.730 --> 01:09:26.510
that this type of claim is backed up
01:09:26.510 --> 01:09:29.960
and can be verified and
SCE is held accountable.
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.040
This is exactly the type of situation
01:09:32.040 --> 01:09:35.530
where performance based
metrics would be extremely effective
01:09:35.530 --> 01:09:37.493
at holding the utilities accountable.
01:09:37.493 --> 01:09:38.760
(bell rings)
And finally,
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:41.730
all PSPS demonstrates the importance
01:09:41.730 --> 01:09:44.920
of creating a standardized
value of resilience.
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:46.220
Thank you.
01:09:46.220 --> 01:09:47.600
Thank you, Ben.
01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:49.323
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:09:51.682 --> 01:09:54.053
And our last
caller is Dalia Serrato
01:09:54.053 --> 01:09:55.800
with Sierra Club.
01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:56.650
You may go ahead.
01:09:58.580 --> 01:10:00.187
Hello, my
name is Dalia Serrato,
01:10:00.187 --> 01:10:03.270
and I was asked to speak
on behalf of the Sierra Club
01:10:03.270 --> 01:10:06.093
and community organizer, Yassi Kavezade,
01:10:07.061 --> 01:10:09.220
with the My Generation Campaign.
01:10:09.220 --> 01:10:12.020
It is the opinion of the Sierra
Club that these protections
01:10:12.020 --> 01:10:15.060
for customers will help
vulnerable people during this time,
01:10:15.060 --> 01:10:17.670
but they need to be expanded upon,
01:10:17.670 --> 01:10:19.720
including expanding
bill assistance program
01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:23.310
in terms of eligibility and
how much customers receive
01:10:23.310 --> 01:10:25.910
and COVID measures that protect,
01:10:25.910 --> 01:10:28.733
or provide, I'm sorry,
immediate relief for customers,
01:10:29.810 --> 01:10:32.700
including stopping disconnecting
low income customers.
01:10:32.700 --> 01:10:35.860
And I understand that the
measures already include elders,
01:10:35.860 --> 01:10:37.630
infants and people on medical equipment,
01:10:37.630 --> 01:10:39.930
but I think that really
needs to be emphasized
01:10:41.410 --> 01:10:44.513
and also to stop general
rate increases for 2020.
01:10:45.630 --> 01:10:47.880
After having heard some of the comments,
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:49.070
it's my personal opinion
01:10:49.070 --> 01:10:53.070
that renewable resources
definitely need to be prioritized.
01:10:53.070 --> 01:10:55.320
And I believe the
Sierra Club would agree,
01:10:55.320 --> 01:10:57.910
but in this time of COVID-19
01:10:57.910 --> 01:11:00.100
where people are largely unemployed,
01:11:00.100 --> 01:11:03.050
I think immediate actions
should be considered
01:11:03.050 --> 01:11:04.670
for those of low income
01:11:04.670 --> 01:11:07.070
because while renewable
resources are definitely
01:11:08.670 --> 01:11:10.330
very, very important,
01:11:10.330 --> 01:11:11.513
they're not going to happen immediately.
01:11:11.513 --> 01:11:14.603
And as the food bank mentioned,
they're losing power now.
01:11:15.510 --> 01:11:17.590
Yeah, so, thank you very
much Commission for your time
01:11:17.590 --> 01:11:19.970
and I appreciate you letting me speak.
01:11:19.970 --> 01:11:22.253
Thank you,
Dalia. Appreciate it.
01:11:23.690 --> 01:11:26.144
Operator, can you
please check to make sure
01:11:26.144 --> 01:11:29.640
that no one is either
trying to get on the line
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.043
or is still on the line to speak?
01:11:33.470 --> 01:11:34.590
And we have two more
01:11:34.590 --> 01:11:36.343
in queue right at this moment.
01:11:37.530 --> 01:11:38.856
Great, thank you.
01:11:38.856 --> 01:11:39.689
Did you call,
01:11:39.689 --> 01:11:42.993
could you bring the next
speaker online please?
01:11:43.889 --> 01:11:45.590
Our next
speaker is Joshua Butler
01:11:45.590 --> 01:11:47.830
with Lanterman Housing Alliance.
01:11:47.830 --> 01:11:48.680
You may go ahead.
01:11:50.150 --> 01:11:51.049
Thank you.
01:11:51.049 --> 01:11:51.882
And thank you to the Commissioners
01:11:51.882 --> 01:11:53.460
for your heartfelt statements
01:11:53.460 --> 01:11:55.640
at the beginning of the session.
01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:57.200
My name is Josh Butler.
01:11:57.200 --> 01:11:58.640
I am the executive director
01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:00.960
for the Lanterman Housing Alliance.
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:02.913
I am also an SCE customer.
01:12:03.930 --> 01:12:05.930
Our alliance is a statewide organization
01:12:05.930 --> 01:12:09.240
that builds affordable housing
for people with disabilities,
01:12:09.240 --> 01:12:11.423
both intellectual and developmental.
01:12:12.750 --> 01:12:15.940
The protections that are being
proposed are important to me
01:12:15.940 --> 01:12:17.320
and have been for a long time.
01:12:17.320 --> 01:12:19.910
I have been advocating for these reforms
01:12:19.910 --> 01:12:21.970
and I'd like to thank
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
01:12:21.970 --> 01:12:22.990
for bringing them forward
01:12:22.990 --> 01:12:24.790
and continuing to advocate for them.
01:12:25.820 --> 01:12:29.230
It is important that
these proposals pass.
01:12:29.230 --> 01:12:32.860
It is also important that
the revision be modified
01:12:32.860 --> 01:12:37.860
to include seniors and
infants under 12 months.
01:12:38.930 --> 01:12:42.933
I especially want to
emphasize seniors, as we,
01:12:42.933 --> 01:12:45.580
as I heard your comments
at the beginning of the session
01:12:45.580 --> 01:12:47.750
and I will note that I am biracial.
01:12:47.750 --> 01:12:49.410
My father's African American.
01:12:49.410 --> 01:12:50.870
My mother is white.
01:12:50.870 --> 01:12:53.520
And your comments were
very meaningful to me.
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.627
I will say that folks that were
born before 1964 or 1954,
01:12:59.160 --> 01:13:03.280
have not had, so,
have not had the rights
01:13:03.280 --> 01:13:05.680
to live equally in this country.
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:07.570
And many of those people are now seniors
01:13:07.570 --> 01:13:09.800
and have been placed
behind the eight ball
01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:12.130
for years, decades.
01:13:12.130 --> 01:13:14.960
And so, they really
need to be included now
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.110
because they've been
pushed aside too long.
01:13:17.110 --> 01:13:20.760
And if we're truly going to
address the systemic racism
01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:22.060
that you brought up at the
beginning of the meeting,
01:13:22.060 --> 01:13:25.950
then you need to make
sure that seniors are included.
01:13:25.950 --> 01:13:28.230
And I thank you very much
for bringing this forward
01:13:28.230 --> 01:13:30.210
and for allowing me to
make my comments today.
01:13:30.210 --> 01:13:31.310
Thank you.
01:13:31.310 --> 01:13:32.940
Thank you, Josh.
01:13:32.940 --> 01:13:34.893
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:13:37.160 --> 01:13:40.530
Our next
caller is Izamas Zaccaro
01:13:40.530 --> 01:13:43.980
with East Yard Communities
for Environmental Justice.
01:13:43.980 --> 01:13:44.830
You may go ahead.
01:13:46.740 --> 01:13:48.560
Hi, thank you so much for,
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:50.510
Commissioners for your leadership.
01:13:50.510 --> 01:13:53.470
My name is Izamas, I live in Los Angeles
01:13:53.470 --> 01:13:55.030
and East Los Angeles in particular
01:13:55.030 --> 01:13:58.800
and I want to talk on item number eight.
01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:03.020
I know that these protections
for customers will help,
01:14:03.020 --> 01:14:05.840
you know, vulnerable
people during this time.
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:08.840
However, I also think
that we need to do more.
01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:12.520
I am a low income customer
and I live in government housing
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:13.353
and the Commission,
01:14:13.353 --> 01:14:15.150
and I think that the
Commission should expand
01:14:15.150 --> 01:14:18.630
the assistance programs
in terms of who is eligible
01:14:18.630 --> 01:14:20.120
and how much customers receive,
01:14:20.120 --> 01:14:22.500
especially now in the
midst of a pandemic,
01:14:22.500 --> 01:14:26.160
access to electricity and
utilities is a human right
01:14:26.160 --> 01:14:28.310
and the PUC should
do everything in its power
01:14:28.310 --> 01:14:30.770
to ensure that people
are not disconnected,
01:14:30.770 --> 01:14:33.500
especially households
in subsidized housing
01:14:33.500 --> 01:14:37.077
and where children under
12 months live and where,
01:14:37.077 --> 01:14:40.490
and the Commission should
also prohibit disconnection
01:14:40.490 --> 01:14:42.920
during extreme weather conditions.
01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:46.610
I also think that the
Commission should not have
01:14:46.610 --> 01:14:48.640
any general rate increases this year
01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:52.100
and protect those who are barely able
01:14:52.100 --> 01:14:55.100
to afford utility payments.
01:14:55.100 --> 01:14:58.150
These modifications
are possible and we think
01:14:58.150 --> 01:15:00.660
that you can make those changes.
01:15:00.660 --> 01:15:02.160
Thank you.
01:15:02.160 --> 01:15:03.850
Thank you very much.
01:15:03.850 --> 01:15:06.833
Operator, are there any
other callers on the line?
01:15:07.774 --> 01:15:09.510
And we have two more.
01:15:09.510 --> 01:15:12.410
Our next one is Michael Claiborne
01:15:12.410 --> 01:15:15.180
with Leadership Council
for Justice and Accountability.
01:15:15.180 --> 01:15:16.030
You may go ahead.
01:15:18.169 --> 01:15:19.060
Good morning,
Commissioners.
01:15:19.060 --> 01:15:20.410
Thank you for starting this meeting
01:15:20.410 --> 01:15:22.360
with the recognition
that Black Lives Matter
01:15:22.360 --> 01:15:23.470
and that specific
01:15:23.470 --> 01:15:25.900
and transformative policy
change must be adopted
01:15:25.900 --> 01:15:28.563
and implemented to end systemic racism.
01:15:29.480 --> 01:15:31.570
Leadership Council is an environmental
01:15:31.570 --> 01:15:34.080
and social justice
nonprofit based in Fresno
01:15:34.080 --> 01:15:37.010
with offices in Bakersfield
and East Coachella.
01:15:37.010 --> 01:15:39.120
Thank you for the opportunity
to provide comments
01:15:39.120 --> 01:15:40.950
in support of item number eight.
01:15:40.950 --> 01:15:45.150
The proposed decision of
Commissioner Martha Guzman Aceves
01:15:45.150 --> 01:15:46.490
on rules and policy changes
01:15:46.490 --> 01:15:50.030
to reduce customer
disconnection for energy utilities.
01:15:50.030 --> 01:15:51.810
We submitted a letter last week
01:15:51.810 --> 01:15:53.310
in support of the proposed decision
01:15:53.310 --> 01:15:56.110
along with 16 other
environmental, environmental justice
01:15:56.110 --> 01:15:57.693
and research organizations.
01:15:58.620 --> 01:16:01.070
Unfortunately, many of the
people we work alongside
01:16:01.070 --> 01:16:02.370
in low income households,
01:16:02.370 --> 01:16:04.940
disadvantaged communities,
and communities of color,
01:16:04.940 --> 01:16:07.770
regularly struggle to
pay utility bills for energy,
01:16:07.770 --> 01:16:10.050
water, and wastewater services.
01:16:10.050 --> 01:16:12.290
This leads to difficult
decisions and trade offs
01:16:12.290 --> 01:16:14.580
between paying for
essential services like food,
01:16:14.580 --> 01:16:17.620
rent and medical care
or energy and water bills.
01:16:17.620 --> 01:16:19.410
Disconnection rates
are still far too high
01:16:19.410 --> 01:16:21.690
in many of the communities we work with.
01:16:21.690 --> 01:16:24.570
The proposed decision as
revised takes an important step
01:16:24.570 --> 01:16:26.820
towards minimizing disconnections,
01:16:26.820 --> 01:16:30.490
the policies in the proposed
decisions we found thoughtful,
01:16:30.490 --> 01:16:31.770
balanced, and in our view,
01:16:31.770 --> 01:16:34.890
have a good chance of
reducing energy disconnections.
01:16:34.890 --> 01:16:37.470
We note that as recognized
in the proposed decision,
01:16:37.470 --> 01:16:40.490
there is also a need for
additional specific actions
01:16:40.490 --> 01:16:43.850
to provide relief to families
impacted by COVID-19.
01:16:43.850 --> 01:16:46.360
The Commission should
consider, among other things,
01:16:46.360 --> 01:16:48.560
requiring the utilities to
waive passed due amounts
01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:50.610
incurred during the emergency.
01:16:50.610 --> 01:16:52.130
In closing, we urge the Commission
01:16:52.130 --> 01:16:55.010
to adopt the proposed decision
and quickly move forward
01:16:55.010 --> 01:16:57.390
with an additional phase
of the subject proceeding
01:16:57.390 --> 01:17:00.300
to consider expansion
of AMP to all customers,
01:17:00.300 --> 01:17:03.300
implementation of percentage
of income payment plans
01:17:03.300 --> 01:17:04.944
and additional specific
customer protections
01:17:04.944 --> 01:17:07.180
in response to COVID-19.
01:17:07.180 --> 01:17:09.700
We also ask the Commission
to evaluate these policies
01:17:09.700 --> 01:17:12.833
in the context of reducing
water disconnections.
01:17:12.833 --> 01:17:14.560
Thank you very much.
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:15.880
Thank you, Michael.
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:17.763
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:17:19.170 --> 01:17:21.530
Our next
caller is Fuchsia Folsom
01:17:21.530 --> 01:17:22.760
with Sierra Club.
01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:24.850
You may go ahead.
01:17:24.850 --> 01:17:27.520
Hi, Commissioners,
thank you very much
01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:32.520
for meeting to discuss the
very, very important work
01:17:34.690 --> 01:17:39.500
that is to aid black lives,
01:17:39.500 --> 01:17:42.950
people who are suffering
under really extreme
01:17:44.610 --> 01:17:46.423
utilities debt burdens.
01:17:47.750 --> 01:17:51.830
Back in 2009, I,
01:17:51.830 --> 01:17:54.780
during the post-financial
crisis, of course,
01:17:54.780 --> 01:17:59.780
I worked in West Oakland
and East Oakland aiding people
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:04.580
to apply for energy assistance
01:18:04.580 --> 01:18:08.890
and to frankly, negotiate
debt forgiveness.
01:18:08.890 --> 01:18:11.050
It was very, very difficult.
01:18:11.050 --> 01:18:12.960
Even during those periods
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:17.300
to negotiate any sort of forgiveness
01:18:17.300 --> 01:18:20.260
once the bills were put into, you know,
01:18:20.260 --> 01:18:25.110
the collections mode, I watched in tears
01:18:25.110 --> 01:18:28.580
as many families were
forced to be shut down
01:18:28.580 --> 01:18:30.090
and live in the dark,
01:18:30.090 --> 01:18:33.940
including people who had
young infants and so on,
01:18:33.940 --> 01:18:35.323
all of them black.
01:18:36.160 --> 01:18:40.403
If you care about black lives,
01:18:41.250 --> 01:18:46.250
you will promote debt
forgiveness for energy utilities.
01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:52.010
It is extremely, extremely important.
01:18:52.010 --> 01:18:57.010
And I myself, while enjoying
my white privilege here
01:18:57.070 --> 01:18:59.740
in rural Carmel Valley, California,
01:18:59.740 --> 01:19:02.920
I received some very hefty bills
01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:06.940
that I have had to
renegotiate with PG&E,
01:19:06.940 --> 01:19:08.540
none of it being forgiven.
01:19:08.540 --> 01:19:12.853
I received a bill for $250 in one month,
01:19:13.970 --> 01:19:16.630
pretty outrageous and
really, really difficult,
01:19:16.630 --> 01:19:20.150
especially because I
had recently lost my job
01:19:20.150 --> 01:19:23.320
due to this COVID-19 crisis.
01:19:23.320 --> 01:19:26.180
In any case, I urge the Commission
01:19:26.180 --> 01:19:29.803
to please, please, please,
01:19:30.830 --> 01:19:34.500
put some guidance on PG&E
to really do debt forgiveness
01:19:34.500 --> 01:19:39.500
for black families and all
families that are suffering
01:19:39.650 --> 01:19:42.660
under this terrible COVID-19 crisis.
01:19:42.660 --> 01:19:44.495
I thank you.
(bell rings)
01:19:44.495 --> 01:19:45.495
Thank you.
01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:49.543
Operator, is there
another caller, please?
01:19:51.390 --> 01:19:54.330
Yes, our next
caller is Yassi Kavezade
01:19:54.330 --> 01:19:55.890
with Sierra Club.
01:19:55.890 --> 01:19:56.740
You may go ahead.
01:19:57.790 --> 01:19:58.650
Good morning.
01:19:58.650 --> 01:20:01.230
My name is Yassi and
I'm a community organizer
01:20:01.230 --> 01:20:02.880
with the Sierra Club.
01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:04.460
I appreciate the acknowledgement
01:20:04.460 --> 01:20:06.270
of black lives this morning.
01:20:06.270 --> 01:20:08.510
We must continue to uplift voices
01:20:08.510 --> 01:20:10.400
that have been murdered by police.
01:20:10.400 --> 01:20:12.000
We must look at ways policing
01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:14.590
and public service
affects the perpetuation
01:20:14.590 --> 01:20:16.950
of racial and economic injustice.
01:20:16.950 --> 01:20:19.450
You all are related to that.
01:20:19.450 --> 01:20:22.900
Your power leverages your
privilege to shape the course
01:20:22.900 --> 01:20:26.810
of society with utility
essentials we need to live.
01:20:26.810 --> 01:20:29.730
Today I'm here to support
the proposed decision
01:20:29.730 --> 01:20:31.740
agenda item number eight
01:20:31.740 --> 01:20:34.230
regarding energy disconnection relief.
01:20:34.230 --> 01:20:37.330
The top four zip codes that
are prone to the most shut offs
01:20:37.330 --> 01:20:41.410
according to the CPUC
2016 disconnection report
01:20:41.410 --> 01:20:44.810
are Palmdale, San Bernardino,
Riverside and Fontana,
01:20:44.810 --> 01:20:47.250
which are all in Inland
Valley communities.
01:20:47.250 --> 01:20:49.560
We have hotter summers
and cooler winters,
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:52.050
and our technologies
are often behind the curve
01:20:52.050 --> 01:20:56.000
for power efficiency
in generating energy.
01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:59.270
With our heat comes more
work for gas plants to stay on,
01:20:59.270 --> 01:21:01.963
which means more
emissions at the same time.
01:21:02.860 --> 01:21:05.580
These inland communities like
mine and Riverside are black,
01:21:05.580 --> 01:21:07.250
native and brown lives.
01:21:07.250 --> 01:21:08.880
Our communities work tirelessly,
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:10.570
working paycheck to paycheck.
01:21:10.570 --> 01:21:12.260
I work with youth volunteers
01:21:12.260 --> 01:21:14.030
who work tirelessly paycheck to paycheck
01:21:14.030 --> 01:21:16.260
and still face the
threat of being shut off
01:21:16.260 --> 01:21:18.780
and high arrearages on their bills.
01:21:18.780 --> 01:21:20.130
So, this relief is important
01:21:20.130 --> 01:21:21.820
and it's in the step
in the right direction
01:21:21.820 --> 01:21:24.660
during the COVID-19
pandemic, especially,
01:21:24.660 --> 01:21:26.370
and we must see more bill forgiveness
01:21:26.370 --> 01:21:28.590
on customers who are on
the fringe of disconnection,
01:21:28.590 --> 01:21:30.010
especially on CARE.
01:21:30.010 --> 01:21:31.900
And I'd like to see that be uplifted
01:21:31.900 --> 01:21:34.490
in the proposed decision as mentioned,
01:21:34.490 --> 01:21:36.430
and medical baseline.
01:21:36.430 --> 01:21:37.740
Outside of this proceeding,
01:21:37.740 --> 01:21:39.040
it has been brought to my awareness
01:21:39.040 --> 01:21:42.440
that Southern California Edison
is proposing a rate increase
01:21:42.440 --> 01:21:45.320
in its general rate
case that's for vote,
01:21:45.320 --> 01:21:47.360
by the, for the end of this year.
01:21:47.360 --> 01:21:49.330
Please continue to
ensure that our shutoff
01:21:49.330 --> 01:21:52.220
and rates are going to,
going back to the people.
01:21:52.220 --> 01:21:54.410
Our energy generated
is clean, renewable,
01:21:54.410 --> 01:21:58.550
and our monopolized investor
owned utilities are working
01:21:58.550 --> 01:22:01.260
in the interest of
customers, not shareholders.
01:22:01.260 --> 01:22:04.160
Thank you for your time and I
hope you all have a good day.
01:22:04.160 --> 01:22:05.940
Thank you, Yassi.
01:22:05.940 --> 01:22:08.290
Operator, I understand there
are a couple of people trying
01:22:08.290 --> 01:22:10.840
to get on the line and
are having some difficulty
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:14.530
and our staff is trying to
troubleshoot with them.
01:22:14.530 --> 01:22:15.980
Do you know whether they're on the line
01:22:15.980 --> 01:22:18.563
or are there other callers
that are on the line?
01:22:22.620 --> 01:22:26.550
We do have
several callers in the queue.
01:22:26.550 --> 01:22:30.283
Our next one is Angie
Valderez with Sierra Club.
01:22:32.138 --> 01:22:33.479
Hello?
01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:34.803
Hello.
Can you?
01:22:34.803 --> 01:22:36.140
Yes. Can you hear me?
01:22:36.140 --> 01:22:37.540
Yes, we can, Angie.
01:22:37.540 --> 01:22:38.870
All right, well, thank you.
01:22:38.870 --> 01:22:41.470
Hi, my name is Angie
Valderez with the Sierra Club
01:22:41.470 --> 01:22:43.860
and I'm calling regarding item eight.
01:22:43.860 --> 01:22:45.670
First, I'd like to thank the CPUC
01:22:45.670 --> 01:22:48.950
for addressing Black Lives Matter,
01:22:48.950 --> 01:22:53.170
but your customers
need you more than ever
01:22:53.170 --> 01:22:55.270
to show up for the most
vulnerable community
01:22:55.270 --> 01:22:57.230
in ways they most need
01:22:57.230 --> 01:23:00.573
by giving them a damn
break during COVID-19.
01:23:01.890 --> 01:23:05.310
As if 2020 hasn't brought
enough trauma to many folks,
01:23:05.310 --> 01:23:08.620
especially low income POC community.
01:23:08.620 --> 01:23:10.740
I am asking you to, please,
01:23:10.740 --> 01:23:13.170
stop general rate increases for 2020
01:23:13.170 --> 01:23:15.340
and utilities shut off.
01:23:15.340 --> 01:23:18.310
We have children whose
homes are not only a safe haven,
01:23:18.310 --> 01:23:21.083
but become a safe space, a school space.
01:23:22.150 --> 01:23:24.580
And for elders, whose homes protect them
01:23:24.580 --> 01:23:27.580
from the heat waves and COVID-19,
01:23:27.580 --> 01:23:32.290
the last thing they need is
to have you shut off that line
01:23:32.290 --> 01:23:36.640
to their education, to helping
them stay home and safe.
01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:39.820
So remember this, epidemic has shown us
01:23:39.820 --> 01:23:43.040
that no one is really
safe from being jobless.
01:23:43.040 --> 01:23:46.400
So, this can be you or your loved ones
01:23:46.400 --> 01:23:48.490
and let's not,
01:23:48.490 --> 01:23:51.340
I'm asking you all,
let's not talk about it,
01:23:51.340 --> 01:23:52.500
but be about it.
01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:55.640
How are you showing up for
the most vulnerable community
01:23:55.640 --> 01:23:57.710
who's trying to make ends meet?
01:23:57.710 --> 01:24:01.110
And during these
times can't even do that.
01:24:01.110 --> 01:24:04.810
So, please, I ask you to
support these communities
01:24:04.810 --> 01:24:07.070
by showing, giving them some relief
01:24:07.070 --> 01:24:08.190
during these hard times.
01:24:08.190 --> 01:24:09.023
Thank you.
01:24:09.023 --> 01:24:10.340
Thank you, Angie.
01:24:10.340 --> 01:24:13.647
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:24:13.647 --> 01:24:17.180
Our next
caller is Scott Murtishaw
01:24:17.180 --> 01:24:21.720
with California Solar
and Storage Association.
01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:22.570
You may go ahead.
01:24:30.810 --> 01:24:31.960
Scott, are you there?
01:24:33.366 --> 01:24:34.526
Can you hear me?
01:24:34.526 --> 01:24:35.548
Now we can.
01:24:35.548 --> 01:24:36.381
Thank you.
01:24:36.381 --> 01:24:37.590
Can you hear
me? Okay, all right.
01:24:37.590 --> 01:24:38.734
Yes, thank you for taking the time
01:24:38.734 --> 01:24:41.860
to listen to our comments.
01:24:41.860 --> 01:24:44.560
We just wanted to comment
on item number three,
01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:45.920
regarding the central procurement
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:47.683
of resource adequacy resources.
01:24:48.900 --> 01:24:52.450
This proposed decision
purports to allow CCAs
01:24:52.450 --> 01:24:55.190
to receive some benefit
from their investments
01:24:55.190 --> 01:24:57.290
in local resource adequacy,
01:24:57.290 --> 01:24:59.923
through this hybrid
procurement framework,
01:25:01.200 --> 01:25:03.120
we think that it's unlikely
01:25:03.120 --> 01:25:06.310
to produce any meaningful
investments by CCAs
01:25:06.310 --> 01:25:09.623
in local RA resources.
01:25:11.690 --> 01:25:12.523
Under this framework,
01:25:12.523 --> 01:25:15.920
the CCAs really have two bad choices.
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:18.110
They can either invest in local RA
01:25:18.110 --> 01:25:21.770
and then submit those resources
01:25:21.770 --> 01:25:25.090
into a solicitation run by the utility
01:25:25.090 --> 01:25:27.620
as a central procurement entity,
01:25:27.620 --> 01:25:31.100
and then hope that those
resources are accepted
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:36.190
by that solicitation in
order to get any value
01:25:36.190 --> 01:25:38.410
or any revenue from that investment.
01:25:38.410 --> 01:25:41.700
This exposes these potential investments
01:25:41.700 --> 01:25:44.020
and local RA to a lot of risks.
01:25:44.020 --> 01:25:48.720
The second is to force the CCA
01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:51.230
to essentially share the local RA value
01:25:51.230 --> 01:25:55.450
with every other LSE in
the local resource area.
01:25:55.450 --> 01:25:57.010
So, this forces them
01:25:57.010 --> 01:26:00.540
to essentially provide
a free public good
01:26:00.540 --> 01:26:04.320
to every other LSE in the area.
01:26:04.320 --> 01:26:05.640
So in other words,
01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:09.030
the CCAs looking to make
innovative investments
01:26:09.030 --> 01:26:12.650
and customer sided and distributed solar
01:26:12.650 --> 01:26:14.490
and storage resources
01:26:14.490 --> 01:26:18.420
that can provide meaningful
local RA would have
01:26:18.420 --> 01:26:21.720
to bear the full cost
of those investments
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:24.070
while receiving only a
fraction of the benefit.
01:26:25.620 --> 01:26:28.370
It seems unlikely that
CCAs will make these sort
01:26:28.370 --> 01:26:32.400
of investments under either option.
01:26:32.400 --> 01:26:33.760
And so, I would just urge the Commission
01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:36.570
to please reconsider item number three.
01:26:36.570 --> 01:26:37.403
Thank you.
01:26:37.403 --> 01:26:39.430
Thank you, Scott.
01:26:39.430 --> 01:26:41.233
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:26:45.790 --> 01:26:47.260
Our next
caller is Ann Harvey
01:26:47.260 --> 01:26:49.850
with Local Clean Energy Alliance.
01:26:49.850 --> 01:26:51.390
You may go ahead.
01:26:51.390 --> 01:26:52.750
Hi, I'm calling to ask you
01:26:52.750 --> 01:26:55.820
to reject the proposed
decision on resource adequacy,
01:26:55.820 --> 01:26:59.450
R. 17-09-020 on the consent calendar.
01:26:59.450 --> 01:27:02.290
In stark contrast to PG&E,
01:27:02.290 --> 01:27:04.960
my electricity procurer,
East Bay Community Energy,
01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.030
is governed by local elected officials.
01:27:07.030 --> 01:27:09.740
And it's accountable to
us through public meetings
01:27:09.740 --> 01:27:10.790
and its board of directors
01:27:10.790 --> 01:27:13.216
and the community advisory council.
01:27:13.216 --> 01:27:16.280
Our local CCA for East
Bay Community Energy
01:27:16.280 --> 01:27:18.080
can respond to our priorities,
01:27:18.080 --> 01:27:21.820
including development of
local clean energy resources,
01:27:21.820 --> 01:27:25.490
which generate good
jobs locally, cleaner air,
01:27:25.490 --> 01:27:27.010
less greenhouse gas,
01:27:27.010 --> 01:27:28.820
and ultimately lower wildfire service
01:27:28.820 --> 01:27:30.693
due to the long transmission lines.
01:27:32.130 --> 01:27:34.370
Our CCAs have the legal authority
01:27:34.370 --> 01:27:39.300
to procure energy autonomously
according to AB 117.
01:27:39.300 --> 01:27:42.150
Please do not improperly
transfer that authority
01:27:42.150 --> 01:27:46.540
to these IOUs that have a
history of antagonistic behavior
01:27:46.540 --> 01:27:48.650
toward their legitimate competitors,
01:27:48.650 --> 01:27:50.940
as well as toward measures
to minimize pollution
01:27:50.940 --> 01:27:52.700
and global warming.
01:27:52.700 --> 01:27:54.907
I also oppose R. 19-09-009
01:27:56.093 --> 01:27:58.403
(microphone shuffles)
01:27:58.403 --> 01:28:01.412
I cannot tell you
how disheartening it is
01:28:01.412 --> 01:28:04.920
watching you consistently,
unanimously, vote
01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:07.891
after hearing many public
comments in opposition
01:28:07.891 --> 01:28:09.644
to enrich the IOUs
01:28:09.644 --> 01:28:13.293
at the expense of
democratically established CCAs,
01:28:13.293 --> 01:28:15.990
rate payers, the environment-
01:28:15.990 --> 01:28:19.040
Hi, this is the
conference operator.
01:28:19.040 --> 01:28:20.520
I'll go ahead and join
you in the conference.
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:22.370
Did you want to make a comment today?
01:28:23.359 --> 01:28:24.490
Operator, I think,
01:28:24.490 --> 01:28:25.740
Okay, I'll join
you into the conference
01:28:25.740 --> 01:28:28.600
and then you can press star one, okay?
01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:31.220
Operator, I'm sorry,
you interrupted Ann,
01:28:31.220 --> 01:28:33.943
who was speaking?
01:28:35.420 --> 01:28:36.700
I was just about to finish.
01:28:36.700 --> 01:28:39.060
I was just going to
ask, when will this end?
01:28:39.060 --> 01:28:41.240
And rejecting these two
consent calendar items
01:28:41.240 --> 01:28:42.810
could be a start.
01:28:42.810 --> 01:28:43.643
Thank you.
01:28:44.620 --> 01:28:45.490
Thank you, Ann.
01:28:45.490 --> 01:28:48.043
All right, operator,
now the next caller?
01:28:50.670 --> 01:28:52.920
And our next
caller, one moment.
01:28:53.909 --> 01:28:54.809
Is coming through.
01:29:00.610 --> 01:29:03.940
And Jennifer Tanner, you may go ahead,
01:29:03.940 --> 01:29:06.646
and please provide your organization.
01:29:06.646 --> 01:29:07.890
Can you hear me?
01:29:07.890 --> 01:29:09.560
Yes, we can.
01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:10.393
Thank you.
01:29:10.393 --> 01:29:13.580
Jennifer Tanner, Indivisible
California Green Team.
01:29:13.580 --> 01:29:15.930
President Batjer and
members of the Commission,
01:29:15.930 --> 01:29:18.090
thank you so much for your moving words
01:29:18.090 --> 01:29:20.110
on Black Lives Matter.
01:29:20.110 --> 01:29:22.410
Those eight minutes
of silence reminded us
01:29:22.410 --> 01:29:24.980
how long George Floyd laid there,
01:29:24.980 --> 01:29:27.210
unable to save his own life.
01:29:27.210 --> 01:29:29.782
Thank you for your
commitment on this issue.
01:29:29.782 --> 01:29:32.207
My comments today are
about the approval of conditions
01:29:32.207 --> 01:29:34.803
of the PG&E wildfire mitigation plan.
01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:37.770
Investor owned utilities
should be required
01:29:37.770 --> 01:29:40.960
to follow best practices
to protect California
01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:42.883
from utility caused wildfires.
01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:46.790
PG&E should replace
the six gauge bare wire
01:29:46.790 --> 01:29:50.100
in the 7,000 miles of highest fire risk,
01:29:50.100 --> 01:29:54.700
tier two and tier three, in
three years for our safety.
01:29:54.700 --> 01:29:58.310
By doing a paltry 240 miles a year,
01:29:58.310 --> 01:30:01.620
PSPS will be with us forever.
01:30:01.620 --> 01:30:04.670
This wire should have
been condemned years ago.
01:30:04.670 --> 01:30:07.240
PG&E should use triple insulated wires
01:30:07.240 --> 01:30:10.410
with steel center able to
easily withstand branches falling
01:30:10.410 --> 01:30:14.060
on it and use arc interrupters
to stop the sparking
01:30:14.060 --> 01:30:15.713
before it even hits the ground.
01:30:17.070 --> 01:30:18.900
We should put the
money in fixing the wires,
01:30:18.900 --> 01:30:21.900
not taking down our
beautiful California forest
01:30:21.900 --> 01:30:24.423
that protects against
greenhouse gas emissions.
01:30:25.330 --> 01:30:28.150
Make PG&E be better
partners with the communities
01:30:28.150 --> 01:30:30.300
and help them choose renewable
01:30:30.300 --> 01:30:32.510
rather than the gas
generators they are choosing
01:30:32.510 --> 01:30:34.073
for PSPS events.
01:30:35.300 --> 01:30:38.140
PG&E needs to tell
people where they're going
01:30:38.140 --> 01:30:40.223
so that inspectors
can inspect their work.
01:30:40.223 --> 01:30:43.010
Jessica, this is
the conference operator.
01:30:43.010 --> 01:30:44.650
If you wish to join today's conference,
01:30:44.650 --> 01:30:48.440
please dial +1 800-857-1917
01:30:48.440 --> 01:30:53.010
and enter the passcode 9899501.
01:30:53.010 --> 01:30:55.660
And then once you're in
conference and can hear it,
01:30:55.660 --> 01:30:58.920
press star one if you would
like to make a comment.
01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:02.320
Operator, I'm sorry,
you interrupted Jennifer,
01:31:02.320 --> 01:31:04.397
who was speaking.
01:31:04.397 --> 01:31:07.982
Can you wait until the
speakers are completed
01:31:07.982 --> 01:31:09.650
to finish their remarks?
01:31:09.650 --> 01:31:11.613
Jennifer, would you like to continue?
01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:15.210
Yes, I know
where I left off. Thank you.
01:31:15.210 --> 01:31:16.830
Help PG&E choose renewable
01:31:16.830 --> 01:31:19.080
rather than the gas
generators they're choosing
01:31:19.080 --> 01:31:21.390
for PSPS events.
01:31:21.390 --> 01:31:23.150
PG&E needs to tell
people where they're going
01:31:23.150 --> 01:31:25.750
so inspectors can inspect their work.
01:31:25.750 --> 01:31:27.350
It's easy to get away with anything,
01:31:27.350 --> 01:31:30.570
cut any tree they feel like
when no one is watching.
01:31:30.570 --> 01:31:31.920
What is what they do?
01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:35.270
It's an endless, terrible, list
that needs CPUC oversight,
01:31:35.270 --> 01:31:37.713
which is not there the way it should be.
01:31:39.030 --> 01:31:43.470
The CPUC needs to tell PG&E
what to do rather than be told.
01:31:43.470 --> 01:31:44.303
Thank you very much.
01:31:44.303 --> 01:31:47.200
And thank you for allowing
us to make these comments.
01:31:47.200 --> 01:31:49.100
We really appreciate this opportunity.
01:31:50.260 --> 01:31:51.600
Thank you.
01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:53.963
Operator, now we
can take the next caller.
01:31:56.960 --> 01:31:59.753
And one moment
while I get that caller's name.
01:32:23.205 --> 01:32:26.497
Our next caller is Justice Sandoval.
01:32:26.497 --> 01:32:28.767
You may go ahead,
provide your organization.
01:32:29.757 --> 01:32:32.860
Hi, I'm just a
community member,
01:32:32.860 --> 01:32:35.080
a concerned community member,
01:32:35.080 --> 01:32:39.800
and I just wanted to
speak on agenda eight.
01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:43.890
I know that these
protections will help customers
01:32:43.890 --> 01:32:44.850
during this time,
01:32:44.850 --> 01:32:49.240
but I believe that we
need to do much more.
01:32:49.240 --> 01:32:53.440
So, my story is a lot like
the story of those around me,
01:32:53.440 --> 01:32:55.800
my friends, my community members,
01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:59.320
that my parents worked
minimum wage my entire childhood.
01:32:59.320 --> 01:33:01.607
So, it was really hard
for them to provide
01:33:01.607 --> 01:33:02.720
for three children.
01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:06.460
And there would be times
where utilities were turned off
01:33:06.460 --> 01:33:09.470
and we would be left in survival mode.
01:33:09.470 --> 01:33:12.740
Even me as a child would
be left on survival mode,
01:33:12.740 --> 01:33:15.350
wondering what our
next meal was going to be
01:33:15.350 --> 01:33:16.680
because our stove was off
01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:18.750
or where I'm going to
take a shower for school
01:33:18.750 --> 01:33:20.650
because our water is off.
01:33:20.650 --> 01:33:24.320
And it is unacceptable
that basic necessities
01:33:24.320 --> 01:33:26.670
like utilities can be
deprived to someone
01:33:26.670 --> 01:33:28.410
because of their income.
01:33:28.410 --> 01:33:33.410
So, I am urging you
to make better choices,
01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:35.240
to have the human experience
01:33:35.240 --> 01:33:37.490
in connecting with your customers
01:33:37.490 --> 01:33:39.680
and letting them know
ahead of time that they're
01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:42.090
at risk of being disconnected.
01:33:42.090 --> 01:33:46.860
And also, not just disconnecting
low income customers,
01:33:46.860 --> 01:33:48.460
because like I said,
01:33:48.460 --> 01:33:51.940
utilities are basic necessities
that everyone deserves,
01:33:51.940 --> 01:33:56.180
no matter the income and, you know,
01:33:56.180 --> 01:34:00.120
thank you so much for
this proposed decision.
01:34:00.120 --> 01:34:01.810
And I really look forward
to seeing what you do
01:34:01.810 --> 01:34:05.708
for our community, and
please do not let us down
01:34:05.708 --> 01:34:07.463
and thank you.
01:34:08.630 --> 01:34:10.340
Thank you very much.
01:34:10.340 --> 01:34:12.840
Operator, are there any
other callers on the line?
01:34:14.107 --> 01:34:16.820
Yes, our next
caller is from Bridget Palmer
01:34:16.820 --> 01:34:18.840
who is a citizen.
01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:19.690
You may go ahead.
01:34:21.240 --> 01:34:24.480
Hi. I'm from
Santa Rosa, California.
01:34:24.480 --> 01:34:27.200
And first of all, I just
really wanted to say,
01:34:27.200 --> 01:34:29.640
it was very touching
listening to you guys talk
01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:31.530
about George Floyd.
01:34:31.530 --> 01:34:33.543
And during that time of silence,
01:34:34.460 --> 01:34:38.330
what I really got in touch
with was that he had no voice,
01:34:38.330 --> 01:34:42.940
nobody cared, nobody
was listening to him.
01:34:42.940 --> 01:34:47.940
And that is what I feel is going
on in my own neighborhood.
01:34:48.890 --> 01:34:50.200
We live in a neighborhood
01:34:50.200 --> 01:34:53.853
that had very serious
fire damage in 2017.
01:34:54.990 --> 01:34:59.360
And now PG&E has moved
bunch of huge diesel generators
01:34:59.360 --> 01:35:03.930
into our neighborhood
without telling anyone here
01:35:03.930 --> 01:35:05.460
about them coming in,
01:35:05.460 --> 01:35:10.460
they're planning to tear up
the street and bury some lines.
01:35:10.770 --> 01:35:13.820
They just told us, just
someone on the street pulled up,
01:35:13.820 --> 01:35:16.940
but not any official information to us
01:35:16.940 --> 01:35:19.822
that they were going
to bury a power line
01:35:19.822 --> 01:35:22.360
that that was going to
send electricity away from us
01:35:22.360 --> 01:35:24.200
to another part of our city.
01:35:24.200 --> 01:35:26.900
But those of us that live
right here will not get any
01:35:26.900 --> 01:35:28.260
of that electricity.
01:35:28.260 --> 01:35:30.100
We all have wells.
01:35:30.100 --> 01:35:31.810
So, if they shut off the power,
01:35:31.810 --> 01:35:34.140
we will, once again,
have no electricity,
01:35:34.140 --> 01:35:37.160
but we'll have all the
smoke from the generators
01:35:37.160 --> 01:35:38.450
and the sound.
01:35:38.450 --> 01:35:41.230
And we all had to live with
the small generators we put in
01:35:41.230 --> 01:35:42.720
to survive last time.
01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:44.620
Now we're going to have
these huge generators
01:35:44.620 --> 01:35:46.440
right by our homes.
01:35:46.440 --> 01:35:49.920
And we've had absolutely
no communication about this.
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:53.760
PG&E did say that they
will come and meet with us,
01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:57.100
and explain things, now
that we're asking questions,
01:35:57.100 --> 01:35:59.957
but they should have put it
out there in the first place,
01:35:59.957 --> 01:36:02.410
telling the community that
there was a plan for this,
01:36:02.410 --> 01:36:04.100
taking public comment,
01:36:04.100 --> 01:36:07.810
taking our quality of life
issues into consideration,
01:36:07.810 --> 01:36:09.590
and none of that was done.
01:36:09.590 --> 01:36:12.640
So, I think a lot more
thought needs to go
01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:16.820
into this diesel generator program
01:36:16.820 --> 01:36:19.630
before millions and millions
of dollars are spent on it
01:36:19.630 --> 01:36:21.023
on a short term basis.
01:36:21.930 --> 01:36:23.990
And I guess that's all I have to say.
01:36:23.990 --> 01:36:25.730
Thank you for listening.
01:36:25.730 --> 01:36:28.580
Thank you, Bridget.
Appreciate that.
01:36:28.580 --> 01:36:30.343
Next caller, please operator.
01:36:31.539 --> 01:36:33.230
Our next
caller is Jessica Tovar
01:36:33.230 --> 01:36:35.550
with East Bay Clean Power Alliance.
01:36:35.550 --> 01:36:36.513
You may go ahead.
01:36:37.740 --> 01:36:39.400
Hi, this is Jessica
01:36:40.260 --> 01:36:43.150
and I actually wanted to speak out
01:36:43.150 --> 01:36:48.150
against these fossil fuel
microgrids from PG&E.
01:36:49.778 --> 01:36:50.611
First of all,
01:36:50.611 --> 01:36:54.040
it's absolutely ridiculous
after giving them a bail out,
01:36:54.040 --> 01:36:57.440
you're gonna allow them
to put dirty microgrids.
01:36:57.440 --> 01:37:01.240
We need to actually get more protections
01:37:01.240 --> 01:37:02.470
for community choice.
01:37:02.470 --> 01:37:07.470
My understanding is this is
kind of a backhanded favor
01:37:07.610 --> 01:37:12.610
to PG&E, allowing them to
sell energy to community choice.
01:37:13.290 --> 01:37:18.230
And I actually think that
this project is really ridiculous.
01:37:18.230 --> 01:37:21.390
The other thing is that
we should be exempting
01:37:21.390 --> 01:37:24.230
all these food banks and all
of our vulnerable communities
01:37:24.230 --> 01:37:25.950
from these power shut offs,
01:37:25.950 --> 01:37:28.670
but it should be done with clean energy.
01:37:28.670 --> 01:37:31.410
And I also want to address the issue
01:37:31.410 --> 01:37:33.880
on the resource adequacy
01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:35.680
because it interferes with the right
01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:38.830
of community choice agencies
01:37:38.830 --> 01:37:41.830
to actually procure energy for us,
01:37:41.830 --> 01:37:46.770
which we have local power to do so.
01:37:46.770 --> 01:37:49.930
And by taking that away to
give more power to PG&E,
01:37:51.240 --> 01:37:54.600
and we, I just think
that we need to do more
01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:57.670
if we're serious about
vulnerable communities,
01:37:57.670 --> 01:37:59.600
specifically black lives,
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:03.410
we would not be
enabling monopoly utilities
01:38:03.410 --> 01:38:06.443
to be bailed out, to
poison our communities,
01:38:07.580 --> 01:38:11.020
to actually burden them with more debt.
01:38:11.020 --> 01:38:15.540
I think that the CPUC
really should use their power
01:38:15.540 --> 01:38:19.600
to challenge PG&E instead
of giving them more power.
01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:23.120
We need to protect
community choice policy
01:38:23.120 --> 01:38:26.290
because it is our
power at the local level.
01:38:26.290 --> 01:38:28.140
We are doing everything we can
01:38:28.140 --> 01:38:30.620
to get our community choice program
01:38:30.620 --> 01:38:35.410
to invest in community
resiliency and clean energy.
01:38:35.410 --> 01:38:39.217
And we need to protect that policy
01:38:39.217 --> 01:38:42.377
and not enable these monopoly utilities
01:38:42.377 --> 01:38:45.570
to continue dumping on
our communities of color.
01:38:45.570 --> 01:38:46.540
Thank you.
01:38:46.540 --> 01:38:48.760
Thank you, Jessica.
01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:50.653
The next caller, please operator.
01:38:52.046 --> 01:38:54.090
Our next
caller is Harlow Pittenger
01:38:54.090 --> 01:38:55.993
with Sunrise, you may go ahead.
01:38:58.570 --> 01:39:01.150
Hi, thank
you, Commissioners.
01:39:01.150 --> 01:39:04.393
Yeah, I would like to speak
on the consent calendar
01:39:04.393 --> 01:39:06.288
item number three,
01:39:06.288 --> 01:39:08.793
the refinements to the
resource adequacy program.
01:39:10.345 --> 01:39:13.280
I would urge the
Commission to reject this
01:39:13.280 --> 01:39:15.800
because it is interfering
01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:18.260
with the right of the
community choice agencies
01:39:18.260 --> 01:39:20.650
to procure energy for their customers.
01:39:20.650 --> 01:39:25.650
And it's putting them in
competition with PG&E and SCE
01:39:26.310 --> 01:39:28.900
as the central procurement entities.
01:39:28.900 --> 01:39:31.290
So, I think (coughs)
01:39:31.290 --> 01:39:36.290
that this is going against the
community choice law AB 117,
01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:40.494
and it's really an unacceptable threat
01:39:40.494 --> 01:39:44.350
to these public agencies and their role.
01:39:44.350 --> 01:39:48.940
I also wanted to speak on the
regular agenda item number 28,
01:39:48.940 --> 01:39:53.530
this is referring to the
microgrid deployment proposal.
01:39:53.530 --> 01:39:55.480
And I also would
01:39:57.454 --> 01:39:59.680
encourage the Commission
to reject the proposal
01:39:59.680 --> 01:40:02.820
for the temporary generation
using diesel generators
01:40:04.340 --> 01:40:09.020
because they're a
dirty, polluting, fossil fuel.
01:40:09.020 --> 01:40:11.110
They're gonna increase
greenhouse gas emissions
01:40:11.110 --> 01:40:16.110
and affect local communities
with more pollutants.
01:40:16.870 --> 01:40:21.460
I really feel that that utilities
should be pursuing clean,
01:40:21.460 --> 01:40:24.970
renewable options,
energy storage and solar,
01:40:24.970 --> 01:40:27.950
which could be used to
meet these generation needs.
01:40:27.950 --> 01:40:32.760
And we should not be
using the same technologies
01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:35.670
which got us into this
mess, causing these wildfires,
01:40:35.670 --> 01:40:39.363
in order to help us
out during this time.
01:40:42.619 --> 01:40:43.452
Thank you.
01:40:45.080 --> 01:40:46.080
Thank you, Harlow.
01:40:47.180 --> 01:40:48.817
Operator, next caller please.
01:40:51.503 --> 01:40:53.370
Our next
caller is Francis Yang
01:40:53.370 --> 01:40:54.430
with Sierra Club.
01:40:54.430 --> 01:40:55.980
My turn.
You may go ahead.
01:40:57.410 --> 01:40:59.523
Hello. This is Francis.
01:41:01.030 --> 01:41:02.550
I first want to start
by saying thank you
01:41:02.550 --> 01:41:06.200
for holding space for Black
Lives Matter during this time.
01:41:06.200 --> 01:41:07.640
I also want to just raise, like,
01:41:07.640 --> 01:41:10.750
this has been kind of
a nightmare on our end
01:41:10.750 --> 01:41:12.120
to just give public comment.
01:41:12.120 --> 01:41:14.130
I think I've been
disconnected five times
01:41:14.130 --> 01:41:16.740
and I talked to the
operator twice I think.
01:41:16.740 --> 01:41:19.070
Just want to flag
that it's really difficult
01:41:19.070 --> 01:41:22.970
for folks who aren't
as tech savvy or patient
01:41:22.970 --> 01:41:26.370
to make sure that they can
actually get their voice heard.
01:41:26.370 --> 01:41:27.931
I'm specifically commenting-
Francis, I'm sorry,
01:41:27.931 --> 01:41:29.868
I'm sorry about that, we are,
01:41:29.868 --> 01:41:32.718
we have experienced some
difficulty today and we will be,
01:41:34.157 --> 01:41:35.747
we will be improving that connection
01:41:35.747 --> 01:41:39.300
and I apologize that
you had difficulties.
01:41:39.300 --> 01:41:40.133
Go ahead.
01:41:41.480 --> 01:41:42.400
Yeah, thank you.
01:41:42.400 --> 01:41:45.440
So, I'm actually commenting
on item number eight
01:41:45.440 --> 01:41:48.410
about disconnections and
I really want to thank you
01:41:48.410 --> 01:41:51.990
for putting along to go up.
01:41:51.990 --> 01:41:55.483
We're completely in favor
and approve of this decision,
01:41:56.330 --> 01:41:59.090
but really like we know
that we need to do more.
01:41:59.090 --> 01:42:02.220
We're all familiar with the
systemic injustices going on
01:42:02.220 --> 01:42:05.930
right now and have been
since the creation of this country.
01:42:05.930 --> 01:42:08.880
And now we see all of these
different issues cascading
01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:11.523
on top of each other
in crisis after crisis.
01:42:12.390 --> 01:42:13.370
And let's be real,
01:42:13.370 --> 01:42:15.460
the reality is people
are absolutely struggling.
01:42:15.460 --> 01:42:16.840
People are having decisions
01:42:16.840 --> 01:42:18.700
and conversations every single night,
01:42:18.700 --> 01:42:20.220
of whether they're
going to pay for rent,
01:42:20.220 --> 01:42:21.363
they're going to
pay for their utilities,
01:42:21.363 --> 01:42:23.290
they're going to pay for childcare,
01:42:23.290 --> 01:42:24.670
they're going to pay for food.
01:42:24.670 --> 01:42:27.030
And it's a completely unfair scenario
01:42:27.030 --> 01:42:29.980
that most of us
probably don't think about
01:42:29.980 --> 01:42:31.680
if we have that privilege.
01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:34.310
And so, that's why we
know that in this clarity
01:42:34.310 --> 01:42:36.700
and these decisions, we
have to take that initiative
01:42:36.700 --> 01:42:38.990
to do everything we
possibly can during this time
01:42:38.990 --> 01:42:41.630
to create relief and provide assistance
01:42:41.630 --> 01:42:43.600
so that everyday people can just live.
01:42:44.630 --> 01:42:47.010
In prop, or in this item,
01:42:47.010 --> 01:42:50.492
we know that the
disconnection rates are very high
01:42:50.492 --> 01:42:52.690
and we're really afraid
of what's going to happen
01:42:52.690 --> 01:42:54.490
if we don't take measures like this.
01:42:54.490 --> 01:42:55.970
However we know that we can do more.
01:42:55.970 --> 01:42:59.520
For example, right now
the decision only says
01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:02.897
that the utilities have
to contact the customers
01:43:02.897 --> 01:43:04.180
or get in touch with them.
01:43:04.180 --> 01:43:05.980
I think that's actually
the specific language,
01:43:05.980 --> 01:43:06.970
but we know
01:43:06.970 --> 01:43:08.750
that they should actually
have an affirmative duty
01:43:08.750 --> 01:43:11.230
to contact customers
at risk of disconnection
01:43:11.230 --> 01:43:12.870
and explain every single program
01:43:12.870 --> 01:43:14.810
that'll help them get out of that rut
01:43:14.810 --> 01:43:17.363
so that they don't go
into debt vicious cycles.
01:43:18.760 --> 01:43:20.340
Furthermore, I think that we need
01:43:20.340 --> 01:43:22.320
to expand the bill assistance
programs right now.
01:43:22.320 --> 01:43:23.670
From what I understand,
01:43:23.670 --> 01:43:25.760
even if you qualify for
both CARE and FERA,
01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:29.350
you only get up to
40% of your bill covered
01:43:29.350 --> 01:43:33.410
and people were getting
checks, or bills, at $250, $300,
01:43:33.410 --> 01:43:36.040
regularly, with no
consultation or explanation
01:43:36.040 --> 01:43:37.570
of what exactly that is.
01:43:37.570 --> 01:43:41.550
40% is not very much during these times.
01:43:41.550 --> 01:43:44.810
We have to make sure
that people are more eligible
01:43:44.810 --> 01:43:45.900
to receive these programs
01:43:45.900 --> 01:43:48.600
and they actually get more
money from these programs.
01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:49.910
Thank you.
01:43:49.910 --> 01:43:52.040
Thank you, Francis.
01:43:52.040 --> 01:43:53.960
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:43:55.667 --> 01:43:58.410
Our next
caller is Harvey Eder
01:43:58.410 --> 01:44:00.983
with Public Solar Power Coalition.
01:44:01.910 --> 01:44:02.760
You may go ahead.
01:44:04.690 --> 01:44:05.910
Hello, I'm Harvey Eder,
01:44:05.910 --> 01:44:07.830
I'm with the Public
Solar Power Coalition.
01:44:07.830 --> 01:44:09.740
This process is illegal.
01:44:09.740 --> 01:44:12.650
There was nothing online
to tell me how to speak.
01:44:12.650 --> 01:44:14.750
This is just news that
I'm speaking, okay.
01:44:17.380 --> 01:44:21.460
The overview here is that
public power's on its way out
01:44:21.460 --> 01:44:25.534
and investor owned
utility's on its way out
01:44:25.534 --> 01:44:27.970
and public power is on its way in.
01:44:27.970 --> 01:44:32.650
We started in Santa
Cruz in the end of '73
01:44:32.650 --> 01:44:35.190
with the Santa Cruz
Alternate Energy Co-op,
01:44:35.190 --> 01:44:36.730
a spoof on the AEC.
01:44:38.195 --> 01:44:40.247
I would incorporate by
reference our consulting contract
01:44:42.030 --> 01:44:44.810
with the PUC low income
solar equity program,
01:44:44.810 --> 01:44:47.600
where we talked about this 40 years ago,
01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:49.870
it was not followed up by the PUC.
01:44:49.870 --> 01:44:52.780
We're proposing that
the PUC take this up now.
01:44:52.780 --> 01:44:55.290
Also Cal ISO, four or five years ago,
01:44:55.290 --> 01:44:59.150
we went to 'em with paying for our solar
01:44:59.150 --> 01:45:00.010
to go out of state.
01:45:00.010 --> 01:45:04.490
And we made a proposal to
deal with the debt, the curve,
01:45:04.490 --> 01:45:05.610
the duct curve.
01:45:05.610 --> 01:45:08.130
We were totally slammed by them.
01:45:08.130 --> 01:45:10.703
Totally illegal. This
is what's happening.
01:45:12.952 --> 01:45:17.470
So, there's, where is Bill
917 to take over PG&E?
01:45:17.470 --> 01:45:22.230
This has gotta be expanded
into Edison's area and done,
01:45:22.230 --> 01:45:24.270
with the Governor
and with local corrupts,
01:45:24.270 --> 01:45:27.810
the 22 entities that signed
the law, working with,
01:45:27.810 --> 01:45:32.810
with Eric, to do local
co-ops and with the state
01:45:33.710 --> 01:45:35.070
to take over PG&E.
01:45:35.070 --> 01:45:38.130
They're on their way
out. This is climate.
01:45:38.130 --> 01:45:39.653
This is a vector. This is SARS three.
01:45:39.653 --> 01:45:42.580
Everything I'm saying is
copyrighted by the way,
01:45:42.580 --> 01:45:44.140
by me, Harvey Eder and PSPC.
01:45:45.323 --> 01:45:47.720
We had SARS one 20 years ago,
01:45:47.720 --> 01:45:51.300
in '12, we had MERS, which
is from that's the camels,
01:45:51.300 --> 01:45:53.280
and it was 34% death rate.
01:45:53.280 --> 01:45:54.333
Now we've got SARS three.
01:45:54.333 --> 01:45:57.480
This COVID stuff is
trying to get, you know,
01:45:57.480 --> 01:46:00.520
Trump to not to get
responsibility for it.
01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:04.012
We are in litigation with the state
01:46:04.012 --> 01:46:06.840
and the federal government
EPA over the solar new deal
01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:10.360
and the 16 plan from the
Governor to the president on down.
01:46:10.360 --> 01:46:12.360
And it's in federal and state court
01:46:12.360 --> 01:46:15.240
that run out of Ninth Circuit
on the 3rd of December
01:46:15.240 --> 01:46:18.000
by the FBI and the federal marshals
01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:20.650
under threat of imprisonment
under cover of authority.
01:46:20.650 --> 01:46:22.460
This is garbage. This is not America.
01:46:22.460 --> 01:46:25.010
I will not stand next to you folks.
01:46:25.010 --> 01:46:27.620
I was, I worked with Sylvia Seagull
01:46:27.620 --> 01:46:29.337
back in the early '70s, the only,
01:46:29.337 --> 01:46:32.864
the first solar job in Santa
Cruz County, '77, '78,
01:46:32.864 --> 01:46:36.502
entitled EC Solar, et cetera, okay?
01:46:36.502 --> 01:46:38.919
(bell rings)
01:46:40.344 --> 01:46:42.150
I don't know what
that buzzer means, but,
01:46:42.150 --> 01:46:45.310
That means,
the bell that rings,
01:46:45.310 --> 01:46:48.713
that tells you that you've
hit, that your time is up.
01:46:50.440 --> 01:46:52.848
Okay. Well, I
didn't have my time to start.
01:46:52.848 --> 01:46:55.910
And I wanted to talk on three,
eight and public comments.
01:46:55.910 --> 01:46:58.251
So, I want to be open for
public comments as well.
01:46:58.251 --> 01:46:59.548
Thank you.
01:46:59.548 --> 01:47:00.381
Thank you.
This is illegal,
01:47:00.381 --> 01:47:01.637
violates the Brown Act, et cetera.
01:47:01.637 --> 01:47:04.163
And my civil liberty, rights.
01:47:06.360 --> 01:47:07.193
Thank you.
01:47:08.080 --> 01:47:09.803
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:47:13.339 --> 01:47:14.557
President Batjer,
there are no more parties
01:47:14.557 --> 01:47:17.057
in the public comment
telephone line at this time.
01:47:18.978 --> 01:47:19.811
Okay well,
01:47:22.421 --> 01:47:23.254
are there others
01:47:23.254 --> 01:47:25.550
that have had difficulty
calling in, operator?
01:47:28.600 --> 01:47:30.010
We have had some parties
01:47:30.010 --> 01:47:33.543
who have pressed star
zero instead of star one.
01:47:35.160 --> 01:47:36.430
Okay.
01:47:36.430 --> 01:47:37.263
Thank you.
01:47:40.197 --> 01:47:41.890
Check the email.
01:47:41.890 --> 01:47:42.890
Yeah. Okay.
01:47:42.890 --> 01:47:44.010
All right.
01:47:44.010 --> 01:47:46.647
With no more callers on the line,
01:47:46.647 --> 01:47:49.370
the public comment period is now closed.
01:47:49.370 --> 01:47:50.573
Thank you operator.
01:47:52.405 --> 01:47:56.370
And before I begin with
the agenda changes,
01:47:56.370 --> 01:47:58.830
which is the next item
on our agenda today,
01:47:58.830 --> 01:48:01.830
I believe Commissioner Randolph
would like to make a motion?
01:48:05.210 --> 01:48:06.976
Thank you, President Batjer.
01:48:06.976 --> 01:48:07.809
Oops.
01:48:09.783 --> 01:48:12.960
Sorry, I muted the wrong,
I unmuted the wrong thing.
01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:14.990
Okay, I would like to make a motion
01:48:14.990 --> 01:48:19.637
to move consent items three
and eight to the regular agenda.
01:48:20.760 --> 01:48:22.393
Second.
Okay.
01:48:22.393 --> 01:48:24.157
Is there a second to that motion?
01:48:25.970 --> 01:48:27.500
I second.
01:48:27.500 --> 01:48:28.333
Okay.
01:48:28.333 --> 01:48:31.720
It's been moved and seconded
to move items three and eight
01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:35.833
from the consent agenda
to the regular agenda.
01:48:37.250 --> 01:48:39.500
Could you please call
the roll, agenda clerk?
01:48:41.120 --> 01:48:43.110
Commissioner Shiroma?
01:48:43.110 --> 01:48:44.570
Aye.
01:48:44.570 --> 01:48:46.401
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
01:48:46.401 --> 01:48:48.143
Aye.
01:48:48.143 --> 01:48:49.771
Commissioner Randolph?
01:48:49.771 --> 01:48:51.263
Aye.
01:48:51.263 --> 01:48:53.179
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
01:48:53.179 --> 01:48:54.392
Aye.
01:48:54.392 --> 01:48:55.225
And President Batjer?
01:48:56.230 --> 01:48:57.480
Aye.
01:48:57.480 --> 01:49:00.390
Thank you. The vote is unanimous.
01:49:00.390 --> 01:49:02.633
Turning now to the agenda changes.
01:49:04.650 --> 01:49:06.750
Item number five will be held
01:49:06.750 --> 01:49:10.800
until our July 16th Commission meeting.
01:49:10.800 --> 01:49:15.800
Item six will be held until
the June 25th meeting.
01:49:16.240 --> 01:49:19.830
Item seven will be held
until the June 25th meeting.
01:49:19.830 --> 01:49:23.630
Item 12 will be held until
the July 16th meeting.
01:49:23.630 --> 01:49:28.510
Item 17 will be held until
the June 25th meeting.
01:49:28.510 --> 01:49:32.090
Item 29 will be taken up
on the consent agenda.
01:49:32.090 --> 01:49:37.090
Item 31 will be held until
the July 16th meeting.
01:49:37.840 --> 01:49:41.720
Item 38 will be taken up
on the consent agenda
01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:45.893
and item 39 will be taken
up on the June 25th agenda.
01:49:48.140 --> 01:49:50.410
We will now take up the consent items.
01:49:50.410 --> 01:49:51.883
Is there a motion?
01:49:52.850 --> 01:49:53.683
So moved.
01:49:54.660 --> 01:49:55.753
And a second please?
Second.
01:49:56.620 --> 01:49:58.427
I'll second.
It's moved.
01:49:58.427 --> 01:50:01.274
(laughs) It's been moved and seconded.
01:50:01.274 --> 01:50:03.483
Will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
01:50:05.200 --> 01:50:08.186
For the consent item,
Commissioner Shiroma?
01:50:08.186 --> 01:50:09.650
Aye.
01:50:09.650 --> 01:50:11.850
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
01:50:11.850 --> 01:50:13.510
Aye.
01:50:13.510 --> 01:50:15.533
Commissioner Randolph?
01:50:15.533 --> 01:50:16.366
Aye.
01:50:17.464 --> 01:50:19.374
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
01:50:19.374 --> 01:50:20.866
Aye.
01:50:20.866 --> 01:50:22.570
And President Batjer?
01:50:22.570 --> 01:50:23.550
Aye.
01:50:23.550 --> 01:50:24.383
Thank you.
01:50:25.420 --> 01:50:27.560
I believe Commissioner
Shiroma would like
01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:30.380
to make some remarks on item 16,
01:50:30.380 --> 01:50:32.320
the San Diego Gas Electric Company
01:50:32.320 --> 01:50:35.223
default residential rate
seasonal differential.
01:50:36.430 --> 01:50:40.100
Yes. Thank you President
Batjer and everyone.
01:50:40.100 --> 01:50:45.100
Since March, the Commission
has made a number of decisions,
01:50:46.210 --> 01:50:49.960
actions, letters, and vote outs
01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:54.030
to provide for relief
during the pandemic.
01:50:54.030 --> 01:50:59.030
And we just voted out another
one on the consent calendar.
01:50:59.220 --> 01:51:03.770
It's item 16, and it
approves a decision
01:51:03.770 --> 01:51:08.050
to permanently reduce
the seasonal differential
01:51:08.900 --> 01:51:13.660
in San Diego Gas and
Electric's default residential time
01:51:13.660 --> 01:51:14.773
of use rate.
01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:19.630
This will have the possible
effect of reducing summer bills
01:51:19.630 --> 01:51:24.130
by 4% to 5% for most
San Diego Gas and Electric
01:51:24.130 --> 01:51:27.390
residential customers starting July 1.
01:51:27.390 --> 01:51:30.860
And again, the Commission
has done a series
01:51:30.860 --> 01:51:33.420
of different actions to provide relief
01:51:33.420 --> 01:51:35.280
for California customers.
01:51:35.280 --> 01:51:37.000
In this case, this has to do
01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:39.330
with San Diego Gas and Electric.
01:51:39.330 --> 01:51:41.060
It is the third decision
01:51:41.060 --> 01:51:44.260
affecting San Diego
Gas Electric customers,
01:51:44.260 --> 01:51:47.300
all geared again
towards providing bill relief
01:51:47.300 --> 01:51:48.780
during these turbulent times.
01:51:48.780 --> 01:51:49.870
The previous two
01:51:49.870 --> 01:51:53.550
that we voted out were
the temporary reduction
01:51:53.550 --> 01:51:56.130
of the high usage charge
01:51:56.130 --> 01:51:59.200
and the removal of
the seasonal differential
01:51:59.200 --> 01:52:03.180
for those customers in San
Diego Gas Electric's territory
01:52:03.180 --> 01:52:04.900
on tiered rates.
01:52:04.900 --> 01:52:08.680
And I would like to thank my
advisor, Marie Claire Brown,
01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:13.030
and wholeheartedly thank
Judge Patrick Doherty
01:52:13.030 --> 01:52:17.110
for his very, very lightening
fast, detail oriented, work
01:52:17.110 --> 01:52:19.270
on this decision and the previous ones
01:52:19.270 --> 01:52:22.570
so that they would be voted out timely.
01:52:22.570 --> 01:52:23.403
Thank you.
01:52:25.660 --> 01:52:28.010
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma.
01:52:28.010 --> 01:52:30.660
Are there any other comments
on the consent calendar?
01:52:31.810 --> 01:52:33.270
Okay, seeing none,
01:52:33.270 --> 01:52:36.610
we will now take up the
regular agenda items.
01:52:36.610 --> 01:52:41.610
We will begin with item number three,
01:52:42.600 --> 01:52:45.213
which is Commissioner Randolph's.
01:52:46.670 --> 01:52:47.950
Thank you, President Batjer.
01:52:47.950 --> 01:52:49.630
I am presenting item three,
01:52:49.630 --> 01:52:51.210
which is a proposed decision
01:52:51.210 --> 01:52:53.490
that adopts implementation details
01:52:53.490 --> 01:52:56.340
for the central procurement
of the Commission's
01:52:56.340 --> 01:53:00.410
multi-year local resource
adequacy procurement requirement
01:53:00.410 --> 01:53:04.580
to begin for the 2023 compliance year.
01:53:04.580 --> 01:53:07.730
This decision is the result
of a significant amount
01:53:07.730 --> 01:53:10.210
of thought, effort, comments,
01:53:10.210 --> 01:53:13.250
interaction from a
broad range of parties,
01:53:13.250 --> 01:53:16.650
including the utilities,
other load serving entities,
01:53:16.650 --> 01:53:20.460
such as TCAs and
energy service providers,
01:53:20.460 --> 01:53:22.247
the CAISO, environmental,
01:53:22.247 --> 01:53:24.870
and environmental
justice advocacy groups,
01:53:24.870 --> 01:53:26.670
rate payer advocacy groups,
01:53:26.670 --> 01:53:30.450
distributed energy resources,
developers, generators,
01:53:30.450 --> 01:53:31.833
and Commission staff.
01:53:32.910 --> 01:53:35.880
In our June 2018
decision, we directed parties
01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:38.930
to propose central
procurement structures.
01:53:38.930 --> 01:53:41.150
In our February, 2019 decision,
01:53:41.150 --> 01:53:43.680
we evaluated those proposals.
01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:46.680
Acknowledging a lack of
consensus among the parties
01:53:46.680 --> 01:53:48.160
I mentioned earlier,
01:53:48.160 --> 01:53:51.500
we directed parties to
undertake a series of workshops
01:53:51.500 --> 01:53:54.390
to develop workable
implementation solutions
01:53:54.390 --> 01:53:57.663
for central procurement
of multi-year local RA.
01:53:58.690 --> 01:54:00.270
Seven workshops later,
01:54:00.270 --> 01:54:02.883
and several rounds of
reports and comments,
01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:07.190
we are here with a central
procurement framework
01:54:07.190 --> 01:54:09.493
for local multi-year RA.
01:54:10.780 --> 01:54:14.470
Some of the parties did enter
into a settlement agreement.
01:54:14.470 --> 01:54:17.370
They originally
proposed a residual model
01:54:17.370 --> 01:54:22.370
where individual LSEs would
procure all resource adequacy
01:54:22.520 --> 01:54:24.950
and the central buyer
would merely procure
01:54:24.950 --> 01:54:27.820
any leftover residual amounts.
01:54:27.820 --> 01:54:29.270
We were concerned, however,
01:54:29.270 --> 01:54:32.230
that this would result in
resource adequacy capacity
01:54:32.230 --> 01:54:36.020
being purchased that did
not meet the reliability needs
01:54:36.020 --> 01:54:38.800
and thus would be ineffective capacity
01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:42.340
that would then have to be
repurchased by the central buyer
01:54:42.340 --> 01:54:44.483
and lead to increased customer costs.
01:54:45.390 --> 01:54:48.530
Instead, we pivoted to
limiting the central buyer only
01:54:48.530 --> 01:54:51.340
to local RA, which
would leave other LSEs
01:54:51.340 --> 01:54:54.483
to procure their remaining
system and select RA.
01:54:55.430 --> 01:54:57.760
This framework
designates a central buyer
01:54:57.760 --> 01:55:00.920
to procure local multi-year RA
01:55:00.920 --> 01:55:03.890
in the PG&E and
Edison service territories.
01:55:03.890 --> 01:55:06.760
We did not include San
Diego Gas and Electric
01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:08.420
in the frame, in this framework,
01:55:08.420 --> 01:55:11.760
because all RA in their
territory serves as vocal,
01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:13.550
both local and systems,
01:55:13.550 --> 01:55:16.963
and that would leave no
capacity for other LSEs to procure.
01:55:17.800 --> 01:55:20.440
We still have an important
aspect of this framework
01:55:20.440 --> 01:55:21.750
to hammer out.
01:55:21.750 --> 01:55:24.778
Parties have requested that the
Commission consider a system
01:55:24.778 --> 01:55:28.070
to allow LSEs to receive
credit for resources
01:55:28.070 --> 01:55:31.970
they develop themselves
that could serve as local RA.
01:55:31.970 --> 01:55:33.250
The Commission is open
01:55:33.250 --> 01:55:35.700
to considering a compensation mechanism
01:55:35.700 --> 01:55:38.750
for local capacity
requirement reductions
01:55:38.750 --> 01:55:42.317
that are achieved through
shown local resources by LSE.
01:55:43.321 --> 01:55:44.230
To that end,
01:55:44.230 --> 01:55:47.120
we direct a working group
to develop such a mechanism
01:55:47.120 --> 01:55:50.600
and consider the treatment
of existing contracts.
01:55:50.600 --> 01:55:53.820
We want to receive that
proposal by September 1st
01:55:53.820 --> 01:55:56.310
and assuming such a
mechanism can be developed,
01:55:56.310 --> 01:56:00.100
we can do a proposed decision
to add it to the framework.
01:56:01.042 --> 01:56:03.290
As we discuss in this
decision, it is critical
01:56:03.290 --> 01:56:05.650
that this mechanism
considers the effectiveness
01:56:05.650 --> 01:56:07.660
of the resources procured.
01:56:07.660 --> 01:56:09.970
I'm confident that the
working group can develop
01:56:09.970 --> 01:56:13.130
implementation details
using the parameters set out
01:56:13.130 --> 01:56:14.313
in the decision.
01:56:15.340 --> 01:56:17.360
I also think it's
important to address one
01:56:17.360 --> 01:56:19.910
of the concerns raised
about this decision,
01:56:19.910 --> 01:56:22.220
that it will somehow
retard the development
01:56:22.220 --> 01:56:25.210
of preferred resources for local RA.
01:56:25.210 --> 01:56:26.530
The purpose of the decision is
01:56:26.530 --> 01:56:29.950
to create the necessary
single entity purchasing power
01:56:29.950 --> 01:56:31.330
for local RA.
01:56:31.330 --> 01:56:33.690
Having numerous
entities buying small strips
01:56:33.690 --> 01:56:37.123
of RA is not cost effective
and creates market concerns.
01:56:38.240 --> 01:56:39.100
But there's no reason why
01:56:39.100 --> 01:56:41.380
this purchasing power cannot be used
01:56:41.380 --> 01:56:44.083
to procure preferred resources.
01:56:45.180 --> 01:56:46.720
In fact, some of the best examples
01:56:46.720 --> 01:56:50.080
of battery storage projects
have been procured
01:56:50.080 --> 01:56:53.640
either jointly between IOUs and CCAs
01:56:53.640 --> 01:56:58.240
or by IOUs, including the
Oakland energy project,
01:56:58.240 --> 01:57:01.370
PG&E's battery storage
project to meet reliability needs
01:57:01.370 --> 01:57:03.450
in the Moss Landing area
01:57:03.450 --> 01:57:05.850
and the Edison
projects to meet reliability
01:57:05.850 --> 01:57:07.960
in the more park sub area.
01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:11.840
As the decision discusses
in numerous places,
01:57:11.840 --> 01:57:14.520
we expect preferred
resources to be procured
01:57:14.520 --> 01:57:16.773
to meet these needs as much as possible.
01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:20.410
I do want to note that
Senator Wiener sent a letter
01:57:20.410 --> 01:57:22.370
asking working group to consider
01:57:22.370 --> 01:57:24.904
whether load modifying
resources can be used
01:57:24.904 --> 01:57:28.113
to reduce the LCR requirements for LSEs.
01:57:29.006 --> 01:57:31.310
That is beyond the scope
of the working group,
01:57:31.310 --> 01:57:32.630
which is not looking at how
01:57:32.630 --> 01:57:35.680
to define resource adequacy capacity
01:57:35.680 --> 01:57:38.040
or how to count resources.
01:57:38.040 --> 01:57:42.150
So, I don't recommend that
we add his requested language.
01:57:42.150 --> 01:57:44.640
The parties in the proceeding
have raised similar issues
01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:48.930
in both tracks two and the
upcoming track three however.
01:57:48.930 --> 01:57:51.910
Thus far, we have been
unable to give LSEs more credit
01:57:51.910 --> 01:57:54.470
than their peak load for
behind the meter batteries
01:57:54.470 --> 01:57:56.350
because CAISO does not have the ability
01:57:56.350 --> 01:57:58.603
to see and call those resources.
01:57:59.740 --> 01:58:00.940
And of course,
01:58:00.940 --> 01:58:03.000
load modifying readings
sources are included
01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:07.280
in the forecast which is used
to determine LSE's LCR needs.
01:58:07.280 --> 01:58:09.630
So, behind the meter resources do
01:58:09.630 --> 01:58:12.600
reduce local resource needs.
(computer notification rings)
01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:15.430
But we have not had
this conversation fully
01:58:15.430 --> 01:58:19.120
about how to completely
develop the opportunity
01:58:19.120 --> 01:58:20.970
for behind the meter resources.
01:58:20.970 --> 01:58:23.440
And we do have phase
three of this proceeding
01:58:23.440 --> 01:58:26.700
to consider other
changes to the RA program.
01:58:26.700 --> 01:58:30.330
So, that seems to be an
appropriate vehicle to ask parties
01:58:30.330 --> 01:58:32.180
for their thoughts on this topic
01:58:32.180 --> 01:58:34.133
and to discuss those issues further.
01:58:35.170 --> 01:58:37.730
I want to thank all the parties
for the tremendous effort
01:58:37.730 --> 01:58:39.400
and engagement in this proceeding.
01:58:39.400 --> 01:58:42.690
And I look forward to continuing to work
01:58:42.690 --> 01:58:46.010
as we pursue refinements
to the RA program
01:58:46.010 --> 01:58:48.080
to address reliability needs,
01:58:48.080 --> 01:58:50.640
load migration and market power,
01:58:50.640 --> 01:58:53.430
as well as meeting our
greenhouse gas goals
01:58:53.430 --> 01:58:54.583
at affordable cost.
01:58:55.970 --> 01:58:59.160
I'd like to thank Administrative
Law Judge Debbie Chiv,
01:58:59.160 --> 01:59:02.500
who has been absolutely
outstanding on this proceeding,
01:59:02.500 --> 01:59:05.530
our brilliant and tireless
energy division RA team
01:59:05.530 --> 01:59:08.850
and management, Jamie
Gannon, Simone Grant,
01:59:08.850 --> 01:59:13.320
Michelle Quito, Judith Eclay,
Pete Scala and Ed Randolph,
01:59:13.320 --> 01:59:15.020
who've all rolled up their sleeves
01:59:15.020 --> 01:59:19.320
to tackle a seemingly unending
amount of challenging issues.
01:59:19.320 --> 01:59:22.680
Our legal advisors, Elizabeth
Dorman and Jack Mulligan.
01:59:22.680 --> 01:59:25.570
My BK partner, President
Batjer, and her advisor,
01:59:25.570 --> 01:59:29.380
David Peck, my former
chief of staff, Rachel Peterson,
01:59:29.380 --> 01:59:32.130
my current chief of
staff, Christine Powell,
01:59:32.130 --> 01:59:36.080
and my stalwart RA
advisor Onend Dravasilla.
01:59:36.080 --> 01:59:39.583
Thank you and I ask you for
your support of this decision.
01:59:40.630 --> 01:59:42.860
Thank you,
Commissioner Randolph.
01:59:42.860 --> 01:59:45.613
Are there any comments
on item number three?
01:59:47.310 --> 01:59:48.470
Yes.
01:59:48.470 --> 01:59:50.173
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
01:59:55.353 --> 01:59:56.340
(Marybel laughs)
01:59:56.340 --> 01:59:59.380
I was, I'm muting
the wrong one as well.
01:59:59.380 --> 02:00:00.840
Thank you, President Batjer
02:00:00.840 --> 02:00:03.630
and thank you very much
Commissioner Randolph
02:00:03.630 --> 02:00:06.510
for all of your tremendous
work on this decision
02:00:06.510 --> 02:00:08.155
and all of the parties
02:00:08.155 --> 02:00:12.473
and all of the staff and judges
that you have mentioned.
02:00:13.860 --> 02:00:15.240
It really has been
02:00:17.433 --> 02:00:20.650
a great challenge to
develop what the structure
02:00:20.650 --> 02:00:23.700
of this central procurement
entity should look like
02:00:23.700 --> 02:00:24.707
and take on.
02:00:24.707 --> 02:00:27.360
And we're still going
to be developing it.
02:00:27.360 --> 02:00:31.390
I certainly agree that
the reliability challenges
02:00:31.390 --> 02:00:33.980
that we face today are real
02:00:33.980 --> 02:00:36.650
and that the ISO
continues to act in haste
02:00:36.650 --> 02:00:40.040
to attempt solutions
that are not sustainable.
02:00:40.040 --> 02:00:42.640
The need to thwart the current tactics
02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:45.930
of certain gas generators to extort more
02:00:45.930 --> 02:00:50.830
of rate payers is ultimately
the justification for me
02:00:50.830 --> 02:00:52.990
for the need for this purchasing power
02:00:52.990 --> 02:00:55.293
of this central procurement entity.
02:00:56.490 --> 02:00:58.870
However, I have grave concerns,
02:00:58.870 --> 02:01:02.160
many of which we heard
today from the public
02:01:02.160 --> 02:01:04.800
that while we create this entity
02:01:04.800 --> 02:01:06.363
to balance the power,
02:01:07.580 --> 02:01:09.270
not to use a pun there,
02:01:09.270 --> 02:01:11.560
we do need to keep the future in mind,
02:01:11.560 --> 02:01:13.093
the clean energy future.
02:01:14.090 --> 02:01:15.930
And I agree that the loading order,
02:01:15.930 --> 02:01:19.540
one person mentioned on
the call from the public today,
02:01:19.540 --> 02:01:21.490
that the removing order
02:01:21.490 --> 02:01:25.490
on this competitive did
structure is insufficient.
02:01:25.490 --> 02:01:28.660
There needs to be localized
and collaborative planning
02:01:28.660 --> 02:01:31.513
by all LSEs in a local area.
02:01:32.410 --> 02:01:35.200
And though this decision
does not limit the LSEs
02:01:35.200 --> 02:01:37.640
from engaging in this local planning,
02:01:37.640 --> 02:01:41.960
it leaves it to the organic
evolution of LSE partnership,
02:01:41.960 --> 02:01:43.223
which is very rare.
02:01:44.160 --> 02:01:46.230
Although, as you noted
Commissioner Randolph,
02:01:46.230 --> 02:01:47.223
it can happen.
02:01:48.230 --> 02:01:51.070
I fear that without a
requirement for this planning
02:01:51.070 --> 02:01:53.190
and ultimately the joint procurement
02:01:54.210 --> 02:01:57.810
that although we're
managing for this counterforce
02:01:57.810 --> 02:02:01.427
to the RMRs, we may
not avoid what I fear
02:02:01.427 --> 02:02:05.733
in the future is another
request to extend the OTCs.
02:02:07.570 --> 02:02:09.990
It's ironic I think that I'm not asking
02:02:09.990 --> 02:02:11.463
for the CPE to do less.
02:02:11.463 --> 02:02:14.433
I am asking for the CPE to do more.
02:02:15.460 --> 02:02:17.070
To that end,
02:02:17.070 --> 02:02:19.590
I appreciate the PDs
commitment to explore
02:02:19.590 --> 02:02:22.330
how the CPE may have an important role
02:02:22.330 --> 02:02:25.660
in ensuring the orderly
retirement of the gas fleet
02:02:25.660 --> 02:02:29.120
in local areas, which is as you know,
02:02:29.120 --> 02:02:30.863
about half of the state's use.
02:02:31.900 --> 02:02:34.760
I urge the working group
to bring back proposals
02:02:34.760 --> 02:02:38.870
that will leverage the
CPE's local RA focus
02:02:38.870 --> 02:02:41.070
and develop pathways to transition
02:02:41.070 --> 02:02:43.743
to more localized clean generation.
02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:47.783
I look forward to what
is yielded in next phases.
02:02:48.638 --> 02:02:50.853
And I look forward to
supporting this today.
02:02:52.610 --> 02:02:54.850
Thank you, Commissioner
Guzman Aceves.
02:02:54.850 --> 02:02:58.720
Are there any other comments
on item number three?
02:02:58.720 --> 02:03:01.990
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma.
02:03:01.990 --> 02:03:03.870
Yes. Thank you,
President Batjer.
02:03:03.870 --> 02:03:08.408
And immense thanks to
Commissioner Randolph
02:03:08.408 --> 02:03:12.870
and Judge Chiv and the
resource adequacy team,
02:03:12.870 --> 02:03:17.870
for the hard work on balancing
stakeholder perspectives
02:03:17.930 --> 02:03:22.480
when establishing the central
buyer procurement framework.
02:03:22.480 --> 02:03:24.440
I especially appreciate the efforts made
02:03:24.440 --> 02:03:27.850
to consider the impact
of procurement decisions
02:03:27.850 --> 02:03:29.980
on disadvantaged communities
02:03:29.980 --> 02:03:33.530
and the framework that the team
02:03:33.530 --> 02:03:36.370
with Commissioner Randolph's leadership
02:03:36.370 --> 02:03:41.170
to provide for a future of opportunity
02:03:42.630 --> 02:03:45.150
and through resource adequacy
02:03:45.150 --> 02:03:50.150
and towards making a step in speeding
02:03:50.350 --> 02:03:53.240
towards a greener future
as we're making steps
02:03:53.240 --> 02:03:57.110
in various other proceedings
for our talks in the future.
02:03:57.110 --> 02:04:00.193
So, I will be supporting
this decision. Thank you.
02:04:01.440 --> 02:04:02.894
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:04:02.894 --> 02:04:05.561
Yes. Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:04:07.020 --> 02:04:08.680
Thank you Commissioner Randolph
02:04:08.680 --> 02:04:10.670
for leading this proceeding,
02:04:10.670 --> 02:04:13.120
which has been extremely
difficult and complex
02:04:13.120 --> 02:04:18.120
over several years, Judge
Chiv, and also the RA team.
02:04:18.550 --> 02:04:21.400
We've been wrestling
with this particular question
02:04:21.400 --> 02:04:24.540
of a central procurement
entity for a year and a half
02:04:24.540 --> 02:04:26.290
or two years now.
02:04:26.290 --> 02:04:28.490
And it's been very challenging.
02:04:28.490 --> 02:04:30.910
In a perfect world, we might,
02:04:30.910 --> 02:04:32.940
we wouldn't need a
central procurement entity
02:04:32.940 --> 02:04:37.940
and maybe down the road,
hopefully down the road, we won't.
02:04:38.060 --> 02:04:42.120
I am convinced that for now to have,
02:04:42.120 --> 02:04:44.220
as Commissioner Randolph said,
02:04:44.220 --> 02:04:48.770
efficient and low cost and
an effective procurement
02:04:48.770 --> 02:04:51.200
of resource adequacy in local areas.
02:04:51.200 --> 02:04:53.974
We need some kind
of central collaboration,
02:04:53.974 --> 02:04:55.493
centralization rather.
02:04:57.650 --> 02:05:00.030
The thorniest issue for me is one
02:05:00.030 --> 02:05:01.970
that many commentators raised
02:05:01.970 --> 02:05:05.730
and it's the issue of local autonomy.
02:05:05.730 --> 02:05:09.800
And I very much support
and respect the desire,
02:05:09.800 --> 02:05:14.800
especially of the
ECAs for that autonomy.
02:05:15.040 --> 02:05:16.910
I had been hopeful throughout
02:05:16.910 --> 02:05:20.190
that a full residual model,
02:05:20.190 --> 02:05:23.580
that Commissioner Randolph
indicated was a consideration
02:05:23.580 --> 02:05:28.420
that we could get to a point
where that would be developed,
02:05:28.420 --> 02:05:30.850
but despite a lot of effort,
02:05:30.850 --> 02:05:34.260
no model came forward that
could overcome the concerns
02:05:34.260 --> 02:05:38.049
that were outlined in the decision.
02:05:38.049 --> 02:05:40.830
So, in light of that, I
think this decision strikes
02:05:40.830 --> 02:05:45.830
what's an acceptable balance
between local autonomy,
02:05:46.360 --> 02:05:51.360
and making sure that
we procure enough RA
02:05:52.190 --> 02:05:54.520
through essential procurement entity
02:05:54.520 --> 02:05:58.883
to avoid very expensive
backstop procurement.
02:06:00.280 --> 02:06:01.320
I want to especially thank you,
02:06:01.320 --> 02:06:03.470
Commissioner Randolph and Judge Chiv
02:06:03.470 --> 02:06:07.840
for including the revisions
Commissioner Randolph mentioned,
02:06:07.840 --> 02:06:10.950
which is a commitment to explore
02:06:10.950 --> 02:06:15.630
and develop a financial
compensation mechanism
02:06:16.570 --> 02:06:19.130
so that load serving
entities that invest
02:06:19.130 --> 02:06:23.870
in preferred local resources,
which is what we want here,
02:06:23.870 --> 02:06:26.593
are fairly compensated
for these investments.
02:06:27.435 --> 02:06:30.970
It's very complicated, it's tricky,
02:06:30.970 --> 02:06:35.470
but this decision says we
will try to figure out a way
02:06:35.470 --> 02:06:37.520
to do that, which I
very much appreciate.
02:06:38.409 --> 02:06:40.084
As Commissioner Randolph
02:06:40.084 --> 02:06:43.380
and Commissioner Guzman
Aceves mentions as well,
02:06:43.380 --> 02:06:46.490
the decision paves the way
02:06:46.490 --> 02:06:49.660
for the central procurement entity
02:06:49.660 --> 02:06:54.660
to start planning for the
orderly retirement of gas plants.
02:06:55.890 --> 02:06:58.910
We've all recognized
that this is essential
02:06:58.910 --> 02:07:03.333
for achieving our longer
term climate goals,
02:07:04.450 --> 02:07:06.920
and I want to specifically
point out another provision
02:07:06.920 --> 02:07:10.870
and that was changed from
the first draft of the decision.
02:07:10.870 --> 02:07:14.900
The decision has been revised
to discourage gas procurement
02:07:14.900 --> 02:07:17.440
beyond three years.
02:07:17.440 --> 02:07:20.520
It now requires that an
independent evaluator has
02:07:20.520 --> 02:07:24.940
to approve contracts that
extend to years four and five.
02:07:24.940 --> 02:07:26.510
Thank you again, I will be voting
02:07:26.510 --> 02:07:28.013
in support of this decision.
02:07:30.190 --> 02:07:33.060
Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
02:07:33.060 --> 02:07:36.150
I briefly want to add
my thanks and my voice
02:07:36.150 --> 02:07:39.130
to my fellow Commissioners,
agreeing with many of,
02:07:39.130 --> 02:07:42.220
if not, all of the comment just made.
02:07:42.220 --> 02:07:44.800
I'd like to start by thanking
Commissioner Randolph
02:07:44.800 --> 02:07:48.060
for her incredible,
my agli team partner,
02:07:48.060 --> 02:07:52.450
for her incredible leadership
on this complex, difficult,
02:07:52.450 --> 02:07:55.460
but very important decision.
02:07:55.460 --> 02:08:00.460
And I also add my
thanks to ALJ Debbie Chiv
02:08:00.550 --> 02:08:04.220
and the energy staff,
the entire RA team.
02:08:04.220 --> 02:08:06.300
And I'd like to add my personal thanks
02:08:06.300 --> 02:08:08.003
to my advisor, Dave Peck.
02:08:09.040 --> 02:08:11.490
I appreciate the enormity
and the complexity
02:08:11.490 --> 02:08:13.930
of developing a central buyer system
02:08:13.930 --> 02:08:15.260
and have deep respect for the efforts
02:08:15.260 --> 02:08:17.810
that you all have put in here.
02:08:17.810 --> 02:08:18.740
I also would like to add
02:08:18.740 --> 02:08:20.327
that this is not the final chapter,
02:08:20.327 --> 02:08:22.400
as Commissioner Randolph said,
02:08:22.400 --> 02:08:25.300
for the central procurement
entity methodology.
02:08:25.300 --> 02:08:27.870
The decision correctly recognizes
02:08:27.870 --> 02:08:29.270
that there are important details
02:08:29.270 --> 02:08:32.830
that still require more
process and collaboration,
02:08:32.830 --> 02:08:35.550
as my fellow Commissioners
have commented.
02:08:35.550 --> 02:08:36.973
The decision correctly,
02:08:38.190 --> 02:08:39.180
it is critical
02:08:39.180 --> 02:08:41.810
that the solution provides
financial incentives
02:08:41.810 --> 02:08:44.770
as has been mentioned
for the load serving entities
02:08:44.770 --> 02:08:48.197
to continue to invest in
clean energy solutions
02:08:48.197 --> 02:08:51.530
and to maintain fairness
between market participants
02:08:51.530 --> 02:08:53.600
procuring those resources.
02:08:53.600 --> 02:08:55.290
I appreciate the changes
that were included
02:08:55.290 --> 02:08:57.110
in revision one BD.
02:08:57.110 --> 02:08:58.930
First, the requirement
of the working group
02:08:58.930 --> 02:09:00.680
to develop a mechanism
02:09:00.680 --> 02:09:03.030
that properly compensates
load serving entities
02:09:03.030 --> 02:09:05.880
for the local resources they procure
02:09:05.880 --> 02:09:07.090
as has been mentioned.
02:09:07.090 --> 02:09:10.410
It is important that all
LSEs are incentivized
02:09:10.410 --> 02:09:13.440
to participate in the
state's clean energy future
02:09:13.440 --> 02:09:16.273
and to avoid duplicated
procurement costs,
02:09:17.190 --> 02:09:18.680
as has also been mentioned.
02:09:18.680 --> 02:09:21.070
Second, I support the
proposed decision change
02:09:21.070 --> 02:09:23.120
to further develop the
safeguards associated
02:09:23.120 --> 02:09:27.890
with the distribution
utilities acting as CPEs
02:09:27.890 --> 02:09:30.630
in order to mitigate
conflict of interest
02:09:30.630 --> 02:09:32.850
and anti-competitive concerns
02:09:32.850 --> 02:09:35.310
and to maximize transparency.
02:09:35.310 --> 02:09:39.160
Essential buyer methodology
that works for all LSEs
02:09:39.160 --> 02:09:41.987
in a fair and efficient
manner is the goal.
02:09:41.987 --> 02:09:43.028
But to get there,
02:09:43.028 --> 02:09:46.580
we require a good faith
effort and collaboration
02:09:46.580 --> 02:09:48.300
by all the parties and staff.
02:09:48.300 --> 02:09:51.150
I look forward to engaging
further on these issues
02:09:51.150 --> 02:09:55.008
as they progress and I will
be supporting this item today.
02:09:55.008 --> 02:09:56.443
Any other final comments?
02:09:57.630 --> 02:09:59.150
Okay.
02:09:59.150 --> 02:10:00.890
Item number three.
02:10:00.890 --> 02:10:04.150
Will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
02:10:04.150 --> 02:10:07.079
For item number
three, Commissioner Shiroma?
02:10:07.079 --> 02:10:08.829
Aye.
02:10:08.829 --> 02:10:10.960
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
02:10:10.960 --> 02:10:11.793
Aye.
02:10:12.990 --> 02:10:14.913
Commissioner Randolph?
02:10:14.913 --> 02:10:15.746
Aye.
02:10:17.141 --> 02:10:19.000
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
02:10:19.000 --> 02:10:20.630
Yes.
02:10:20.630 --> 02:10:22.692
President Batjer?
02:10:22.692 --> 02:10:24.730
Aye. Thank you.
02:10:24.730 --> 02:10:26.780
The vote is unanimous.
02:10:26.780 --> 02:10:29.423
We will now move to item number eight,
02:10:30.260 --> 02:10:33.217
presented by Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:10:34.863 --> 02:10:36.363
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:10:38.280 --> 02:10:42.083
I am very, very happy
today to present this,
02:10:42.083 --> 02:10:46.100
a decision that has taken
us a couple of years to get to.
02:10:46.100 --> 02:10:48.800
And it's a nice little glimmer of hope
02:10:48.800 --> 02:10:50.950
in such a difficult time
02:10:50.950 --> 02:10:52.903
that we've been having here in society.
02:10:54.000 --> 02:10:56.740
First, I want to thank my partner,
02:10:56.740 --> 02:10:59.023
Commissioner Randolph and her.
02:11:28.970 --> 02:11:31.360
And just extremely professional
02:11:31.360 --> 02:11:33.430
to all members of the public.
02:11:33.430 --> 02:11:35.870
And it's something
that I really treasure
02:11:35.870 --> 02:11:37.940
from his participation
02:11:37.940 --> 02:11:40.720
and the way he made it possible
02:11:40.720 --> 02:11:43.800
for so many members
of the public to participate
02:11:43.800 --> 02:11:46.573
who rarely get the
chance in our proceedings.
02:11:47.820 --> 02:11:49.400
To that, and I also want
02:11:49.400 --> 02:11:51.071
to thank the public advisor's office
02:11:51.071 --> 02:11:55.650
who made many of
these workshops possible.
02:11:55.650 --> 02:11:58.570
We have multiple workshops,
02:11:58.570 --> 02:12:03.280
I think it was a total of
six throughout the state.
02:12:03.280 --> 02:12:06.010
As you know, this is a
quasi legislative proceeding,
02:12:06.010 --> 02:12:08.250
and that was a conscious decision
02:12:08.250 --> 02:12:10.880
so that we could have public engagement
02:12:10.880 --> 02:12:13.890
and not have the public have to worry
02:12:13.890 --> 02:12:17.833
about how to file an ex parte
notice for public comments
02:12:17.833 --> 02:12:20.720
that they would want
to make on the proposal.
02:12:20.720 --> 02:12:24.270
Anyway, particularly want to
shut out to Love and Fodge,
02:12:24.270 --> 02:12:28.190
who made many of these
workshops particularly easy
02:12:28.190 --> 02:12:29.520
for the public.
02:12:29.520 --> 02:12:31.020
And they were at most of them.
02:12:32.070 --> 02:12:36.410
I want to thank my former
chief of staff, Adenike Adeyeye,
02:12:36.410 --> 02:12:40.430
who many of you remember
was tremendous in my office
02:12:40.430 --> 02:12:43.330
and a huge loss for this institution.
02:12:43.330 --> 02:12:46.920
My former assistant chief
of staff, Marina MacLatchie,
02:12:46.920 --> 02:12:49.070
who I'll speak of later because she,
02:12:49.070 --> 02:12:50.360
although she's not in my office,
02:12:50.360 --> 02:12:52.880
she is still with us
here at the Commission.
02:12:52.880 --> 02:12:56.270
And finally my new advisor, Justin Song
02:12:56.270 --> 02:13:00.690
who has spent endless hours
as he kind of just was baptized
02:13:00.690 --> 02:13:02.363
into this proceeding.
02:13:03.840 --> 02:13:06.460
I want to thank the energy
division for all of their work.
02:13:06.460 --> 02:13:08.140
Particularly Bruce Benshiro,
02:13:08.140 --> 02:13:13.140
who also has a rotating
staff during this proceeding.
02:13:13.146 --> 02:13:15.743
And really the staff
02:13:15.743 --> 02:13:19.020
that helped us the most from
energy division is now over
02:13:19.020 --> 02:13:24.020
at public advocates, Jenelle
Sue, who, Janelle is just,
02:13:24.288 --> 02:13:26.920
did over the top amount of work
02:13:26.920 --> 02:13:29.520
in really analyzing the customer impact
02:13:29.520 --> 02:13:32.300
and the demographics of the customers.
02:13:32.300 --> 02:13:34.440
And most recently Antike Jaen,
02:13:34.440 --> 02:13:38.800
who has been also a huge
help in getting us to this point
02:13:38.800 --> 02:13:42.320
and the team from legal, Ed
Moroski and Candace Morey,
02:13:42.320 --> 02:13:44.503
who also were a tremendous help.
02:13:45.360 --> 02:13:46.490
Okay.
02:13:46.490 --> 02:13:50.477
I also just, you know, some of us,
02:13:50.477 --> 02:13:54.590
the recognition of our
staff and the work is,
02:13:54.590 --> 02:13:56.220
I've talked to my staff about this,
02:13:56.220 --> 02:13:58.280
is difficult for me
because I really want
02:13:58.280 --> 02:14:01.390
to thank the folks who do
not get paid to do the work
02:14:01.390 --> 02:14:05.650
that we're doing and the
amount of organizations
02:14:05.650 --> 02:14:07.740
who took the time to participate.
02:14:07.740 --> 02:14:09.950
I want to just recognize them.
02:14:09.950 --> 02:14:13.750
I want to recognize Fathers
and Families, Stockton,
02:14:13.750 --> 02:14:15.010
based in Stockton,
02:14:15.010 --> 02:14:18.680
the Stockton Economic
Empowerment Development, excuse me,
02:14:18.680 --> 02:14:21.520
demonstration project by Mayor Tubbs,
02:14:21.520 --> 02:14:24.260
the Alameda County
Public Health Department,
02:14:24.260 --> 02:14:28.230
the Poverello House in Fresno
that houses the homeless,
02:14:28.230 --> 02:14:32.580
Center de Familia, Fresno
Center for New Americans,
02:14:32.580 --> 02:14:35.000
Central Valley Urban Institute,
02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:37.687
the Central Coast Energy
Services in Monterrey
02:14:37.687 --> 02:14:40.360
who hosted us in Salinas,
02:14:40.360 --> 02:14:43.883
Section Community Services
who hosted us in Hayward,
02:14:44.960 --> 02:14:48.220
the San Bernardino
Community Action Partnership
02:14:48.220 --> 02:14:50.440
who hosted us in San Bernardino,
02:14:50.440 --> 02:14:53.473
Catholic Charities of San
Bernardino and Riverside Counties,
02:14:54.660 --> 02:14:56.200
Pastor Lawrence Van Hook
02:14:56.200 --> 02:14:58.720
from the Community Church in Oakland,
02:14:58.720 --> 02:15:00.840
the Housing Long Beach.
02:15:00.840 --> 02:15:03.300
And in some of our
more traditional parties
02:15:03.300 --> 02:15:06.084
who assisted many of
these local organizations
02:15:06.084 --> 02:15:08.250
in getting their voices heard,
02:15:08.250 --> 02:15:12.850
the California Low Income
Consumer Coalition, Turn,
02:15:12.850 --> 02:15:17.730
You Can, C for AP, National
Consumer Law Center
02:15:17.730 --> 02:15:20.310
and the Utility Workers Union of America
02:15:20.310 --> 02:15:24.640
who had a particularly
interesting of testimony
02:15:24.640 --> 02:15:25.846
as we went through the state
02:15:25.846 --> 02:15:29.830
and really spoke of the
reality of the implementation
02:15:29.830 --> 02:15:31.033
of some of our rules.
02:15:32.650 --> 02:15:35.733
And finally, I want
to thank the utilities.
02:15:36.920 --> 02:15:40.000
This was a really engaged process.
02:15:40.000 --> 02:15:42.753
They brought all of their
folks who are on the front lines,
02:15:42.753 --> 02:15:44.490
who are managing,
02:15:44.490 --> 02:15:49.290
making the tough calls,
have developed algorithms.
02:15:49.290 --> 02:15:50.920
These folks who participated
02:15:50.920 --> 02:15:54.220
from the utilities know their customers.
02:15:54.220 --> 02:15:55.383
They know the trends,
02:15:57.060 --> 02:16:00.680
they know some of the typical scenarios.
02:16:00.680 --> 02:16:03.670
They know what works,
they know what doesn't work.
02:16:03.670 --> 02:16:05.750
And we had a lot of tough conversations
02:16:05.750 --> 02:16:08.160
about some of the
ideological differences
02:16:08.160 --> 02:16:12.090
about the purpose of disconnecting
02:16:12.090 --> 02:16:14.430
and really some of
the hard conversations
02:16:14.430 --> 02:16:18.420
that were had face to face
from some of these communities,
02:16:18.420 --> 02:16:22.287
organizations who represent
individual customers,
02:16:22.287 --> 02:16:23.600
and customers at large.
02:16:23.600 --> 02:16:26.020
And some of the
perspectives from the utilities
02:16:26.020 --> 02:16:27.990
and I really want to thank them.
02:16:27.990 --> 02:16:31.566
I think they came with many
of their own recommendations
02:16:31.566 --> 02:16:36.566
and solutions and they
had a tough job in the room
02:16:37.020 --> 02:16:39.550
to constantly defend why they needed
02:16:39.550 --> 02:16:41.930
to collect people's stuff.
02:16:41.930 --> 02:16:45.370
So, I want to thank them for
continuing to show up during
02:16:45.370 --> 02:16:48.453
those very, very difficult
decisions, discussions.
02:16:49.560 --> 02:16:52.230
And finally, I want to recognize one
02:16:52.230 --> 02:16:55.710
of our renewed
partnerships with our state,
02:16:55.710 --> 02:16:58.850
our sister agency the CSD,
02:16:58.850 --> 02:17:01.450
the community services
and development department
02:17:01.450 --> 02:17:04.134
and the leadership
there of Jason Wimbley,
02:17:04.134 --> 02:17:05.760
Aselmia Brit, Debra Brown,
02:17:05.760 --> 02:17:09.120
Kathy Andrey and David Scribner.
02:17:09.120 --> 02:17:12.110
All of them have, as you know,
02:17:12.110 --> 02:17:15.700
lead the LIHEAP program
for the State of California,
02:17:15.700 --> 02:17:19.250
have a, hopefully a renewed relationship
02:17:19.250 --> 02:17:23.737
with the agility partnership
under our new MOU.
02:17:24.680 --> 02:17:27.830
They have a different
relationship, more collaborative,
02:17:27.830 --> 02:17:31.750
more efficient, and really
for us to continue to learn
02:17:31.750 --> 02:17:34.817
and be adaptive, especially
in a time of COVID,
02:17:34.817 --> 02:17:36.000
to the needs of customers.
02:17:36.000 --> 02:17:39.460
So, I want to thank
CSD for all their time
02:17:39.460 --> 02:17:42.823
that they've spent and are
continuing to share with us.
02:17:44.780 --> 02:17:46.770
I know we heard a lot today.
02:17:46.770 --> 02:17:50.740
There's been, maybe
another silver lining of COVID
02:17:51.594 --> 02:17:54.270
is that we have new organizations
02:17:54.270 --> 02:17:56.620
and old organizations starting to look
02:17:56.620 --> 02:18:01.010
at some of these critical
issues with fresh and new ideas.
02:18:01.010 --> 02:18:05.033
Today we heard from Sierra
Club, East Yard Communities.
02:18:06.020 --> 02:18:07.260
We received a letter,
02:18:07.260 --> 02:18:09.700
a separate letter from
many organizations
02:18:09.700 --> 02:18:12.610
that some of which participated today,
02:18:12.610 --> 02:18:14.203
to ask for more,
02:18:14.203 --> 02:18:16.832
to ask for us to do more for customers,
02:18:16.832 --> 02:18:19.310
to go beyond what we
have in this proposal.
02:18:19.310 --> 02:18:21.300
And I really want to invite them
02:18:21.300 --> 02:18:24.860
to participate in the continued
phases of this proceeding
02:18:24.860 --> 02:18:27.570
where we will be looking at more ideas
02:18:27.570 --> 02:18:29.850
and potentially more relief,
02:18:29.850 --> 02:18:33.933
such as a call for more
debt relief for customers.
02:18:36.770 --> 02:18:39.160
Something also with COVID
that I think we all know,
02:18:39.160 --> 02:18:41.830
as has been pointed out, you know,
02:18:41.830 --> 02:18:42.880
the health disparities
02:18:42.880 --> 02:18:46.830
that we knew existed today are
more pronounced with COVID,
02:18:46.830 --> 02:18:49.647
the economic disparities
that existed pre-COVID,
02:18:49.647 --> 02:18:52.110
are more pronounced with COVID.
02:18:52.110 --> 02:18:55.750
Prior to COVID, one
in five utility customers
02:18:55.750 --> 02:18:58.830
in California could be disconnected.
02:18:58.830 --> 02:19:01.650
One in five, that's 20% of Californians
02:19:01.650 --> 02:19:05.430
could have been
disconnected prior to COVID,
02:19:05.430 --> 02:19:10.430
with COVID those same
customers have a higher propensity
02:19:11.210 --> 02:19:14.410
to be disconnected and even more.
02:19:14.410 --> 02:19:18.947
So, this problem obviously
has been not a new one,
02:19:18.947 --> 02:19:21.940
but it's one that, fortunately,
02:19:21.940 --> 02:19:26.100
given the proceeding and the
wherewithal of the legislature
02:19:26.100 --> 02:19:29.090
to tell us to start
look at this in 2017,
02:19:29.090 --> 02:19:33.650
in 2017 Senator Wessel, to SP 598,
02:19:33.650 --> 02:19:36.980
directed us to establish
02:19:36.980 --> 02:19:41.551
by 2024 a reduction in disconnection
02:19:41.551 --> 02:19:45.540
and his impetus behind his call for us
02:19:45.540 --> 02:19:48.770
to do this is that
disconnections were continuing
02:19:48.770 --> 02:19:52.890
to rise even though
unemployment was continuing
02:19:52.890 --> 02:19:55.040
to decrease at that time.
02:19:55.040 --> 02:19:59.090
And so, some of the
things that we feel are,
02:19:59.090 --> 02:20:01.200
they were, obviously,
02:20:01.200 --> 02:20:03.690
we would assume those
to be correlated positively
02:20:03.690 --> 02:20:04.523
and they were not.
02:20:04.523 --> 02:20:07.423
And so, this was a
call for us to look at this.
02:20:08.840 --> 02:20:13.840
In mid 2018, we were
able to open this proceeding
02:20:14.720 --> 02:20:16.600
and soon thereafter,
02:20:16.600 --> 02:20:18.330
we started to host
all of these workshops
02:20:18.330 --> 02:20:20.390
throughout the state.
(computer notification rings)
02:20:20.390 --> 02:20:24.400
And as you know, we did
have an interim decision
02:20:24.400 --> 02:20:29.180
that did establish some
interim protections,
02:20:29.180 --> 02:20:30.970
some of which we're making permanent,
02:20:30.970 --> 02:20:32.470
which I'll talk about shortly.
02:20:33.740 --> 02:20:34.602
And the other thing,
02:20:34.602 --> 02:20:39.602
just to reiterate everything
that we've talked about today
02:20:41.370 --> 02:20:44.480
with Black Lives
Matter in particular is,
02:20:44.480 --> 02:20:48.860
is some of the work that
Janelle did to analyze the data.
02:20:48.860 --> 02:20:52.220
She's found that
residential disconnections
02:20:52.220 --> 02:20:55.360
were positively correlated most highly
02:20:55.360 --> 02:20:58.000
with certain demographics,
02:20:58.000 --> 02:21:02.440
low income families, Latino
residents, black residents,
02:21:02.440 --> 02:21:07.440
disabled residents, renters,
number of heating degree days,
02:21:07.917 --> 02:21:10.570
so, people with hot climates,
02:21:10.570 --> 02:21:12.337
and the number of cooling degree days.
02:21:12.337 --> 02:21:14.493
So, people with extreme cold,
02:21:15.540 --> 02:21:16.640
the highest coefficient
02:21:16.640 --> 02:21:20.150
among all of those were black customers,
02:21:20.150 --> 02:21:22.223
by a multitude of 11.
02:21:24.150 --> 02:21:28.190
It's another reality
that we have not just
02:21:29.140 --> 02:21:32.530
in this kind of unveiling
of our reality here,
02:21:32.530 --> 02:21:36.350
another fact, a hard
fact, that our systems,
02:21:36.350 --> 02:21:39.710
although we may not have
consciously done it this way,
02:21:39.710 --> 02:21:42.710
are yielding a very
discriminatory result,
02:21:42.710 --> 02:21:45.223
especially for black Californians.
02:21:48.730 --> 02:21:51.200
I, with that, I think we,
02:21:51.200 --> 02:21:54.150
we've taken some of these
measures to try to address it.
02:21:54.150 --> 02:21:57.270
So, let me get to some
of the interim rules
02:21:57.270 --> 02:21:58.873
that we have made permanent.
02:22:00.040 --> 02:22:03.070
We made the baseline
for the reduction goals,
02:22:03.070 --> 02:22:06.460
we needed to know what we
were reducing from, if you will,
02:22:06.460 --> 02:22:11.140
for 2024, we established
that to be the year 2017.
02:22:11.140 --> 02:22:12.773
The year the statute was passed.
02:22:13.620 --> 02:22:17.010
We made permanent the
extreme weather conditions
02:22:17.010 --> 02:22:21.600
that essentially capture
extreme heat and extreme cold.
02:22:23.800 --> 02:22:26.750
We have, we had,
02:22:26.750 --> 02:22:29.630
an evolution and this I really credit
02:22:29.630 --> 02:22:32.190
to my BK partner, Commissioner Randolph.
02:22:32.190 --> 02:22:33.417
You heard many of the,
02:22:33.417 --> 02:22:37.250
of our public comment talk
about vulnerable customers.
02:22:37.250 --> 02:22:38.680
We had to establish a framework
02:22:38.680 --> 02:22:42.640
to protect vulnerable
customers in two core ways.
02:22:42.640 --> 02:22:44.770
One is to make sure
that they were enrolled
02:22:44.770 --> 02:22:47.180
in all of the eligible
public service programs
02:22:47.180 --> 02:22:49.120
that they were eligible for.
02:22:49.120 --> 02:22:50.850
And secondly, that they'd be given
02:22:50.850 --> 02:22:53.813
a longer term payment plan of 12 months.
02:22:54.772 --> 02:22:57.790
And we got really interesting
feedback from folks.
02:22:57.790 --> 02:23:01.957
One set of feedback was
from utilities that thought,
02:23:01.957 --> 02:23:03.757
"Well, how are you going
to check people's age?
02:23:03.757 --> 02:23:05.487
"We have the 65 and older.
02:23:05.487 --> 02:23:07.010
"We have the one year old,"
02:23:07.010 --> 02:23:09.030
and there was a lot of concern
02:23:09.030 --> 02:23:13.180
about the administration
of being able to look through
02:23:13.180 --> 02:23:16.180
and figure out, we had
a section eight provision
02:23:16.180 --> 02:23:21.180
to protect some folks who
were, had public housing,
02:23:21.360 --> 02:23:24.660
that could lead, a
disconnection could lead
02:23:24.660 --> 02:23:26.700
to them losing their housing.
02:23:26.700 --> 02:23:30.250
And so rather, and
then as you heard today,
02:23:30.250 --> 02:23:31.820
we've heard from many people.
02:23:31.820 --> 02:23:33.630
I spoke to a legislator in fact,
02:23:33.630 --> 02:23:37.330
who called me to request
that we include older children,
02:23:37.330 --> 02:23:39.683
not just children under one years old.
02:23:40.670 --> 02:23:43.320
And so, we stepped back,
02:23:43.320 --> 02:23:44.610
and thanks to Commissioner Randolph,
02:23:44.610 --> 02:23:48.680
had a proposal to
apply it across the board,
02:23:48.680 --> 02:23:51.810
apply it across, the
protection across the board,
02:23:51.810 --> 02:23:55.140
not just for the
efficiency for the utility,
02:23:55.140 --> 02:23:58.040
but to provide this greater protection
02:23:58.040 --> 02:23:59.780
for more Californians.
02:23:59.780 --> 02:24:04.660
So, the provision of a longer
term 12 month payment plan has
02:24:04.660 --> 02:24:08.130
to be afforded to a customer
before they're disconnected.
02:24:08.130 --> 02:24:09.993
That will be for all customers.
02:24:12.160 --> 02:24:13.850
The other, there's so
many smaller things
02:24:13.850 --> 02:24:16.342
that really I credit to the knowledge
02:24:16.342 --> 02:24:19.700
of the CSD local service providers.
02:24:19.700 --> 02:24:21.310
Some of these include
02:24:21.310 --> 02:24:25.520
that if they have a pledge
from CSD through LIHEAP,
02:24:25.520 --> 02:24:28.500
that the customer not be disconnected,
02:24:28.500 --> 02:24:30.410
that they receive a notice,
02:24:30.410 --> 02:24:34.123
that they received the ability
to pay their payment plan
02:24:34.123 --> 02:24:36.330
with their regular bill.
02:24:36.330 --> 02:24:37.873
Very simple things like this.
02:24:41.720 --> 02:24:43.140
I also want to just,
02:24:44.480 --> 02:24:46.760
want to highlight a
couple of other provisions,
02:24:46.760 --> 02:24:49.680
as you know, Commissioner Rechtschaffen
02:24:49.680 --> 02:24:51.140
as well as President Batjer
02:24:51.140 --> 02:24:53.750
and Commissioner Randolph
have all been really leaders
02:24:53.750 --> 02:24:57.010
on really developing more enforcement,
02:24:57.010 --> 02:24:59.760
administrative enforcement,
here at the Commission.
02:24:59.760 --> 02:25:01.100
And one of the provisions
02:25:01.100 --> 02:25:05.770
in the decisions does direct
our utility enforcement branch
02:25:05.770 --> 02:25:10.650
to develop a citation
program for disconnection.
02:25:10.650 --> 02:25:13.330
And honestly, with the
feedback we've been getting
02:25:13.330 --> 02:25:15.850
from cab on what's happening,
02:25:15.850 --> 02:25:18.570
continuing to happen,
today with our customers,
02:25:18.570 --> 02:25:22.110
there's a clear need to
have enforcement provisions
02:25:22.110 --> 02:25:25.760
of even the moratorium
that we have in place today.
02:25:25.760 --> 02:25:27.863
So, I'm very happy to see that that
02:25:27.863 --> 02:25:29.483
that provision is in here.
02:25:30.610 --> 02:25:32.020
Perhaps one of the other things
02:25:32.020 --> 02:25:35.370
that we took the
opportunity to try to mind shift
02:25:35.370 --> 02:25:39.100
on the policy side with this PD was
02:25:39.100 --> 02:25:43.930
to really move away
from punitive measures
02:25:43.930 --> 02:25:45.900
that we had in the past
02:25:45.900 --> 02:25:49.350
to try to deter customers
from doing things
02:25:49.350 --> 02:25:51.510
and really eliminate those
02:25:51.510 --> 02:25:54.970
and reform a structure
into something that was
02:25:54.970 --> 02:25:58.060
for the customer,
assisting the customer,
02:25:58.060 --> 02:26:01.680
recognizing that the
customer wants to pay their bill.
02:26:01.680 --> 02:26:03.250
And so, there's a series of measures,
02:26:03.250 --> 02:26:06.420
including the elimination
of all establishment
02:26:06.420 --> 02:26:10.770
and reestablishment deposits
of all reconnection fees.
02:26:10.770 --> 02:26:13.980
And again, although
these are really impacting
02:26:13.980 --> 02:26:16.860
only a small percentage of customers
02:26:16.860 --> 02:26:19.380
between 3% and 4% of customers,
02:26:19.380 --> 02:26:21.963
we have a huge impact
on those customers' lives.
02:26:22.860 --> 02:26:27.230
We have also facilitated
that more professionals
02:26:27.230 --> 02:26:28.750
like physicians assistants
02:26:28.750 --> 02:26:32.680
and other qualified medical
professionals can verify
02:26:32.680 --> 02:26:34.640
that medically vulnerable customers are
02:26:34.640 --> 02:26:36.500
in fact more vulnerable
02:26:36.500 --> 02:26:38.690
and include the ability
for them to do that
02:26:38.690 --> 02:26:39.983
in an electronic way.
02:26:41.207 --> 02:26:45.900
We also changed another
circumstance that again,
02:26:45.900 --> 02:26:48.612
impacts a very small
percentage of customers,
02:26:48.612 --> 02:26:50.950
less than 2% of customers,
02:26:50.950 --> 02:26:53.630
have a term called
the benefit of service,
02:26:53.630 --> 02:26:58.630
when somebody inherits the
bill of the previous resident.
02:26:58.760 --> 02:27:02.840
And this again is really
putting the burden on the utility
02:27:02.840 --> 02:27:04.390
and believing the customer.
02:27:04.390 --> 02:27:06.923
The customer is who the
customer says they are.
02:27:08.340 --> 02:27:10.143
Finally, perhaps the
two greatest measures
02:27:10.143 --> 02:27:13.920
that are included here are
the arrears management plan
02:27:13.920 --> 02:27:16.140
and the furtherance
02:27:16.140 --> 02:27:18.363
of the percentage of
income payment plan.
02:27:19.230 --> 02:27:22.880
The arrears management plan is a program
02:27:22.880 --> 02:27:26.250
that will allow low income customers
02:27:26.250 --> 02:27:28.860
to receive debt forgiveness
02:27:28.860 --> 02:27:31.960
for paying their current bill on time
02:27:31.960 --> 02:27:36.180
and it will work in that every
bill that they pay on time,
02:27:36.180 --> 02:27:38.940
1/12th of their debt will be forgiven.
02:27:38.940 --> 02:27:42.840
And so, after a year's
worth of timely payment,
02:27:42.840 --> 02:27:45.300
their entire debt will be forgiven.
02:27:45.300 --> 02:27:48.910
And as you heard today on
the phone, there are really,
02:27:48.910 --> 02:27:53.100
there are customers who
can get tremendously behind
02:27:53.100 --> 02:27:56.650
with thousands of dollars
of debt in a summer.
02:27:56.650 --> 02:27:58.460
It can happen so quickly,
02:27:58.460 --> 02:28:00.637
particularly in areas
like the Inland Empire
02:28:00.637 --> 02:28:02.350
and the Central Valley,
02:28:02.350 --> 02:28:07.140
where hot summer bills
can yield $500 a month.
02:28:07.140 --> 02:28:10.860
But this, this is again a renewed way
02:28:10.860 --> 02:28:14.660
of looking at our customer,
of assisting our customer.
02:28:14.660 --> 02:28:18.380
That same customer that
is trying to pay their bill,
02:28:18.380 --> 02:28:21.630
but continuously is
trying to get out of water.
02:28:21.630 --> 02:28:23.580
We heard from the utilities
02:28:23.580 --> 02:28:27.350
that of their three
months payment plans,
02:28:27.350 --> 02:28:32.350
well over 80% of those get
extended beyond the three months.
02:28:32.570 --> 02:28:33.730
So, we're signing people up
02:28:33.730 --> 02:28:35.730
for something we know they can't pay,
02:28:35.730 --> 02:28:38.010
let's sign them up for
something they can pay,
02:28:38.010 --> 02:28:39.600
which is their monthly bill.
02:28:39.600 --> 02:28:41.930
And let's forgive that debt,
02:28:41.930 --> 02:28:45.000
and there's obviously a
lot to be figured out here.
02:28:45.000 --> 02:28:48.480
Although the main framework
is included in the decision.
02:28:48.480 --> 02:28:50.180
There will be a process,
02:28:50.180 --> 02:28:54.210
a short and tight and quick
process for working groups
02:28:54.210 --> 02:28:57.253
and advised further
implementation by the utilities.
02:28:58.672 --> 02:29:00.180
And finally, the PIP,
02:29:00.180 --> 02:29:03.930
the percentage of income
payment plan is the theory
02:29:03.930 --> 02:29:07.040
that for the lowest of
the low of our customers,
02:29:07.040 --> 02:29:08.520
in terms of income,
02:29:08.520 --> 02:29:11.850
they have an affordability problem.
02:29:11.850 --> 02:29:16.850
It is not that they are
trying to scam the system
02:29:17.070 --> 02:29:17.920
or anything like that,
02:29:17.920 --> 02:29:20.970
it's that they cannot
afford their bills.
02:29:20.970 --> 02:29:24.480
Majority of our
customers have the ability,
02:29:24.480 --> 02:29:26.130
have an affordable bill.
02:29:26.130 --> 02:29:29.180
And usually the cause
is something dramatic,
02:29:29.180 --> 02:29:31.320
like COVID or unemployment.
02:29:31.320 --> 02:29:35.540
But we have, I personally
have less of a concern
02:29:35.540 --> 02:29:36.980
that it made the affordability
02:29:36.980 --> 02:29:39.450
for the great majority of our customers,
02:29:39.450 --> 02:29:42.980
but for the lowest of the
low income of our customers,
02:29:42.980 --> 02:29:47.200
there is potentially a
real affordability issue.
02:29:47.200 --> 02:29:52.200
And so, we are directing a
specific phase and this was,
02:29:53.560 --> 02:29:58.027
this was another area where
we had a request, you know,
02:29:59.420 --> 02:30:02.550
for more process on all sides.
02:30:02.550 --> 02:30:04.370
And, and I do have concerns
02:30:04.370 --> 02:30:08.940
because this particular phase
will be a rate setting phase
02:30:08.940 --> 02:30:10.120
and we will have to deal
02:30:10.120 --> 02:30:13.460
with how we can ensure
continued participation
02:30:13.460 --> 02:30:17.290
from low resource CVOs
who wants to participate,
02:30:17.290 --> 02:30:20.524
but we'll have to
navigate the ex parte rules.
02:30:20.524 --> 02:30:22.250
But that is something
that I look forward
02:30:22.250 --> 02:30:25.130
to getting a quick decision on
02:30:25.130 --> 02:30:28.130
after much more
process here to get input
02:30:28.130 --> 02:30:30.570
on a percentage of income payment plan
02:30:30.570 --> 02:30:34.233
for the lowest of the
low of our customers.
02:30:35.580 --> 02:30:37.860
And finally, I just want to reiterate
02:30:37.860 --> 02:30:42.747
that we are seeing,
obviously across our society,
02:30:42.747 --> 02:30:45.090
our criminal justice
system in particular,
02:30:45.090 --> 02:30:46.380
has led the way
02:30:46.380 --> 02:30:51.380
in reforming the way we have
been criminalizing poverty.
02:30:51.490 --> 02:30:54.290
And although we don't
have criminalizing authority,
02:30:54.290 --> 02:30:55.933
we have much,
02:30:57.050 --> 02:31:00.780
we create much economic strain
by adding more and more debt
02:31:01.710 --> 02:31:05.860
to these very customers who
have no wealth to begin with.
02:31:05.860 --> 02:31:10.520
And so, we need to shift
these policies to be non-punitive,
02:31:10.520 --> 02:31:13.220
to be trusting in our customers
02:31:13.220 --> 02:31:15.800
and to help provide a pathway
02:31:15.800 --> 02:31:17.670
and to be consistently looking
02:31:17.670 --> 02:31:19.740
and reflecting on our policies,
02:31:19.740 --> 02:31:22.570
on what are the demographic impacts,
02:31:22.570 --> 02:31:24.350
what are the racial implications?
02:31:24.350 --> 02:31:27.690
What are the income
implications that we're having?
02:31:27.690 --> 02:31:29.380
And we've had the
opportunity to look at it
02:31:29.380 --> 02:31:31.170
with some disconnection rules.
02:31:31.170 --> 02:31:32.770
We know they're discriminatory
02:31:32.770 --> 02:31:35.540
and that they're harming people of color
02:31:35.540 --> 02:31:37.970
and low income people in hot areas.
02:31:37.970 --> 02:31:41.250
And these measures
are the beginning of us
02:31:41.250 --> 02:31:44.180
to try to shift our approach
02:31:44.180 --> 02:31:47.540
to becoming one that
is assisting customers.
02:31:47.540 --> 02:31:49.030
And in the end,
02:31:49.030 --> 02:31:52.630
providing more
stability for the utilities.
02:31:52.630 --> 02:31:53.975
I want to thank everybody.
02:31:53.975 --> 02:31:58.253
And I really look
forward to your support.
02:31:58.253 --> 02:32:00.750
Thank you, Commissioner
Guzman Aceves.
02:32:00.750 --> 02:32:03.483
Are there any comments
on item number eight?
02:32:05.650 --> 02:32:07.000
Yes. Commissioner Randolph?
02:32:07.970 --> 02:32:09.650
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:32:09.650 --> 02:32:10.880
I'll just be really brief
02:32:10.880 --> 02:32:12.720
and thank Commissioner Guzman Aceves
02:32:12.720 --> 02:32:14.500
for her leadership on this.
02:32:14.500 --> 02:32:18.350
I appreciate, sort of three
important things she did
02:32:18.350 --> 02:32:19.280
with this proceeding.
02:32:19.280 --> 02:32:23.930
She really did a lot of outreach
and tried to pull in voices
02:32:23.930 --> 02:32:25.693
that had not been heard before,
02:32:26.580 --> 02:32:28.930
she delved into the data
02:32:28.930 --> 02:32:32.433
and really tried to
challenge some assumptions.
02:32:33.380 --> 02:32:37.010
And lastly, she looked
for creative solutions
02:32:37.010 --> 02:32:40.070
beyond California, in and,
02:32:40.070 --> 02:32:43.690
to see how other utilities
deal with some of these issues.
02:32:43.690 --> 02:32:46.360
So, I think all of this has resulted
02:32:46.360 --> 02:32:51.067
in a well crafted decision
with excellent proposals.
02:32:51.067 --> 02:32:54.230
And I look forward to the next phase
02:32:55.080 --> 02:32:58.280
to talk about the PIP program.
02:32:58.280 --> 02:33:01.017
So, thank you very much
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:33:02.060 --> 02:33:03.400
Thank you,
Commissioner Randolph.
02:33:03.400 --> 02:33:05.563
Any other comments on item number eight?
02:33:07.390 --> 02:33:09.210
Yes. Commissioner Shiroma?
02:33:09.210 --> 02:33:10.810
She beat ya out, Cliff (laughs).
02:33:14.580 --> 02:33:18.380
So, I add my thanks to
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
02:33:18.380 --> 02:33:22.330
and her BK partner,
Commissioner Randolph
02:33:22.330 --> 02:33:25.870
and Judge Kelly for a very in depth job
02:33:25.870 --> 02:33:27.740
to effectuate the statutes
02:33:27.740 --> 02:33:29.440
all through California to West LA.
02:33:29.440 --> 02:33:33.270
That statute was a pretty
broad brushed statue.
02:33:33.270 --> 02:33:37.380
And I think that's the proposed decision
02:33:37.380 --> 02:33:39.520
meets the spirit of it,
02:33:39.520 --> 02:33:44.053
it is focused on the disconnections,
02:33:45.200 --> 02:33:47.473
protections to low income customers,
02:33:48.330 --> 02:33:50.550
provides tools to resolve bills
02:33:51.410 --> 02:33:53.180
without getting into substantial debt.
02:33:53.180 --> 02:33:54.833
That, that is so essential.
02:33:56.232 --> 02:33:59.550
I shared before that when I was a kid,
02:33:59.550 --> 02:34:02.770
our electricity was
disconnected a couple times
02:34:02.770 --> 02:34:04.767
and, you know, the
first, the first time,
02:34:04.767 --> 02:34:07.110
"Oh, great, we get to use candles."
02:34:07.110 --> 02:34:09.327
Well, the second time it was,
02:34:09.327 --> 02:34:12.310
"Oh gosh, what's going on?"
02:34:12.310 --> 02:34:14.823
And a lot of worry, you know,
02:34:14.823 --> 02:34:17.917
looking at my mother,
and like, "What's going on?"
02:34:19.370 --> 02:34:23.580
So, I look forward to
the efforts on the PIP.
02:34:23.580 --> 02:34:25.010
And also I want to do a shout out
02:34:25.010 --> 02:34:29.313
to Commissioner Rechtschaffen's
affordability proceeding.
02:34:31.240 --> 02:34:33.360
No, we have a lot to look at
02:34:33.360 --> 02:34:38.210
in terms of what Commissioner
Guzman Aceves has pointed out
02:34:38.210 --> 02:34:43.210
on the essential, the
essential electricity,
02:34:44.220 --> 02:34:46.240
the essential energy
that's needed for life,
02:34:46.240 --> 02:34:47.513
needed for life itself.
02:34:48.610 --> 02:34:50.980
I'll, I look forward to
voting "Aye" on this.
02:34:50.980 --> 02:34:52.540
Thank you.
02:34:52.540 --> 02:34:54.128
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:34:54.128 --> 02:34:56.408
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
02:34:56.408 --> 02:34:57.946
Thank you, I thought
you'd never call on me,
02:34:57.946 --> 02:34:59.080
President Batjer.
02:34:59.080 --> 02:34:59.913
Anyway, just kidding.
(Marybel laughs)
02:34:59.913 --> 02:35:01.753
You're just too slow.
02:35:01.753 --> 02:35:05.070
I know, I'm just not
quick enough on the draw.
02:35:05.070 --> 02:35:08.450
I don't have too much
to add to what was said.
02:35:08.450 --> 02:35:11.380
I want to thank Commissioner
Guzman Aceves,
02:35:11.380 --> 02:35:13.330
Commissioner Randolph, Judge Kelly,
02:35:13.330 --> 02:35:16.010
and staff for this decision,
02:35:16.010 --> 02:35:17.157
which as everyone has said,
02:35:17.157 --> 02:35:18.970
and as many commenters pointed out,
02:35:18.970 --> 02:35:22.400
could not be more timely
given the economic hardship
02:35:22.400 --> 02:35:24.780
so many people are facing.
02:35:24.780 --> 02:35:28.320
This decision is, it's
extremely thoughtful.
02:35:28.320 --> 02:35:31.493
It's innovative, it's compassionate,
02:35:32.520 --> 02:35:34.930
but it's also grounded in data,
02:35:34.930 --> 02:35:37.430
as Commissioner
Randolph said, it's realistic.
02:35:37.430 --> 02:35:39.970
It's workable and it's cognizant
02:35:39.970 --> 02:35:44.510
of the real world conditions
that our rate payers face,
02:35:44.510 --> 02:35:46.400
not just the customers
who are threatened
02:35:46.400 --> 02:35:49.080
with disconnections
but the cost pressures
02:35:49.080 --> 02:35:51.940
that all rate payers are experiencing.
02:35:51.940 --> 02:35:54.180
And I very much appreciate
the decision for that.
02:35:54.180 --> 02:35:56.820
I want to echo what
Commissioner Randolph said,
02:35:56.820 --> 02:35:57.890
that Commissioner Guzman Aceves
02:35:57.890 --> 02:36:02.010
and the team went the
extra mile and then some
02:36:02.010 --> 02:36:03.440
to convene workshops
02:36:03.440 --> 02:36:06.860
that engaged a broader
set of stakeholders
02:36:06.860 --> 02:36:10.410
than customarily participate
in our proceedings.
02:36:10.410 --> 02:36:13.250
As Commissioner Guzman Aceves listed,
02:36:13.250 --> 02:36:15.080
the participating organizations
02:36:15.080 --> 02:36:17.860
that helped sponsor
events and participated,
02:36:17.860 --> 02:36:20.620
that shows how extensive
this outreach was.
02:36:20.620 --> 02:36:23.300
And it was really important to do,
02:36:23.300 --> 02:36:27.550
to use these out of the box
ways to get the public involved.
02:36:27.550 --> 02:36:30.610
I very much appreciate the
monthly reports that we got,
02:36:30.610 --> 02:36:34.240
which gave us a real
window into what's happening
02:36:34.240 --> 02:36:35.530
with California households
02:36:35.530 --> 02:36:40.530
and improve the transparency
of the disconnection situation.
02:36:42.399 --> 02:36:46.193
I think the arrears management
program is really important
02:36:46.193 --> 02:36:48.410
and interesting and it's modeled
02:36:48.410 --> 02:36:51.320
after other successful utility programs.
02:36:51.320 --> 02:36:54.050
It's very much worth trying.
02:36:54.050 --> 02:36:58.630
The payment of income,
payment of income paints the land.
02:36:58.630 --> 02:37:01.170
I also hope we can do quickly,
02:37:01.170 --> 02:37:03.860
and as Commissioner Shiroma mentioned,
02:37:03.860 --> 02:37:08.340
this and other aspects of the
decision dovetail very much
02:37:08.340 --> 02:37:10.683
with our affordability proceeding.
02:37:11.610 --> 02:37:13.780
We haven't set thresholds there,
02:37:13.780 --> 02:37:17.380
and it's not our
intention to do that yet.
02:37:17.380 --> 02:37:18.810
But that proceeding is,
02:37:18.810 --> 02:37:23.190
it's very much focused on
the burden of all utility bills
02:37:23.190 --> 02:37:27.610
on customers, given
their ability to pay, with,
02:37:27.610 --> 02:37:29.650
given their disposable incomes.
02:37:29.650 --> 02:37:33.320
And it's a very important complement
02:37:33.320 --> 02:37:34.930
to what's being done here.
02:37:34.930 --> 02:37:39.523
I'll be happily and vigorously
supporting this decision.
02:37:40.830 --> 02:37:43.290
Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
02:37:43.290 --> 02:37:45.650
I will just add my voice briefly
02:37:45.650 --> 02:37:47.920
to those of my fellow Commissioners.
02:37:47.920 --> 02:37:50.720
I want to thank
Commissioner Guzman Aceves
02:37:50.720 --> 02:37:54.070
for her deep passion, her deep thinking,
02:37:54.070 --> 02:37:57.270
her innovative thinking.
02:37:57.270 --> 02:38:02.270
And this proceeding started
well before I joined you all.
02:38:02.350 --> 02:38:05.780
I appreciate the months that
you and Commissioner Randolph
02:38:05.780 --> 02:38:10.090
and the entire staff and Judge
Kelly spent working on this,
02:38:10.090 --> 02:38:14.947
it was a huge undertaking
with huge, huge impact.
02:38:15.940 --> 02:38:20.940
And so, I will be voting
for this enthusiastically,
02:38:21.410 --> 02:38:25.210
and I appreciate the incredible energy
02:38:25.210 --> 02:38:29.580
and effort that you have
so thoughtfully demonstrated
02:38:29.580 --> 02:38:32.637
with this proposal, proposed decision.
02:38:32.637 --> 02:38:34.240
So, thank you.
02:38:34.240 --> 02:38:35.583
Any other final comments?
02:38:36.480 --> 02:38:40.850
Okay, seeing none,
will the agenda clerk,
02:38:40.850 --> 02:38:42.973
please call the roll
on item number eight?
02:38:43.970 --> 02:38:46.566
For item eight,
Commissioner Shiroma?
02:38:46.566 --> 02:38:48.136
Aye.
02:38:48.136 --> 02:38:50.377
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
02:38:50.377 --> 02:38:52.040
Aye.
02:38:52.040 --> 02:38:54.056
Commissioner Randolph?
02:38:54.056 --> 02:38:55.436
Aye.
02:38:55.436 --> 02:38:57.418
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
02:38:57.418 --> 02:38:58.925
Yes.
02:38:58.925 --> 02:39:00.655
President Batjer?
02:39:00.655 --> 02:39:01.488
Aye.
02:39:01.488 --> 02:39:04.440
Thank you, the vote is
unanimous for item number eight.
02:39:04.440 --> 02:39:07.393
We will now be taking a 30 minute break.
02:39:08.560 --> 02:39:12.900
So, let's see, my, it's 12:41,
02:39:12.900 --> 02:39:17.040
let's say 10 after 1:00.
02:39:17.040 --> 02:39:20.170
Please be sure to be back in your seats.
02:39:20.170 --> 02:39:21.540
And we will resume at that time.
02:39:21.540 --> 02:39:25.010
We will be taking up item 28
02:39:25.010 --> 02:39:27.400
when we come back into session.
02:39:27.400 --> 02:39:28.233
Thank you all.
02:39:39.470 --> 02:39:41.500
Thank you
for your patience.
02:39:41.500 --> 02:39:43.123
I think we're ready to go.
02:39:44.580 --> 02:39:46.930
Operator, take
us out of the music on hold
02:39:46.930 --> 02:39:49.850
and wait for the president's cue.
02:39:55.110 --> 02:39:55.963
Okay.
02:39:57.050 --> 02:40:00.830
Thank you all. We need
to establish quorum.
02:40:00.830 --> 02:40:03.180
So, will the agenda
clerk please call the roll?
02:40:04.224 --> 02:40:06.055
Commissioner Shiroma?
02:40:06.055 --> 02:40:07.485
Present.
02:40:07.485 --> 02:40:09.587
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
02:40:09.587 --> 02:40:10.923
Present.
02:40:10.923 --> 02:40:12.815
Commissioner Randolph?
02:40:12.815 --> 02:40:14.394
Present.
02:40:14.394 --> 02:40:16.425
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
02:40:16.425 --> 02:40:17.827
Present.
02:40:17.827 --> 02:40:19.484
President Batjer?
02:40:19.484 --> 02:40:21.140
Present.
02:40:21.140 --> 02:40:23.613
We have established
quorum. Thank you all.
02:40:24.840 --> 02:40:29.840
We now will move to number
28 of the regular agenda.
02:40:31.510 --> 02:40:32.700
Commissioner Shiroma?
02:40:34.330 --> 02:40:36.700
Yes. Thank you,
President Batjer.
02:40:36.700 --> 02:40:39.350
I'm introducing item 28,
02:40:39.350 --> 02:40:42.457
which is a decision
on short term actions
02:40:42.457 --> 02:40:45.208
to accelerate microgrid deployments
02:40:45.208 --> 02:40:47.820
and related to resiliency solutions.
02:40:47.820 --> 02:40:50.600
In 2018, the conditions, oh, sorry.
02:40:50.600 --> 02:40:55.010
The California Senate
passed SB 1339 carried
02:40:55.010 --> 02:40:56.090
by Senator Stern,
02:40:56.090 --> 02:40:59.730
which directed the Commission
to undertake a number
02:40:59.730 --> 02:41:03.053
of activities to develop
policies related to microgrids.
02:41:04.110 --> 02:41:05.660
As part of that legislation,
02:41:05.660 --> 02:41:08.170
the Commission built a new section
02:41:08.170 --> 02:41:11.630
in the energy division
focused on these matters.
02:41:11.630 --> 02:41:14.280
And we opened this
order instituting rulemaking
02:41:14.280 --> 02:41:17.430
in September of last year.
02:41:17.430 --> 02:41:22.430
Now, shortly thereafter,
on October 26, 2019,
02:41:22.480 --> 02:41:26.420
in the face of winds approaching
almost 90 miles per hour,
02:41:26.420 --> 02:41:29.200
we experienced PG&E turning off power
02:41:29.200 --> 02:41:33.810
to almost 1,000,000
customers across 38 counties
02:41:33.810 --> 02:41:37.673
in an effort to minimize the
risk of catastrophic wildfires.
02:41:38.760 --> 02:41:40.620
From this experience,
02:41:40.620 --> 02:41:43.830
we learned that not only
was PG&E's execution
02:41:43.830 --> 02:41:47.810
of the public safety power
shut off protocols inadequate,
02:41:47.810 --> 02:41:49.720
but that the Commission would have
02:41:49.720 --> 02:41:52.060
to use a multipronged approach
02:41:52.060 --> 02:41:56.480
to mitigating the effects
of needed DSPSs.
02:41:56.480 --> 02:41:57.600
So, we used this experience
02:41:57.600 --> 02:42:01.740
to rescope the order
instituting the rulemaking,
02:42:01.740 --> 02:42:06.040
to focus on microgrids and resiliency,
02:42:06.040 --> 02:42:09.410
with multiple tracks,
three tracks for now,
02:42:09.410 --> 02:42:11.280
to address in the short term,
02:42:11.280 --> 02:42:15.200
how we can accelerate
microgrids and resiliency projects
02:42:15.200 --> 02:42:20.180
in preparation for our
peak 2020 wildfire season,
02:42:20.180 --> 02:42:21.370
just a few months away.
02:42:21.370 --> 02:42:23.760
In fact it really, it
has already started.
02:42:23.760 --> 02:42:26.210
In addition to the longterm goal
02:42:26.210 --> 02:42:28.210
of facilitating the commercialization
02:42:28.210 --> 02:42:33.210
of microgrids through the
requirements of SB 1339.
02:42:33.269 --> 02:42:36.900
In a sense this proceeding is
both a sprint and a marathon.
02:42:36.900 --> 02:42:39.750
The sprint has been the last nine months
02:42:39.750 --> 02:42:44.750
where we held a widely
attended all day workshop,
02:42:46.200 --> 02:42:50.180
joined by California Energy
Commission Chair Hochschild,
02:42:51.280 --> 02:42:54.470
issued a multi-part staff proposal,
02:42:54.470 --> 02:42:56.890
where the team worked
over the holidays in December,
02:42:56.890 --> 02:43:01.760
and January, and reviewed
proposals by our utilities
02:43:01.760 --> 02:43:05.620
in preparation for the
2020 wildfire season,
02:43:05.620 --> 02:43:08.023
this proceeding has
had over 200 parties.
02:43:09.379 --> 02:43:13.380
And I thank and commend
them for their active participation.
02:43:13.380 --> 02:43:17.170
Now this, the December
workshop was an opportunity for us
02:43:17.170 --> 02:43:20.270
to identify and vet short term actions
02:43:20.270 --> 02:43:21.901
related to microgrids
02:43:21.901 --> 02:43:26.750
that the CPUC could
take in the first half of 2020
02:43:26.750 --> 02:43:30.580
to reduce the impact of any
outages caused by PSPSs
02:43:30.580 --> 02:43:34.093
or other conditions
this fall, fall of 2020.
02:43:35.000 --> 02:43:38.450
The workshop also
included examples of medium
02:43:38.450 --> 02:43:41.260
and long term solutions
and policy issues
02:43:41.260 --> 02:43:44.060
to be addressed as
part of the rulemaking.
02:43:44.060 --> 02:43:48.510
This microgrids and resiliency
track one's proposed decision
02:43:48.510 --> 02:43:52.560
is an integral part, again,
of the multifaceted approach
02:43:52.560 --> 02:43:54.440
that the Commission
is taking in preparation
02:43:54.440 --> 02:43:56.740
for the 2020 wildfire season
02:43:56.740 --> 02:43:59.053
and the resilient grid of the future.
02:44:00.450 --> 02:44:04.550
The staff proposal took those learnings,
02:44:04.550 --> 02:44:08.323
we developed a proposal that
we put out for public comments.
02:44:09.570 --> 02:44:14.570
It included development,
pre-approved template based designs
02:44:14.570 --> 02:44:16.330
and other modifications
02:44:16.330 --> 02:44:19.100
for the Commission
approved application process
02:44:19.100 --> 02:44:22.030
that could be
standardized for efficiency,
02:44:22.030 --> 02:44:25.183
expediting utility sign
off on installed projects,
02:44:26.210 --> 02:44:29.700
accelerating interconnection
by increasing staffing,
02:44:29.700 --> 02:44:34.290
modernizing tariffs to
maximize resiliency benefits,
02:44:34.290 --> 02:44:37.090
and requirements to
enhance collaborations
02:44:37.090 --> 02:44:40.143
and coordination with
local and tribal governments.
02:44:41.140 --> 02:44:44.090
The proposals with refinements
based on the feedback
02:44:44.090 --> 02:44:48.410
from over 50 parties
applies to all three IOUs,
02:44:48.410 --> 02:44:52.600
PG&E, Edison and San Diego
Gas and Electric moving forward.
02:44:52.600 --> 02:44:55.560
Now, and I will come back
02:44:55.560 --> 02:44:58.150
and outline some of the revisions made
02:44:58.150 --> 02:45:00.760
when the PD was put out for comment.
02:45:00.760 --> 02:45:04.660
Meanwhile, the utilities
submitted proposals,
02:45:04.660 --> 02:45:08.728
specifically PG&E and
San Diego Gas and Electric.
02:45:08.728 --> 02:45:10.390
So, in addition to the critical changes
02:45:10.390 --> 02:45:12.350
in the staff proposal,
02:45:12.350 --> 02:45:14.740
we will also be approving an array
02:45:14.740 --> 02:45:18.090
of resiliency proposals set forth.
02:45:18.090 --> 02:45:21.980
For PG&E, these include
the make ready program,
02:45:21.980 --> 02:45:24.330
a program for upgrading substations,
02:45:24.330 --> 02:45:27.170
with the ability to be
quickly and safely energized
02:45:27.170 --> 02:45:28.613
with local sources power,
02:45:29.890 --> 02:45:33.580
approving only for the
2020 wildfire season,
02:45:33.580 --> 02:45:36.603
PG&E's temporary generation program.
02:45:37.560 --> 02:45:39.813
As commenters
commented on, it's a program
02:45:39.813 --> 02:45:42.890
for procuring temporary
diesel portable generators
02:45:42.890 --> 02:45:45.980
to be used at the substations
and other key locations
02:45:45.980 --> 02:45:47.600
for public benefit,
02:45:47.600 --> 02:45:51.180
for wide effectiveness for customers.
02:45:51.180 --> 02:45:54.280
Now, I agree with the commenters
02:45:54.280 --> 02:45:57.783
that relying on diesel
is not an ideal choice.
02:45:58.930 --> 02:46:00.840
To date, the record in
this proceeding shows
02:46:00.840 --> 02:46:03.240
that while there is much opposition
02:46:03.240 --> 02:46:05.270
to the use of diesel generation,
02:46:05.270 --> 02:46:08.270
as we understandingly, at this point,
02:46:08.270 --> 02:46:12.180
parties have not proposed
specific alternative solutions
02:46:12.180 --> 02:46:14.150
that are off the shelf ready
02:46:14.150 --> 02:46:16.242
that we can use in the 2020,
02:46:16.242 --> 02:46:19.430
in just a few short months
away, wildfire season.
02:46:19.430 --> 02:46:22.900
Therefore, we will be
inviting stakeholders
02:46:23.820 --> 02:46:26.340
in this proceeding to engage with us
02:46:26.340 --> 02:46:28.400
on this matter specifically,
02:46:28.400 --> 02:46:31.790
bring their foresight on
the sufficiency and viability
02:46:31.790 --> 02:46:35.970
on non-diesel backup
power at the substation level,
02:46:35.970 --> 02:46:38.090
into the mainstream on this topic
02:46:38.090 --> 02:46:41.047
to enhance our long
term resiliency initiatives.
02:46:41.047 --> 02:46:43.920
And we will be inviting stakeholders
02:46:45.600 --> 02:46:49.280
to problem solve and work with us.
02:46:49.280 --> 02:46:50.960
And then finally, we
are approving PG&E's
02:46:50.960 --> 02:46:53.760
community microgrid enablements program.
02:46:53.760 --> 02:46:57.460
It's a program designed
to augment utility technical
02:46:57.460 --> 02:47:01.427
and financial support for
community proposed microgrids
02:47:02.450 --> 02:47:05.250
to enhance resiliency
of critical facilities
02:47:05.250 --> 02:47:06.500
and vulnerable customers.
02:47:07.580 --> 02:47:09.103
San Diego Gas and Electric,
02:47:10.030 --> 02:47:13.730
we're approving their local
area distribution controller,
02:47:13.730 --> 02:47:16.670
which is a software
and hardware technology
02:47:16.670 --> 02:47:20.190
that will enhance microgrid
operation and augment
02:47:20.190 --> 02:47:23.370
and inter operate the San
Diego Gas and Electric's
02:47:23.370 --> 02:47:27.800
existing advanced distribution
management system,
02:47:27.800 --> 02:47:32.353
and microgrid project is
proposed in other proceedings.
02:47:32.353 --> 02:47:34.030
All right?
02:47:34.030 --> 02:47:36.600
Now, based on,
02:47:36.600 --> 02:47:38.040
so this is going to be
a little bit redundant,
02:47:38.040 --> 02:47:40.723
but based on the comments received,
02:47:43.160 --> 02:47:46.793
a number of revisions were
made to the proposed decision.
02:47:47.750 --> 02:47:48.880
We clarify that
02:47:48.880 --> 02:47:51.630
the interconnection streamlining
implementation process
02:47:53.120 --> 02:47:55.750
contemplated under proposal 103,
02:47:55.750 --> 02:47:58.070
well, make a
clarification, I should say,
02:47:58.070 --> 02:47:59.760
we add mitigation language
02:47:59.760 --> 02:48:01.640
and a three year evaluation period
02:48:01.640 --> 02:48:04.840
for the net energy
metering tariff modification.
02:48:04.840 --> 02:48:06.313
This will be in proposal two.
02:48:09.860 --> 02:48:11.930
Okay, I'm sorry. In proposal two.
02:48:11.930 --> 02:48:13.710
Clarify the instrumentation
02:48:13.710 --> 02:48:15.140
and information sharing process
02:48:15.140 --> 02:48:18.210
and roles between
utilities, tribal governments,
02:48:18.210 --> 02:48:20.940
local governments, and CCAs,
02:48:20.940 --> 02:48:25.710
clarifies that PG&E's make
ready costs will be subject
02:48:25.710 --> 02:48:28.490
to a later reasonableness review
02:48:28.490 --> 02:48:30.470
in an upcoming track of this proceeding
02:48:30.470 --> 02:48:32.450
to determine whether it is appropriate
02:48:32.450 --> 02:48:35.673
for PG&E to recover the
forecasted costs and rates,
02:48:36.630 --> 02:48:39.280
clarified the description of PG&E's
02:48:39.280 --> 02:48:40.963
temporary generation program,
02:48:41.800 --> 02:48:44.820
clarifies that PG&E's temporary
generation program costs
02:48:44.820 --> 02:48:47.990
will be subject to a
reasonableness review
02:48:47.990 --> 02:48:49.323
in an upcoming track.
02:48:50.820 --> 02:48:53.800
And just as I outlined before,
02:48:53.800 --> 02:48:55.410
clarifies, as I said before,
02:48:55.410 --> 02:48:57.000
the use of diesel generation is
02:48:57.000 --> 02:49:00.100
not a longterm resiliency strategy
02:49:00.100 --> 02:49:03.083
and that this proceeding
will immediately initiate an.
02:50:14.210 --> 02:50:17.320
It's been both a sprint
and it's also a marathon.
02:50:17.320 --> 02:50:21.350
After completing all of the
above in these past nine months,
02:50:21.350 --> 02:50:23.230
our marathon will continue in track two
02:50:23.230 --> 02:50:25.990
and track three of this proceeding.
02:50:25.990 --> 02:50:29.870
While track one focuses on
fast tracking near term solutions
02:50:29.870 --> 02:50:31.690
for microgrids and resiliency,
02:50:31.690 --> 02:50:33.640
track two and track three
02:50:33.640 --> 02:50:35.990
of this proceeding will help eliminate
02:50:35.990 --> 02:50:38.900
and accomplish the
state's broader policy goals
02:50:38.900 --> 02:50:41.967
in the context of supporting microgrids
02:50:41.967 --> 02:50:44.710
and resiliency strategies,
02:50:44.710 --> 02:50:49.060
we will be using these upcoming
tracks in this proceeding,
02:50:49.060 --> 02:50:51.192
again, as I said, again,
02:50:51.192 --> 02:50:54.910
explore the viability of
non-diesel alternatives
02:50:54.910 --> 02:50:57.171
for next year's wildfire season,
02:50:57.171 --> 02:50:59.860
further develop the standards
and protocols to support
02:50:59.860 --> 02:51:02.600
and reduce barriers to
lack of microgrid deployment
02:51:02.600 --> 02:51:05.370
without shifting costs
between rate payers
02:51:05.370 --> 02:51:06.810
and developing rates and tariffs
02:51:06.810 --> 02:51:08.630
that are just and reasonable
02:51:08.630 --> 02:51:11.103
to support commercialization
of microgrids.
02:51:12.030 --> 02:51:15.133
So in closing, I would
like to think many people.
02:51:16.930 --> 02:51:20.460
First of all, our Administrative
Law Judge, Colin Rizzo,
02:51:20.460 --> 02:51:24.540
who has, it's been amazing to work with,
02:51:24.540 --> 02:51:27.880
our energy division staff and Randolph,
02:51:27.880 --> 02:51:32.880
Forest Kaeser, Joy Steindas,
Jessica Keith, Julianne Ennis,
02:51:34.320 --> 02:51:38.230
Rosan Rack, sorry Rosanne,
02:51:38.230 --> 02:51:43.130
I'm gonna mispronounce
your last name, Brachovitch,
02:51:43.130 --> 02:51:47.500
Patrick Stackton, Andrew
Salazar, Sophie Meyer,
02:51:47.500 --> 02:51:51.600
Jose Aligacaro, Christopher Wrestling,
02:51:51.600 --> 02:51:54.300
our advisory attorney Elizabeth Dorman,
02:51:54.300 --> 02:51:56.942
my back looking
partner, President Batjer,
02:51:56.942 --> 02:51:58.860
and her advisor Josh Huneycutt
02:51:58.860 --> 02:52:02.740
and from my office,
analyst Christina Rivera,
02:52:02.740 --> 02:52:06.680
my chief of staff Leuwam
Tesfai, my advisor Justin Regnier
02:52:07.980 --> 02:52:11.250
by the way, Justin will be
returning to the energy division
02:52:11.250 --> 02:52:13.053
to work on interconnection issues,
02:52:14.200 --> 02:52:18.593
I will stay a proper thank
in my Commissioner report.
02:52:19.500 --> 02:52:22.917
With that, I ask for your
"Aye" vote, thank you.
02:52:23.990 --> 02:52:26.140
Thank you very much
Commissioner Shiroma
02:52:26.140 --> 02:52:31.140
for that very thorough description
of the proposed decision.
02:52:32.090 --> 02:52:34.113
Any comments on item 28?
02:52:37.242 --> 02:52:41.340
(laughs) You're beat out again, Cliff.
02:52:41.340 --> 02:52:44.597
Martha, Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:52:45.500 --> 02:52:47.080
Thank you (laughs).
02:52:47.080 --> 02:52:48.645
Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma
02:52:48.645 --> 02:52:52.250
and I think you
described it really well,
02:52:52.250 --> 02:52:55.460
which was it's a sprint and a marathon,
02:52:55.460 --> 02:53:00.460
and I know we've, it's been
a lot of false starts almost
02:53:01.410 --> 02:53:03.730
because we spent a lot
of time at the beginning
02:53:03.730 --> 02:53:06.520
with a couple of concepts
the utilities put forward
02:53:06.520 --> 02:53:09.360
that were potentially going
to be more permanent.
02:53:09.360 --> 02:53:13.570
And then we kind of came
back to this reality of this fall
02:53:13.570 --> 02:53:16.510
and having to just get something there,
02:53:16.510 --> 02:53:18.060
and I really wanted to stress
02:53:18.060 --> 02:53:21.270
that I appreciate you giving more forum
02:53:21.270 --> 02:53:23.740
to the need for non-diesel,
02:53:23.740 --> 02:53:28.730
but also, you know, when
we were in Lake County,
02:53:28.730 --> 02:53:31.300
I know we talked about that
visit, but also in Butte County,
02:53:31.300 --> 02:53:33.290
but, you know,
02:53:33.290 --> 02:53:36.510
the reality was people
want whatever it takes
02:53:36.510 --> 02:53:38.030
to keep the power on.
02:53:38.030 --> 02:53:41.533
And unfortunately in
this fall it will be diesel,
02:53:42.400 --> 02:53:45.160
but I do really appreciate
that you're going
02:53:45.160 --> 02:53:49.060
to look in earnest to
cleaner alternatives.
02:53:49.060 --> 02:53:52.750
Also, just in reflection of
this morning's comments,
02:53:52.750 --> 02:53:56.220
I hope that, you know, the utilities
02:53:56.220 --> 02:54:00.780
and obviously the local
governments take back what we heard,
02:54:00.780 --> 02:54:03.033
what we also heard
in our community visits,
02:54:04.430 --> 02:54:07.060
you know, the food
banks and their impact
02:54:07.060 --> 02:54:09.770
that they aren't really
created like some
02:54:09.770 --> 02:54:11.710
of the other critical facilities
02:54:11.710 --> 02:54:15.000
that are already required to
have that backup generation
02:54:15.000 --> 02:54:18.160
and food banks usually
have a more organic evolution
02:54:18.160 --> 02:54:22.710
and do not always have
that generation there onsite.
02:54:22.710 --> 02:54:26.130
So, really hope the utilities can dig in
02:54:26.130 --> 02:54:27.670
and work with their local government
02:54:27.670 --> 02:54:30.230
to make sure that
those critical facilities
02:54:30.230 --> 02:54:34.883
that food banks are, can
have the protection for this fall.
02:54:36.202 --> 02:54:39.070
But most of all, I was
very excited to see
02:54:39.950 --> 02:54:42.970
that very specific coordination
02:54:42.970 --> 02:54:45.023
with the local government
and tribal government
02:54:45.023 --> 02:54:49.510
and the need to really give
them more specific information
02:54:49.510 --> 02:54:51.520
on their distribution systems
02:54:51.520 --> 02:54:54.290
and what each of the upgrades would mean
02:54:54.290 --> 02:54:58.660
if there was different
localized supplies put in place.
02:54:58.660 --> 02:55:00.053
So, I was very happy to see that
02:55:00.053 --> 02:55:04.230
and I look forward to that further,
02:55:04.230 --> 02:55:06.130
that relationship
being further developed
02:55:06.130 --> 02:55:07.260
in so many aspects.
02:55:07.260 --> 02:55:08.860
So, thank you for all your work.
02:55:10.668 --> 02:55:12.910
Commissioner
Rechtschaffen?
02:55:12.910 --> 02:55:14.520
Thank you.
02:55:14.520 --> 02:55:16.550
Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma.
02:55:16.550 --> 02:55:21.550
This is the, this proceeding
should not just be titled,
02:55:21.570 --> 02:55:24.660
microgrids proceeding,
it's very much more,
02:55:24.660 --> 02:55:26.887
and I very much appreciate your work
02:55:26.887 --> 02:55:29.103
and Judge Rizzo and
energy division staff,
02:55:29.103 --> 02:55:32.120
and others in getting so
much accomplished so quickly
02:55:32.120 --> 02:55:35.240
in time for the 2020 fire season.
02:55:35.240 --> 02:55:38.920
As you noted, it's just one
of many steps we're taking
02:55:38.920 --> 02:55:40.370
to promote greater resilience
02:55:41.290 --> 02:55:44.690
in the face of high
wildfire risk and shut offs
02:55:44.690 --> 02:55:47.970
and will accelerate
interconnection projects
02:55:47.970 --> 02:55:50.140
and promote collaboration
02:55:50.140 --> 02:55:52.970
between local governments and utilities.
02:55:52.970 --> 02:55:55.650
And like Commissioner Guzman Aceves,
02:55:55.650 --> 02:55:59.410
I'm very grateful that the
decision has been amended
02:55:59.410 --> 02:56:00.830
to include tribal governments
02:56:00.830 --> 02:56:02.940
as among those who can get access
02:56:02.940 --> 02:56:06.370
to the confidential data portal
02:56:06.370 --> 02:56:10.410
that will allow all local
emergency response agencies
02:56:10.410 --> 02:56:14.340
and tribal governments
to plan for microgrid
02:56:14.340 --> 02:56:16.460
and other resilience efforts.
02:56:16.460 --> 02:56:19.470
I also very much
appreciate your strong words
02:56:19.470 --> 02:56:22.650
about the temporary nature
of the diesel generators
02:56:22.650 --> 02:56:24.180
that are being deployed here.
02:56:25.230 --> 02:56:28.200
I have one question, one comment,
02:56:28.200 --> 02:56:30.160
and maybe I'll leave it with a question
02:56:30.160 --> 02:56:31.993
for you Commissioner Shiroma.
02:56:31.993 --> 02:56:34.210
But there was one aspect of the decision
02:56:34.210 --> 02:56:37.615
that I would've liked to
see come out differently.
02:56:37.615 --> 02:56:40.020
And you mentioned it in passing.
02:56:40.020 --> 02:56:41.140
We currently have a rule
02:56:41.140 --> 02:56:43.100
under our net energy metering program
02:56:43.100 --> 02:56:47.690
that does not allow solar
or solar paired with storage
02:56:47.690 --> 02:56:48.900
to be oversized.
02:56:48.900 --> 02:56:52.590
So, they can't, for systems
that's over 10 kilowatt,
02:56:52.590 --> 02:56:57.530
they cannot exceed 150% of capacity,
02:56:57.530 --> 02:57:01.970
and the decision waives that rule.
02:57:01.970 --> 02:57:05.150
And I would have
preferred that as we allow
02:57:05.150 --> 02:57:08.920
for these larger
systems, we also require
02:57:08.920 --> 02:57:12.040
that these oversized
systems have the ability
02:57:12.040 --> 02:57:14.040
to island from the grid.
02:57:14.040 --> 02:57:17.480
Yes hi, my
name is Marilyn Gloria.
02:57:17.480 --> 02:57:19.363
I have a, hello?
02:57:20.497 --> 02:57:21.780
Uh-oh, I'm sorry.
02:57:22.930 --> 02:57:23.763
I'm sorry,
02:57:23.763 --> 02:57:25.230
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
Hello?
02:57:25.230 --> 02:57:26.253
That interruption.
02:57:27.240 --> 02:57:31.453
Could, Robert, could you
please check and see what the,
02:57:32.766 --> 02:57:33.599
what that was?
02:57:34.497 --> 02:57:35.966
Yes, President Batjer.
02:57:35.966 --> 02:57:36.966
Thank you.
02:57:39.127 --> 02:57:42.973
And when the time
comes, I can respond,
02:57:43.940 --> 02:57:45.360
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:57:45.360 --> 02:57:47.180
Okay thanks, let, Cliff,
02:57:47.180 --> 02:57:49.740
do you want to continue
with your remarks?
02:57:49.740 --> 02:57:50.610
Yeah. Yeah.
02:57:50.610 --> 02:57:52.780
So, as I was saying, I
would have preferred
02:57:52.780 --> 02:57:56.499
that we require these
oversights instance
02:57:56.499 --> 02:57:58.550
to have the ability the
island from the grid,
02:57:58.550 --> 02:58:00.120
that was under consideration,
02:58:00.120 --> 02:58:03.988
the decision ultimately
decided not to do that.
02:58:03.988 --> 02:58:06.660
The reason for doing
it is it's consistent
02:58:06.660 --> 02:58:08.890
with the goal of this proceeding.
02:58:08.890 --> 02:58:13.462
And also, we face a similar
issue in the SGIP program.
02:58:13.462 --> 02:58:15.070
That's consistent with the goal of SGIP
02:58:15.070 --> 02:58:18.400
that we want to facilitate systems
02:58:18.400 --> 02:58:21.180
that provide resiliency benefits.
02:58:21.180 --> 02:58:23.680
And if you, if your
island, you can provide
02:58:23.680 --> 02:58:24.880
that resiliency benefit.
02:58:24.880 --> 02:58:28.690
The decision acknowledges that longterm,
02:58:28.690 --> 02:58:30.810
this is the appropriate solution,
02:58:30.810 --> 02:58:32.818
it defers doing so right now,
02:58:32.818 --> 02:58:36.580
because of concerns
about added complexity
02:58:36.580 --> 02:58:39.620
and that because of
the added complexity,
02:58:39.620 --> 02:58:44.140
requiring the island and
requirement could lead
02:58:44.140 --> 02:58:46.248
to potential for delays.
02:58:46.248 --> 02:58:48.257
And as I think you said,
Commissioner Shiroma,
02:58:48.257 --> 02:58:52.230
the decision says will be
taken, revisited in three years.
02:58:52.230 --> 02:58:55.650
I'd like to see us take this
issue up sooner than that,
02:58:55.650 --> 02:58:58.964
perhaps in track two or
track three of the decision.
02:58:58.964 --> 02:59:02.923
The decision suggests
that this is a possibility.
02:59:02.923 --> 02:59:05.110
And so, I guess my question to you is,
02:59:05.110 --> 02:59:07.970
are you open to revisiting this sooner
02:59:07.970 --> 02:59:11.123
and as early in track two or
track three of the proceeding?
02:59:12.470 --> 02:59:13.303
Yes (laughs).
02:59:14.560 --> 02:59:16.539
Yes, absolutely.
02:59:16.539 --> 02:59:17.456
Absolutely.
02:59:19.421 --> 02:59:23.200
And in fact, the
(coughs) team's already,
02:59:23.200 --> 02:59:25.470
oh, let's see.
02:59:25.470 --> 02:59:27.017
Looks like we are, hm,
02:59:30.940 --> 02:59:32.023
okay, I'm sorry.
02:59:35.070 --> 02:59:37.295
Just looking at some of my
little background notes here.
02:59:37.295 --> 02:59:42.120
You know, the answer is yes,
Commissioner Rechtschaffen,
02:59:42.120 --> 02:59:43.580
definitely open to it.
02:59:43.580 --> 02:59:47.080
I have a notion that
we are already poised
02:59:47.080 --> 02:59:49.200
to be considering it
02:59:50.630 --> 02:59:55.030
in track two, if not track three, but,
02:59:55.030 --> 02:59:58.410
and we, that's not waiting
for three years on that.
03:00:00.449 --> 03:00:01.803
Thank you very much,
Commissioner Shiroma.
03:00:01.803 --> 03:00:03.010
With that, I, I'll close
03:00:03.010 --> 03:00:06.143
and I'll be strongly
supporting this decision.
03:00:07.640 --> 03:00:09.290
Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
03:00:09.290 --> 03:00:11.300
And again, I apologize
for the interruption
03:00:11.300 --> 03:00:13.840
that you endured.
03:00:13.840 --> 03:00:15.153
Any other comments?
03:00:17.200 --> 03:00:20.880
I will just thank
Commissioner Shiroma
03:00:20.880 --> 03:00:22.370
for all your work on this proceeding.
03:00:22.370 --> 03:00:25.740
I echo my fellow
Commissioners' comments,
03:00:25.740 --> 03:00:30.070
particularly on ensuring
the temporary nature
03:00:30.070 --> 03:00:31.733
of the diesel backup generation.
03:00:33.120 --> 03:00:35.120
And so, I'll be supporting the decision.
03:00:36.710 --> 03:00:37.730
Thank you.
03:00:37.730 --> 03:00:40.330
I want to add my strong voice
03:00:40.330 --> 03:00:41.850
to that of my fellow Commissioners
03:00:41.850 --> 03:00:45.730
and thank my ably keen
partner for her leadership
03:00:45.730 --> 03:00:49.660
and really for the tremendous effort
03:00:49.660 --> 03:00:54.243
that you have undertaken
along with staff to expedite this.
03:00:55.280 --> 03:00:59.860
We often are criticized for
our 18 months that we take
03:00:59.860 --> 03:01:03.710
to arrive at a decision
03:01:03.710 --> 03:01:07.480
and for your rescoping
that you did in December,
03:01:07.480 --> 03:01:09.970
to date, six months.
03:01:09.970 --> 03:01:11.760
And I think it's just extraordinary.
03:01:11.760 --> 03:01:16.760
And I give you great thanks
and respect for how hard you
03:01:18.410 --> 03:01:21.810
and the energy division
and the legal division,
03:01:21.810 --> 03:01:24.093
and indeed my own
advisor, Josh Huneycutt,
03:01:25.430 --> 03:01:27.280
worked to make that happen.
03:01:27.280 --> 03:01:29.700
There were many weekends,
there were late nights.
03:01:29.700 --> 03:01:32.533
The microgrid team was fantastic.
03:01:33.400 --> 03:01:34.850
The way that was formulated,
03:01:34.850 --> 03:01:38.690
the way they carried out
their work, the updates,
03:01:38.690 --> 03:01:43.690
the informational pamphlet, if you will,
03:01:43.700 --> 03:01:48.700
that they put together was
just a terrific, terrific to see,
03:01:50.320 --> 03:01:52.233
and to be informed by.
03:01:53.920 --> 03:01:56.760
I too, not only in this area,
03:01:56.760 --> 03:02:01.760
but in the area of the
telecommunications back up energy,
03:02:03.320 --> 03:02:07.020
am very concerned about
this fall and how much frankly,
03:02:07.020 --> 03:02:12.020
dirty backup generation will be used.
03:02:13.030 --> 03:02:17.750
But I'm pleased with the
temporary nature of this.
03:02:17.750 --> 03:02:22.570
And I think we'll get through
the 2020 wildfire season
03:02:22.570 --> 03:02:26.060
and look forward to a
much cleaner approach
03:02:26.060 --> 03:02:28.360
in the very near future.
03:02:28.360 --> 03:02:33.360
So, I'm very pleased obviously
to support this decision.
03:02:35.542 --> 03:02:38.160
And again, thank you
03:02:38.160 --> 03:02:41.460
and the team, Judge
Rizzo, for all the hard work.
03:02:41.460 --> 03:02:42.610
It was quite something.
03:02:43.890 --> 03:02:46.920
So, I will also obviously
be supporting this,
03:02:46.920 --> 03:02:48.870
as I said earlier.
03:02:48.870 --> 03:02:50.160
Okay.
03:02:50.160 --> 03:02:53.200
So with that, any other final comments?
03:02:53.200 --> 03:02:56.770
Seeing none, will the agenda clerk
03:02:56.770 --> 03:02:59.863
please call the roll for item number 28?
03:03:01.476 --> 03:03:03.403
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:03:03.403 --> 03:03:05.052
Aye.
03:03:05.052 --> 03:03:07.191
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:03:07.191 --> 03:03:08.630
Aye.
03:03:08.630 --> 03:03:10.434
Commissioner Randolph?
03:03:10.434 --> 03:03:11.267
Aye.
03:03:12.590 --> 03:03:14.380
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:03:14.380 --> 03:03:15.213
Yes.
03:03:16.134 --> 03:03:18.220
President Batjer?
03:03:18.220 --> 03:03:19.830
Yes.
03:03:19.830 --> 03:03:23.210
Thank you, the vote is
unanimous for number 28.
03:03:23.210 --> 03:03:27.047
We will now turn to items 32, 33,
03:03:35.583 --> 03:03:38.597
34, 35, 36 and 37.
03:03:40.870 --> 03:03:42.710
They will be presented
03:03:42.710 --> 03:03:45.900
by our director of the
wildfire safety division,
03:03:45.900 --> 03:03:47.770
Caroline Thomas Jacobs.
03:03:47.770 --> 03:03:51.400
She will present each
one of these resolutions
03:03:51.400 --> 03:03:55.230
and then, certainly,
you can ask questions
03:03:55.230 --> 03:03:57.403
as she makes her presentation.
03:03:58.610 --> 03:04:03.610
Afterwards, we will take a
vote on each individual one,
03:04:05.620 --> 03:04:10.290
but following her presentation,
your comments and questions.
03:04:10.290 --> 03:04:13.570
So, we'll wait to vote.
03:04:13.570 --> 03:04:16.080
And as I said, we have to vote
individually on each of them,
03:04:16.080 --> 03:04:17.980
but we won't have the presentation,
03:04:17.980 --> 03:04:19.270
vote, presentation, vote.
03:04:19.270 --> 03:04:22.920
We'll take all the votes
together at the end.
03:04:22.920 --> 03:04:25.780
Okay, with that, Caroline?
03:04:25.780 --> 03:04:26.851
Thank
you President Batjer
03:04:26.851 --> 03:04:28.470
and good afternoon Commissioners.
03:04:28.470 --> 03:04:29.303
Thank you for the opportunity
03:04:29.303 --> 03:04:32.060
to present the wildfire
safety division's evaluation
03:04:32.060 --> 03:04:34.430
and determinations
on the electrical utilities'
03:04:34.430 --> 03:04:36.780
2020 wildfire mitigation plans
03:04:36.780 --> 03:04:39.450
for your consideration on ratification.
03:04:39.450 --> 03:04:40.670
I will provide a short overview
03:04:40.670 --> 03:04:42.510
of how we structured
the evaluations this year,
03:04:42.510 --> 03:04:46.490
and then provide a summary
of our evaluation for each plan.
03:04:46.490 --> 03:04:49.070
Newly established as
of January 1 of this year,
03:04:49.070 --> 03:04:51.370
the wildfire safety
division's purpose is
03:04:51.370 --> 03:04:52.890
to ensure utilities develop
03:04:52.890 --> 03:04:54.900
and implement a longterm strategy
03:04:54.900 --> 03:04:57.920
to reduce utility related wildfire risk.
03:04:57.920 --> 03:05:00.200
Our primary vehicle
to do this is oversight
03:05:00.200 --> 03:05:02.665
of the wildfire mitigation plan.
03:05:02.665 --> 03:05:04.310
In December of 2019,
03:05:04.310 --> 03:05:06.440
the Commission released
new plan guidelines,
03:05:06.440 --> 03:05:09.287
which significantly raised
the bar on the level of data
03:05:09.287 --> 03:05:11.770
and justification utilities are expected
03:05:11.770 --> 03:05:14.150
to provide in their plans.
03:05:14.150 --> 03:05:16.410
The objectives for these
new guidelines were
03:05:16.410 --> 03:05:20.030
to increase standardization,
improve objectivity,
03:05:20.030 --> 03:05:22.670
and drive a forward looking focus.
03:05:22.670 --> 03:05:23.740
On February 7th,
03:05:23.740 --> 03:05:26.820
the electrical corporations
submitted their 2020 plans
03:05:26.820 --> 03:05:28.740
and supporting data.
03:05:28.740 --> 03:05:31.360
The division conducted a
thorough and consistent review
03:05:31.360 --> 03:05:33.920
with a 27 member evaluation team,
03:05:33.920 --> 03:05:36.520
consisting of 18
subject matter, writing,
03:05:36.520 --> 03:05:40.060
and project management experts
from across the Commission
03:05:40.060 --> 03:05:43.653
plus nine additional subject
matter experts from Cal Fire.
03:05:44.810 --> 03:05:48.170
We hosted an information and
technical workshops in February
03:05:48.170 --> 03:05:50.283
and solicited and considered
comments from the public
03:05:50.283 --> 03:05:53.003
and the wildfire safety
advisory board in.
03:06:02.210 --> 03:06:05.403
Efficient use of resources
and forward looking growth.
03:06:06.420 --> 03:06:08.700
After a full and complete
evaluation of each plan,
03:06:08.700 --> 03:06:11.140
we selected one of the
following determinations,
03:06:11.140 --> 03:06:13.240
approved, approved with conditions,
03:06:13.240 --> 03:06:15.750
or in one case, no determination.
03:06:15.750 --> 03:06:16.750
We made the determination
03:06:16.750 --> 03:06:19.220
to approve most plans with conditions,
03:06:19.220 --> 03:06:21.750
while each plan meets
minimum requirements
03:06:21.750 --> 03:06:25.230
and is directionally focused
on reducing wildfire risks,
03:06:25.230 --> 03:06:26.950
there remains significant concerns
03:06:26.950 --> 03:06:28.493
with specific deficiencies.
03:06:29.480 --> 03:06:32.020
Deficiencies are organized
into three categories,
03:06:32.020 --> 03:06:34.210
class, A, B and C.
03:06:34.210 --> 03:06:37.500
A class A deficiency means
an aspect of the plan is lacking
03:06:37.500 --> 03:06:40.170
or flawed, to resolve class A,
03:06:40.170 --> 03:06:43.010
the utility must provide a
remedial compliance plan
03:06:43.010 --> 03:06:44.423
within 45 days.
03:06:45.370 --> 03:06:47.110
A class B deficiency means
03:06:47.110 --> 03:06:49.140
that there is insufficient detail
03:06:49.140 --> 03:06:52.140
or justification provided in their plan.
03:06:52.140 --> 03:06:55.450
To resolve a class B, the
utility must submit a resolution
03:06:55.450 --> 03:06:59.103
or pass a resolution in a
quarterly report within 90 days.
03:07:00.154 --> 03:07:02.900
A class C deficiency means
there are gaps in baseline
03:07:02.900 --> 03:07:04.770
or historical data.
03:07:04.770 --> 03:07:06.325
To resolve a class C,
03:07:06.325 --> 03:07:08.090
the utility must resolve the deficiency
03:07:08.090 --> 03:07:10.903
by or within their 2021 plan update.
03:07:12.250 --> 03:07:13.630
We received public comments
03:07:13.630 --> 03:07:15.760
on the draft resolutions last week.
03:07:15.760 --> 03:07:18.290
Some minor changes were
made such as reclassification
03:07:18.290 --> 03:07:21.090
of conditions and some
clarifications were added.
03:07:21.090 --> 03:07:23.690
Most of the resolution's
substance remains the same.
03:07:24.570 --> 03:07:25.820
In the guidance resolution,
03:07:25.820 --> 03:07:27.640
we provided context and analysis
03:07:27.640 --> 03:07:29.490
that applies to all of the utilities,
03:07:29.490 --> 03:07:31.170
including common deficiencies
03:07:31.170 --> 03:07:34.380
that apply to the
large and small utilities.
03:07:34.380 --> 03:07:36.100
There is one class A deficiency
03:07:36.100 --> 03:07:39.423
for lack of risk modeling
to inform decision making.
03:07:41.640 --> 03:07:44.013
We also have, I'll call
out for the comments
03:07:44.013 --> 03:07:45.640
that were made earlier
today by the public
03:07:45.640 --> 03:07:48.633
that we also have two
class B deficiencies,
03:07:50.230 --> 03:07:52.880
guidance four addresses the PSPS metrics
03:07:52.880 --> 03:07:54.980
that one of the commenters highlighted
03:07:54.980 --> 03:07:57.790
and they must demonstrate
the effectiveness
03:07:57.790 --> 03:08:00.190
of their enhanced vegetation
management as well.
03:08:01.760 --> 03:08:03.940
There's also an additional
class A deficiency
03:08:03.940 --> 03:08:06.320
for the three large
IOUs that requires them
03:08:06.320 --> 03:08:07.860
to demonstrate the effectiveness
03:08:07.860 --> 03:08:10.643
of this enhanced vegetation
management practices.
03:08:11.840 --> 03:08:14.170
As for our assessment
of the individual utilities,
03:08:14.170 --> 03:08:16.720
I will start with PG&E.
03:08:16.720 --> 03:08:18.960
PG&E's plan met minimum requirements,
03:08:18.960 --> 03:08:21.680
demonstrated an understanding
of their top ignition drivers
03:08:21.680 --> 03:08:24.950
and articulates activities
to address those drivers.
03:08:24.950 --> 03:08:28.440
Specifically, PG&E's top
drivers are contact from objects
03:08:28.440 --> 03:08:32.140
at 56% and equipment failure at 37%,
03:08:32.140 --> 03:08:34.010
which they're addressing
with covered conductor,
03:08:34.010 --> 03:08:35.790
enhanced vegetation
management protocols,
03:08:35.790 --> 03:08:38.323
and a number of other
system hardening efforts.
03:08:38.323 --> 03:08:39.390
It is unclear, however,
03:08:39.390 --> 03:08:42.270
how their risk models are
used to drive prioritization
03:08:42.270 --> 03:08:44.930
of specific wildfire
mitigation initiatives
03:08:44.930 --> 03:08:48.070
to minimize wildfire risk and PSPS.
03:08:48.070 --> 03:08:50.680
For example, PG&E does
not describe in a granular way
03:08:50.680 --> 03:08:53.580
where asset remediation,
vegetation management,
03:08:53.580 --> 03:08:56.110
and grid hardening
initiatives are most necessary,
03:08:56.110 --> 03:08:58.690
how it prioritizes
deployment of those initiatives
03:08:58.690 --> 03:09:00.950
nor how it coordinates prioritization
03:09:00.950 --> 03:09:02.830
at local jurisdictions.
03:09:02.830 --> 03:09:06.110
We assessed a total of
29 individual deficiencies
03:09:06.110 --> 03:09:07.160
on PG&E's plan.
03:09:07.160 --> 03:09:09.460
There are seven class A deficiencies,
03:09:09.460 --> 03:09:11.790
including aggregation of initiatives,
03:09:11.790 --> 03:09:14.900
lack of detail on how to
address personnel shortages,
03:09:14.900 --> 03:09:16.860
high incidents of conductor failure
03:09:16.860 --> 03:09:19.060
and poor coordination
with local government.
03:09:19.900 --> 03:09:21.080
As previously mentioned,
03:09:21.080 --> 03:09:22.900
we also have a class A to demonstrate
03:09:22.900 --> 03:09:25.110
that PG&E must require a,
03:09:25.110 --> 03:09:26.570
is required to demonstrate effectiveness
03:09:26.570 --> 03:09:29.120
on their enhanced vegetation
management clearances.
03:09:29.970 --> 03:09:32.470
Wildfire safety division
issued a determination
03:09:32.470 --> 03:09:33.770
of approval with conditions
03:09:33.770 --> 03:09:36.543
on the PG&E 2020
wildfire mitigation plan.
03:09:37.800 --> 03:09:39.320
As for Southern California Edison,
03:09:39.320 --> 03:09:41.110
their plan met minimum requirements
03:09:41.110 --> 03:09:44.220
and articulated activities
to drive down wildfire risks
03:09:44.220 --> 03:09:46.210
within their service territory.
03:09:46.210 --> 03:09:49.360
Edison has allocated over
40% of their plan spend
03:09:49.360 --> 03:09:50.450
to cover conductor.
03:09:50.450 --> 03:09:53.280
And it's deploying 700
circuit miles of cover conductor
03:09:53.280 --> 03:09:58.280
in 2020 with a target of
4,500 miles by the end of 2022.
03:09:58.390 --> 03:09:59.720
Due to this large investment,
03:09:59.720 --> 03:10:03.410
we have asked for more
detail and more justification.
03:10:03.410 --> 03:10:04.350
Edison failed, however,
03:10:04.350 --> 03:10:07.100
to adequately address how
they are driving reduction scale,
03:10:07.100 --> 03:10:08.980
scope and frequency of the need
03:10:08.980 --> 03:10:11.388
to use public safety power shut off.
03:10:11.388 --> 03:10:13.710
They provide no firm
commitment to PSPS reduction
03:10:13.710 --> 03:10:14.543
and do not describe
03:10:14.543 --> 03:10:16.740
how their risk hardening
work affects PS,
03:10:16.740 --> 03:10:18.840
that's initiation threshold.
03:10:18.840 --> 03:10:22.160
We've assessed a total of
22 individual deficiencies,
03:10:22.160 --> 03:10:24.730
including three class A deficiencies,
03:10:24.730 --> 03:10:27.490
one being determining
cause of near misses,
03:10:27.490 --> 03:10:28.460
lack of effectiveness
03:10:28.460 --> 03:10:31.070
in their enhanced vegetation clearances,
03:10:31.070 --> 03:10:32.040
and lack of advancement
03:10:32.040 --> 03:10:34.040
in vegetation management and inspection.
03:10:36.050 --> 03:10:38.160
I also will mention
that they have a class B
03:10:38.160 --> 03:10:41.343
that addresses one of the
public commenters questions
03:10:41.343 --> 03:10:45.160
that they must justify the 70% reduction
03:10:45.160 --> 03:10:46.973
in ignition risk.
03:10:48.040 --> 03:10:49.931
Wildfire safety division
issued a determination
03:10:49.931 --> 03:10:51.460
of approval with conditions
03:10:51.460 --> 03:10:54.023
on Edison's 2020
wildfire mitigation plan.
03:10:55.250 --> 03:10:56.830
San Diego Gas and Electric's plan
03:10:56.830 --> 03:10:58.550
also met minimum requirements,
03:10:58.550 --> 03:11:00.610
demonstrated a clear
understanding of their risks
03:11:00.610 --> 03:11:02.450
and articulated multiple initiatives
03:11:02.450 --> 03:11:04.060
to drive down wildfire risk
03:11:04.060 --> 03:11:05.900
within their service territory.
03:11:05.900 --> 03:11:07.290
As is generally accepted,
03:11:07.290 --> 03:11:11.130
they remain ahead of their
peers in wildfire risk reduction.
03:11:11.130 --> 03:11:13.370
They continue to explore
new emerging technologies
03:11:13.370 --> 03:11:15.680
to strengthen their risk
reduction capabilities.
03:11:15.680 --> 03:11:17.040
And are developing the infrastructure
03:11:17.040 --> 03:11:19.120
to allow for longterm growth.
03:11:19.120 --> 03:11:20.313
They are not perfect, however.
03:11:20.313 --> 03:11:22.650
They do not always
provide detail to justify
03:11:22.650 --> 03:11:25.300
or articulate how their
investments are an efficient use
03:11:25.300 --> 03:11:28.480
of resources and provide
the greatest risk reduction.
03:11:28.480 --> 03:11:30.890
And they run the risk
of diminishing returns.
03:11:30.890 --> 03:11:33.070
They need to show how
continued investments provide
03:11:33.070 --> 03:11:35.200
additional reduction in risk.
03:11:35.200 --> 03:11:37.780
We assessed a total of
16 individual deficiencies,
03:11:37.780 --> 03:11:39.730
including one class A deficiency,
03:11:39.730 --> 03:11:43.280
related to the enhanced
vegetation management clearances.
03:11:43.280 --> 03:11:45.480
Wildfire safety division
issued a determination
03:11:45.480 --> 03:11:48.060
of approval with conditions
on San Diego Gas and Electric's
03:11:48.060 --> 03:11:49.883
2020 wildfire mitigation plan.
03:11:51.000 --> 03:11:54.360
Liberty and Pacific Corp's
plans met minimum requirements,
03:11:54.360 --> 03:11:56.340
both made a good faith effort to comply
03:11:56.340 --> 03:11:59.670
with this new 2020 wildfire
mitigation plan guidelines,
03:11:59.670 --> 03:12:02.040
many requirements
were new, as they are not,
03:12:02.040 --> 03:12:03.560
have not been subject to the S map
03:12:03.560 --> 03:12:06.210
and ramp requirements
of the larger IOUs.
03:12:06.210 --> 03:12:08.490
Initiatives generally
address major risk drivers,
03:12:08.490 --> 03:12:11.220
including vegetation contact
and system hardening,
03:12:11.220 --> 03:12:13.430
the capabilities
required to justify these
03:12:13.430 --> 03:12:15.280
based on risk reduction,
03:12:15.280 --> 03:12:17.320
or layout and risk informed
deployment strategy
03:12:17.320 --> 03:12:19.758
have not yet been developed.
03:12:19.758 --> 03:12:21.880
Liberty assessed at a
lower maturity baseline
03:12:21.880 --> 03:12:22.970
than Pacific Corp,
03:12:22.970 --> 03:12:25.550
but both were targeting
growth in capabilities related
03:12:25.550 --> 03:12:27.210
to risk informed decision making
03:12:27.210 --> 03:12:29.380
over the course of their plan.
03:12:29.380 --> 03:12:31.870
We assessed a total of
five individual deficiencies
03:12:31.870 --> 03:12:33.790
for Liberty and seven for Pacific Corp.
03:12:33.790 --> 03:12:37.097
There are no class A
deficiencies for either.
03:12:37.097 --> 03:12:39.170
The wildfire safety division
issued a determination
03:12:39.170 --> 03:12:40.330
of approval with conditions
03:12:40.330 --> 03:12:41.990
for both Liberty and Pacific Corp's
03:12:41.990 --> 03:12:43.823
2020 wildfire mitigation plans.
03:12:44.840 --> 03:12:47.780
The division approved
in full the Horizon West
03:12:47.780 --> 03:12:49.320
and Trans Bay plans.
03:12:49.320 --> 03:12:50.450
They addressed all requirements
03:12:50.450 --> 03:12:52.270
in the wildfire
mitigation plan guidelines
03:12:52.270 --> 03:12:54.717
and do not face the same risk exposure.
03:12:54.717 --> 03:12:57.620
One undergrounding initiative
of Horizon West is delayed
03:12:57.620 --> 03:12:59.940
to a San Diego easement.
03:12:59.940 --> 03:13:00.773
And our determination
03:13:00.773 --> 03:13:03.629
on the Bear Valley's electric
plan is on a two week hold
03:13:03.629 --> 03:13:05.460
due to a dorada.
03:13:05.460 --> 03:13:08.380
Bear Valley submitted a
change to the plan on May 22nd,
03:13:08.380 --> 03:13:11.150
which substantially altered
the contents of the plan
03:13:11.150 --> 03:13:13.750
and reduced the total
spend from 247 million
03:13:13.750 --> 03:13:15.480
to 46 million.
03:13:15.480 --> 03:13:17.650
It is also worth noting that
they initially did not comply
03:13:17.650 --> 03:13:19.220
with the 2020 guidelines
03:13:19.220 --> 03:13:22.100
and submitted their
plan in the 2019 format.
03:13:22.100 --> 03:13:24.130
The division issued a
statement earlier this week,
03:13:24.130 --> 03:13:26.350
extending our evaluation timeline,
03:13:26.350 --> 03:13:28.650
and we'll be issuing
further guidance shortly.
03:13:29.630 --> 03:13:31.670
In summary, all of the submitted plans
03:13:31.670 --> 03:13:33.940
for which we were
presenting resolutions today
03:13:33.940 --> 03:13:36.840
will drive down our
shared utility wildfire risk.
03:13:36.840 --> 03:13:37.790
There remain, however,
03:13:37.790 --> 03:13:39.780
a significant number of deficiencies
03:13:39.780 --> 03:13:41.850
in their wildfire mitigation plans,
03:13:41.850 --> 03:13:44.440
that must be addressed
before we have full confidence
03:13:44.440 --> 03:13:45.580
that the plans articulate
03:13:45.580 --> 03:13:48.360
prioritized wildfire
mitigation investments
03:13:48.360 --> 03:13:50.760
that buy down the most risk.
03:13:50.760 --> 03:13:52.490
The true reduction
in this risk will come
03:13:52.490 --> 03:13:54.630
from the execution of these plans,
03:13:54.630 --> 03:13:57.340
which we will hold each of
the utilities accountable to
03:13:57.340 --> 03:13:59.950
through the division's
compliance activities.
03:13:59.950 --> 03:14:01.420
To date the division has conducted
03:14:01.420 --> 03:14:03.170
over 500 field inspections
03:14:03.170 --> 03:14:04.877
on wildfire mitigation activities,
03:14:04.877 --> 03:14:07.120
and we expect to complete over 2,000
03:14:07.120 --> 03:14:08.343
by the end of this year.
03:14:09.350 --> 03:14:12.870
Before I close, I'd like
to wish a big thank you
03:14:12.870 --> 03:14:16.570
to the talented technical
experts, public commenters,
03:14:16.570 --> 03:14:18.700
wildfire safety advisory board,
03:14:18.700 --> 03:14:21.217
and our partnership
with Cal Fire in this effort.
03:14:21.217 --> 03:14:23.380
It has been a true team
effort to get this done
03:14:23.380 --> 03:14:24.880
in the timeline we were given.
03:14:25.976 --> 03:14:27.980
With that, I submit to
you for your consideration
03:14:27.980 --> 03:14:30.087
of ratification, the
guidance resolution,
03:14:30.087 --> 03:14:32.190
and six individual resolutions
03:14:32.190 --> 03:14:33.620
that articulate the full context
03:14:33.620 --> 03:14:36.240
and analysis of the wildfire
safety division's assessment
03:14:36.240 --> 03:14:38.490
and determination
on the electric utilities'
03:14:38.490 --> 03:14:40.750
2020 wildfire mitigation plans.
03:14:40.750 --> 03:14:42.280
Thank you and I'm
happy to take questions.
03:14:42.280 --> 03:14:43.900
Thank you.
03:14:43.900 --> 03:14:46.620
Are there any questions
from the Commissioners
03:14:46.620 --> 03:14:50.863
on the presentation that Director
Thomas Jacobs just gave?
03:14:53.030 --> 03:14:55.350
Yes, Commissioner, no, no, no.
03:14:55.350 --> 03:14:58.596
You won this time. Commissioner
Rechtschaffen (laughs).
03:14:58.596 --> 03:14:59.587
I thought, If I
was there first,
03:14:59.587 --> 03:15:02.160
I'd be elbowing people out.
03:15:02.160 --> 03:15:05.680
Caroline, can you comment on the role
03:15:05.680 --> 03:15:08.740
of the wildfire safety
board in this process?
03:15:08.740 --> 03:15:10.840
I know they reviewed the plan,
03:15:10.840 --> 03:15:14.410
submitted 12 or 15 recommendations.
03:15:14.410 --> 03:15:16.640
So maybe, could you
just elaborate on that
03:15:16.640 --> 03:15:18.330
and what's the status going forward
03:15:18.330 --> 03:15:21.373
of the recommendations
that they submitted?
03:15:21.373 --> 03:15:22.530
Yes. Thank
you, Commissioner.
03:15:22.530 --> 03:15:25.070
So, yeah, so they reviewed the plans,
03:15:25.070 --> 03:15:27.440
provided comments in our initial round
03:15:27.440 --> 03:15:29.490
of developing the draft resolutions
03:15:29.490 --> 03:15:31.270
and we incorporated their comments.
03:15:31.270 --> 03:15:34.450
They revolved around
a lot of the metrics
03:15:34.450 --> 03:15:35.890
on public safety power shutoff,
03:15:35.890 --> 03:15:37.810
as well as vegetation management,
03:15:37.810 --> 03:15:41.423
making sure that we were
assessing properly the way
03:15:41.423 --> 03:15:44.163
that the utilities are
addressing those issues.
03:15:45.130 --> 03:15:46.890
We very much appreciate their comments
03:15:46.890 --> 03:15:50.580
'cause their technical
expertise in this area was vital
03:15:50.580 --> 03:15:52.260
in our evaluation.
03:15:52.260 --> 03:15:54.270
In terms of going forward,
03:15:54.270 --> 03:15:57.320
they are in the process of
developing recommendations
03:15:57.320 --> 03:16:00.460
for furthering the guidelines
on performance metrics
03:16:00.460 --> 03:16:02.600
around wildfire mitigation plans
03:16:02.600 --> 03:16:03.860
and they're going to be submitting those
03:16:03.860 --> 03:16:05.400
by the end of this month.
03:16:05.400 --> 03:16:06.890
And then we will be incorporating those
03:16:06.890 --> 03:16:08.470
into our recommendations
03:16:08.470 --> 03:16:11.430
that we'll put before the
Commission by October
03:16:11.430 --> 03:16:14.353
for consideration in the
2021 plan guidelines.
03:16:16.210 --> 03:16:17.043
Thank you.
03:16:18.586 --> 03:16:20.330
Are there are questions
or comments from the,
03:16:20.330 --> 03:16:21.580
oh, I'm sorry.
03:16:21.580 --> 03:16:24.323
Commissioner Guzman
Aceves, you had a question.
03:16:25.680 --> 03:16:26.782
Thank you.
03:16:26.782 --> 03:16:27.870
And thank you, Caroline,
03:16:27.870 --> 03:16:31.240
for the tremendous and excellent work
03:16:31.240 --> 03:16:32.310
that's been done today,
03:16:32.310 --> 03:16:37.310
this is really been amazing
to see come into fruition
03:16:38.050 --> 03:16:40.480
and come into such clarity
03:16:40.480 --> 03:16:45.130
and the ability to really be
able to track the progress,
03:16:45.130 --> 03:16:50.130
to measure the progress with
expertise and comparability.
03:16:50.626 --> 03:16:53.870
I want, I had two questions
that I know we talked about
03:16:53.870 --> 03:16:54.970
in some of the briefings
03:16:54.970 --> 03:16:57.690
and I wondered if
you can talk a little bit
03:16:57.690 --> 03:17:00.700
about what you're seeing moving forward
03:17:00.700 --> 03:17:05.000
in terms of accounting
for the resources,
03:17:05.000 --> 03:17:07.010
in terms of the revenue
that's going to be used
03:17:07.010 --> 03:17:09.367
to pay for all of these investments
03:17:09.367 --> 03:17:12.530
and how we're going
to be able to continue
03:17:12.530 --> 03:17:17.237
to cross check that there's
not a potential for, you know,
03:17:19.730 --> 03:17:23.720
for charging for some of
these investments multiple times
03:17:23.720 --> 03:17:26.270
or for being able to do so
03:17:28.230 --> 03:17:30.333
in a uniform way in the future.
03:17:31.490 --> 03:17:33.930
Sure. Thank you for
the question Commissioner.
03:17:33.930 --> 03:17:36.150
So, absolutely, one of the,
03:17:36.150 --> 03:17:38.800
one thing we clarified
in the resolutions was
03:17:38.800 --> 03:17:41.460
that the approval of the
plans does not approve,
03:17:41.460 --> 03:17:44.530
necessarily, cost recovery
of any of those investments,
03:17:44.530 --> 03:17:46.840
that will be handled through
the standard mechanisms
03:17:46.840 --> 03:17:48.480
within the Commission.
03:17:48.480 --> 03:17:49.313
In the meantime,
03:17:49.313 --> 03:17:53.080
we are also in the process
of executing a contract
03:17:53.080 --> 03:17:56.087
with a forensic accountant
to look at the 2019
03:17:56.087 --> 03:17:58.237
and the 2020 plans.
03:17:58.237 --> 03:18:01.590
And to compare those to
the past general rate cases
03:18:01.590 --> 03:18:04.960
and other cost recovery
mechanisms that have been approved
03:18:04.960 --> 03:18:06.040
to ensure that we're,
03:18:06.040 --> 03:18:09.800
that the utilities are
not submitting duplicate
03:18:09.800 --> 03:18:13.040
cost recovery efforts
for these activities.
03:18:14.840 --> 03:18:17.590
Great, and then, and the
other question I had was
03:18:17.590 --> 03:18:21.300
on the corrective action plans.
03:18:21.300 --> 03:18:23.060
I forget the term you're using for them,
03:18:23.060 --> 03:18:26.253
but for the A and the B categories,
03:18:27.490 --> 03:18:30.450
do we know what kind of
public process we'll be using
03:18:30.450 --> 03:18:32.583
to allow the public to comment on those?
03:18:33.735 --> 03:18:34.750
So, we're in the process
03:18:34.750 --> 03:18:38.420
of finalizing the process
we will have in place for that.
03:18:38.420 --> 03:18:40.230
And the division will
be issuing guidance
03:18:40.230 --> 03:18:42.150
on that very shortly.
03:18:42.150 --> 03:18:45.937
But I, the, just to clarify
for folks on the class A,
03:18:45.937 --> 03:18:50.200
the remedial compliance
plan will be due within 45 days
03:18:51.100 --> 03:18:54.300
and it is my intention to be
able to get comment on that.
03:18:55.390 --> 03:18:56.623
Great. Thank you.
03:18:58.647 --> 03:19:01.040
Great, other
comments or questions
03:19:01.040 --> 03:19:04.313
of Director Thomas Jacobs?
03:19:08.040 --> 03:19:10.920
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma.
03:19:10.920 --> 03:19:11.937
Okay. Thank you.
03:19:12.992 --> 03:19:14.571
Comments, really.
03:19:14.571 --> 03:19:18.427
And I hope this is the proper
time to be saying all this
03:19:18.427 --> 03:19:19.737
and say, thank you,
03:19:20.692 --> 03:19:23.060
to the wildfire safe division,
03:19:23.060 --> 03:19:25.194
boy, I tell ya, this last year
03:19:25.194 --> 03:19:28.710
and these last few months
have just been a testimonial
03:19:28.710 --> 03:19:30.590
to the tremendous amount of work
03:19:30.590 --> 03:19:35.180
that the Commission is
doing and to meet deadlines,
03:19:35.180 --> 03:19:40.180
to address issues, to get our work done,
03:19:41.760 --> 03:19:44.318
all in preparation for (coughs),
03:19:44.318 --> 03:19:47.530
well, in the near term,
but also a longterm.
03:19:47.530 --> 03:19:51.723
So, the guidance, the resolutions,
03:19:53.260 --> 03:19:55.390
I'm just gratified that they represent
03:19:56.420 --> 03:19:57.253
like a step
03:19:57.253 --> 03:20:01.010
in California's increasingly
sophisticated response
03:20:01.010 --> 03:20:02.993
to mitigate wildfire risk.
03:20:03.920 --> 03:20:06.770
From the the wildfire
technology summit held last year
03:20:06.770 --> 03:20:08.960
at CSU SAC state,
03:20:08.960 --> 03:20:10.790
to the creation of the
wildfire safety division
03:20:10.790 --> 03:20:12.713
and wildfire safety advisory board,
03:20:13.630 --> 03:20:17.820
to the review of this year's
wildfire mitigation plan
03:20:17.820 --> 03:20:22.610
and holding in techniques
like maturity model,
03:20:22.610 --> 03:20:25.110
we've come a long way in our efforts
03:20:25.110 --> 03:20:27.720
to ensure we're doing all we can
03:20:27.720 --> 03:20:31.340
to reduce the number
and severity of the,
03:20:31.340 --> 03:20:34.630
of the utility caused wildfires.
03:20:34.630 --> 03:20:39.460
Now, I have touted California's efforts
03:20:39.460 --> 03:20:42.470
to our national colleagues,
03:20:42.470 --> 03:20:45.945
the national regulatory
utility Commissioners,
03:20:45.945 --> 03:20:50.945
and it is, it's a sort of
pride to tout this good work.
03:20:53.830 --> 03:20:55.440
Now that being said,
03:20:55.440 --> 03:20:58.136
of course we have
lots of work to do ahead.
03:20:58.136 --> 03:21:02.680
And I'll be looking with a keen eye
03:21:02.680 --> 03:21:06.430
to what the utilities
submit in the next 45 days
03:21:06.430 --> 03:21:09.030
and 90 days regarding plans
03:21:09.030 --> 03:21:12.020
to address the deficiencies outlined
03:21:12.020 --> 03:21:14.503
in the proposed
wildfire mitigation plan,
03:21:15.360 --> 03:21:17.143
and a particular concern for me,
03:21:18.530 --> 03:21:21.000
I mentioned last year and
throughout this process
03:21:22.000 --> 03:21:23.510
about certified arborists
03:21:25.150 --> 03:21:27.600
and the importance of
using certified arborists
03:21:27.600 --> 03:21:30.340
to guide the vegetation
management efforts.
03:21:30.340 --> 03:21:35.340
This arises out of my 20
years of experience at SMUD
03:21:35.370 --> 03:21:37.740
where, whether it's
the transmission lines
03:21:37.740 --> 03:21:42.480
or the distribution lines, the
vegetation management trees,
03:21:42.480 --> 03:21:45.200
vegetation and so
forth, it's so essential
03:21:45.200 --> 03:21:46.450
that you do it right.
03:21:46.450 --> 03:21:48.410
And the dividends that were paid
03:21:48.410 --> 03:21:53.410
by having a certified
arborist there to guide that,
03:21:54.120 --> 03:21:59.120
and I mean, I went to
a community meeting
03:21:59.290 --> 03:22:01.250
in the South County area
03:22:01.250 --> 03:22:04.040
and I faced television
cameras which showed up
03:22:04.040 --> 03:22:06.560
and a very outraged community
03:22:06.560 --> 03:22:09.560
because some of the tree
trimmers had come through
03:22:09.560 --> 03:22:13.540
and taken these 100
plus year old oak trees
03:22:13.540 --> 03:22:15.683
and cut those V cuts into them,
03:22:17.250 --> 03:22:19.440
it was quite horrendous,
03:22:19.440 --> 03:22:23.680
and having, and so assuring,
03:22:23.680 --> 03:22:25.253
particularly after that experience,
03:22:25.253 --> 03:22:29.503
that we had certified
arborists on task, on staff,
03:22:31.090 --> 03:22:32.960
helped guide the tree trimmers
03:22:32.960 --> 03:22:37.360
and also helped us to have
a good working relationship
03:22:37.360 --> 03:22:40.330
with the communities
affected, both ways,
03:22:40.330 --> 03:22:43.990
for safety, applied the laws
03:22:43.990 --> 03:22:46.580
and also, to really pay attention
03:22:46.580 --> 03:22:48.790
to the vegetation management.
03:22:48.790 --> 03:22:51.670
So, I'll be paying particular attention
03:22:51.670 --> 03:22:54.490
to the utilities' performance
in respect to this piece
03:22:54.490 --> 03:22:56.883
And of course, all of it, all of it,
03:22:56.883 --> 03:23:01.883
45 days to 90 days, we'll be
receiving their action plans.
03:23:02.321 --> 03:23:03.154
All right?
03:23:03.154 --> 03:23:06.130
Addressing the deficiencies
and the follow up items
03:23:06.130 --> 03:23:08.940
that are needed by all of the IOUs
03:23:08.940 --> 03:23:12.670
to comply with these plans,
that we are poised to vote on.
03:23:12.670 --> 03:23:13.503
Thank you.
03:23:14.488 --> 03:23:16.320
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma.
03:23:16.320 --> 03:23:17.883
Yes, Commissioner Randolph.
03:23:24.080 --> 03:23:26.426
Sorry, I was trying to
mute the wrong thing again,
03:23:26.426 --> 03:23:28.326
unmute the wrong thing again (laughs).
03:23:30.010 --> 03:23:33.720
I just wanted to thank
Caroline for all of her work.
03:23:33.720 --> 03:23:37.830
The distance we have come
03:23:37.830 --> 03:23:40.430
from our first set of
wildfire mitigation plans
03:23:40.430 --> 03:23:45.080
to this set has been incredibly dramatic
03:23:45.080 --> 03:23:48.480
and the development of
things like the maturity model
03:23:48.480 --> 03:23:53.480
to be able to track and assess
the progress of the utilities
03:23:54.150 --> 03:23:57.380
as these plans improve over the years
03:23:57.380 --> 03:24:00.900
is a really important
addition to this process.
03:24:00.900 --> 03:24:03.593
And as I've said before in the past,
03:24:04.430 --> 03:24:09.430
the close supervision
that we are now providing
03:24:12.090 --> 03:24:14.490
with regard to the utilities adherent
03:24:14.490 --> 03:24:19.490
to their wildfire mitigation
effort is reaping dividends.
03:24:22.020 --> 03:24:24.920
And I think will continue to
reap dividends going forward.
03:24:25.900 --> 03:24:29.850
So, I appreciate all the analysis
03:24:29.850 --> 03:24:33.083
and hard work and supervision.
03:24:33.960 --> 03:24:38.960
And I am hopeful that as
the years go by the frequency
03:24:40.270 --> 03:24:44.240
and severity of wildfire
events will dissipate significantly
03:24:44.240 --> 03:24:45.820
as a result of all of this work.
03:24:45.820 --> 03:24:50.820
So, thank you so much
for all of this thoughtful
03:24:51.000 --> 03:24:52.293
and careful analysis.
03:24:55.370 --> 03:24:57.820
Yes, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen?
03:24:58.680 --> 03:25:01.160
Commissioner Randolph
said exactly what I was about
03:25:01.160 --> 03:25:04.597
to say, which is, it's astonishing.
03:25:04.597 --> 03:25:07.570
When we approved the first set of plans
03:25:07.570 --> 03:25:11.870
or the first set of plans
required by AB 1054 last year,
03:25:11.870 --> 03:25:14.810
we knew that it was just a
start of an iterative process,
03:25:14.810 --> 03:25:17.930
but the amount of progress
that's been made in just a year
03:25:17.930 --> 03:25:20.640
or two is really astonishing.
03:25:20.640 --> 03:25:23.940
And especially given the
punishing pace and the schedule
03:25:23.940 --> 03:25:26.890
that Caroline and her
team and all the ALJs
03:25:26.890 --> 03:25:31.890
and staff have had to work
under, the maturity matrix model,
03:25:32.880 --> 03:25:35.660
the new outcome and progress metrics,
03:25:35.660 --> 03:25:38.240
the standardized data are cutting edge.
03:25:38.240 --> 03:25:40.720
They're really important.
They're very objective.
03:25:40.720 --> 03:25:43.200
They're detailed, they're
highly sophisticated.
03:25:43.200 --> 03:25:45.730
They allow for peer to peer comparison
03:25:45.730 --> 03:25:47.690
and they really do move
the ball very much forward.
03:25:47.690 --> 03:25:49.610
So, I completely share
03:25:49.610 --> 03:25:53.440
and adopt what Commissioner
Randolph's remarks.
03:25:53.440 --> 03:25:57.020
I wanted to say, one of
the things which I think,
03:25:57.020 --> 03:25:59.370
which is that the focus
03:25:59.370 --> 03:26:03.720
of the wildfire safety
division's analysis
03:26:03.720 --> 03:26:07.400
of deficiencies on, is just right.
03:26:07.400 --> 03:26:11.360
And particularly important
is highlighting the failure
03:26:11.360 --> 03:26:12.940
of the utilities
03:26:12.940 --> 03:26:17.060
to explain how the mitigation
measures they are choosing
03:26:17.060 --> 03:26:20.750
are resulting in real risk reduction
03:26:20.750 --> 03:26:23.930
and real risk reduction
at the lowest cost.
03:26:23.930 --> 03:26:25.920
This gets at a point
that we've grappled with
03:26:25.920 --> 03:26:29.250
for many years, that Commissioner
Guzman Aceves mentioned,
03:26:29.250 --> 03:26:32.130
we don't want simply
spending for spending sake.
03:26:32.130 --> 03:26:36.260
We want it to be smart
and effective and efficient.
03:26:36.260 --> 03:26:37.367
And it was,
03:26:38.358 --> 03:26:41.710
it was disappointing to
learn that the utilities had,
03:26:41.710 --> 03:26:45.210
none of the major utilities
had employed risk-spend
03:26:45.210 --> 03:26:49.380
efficiency analysis in their
wildfire mitigation plans.
03:26:49.380 --> 03:26:52.520
This was, not just
more important than ever
03:26:52.520 --> 03:26:54.540
given the scale of the investments,
03:26:54.540 --> 03:26:56.960
we're talking about billions of dollars
03:26:56.960 --> 03:26:59.610
in these wildfire mitigation plans,
03:26:59.610 --> 03:27:01.680
even more important with
the rate pressures we're going
03:27:01.680 --> 03:27:04.180
to face with dealing with COVID.
03:27:04.180 --> 03:27:05.850
This is not a novel concept.
03:27:05.850 --> 03:27:08.940
It's a concept that we've
been working with utilities on
03:27:08.940 --> 03:27:10.010
for a number of years
03:27:10.010 --> 03:27:12.650
through the general rate case process,
03:27:12.650 --> 03:27:14.800
as required by ramp and S map,
03:27:14.800 --> 03:27:16.760
so, it's a process we're trying to embed
03:27:16.760 --> 03:27:18.277
in all of the utility spending
03:27:18.277 --> 03:27:21.302
and it's particularly important
and appropriate here.
03:27:21.302 --> 03:27:22.135
So, I want to commend you
03:27:22.135 --> 03:27:26.460
for focusing the utilities'
attention on these areas.
03:27:26.460 --> 03:27:29.110
And I do want to thank all of you,
03:27:29.110 --> 03:27:30.724
including the, a special shout out
03:27:30.724 --> 03:27:33.023
to the three or four
ALJs who worked on this
03:27:33.023 --> 03:27:36.420
as well as your 27 person staff talent,
03:27:36.420 --> 03:27:40.403
for such an expeditious and
thorough set of resolutions.
03:27:42.800 --> 03:27:45.110
Well, all of my very articulate
03:27:45.110 --> 03:27:49.490
and brilliant fellow
Commissioners have taken
03:27:49.490 --> 03:27:52.273
all of the less brilliant
and less articulate things
03:27:52.273 --> 03:27:54.340
that I was going to say,
03:27:54.340 --> 03:27:57.410
and have said them brilliantly.
03:27:57.410 --> 03:28:02.407
I do want to repeat a
few things, however,
03:28:02.407 --> 03:28:05.420
and that is just reminding everyone,
03:28:05.420 --> 03:28:08.350
not only has this been lightning speed,
03:28:08.350 --> 03:28:12.800
but Caroline was brought
onto the Commission,
03:28:12.800 --> 03:28:14.580
I believe in October.
03:28:14.580 --> 03:28:18.613
And there was no
wildfire safety division,
03:28:19.610 --> 03:28:23.000
executive director Stevens
had been working hard
03:28:23.000 --> 03:28:24.793
to put the framework together.
03:28:25.980 --> 03:28:29.620
However, you walked in
pretty much with a framework
03:28:29.620 --> 03:28:32.680
and have hired 27 people,
03:28:32.680 --> 03:28:36.030
all the while finishing
the maturity model,
03:28:36.030 --> 03:28:39.357
not finishing, starting and
finishing the maturity model
03:28:39.357 --> 03:28:44.043
and applying the new template,
03:28:45.070 --> 03:28:48.030
having the IOUs report out in February.
03:28:48.030 --> 03:28:50.120
This is really remarkable.
03:28:50.120 --> 03:28:54.230
It's, I have to say, I just,
03:28:54.230 --> 03:28:58.810
we've had incredible
decisions that we've made today.
03:28:58.810 --> 03:29:03.810
And we know what it takes
in the resource adequacy,
03:29:04.050 --> 03:29:05.080
in the disconnection,
03:29:05.080 --> 03:29:08.670
how long it takes to make
sure that we have adequate input
03:29:08.670 --> 03:29:11.959
from the public and that
we have the importance
03:29:11.959 --> 03:29:14.600
of all the expertise that we can apply
03:29:14.600 --> 03:29:19.240
so that we come to a very
good decision for the rate payers.
03:29:19.240 --> 03:29:21.480
The microgrid, six months,
03:29:21.480 --> 03:29:25.690
you completely standing
up the wildfire safety division
03:29:25.690 --> 03:29:28.250
and applying a whole new template.
03:29:28.250 --> 03:29:30.480
It really does, as my
fellow Commissioner says,
03:29:30.480 --> 03:29:32.220
bring about great data,
03:29:32.220 --> 03:29:35.600
brings about that we can now adequately
03:29:37.530 --> 03:29:40.890
measure the kind of improvements
03:29:40.890 --> 03:29:43.500
that year over year will be made
03:29:43.500 --> 03:29:47.630
by the IOUs for wildfire mitigation.
03:29:47.630 --> 03:29:50.970
And that goes to the most
important thing that we,
03:29:50.970 --> 03:29:54.840
we here oversee, and
that is the public safety.
03:29:54.840 --> 03:29:57.570
And so I just,
03:29:57.570 --> 03:30:02.570
I'll add my voice to those
of my fellow Commissioners
03:30:03.120 --> 03:30:05.513
in awe of what you have done,
03:30:06.360 --> 03:30:09.420
in great respect for what
you and your team have done.
03:30:09.420 --> 03:30:12.660
I too thank the ALJs
and all the other experts
03:30:12.660 --> 03:30:15.810
that you have used from
Cal Fire and elsewhere.
03:30:15.810 --> 03:30:19.690
I think we're off to an
incredibly good start.
03:30:19.690 --> 03:30:23.510
And I think we will finally
be able to properly measure
03:30:24.850 --> 03:30:29.080
both risk and spend, and
progress made in terms
03:30:29.080 --> 03:30:33.660
of wildfire mitigation with
all of the IOUs in the state.
03:30:33.660 --> 03:30:38.077
So, I congratulate you and
your team, Caroline, thank you.
03:30:38.077 --> 03:30:39.840
And thank you for that hard work,
03:30:39.840 --> 03:30:43.203
because it truly will go
to save lives in this state.
03:30:44.600 --> 03:30:49.260
So with that, we will
take up, as I said earlier,
03:30:49.260 --> 03:30:53.730
each individual resolution.
03:30:53.730 --> 03:30:58.210
The first resolution on
our agenda is number 32,
03:30:58.210 --> 03:31:03.210
it's resolution WSD-002,
03:31:03.460 --> 03:31:07.480
guidance resolution on the
2020 wildfire mitigation plans
03:31:07.480 --> 03:31:11.083
pursuant to public
utilities code section 8386.
03:31:13.970 --> 03:31:17.493
Is there any further
comments on item number 32?
03:31:20.040 --> 03:31:20.873
Okay.
03:31:20.873 --> 03:31:23.323
Seeing none, will the agenda
clerk please call the roll?
03:31:24.860 --> 03:31:27.450
For item number
32, Commissioner Shiroma?
03:31:27.450 --> 03:31:28.841
Aye.
03:31:28.841 --> 03:31:30.880
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:31:30.880 --> 03:31:32.270
Aye.
03:31:32.270 --> 03:31:34.360
Commissioner Randolph?
03:31:34.360 --> 03:31:35.840
Yes.
03:31:35.840 --> 03:31:37.721
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:31:37.721 --> 03:31:38.554
Yes.
03:31:39.649 --> 03:31:41.400
President Batjer?
03:31:41.400 --> 03:31:42.560
Yes.
03:31:42.560 --> 03:31:46.290
Thank you. The vote on
item number 32 is unanimous.
03:31:46.290 --> 03:31:53.580
Moving now to item number
30, resolution WSD-009,
03:31:53.580 --> 03:31:57.390
ratifying action of the
wildfire safety division
03:31:57.390 --> 03:32:00.540
on Horizon West Transmissions
03:32:00.540 --> 03:32:05.540
and Trans Bay Cable's
2020 wildfire mitigation plan.
03:32:06.380 --> 03:32:08.180
Are there any questions or comments?
03:32:09.920 --> 03:32:11.610
Seeing none, will the agenda clerk
03:32:11.610 --> 03:32:13.633
please call the roll for item 30?
03:32:14.810 --> 03:32:17.490
For item 30,
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:32:17.490 --> 03:32:18.951
Aye.
03:32:18.951 --> 03:32:21.190
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:32:21.190 --> 03:32:22.700
Aye.
03:32:22.700 --> 03:32:24.510
Commissioner Randolph?
03:32:24.510 --> 03:32:26.010
Yes.
03:32:26.010 --> 03:32:27.889
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:32:27.889 --> 03:32:29.331
Yes.
03:32:29.331 --> 03:32:31.296
President Batjer?
03:32:31.296 --> 03:32:32.460
Yes, thank you,
03:32:32.460 --> 03:32:37.300
the vote for on item 30,
excuse me, is unanimous.
03:32:37.300 --> 03:32:39.960
Moving now on to item 33.
03:32:39.960 --> 03:32:44.780
That's resolution WSD-007.
03:32:44.780 --> 03:32:48.010
Ratifying action of the
wildfire safety division
03:32:48.010 --> 03:32:52.942
on Liberty Utility's 2020
wildfire mitigation plan.
03:32:52.942 --> 03:32:54.092
Are there any comments?
03:32:55.990 --> 03:32:58.790
Seeing none, will the agenda
clerk please call the roll?
03:33:00.380 --> 03:33:03.240
For item 33,
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:33:03.240 --> 03:33:04.073
Aye.
03:33:04.073 --> 03:33:06.706
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:33:06.706 --> 03:33:08.240
Aye.
03:33:08.240 --> 03:33:10.240
Commissioner Randolph?
03:33:10.240 --> 03:33:11.750
Yes.
03:33:11.750 --> 03:33:13.820
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:33:13.820 --> 03:33:15.230
Yes.
03:33:15.230 --> 03:33:17.250
President Batjer?
03:33:17.250 --> 03:33:18.390
Yes.
03:33:18.390 --> 03:33:21.780
Thank you. Item 33 passes unanimously.
03:33:21.780 --> 03:33:25.770
Moving now to item
34, resolution WSD-008.
03:33:28.770 --> 03:33:31.860
Ratifying action of the
wildfire safety division
03:33:31.860 --> 03:33:36.860
on Pacific Corp's 2020
wildfire mitigation plan.
03:33:36.930 --> 03:33:40.913
Are there any questions
or comments on item 34?
03:33:41.890 --> 03:33:44.070
Okay, seeing none, would be agenda clerk
03:33:44.070 --> 03:33:45.243
please call the roll?
03:33:46.340 --> 03:33:49.450
For item 34,
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:33:49.450 --> 03:33:50.800
Aye.
03:33:50.800 --> 03:33:52.951
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:33:52.951 --> 03:33:54.480
Aye.
03:33:54.480 --> 03:33:56.370
Commissioner Randolph?
03:33:56.370 --> 03:33:57.772
Yes.
03:33:57.772 --> 03:33:59.780
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:33:59.780 --> 03:34:01.150
Yes.
03:34:01.150 --> 03:34:02.927
President Batjer?
03:34:02.927 --> 03:34:04.270
Yes.
03:34:04.270 --> 03:34:07.410
Thank you. The vote is
unanimous for item number 34.
03:34:07.410 --> 03:34:11.380
Moving now to item
35, resolution WSD-004.
03:34:13.700 --> 03:34:17.210
Ratifying action of the
wildfire safety division
03:34:17.210 --> 03:34:19.130
on Southern California Edison's
03:34:19.130 --> 03:34:23.110
company's 2020 wildfire mitigation plan.
03:34:23.110 --> 03:34:26.333
Are there any comments
or questions on item 35?
03:34:27.760 --> 03:34:28.593
Okay.
03:34:28.593 --> 03:34:31.063
Seeing none, will the agenda
clerk please call the roll?
03:34:32.220 --> 03:34:35.182
For item 35,
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:34:35.182 --> 03:34:36.490
Aye.
03:34:36.490 --> 03:34:38.500
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:34:38.500 --> 03:34:39.770
Aye.
03:34:39.770 --> 03:34:41.759
Commissioner Randolph?
03:34:41.759 --> 03:34:42.592
Yes.
03:34:43.782 --> 03:34:45.660
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:34:45.660 --> 03:34:47.170
Yes.
03:34:47.170 --> 03:34:48.770
President Batjer?
03:34:48.770 --> 03:34:50.090
Yes.
03:34:50.090 --> 03:34:53.283
Thank you, the vote on item number 35,
03:34:55.200 --> 03:34:58.550
(laughs) I lost my place,
is unanimous, thank you.
03:34:58.550 --> 03:35:02.530
Moving now on to item
36, resolution WSD-005.
03:35:04.590 --> 03:35:07.700
Ratifying action of the
wildfire safety division
03:35:07.700 --> 03:35:10.722
on San Diego Gas and Electric Company's
03:35:10.722 --> 03:35:13.687
2020 wildfire mitigation plan.
03:35:13.687 --> 03:35:16.403
Are there any comments or questions?
03:35:18.210 --> 03:35:21.820
Seeing none, will the
agenda clerk please call the roll
03:35:21.820 --> 03:35:23.103
on item 36?
03:35:24.480 --> 03:35:27.261
For item 36,
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:35:27.261 --> 03:35:28.540
Aye.
03:35:28.540 --> 03:35:30.532
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:35:30.532 --> 03:35:31.690
Aye.
03:35:31.690 --> 03:35:33.630
Commissioner Randolph?
03:35:33.630 --> 03:35:35.042
Yes.
03:35:35.042 --> 03:35:37.098
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:35:37.098 --> 03:35:38.636
Yes.
03:35:38.636 --> 03:35:40.511
President Batjer?
03:35:40.511 --> 03:35:41.440
Yes.
03:35:41.440 --> 03:35:45.040
Thank you. The vote is
unanimous on item 36.
03:35:45.040 --> 03:35:49.530
Moving now onto item
37, resolution WSD-003,
03:35:52.570 --> 03:35:55.640
ratifying action of the
wildfire safety division
03:35:55.640 --> 03:35:58.430
on Pacific Gas and Electric Company's
03:35:58.430 --> 03:36:01.227
2020 wildfire mitigation plan.
03:36:01.227 --> 03:36:05.283
Are there are any comments
or questions on item 37?
03:36:06.360 --> 03:36:09.543
Okay, seeing none, agenda
clerk please call the roll.
03:36:10.650 --> 03:36:13.550
Item 37,
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:36:13.550 --> 03:36:14.860
Aye.
03:36:14.860 --> 03:36:17.132
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:36:17.132 --> 03:36:18.650
Aye.
03:36:18.650 --> 03:36:19.723
Commissioner Randolph?
03:36:20.720 --> 03:36:21.553
Yes.
03:36:22.461 --> 03:36:24.230
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:36:24.230 --> 03:36:25.690
Yes.
03:36:25.690 --> 03:36:27.370
President Batjer?
03:36:27.370 --> 03:36:28.780
Yes.
03:36:28.780 --> 03:36:32.650
The vote on an item 37 is unanimous.
03:36:32.650 --> 03:36:35.177
Thank you, Caroline and
congratulations (laughs).
03:36:36.930 --> 03:36:40.140
Moving now onto item number 40.
03:36:40.140 --> 03:36:42.933
That is going to be presented
by Commissioner Randolph.
03:36:44.580 --> 03:36:45.850
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:36:45.850 --> 03:36:48.610
Today, I ask for your
support on item 40,
03:36:48.610 --> 03:36:50.980
an order extending statutory deadline
03:36:50.980 --> 03:36:55.090
for PG&E's general rate
case for the 2020 test year.
03:36:55.090 --> 03:36:58.410
This is a large and highly
complex general rate case
03:36:58.410 --> 03:37:01.890
and includes important
wildfire related investments
03:37:01.890 --> 03:37:03.900
and risk mitigations,
03:37:03.900 --> 03:37:06.120
as well as many of their
other business expenses
03:37:06.120 --> 03:37:09.710
like asset depreciation,
taxes, human resources,
03:37:09.710 --> 03:37:12.143
operation and maintenance, and others.
03:37:13.060 --> 03:37:14.780
PG&E filed a joint settlement
03:37:14.780 --> 03:37:17.300
with a large number of
parties to the proceeding.
03:37:17.300 --> 03:37:20.280
And we are closely
reviewing that settlement now.
03:37:20.280 --> 03:37:23.150
On May 15th, the
Administrative Law Judges
03:37:23.150 --> 03:37:26.270
on the proceeding issued a
ruling seeking more information
03:37:26.270 --> 03:37:28.800
from PG&E and the settling parties
03:37:28.800 --> 03:37:31.370
for the purpose of
updating the calculation
03:37:31.370 --> 03:37:33.100
of the revenue requirement.
03:37:33.100 --> 03:37:35.440
Specifically, the ruling asked PG&E
03:37:35.440 --> 03:37:39.430
to update the 2018
capital expenditure forecast,
03:37:39.430 --> 03:37:41.313
initially filed in this application,
03:37:41.313 --> 03:37:45.760
with it's 2018 recorded
actual capital expenditures.
03:37:45.760 --> 03:37:48.690
This updated information
will help us fully understand,
03:37:48.690 --> 03:37:51.823
analyze and deliberate on
the provisions of the settlement.
03:37:53.000 --> 03:37:55.830
This order would extend
the statutory deadline
03:37:55.830 --> 03:37:58.670
to December 18th, 2020.
03:37:58.670 --> 03:38:01.310
However, we do aim to
have a decision issued
03:38:01.310 --> 03:38:04.350
in the early fall for a Commission vote.
03:38:04.350 --> 03:38:06.320
With that, I ask my
colleagues for their support
03:38:06.320 --> 03:38:07.203
on this item.
03:38:09.210 --> 03:38:12.483
Are there any questions
or comments on item 40?
03:38:15.030 --> 03:38:16.160
Okay, seeing none,
03:38:16.160 --> 03:38:18.310
will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
03:38:19.220 --> 03:38:21.882
For item 40,
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:38:21.882 --> 03:38:23.538
Aye.
03:38:23.538 --> 03:38:25.649
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:38:25.649 --> 03:38:27.030
Aye.
03:38:27.030 --> 03:38:29.020
Commissioner Randolph?
03:38:29.020 --> 03:38:30.610
Yes.
03:38:30.610 --> 03:38:32.800
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:38:32.800 --> 03:38:34.140
Yes.
03:38:34.140 --> 03:38:35.790
President Batjer?
03:38:35.790 --> 03:38:37.030
Yes.
03:38:37.030 --> 03:38:41.150
The vote for item
number 40 is unanimous.
03:38:41.150 --> 03:38:45.340
Item number 41 is
an item I will present.
03:38:45.340 --> 03:38:48.610
This order extending statutory
deadline is the application
03:38:48.610 --> 03:38:51.949
18 dash-
Hello?
03:38:51.949 --> 03:38:53.782
Hello?
Excuse.
03:38:53.782 --> 03:38:54.615
Excuse me.
03:38:55.609 --> 03:38:56.776
Hello?
03:38:57.640 --> 03:38:59.670
Robert, could you
please check the line
03:38:59.670 --> 03:39:01.020
for me?
You there?
03:39:01.020 --> 03:39:03.390
Yes, President
Batjer, I'll check it.
03:39:03.390 --> 03:39:04.223
Thank you.
03:39:06.540 --> 03:39:08.770
Okay. I'll resume my comment.
03:39:08.770 --> 03:39:11.450
This order extending
statutory deadline is
03:39:11.450 --> 03:39:15.560
for application 18-03-009,
03:39:15.560 --> 03:39:18.890
Southern California Edison
and San Diego Gas and Electric's
03:39:18.890 --> 03:39:23.710
2018 nuclear deCommissioning
cost triennial proceeding.
03:39:23.710 --> 03:39:26.020
The purpose of this
recurring proceeding is
03:39:26.020 --> 03:39:27.990
to set the annual revenue requirements
03:39:27.990 --> 03:39:29.780
for the deCommissioning trust
03:39:31.300 --> 03:39:34.650
for the nuclear power plants
owned by SCE and SDG&E
03:39:36.105 --> 03:39:39.810
and to determine whether
actual expenditures by utilities
03:39:39.810 --> 03:39:44.100
for deCommissioning activities
are reasonable and prudent.
03:39:44.100 --> 03:39:48.380
Briefs and reply briefs
were recently filed in March.
03:39:48.380 --> 03:39:52.450
An Administrative Law
Judge, Robert Haga,
03:39:52.450 --> 03:39:55.220
is currently drafting
the proposed decision,
03:39:55.220 --> 03:39:57.930
an extension of the statutory deadline
03:39:57.930 --> 03:40:01.210
to December 19th, 2020 is necessary
03:40:01.210 --> 03:40:03.830
to allow enough time to
issue a proposed decision
03:40:03.830 --> 03:40:06.090
for public review and comment,
03:40:06.090 --> 03:40:08.840
and to allow the Commission
enough time to deliberate
03:40:08.840 --> 03:40:12.210
and issue its final
decision on this item.
03:40:12.210 --> 03:40:14.010
I request your support.
03:40:14.010 --> 03:40:17.363
Are there any comments
or questions on item 41?
03:40:18.830 --> 03:40:19.900
Okay, seeing none,
03:40:19.900 --> 03:40:22.050
will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
03:40:22.920 --> 03:40:25.904
For item 41,
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:40:25.904 --> 03:40:27.322
Aye.
03:40:27.322 --> 03:40:29.511
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:40:29.511 --> 03:40:30.905
Aye.
03:40:30.905 --> 03:40:35.905
Commissioner Randolph?
03:40:36.753 --> 03:40:38.753
Commissioner Randolph?
03:40:40.091 --> 03:40:41.677
Commissioner Randolph?
03:40:41.677 --> 03:40:43.560
Can you guys hear me?
03:40:43.560 --> 03:40:44.393
Now we can.
03:40:45.390 --> 03:40:48.032
Okay, that was weird,
'cause I was unmuted.
03:40:48.032 --> 03:40:50.955
Yes (laughs).
03:40:50.955 --> 03:40:53.280
Good. Commissioner
Rechtschaffen?
03:40:53.280 --> 03:40:54.953
Yes.
03:40:54.953 --> 03:40:56.712
President Batjer?
03:40:56.712 --> 03:40:59.590
Yes. Thank you.
(computer notification rings)
03:40:59.590 --> 03:41:03.093
The vote is unanimous on item 41.
03:41:03.990 --> 03:41:06.820
Now turning to item 42 will be presented
03:41:06.820 --> 03:41:08.173
by Commissioner Randolph.
03:41:09.760 --> 03:41:12.230
Okay, item 42. Can
you guys hear me?
03:41:12.230 --> 03:41:13.860
Yep. You're good.
03:41:13.860 --> 03:41:15.140
Okay, good.
03:41:15.140 --> 03:41:18.650
This rulemaking was opened
to improve public access
03:41:18.650 --> 03:41:20.250
to public records pursuant
03:41:20.250 --> 03:41:22.610
to the California Public Records Act.
03:41:22.610 --> 03:41:26.260
We are currently drafting
the latest PD in this proceeding
03:41:26.260 --> 03:41:29.010
and aim to publish it very
soon for public comment
03:41:29.010 --> 03:41:30.930
and a vote this summer.
03:41:30.930 --> 03:41:33.020
Our objective is to
establish a framework
03:41:33.020 --> 03:41:35.210
to ensure that parties
making certain claims
03:41:35.210 --> 03:41:39.050
to confidentiality are required
to make consistent showings.
03:41:39.050 --> 03:41:40.500
These requirements will help ensure
03:41:40.500 --> 03:41:43.580
that the Commission has a
consistent set of relevant facts
03:41:43.580 --> 03:41:46.900
every time it considers
certain confidentiality claims,
03:41:46.900 --> 03:41:49.150
which will assist in
adjudicating those claims
03:41:49.150 --> 03:41:51.300
in a consistent way.
03:41:51.300 --> 03:41:52.460
To accomplish this,
03:41:52.460 --> 03:41:56.190
the order extends the deadline
to December 18th, 2020.
03:41:56.190 --> 03:41:57.350
Although, as I indicated,
03:41:57.350 --> 03:41:59.940
we plan to have the
decision well before then.
03:41:59.940 --> 03:42:02.550
With that, I ask for the support
of my fellow Commissioners.
03:42:02.550 --> 03:42:03.830
Thank you.
03:42:03.830 --> 03:42:04.663
Thank you.
03:42:04.663 --> 03:42:07.863
Are there any comments
or questions on item 42?
03:42:09.980 --> 03:42:13.643
Seeing none, will the agenda
clerk please call the roll?
03:42:14.750 --> 03:42:16.816
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:42:16.816 --> 03:42:18.320
Aye.
03:42:18.320 --> 03:42:20.299
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:42:20.299 --> 03:42:21.132
Aye.
03:42:22.030 --> 03:42:23.483
Commissioner Randolph?
03:42:24.380 --> 03:42:25.213
Yes.
03:42:26.383 --> 03:42:28.330
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:42:28.330 --> 03:42:29.163
Yes.
03:42:30.184 --> 03:42:32.110
President Batjer?
03:42:32.110 --> 03:42:33.520
Yes.
03:42:33.520 --> 03:42:37.300
Item number 42 has
been voted unanimously.
03:42:37.300 --> 03:42:40.300
Turning now to the last
item on the regular agenda,
03:42:40.300 --> 03:42:44.180
item number 43, that is my item.
03:42:44.180 --> 03:42:46.450
This order extending
statutory deadline is
03:42:46.450 --> 03:42:50.330
for rulemaking 18-12-005,
03:42:50.330 --> 03:42:53.863
examination of the electric
utility de-energization
03:42:53.863 --> 03:42:56.980
of power lines in dangerous condition.
03:42:56.980 --> 03:42:59.670
The Commission opened
this order instituting rulemaking
03:42:59.670 --> 03:43:03.000
to examine its rules
allowing electric utilities
03:43:03.000 --> 03:43:04.970
under the Commission's jurisdiction
03:43:04.970 --> 03:43:06.860
to de-energize power lines
03:43:06.860 --> 03:43:09.110
in case of dangerous conditions
03:43:09.110 --> 03:43:12.420
that threaten life or
property in California.
03:43:12.420 --> 03:43:14.200
We've been very
active in this proceeding,
03:43:14.200 --> 03:43:16.980
including the recent
adoption of phase two,
03:43:16.980 --> 03:43:20.380
additional guidelines for the
public safety power shutoff,
03:43:20.380 --> 03:43:25.370
or PSPS, in decision
20-05-051, on May 28th.
03:43:28.130 --> 03:43:32.280
This rulemaking remains
open to pursue a third phase
03:43:32.280 --> 03:43:34.660
that will develop a general order
03:43:34.660 --> 03:43:37.020
that will codify the guidelines
03:43:37.020 --> 03:43:40.010
and directives contained
in phase two decisions
03:43:40.010 --> 03:43:42.010
and previous authorities.
03:43:42.010 --> 03:43:44.150
Other issues may also be taken up
03:43:44.150 --> 03:43:45.890
in the third phase of this proceeding,
03:43:45.890 --> 03:43:50.250
including issues already
scoped into phase one and two
03:43:50.250 --> 03:43:52.850
that have not fully been addressed.
03:43:52.850 --> 03:43:56.910
This proceeding also
includes a rule directing PG&E
03:43:56.910 --> 03:44:00.070
to show cause why it
should not be sanctioned
03:44:00.070 --> 03:44:02.937
for violations of the
public utilities code
03:44:02.937 --> 03:44:07.937
and PSPS authorities
during the 2019 PSPS events.
03:44:08.420 --> 03:44:11.050
Evidentiary hearings for
this issue were delayed due
03:44:11.050 --> 03:44:14.893
to COVID-19 pandemic
and will be rescheduled.
03:44:15.970 --> 03:44:17.950
In extent shortly,
03:44:17.950 --> 03:44:22.240
an extension of the statutory
deadline to May 28, 2021,
03:44:22.240 --> 03:44:26.210
is necessary to allow enough
time to resolve these issues.
03:44:26.210 --> 03:44:27.900
Oh, I will do everything I can
03:44:27.900 --> 03:44:30.930
to conclude these matters
in a more timely fashion
03:44:30.930 --> 03:44:33.647
than in one year, underscored (laughs).
03:44:34.510 --> 03:44:39.510
And for that, I request your
support for item, this item.
03:44:39.830 --> 03:44:41.090
Thank you.
03:44:41.090 --> 03:44:43.033
Are there any questions or comments?
03:44:45.308 --> 03:44:48.640
Seeing none, thank you (laughs),
03:44:48.640 --> 03:44:50.920
will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
03:44:53.890 --> 03:44:55.908
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:44:55.908 --> 03:44:57.539
Aye.
03:44:57.539 --> 03:44:59.498
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:44:59.498 --> 03:45:01.040
Aye.
03:45:01.040 --> 03:45:03.228
Commissioner Randolph?
03:45:03.228 --> 03:45:04.995
Yes.
03:45:04.995 --> 03:45:06.766
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:45:06.766 --> 03:45:07.599
Yes.
03:45:08.780 --> 03:45:10.580
President Batjer?
03:45:10.580 --> 03:45:11.810
Yes.
03:45:11.810 --> 03:45:15.880
Item number 43 is passed unanimously.
03:45:15.880 --> 03:45:17.563
Thank you all very much.
03:45:18.480 --> 03:45:22.930
We will now leave the regular agenda
03:45:22.930 --> 03:45:25.083
and take up management reports.
03:45:26.300 --> 03:45:29.040
There is no report for item 44,
03:45:29.040 --> 03:45:31.740
report and discussion on
recent consumer protections
03:45:31.740 --> 03:45:33.780
and safety activities.
03:45:33.780 --> 03:45:38.780
And I turn to Chief ALJ
Anne Simon for item 45,
03:45:39.480 --> 03:45:42.813
which is management report
on administrative activities.
03:45:43.660 --> 03:45:45.170
Judge Simon?
03:45:45.170 --> 03:45:47.480
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:45:47.480 --> 03:45:51.510
I would like to take this
opportunity to briefly introduce
03:45:51.510 --> 03:45:54.930
to the Commission four
Administrative Law Judges
03:45:54.930 --> 03:45:57.170
who started in February
03:45:57.170 --> 03:46:01.380
and our class of
interns for this summer.
03:46:01.380 --> 03:46:04.450
Starting with the ALJs,
03:46:04.450 --> 03:46:08.140
Dan Bush joined the Commission in 2013
03:46:08.140 --> 03:46:13.140
as an analyst in energy
division's energy efficiency branch,
03:46:13.200 --> 03:46:16.190
in 2015, he moved to
the public advocate's office
03:46:16.190 --> 03:46:20.320
customer programs team,
first as a senior analyst
03:46:20.320 --> 03:46:23.230
and then as a supervisor.
03:46:23.230 --> 03:46:24.960
Prior to coming to the Commission,
03:46:24.960 --> 03:46:27.980
he spent a decade
conducting research on experts
03:46:27.980 --> 03:46:30.750
and policies in Latin America.
03:46:30.750 --> 03:46:34.253
He lives in Oakland with
his wife and two daughters.
03:46:35.650 --> 03:46:39.317
Amin Nojan joined the ALJ division
03:46:39.317 --> 03:46:41.580
after working on energy policy
03:46:41.580 --> 03:46:43.140
in the public advocate's office
03:46:43.140 --> 03:46:47.360
and on service quality in
the communications division.
03:46:47.360 --> 03:46:49.000
Prior to joining the Commission,
03:46:49.000 --> 03:46:51.920
Amin advised policy makers in Sacramento
03:46:51.920 --> 03:46:54.900
and in Washington DC on energy,
03:46:54.900 --> 03:46:58.530
environmental safety and foreign policy.
03:46:58.530 --> 03:47:00.958
He holds a master's degree
in international relations
03:47:00.958 --> 03:47:04.070
and economics from
the Johns Hopkins School
03:47:04.070 --> 03:47:06.103
of Advanced International Studies.
03:47:07.410 --> 03:47:10.040
He enjoys hiking,
reading fantasy novels,
03:47:10.040 --> 03:47:13.093
and spending time with his family.
03:47:14.430 --> 03:47:18.680
Camille Watts-Zagha joined
the Commission in 2000,
03:47:18.680 --> 03:47:21.371
beginning as a
communications division analyst
03:47:21.371 --> 03:47:23.890
and moving public advocate's office
03:47:23.890 --> 03:47:26.380
where she supervised work on rate cases,
03:47:26.380 --> 03:47:30.000
affordability and public
purpose programs.
03:47:30.000 --> 03:47:32.890
She holds a bachelor's
degree in political science
03:47:32.890 --> 03:47:34.850
from UC San Diego
03:47:34.850 --> 03:47:37.320
and a master's in public administration
03:47:37.320 --> 03:47:39.700
from Syracuse University.
03:47:39.700 --> 03:47:44.023
She enjoys cooking, being
outdoors and Israeli folk dancing.
03:47:45.510 --> 03:47:48.790
Peter Wercinski served since 2004
03:47:48.790 --> 03:47:50.600
as an Administrative Law Judge
03:47:50.600 --> 03:47:52.620
in San Francisco and Oakland
03:47:52.620 --> 03:47:56.320
with the California Unemployment
Insurance Appeals Board
03:47:56.320 --> 03:47:59.630
before starting at the
Commission this February.
03:47:59.630 --> 03:48:02.740
He received a bachelor's
degree in political science
03:48:02.740 --> 03:48:05.712
from the University of
Michigan and also graduated
03:48:05.712 --> 03:48:08.880
from the University of
Michigan Law School.
03:48:08.880 --> 03:48:12.717
He lives in San Francisco
with his wife and son.
03:48:14.520 --> 03:48:17.603
And if I could have
the next slide, please.
03:48:22.627 --> 03:48:24.992
If, yes. Thank you.
03:48:24.992 --> 03:48:29.720
You are now looking at
our summer intern class,
03:48:29.720 --> 03:48:32.307
Jessica Jandura has been an intern
03:48:32.307 --> 03:48:34.970
at the Commission over the last year,
03:48:34.970 --> 03:48:36.850
both for the ALJ division
03:48:36.850 --> 03:48:39.490
and in Commissioner
Rechtschaffen's office.
03:48:39.490 --> 03:48:42.800
She graduated from Golden
Gate University School of Law
03:48:42.800 --> 03:48:46.380
this May, with specializations
in environmental law,
03:48:46.380 --> 03:48:47.923
and public interest law.
03:48:48.862 --> 03:48:50.810
Prior to attending law school,
03:48:50.810 --> 03:48:54.090
Jessica earned a master's
degree in applied human rights
03:48:54.090 --> 03:48:55.493
from the University of York.
03:48:57.030 --> 03:48:59.870
She has the bar exam to look forward to
03:48:59.870 --> 03:49:03.170
at the, after the end
of the summer (laughs),
03:49:03.170 --> 03:49:05.260
but better than that,
after the bar exam,
03:49:05.260 --> 03:49:06.660
she will be getting married.
03:49:08.407 --> 03:49:13.407
Bradan Litzinger is a rising
2L at UCLA School of Law,
03:49:13.790 --> 03:49:17.307
where he is specializing
in critical race studies.
03:49:17.307 --> 03:49:18.377
Prior to the law school,
03:49:18.377 --> 03:49:20.180
Bradan was legislative director
03:49:20.180 --> 03:49:23.150
for Council Member
Sophie Hahn in Berkeley,
03:49:23.150 --> 03:49:27.650
where he worked on over
50 pieces of legislation.
03:49:27.650 --> 03:49:32.120
When not studying or doing
many of his volunteer activities,
03:49:32.120 --> 03:49:34.130
which I have cut in
the interest of time,
03:49:34.130 --> 03:49:38.050
Bradan can be found cooking
and baking with his wife,
03:49:38.050 --> 03:49:41.630
enjoying all manner of science
fiction and fantasy media
03:49:41.630 --> 03:49:46.110
and exploring parks and
green spaces in the East Bay.
03:49:46.110 --> 03:49:50.873
McKayla MacMahon is a rising
2L at Hastings College of Law.
03:49:51.770 --> 03:49:53.300
Before attending Hastings,
03:49:53.300 --> 03:49:55.800
McKayla worked on
sustainability programs
03:49:55.800 --> 03:49:58.430
for the City of Half Moon Bay.
03:49:58.430 --> 03:50:01.740
She earned her undergraduate
degree from Sonoma State
03:50:01.740 --> 03:50:04.630
in political science and philosophy.
03:50:04.630 --> 03:50:06.600
She enjoys trying new restaurants,
03:50:06.600 --> 03:50:09.343
which hopefully she will
be able to do again soon,
03:50:10.320 --> 03:50:13.670
traveling, ditto, and taking
her German shepherd,
03:50:13.670 --> 03:50:14.973
Desi, on hikes.
03:50:16.460 --> 03:50:18.183
Isaac Serratos is arising 2L
03:50:18.183 --> 03:50:21.580
at Hastings College of Law as well.
03:50:21.580 --> 03:50:24.430
He received his bachelor of
arts in environmental studies
03:50:24.430 --> 03:50:28.190
from UC Santa Cruz with
minors in sustainability studies
03:50:28.190 --> 03:50:29.960
and legal studies.
03:50:29.960 --> 03:50:32.450
His focus has been
on pragmatic solutions
03:50:32.450 --> 03:50:33.803
to environmental problems.
03:50:34.800 --> 03:50:38.270
Isaac has always lived in the East Bay
03:50:38.270 --> 03:50:40.960
and hopes to travel
throughout the United States,
03:50:40.960 --> 03:50:43.970
particularly to see our national parks,
03:50:43.970 --> 03:50:47.113
when that becomes possible again.
03:50:49.090 --> 03:50:51.970
Finally, we have one
college intern this summer,
03:50:51.970 --> 03:50:53.740
Lizet Rivas Villanueva,
03:50:53.740 --> 03:50:57.300
who is an undergraduate
at American University.
03:50:57.300 --> 03:51:01.200
She wants eventually to
be a civil rights attorney.
03:51:01.200 --> 03:51:02.760
In summer 2018,
03:51:02.760 --> 03:51:06.090
she interned at Bay Area Legal Incubator
03:51:06.090 --> 03:51:08.530
and then followed that up
03:51:08.530 --> 03:51:11.820
with an entire year of volunteering
03:51:11.820 --> 03:51:15.533
during the academic year 2018, 2019.
03:51:17.210 --> 03:51:18.930
When she finished that,
03:51:18.930 --> 03:51:23.260
she went back to her
school at American University
03:51:23.260 --> 03:51:27.780
and last summer volunteered
at Common Sense Media.
03:51:27.780 --> 03:51:32.318
We welcome all of our,
now not so new ALJs,
03:51:32.318 --> 03:51:36.300
and our summer interns
to the Commission.
03:51:36.300 --> 03:51:39.267
And thank you, President
Batjer and Commissioners
03:51:39.267 --> 03:51:41.767
for these introduce,
allowing these introductions.
03:51:42.750 --> 03:51:47.750
(laughs) We're all
waving and clapping.
03:51:48.070 --> 03:51:50.310
Anne, thank you so much.
03:51:50.310 --> 03:51:54.690
What an impressive group
of ALJs and summer interns.
03:51:54.690 --> 03:51:56.510
Aren't we lucky?
03:51:56.510 --> 03:51:59.700
I always love to welcome
people to public service,
03:51:59.700 --> 03:52:04.170
the most noble profession in my belief.
03:52:04.170 --> 03:52:07.170
And, so pleased to have you among us.
03:52:07.170 --> 03:52:10.690
We are honored and very fortunate.
03:52:10.690 --> 03:52:13.951
Thank you so much Anne
for those lovely introductions.
03:52:13.951 --> 03:52:15.780
Is there any comments
from the Commissioners?
03:52:15.780 --> 03:52:17.827
Other than clapping and waving (laughs).
03:52:20.840 --> 03:52:21.673
Okay.
03:52:23.210 --> 03:52:28.210
That ends the, that the
management reports.
03:52:28.880 --> 03:52:31.610
So, we'll now move onto
the Commissioner reports.
03:52:31.610 --> 03:52:33.230
Who would like to go first
03:52:33.230 --> 03:52:35.173
in among the Commissioners to report?
03:52:39.590 --> 03:52:41.780
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:52:41.780 --> 03:52:43.261
Thank you.
03:52:43.261 --> 03:52:44.937
Just want a report
on a couple of things.
03:52:44.937 --> 03:52:49.937
One I mentioned earlier,
which is to wish my,
03:52:52.240 --> 03:52:57.240
my deputy chief of staff Marina
MacLatchie the best of luck
03:52:57.400 --> 03:53:00.950
as she's joined Hazel
Miranda's team over there
03:53:00.950 --> 03:53:03.260
at the office of government affairs.
03:53:03.260 --> 03:53:08.260
I, and as you know, she,
Marina has done so much
03:53:09.330 --> 03:53:12.560
and really the
disconnections proceeding is
03:53:13.900 --> 03:53:15.970
as much of her and Manriquez's work
03:53:17.530 --> 03:53:20.460
to get it to completion and
all the work that she did.
03:53:20.460 --> 03:53:24.150
But there's really not enough
I could say about Marina.
03:53:24.150 --> 03:53:28.910
She has, she improved my
quality of life tremendously.
03:53:28.910 --> 03:53:32.600
And so, I'm anticipating
a decrease in that
03:53:32.600 --> 03:53:35.229
in the next month here (laughs)
03:53:35.229 --> 03:53:36.550
until we find somebody new,
03:53:36.550 --> 03:53:39.280
but I really wish her all the best.
03:53:39.280 --> 03:53:42.600
And it really is a good
story about the Commission
03:53:42.600 --> 03:53:44.080
and the ability to continue
03:53:44.080 --> 03:53:48.180
to progress in your career
and find new opportunities here.
03:53:48.180 --> 03:53:50.847
So, I wish her the best of luck
03:53:50.847 --> 03:53:54.100
and wanted to share that
good news with all of you.
03:53:54.100 --> 03:53:55.810
And then I did just want to share
03:53:55.810 --> 03:54:00.810
that we did have the
FCC hosted a webinar here
03:54:01.960 --> 03:54:06.110
with us yesterday to
discuss the opportunity
03:54:06.110 --> 03:54:07.770
for the federal funding,
03:54:07.770 --> 03:54:10.220
the rural digital opportunity fund
03:54:10.220 --> 03:54:12.780
that we have, our
communications division,
03:54:12.780 --> 03:54:16.540
Rob Osborn and his staff
have been really trying
03:54:16.540 --> 03:54:19.800
to work collaboratively with the FCC
03:54:19.800 --> 03:54:23.850
and also to encourage
California applications
03:54:23.850 --> 03:54:28.210
to come forward because
that's the structure,
03:54:28.210 --> 03:54:29.550
folks have to apply,
03:54:29.550 --> 03:54:32.195
we cannot apply in the state for them.
03:54:32.195 --> 03:54:35.020
And so, we're, there
was a good attendance,
03:54:35.020 --> 03:54:37.530
about 200 or so participants,
03:54:37.530 --> 03:54:41.690
hopefully all of those
participants are future applicants.
03:54:41.690 --> 03:54:43.963
And the timeline is pretty quick.
03:54:45.040 --> 03:54:46.760
The folks who are interested
03:54:46.760 --> 03:54:48.880
need to provide their short form,
03:54:48.880 --> 03:54:51.220
which is basically a letter of intent
03:54:51.220 --> 03:54:55.706
between July 1st and
July 15th of next month.
03:54:55.706 --> 03:54:57.390
And I just share all of this
03:54:57.390 --> 03:55:00.230
because we are also in
the midst of figuring out
03:55:00.230 --> 03:55:05.230
how best to optimize the
remaining TASF funds.
03:55:05.840 --> 03:55:08.100
And as I've said before,
03:55:08.100 --> 03:55:09.993
just to continue to reiterate,
03:55:10.880 --> 03:55:14.260
the need is greater than
the availability of funds.
03:55:14.260 --> 03:55:17.940
And so, we're really looking
to this federal opportunity
03:55:17.940 --> 03:55:20.806
as a way to meet the need
03:55:20.806 --> 03:55:23.297
and the half a billion that came in,
03:55:23.297 --> 03:55:26.230
need, is still not even covering
03:55:26.230 --> 03:55:31.180
the actual unmet need in California.
03:55:31.180 --> 03:55:32.900
So lots to do,
03:55:32.900 --> 03:55:37.700
and hopefully the legislature
will continue that program,
03:55:37.700 --> 03:55:39.830
but just wanted to share
03:55:39.830 --> 03:55:43.020
that the communications
division did work with the FCC
03:55:43.020 --> 03:55:44.685
in making that happen yesterday
03:55:44.685 --> 03:55:46.680
and getting a little bit closer
03:55:46.680 --> 03:55:50.790
to having applicants from California,
03:55:50.790 --> 03:55:54.373
hopefully bid successfully
for this federal opportunity.
03:55:55.395 --> 03:55:56.460
Thank you.
03:55:56.460 --> 03:55:58.600
Thank you, Commissioner
Guzman Aceves.
03:55:58.600 --> 03:56:02.750
I want to congratulate Marina.
03:56:02.750 --> 03:56:03.960
I'm particularly thrilled
03:56:03.960 --> 03:56:07.317
that she's climbing the
career ladder here at the PUC
03:56:07.317 --> 03:56:12.270
and is not flying off to
some other department
03:56:12.270 --> 03:56:15.520
or agency in California government.
03:56:15.520 --> 03:56:16.400
So, I'm thrilled
03:56:16.400 --> 03:56:21.400
that Marina is taking on
some new responsibilities
03:56:21.480 --> 03:56:24.030
and I'm sure your quality
03:56:24.030 --> 03:56:26.577
of life will improve
again soon (laughs).
03:56:28.740 --> 03:56:31.174
Any, and also very great
03:56:31.174 --> 03:56:33.993
to hear the participation yesterday.
03:56:34.960 --> 03:56:37.620
So hoping that we have subscribers,
03:56:37.620 --> 03:56:39.650
it's incredibly important
03:56:39.650 --> 03:56:41.590
and I'm glad that there
were that many people
03:56:41.590 --> 03:56:44.943
that were involved in
the webinar, that's super.
03:56:46.040 --> 03:56:49.190
Any other Commissioners
would like to report?
03:56:49.190 --> 03:56:52.495
Yes, Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:56:52.495 --> 03:56:53.765
(computer notification rings)
I have two announcements
03:56:53.765 --> 03:56:56.690
of upcoming events.
03:56:56.690 --> 03:56:58.790
Next Friday, June 19th,
03:56:58.790 --> 03:57:02.400
the disadvantaged communities
advisory group will be meeting
03:57:02.400 --> 03:57:06.190
and among other things on
the agenda is a discussion
03:57:06.190 --> 03:57:09.900
of the impacts from COVID
on disadvantaged communities.
03:57:09.900 --> 03:57:11.820
More information can be found
03:57:11.820 --> 03:57:16.820
on our disadvantaged
communities webpage.
03:57:17.130 --> 03:57:22.130
Secondly, we have scheduled
tentatively a discussion
03:57:22.810 --> 03:57:25.480
on July 1st, Wednesday, July 1st
03:57:25.480 --> 03:57:29.470
at our policy and governance committee
03:57:29.470 --> 03:57:33.530
of a proposed CPUC enforcement policy.
03:57:33.530 --> 03:57:36.117
This is an outgrowth of
the enforcement initiative
03:57:36.117 --> 03:57:40.060
that we have been working on
over the past couple of years.
03:57:40.060 --> 03:57:40.900
If you recall,
03:57:40.900 --> 03:57:45.540
we approved a set of
enforcement principles last year,
03:57:45.540 --> 03:57:47.300
building on those principles,
03:57:47.300 --> 03:57:51.060
we've been working internally
to draft an enforcement policy
03:57:51.060 --> 03:57:54.140
that would apply to
all industry divisions.
03:57:54.140 --> 03:57:56.780
The thought is at the policy
and governance committee,
03:57:56.780 --> 03:58:00.267
we would open it up to
discussion from other stakeholders,
03:58:00.267 --> 03:58:02.940
members of public,
members of the public,
03:58:02.940 --> 03:58:07.280
and other Commissioners to
get feedback on the draft policy.
03:58:07.280 --> 03:58:10.100
We'll post the draft policy,
03:58:10.100 --> 03:58:11.253
hopefully in the next couple of days
03:58:11.253 --> 03:58:13.957
to give people a couple
of weeks to look at it
03:58:13.957 --> 03:58:15.230
and prepare for the meeting.
03:58:15.230 --> 03:58:17.190
But if you could hold that date,
03:58:17.190 --> 03:58:19.330
Wednesday, July 1st,
it'll be in the morning
03:58:19.330 --> 03:58:21.675
when our committee
meetings are scheduled.
03:58:21.675 --> 03:58:23.052
Thank you.
03:58:23.052 --> 03:58:25.110
Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
03:58:25.110 --> 03:58:28.683
Any other Commissioners
wish to report out?
03:58:30.370 --> 03:58:33.950
I don't know who,
whose hand went up first?
03:58:33.950 --> 03:58:36.637
Commissioner Randolph,
let's go with you (laughs).
03:58:38.220 --> 03:58:39.683
Okay.
03:58:39.683 --> 03:58:44.513
I just wanted to highlight
that on Monday, our staff,
03:58:46.100 --> 03:58:50.620
and we'll be participating
in a joint workshop
03:58:50.620 --> 03:58:55.620
with the California Energy
Commission on the BUILD program,
03:58:57.330 --> 03:59:01.990
which is the implementation of SB 1477
03:59:01.990 --> 03:59:06.170
to provide funding for
decarbonization incentives.
03:59:08.260 --> 03:59:10.990
And so, we will be spending all day
03:59:10.990 --> 03:59:13.580
with our CEC colleagues on Monday,
03:59:13.580 --> 03:59:14.900
discussing those issues
03:59:14.900 --> 03:59:19.630
and getting that program off the ground
03:59:19.630 --> 03:59:23.350
as CEC is going to be
administering the distribution
03:59:23.350 --> 03:59:24.250
of those funds.
03:59:24.250 --> 03:59:27.490
So, looking forward to
that discussion on Monday.
03:59:27.490 --> 03:59:30.720
Yeah, terrific. Thank you.
03:59:30.720 --> 03:59:31.883
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:59:33.340 --> 03:59:36.663
Hi, thank you. I have a
number of things to highlight.
03:59:37.765 --> 03:59:40.910
We've got the low income
oversight board meeting tomorrow,
03:59:40.910 --> 03:59:44.210
June 12th, starting at 9:00 AM.
03:59:44.210 --> 03:59:46.760
These board meetings are all day long,
03:59:46.760 --> 03:59:49.912
really good agenda items.
03:59:49.912 --> 03:59:54.570
The LIO news will present
their latest information
03:59:54.570 --> 03:59:58.460
about their low income
programs and so much more.
03:59:58.460 --> 04:00:01.669
And the details can be
found, it'll be on WebEx,
04:00:01.669 --> 04:00:04.050
details can be found
on the LIOB website,
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liob.cpuc.ca.gov, and then, next week,
04:00:12.910 --> 04:00:17.910
Monday, June 15th, we'll
have, again by WebEx,
04:00:17.960 --> 04:00:22.500
the quarter meeting of the
Universal Lifeline Telephone
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Service Administrative Committee.
04:00:24.930 --> 04:00:27.170
And this committee
advises the Commission
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on all matters having
to do with Lifeline
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and those details can also be found
04:00:32.730 --> 04:00:35.580
on our Commission's daily calendar area.
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That'll be at 1:00 PM on Monday.
04:00:38.490 --> 04:00:41.180
Then on Wednesday, June 17th,
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the Commission has its committee,
04:00:43.560 --> 04:00:47.100
emerging trends committee
meeting, that'll be at 10:00 AM,
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also via WebEx.
04:00:49.313 --> 04:00:51.400
This coming Wednesday,
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we'll be hearing from a
number of our industry divisions
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on the host of that actions
that they have taken,
04:01:00.210 --> 04:01:05.210
and we have taken to address
COVID 19 and the pandemic.
04:01:05.760 --> 04:01:10.693
And that should be a really
good, really good sessions.
04:01:12.220 --> 04:01:14.950
And we should be very proud
of the work that has been done
04:01:14.950 --> 04:01:16.640
and continues to be done.
04:01:16.640 --> 04:01:17.803
And then finally,
04:01:18.810 --> 04:01:23.383
I've got my Southern
California Edison PPHs,
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public participation hearings.
04:01:24.877 --> 04:01:28.083
It'll be, I'll be first
out the gate on the,
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whereas before we had,
gosh, I don't, got a bunch,
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eight to 10 in person meetings
around the Edison territory.
04:01:39.380 --> 04:01:44.380
Now we will provide four
opportunities for customers
04:01:44.550 --> 04:01:48.262
to comment to us on the
Southern California Edison's
04:01:48.262 --> 04:01:50.453
proposed general rate case.
04:01:51.360 --> 04:01:56.360
June 30th at 1:00 PM,
and let's see, oh boy,
04:01:57.882 --> 04:01:59.549
4:00 PM and 7:00 PM.
04:02:00.513 --> 04:02:02.982
And I'm, looking at the one, let's see,
04:02:02.982 --> 04:02:04.400
I'm looking at my notes.
04:02:04.400 --> 04:02:06.167
Okay, anyway there were
only two, one in the afternoon,
04:02:06.167 --> 04:02:10.820
one in the evening and then
on following day, July 1st,
04:02:10.820 --> 04:02:13.330
again at 1:00 PM and 6:00 PM,
04:02:13.330 --> 04:02:16.590
but all of these things are
gonna be on our website.
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They already are our website.
04:02:19.530 --> 04:02:24.530
I'm sorry, 2:00 PM, (laughs)
2:00 PM and 6:00 PM,
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June 30th and July 1st.
04:02:27.440 --> 04:02:30.670
Southern California Edison,
fall participation hearing,
04:02:30.670 --> 04:02:35.320
opportunities, it will
be an online effort
04:02:35.320 --> 04:02:37.713
where Judge Steibert and I,
04:02:40.811 --> 04:02:45.630
Judge McKinney and I will be seeing live
04:02:45.630 --> 04:02:48.350
and then we will have as many
people who want to talk to us
04:02:48.350 --> 04:02:51.370
and comments here as possible.
04:02:51.370 --> 04:02:56.370
It can be found at cpuc.ca.gov/pph.
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Okay then finally, to wrap up,
04:02:58.010 --> 04:03:02.493
I just wanted to say thank
you to Justin Regnier,
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who has been my energy advisor
04:03:06.870 --> 04:03:09.003
on energy and transportation issues,
04:03:09.970 --> 04:03:13.090
pretty much all of the rail crossings,
04:03:13.090 --> 04:03:15.070
likely rail and so forth.
04:03:15.070 --> 04:03:18.310
Justin has advised me on those,
04:03:18.310 --> 04:03:20.730
worked with our judges on those.
04:03:20.730 --> 04:03:23.560
And prior to state service,
04:03:23.560 --> 04:03:25.510
Justin was a design engineer
04:03:25.510 --> 04:03:29.360
in the semiconductor,
biotech, and HVAC industries
04:03:29.360 --> 04:03:30.193
as well as being
04:03:30.193 --> 04:03:34.190
a commercial building
Commissioning engineer.
04:03:34.190 --> 04:03:35.417
He spent a number of years
04:03:35.417 --> 04:03:38.120
at the California Energy Commission
04:03:38.120 --> 04:03:42.910
working on existing building
energy efficiency programs
04:03:43.948 --> 04:03:45.920
and then,
04:03:45.920 --> 04:03:48.520
and also on transportation
electrification projects.
04:03:49.400 --> 04:03:53.460
And then came to the
CPUC's energy division,
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spent not quite two years
there before coming to my office.
04:03:58.040 --> 04:04:02.700
Now he's returning back to
where he was pretty much before,
04:04:02.700 --> 04:04:06.410
probably new things that
he's got to take care of,
04:04:06.410 --> 04:04:09.403
all our electrical
interconnection and reliability,
04:04:10.410 --> 04:04:15.410
he'll be working in
Bruce Kaneshiro's group.
04:04:16.030 --> 04:04:19.950
And so, during these past months
04:04:19.950 --> 04:04:23.080
that Justin has been an advisor to me,
04:04:23.080 --> 04:04:26.140
he has worked on the
microgrids proceedings,
04:04:26.140 --> 04:04:31.140
the Edison, GRC, all of the
rail crossings and much more.
04:04:31.860 --> 04:04:35.300
And I, what I'd like to
believe is that he is now taking
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that extensive Commission
wide experience back with him
04:04:39.720 --> 04:04:41.720
to the energy division,
04:04:41.720 --> 04:04:44.800
hopefully with some new
insights, experience and knowledge.
04:04:44.800 --> 04:04:49.140
So, we do congratulate
Justin and wish him the best.
04:04:49.140 --> 04:04:49.973
Thank you.
04:04:50.810 --> 04:04:53.367
Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma
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for a very busy schedule that you have
04:04:56.550 --> 04:04:59.190
and best wishes to Justin, again,
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glad he is staying
within the PUC family.
04:05:02.700 --> 04:05:04.076
That's wonderful.
(computer notification rings)
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Any final comments
from the Commissioners?
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Okay. Seeing none, this
public meeting is now adjourned.